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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Oh, Ana, you missed it earlier when we were gone. I came back and Matt was jerking off.

Speaker 2:
[00:04] Oh, was he? Well, I mean, this show is an aphrodisiac.

Speaker 3:
[00:09] FOS. Media, unclog your feed.

Speaker 4:
[00:13] In the Bravo universe, there are two equally destructive forces, the housewives who start it, and the producers who make sure it finishes on camera. These are their stories.

Speaker 1:
[00:31] Welcome back to another episode of Reality Court. My name is Ace Fanning, and I am joined by Miss America herself, Ana Quincoces. Miss Cuba, I apologize. Miss Cuba. Miss Cuba, Miss Cuba. Cuba Grin Jr. Guys, we have a guest today. Okay, and if you've been around reality TV for the past century, okay, you're gonna know our guest. You're gonna know our guest's work. You're going to have seen his work before.

Speaker 2:
[01:01] Read it, gotten exclusives from him.

Speaker 1:
[01:05] Read it?

Speaker 2:
[01:06] Read it, you've read his work.

Speaker 1:
[01:09] You've read the work, yes. Guys, please welcome to Reality Court, Mr. Matt Richards, aka Mr. Housewife.

Speaker 3:
[01:18] How's it going?

Speaker 1:
[01:19] How are you doing today, Matt?

Speaker 2:
[01:21] You're so cute, Matt. You really are very handsome.

Speaker 3:
[01:24] It's the Botox.

Speaker 1:
[01:27] Matt, before we get started, we have to swear you in.

Speaker 2:
[01:31] Yes, we do.

Speaker 1:
[01:31] All right. It's important that, you know, first time here we swear you in and make sure that you're not a fucking liar.

Speaker 2:
[01:37] It's just a one-time thing. Cause you know, this is Reality Court. It's very serious.

Speaker 3:
[01:41] It is very serious.

Speaker 2:
[01:43] Here we raise our left hand because it's more serious than in a court of law. And then you'd repeat after me, I, Matt Richards, do solemnly swear.

Speaker 3:
[01:54] I, Matt Richards, do solemnly swear.

Speaker 2:
[01:56] To tell some version of the truth.

Speaker 3:
[01:58] To tell some version of the truth.

Speaker 2:
[02:00] To own it.

Speaker 3:
[02:02] To own it.

Speaker 2:
[02:03] To not be all uncool.

Speaker 3:
[02:05] To not be all uncool.

Speaker 2:
[02:07] So help me, Andy Cohen.

Speaker 3:
[02:08] So help me, Andy Cohen.

Speaker 2:
[02:09] Okay. You're swearing it.

Speaker 1:
[02:11] Wow.

Speaker 3:
[02:12] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[02:12] So that means if you're lying to us right now, we're gonna know, okay, because daddy Andy was part of that. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2:
[02:20] And you'll have to live with that. You'll have to live with that.

Speaker 3:
[02:23] He's not my biggest fan anyway.

Speaker 1:
[02:25] Oh, shoot. Actually, you know what, guys? I think the interview's over. We're gonna be all done now.

Speaker 3:
[02:32] I don't know why he has me blocked on Instagram and I've never been able to figure out why.

Speaker 2:
[02:35] Really? Okay. Well, Andy, please, you know, I know you're listening. You listen to every episode. You wait patiently for it to come out and we want to know what the fuck is your problem with Mr. Housewife?

Speaker 3:
[02:48] And I've met him backstage and watched what happens multiple times. He's always been pleasant. I don't know why via Instagram block.

Speaker 1:
[02:54] I want to say this. Speaking of blocks, I'm using this platform to try and write one of my wrongs. I sent an email, didn't hear back. I was blocked recently by Queens of Bravo, and I'm very upset about it. And I would like to please be welcomed back into the Queens of Bravo. Why were you blocked, James? I misspoke, okay? I said that their opinion of the fact that Danielle coming on to In the City was a bad opinion, and they blocked me. And I apologize. I love Danielle. Huge fan. Huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge fan.

Speaker 2:
[03:29] But is that reason to block you?

Speaker 1:
[03:32] I don't know. Geez, we didn't block anybody. Maybe Danielle runs it. I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[03:36] I feel like people are very opinionated about this stuff.

Speaker 1:
[03:39] Yes, very.

Speaker 3:
[03:40] Very impassioned.

Speaker 1:
[03:41] Right. And you'll see that today as we talk to you about different reality shows. If you have anything wrong, we'll let you know.

Speaker 3:
[03:47] OK.

Speaker 1:
[03:48] There's always a right and there's always a wrong. Matt, let's OK, let's talk about Mr. Housewife. You've been around the fucking block a time or two. Let's talk about when you very first got started in the reality TV space.

Speaker 3:
[04:03] So 2012, I just like randomly my husband was like, you should blog about this stuff. You're watching it anyway. I think that was right when like Jersey was just sort of picking up steam. I think Miami was starting around then. Bravo was just blowing up and there weren't really a ton of people out in the space doing it. There was a Teen Mom blog that was popular, but that was solely Teen Mom and I was like just one of the first people and I started talking to people talking, Housewife started talking to me. I started going to events and just like kind of, I think Leah Black said it best once. She said that I was kind of like going into social circles that like I didn't really fit into but I somehow was making my way in, which sounds really offensive but it wasn't at all because that's just Leah and I love her. And it made sense and like all of a sudden like I was just being invited to parties and going to like OK Magazine events and making a lot of connections. So by 2014, I left my career and kind of went full in on this and the blog blew up. I mean, I was featured in In Touch Weekly, I was featured in People at one point, I think TMZ because there was some huge Teen Mom story I did. I went on Teen Mom, made appearances, I was background on Housewives of Jersey a few times. So it just kept growing. And it was definitely not what I expected to be doing with my chemistry degree. But here I am.

Speaker 1:
[05:12] What was the the Teen Mom story? What was the big one?

Speaker 3:
[05:15] So Farah Abraham and her dad got in a massive fight with Amber Portwood and Matt Byer on the reunion stage. Yeah, and I had sources leaking me the fight as it was happening real time. So I was the first person to report it and it just went viral, like massively viral.

Speaker 1:
[05:31] That was when things were much better.

Speaker 3:
[05:34] Much better in the reality world. It was much more fun.

Speaker 2:
[05:37] I think maybe Andy's problem is that you would get a lot of exclusives and they don't like when people disclose things before you see them on TV or have insight. I mean, he does not like that. I know.

Speaker 3:
[05:51] No, I know like Bravo. I've gotten reached out to many a time that they're not thrilled with things that I put out on the Internet. Yeah. I've tried explaining it's a job and they have their job to do and I understand that, I mean, it's just to protect their intellectual property, but then stuff I do helps to, you know, fuel visitors there and viewers.

Speaker 2:
[06:09] Exactly. Exactly. And I think that the bloggers, the podcasts and all that help perpetuate, you know, Bravo and help people want to see. You're kind of giving them a glimpse and then they're like, now they're going to want to see it on the show. So I don't think it's a terrible thing.

Speaker 1:
[06:25] You tickle my tits, I tickle your tits kind of sexually.

Speaker 3:
[06:28] Exactly. I feel like they, the fans also like it because they're so desperate. And I think you probably know this best from being on the show. They have this weird obsession with wanting to be close to all of you. So we're sort of like a bridge, like a step toward that direction for them. So that's why I think they're so invested in following us because it gives them that feeling that they're like more in the know and closer to you guys.

Speaker 2:
[06:47] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[06:49] We've definitely noticed that with Reality Court, people just want to be close to us as stars ourselves.

Speaker 3:
[06:55] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[06:56] Of course.

Speaker 5:
[06:57] Especially Ace.

Speaker 1:
[06:58] Especially. I mean, people don't usually know, and I usually have to sadly introduce her.

Speaker 3:
[07:03] But the obsession is like, it is strange. Like I've always found it. I mean, thank God it exists because like it's made a career for me. But I do find sometimes the fans are so overly invested. They don't understand editing. They take everything at face value. They get very angry when somebody-

Speaker 2:
[07:16] Oh man. Tell me about it.

Speaker 3:
[07:19] Right? So much is edited and they just don't, like they know, but they don't know. So it's just strange how impassioned they are, but I love it.

Speaker 1:
[07:27] You know, I feel like it's because it's an escape for all of us. And so we would much rather focus on these other people in their lives than our lives crumbling down around us.

Speaker 3:
[07:40] 100%.

Speaker 1:
[07:41] You know, it's easier to watch someone else fall apart than live this.

Speaker 2:
[07:43] You have a train wreck. We do.

Speaker 3:
[07:45] Well, I think also too, it's like it's become the modern day soap opera. Like that was such a huge thing. I remember growing up, my grandma watching soaps all day long. No one watches those anymore. They tune in to Housewives at night and that's what they talk about.

Speaker 2:
[07:55] Yeah, and it's everybody, it's people of all ages, like everybody is at some point. There are those people that say, oh, I don't watch TV. Don't you hate people that say, I don't watch TV? It's like, fuck you, you're a liar.

Speaker 3:
[08:10] And you definitely do. My dad is like, I call it like the straight man complex because they're always like, oh, I don't know Housewives, I don't watch them. But then like you get to talk about Potomac, he's like, oh, are you talking about Robin Dixon? I'm like, what? So you watch Housewives?

Speaker 1:
[08:21] Didn't know Robin means he's in the lore.

Speaker 3:
[08:23] Yeah, you're watching, it's fine.

Speaker 2:
[08:25] Yeah, it's really funny, they all do that.

Speaker 3:
[08:32] I love her, I'm so excited she's back. I mean, I was the first to report that and then everybody called me a liar and then a week later Bravo confirmed it, so thanks Bravo. But I'm very excited she's back, I think she's fun. I know people are very split on that opinion, but.

Speaker 1:
[08:45] I didn't meet her back and then once they announced it, I realized I did.

Speaker 3:
[08:50] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[08:50] You know.

Speaker 3:
[08:51] I feel like the show has been missing something.

Speaker 1:
[08:53] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[08:53] I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2:
[08:54] I've just noticed over the years that Bravo is a revolving door. You know, just when you think you could never come back, never say never. I think there's an opportunity. If you're if you're not suing them, and even if you are, look at Nini, they will if they OK. If they think it's good for the show, they whatever, they don't care. They don't hold grudges.

Speaker 3:
[09:20] Yeah, I do think there's certainly like, Leah McSweeney probably will never be invited back based on No. The things she's saying, which are pretty extreme. But yeah, I agree with you. I feel like Rinna, they would bring back if the opportunity presented itself. And she's bashed Bravo a ton.

Speaker 2:
[09:34] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[09:34] But you're right. If it's good for ratings, or they think it's good for the storyline.

Speaker 2:
[09:37] If it's good for ratings, that's the bottom line. So let me ask you, what do you think about the Miami pause?

