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Speaker 1:
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Speaker 3:
[01:42] But why is she so very... Well, hello, and welcome to Very That. I'm Delta.

Speaker 4:
[01:53] And I'm Rajah.

Speaker 3:
[01:57] And we are clearly VERY THAT.

Speaker 4:
[02:01] It's just VERY THAT. It is very, very, like, you know, it's VERY THAT.

Speaker 3:
[02:06] We are VERY THAT 24-7.

Speaker 4:
[02:10] And if you're unfamiliar with this podcast, we are just a bunch of queens, two queens, two legendary queens. Legendary.

Speaker 3:
[02:17] Legendary.

Speaker 4:
[02:18] Legendary. Legendary. We're sissies and we're legendary. And we're just here talking about stuff, about life, about drag as we know it, and past, present, and future. And you're here just to get off on us.

Speaker 3:
[02:37] To do the damn thing. I mean, we're here to do the damn thing. And you know what? We are officially, totally, 100% in the holiday season. Christmas is right around the corner. Christmas is less than a month away.

Speaker 4:
[02:55] It's right here. It's right here. This is like, you know, I've expressed it many times. This is not my favorite time of year. But we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna talk about it a little bit.

Speaker 3:
[03:07] Well, I tell you what. I find the holidays to be my absolute favorite time of the year. Now, I realize that many people do not like the holidays for, because it brings up family issues. Some people don't like it because of the commercialization. Some people don't like it because they don't have someone to spend the time with. I, you know what, I come from a family with, you know, I'm an only child that don't have siblings. For the most part of my life, my mother was a single parent up until, you know, she divorced my dad when I was like six. Then she, I had a stepdad for a couple of years. But the rest of my whole life I've always been, it's just been me and my mom. And, you know, we don't come, I don't particularly come from any significant source of income. But I love the spirit of the holidays. And I love the, for me, it's what the holidays represent, not the actual physical days, but the season of giving. And that should be all year round. We should carry that with us all year round. But people clearly don't. And some people don't even during the holidays. But I love it. I love the tradition. I love the smells. I love the songs. I love this. You know how I am. You know this. You know I'm crazy.

Speaker 4:
[04:24] You are a Yankee candle fucking Christmas lights and a garland over the mantle. You are, you know, you go for it. And I, you know what? I get it. I know I've said many, many times that I don't like Christmas, but I do get it. I love the theatrics of it. I love the pageantry of it. I love the colors. I love the music, too, you know, because it's all sort of nostalgic. I get it. I totally love it. But it's just, you know, I have my reasons for not always loving it. But I have fantastic memories of Christmas, like for fucking sure. Absolutely. I think Christmas is a holiday mostly for children, in my opinion. And being a kid for me, I've mentioned many times I grew up in Indonesia. And my father was a Muslim and my mom was Catholic slash Christian. So we celebrated Islamic holidays, and we also definitely celebrated Christian holidays, including Christmas. And I always liked the Christian holidays more because they were a lot more colorful and a lot more like... You know, it just has like all the stuff, all the fixings are all there. And I remember having a Christmas tree in Indonesia. This is probably the very, very late 70s, early 80s. And it was a plastic. You know how good Christmas trees are now? Like you can get a fake Christmas tree and they're like amazing. This was like the plastic ones, like it was like a plastic silk flower. And I remember putting that tree together every year. And I remember the specific decorations that we put on it that we still have in our family. And those are the times that I remember Christmas and love it the most as when I was a child. And when I when I still wanted to believe in Santa Claus up until the age of nine, just because I really, really loved that part. Like I just loved it. I loved all that stuff. You know, the the magic of it, if you will.

Speaker 3:
[06:28] Well, and that's, you know, I am someone who I my Christmas tree is up a week before Thanksgiving. If I could do it two weeks before, I would. Some people are like, oh, they, you know, they want to bemoan the problem with that and the issue with that. And I don't know why it should be an issue for someone to take joy in something or want to make something last longer. And I know that's not what you're saying, but, you know, other people do have that problem. I, I put up a half Christmas tree every year. I live in a small apartment. So the tree that I've had for the past probably 12 years is, it's about a seven foot tree, but it's cut in half. So it goes flush with the wall.

