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Speaker 3:
[01:32] You're listening to Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe.
Speaker 2:
[01:37] Hey, Vinos, real quick, if you are listening right now, which obviously you are, you wouldn't be hearing this, can you hit the subscribe or follow button on whatever platform you're on? Please, that one simple thing helps more than you even realize. It allows me to keep growing on this podcast and making these episodes the best they can possibly be, obviously for you. That's the only favor I'm gonna ever ask, okay? It truly means the world to me. Thank you. Now let's get into it. Okay, Vinos, welcome back to part two of my conversation with Ken Rideout. I love this conversation. If you haven't listened to part one yet, pause this and go back because you're gonna want the full story leading into this. In this part, we get even deeper into everything, his mindset, the defining moments, and honestly, some of the most powerful takeaways from our entire conversation. So let's get right back into it. For people like who are such go-getters, I feel like it's so important to have both, like you are such a go-getter in work and business and exercise, and to match that with like a go-getter and trying to be a better person all the time is really important. So I'm glad that you are into that.
Speaker 4:
[02:35] Thank you. But I would say that the go-getter and all the kinds of things that you just said, those are survival tools. Like when I haven't lived my life like that, I hope people will listen to this. I get it. On the surface, I can seem very aggressive and a go-getter and I'm doing all this. When I haven't done that and stayed on the gas and being aggressive with everything that I do, I'm looking for relief through drugs and other shortcuts. And the easy road has never paid well. The only road that has paid me any dividends has been the road that is difficult. And I tell my kids, the road to heaven feels like hell, and the road to hell feels like heaven. But they both end up in very different places. Always take the harder choice.
Speaker 2:
[03:19] That's a good lesson.
Speaker 4:
[03:20] It's the truth. It is the truth. Well, if you want to be fit, you have to work out and eat right and it isn't easy.
Speaker 2:
[03:28] Right.
Speaker 4:
[03:28] That's why when you see someone that's fit, it's novel. You respect them. You're like, if nothing else, that person knows grit, determination, and they know the power of delayed gratification.
Speaker 2:
[03:38] Yes.
Speaker 4:
[03:38] Because you do not see results this week, next week, maybe even three weeks. It's months of showing up, diligently working, running down a dark hallway where you're like, where is the effing light?
Speaker 2:
[03:49] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[03:49] And even when you see the light, to me, the greatest compliment when I go anywhere and someone's like, wow, you're in really good shape. There's a part of me that's like, I could be better.
Speaker 2:
[03:57] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[03:57] So it's like a blessing and a curse. When I look at you, I think of someone who's like the most gritty and determined. Like all the things that you've done is crazy. Because like, I mean, listen, there are lots of girls out there. And I think it's I think it's very difficult for women like to to be taken, considered gritty and and like aggressive without. And look, you aren't without getting like pushback from people on the Internet, because when people give you pushback or a negative towards you, I always think to myself like that. Telling me the hater is telling me more about themselves than you. They're like they hate something about you that is missing in their own life, because no one who's successful would look at you and be like, I don't like her. Why? Because she's on every show. That's that's cool. She's hustling. She's trying. She's putting herself out there. I think that people just think it's easy to just show up, get on TV, be yourself and like get the negative pushback that you can get. When I'm like, you think that she has some special superpower, that she's immune to this negativity and this hatred? What's the purpose of trying to hurt someone's feelings? It drives me crazy when I hear that I'm like, if you don't like her, go off and don't comment at all. Why tell me that you're a jealous, insecure buzzard? All you have to do is keep it scrolling. Yeah. Why? How can bored are you that you have time to disparage someone else? I wish I had enough time to even look through social media. Never mind. Stop. Post something nasty and be like, what do they do? Do they call their friends after and be like, Sally, look at what I said about Kaitlyn. I got her good. I got her with a zinger. I got her good. Yeah. You know what? Would it make you feel better if you actually did hurt her feelings and you made her cry? What? Now what? Do you feel like you got a gold star for that?
Speaker 2:
[05:40] That's what I always wanted. My question would always be if I was to ever have an interaction, which this would never happen with a troll in real life because they would never say this in real life, would it just be like, OK, and like what?
Speaker 4:
[05:52] What did I do to you?
Speaker 2:
[05:53] Yeah. What is your purpose here? Do you feel better now?
Speaker 4:
[05:56] That's right.
Speaker 2:
[05:57] Yeah. What is it? But it's like, thank you for saying all those things about being gritty because I think, like you said, your wins blew up and now people get to read this book of so many losses that you've had and what you actually went through to have these big wins. I think a lot of people on social media just see other people's wins and don't see their struggles. I was just part of something where I was finding myself so critical of other women, and as soon as they opened up and I heard anything about their childhood, I immediately loved them because I was like, oh my God, this explains so much. This is why you are the way you are. Then that's how my mindset is with trolls. I'm just like, you poor thing. I feel so sorry for whatever life you've had to live that you are in this position where you're not taking your wins and doing something with your life. You are actually just sitting at home miserable, being angry at other people's wins.
Speaker 4:
[06:47] Watching other people do the things that you wish you would do.
Speaker 2:
[06:49] That you wish, exactly.
Speaker 4:
[06:50] I don't know if you feel this way, but again, with my book, I'm like, anyone who doesn't like something about me or feels like that is unrealistic or anything negative, I'm like, you realize that everything I have is available to everyone. I have nothing special. And I'm sure that you probably think to the women who might be negative, like you realize you can go and try out for these shows. You can go do dancing with stars. You can change your life. You can start a business. People would rather disparage someone else than take the risk of going to do something big and failing. If you don't fail, you're not even trying.
Speaker 2:
[07:23] It's the people who succeed or the people who are not afraid to fail and do it over and over again until they succeed.
Speaker 4:
[07:29] That's the secret to all of this is if you're afraid to embarrass yourself and you're afraid of to get negative pushback from other people, you are losing before you even start. Because at the end of the day, your opinion of yourself is the only opinion that matters. We all get caught up in it. I don't want to see people talk shit about me, but they will. This guy sent me this really nice email to my business website of all places. So strange. But he's like, hey, I worked with you during this period. And I got to be honest, I'm really sorry. I thought you were a real dick. And he's like, I really didn't like you. And I wasn't very nice to you, but I'm so sorry. I had no idea what you were going through and what you had gone through. And I'm so proud of everything. It was like the nicest thing ever. But part of me was like, yeah, you were a dick. I ought to punch you in your face. But then I was like, at least here.
