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Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
[03:52] I think the Pistons were definitely just more desperate. Okay, Ocho, knowing and understanding that, man, listen, game two, this is a must-win situation for us. We can't go to Orlando down 0-2 thinking we gonna win on their home floor. So I think, you know, they got their morale back. I thought they came out and made a huge emphasis on defense just to be physical, obviously, and just play a lot harder. I thought, you know, I thought they took Wendell Carter out of the game on the Ocho to where, you know, offensively, you know, last game what he had about 19, 20 points. I mean, I think the biggest factor is, man, Cage has got to continue to be ultra aggressive, ultra aggressive, make plays not only for himself, but for them guys around him. And he got to be, if he efficient, then their wins will look like this because they're a great defensive team. It don't surprise me that they held Orlando to 83 points.

Speaker 1:
[04:45] On 33% shooting from the floor, 25% from the three. Out rebounding them, they're plus 15 in the rebounding aspect. Go ahead, Ocho, you want to say something?

Speaker 3:
[04:57] No, I was going to say it was a collective effort on their behalf, on the Pistons. Obviously, Cade Cunningham doing exactly what he's supposed to do, obviously leading that squad, but going down Ocho, you don't want to have to dig yourself out that kind of hole, Joe, and make it that more difficult. So they knew they had to even this goddamn series out. And not only that, it was a collective effort from everybody. Goddamn, Tobias had 16, Robertson had 10, you got 11 from Durin. Shit, Cunningham did what he did with 27, and goddamn, Thompson had 11. So everybody, including, you know, he had Stewart coming off the bench, you know, he had 10. He had some other people contribute a little bit as well, but listen, they got to play like this. They got to play like this the rest of the series, or hell, it could be a goddamn upset.

Speaker 2:
[05:39] Yeah. Yeah, it could be an upset, Ocho. I mean, obviously, you know, Detroit hadn't really been tested, so we don't really know if they're a championship caliber team yet. We just know they're number one in the Eastern Conference. You know what I mean? So now, if they are a championship caliber team, now they got to show it because you got to go out on the road and you got to go get you one. You know what I mean? So we'll see if them guys can step up, step up to the challenge, and obviously still one in Orlando.

Speaker 1:
[06:05] Yeah, there's the difference between playoff basketball and regular season basketball, and we see that a lot. There's a difference between regular season and postseason in anything, be it football, basketball, baseball, hockey, whatever team sport is. If you have a postseason, there's a difference, the intensity level. There's greater expectations, especially on higher seed because you got that higher seed by playing good basketball during the season. Now all of a sudden, when it matters the most, when we need to get stops, when we need to be efficient in clutch situations, we don't get that done. So anybody that says they don't do you, oh, you know, you absolutely know what it is. And Detroit knows. They basically had the best record in the Eastern Conference. Damn, they're from start to finish. Even when Cade went out, they still found ways to win. And now here they find themselves in a series, one-one with Orlando. Now they're going to need to do a better job. They did a great job on the glass tonight, Joe. They have plus 15 Detroit was over Orlando. They're going to need to do better. They're going to have to shoot the three. Now, I don't think necessarily think they're a great three-point shooting team. They can get streaky like most teams can, but some teams are better. The Boston Saints are a good three-point shooting team. Detroit's not. They better knock down some of these damn free throws.

Speaker 2:
[07:20] Yeah, yeah, I agree. They got to shoot better from the three. Unc, Ocho, not only that, I think they hang their head on their defense. You know what I mean? Like they pride themselves defensively. It ain't too many times they're going to get out of rebound with Durin and Big Boy Stewart down there. It ain't many times that they're going to get out of rebound. So, they come with a tough mindset, hard hat, outwork you, and do whatever it takes to win the game. Now, you just hope your stars step up. Obviously, Cade has been consistent, but man, if you can get some consistent productivity from Tobias Harris, every, I'm talking about consistent. I'm saying it ain't gotta be about 15, 20 points a night, but can we get that consistently? Then I think that'll definitely help because they're asking too much for Durin. You know, oh man, he need to give us 25.

Speaker 1:
[08:09] That ain't his game, bro. That ain't his game. Can we ask to give him what you gave us in the regular season? Is that asking too much, Joe?

Speaker 2:
[08:18] I don't think it's asking too much, but here's the problem. In a playoff series, bro, we're going to try to expose you. We're going to have to play Durin tough. We can't give him nothing easy. See, he's known for getting them put backs to just being kind of like a junkyard dog type of player to where he kind of, you know, feed off missed shots, but it's tough, man. Hey, Orlando got some big bodies that they can throw at him, and it's been giving him some problems. You know what I mean? He hadn't been as effective as he's been, you know, in the regular season, but I expect this play to continue to get better, too.

Speaker 1:
[08:53] Joe, if he continues to play like this, they going home. If Jalen Durden does not pick up that play, they're going home. You can't have a situation, Joe, you're two best players. One of your players is playing like he's supposed to play. Cade Cunningham has elevated his game. 39 in the first game, 27. Jalen Durden has not, he wasn't, that's a potential, he's going to be an all NBA player. He made the All-Star team, and he giving us, no, no, look, the playoffs is about elevating. It's not about decreasing. It's about giving a damn what you do. Yes, oh yes, I understand that. But see, that's, see what you said, Joe? You said, hey, let's make it tough on them. That's how you make your name. That's how you become legendary. That's how you become iconic, because you know, they know what you represent, and they're going to do what they came to stop it. And guess what? You still go that damn bus game. You can't pause.

Speaker 2:
[09:49] Yeah, but you're right. That's what the great ones do. You already, you know what we running. We know what you're running. Still, I don't care. You can't stop it. But I think we kind of got to give him a little slack on it. He's just not an offensive guy like that. He's just been a hardworking dude who's put up some great numbers during the regular season. But in the postseason, I'm dialed in on him. I see his stress. I see his weaknesses. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna make him use it. You feel what I'm saying? I feel like with them just throwing him the ball, trying to say, hey man, go get us a bucket, that ain't his game, man.