Speaker 4:
[07:10] Oh yes, of course. And you can put it up against a mirror if you want to make it feel like it's a full Christmas tree.

Speaker 3:
[07:16] Right. And so when you look at it, you think, gosh, what a beautiful tree. It's so big. And then you walked across the room and you're like, wait a minute, it disappeared. So visually you're getting a full tree, but space wise it's only half. And I collect ornaments in a way. I collect thematic ornaments. So I'm not really a Disney. I don't have Disney ornaments or anything like that. I have like a series of silver, a series of blue, a series of pink, a series of. And so every year I change it a bit. And I like to go to 99 cents store. I like to go to big lots. I like to go to all those places. And as I've gotten older, I've never been a fan of telling people when someone says, what do you want for Christmas? What do you want for your birthday? I have a hard time telling people that because I feel like it says to them, if you don't get me a gift, or if you don't get me this kind of gift, I'm not going to think that you care. And I don't want a gift. I love giving gifts to people. I love receiving gifts from people that they thought about. Even if it's something like, something that a disappearing gift, like I bought you a mini pound cake. I knew that you would like this. I don't think it's necessary. But of course, I have plenty of family that will say, I really want to know what you want. And as I've come to realize what I want at Christmas are Christmas ornaments for the following year or to add. So like, hey, I want a box of navy blue Christmas bulbs because I don't have that. And people are like, why would you want that? I'm like, listen, I want it. But nobody, you know, our, you know, Chanel, our Chanel. Chanel is the person who goes over the top.

Speaker 4:
[08:52] Oh, Drag Race Chanel.

Speaker 3:
[08:54] Chanel from Oz, Chanel, like our Chanel from back in the day.

Speaker 4:
[08:59] She has like 13, 14, 15 Christmas trees in the house.

Speaker 3:
[09:02] She has a warehouse that she stores her Christmas ornaments in. You know, I just have a small place, but I take pride in this. And that's the thing. Some people don't have the money or the time or the interest to put up a tree. If I just see like a little wreath or something, however it brings you joy, it brings you joy. Some people don't want to put a lot of ornaments on their tree. They just put a string of lights. And that little bit of twinkle does something for them. And it does everything for me. I don't know. I just love it.

Speaker 4:
[09:30] I have a tree that I put up when I can and when I'm in the mood to, and it's a pink tinsel tree.

Speaker 3:
[09:36] I love it.

Speaker 4:
[09:37] It's probably about, it's about four feet high. And I put it up on a table. But you know what I do is rather than, I do have Christmas decorations. I have some and I use them. But what I do to fill in the space is I put all of my big ass fucking pageant jewelry on it.

Speaker 3:
[09:53] Oh, what a great idea.

Speaker 4:
[09:55] I drape the whole thing, even the broken ones, because it doesn't matter. Just like, you know, if you can't wear it, then it goes on the pink tinsel tree at Christmas. And I just put the clip ons on there. I put the necklaces, the bracelets. I just put all of my jewelry on the tree. Now, I did say earlier that I think that Christmas is a time for children. Recently, my niece turned, well, last year she turned 18. And her birthday is on Christmas Day or Christmas Eve? I think it's Christmas Day. But she was just informed by her younger sister who's 14, that she will no longer get presents from me. Because she's 18. Wow. Yeah. No, bitch. Now, I told her, she even had called me. She FaceTimed me like two days ago and was like, wait a second. Anaya, who's her little sister, just informed me that you texted her that I get no more presents now because I'm 18. And I said, yes, your little sister is exactly right. Now it's time for you to buy me a goddamn present because you got a job. And it's done. It's done. All of that spoiling that you got from age zero to now. It's done, Fizz.

Speaker 3:
[11:14] Well, I mean, you need to live your life how you live your life, Grinch that stole Christmas.

Speaker 4:
[11:20] But, um, no, it happened to me when I was a kid.

Speaker 3:
[11:25] It was like, you know, you should break the cycle.

Speaker 4:
[11:27] No, once I turned 18, I stopped getting the good presents, and it just all went downhill. And after 18 is when I started to despise Christmas and loathe it because I never got the Christmas life.

