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Speaker 1:
[00:02] Folks, I don't even know what day it is, but welcome to So Bad It's Good. This is your pal Ryan. I'm being told that it's Thursday, and it's Summer House Thursday, baby. We are recapping this week's episode, and of course, going in to Watch What Happens Live with Jesse Solomon. Now, Rebecca, baby mama Rebecca is back on the show today. Now, she wants to apologize right off the top. She's now told me 20 times that she doesn't think she did good, which is funny, because I'm the one that's used to saying, I don't think I do good, but together, we are just a magical team. We are really going on such a little sleep, but I thought it was a fantastic, really fun episode. So I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did, but it's just always, I'm just glad. It's just great to have Rebecca back on the podcast. But we finished this up, and it was so nice. My dad and my sister watched Roamy while we were podcasting. And then we finished, and we got some huge breaking news. And we're going to talk about that. And one other thing, man, this Summer House News does not quit. Now, I believe the Summer House Reunion is filming today. So, t'was the night before the Summer House Reunion and all through the Summer House, not a creature was stirring, only West and Amanda trying to get their timeline straight, going over every Reddit thread, demois, and every TikTok known to man. I have a feeling they're gonna be tripped up on a lot of questions tomorrow. I'm sure we will expect leaks, and I will have those for you on Friday's episode when we do the Valley Recap. Also, we have Jasmine from the Valley. You'll hear her on Friday as well. So yeah, anyways, how are you doing? I'm barely hanging on, man. My dad and my sister are in town. I've got no sleep, and I'm just going on caffeine and vibes right now, you guys. It's a dangerous combination, but I hope you are doing great. If you're not, hang in there. Tomorrow is a new day, okay? So we finished this podcast, and I looked down at my phone, and Medica had texted me with big news. Now, ABC and Hulu did this big event, and they made like 30 announcements. We're going to talk more about those announcements on Friday's episode because there's a lot of good stuff to explore with their announcement. Tons of good stuff. But the main thing that they announced that really got me excited, and we did kind of predict this, if you go back about a month ago on this show, is that Dancing with the Stars, and Rebecca and I got super into Dancing with the Stars. We're new converts to Dancing with the Stars. We were recapping all last season. Dancing with the Stars reveals its first two cast members. We have Trader star Maura Higgins. I think I will, I think I'll be on Dancing with the Stars. Season 35, but the big one, you guys, Summer House's Ciara Miller will be on Season 35. Now, she wasn't there at this Hulu event to say like, hey, but she did a video saying like, I'm preparing for something big, which is obviously the reunion, but she will be on Season 35. She was glowing. She looked happy. And this is what happens, man. This could have been Amanda Batula's narrative. And instead, it is Ciara's and it's kind of glorious. So anyways, yeah, Ciara will be a part of this next season. Now, usually these seasons start airing in September, they start prepping in August, but I would imagine she'd already start taking dance classes. We don't know who she's going to be paired up with. It better not be that Gleb. Now, I'm hoping for Yawn. You know how much I love that newcomer Yawn. So I'm hoping it's Yawn, but she'll be with Maura Higgins. I think they'll be best friends by the end of this season. And they've both been on the Traders. So that's great. But I couldn't be happier. This is just great news. But it does make me worried about the future of Summer House. Now, Rebecca and I already talk about the future of Summer House in this episode because you have to speculate what's happening. You know, they're going to go into this reunion. I think a lot of it's to be determined. If you've listened to this show, you know that the lease that they have on the Summer House that they use is gone. They cannot use that house this summer. So they have to find a new Summer House. But what are they going to do? Where are they going to go? Who's going to be in the cast? And now Us Weekly, which we've talked about a couple of times for articles this week, especially because they seemed like to have a person that was commenting on behalf of Ciara. And it seemed a little wonky to me, right? But this is an Us Weekly headline from today and it says, Summer House producers are exploring new options, spinoff ideas after the Amanda and Wes scandal. And this article says, The next season of Summer House will not be in the original house, a source exclusively tells Us Weekly, revealing that the producers are exploring new options for possibly more than one show. My God, just bring back Summer House Martha's Vineyard for the love of God. But we already knew, if you listen to this show, that we can't use this house any longer. The insider reveals that the powers at B, the powers at B have talked about a different location, making it a spinoff show and possibly a new cast. According to the source, original cast members like Kyle Cook, Amanda and Lindsay Hubbard will be focusing on In the City show moving forward. I think this is a huge mistake. Now, I knew this was already kind of speculated that that's what was gonna happen, but I'm sorry. I think it is a huge, you gotta have Kyle Cook. Kyle Cook deserves a Amanda free season in that Summer House. Just imagine the mess that this guy will be. We do make some jokes in the Rebecca portion about this as well, but that saddens me. Yeah, Amanda, I mean, listen, I would love to see Lindsay visit every now and then as well, like she does this season. But Kyle, I think should be there every flipping week. That guy belongs in that Summer House. In the city, which will also include Summer House alums, Danielle Oliveira and Andrea Denver, is set to premiere on Tuesday, May 19th, which is the finale of Summer House. So we have a month, a little less than a month and a week until we even get our hands on this reunion. So it is unclear whether Ciara will return to Summer House in any capacity, the source explains. She has to make a decision and has discussed exiting and focusing on other projects like former co-star and close friend Paige DeSorvo. Now, I have it from an inside source. She has been meeting with Bravo about spin-offs and her future at Bravo. I've known that now for a couple of weeks. I think this doesn't have to have an insider information here, but I think anybody... Bravo is smart, man. They're not dumb. Ciara, she's gold. I think she was gold even before this, but now