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Speaker 1:
[00:01] Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Corolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist, Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show.

Speaker 2:
[00:15] Yeah, get it on, got to get on the show. It's going to mandate you get it on. Dr. Drew, board certified physician, addiction medicine specialist. How are you doing, Drew?

Speaker 3:
[00:26] I'm good. I got a lot on my mind. We have a guest. Herb Morgan is entrepreneur, politician running for state controller.

Speaker 2:
[00:35] It also says TV star number one on my bio.

Speaker 3:
[00:43] Me too.

Speaker 4:
[00:43] I can't wait. TV star number one.

Speaker 2:
[00:47] It says TV star, entrepreneur and politician.

Speaker 3:
[00:51] I figured.

Speaker 2:
[00:52] Now, pardon me. If you're a TV star, not a household name, TV star.

Speaker 4:
[00:58] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[01:01] But I didn't hear anything about it. Who wrote TV star on here and then why would someone do that? Are you on TV, Herb?

Speaker 4:
[01:08] I am not on television. But I'm willing to learn.

Speaker 3:
[01:15] I skipped over it mostly because I thought, well, it's not relevant to state controller.

Speaker 2:
[01:22] Here's my problem. I think cut and paste causes a lot of problem. Every young person I know cuts and pace and then I end up with a lot of erroneous information.

Speaker 3:
[01:34] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[01:35] Or you just type in TV star that you get from somewhere. But anyway, we'll figure it out.

Speaker 3:
[01:41] Or TV star though, by the way, is the numero uno criticism of people running for state and city offices. Steve Hilton. What does he know? He's a TV star.

Speaker 2:
[01:52] Yeah. No, no. They don't say TV star because that's not a pejorative.

Speaker 3:
[01:56] Fox reporter.

Speaker 2:
[01:56] They go Fox lackey or they'll go reality TV star. Yeah. Well, the president is rallying. Nick, why did you write TV star on this bio? Sorry.

Speaker 5:
[02:10] I use a format from the old bios and it was up there and I must have not deleted it.

Speaker 2:
[02:17] You've got to check your work a little bit closer, Nick.

Speaker 5:
[02:20] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[02:21] Okay. Here we go.

Speaker 3:
[02:23] Sorry about the interview. We're not going to be having it today. We're going to be going around a couple more times about how to use the word program.

Speaker 2:
[02:31] Well, no. I'll tell you the problem with everything. And Drew's this way, too.

Speaker 3:
[02:36] Probably. Whatever you're going to say.

Speaker 2:
[02:39] I am not an insecure person, but the way my wiring works is I look and I see TV star. And then I look up and I go, I don't recognize him from a TV show. And then I think I must have missed his TV show. He must be on some sort of popular show, but I don't watch all the shows. And then I start feeling self-conscious that we're not going to bring up the show.

Speaker 3:
[03:06] So interesting. This difference between you and me. I saw that and went, I don't think that's going to be a relevant piece of information to his running for state controller. And if it is, he'll let me know.

Speaker 2:
[03:17] No, I completely agree. But this is the, if you are known as a TV star and we don't address that part real quick.

Speaker 3:
[03:27] He'll let you know.

Speaker 2:
[03:30] I don't think so. I don't, I don't, I don't.

Speaker 3:
[03:33] I know Herb. Herb would let us know.

Speaker 2:
[03:35] So her.

Speaker 4:
[03:35] I'm practically updating LinkedIn right now.

Speaker 2:
[03:38] What is wrong? I mean, obviously everything's wrong with California. State controller. Well, first off, state controller, what is that job?

Speaker 4:
[03:47] Well, state controller is to shorten it. It's the job that's responsible for the prevention of fraud. It's one of the eight executive elected constitutional offices, controls the flow of money out of the state treasury to the subsidiaries, counties, cities, agencies, etc. Primarily responsible for pre-auditing all payments to make sure the money is not getting stolen and then post-auditing to make sure it didn't get stolen. I mean, that's a very simple explanation, but it's accurate. How is she doing?

Speaker 3:
[04:24] Yeah. The question in my mind is, how did they screw that up so badly?

Speaker 2:
[04:29] Well, look, people have been hovering around the subject for a long time. They go, look, how is it we spend 24 billion on homeless and we don't have any homes built, we don't have any shelters converted, like where is this money going? And then people go, NGOs. And then you kind of go, well, I guess that's a legal form to essentially launder the money. But now it turns out it's not, there's a lot more than a work around. Well, look, within the tax code, there are plenty of legal write offs and you take your daughter's bedroom and you call it your in home office and you write that thing off and everyone does it. And then there's stealing money and not claiming things. And I mean, there's an illegal version of what, and a sort of legal version of almost the same thing. One's illegal. I guess we have both in California.

Speaker 4:
[05:31] This is definitely the latter. In fact, I authored the paper that came up with the, you hear everybody talking about $425 billion. I was the guy who actually did the research, wrote the paper. This is what launched our California Doge initiative that I'm doing with Steve Hilton. And I really think that number is light, because I tried to be as appropriate and conservative as you can be. We went department by department. I used the Legislative Analyst Office reports. I used the governor's own budgets, and I used the state auditor reports. And from that, we came up with just five years, $425 billion fraud, waste, abuse, mismanagement, inefficiency, you name it. It's California state government has become a criminal operation. It is the world's largest money laundering operation. I can't wait to fix it. We got a plan to fix it. But it's very, very sad what's happened to our state.

