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Speaker 1:
[00:02] LEMONADA Liz, what if the lifestyle you built online suddenly became a nightmare you couldn't escape?

Speaker 2:
[00:13] That is the premise of Yesteryear, the darkly funny gripping debut novel from Carole Clare Burke.

Speaker 1:
[00:20] It follows Natalie, a picture-perfect tradwife influencer with millions of followers until one day, she wakes up in 1855 and realizes the reality of that life is nothing like the fantasy she's been selling.

Speaker 2:
[00:35] And from there, it becomes this intense, twisty, turny story where her only goal is to escape by any means necessary.

Speaker 1:
[00:44] Carole Clare Burke is also the co-host of the podcast Diabolical Lies, and she built a huge following on TikTok talking about feminism and media literacy, especially around the whole tradwife conversation.

Speaker 2:
[00:56] The book digs into big themes, motherhood, womanhood, religion, social media, and how performative values can spiral into something much darker.

Speaker 1:
[01:05] Yesteryear is available now in print, audio, and ebook. Go check it out wherever you get your books. Liz, it's gonna be raining when you and Corinne are here, so bring something for rain because we're gonna walk to the restaurant.

Speaker 2:
[01:18] I saw that, I must say I'm disappointed.

Speaker 1:
[01:22] I know, it'll be beautiful though. Yes.

Speaker 2:
[01:30] Hi, and welcome to Happier in Hollywood, the podcast about how to be happier, healthier, saner, more creative, more successful and more productive in a backbiting, superficial, chaotic, unpredictable, fundamentally insane world. I'm Liz Craft, a TV writer and producer living in LA, and with me is my high school friend and writing partner, Sarah.

Speaker 1:
[01:49] That's me, Sarah Fain. On this podcast, we talk about being writers in Hollywood, how we balance a career and friendship, and how to survive the war of attrition that is life in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2:
[02:00] Today, we're going to talk about something we mention every episode, but rarely dive into, the friendship part of balancing a career and friendship.

Speaker 1:
[02:10] Then in Take A Hike, we are announcing Mimsy May and revealing what we are doing for it. We also have a The Craft & Fain inspired by Natalie Goldberg, the author of Writing Down the Bones.

Speaker 2:
[02:21] This week's Hollywood Hack is all about the birds and the bees, the ones that fly around, not the other kind. Finally, I have a book recommendation.

Speaker 1:
[02:31] But first, Liz, we have a couple updates.

Speaker 2:
[02:33] Yes. One, we want to remind everybody about our Killer Bee Work Hour. It's one of our favorite things we're doing since we've started into Substack. Although we announced it on Substack, technically it's Zoom. But every Friday morning at 10:30 AM Pacific, we meet on Zoom for a video on Sound Off Power Hour.

Speaker 1:
[02:57] It's great because there's a very consistent kind of core group, and then there are people who come in and go out. You don't have to do it every Friday. If there's a Friday where it feels like you really need that hour of focused work, come and join us. We post the link in our Facebook group. We also posted on Substack. It's just a really good way to end the week and get stuff off your plate before the weekend.

Speaker 2:
[03:19] Yes. It's very productive. We're using it to get a ton of stuff done. So join us for our Killer Bee work hour every Friday. And then Sarah, we also have to announce, very exciting to me, you got the Libby app.

Speaker 1:
[03:35] Okay. I have been talking about doing this for so long. You know, when I come to have lunch in LA and see you going by a library and getting an LA library card because then I'll have access to Libby. I finally did it. And oh my God, I can't believe it took me so long. It's amazing. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[03:52] So for anyone who doesn't know, although I'm sure most people know because we talk about it all the time, Libby is, yeah, the LA County Library digital app. So you can get audio books from it. You can also get magazines. You can get digital books that you would read on a Kindle or on your phone. I use it all the time. It is my favorite thing in the world. When mine was glitching, I had a meltdown. I had to go immediately to the library and Encino slash Tarzana and fix it. So now you know the beauty of Libby.