she's a big pot of gold right now. I think they will do a lot to keep her within the Bravo family. She'll always be a part of the NBC Universal family, which obviously owns Bravo, but I think Bravo is going to want to keep her. So I think that a spinoff is probably being discussed. There's a lot of options and I think that's the issue. Now with the Dancing with the Stars wrinkle, obviously Bravo was aware that she was doing this, but Summer House usually films around that first weekend in July and then it ends at the end of August. Usually they start prepping for Dancing with the Stars in August. Now, it would be a lot of work to go back and forth for that August or you could just have your dance instructor as part of the Summer House cast. That might be a lot of fun, but I don't like change, you guys. I think Ciara needs to stay in some form. They need to make it work and I have a feeling Bravo will make it work for her. Now Paige was a whole different, it's a whole different ball of wax. She had Giggly Squash, she had all of these things. Ciara has all of these things as well, but they are in the reality show format as such so far. She's doing those red carpet interviews, which is great. But primarily, it's now reality competitions, if you count Traders and now Dancing with the Stars, and Summer House or Winter House. So it will be very exciting. But like we said a couple of weeks ago when this broke, the world is her oyster. It's not even about PR at this point. Her management is getting her the best opportunities, and I knew they would because that phone has to be ringing off the hook for Ciara at this point. So it says, however, as fans know, sorry, it's just kind of, I love these articles where they now just like fill space by telling you everything that you already know. Oh yeah, this was the weird quote from Us Weekly that we read earlier this week. If it's just a fling, she isn't going to forgive them and believes it will all be for nothing and not worth all the pain and emotions that everyone has gone through, the source told us. Either way, Ciara will not be friends with Amanda or trust her again. And I was like, who did Ciara give permission to say that at all? It doesn't sound like Ciara at all. So yeah, that's the big breaking news. But man, I had a huge smile on my face. They've only announced those two cast members. Word on the street is that Rob Rauch will be joining Dancing with the Stars this season as well. But I'm sure we will get that announcement closer too, but they usually tease it with just two cast members. But I can't wait to talk to you about all those other things that were announced at the Hulu event today because man, they are carpet bombing their streaming service and ABC with reality shows. And I'm like, listen, Bravo does it best. Still in my book, Bravo is number one, but they are making a run for it, man. ABC and Hulu are putting a lot of money. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. The new season has picked back up cameras, but they are not including Taylor, Frankie, Paul and Dakota Mortenson. And then a Secret Lives of Mormon Wives spinoff was announced, I believe for the OC, the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives OC. But it doesn't seem like most of the cast are even Mormon. And I'm like, wait, isn't that the if you call it the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, shouldn't they all like legally required by law be Mormon? We just call it the Secret Lives of Wives. That doesn't make sense. Anyways, that's the breaking news. I'm sure 10 more things will break after I hit pause on this recording right now. But you guys will take our first commercial break right now. We'll take one more during the recap. It's a very long conversation. And like I said, take it easy on Rebecca. I had the best time as always with her and I think you will too. But she was like, oh, I just I wasn't warmed up. I need to, she's in full mother mode. And it's, you know, anyways, we'll talk more about that at another point. But anyways, have the best Thursday ever. I hope you enjoy this. If you got, oh, wait, you got, oh my God, I forgot. Oh, Sophie Ross, our pal Sophie Ross sent me the most diabolical. She asked permission first to send it. She sent me Wes Wilson's nudes. Yeah, maybe that's why I feel really out of sorts right now. I feel really just exhausted. Maybe it's because I saw those nudes. And I got to tell you, I thought we'd be dealing with something more, more substantial. Allegedly, allegedly. Okay, you guys. Well, that was a great way to end it. I'll talk more about that later. Or maybe there's not a lot to talk about. Who knows? Have a great Thursday and here we go. Damn it. I knew there was one more thing I forgot to talk about. Yes, Mia Elario and Tom Schwartz are on Watch What Happens Live tonight. Our timeline question gets deeper and more mysterious because Mia dropped some knowledge tonight. Now, she was on So Bad It's Good a couple of weeks ago and she talked about her date with Wes Wilson in September. You can go back to that episode. Medica made a clip of it. You can find it on the Instagram. She, Mia, by the way, of Southern Hospitality. Awesome. So cool. But anyway, she dropped a little more knowledge tonight on Watch What Happens Live. Now, she said that obviously her and West hooked up this past fall and that Amanda approached her at BravoCon. Now, BravoCon was in November and told her that her and Wes Wilson pre-gamed before their date. Was like, oh yeah, I was pre-gaming with West before your date with him. And then Amanda and Wes had gotten together. They drank before and then he went to meet up with Mia. And Mia at the time was like, huh, well, that's nice friend, right? And now she is thinking about the situation in a whole different light. Like they potentially were hooking up with the same guy that night. Who knows? But Andy on Watch What Happens Live was like, when was this exactly? And she was like, oh, when was BravoCon? When was BravoCon? Oh, November. And she's like, and when was your date with Wes? September? And he was like, oh, okay. We were thinking about timeline and you are now a part of this. So that is new information that Amanda was hanging out with Wes, pre-gaming, drinking with him, just the two of them before his date with Mia. And that's September. They in filming of Summer House at the end of August. And then Wes and Amanda were hanging out together alone in September. 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Speaker 1:
[15:49] Folks, welcome to an all new So Bad It's Good. This is your pal Ryan and this is your Thursday episode. We are doing a Summer House episode and if you're watching on YouTube, you'll notice that I am in bed right now and that is because we have our very one and only just mama Rebecca, not baby mama. I guess you are still baby mama.