Speaker 2:
[08:15] The power of an apology.
Speaker 4:
[08:16] Exactly.
Speaker 2:
[08:17] That's like one of my favorite things. If I choose to respond to somebody and I genuinely want to know where they're coming from or if they're okay in life, if I ever say something back to someone who said something nasty, I go, hey, I see you have like a daughter in your profile and I'm somebody's daughter and I'm just out here trying to live an honest life and be myself. What would you say if somebody hated on your daughter for just being true to herself? And like that usually does something and it either goes one of two ways where they go like, yeah, my daughter would never be you, or they go, oh my gosh, thank you. I think of you as like a character that's not even a real person and they'll apologize. And I feel so much better. And then I feel like maybe I stopped them from going ahead and bullying another person. Like maybe those small little wins are big wins.
Speaker 4:
[09:03] I agree. I had a guy one time say a bunch of nasty shit to me and I look at his profile and it's like, has like a Bible verse in it and he's got pictures of his kids. And I'm like, brother, this is not very Christian of you, especially. I mean, what would you say if your kids saw this comment? Look at how I talked badly about this guy. What have I done to offend you? It was literally something like some guy sent me a message yesterday. Like, I hate you. You have nothing on Goggins. I thought it was a goof. I wrote back on the DM. That was the only comment. I go, you hate me? Question mark. He's like, I hate you more than anyone on the Instagram internet. David Goggins will kill you.
Speaker 2:
[09:36] I'm like, oh, those people scare me, though.
Speaker 4:
[09:39] Scare me. So all I could do is be like, if I ever saw you, I'd beat the shit out of you and David Goggins and then blocked him before he could respond. For the record, I don't know David Goggins and he seems like a nice guy.
Speaker 2:
[09:49] That is so funny. Sometimes I love a mic drop into a block and I'm like, they're blocking me immediately and I'm like, yes, got them.
Speaker 4:
[09:56] I sent them a singer and then blocked them.
Speaker 2:
[09:58] I know. Some people go like, when they go low, you go high. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4:
[10:03] Sometimes I kick them in the balls and then dip.
Speaker 2:
[10:06] Then it makes me go high again because then I go, okay, well, I couldn't have hit that high without going there low.
Speaker 4:
[10:11] Another great one is when someone says something really shitty that's completely out of line, screenshot it with their name, post it on my story and be like, look at this. People are like, listen, I've never bought followers. Everything I have is organic. I'm not trying to be anything but myself. And when I post stuff like that, the people that are my friends go ballist. They're like, oh yeah, this guy sucks. And they start tagging him and everything. And I'm like, I hope you're having a great day.
Speaker 2:
[10:34] I know. I always say, let's send this person some love. They clearly need a prayer.
Speaker 4:
[10:38] And they get anything but love.
Speaker 2:
[10:39] Yeah, yeah. I love being petty sometimes. I think that's totally okay. I have a question just going backwards for a second because I was talking about the two, going from one addiction to another. Do you think there's danger in swapping one obsession for another?
Speaker 4:
[10:54] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[10:54] Okay, tell me.
Speaker 4:
[10:55] Yeah, I think you can be completely obsessed, miss a lot of important things in life, but whether it's right or wrong, my justification for exercising the way I do is that your mental and physical health is your number one responsibility. It has to take priority to everything. Because if you're not healthy and don't take care of yourself, there's a chance that someone else will have to take care of you for you. And I do not want my kids or my wife to have to do anything for me. So yes, can it come across as selfish? Definitely. And again, I don't profess to have the answer. Don't do what I do. Disclaimer. Ken has no answers. He's surviving. But I exercise like my life depends on it and I prioritize it over everything. But like if we go, as an example, we take the kids skiing. I get up at 430 in the morning and run up and down the mountain in Aspen in the freezing cold with my whole ski suit on with goggles in a blizzard. But when I get that done, I'm like, I'm done for the day. I'm going to have so much fun. I'm going to eat burgers for lunch. I'm going to like have fun.
Speaker 2:
[11:51] But why do you think doing things hard, that physically hard, like running up and down a mountain in Aspen at 430 in the morning, like-
Speaker 4:
[11:58] How about up and down the highway at onsite for 10 miles in the pitch dark in January? No, I couldn't see anything, and I'm running up and down a driveway like this.
Speaker 2:
[12:07] But what is the what is that proving to yourself? Does it actually change the like dopamine for you or you act? It makes you happy. Or what is it that like changes you mentally doing that? It gives me you pick your heart and you choose very hard things to do.
Speaker 4:
[12:21] Because when I haven't, I've behaved like a complete loser. So this really does take you out of like my kind of like my personal or self regulation. It's like, I know that for that time, I'm going to feel good about myself and the feeling. People always say, do you get a runner's high? I'm like, yes, as soon as I'm done running, I feel high. But I don't enjoy one step of it. You're suffering the whole time. You're kidding. For the most part. I mean, if I run with like I have friends, we have mutual friends that I run with. I feel great. We have great conversations and it's fun. That I like because we're also running at a conversational pace. And right. But when I'm you know, when I'm working, I'm like, I'm at work.
Speaker 2:
[12:58] What are you listening to? Music, podcasts?
Speaker 4:
[13:00] Most of the time podcasts and audiobooks.
Speaker 2:
[13:03] What do you like to learn about? Like what is your podcast of choice?
Speaker 4:
[13:06] I love listening to guys tell military stories about military operations, like raids on, like getting Obama up in Laden or get when they got Maduro down in Venice. Well, I just like the operational aspect of military. I missed my calling. I should have been in the military. But so now I live vicariously.
Speaker 2:
[13:23] I can definitely see you doing that. What's the guy's name who actually shot Obama?
Speaker 4:
[13:28] Rob O'Neill.
Speaker 2:
[13:28] Yes. He was a huge Bachelor fan. I went to a Dallas Cowboys football game with him.
Speaker 4:
[13:33] I'm not surprised. I think a lot of people are into different shows for the longest time.