Speaker 3:
[11:39] No, to be honest with you, I understand what you're saying in the sense that I have come to the conclusion that there have been people in my life that I have purchased gifts for out of obligation. And I don't do that anymore, only because it takes the fun out of it. And I don't think you are obligated to tell somebody, I just wanted to let you know that I love you so much that I bought you a bottle of Nautica Cologne. Like you don't, like that doesn't show. And especially when I know that someone doesn't even go through the courtesy of saying, hi, I wanted to thank you for that gift. It was very nice of you to think of me and I very much appreciate it. Even if they can't fake that to me, like, I would love a heartfelt thank you. But if I can't even get a fake one, go fuck yourself. There's too many other people that I'd rather buy a fucking bottle of cologne from fucking Marshalls for. Honestly.

Speaker 4:
[12:31] I love a handmade, you know, gift. I really, really, really like it when like my family members, like my sisters, and because it's just my sisters and my mom now, and my nieces, and my brother-in-law, but my dad's no longer around. But, you know, something that we've always done is we've made things for each other, like whether it be a framed photo or whatever. My niece is into macrame and she made me a macrame thing for my, you know, I just love it when people make things for me. I think to me, to me, that's more thoughtful. I don't need to. And there are times when my sisters will try to, they know that I love wine and they always get me the wrong fucking wine. They get me like Moscato, like sweet stuff and I like my shit dry, white and cold, you know.

Speaker 3:
[13:19] You've had a lot of boyfriends like that actually.

Speaker 4:
[13:22] Yes. And you know what? This is my new boyfriend. So, but you know what? You know, it is what it is.

Speaker 3:
[13:29] You know, I'm very, I'm very happy about the holidays and I'm, it's just something that I love and I, I mean, I, and you know, we've talked about Coast 103.5, putting on the holiday music early. You know, that tradition started in right after 911. So 2002 or so, that year, we know what, how everyone was feeling. And so they just thought, let's just start Christmas music early and see if maybe some, it can bring people's minds away from something. And you know, for some people, they fear Christmas again because of the things that it brings up, the loss that it brings up or the what they don't have. And for some people, it brings up magic and potential. But in any way, I'm not gonna, I don't have to get too preachy about it. I fucking like Christmas. Some people fucking hate it. Some people are right down the middle. We are going to be right back. Do you know what's very Delta? Moms! And when I say mom, yes, I mean moguls of media, but this time, I'm talking about my actual mother. She's been there for me through the peaks, the valleys, and everything in between. Most Mother's Day gifts are about one moment. Story Worth is about so much more. Story Worth gives your mom a year-long experience and gives your family a book filled with stories only she can tell. Each week, Story Worth sends her a question about her life. She responds however she wants, writing back over email or web, voice recording, or new this year, a guided phone call. No apps, logins, or tech hassle. You can choose from pre-written questions, write your own, or let Story Worth create personalized questions based on her life. You get each story as she tells it, and after a year, Story Worth compiles everything, her words, her photos, her life into a beautiful hardcover book that the entire family will treasure. Personally, I love getting a glimpse into my mom's early days. She shared so many fun nights out with friends that I'd never even heard of until I read her Story Worth book. I genuinely love Story Worth and I know you will too. This year, give mom a gift that helps her reflect on her life with fresh perspective, and give your whole family the gift of her stories. Mother's Day is Sunday, May 10th. Order right now and save up to $20 at storyworth.com/verydelta. Save up to $20 at storyworth.com/verydelta. storyworth.com/verydelta.

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Speaker 4:
[17:03] And we're back!

Speaker 3:
[17:06] We are back.

Speaker 4:
[17:07] We are back, and we were talking about Christmas, and our traditions, and the things that we love the most. And I was going to add something else to that, but I just...

Speaker 3:
[17:17] Add it, add it, add it, add it.

Speaker 4:
[17:19] I don't remember what I was going to say, fuck it. Never mind, never mind.

Speaker 3:
[17:22] Just make it up, who cares?

Speaker 4:
[17:24] Um, okay. I need you to send me a shitload of tamales, because tamales is my favorite Christmas thing. And my younger sister Citi is married to a Mexican-American man, and she has become a master at cooking Mexican food.

Speaker 3:
[17:42] Who, by the way, by the way, they have the same last name as me and the same spelling, which is unusual, by the way, people.

Speaker 4:
[17:50] We might be related, we might be related.