Speaker 1:
[10:23] Guess what? I want you to be that same hardworking guy in the postseason that you were in the regular season. Because guess what? You know what's coming his way, don't you, Joe? You know that max contract coming, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[10:34] Yeah. The one thing about Orlando, they big, they fighting, bro. It ain't going to be easy. If you're supposed to be that guy, you're going to have to show us you're that guy.

Speaker 1:
[10:44] Yeah, for sure. And that's the way you should, but you got to want to take it like, you know what, man? They really count on me. Because you know Detroit, ever since the Bad Boys, what are they known for? You ain't finna out scrap us, and if we got to squabble, we go squabble. But you're not finna out work because you're not going to be out tough for us. It started with Isaiah, and then when they started bringing in Lambeer, and they got Mahorn, and they got James Edwards, and they got Sal, and Dumas, bro. Then they got Worm.

Speaker 2:
[11:17] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[11:20] That's how they've always been. Fast forward to Bass Boy Pistons too. When they had Big Ben, Shee, Chauncey, RIP, Tayshon.

Speaker 3:
[11:28] RIP.

Speaker 1:
[11:29] This is always who they've been. Now, the third edition, the third installment, the trilogy, even though Stu come off the bench, he brings that toughness. K plays tough. Those guys, this is what you in Detroit. It's kind of like if you play for the Steelers, you play for the Ravens, you already know. You got to get some mindset.

Speaker 2:
[11:49] Yes sir.

Speaker 1:
[11:50] But you don't walk in there and say, aw man, nah, nah, nah, nah. Ain't no finesse football.

Speaker 2:
[11:56] Nah, you're not.

Speaker 1:
[11:58] Detroit Pistons, they can't play finesse. You gotta be physical. This is who y'all are. Y'all ain't got no free, y'all not go to stay at their hay day. Y'all ain't pretty. Y'all dump trucks, y'all Mack trucks, y'all pickup trucks.

Speaker 2:
[12:14] Gritty and grimy. Yeah, that's how they gotta play. And I thought today, you know, they play like it, but on another note, I thought Orlando kinda, they look satisfied to me, uncle.

Speaker 1:
[12:25] I saw that.

Speaker 2:
[12:26] I'm gonna lie to you. And I'm watching Orlando, I'm like, they ain't really come with that same oomph they had in game one. That's kinda like, you know, they, it seemed like they were kinda satisfied that we went in there one-on-one game now. We'll see what they do in game three, but I'm gonna be honest with y'all. I expect the Pistons to obviously come back and take control of this series.

Speaker 1:
[12:46] Yeah. You know what? I thought they, I thought they, I thought they were really, really engaged in the first half. If you look at them, the way they played the first half, Joe, especially the second quarter, I thought I said, damn, I said, Detroit, y'all better be on y'all best behavior, man. Because these boys look at it, they're greedy. Look like they're trying to get sweet. Yeah. They ain't trying to split the pot. They're trying to take it all. And I been damned, they didn't come out there. The next thing I know, a 30 to 3. It really blew the game open from that point on. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[13:18] Damn, Orlando ain't getting no contribution from they bench.

Speaker 1:
[13:21] No.

Speaker 2:
[13:22] I like how, you know, Suggs is being aggressive. But I want, once again, Ocho when I'm watching Orlando Magic, man, I'm watching, I'm watching Paolo Bencaro.

Speaker 3:
[13:32] Paolo.

Speaker 2:
[13:34] I don't want him out there doing all that dribbling, I can't, Ocho, I'm sorry, bro. I'm talking about a free throw line in the end is where he should be, I'm talking about, it shouldn't be a person on the Pistons team who could guard him, bro. He give us flashes because he showed us in game one, he could do it.

Speaker 3:
[13:49] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[13:50] And I just think he got back today, handling the ball, having a little man set the pick and roll. Man, hey, look, that's part of being great, doing it night in and night out, doing it over and over and over again. So he got to learn to stick with his bread and butter because them dudes can't guard him in the mid pose, man.

Speaker 1:
[14:07] No, everybody, nobody shot the ball great tonight. And you know, black normally gives him great production off the bench. Carter didn't play a whole lot. Bedozy, he played 20, he didn't really give him anything. They didn't, you're right, Joe, they didn't get anything. But you know, it was a game that I don't even know if they were really trying to give him anything because at that point in time, the game was a blowout.

Speaker 2:
[14:28] Right, right.

Speaker 1:
[14:29] But Wendell Carter Jr., you got to give him more than three points. You got to give him more than three, bro. Yeah, that's not acceptable. Yeah, the final is 29 and 24 minutes.

Speaker 2:
[14:42] Hey, look, but look, considering what they done to the Hornets for their last play-in spot, I think they're going to play pretty good at home.

Speaker 1:
[14:49] Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[14:51] Orlando, I think they're going to be a totally different team. So I think typically Ben Carroll going to play better. Even I don't think he played bad, but I think he'll play a lot better. You get more from Wendell Carter. I think these bench guys like Black, I think these guys, they'll be a lot more calmer and ready in game three being at home.

Speaker 1:
[15:12] Well, you know, they jettisoned the other big, Orlando did, Isaacs. Him and the coach had a falling out or something.

Speaker 2:
[15:19] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 1:
[15:23] But I like Mosley, isn't that their coach name?

Speaker 2:
[15:28] Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mosley, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[15:30] He don't back down. Ben Carroll was trying to take a few shots in the media. He like, hey, he right back at it.

Speaker 2:
[15:37] Yeah, hey, you got to be, hey, you got to be like that, man. You can't, you can't be nervous to challenge your guys, bro.

Speaker 1:
[15:43] If you want to be great, you got to be what? You got to want to be challenged.