Speaker 1:
[04:30] Well, it was so easy. I mean, I just I went in, I had to fill out a form on a computer. There's a sign on the computer that says, do this here, did it, went up to the front desk. It took maybe five minutes. I mean, it was so fast. And now, I mean, Libby has so many audio books. I'm listening to Emily Henry's book, Great Big Beautiful Life right now, which is excellent. I'm sure it'll be a future recommendation. Well, I'm just gonna save so much money on audio books. On Libby, they're free. On Audible, they are definitely not. I just like have 19 audio books on hold now, all of a sudden, on Libby. It's amazing.

Speaker 2:
[05:04] Yeah, so what's great about it is that you can put a lot of books on hold and then they'll pop up. When they're ready, sometimes a skip the line copy will pop up, which means you can jump the line, but you only have seven days to read it. Also, a listener gave me a tip about on the tag, because you can put a tag on it, writing how you got this recommendation or why you want to read it, so that when it pops up, you remember why you were interested. It's how I just keep track of every book I hear about or read about. Look, we still buy a lot of books. I don't feel like I'm not doing my part for publishing, because I still feel like we probably buy more books than the average person. But this allows us to just be experimental.

Speaker 1:
[05:50] Yes, and you can get magazines. You can read magazines, The New Yorker, The Week, The New York Review of Books. I subscribe to all of them on Libby.

Speaker 2:
[05:59] Yes, it is fantastic. So if you haven't gotten Libby or the equivalent library app in your area, please do so. It will change your life. Okay, Sarah, it is time for From the Treadmill Desk of where we talk about what's most pressing in our work psyches. And this week, it's actually not our work psyches. It's our social psyches, I guess you would call it. It is the friendship part of us balancing a career and friendship.

Speaker 1:
[06:29] We have been so intentional and good lately about working in the friendship side. We had lunch with Brooke. Brooke and you and I went to Benihana and just had the best time. We had lunch in Ojai with our friend Tracy. This week, we're spending a night at the Emerald Iguana with our friend Karine. Now, I want to say we do our, what do we call, Hive?

Speaker 2:
[06:55] We do our Chex Mix 26.

Speaker 1:
[06:57] Chex Mix 26.

Speaker 2:
[06:58] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[07:00] Okay, last year was Hive 25. This year, it's Chex Mix 26 at the Emerald Iguana where we do an intense couple days of work. This is not that. This is just hanging out at the Emerald Iguana with our friend Karine, having a lovely time. We're going to go to dinner. We are really leaning into the friendship.

Speaker 2:
[07:16] And Sarah, you and I are going to some events just for fun. We're going to see Jeff Hiller. We're going to see Lena Dunham, my absolute favorite. We have a fun friend dinner planned in May with, now granted it's people we used to work with, but it's just a friend dinner. There's nothing work related.

Speaker 1:
[07:36] Yes. And it feels like for the first time to me, we're actually coming out of the isolation that just descended with the pandemic. I finally feel like that's lifting.

Speaker 2:
[07:51] Yes. And I also think in your case, Violet is old enough that it's easier for you to go out and do things. And you are the person I most often would do things with. So you being more available to do things makes me do more. And we can just have fun and enjoy, again, the friendship part of our career and friendship balance.

Speaker 1:
[08:14] Exactly. As an only parent, the biggest challenge of that is having a young kid who can't stay alone, who isn't always able to go over to friends' houses, etc. Having a 13-year-old really is liberating. Who knew? I can't imagine what it's going to be like when she can drive.

Speaker 2:
[08:36] Wow. Yes.

Speaker 1:
[08:38] I'm going to go crazy.

Speaker 2:
[08:39] You're going to be begging us to do fun things, fun friendship things. But I am very excited about our night at the Emerald Iguana Inn, where we are just going to enjoy ourselves. I'm sure we'll all talk about work because that's fun for us, but we're not going to be working. There's a difference between talking shop and actually working.

Speaker 1:
[09:02] Yes. And because we do like our job, it is actually fun to talk about work sometimes. Yes.

Speaker 2:
[09:07] Well, that's why we do our Chex Mix 26, because we love it so much, but that is not what this is.

Speaker 1:
[09:13] All friendship.

Speaker 2:
[09:14] All friendship. Bonding, female bonding.

Speaker 1:
[09:18] Love it.

Speaker 2:
[09:19] Can't wait.

