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Speaker 1:
[00:00] You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you firsthand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible, from backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, welcome back to another episode of Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to John today. John's an individual with a very interesting story, the likes of which I don't believe has come up on the show before. So I'm looking forward to hearing it along with you, the listener. A few things about John. John is a Vietnam veteran, so thank you for your service in that regard, sir. And also, you've been a high school educator over the years in many different subjects, physics, mathematics, biology, earth and space science, computer science. And I believe you said you were a middle school teacher as well. Is that correct, John?

Speaker 2:
[01:16] Yes. Awesome. Yes, that's correct.

Speaker 1:
[01:19] Very good, very good. And then, would there be anything else that you would want to have the listeners be aware of for context before we get going with your experiences?

Speaker 2:
[01:32] I taught adults computer intro science in the high school when the computers first started coming out to try to get them, you know, to learn word processing and how to use the system, that kind of a thing. I attended Kent State when the Internet was first getting started. So I worked with computers when we had punch cards.

Speaker 1:
[02:00] Got it. And there's going to be a lot of listeners that that's going to be all new to. What year was that then that you were involved when the Internet first came around?

Speaker 2:
[02:12] Well, in 1982, it was just starting. They had, I think it was Berkeley. I think it was, if my memory serves me right, it was just starting to be set up. But we, at Kent State, they concentrated on teaching us computer science programs, such as Logo and others, other language.

Speaker 1:
[02:39] I used to be a developer. I know what you're talking about. I used to be a developer before I got into podcasting. And it sounds like it was a wild time back then when you had punch cards and all the old languages and COBOL and all that crazy stuff.

Speaker 2:
[02:55] There were no monitors back then.

Speaker 1:
[02:57] Right, exactly. You just fed the card in and all that good stuff. So you were, we were talking a little bit before the show started. And you had mentioned that, and I think this might be an interesting anecdote, that the Navy tried to get you to do some interesting things or?

Speaker 2:
[03:20] They wanted, my first day, we took all the Army regular tests, then they had me take another test and I scored the highest there. There were 80 guys in the room. And I thought, oh my, I messed up. What did I do wrong? And then they told me I scored the highest and they wanted me to go into nuclear because I was inclined to that. And, but I settled for raider men. I went into electronic zone and radar instead, four years instead of six years.

Speaker 1:
[03:51] Okay. Gotcha.

Speaker 2:
[03:52] And then I graduated in the top three of my class. So I was able to pick my duty station and I volunteered for Vietnam. I wanted to be where, wherever it was going on, I wanted to be part of it.

Speaker 1:
[04:07] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[04:07] At that time. It was kind of patriotic at that time.

Speaker 1:
[04:12] Right. It was a completely different world.

Speaker 2:
[04:16] Yeah, it was a different mindset.

Speaker 1:
[04:18] Yeah, a different mindset. You also mentioned that you've been to many different, different interesting locations around, I believe the US and maybe even the world, different radio installations, things like that.

Speaker 2:
[04:35] Yeah, Green Bank, I've been to Apache Point in New Mexico, National Astronomy Observatory, Tucson, Kitt Peak, Mount Palomar, Berkeley. I'm just writing off names here, Tulsa, Oklahoma, let's see, Langley, number of times to Langley, John Hopkins, George Washington University. I have biotechnology with cloning at Clarion University. Just, I worked in Houghton, Michigan. They were working on, the Michigan Tech was working on catalytic converters at the time. They were studying those, and we did a lot. Two years, I worked in a copper mine up there, and I worked with explosives. We actually did mining, drilling, and worked with the Tonka toys, the big trucks and that.

Speaker 1:
[05:37] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[05:37] Got to drive them and that, and the equipment, and just got a really good geological background there of that area.

Speaker 1:
[05:47] Did you say you were involved with a cloning program as well?

Speaker 2:
[05:51] Well, learning, first learning when cloning came out, I was involved with that. I went to Clary, and then they followed up later. I went to, I was down at George Washington University. We got to see Gillette was doing something new at that time. They were taking cadaver eyes and cloning them rather than injecting stuff into the rabbit's eyes. They were trying to do away with animal testing, and they were trying to substitute these cloned cadaver eye contacts. And there's various other things too, like the study of the monkey brains, and that was there when I was at George Washington also. I was the health physics teacher of the year in 2004, and that award was given in Washington, DC also, not far from George Washington University. And the background basically was radon, getting the information out. I had my students using kits that were homemade, developed. We developed them in our own, at the school. Then the students would take them home, and then if we found one that was high, elevated, we would follow it up with the store-bought radon kit and see if it held up, and it always did. So our testing was really good. We did a very good job. And we were able to warn a number of parents, because in Western Pennsylvania, we do have a problem with radon, and people don't realize it can cause lung cancer.