Speaker 2:
[06:34] It appears that the Democrats are the ones leading the fight against guys like yourself. They weirdly showed their hand with Elon and Doge a year ago or so when they were all coming out. And I thought it was a peculiar weird place to take a stand. You know what I mean? Like these guys are, you know, it's essentially you're selling a home and you go, good, let me get my home inspector over there. He's not coming into my home, you know. Well, why? Something wrong with that? My house is perfect. Well, let him do his job then. No, I don't think so. It's like, okay, something seems wrong. But also you guys, this is what you call a tell. You guys are getting apoplectic about young computer guys trying to save us money. So how-

Speaker 4:
[07:26] Yeah, what they did with Doge was incredibly consequential. And unfortunately, Doge is largely dismantled. California's constitution actually gives us far more authority than Doge ever had. The problem is we've just never used it. And so what the Democrats have been doing is slotting in people that are uniquely unqualified to these jobs. Like literally, everybody, you go online, everybody knew some, knew some, knew some, knew some, banta, banta, true. But they're not responsible for stopping the fraud. It is the controller's sole reason for existence. And no financial background. I spent 39 years in finance on Wall Street. So I kind of know a thing or two about math.

Speaker 2:
[08:12] Oh, wow. Speaking of math, your bio says you're 42. So you started at age three on Wall Street?

Speaker 4:
[08:21] 42 years old. I'm 60 years old. I don't know who the hell gave you this bio. But I like the TV star of 42. That's, that's, that's gold.

Speaker 2:
[08:30] I mean, it's just going to keep going with you. Oh, super girthy dick.

Speaker 6:
[08:36] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[08:36] How do I find that on the Internet?

Speaker 4:
[08:38] Six, four. Do I dunk? I mean, what else can I do?

Speaker 2:
[08:40] I don't know. See, my problem is, is I began saying, Jesus, guys, a TV star. I've never seen him before. And then my next one is, is 42, man. That's some hard living.

Speaker 4:
[08:51] Does it have my time as a Navy SEAL and a fighter pilot?

Speaker 3:
[08:55] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[08:57] Winning the Heisman. I got all the highlights here. The points in the F1 series back in the 07, I think it was.

Speaker 4:
[09:06] I should have worn my green jackets on the Masters for crying out loud.

Speaker 3:
[09:11] But back to my original question, how did she screw this up so badly? How is that?

Speaker 2:
[09:15] Who's she?

Speaker 3:
[09:16] The current controller.

Speaker 4:
[09:19] I really think she was never qualified to begin with. I think what we do-

Speaker 3:
[09:23] But can you look at what she's done and go, oh my God, here's the error, here's the error, here's the error, or she didn't do this? It's one thing to be unqualified. It's another to, she must have to show her work somewhere, and it must be completely worthless.

Speaker 4:
[09:39] Yeah, it is. For example, the job shouldn't be a political job. And so the controller has unlimited audit authority, plenary authority over anybody or anything that touches our money, so agencies, counties, cities, police departments, school libraries, you name it. And she gets to pick and choose where she goes to audit. So there was that little charter school scandal a couple of years back. She went deep there, right? But then there was a public school scandal where they were selling diplomas to Chinese that have never stepped foot in California. Don't audit that one, right? Because she's back by the CTA.

Speaker 2:
[10:13] So California teachers. Yeah. So look, that's the New World Order. The New World Order is Haitians or these migrants or whoever. Somalians. Are they voting for you? Yeah. Okay. That's kind of that's what it feels like.

Speaker 3:
[10:30] It also feels to me. I agree with you. And it also feels to me like there's a there's generally a phenomenon with the government. First of all, not governing and just representing. Secondly, not seemingly understanding that the people are sovereign and they're using our money. But in California in particular, 90% of the money they get is from something like 5 or 10% of the population. So what do they care?

Speaker 4:
[10:58] Right.

Speaker 3:
[10:59] They just don't care because this small percentage of the state is actually handing them the money.

Speaker 4:
[11:06] It's a very small percentage. Our total budget this fiscal year is $320 billion. Put that in perspective, 320 billion seconds would be 10,700 years. Gavin has asked for 350 for next fiscal year. So it's essentially almost a doubling of the state budget in seven years. Yet every metric, every deliverable from education to health care to immigrant services, it's just deteriorated to the point where nobody's satisfied. So how do we go from 185 billion, which is absolutely immense by any measure, to 350 next year and the results are worse? You can only draw one conclusion from that, and that is it's total theft of the resources.

Speaker 3:
[12:01] And don't we have a constitutional obligation to balance our budget? Isn't that in our constitution? What, have they just been ignoring that? And how does that work?

Speaker 4:
[12:10] Yeah, so we've actually redefined the word balance budget. This is the beautiful thing about California politics. You guys are here, so you know this. You know, they change the meaning of words all the time. What is a woman? So about 25 years ago, the state controller said, hey, you guys didn't authorize a balanced budget. It's the constitutional law. I'm gonna withhold your pay. So instead of just balancing the budget, they actually went to court. They got a judge to tell them that you can define balanced any way you want. So what they do is they budget and they assume they're gonna draw the reserve funds that we all voted for for rainy day for recession. We're gonna draw those reserve funds down to zero in the budget process. If we actually hit a recession mid-year, then we'll cut services. And so the state controller challenged the legislature at the time. And of course, they went to a liberal appointed judge. They said, no, you can define balanced any way you want. It's just, it's shocking. I don't know if you guys saw the O'Keefe video last week. Well, Bismarck Obando, he's the number two at the controller's office. He was on a blind date, and by the looks of the guy hasn't had many dates, and he's got his wine going, and he's bragging about, we just don't do the audits. A hundred percent, there's fraud everywhere. We don't want to find out, the politicians don't want us to find out, so we just don't do them.