Speaker 1:
[09:19] Which is, I hate to say it, sort of research for our book.

Speaker 2:
[09:23] True, but we'd be doing it anyway.

Speaker 1:
[09:26] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[09:27] Coming up, speaking of fun things, we have a very fun Take A Hike. But first, this break.

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Speaker 1:
[10:14] So Liz, I've been doing a little spring reset with my closet lately, focusing on fewer pieces, better materials, things that are easy to grab, fit well, and last.

Speaker 2:
[10:23] Same. Do you know how much I love my quince?

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
[10:38] Their accessories are just as good. Sarah, I got a gold bracelet that I absolutely love. It's really the only bracelet I have, and I'm wearing it almost every day.

Speaker 1:
[10:51] I got one of their linen tops. It feels substantial, but it's so easy to wear, and the price was way lower than I expected for linen like that.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 1:
[11:19] All right, Liz, we're back with Take A Hike where we talk about physical, mental, spiritual health. This week, it's mental. Very excited to announce that we are doing Mimsy May. Explain what that is.

Speaker 2:
[11:31] Yeah, so a while back, we decided that we wanted May to be all about whimsy. It started with us talking about wearing fun PJs in May. And then we decided, okay, let's have whimsical May or whimsy May. And then because we like alliteration, we decided we'll call it Mimsy May. So we have Mimsy May coming up. We are embracing whimsy. We are going to be lighthearted, thinking of different things to do for Mimsy May. And we'd love to hear from people about what they are going to do for Mimsy May and what they think we should do. So let's go through a few of our things we're doing so far. So I just said wearing cute pajamas. We're going to make ourselves wear all the cute sleepwear that we own and never wear. Sarah, to this end, I even ordered myself a new pair of short and short sleeve pajamas with a Mahjong theme. Because I have wanted Mahjong pajamas forever, but they're not the kind of thing I would get for myself. But I decided, hey, for Mimsy May, I'm buying the Mahjong pajamas.

Speaker 1:
[12:44] And I really only have my chicken pajamas as whimsical pajamas. So I'm going to be wearing my chicken pajamas a lot. But I'm also, I'm going to get, I think, I'm still processing, but a really beautiful bright pink robe from The Block Shop, which Brooke told us about at lunch. And I'm now completely obsessed with this company again, The Block Shop. They're an LA based company, make the most gorgeous prints. Their wallpapers are absolutely stunning, but they have a pink robe that I think would be suitable for Mimsy May.

Speaker 2:
[13:21] Oh, Sarah, as soon as we got home, I looked up the website and yes, there are so many wonderful things. Let's link to it in the show notes so everybody can take a look.

Speaker 1:
[13:30] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[13:31] Brooke was wearing something from there and we were both just dying over it.

Speaker 1:
[13:35] Yes. And then Liz, we're going to see Jeff Hiller. I'm so excited.

Speaker 2:
[13:40] Yes. And we decided that Jeff Hiller has a whimsical mean about him that we feel works into our Mimsy May.

Speaker 1:
[13:50] Absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[13:51] Now, we are also, Sarah, going to see Lena Dunham. That, to me, is not whimsical. Lena Dunham is not whimsical. I am very excited to see her, but I don't count that as part of Mimsy May. Jeff Hiller, I do.

Speaker 1:
[14:04] I'm also, by the way, going to go see the Indigo Girls in May. Also not whimsical, although I do love them.

Speaker 2:
[14:10] Yes. I'm also hoping at both of these events, Jeff Hiller and Lena Dunham, we have some celebrity sightings, Sarah.

Speaker 1:
[14:18] Oh, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[14:21] Now, another thing I'm doing for Mimsy May, Sarah, is I have ordered myself, they haven't arrived yet, a pair of red Lululemon sweatpants to go with my bright red Lululemon crew sweatshirt because I feel that a red sweatsuit is whimsical, at least for me.

Speaker 1:
[14:43] That sounds whimsical, yes. And I'm also getting some wardrobe whimsy in. I bought a very bright green T-shirt with a kitten on the front that says, Rage Consumes Me. So it's aligned with our Angry Unlikable Women pilot and sort of how I feel in general right now, but in a whimsical way.