Speaker 3:
[09:44] I think it's a mistake. Yeah. I've always been a big fan of Miami since day one. I think season one was a little murky, but then I feel like even season two, three, it gained traction. It was doing great. And all of a sudden it just disappeared, which I never understood back then. And then to bring it back and then just to pause it again, it doesn't really make complete sense.

Speaker 1:
[10:02] You know, I feel like that was because they lost their big star in season three and they were just like, oh, we don't have Ana Quincoces anymore. So what can we do?

Speaker 3:
[10:12] I just love when you came back, like the stir it caused, like people were so like crazy about it.

Speaker 2:
[10:18] And it's crazy because those producers, they fucked it up and they didn't show what really happened at that lunch. Matt, you can't even imagine. And to show me they're just like a deer caught in the headlights and not speaking, I was there for three hours. I didn't shut up for the three hours, you know, and like I cleared the room, right? People didn't want to go in the room because I was there. So again, this is the problem with Miami is not the girls, it's not the city, it's production. They don't know what they're doing. And other producers, broad producers agree, they don't know what they're doing and it's hurt the show. And Alexia came out recently on page six or virtual, whatever that those two guys, Evan and whatever, talking about, I don't know their names.

Speaker 1:
[11:13] I have the clip.

Speaker 2:
[11:15] You have the clip? Okay, let's play the clip because he's kind of angry, you know?

Speaker 5:
[11:21] And you know, if you know that about our show, that's what our show is different from other shows. We're like real friends and we can separate our differences and at a time like this, I'll come together. Adriana's here with me as well. She's also doing a Zoom like for another.

Speaker 3:
[11:36] I love that Adriana is there too. Are you guys in a better place with Adriana at the moment?

Speaker 5:
[11:44] You know, I am because, you know, I just choose to be.

Speaker 1:
[11:51] Just choose to be, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[11:54] I mean, that's not what I've heard, but.

Speaker 2:
[11:56] She, of course not. And then she proceeds to talk about how the fans say they love the show, but then you have to watch the show and like that it's their fault because they're not really watching the show. This is what I don't understand. If people are not inspired to watch a show, then the show gets canceled. Isn't that the way TV works?

Speaker 1:
[12:19] I will say though, there is a part of this that comes down to also, obviously, I think that production for Miami has fucked up a bunch, but I also feel like it's how much energy they put into marketing. And like Beverly Hills, we every season, my panties are wet when I see the like this season on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And I'm like, oh my God, it's gonna be the best season ever. And every season it flops, you know. With Miami, I feel like we just didn't really push it that much, you know.

Speaker 2:
[12:53] Yeah, but I also think, you know, I know that I hate those producers, but they're not showing you the whole story. And the whole story is so much better than what we see on TV, because they have favorites and they protect their favorites. And so like Marisol is a favorite. And so Adriana, who's such good TV, she gets the short end of the stick every time. They'll do a montage of everything Adriana does wrong, but nothing about what Marisol does wrong, which is plenty, because she's the sneakiest of the bunch. And so I think that show us everything. Show us when and why everybody left the room when I was there. Why later on, people were saying that Julia's anger issues, that that was not the first time we saw it, because when Ana was there, she got mad at about something Marisol said and broke a chair that Nicole had to pay for. Why didn't they? I thought they have to show this. She got the chair, and she's screaming at her and hitting the chair on the floor and then threw it at her. And I'm like, that is incredible TV. They cut it out to protect Marisol. So it's their fault. You can't have favorites. You can't, you know, and you have to show the audience what's really happening, especially when it's that juicy. Yeah. You know, the episode that it's the episode that I was in, it had and not this is not me. They built it up so much that it had higher ratings than any other show. That show was doing 200,000 an episode, and that one had almost 600,000. But then what happened, they were let down. It's like, wait, you build up Ana, Ana walks in, Ana clears her room, and then Ana sits there like a wallflower, doesn't say anything. It's like, really, you know, nobody's going to believe that if they know me. So it's that kind of thing that they've done. Whether in the courtroom or in the kitchen, I bring the heat.

Speaker 3:
[15:03] Right.

Speaker 2:
[15:04] She mortifies me. She brings the heat in the best way possible, but he mortifies me.

Speaker 1:
[15:08] OK, listen, Matt, I've got some questions for you. Number one question on my mind is, how often is the celebrity the one leaking the story?

Speaker 3:
[15:24] Like if it's about them, you mean?

Speaker 1:
[15:26] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[15:28] I'd say it's a it's a crap shoot. It's not always and actually probably more often than not, it's not because they don't really want to be attached to this stuff, particularly like they try to do like a step or two away from them. Gotcha. Or I think like also they have a lot of friends even whether on the show or not on the show and I feel like those people also are more chatty sometimes. Right.

Speaker 2:
[15:47] So they'll send a messenger.

Speaker 3:
[15:50] I don't even know if it's necessarily them sending it or they'll just know that they want stuff out, I think would be the gist.

Speaker 2:
[15:56] Right.

Speaker 3:
[15:57] But yeah, I'd say it's a mixed bag.

Speaker 1:
[15:59] Cause I always, I'm like when it says a close inside source I'm like, I know exactly how this quote reads and it reads just like the person it's about.

Speaker 3:
[16:10] Yeah. It's hard cause like, right? Like, I mean, I know enough information that I feel like I could probably go sell myself out as a source if I wanted to, because the amount of stuff I've learned over the years that's even not out there still, but yeah.

Speaker 1:
[16:21] What is one of those things?

Speaker 3:
[16:24] God, there's so many.

Speaker 1:
[16:26] Out yourself.

Speaker 3:
[16:28] Myself as a source, I've got to think, let me think on that and come back to you.

Speaker 1:
[16:31] Okay, we can come back to it. We'll circle back.

Speaker 3:
[16:33] Something I'm sure. I have a crazy Teen Mom story at some point if we want to talk about.

Speaker 2:
[16:36] Oh my God, are you kidding? He loves that shit.

Speaker 1:
[16:39] I love Trashy TV.

Speaker 3:
[16:42] I have something that's not out there from that.

Speaker 1:
[16:44] Please tell us.

Speaker 3:
[16:45] So they had me on the show to write Matt Byers' book. He was Amber Portwood's fiance at the time. So there's a whole scene in the beginning where they call me and I was so surprised to discuss a book that they wanted to write. And then him and I actually did write the book together. Well, I should say I wrote my draft of the book and there was a lot of pressure put on me to get the book written very quickly because there was a lot of obviously public buzz about him at the time. He did a great cover photo shoot where it was him nude just holding something in front of his package. It was a great, I thought, I was like, this is brilliant, it's going to sell the book. And then he told me that the publisher thought it was too tabloid-esque and they were going to take over and do some rewrites, which nobody knows the story. The rewrites that they did were so crazy that Farrah's dad contacted me and said, like, if this shit doesn't come out of this book, because it leaked. And basically it said that I had, because Farrah's dad and I are friendly, and it said that I told Matt Meyer in conversation that Farrah's dad's a homophobe and used words like faggot toward me. Oh. This conversation never happened. And it was a bunch of stuff like that, that like, okay, so you're complaining my draft is tabloid-esque. Well, now you went and you didn't just do tabloid-esque, you made up complete lies about things that we never discussed. So I was reading this book and I'm like, I knew which parts I wrote because I still have the draft and I would say it was probably like 70%. The extra 30% was a lot of just, in my opinion, nonsense. And I was like, there's no way I'm putting my name on this. Cause he's like, don't worry, your name's still on it. And I was like, I don't want my name on this because you're gonna get sued over this book. Like there's no way. I'm like, and Farah's dad had called me and he's like, I'm like gonna get a lawyer. Like this is total bullshit. I'm like, I didn't write this. Cause he's like, obviously they're gonna sue me, my name's on it. And also Matt, cause it said that I was his co-writer. So I do still have up in my attic, the original book cover blown up on a huge poster that they sent me with my name on it.

Speaker 1:
[18:36] Covering himself.

Speaker 3:
[18:37] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[18:38] Well, they changed the cover too.

Speaker 3:
[18:41] I hit still him, but they had to take my name off the cover. I had to get a lawyer. So I made nothing on the book other than I think whatever small amount I was paid to write it quickly. And all my writing is not even credited, but that's okay. I mean, I think Barnes and Noble might still list me as the author, but that was just a crazy story. And then after 4th of July, which nobody knows, I went on Jackie Seagull's yacht for 4th of July. This is going back a few years. She had a yacht that she chartered to go watch the fireworks in New York City. And she's the queen of Versailles from Bravo. Yes. And we were on the yacht. I drank a little bit too much and I finally called him and just exploded at him for all the bullshit. Cause I was like, I worked so hard on this. And like, you really screwed me. And he's like, I didn't though. And I'm like, well, you did. Like not only did you like not end up having me get credited for all my writing and hard work, but like you tried to make it look like I told you all these salacious things. And I built a business on trust. That's how I've been around so long. And to make it sound like I was selling people out who are good to me and have been good to me is just not cool. And I understand that you have personal beef with Farrah's dad at the time, but not only did you make up something, you made up something like to call someone a homophobe is like a pretty significant accusation. And then to say they use verbiage like, you know, faggot is even worse. So I was like, you just really screwed me. And he basically was like denying it. That was last time we spoke.

Speaker 2:
[19:55] Was that when you took like that long break?

Speaker 3:
[19:59] I think I was. Yeah, I was gearing toward a break anyway, because I was doing behind the scenes stuff. But yeah, it was just I think I needed the reset. It probably all came around the same time. But I feel like there's a lot of great people in this industry. And a lot of people tried to warn me about him. And they were very much like, I mean, I got eaten alive on the Internet for my appearance on Teen Mom. It's actually the 10 year anniversary of this November the episode. I was probably on for 15 minutes, but people are vicious on Twitter. Obviously, they don't understand that what they're seeing, to Ana's point, is not exactly how things played out. They saw me going into the room because we filmed at the Dream Hotel in New York City. And they saw me entering and immediately, from the looks of the episode, talking about his drug problem. And I mean, there was a ton of conversation, obviously, that we filmed that wasn't shown. And it wasn't me looking to attack him. It was just, obviously, that was a focus of the story line of Teen Mom at the time was his drug problems. Of course, that's what they're going to show that. And that had to be discussed. I mean, I even said to him, if we want to do this book, we've got to get open about your substance abuse because people want to know the truth. Right. And they're not reading your book to know your backstory. They're reading to know, do you have all these kids from other marriages, which was a big accusation at the time, or relationships? And how many drugs did you use? Are you still using drugs? Do you and Amber use drugs together? I mean, these were the questions people wanted answered. I will say, they were both lovely in person. I had a good time with both of them. Amber was a sweetheart.