Speaker 3:
[13:48] Wow. Wow. Well, let me ask some question. I mean, I mean to ask somebody. Why are, given NGOs are clearly the primary laundering mechanism, why are they allowed to continue?

Speaker 4:
[14:01] I don't know if they're primary, but I think they have the highest loss rate. So the NGOs, particularly around the homeless services, many of the arrests that have been made, not by our own attorney general, by the US. Attorney Bill Aseley, right? Rob Bonta's crew is not prosecuting these crimes at all. Those are in the neighborhood of 70% of the grant received in the ones that were arrested, that went to Range Rovers and private jets and private schools and everything else. And then there's just another different percentage in all the programs. The biggest program, dollar-wise, is Medi-Cal, which is our version of Medicaid. Dr. Drew, you know about that, obviously. The Edd, the Employment Development Department, $55 billion over five years. CalFresh, which is our administration of the federal SNAP program, which used to be called Food Stamps. That one I've got at $25 billion. And I mean, I can just go down the line and it's going to add up to $425 billion.

Speaker 3:
[15:02] But why NGOs? Why don't we undermine the capacity to do this? Why do we allow these NGOs to exist? Or why don't we change the structure of what that thing that's called an NGO is?

Speaker 4:
[15:14] Well, you're on to something there. So the NGOs, just so everybody understands, the way we deliver homeless services is not the way we deliver police services, right? So we have a police department, they are employees of our cities. But with homeless services, we just grant money to NGOs. And because we're so rich and our budget is so big, we've gotten really good at handing money to people and say take care of this problem. But what we failed to do was put in proper controls, right? So financial controls of an NGO receiving a $25 million grant should be we get to see every transaction that you do every single day, right? And of course, there are great NGOs that are not ripping the public off, that are providing reliable services, and we don't want to harm them or dissuade them, right?

Speaker 3:
[16:08] I haven't seen those. I don't.

Speaker 2:
[16:09] Well, you don't hear them. They don't make the news.

Speaker 3:
[16:11] I really haven't seen one.

Speaker 2:
[16:13] I have a...

Speaker 7:
[16:13] I'm sure they're out there.

Speaker 2:
[16:14] Listen, I have a different approach to this, which is if you build it, they will come. If you put out all of these services, if you say, look, if your kid's on the spectrum of autism, you're going to find a lot of kids on the spectrum of autism. Every single thing is dogs at the airport. There were zero dogs at the airport because they didn't allow dogs at the airport. And then they said, we'll allow seeing eye dogs. And that was fine. And then at some point it turned into service dog. And then you got a bunch of dumb yentas and dogs. It's a fucking kennel now because you opened it up. It's not what they're doing. They are taking advantage of this system. They're not even lawbreakers in a sense. We know they're full of shit because their dog has a bedazzled leash and it's 14 feet long. And the dog's obviously not providing a service, just like your kid is not autistic. But we did it to ourselves. We opened it up. We have so many services and so much bullshit that everyone is gaming the system. But it's not, they're not criminals. They're just people who want to fly with their dogs.

Speaker 4:
[17:30] In many cases, they are criminals, and we know that now.

Speaker 2:
[17:32] No, in many, but lots of it is just folk wanting in on something. We made it too easy for people to get free food. We made it super easy. Sign your kid up to school, check this box, we'll just get free food.

Speaker 3:
[17:52] The government should not be so involved in our lives.

Speaker 2:
[17:54] Right, the government should not be so involved.

Speaker 3:
[17:56] If the airport wants a loud dog, that airport should figure out if they want to allow dogs and how.

Speaker 2:
[18:03] Sorry. All right. We'll take a quick break. Hang on Herb. When we come back, we'll ask her about these young TV stars. Usually, they're tutored on set. How did he get so much information? All right, we'll do that right after this. This is Adam Corolla from The Adam Corolla Show. If you care about soccer, you care about moments. And the road to the 2026 World Cup starts here this week. As test matches get on their way, as we host some of the biggest names in the sport, BetOnline is where real soccer betting lives. Global markets, sharp odds, and player props built for fans who follow more than just the headlines. BetOnline gives you live betting and in-game odds that shift with every goal, every card, every turning point. As teams fight for their place on the world stage, BetOnline keeps you locked into the action. From early qualification drama to final spots being claimed, it doesn't stop on the pitch. BetOnline Casino and VIP Rewards keeps the momentum going long after the final whistle. The road is long and this is where the story starts. BetOnline, the game starts here.

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Speaker 2:
[21:10] All right, so Herb Morgan is back running for state controller, California. Yeah, it's a weird kind of twilight zone we're living in because I am saying to everyone, this is a shit show. This is a mess. Don't you want to fix it? And basically, California, it's just a sort of Democrat supermajority is fighting.

Speaker 3:
[21:35] Fixing it.