Speaker 2:
[15:05] I saw the T-shirt, it definitely counts as whimsy.

Speaker 1:
[15:08] OK, good.

Speaker 2:
[15:09] Another thing I'm going to do in May, Sarah, this is an easy one. I've talked about how I have my weekend mugs on the weekend. I use my mugs that are China, you know, officially China, that I feel like I have to save. Well, in May, I'm using my China mugs, my weekend mugs all week. Just going to go crazy, go crazy and use my weekend mugs. So I can't wait. That's going to be, what? 31 days of weekend mug using.

Speaker 1:
[15:39] I am going to, and this is very unusual for me, paint my nails a bright, fun color. I never, never get manicures. I always get pedicures, I never get manicures. I'm going to get a manicure and just have bright, shiny, fun nails. Maybe I'll even get like little flowers or something on them.

Speaker 2:
[16:00] That would be whimsical. Some daisies, maybe. I always think of you and daisies together. I'm going to borrow that idea from you and do it as well, because Sarah, on my 26 for 26 list, I have paint my nails a color at least twice in 2026 because I never paint my nails anymore. Now, I was probably thinking of red, but I don't think red counts as a whimsical color, so I'm going to follow suit. I'm going to get something bright, whether it be a bright, maybe a pink, green, a bright blue, purple, something bright. I'm going to do it too. We'll have to post photos.

Speaker 1:
[16:40] Red is good for whimsy for a sweat suit, not good for whimsy for nails.

Speaker 2:
[16:44] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[16:45] It's kind of a standard nail color.

Speaker 2:
[16:46] Exactly. Pink is a standard color depending on the shade of pink.

Speaker 1:
[16:51] Yes, but also you're going to want something that looks good with your red sweat suit.

Speaker 2:
[16:56] True. Maybe I'll do a bright white. Does white count as whimsical?

Speaker 1:
[17:00] Could be.

Speaker 2:
[17:01] All right. Well, I've got to think about it.

Speaker 1:
[17:03] Okay. And then I'm going to think about wallpapering my bedroom.

Speaker 2:
[17:08] I know. Wallpaper is so in Sarah and you know I love wallpaper. I would have the whole house wallpapered if I could.

Speaker 1:
[17:17] And there's so many beautiful wallpapers now, and whimsical, but also elegant and bright. So I'm going to take a deep dive into wallpaper.

Speaker 2:
[17:29] And you could always just do one wall if you wanted to.

Speaker 1:
[17:32] True.

Speaker 2:
[17:33] Even one wall of wallpaper makes a big difference. But I'm all for the whole room.

Speaker 1:
[17:38] I have molding on the kind of bottom half of the room. So it's really just the top. So it would be paint on the bottom, wallpaper on the top. So many possibilities.

Speaker 2:
[17:49] I love it. I want you to do just some like delicious, bright or soft, just like feminine, lovely bedroom color, where it's like your haven.

Speaker 1:
[18:02] Absolutely. So I will bring you in for some whimsical consulting.

Speaker 2:
[18:05] Okay. I love wallpaper. Okay, Sarah, what I would love from listeners is whimsical ideas that don't involve us spending any money. Cause a lot of our ideas are getting things that are whimsical. So what are things we can do for Mimsy May that cost us nothing and yet enhance the whimsy in our lives. And we will be sharing ideas. We'll tell you what we're doing. We want to hear what you're doing. Just want to embrace the joy of whimsy in May. May is my favorite month. May is my birthday and my wedding anniversary. And I've always loved May. Best weather. So just going to take it to the next level. Yes.

Speaker 1:
[18:48] We're going to have to plan a very whimsical birthday celebration for you.

Speaker 2:
[18:51] Indeed. Maybe fondue. Fondue is whimsical.

Speaker 1:
[18:55] Fondue is whimsical. Okay. All right. Putting it on the calendar. Okay. Now we have The Craft & Fain, where we talk about the craft of writing because writing is an art, but it's also a craft. And today we're talking about the difference between the creator and the editor. Yes.