Speaker 2:
[13:36] Isn't that such a funny thought?
Speaker 4:
[13:38] No, I think it's just a matter of who wants to be honest about it.
Speaker 2:
[13:42] He goes and kills Osama and then he watches Bachelor at night.
Speaker 4:
[13:44] I used to watch The Real Housewives with my wife all the time, but then that stuff got to the point where I was like, this is poisonous. The way these people behave is disgusting. The emphasis on material shit and the pettiness. I can't imagine grown women treating each other the way those women treat each other on all of the shows. I'm like, grow up. Not only are you behaving like that, but there's a camera on you. Grow up.
Speaker 2:
[14:10] I always think that even when I was on Bachelor and Bachelorette, when people were behaving a certain way, I'd be like, you guys, there's cameras everywhere. This is going to play out on TV. It would blow my mind.
Speaker 4:
[14:22] You know what I think about when people want certain material possessions or someone's like, I really want this watch. And listen, I like material stuff. I like a nice car. I like a watch. I do. But one of the things that I say is if I catch myself obsessing about something or someone else, I always think, let's just say it's a watch. I really want this watch, man. I love that watch. And then you think, what's going to happen when I get that watch? And having had some nice things, I know that for the first week or two, and you probably know this too, for the first week or two, you're like, look at this thing. It's so awesome. Eventually, the novelty wears off. It just becomes a watch. It becomes more of a burden where you're like, where did I leave it? I got to think about where I park my car because it's nice. I don't want it to bang. And you're like, what the fuck am I doing? And why do I want this? Do I want other people to validate me and be like, oh my God, look at how expensive his watch is? And then the truth is, anyone that would be impressed by that, I don't even want to be friends with them.
Speaker 2:
[15:11] I have the same run through of that kind of shit in my head all the time because even when I'm driving my 74 Bronco that I'm obsessed with, I always think, God, this is so embarrassing. People probably look at me and think I think I'm so cool. But really, I'm just like, that was a dream car of mine since 2011 and I worked so hard. And it was like, when I got that, it was such an accomplishment for me. And I was so proud of it. Yet here I am embarrassed to drive it. Cause I'm like, people probably think like, oh, you think you're cool and you're Bronco. And I'm like, no, I didn't, this is my dream car.
Speaker 5:
[15:38] Like I'm like nerdy now, didn't I?
Speaker 4:
[15:40] I think I'm real cool. I'm gonna even think about what I'm wearing in it. I wanna wear my cowboy hat. I had a, I love BMW M5, and I had one when I first moved here, and Dustin Poirier, the UFC fighter, he was here visiting me, and we went to dinner with our wives, and we pulled up to Eddie V's on Broadway, and we go to get out of the car, and like four like college age redneck kids pull up next to us, and the kid leans out of the car, like real close to my face, he's like, that car is a piece of shit. I'm like, the car that's like my greatest source of pride, and now you wanna sell it. And of course I was like, get out of that fucking car. And I'm like, and then we were laughing afterwards and my wife's like, can you imagine if those guys got out and realized that they were fighting with you and Dustin Laurier, like interim UFC champion. And he was laughing too. He's like, oh my God, that would have been so funny if those guys got out of the car, they would have been hit with lefts and rights so many times. They would have not know what hit them.
Speaker 2:
[16:29] Seriously, it would just be like two seconds of pating, patow, bye.
Speaker 4:
[16:32] But to your point, someone's like the car, like the car was so nice that someone felt a need to be like, duck, I don't want you to think you're better than anyone else. Let me remind you, you're a piece of shit. And so is your car. I'm like, Jesus, I wish I could just like ignore that stuff, but I had to like attack.
Speaker 2:
[16:47] Well, it is who you are. You're being true to yourself.
Speaker 4:
[16:50] That's very true. Again, disclaimer, don't be like me.
Speaker 2:
[16:55] Well, I think it's important to learn lessons also from other people and not make the same mistakes. You're here to show us what we shouldn't do.
Speaker 4:
[17:02] All joking aside, that's what I'm doing. Like someone asked me like, oh, your parents gonna be upset about the book? I'm like, this whole book is like self-deprecation about myself. I talk about the things that happened to me that were the most embarrassing things in my life. The entire football field at my own high schools chanting that I suck in the biggest game of the year. I wanted to kill myself. I was literally like suicidal after that. I'm like, I cannot believe. I'm the quarterback of the football team. I should be the hero. And now the whole fucking stadium is chanting, Rideout sucks. So writing about that in there, writing about getting cut from the hockey team, it was mortifying. But my hope in telling this is like, people who don't know me and only know me from Instagram could easily paint a picture of that I have a life that maybe someone would admire. But I say, if you think that anyone is perfect and that anyone has this like ideal life, like grow up, Instagram's a highlight. No one's posting their bloopers.
Speaker 2:
[17:56] I'm so sick of people online who don't have any level of self-deprecation. I can't handle, I've dated people like that. I've seen friends turn on Instagram and do that. And I'm just like, I have had such a hard time just showing up in general on social media lately. Because I'm like, I feel like I'm trying too hard, even when I'm self-deprecating, because I'm like, am I doing this as performative? Or am I actually showing up authentically? And I get that sometimes I just throw my phone and go like, I can't even do it.
Speaker 4:
[18:23] I agree. Every time if someone asks me to record an ad or something and talk to the camera, I'm like, I hate talking to the camera. I very rarely do it because I'm like, I feel like such a narcissist.
Speaker 2:
[18:33] Yeah, I get it. Like I actually enjoy talking to the camera, I feel like I've lost the joy for it because of just like being so overwhelmed with people online at all times and like everyone's trying too hard to be someone.
Speaker 4:
[18:46] Well, if I can give you some advice, I would say stop worrying about them. Keep doing what you're doing for you. Look at the brand that you've built for yourself. Look at the life that you've built for yourself. Stop worrying about the three people that are talking shit and think about the three million that actually like you.
Speaker 2:
[19:00] But it's almost this person. I like judging myself.