Speaker 3:
[17:55] And also, listen, one day we're going to post it, we're going to get it on social media. If you could just get a picture of Raja's mother and sisters, and then a picture of me, you would think, oh, you must be with your family. You look very odd.

Speaker 4:
[18:11] You look more related to my family than I look related to them.

Speaker 3:
[18:14] It's very odd.

Speaker 4:
[18:15] They're all sort of, they're all just these like, you know, they're these buxom Rubenesque women, you know, of ambiguous race. They could be Latin. They could be Asian, much like you.

Speaker 3:
[18:30] But all similar faces. It's a trip.

Speaker 4:
[18:34] And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[18:36] Yeah, she's she's an expert now in making Mexican food. And I am yeah, I also I am not an expert in cooking. However, you know, as they say, the best thing I make for dinner is reservations. But I am an expert in tamale eating. Oh, I will eat a tamale. Listen, I've never met a tamale that I didn't like. I have my preferences, but I will eat a tamale out of a trunk. I don't give a fuck. Like I, I will buy tamales. The house. I will always buy tamales. I love, love, love them. And I love them too.

Speaker 4:
[19:13] In my neighborhood, where I live right now, we have two different kinds of tamales, because not all Latinx people make their tamales in corn husks. There's also a certain group that makes them in banana leaf.

Speaker 3:
[19:28] Right.

Speaker 4:
[19:28] And it's got different. It's a little bit more of a mushier texture.

Speaker 3:
[19:33] I'll eat them all.

Speaker 4:
[19:34] I'll eat them all. I'll eat them all. Put a bunch of sour cream on it. Some tapatio.

Speaker 3:
[19:39] Wait, sour cream?

Speaker 4:
[19:40] I put sour cream on everything.

Speaker 3:
[19:42] Fuck out of here with that. You don't put that on there.

Speaker 4:
[19:45] Come on.

Speaker 3:
[19:47] Get out of here.

Speaker 4:
[19:48] Tapatio and sour cream. I'm salivating.

Speaker 3:
[19:51] Actually, I was going to buy several people in my family for Christmas. These things that I saw on Amazon that are tamale spreaders, they're masa spreaders. So, you always get the right consistency. Because we do make tamales for my family. And we make a lot of them. But listen, we have something from the anals. We always have something from the anals of the inbox. And if anyone wants to write to us, you can absolutely write to us at deltaandrajaj.gmail.com. And these will get to the production staff. And then they will just trickle down to us. And we get to hear some of what you have to say and questions you have. So the first one, or this one that we're reading, is from Claire. Hi! I'm a huge fan of both of yours and I'm loving the podcast. I can't wait for Monday. I'm an animal lover and a registered veterinary technician. So my question is this. If you were to be reincarnated as an animal, which would it be and why? Xoxo Claire. I love that question. Go ahead.

Speaker 4:
[20:54] I think it's you first because you actually have animals in your home and I've only been thinking about having an animal in my home. In fact, when I get back from Mexico, there's a place in I think, Seal Beach, SBC Animal Care Center or something. You have to go to Siaca. I'm going to adopt. I'm going to adopt.

Speaker 3:
[21:11] You have to. You have to. That's what I do. All my pets, my whole life have all been pets from the ASPCA, from Siaca, from when I was a little kid, as an adult. I currently have two house cats. Their names are Tango and Chacha. I've talked about them before. If I had my way, I would have 75 house cats and I would also have dogs. I can't have dogs in an apartment, but I would love to. If I was reincarnated into another animal, I would absolutely be a big, fat, sassy, furry house cat. I would love, I love a house cat. I just love the fact that they can be on their own and not be bothered, but then they can also be lovey-dovey. I think the personality is very similar to mine. I have no preference for a color of cat or a size of cat or a skinny cat. I love, I love seeing hairless cats. I would come back as a house cat. What about you?