Speaker 2:
[21:36] Yeah, they want to stop Nick Shirley.

Speaker 3:
[21:39] Yeah, they want to stop the auditing and stop the reporters that find it. So it doesn't exist.

Speaker 2:
[21:45] To be fair to the Democrats.

Speaker 3:
[21:47] It's consistent.

Speaker 2:
[21:48] It's consistent. If enough kids from a certain group are failing in a certain subject.

Speaker 3:
[21:54] Don't test.

Speaker 2:
[21:55] They want to get rid of testing.

Speaker 3:
[21:56] Yeah, give it a grade.

Speaker 2:
[21:57] So they essentially want to get rid of the reason. It's basically you're morbidly obese, get rid of the scale.

Speaker 3:
[22:04] Whatever system detects the problem in their ideological frame.

Speaker 2:
[22:10] They want to get rid of that. Which is a way to get rid of the problem. I mean, in a certain sense. I mean, if your house is riddled with termites, if your house is riddled with termites and you don't have a termite inspector, you won't see the termite. Then you have a clean bill of termite health. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[22:30] Yeah. I mean, there's an old expression, what gets measured gets done. What doesn't get measured is not a problem, right? And that is a business axiom. It is absolutely true in the state of California. You hit it. You nailed it on the head. We have this thing called in-home health services program, right? So Herb, who's not 42, is feeling a little old and in need of some health care. So his buddy Adam comes over and signs up to provide in-home care to Herb. But Herb provides in-home care to Adam. And so we both get a little check in addition to our unemployment check. And then we have to join the union. So all those in-home health care services people, and the number of people and the money we're spending is going up 15% a year. Like we don't have our populations going down 1% a year. But to your exact point, Adam, it's now 15% more people than last year, paying union dues into SEIU. And then SEIU just turns around and funds all the Democrat politicians. So they don't have to do the rubber chicken fundraising dinners and to beg for the donations at herbmorgan.com that I have to do every freaking day.

Speaker 3:
[23:40] The third up is the in-home, this is really how government Fs everything up. The in-home supportive services are a good idea, right? It's a good idea. We want to keep people in their home.

Speaker 2:
[23:50] Let me just snap real quick. Everything is a good idea.

Speaker 3:
[23:52] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[23:53] In essence, you know, we don't want kids to go hungry. That's all a good idea. It doesn't, it gets exploited almost immediately. Go ahead, sir.

Speaker 3:
[24:03] So Adam does this. The bad, so you think, well, the government is what's screwing this up. They require the union and the ED. Everybody's got to be involved. So let's fund somebody in the private sector. We'll call them NGOs and we'll let them administrate this and it gets even worse. So the government needs to change how it operates in some way. It's just, it's something is very, very, just something's wrong. In terms of this, we have a good idea. We'll operationalize it. All the laws and regulations on top of it ruin it. So then we handed it to a private sector and they just launder money. So how do we, how do you fix that? And A, that's A question. B question, how did you get talked into this? This seems like a horrible job.

Speaker 4:
[24:45] So I actually have a plan and that's why I'm running. I actually was researching this because I want to, I can say a fuck, I think I can say it on your show, right?

Speaker 3:
[24:56] It's over your shoulder. We're looking at it.

Speaker 4:
[24:58] It is, but it's over my shoulder. And I was getting near retirement. I just retired a couple of weeks ago from 39 years in finance as the state is too great, too many resources, all the stuff we know. How do we, what's the problem? The problem is financial. So I got on a plane, I flew up, this was a year ago to the GOP convention. And I, and I set a meeting with the chairwoman at the time. And I said, the key to fixing the status through the controller's office and nobody knows it. And she goes, I don't know it. What are you talking about? And I explained it to her. I explained, this is the office with the actual authority to fix the state. And she says, great. When do you want to run? And I laughed. I said, no, I want to support whoever it is. I'll make a donation and all that. I flew back to San Diego and I was playing golf with a buddy of mine who was a former Navy SEAL. We started talking about service and I said, I could never serve the way you served. And he said, yes, you can go run and fix the state. And I never served in the military. I regret that.

Speaker 3:
[25:54] You know what, Herb, I have a friend who's a former Army Ranger and he did the same damn thing to me. He goes, I served, now it's your time. You're some country needs you. It gets under your skin when people talk to you like that.

Speaker 4:
[26:06] Especially if you've had four Guinness and three Bourbons after an 18-hole round. And this guy got me and now I'm into this. I'm a year in. But I did write a plan. And the plan is called radical transparency. So it's real simple. The controller has authority to mandate the method of financial reporting. We have not updated the method and technology of financial reporting since the 1879 Constitution. She sits in her office and people mail like a binder and say, here's our financials. And the NGOs, they don't even do that. The NGOs get an attestation. It's an email. I attest that I didn't steal the money. There's no verification. So I go to Starbucks and I buy a cup of coffee and my phone sends me a trans action report. So I tell everybody on the campaign trail that I'm the trans candidate, right? I'm going to get a transaction report. And so as a condition of releasing the money, I'm going to mandate transaction level reporting on a daily basis. Doesn't cost more, no more people are needed, no biogender diversity studies are needed. You simply have a secure electronic connection from the recipient of the funds to the entity that granted the funds. That's the state controller's office. So every time they swipe their credit card, they do an ACH debit, a wire, a check, a payroll deposit. The trans action is written to a blockchain ledger. The blockchain ledger is immutable and unhackable. It's available open source, anybody in the public, kids at Caltech, UCLA, Stanford, any researcher, home economist, a PTA mother can see every transaction in the state that happens every day. We have the technology, it's scalable, it's super cheap. I could do it with half the staff they currently have in the controller's office. And suddenly, sunlight is the great disinfectant. Like when the guy, right? When the guy wires $2 million to Amex out of his NGO's checking account, or when the guy buys a $7 million Brentwood mansion with his NGO checking account, every one of those transactions is recorded and it's public. That's step one. We can do it quickly and I can require it. I've had, I got the legal opinions on this and say, okay, well, if everybody sees every transaction, to the extent they're interested, how do we then analyze that data? Well, now AI is so powerful and so scalable and so good. There are companies right now that you can hire to come into your business and they'll scan five years worth of bank statements and tell you how you could have saved $20 million. In an hour, they can do this.

