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Speaker 3:
[00:26] Hi there, we're trying to get to the state fairgrounds.
Speaker 4:
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Speaker 1:
[01:32] What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of The Viall Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, and I am with my wife, Ish. She is at our different location. She's in a different room. I miss you.
Speaker 3:
[01:50] Is this hard for you?
Speaker 1:
[01:52] I'm just not sure how we articulate this. I sound like Wes now. I'm like, I just, I don't know.
Speaker 6:
[01:56] Your secondary location.
Speaker 3:
[01:58] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[01:59] Now she's in our satellite studio, and I'm here in Los Angeles by myself.
Speaker 3:
[02:04] Excuse you. Well, not by yourself.
Speaker 6:
[02:06] Yeah, that felt really good to hear.
Speaker 3:
[02:07] Are we humans? Am I here?
Speaker 2:
[02:11] They want to be seen.
Speaker 1:
[02:12] Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[02:13] Emotionally.
Speaker 3:
[02:14] Can you see me?
Speaker 1:
[02:14] Emotionally, like Ciara.
Speaker 2:
[02:17] Can you see me?
Speaker 7:
[02:18] I can see you.
Speaker 1:
[02:19] Can you see me?
Speaker 3:
[02:19] OK, just making sure.
Speaker 6:
[02:20] Yeah, I see you.
Speaker 1:
[02:21] Ciara Robinson is back joining us in studio, and Mary is also here.
Speaker 6:
[02:27] Yeah, I am.
Speaker 1:
[02:29] And if you haven't seen it already, here is a trailer for both part one and part two of the Temptation Island reunion. Coming up on the two part reunion for Temptation Island season two.
Speaker 8:
[02:43] You good? You good?
Speaker 4:
[02:44] Let it out.
Speaker 9:
[02:45] I don't count that because I cheated on her.
Speaker 2:
[02:46] Oh.
Speaker 7:
[02:50] I just wanted to chat.
Speaker 4:
[02:51] You didn't sound like a chat, shy ass.
Speaker 2:
[02:52] I just wanted to chat.
Speaker 5:
[02:54] Alcohol is honestly what fucking killed me. That's not who you are and we all know that that's not who you are.
Speaker 1:
[03:00] But what are these little lies?
Speaker 5:
[03:02] I'm thinking of one right now. Which one are you thinking of?
Speaker 7:
[03:06] He told me, if we don't go on the show, I'll think about it for the rest of my life.
Speaker 9:
[03:10] This is my first real actual girlfriend.
Speaker 2:
[03:13] Nick got a DM from-
Speaker 8:
[03:16] Oh my God.
Speaker 5:
[03:16] I see him and I love him. It was just like a bad cycle and it needed to be broken, but it was breaking me.
Speaker 7:
[03:23] I know he loves me wholeheartedly without a doubt.
Speaker 1:
[03:25] Is there any part of you that has just a little bit of hope?
Speaker 7:
[03:30] The main takeaway for us is, I feel way more secure now, and that's what's made everything so much better for us.
Speaker 2:
[03:36] So what were your intentions?
Speaker 1:
[03:37] What did you want to say?
Speaker 7:
[03:38] What the fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 9:
[03:39] You can't speak to women like you would a guy.
Speaker 4:
[03:43] I let the manipulation get to me, I let people's words get to me.
Speaker 2:
[03:46] Why did you get so drunk?
Speaker 7:
[03:47] I hated it there.
Speaker 10:
[03:49] Looks bad when you see Cheyenne getting fucked.
Speaker 7:
[03:51] Can we stop?
Speaker 5:
[03:52] We were together and then broke up and...
Speaker 6:
[03:55] No, wait, wait, wait. As a man, my ego is like a little shot.
Speaker 5:
[03:59] I'm like...
Speaker 1:
[03:59] They didn't put this scene, I pushed a hole in the wall.
Speaker 6:
[04:01] You're good.
Speaker 5:
[04:02] No, it's not that I'm good.
Speaker 8:
[04:04] I'm speaking the fucking truth.
Speaker 1:
[04:09] Well, like we said, lots of drama, so you do not miss it. Part one dropped yesterday night and part two drops tomorrow night, so be sure to check it out. Also, don't forget, The Viall Files Plus is ad free. Where you can get all your favorite Viall Files episodes ad free. In addition to that, we have your Reality Recap Deep Dives, where we dive deep into shows like Summer House, The Valley, all the sometimes the shows we didn't get to talk about this week because we're so balls deep in.
Speaker 7:
[04:40] Summer House deep.
Speaker 1:
[04:41] Yeah. We also have your Pop Extra, where we talk about some of your favorite pop culture topics and explore those conversations, as well as your Update Plus, all your favorite updates from your favorite Ask Nick call. So be sure to check that out. Just go to viallfiles.com to sign up and you'll be glad that you did. Lots to dive into, very diabolical episode of Summer House last night. It almost feels like-
Speaker 2:
[05:04] Guys, it wasn't that deep, I didn't feel like.
Speaker 3:
[05:07] Are you joking?
Speaker 2:
[05:09] Andy posted being like, guys, watch this with one eye open.
Speaker 1:
[05:14] I don't know, we needed one eye open. It was just more-
Speaker 3:
[05:17] Totally.
Speaker 6:
[05:18] It was just mouth agape.
Speaker 1:
[05:19] Heavy.
Speaker 3:
[05:19] It was just like the Amanda, Sierra pep talk in the beginning, the talk with West at the end, and then it's like, and y'all still? This is crazy.
Speaker 2:
[05:28] I guess just the Amanda getting cock-blocking West and sitting on the daybed and him rubbing her head. That felt more jaw-dropping to me. Really?
Speaker 3:
[05:40] Because you know the intimacy.
Speaker 2:
[05:41] Amanda this whole time has been there for Sierra. I'm not shocked that she's there for Sierra. She's been doing that. The conversation between Sierra and West was definitely interesting to hear and was sad to see Sierra crying, being like, I just want my best friend back, and then hugging and then-
Speaker 1:
[06:02] Okay, well, we will get all into it.
Speaker 3:
[06:07] Of course, of course, yes, yes, yes. Passion.
Speaker 1:
[06:09] There's a lot of passion here. We also have maybe some new news that comes to the world of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and Taylor Franke-Paul and possibly The Bachelorette. On the heels of the recent court decisions last week about no further chargers being pressed, it's not too surprising that there's talk about things moving forward, and it seemed like a lot of people producing these shows are really kind of waiting for this potential court date. It seems still unclear. There are rumors that The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is going to pick up filming and finish filming season five. The suggestion was implying that they were going to do it without Dakota and Taylor Frankie Paul, but Taylor is up in the comments suggesting that might not be the case. So I don't know if any of these, I mean, she is replying to like bloggers.
Speaker 6:
[06:58] Well, there was a People article. A People article? Yeah, it was People Magazine posted The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives to resume season five production without Taylor Frankie Paul and Dakota Mortenson. And then Taylor replied on Instagram saying, interesting, that's not the call I got. And a blog had posted Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the same thing, and she said not what I was told.
Speaker 1:
[07:20] Who did people source? Like, did they say, like, did they reference an insider?
Speaker 6:
[07:25] Let me double check.
Speaker 1:
[07:26] Or is people like reporting on, like on the blogs? Because it used to be like, you know, they would need to have some kind of source. Sometimes lately, the tabloids are like, people on Reddit are talking about this.
Speaker 3:
[07:39] A friend of a source of a friend of a source.
Speaker 6:
[07:41] Wait, now there's an article from 49 minutes ago that says, Taylor Frankie Paul chose not to resume filming Mormon Wives following domestic abuse investigations exclusive source.
Speaker 2:
[07:52] Which I feel like that's also probably not the call she got.
Speaker 6:
[07:56] A source close to Paul.
Speaker 1:
[07:58] A source close to Paul.
Speaker 6:
[08:00] That she has the option to return.
Speaker 1:
[08:02] Okay. So it sounds like Taylor has the option and maybe she's opting to not right now.
Speaker 6:
[08:09] It says she's receiving strong support. This is the source. She's receiving strong support from the cast and producers, but is focusing on her kids and mental health issues and recovery from an abusive relationship. She's doing great and realizing how abusive her relationship actually was. Makes sense if she doesn't want to come back to filming in the moment of processing a lot of trauma and stuff.
Speaker 1:
[08:30] For sure.
Speaker 6:
[08:30] It's been a lot for her.
Speaker 3:
[08:31] Have any of the other Mormon wives spoken out to show some form of support afterwards? Because I know that Macy commented on something that Taylor posted and she got eaten alive in the comments.
Speaker 1:
[08:41] Did she?
Speaker 3:
[08:42] Just like, oh, now you want to come. Once Taylor was absolved of whatever charges or accusations, she commented something and everybody underneath were like, oh, now you want to show up. Now you're going to comment. I don't even know if that comment is still there.
Speaker 2:
[08:54] I saw Jen post like a TikTok reel of, I think it was her, Jesse, and maybe Macy. I'm not remembering if it was Macy or Makayla, but it was basically like, we're all going through the same stuff. Ours is just like on television. Like we're all humans, we're all going through things. Ours just happens to be like shown on television.
Speaker 1:
[09:18] Was she aligning with Taylor when she says we? Or was she comparing herself to Taylor and is saying like, I know Taylor's going through stuff, but we all also have stuff.
Speaker 3:
[09:29] I was gonna say like a call for grace.
Speaker 2:
[09:30] I think that.
Speaker 6:
[09:31] I think we all think that's. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[09:34] She was saying what about me? Basically?
Speaker 2:
[09:37] I don't think it was like a what about me.
Speaker 1:
[09:39] That sounds kind of like a what about me.
Speaker 2:
[09:41] I think it was like a hey, we're all going through, maybe like she's getting some hate that we're not aware of and she's like, guys, chill, we're all going through stuff and like.
Speaker 1:
[09:51] I mean, that's not untrue.
Speaker 6:
[09:53] Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day.
Speaker 2:
[09:54] This is what it is. It's her, Jesse and Macy, we're doing our best, just like you, it just happens to be on reality TV and online for millions to see. Her caption is, we're all just humans living for the first time. And the girls are kind of like kindness, Macy commented, kindness goes a long way. Michaela put clapping emojis, so they must be.
Speaker 3:
[10:15] I just think it's kind of a weird timing to be like kind of like we're all going through stuff where I'm like I think people are upset with them because it was like they instantly took a side and kind of distanced themselves from Taylor, come to find out that Taylor is actually the victim of the situation. And so then it's like, oh, sorry, we stopped showing support and we made these weird ass messages to be like we were distancing ourselves and being like, well, we're just like everything.
Speaker 1:
[10:38] Did anyone distance themselves?
Speaker 3:
[10:40] Layla and Miranda, I'm pretty positive, posted in their stories putting like there's more that Jay said something about like the abuse doesn't end there.
Speaker 1:
[10:48] Layla was like, I can no longer stay silent, which was a very heavy, it was, you know.
Speaker 6:
[10:54] Anytime you can no longer stay silent.
Speaker 1:
[10:56] Which also, by the way, is kind of an incriminating thing to say, because it's like, oh, so you were staying silent.
Speaker 6:
[11:02] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[11:02] So you knew. What did you know?
Speaker 3:
[11:04] So I'm like on Taylor's behalf, I'm kind of like, if I went through all of that and had so many scars just recently exposed to the public, like and then these people weren't defending me or having my back until I was absolved of said accusations, I think I would have a hard time wanting to go back and film with them too.
Speaker 6:
[11:20] You said these people.
Speaker 3:
[11:21] These people.
Speaker 6:
[11:22] These people.