Speaker 1:
[07:48] That's so cool. So you were actually potentially saving people in the community that you were also a teacher.

Speaker 2:
[07:55] Making them aware. Making them aware. You know?

Speaker 1:
[07:57] Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[07:59] And I worked with the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon in workshops on various science things. Mathematics, Indiana University. I've spoken in national science teacher conferences, state conferences. I've written many, many grants over the years. So I have a very, I helped develop at San Antonio, Texas. One year we did a national standards for science and mathematics. I was involved with that. So I've seen a gamut of everything that a science educator could come across.

Speaker 1:
[08:44] That's really cool. And I wanted to take a few minutes to kind of lay the foundation work for what you've been involved in through your life. And it is a really, it's just a lot of really cool stuff that I want to. So before we dive into it, would you be able to share, you know, I'm guessing, well, so the location, the year if possible, time of year, so that listeners really get where we're talking about, if you're able to share that information.

Speaker 2:
[09:20] All right. Well, we'll have to go back to 1963. I was 15 years old. Now, there may have been something that happened before, and if anybody does any research in this background, you know that that's very possible because it seems to run in the family, and my son's affected. It is not always conscious. In other words, you're not fully conscious all the time, and that's something that the viewer must understand first. But in 1963, I was 15, I was in a bunk bed with my brother who was above me, and I had my two other brothers were in their bunk beds, and there was six in our family, and the two girls were in the room next door, and I saw these, something woke me up, and I saw the, I heard a noise, and I saw all these lights flashing in the room, and I thought, oh, it's a ambulance, a police car, fire truck, what's going on, you know? Like something across the street, something like that. So I go to look, I go to the window, and when I pull the curtain back, as these lights are flashing, I'm staring into the face of a gray alien, and then I lose consciousness. And then the next thing I remember, consciously, is coming down the hallway to my bedroom, and I'm saying to myself, why am I coming down this hallway? Why am I going to my bedroom? In other words, there was a huge gap in time. And I went in and I lay down, and I no sooner lay down than I got up, and I went over to my mother, and my dad had, he worked shifts, so I didn't want to wake him, so I woke my mom, and we discussed it. And she said, oh, you had a bad dream. I said, oh no, this was not a dream. And I told her, I said, we have to contact President Kennedy. We have to let him know what's going on. This is unbelievable. And I started to tell her some of the things that I saw and remembered from, as I remembered things as it was happening. Now listen, I'm 15. In 1963, I think Betty and Barney Hill was 61, and nobody, there was nobody to talk to. There was nobody to share this information with, you know? They only close us, that's why I went to my mom. So anyhow, we discussed it, and then I went back and laid down in the bedroom, and it took a while for me to go to sleep, and I had school the next day even. Well, now we'll jump. I'm 34.

Speaker 1:
[12:07] Sorry, real quick. What area of the US did that happen in?

Speaker 2:
[12:11] Okay, that had happened in Cranberry Township. Today it's called Cranberry Township. We used to just call it Cranberry until some other place took that name. Anyhow, the Cranberry Township, further away, it was 281 Robin Hood Drive.

Speaker 1:
[12:29] And that's in Pennsylvania?