Speaker 1:
[21:22] Amber Portwood to me is somebody who, she just, I feel like Amber Portwood in her heart is a very kind, sweet person, but she is fucked up. And like you can see, like, I mean, don't get me started on that whole Leah's birthday dinner that she turned all about herself. But I do feel like she has this good heart, but it's fucked and it's under a whole lot of baggage.

Speaker 3:
[21:53] Yeah, I think she's had a really tough past, obviously. The relationship with her mom is really toxic. Like, without delving too much into how I may or may not feel about her currently, I can say in person she was very sweet. And you definitely saw that, like, soft side of her. I will say the person who gets the worst reputation, I would say, in that world that actually is the nicest human being is Farrah. People don't believe me. I know people are, like, shocked when I tell them that. I would consider her a personal friend. She's met my kids. I hung out with my kids and her in Chicago last summer. She invited us to come to lunch, and we all went to the Cameo studio together. She was so gracious with my daughters. And just, every time I've hung out with her, I mean, I've hung out with her personally quite a few times, and she's just such a nice human being, and she gets the absolute worst reputation in this industry for just being miserable, and she's not at all.

Speaker 1:
[22:43] Matt, I'm gonna put you on the spot right here right now. This game is coming to me. I want to know, can Matt defend Farrah Abraham's actions? Number one, the porta potty, and freaking out about people inside her house. Defend it, Matt.

Speaker 3:
[23:00] I don't think it played out the way that it looked on TV. I think it was just, I think, in my opinion, probably production trying to catch her up on like, let's just cause some drama, more so than her really being like, get out of my house. I mean, it may not have played well on television, but I can tell you from meeting her and hanging out with her, I could not see her acting like that. And the other defense piece I think would be that she probably was reaching her boiling point with Teen Mom by that point. They consistently made her out to be the villain. And whether that was their MO or it was editing, I mean, no one can deny that through the years on Teen Mom OG, she was made to look terrible. While the other women like Macy Bookout, for example, always were made to look good no matter what. So I feel like there probably were, to add a point earlier, like production favorites. And I'm sure she was not a producer's favorite because from being in her presence and friendly with her, she's very, very outspoken. She does not hold her tongue, but it's not the way I would say that it looked on TV.

Speaker 1:
[23:52] Okay. Matt, can you defend Farrah screaming at her Froyo employee and firing her on television?

Speaker 3:
[24:06] That was a little harder to defend, but I think it also may have been the way it's laid out. I mean, there's so much editing in reality TV that, I mean, being more of an insider, it's sometimes hard to know like, well, was that really how it played out? Or like, was there a lot of confrontation beforehand? Was she just a shitty employee? Was it a bad moment? I think everybody has bad moments. And obviously when cameras are rolling, it's much easier to capture them and hone in on them. And without saying too much of my experience filming, but just I think in general, producers are very good at coaching a moment and getting the moments they want. And people who are fans of these shows don't realize that again, things don't necessarily play out the way that they seem in the moment. Sometimes scenes go on like when she was filming for hours, and I've seen this happen and you literally see a five-minute blip for hours and hours and hours of filming. And I've also talked to people who say as they go on the years in the show, especially in Housewives, sometimes they're just tired and they know production wants to hear this, so let's just get it out so we can all go home. Because if we don't get this out in the open, it's just going to continue for hours. I know Housewives in New Jersey, when Jim Marchese said the thing about the twins' mother, allegedly fucking the husband, Reno at the time, I've had conversations with him where he said he just knew, he's like, if no one says this, this is going to go on all night, so I'll just say it so we can wrap production and go have a drink and chill for the rest of the evening. Because I think producers are looking to tell a story, which makes sense, it's what makes compelling TV. But if no one's going to be brave enough to step up and say it, so to your fair question, yes, maybe it was just a bad moment.

Speaker 2:
[25:43] It does get exhausting, you know, because they will wait hours and hours and hours for something to happen, you know. At the beginning during my time, they didn't coach as much because they wanted the idea that it was actually organic, you know, my least favorite word. And sometimes you just wanted it to end because you were tired and you were like, tell me what I have to do, do I flip a table, do I pull a weave, what do I do so we can go home? And there was a lot of that, you know, and I think that, you know, part of it is that they get you tired. And you know, when you're tired and you've had a little bit to drink, you're gonna lash out.

Speaker 3:
[26:26] Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[26:28] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[26:30] Matt, listen, I want to talk to you about some bravo stuff. Actually, before we leave Teen Mom, I do need to know, where do you stand on the Kaitlyn Tyler relationship and the rumors that he has been in a different kind of relationship behind the scenes?

Speaker 3:
[26:51] If you know the gay rumors.

Speaker 1:
[26:52] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[26:53] I don't believe I mean, I don't believe them because I feel like and I know both of them personally. It's not like it just doesn't seem like he would stay with her that long. I feel like he's very vocally defensive of her online, like to a fault. I think it just wouldn't make sense to be gay behind the scenes. It just doesn't add up to mere track. I feel like it's an easy rumor because he's a good looking guy, and it's very easy for people to jump on top of.

Speaker 1:
[27:20] We've now all seen his penis.

Speaker 3:
[27:22] Well, the OnlyFans, yeah, it's a choice to go on OnlyFans, but I get it.

Speaker 2:
[27:27] Only you, Ace. You've seen his penis.

Speaker 1:
[27:30] Sometimes it pops up. No, I am saying I've seen his penis, but I've had people send it to me.

Speaker 3:
[27:35] She's teased his bulge online, even on her Instagram story, so it's not, yeah, you don't even have to subscribe to the OnlyFans to see what she's showing off. But I think their relationship is very solid. I mean, they've been together since they were 14, I think, or 12, and not every Teen Mom couple has made it. And I think their story, particularly with the Carly stuff, is very compelling. I think that, and this is not something I personally discussed with them, but I'm sure if they could go back in time, they would probably not have put her up for adoption. Obviously, there were a lot of factors at the time. And I think Brandon and Teresa, and this is just an opinion, not a fact or record thing or source material, I feel like they came into this agreement knowing that Kate and Tyler were TV personalities. And while they didn't want Carly on TV, I think they knew that there would be some sort of relationship and some sort of discussion about her. And to shift suddenly in the last year or two and basically ban Kate, Lynn and Tyler from having any communication with her, when you agree to an open adoption or pseudo open adoption, just seems really crappy.

Speaker 1:
[28:37] You know what, I blame, I think her name was Dawn, the adoption worker. She fucked all this up. She didn't prepare them for what adoption, open adoption would actually look like. And I feel like she was just kind of being a yes man to get the deal done.

Speaker 3:
[28:55] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[28:57] All right, let's move over to Housewives. You know, Mr. Housewife himself, we want to talk about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I mean, it's a snooze fest of a season. We've been here. We've been here before. I think that we can still come back. They dropped the reunion trailer, which again, I think I'm into BDSM. I like to be hurt because I think it's going to be good. And then we get there and it's like, nothing happens.

Speaker 3:
[29:26] I feel like that's a consistent problem with that show, to your point. Like it always does look so good. I don't think this season is as bad as people are saying. I don't see the argument against Amanda as vocally as people have it. And honestly, I don't think the fans realize the more you argue about how much you hate this woman online, you're just giving her a free ticket back next season. Because Bravo loves that. So she absolutely will be back. So good job, everybody who hates her. But I just don't think it's that bad. I don't think it's the most compelling season. I don't really care about the majority of the storylines. I think it's time for a cash shift, though, for sure.

Speaker 1:
[30:01] What does your cash shift look like?

Speaker 3:
[30:03] This is going to be very controversial, but I think it's time for Kyle to go.

Speaker 1:
[30:06] Don't say it!

Speaker 3:
[30:09] I think she has too much control there, and I don't think we've ever seen her have a bad edit. And I mean, I just did an exclusive on this, I think it ran this weekend on Reality Blurb, but she's not, like...

Speaker 2:
[30:22] She's not in it anymore.

Speaker 3:
[30:23] And she doesn't have an official executive producer title, but there's been a lot of rumors behind the scenes for years that she has a producer credit, and that's why they just don't screw with her. And Dorit says it in the trailer that, like, we don't want to piss you off because we don't want to lose our job.

Speaker 5:
[30:35] You're such a f***ing liar, Camille.

Speaker 3:
[30:41] I mean, even the stuff with Kim, like, if you look back to season one, and again, this is just opinion, I think she's a really awful human. Like, to put your sister on blast on TV and call her out for alcoholism, which at that point no one knew, Kim seemed bizarre, but I don't remember ever season one watching thinking, oh, she's definitely an alcoholic. But Kyle knew that was national TV, and I get it, you reach a boiling point, like that absolutely should have been a private moment that did not cross the TV. By season two, it was unavoidable.

Speaker 2:
[31:10] Ace just wants to defend Kyle.

Speaker 1:
[31:14] Let me say this, season one, yes, she did tell she's an alcoholic. I think she was covering up for her then, because I think she was much more than alcohol.

Speaker 3:
[31:22] Oh, there's clearly were drugs there by season two. That scene of Kim crawling on the floor while the hotel door is swinging open.

Speaker 4:
[31:28] All right, at least I don't do crystal meth in the bathroom all night long, bitch.

Speaker 3:
[31:35] Another unpopular opinion, I think Brandi Glanville, now that you showed her, that was going to be our next point, should be brought back. I think the show went very downhill when they got rid of her.

Speaker 1:
[31:43] Do you think that we can bring her back with her current face?

Speaker 3:
[31:47] Yeah, I mean, whatever she's going through is sad, and I think that even would be compelling TV to watch.

Speaker 2:
[31:51] I think that would be compelling TV too. I feel horrible for her.

Speaker 1:
[31:57] OK, who else do you want to get rid of?

Speaker 3:
[32:00] I kind of feel like Sutton is a little played out at this point.

Speaker 1:
[32:04] Oh, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[32:05] Would you bring Runa back?

Speaker 3:
[32:08] OK, so as a person, I don't like Runa because she followed me before Housewives, and I thought that was really cool because I love Melrose Place. Growing up, that was my huge thing. I love that my parents were shocked. I was gay. I'm like, really? I was trying to sneak to watch Melrose Place. You were shocked. But I still watch reruns of that, and I loved her on that. She followed me. I thought it was so cool at the time. Then Housewives started and she unfollowed me. I asked her, why did you unfollow me? She's like, I don't want to see Bravo stuff in my feed. That was her first season, which I thought was just really weird. I've heard from people who have dealt with her that they're not huge fans of her, or she could be not necessarily the nicest behind the scenes. But I think she's brilliant TV, and I 100 percent think bringing her back would be the right move, even though she's bashed Bravo a ton.

Speaker 1:
[32:52] Were people doing coke in your bathroom?

Speaker 3:
[32:56] Even that, it's iconic, and her fights with Kim Richards are iconic. I don't think Kim should be brought back, even though I do love a good train wreck, I feel like it's not healthy for her.

Speaker 2:
[33:06] Exactly.