Speaker 4:
[19:03] I know, but you're letting these other haters influence you. Jelly Roll said this to me one time, he's my friend. He said, I said, look at this. Look what this guy said to me. I'm going to say, he goes, hold on, let me see that. He goes, there's like 15 comments, 14 of them are awesome. And one guy said something negative. Unless you respond to the 14 awesome ones, don't you dare respond to the one hater. You're insulting everyone else. And that's what I say the same thing to you. Your haters are very loud. If I hear them, I'm like, oh, she must be driving. This must be hurting her, because it hurts me. Because I'm like, she's my friend. Like, why the f*** are you doing this? But recognize, those people are deeply, deeply flawed. And keep doing the things that you're doing that are working. You don't have this show, these brand deals, the wine, the TV shows. If more people don't like you, then dislike you. So if you keep that in mind and just be like, you know what? You could walk on water. There's going to be people that will tell you it's because you can't swim. Right. You could cure cancer. They'd be like, she's a bitch. She's done this. I bet she uses Botox. Who gives a? What do you care? When you walked in, I was going to say, wow. I always hesitate because if I say to someone like, wow, you look so pretty, my wife's like, people might take that the wrong way. I'm like, I don't care. If someone tells me I look good, I'm so happy. But when you walked in, I was like, wow, you look so pretty. So if someone says, she did this, she did that, I'd be like, you should ask her exactly what she did because whatever she did is working. She's very pretty.
Speaker 2:
[20:34] That's so kind. I personally feel like the hardest part about working out. It's not even a workout, it's the mental load of it all, like figuring out what to do, how to do it, how long to do it for. If you're doing it right, sometimes I feel like that's enough to just make you just skip it all together and be like whatever. But that's why Tonal makes it so much easier to actually stay consistent. It's a full strength training system and personal trainer built into one sleek setup right in your home. So you start with a quick assessment and Tonal sets the perfect weight for you. Then it just says you get stronger literally down to the pound. So you're always being pushed but never guessing. It gives you, this is one of my favorite parts, the real-time coaching cues. Because while you're working out, they're literally coaching you through it. I love it because you don't have to second guess your form or if you're doing something wrong. There are also so many different workouts, literally so many different workouts to choose from. There's strength, arrow hit, yoga, mobility, so you can switch it up depending on your mood. It just takes the overthinking out of working out and lets you focus on actually seeing results. I love my Tonal, so right now Tonal is offering our listeners $200 off your Tonal purchase. With promo code Vine, that's tonal.com and use promo code Vine for $200 off your purchase. tonal.com promo code Vine for $200 off. Can we talk about the fact that Mother's Day is just coming up so fast? There are a lot of VIPs to celebrate this Mother's Day and some people are just hard to shop for. Hello, I have the answer. Macy's because it takes the pressure off. They really do have something for every single type of mom as she's into beauty. They carry all the brands that you already know she loves like YSL, Prada, Olaplex, Diamond Bracelet, Simple Necklaces that feel special and wearable. If she's someone who loves hosting or just making things feel cute at home, even if it's takeout, whatever, they have beautiful home pieces too like cookware, tableware that just elevates everything. Then honestly, if you're still not sure, a Macy's gift card, always a safe bet because then you can let her pick exactly what she wants. So they also have a full Mother's Day gift guide online, which makes it just way easier to narrow things down. So if you're starting to think about Mother's Day and you want to actually nail your gifts this year, Macy's is a really good place to start. Head to macys.com or go ahead and check out their gift guide to find something perfect for every mom in your life. I really didn't know the power of exercise mentally and physically, obviously, until I started lifting weights. And it took me a full year to even see any results. And I was like, I don't care, because how it made me feel mentally, I was like, this is so good for my body dysmorphia because I am leaving here feeling so strong, not caring as much what my body looks like, which then in turn, I always say, once you work on the inside mentally and physically, the outside falls into place. And it's just like, I always want to tell people that they can do it too because your whole mindset and everything that you write about and everything about who you are, you really think anyone is capable of changing their mindset like this.
Speaker 4:
[23:29] I know. I was not a tough kid. I was scared of my own shadow. I've made every mistake. I mean, I was a degenerate loser drug addict. I mean, I was making money, okay, but I was faking my way through life. I wasn't happy. I was suicidal. Like if you had $10 billion and you wanted to kill yourself, would you be winning? Like that's not winning. So if I could turn this around and become the person I am today, anyone can and to women out there thinking about lifting weights, like I always laugh when people are like, I don't want to lift weights. I don't want to get too big. If lifting weights and getting huge was that easy, every single guy you know would be a bodybuilder. Yeah. But there is only one way to get, first of all, muscle is the organ of longevity. If you want to live a long time, you have to have muscle. It's not up for debate. You have to have grip strength. You have to be able to do squats.
Speaker 2:
[24:18] I did a dead hang for two minutes this morning.
Speaker 4:
[24:19] That's awesome. I tried to do it. I don't even know if I could do it for two minutes. I could do 20 pull ups, but I don't know if I can do...
Speaker 2:
[24:25] I can't do one pull up, but I can hold myself up.
Speaker 4:
[24:27] That's a huge measure of longevity, is grip strength and dead hang.
Speaker 2:
[24:32] Don't they say that you should be able to put your suitcase up above?
Speaker 4:
[24:35] For sure you should be able to do that. But if you want to live a long, healthy life, you have to be lifting weights. As you know, you lifted weights for a year, didn't see a difference. When you go to the gym and lift weights to everyone, the weight lifting session should be intense. It doesn't have to be long, but it should be very uncomfortable. If you're doing like tricep pushdowns and talking to someone, you are not working hard enough.
Speaker 2:
[24:58] Agreed.
Speaker 4:
[24:58] It has to be like...
Speaker 2:
[25:01] No, I go into psycho mode when I work out. Do you know who Kevin Klug is?
Speaker 4:
[25:05] I know the name.
Speaker 2:
[25:08] Yeah, he trains me twice a week. And I walk out of there thinking I'm a bro. I'm like, I could f***ing do it up. I'm so strong. I leave him feeling like I could do anything because we do not talk. We blare like 90s rock, screamy music, and he just puts me to work. And I love it.