Speaker 4:
[16:08] Yeah, I'm still baby mama forever.

Speaker 1:
[16:10] Forever. She is here. To recap this week's Summer House, it's been a minute since you've been on the main feed.

Speaker 4:
[16:17] It's true.

Speaker 1:
[16:18] And really, I mean, just by the way, you're doing amazing. We're not going to get into all the baby stuff, which she's the love of our life. Obviously, we do want to let you know my dad and my sister are here. So they have Romy, they're upstairs, and we're using our free time to podcast about Summer House, which Rebecca is thrilled about.

Speaker 4:
[16:37] Oh my God, I miss her though.

Speaker 1:
[16:39] It is, she's away from Romy for more than 20 minutes. It gets weird. And I miss her obviously as well. I do want to let you know, Rebecca just made me change my shirt because Romy really hit me with a bunch of spit up, just projectile vomited milk onto me. And I was going to wear the same shirt because I don't care. I mean, listen.

Speaker 4:
[17:02] Ryan's disgusting, guys.

Speaker 1:
[17:03] I am disgusting.

Speaker 4:
[17:04] Truly vile gross.

Speaker 1:
[17:06] I started this as an audio podcast. I never thought there would be a video element to it.

Speaker 4:
[17:10] I know. That's what was so nice about podcasting in the beginning. You could just like do whatever you wanted. You could like smoke a cigarette if you wanted. No one knew. Now.

Speaker 5:
[17:17] Who was smoking cigarettes during podcasting?

Speaker 4:
[17:19] You know how I want cigarettes. I still haven't had my cigarettes, but it is going to come at some point. My friend, when I delivered, gave me cigarettes.

Speaker 1:
[17:28] Yeah. You haven't opened them yet.

Speaker 4:
[17:29] But I have not opened them yet. But I do want to. They're in the bed because I broke my ass. Now, I didn't actually break my tailbone. I did go in for x-ray because I thought when I gave birth, I broke my tailbone because I've been in so much pain the last five weeks. But I haven't broken it. I guess I just bruised it. Who knew that was part of giving birth girls? Like, I had no idea. It's fucked up.

Speaker 1:
[17:55] So we're doing this in bed to make sure Rebecca is-

Speaker 4:
[17:57] I can't sit on a chair.

Speaker 1:
[17:59] Yeah. So we're doing this to make sure she's comfortable as possible. So we are bed casting today. And by the way, we're not talking about The Valley because if we were, we would talk about how I've been trying to pressure sex on Rebecca just like Luke and Danny Bookow, right?

Speaker 4:
[18:14] Yeah. Ryan's not like that. I'm not.

Speaker 1:
[18:18] We do watch that in horror every week though, The Valley. But we're not going to talk about The Valley because obviously we have Bigger Fish to Fry and that is Summer House. Now today, as you're listening to this, they are filming the reunion. We will talk about it at the end of this recap, Jesse Solomon on Watch What Happens Live, which looked like a shell of a man. Shell of a man, but you also thought he looked pretty good.

Speaker 4:
[18:40] Whatever he's doing, I think he got a little botox or something, maybe a little microderm.

Speaker 1:
[18:45] A little reunion botox.

Speaker 4:
[18:46] He looked great, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[18:48] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[18:48] Do you think he fucked Christine Cavallari afterwards?

Speaker 1:
[18:51] Well, because she did.

Speaker 4:
[18:52] He seemed so sad, though, that maybe that wasn't going to happen.

Speaker 1:
[18:55] Oh, give me a break. I bet he did slide into her DMs last night after they recorded that. But Jesse, it does seem the timeline is very fluid in regards to when Amanda and Wes happened. I do want to also talk to the people out there that don't see, that I got, I think, one DM. I mean, everybody's pretty much on board. But if you're not on board, there are plenty of other episodes to listen to. We're a little bit in a Summer House vortex right now.

Speaker 4:
[19:25] You had someone that was like, I don't want to hear about it.