Speaker 2:
[12:31] Yeah, and that was in the fall of 63. It wasn't early. It was earlier. It was still warm, like, you know? And I didn't write the date down because, like I said, I was 15, you know, and I was astounded, just simply astounded what happened. And who could I talk to? Who could you share that information with? So I jump ahead to, I left that, let it go, to 1982. This is May 5th. I'm in an 1835 built farmhouse in Hammondsville, Ohio. The Hammonds, whom the town is named after, had this house, this farmhouse. They had like, I don't know, 3,300 acres. And when they originally were there, and it had run down now since, you know, in those earlier days, the farm had, they had let it go. The owners were elderly, and they rented out half the house. And my wife and I rented it as I started teaching down there in 76. And I coached football and basketball, and, you know, I taught science and computer science and all that. And anyhow, I get back to the story, and in chapter 82, I heard this noise. And I woke up. It was like 2 o'clock in the morning, and I could hear these dogs barking down the valley. And as it got closer to me, the dogs with, the dogs that lived closer to me, they started barking and barking. And in other words, I could sense that something was moving toward the farmhouse. And I could hear them yelp. They would yelp. And I would think, oh, they're chasing a deer, and the deer is kicking them, and it's causing them to yelp. Well, it kept doing that. And finally, I heard this noise, and it was a droning sound. And I'll try to reproduce it here in a moment. But I sensed this huge, humongous object over the farmhouse. I thought at first it was an airplane, a coal truck coming down the hill. You know, I went through all the gamut, and the next thing I know, I sense this huge object above me. I don't know how to explain it other than that. The intensity. And it was like somebody had taken a knife and stuck it in your ear. That's how it hurt. And then I knew why the dogs were barking, because my ears hurt. And then all of a sudden, they were curious because I had a train layout, an HO train layout, eight by four, and they kept scanning it. It bothered them. They couldn't figure, you know, in my mind, they couldn't figure out what it was. And I know there's no such thing as humor in this thing, but it was like hilarious that they kept going back over that. And then they let it go, and the rain went off. But it was still there above us. And then I sensed, I always left the door open to the, we were on the top floor. I left the door open because it was a coal-fired house, and if I smelled smoke, I wanted to be able to get us out of there. And my son was in his crib on the left side near my wife at the time. And she's out, and I'm all in on my side now. I was on my back. I'm on my side now looking toward the door because I have a sense that something, a presence is coming to that door. And when a hand come around the door, I said, you know, who is, I didn't go, who is that? What are you doing here? What's going on? You know, or anything like a normal reaction would be, I said, here they come again. Not, you know, this wasn't the first time. Here they come again. And that's part of the problem is there are many things that happen. But this is the conscious parts of the hearts, you know, the ones that you hold on to. They, so when that happened, next thing you know, I'm out. Then I get little snapshots along the way. I'm going through the roof. I'm, and not many people have ever explained the same thing to me, but I was put on like this cot. That's the only, for want of a better word, that was a transfer, transfer device. And I'm laid on it. And we literally go up through the roof. And I can see the sky. I can see the stars. And I'm taken up to this vehicle. And then when we get up to the vehicle, they had to maneuver me to get me into the vehicle. And again, a little bit of humor. It was like, these people come all the way across the universe, et cetera, here. And they have trouble getting me into the vehicle. It was bizarre. And then they do get me in, and then I blackout again, and I'm awake and I go through tests. We'll just stop it there, okay? Tests. And the next thing you know, I'm being taken back out, the same manipulation in reverse, and down I come. I'm looking toward the ground from about a thousand feet up, somewhere around there, you know, 500 or 1000 feet up, and I'm taken down, and I'm stood in front of this one, which will look like a mantis being, and I'm in front of him, and he is penetrating my eyes. He's looking right into my eyes, and he's downloading. He's giving me information, and all I can do is say, Oh, oh, oh, oh. He took me to the core of who my consciousness was, took me down to the very, my very being, and he was implanting stuff in there, is all I can tell you. And the next thing you know, they're taking me back. And I'm laying on the bed, I wake up again, conscious, for a brief moment again. I'm waking up on the bed, my life's still out, and then they take my son, my three-year-old son, out the door. And I assume they took him up. But as they were taking him, I was crying. Now, that's where my con- well, then, after that happened, our next scene is I see the vehicle moving away. It's moving away from me, heading toward the west, because there were windows that I looked straight out from the farmhouse that way. And as it was moving away, I have turned to my wife and where she says to me, she says, what was that? She finally wakes up, and she says, what was that? I said, I don't know. That's what I said to her. You know, it was like unbelievable. I laid there for a few moments. It's like you couldn't move, and I can't explain that either. And the next thing you know, I'm angry. I feel like I've been violated, which I was. And I'm taking, I go downstairs, and I'm looking for any evidence I can find, because I thought for sure that all that vibration would have shattered the glass chandelier, or a glass, or something would have been broken. Nope, nothing. No proof. And I'm physically exhausted, physically drained, and, you know, emotionally. And it's almost like PTSD, you know, I just... So I had school the next day, and I sought out the children, and I asked them if they heard anything, saw anything, and some of the students did. They did see lights, and they did hear noises, and they did see something. And one girl off the street said they definitely saw something in the sky. And then there were reports in the local papers, even here in Pittsburgh, of UFO sightings on that day. And I had to get it out to somebody. So I told the biology teacher, I won't mention his name here, but I told the biology teacher, and he just looked at me, of course, and I said, I know you don't, I know you won't understand this, I know you won't believe this, but I have to tell somebody to confirm that this happened, so that years later, somebody could say, yeah, you did tell me, he did say that. And so I did that. And then the next time was, it's been many years, where consciously I remember was in 2020, and I had another episode, I will just say that. But the Bigfoot happened after the second one, down there in Hammondsville. And that I can talk about now.