Speaker 3:
[28:54] Is any other state doing anything like this?

Speaker 4:
[28:57] No. This is all in my silly little brain. Now I'm out there trying to tell everybody in the state that will listen to me about it. I've been to a lot of rubber chicken dinners and coffee, breakfasts in the back of a Chinese buffet. I was in the Chinese buffet in Torrance last night, telling people this is how we unfuck California. It's called radical transparency. Every transaction, every day. Then we use AI to analyze it. So I put it on a white paper on my website, herbmorgan.com. The white paper is pretty clear. We're going to have a thing called the Transparency War Room. I think NASA control meets Wall Street Trading Desk. I came from the Wall Street side. All the data comes in 24-7, and AI analyzes it and compiles it. And so when I come in the next morning as the controller, my team, or the auditors come in, it's already flagged 50 things for us to look at. Like right now we're on MS-DOS basically doing nothing. We don't want to find the fraud as evidenced by the Bismarck Obama video. And I'm thinking this is insane because I think there's 25-30 percent in the state budget. We could cut and deliver higher level services. Like who could possibly be opposed to that?

Speaker 2:
[30:16] Well, I mean, listen, look, it is become us versus them. And we're at a point where most Democrats were praying that that downed pilot was not found in Iran. That's where we're at. And I hate to sound like a Debbie Downer, but I am telling you, most Democrats wanted to see that guy paraded down the main street in Tehran. I swear that's what they want. We're now at the point where we're no longer into love of country, we're into hatred of Trump and Republicans. So you want to know why are they against Nick Shirley? Why are they against Elon Musk? Why are they against the Doge guys? They're not against them, they're against Trump. And those guys are for Trump. And that's where we're at. They wanted that pilot not to be found.

Speaker 3:
[31:18] I know.

Speaker 2:
[31:20] I wouldn't have said that 20 years ago. I'll say it now. So they don't want any of this shit to work because it's coming. You just heard Gavin Newsom had that thing where he's like, he did this great speech and that's Newsom at his best. Oh, this thing Dr. Oz is doing. That's just, we've been at this for years. Welcome to the party, Oz. We've been doing this. He acts like he's been doing it and Oz is brand new to it.

Speaker 3:
[31:46] If that's true, you've been completely ineffective and incompetent.

Speaker 2:
[31:49] Of course, of course. But last question, Herb. I know. We're at a point where it's essentially, we're getting a divorce and the woman is so pissed off, she wants to give all the money to the lawyers. And you're going, how about the kids? And they go, fuck you. And that's where, and you go, but why? But don't you want the, I don't, fuck you is what I, that's what I want is fuck you. And that's, that's what happens. By the way, women do this much more than men do. We got a lot of women in California. So last question of the Bullet Train. That one seems insane to me, but how does that one work?

Speaker 4:
[32:33] So the Bullet Train is what we call a mega project, a big CapEx mega project. Total cost overruns, no track laid. Originally it was San Francisco to Anaheim. Now it's first said to Bakersfield and it's not getting built. The feds pulled the money because of mismanagement. Here's the crazy thing about that. If the governor were to pick up the phone and call the high-speed rail CEO and say, hey, are you out of jail after your domestic violence arrest? Can we talk? And he'd talk and they'd say, hey, send me the checkbook. I want to see what you guys have done. Legally, the high-speed rail CEO can say no. There's only one person in the entirety of state government that they can't say no to. It's the controller. That's why it's the key if we're going to take it back. And then just one thing, Adam, everything you said about Democrats is true, but it's the Democrat leaders and electeds. I don't think it applies to their voters. And I don't think it applies to the MPP voters. I think they've been misled and hoodwinked, and it's up to us to sell them a better product. And I think we have a better product right now. You know, the no-party preference voters, 78% are former Republicans. So I gotta get this word out. I gotta get people on board. But we can fix this state. Money and finance is the cause of the problem. It's also the solution to the problem.

Speaker 2:
[34:00] I would clarify it even more. I don't think you have a better product. You have a product.

Speaker 3:
[34:07] You have something.

Speaker 2:
[34:07] They don't have a product. Their product is status quo something. You can look at it. Well, is it the homeless situation? Is it the potholes in the roads? Is it infrastructure? Is it education? Is it the bullet train? Is it the dirt mound that's going to go over the freeway? So that the bobcats and the butterflies. Okay. The way I perceive it is you don't have a product. Your product is a status quo. Your product is not getting fired. That's essentially what their product is. Nothing is coming out the other end. I'm not seeing any...