Speaker 1:
[11:23] I do think it's funny when we'll get in the Summer House, but I thought it was very interesting. Of all the interesting things that we saw in the episode, there's so much to talk about, but something maybe only I pick up on. When Sierra and Wes were talking about just them responding to fan attention, he was like, it almost makes me feel like I resent you. I thought that was refreshing to hear, because it's the acknowledgement that in this space that we talk about, when we talk about these shows and the Friends Online, that the people, like the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives or the cast of Summer House, they're not immune to be influenced by fans, to read the comments and then have that be confusing to even how you feel about a situation, and to know what's right or wrong, how to respond when you're so deep in to the bubble that is these worlds. It is kind of fascinating to see. I mean, for the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, I mean, I don't think they really know how to respond to the situation. And I do think there are, I don't think there is a black or white, like I think Taylor is a victim in this situation. I think it's also, it could be possible that she has some things to work on, you know, and that, you know, there's some things that maybe she's done, that her, maybe her peers don't agree with, and they're trying to find the balance of how to say that, and not knowing what to do.
Speaker 3:
[12:47] And to your point where I'm like, cause even Amanda said that about Kyle this season, I think, when she was like, I don't know what's my opinion versus what's the internet's opinion. So I'm sure that a lot of that, and the thing about the internet is that it's like, as soon as something drops, it's like everybody wants you to take a side instantly, what's your opinion, have a hot take. And it's like, I feel like if you're immediately involved, that's when you should be the one that's like stepping back, being like, by all means, you guys work it out, but like, let me work it out with the real people, not let the internet create a narrative for me that I now have to denounce or have to make a statement about because like, what's the fucking point? Yeah, you're not gonna believe it anyways.
Speaker 1:
[13:24] Well, we do have a great episode lined up for you, lots to get into, all the Summer House shenanigans. West has spoken on his podcast, Jesse Soloman went on Watch One Happens Live, and boy, did he spill some tea, just kind of listed off all the things from his point of view, and he really showed up. And obviously we have the Summer House episode, lots of crazy things going on in that episode. We also have Jeremiah Brown and Iris Kendo, the stars from Love Island Season 7, and also two of the new stars from the Beyond the Villa Season 2. What are they doing beyond the villa? Anyways, it'll be great to catch up with Jeremiah and Iris. We had some great chats with both of them during their seasons of Season 7, and it'll be great to see where are they now, what's going on in their lives. That is all this episode. Also don't forget that part one of Temptation Island Reunion Season 2 is out and available to listen or watch. If you are listening to the episode, be sure to check out the extended video version that you can find exclusively on The Viall Files on YouTube. Part two, which is even juicier than part one, drops tomorrow, and you can see it audio drops at the same time as audio always does. It's waiting for you on your commute to work or at wherever you're doing during the day. But if you want to watch the exclusive part two version with all the tea, that is tonight at 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific on YouTube Premiere. So be sure to check that out. Do you want to give me a talk about my thumbs? No thumbs?
Speaker 2:
[14:51] Your thumbs?
Speaker 1:
[14:52] Thumbs?
Speaker 2:
[14:53] Divorce gate part two? Not to do two episodes back to back complaining, because I don't complain often. You know me, guys. I'm not a complainer. I'm like a go with the flow. Yeah, totally glass half full.
Speaker 1:
[15:09] I think she's...
Speaker 3:
[15:11] Watch yourself, counselor.
Speaker 2:
[15:12] We actually didn't ask what you thought.
Speaker 6:
[15:14] I just heard Larry David exit your body right now, and that might be a sign to take a step back.
Speaker 2:
[15:21] Yeah. Sierra, you weren't here on Tuesday's episode, but I shared a story about how I sat down on our couch to snuggle up with Nick and watch a movie and sat on the couch in his chewed up gum that he set on a couch cushion.
Speaker 3:
[15:39] Jail immediately wiped. Why, Nick?
Speaker 6:
[15:42] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[15:43] So that's what happened on Tuesday. I can't articulate my thoughts right now. I'm having a hard time and I just want you to know I'm sad.
Speaker 3:
[15:50] We've got Mr. East Nick Wilson in the building.
Speaker 6:
[15:52] And then you just want your best friend back.
Speaker 1:
[15:56] I just want to be your best friend.
Speaker 2:
[15:58] And then this past weekend, I buy those little disposable film cameras off Amazon, trying to capture some moments. They just make everything look a little bit more special. You know? And so I was like, Nick, we've been filling out this camera. And I'm like, Nick, there's like a couple more photos left in this. Can you take some of me and River on the couch? And so he's taking a picture and I'm like, I can see like your knuckles are in front of the lens. And he's like trying to move them. And I'm like, they're still there. And then he gets mad at me. And he's like, you know what? I'm not taking any more photos of you. My fingers aren't in front of it. This is ridiculous. Like seriously, leave me alone. I'm just saying. It was like, he was like pissed off that I had to say his fingers were in the way. He's like, they're not. They're not. What are you talking about? They're not. Anyway, so I get the camera. I get all the photos developed. Tell me why every single photo of me and River, there is a big fat thumb in the top corner. Every single one.
Speaker 3:
[17:08] I fear I know what happened. Is that I think that he's used to like normal cameras where, you know, your finger in front of the lens, you see it where on a disposable, it's a viewfinder.
Speaker 2:
[17:20] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[17:20] So if your finger is viewfinder.
Speaker 6:
[17:22] Oh my God, Nick.
Speaker 2:
[17:24] Yeah. But you think he's so old, he would understand like the viewfinder.
Speaker 6:
[17:28] It's like, weren't you around when they invented these?
Speaker 2:
[17:32] Right? Like, isn't this your era? Shouldn't you be like a professional specialty in this?
Speaker 3:
[17:37] You tested the beta model.
Speaker 1:
[17:39] I, you know.
Speaker 6:
[17:40] You were posting digital camera photo dumps on Facebook, I bet.
Speaker 1:
[17:43] I'm all thumbs.
Speaker 2:
[17:44] I can't.
Speaker 1:
[17:46] Which is, I have a bit of photography bug in me. I have some nice cameras. I can take, you know, part of my artistic side is I'm a fairly like amateur for sure. But I can take some nice amateur headshots of people, like some portraits.
Speaker 2:
[18:02] Just not of his wife and of his child.
Speaker 6:
[18:05] It's also like it's a headshot and a thumb shot.
Speaker 1:
[18:07] I need a high powered camera.
Speaker 3:
[18:08] That's what I was going to say. It's too cheap for you.
Speaker 1:
[18:11] It's so small.
Speaker 2:
[18:13] But it's so unfortunate because like all of the ones of Nick and River are like magical. Like I capture, like it's them. They're magical. It's them making pancakes in the morning and Nick like whisking and River like holding the measuring cup. And then it's them cooking dinner and she's like peeling the kale and her tongue's out and Nick's smiling. Or them chasing each other in the backyard. Like these are cinematic masterpieces and all of mine are ruined by a thumb. Damn. And he tells me I can crop them. That was his response. Well, you can crop them. I was like, you can't crop them.
Speaker 1:
[18:51] I thought it was a step in the right direction because the last time I did this, the thumb was so bad that it just.
Speaker 3:
[18:58] He covered heads and faces.
Speaker 1:
[18:59] It couldn't focus. It didn't. It completely didn't turn out. It wasn't even like you didn't even know who was in the photo. Here, it was like, oh, what a really beautiful picture of Natalie and my daughter. And then there's a thumb.
Speaker 6:
[19:13] Natalie, what you should do is you should make like a little collage and just cut his thumb out of all of them. And then one page is like the photos.
Speaker 1:
[19:20] I think I can fix it.
Speaker 6:
[19:21] And then the other page is just his thumb.
Speaker 2:
[19:23] That's what Nick tried to say. Nick tried to say collage it. And I'm like, no, I'm an adult. I'm putting them in frames and like putting them around our house or on our walls. They don't make a like four by six that's been chopped up frame.
Speaker 1:
[19:38] Listen, I recognize my mistake.
Speaker 2:
[19:40] I took accountability.
Speaker 1:
[19:41] I said I was sorry and I was sorry. I got mad and you were right and I will do better. I will, I will. There is a path. We have many more memories hopefully to get to capture.
Speaker 2:
[19:51] That's what he said. There's so many more moments to capture.
Speaker 3:
[19:55] Don't you go back home without another disposable camera.
Speaker 1:
[19:57] Oh, I don't. Where do you buy them?
Speaker 6:
[20:00] CVS.
Speaker 3:
[20:01] Amazon. Amazon.
Speaker 6:
[20:02] Amazon, Walgreens. Urban Outfitters now.
Speaker 3:
[20:06] I love that you just admitted to being a repeat offender.
Speaker 2:
[20:11] No, it's crazy.
Speaker 3:
[20:13] So this happened last time. Fix it.
Speaker 1:
[20:17] I really, really.
Speaker 3:
[20:18] Fix it.
Speaker 1:
[20:19] I really, really didn't know.
Speaker 3:
[20:20] All right.
Speaker 1:
[20:20] Well, let's dive in to the Westgate continues. It's the drama is great. I mean, what do you want me to say? I'm sad there are sad people, but like let's be we love this shit. Come on, let's not pretend that we're not fully engaged and entertained. And obviously, like overreacting to an extent of like people we don't know in real life. Yeah. I mean, like, come on, you know, and it's.
Speaker 3:
[20:46] I just think it's like, it's just interesting kind of not to compare to Scandival because it's not a comparison, but it's like watching the episodes with a completely different lens in a different perspective, that it's like knowing what we know now. It does obviously make a lot more things seem a lot more insidious than they probably actually were. But then also there are certain things that stick out that we're like, wow, I would never have thought twice about that.
Speaker 1:
[21:08] I think we should also just stop pretending that like the reason why it's so popular and everyone's talking about it is because it's so relatable. It is. And like maybe the details of the story are unique and like it's certainly heavy because of the friend group. But like again, we know what it's like to have feel lied to and betrayed by people we romantically are invested in. Certainly nowadays, everyone is in these situationships that where you blur the lines of like, what are we, are we not something and things like that. They have KJ and Dara like defining a relationship. I don't know how long they've been dating at this point in the show, but the way the entire cast acted is like they eloped to Vegas and got married.
Speaker 6:
[21:50] Well, KJ said he had been hurt in the past and had gone into relationships very quickly before, so he was taking his time. It seems that they-
Speaker 1:
[21:57] I get it. But like, I mean, dating in 2026 is that where it's just now everyone's just like, you can break up. It's boyfriend and girlfriend stuff. And like the opposite is everyone kind of treading water. And like, you know, there's a difference between like taking it slow and-
Speaker 6:
[22:13] Communicating.
Speaker 1:
[22:15] Well, there's a difference between taking it slow and staying in the same place and calling it progress, just because time has passed. And I think a lot of people today in dating and situationships, like taking it slow means literally not advancing to the next step. It's just like, what is the next step?
Speaker 3:
[22:31] You know, I'm so confused about situationships genuinely because I'm like, as I've been seeing, playing out on many Bravo shows, I'm like, it just seems like you still gotta break up. So why are we so avoided of having a label when you still have to go through the tough separation of friends?
Speaker 1:
[22:47] That's a great point.
Speaker 3:
[22:48] I'm just like, you're not skipping anything. You guys just complicated shit. Now you have to have even more weirder closure conversations because you're not boyfriend and girlfriend, but we're still technically friends that hook up, but we're not gonna hook up anymore. But we have the same friend group. You just complicated your own shit.
Speaker 6:
[23:01] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[23:02] West went on his podcast and gave us an update from his perspective, and he wanted everyone to know that, don't worry, everyone was single.
Speaker 6:
[23:13] And him and Sophie Cunningham really...
Speaker 1:
[23:16] Why do you hate her so much?
Speaker 6:
[23:17] Oh, it's just because it's just funny that he's on a podcast with Sophie Cunningham.
Speaker 1:
[23:22] He's a sports journalist? She's in sports?
Speaker 6:
[23:24] I know, but she's like, it's funny that like of all the WNBA players, he chose like the one that the people hate the most. Anyway, that's all.
Speaker 2:
[23:32] What's crazy to me is that he admitted to texting his... What did she say? She asked if like he had reached out to any of his friends and he said that he hadn't heard back from a lot of them or whatever, which he understands.
Speaker 1:
[23:48] Well, according to Jesse, didn't reach out to Jesse.
Speaker 2:
[23:50] But then Jesse on Watch What Happens Live says that he has not heard from him, which I'm like... And KJ also tweeted being like haven't heard from him. So this is interesting. So like who did you text?