Speaker 4:
[25:30] The best thing you can do when you're going into a workout, if you're not feeling it, is just do some jumping up and down, jumping jacks, swinging your arms around, acting a bit crazy. But move your body frantically to warm it up and get your nervous system ready for it. Let's go. It's time. Because I always lift weights in the afternoon and I'm running in the morning, so I'm always tired when I go in there. But as soon as I get my body aroused and woken up, I'm like, okay, it's time. And all these little things work. You have to bring that kind of intensity and that kind of focus. Otherwise, you're just wasting your time. You won't see gains. It has to be a little bit more uncomfortable. If you do do that, you will notice yourself get stronger quickly.
Speaker 2:
[26:09] I did. And I've now been doing it for six years. And I'm just like, I consider myself a beast. And I love it. I feel so strong. And he always says to me, shut your brain off and let's get weird.
Speaker 4:
[26:20] And I'm like, whatever you think about yourself. It's true. You think you're a loser and you're lazy and you're weak, then maybe you are. But if you think you're a beast while you're in the gym, what do you kill it? Your opinion is the only one that matters. You can convince yourself of anything. Self-talk is very powerful. I mean, people will talk themselves into killing themselves.
Speaker 2:
[26:40] I know. I know.
Speaker 4:
[26:41] So the same way the power of the inner voice is so strong, you can also use it for good and be like, I'm a killer. I'm getting them. I've died at races.
Speaker 2:
[26:51] I mean, I did it for winning the mirror ball. I was like, I know I can do this. Like I just go into a mode where like nobody can stop me. And then I go into other modes where like everyone could stop me and I'm a little bitch in the corner crying.
Speaker 4:
[27:04] That's exactly right.
Speaker 2:
[27:05] But you got to just get out of that. Like for people who are listening, maybe they're not addicts, but they're stuck. And what do you think the first thing they need to change is their habits or their mindset? Like what's the first shift?
Speaker 4:
[27:16] The first thing when it comes to do's and don'ts is cut out the don'ts. So if you're making bad decisions, if you're eating bad food, like cut the don'ts out, just stop doing the things that you know to be counterproductive. And the next thing is to do is like, I'm not a rah rah guy. I don't need to like, if I scream and yell at you at the gym and like in the moment, okay, that's good. That's good motivation. But discipline comes from like in your heart. It's at your core. The discipline is like, I posted a video a few months ago. Remember we had, I mean, obviously, you know, the ice storm. The first day of that ice storm, I was out running and I had to do a 15 mile run and I had a longer beard. And when I stopped, I mean, it's raining, snowing. So I stopped and I turned on the camera and I'm like, all right, 15 miles down. I didn't realize it until I looked at the video. My beard was covered with ice like this. I looked like a crazy person. I had a hood on. It was the craziest video. It got the most response of any video I've posted because people are like, okay, he's crazy. But I was like, I had to do this. And here's the thing, if I don't do this today, the way it's snowing and what's coming and the cold that's coming, I'm not going to be able to get outside for a few days. So I ran on the treadmill for three days because it was treacherous, actually. My branches were falling as I was running.
Speaker 2:
[28:24] I couldn't even let my dogs out to go to the bathroom because they had to pee on the right outside the door where it was covered because the trees were falling.
Speaker 4:
[28:30] It was like Armageddon here. The point is that comes from discipline. Motivation ain't getting me out there. I didn't want to do that. I hated every step of it. But the discipline that I have and the rewards that I've received for being disciplined kept me going. But that isn't a screaming, ra ra cheerleader. You have to be your own cheerleader. And it's a quiet discipline like a ninja. Like I get up, oh, I don't want to run today. And then there's that quiet, like alpha voice that's like, mother, you're running.
Speaker 2:
[28:57] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[28:58] Let's not do this the hard way.
Speaker 2:
[28:59] Yeah. And that was me this morning.
Speaker 4:
[29:01] And that voice, you know, maybe in the beginning of my journey was like 50 and a half percent to 49 and a half beta of like, oh, I don't want to run. I don't feel good. My leg hurts. My bum hurts. I don't want to do anything. And then this voice just now is like, this is the only, the alpha is the only voice that's like, it's not a debate, dude, you're going. So it's don't even like, I don't even, my mind doesn't even go to like, should I run? Unless I'm really sick or injured, I'm going.
Speaker 2:
[29:24] I am not an early bird. I do not like mornings. I am such, I'm more of a night owl, even though I still go to bed at like eight. I did not get any sleep last night. I have like the worst cramps. I was like blacking out from pain.
Speaker 4:
[29:36] Oh my God.
Speaker 2:
[29:37] And I was like, you know what's going to make you feel better is moving your body.
Speaker 4:
[29:40] Yep.
Speaker 2:
[29:41] And those are the last thing I wanted to do, but I just didn't even hit snooze. I just got up. But there are other days where I'm like, I, I want people to also be like, okay, you could take a day off. Like I'll take a day off. But I think it's the mindset of being like, I always do the three, two, one. I just go three, two, one, and then I just get up. I don't know where I heard that. Somebody said it either on a podcast or Instagram or whatever. But I was like, it's so simple but so hard at the same time. You just go, if you don't want to get up and you don't want to get, you just count yourself down three, two, one, and you just don't give yourself another option. I did this morning. And what do you know? I felt so much better after. I mean, I still came home and complained about cramps and was like, I'm in pain. But I felt so much better. And I was like, wow, I can do anything. And I learned with Kevin, he doesn't give a what you're going through. He you're here to work and let me put you through it because it's going to make you feel better. And he doesn't care if you puke after like what you're feeling. And I went in, I was like, oh, I'm still so sore from your Monday workout. And like, I'm on my period and my cramps. He goes, OK.
Speaker 4:
[30:37] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[30:38] And that literally didn't change a thing. I think he might have pushed me harder. But I'm like, I like that.
Speaker 4:
[30:42] Yeah. Well, that's what everyone needs. And I don't even I don't have a snooze button. I mean, my if I if I set an alarm, which is rare, it's on my phone. And I don't is there a snooze function on the phone? Yeah, I don't know. I just I just get up.
Speaker 2:
[30:54] Oh, I'm a victim to the snooze.
Speaker 4:
[30:55] I get up. I'm like. And the other thing is, I'm always so sore when I wake up. My wife's like, wouldn't you like to wake up and not be sore? I'm like, oh, my God, people do that.
Speaker 2:
[31:04] I don't like waking up not sore because I didn't work hard.