Speaker 3:
[34:45] I'm representing, dude. I'm not governing. I'm representing. I have one last question. Have you thought about going to Scott? I think the blockchain thing is such a great idea. Have you thought about going to Basant and just sharing that with him, seeing if that's something they could use?

Speaker 2:
[34:58] Who's Basant?

Speaker 4:
[34:58] I look forward to you guys making that look up.

Speaker 2:
[35:01] All right, Drew, what do you?

Speaker 3:
[35:03] I thought everyone knew who he is.

Speaker 2:
[35:04] Everyone knows who Basant is. No, you don't say Scott. You know Basant is? You know Basant is? Ask everyone that's building. They know who Basant is.

Speaker 3:
[35:13] To me, that's an indictment on this country, by the way. I thought everyone knew.

Speaker 2:
[35:17] Scott Besson?

Speaker 3:
[35:18] Basant, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[35:18] Scott Besson is the Treasury Secretary.

Speaker 2:
[35:20] You're not even pronouncing his name right, Drew.

Speaker 3:
[35:22] I've talked with the guy. I used that presentation to his face.

Speaker 2:
[35:26] I've said to you 10,000 times, would you put a stupid title under whatever? Basant.

Speaker 3:
[35:33] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[35:33] All right.

Speaker 4:
[35:34] Drew, please connect me with the Secretary of the Treasury. I would like that very much.

Speaker 3:
[35:38] Yes, that'd be amazing.

Speaker 4:
[35:39] I'd be happy to share.

Speaker 3:
[35:40] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[35:41] All right. Talk to Basant. All right. Herb, what's the website one more time?

Speaker 4:
[35:47] It is herbmorgan.com and all the socials are at herb, the number four controller. Give us a visit, give us a tweet, all the good stuff.

Speaker 2:
[35:59] Look forward to seeing you on Nickelodeon. Reruns, of course. Young Herb.

Speaker 4:
[36:07] TV star.

Speaker 2:
[36:08] Godspeed. Say hi to Steve Hilton.

Speaker 3:
[36:10] Yeah, please.

Speaker 2:
[36:11] Who's a candidate for governor. See what I did there?

Speaker 4:
[36:14] And my running mate. I will see him later to see him.

Speaker 2:
[36:17] Give him my love. Tell him I made, you can't forget this. Tell him I made chicken paprikash the other night and it was killer.

Speaker 4:
[36:25] That's a Hungarian dish, I take it?

Speaker 2:
[36:27] Yes, it is. He'll know exactly what you mean. All right, we'll take a quick break. We'll be right back after this.

Speaker 4:
[36:34] Thanks, guys.

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Speaker 3:
[37:38] All right, in any event, there's some other stories I want to talk about. You saw Trump. Can I say Trump without saying President Trump? I'm giving you a shit. Give me a break. Do you already accuse me of not being a human being for you to judge who I need to identify and who not?

Speaker 2:
[37:58] I have made a huge deal my entire career over people. Let me explain the extreme version of Radio Bad. The extreme version is when somebody walks around and they walk into the control booth, and then you do the, I know that dude, and then you continue on. That's the extreme version. The second extreme version is women, kids, and old dudes. When you interview them, they go like, well, I'm sitting around, I'm talking to Gus Periwinkle. Gus says to me, and I go, no one knows who that, oh, he runs the, he was the team owner for the, whatever team. I go, okay, just say I was talking to the team owner. Because no one knows who Gus Periwinkle is, right? Women do that all the time, kids do it, and old dudes just rattle off fucking names that you've never heard of. That's, my whole thing is, I need the title and the clarity. But we don't need Trump. We don't. But Kurt Cobain doesn't get called Kurt.

Speaker 3:
[39:10] Right.

Speaker 2:
[39:10] He's got to be called. Now, there is a version that even I don't even like, but you can be talking about Nirvana for 20 minutes and go, I spoke to Kurt, and that'll do.

Speaker 3:
[39:20] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[39:21] But I still want Kurt Cobain.

Speaker 3:
[39:22] No, you're absolutely correct about that piece. And ultimately, the old guy piece is, it's such a part of their cultural landscape for so long, it may have been 20 years ago, that they are not aware of the fact that 20 years has gone on, since that person was...

Speaker 2:
[39:42] Nobody ever knew who that guy was.

Speaker 3:
[39:44] No, no, I understand.

Speaker 2:
[39:45] That's the problem.

Speaker 3:
[39:46] Oh, in the real world?

Speaker 2:
[39:47] In the real world. But they, no, no one ever knew, no one really knew who those guys were, but they keep talking anyway. And then what, like Elaine Kulati comes in here, and she'll be talking about city councilmen and district selectmen and stuff, and I'll go, no, people don't know the name. I have to say district, just say district selectmen.

Speaker 3:
[40:08] No, all you have to keep the listeners' point of view in mind. Yes. And it's kind of a narcissism when you don't. So I agree with you a thousand percent on that. However, I've explained to you before, the walking in the room stuff was a style of radio in the 80s.

Speaker 2:
[40:23] Yeah, I know. I get, you do your renegade radio.

Speaker 3:
[40:26] No, but I just, it's in my head, you know, it's part of my...

Speaker 2:
[40:31] Yeah, yeah, I'm not going to...