Speaker 1:
[24:03] Who did you text?
Speaker 2:
[24:03] If not Jesse, your best friend, and KJ, Sierra. You know who he texted?
Speaker 3:
[24:09] He texted Mia because she was on Watch What Happens Live and she was like, I got a text from West. I have not yet to respond. I don't know what to say to him. But I'm like, Mia?
Speaker 1:
[24:19] Mia?
Speaker 3:
[24:19] Mia's Sierra's best friend. Like why are you not texting KJ, your best friend?
Speaker 1:
[24:23] That makes sense to me, honestly. Because I think he knows that Sierra is good friend with Mia. And to whatever degree that, I don't know. I don't think Jesse thinks that, I don't want to speak for West. I don't know.
Speaker 2:
[24:37] He's like, I've been texting, he's like, I've been texting Amanda from the house a lot. We text all the time.
Speaker 1:
[24:43] Well, the fact that he was like, just so you know, as if he felt like it was going to really clear the air when he said everyone was single. And I know like everyone's speculating, you know, when did this start? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But like, to me, it really doesn't matter. That part doesn't matter because that only matters in the context, the only person who really should care is Kyle, because like, man and Kyle are technically, I think still divorced, but potentially, they were the ones in a relationship. But like, again, if the portrayal of Kyle is accurate, and if Kyle, this is the type of husband he's been to Amanda, again, not to condone Amanda's actions. But like, it makes sense why someone in Amanda's position would make a mistake or make a choice that she did, where in a friend group that is so close to like, high school dynamics, that she would, what are you shaking your head for?
Speaker 3:
[25:35] I can't. I'm like, I'm sorry, but like.
Speaker 1:
[25:37] You can't make sense of it?
Speaker 3:
[25:38] No, I'm like.
Speaker 1:
[25:38] You can't at least connect the dots.
Speaker 3:
[25:39] Nope, I will not give her any grace on the West Wilson of it all. Like, no, watching you sit there and tell her.
Speaker 1:
[25:45] No, no, forget everything about, like, let's say, let's take Ciara out of the equation for a second. Let's say, I'm just talking about Amanda right now. I am just saying, like, in terms of, was Amanda in a relationship? Like, was everyone single? That's why, like, it doesn't matter, because we care most about Ciara's feelings. And as it relates to Ciara, Amanda's relationship status is kind of irrelevant, right, because of the betrayal. It only relates to Kyle, because he was the one married. And I'm just saying, if this story was just about Amanda, let's say Amanda started dating another, I don't know, like, maybe it was Amanda being speculated that she was dating Ben or something. I don't know. And it had nothing to do with West and Ciara hooking up. We would still be talking about this, but we would care far less, because, like, all I'm saying is that Amanda dating someone who's close to Kyle to me makes sense in a fact. If she is someone who spent the past 10 years not feeling seen or validated, I'm not saying it's a smart decision. I'm not saying it's a healthy decision, but it just makes sense that someone in her position would do something to almost get a reaction from her husband who hasn't ever really reacted in a way. It's not grace. I'm just connecting the dots.
Speaker 3:
[27:01] I mean, that sounds kind of like toxic as fuck, though, because I'm like, okay, so you want to hook up with his best friend to like what? Be like, you treated me like shit from 10 years versus just leaving. Like I just like, in my head, like there's nothing that really condones that behavior, let alone.
Speaker 1:
[27:13] I'm not condoning it.
Speaker 3:
[27:14] I'm not saying you are. I'm just saying that's just like my wording where I'm just like, for me, I'm like, regardless, because Kyle's the one that she's running to, having Kyle do interviews being like, Amanda's going to clear it up at the reunion. Amanda, like Amanda didn't do, like having Amanda's back and trying to like fully put everything onto West, where I'm like, so if you're still going to be doing that and then going to the game and making out with him and doing all of this shit, like I'm just like, you don't give a fuck about Kyle's feelings, and you don't have to give a fuck about Kyle's feelings. But however, the betrayal there is just so many sided that I'm like, if you take Sierra to the equation, it's still fucked up that you're hooking up with one of your husband's close friends. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[27:49] But I'm just saying, if Amanda were my daughter, I wouldn't be like, yeah, cool. Like, yeah, good luck, you too. But I would at least understand how she got there, whether I agreed with the decision or not. I mean, people can do things where you go, I can't even comprehend how you got here and how you made the decision. All I'm saying is, I can connect the dots where I can be like, I don't agree with it, doesn't seem like a smart decision, don't think it's going to last, and kind of shitty and toxic. But I get it. I get how she got here. If all we were talking about, I'm just saying, I would have empathy.
Speaker 6:
[28:29] I'm curious what you guys think about this, because I feel like my issue with the way Amanda is moving throughout this right now is, first off, she's not really, she's not, for lack of a better term, standing on business with it. She is kind of positioning, she is letting the men around her position her as the actual victim in this situation, which bothers me because she's not. She made the decision, she is a grown ass woman who has autonomy over herself. She did that because she wanted to.
Speaker 3:
[29:02] Yes.
Speaker 6:
[29:03] Okay, cool, whatever.
Speaker 3:
[29:05] Then own it.
Speaker 6:
[29:06] Exactly, own it, lean into it. Be like, yeah, I did it. Don't let West Wilson fight your battles. Don't let your fucking ex-husband fight your battles. This is all to say, I don't know what she's going to say at reunion. She could do it on reunion, but the way she's going out with the scarf over her head, she's at the Yankees game with West.
Speaker 3:
[29:24] Posting a photo of her dog, but then being like, hey, if you see me outside, just know it's really weighing on me, and then being like, happy hour.
Speaker 6:
[29:30] Yeah, and I'm not saying-
Speaker 3:
[29:31] Yankees game.
Speaker 6:
[29:32] It's fucked up that people are making death threats to her and saying awful things online. No one should have that happen to them. But again, it's just like, you're not the only one who is being cyberbullied online, and it's the way that West and Kyle are pretending, Amanda's going through the worst thing anyone has ever gone through in their entire life. It's like, no, she's not. She made a messy relationship, Joyce, and she's dealing with the consequences of her actions that she made.
Speaker 3:
[29:59] But she's hiding from taking responsibility of it, letting everyone else speak for her, and don't worry, she'll speak at Reunion. But it's like, you're outside, you're fine.
Speaker 1:
[30:06] She posted on Instagram.
Speaker 3:
[30:07] What did she post?
Speaker 1:
[30:09] I mean, there's a little bit of like, damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Speaker 3:
[30:13] But to Mary's point, then own it. If you guys are going to go to the Yankees game, stop having these narratives being like, yeah, I'm just really sad for Amanda, then speak up. Say something. You don't mind posting on your story.
Speaker 2:
[30:23] Also, she could go on it, she could have the plaits. No, that is so true. Because it is 100% West going on his podcast and being like, I just wish people would be mean to me and not Amanda. She's just having such a hard time.
Speaker 1:
[30:40] No, see, that's the bullshit. Watching this past episode, it reinforced what I was talking about on Tuesday's episode about weak men. That scene between West and Ciara, not the ending scene, which was heavy enough, but the first time in the bedroom where he's just like, I don't have a hard time articulating. By the way, on his podcast, he's wearing the beanie and he has the hoodie. He's just like, I'm getting a chance to do this.
Speaker 2:
[31:08] Which is just bullshit because it is bullshit because he was just at the Yankees game posting all of his guy friends. He goes to the bars with Amanda, posts all of his guy friends. It's like yeah, and I said this on Tuesday's episode, if y'all are gonna go out, if y'all are gonna do this public shit, then do it. Do it with your whole fucking chest. Like to Sierra and Mary's point, don't get on Instagram and be like, guys, this is just like weighing on me a lot, but I have to get outside for my mental health. It's like, okay, cool, get outside for your mental health, but also be like-
Speaker 6:
[31:40] Go on a hike.
Speaker 3:
[31:41] Take a Pilates class.
Speaker 2:
[31:42] Here's me and West. Yeah. Here's me and West, guys, at West Wilson. We're together. He he ha ha. Lean in. Show us that y'all are going to do it. Don't hide and not post each other and wear your scarf.
Speaker 1:
[31:56] He weaponizes his weakness and plays this whole sad boy. He literally is telling Sarah in this episode where she's crying. She is saying, and again, Sarah is not my friend. I wasn't in a situation with her. I just watch her on TV. Sometimes when I watch these shows, I'm taking care of my daughter and talking to my wife and have a million things going on. And even though I'm like paying attention to like 60%, I know that Sierra Miller, when it comes to choosing her relationships, wants to build a friendship. And that friendship is super important to her and meaningful. And that is the start for her emotional journey. She has communicated this at nauseam to like anyone who will listen, including, I imagine, West, the person she claims or says to him, like you were one of my best friends, and I don't say that easily. And so she is saying this. This is like a profession of love, in a way. This is like she is trying to articulate how serious her feelings are. And this guy is just like, it just makes me sad. And I don't know how to not be friends with you. And it's just like, bro, you know what she is saying, and you are making yourself to be the victim. Your sadness, your feelings, and you are giving this person such false hope. And the thing about like, I don't know how to do that, and shit like that, and I can be best friends tomorrow. She is taking it as you finally taking her seriously and how she is communicating it. And again, at some point, especially when you are an adult man, it's not like confusion. It's just a choice. You are just making a choice to live in this whole like, oh, I don't know what to do. And again, it's a bit because West, in his mind, and he's telling himself like, I've made it very clear to Ciara. You know, like, I'm not ready to date. I don't really know. I just, I want to be friends. But like, and he is pretending that she hasn't articulated to him very clearly what she wants out of a romantic relationship. And again, he plays the whole like, sad boy narrative. And like, I don't think he's stupid. You know, he's a 30 year old man. You know, like at some point, you have to give a shit about the feelings of the people you say you claim to care about. I mean, and if you don't, like it's just a choice. And so like, it's just like, it's a bit.
Speaker 3:
[34:21] Can I ask you when, like, if you and Natalie like get into it or something, like how do you apologize?
Speaker 1:
[34:27] Well, yesterday on the phone, she was talking at my thumb. I was just like, you're right. I'm absolutely sorry. I got mad and you were right. I got defensive and you were right and I will do better. And we have many more memories to get my thumb out of the equation.
Speaker 3:
[34:43] Hello, class. I have a lesson for you. That is called a sincere apology. Do you see how taking accountability, how it wasn't, I feel this way and my feelings were hurt. It was, hey, I upset you. I took something out on you and that's my bad. And I, you were right.
Speaker 1:
[34:58] Yeah. West is the, oh, I feel bad for fucking up.
Speaker 3:
[35:03] And it really hurts me.
Speaker 1:
[35:04] I'm sad about this.
Speaker 3:
[35:07] Should I be apologizing to fucking you?
Speaker 1:
[35:09] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[35:10] Like. And then the way I've just like, anytime that I'm like professing how sorry I am, like sorry is a big thing. Like where it's just like, I am so incredibly sorry. The way that he did it twice when he walked in there, the second one was just like, what the fuck was that when she was on FaceTime with Amanda? But it was just like, he just goes, listen, I feel bad. It hurts me that I did that to you. I apologize. And I'm just like, this is-
Speaker 1:
[35:33] I'm sad. I'm sad. I'm sad.
Speaker 2:
[35:35] When people say, I apologize over I'm sorry, I'm like, that's a cop out.
Speaker 3:
[35:40] Thank you.
Speaker 2:
[35:41] That's like when I was, I don't know, 10 years old fighting with my brother and my mom, I was like, you have to say sorry. Say sorry right now. Say sorry right now. I'd be like, I apologize, Jackson. It was like my way of getting out of saying I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:
[35:55] Literally, because if somebody asks you, did you apologize? Yes, I did. Yes, I did. I apologized.
Speaker 6:
[36:00] Can I ask maybe a loaded question? For sure. I was the kid who I would fuck up at home, like whatever, my mom would get mad at me and I would be like, I am so sorry. I'm the first person to be like, I'm so sorry, I'm so, so, so, so, so sorry. Then here's what my mom would hit me back with, it's just words.