Speaker 2:
[15:47] There you go, despite however they may feel, you can't be, you know, timid on challenging them guys, bro, because I think more than anything, you'll gain more respect from them. Yeah, for sure. You know, than anything.

Speaker 1:
[15:58] Go ahead, Ochocinco, go ahead.

Speaker 3:
[16:00] I say, you almost hope they respond the right way. You almost hope they respond the right way, because most of them don't take kind to being challenged, because they're sensitive. They don't see it as a challenge, they take it as something else. So as long as they understand, I'm sure they have conversations behind closed doors and coaches letting them know, you know, there's certain things that you can't say, because I also got to protect myself, because some of the things you say, it reflects me, who I am as a coach.

Speaker 2:
[16:25] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[16:25] Or I have no choice but to say some back. But there's nothing direct towards you, nothing personal. But I got to challenge you to be better.

Speaker 2:
[16:33] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[16:33] I think even if you don't gain said players respect, you gain his teammates respect, because they're watching. Yeah. Sometimes you can lose a locker room because how you treat, they see that, man, hold on. All you do is get on up. When we late, he late, you get on us. He blow a defensive assignment, you mad at me.

Speaker 2:
[16:57] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[16:58] You lose the locker room.

Speaker 2:
[16:59] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[17:01] No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Say something to him. He might not, hey, he might do everything he can to probably potentially get you up out of there, but at least you got to gain respect to the locker room. Because if you, hey, what good is, hey, you let him do everything and then you ain't got the locker room. You're going to be out of there quicker than that anyway. And so that's the thing, guys don't, and you're right, guys don't get it, guys don't want to be challenged because when you're great at a young age, you kind of get coddled because you're great. And coaches don't want you to take your ball and go home. Because I think like the NIL program now, guess what? You challenge a guy, now he just goes somewhere else.

Speaker 2:
[17:42] He going in the portal.

Speaker 1:
[17:45] You're in the door, you be hard.

Speaker 2:
[17:47] Yeah, I think the most important thing as a coach, Uncle Ocho and both of y'all know this, you have to know your players who you're dealing with. You have to know how they'll respond under certain circumstances. So it may be the heat of the game. Coach may already know he can jump down, you know what I'm saying? He can jump on me mid game. You feel what I'm saying? And if he can jump on your best player in front of everybody, it does weigh heavy because now all these other dudes around, when he do jump on them, they fall right in line. So I think as a coach, you got the toughest job, especially when it comes in the NBA. I'm sure the same thing in NFL, because you have to know how to deal with different personalities on a day to day. And that's the hardest thing.

Speaker 1:
[18:32] I'm gonna treat y'all, Bill Davis used to tell us all the time, I'm gonna treat y'all all fair, but I ain't gonna treat you the same now. Some guys you can ride like Joe said. Some guys, you gotta pat them on the back. Even when they're, hey, some guys you can be facetious with. Damn, son, my wife could have made that play. Some guys you gotta be facetious with, some guys you can ride. You just have to know what buttons to push to get what doors to open.

Speaker 2:
[18:56] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[18:58] That is the biggest thing for a coach, is to understand your players. I'm telling you, you try to do everybody the same, okay?

Speaker 2:
[19:06] Yeah, think about it. Okay?

Speaker 1:
[19:09] I don't know what you're doing. You're not a coach, a coach of the player, cause I've seen it.

Speaker 2:
[19:14] I've seen them square up. I've seen them square up. They ain't throw no blows. I've seen them square up. Hold on.

Speaker 3:
[19:19] Joe, hold on, Joe, you've seen who's square up? A coach and a player?

Speaker 2:
[19:23] Yeah, yeah, a coach and a player.

Speaker 3:
[19:25] Hold on, in the NBA?

Speaker 2:
[19:26] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[19:27] Hey listen, without saying no names, can I get that story? Don't say no names.

Speaker 2:
[19:35] It was my first year here in Atlanta. My first year here in Atlanta, Ocho, now mind you, they just came off winning nine games a season before. So the environment, you know, wasn't, you know.

Speaker 3:
[19:48] It was shaky.

Speaker 2:
[19:48] It wasn't the best, you feel what I'm saying? So it's probably already tension built up from last season. Right. It just kind of carried over. And this was like early in the season. Like I say, we started off here three and 29 here. Boy, it was almost spicing here every day.

Speaker 1:
[20:04] Yeah. Hey, ask PJ Carmelissimo, can you coach everybody the same?

Speaker 2:
[20:12] Hey, hold up though. Ask Phil Jackson, look how he had to coach the Wyrm. Knowing that man was gonna get out of line, didn't drive.

Speaker 1:
[20:19] And George said, let me deal with him.

Speaker 2:
[20:24] Hey, you got some players, because you know, bro, you know, especially the ones that's great, it's certain stuff you're gonna have to deal with and you're gonna have to try and minimize, you know, the punishment to some degree, because if Dennis Rodman was doing that and he wasn't who he was, like he'd be out the league. Production and tolerance.

Speaker 1:
[20:45] As long as production on your show is tolerance.

Speaker 2:
[20:48] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[20:49] Tolerance will never be higher than production. I don't care. We talk about it in professional sports, in job, regular job. Look at the guy that's producing. Hey, his quota, his or her quota is through the roof. They come late, they eat at the desk, they might not have the right of time. Now you, you show up on time, you do everything right, but your quota ain't where it needs to be. The first time you get, you get written up and you got to go. First time they call your ass down to HR, you up out of there. Yeah. Yeah, but you got to be careful how you talk to people because everybody don't respond to the same stimuli. So that yelling and screaming, that's a trigger for somebody and they tear your ass up.

Speaker 2:
[21:37] Yeah, you're right. But a trigger from some trauma that happened early in life, you never know.