Speaker 2:
[19:17] So this is inspired by Writing Down the Bones by Natalie Goldberg, which we're doing a slow read of over on Substack with our paid subscribers. And she talks a lot about distinguishing between the creator and the editor. And the creator really needs to be free and boundaryless and fluid and never stop writing, never stop that pen. And then the editor obviously comes in and takes a critical eye to that.

Speaker 1:
[19:50] Yes. And the book, which if you haven't read it, if you're a writer or engaged in any kind of creative enterprise, is so worth buying and reading. The book really is about freeing the creator. I mean, it's very short chapters. And in every chapter, she kind of hits on this liberation idea that you have to just let the creator be free, live without any kind of critique or sense of constrainment coming in. Just create. And then the editor comes later. And separating those two roles is so essential to the creative process. And what we found is that over the last many years, we have stopped separating those two. We've just internalized the editor. Yes. And so now we're working on separating them.

Speaker 2:
[20:51] Yes. And one thing she has writers do in order to separate them is to do what she calls the writing practice, which is every day for 10 minutes, you write nonstop. You don't go back and, you know, fix misspellings. You don't erase. You don't cross out. You just keep the pen moving. You do not stop writing. And we have been doing this as part of our slow read. And when we talk about the book, usually every Friday, we also include a prompt. She has a deck of cards that are writing prompts. And so we'll do writing practice based on one of these prompts, which I love.

Speaker 1:
[21:29] Yes. Liz, do you have a favorite one?

Speaker 2:
[21:32] Well, one of my favorite ones has been making a list of 30 silent things because it just broke open my mind of thinking, well, what is silent? Every object is sort of silent. So how does it, what rises to the surface, which then does become imbued with meaning.

Speaker 1:
[21:50] And for those of us who may have trouble coming up with our own prompts, we also got the companion thing of cards. You got it. Explain what that is.

Speaker 2:
[22:01] It's called Writing Down the Bones Deck, 60 Cards to Free the Writer Within. And this is like what I was saying. We draw one of these cards for the writing prompt and it's 60 cards. I'll link to it actually in the show notes, Sarah. It has things like, begin with I'm thinking of and every time you get stuck, simply come back again to I'm thinking of and keep going. And there's one that says like, write about what you're looking at. And it's literally just what are you looking at, write about it. So they're really great prompts that just get the mind flowing. And you're just, again, as you said, it's, you're not editing or thinking about editing at all as you're writing. That is the key. Don't even think about editing.

Speaker 1:
[22:51] And it's hard. What this book is really landing for me is that it's hard to separate the creator and the editor, which is why doing these exercises is so essential, because it's almost like going to the gym and working out your muscles. You have to work those creative muscles before and push the editor away.

Speaker 2:
[23:13] Yes. Because you are not going to get to the best stuff in your brain if you've got the editor going while you're creating.

Speaker 1:
[23:22] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[23:23] You're just not, because your mind isn't going to let yourself go to the places it would go if you're already internally censoring it. So this is very important for our creative life.

Speaker 1:
[23:36] It is. And it's sort of, we're saying that this segment is The Craft & Fain because there is craft and art. The creator is the art and the editor is the craft. Yes. And we're saying, lean in first. Lean into the art.

Speaker 2:
[23:52] Yes. This episode, we're leaning into friendship and art and whimsy.

Speaker 1:
[23:56] Yes. I love it.

Speaker 2:
[23:57] Okay, Sarah, coming up, you've got a, I guess I'll call it a ohi hack that's for the birds. The first this break.

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Speaker 2:
[26:23] Okay, Sarah, we're back with this week's Hollywood Hack. This is a delightful thing you found for your yard.

Speaker 1:
[26:30] Yes, a Maidmax Solar Bird Bath Fountain. I'm going to say this is like a little bit of whimsy in April. This is pre-Mimsy May whimsy. I found these wonderful solar fountains. You just put them in any water, and when the sun hits, it comes with nine different nozzles. You can pick how you want the water to fountain up from the little solar thing. You put it in any water when the sun hits it, it makes a cute little fountain. I have a big Bower Pottery bowl that's just been sitting on a shelf for 10 years because it's too big to really use for anything. I just put it outside on a stand, put one of these little solar circles in it, and now I have a bird fountain and a bee fountain. It's perfect for birds and bees, especially in the summer when birds and bees really need to get hydrated and it's hard to find water.