Speaker 3:
[36:23] Well, that's the whole plate theory too. If you say sorry to a plate that's smashed on the ground, does it put the plate back together?
Speaker 6:
[36:30] It was less that, and I mean, maybe this is more like me just being like, she's like, you're going to say sorry, you're going to do the same dumb shit again. So it's like, and I'm curious as to like when, for someone like West, right? Even if West got to the point where he was like, which he, I guess in his brain definitely did, where he was like, I apologize to Sierra, I've said I'm sorry. Like, I saw her, I told her I see her, and it's like, yeah, you said that, you used your words finally. But again, it's like words versus actions. And I, I'm just curious at large, even outside of Summer House, because this is something that like, I try to figure out of like how to show up for the people I care about, whether it's like romantic or just platonic friendship, of just like, where is the difference of like, you can really, really mean something. And you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:
[37:19] Like, where is the action? There's a difference between I'm sorry, my actions hurt your feelings. So it's like, you're not apologizing for action, you're apologizing for their emotional response to your actions. And a lot of people do that. And sometimes when I apologize, I'm not sorry for my actions, but I am sorry that it made them sad. Like, that wasn't the outcome I wanted, but hey, you're in charge of your feelings. Like, there are times when that's how I feel. Yeah. But if you actually think you fucked up, if someone's like, yo, you did that, and that thing I think is fucked up also hurt my feelings, and there's like, I'm sorry for my thought. I'm not sorry that Natalie's mad at me. I'm sorry that I'm a stupid idiot, and I got so defensive that instead of just listening to my wife, I chose to stubbornly act like a petulant child and then ruin all those memories. And that's the thing I'm sorry for, and I don't want to do it again. And yeah, like he definitely knows better, right? Like he should know better. But the thing is like, that's why, what I mean, he doesn't care. What he cares about is how he feels.
Speaker 3:
[38:32] I think, and public perception. I think he's somebody who's very aware that he is on camera. I think he knows to say the right things and to react in a certain way because he wants whatever happens when cameras go down for that period to be like, yay, West, we love West. That's why you're playing into this whole Sierra thing when you clearly don't have interest.
Speaker 2:
[38:50] It's so interesting that you say that he's super aware because obviously we saw him with the whole sock thing. Then this episode, I noticed that whenever Sierra came into the room and was like, hey, do you want to go and get a coffee? He was like, yeah, sure. He goes in to tell Jesse who's in the shower and he picks up his necklace microphone to catch what Jesse's saying because clearly Jesse's not gonna have a mic in the shower. And you are so hyper aware of making sure what you want gets aired and what you don't want doesn't get heard. And it's just, it's very interesting.
Speaker 1:
[39:26] I don't know if they're gonna say this because I don't think this makes them look or sound any better, but I think, my guess is behind the scenes to Sophie Cunningham, when Sophie was like, I just think when people start learning the truth, they're gonna feel differently because clearly West is like, emotionally dumped on Sophie, and she's been like, oh my god, like, don't listen to the haters.
Speaker 2:
[39:50] It's not that bad.
Speaker 6:
[39:51] I know what haters are like.
Speaker 1:
[39:52] My guess is he is downplaying the realness of these friendships and relationships and blaming it on TV. He's probably like, I'm not even like that fucking good of friends with Jesse, or like, in like Sierra, you know. Again, the whole bit where he was with Sierra, he's just like, we dated for three months three years ago. But it's just, again, you're the one who've like, you've given Sierra access to your emotions without without accountability. You're the one who like does the you play the confusing part. And that's what I mean, like to be like a strong partner or a strong guy, not like it is to is to be willing to just be honest and upfront at the risk of in the short run, frustrating or disappointing that person. But knowing that you're just you're at least being honest. And knowing that in the long run, they at least might have respect for how you carry yourself. And as opposed to like in the long run, them feeling let on or misled because you gave them, even though you said you weren't ready to date, and you said you didn't want this, but you showed up emotionally to be there for them. And it was funny when Jesse's on Watch What Happens Live, and he was like, I'm not gonna condemn the guy. He's not like a bad guy. He just did a bad thing, blah, blah, blah. But Jesse told this story about how this is a man I cried with when I was recovering from his cancer, his fight with cancer. And that makes a lot of sense, because again, West is someone who can show up in those moments, right? He's likable, he can really be there for someone. The problem with West is it's the consistency. He doesn't wanna show up consistently, and that's why West is more of a boy's boy, because when it comes to his male relationships, he can tap in and tap out. He can cry on the floor with Jesse, and really show up in that moment, and then hang out two weeks later. He can go on a plane and hook up with girls and things like that, but when it comes to building an emotional connection, that's something that Sierra's been very clear about what she wants to do and the direction it wants to go, it requires, if nothing else, consistency. And he doesn't wanna do that, but selfishly he still likes having access to Sierra. He still wants Sierra to rely on him and go to him, and he wants to be able to say, I show up for her, here's 10 examples of me being there for Sierra. And it's just like, but that's not what Sierra wants, Sierra wants the consistency, the trust and loyalty, and that's the cop out because he is discounting that fact. And instead of like, he's patting himself on the back for things that everyone else is criticizing for him for, because when you show up for someone who's asking for consistency, and you don't give them that consistency, all you're giving them is a false sense of hope. Like you're giving, you know, at the end of this episode, where he's like, I could be best friends with you right now. Again, this is a person who's talked about what being best friends with a man means to her, and you are saying, I can be best friends with you tomorrow.
Speaker 3:
[42:44] In an instant, yeah.
Speaker 1:
[42:46] In an instant.
Speaker 3:
[42:46] As if.
Speaker 1:
[42:47] Like that's, and then to find out that you ended up fucking Amanda is crazy.
Speaker 3:
[42:51] Even crazier.
Speaker 6:
[42:52] That's what I meant by like, sick to my stomach. And you know what I mean? Like it was just to see him, it's the fact that he didn't think he was lying to her. Like he is so in his own world.
Speaker 1:
[43:04] Oh no, no. He definitely thinks he's a victim.
Speaker 3:
[43:07] But even then, it was the competition for me that I couldn't help but just be annoyed with where I'm like, okay, fine. I did not expect, like can we be best friends again to come out of Sierra's mouth in that moment? And when it did, I was like, oh damn, here we go. Which would have been like a moment had we not known about Scamanda, Westgate, whatever. We've been like, yes.
Speaker 9:
[43:26] If we had not known about that and I was still there, I would have been like.
Speaker 3:
[43:29] And then he ruined it for me. Yeah. If I was like completely just like devoid of everything else is going on and was just in this storyline, he fucking ruined it for me because then he goes, I knew you'd never make out with Jesse. And I was like, that's what you're thinking about after two years of back and forth. You can't be comfortable like how we still get.
Speaker 1:
[43:46] That is crazy to say because that implies that you give a fuck who she makes out with and you are in a position to give a fuck who she makes out with. Because when you say, I just want to be friends, you're suggesting you mean it platonically.
Speaker 3:
[43:59] Yes.
Speaker 1:
[44:00] You know, and it's like she doesn't mean that. She's made it. I mean, I don't want to speak for Sarah, but that's what it seems like when she's talking about relationships.
Speaker 3:
[44:07] For her to be like, well, why didn't you stop it or whatever? And he was like, you wouldn't do that or whatever the fuck. And it was just like that whole, that exchange already is so intimate, and she's letting her walls down. She said she doesn't even want to be nice to you. And we're going to try to move to this friendship, and then he's already ready to kind of like, let's take six steps forward. And then he's going to play victim, being like, I don't know how she got here. Like, I don't know, I didn't do anything. And it's like, then you're going to go and fuck Amanda?
Speaker 1:
[44:33] That's why a guy like West, who I would classify as a weak partner or a weak guy, you know, and it's not like an indication of it. It's like it's, he can change. Maybe he won't be a weak partner for Amanda, I don't know. But that's the dangerous part of this situation because like we think back to this season, right? When you had this whole like, you know, that moment where, I don't even know how to talk to her. And then Sierra's like, I've designed it that way. Again, then you also have another scene, I brought this up multiple times, where West is like, I'm worried that Sierra's gonna get hurt. Again, like, so the real truth is that second statement, you know that West is not worried about his feelings. He is in control, from his perspective, about this situation. He's not worried about it, he's trying to navigate it, but he's okay. But back, I don't even know how to talk to her and Sierra. That is that game we play, and even Sierra, because it's very easy, in the type of relationship Sierra finds herself in with West, to feel powerless, to just be drawn to someone, she's emotionally invested in this person, she feels committed, she doesn't want to feel like she's crazy, she's like, I'm not crazy for liking this, but this person's giving me a reason to like them, that kind of internal battle that we fight when we have these strong feelings for someone who is like, kind of maybe giving us examples of why we shouldn't fuck with them. And so it's just that game that we play where West is, again, he's pretending he's the victim, he's pretending that he's the one not in control, knowing full well he's in control. And that gives Sierra a false sense of security and a false sense of power. And like, yeah, I hope that Sierra will look at this situation and see all these examples to be like, holy fuck. Like, I hope this ends up being the best moment of her life looking back. But like, West definitely shouldn't have known better. I'm just saying in the sense of like, eventually, like, you know, the problem with guys like West is like, you have to know. Yeah, West or Dayna doesn't, and they are never going to be the ones to actually change their behavior. You're just going to have to see them for who they are and choose not to fuck with them anymore. You're just, you have to like, you have to help yourself, right? That, you know, and I hope that as it relates to this, whatever this is with West, that she kept her just keep giving him more chances, you know, and his confusing behavior. I hope she doesn't see his behavior as confusing anymore. I hope that she sees his behavior as very, I hope where he stands is very clear now, and it's not with Ciara, and it's not really as her friend, you know, it is, he, it's, if nothing else, he just wants, it's, I guess, with Amanda, you know?
Speaker 6:
[47:10] Look at Amanda.
Speaker 1:
[47:11] But, I mean, they do make sense to me.
Speaker 3:
[47:13] I don't know, no, I will never agree to that, where I'm just like, even that scene of them with, and I don't know, I don't want to come for West too hard, but I'm just like, West, West is the type of person where I'm just like, even with-
Speaker 6:
[47:24] I would say he would rather people come for him than Amanda, so go for it.
Speaker 3:
[47:28] All right, this forum is open. Even the dog thing, where I was just kind of like, my fiance and I were kind of talking about that, where we were like, West is just the type of person that positions himself in any situation where he can meet as many women as possible and not seem like a threat, and I'm just like the whole, I don't want to have a dog, but I do these dog adoption things where it was just like, oh, what a sweetheart, he just really cares about-
Speaker 1:
[47:50] Golden retriever. I can't have a dog right now, but the least I could do was donate my time.
Speaker 3:
[47:56] Where I'm just like, you know who goes to dog adoption? Single women.
Speaker 6:
[48:00] Literally, and guess what?
Speaker 1:
[48:01] That's why I found his political post, again, not that I don't agree with him, I found him to be performative because it was like, wait, why?
Speaker 3:
[48:08] To back your point up for Mary, him having a podcast with Sophie Cunningham really confuses that.
Speaker 6:
[48:14] Exactly.
Speaker 1:
[48:15] Well, obviously, there will be more to talk about.
Speaker 3:
[48:17] I've got so much more to say.
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Speaker 6:
[51:08] Yeah, you know shit's getting messy when Jesse Soloman starts to make sense.
Speaker 1:
[51:15] Well, I know I'm often critical of the guys on Bravo, but maybe Jesse is one of those guys who's, again, to say when I say Wes is a weak man, at any point he can choose to mature, grow up and start giving a shit about other people's feelings outside of his own. When Jesse showed up last season being like, I'm in love with Lexi. That was impulsive and maybe silly, but to whatever degree that he tried to make sense of those actions would be, it's a very Wes Wilson thing to do. But Jesse sounds like maybe he's open to being like, if I'm serious about my relationship life and want to actually have something meaningful, I have to maybe not do all these things. So maybe Jesse is learning. But anyway, let's just go point by point, everything he said. He said that he had suspicions about Wes and Amanda, but they lied to his face about it multiple times, which is just interesting in the sense that that's just knowing that they knew they were doing something shady.