Speaker 1:
[21:46] That's what I was, Ocho, now we had a conversation kind of like our first year, Joe, and that's like when you date somebody, you're not just dating that person, you're dating the trauma that they dealt with before you got there.

Speaker 2:
[21:58] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[21:59] Come on. That's what you're dealing with. You don't know. You don't know. Same thing, you go to the pound, you get your, like, oh, this is a gorgeous dog, but you don't know what led that dog to be there. Now, you might do something that if previous owner did and trigger it, and you will get why he ended up where he, it ended up where, why it was. Same thing with a relationship. You might say something someone has said in their past, his or her, I just don't want you, I'm just not women because I know how y'all are. Oh, you just, it's just, no. You might say something, he or she might say something might trigger him or her from a previous situation or previous situations, or even further back, childhood. And it was booming. Yeah. Me, I was a guy, I didn't do well to yelling because I got yelled at a lot when I was younger. So I was just like, man, I can't wait to get grown. I don't like being yelled at. Tell me what I need to do. Yeah. And I'm going to do everything I possibly can to do it right. That yelling, I'm going to give you a look first. I'm going to give you a look first. Yeah. You hear me, son? You about to feel me. I don't do well with that, Joe. Just tell me, hey, I'm trying to mess it up.

Speaker 2:
[23:36] Right. Hey, tell me something. Did you raise your kids like that?

Speaker 1:
[23:41] Yeah. You know what?

Speaker 2:
[23:43] I mean, you have times you may yell at them, but I'm going to be honest with you. I ain't, you know, ain't none of my kids had their ass up.

Speaker 1:
[23:50] Oh, no, no, no, no. I like to get my ass up.

Speaker 2:
[23:53] But just by me raising my voice, that'll be enough for some tears to come down in their eyes. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[23:59] Went to the movies. Me and my girl, we going to see one movie, they going to see another movie. What you want? You know how kids are. Everybody, big slushy, own popcorn, own candy. I said, okay. The movie, they're going to be close in time. I said, don't y'all leave this movie. Y'all let me come back in here and get you. Okay, David, okay. Our movie's in. I think I was in it might have been like, probably like two or three minutes after theirs. I'm gonna go get them. Cause I was down in the hall, we at Fifth Joe, the movie, we down in the hall on the left, and they like in the front. I see them looking. I hear them, I see them, I see them and I hear them talking. I think they went to see this movie right here. I said, where y'all going? I didn't want to leave the movie. Don't worry about it. I got something for you when you get home. So we got home. Everybody tried to put it on everybody. I said, why you just didn't stay? Well, I didn't want to, I said, I appreciate that. I appreciate y'all sticking together, but you should have stuck your ass together in the movie where I told you to be.

Speaker 2:
[25:19] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[25:20] I told the ass up. Now I said, now listen, I'm going to work out. Don't y'all leave these rooms? I said, if the house on fire and the fireman come get you, say hell no, get out. Shut that ass out the house. Say, my daddy said, don't leave this room.

Speaker 3:
[25:42] Hey, that's a good one, that's a good one.

Speaker 1:
[25:45] Because you don't know. You don't, look, listen, with the kids, look, I'm very particular and I don't want nobody because I don't want to have to hurt somebody behind my kids because I will.

Speaker 2:
[25:57] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[25:57] But from, and this was really the first time they've ever done this. I used to take the kids to the mall and white people would ask me, how do you get them to do that? I'm like, I thought they was doing tricks or turning back flips or something. I said, do what, man? She was like, they're so well mannered. They're not running off in front of you. They're not yelling and screaming. Oh, you must have got me confused with you. I don't play that. I wish I would be running around these people, mom, people looking at me like I'm a damn fool. First thing they're gonna say, man, I saw Shannon Sharpe. Boy, his kids are a mess. They were running all through the mall. No, sir. Y'all empty to go in the store and be all that. No, sir.

Speaker 3:
[26:43] Yeah. See, hey, Joe, I don't know about you, Unc. You know, I don't really have no problem, especially having as many as I have. Obviously, everybody grown now, Unc, except three. I'm talking about, you know, 28, 27, 22. I mean, everybody grown now, but I'm trying to think of some time when they were little, but their mother's rule was such an iron fist, Unc. When they are with me, I never have no problems. And I try to get them to understand is, when you with me, it's okay to be free. You out that prison, you got to deal with when you at home, you know? I'm a little bit more lenient, Unc. I'm not the one that does the disciplining, unless necessary. I had one encounter, only one encounter that I can remember. I swear for God, it was with my son, and we all in the back of the car, and I told him, y'all stop playing around and put your seat belts on. And here he go. He done jumped out of the seat, and I had hit the brake, and he went flying and flew past me, and almost hit his head on the dashboard. Boy, I turned around and grabbed that collar, and said, man, if you don't... And I lost it a little bit. Obviously, I had to apologize later because that's the first time they ever seen me get out of character.

Speaker 2:
[27:57] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[27:58] And that was the only time. I ain't had a problem since. Hell, he a sophomore in high school. Now, I ain't had no problem since then.

Speaker 1:
[28:05] I think the thing is, guys, what I had to learn, Ocho, is that they were getting away with stuff. I let them get away with stuff because I wasn't there every day, and they started to take advantage of that. So I had to put my foot down. So I put my foot down. I said, okay, now, what you do at your mom's house, as long as you're not disrespectful, your mom called me and say, well, you said this or you said that, I'm going to fly it out and I'm going to tear your ass up. You want to, if your mom wants you to let you jump on the bed, let you run on the couch, put your feet on the dinner table, that ain't got nothing to do with it. I don't run your mom's household. But when you're here, yeah, I wish I would catch y'all jumping on the bed. I wish I would catch you walking on the couch. I wish I would. Oh, all that sitting. You know how women like to sit with their feet crossed up and on the couch? Your damn feet go on the floor.