Speaker 4:
[31:06] Well, I don't think that I've ever done it in like five years.
Speaker 2:
[31:08] But just running will really do it.
Speaker 4:
[31:12] You're the hell out of my body. I'm almost 55 years old.
Speaker 2:
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Speaker 4:
[32:37] What were you doing before you were on TV?
Speaker 2:
[32:38] I was teaching spin classes and working at a restaurant.
Speaker 4:
[32:41] Exactly. So you were getting by, but you were far from wealthy.
Speaker 2:
[32:44] Oh my gosh, I didn't even have, I couldn't get a credit card to be approved because I had no credit.
Speaker 4:
[32:49] And you were in Canada, right?
Speaker 2:
[32:50] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[32:50] I have a friend called Nick Woodhouse, who was the owner of Authentic Brands Group. They owned Reebok, Forever 21, Brooks Brothers, Champion, Guest Jeans. He was selling sneakers in a shoe store in Fort McMurray, Canada.
Speaker 2:
[33:05] Oh my God.
Speaker 4:
[33:06] It's fours north of Edmonton.
Speaker 2:
[33:07] Oh, I know where Fort McMurray is. Yeah, that's where the guys are to work on the oil rigs.
Speaker 4:
[33:10] As an adult.
Speaker 2:
[33:11] Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 4:
[33:12] He then comes down to the US., they buy this brand Tap Out, and they eventually roll up all these brands and do these royalty slash licensing deals for these big, well-established brands, Spider Skiwear. I took my family ski and I told them I was going, Spider sent us $10,000 worth of uniforms for everyone. They've been an awesome product. So he initially was just a fan of the things I was doing, I had a partnership with Reebok, who they owned. This guy now lives in a house, I don't want to embarrass him. When I was there, he was like, someone just offered me $65 million for my house.
Speaker 2:
[33:44] $65 million?
Speaker 4:
[33:47] His house in his wife's closet, I hope he doesn't get mad at me, Nick, I'm sorry, is a Chanel store. They get invited to the front row of the Chanel store in Paris, Burke in bags, Florida ceiling. We go in his bathroom, I'm like, this is insane. He's like, yeah, it's modeled after the Tom Ford store on Fifth Avenue. And that's what it looked like.
Speaker 2:
[34:07] That would scare me. I would be like, someone's definitely breaking in and murdering me and robbing me.
Speaker 4:
[34:12] Like one of the only gated communities in Miami, on the water, big Rivas yacht, like so big that you need a crew. Like, again, as an adult, selling sneakers in a, not his own shoe store.
Speaker 2:
[34:24] How did he get there?
Speaker 4:
[34:25] He moved down to the US, started working in fashion. Him and a partner, Jamie Salter, they bought Tap Out, took a bath, raised a little bit of money. I don't know what they bought next, but they would eventually buy Reebok, Brooks Brothers, Forever 21, Juicy Couture.
Speaker 2:
[34:42] Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4:
[34:43] They own everything. And now it's like it's like multi-billion dollar business.
Speaker 2:
[34:48] That's unbelievable.
Speaker 4:
[34:50] And he is the nicest guy in the world. He is the nicest guy in the world. Wow. But I love him because he's like he's into fashion. And like, you know, if you didn't know him, you could easily dislike and be like, this guy has everything like, right, right. Louis Vuitton, the cool-looking colored duffel bags, like always like the coolest stuff. Yeah, like he was at the Chanel store and he had like a Chanel pocket chain to a wallet. And I was like, I notice every little detail. And I'm like, dude, I am obsessed with that. I wouldn't wear it, but I love it on you. And he's like, I just like shit like that. But Nick Woodhouse, best guy in the world. One of the best.
Speaker 2:
[35:27] Can you please tell Jelly Roll that he is on my vision board for podcast guests?
Speaker 4:
[35:32] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[35:33] He's literally, I'll show you when we go downstairs, I have a framed photo that says, am I 2026 favorite guest? And it's a picture of him because I'm just manifesting.
Speaker 4:
[35:42] Have you had Bunny XO on?
Speaker 2:
[35:43] I would love to. I would take her and then him both together. I don't care. I'm obsessed with her.
Speaker 4:
[35:48] Have you reached out?
Speaker 2:
[35:49] Yes. She was going to come on my podcast once or I was going to go on hers. I can't remember what happened, but something happened. And then we were like, oh, we'll revisit. And then we haven't.
Speaker 4:
[35:56] Philip Franklin Lee, who owns Sushi by Scratch. I interviewed him last night on my podcast. What an incredible story. But they have a restaurant. He has the burger joint in Jelly's restaurant downtown. They had a ribbon cutting ceremony today at a new burger spot in the gallery downtown. So Philip is here now, so I might go see them later. So he might be there.
Speaker 2:
[36:16] Tell Jelly I said. All right.
Speaker 4:
[36:18] Done.
Speaker 2:
[36:20] Last question about your book. I just feel like writing, obviously, what you've written about is so personal. Was there anything you were scared to include?
Speaker 4:
[36:28] It wasn't that I was scared to include it. It was just embarrassing. I don't want to talk about people saying I suck. I don't want to talk about getting cut from the hockey team. That's why I say if someone's offended by something in the book, I think I look like the worst idiot in the book. I mean, I talk about the addiction. I don't want to talk about that stuff. I want to talk about winning races and being the best. I'm the best. Look at me. But you don't get to appreciate how important those wins are without understanding the losses, and especially all the self-inflicted wounds.
Speaker 2:
[36:56] Yeah. Was that the hardest probably to write about?
Speaker 4:
[37:00] That stuff is embarrassing. Eventually, I talked about it so much and it was so prevalent in my mind that eventually I was like, I just had accepted it. But when friends were reading it, they were like, dude, I can't believe the guts to write all this stuff. I was so taken aback. I wouldn't even ask them what they were referring to. I was just like, oh, it's just my story. But I remember distinctly one of my friends being like, man, I would never have had the guts to talk about some of those things. And I'm like, oh my God, is it that bad?
Speaker 2:
[37:26] Yeah, is this bad?
Speaker 4:
[37:27] But the way the reason that I was able to get cool with the manuscript when it was finished is my wife read it and she's like, this is awesome.
Speaker 2:
[37:35] Wow.