Speaker 1:
[19:27] Or no, just like, how dare you talk that way about Amanda? And I'm like, guys, I'm sorry. I've tried to be as understanding as possible. The deeper we get into this, it gets a little more devious. It does seem a little pre-planned in some ways. But Rebecca will.

Speaker 4:
[19:43] What?

Speaker 1:
[19:44] I mean, you are sympathetic in certain ways to Amanda.

Speaker 4:
[19:49] No, not really. But I was looking at the timeline last night. First of all, it feels like so much has happened. I guess we've gone through a lot. You and I personally have gone through a lot in the last month. So it feels like time is ever-changing. But I forgot that January 20th, they announced the split, Kyle and Amanda.

Speaker 1:
[20:11] Kyle and Amanda, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[20:13] So then February 3rd, Amanda and Ciara were on Watch What Happens Live. Then February 8th, Ryan hangs out with Wes Wilson.

Speaker 1:
[20:24] Kyle, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[20:25] For the Super Bowl. So they were already slamming then.

Speaker 1:
[20:29] Yeah, but-

Speaker 4:
[20:30] But here's my question. Do you think that she was hooking up with Wes before January and that's why she wanted to put that statement out so fast and they would have probably put it out later?

Speaker 1:
[20:42] Somebody here doesn't listen to the show, you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 4:
[20:44] Is that what she said?

Speaker 1:
[20:45] No, I have now on board with the theory that I think they were hooking up at some point during the summer, if not in June before they started filming. I don't think it was serious though, I thought it was a little slap and tickle, you know, like a little just...

Speaker 4:
[20:59] I don't think they were hooking up, hooking up, like I don't think penis and vagina hooking up, but I think they were definitely like making out. Like I think like during the Summer House...

Speaker 1:
[21:08] I think the opportunity arose.

Speaker 4:
[21:10] They were like doing a little things here and there. And can you imagine the sexual tension that that must have been in that house for the two of them? And how like, you know, like just being deviant in that way and how you can get off so hard on that? Like, not that that's good, but I'm just saying like... No, obviously, they must have been so intense.

Speaker 1:
[21:30] For the time before any of us knew it, they really thought they were king shit. They probably were getting off on this. Oh, of course they were. I don't think we will ever find out what the true timeline is. But even on Watch What Happens Live last night, Jesse Solomon kept going, late February, I got to tell you late February. So obviously, he has been told probably like suggested what to say. Even though he kept saying, we had our suspicions, Ciara and I had our suspicions, there was a lot of flirting going on. So, and by the way, Jesse is, I think he's probably got a professorial degree in suspicion. Like this guy keeps track of who's flirting with who at all times, because he's always-

Speaker 4:
[22:09] Because he's like, it should have been me.

Speaker 1:
[22:10] Yes, he's always trying to get in there. Which by the way, he probably has a song called, should have been me, should have been me. So-

Speaker 4:
[22:19] Are people gonna go see Jesse live?

Speaker 1:
[22:21] Yeah, I am.

Speaker 4:
[22:21] I know Ryan's gonna go. If you're gonna be in LA, go to the troubadour, you can sing with Ryan.

Speaker 1:
[22:26] Yeah, by the way, one grown man just sobbing. Jesse. I know it's like weird because there's a weird Al Yankovic quality with Jesse. Like I do, the thing with anybody that tries this, it does reality star, you know, it's like, you know, you gotta get past all of the hate and all the people making fun of you. And if you can kind of withstand that, eventually people will come around. But it is kind of weirdly ballsy to actually do a full tour. And he even said many times on other shows, he's losing a lot, he's gonna be losing a lot of money on this tour. But don't feel bad. I think he comes from a well off family.

Speaker 4:
[23:01] But I don't know about that well. I mean, I can't imagine how much it is.

Speaker 1:
[23:05] Yeah, well, I mean, just ride the wave. I hope he has some sort of shirt referencing the scandal, because I think that would be a big seller on tour. But I do think we're going to find out, not that it started before Summer House, because I don't think they will ever admit to that. But just remember, Wes said it started on his podcast on Monday. He said, it got serious.

Speaker 4:
[23:27] What does that mean?

Speaker 1:
[23:28] It got serious at this certain point. But I'm like, you don't just automatically one day go, oh, it's serious now. You lead up to that. So it had to have been fun before it was serious. And I do wonder why they released that statement, because I'm thinking they were presenting information potentially going, you guys come out with it, or you're getting busted directly at the reunion, because that was Ciara's initial plan, she said, according to a couple of people. So I do...

Speaker 4:
[23:54] I hope Ciara gets mad at the reunion. Like, I want to... She's too nice. I want to see her yell at them. Like, she deserves that. Like, that would be cathartic. It's important.

Speaker 1:
[24:05] Yeah. So, I mean, I think we'll find out a lot of things, obviously, at the reunion. We'll see how many leaks there are. But now we are kind of in this weird timeline, where obviously this is not Sandoval, but like I said, they're using WWHL exactly how they used it last time. In fact, Tom Schwartz is on WWHL tonight, and I bet, I will bet money that Andy asks him a question of like, did Schwartz, did you offer any advice to Jesse Solomon? Because you were Tom Sandoval's best friend.