Speaker 2:
[27:24] Yes, and it's fun to see them flitting about.

Speaker 1:
[27:27] It is, it's so cute. And they're also not expensive. They're about $20, a little bit less. I actually bought one and then I bought two more for different little fountains around the yard.

Speaker 2:
[27:38] For your magical garden.

Speaker 1:
[27:40] Yes. All right, Liz, you have a recommendation this week.

Speaker 2:
[27:44] Yes, every week one of us recommends something, and I am recommending a book. It is Famesick, A Memoir by Lena Dunham. So this just came out recently, Sarah. It is a memoir by Lena Dunham who created Girls, one of my all time favorite shows. And it really chronicles her creating girls, going through girls and afterward. And as that's happening, she's also dealing with a lot of health issues. She has written about how she had horrible endometriosis, which led to her getting a hysterectomy. But it turned out that was part of a chronic illness, which she's still battling, although she's kind of learned how to deal with it. She ended up getting addicted to painkillers. So she went to rehab. And she's such a great writer that this tale is just gripping. Also along the way, she talks about her relationship and then break up with Jenny Conner, who she did Girls With and also her very famous relationship with Jack Antonoff. Now she's married and very happy. And it's kind of the book sort of ends there. But it is just so gripping. I really think everybody should read it. It also it's a lot about sort of the workplace and how nobody cares about you in the workplace. And we all need to be aware of that ultimately. And also for anyone who's interested, I listened to a really fun interview with Lena Dunham on the Las Culturistas podcast. So if you want to listen to that and see if you want to read the book, I would recommend that. And Sarah, you and I are seeing Lena Dunham in conversation with Rita Wilson on May 20th.

Speaker 1:
[29:32] Yes. And I think I get the book as part of that event. So I will read it after that. I'm very excited.

Speaker 2:
[29:39] Yes. I needed the audio and the actual book. So I already bought the audio and I will also be getting a signed copy as part of that event. So I'm doubling up on Famesick.

Speaker 1:
[29:50] Nice.

Speaker 2:
[29:52] And that is it for this episode of Happier in Hollywood. We love hearing from you. Email us or send us a voice memo to happierinhollywood.gmail.com. And to subscribe to our newsletter, email us at happierinhollywoodpod.substack.com.

Speaker 1:
[30:06] Thank you to our executive producer, Chuck Reed. Thanks to everyone at Senkola Sound. You can follow them on Instagram at Senkola Sound.

Speaker 2:
[30:13] Thanks to everyone at Lemonada. And as always, thank you to Gretchen Rubin. Happier in Hollywood is part of The Onward Project.

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Speaker 2:
[30:28] Get in touch. I'm on Instagram and threads at Liz Craft, and Sarah is at S Fain. We also have a Facebook group. Search for Happier in Hollywood on Facebook to join the conversation.

Speaker 1:
[30:38] Until next week, I'm Sarah Fain.

Speaker 2:
[30:40] And I'm Liz Craft. Thanks for joining us. It's a fun job.

Speaker 1:
[30:44] And we enjoy it.

Speaker 5:
[30:56] Sarah, I'm committed. Not totally committed yet, but I'm gonna make a chicken.

Speaker 1:
[31:01] I'm so excited.

Speaker 2:
[31:03] I get the little blurbs, and I'm like, I gotta make one of these.

Speaker 1:
[31:06] Which kind?

Speaker 2:
[31:07] Well, the one that you said today was only a three out of 10 for difficulty, so that would be a good one. The one on the top of the list, Mary.

Speaker 1:
[31:15] Oh, Marcella Hazan. Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[31:18] Should I start with that?

Speaker 1:
[31:19] That one's amazing, not hard, and super, super wonderful, yes. If you want something with more flavors, then both of them in the number two slot are also amazing.

Speaker 5:
[31:29] Is that with like the chili something?

Speaker 1:
[31:31] Yeah. Both of them are maple ones, like maple butter and rosemary, I think, and then the other is chili and maple. It's so good.

Speaker 5:
[31:37] Both amazing.

Speaker 1:
[31:38] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[31:39] Sounds good.

Speaker 1:
[31:40] Okay. Report back, please.