Speaker 4:
[37:35] She read the last chapter I had sent it to her and I'm like, read this. I'm sitting in my office. She's sitting in the kitchen. And I kind of hear her sobbing and I'm like, she knows the story. It's about when I won the World Championships. And I come out and I'm like, what's up? She's like, oh my God, I know everything that happens. And I am on the edge of my seat. She's like, I want to run a marathon. And my wife's like, not interested. Yeah. And she's like, this is so awesome. I feel like I could do anything. And I was like, it works. It's working. I said, my book agent was like, if they cry, they buy.
Speaker 2:
[38:04] I love a book that makes me cry, especially out of like motivation.
Speaker 4:
[38:07] You will definitely cry.
Speaker 2:
[38:08] Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4:
[38:09] When the race starts, it's like a big, I think it's the last chapter. When the race starts, I'm standing on the start line and the people in the age group world championships, we have numbers on our front and back. So you can identify the people you're racing against within the Chicago Marathon. Obviously there's the pro race. I'm not going to win the whole Chicago Marathon, but there is the race within the race. And so you had to qualify the people that were in it. We had special numbers so you could identify each other. So I'm standing on the start lines purposely. So no one is in front of me. And the only people in my age group that are going to pass me have to run past me and I can identify them. I know I'm going to be in the top three. There's only one or two guys that have a chance. And right out the gate, a guy I don't even know runs past me like I'm standing still. And I'm like, if that guy can run like that the whole day, and I don't want to be second. I've already been second. I don't care. I'm not there to participate. And then about halfway through, this Belgian guy who won it the year before in my age group runs by. And a lot of these guys know me for whatever reason. And he's like, hey, what's up? Can't keep going. And I'm like, hey, there's a guy up the road in our age group. And I'm like, go get him. I'm trying to help him at this point. I'm like, I want to step on your neck, but I'm not a bad sport. And he goes to get him and takes off. And this is at like 13 miles. And I had so many moments of being like, I'm just going to throw in the towel. I'm just going to take it easy. To run that fast, two hours, 29 minutes and 10 seconds takes every ounce of effort. And you have to be on the gas the whole time. So the whole time you're on the limit, am I going to make it to the finish line? Like, it's going to be, you're like, you're burning matches. And I'm like, if I, please don't let me burn the last match until I cross the finish line. But when I cross the finish line, I want the match to be the whole book is on fire. Yeah. So at 20 miles, I see the Belgian guy standing on the side of the road, stretching his hamstring. And I'm like, oh, shit, he's out of it. Maybe I'll get second. OK. Like the other guy had so far ahead. Then with like two miles ago, I see him and I'm like, oh, I have a momentary anxiety attack because I'm like, now I have to go and I'm already running as fast as I can. So it's not like I can just start. I already am sprinting and I just I dig in so deep and I just go past him. But when you pass someone, when you're running in a race for the win, like in a competitive nature, you have to go by them where you take their will to fight. Like if you just waddle past them and they jump on you and you're going as fast as you can, like the person in front is doing a little bit more work than the person in back who's drafting. So as I go past him, I'm like, I have to go. I'm all in now. Yeah, it's like a mile and a half, two miles to go. And that's a long way when you've already run 20. I just start running. I get past him and I just keep going. And I don't hear his footsteps right behind me. And I'm like, oh my God, I don't think he's going with me. And you don't want to look back either, because that's a sign that you're fading.
Speaker 2:
[40:50] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[40:50] Like you'll never see the guy who's passing and winning, looking back until maybe the last like 10 yards when he's flying.
Speaker 2:
[40:56] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[40:57] But looking back is a sign of distress to me. True. Whether it's true or not, I think that's a universal like takeaway.
Speaker 2:
[41:03] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[41:04] And as I turn to go, there was that you take a right turn in Chicago with about a little less than half a mile to go and then a left turn with about a tenth of a mile. And as I turn, I catch him and I'm like, oh, I got a decent leader. I'm like, I'm going to do this. But you're still like sprinting and I end up beating them by both of them by less than one minute. And I wanted both of those guys had run three minutes faster than I'd ever run in my life. The same year as that race. But on that day, like I said, there might be people that are faster in the world. On that day, the guys in my age group, I beat them and I shouldn't have. But I just, if I didn't keep that mindset of like, no, have some integrity, have some character, you did all this training, maybe you can run in your best time ever, which was like 228 in change. So I was close and I was rewarded with the win. And I was like, oh my God. And I called my wife and I don't think she realized the gravity of the race. She knew that all the races were important to me. And I had won four of the six world marathon majors for men over 50, so I had won Boston, Tokyo, New York, and then I went to Chicago and I got second in Berlin and London.
Speaker 2:
[42:07] Cause you win money for that too, right?
Speaker 4:
[42:09] In New York, I won the Masters 40 and over and I won like five grand or something.
Speaker 2:
[42:13] Oh, I thought I was one of that.
Speaker 4:
[42:14] No, no, no, no, not a lot of money. I've won like three or four races. I've won a few thousand dollars and I just framed up check. I don't need the money. I just want the check. But when I called my wife, she's like, oh my God, oh, you did it all good. I was like, no, no, this was the world championship race. This was the age group world championships. She's like, what? I had no idea. I didn't know it was that big a deal. I was like, I think maybe subconsciously, I was so nervous because I had gotten second by less than a minute one time in London in this race. She was like, oh my God, I'm happy. I said, I'm not even happy. I'm just relieved it's over.
Speaker 2:
[42:43] I did it.
Speaker 4:
[42:44] It was like climbing a mountain. You're like, oh, I did it. It took a while for me to really appreciate it. I was just happy it was over.
Speaker 2:
[42:51] That's wild. You've accomplished some pretty, you're a freak and I love you. That was the most genuine thing that just came out of my mouth. I was just like, I had to say it, that it's amazing. You really do make me feel like I can be capable of anything too.
Speaker 4:
[43:07] What do you mean you can be capable? Look at what you've done for yourself. You were a freaking work and you said you was teaching spin and working at a restaurant. Now you have a podcast and you want dance. Is that Dancing With The Stars?
Speaker 2:
[43:17] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[43:18] Look at all the things that you've done. Look at the house that you're living in. Do you have a life that people would kill for?