Speaker 4:
[24:34] This is totally different than the Sandoval, I think, because these people are staying together, it seems, right?

Speaker 1:
[24:43] For now, have fun, you guys.

Speaker 4:
[24:45] No, but with Raquel, that was like, never the case.

Speaker 1:
[24:47] Well, I gave so much more credit to Amanda Batula than I ever did, the artist formerly known as Raquel Levis. You know, like, I thought Rachel was a dingbat. I did feel bad for her in that last season before I found out about Sandoval, because I thought she was being bullied by La La and Katie. But I never gave Raquel that much thought previously. She was like DJ James Kennedy's girlfriend. So I didn't really, but Amanda, like we said, we were talking about this last night, or it maybe was this morning when we were taking notes, was that, what are the joys in one of the heart, one of the insane things about the show is that we've invested 10 seasons into these people.

Speaker 4:
[25:24] Well, that's what I think is so interesting about Bravo and about why we're so invested in this is because it's long form reality television. We were talking about the fact that Kristen, shout out Kristen, love you so much.

Speaker 1:
[25:40] Dodie.

Speaker 4:
[25:41] Dodie did something similar in 2013 when she slept with Jax, who was her best friend's boyfriend.

Speaker 1:
[25:49] Because Dodie was with Sandoval at the time.

Speaker 4:
[25:50] Right. And Sandoval was best friends with Jax and she was best friends with Stassi, who was with Jax. But nobody really cared about that in the same way. And I thought it was because that was just second season. We weren't invested like we are now. Like these people, we feel like we know each other, you know?

Speaker 1:
[26:07] And also, I mean, thank God it wasn't 2013 or whenever this happened because, I mean, there was a backhand involved. Stassi backhanded the shit out of Christian Doty.

Speaker 4:
[26:16] Yeah, she knuckled her in the fucking face.

Speaker 1:
[26:18] And there's no way Ciara is going to do that. I mean, that's just not Bravo.

Speaker 4:
[26:20] That would be amazing.

Speaker 1:
[26:21] No, it's just, it's not Bravo any longer. You can't legitimately do that on Bravo without getting kicked off. 2013 was a different time, but we are parasocially invested over 10 seasons. And that's why it's interesting when I read comments of like, well, last night's episode was so boring. I'm like, I maybe, like maybe for you, but if we know the information we know now, I'll never know if it was actually a boring episode because now I'm looking for clues based on this new information that we got once after the season.

Speaker 4:
[26:50] And whoever's doing like the music supervision. Oh, they real, the cellos that were coming in, the violin.

Speaker 1:
[26:56] The scary violins.

Speaker 4:
[26:58] They had to have re-recorded that. It was amazing. I really liked that.

Speaker 1:
[27:02] It was like a horror film. It was like mid-summer. It was a daytime horror film. Listen, I will say there are other story lines in this episode that are interesting. We have Mia with the psychic. We have KJ and Dara. We have Ben and whatever his weird girlfriend's doing. I mean, there are other things to focus on. And yes, sadly, those are going to be overshadowed.

Speaker 4:
[27:22] But is that why it was quote unquote boring? Was because it was like Summer House, the new class?

Speaker 1:
[27:28] No, no, no. I think people just thought, because the episode got hyped up so much by everybody that watched The Screeners and Andy Cohen.

Speaker 4:
[27:35] Andy is a liar. Andy is always like, this is the most crazy.

Speaker 1:
[27:39] Wait, wait. We watched it. We were like, holy shit. Well, I mean, it opens immediately with a man of Attula going, I see you. I see you. I mean, that is, girl, please treat me like you're Stevie Wonder. I want you never to see me because if you see me, that means I will probably be dead within seven days. That is a horror show to open up on that sentence from Amanda Battula.

Speaker 4:
[28:02] Well, I was sad to see you posted something that they're going to do something different with Summer House next year, and I think that's a big mistake. Like, I think that all these, sometimes you need the quote unquote bad guys on the show still. Everyone always just wants to kick off the people that are doing morally corrupt faresnik shit, you know? Like, sometimes we gotta keep on the morally corrupt.

Speaker 1:
[28:22] We'll see how, I mean, it really will be dependent on the reunion, but at this point, they obviously have In the City starting on the night of the finale.

Speaker 4:
[28:29] I do want to stay at the Summer House.

Speaker 1:
[28:31] I do too.

Speaker 4:
[28:32] We can BRBO it, and we have to go to New York to visit my mom anyway.

Speaker 1:
[28:38] That's Roewe's college fund.

Speaker 4:
[28:40] Why don't we go out for two nights?

Speaker 1:
[28:42] I maybe could film a lot of content and maybe make a couple hundred bucks.

Speaker 4:
[28:47] Maybe we could have people come out and we could all party together or something.

Speaker 1:
[28:53] We can really send it. Cuts at 9.30 at night, we're in bed. Just imagine what that house smells like after Wes and his big fatty nipples are just hanging out. Which by the way, big episode for Rebecca because she loves checking out people's nips on the shows. Wes was just, his utters were out pretty much the entire episode.