Speaker 3:
[33:07] I agree. Bravo knew that, and they zoned in a lot on her problems, and it was very sad to watch, in my opinion.

Speaker 2:
[33:14] Do you think that's the same thing that happened with Leah McSweeney?

Speaker 3:
[33:18] No, in my opinion. I don't love that Leah blames Bravo for making her drink, because, I mean, the old expression like you can take a horse to water, but you can't make them drink, you can't force someone to drink. Like, I know people who, like Maddie Reese, for example, on Southern Hospitality, who I love, never met her or talked to her, but I just love her on TV. She will not drink, and she's around people who are young and drinking all the time. She said she's been sober for 12 years, and she's relatively young, so that was a choice she made, obviously young, and she has not relented on it. Leah came into the show saying she was sober, and I remember her storyline that season being that, oh, I'm going to try to drink again, because I'm with these new, fun people. Well, that was a choice you made.

Speaker 1:
[33:56] She said, like, her first episode, one of the first things she said is like, you know, I've been arrested, I've made some poor choices on alcohol, I've been sober, but now I feel like I'm in a place where I can start drinking again.

Speaker 3:
[34:07] Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[34:08] You said that.

Speaker 3:
[34:10] Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[34:10] I would like to testify in court on behalf of Bravo.

Speaker 3:
[34:13] I agree. I mean, you can't blame Bravo, then, for forcing you to drink, and I think she said that Marisol was making comments on the girls' trip that we've never seen aired, or did we see that one aired? I always make some questions.

Speaker 1:
[34:22] Well, we saw Heather Gay say, try and get her to drink. So, I mean, that's a little bit different.

Speaker 3:
[34:29] Yeah. But I still think if you're really committed to sobriety, that shouldn't really rock you too much. You could just be like, no, thank you. I'm good. But I think she's looking for, in my opinion, she's upset that the fame went away really quickly. Right. Because that season just was a trainwreck, the last one, for a multitude of reasons. I do think they should have had a reunion, I still think the OG Rony Cash should have been brought back because I cannot stand the new cast at all. But I think there was so much going on that season and all of a sudden she went from being very famous and well known to your paycheck was gone quickly. And I think that probably more so, this is opinion probably frustrated her. And then obviously like suing Bravo is potentially a payday if it goes your way.

Speaker 2:
[35:10] Yeah. And the reason, the only reason we're still talking about it is because Bravo's lawyers made a mistake and they didn't ask for arbitration. And so now they're going to trial and I think they're going to settle with her. And I think she's going to get a hefty paycheck because nobody wants to do the discovery part of lawsuit, especially in a network like that. They're going to have to divulge too many things and it's just not going to make sense. So I think.

Speaker 1:
[35:42] Sorry, you cut out for a second.

Speaker 2:
[35:43] Oh, I think they're going to give her something to just make her go away quietly. And what do you think about the Carolyn Manzo lawsuit with that whole thing? Are you as upset as Ace about that show not airing that episode?

Speaker 3:
[35:58] Yes, I 100% think, well, it's a multitude of things. One, we should absolutely be allowed to watch it and pick it apart ourselves because you filmed it, you signed up for it, you have been on Housewives. Obviously, I mean, I've heard rumblings of why she left and without saying everything I've heard, I've heard it's not completely for the reasons that it was purported at the time, but-

Speaker 2:
[36:20] It was because her family's mafia?

Speaker 3:
[36:22] No, that's not what I've heard.

Speaker 1:
[36:24] What was it?

Speaker 3:
[36:26] I've just heard that there was- oops, my chair's opening. I've heard that there was something said that night about her family, that she was game over. That's why when you see that scene of her saying that she was done with the show and screaming, I heard it was something about that, that it wasn't really about. Because Penny and Johnny, who passed away, they had caused, obviously people were fighting over them and he got hit. And then all of a sudden she turned to Penny and was like, are you happy now, you wrecked a family? But I heard that that was not necessarily the way that it played out. It was more editing from what I heard. But I do think she was a good housewife. I thought she was a voice of reason on the show at the time. And then when she went on with Brandi, I don't believe Brandi assaulted her. I just don't. I think Brandi is a good time. She's funny. She's loud. She makes funny comments. I mean, I wasn't there, but I just don't believe it. I don't see it. And every housewife who is there has come to Brandi's defense.

Speaker 2:
[37:25] They have, which is really strange, every single one without exception. And I do think that somebody said something about Caroline's boobs. And she said, they're natural, look, feel them. And so at the same time, you do something like that, and then you can't be outraged that it gets a little, you know, frisky. And especially, you know, Brandi is so easy to kind of trigger in that direction. Like she, you know, you just have to give her a tiny little opening and she has to have known that. I mean, look, if there was sexual assault, there's no excuse for that, but I don't know. I think I heard that they were going to release it at some point, but then we haven't heard anything else.

Speaker 3:
[38:11] So yeah, I know. I think they should because we should be able to see and judge. And obviously the cameras were rolling. I mean, I've heard that from sources basically that she was drinking allegedly and like she was just upset by her behavior the next morning and she wanted out. I think the way Bravo has treated Brandi has been awful. I think she's given them so much over the years. And I'm sure knowing how she behaves like on camera, I'm sure that season would have been a great season also to watch on TV. But I feel like she's really gotten the wrong end of the deal. And like when you make sexual assault allegations, like it's hard because no network is going to touch you because they think that like, all right, well, while that's being investigated, people are going to boycott us if we show you. And it's hard for her to get work now, I think. And it's a really unfair predicament. Like I just don't think it happened. I'm like to your point if it did, it's bad.

Speaker 1:
[39:02] I haven't heard anything more from the Caroline Manzo.

Speaker 3:
[39:06] Did they?

Speaker 2:
[39:06] No.

Speaker 3:
[39:07] It's over, right? Or is it ongoing?

Speaker 2:
[39:10] Apparently it's still ongoing. I've looked and I haven't seen any kind of dismissal or settlement or I haven't heard anything like that. I know that they brought her to the table and they showed her the entire footage and they sat with her and went over the footage.

Speaker 1:
[39:30] What a dream.

Speaker 2:
[39:31] Right. And they actually even offered to take certain parts that she was uncomfortable with out of it. But no, she wanted a multi, multi-million dollar settlement. And she expected it. And her lawyer told her that she was entitled to it. And also, you know, because apparently, and this is one of the things about law, that if you start, if your plaintiff has something, it's called the eggshell theory, right? If they have been assaulted in the past, or she was assaulted when she was a child, this now is much more damaging to her, because it brings back all sorts of trauma. And I believe that was the case. You know, they got a cracked eggshell as a plaintiff, and now Bravo has to pay for all the trauma that this brought back and everything else. And maybe she was particularly, like, predisposed to feeling attacked because of things that have happened in the past. And I think that that's what's going on now. And I do think that probably Bravo has wanted to throw some money at her, but she's pretty adamant that it should be a certain amount because she knew that she had a chance to come back on Bravo. They would have asked her back to this iteration of we call it Ronge. I think that she had a chance to come back to the show, and by doing that, she killed any chance of ever coming back. So, I think that she's expecting a big payday.

Speaker 1:
[41:12] You know, I am hurt by it. I did say that if ever I am on my deathbed, contact Make-A-Wish and let them know that I would like Andy Cohen to come in. It doesn't even have to be Andy, but just come in, briefcase, open it up, let me watch it, and...

Speaker 2:
[41:31] And then you die, and then it doesn't matter. You're not gonna tell anybody.

Speaker 3:
[41:34] Yeah, how would you tell? Yeah. Right.

Speaker 1:
[41:35] Exactly. Speaking of, I want to go back to Beverly Hills for a second, because in this last week, we saw Jennifer Tilly break a $40,000 bear purse.

Speaker 3:
[41:50] Did she bag it?

Speaker 1:
[41:52] Are you fucking kidding me? And we don't know, did she knock it off, or did somebody else knock it off the table?

Speaker 3:
[42:00] I feel like that's pocket change for her anyway to replace. It seems like she's loaded, loaded, so.

Speaker 2:
[42:04] I mean, she jumped in a pool with a couture dress that, you know, I mean, I think that apparently the dress she wore to the reunion was like $70,000.

Speaker 3:
[42:16] That's Simpson's money?

Speaker 2:
[42:17] Yeah, that Simpson's money goes a long way. But she's really starting to grow on me. And I don't know, what do you think of her as a housewife?

Speaker 3:
[42:27] I think she's like fan popular enough that she could go to house life instead of friend of. I think she's funny. She's entertaining. She's different. She's not what I would say is like the stereotypical Beverly Hills housewife. I think is why Brandi Glanville also worked because people and not to rat on Kyle some more, but people like Kyle tend to be very guarded. And I feel like that's always been my problem with Beverly Hills is that they have like a certain caliber. They think they're like above the fray and above the rest of the house size because of where they live. And they're not always willing to go there. Like the Morgan Wade rumors, I don't understand why Kyle has danced around them so much.

Speaker 2:
[43:04] Like just some things I can go Braddock and go Angelina.

Speaker 3:
[43:09] Right.

Speaker 2:
[43:09] I mean, just take the next step and say, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[43:12] Say I have gone Angelina.

Speaker 2:
[43:15] Right. Right.

Speaker 3:
[43:16] Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[43:17] I have done the ABCs on Morgan Wade's Pussay.

Speaker 3:
[43:21] Yeah. I mean, I would, I don't know whether she has or she hasn't, but I do think there's obviously some sort of weird relationship.

Speaker 2:
[43:27] And then I honestly think, apparently she's considering selling her Encino home, which is a historic home, and that she bought a place in Nashville. And when they ask her, she's already been seen holding hands with Morgan in Nashville. And so when they ask her, why did you buy a house in Nashville? How random? And she's like, no, I just love real estate. And by real estate, she means Morgan.

Speaker 3:
[43:56] Even the video, she's so mad that people are questioning her. But then you did this like see me make out video and I get it. It was acting. But at the same token, why do that if you don't want people talking about this? You're going to start the pot again in conversation clearly.

Speaker 2:
[44:11] And it's going to be an ugly divorce because when they asked her about the agency, she goes, are you going to ask for half of the agency? She goes, it's mine.

Speaker 3:
[44:22] Yeah, which was surprising to me. I thought that was all Maurizio's after he left his deal with Rick Hilton.

Speaker 2:
[44:28] Well, you know, that has to do with community property in the state of I mean, I was going to say North Carolina of California. If she was with him during the time, you know, that this happened and the money was acquired during the marriage, then he's going to have to give her half.

Speaker 1:
[44:46] Yeah, I think that's why he's been like, we don't need to get divorced.

Speaker 3:
[44:51] She said last week, I think, in an interview, that it's possible they could get back together. And I'm like, Kyle, come on, like, you're not, that's not happening. He's not interested in you.