Speaker 3:
[40:32] Let me talk about this one thing, which is that Trump signed some sort of another executive action to allow testing and maybe use of psychedelic drugs. I haven't seen the exact order yet, but it's a good thing. I mean, it's a good thing that we have testing. This has been coming for a long time. I know some very fine colleagues that use psilocybin, particularly with great results, they claim, they report. Ibogaine, Ibogaine is not going to prove what people think it is. My patients have been using it for decades, and thus far, I shared, Dr. Bruce, I shared some notes with him. He had the exact same experience. People go, they use it, they stop doing opiates for about four to six months, and then they go back. They go back hard sometimes because they're not doing any program. It may have some utility, we may figure out how to use it, and good, we're going to start asking the questions. Is it good? Is it bad? What are the risks and how do you use it? It's about time. Why it has taken so long is to me not big pharma, it's just our weird fucked up cultural attitudes about chemicals. These are bad, they're dangerous, they're psychedelic. Remember, it's from the 60s. We made marijuana a psychedelic, and something that should never be in round humans.

Speaker 2:
[41:48] What happened to microdosing?

Speaker 3:
[41:50] It's around big time, and people got hurt by it, I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[41:54] Listen, diet and exercise.

Speaker 3:
[41:58] Of course.

Speaker 2:
[41:59] Cold plunges, hikes in the woods, breaking a sweat, getting up all the saunas, just the stuff everyone's known, everyone's done, Romans did it, you know what I mean? That kind of stuff, literally just sit in a sauna for 10 minutes, then go take the cold plunge and hit the workout and whatever, and just do your thing. Mixed also with like some successes, some ideas, you know, hey, I wrote a, I always want to write a cookbook, and I wrote a cookbook, you know, that kind of stuff. I don't like the outsourcing of sanity. I don't like it. I know everyone is looking for something.

Speaker 3:
[42:41] Say that differently so people receive it, because it sounds like the opposite of sanity is insane. We're not talking about that. We're talking about being a human, like being healthy as a human. It shouldn't be outsourced. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[42:54] Well, it shouldn't come in a pill. It should be hard.

Speaker 3:
[42:58] It should be hard to be a good human.

Speaker 2:
[43:00] It needs some work. It's all really coming down. For me, it's the whole delayed gratification part. And this fucking Grubhub and Next Day Delivery and 24 hours drive-through, the fast food open 24 hours, we have fucked up our delayed gratification part. And it is screwing up young people badly. And it's screwing up society badly. And then there's just another medication. Get out, get your fucking hands dirty and get busy. Now, the problem is, is no one can do it anymore. They've kind of lost their... Well, look, if you said to anybody, let's just use my $10,000 rule. If you have to jog, you have to walk five miles a day every day before work. And at the end of the week, if you make it to Sunday, I'll give you $10,000. Then everyone does it. Right. All right. So we all know you can do it. Right. Because I just offered you $10,000. Right. And you did it.

Speaker 3:
[44:05] So you're bringing up something you and I talk a lot about, which is that no one talks about human motivation, what an important system that is in our brain, and how we have to learn to master it, and we have to learn to amplify good motivation, and to suppress bad motivation.

Speaker 2:
[44:21] I don't know if people work this way. And I would be curious. I work with a...

Speaker 3:
[44:30] Chuck, these are pearls being dropped. Listen carefully.

Speaker 2:
[44:32] Oh, Chuck's doing it. I work in a motivational way, which is, if I know I'm going out to a steakhouse that night, I literally don't eat that day, because I'm looking forward to this payoff. And if somebody brought sub sandwiches for lunch and brought a hole, I would be frustrated and go, God, I don't want to eat this. You know, and it'd be like a battle or something. And I really can enjoy a Saturday off, and I can do nothing for that Saturday and not beat myself up. I mean, I can be drinking a beer in my bathrobe at noon on a Saturday because I've worked the last four Saturdays, and now I can do this. If I didn't, though, it would fuck me up. So I don't know why more people don't just sort of put that thing out in the distance and tough it out a little bit, and then reward yourself. And then repeat the cycle.

Speaker 3:
[45:38] The other thing that bothers me, in addition to just, you know, working hard at being a good human, and it should be hard, right? Is we've all said that at the same time, we've lost track of what actually is sick. When somebody's actually sick, we're like, hey, come on, must be the vaccine. And you need to try this, you know, thistle. It'll help you be better. It's like, no, no, no, there are sick people. People have always gotten sick, and they need help. And there's people that know how to do that.

Speaker 2:
[46:10] Yeah, but everyone, everyone is just over...

Speaker 3:
[46:13] We've lost track of what it is.

Speaker 2:
[46:14] Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3:
[46:15] No, no, no, we've lost track of what sick is.

Speaker 2:
[46:16] Everyone has great anxiety.

Speaker 3:
[46:18] Dude, that's the point. It's not sick. Somebody gets, somebody's psychotic, they go homeless. It's just living their best life. They're homeless.

Speaker 2:
[46:25] All right. I don't know why, but there's a great Cory Booker clip that he's the, I don't know, what is his title? Cory Booker.

Speaker 3:
[46:35] Senator Cory Booker.

Speaker 2:
[46:36] Yeah, I guess. And then there's a Kamala Harris clip too, which I wanted to play because the reason I was interested in it is, when you talk to Herb Morgan, he's got a plan.