Speaker 1:
[22:43] And before we do that, I had just an observation about the Hammondsville incident.

Speaker 2:
[22:51] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[22:52] The way, so I've never interviewed a abductee before.

Speaker 2:
[22:56] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[22:59] I don't believe so. I've talked to a lot of people. I don't think I've talked to an abductee. So I'm not really familiar with how things usually go, but it's interesting. You mentioned a few things where, one was that you passed out, you went right to sleep, it sounds like. And that kind of comes up a lot in Bigfoot encounters too. They have something, the witness has something happened, and all of a sudden, they just go right to sleep. Also, the other thing that sometimes comes up is, you talked about how you were given information or implanted information or downloaded into your conscious. And that does come up sometimes with certain Bigfoot encounters as well. Sometimes it's after the encounter, and they start having dreams at home, and they start having this information downloaded to them from somewhere.

Speaker 2:
[24:06] I had a lot of dreams after the encounters, and more multiple contacts after that. One thing I didn't tell you is I went to Stan Gordon, and I talked to him. They had a conference over in Neuroville at the time, and I was leery about coming out and talking about it. I did not want to do it. I had my whole career ahead of me. I didn't want to mess that up. So I, no one would believe you anyhow at that point in time. And this is, that's 1982 even. And I wrote to John, Bud Hopkins, all the famous, Mac, all the famous people, and they advised me to use somebody locally. And even Stan sent me to a hypnotist locally. And I went to him, and he put me under hypnosis. I didn't think I could be hypnotized. And he put me under hypnosis, and a lot of this came out under hypnosis. And when it came to the scene where they were taking my son, tears literally were rolling down my face because I couldn't do anything under hypnosis on crime, and in front of another man. So you understand, you know, this was not, you know. And then he asked me, and when it was over, after we went through the session there, he asked me to come back for the, when I was a child. And I was a little leery of doing that at that time because I thought, well, I don't know if I want to, I don't know if I want to open up the whole can of worms. You know, I don't know whether I'd be able to handle everything that happened maybe. So I was leery. And I do have to say this after the second one, they tell you, don't talk about it. The aliens tell you, the aliens don't want you talking about it.

Speaker 1:
[26:05] Really?

Speaker 2:
[26:06] Well, they do it, I think, to protect me. In other words, to protect the abductee. They don't want to put to jeopardize your existence. But I think they really stress, don't do it. But me being a little defiant, I told myself, I'm going to tell people, I'm going to get this up. But I never did. I wrote it all down. I wrote everything down that happened. And then finally, as I got older, I finally, it's time. And so I started to talk about it at various organizations. And like with, I gave Nick Pope a copy of it, and various Bud Hopkins, and all, you know, everybody that I could contact, Preston Dennett. And I gave Nick Hunter at UFO Chronicles the information. We did a podcast together, and I've done a few others to get this information out.

Speaker 1:
[27:13] That's fascinating. It is really cool that you were able to talk to Stan about it, because if you look at a map, I mean, you're just over that border area from Southwest Pennsylvania. I mean, you've got the little West Virginia part between you guys, but I mean, it's all right there. So fascinating stuff.

Speaker 2:
[27:37] Yeah, so then I had it in Pennsylvania, then Ohio, and then back again in Pennsylvania again, consciously now, you know.

Speaker 1:
[27:48] So let's talk next about how that led then into Bigfoot experience that you had.