Speaker 2:
[44:59] He's not interested in her at all, but it is cheaper to keep her.

Speaker 3:
[45:03] Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[45:05] I would much rather have her spend her six figures every month on bullshit than have to give her that big ass payout and take half my company.

Speaker 3:
[45:13] Yeah, that's going to be in the millions and millions.

Speaker 2:
[45:14] So, yeah, I mean, look, I know that she was with him. He started it. He did all the work. Of course, there is the fact that she had, you know, she has some notoriety. People know her. That helps and that he became known because of the show. But man, it hurts because he's, I mean, he has offices in Saudi Arabia. I mean, all over the world, it's not just a national company anymore.

Speaker 1:
[45:42] Yeah. Matt, how do you feel about Rachel Zoe in the mix?

Speaker 3:
[45:48] I feel like, I mean, I didn't watch Rachel Zoe's project years ago, but I know who she was.

Speaker 1:
[45:52] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[45:53] I thought like, okay, that's going to be a great addition. I don't feel like she's brought much to the table. I don't know. People online-

Speaker 2:
[45:59] She doesn't like to say, yeah, she doesn't like, it's all like no comment or I can't. Like when she was on Watch What Happens Live, it's like he asked her a straight question, which required a very simple answer. She's like, I can't. It's like, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[46:15] She seems again, like that same Beverly Hills mold of like, I'm above the fray, I don't want to do drama. But like, this is a show predicated on drama. So if you're not in the mood for drama, then this is not the right platform for you. Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[46:26] Where do you stand on Doree versus Kyle and Erica?

Speaker 3:
[46:31] So I love Erica. I know that's also a controversial opinion.

Speaker 2:
[46:33] Oh, I love her too, that's fine.

Speaker 1:
[46:35] You can say that. It's a safe space.

Speaker 3:
[46:38] She's been, to me, a great housewife through the years. And I think, to her credit, she got a really raw deal. And I think people are really riding on her a few years ago for not talking. And I'm like, what do you think? If I was in all those legal proceedings, I would be shutting up also.

Speaker 2:
[46:50] You're not supposed to talk.

Speaker 3:
[46:51] Yeah, she literally, and they were so hard coming for her. You should be apologizing, you should be owning this, and you should be apologizing to the victim. I would not have said a word.

Speaker 2:
[47:00] No, but she couldn't, legally she couldn't.

Speaker 3:
[47:03] Exactly, and also I don't blame her for what he did. Of course not. Did she have an amazingly lavish lifestyle because of his crimes? Absolutely, but that's not her fault.

Speaker 2:
[47:12] But there's no reason to question it. Like this guy was the whatever, Aaron Brockovich lawyer. You know what I'm saying? It was one of the biggest firms, like multi-million dollar settlements one after the other. Why would she question it?

Speaker 3:
[47:31] Right, and he seemed pretty legit.

Speaker 2:
[47:33] He did seem legit.

Speaker 1:
[47:34] He was great at his job. He just wasn't good at paying out.

Speaker 3:
[47:38] Paying out, yeah. He was a great lawyer.

Speaker 1:
[47:39] That's the tough part.

Speaker 3:
[47:41] Yeah. But as far as the feud goes, I mean, I feel like Dory is kind of on an island. I feel sort of bad for her, but it's like a cash 22, because I feel like she kind of talks in circles sometimes, and it's a little hard to like...

Speaker 2:
[47:53] And she brings it upon herself, you know, at Rachel's party. She was just rude to everyone. I don't know what makes her feel so entitled, and why does she get so angry about everything? You know, I do think that Kyle has gone too far talking about that, oh, she's in a frenzy buying stuff or whatever, you know.

Speaker 3:
[48:14] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[48:15] Look, she had a different life when she was with PK, and she was able to shop all the time, and you know, those old habits die hard, and so she got a little money, and she wanted to spend it, you know. Like retail therapy is a real thing, and she's going through a lot.

Speaker 3:
[48:29] I think it's hard for her to adjust, yeah. I mean, she's had a tough few years. That was another marriage I didn't necessarily see falling apart. That and Kyle...

Speaker 1:
[48:37] Oh, you thought that was true love?

Speaker 3:
[48:39] She seemed very in love with him, I thought. I don't know. I mean, she's much prettier than he is good looking, but she seemed to be in love with him, from what I could tell as an outsider. But I feel like all those women, like a lot of their relationships, interestingly, in the past few years have all started to fall apart, which is a very common bravo thing also.

Speaker 2:
[48:56] It is. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[48:57] It's very tough to have your marriage played out on TV. I feel like you have a lot of obviously the microscopes on you and then you have online sleuths and detectives and even the Mauricio cheating rumors for years. I mean, Kyle downplayed them, but there was so much smoke. At some point, even if it's not true, it's got to grate on your nerves as the person who these rumors are about.

Speaker 1:
[49:16] Do you believe those were true?

Speaker 2:
[49:19] I didn't necessarily.

Speaker 1:
[49:20] In your opinion, you're good about saying, in my opinion.

Speaker 3:
[49:23] Covering my ass. I kind of, I mean, it seems like there was so much. I don't think that she would have necessarily stayed if she knew he was cheating. And I think she said that publicly before, but I mean, there were rumors from very early on in the show. And now that we've seen sort of how quickly, when they separated, he was spotted randomly in airports, making out with Livin, and it's like, I don't know, the paparazzi wasn't just conveniently at that airport you were at, somebody tipped them off that you were gonna be there. And you clearly wanted those photos out. So I feel like it's possible. I wouldn't have been shocked if, although on the flip side, working in my field, I feel like somebody also, some mistress would have come forward at some point, and no one has ever come forward. So I feel like maybe not. Right, right.

Speaker 1:
[50:09] I will say this. When it comes to Dorie versus Kyle and Erica, obviously, I'm on team Kyle and Erica. Doesn't matter what they did, because I don't really love Dorie. However, when it comes to Dorie versus Sutton, 100% on Dorie's side, I hate Sutton. And I thought when she said, cute bow, and who was she sitting with? And she's like, it is a cute bow. And she's like, I was kidding. I thought that was fucking great. Thank you for that. Because I do, I hate Sutton.

Speaker 3:
[50:42] I just feel like she's been miserable the past few years. And I'm dying to know two things about her that are still not public knowledge. What went down with Avi? I'm dying to know.

Speaker 1:
[50:51] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[50:52] We had Avi on. He gave us nothing.

Speaker 1:
[50:55] It is the worst interview you've ever seen.

Speaker 3:
[50:58] There's not even an ironclad NDA or something.

Speaker 2:
[51:00] Listen, it is a funny episode because Ace and I were like, what do we do? But then it ended up being funny because we just spoke for him. He was just trying to be so polite, but there is something weird there.

Speaker 3:
[51:15] Something's there.

Speaker 2:
[51:17] Yeah. I lost really a lot of respect for Sutton when she said that whole thing about where the wallet fits.

Speaker 3:
[51:25] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[51:26] Because you get over $300,000 a month in alimony. Then she talks about wanting to show her daughter about being an independent woman. It's like, there is nothing independent about you. Even if you started that business, you started that business with money that you didn't earn.

Speaker 3:
[51:45] Exactly.

Speaker 2:
[51:46] And so I...

Speaker 1:
[51:47] And where is that business now? It's gone.

Speaker 2:
[51:51] She says, you know, I don't know, like, shouldn't she have more of a dating life? Does she literally scare every guy away? Like nobody would even stick around to be on the show. There isn't even that guy that wants to be involved in the show.

Speaker 3:
[52:06] And I'm very curious to what happened with Garcelle because I don't buy her narrative that Garcelle just for no reason blew her off. There's got to be something that happened because even the reunion, like Garcelle seemed so fired up. And I think this is where I say editing, obviously something was said because she didn't just go from zero to 100 to walking off the stage. Like she looked to the viewer so out of the blue. And the fact that Sutton and her were so close and talked every day and were real life friends off the show to suddenly like, she won't respond to my texts, my calls, something happened and I'm dying to know what it is.

Speaker 2:
[52:39] And I think at that moment, whatever happened made Garcelle think, I have so much else going on. This is beneath me and she's never looked back.

Speaker 3:
[52:50] No, she's a beautiful woman. She's so talented. She's a great actress. She's had a very seasoned career. She doesn't really need the show.

Speaker 2:
[52:56] She does not need the show. Yeah, absolutely not.

Speaker 3:
[52:59] Whereas Sutton does in my opinion, because Sutton would not have been famous otherwise.

Speaker 2:
[53:02] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[53:03] Sutton is one of those people where it's like, just because you have money doesn't mean that you can have fame. And I think to me, Sutton is just insufferable. How do you feel about Amanda Francis speaking of insufferable?

Speaker 3:
[53:15] I like I was saying earlier, everybody hates her. I don't think she's that bad. Like the girl Diana with the weird tongue thing. Yes, that irritated me just from like just watching her. I was like, oh, why are you doing that? And like, how are you not cognizant that you're doing this on camera? I don't think Amanda's terrible. I think she's a little strange.

Speaker 2:
[53:33] I hated her at the beginning, and now there's something about her that is like she's kind of growing on me.

Speaker 3:
[53:40] Yeah, I don't think she's that sensual.

Speaker 2:
[53:41] I wouldn't say growing. I would say she doesn't make me feel like this, oh my god, I hate her, get her off the screen.

Speaker 3:
[53:49] Yeah. Like I said earlier, I do think she's going to be brought back because she's caused so much controversy. But I do think there, aside from just possibly Kyle being played out, I think Sutton needs to go and maybe Dorit's time to go. People are gunning online for Erica to go, but I don't see that happening. I feel like she's very integral to the show.

Speaker 2:
[54:06] I hope not. I mean, Erica brings a lot to the show. She really does. And I'd like to see Erica have a happy ending. I'd like to see that evolve. And I don't see that for Sutton. Like I just don't see Sutton. I see her at home, empty nester, FaceTiming with her rude mom and drinking. That's, I see that as her life.

Speaker 1:
[54:31] Also, the branding of Sutton Brown versus Sutton Strack is the dumbest thing I've seen. This is such a misstep. No one cares about Sutton Brown.

Speaker 2:
[54:40] No.

Speaker 3:
[54:41] No, and also that's how you've been known on the show for years. You don't want to then suddenly be known as something else.

Speaker 1:
[54:45] So stupid.

Speaker 3:
[54:47] Yeah. Like Megan King, I know it's doing like Megan King now. It's like, all right, I mean, you're not on TV anymore, but that's how you were known. Who cares?

Speaker 1:
[54:54] Now you're known as Megan Cook, apparently. That was Marion Kyle Cook. That was him on his tiptoes trying to kiss her. Did you not see this, Ana?

Speaker 2:
[55:05] No.

Speaker 1:
[55:06] You did not see Kyle Cook and Megan King.

Speaker 2:
[55:08] Oh, yes, yes, yes. I saw that. Yes, of course.