Speaker 4:
[22:04] Well, you know, for me, any domesticated spoiled animal is what I would like to be. So it could be a cat because sometimes I feel like I can relate to the feline side. I really love napping and having a bad attitude and having my food ready when it needs to be ready and just leave me leave me the fuck alone while I poop and pee. So I'm very much a feline in like as a person, as a human, I relate to more of the feline. But I think I would prefer to return as a spoiled dog. One with a pretty long lifespan because I know I have so many friends who have dogs and they spoil their fucking dogs more spoiled than my own human existence. So I would like to be a spoiled probably mid-sized terrier slash smaller dog because that's actually what I'm looking for right now. So if anybody has any tips on where to go, I'm already looking into SBC care which is in Seal Beach, California out of recommendation from my friend Philip. But I would probably want to be a dog. I want a dog. I love the cuddle. I love the cuddles. I love the cats can tend to be a little bitchy for me. You know, so I don't want anything that's too much exactly like me. I would like to return as the opposite of me.

Speaker 3:
[23:27] But domesticated. I would think that you would say like, I would come back. What I would imagine you as if you were an animal, I imagine you as some sort of like very rare bird. I imagine you as that. And of course, like you're saying, you want the opposite of you. But based on your personality, I see you as this rare bird that only appears at certain times and maybe is seen in one part of the world and another part of the world. But that's kind of who you are anyway. I mean, you are kind of a rare bird, not kissing your ass, just saying like how I see you and how I know you. You see something. I see something. I always see something. I smell something. We have a letter from Daniel. Loving the podcast. As someone born in 1981 in Santa Ana, California, hearing you two talk reminds me of how unique growing up in Southern California is. From slang, food, fashion to activities, being here is like from being nowhere else. Late night art labo, dedications, Quintaneras, mall photos, Tommy burgers, slang like Leva, Hella, and going to kickbacks, rebel fashion, with just the bangs. Cal Worthington, pussy cow, pussy cow, pussy cow. This was 90s in Southern California. What are your favorite memories of growing up? Much love and admiration. Daniel.

Speaker 4:
[24:45] Oh my god. That is a good one. Here's Cal Worthington in his dog spot. If you want a car or a truck, pussy cow. Pussy cow. In actuality, people who didn't grow up here, it's go see cow because it's Cal Worthington who owned the car dealership. But it sounded to us like pussy cow.

Speaker 3:
[25:19] Everyone would say that.

Speaker 4:
[25:20] Till now, I can't look at a cow's pussy the same way without breaking into song.

Speaker 3:
[25:26] Right. I love this letter because this is us. This is one of my favorite memories of growing up in Southern California. It's definitely mall related. We've talked about that before. But also something that I don't think everybody else has, which is swap meets. We were big on not just outdoor swap meets, but indoor. And we're not talking about just a farmer's market. Because back in the day, it was people were selling used shit. They just bring stuff from home like a massive yard sale with lots of people. And I remember we would get tube socks and we would get velcro wallets that had California sunsets on them. And we would get raspadas and we would get chili billies.

Speaker 4:
[26:15] I could use them right now. You know what's weird? Being here in Mexico, I haven't seen one raspado like little guy cart anywhere.

Speaker 3:
[26:23] Something that becomes a Southern California thing. You know what I mean? And we talked about that before. Like the difference between being like in Mexico versus being Mexican from Mexico and being Chicano from Southern California, for instance. You know, when you watch like Selena, you know, you watch the movie when her dad says, it's different. It's a different experience being from Texas or Southern California or Arizona or because you're here on this side and the expectation is different from another side. You can't speak to the other person's experience. You can only speak to your own. But here in Southern California, the influence is Asian. It's Hispanic. It's Pacific Islander. It's white. It's black. It's all of that. And it's a trip. Living in Southern California is an absolute trip. It's just you see and get things that are so different and so melded. Don't you think?

Speaker 4:
[27:19] Yes. I remember there was there was a I can I can specifically remember the time in the 90s or actually no excuse me the late 80s probably 80 around 89. When Southern California specifically or just you know, South the southern part of America. No, maybe it was just us when that transition where they became new waivers. Oh, yeah, when they started, you know, when they started listening to Depeche Mode and Morrissey and now Morrissey and those bands have the biggest following within the Mexican culture. And I remember that transition. I remember when that started becoming a thing. And I always liked the take of alternative quote unquote music, but as seen through the eyes of Hispanics, Chicanos, Latin people.