Speaker 2:
[27:55] Okay. It was in the fall. That happened in May, and by fall, we were getting, I think, closer to Thanksgiving celebration. We were gonna go up for my parents back up in Pennsylvania, who were still living at the farmhouse in Ohio, at Hammondville. And I had pulled the car out, and got it ready while she got my three-year-old son ready to go to go on the trip. And I do have to set the conditions a little bit. I had had feelings, I don't know how to explain it, but I had premonitions. And like I would have a premonition that something was gonna happen, and sometimes bad. And I would, you know, like feel odd about things until something passed. For example, one day we were going to go, and it was threatening snow and whatever, and we delayed, and then we went wherever we were gonna go. And later to come find out that the people up the hill came down right after us and had an accident right down there, that intersection. So if we would have delayed a little bit or been a little bit earlier, we might have been involved in it. So it's stuff like that that has happened that I have, you know, premonitions about things and dreams. I have lots of dreams. I dream in color, full-length movies. And they're with sound sometimes, not always. And like I said, they're just a whole, I mean, you could make a movie about my dreams. They're that extensive and detailed at times. I've dreamt about famous people who have died, my uncle, etc. I had a dream where we threw a party at my house that I lived at at the time, at Lake Tomahawk up in Ohio. And I had a dream that everybody came, and then we celebrated, and then everybody left, but I didn't see my dad and his brother leave. And the next thing you know, I do see my dad, but I don't see his brother. And they are very close. And I seen the basement filling up with water, and I'm thinking, where's all this water coming from? In my dream, you know? And lo and behold, three days later, he was tragically killed in an accident at the mill up in Lawrence Town. Um, and to follow that up, years after he died, I had a dream. He came to me in the dream and said I was to contact his wife. Well, all day, I kicked that around. I kicked that around, and I said, I can't, I can't contact her. I don't want to open up old wounds, get her upset, et cetera, you know? But I gave in eventually because it kept bothering me. It kept gnawing at me all day. And I called her, and she says, well, do you know what today is? I said, no. She said it was his birthday. So I had contacted her on his birthday. I didn't, I didn't remember, you know, his birthday, you know, the significance, you know? But I've had premonitions, like I'd tell my mom, dad's coming home. She said, well, he's not due. He's working a shift. He's not due. We'll hear the power when my dad came home. I didn't know that. But those are the kinds of, when I was in the Navy, I had a premonition that we were going to receive a flash priority message to proceed to Korea. And I came up on watch, and I told the guys I had this dream, and I saw, you know, fire and red, and we were up in the Sea of Japan. Lo and behold, five minutes after I tell them that, we receive a flash priority message, proceed to Japan, to North, to South Korea. We went up in the Sea of Japan, up there, we were up near Varyavasko, Russia, and we had enemy bombers fly over us. I was an electronic countermeasure, so they would turn the fire control radar on, and I would know that they were, you know, preparing to bomb us or whatever. So, you know, I've had these things happen. So anyhow, I had those kind of, that kind of like feeling or premonition, and I went and moved the car out, and they still weren't ready. I checked the oil and all that stuff you do before a trip. I will, the day, earlier I saw, had seen a, like I said, this was, wasn't really, really cold that day. And I had seen a big snake, a black snake up on the sycamore tree. They're white like, and I saw it up on one of the branches. And so I just walked up that way, and I passed the sycamore and I went up. There was a fence, a railing, that ran the whole length of the way as like a back entrance to the farmhouse. You came up this hillside, and off the side of the hill was a gully. And this gully was very, very deep. And I wouldn't want to walk down there, because there would be snakes, and it was always damp, and just the leaves just littered there for who knows how long. No one ever raked them or anything, you know? And like I said, it was a gully down in there. And so there weren't many leaves on the trees. They were pretty well denuded by that time. You know, we had buckeye trees and some pine trees. But it ran up behind the garage area, where I pulled the car out, and there was a circle in front of the farmhouse, and I would park it on that circle. And I walked over to the railing, and I no sooner got there, and I was just sort of relaxing, like letting everything go. And I seen these, like, two of them were up in the front. It was almost like a military movement. There was one on the left and one on the right in this gully. And there was, I sensed there was at least one more in the front that I couldn't see, but I saw like the leaves had been, were moving. As I gazed to my left, there was one opposite and one on this side of the gully, and like one or two in behind. And then in the middle was a female and a bigger male, and the female had a baby in her arms. And I was just floored. I was just like, wow, you know, it wasn't it wasn't even consciousness like, you know, what am I going to do? We didn't have cameras, you know, on us at that time. No, you know, it was before your cell phones and that. And I just took it in. And then he looked up at me and our eyes met. And they weren't lollygagging. They were moving pretty good up through that gully. And I, for the life of me, I don't understand this. I just turned and walked away. I just turned a little bit of fear, but also like it was odd. Like, you know, it's not like I consciously wanted to get away from there, but it also was sort of like fascinating. But it yet, I just turned and walked away. Away from there, I never looked back. Didn't even look back. Walked away. So I don't understand, you know, my reaction to seeing that as they moved up through that cove. And like I said, I wouldn't go down to that cove. I wouldn't traverse that cove, because there could be snakes down in there and whatever. You know, it's a little rocky in that down in there, you know, where the water ran down from the farm. So I wouldn't go in there. But that gully led up into the woods, and then that was thick up in there, thick woods. No one would ever see them move in there. And then the power lines were right up there too, and they would move, there was a free avenue to get through up there too. So them being near the power lines, the same thing is true where I lived in Fernway. There was a big substation at the end of the street at Fernway when I lived there. And of course in Hammondsville, we had the coal fire plants right down there near us also, you know, generating electricity. There might be some connection there, I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[37:36] Yeah, definitely, potentially. So, this happened, I got definitely a few questions. So, this happened in late 1982.