Speaker 2:
[28:56] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[28:59] Sitting up on the, you know, sitting up on the counter. Boy, I would eat my food there. You got your ass up on that counter? Boy, you better get your ass off that counter. It's your bed. I don't play that.

Speaker 2:
[29:13] Hey, hey, it's like my grandpa. When we were little, he would never let us sit in his bed. He said, y'all make my bed hot, make my sheets hot.

Speaker 1:
[29:22] When I go to bed.

Speaker 3:
[29:27] Hey, hey, hey, and Joe, y'all knew it was a such thing as etiquette school?

Speaker 1:
[29:31] Yeah, I know it was etiquette school.

Speaker 3:
[29:32] Yeah, etiquette, oh, okay, okay, okay. Man had a, had a nerdy hit me, talk about French fry, I finna go to etiquette school all the way in French. Man, if you don't get, if you don't get off my phone and stop playing with me, stop playing with me, don't play with me. I think maybe it was just to get a reaction or just to see what I was gonna say.

Speaker 1:
[29:51] Yeah, you got it. I don't know what you were trying to get, but y'all don't know your cheap ass.

Speaker 3:
[29:57] Yeah, man, etiquette, we'll watch YouTube. Don't worry about it. We're learning about etiquette on YouTube. Right, plan to bring Chad, please.

Speaker 1:
[30:06] Because that's how it was with us. And see, people thought I was lying. When I said that at the dinner table, we didn't talk. And people asked me, why you eat so fast? Because I wanted to be able to talk. You couldn't talk at the dinner table. Barney Murray wasn't playing that. It wasn't. No. Hey, you know, because we only had one TV, not a kitchen. I mean, you slide back from the table to try to see the TV. So you try to, hey, want to be over? You either go watch TV or eat this damn food.

Speaker 2:
[30:35] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[30:36] Damn. Talk at the table.

Speaker 3:
[30:38] But hey, hold on. Hey, hold on, Unc. Hey, Joe, hold on. The best conversation, especially family-oriented conversation happened.

Speaker 1:
[30:45] I bet you got your ass tore up. The best ass whippin you would have got would have had to be at the dinner table.

Speaker 2:
[30:54] You tell, hey, hey, I know what Unc talk about, but I know what Ochocinco is talking about, some old Thanksgiving type.

Speaker 1:
[30:59] Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you ain't at the table. That's grown people at the table. We on the porch eating out of pie pans. You ain't at no damn table with them grown folks. All the grown folks sitting at the table. Eat at the good place. Right. Yeah. You drinking, they got the good glasses. You drinking out of jelly jars, mayonnaise jars. That's what you drinking out of.

Speaker 3:
[31:20] What you know about the jelly jar?

Speaker 1:
[31:21] I know. You leave that thing in that soju hot water so you can scrape the jelly bag off the side of the mayonnaise out of it. Yeah, that's what you. You not, man, you not, they weren't playing. That kid didn't sit at the dinner table. Kids got their plate and they went on the front porch. We could talk on the front porch. All the grown people were in the kitchen. They could talk, but you couldn't talk. Grown people talking, like how you see kids pulling on their parents' leg and stuff. Yeah. Lord, have mercy.

Speaker 3:
[31:55] No, I didn't shoot that. What? That ain't us doing that. Oh, no. Boy, you bring back good memories, boy. Joe, you remember cream of wheat? Yes. I know cream of wheat.

Speaker 1:
[32:07] We had grits. We didn't eat cream of wheat in Oatmeal.

Speaker 3:
[32:09] You had? Okay. What about Tang? You have a Tang?

Speaker 1:
[32:12] I remember Tang.

Speaker 2:
[32:14] What's Tang?

Speaker 3:
[32:15] Like a little powder.

Speaker 1:
[32:16] Powder, it's kind of like an orange drink. It was supposed to be like a kind of like an orange juice. Yeah, I know. I know Tang is, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[32:23] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[32:23] I don't even know. It's still amazing. Well, you can probably get anything off the internet.

Speaker 3:
[32:29] Yeah. A little drink, Joe, it was powder, but you mix it with water.

Speaker 1:
[32:32] It turned orange. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[32:33] You put too much water. You won't get no taste.

Speaker 1:
[32:36] But those were the days, man. I'm looking at these kids now. All the, how them kids be, boy, how the kids be so bad at the dinner, at the go out to the restaurants and you talk about, sit down. Oh, Lord, have mercy.

Speaker 2:
[32:50] Acting a fool on the man.

Speaker 1:
[32:52] Barney Porter say the first time, under the licks time is lightening.

Speaker 2:
[32:59] I seen the kid throw himself on the floor the other day.

Speaker 3:
[33:02] Oh, catch the tantrums.

Speaker 2:
[33:03] At the mall. At the mall. I'm talking about square face first on the mall, just on the floor, just acting a fool.

Speaker 3:
[33:09] I said, ooh. Joe, black folk?

Speaker 2:
[33:14] No.

Speaker 1:
[33:15] No.

Speaker 3:
[33:16] I ain't, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1:
[33:16] Look here.

Speaker 3:
[33:18] Hey, hey, grandma, favorite line. Wherever you show out, that's exactly when you get wore out.

Speaker 1:
[33:24] Yes, sir. My great-greatest, I'm gonna shut down, I'm gonna shut down on his ass.

Speaker 2:
[33:29] Yeah, yeah. Hey, you already knew, boy. You knew not to touch nothing, don't ask for nothing.

Speaker 1:
[33:35] No.

Speaker 2:
[33:36] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[33:37] Oh, they let you know before you walk in, Joe.

Speaker 2:
[33:39] There you go.

Speaker 3:
[33:39] Hey, we had, back in the day, I remember on 54th Street, we had a place that's called Zairs. You remember Zairs? Yeah. Man, it's super old. Before we go in here, don't touch nothing and don't ask me for nothing. Before we walk in, she stopped at the door and let me know.