Speaker 3:
[28:13] It is definitely seen through different eyes when you think of yes, new wave, punk, SKA, the Orange County scene, the LA scene, the Long Beach scene. You think of Bradley from Long Beach, who's a white dude speaking fluent Spanish, singing fluent Spanish. We have a flavor of our own and it's beautiful. It's beautiful. And I love that we got this letter. I love that Daniel knows that and sees that from Santana.

Speaker 4:
[28:47] Oh my god. I love that you mentioned Tommy Burgers too, which actually brings the biggest cerrotes that I've ever had. I haven't eaten at a Tommy Burgers in years and there's one down the street for me. Very close.

Speaker 3:
[28:59] You know, you can get it. Have you ever had a chili tamale from Tommy Burgers? They will make a tamale and they will cover it in chili and cheese and everything that they put on the burger, but on a fucking tamale, bitch.

Speaker 4:
[29:09] But I need those fluorescent yellow chiles all over it.

Speaker 3:
[29:11] Oh, of course you do.

Speaker 4:
[29:14] Yeah, you know, you just take a bite and it's like you're just juicy in your mouth. And then you take a bite of the fucking tamale. Oh, God, it's so good.

Speaker 3:
[29:22] We're going to Tommy's. All right, we're going to go to Tommy's and then we will be back after we go to Tommy's with this special break. Welcome back to VERY THAT with Delta and Raja. We are talking about living in Southern California and being, listen, in our, it's so weird, Raja, to say, you know, my birthday's in January. I'll be 45 years old. And it's just, I just don't, I really, and I'm not saying like, that I, oh, I'm so old, or oh God, I wish I was young. Like, I'm not doing any of that, but I'm just saying, I don't, that number, I feel like just the other day, I was in my early twenties, I feel like these things that we reference from when we were younger, it's weird to me that they don't still exist because I feel like if I drive by those places, I can recall all those things so quickly, immediately. And then when I make those references to younger people that I work with, they're like, what's this bitch talking about? And I'm like, where's, let me call Raja, let me call Philip, let me call, you know, who's going to remember this? But speaking of that, you know, we, we constantly hear something and we feel something, but we see something.

Speaker 4:
[30:54] Do you see something?

Speaker 3:
[30:56] Do you see something in this picture?

Speaker 4:
[30:59] Oh my God, look at this picture. This is a picture taken of us backstage at Peanuts, also known as 7969. We refer to this club quite often because it was the place that we worked at. I was there on both Mondays and Fridays sometimes, usually always on a Monday and Delta was as well. So here is a really interesting group of people. I'm going to name a few. One of my favorite people that I see is sort of lurking in the corner over to the right of us is the fabulous Jasmine.

Speaker 3:
[31:29] Oh, goddess.

Speaker 4:
[31:32] J-A-Z-Z-M-U-N, who is an actual goddess. And when we were kids growing up, she was the pinnacle and the absolute beacon of perfection in performance.

Speaker 3:
[31:45] You couldn't get better. You just can't get better. You really can't get better. She is an actress.

Speaker 4:
[31:49] She, throughout the 90s and the early 2000s, you may have seen her on so many different films and sitcoms and Jasmine was the thing that I was attaining to be. And she, you know, was only a few years older than me. But when I, in my mind, as a young drag queen, I was like, when I grew up, I'm going to be Jasmine. And Jasmine was, is, is phenomenal. You can look her up. Jasmine. Jasmine. Jasmine.

Speaker 3:
[32:18] I remember she used to have a show and it was, I think it was at Rage. I could be wrong, but it was called Five the Show.

Speaker 4:
[32:25] Oh, yes.

Speaker 3:
[32:26] And do you remember that? And I remember there was a little interview with her and they were like, well, tell us about your show. And she like looked at the camera and she went, one, two, three, four, five. And it was like, that was all she needed to tell you. Like it was so ominous. And it's like, what are you even talking about? Didn't matter because Jasmine was in control. And like, I know what you're saying. Like we would look at Jasmine and it was like, it was otherworldly and to this day, the beauty of Jasmine is otherworldly. The smile.

Speaker 4:
[32:57] The smile.

Speaker 3:
[32:58] I've never seen a smile.

Speaker 4:
[32:59] It was the big white teeth and then the-

Speaker 3:
[33:01] Could you ever see a bigger smile in your life? I don't think so. I don't. And she's still making music, still being an advocate in this world, here in Southern California, and stronger and as beautiful as ever. And it's just so exciting to see this because I know what you're talking about. I also see in here, Alexis Triple X. Yes!