Speaker 2:
[37:46] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[37:47] And this was north of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2:
[37:51] Yeah, this was in Hammondsville, Ohio.

Speaker 1:
[37:54] Oh, this is Hammondsville, okay, thank you.

Speaker 2:
[37:55] At the same bar-house where I had the second abduction.

Speaker 1:
[37:59] Gotcha, okay, thank you.

Speaker 2:
[38:00] There were Bigfoot prints found near Toronto, Ohio after this. People had seen, had had sightings, etc. So, mine wasn't unique.

Speaker 1:
[38:16] So, how many do you think were there in that area? Because it sounds like you were seeing multiple.

Speaker 2:
[38:23] Yeah, there had to be, like, from what, from the feeling that, from what I had seen, looked like there were six of them there, at least. And they were, the ones that were on the sides were smaller, like they were younger. And they were in the, he was older, he was bigger, older, and then two in the back were a little bit bigger, or a little bit older. But it was like a strategic military operation where they were moving through the woods, and they were ready for anything. It was really interesting. I mean, they weren't clumped together, you know what I mean? They weren't within two feet. They were strategically placed to move through that gully, up that hillside. And the two were walking up side of the gully, inside of the gully, and they were down in the gully, the adult and the female. They were down in the gully. So this was, they were keeping their distance from each other as they moved.

Speaker 1:
[39:28] How close, so thinking of all the ones that you're looking at at that time, how close was the one that was nearest to you?

Speaker 2:
[39:40] Oh, I'd say probably 20 feet.

Speaker 1:
[39:48] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[39:49] At the most 25 feet. And he had to be about 30 feet down there in the gully, him and her. They had to be at least 30, 35 feet down in there. And he didn't look that big to me, but then I had never seen anyone walk down in that gully, so I have nothing to judge that.

Speaker 1:
[40:11] That's true. Yeah, you have a unique view point.

Speaker 2:
[40:16] I couldn't tell exactly how big he was, but they were hairy. They were dark haired. Almost their whole face was dark or hairy. It wasn't clear like ours. You know, there was a lot of hair. The hair was sort of brown to black. It was, that's, you know, it had a little bit of a mixture, like some part of the body was browner than lower, and then the upper was different color.

Speaker 1:
[40:51] Were they making any sounds that you could hear at all?

Speaker 2:
[40:54] Quiet. The only thing you heard was leaves rustle. That's it. That's what caught my attention, was the fact that I heard, I was sort of just like looking out over the gully toward the farmland in the back field, you know, just like gazing in the distance. And then I heard the noises and I looked down and that's when I saw them.

Speaker 1:
[41:15] Was the rustle of the leaves. Yeah. Did they have a certain way of moving at all?

Speaker 2:
[41:22] They were methodical and they were moving pretty, at a good pace too. They weren't lollygagging. They were on a mission like to get somewhere, like they were going somewhere. You know, it wasn't a leisurely gait. You know, they were trying to move. You know, it appeared to me that way.

Speaker 1:
[41:44] Were you able to see any details about the face at all of any of them?

Speaker 2:
[41:50] Not real good because, like I said, he was at least 35 feet away. But like I said, I saw his eyes and my eyes met. And for me to see his eyes, he had to be pretty good size. You know what I mean? The eyes and that had to be pretty good size for me to zone in right on his eyes like that.

Speaker 1:
[42:12] Yeah, and when you're able to connect eyes with something, that's definitely a pretty special connection. Were you able to get any emotion or was there any emotion from the face that you were able to see?

Speaker 2:
[42:29] The overall feeling I had was like, leave us alone. Like, it didn't want to go there. Like, avoid this at all possible kind of feeling. Like, they didn't want a conflict. You know, it just came across that way. It wasn't like fear, you know, daggers. It was just like avoidance.