Speaker 4:
[29:10] They're really something, right?

Speaker 1:
[29:12] Do you view his utters differently now that the scandal?

Speaker 4:
[29:16] No, I have the same.

Speaker 1:
[29:18] Okay. That's great to know.

Speaker 4:
[29:21] I don't have that bias. I can still see nips for what they are.

Speaker 1:
[29:28] It really will depend on the reunion, but I do think this is in when I try to really think about it. This is where I'm like, I always joke about wanting to be a producer. I'm glad I'm not. Because this truly is like a weird issue you would have to deal with. Because I think most of these people, they're like, how do you continue to party with Wes? And if he's with Amanda, then you're like, he's probably going to go out and flirt with people. Then what do you do?

Speaker 4:
[29:48] Then Kyle brings home Megan King Edmonds and stuff. Like that would be something, right?

Speaker 1:
[29:53] Well, and in the article, it said that Kyle and Lindsay will be moving on to In the City. That was never official. That was rumored and most likely. But at this point, I'm like, no, Kyle should be, Kyle needs that house.

Speaker 4:
[30:05] Definitely.

Speaker 1:
[30:06] Kyle needs to send it this summer above all summers.

Speaker 4:
[30:09] That's what I think too.

Speaker 1:
[30:10] Let him be sloppy. I want 10 Megan King Edmonds. I want there to be a different Bravo Liberty visiting the house each weekend that Kyle tries to make a move on.

Speaker 4:
[30:19] I mean, that's what he was like season one. Yes.

Speaker 1:
[30:22] Let's get him back to the beginning. You started this show one way, you end the same way. There is, I mean, how beautiful would that be? So I think you need Kyle this season above more. And what's interesting though is when we started this, just like we were talking about early Vanderpump rules, we are, especially Bravo viewers, we are more apt to talk about mental health. We are more apt to talk about feelings now more than ever and really try to understand things. And that's why I think a lot of people are shocked about this kind of emotional betrayal that happened for Ciara. So even if you put a younger group in there, Jesse and Wes were like kind of little pieces of gold they found, but it's really hard to find those kinds of people that are just partiers that you actually give a shit about. I think a lot of people, is that a compliment to the Youth of America?

Speaker 4:
[31:12] No, it's really, really hard to find people like that. You're right.

Speaker 1:
[31:15] I don't know. So anyways, there'll be plenty of detours as we talk about this. Also, I know I look like shit, you guys. It's been a, the first couple of weeks, it was really magical. It's starting to, it's getting harder a little bit in the best way. Do you not agree?

Speaker 4:
[31:33] No, she's an easy baby though.

Speaker 1:
[31:34] Very easy, but she's a little fussy. There's a lot of work. There's, you know, anyways. Um, okay, so.

Speaker 4:
[31:43] Sorry, she's not that bad.

Speaker 1:
[31:45] She's not bad at all.

Speaker 4:
[31:46] She cries and Ryan's like, something's wrong. Do you think she has colic? I'm like, she's crying for two minutes. She's fine.

Speaker 1:
[31:51] Anywho, she's a perfect baby.

Speaker 4:
[31:53] She is.

Speaker 1:
[31:53] It's not any, there's not, we're not giving her back. There's nothing like that. Um, okay, so this is episode 12. It's called Boys of Summer. Boys of Bummer. And the description the cable company gives us says, KJ and Dara make a surprising announcement. The announcement should be that Wes is cheating with Amanda, but it's not that. Mia confronts some hard truths about her relationship. Now, previously on Summer House, remember Ben, we met his girlfriend, Sabrina, his new, like the love of his life. Sabrina! And she's a very interesting style of dress. And she wears chokers, a lot of chokers, a lot of socks that are pulled up to the knees.

Speaker 4:
[32:30] She is a beautiful girl.

Speaker 1:
[32:31] She's never watched the show, wink, wink, wink. Never seen the show, but she seems to know everything about everybody.

Speaker 4:
[32:37] See, if I was going on the show like this, I would like pretend not to know anything. I'd be like, what's your name?