Speaker 4:
[33:27] Alexis!

Speaker 3:
[33:28] Alexis Triple X. Mother Earth over here.

Speaker 4:
[33:31] I haven't seen her or spoken to her in years. She's one of my Facebook friends, but I haven't been on Facebook in a few months. But anyway, she is a cool chick. She now works as a... She runs a fashion showroom, where designers leave their pieces, and then she sort of rents them out or doles them out to different stylists, and has continued to work in that field. And is thriving in it. One thing I noticed in all of these photos is my waist size, because I think all these versatile fashions corsets, that one in particular, I thought I was being very experimental by doing something entirely in denim. And that particular corset and outfit has gone through many, many evolutions, including now it just sits in a box because I can't fit the damn thing.

Speaker 3:
[34:22] I mean, I do remember being, and I think, what else is in there? I'm trying to see what kind of top you have under that. Something like the coin dot, the coin dot sparkly.

Speaker 4:
[34:34] Please explain a coin dot to people who don't know a coin dot.

Speaker 3:
[34:37] A coin dot, if you're not familiar. So there's sequin fabric, which would be like small pieces of plastic or metal that are hand sewn on to something into yardage. And then you cut that up and you make outfits out of it. You can also get what's called a coin dot or a heat sequin, which is those same kind of things that are ironed on already on the fabric and it's less expensive. And you can tell.

Speaker 4:
[35:02] And you can tell.

Speaker 3:
[35:04] And you can tell. But I will say, I've learned something in my life. And that is if something is really inexpensive and you use a lot of it, you can't always tell how inexpensive it looks. So you can get away with a lot more. But if you're spending the money, I remember one time I was downtown shopping for fabric and I was making myself like an Elvis jumpsuit, like a ladies Elvis jumpsuit. And I was trying, I didn't know what the cutouts were called when I went along the Elvis pant. And I was, I found out it was called a Godot.

Speaker 4:
[35:37] Oh really?

Speaker 3:
[35:38] And I didn't know that. And this person was shopping and she said, I was looking at the fabrics and she was an older, older homosexual and said, oh, that was beautiful. That's beautiful fabric. What are you making? And I was trying to explain what it was. And she said, if you're going to use just a little bit of that fabric by the more expensive one, it's going to look even better. And I said, oh, thank you so much. And she said, that's called a good dough, blah, blah, blah, blah. And as she's walking away, we had a little chit chat. She handed me her card. And I later found out many years later that that person was that person was Dragon Lady.

Speaker 4:
[36:12] No way. Oh, my God. Legendary, legendary, legendary.

Speaker 3:
[36:17] She was so kind to me and just took her time to talk to some little, you know, round queen that thought they knew what they were doing. I barely had any money. But she said, spend your money wisely if it's really going to show. But if it doesn't matter, you can use something less expensive. Anyway, just a thing, you know, just a thing.

Speaker 4:
[36:35] You know, we were talking about different things that are cool in LA and what we grew up with. Downtown LA., yo, I'm telling you, it is a one-stop shop. And it might be the only reason that it would be very difficult for me to ever leave Southern California is downtown LA. And if it ever changed, even through all the gentrification that it's gone through, it has still remained as one of the best places to find great fabric and notions. You can get things for a dollar, $1.99 a yard. And again, if you get lots of it, if you get 20 yards at $2, what is that? $40? I mean, you know, so that is definitely one of my favorite things about living in LA. So, I might be wearing a coin dot. And I think I remember exactly what coin dot tube outfit that was. It was probably like an iridescenty green. But really, all I was worried about then was just trying to get the trade. Because that was the club to get the trade at. And I wanted to be as beautiful and as, you know, fuckable as a trade would like me to be.

Speaker 3:
[37:42] So, I love that. I love that. Fuckable.

Speaker 4:
[37:46] Fuckable by the trade.

Speaker 3:
[37:47] Fuckable. You also see Melissa is here. Melissa Prime, Melissa, who is a Shakira impersonator, a Selena impersonator, a woman goddess, I mean. Beautiful. Kalexius Colby is here.