Speaker 1:
[55:11] Of course. He was like up on his tiptoes to give her a kiss.

Speaker 2:
[55:14] I know. I feel bad for him. God, I hated him before, but now this whole situation makes me like him. And look at Ciara, Ciara's on fire. She's on the cover of Glamour magazine. I mean, good for her.

Speaker 3:
[55:29] Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2:
[55:30] But better because she started off in a better place. And she's I think she's more talented, you know?

Speaker 1:
[55:37] Well, I think with Ariana, like we didn't I mean, she was lazy. All she did was kind of like lay around and watch Love Island. And so it's like, not really that great, like not cheering for her, where I feel like now with Ciara, like we've all loved Ciara, you know, we've all been like, she's a good girl, she's nice, whatever. So I think that she's going to have a better launching pad.

Speaker 2:
[56:02] Even in this past episode, it's heartbreaking to see her support Amanda the way she does, telling her you're such a good person and you're so this and that and hugging her. And it's like, oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[56:13] We're your friends for life.

Speaker 2:
[56:14] Yeah, we're your friends for life.

Speaker 3:
[56:16] Yeah, it's crazy to me watching how anti-Kyle this season she is. And she's like Ciara, she's so outspoken on Amanda's behalf and from the get-go, even like correcting him at dinners and like really just gunning for him because she felt like Amanda was obviously in a traumatic place in their relationship. And it's like, how, as Amanda, like you have to be so sociopathic to sit there and like.

Speaker 2:
[56:38] I do think she's sociopathic. Now that I've seen things evolve.

Speaker 3:
[56:42] Yeah, because like how could you stare at your friend and like literally like just lie straight to her face? And there's even rumors online. I saw today, I think Bravo and Cocktails posted a rumor that I guess Amanda and West have been fooling around since June of last year. And if that's true, I mean, you literally were filming while that was going, and like literally staring at your best friend and knowing that you're hooking up with somebody she cared about and had feelings for and like allowing her to be your mouthpiece for your marriage. It's just, it's all so many layers of shadiness.

Speaker 1:
[57:10] She's telling us, Kyle's always gone. Kyle's never here. So I think that there was a lot of opportunity for West to be there.

Speaker 2:
[57:19] I also, yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1:
[57:22] No, you're good. You go.

Speaker 2:
[57:24] I was just saying that I also think Amanda is having this, you know, hot girl summer in her head. And she thinks, she thinks that she's more than what she is. OK, like she's a cute girl, but that's it. And that whole situation with Sabrina and Ben and she's like, well, you know, he wanted to fuck me. And she goes, and did I go along with it because of my ego? Well, maybe it's like she was already. I mean, West was just the one that she decided on, but she would have gone anywhere because she thinks she's the shit now. And I think by the summer, by this summer, West is going to be gone because West only wants when there's a lot of attention and when the attention dies down, he's not going to be interested anymore. And then she's. I don't know what she's going to do. Is she going to move on to greener pastures or is she going to go running back to Kyle?

Speaker 1:
[58:21] You know, Kyle Cook made a deal with the devil because in what world were we all ready to pile on this? Like we were all like, take Kyle down, he's a piece of shit. And now we're like, God, Kyle, like he's silly. He's silly, Kyle.

Speaker 3:
[58:38] Yeah, no, like he did like the biggest 180 in like Bravo history. But people hated his guts and now they are all Team Kyle because she really did a number on the audience.

Speaker 1:
[58:48] I think even now, like watching the show, I'm still like, like when he's on West Side, I'm like, yeah, Amanda, shut up. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[58:56] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[58:57] But it's true because like now that we know this and then we're still watching as the season unfolds, it makes him look so much better and it makes her just like, everybody's going to gun for her because she just looks shitty. Even like that thing at the Yankees game the other night when I zoomed in on them and there was a body language expert who said she allegedly told him like, Yeah, pretend you like me.

Speaker 2:
[59:16] But you could read her lips, it was clear.

Speaker 3:
[59:19] Which is just pathetic though. It's like, why are you this desperate for attention? You had a husband who, with all his faults, I do believe Kyle really did love her. Oh, yeah. Trying to figure out a way to make this work. And I mean, watching the season, it is clear they're going to get divorced. She has no interest in him at this point.

Speaker 2:
[59:34] No.

Speaker 3:
[59:35] But he really did make every attempt this season to be like, I just want to spend time with you, I just want to have sex with you, I just want your attention. And she was just not into it and looking for any excuse to get out of it. Which I would have had a lot more respect for her, I think, had she just ended things. And then if she wanted to dig west.

Speaker 2:
[59:50] She promised him counseling when she was in the midst of this whole affair. I mean, I think she's going to come out of this in so many ways as the, you know, the victim, not the victim, the villain, because not only did she do what she did to Kyle with the friend and that whole thing, she betrayed a really good friend. And that is, you know, I think the thing that bothers me the most. In her face, she was so, you know, you're this, you're that, you're so capable, you're so everything else. And then she was, I mean, I just don't understand. I don't understand. And I thought she's just feeling herself a little too much. Somebody needs to bring her back down to earth.

Speaker 3:
[60:36] I think you're right. Like when they break up, which will inevitably happen, she's going to be crushed. Yeah. And her world's gonna start to spin out of control. She's not gonna know what to do. She already was in those paparazzi photos with Kyle on the streets of New York City, and he's hugging her. And I'm like, he's a better man than I am. I'd be like, get out of my face. Don't come around me. I have no sympathy for you.

Speaker 1:
[60:53] I think that Kyle knows, though, people are watching.

Speaker 3:
[60:57] Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1:
[60:58] And I'm gonna take the right steps here.

Speaker 2:
[60:59] And people were hating me, and so this is my comeback. So he should have a comeback too, like Ciara, and then see what happens. She's gonna have to eat.

Speaker 1:
[61:09] I think that Kyle's comeback is the fact that we're not all ready to kill him at the stake anymore. That's good enough for him. He's like, all right, listen, I got off from that. Thank God. I'll hopefully do better next time. What are your thoughts on Real Housewives of Rhode Island?

Speaker 3:
[61:26] I think it's great. It's the best, I think, premier season that any housewife has had in years. Salt Lake City, which I am a huge fan of, I think their first season sucked. I thought it felt overproduced. I really do like Jen Shaw as a housewife, and I actually don't agree with Andy for not giving her another chance, because we've given Teresa other chances and other housewives have come back, or Karen Huger. So I do think Jen should be given some sort of redemption.

Speaker 2:
[61:50] I think that it's because who her victim was, who her victims were. I think that's the problem. It really rubs people the wrong way. 100%.

Speaker 1:
[61:57] I mean, like, Teresa was, she was stealing from the government, like, okay.

Speaker 3:
[62:02] This was elderly people, yeah, which is bad. Right, yeah. But I think by season two, Jen Morseau came into her own, and then obviously all the legal problems started, which were fascinating. But I think Rhode Island from the jump. I mean, Alicia is fantastic television. Like, whoever found her is a casting god. She's wacky. She's like the Mary Cosby to me of Rhode Island. Her one-liners are hysterical. Her stories are funny. These women all know each other. And I think that that's the issue that Housewives has kind of gotten off track with a little bit. When they don't have integral relationships in real life before the show or outside of the show. Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[62:34] Like to know that Liz and Alicia have been friends since they were like eight years old, you know?

Speaker 3:
[62:40] I'm looking for the accents too. Their accents are so heavy.

Speaker 2:
[62:42] Oh my God. And the grammar, the, you know, cut from the cloth. It's like, it's just insane. They're so funny. It's hard for me to tell them apart. I am really-

Speaker 3:
[62:52] Same. I am watching and I still don't know who's who. They all look like Dolores.

Speaker 2:
[62:58] They all do.

Speaker 1:
[62:59] You guys, listen.

Speaker 2:
[63:01] I mean, they're more New Jersey than New Jersey.

Speaker 3:
[63:03] Well, then I think that's the fear. And that's what a lot of I had heard kind of for the past six months to a year was that if this does really well, Why do they need New Jersey? It's putting it at risk. And I think that even the Jersey casting decisions in my opinion are very poor. I think getting rid of Margaret is a real rough choice.

Speaker 2:
[63:22] We agree.

Speaker 3:
[63:23] Because she's a great, great character on reality TV because she's not afraid to go there. And I think if you don't have anyone willing to go there with Teresa, which Melissa will not now, obviously because I think, and this is my opinion, she realized that she needed her job and part of that job included making up with Teresa. And I think that Dolores never wants to go there with Teresa or Melissa. She's just very good at keeping peace. You need someone who's going to go there and now you're adding four new women to the mix that like the audience doesn't know they're 20 or 30 years younger than these women.

Speaker 1:
[63:53] Not that the audience doesn't know, but these women don't know.

Speaker 3:
[63:56] More so, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[63:57] It pisses me off. I'm like stop treating it like it's a casting couch. We have to find people with somewhat of a history. Even on Salt Lake, it's like Lisa and Meredith had been friends for a long time. Yes. Lisa went to college with Heather. Heather grew up with Angie.

Speaker 3:
[64:17] Cousins of Whitney either.

Speaker 1:
[64:18] Even if it's not this close, give me some sort of-

Speaker 2:
[64:22] Yeah, it can't be a stranger. It can't be like a stranger.

Speaker 3:
[64:25] I've heard these are all strangers to that and that these are people that have no-

Speaker 2:
[64:28] They're because of just the history and just her place on the show. They probably think Teresa is, oh my God, Teresa. They're not going to go head-to-head with Teresa. They're not. I hope there's somebody there with a pair of balls, but I don't think they will. Do you believe these rumors that Teresa is already reneging on filming with the Gorgas and that there's some kind of...

Speaker 3:
[64:55] So she said in Us Weekly, and this just stood out to me. It was very bizarre last week. I think she exclusively told Us Weekly that basically she's not sure if she'll be allowed to film with Joe Gorgas, which doesn't make any sense. Of course, they're going to want you to film with Joe Gorgas. He's your brother and you now made up. I think, and I think I had an exclusive on this last week or the week before, that she is definitely like... I mean, she said it in that interview, too, that like, you know, now I'm going to be watching the show and hopefully they'll have my back. And I feel like she's watching what they say and do. I don't think she's capable of not letting things go, or sorry, letting things go. Like I do believe like they've tried to move on and people seem to think it's sincere to a degree. But I don't think she's the type of person who like if somebody says something negative about her, she's shown through history. She doesn't like that.

Speaker 2:
[65:44] And not jealous of Melissa. I'm sorry, she's jealous of always been jealous of her. But now with her success with the cookies and everything else, I think Gia was saying something the other day about it.

Speaker 3:
[65:55] That she thought that she was taking like her mom's idea.