Speaker 2:
[33:57] Yeah. So as soon as you get by something you like, you just stare at it so she can see you staring at it.

Speaker 1:
[34:06] See, Barty Porter, you had to have a memory. You had to be like an elephant. People say, well, man, how do you remember all that? Because Barty Porter told you something one time. Forget it if you want to.

Speaker 2:
[34:14] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[34:15] You were heavy handed. I pushed the buggy. I ain't no, you know, I'm pushing it. I can barely see over the buggy. I'm pushing the buggy. Man, I ran that buggy on the back of Granny Hills. Ooh.

Speaker 3:
[34:29] She reached back and hit you.

Speaker 1:
[34:29] There's the mouth, whop.

Speaker 3:
[34:31] Yeah. I remember that. I remember them days.

Speaker 1:
[34:34] You stop. You ain't gonna see it or that you stop it.

Speaker 3:
[34:38] Hey, hey, when you that young unc and Joe, you have no self-awareness. No. You have no self-awareness. When someone's stopping in front of you, obviously you gotta stop the buggy. You ain't even paying attention.

Speaker 2:
[34:48] You just pushing. Nah, that's it. Hell no.

Speaker 1:
[34:50] But we, I don't even know why we down the aisle. We all gonna get something. You wasn't going shopping until Granny got paid. So you getting hot dogs, you get some donuts, you get some chicken, you gonna get some rice. You ain't about to have full of things you gonna get. She gonna go up there, she ain't gonna pay for it, she gonna put it on credit or she might put half of it so the grocery bill might be $25. She gonna put 10, 15 on credit and she gonna get, hey, go in there cause she had a money and a handkerchief. You know, old people just keep their money in a handkerchief. All crumbled up, she ain't probably got but 13, $14. She gonna give them the $10. She gonna keep, ask for some change cause she gonna give me a spanking picture sent cause they gonna pass the plate around twice on Sunday and we put a quarter in each time. At church.

Speaker 3:
[35:40] A quarter?

Speaker 1:
[35:41] What the hell you think we gonna, Bert, look here. He think he get 10%, I had nothing. So 10% of nothing would have been nothing.

Speaker 3:
[35:49] Hey, hey, you know what you always said now, you know, God don't like no noise, man.

Speaker 1:
[35:54] Well, Barty Mary had no paper.

Speaker 2:
[35:58] Hey, I know that feeling, boy. Hey, look, yeah, hey, grandma gonna make sure you got some money. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[36:04] Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2:
[36:06] You go to pump faking, you want to act like you put something down up in there and you just keep it in your hand. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[36:11] Sometimes I saw some dollars and I want to take something out. I said, Lord, you.

Speaker 2:
[36:16] Hey, you gotta be a savage to do that in church, bro.

Speaker 1:
[36:18] Yeah, cause he look, but there have been times I didn't want to put that 50 cent in there. You know what I could have done with 50 cent back in the day? Milk was a nickel of carton. Remember they had them little milk? They had chocolate, they had white milk and chocolate milk. They was a nickel.

Speaker 2:
[36:32] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[36:34] I got 50 cent?

Speaker 2:
[36:37] Oh yeah, you ballin.

Speaker 1:
[36:38] Man, please.

Speaker 3:
[36:40] Well, you know how much 50 cent was back then for a little kid as a shorty? Man, you felt like you was on top of the world.

Speaker 1:
[36:45] I remember when a can of Coke was a quarter. A 12 ounce can of Coke was a quarter. A honey bun was a quarter. A bag of chips was a quarter. I remember all that. There was penny candy. You get 25 pieces of candy for 25 cents. You get 25, you get them little cookies for 25 cents. Or you get like 10 of those big flywheel cookies. Yeah, I absolutely remember what it was like. Hell, I remember when cigarettes was like 35, 40 cents a pack. Now they damn near $8, $9 a pack. People used to say, man, if cigarettes ever go to 75 cents, I'm done smoking. Now they ain't go to 75, they went to a dollar. Boy, if they go to a dollar, then your uncle done. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3:
[37:30] I remember them days where the prices of stuff used to be so simple. Hey, Joe, y'all had the Candy Lady house out there where you from, Joe?

Speaker 2:
[37:38] Man, we had a dude on the Ocona store. Ocho, you go in there and get them little debit snacks. You go in there with a dollar for it. What you know about him? Boy, them debit snacks, oh, them star crunches.

Speaker 3:
[37:51] Hey, at the Candy Lady house, frozen cups were nothing but a quarter.

Speaker 2:
[37:54] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[37:55] Grape frozen cup, watermelon frozen cup, fruit punch frozen cup.

Speaker 1:
[37:59] Sister Tillman, they was a dad.

Speaker 3:
[38:00] And they had little strawberry cookies.

Speaker 1:
[38:01] Sister Tillman, she had two boys, she had two sons, James and John. And they sold, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[38:09] Oh, them some good days.

Speaker 1:
[38:10] Yeah. But see, that's why he got no patience. Now, Granny had more patience than Papa. Papa had zero patience, zero.

Speaker 2:
[38:20] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[38:21] He just expected, he just ain't teaching nothing. I mean, and Libby, Libby was the oldest. He believed Libby hung the moon. If you told him my sister didn't hang the moon, you probably had to fight it. Libby wrote the checks, Libby signed his name for the report cards. Libby did anything that needed to be done. Yeah. Everything, Libby did it. Cause Libby was the oldest girl, I mean, he trusted Libby and all my uncles the same way. Thurnell, James, BJ, Thurman, all of them. They needed something. Libby, read this, tell me what to say. Cause she understand she had patience. Me, I like it. Y'all ready? But she got patience. Libby got, of all of me, us three, she's by far the most patient. Then comes Spankin. Y'all already know I ain't got none. I ain't even been holding. I ain't been holding. I ain't been holding. None. We got some updates, Ocho. Joe, Luka and Austin Reaves from Shams. Lakers are not expecting Luka to return in round one. Reaves is further along in his rehab than Luka is. Reaves has started one-on-one on court work and needs to go through 303 and 505. Reaves is tracking to return late in the first round or early second round if the Lakers are to advance. Despite KD's return, the shorthanded Lakers outlasted the Rockets last night, one-on-one 94, stunning 2-0 lead in the first round. Goat James, 28 points, eight rebounds, seven to six. Y'all saw your boy, you saw your boy, Coraside Joe.