Speaker 4:
[38:02] Kalexius Colby, a legendary makeup artist who's standing in between Jasmine and, yeah. And Kalexius, you know, was a, I am not really sure what Kalexius has been up to, but legendary makeup artist who worked with the likes of Janet Jackson. Um, you know, name it. She did it. She was there.

Speaker 1:
[38:21] This is-

Speaker 3:
[38:22] And of course, Viva here, the mother of Club Peanuts, Club 7969.

Speaker 1:
[38:26] Yep, yep.

Speaker 4:
[38:27] All there. All of us were there.

Speaker 3:
[38:30] I love that. I see something.

Speaker 4:
[38:32] We were so sexy and I can smell this picture. And it does not smell bad. It smells like a bunch-

Speaker 3:
[38:40] What would be a perfume you think you might have been wearing then?

Speaker 4:
[38:42] At that time, I was going to Sephora, probably getting- There was one that smelled- Was it called Sugar? Or- No.

Speaker 3:
[38:51] Was there Sephora back then?

Speaker 4:
[38:53] Yes, there was Sephora back then. Sephora came out like-

Speaker 3:
[38:55] Oh, that's new to me.

Speaker 4:
[38:56] Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, because there was one that was like a pink- It had a pink top on it.

Speaker 3:
[39:02] Sugar Rush or-

Speaker 4:
[39:04] Sugar something. Sugarcane. Was it Sugarcane? Honey? Was it Sugarcane?

Speaker 3:
[39:10] It could have been.

Speaker 4:
[39:10] It could have been Sugarcane.

Speaker 3:
[39:13] I know that I am wearing, very likely, a bottle of, given to me by Philip Dominguez, and it was a bottle of Lolita Lempica.

Speaker 4:
[39:22] Lolita Lempica.

Speaker 3:
[39:25] Do you remember?

Speaker 4:
[39:25] Lolita Lempica. No, I don't remember what that smells like, but-

Speaker 3:
[39:30] You don't? Girl, fuck off. You do so.

Speaker 4:
[39:32] Lolita Lempica. No.

Speaker 3:
[39:34] Okay. Well, you don't know anything about fragrance. I don't.

Speaker 4:
[39:36] Not as well as you. I'm not versed. I only know certain things about fragrance.

Speaker 3:
[39:40] See, I heard you were versed, and then now you're saying you're not. I don't even-

Speaker 4:
[39:44] Not in fragrance. I either like it to smell exactly like ass, or I like it to smell like sugar cane.

Speaker 3:
[39:53] Sugar cane. Well, listen, we want to thank you all for listening to this episode of VERY THAT. We come out every single Monday. Wherever you procure your podcast, whatever app you use, whatever, it always comes out on Monday. So you can subscribe to that so you know exactly when you're going to hear it come out. And you can also rate us please and rate us high so that other people can find out about this very niche podcast. You know, it's very specific, but we talk about things I think that everyone would be interested in hearing about. And you can also watch us make the podcast on YouTube. It comes out the same day on Mondays.

Speaker 4:
[40:31] And we want to thank our friends. Today we had Claire and we had Daniel, who have submitted some questions for us to answer. And you can send those to Delta and Raja at gmail.com anytime. And we'll filter through them. And who knows, maybe we can answer some questions for you and enlighten you a little bit further on our experiences in drag, in life, and just being fucking crazies in SoCal.

Speaker 3:
[41:04] Fucking firme. firme. Being firme. And you can follow us. We're on Instagram, Sutan Amrull. That's where you can follow Raja or Delta Work. You can follow me on Instagram as well.

Speaker 4:
[41:15] We love you so very much and we'll see you next Monday.

Speaker 3:
[41:21] Another episode of VERY THAT. Very that.

Speaker 4:
[41:40] Very that is produced by Forever Dog and Moguls of Media, aka MOM.

Speaker 3:
[41:46] Hosted by Delta Work and Raja.

Speaker 4:
[41:48] Music, sound design and editing by Will Pitts.

Speaker 3:
[41:51] Produced by Big Dipper.

Speaker 4:
[41:53] Executive produced by Willem Belli, Alaska, Brett Boehm, Joe Silio, and Michael B and Michael B. Boehm, Joe Silio, and Alex Ramsey.

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