Speaker 3:
[52:12] 100%.
Speaker 1:
[52:13] Otherwise, why are you lying?
Speaker 3:
[52:15] Why? Yeah, that's what I say about the accountability of it all, is that it's like, I'm not going to sit here and give anybody passes because these are two grown-ups adults that made that decision. And then when you're looking somebody in the face knowing that you're lying about it, why would you lie if you don't know that what you're doing is wrong, bad, whatever? You would own it or be like, you'll never believe what I'm feeling. And I remember when Jesse posted the photo of him and Amanda out having martinis or whatever. And he was like, if you see us out, we're just friends or whatever. So it's like they sat down and had a full on one-on-one, which I guess Jesse was asking Amanda about the rumors, what's going on, and that she straight up lied to his face.
Speaker 1:
[52:49] You know what's interesting? Because everyone is trying to be like, oh, when did this start, right? And was there cheating and things like that? But everyone's asking that through the lens of a physical boundary being crossed. And the truth is, we're never really going to get a straight answer. Because I guarantee you, West and Amanda are answering that question in that lens. Well, we didn't hook up. Like, we didn't hook up, we didn't fuck until everyone was single. Or we didn't kiss, or we didn't hug. But we are literally watching this season. And again, it's a gray area, right? These things don't just start like... It's not like one day someone walks in and goes, I think I'm in love with you. There's the banty flirting, there's the rapport. They are at point. West probably did show up as a friend. And then eventually there's these, maybe an intimate moment. And by intimate, I mean just a feeling, right? And then eventually it just starts crossing a line that gets kind of weird. And so we'll never really know, because clearly that's what happened with these two, is they got closer and closer. And I'd be curious what they said to each other and they said to themselves once they realized there was some mutual interest. But from one, if you're Amanda, how do you let it ever go that far?
Speaker 3:
[54:02] Well, even watching that dog adoption bit, whatever, where it's like they're having that conversation, I instantly flashed back to the fight that they had and Kyle being like, she spent more time with you in the last six months than with me. And then while Amanda's defending Sierra's honor and being like what you did was messed up and it messes up the dynamic, it's like you're clearly talking on behalf of Sierra while talking to West but also stating that like, you know, you've been such a good friend to me and like you hate it when Kyle mistreats me so to see you disrespect Sierra in such a way and then I was like, and then?
Speaker 1:
[54:34] That's what's crazy because like even if you're Amanda and you're like telling yourself like, Sierra and I aren't that close or whatever like, but no matter what, even if you and West are meant to be.
Speaker 3:
[54:45] End game.
Speaker 1:
[54:45] End game. You are disrespecting your friend Sierra. If you care about Sierra's feelings and you're going to come out. It almost is like, you know, and sometimes I give him relationship advice and someone's like, you know, I have a crush on this guy who has a boyfriend, but we're like, we're just friends. And I'm like, yo, you're getting a front row seat to how this guy moves as a boyfriend. And it's almost like Amanda's like, I kind of like you. And I want to give you like, she's like, don't like, be better. Like, don't do this to Sierra so I can justify liking you. It's almost like this weird.
Speaker 3:
[55:17] Like, training him for the future.
Speaker 9:
[55:19] No, it's just like, it's, yeah, it's this weird, ugh, ugh, it's infuriating.
Speaker 6:
[55:25] Because it's also just like, if you're friends with someone and you can't talk about the person you're dating, like the people you're seeing around them, maybe think about why that is.
Speaker 3:
[55:37] The whole dynamic of like, their quote unquote friendship has just been the most bizarre thing to watch. But the cognitive dissonance between them and having these conversations about respect, loyalty, friendship, the meaning of it all, and then to see what their actions were while you guys hit it, lied, and then wanting to text random apologies to people while dropping this like mutual, we were found into this relationship.
Speaker 6:
[56:02] You can't even say each other's, like Sierra bringing that up in her Glamour article of them not saying each other's names, West also didn't say it on the podcast either. In their statement, like they never say, they never reference each other by name. Like we, and then when West was talking on his podcast, he kept saying she to refer to Amanda. He wouldn't say Amanda.
Speaker 1:
[56:22] Well, he doesn't even talk about Sierra as if she's even a human being now. He's just like, we've hurt people.
Speaker 3:
[56:27] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[56:28] Who are you talking about?
Speaker 6:
[56:29] The cast.
Speaker 3:
[56:30] I feel bad. I've sent some text and it's just like bare minimum.
Speaker 1:
[56:35] Jesse said he and Sierra were already side-eyeing things.
Speaker 6:
[56:41] Jesse said that him and Sierra were probably suspecting things of, is there something going on back in February? But Sierra had told Jesse to wait for the reunion.
Speaker 3:
[56:50] Like she was going to call them out at the reunion, but then all of this stuff came out and statements, et cetera.
Speaker 1:
[56:56] He said he reached out to Paige who gave him great advice, which I thought was great because, well, we've heard it straight from Jesse's mouth. I have talked to other people very close to the situation. And then that very brief conversation that was had, Paige's name came up. And so clearly, Paige's her bow is running Point PR for the house. She is the go to person for it seems like everyone else involved in terms of like what advice Paige has for them because how they should move.
Speaker 6:
[57:26] How they should move a page is that one meme where it's like, you guys are in a crisis. I'm on my way.
Speaker 3:
[57:33] I might even the iconic photo of Sierra finding out about the statement or whatever outside of Hermes, chic as fuck. She was like, I was on the phone with Paige being like, what do I do? And I'm just like, I just, I love this friendship so much. And I do love the fact that like, yeah, she's the one that's like, all right, we need to run. Wait, let's fucking go.
Speaker 6:
[57:51] Make sure you get photographed in front of Hermes though.
Speaker 9:
[57:53] That was Paige's advice.
Speaker 1:
[57:55] Then he dropped some tea that he had, West had brunch with all the boys and then apparently had a second brunch with Amanda. And then he and then they all went to Miami and West and Amanda went on a solo dinner. I wonder who asked who.
Speaker 3:
[58:08] He was so funny about it too. He was like, yeah, I didn't even think of anything. I was just offended that they would go to dinner and not invite him.
Speaker 6:
[58:15] He just wanted to hang out.
Speaker 3:
[58:16] Yeah. We're all in Miami together.
Speaker 1:
[58:19] Well, I mean, again, you guys have to get the psychology. And I don't know, I assume those people are interested in this, but the reason why some of this drama, and I think we call it grace or whatever, but when these groups of people are filming reality TV shows, it's so impossible to almost not have a very high school-like dynamic. And you're very isolated from the world because you don't really honestly know who to trust, and very few people can relate to your experience, and you don't want to be talking about making TV shows to people who, A, are fans, and B, maybe it's like either fans or you don't want to sound like... That guy, that person. You're in a bubble, right? So it creates these very weird relationship dynamics that...
Speaker 6:
[59:12] Like trauma bonded, in a way. But like that same type of bond.
Speaker 1:
[59:17] Well, at first, even just like West and Amanda, if they were just friends, it wouldn't seem that weird that they would maybe grab coffee or be friends in a way that where other people would be like, what is going on here? Like, it would make sense that there is a closeness and a comfort level that doesn't necessarily mean that something's going on and why other cast members wouldn't necessarily read into it. Because of how this group really is there for each other because they don't really have anyone else to turn to when they feel kind of isolated and alone. And I think that's what's fascinating about, it actually turned into something.
Speaker 3:
[59:56] To be fair, they kind of do give off horny college kids stuck in a house together, even though they're not stuck. But I'm even watching West this season with Bailey. I don't know if you've seen it at all, but it's just randomly he's got his arms intertwined with her arms while she's trying to have a conversation with Ben and she's sitting on a bed and he's pulling on her ponytail and whatnot. She's like, don't not do that. You know, so I'm like, yeah, but that's kind of fucked up. That's what I'm saying is that I'm like, there's this weird dynamic with West specifically, but I'm just kind of like their whole friend group is just very interesting. Obviously, shit's resurfacing with like Amanda holding Craig's hand under the table while he was dating Paige. And it's just like, in what world would that ever be a thing? I don't care who's fighting at the table.
Speaker 1:
[60:39] That's still crazy.
Speaker 3:
[60:40] You know what I mean?
Speaker 6:
[60:41] Like, I don't know. This show is just like I love a lot of my friends, but would never.
Speaker 3:
[60:49] I'd never act that way with my friend's boyfriend, with my friend's whatever, but I'm just like...
Speaker 6:
[60:53] And I'm like an intimate, like, you know, like when for video listeners, when I see Sierra, like, you know, like I'm hugging my friend, I'm doing whatever, like I'm a very, like, physical touch intimate with my friends.
Speaker 9:
[61:06] There is a difference, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6:
[61:09] And so it's just interesting to see.
Speaker 1:
[61:11] Yeah, but West is, you know, listen, like a lot of people who get attention and like attention have a bad habit of wanting to know they can.
Speaker 3:
[61:22] Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:
[61:23] And West is like right now in this stage of life that he is, is the definition of, I just want to know I can.
Speaker 3:
[61:29] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[61:30] And he doesn't want to let go of that wanting, no, he could with Sierra.
Speaker 3:
[61:35] It's like trophies, he's just collecting them, being like, whenever I get to dust this one off the shelf, he's like, oh, I'll give one attention to him.
Speaker 1:
[61:41] I said on Tuesday, he kind of dresses like a literal peacock.
Speaker 3:
[61:44] Honestly, biggest issue that I'm having with this whole Amanda and West thing is Amanda's style went completely down the drain and now she dresses like she got dressed in his dirty hamper and it pisses me off more than anything because she had great street style. And then I'm like, is this because you're one of those like chameleon type girls that doesn't have an identity of themselves, so you blame everything on your partner or you become your partner?
Speaker 6:
[62:02] Yes.
Speaker 3:
[62:03] Because that's the scariest type of person.
Speaker 6:
[62:05] I mean, I don't want to make general assumptions, so it's kind of mean to say, but yes.
Speaker 1:
[62:08] I have empathy.
Speaker 3:
[62:09] By all means, and hold on to that. I just, I don't. I love that for you, but yeah, no, I don't. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[62:19] Do you think Sierra should be more mad at West or more mad at Amanda? Yeah, do you think Sierra should be more mad at Amanda than she is West in the way that she, why? Do you agree with the boys will be boys?
Speaker 3:
[62:31] It's not so much that I agree with it, but again, like West fucking up isn't shocking, we watched it last episode where he's sitting here acting like the victim that he has something to apologize for when he literally said to that girl, I date this girl behind you, but who cares about that?
Speaker 1:
[62:45] But why can't we still hold them to a standard of, again, when we watched this last episode back, why can't we be like, that was fucked up. Again, all the time we just spent analyzing his behavior and talked about how, at the end of the day, it's just fucking manipulative, and it's a choice, and he's not this kind of helpless, can't articulate his thoughts and feelings as much as he leans on. So why are we discounting those actions to the fact that he's just some guy?
Speaker 3:
[63:14] Oh no, I literally have equal, I despise them both equally. There's no discrimination. But with Amanda is that it's like with your girlfriends, you expect better, she knows better, you're watching her literally talk about it throughout this season. She fucking knew better, and still chose to hide it versus coming to the forefront and being like, hey, this happened. West, like West makes, and I told you this with Scandival a long time ago when I came on. It was like, the thing with Bravo fans, at least for me, that I feel like is that we hate being bamboozled. We hate you selling us who you think you are.
Speaker 1:
[63:51] That's just reality TV fans in general.
Speaker 3:
[63:53] Sure, okay, but Bravo takes it very personal, okay? And that's why the vitriol or whatever seems like it's so out of place, but it's like, no, we've been rooting for you. We wanted you to leave Kyle. We wanted better for you. We wanted you to be this boss bitch on an empire, and we were ready to give you the dollars to do so, and then this is what you do with it? Like, it's just like, so yeah, it's more disappointing on Amanda's behalf because we were all actually rooting for her, whereas West, it's like, oh my god, West, if it wasn't gonna be with Amanda, it was gonna be somebody else, because that's just who West is. Thank you.