Speaker 3:
[46:50] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[46:51] And everyone else on the Democrat side's plan is to stand up and fight.

Speaker 3:
[46:56] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[46:56] And to push back, which is super attractive to dumb people and women, and fat black women love it. It's like their favorite thing, stand up and fight. And then we're going to fight. Everyone's going to fight. I don't really want to fight. I want the plan part. You know what I mean? Like, I want to know what the plan is. But now that's attract... And by the way, it's attractive to old dumb white chicks too. Like, we're going to fight. What do you...

Speaker 3:
[47:26] I would argue...

Speaker 2:
[47:26] You're standing in front of a Tesla dealership in Burbank at noon on a Saturday. What exactly is going on? And by the way, that was nine months ago and you didn't get anything done. So who gives a shit?

Speaker 3:
[47:38] Well, I would argue that the white women don't get anything done. The black women do get stuff done. It's just not going in the right direction. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[47:47] They get shit done for them and it fucks up their community.

Speaker 3:
[47:50] We should funnel that in a good way. But these guys take advantage of it.

Speaker 2:
[47:54] Like Cory Booker. Here goes Cory.

Speaker 7:
[47:56] Ladies and gentlemen, there is a storm in our nation. There is darkness and wind. People are getting hurt. What we need is not from on high. We need foot soldiers of our democracy, who in times of trial are willing to stand up. Will you stand for our democracy? Will you stand to get out the vote? Will you stand for our children? Will you stand up for our elders? And will you stand together, unified, strong, be the hope that people need? We are Democrats. It's time for a new deal. It's time to redeem the dream of America. Thank you. God bless you.

Speaker 3:
[48:41] I don't mind rhetorical flares. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[48:44] Well, shut up.

Speaker 3:
[48:46] I really don't. Everyone stood up. It's all done now. They stood up.

Speaker 2:
[48:49] I know. They stood.

Speaker 3:
[48:50] They would.

Speaker 2:
[48:51] Most of them are more really obese, so that'll difficulty standing. But they got up. And then the problem is solved. So, well, here's the whole point. California is going to elect him instead of Herb for state controller, and then you're going to be fucked.

Speaker 3:
[49:07] It's always been that way. reteriticians get in.

Speaker 2:
[49:10] That's not even great, though. You've got to be dumb for that to appeal to you. You have to be. You have to be.

Speaker 3:
[49:19] But have you ever studied rhetoric?

Speaker 2:
[49:21] No, but I'll tell you this.

Speaker 3:
[49:23] The rhetoric has like three components. One is just emotion. That's it.

Speaker 2:
[49:27] Well, look, it's all chick thing. It's all emotional. Let me tell you something about rhetoric, Drew.

Speaker 3:
[49:31] Yes, Adam.

Speaker 2:
[49:33] Rhetoric, when the coach shows up for his first day of practice and gives a rousing speech about bringing the school back to number one and annihilating Notre Dame this year, that's fine. And it's fine for excitement and a standing ovation.

Speaker 3:
[49:51] That's all it is.

Speaker 2:
[49:52] When you're getting into year 22 of a season where you lose every fucking year to Notre Dame, then I'm worried about, then the rhetoric is different. But this is different.

Speaker 3:
[50:07] What if somebody with a plan developed rhetoric like that and got the ear of a good population?

Speaker 2:
[50:12] Right. But the guys with the plans don't have the rhetoric. I know.

Speaker 3:
[50:15] That's a problem. Why don't we teach them to get up with a flare?

Speaker 2:
[50:18] Well, no, that's Trump.

Speaker 3:
[50:20] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[50:20] All right. So let's listen to Kamala from the other day.

Speaker 10:
[50:25] This country is ours. It doesn't belong to whoever is in the White House.

Speaker 3:
[50:34] I agree with that.

Speaker 10:
[50:35] It belongs to you. It belongs to us. It belongs to we, the people.

Speaker 3:
[50:44] Agreed. All right.

Speaker 2:
[50:46] So there we go. But anyway, Herb's got a plan, is what I'm saying. You guys want to stand up and fight.

Speaker 3:
[50:52] And by the way, if somebody like Kamala would hire a Herb, I'd be happy.

Speaker 2:
[50:55] They would never work with someone like that. Right. Now, I've told you a million times, the rhetoric satiates and satisfies, and that's the problem. My mom would hear her speech, go home and feel like something got done, and nothing will get done. All right. Friday, Saturday, May 8th, 9th, Las Vegas over at Kimmel's Club, and then four shows. And then Thursday, when I get back, May 14th, Covina, and then Friday, May 15th, Basalia, California, Fox Zero. That's a good place.

Speaker 3:
[51:28] Interesting.

Speaker 2:
[51:28] Saturday, 16th, Modesto, California.

Speaker 3:
[51:30] Take that fast train to Modesto.

Speaker 2:
[51:32] Oh, they should be just putting the finishing touches on that. Just a light coat of carnauba wax so it cheats the wind, Drew. I'll be at the Modesto State Theater. It'll be Saturday, May 16th. I'll go to the merch store. We got some cool stuff there. What do you got, Drew?

Speaker 3:
[51:47] Go to drdrew.com.

Speaker 2:
[51:49] Go to adamcorolla.com. Till next time, I'm Dr. Drew and Herb Morgan saying mahalo.

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