Speaker 1:
[43:03] Bigfoot Witnesses, it's all across the board. Sometimes what they have seen is described as something that looks like some human relative or something that looks like some kind of undiscovered great ape in the woods. Would you lean towards either side, or is what you saw that day something completely different?

Speaker 2:
[43:26] It looked more human. It really did. It looked more human, especially the way she was carrying the baby in her arms. It was not ape-like in gait, in movement, in the way they turned, the way he looked at me. There was intelligence behind this. This was not just an animal, so to speak, that you would see in the zoo or whatever kind of thing. This had, you could see that it was rational from the way it reacted.

Speaker 1:
[44:05] That's a really cool way to put it. Have you seen anything, let's say, like anything, an illustration in a book or on TV that was close to what you saw that day?

Speaker 2:
[44:23] I think some of the more recent pictures that they've been pulling lately, that show the face, you know, like a darker face, but yet it's sort of like a gray face, that that looks more real to what I saw, you know, to what I had seen at that time. I remember one time looking at a guerrilla picture in a National Geographic one time, and I got all upset, and I couldn't figure out why I was so upset about that picture. And it just bothered me that it had had that impact on me. It wasn't like, there was some fear, but it wasn't like that. It was like that I had had an encounter or something, that it had triggered a memory of something with an animal like that. And, you know, that, like I said, sometimes you have these unconscious things that pop up. You'll get little snapshots about what happened in the abduction or in some contact of some kind. But I don't know why my reaction was so fierce to that picture in the National Geographic, because I've looked at gorillas before, never, never, ever. But there was something about that face on that gorilla that triggered the reaction in me, very strong reaction. So I don't know if it went back to the day when I've seen them or some other event. I don't know. We one time had, we would go up and use, we used the garden up above to plant tomatoes and various pumpkins and things up there. And when my son was little, we used to carry them in a little, you know, one of those carry things you put children in. And we had a strange thing happen. We were up there working in the garden and, and you can say, well, it just happens. That my wife and I both were working up there, and we had taken him up and we had set him into the field. And we both went down at the farmhouse, and we turned to each other and said, well, where's, where's our son? Where's, where's Hans? And we realized we left him up in the garden. We can't, to this day, we can't figure out why we did that. You know, we were so protective of him. And it was like, well, how did that happen? You know, and you can say, well, that can happen. You know, but no, it's just like, sometimes things happen that are like bizarre, you know, like off the wall, you know? So.

Speaker 1:
[47:32] Oh, a hundred percent. Did anyone else on that property have any Bigfoot sightings as well?

Speaker 2:
[47:39] The elderly, the elderly people that lived there, they shared the other side of the farmhouse, and we were friendly with them and all, but we never talked about it. We never raised it with them because I was, they were upstanding characters in the community, and I didn't want other people to know at that time what I had experienced. I was afraid it would ruin my standing in the community and career. So I didn't, I didn't discuss it with them. But.

Speaker 1:
[48:11] Gotcha.

Speaker 2:
[48:12] But whether or not they were affected, I have no idea. They never talked about anything like that. They never raised the, you know, I never tried raising it with them either. I never thought to. I never thought they would be touched. I thought they were here for me and my family. Yeah, that's what I thought. Not everybody is abducted. And that's the problem. Why? Why me? That was, that was the hardest part in the beginning. Was like, well, why did they do this? And I, I was angry like for many, many years about this, you know. And then as I got old, as I'm older now, I think they gave me something. They definitely opened my mind up. They definitely made me aware of things. And from that point on, I was really involved in science and mathematics deeply. I just went off the scale and stuff. And so I think some of that might be attributed to what happened. I do remember when I was little, I do remember being and looking in front of screens and seeing this. I remember looking out a window from space back at Earth. I remember I was being taught things on these ships. There's little snapshots of things that happen that creep into it. Now, what was I taught? What was I shown? I was shown areas around the world that had red spots on them. Africa, South America, the Middle East. You would probably say, well, that's nothing new today, but back then, the threat to Kennedy wasn't known at that time. The threat to our country or to what the UFOs were doing. You know, that was all new too, you know?

Speaker 1:
[50:10] Okay, so they were showing you the places to be aware of that there could be things.

Speaker 2:
[50:16] And the other thing people have to understand is they can dip in and out of time. And they can stretch time, elongate it. They know, it's like they know the future in a way because they're there at that point, at that time. It's bizarre. And people will say, oh, you could, I would do this. You don't do nothing. You're not in control. They are in control. You think you would do, you wouldn't do. First of all, you're scared out of your mind. You know, this is not normal. This isn't something that you go lightly into. Let me tell you.