Speaker 2:
[43:23] I do try, actually, not try, I daily remind myself how proud I am of myself because I do a lot of inner child work and I was like, your even 15 year old self would be like, we did it.
Speaker 4:
[43:37] Just getting in your car and being like, you're Bronco, like, look at this, we have it.
Speaker 2:
[43:41] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[43:42] But that's what I mean. It's so easy to take the stuff for granted. And for the record, only freaks overachieve, only weirdos do big things. Normal people do normal things. I was saying this to someone the other day, who the hell was I talking to? I was talking to, oh, Louisa Nicola. She's a neurosurgeon, a neurophysiologist. She does neurosurgery with a neurosurgeon. I was like, man, you are a lot. And she was like, what do you mean by that? I'm like, no, no, I mean it as a compliment. Like if you weren't, you'd just be another neurosurgeon. You'd just be another neuro person. But it takes a big person. It takes abnormal people to do abnormal things. Think about every person who's wildly successful. Do you think Jeff Bezos is a normal guy?
Speaker 2:
[44:22] No.
Speaker 4:
[44:23] Mark Zuckerberg, Dustin Poirier, Dana White, these people are not normal.
Speaker 2:
[44:27] No.
Speaker 4:
[44:28] Whether you like it or not, you can't be normal and expect to have abnormal results.
Speaker 2:
[44:32] No, like Dave Portnoy, for example, I'm like, what the is wrong with you? And I'm like, you're awesome. It's in the same thought. I'm like, what's wrong with you? And you're a genius.
Speaker 4:
[44:43] He's a genius. And I love that people hate him so passionately. Me too. I love it. I love even the things that I hate.
Speaker 2:
[44:51] I'm like, I love it.
Speaker 4:
[44:52] Yes, because he doesn't care.
Speaker 2:
[44:54] Yeah, he doesn't give up.
Speaker 4:
[44:55] That's a guy who does not care.
Speaker 2:
[44:56] I strive to give as little as he does in life.
Speaker 4:
[45:00] And then the girl, the Alex Earle, the one who did Call Her Daddy.
Speaker 2:
[45:05] Oh, Alex Cooper.
Speaker 4:
[45:06] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[45:06] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[45:06] Like she was just she was just a random chick who had a podcast on the Barstool Network and now she's making like 100 plus million dollars. Like, why not you? Like what I say to any girls or any women or any guys out there looking like, why not you? What is so special about her? No, no disrespect to her. What's special about her? What's special about you? I'm telling you, there's nothing special about me except what I think.
Speaker 2:
[45:27] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[45:27] And guess what? Only you can decide what you think. Your mind is under your full control. I one of the things one of the things as I've gone on this faith journey that always makes me a little bit emotional is there is like a passage or I don't know what you would call it from something with Isaiah where the Lord says to someone, but who shall we send? Who will go? Like they have to go on some crazy mission. And I don't know who was, but someone says, here am I, send me. And that's what I think about. So Shelby's going for her last surgery for her breast cancer. And I said to her the other day, I'm like, and again, if people aren't into faith, keep fast forward. But I say to people that are into faith, like God only gives the people that can handle these challenges, the challenges. And if you think about it like that, it's a little bit easier to handle as like, yeah, that's right, I can handle this. I got this because it sucks. But, and it's like the people that has talked shit on the internet, God doesn't give that to the people that can't handle it, that might not be able to like cope with that emotionally, but they know you can. So they're like, here, have some of this.
Speaker 2:
[46:26] That's true.
Speaker 4:
[46:26] And it's a way of keeping you like on the hustle, on the grind and appreciating what you have. It's like, in a weird way, you have to be grateful for your haters and the adversity.
Speaker 2:
[46:35] It sucks. No, I hear you. I actually totally agree with that. And like even your wife's health and everything she's gone through, like it always stories like that put things from a perspective too. She's such a warrior in so many ways. And even just a mother for kids and then stick through all of your bullshit. That's right. It's true. She's a freaking warrior. And I just respect both of you so much. And I'm so happy you came on the podcast. And I want everyone to know where they can find you on social media and find your book.
Speaker 4:
[47:06] Well, the book is available everywhere you buy books. National best seller. Everything you want is on the other side of the heart.
Speaker 3:
[47:11] Killing it.
Speaker 4:
[47:11] Killing it.
Speaker 3:
[47:12] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[47:12] It's the impact it's having on people, the notes that I have. I mean, even the blurbs, like I have a quote on the cover from Andrew Huberman. I have a quote from Reggie Miller, the NBA superstar, Dustin Poirier, Trey Hardy, Sahil Bloom. I mean, there are so many Gabby Reese. So many like awesome people gave me blurbs for the book, which I don't take for granted, but it's just very, very surreal. But it's available everywhere. Amazon Audible. I read the audiobook myself. People are enjoying that with my. I guess I have an accent.
Speaker 2:
[47:41] Yeah, you're Boston accent. I would love hearing your stories and the way you tell them to and your accent. Yes, I love an audiobook.
Speaker 4:
[47:49] Yeah, well, it's doing really well. And so that's it. And then I'm on Instagram is really the only social media platform that I use. Ken Rideout. Yeah, I think that's what it is.
Speaker 2:
[47:58] Amazing. Well, thank you so much. And thank you for being so vulnerable in your book and sharing all the things that you didn't want to share, but you did anyways, because it's part of your story.
Speaker 4:
[48:05] Well, thank you for having me. And I don't take it for granted that you allow me to share my story with your incredible audience and obviously you have built an incredible platform and to all the Off The Vine fans, I say thank you. Please love me.
Speaker 2:
[48:21] They will, they will.
Speaker 4:
[48:33] I'm coming at you with everything we got.
Speaker 3:
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Speaker 5:
[48:59] It's Kayl Lowry, join me for Barely Famous. You might think you know me, but trust me, you don't know this version of me. This is where I say what everyone is too scared to ask and ask the questions that nobody wants to answer. I'm talking exes, unexpected guests, viral chaos, messy relationships, really just all of it. Nothing is off limits, nothing is off the record, and yeah, things can get a little unhinged. It's real, it's raw, and it's probably gonna make you gasp at least once. So follow, rate and review Barely Famous wherever you get your podcasts.