Speaker 2:
[40:02] Hey, I see, I see y'all there doing your one-two-oh.

Speaker 3:
[40:06] You know, I see, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[40:07] You had a good time, you had a good time. You know, they was like, hey, Unc, Unc, where you been, man? We miss you. Yeah, they say, you know, you the good luck, Chaw.

Speaker 3:
[40:14] Did they ask you about me? Did they ask you about me, Unc?

Speaker 2:
[40:18] Hell no.

Speaker 1:
[40:19] No, they say, man, why Ochoc, why Ochoc do Joe like that?

Speaker 2:
[40:22] Oh man.

Speaker 1:
[40:24] They way, I mean, that's way out there in Southern California. Ask him why you do that, man. The whole world.

Speaker 2:
[40:29] The whole world know.

Speaker 3:
[40:31] You know we famous now, so you know the word travel.

Speaker 2:
[40:36] Hey, hey, hey, I like what I seen from the Lakers.

Speaker 1:
[40:39] Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:
[40:40] Hey. I'm going to tell you who, they giving them credit, but they ain't giving them enough credit, if you ask me, and that's Marcus Smart.

Speaker 1:
[40:47] What's the job he doing, okay G?

Speaker 2:
[40:48] Marcus, KD, I think, I know they throwing the double teammate, KD, but the times that he do get matched up with him one-on-one, he wins more than he lose.

Speaker 1:
[41:00] Absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[41:01] You know what I mean? He is a great defender, bro. He's shorter than KD, but he got long arms, you know what I mean? He has great anticipation, skills, and I think, even think back through the regular season when the Lakers played the Rockets, they've got the better of them with this strategic defensive mechanism that they're doing against them. That's trapping KD, making him a passer, making him a willing passer, because they don't believe none of them other guys.

Speaker 1:
[41:31] As of right now, they haven't been able to. Reed Shepard can't get minutes. The other guys are not great enough shooters. At some point in time, they're going to have to move the ball, because it's like KD had it going and then everybody else want to get involved too. Well, let me get mine, let me get mine, let me get mine. It plays right into the Lakers' hands, because they ain't got nobody cutting, they ain't got nobody diving to the brim. Everybody's standing, I mean, hell, they standing. I'm like, do any of y'all want to move? I mean, y'all blocking my view, but I appreciate y'all standing right here, because there ain't nobody cutting towards the rim. The thing is that they got KD so far out, he's not a threat, but ain't nobody else moving. When he turns his back, Marcus Mark getting the ball, or that's why he had nine turnovers. You go back and look at a lot of his games, he had seven turnovers when he played Lakers. He had six turnovers, because they're forcing him to be a passer. That's not what he is. He's a scorer, an elite. One of the greatest of all time. Man, watching him last night, and just watch how he effortless. I'm like, man, that's ridiculous. It don't matter what age. They trying to cover that shame baddie and put your hand over his eyes, I think he shoot with his eye closed and it don't even matter. Joe, oh Joe, he get to that spot?

Speaker 2:
[42:51] There's a rap, he pull up, it's a rap.

Speaker 3:
[42:53] Especially once he go up.

Speaker 2:
[42:55] Hey, but you look at the Lakers game plan, I like they game plan, Ocho, meaning they got him thinking so much now because he want to get into his bag, but he knows as soon as he go to getting into it, it's another defender coming. So now it's kind of got him on rhythm. That's why you see him with nine turnovers because he second guesses himself a lot when he goes into his move because it's natural for him now because every time I go into my move, it's another dude coming to trap. They're making him a willing passer. I ain't saying KD is selfish, but that's really not his game. You feel me? They don't got guys on the team to where, you can't play Bruin like that because they got other guys he can kick to, they can play Ruiz shooting historically from the three, Luke Canard playing.

Speaker 1:
[43:43] Luke Canard playing out of his damn mind. I ain't never seen Luke Canard, and I've watched Luke Canard, I remember him when he was at Duke. Joe, Ocho, I've never seen this guy put the ball on the floor more and attack like he is right now. You can run him off the three if you want to. He'll put the ball on the floor and he'll get all the way to the rim or he'll stop and pop the mid-range.

Speaker 2:
[44:06] Hey, listen, when I hear him talk, man, it's preparation meeting opportunity. You know, you got two of your best scores out, two of your best ball handlers and now it's an opportunity for somebody on that team to step up and be a big playmaker, scorer, what have you. And bro, he answered the bell both games. Like, man, I'm talking about, now he ain't just been to playoffs though, he been balling since he got here.

Speaker 1:
[44:31] Since he came, boy Atlanta, I don't know what y'all was thinking. Y'all gave us Luke Canardi, y'all took Gabe Vincent. Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[44:42] It wasn't going to work like that over here. Come on, it wasn't going to work like that over here.

Speaker 1:
[44:45] That's okay, just the mere fact that y'all wanted it. That's all, I don't give a damn how it was going to work. Y'all wanted it.

Speaker 2:
[44:51] Gabe Vincent, he going to help us win these games. Do what? He going to help us win some playoff game. Like my guy DJ say, hey, hey, hey, Ocho, he feeling good about them Lakers, ain't he, man?

Speaker 3:
[45:04] Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, hey, listen, hey, he had his feet on the wood, too, so you know he feeling good.