Speaker 1:
[51:01] I think that's a common thread to what you just said, which is on the Bigfoot side, a lot of people will say, okay, so you're out there in that area and you have this experience, and why do you freak out and why do you get out of there? Well, because you just don't realize what it's like until you're there. It's hard to control things. And then also, you almost just said a version of...

Speaker 2:
[51:25] You're not prepared for doing that, you know.

Speaker 1:
[51:28] Be careful what you wish for. I don't know, is that said in the UFO field too?

Speaker 2:
[51:32] Yeah, because a lot of people say, oh, I would do this and I would do that, and I'd get something to bring back. That ain't going to happen. Like I said, you're not in control. They control every minute, every second, every... There's no locks, there's no doors, there's no way... You can't hide from them. They want you, they got you. Let me tell you that. And that...

Speaker 1:
[51:59] Talking about the aliens specifically.

Speaker 2:
[52:01] Yes. Yeah, and as far as Bigfoot goes, like I said, I wasn't prepared. I wasn't expecting this. It just... It's like, how do you prepare yourself for that, you know?

Speaker 1:
[52:15] I don't think you can, to be honest.

Speaker 2:
[52:17] Today, we might be able to have a better chance of that because so many people have experienced it and come forward and explain what they have experienced. But back, you know, a few decades, nope, we weren't prepared. We were no way were we prepared.

Speaker 1:
[52:44] Absolutely. Would you ever want to see? Have you ever had a desire to to see a Bigfoot again since that time?

Speaker 2:
[52:55] No, that's a good question. I had never thought about that. I assume that if I'm in the woods, it's a possibility. I would assume because I had the experience one time, I would assume that it possibly could happen again. And it's just like this abduction. It wasn't over the first time, it wasn't over the second time. And I know there were multiple times when they came, that I consciously don't remember all of what happened. And they talk about the astral plane and stuff like that, where they can dip in and dip out. And there may be something to that. They're definitely interdimensional of some kind. They can pop in and pop out apparently.

Speaker 1:
[53:45] I'm talking about aliens. Yeah, and some people even think that there's a quite, I mean, I talk to people all over the Bigfoot community, but there's a lot of people will bring up the possibility of Bigfoot being able to go through different dimensions, or, you know, sounds like something very similar to what you just said, to be honest, so.

Speaker 2:
[54:13] You would wonder why they would be here in this dimension, why they would, if that's true, why would they choose Earth, you know, and want to be here in this dimension, unless it's a good place to be compared to other places, you know.

Speaker 1:
[54:33] It is, man, it is just, as I've said a lot of times on the show before is one of, I feel the Bigfoot is one of the last great mysteries that we have in the world. You can't just go on to a website and be like, give me all the information. Like, we don't have it, right? We have a lot of theories. We have a lot of people trying to figure it out. And so that is, that's what really draws it for me, draws me to it. And that's one of the things. But, you know, John, thank you so much for sharing what your experiences were. And it is one of the only times, I think, on the show that I've been able to talk to, you know, an abductee, but also an individual that has experienced a Bigfoot as well, or multiple Bigfoot in that situation, but.

Speaker 2:
[55:25] Yeah, it wasn't just one.

Speaker 1:
[55:27] Yeah, absolutely. I want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you had come to the show to share today. Yep. Fantastic. Fantastic. Well, thank you so much for, and if anything else ever comes up in the future, feel free to, you can always reach out, send me an email. I'd love to hear from you again, but, you know, thank you so much for coming on the show today, John.

Speaker 2:
[55:51] All right. Well, thank you for having me, because I think it, you know, makes everybody aware they're here in Ohio. They're here. They say they're here in Western Pennsylvania, too. And especially in the upper forest, you know, the forest area and what is it? South Forth Lake Park? Is that how they pronounce that?

Speaker 1:
[56:15] Oh, South Fork.

Speaker 2:
[56:16] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[56:16] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[56:16] Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty prevalent there, too, the sightings that they say they have, you know, recently, I guess, you know.

Speaker 1:
[56:24] So, Northeast Ohio, there's a lot going on right now. And so that's not too far away from that, that Hammondsville area that we're talking about. But yeah, keep us in the loop, John. And thank you so much for coming on today.

Speaker 2:
[56:40] See you.

Speaker 1:
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