Speaker 2:
[65:57] Yes. And then she said that her dad screwed up, like screwed up on something. I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[66:03] Well, I think she's saying which is I mean, the reason why the sprinkle cookies work for Melissa is because Teresa had that huge fit.

Speaker 2:
[66:11] Okay, but she didn't think.

Speaker 1:
[66:12] I like pinoli cookies.

Speaker 2:
[66:13] I don't like pinoli cookies. Well, then open your own pinoli cookies, whatever.

Speaker 3:
[66:17] Yeah, and do it. I think the issue with Teresa too is when she went to prison, she had so many business deals in line. She had her cookbooks and she had the Fabellini wine and Skinny Italian.

Speaker 2:
[66:27] She said she had her own line of sauces and...

Speaker 3:
[66:30] Based on her Skinny Italian book and it all just went to shit because nobody wanted to do business with her. It was a bad look. I do think she rewrites history a little bit with Joe Giudice, which bothers me. I don't think she kind of puts all the blame on him. I think that's very unfair. I think he's had a huge cross to bear with getting deported and not being able to watch his children grow up. I think that should have been maybe reconsidered. I get he wasn't a citizen, but he didn't really do a crime that big that he really deserved to be deported. I feel like she's very good at blame shifting in his direction, blaming him for not having time with her mom.

Speaker 2:
[67:06] We had him on the show. He does not talk bad about her or Louie.

Speaker 3:
[67:10] Which to me, I'm like, if my ex-wife kept bashing me repeatedly in the press, and I get it, he's not on TV anymore. But at some point, you got to clap back and be like, well, this is not exactly the case, but he's just classy in that regard and he will not bash her. But to the casting choice with her and Melissa, I do think last summer, they definitely did the test filming, I believe that. And I think she was going to be cut. I don't think that would have been the right choice either, because I do think she's an integral part of the show. The show has always been about Teresa, and then kind of everybody who falls in line. But putting new people on that have no relationship, like I rather they would have brought like Cathy Waukelee back. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[67:46] I was just going to say, listen, people keep being like, oh, Julia, our first lesbian housewife, Jenna, lesbian housewife. I'm sorry, but give me butch lesbian housewife, Rosie. Let Rosie hold a meatball, OK? That's what's good television.

Speaker 3:
[68:05] Rosie would be a good fit. Like, I think she'd be funny. Like, I don't think Julia was funny. Julia just came off to me as bizarre and she didn't really ever fit in that group.

Speaker 1:
[68:12] No, terrible.

Speaker 3:
[68:12] And then she kind of became a pick me girl last season willing to throw her friends under the bus just for attention, with what she deemed as the more popular crowd on that show. But yeah, I think Cathy and Rosie would be great. I think Jacqueline Larrita has always been a great housewife. Obviously, she doesn't live there anymore, so that would be a problem.

Speaker 2:
[68:31] But you know what? Any of those people would have been great instead of these new people. This is like a casting fuck up. I'm telling you.

Speaker 3:
[68:39] People want to watch the people that they followed for years. They don't want to watch new people. They proved this season six when they put the twins and Amber on. I think, which people get very angry when I say this, Amber Marquez, in my opinion, was a very good housewife who got an unfair deal. Because I think had they brought her in any other season, she would have stuck around for more than one year. Because-

Speaker 1:
[68:58] With her husband?

Speaker 3:
[68:59] Well, I think that, and Jim's a great, like-

Speaker 1:
[69:02] Don't say it.

Speaker 3:
[69:05] He actually did the mortgage on both of my houses. But he's always been so kind to me and I've been in their house. His children are so respectful.

Speaker 2:
[69:15] Talk about an insider.

Speaker 3:
[69:18] He's never been homophobic at all in my presence or to me or to my husband ever. I know he's gotten a lot of flak online where people say he's homophobic. I have not had that experience with him whatsoever. I think Andy obviously did not like Jim. That's evident. It was evident, I think when they were on Watch What Happens Live, it was evident in things he said since. I think he's called him the worst house husband in history or the biggest asshole in history, something he said about him.

Speaker 1:
[69:42] I'm glad that he was never homophobic to you while he was doing your mortgage and making money.

Speaker 3:
[69:50] But honestly, even before that, they had us over their house when the season was airing. They had us over for dinner. Their kids were the most respectful children I have ever met. They could not have been more gracious and kind. It just is a very different experience, I think, than what a lot of people think they're like. The twins, on the other hand, were at my wedding, which was fun, but it was interesting how many people wanted to post their pictures with them, obviously take autographs, whatever. But then I didn't really stay in touch after, and I ran into Teresa on the streets of Red Bank, which is like a south Jersey town, just randomly last year. But that was the first time I've seen her really in years. I think that they were a gimmicky casting choice. All things to say that I think putting random people, it showed it didn't work and the fans were really upset and they had to bring back Jack on the next year and then Daniel Stodd the next year. I think just random casting just doesn't work on these shows.

Speaker 2:
[70:44] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[70:44] Right.

Speaker 2:
[70:45] I think with Rory doing so well, I think that they might try one seat. I mean, are they already taping?

Speaker 3:
[70:55] They're supposed to start filming, I think, this summer.

Speaker 2:
[70:56] Okay. So if they start filming and they might have one season, but if there's going to be that hole, I'm not, it'll be last season again.

Speaker 3:
[71:07] A hundred percent.

Speaker 2:
[71:09] We don't want that. We're sick of it.

Speaker 1:
[71:11] I think it's going to be manufactured dramas, my scare. I think that Teresa is like, I'm going to bring the table flip back.

Speaker 2:
[71:18] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[71:18] Which I don't want a part two of that. It wouldn't seem authentic, I don't think.

Speaker 1:
[71:21] Oh, exactly.

Speaker 3:
[71:23] My theory is that it's not, and this is just opinion, this is nothing anyone's told me. I don't think it's going to do well because people are not going to be as invested in these new women. And I think they're going to have to call Margaret back and beg her to come back. I do believe she doesn't want to film with Teresa. And I do believe that story that she told them like, I'm not.

Speaker 2:
[71:38] Yeah, I believe that. She's adamant about that.

Speaker 3:
[71:42] Which I wish she would not be, only because I think she's like, I get it. She has other projects and she feels like she doesn't need the show when she's ready to move on. And I do believe those conversations with Bravo happened because 99% of the times when the women are like, I walked away, I'm like, no, you didn't. But I actually do really believe that she did not want to film with her after the whole alleged Louis calling her son, which really bothered her. But I think I wish she would just say she will because she's the only person willing to go against her. And I think viewers really do want to see, even years later, they want to see them have a sit down. They want to see them arguing. They want to see them hashing out their drama. They don't care about these two new sisters they're bringing them to have no connection to the cast and now.

Speaker 2:
[72:21] I do wish that Margaret would be willing to do that, even if the outcome is not the best. But at least try to sit down and have the conversation. Do you think Louie is going to play a big role in this new season?

Speaker 3:
[72:35] My guess is no, because she seemed to have kept him in the background a bit more last season. But it's also been off the air for two years, so maybe she will try to bring him back to the forefront and try to see if she can get him some more support. I will say, I met him briefly, just like a quick hello. He was friendly. He didn't seem like, I think he gets a bad rep also. I think it's hard to reach him on the phone.

Speaker 2:
[72:57] I've spoken to him on the phone and I always found him, Ace gets mad, but I've always found him. I do think he loves her and I do think he wants to protect her. I don't feel like-

Speaker 1:
[73:07] If I could, I would beat you with a baseball bat right now.

Speaker 2:
[73:11] He has anger issues. Nobody's denying that. He does have them, but I do think that, imagine everybody attacking you for everything in your past. We've all done stupid things.

Speaker 1:
[73:25] The thing is, we were attacking him for things like that. It's not like, oh, Louis went out and was an asshole to the waitstaff at a restaurant or something, but it's like you told a woman that you would beat her with a bat if you could.

Speaker 2:
[73:48] And there's no excuse for that. But that woman, no excuse for that, Ace. Let's make that clear.

Speaker 1:
[73:54] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Kelly Dodd all over. Don't do it.

Speaker 2:
[73:58] No, God. Oh, God. Do not say that. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[74:04] You know what? Before we go, I'd love to know your thoughts on the new season of Real Housewives of Atlanta. We've got some new girls. We've got new faces. We've got Pinkie. We've got Kaye Michelle, which do you relate to Kaye Michelle? You had silicone, illegal silicone butt implants as well, right?

Speaker 3:
[74:20] Of course. I think Atlanta has been a sinking ship since Nini left. I really do. I feel like it's struggling. I feel like and I'm hoping I'm right, that the reason they're bringing her back on road trip is to segue her back next season. Yeah, I really feel like they need her. The show just again with random casting, it just like I don't care about these people. And I know a lot of people don't care about Sheree, and I get it, she didn't always give the full story. I still think she's a great housewife and she's always willing to come back. I think a great cast of Atlanta would be Nini, Sheree, Kim and then maybe Phaedra and Portia. Because these are people again.

Speaker 1:
[74:59] Would you bring Kim back?

Speaker 3:
[75:01] Yeah, I know that's an unpopular choice also, but I think she got a really raw deal. I don't think she did anything that any other housewife wouldn't do. I think that the fallout from that though was a lot bigger than what Bravo probably projected and they had to take action very quickly. Because I think the woman suing them said that they were planning to bring Kenya back for the next season at first, and she protested that. But I feel like Bravo also got a raw deal on that because they protected her and then she turned around and sued them. But as far as the new cast, it's all right. It doesn't excite me, it hasn't in years.

Speaker 1:
[75:36] Here's my thoughts. I actually don't normally say this about housewives. I enjoy these women individually. It just doesn't really come together as a group. I find Pinky to be extremely interesting to me. I think that Kaye Michelle is so wild. I think that Kelly's story is interesting if we could get a little bit more into it. Like her fucking dog, why does her dog look like that? Why is her dog painted? That's always odd to me. I want to see Portia go down on a woman. I want to see all these things, but when they come together, it doesn't work. Where normally I only like when my housewives are together.

Speaker 3:
[76:18] Yeah, as a group collectively, I don't think they work. And I think that's been the issue for years. Candy leaving was a big problem, I think, for the show. Kenya not being there is a big problem.

Speaker 1:
[76:29] They fucked up the candy thing because we would have had them getting separated.

Speaker 3:
[76:33] A hundred percent. And that's people, I mean, that would have immediately dragged viewers in because it does look like their divorce thing is heating up and it's a little more bitter than people predicted. And Mama Joyce is great TV.

Speaker 2:
[76:45] It was her decision to step away. So it's not like they fucked up. She didn't mean she was done.

Speaker 3:
[76:52] And she gave a lot to that support.

Speaker 1:
[76:53] But also, I think that they knew at this point, we're really interested in Phaedra. And we wanna try and bring Phaedra back, but we know Candy won't do it with Phaedra. And so I feel like she was kind of given a lose-lose situation.