Speaker 2:
[45:10] I already know it.

Speaker 3:
[45:11] And also, you know what? We expect this from him, you know? He's showing how versatile he is. LeBron, man, listen, being able to defer and allow Austin Reaves and Luka to do what they did all season long, and based on circumstance now, let me show y'all I can still lead a team even at 41 years old. Let me show you my IQ where I can always be two or three steps ahead of everybody else, depending on what you want to do. Either I can serve myself early or I can facilitate and let everybody else get in rhythm, and then pick and choose when I want to insert myself in game. That guy in LeBron, the special boy. So honestly, to this point, I'm confused how people can still have negative things to say where you have to nitpick on someone who's had as much success as he's had, not in his prime, but still having at 41 years old.

Speaker 1:
[46:06] Because it's easy.

Speaker 2:
[46:07] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[46:09] It's easy. It's much easier to hate than appreciate someone.

Speaker 3:
[46:15] They won't appreciate till they go on though.

Speaker 1:
[46:16] I just go to show you, if LeBron James was on a team and he was the number one option, this is what he'd be doing. If he, think about it.

Speaker 2:
[46:25] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[46:26] He gave you 20, 27 and six as a third option. Imagine if he's the first option or even the second option. Because remember last year, the second option, he gave you 24. He gave you 24. He gave you 24.9, seven and seven, or 24, eight and seven as the number two option. So just imagine if he's the number one option, he still could do it.

Speaker 2:
[46:51] Yeah. He's still consistently, his productivity is great. I think he really relished in this moment, Unc and Ocho.

Speaker 1:
[47:04] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[47:05] Meaning that they were an underdog coming into this series, everybody talking about they ain't have a chance. Like him coming out, playing the way he's been playing, you know, asserting himself, taking the initiative to, you know, try and sit in that chair and guard and play, make and score. Hey man, I've been impressed, bro. I've been impressed. I want to see them go down to Houston, see if they can take care of business.

Speaker 1:
[47:28] And the thing, Joe, what are you talking about? I don't care about no 8 for 20. 14 free throw, Tim. Let me know what. He aggressive.

Speaker 2:
[47:37] There you go. There you go. Putting pressure on the Rockets to be able to try and stop him. If not that, it's different when you say LeBron or William Pass, I think passing is a great attribute of his. And he does it better than anybody, Uncle Ocho. And if guys are making shots, then it just makes them look good. You feel what I'm saying? It's just when they're not making shots, now we like, all right, man, you got to score the ball. But I think he does a great job, man, in figuring those guys out, making plays for everybody. And still at this big age, 41, bro, still being effective the way he is. Cause I'm going to be honest, they don't got nobody who can guard him. Houston don't.

Speaker 1:
[48:20] They got nobody with no bricks in their back pocket. They got lengths, but they don't have the size, the weight. Cause he go back, hey, he go back and down and say, okay, y'all not gonna come to the double team? I say, take your time. And you watch, he looking around, the double team ain't coming. He looking around, he steady going, hey, he going to the left, he come, hey, beep, beep, beep, beep. You can't stop that.

Speaker 2:
[48:46] Nah, it's gonna be told to stop there. But boy, listen, if they just so happen, be able to get up out of this round and Luka and them come back, against OKC, I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 1:
[49:02] But the difference is, is that if you noticed yesterday, LeBron had the ball in his hand because LeBron can control the game. He not gonna let you get up and down.

Speaker 2:
[49:12] No, sir. No.

Speaker 1:
[49:13] It ain't gonna be no quick shots. He got to control the game. Hey, even if Marcus Mark or Kanar bring the ball up, go ahead and take it up. Slow it down. We got time. Let's not get into an up and down. We don't need to get into an up and down.

Speaker 2:
[49:36] But yeah, I think he do a great job of that. Basically, just playing point guard. If you got, hey listen, if Marcus Mark gonna give you a fish and 25 points, you ain't got, hey, they probably gonna win every game if he gonna play like that.

Speaker 1:
[49:49] If Luka and Marcus Mark, because you remember Luka and Kanar had 27.

Speaker 2:
[49:55] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[49:58] Marcus Mark playing on both.

Speaker 1:
[49:59] They had 23 last night because LeBron had 28, I think. But I think the thing is what's most impressive is that the job that Marcus Mark and that defense did on KD in the second half, they only held them to three points. And he got two of the three with about a minute and a half to go in the ballgame.

Speaker 2:
[50:17] Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Marcus Mark has been, I think, one of the biggest keys for the Lakers, especially defensively. But man, they whole team be on a string, Ocho, when they go for that double team on KD, you got to see how guys rotate. Because when you rotate just for a split second, somebody got to take two guys for a split second until you come up out of that. And once you know that, bro, and the way they're able to make it effective, it's like they're making Houston take rush shots, take shots that they normally don't take. You got guys trying to go into their bag. I don't even know they had a bag. You feel what I'm saying? So now you got guys playing out of character.

Speaker 3:
[50:58] Yeah. All it is, is gonna have to speed up KD and his thinking process. That's all. You speed it up. Once you get that ball, instead of going into your bag, be able to know what's coming before it even come. Already know where your outlet is, understanding that the trap is coming. I mean, that's the only way to beat it. Now, I could be wrong. Joe, what you think?

Speaker 2:
[51:19] Man, that's the problem with not having a lead guard, because listen, once he give it up, he know that damn ball ain't coming back to him. Right, so he ain't gonna get many spot up shots. All his shots, yeah, he got hot early, but you see how hard he gotta work to get a shot? You feel what I'm saying? Like, he gotta go through Marcus Smart, who been physical, and then he know when to finesse him. You feel what I'm saying? So yeah, he might get a couple easy ones, but for the most part, he working so hard for every shot that he get, Unc and Ocho.

Speaker 1:
[51:48] We'll come back to this. We got a very special guest joining us here.