Speaker 1:
[64:23] Well, that will do it for today's Amanda scandal, whatever we're calling it. Obviously, there'll be more layers to peel back. Up next, we have Jeremiah and Iris from Love Island, and now they're part of Beyond the Villa, and there seems to be a lot going on in their lives right now. They came in a little heavy, a little in their fields. It was great to catch up with both of them, but just a whole different kind of reality TV world, and it's really fascinating to kind of explore how Iris and Jeremiah, two of my favorites from last season, and I've gotten to know Jeremiah a little bit. He's a really stand-up guy. But we get to talk about their experiences both from Love Island and catch up on some of the Pepe drama that Iris had to experience. Where are they now? Who are they dating? TJ and Iris, what is going on there? But they're up next, and we are super excited for you to listen to this next conversation. Well, none of us are getting any younger today as the oldest we've ever been. And if you are like me, you are conscious about making sure that your skin ages gracefully as you get older. And that's why I've been relying on Oneskin for some time now. It's amazing what Oneskin is doing. They're actually reversing aging. It sounds like something you'd only see in a sci-fi show, but it's something in real life and in Oneskin is doing it. The founding team at Longevity Research who asked a deceptively simple question, if many viable signs of aging like wrinkles, fine lines and loss of elasticity are driven by so-called zombie cells, what if you could actually reduce those cells to slow the aging process down instead of just covering it up? Well, that research led to OS1, Oneskin's proprietary peptide. It's the first ingredient proven to switch off those damaged senescent cells, actually slowing skin aging directly at the source. This is serious science that fits easily into my existing routine, and by existing routine, just like putting lotion on your skin. But instead of just putting normal lotion, I am putting technology on my face that is reversing the signs of aging. I've also really been prioritizing putting it on my neck, because neck is the place that shows the first signs of aging. It's like thinner skin on your body. And it's been really game changing. People don't keep telling me I look young from age. How would I be able to host age of attraction if it weren't for Oneskin? It's not just me benefiting from the technology of Oneskin. Oneskin's products are backed by extensive lab and clinical data, including four peer-reviewed clinical studies to validate their efficacy and safety on all skin types. Plus they got over 10,000 five-star reviews and have been recently featured by Bloomberg. And as a leader in skin longevity, it really shows you don't need a complete routine to achieve healthier, younger looking skin. Born from over a decade of longevity research, Oneskin's OS1 peptide is proven to target the visible signs of aging, helping you unlock your healthiest skin now and as you age. For a limited time, try Oneskin with 15% off using code V-I-A-L-L at oneskin.co/v-i-a-l-l. That's 15% off oneskin.co with code V-I-A-L-L. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them we sent you. No one really prepares you for how often things break once you own a home, especially if you are a first-time buyer. It's like the second you move in, something decides to stop working. Breakdowns are inevitable, and without a home warranty, repairing or replacing covered systems and appliances can cost thousands. And that's where American Home Shield comes in. American Home Shield offers home warranty plans that cover parts of major home systems like HVAC, plumbing and electrical, as well as kitchen and laundry appliances, even if they're older. And if a covered item can't be repaired, they'll replace it. Plus, as a benefit to select plans, American Home Shield offers a convenient video chat feature that lets you connect with a live repair expert to help assess or even fix an issue over the phone. These experts have an average of 20 years' experience across HVAC, plumbing, electrical and appliance repair. Listeners can get 20% off select plans today. Just visit aahs.com/viallfiles to sign up. See aahs.com/contracts for coverage details, including service fees, limitations and exclusions. Jeremiah, Iris, welcome back to the show. It's good to have you guys in person.
Speaker 8:
[68:31] Thank you for having us.
Speaker 10:
[68:32] Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1:
[68:33] If you don't mind me saying, you guys both kind of came in a little heavy. It felt like, you know, and we've talked offline before, like this reality TV thing that you all do, it's a lot sometimes, you know, and on one end, it's awesome to have such a passionate fan base who gives a shit about who you guys are, because if not, like, if no one cared, then that would suck. But it's draining. So I guess first question for both of you, like, how are you guys doing, you know, fresh off of a new show, Beyond the Villa, coming out?
Speaker 3:
[69:08] I feel like that was a prime time to ask how your heart is.
Speaker 1:
[69:10] Yeah, how is your heart? Yeah, as we like to ask on this show.
Speaker 10:
[69:15] Um, I think I'm great overall. I think, low key, like, the last couple of days, I've been letting a little bit of the noise get to me. Especially it's hard when, like, people have only seen two out of eight episodes, so like a fourth of the picture, and they're, like, trying to say who you are, or, like, talk about you and your friends when they've seen us for two hours, when we've been hanging out for nine, 10 months now. So I think that's, like, the hardest part is some of, like, people switching up.
Speaker 1:
[69:41] What are some of the narratives about you that you're reading that you find to be the most upsetting at this moment?
Speaker 10:
[69:48] I would say, honestly, it's, like, the follower thing, because they'll say, like, I'm a follower. And mind you, like, I have my own. Me and Pepe have our own issues, right? It's not beef. We just, like, you'll see in the show, it's not beef. We just have our own opinions on things, and we agree to go separate ways cordially. And people don't know that, so they're just calling me a follower. But then it's like, if I do choose sides, I'm a follower. But then if I don't choose sides, then a friend of all is a friend of none. So I'm just trapped in a box.
Speaker 1:
[70:17] Yeah, there is a lot of that in reality TV. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. The only problem with, you know, cause the internet is a limitless sea of opinions. So, you know, you will find.
Speaker 10:
[70:28] Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:
[70:29] You will find it. Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, they're gonna, someone's gonna be pissed.
Speaker 10:
[70:33] Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1:
[70:34] But I guess, give us the reality. You mentioned, like, Pepe, but, like.
Speaker 10:
[70:40] No, no, no, it's no beef. We're just not friends.
Speaker 1:
[70:42] Not friends. You're just not friends.
Speaker 10:
[70:43] Yeah, there's no beef. Like, people think.
Speaker 1:
[70:45] You just agree to disagree.
Speaker 10:
[70:46] Yeah, exactly. And people will see that. And it's like, they don't know that yet. So, they're just like, follower, clout chaser. And it's like, no, we're just not friends because of our own things we have going on that people don't know about.
Speaker 1:
[70:56] So, what people are saying is, like, are they expecting to have Pepe's back in a way that they don't feel like you are?
Speaker 10:
[71:02] Yeah, I don't know what they think. I think it's just like, they seem with the girls like, oh, he switched up on the guys. But it's really just me and Pepe had our own disagreements. And I'm not here to bash him. There's no beef. It's just we're just not friends anymore. It's been like that for months.
Speaker 1:
[71:14] I've been following you since you came on the show the first time. I haven't seen you say anything bad.
Speaker 10:
[71:20] Yeah, no, I said in the podcast, oh, I said we aren't friends in the whole comment section. It's like, oh, high schooler, cloud chaser follower. I'm just like.
Speaker 1:
[71:27] We're just not friends.
Speaker 10:
[71:28] Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3:
[71:29] I was also gonna say, I actually really appreciate your friendship with Iris and Hannah and Papaya. Seeing that you being like, hey, these are my sisters and people that I feel like I'm actually getting real good feedback and being able to be there and to support them. And I'm like, I really appreciate that perspective of you on the show. So just so you know, there's always gonna be a hater for everything that you do, but there's a lot of people that appreciate it in silence.
Speaker 1:
[71:53] Especially in reality TV, because we're also, I'm imagining you're not a big Bravo fan, which is-
Speaker 10:
[71:59] I respect. I don't watch it quite, to be honest, but I respect.
Speaker 1:
[72:02] Well, we talk a lot, there's a lot of weak men on Bravo. And by weak men, it's just like they're don't, you know, they're always writing for the boys. You know, it's always like short-term gratification, in plain though, like, I didn't know better. And they don't seem to like stand up for the women in their lives in a meaningful way. So quite honestly, like it's-
Speaker 3:
[72:21] It's refreshing.
Speaker 1:
[72:23] It's refreshing to see someone who like isn't just like writing for the boys all the time.
Speaker 3:
[72:28] Yeah, like you seem like a, like, I didn't know they existed, but like a legitimate, like, like girls guy. You don't really hear that term a lot, but it's like, you seem like somebody that like a woman could trust and feel safe around. So I do appreciate that a lot.
Speaker 8:
[72:41] I think he's just a really good friend. And like, he, he is a good friend to everybody, you know? And I'm, I'm so lucky that I've like met, I met him because he, I'm lucky. And, you know, we just like all have gotten closer and like, we all talk all the time. So it's, you know, we've just formed like a really close friendship.
Speaker 1:
[73:06] And how about you, Iris? How has this experience been on?
Speaker 8:
[73:09] You know, I have so much positive things happening in my life now that I'm like, I don't even pay any attention to the negative things that are going on. And I kind of just like let it all go. But, you know, there is negative, like with good always comes bad. And you just have to really paint no mind and go about your life. Otherwise, you're going to just get caught in like this negative cycle where it's like a back and forth with yourself. And you don't want to...
Speaker 10:
[73:40] Yeah, that's so real.
Speaker 8:
[73:41] It's true. You don't want to like let that stuff affect you because then it affects your friendships, it affects your family, it affects your work. So my outlook on life is like no matter what happens, move on, stay positive, and like good things come to good people and like it will always get better no matter what.
Speaker 1:
[73:59] I imagine it's difficult and, you know, because this show Beyond the Villa obviously is capturing the friendships that you guys formed on Love Island and in the way these shows are filmed and aired, there's timelines are sometimes a little wonky and goofy and us fans obviously are just watching it through the lens of what we're being shown. And so I imagine like, you know, specifically like with you and Pepe, I mean, in reality, like that shit was a long ass time ago.
Speaker 8:
[74:27] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[74:27] And like, right, like.
Speaker 8:
[74:29] We don't care about it now.
Speaker 1:
[74:30] You know, it's like we've we've processed that. But now that we're watching this show and we're playing kind of catch up with you guys, kind of like, you know, where are they now? What do you guys have been up to? I imagine there's a lot, you know, there's just a lot of like re revisiting old wounds.
Speaker 8:
[74:45] Yes.
Speaker 1:
[74:47] Is that a difficult thing to do?
Speaker 8:
[74:50] You know, I feel like, you know, I think people kind of are like now hearing different sides of the story and like, I think they're watching it and they're thinking that this happened like so, like it's fresh, but really we filmed so long ago. And like, we filmed like right when it was like all happening. So now we're all moved past, we're moved on, we're doing great things with our lives and building our friendships and, you know, just trying to live our lives. And it's just like, you're right, it does bring back like, you know, the, what we went through and it's like, it's not fun, but you know what, we signed up for it and like, that's what we have to like deal with.
Speaker 1:
[75:38] Yeah, I don't know either of you that well. I've gotten to know Jeremiah a little bit since interviewing him and we've kept in touch, but you both, you're not almost in a way, and this is like a compliment, you're kind of typical reality TV star. Like you guys seem to lean in the like, I don't look for the drama, you know, like you don't come across as messy people. You find yourself in some messy stuff on Love Island, we don't have to revisit that. But even like, and I was a big fan of Pepe watching the show. He seemed like a really stand up guy. He seemed like, you know, like we think of Jeremiah just like, you know what? We're rooting for him. And then obviously after the show happens, and it's just like, yo, we were caught off guard. I guess like, how do you process that as someone who like, you know, you're on these shows and you don't want to, you seem like you really, you're really good at giving the people in your life a lot of grace. As someone who wants to avoid the drama and give people grace, how do you find that balance between doing that and standing up for yourself and kind of being like, yo, that was fucked up and like, you know, like sure, fine. I didn't have like a deep history, but you kind of played me and you copped out on all the things that you kind of went back on. How do you manage that personally?