Speaker 1:
[32:43] That's what Sabrina owned. Well, Sabrina pretended like she didn't know anything, but also pretended she, but she also knew exactly about everything, about everybody. But she was like, no, I'm just intuitive. I'm just an empath. Dara and KJ in the preview from last week, remember on Saturday of the party, KJ said he didn't want to make, he didn't want to rush to make it official. He's been hurt in the past and he has a good thing going, he doesn't want to rush it, right? So keep that in mind. And then Wes was still hammered during the day. He invited a bunch of girls. Remember, we owe him thanks for having that party happen because he invited like 80 girls at the last minute. And he wound up with a girl sitting on his lap right next to Ciara and Ben. And remember, I want to point out Wes did see Ciara because he said, he said, that girl right next to me, I kind of used to date her. Well, it doesn't really matter. Let me finger you. You know, like he, well, that was kind of his attitude. And Ciara was right there and it was completely ridiculous. And then Amanda was very interested in who Wes was like, who's that girl that Wes is about to fuck? That's a direct quote. And then Amanda, Ciara and Mia are talking in the bedroom and Ciara is explaining, how can you be a friend to someone that doesn't even see you? And that's where we open. And it's Amanda Batula sitting cross-legged on a bed across from Ciara. Mia's on the left of Amanda. And she's like, you are seen, I see you. I see you and I see a big fat idiot. Now she goes, you are so loved, Ciara. You are so important. It started to feel like the help. You are special, you are important. And she goes, and you deserve so much more respect than you get. You truly do. And that line, I'm sorry, if you're saying that's not that bad, how, like, what Amanda and Wes did, no matter if it's like true love or not, which it isn't, they are playing in her face. They are showing her the least amount of respect for people that allegedly care about Ciara. That's why this episode is dark. Amanda calls it out, that Ciara is one of those people that never gets the respect from people that she deserves, including Amanda. And then they do a group hug where they fall all over each other, like this big lady hug. And then Ciara is like, I know. And Ciara is like, I gotta go shower. By the way, Amanda is wearing a big sweatshirt that says, Boys lie. And Mia says to Amanda, I feel so sad for her. And Amanda is like, fucking idiot in regards to West. And then she bends over and shakes her ass.

Speaker 4:
[35:13] Do you think she does that with West?

Speaker 1:
[35:14] Oh, I definitely do. Remember, remember last week when she walked away from West and that girl, she was like, try not to look at my ass when I walk away. When did Amanda get so ass centric? All of a sudden she's like, who's that guy that did that rap song? I don't want none unless it's got buns. Oh, Sir Mix-A-Lot. Amanda got back. Amanda don't got back. I'm sorry. I'm just going to say it. What's your take on Amanda's ass?

Speaker 4:
[35:38] I mean, I think that Amanda's getting a little something, something. So she's like, she's been reignited before she hasn't gotten laid in a long time. Like on the previews for next week, I think Jesse says they haven't had sex in years.

Speaker 1:
[35:53] I will say this, too.

Speaker 4:
[35:54] Do you think that's true?

Speaker 1:
[35:56] Well, I do think, you know, in fact, what other Bravo couple did we find? Oh, Carl and Lindsay. Remember Carl and Lindsay?

Speaker 4:
[36:02] Well, they were having sex like every six weeks.

Speaker 1:
[36:04] No, no, babe. It was way longer than that. No, way longer than that.

Speaker 4:
[36:09] Carl's not like a sexual guy to me. You know, Carl is the only like good guy on Bravo. But then I get worried saying that because all men are fucking pieces of shit.

Speaker 1:
[36:20] But there was a point of time where people really didn't like certain ways in Carl in which he treated Renzi.

Speaker 4:
[36:24] Well, because Carl was an alcoholic and a drug addict.

Speaker 1:
[36:29] And also, you're like, Carl's the perfect man because he got everybody McDonald's breakfast later in the episode. We'll get to that. Which by the way, did you know when you were sleeping this morning, I almost got us McDonald's breakfast?

Speaker 4:
[36:38] What the hell?

Speaker 1:
[36:39] What, babe? Do you know I want those pancakes? I know, but I'm so out of shape. And then I heard you going like, why'd you do that? I don't need to be eating that. I don't need to be eating that either. But it was right there. I was like, oh man. And that was like a direct, like that's Karl Radke's influence.

Speaker 4:
[36:54] I'm like almost six weeks out, so I really got to get my ass in gear.

Speaker 1:
[36:58] I wasn't even pregnant. I gained more weight than you have. Anyways, I do believe we're going to find out at the reunion that the summer house was built on an Indian burial ground, and that's why the fucked up shit happens there. Anyways, don't worry you guys, Kyle's rallying because he's going to be DJing at Common Ground.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 5:
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Speaker 1:
[39:29] And Sabrina and Ben are being cutesy of like, you're late, Sabrina, getting ready. Who's going to get our children ready for school? I don't know. Bailey comes in in this really tight dress with boobs into Wes rooms and she's like, do I look like a stripper? And Wes is like, a hot stripper. And he's like completely, you can tell he's sizing her up. And I bet Wes was on some kind of weird trip at that point where he was like, huh, should I fuck her? I bet I could.

Speaker 4:
[39:57] God, it's so crazy the drugs that are getting done. Like Wes-

Speaker 1:
[40:00] Allegedly.

Speaker 4:
[40:01] Wes has, his face is white like a sheet. Like, I mean, there's something going on there.

Speaker 1:
[40:08] Yeah, I mean, there's been rumors. Anyways, we cut to Amanda. Even Amanda Batula went out to this, the Common Grounds DJ gig, probably because Wes was there.

Speaker 4:
[40:17] You know, I was going to get you a DJ set for your birthday this year, but then I thought it was too risky, guys. Because like, God, if he gets the DJ set, then all of a sudden, like he's going out at night every night. He's leaving me-

Speaker 1:
[40:31] I told you, I don't want to DJ for anybody. I just want to DJ for us.

Speaker 4:
[40:34] I didn't get the set because I was like, it's too risky.