Speaker 3:
[77:11] Which that's another thing I still would like to see them hash out their beef years later. Even Gretchen and Tamra, and I know this is not a popular opinion after last season, but I do think there's a lot of viewers who want to see them sit down and still figure it out because that has been the overarching drama through the years on the show, is Gretchen and Tamra fighting.

Speaker 2:
[77:30] And you think Vicki coming back is a good idea?

Speaker 3:
[77:33] I think Vicki's great TV. I never think she should have left. I feel like that was a mistake also because I feel like OC's gone through some seasons that were really crappy. Like, Tamra judged me is, and this is again, probably not a popular opinion, and I get flack when I say this on Twitter and such, she is the housewife. She came in and rewrote the game because she understands how to do this. Like, she's a master class in housewives. And I agree. Love her, hate her. Without her, there is no show. And when they got rid of her, I was like, this show is so boring because you don't have anybody who's willing to just put it out there and say it. And granted, has she said things that people have been really offended by for the years? Sure. But that's what's made the show good. And she has had the most iconic one-liners, the Jesus Chugs line, the That's My Opinion line. I mean, things that you just remember through the years. And I feel like without her, that show is stale. And I think that adding Vicki back into the mix should be good. I am a little fearful that after last season, they're all gonna play it really safe because there has been nothing leaked about that season. And I, being in my spot, I'm a big believer when nothing's leaked, it's because it's really boring. Because there's always something leaked.

Speaker 1:
[78:40] Remember, what season was it? There was something with Salt Lake City that was big.

Speaker 3:
[78:44] One of the seasons, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[78:46] And somehow we went into it blind, and I was like, hell yeah.

Speaker 3:
[78:50] I think it might have been the blogger thing with Monica, but that did eventually come out. Oh, yes. She's at her house, I feel like, got an unfair shake. I want to see her back also, because I just want to see her. She is, but I want to see them fight with her, her psychotic mother. But Tamra, to me, I think this season, I'm hoping it will be good, but I get why 100% that they did not bring Gretchen back after the allegations. Those were very heavy allegations at the end of last season. I actually thought Andy Cohen, sort of didn't go hard enough at her. He seemed a bit forgiving, more so than I think people expected him to be.

Speaker 1:
[79:26] Let me tell you what pisses me off about that whole situation, is because it's a bunch of people, like fucking Ana Quincoces over here, who don't know how to do technology, these women should have said, give me your phone and let me look through your liked posts. There's a whole section where you can just look at everything she's ever liked. And you can scroll. There is? Yes, again, of course. And they could have just easily gone through and been like, well, that's weird. There's this, there's this, there's this. Come on.

Speaker 3:
[79:53] Well, I agree with you, and that would have solved the problem. I think also whether she did or she didn't, because like, we'll obviously never know for sure. I think her defense was terrible. Like, she looked like a deer caught in headlights and she seemed guilty, just by the fact that she gave me like, I don't know, let me think about it. Let me talk to Slade, I don't know. I have to call Slade, I'm confused. Like, you did or you didn't. And if I knew that I did not do that, I would be fighting like hell to be like, I absolutely did not do this, this is bullshit. She didn't have that response. And again, I think this master housewife, I mean, Tamra really, like, she always is good at like, knowing when, because people are really routing on her, like, well, why didn't you bring this up earlier? Well, hello, like, you want something really explosive for the finale, and here it was handed us on the floor.

Speaker 2:
[80:38] Right, exactly. She timed it.

Speaker 3:
[80:40] It was brought up at the exact correct moment, in my opinion, and it made for a great reunion. People said last season, they thought that was really boring, and I did not personally think that at all.

Speaker 1:
[80:49] I thought the first half with Katie Janela was great.

Speaker 2:
[80:52] Oh God, he loves Katie Janela.

Speaker 1:
[80:54] I do.

Speaker 3:
[80:55] So I feel like she got a really raw deal also on the show. I think the lie detector thing was BS.

Speaker 1:
[81:02] Oh, completely. Fuck Emily Simpson.

Speaker 3:
[81:05] I don't know why Emily and Gina are still on this show. I think it's eight seasons now in. It makes it's the worst casting choice, the two of them in history to me of Orange County.

Speaker 1:
[81:14] And I feel like Emily, they brought in because of her mother-in-law, and we've never really gotten that.

Speaker 3:
[81:20] No, we're done. Tamra sort of I think she planned a party for her.

Speaker 1:
[81:24] She was a party planner. Yeah, but we've never seen her plan a party since.

Speaker 3:
[81:29] No, and her whole lawyer storyline with her and Shane, it's like, no one cares. And she has gotten funnier through the years, I think. But Gina, to me, just like, I would say she just seems like she belongs on Long Island somewhere and she doesn't really fit in in Orange County. And she doesn't have their affluence. She doesn't have their same quick responses. I don't really care about the fact that she started not drinking. It's just nothing about her is interesting to me. And well, I guess her ex-husband, Matt, he's hot, so he's interesting. Other than that, there's nothing interesting there at all. That's the storyline. And I don't know why she's not been fired. And they keep just bringing her back again and again. And Andy and production seem to love her and Emily. They think they're great TV. So clearly, they don't pay attention to Twitter comments.

Speaker 2:
[82:10] But I think maybe they like the friendship. I don't know. I don't know what it is. But yeah, she's very boring. I don't hate Emily. I think she can be funny, you know, and I think that. I think that she'll say whatever she has to say. And I always appreciate that. Then people trying to play it safe. I don't think she really plays it safe that much. But yeah, Gina doesn't make much sense. And I am too disappointed in the Katie Janelle thing. I'm concerned about Tamra and Vicki butting heads because, you know, we've gotten a glimpse of Vicki when they brought her in for a few episodes and she's being very, I don't do that anymore and she's wanting peace and, you know, wanting to give people financial advice. We don't want that Vicki. We want the woohoo Vicki. But I think that she's coming back as the woohoo Vicki. And I think Tamra is going to feel, well, I've been holding this show together for all this time. And now this person is going to be lauded as like, oh my God, she's, I think that that's going to cause some tension between them. I really do predict that.

Speaker 1:
[83:21] Can we also admit, like, to all of the Real Housewives of Orange County superfans, like, Joe is not the moment. Like, Joe was great when we didn't know what the fuck this show was. But now we see Joe and I'm like, oh, it's like Kmart version of like Housewives. I'm not interested in Joe. We do not need Joe. I don't ask for Joe back.

Speaker 3:
[83:42] I don't hate her, but I feel like also like she was a two season and done and we're on season 20, like it's not necessary. Like to me, Alexis Bellino, Gretchen Rossi, those are much more integral pieces of the puzzle than Joe.

Speaker 2:
[83:53] Oh my God. I would like them to bring back up. I hate Jesus Juggs. And of course I hate Johnny J, but I would be interested even as a friend to see how that's going. Yeah. And Shannon also needs to, she needs to start bringing it.

Speaker 3:
[84:11] I feel like she's so played out.

Speaker 2:
[84:13] She is.

Speaker 3:
[84:14] I'm tired of her. Like she, in my opinion, is somebody who just is an opinion, bitter and drunk and like she's just as angry at life.

Speaker 2:
[84:22] And I used to fall for the whole bit, like the Lucille Ball. I'm just kind of airheaded and all the physical kind of stuff that she's either falling or oh my god and all a wreck. Ace always told me it was kind of made up and it was part of, it was a shtick. And I didn't want to believe that. Now I'm thinking it's a shtick.

Speaker 1:
[84:47] She's always looking for something to trip over.

Speaker 2:
[84:49] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[84:50] Yeah. And also I just find like at this point, like her storyline is not overly interesting. I think it's played out. Like we know that like your husband cheated and that was interesting. And then we know you got divorced, interesting. The wait stuff, I guess, interesting. And then you had a new relationship, but then clearly that was toxic and that fell apart. Like, so where does it end? Like at some point you're playing the same character you've been playing for 10 years.

Speaker 2:
[85:10] And like unless she finds love and, you know, there's some, you know, geriatric bravo wedding. I don't know. You know, I mean, that's the only thing Shannon back.

Speaker 1:
[85:21] If they bring back Locke, Ladies of Rock. All right. I want to see her daughters performing again. That's what I want to see.

Speaker 3:
[85:31] There's something.

Speaker 1:
[85:32] Oh, my God. Listen, Matt, where can everybody find you?

Speaker 3:
[85:37] I'm on Twitter or X, whatever it's called now. It's Matt Richards. My Instagram's private, so that's no fun. And Reality Blurb for my.

Speaker 1:
[85:45] Do you also have do you have one of those like porn X accounts to? Do people follow that?

Speaker 3:
[85:51] OK. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[85:52] Is it called that?

Speaker 3:
[85:53] I make my money.

Speaker 1:
[85:54] Matt Lohanger.

Speaker 3:
[85:55] Yeah, that's it. Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[85:57] Lohanger, swing low, swing low, swing low, Matt swings low. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, we can find you at Reality Blurb. Are you enjoying your time at Reality Blurb?

Speaker 3:
[86:07] Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 2:
[86:08] It's fun being back at Reality Blurb.

Speaker 3:
[86:10] I mean, they're on Bravo all the time, so Bravo constantly flashes their articles, which is fun. Yeah. And I get to do a lot of exclusive fun stuff there, so it's a good time.

Speaker 1:
[86:19] Nice. Listen, we are very happy to have had you here, Mr. Housewife. Thank you for sharing all of your opinions with us, even when they were wrong.

Speaker 2:
[86:29] You know what? He reminds me a little bit of Brian Moylan in that he knows a lot about reality TV. Like, impressive.

Speaker 3:
[86:38] I said I need like reality TV Jeopardy, I think, at some point.

Speaker 2:
[86:40] Yeah, no, it's impressive how much you know, how the insight that you have. I thought it was very interesting.

Speaker 1:
[86:46] Why don't you ever say that about me?

Speaker 2:
[86:50] I have. I have.

Speaker 1:
[86:51] I don't think you said it's impressive when you've mentioned my knowledge of Bravo and reality TV.

Speaker 2:
[86:55] You're so impressive, Ace. You're so amazing. I just didn't know him and I didn't know to expect that depth of knowledge.

Speaker 1:
[87:08] It's a skill. It's a blessing and a curse, Matt.

Speaker 3:
[87:11] It's so much startup here for years and years and years.

Speaker 1:
[87:15] Thank you, Matt, for joining us. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you for being here. Leave us a five-star review. Only say positive things about us. Nothing negative. Make sure you subscribe to our YouTube, our Spotify, our Apple, our podcasts, our OnlyFans, our Instagram, our brand new Instagram that only has 300 followers. Yeah, you know, just find us everywhere you can. Ana's starting her OnlyFans. I'm already on OnlyFans. You can find Matt on X for free. The free port on X is great. So thank you guys so much for being here. We love you and goodbye. Goodbye.