Speaker 8:
[76:58] I would say like one thing I really pride myself on is my communication skills with everybody in my life. Like I'm completely honest, even if it hurts with people about my feelings because I just like kind of grew up that way. Like that's just how my parents taught me to communicate with people and go about situations so you don't leave anything unsaid or you don't leave things bad with anybody. So I feel disappointed in like everything that has happened and I think, yeah. So I think if it's like really bad, really bad, I don't give people grace and I stand up for myself. But if it's something that like, you know, sometimes people say things or like, you know, I grew up with sisters so like I've been called every single name in the book that you could possibly ever think and so for me nothing really hurts me. Like I have really thick skin when it comes to like things people say or like maybe an incident that like, you know, I just like think I don't have to like say anything. I can sometimes just distance myself from that person. But like with the situation that happened, I just like kind of felt really disrespected. And I, you know, I didn't, I couldn't give grace because it was like not appropriate for me to do that.
Speaker 1:
[78:20] Did you ever feel like you got genuine acknowledgement and accountability from Pepe when you stood up for yourself?
Speaker 8:
[78:30] No, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1:
[78:32] What was some of his excuses?
Speaker 8:
[78:36] Well, he just like didn't like take accountability for what he did. And that was just upsetting for me because I know the truth. You know, like maybe I don't like share every receipt in the world because I'm not that type of person. I'm not going to do that. You know, like I'm not going to bash somebody, but I know the truth. And like whether or not anyone like believes that or believes him or believes me, it doesn't matter to me because I know like what I've been through and I know what I know. And it's like, I don't need like to prove myself, you know.
Speaker 2:
[79:13] Hannah surprisingly got like a lot of negative feedback for standing up for you. Like how hard was that for you to watch knowing that she's like such a genuine friend to you?
Speaker 8:
[79:26] Hannah is one of my greatest friends and she is one of the best people that I've ever met in my life. And she is, you know, she's some, she's the type of friend that will always have her friend's backs, you know, love her so much. And I feel so sad for her that that is happening and she does not deserve any of that at all. What's going on and, you know, people are seeing like, it's like, it's so frustrating because it's like what we film in a show is like, what, how many hours are we there for like 10 hours sometimes? And it's like, you're seeing two seconds. So you, there's things that we, we do like confessionals, we, we say so many things and it's like, it only gets chopped up into two seconds and then like people run with it, you know, and it's like, it's, it feels unfair sometimes. But I think like, I just really hope that like, you know, people give people grace when it comes to, you know, all of us.
Speaker 1:
[80:31] What is, what is Pepe's truth when it comes to like his version of what went down?
Speaker 8:
[80:37] He lies.
Speaker 1:
[80:37] Well, I, but I'm sure he has his story of, of.
Speaker 8:
[80:41] Yeah, I don't know his story. I just know that like, there was no accountability taken. And I would have appreciated accountability over, I mean, I feel like people will see what ends up happening. But, you know, it is what it is at the end of the day.
Speaker 1:
[81:04] It seems like, does Pepe have like a, like a strong support fan base that like, is he, cause I'm confused what it seems like. Is he getting a lot of people defending him in general?
Speaker 8:
[81:19] I don't know. I mean, I, I feel like I'm honestly like, I don't even pay attention to like, Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[81:27] I would say Pepe is like the villain of this season.
Speaker 8:
[81:30] I would say that he's not on my algorithm. And I, I just like, I really just wish, I wish nothing but the best for everybody. And you know, it's, it is what it is at the end of the day. And I'm in such a better place in my life than I was. And I've moved on and, you know, I, it kind of is what it is at this point, you know?
Speaker 1:
[81:58] Jeremiah, what do you hope people get to know more about you as they watch this season unfold?
Speaker 10:
[82:03] Honestly, I'm excited for them to see me, you know, with the guys of the show, because honestly, like my close guy friends from The Villa aren't really on the show. Like, you know, Jalen didn't do it, Nick didn't do it. So it's like my really close friends from, that I met on The Viall and aren't even on the show, besides like, you know, Charlie. So I'm really excited for people to see me and Charlie at Palm Springs. We have a great moment. I'm excited for that.
Speaker 1:
[82:23] We ran into Charlie, Natalie and I on Lawn or Schmont.
Speaker 10:
[82:26] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my guy.
Speaker 1:
[82:30] I'm just thinking back to Love Island and just like that, you know, you had Ace and Nick and Taylor, and they, you know, they had that little trio, and you almost felt like, you know, how you got voted off, almost the odd man out. And is there a bit of, you know, maybe it's you reading the internet, but a sensitivity of like, you know, cause I've had this before, like I've always really valued my friendships with women, and I've always had a lot of great men friendships, but I've done both where, you know, sometimes early on that was almost portrayed as this like, I didn't know how to be friends with guys in a way, you know, and are you reading into that? Where like, is that something that's getting in your head where, you know, we watched Love Island and you had these three men like buddy up and they kind of like exiled you in a way, and like, you know what I'm, does that make sense?
Speaker 10:
[83:26] I never really got that because one, Austin was there for me. Austin was like telling people about all the lies that were on my name while I was on the date. And two, it's like, I have such, Nejan, Spencer, Grant, Kayla, Cortez. I have amazing, amazing day ones friends I've had for like eight years since college. We go to, we're going to Spain in July. Like I have like day one brothers that I'm with like died for each other since college. So like when the people say, oh, girls this, girls that, it's like, bro, I have like the best guy friends in the entire world, Iggy, shout out Iggy. So it's just like, and we do everything together, we like to fly them out to LA, Airbnb. So it's like when that doesn't affect me because it's like, I have the best girlfriends in the world, sisters, brothers, parents, family. Like my inner circle is the best part about me. So when it's like, oh, this and that, it's like, I met his guy friends too. And they're all glad you did.
Speaker 8:
[84:15] We all went bowling and like, they're super nice. Like you do have a really good.
Speaker 1:
[84:19] Well, I was like, cause like my first, you know, when I first went on reality TV, it was a group of men who were just like, not my type of guys, you know, they were heavy drinkers. They were just very like bros. And like, I just didn't like particularly like, I didn't become close, you know, close friends with them. But like you, it's just like, I got a great group of friends. But on that show.
Speaker 10:
[84:39] For sure, I was there too.
Speaker 1:
[84:40] Yeah, on that show, the narrative was like, oh, no, you know, he's not friends with any of these guys. And then from the audience perspectives, these were the only men that existed in the world, you know? And it was like, well, if you can't be friends with the only men that we are talking about, then you clearly can.
Speaker 10:
[84:54] I mean, yeah, at the end of the day, like Iris was the one that pulled me out from under. So it's like, of course I'm going to be best friends with Iris.
Speaker 3:
[85:02] Can I ask you guys what has been, cause obviously you get out of the villa, right? And now this entire season that you've been living, we've all been watching, so you have to rewatch it. Did you guys rewatch your season?
Speaker 10:
[85:12] Of Love Island?
Speaker 3:
[85:13] Yeah. No.
Speaker 10:
[85:15] I messed up cause I watched one episode and I was like, oh, it's pretty accurate, but I didn't watch the others where they weren't accurate. So yeah, I should have watched them all.
Speaker 1:
[85:21] I've talked to, I think you guys, maybe it will pass, but I think future Love Island people, I think they should, because whatever you think is accurate or not accurate about what you watch, I can promise you it's a lot more accurate than the shit fans clip about you guys. And get into your head and start saying, they come up with their own narratives and by the time you guys leave the island, you have all these followers and you have all these fan theories and how they interpret what you saw. And so if you don't watch it, you guys are living your love island experience to the lens of a fan who literally has no idea how any of this shit works. And I honestly think that's bananas, that you guys don't watch your shows.
Speaker 10:
[86:03] Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[86:04] I think it's cause we like lived it. And so it's like, if we watch it, it is 30 hours of television. It's a lot.
Speaker 1:
[86:11] Well, that's assuming if you cannot go to the DMs and not read the comments, then don't watch it. But I've seen too many people go on these shows and then react to what fans are telling them they watched.
Speaker 8:
[86:23] Oh, like react live?
Speaker 1:
[86:24] Or yeah, or just like-
Speaker 8:
[86:25] Just react in general.
Speaker 1:
[86:27] Yeah, just react in general. Like someone will send you a DM or someone will send you a clip from something else and they interpret it and like you didn't watch and you'd be like, yo, they said, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:
[86:36] That's not what happens there.
Speaker 8:
[86:38] Yeah, I try not to like let that bother.
Speaker 10:
[86:40] I gave up on explaining myself. I'm me and I was like, I am who you say I am.
Speaker 8:
[86:44] Right, cause it's like sometimes like when people form like a specific opinion about you, they're not going to change their mind, you know? Like you can't make grown people change their mind, you know? And also I, I'm probably never going to be able to like meet them or like, we're never going to be able to meet them to like say that. So it's just kind of a thing where you just have to accept and just realize, you know what? My life is good and I don't like pay any mind to the negativity.
Speaker 3:
[87:14] So then what I was going to ask is kind of like, A, you guys lived a very interesting, specific experience living in that villa. And then now we're doing Beyond the Villa, right? So it's like two completely different filming styles. And yet again, you guys are in a precarious situation where you're filming with exes, things that like just like normal people don't have to do. What's been like the hardest thing about filming Beyond the Villa and what's been like the hardest thing about like watching it come out versus Love Island?
Speaker 8:
[87:42] I feel like, I guess like filming for such a long time and then like, oh wow, like my 24 hour or 12 hour day was cut up into two seconds. I'm like, great, like that was a lot of work, you know, for two seconds of my day. But it's, I guess it's just like the business, you know? So I feel like that was like, that's been hard. And also just like in the Villa, like you don't know the time, and you don't know what day it is. And that is almost purposeful, I feel like, so that way in no phone, so you don't like go, I'm tired. You know, I was fine. Like truly, like I was tired. I mean, I was tired at the end of the day, but I feel like I was like not knowing the time or anything. I was doing pretty good.
Speaker 1:
[88:29] It's kind of fascinating when you think about that, because again, like part of the reason why that works is because they're reducing where you're spending your energy to outside distractions and then and therefore, you have more energy and time to focus on literally what's in front of you. And it is kind of fascinating just when you realize this, how much energy we do spend on outside things when, you know, our phone gives us, our phone gives the world access to us in a way that other people would never have access to us if we didn't have that relationship on our phone. It's just always kind of fascinating because like it's weird when they take that phone away, but there's a level of like.
Speaker 10:
[89:10] It's the most frightening thing I've ever had.
Speaker 1:
[89:12] Oh, you know, like.
Speaker 8:
[89:14] It is, it was kind of like nice not having a phone. And, you know, I, there was a point in my life where I didn't even have a phone. So like, I didn't think that that was gonna ever happen again, but it was really like nice not to scroll or like not to talk. I mean, it was kind of, I miss my family, but it was kind of nice having like a little break and like, just, that's why I feel like we all get really close is cause like we kind of lean on each other there. And yeah, I think it's like a crazy experience.
Speaker 1:
[89:50] So what is your dating lives like, look like right now these days? Like, are you, how's TJ?
Speaker 8:
[89:56] Good. Yeah, we're, we're dating. We, we've been dating for, I don't know. I just, I saw like Love Island like posted a reel and it was like of TJ asking me to be his girlfriend and everybody was like, oh my God, now you're, you guys just started dating. I'm like, we have been dating for many months now, but everything's going really good. And we are, we have like the best relationship ever. And I can't even believe I met him on a dating show.
Speaker 1:
[90:29] How, and he doesn't live in LA, right?
Speaker 8:
[90:32] No, he lives in Tampa.
Speaker 1:
[90:33] Okay, so how do you guys make a long-distance relationship work?
Speaker 8:
[90:37] Well, you know, I travel for work. He travels, he comes here a lot for work as well. So it kind of works out. But we, we just like have been traveling back and forth and it's, we haven't experienced like any problems. Like of course we miss each other, but I feel like during the filming too, like he was in LA a lot of the time. So we really spent so much time together that now it's like we're, we need to get our like our lives situated back at home. And like, you know.
Speaker 1:
[91:10] Knowing how things played out with Pepe and knowing that you have this relationship with TJ that you're really, you seem genuinely excited about it. Is there any, almost like, and I want like if you guys could have, you and TJ could have captured that, that relationship and that love that you guys have. On Love Island, does that ever, do you look back, you know, and is there any frustration of wishing like, you and TJ would have ended up on Love Island just to memorialize that relationship in a way where like, now fans maybe respond differently because we didn't get to see it on Love Island or do you not give a shit?
Speaker 8:
[91:43] You know, I just, I feel like everything kind of happens for a reason. And, you know, it was played out the way it was supposed to, I guess. And, you know, I do like obviously wish TJ didn't get voted out that night. And that really sucked for me. But, you know, it's what happened and like, there's no, can't change it, you know?
Speaker 1:
[92:08] What's your love life looking like?
Speaker 10:
[92:10] Bleak. No, I'm not dating no one.
Speaker 3:
[92:15] Can I ask you, I know that you said it was about the friendship, but like, you and Andrina, what was the breaking point or what was the deciding factor as to like, why you guys wouldn't take a stab at a relationship?
Speaker 10:
[92:29] I can't speak on her part. I know for me personally, like, I just love her so much as a friend. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah.
Speaker 3:
[92:36] But she's so beautiful.
Speaker 10:
[92:37] Yeah, she's the best. She deserves the entire world.
Speaker 3:
[92:40] I was gonna say, but you already said the personality. I'm just saying.
Speaker 10:
[92:42] Yeah, it's funny because like, in the friendsgiving scene, like I'm there for like 10 minutes and like, oh, you're ignoring her. I'm like, I literally walked in and walked out. And the thing is like, that was filmed months ago. Me and Angelina just kicked it, so I promise our friendship is good.
Speaker 1:
[92:56] And she feels like you guys are on the same page. It's not like she's not confused about the status.
Speaker 10:
[93:03] Maybe like in some of the episodes, for sure, but that was like four months ago. Like right now, we're probably like the best we've ever been as friends.
Speaker 1:
[93:08] Okay. So if we watch it and as of today, you guys are in a good place.
Speaker 10:
[93:14] Yeah, like we were never in a bad place. Yeah, we have some scenes where there's mixed signals, et cetera, et cetera, but it's like, no, we just went on a trip together, so we're very good.
Speaker 1:
[93:22] How are you and Brian?
Speaker 10:
[93:24] Good, good, good.
Speaker 1:
[93:26] How do you feel about how he handled things with Amaya?
Speaker 10:
[93:29] The thing is, I never even met Brian until way later. So I had no, like, yeah, I knew he had done something disrespectful, but I couldn't judge him because I don't know too much. But I've talked to Amaya a bunch about it, and I wasn't going to be like, oh, F Brian, because I never even met him, so how can I say that? So it was always just like, okay, he's over there. And then I talked to Amaya, and then I actually just texted Brian when I seen the episode, because he took such great accountability, which means a lot to me as a man. So it was like, okay, I respect Brian. I texted him, I really respect what you did. That's why I knew you were always cool. Like him and Amaya are cordial, so what do I look like holding angst against that? Especially if we're cool. Like I had a lot of fun filming with him. Like it was cool. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:
[94:07] Okay. Yeah, so he doesn't seem like, yeah, he's owned it.
Speaker 10:
[94:10] Like, yeah, he disrespected her, and then he immediately recognized what he did, told her to her face, I did this wrong, I apologize, and they moved on, they squashed it. I really respect that.
Speaker 1:
[94:20] Okay. Makes a lot of sense. We have the next season of Love Island coming up fairly soon. Do you guys have any FOMO?
Speaker 10:
[94:31] Describe FOMO.
Speaker 1:
[94:32] Just like almost like, I imagine you have a lot of memories of flying to Fiji and the whole process and waking up in the villa and like knowing that there's going to be a whole new cast of people doing that. Not that you necessarily want to go back, but does it make you think about that experience in a way that...
Speaker 10:
[94:49] Oh yeah, for sure. I want to get like the Snapchat memories of the airport and the hotel for sure.
Speaker 8:
[94:53] Yeah. It's nice like just being kind of like on, in Fiji, in a beautiful house. And that, it was fun, but also like definitely don't, I personally don't have FOMO about it because I'm just like really in such a good place.
Speaker 3:
[95:12] I was going to say you walked away with a great relationship. Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[95:14] Yeah, exactly. Like not at all. You know, like I'm excited for the next season and I hope that they like really enjoy their experience and like take every minute, you know, like enjoy every minute of it because I could see why people miss hanging out with everyone in a fun house every day, you know.
Speaker 3:
[95:38] Jeremiah, because obviously it's been done before and obviously Love Island, huge franchise across international waters. If you got the call to either come back as a bombshell for US, would you do it? And second part, if not, would you be a bombshell on a different franchise like Australia or UK?
Speaker 1:
[95:55] Or original cast.
Speaker 3:
[95:56] Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10:
[95:58] Honestly, I don't even think they would let me bombshell because I know that it would like mess up some of the loading potentially.
Speaker 3:
[96:04] Never say never.
Speaker 10:
[96:05] I mean, we'll see.
Speaker 1:
[96:06] But Rob was a bombshell.
Speaker 3:
[96:08] I was going to say, I've seen people come back, Lucinda. So many people have come back or shown up on Australia two years after or whatever. So I'm just wondering, if the relationship status stays bleak, would you be tempted by a call from Love Island?
Speaker 10:
[96:24] That's a great question. Perhaps. That's not a no.
Speaker 8:
[96:28] They're still all stars too.
Speaker 3:
[96:29] That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 10:
[96:31] Yeah. I don't know. I have mixed feelings about it. Yeah, I have mixed feelings about it for sure.
Speaker 1:
[96:36] Final question before we let you guys go. With the season coming up, and I thought of this question when hearing you talk about TJ and you reminded me how he got voted off and that whole drama. And this is no disrespect to the wonderful producers who make a fantastic show. But if you guys had the opportunity to make some producer decisions for the upcoming season of Love Island, what's one piece of input that you would offer to the producers in a way that you think would make both the experiences of the cast better and the experience of the viewers a little bit better? Because I think as viewers, it sometimes feels frustrating at the end to not really... Why weren't you and TJ given every opportunity to explore that relationship? It's called Love Island and yet it felt like... It felt like that's not what we were getting. And I'm just wondering, would you guys have a note for a producer?
Speaker 10:
[97:38] Bring Back Movie Night, 1000%. Because I had to find out so much stuff that was said about me on my back that was just lies after the fact. And I was just like... And the viewers too, so yeah, Bring Back Movie Night for sure.
Speaker 1:
[97:52] Remember that video we showed you when you first came on?
Speaker 10:
[97:54] Yeah, wait, what one was it? The edit?
Speaker 1:
[97:56] Yeah, when it was like a snitch.
Speaker 10:
[97:59] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, Nick's free now, that's my dog. But yeah, that's crazy, bro.
Speaker 8:
[98:04] I would just say bring back The Public Voting, maybe, because they also...
Speaker 10:
[98:11] I like The Voting.
Speaker 8:
[98:11] Yeah, because we voted for each other a lot. I don't think The Public ever voted besides when TJ went home, at least when I was there, you know? I think, I don't know.
Speaker 1:
[98:26] Yeah, because I imagine when the cast votes, it's very high school.
Speaker 10:
[98:30] Bro, you feel like when the night Charlie got voted off, brought thousands from the die. Even though it was a TV show, that's still one of the worst nights of my life. The night Charlie went home, oh my God.
Speaker 1:
[98:39] Why is that?
Speaker 10:
[98:40] It's just, you just feel like they're gonna go get executed. Like, I don't know how to do it. People, they're like, oh, they're not really crying. We was dead-ass crying, like we were dead-ass crying. And then a big-ass bug came and hit Austin in the head. And then it cut, so that's why we were laughing. So people were like, oh, they still talk about that. We were fake crying. We were dead-ass crying for like 10 minutes. And then a big-ass, like, big as my hand, popped Austin literally in his forehead. And then we all started crying, like laughing.
Speaker 8:
[99:06] Because I think his head was like down. And then they're like, you know.
Speaker 10:
[99:08] He was like, what the, and then he started flipping out. So it's like, yeah. No, they're not trying to get rid of it at all.
Speaker 8:
[99:12] It was like, not a little one, like big, like this. I'm not gonna even get it.
Speaker 10:
[99:15] Huge bug. And so that's why we go from crying to laughing, because he literally got, he really couldn't make it up.
Speaker 1:
[99:20] How is Austin doing? He's recently been in the news because he's very vulnerably opened up about his struggle. He relapsed. Yeah. Have you been checking in on him? How's he doing?
Speaker 10:
[99:31] Yes, I have. I've never wanted to leak anything text-wise, but I was talking to him late December, checking up on him, because I could sense something was amiss, and that didn't go well. Like it was not received well, so I was like, okay. And then we filmed together, we're still good friends, and then he went out and went through rehab and came back, and the second I saw he was back, we chopped it up on the phone.
Speaker 1:
[100:01] So he seems to be heading in the right direction?
Speaker 10:
[100:02] Yeah, I'm always wishing the best, texting him, and he's back on the right track.
Speaker 1:
[100:06] Awesome, well, I could talk to you guys forever, but I know you have to get going, and I appreciate you guys taking the time. It's been fun to catch up with you guys, and I'm excited to see how things unravel on Beyond the Villa. It seems like there's a lot more, if nothing else, you guys seem to be, compared to maybe the last season, willing to share with us these experiences. I feel like maybe last season, I think it was hard to get that cast open up, so it's been fun to see you guys do that, despite I know the challenges of how the internet interacts with you guys, but I appreciate you guys showing up, and I know it's never easy, but you guys are, we're such fans of you guys. It's been fun to see you guys in your journeys, and you guys really seem like great people. You know I've been a huge fan of yours since we got a chance to meet, and it's fun to see examples of how you can be entertaining and interesting without being overly dramatic and messy, and I think you guys both represent that in a really great way.
Speaker 10:
[101:05] Yeah, the goal for Beyond the Villa is to stay out the drama. That's like a goal. Eat, eat, travel, and then just support my friends.
Speaker 3:
[101:14] Bombshell. Sorry, what?
Speaker 10:
[101:16] They're not going to let me bombshell.
Speaker 8:
[101:17] You're pushing for the bombshell.
Speaker 3:
[101:18] I'm pushing, I'm pushing.
Speaker 1:
[101:20] Well, I think that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guests, Jeremiah and Iris, and thank you guys for watching. Do not forget to check out part one of Temptation Island Reunion that dropped yesterday and tomorrow, part two of the Temptation Island Reunion is exclusive here on The Viall Files. So be sure to check that out. If you are listening to the episode, check out the extended version on YouTube for you guys to be thoroughly entertained. All right. See you guys tomorrow. Thanks for coming.
Speaker 10:
[101:48] Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1:
[101:49] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[102:04] We're lost, it feels like we're going round in circles. I'm gonna ask that man for directions.
Speaker 3:
[102:10] Hi there, we're trying to get to the state fairgrounds.
Speaker 4:
[102:13] Well, you're gonna take a left at the old oak tree at this here road. Nah, I'm just kidding, let me get my phone out.
Speaker 5:
[102:20] How is there signal out here?
Speaker 4:
[102:22] T-Mobile and US Cellular are coming together, so the network out here is huge. We get the same great signal as the city, saving a boatload with benefits. And there's a five-year price guarantee too. Okay, here's the turn.
Speaker 2:
[102:34] Actually, can you pull up the way to a T-Mobile store?
Speaker 4:
[102:37] America's best network just got bigger. Switch to T-Mobile today and get built-in benefits the other guys leave out. Plus our five-year price guarantee. And now T-Mobile is available at US Cellular stores in Hermiston. Best mobile network based on analysis by Oklof, Speedtest Intelligence Data Second Half of 2025. Bigger network, the combination of T-Mobile and US Cellular's network footprints will enhance the T-Mobile network's coverage. Price guarantee on talk, text and data. Exclusions like taxes and fees apply. See tmobile.com for details.