Speaker 1:
[40:37] Oh my God, the YouTubers just had to see me disappointed in real time. I didn't even know that would be an option. Damn it.

Speaker 4:
[40:45] I couldn't, I can't have you be a DJ now. Look what happens to these men. You're too Bravo adjacent and there's so much DJing going on.

Speaker 1:
[40:53] I would never tell anybody I got that.

Speaker 4:
[40:55] All of a sudden at BravoCon, Ryan's opening for Luann de la Saps or something.

Speaker 1:
[41:00] I think that's pretty safe if you open up for Countess Luann or something like that. It's not safe. You know what? It's a gateway drug. That's a gateway.

Speaker 4:
[41:07] That's why I was like, it's not safe for us to do it.

Speaker 1:
[41:09] Anyways, they're out partying at 1:23 AM. They start coming back. Rebecca pointed out that she thinks there was new cardboard cutout characters.

Speaker 4:
[41:17] Yeah, I do think that they were new ones. That one on Jesse looked different. They all look different to me.

Speaker 1:
[41:22] I bet, there was a good point. I didn't notice that until you said that, but I bet everybody, I bet Wes tried to fuck a couple of them.

Speaker 4:
[41:29] They definitely ruined them.

Speaker 1:
[41:30] Yeah, so they had to build new ones. Yeah, exactly. So anyways, Sabrina's in bed with Ben and she's like, we're so wonderful. It's so, we're so lucky. Life is so wonderful. I'm like, yeah, you finally got on the show. And by the way, this is another reason why we know Sabrina's watched the show because she didn't have sex on camera.

Speaker 4:
[41:48] What are you talking about? That's just like knowing things about reality television.

Speaker 1:
[41:51] I think she knew that they used to have cameras in there and you people.

Speaker 4:
[41:54] No, I think that people have told her that they're, I mean, I'm not standing up for Sabrina, but I think that it's obvious that there are cameras in the bedrooms.

Speaker 1:
[42:03] Anyways, Kyle and Jesse are in the kitchen and Bailey's watching them eat like animals. I still think this is some of my favorite vibe footage, is just when they drunkenly eat when they get back home.

Speaker 4:
[42:13] Ryan feels a connection to it.

Speaker 1:
[42:15] Yeah, and I also think about metabolism's past, but I always like Kyle by himself. Those are my favorite. Kyle eating by himself are my favorite.

Speaker 4:
[42:22] God, if you and Kyle could eat together one night, can you imagine? That would be so great.

Speaker 1:
[42:28] That's the kind of cameo I want.

Speaker 4:
[42:30] That's what you want. It's just you two at 3 a.m. eating.

Speaker 1:
[42:33] You don't need to give me DJ equipment, but if you would get me an experience where I get to eat with Kyle at 3 in the morning.

Speaker 4:
[42:39] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[42:39] He just shows up at the house at 3 for a half-hour stint. I was like, I thought we were going to hang out. He's like, no, I'm just here to eat with you. Anyways, Kyle in a dark, like Amanda's already in bed, but Kyle kisses Amanda's cardboard cutout on the way to bed. Then Kyle's in bed with Amanda and he's like, thank you for coming tonight. And she goes, of course. And he goes, I love you. And she goes, love you too. We cut to 944.

Speaker 4:
[43:03] That was really sad by the way.

Speaker 1:
[43:05] Yeah, it was very sad.

Speaker 4:
[43:06] Can I say something about that?

Speaker 1:
[43:07] It wouldn't be sad if we didn't, it wouldn't be sad if we didn't know about Wes and Amanda. It would just be like, oh God, they don't belong together. We would just like roll our eyes.

Speaker 4:
[43:17] It would still be sad. It's just, it's-

Speaker 1:
[43:19] But we felt sadness from them for so long that we're almost used to it. You know, like we're numb to that, and with the new information, it gets sadder. We cut to Sunday, it's 9.44 in the morning. KJ wakes up next to Dara, sweaty. I felt that too. Remember that when you drank a little bit and you wake up sweaty and hot?

Speaker 4:
[43:36] Totally, but I always feel like they're always talking about the air or the temperature in this house.

Speaker 1:
[43:41] It got fixed this summer because remember the first episode, Wes was like, oh my God, I'm so lucky. The air, you know.

Speaker 4:
[43:46] Well, I was thinking was it a production thing and like the air is too loud, and so they would have to turn the air off because of filming.

Speaker 1:
[43:52] No, I thought that too, but I think the air was legitimately broken. Anyways, Mia wakes up and Mia in a talking head says, the last few weeks I started a dream about my parents. We have a flashback to last week's episode when she talked about that, and she goes into her mom passing again, and she passed by surprise last year, and-

Speaker 4:
[44:09] Oh my God, it was last year?

Speaker 1:
[44:10] Yeah. Yeah. It's like, and my mom wanted me to go out there and live and experience life. She doesn't want me to just cry on TV. That's not my vibe, and she says it in a very cutesy fun way. I really like Mia.

Speaker 4:
[44:23] You look so beautiful in this talking head. She's giving that-

Speaker 1:
[44:27] Glamor.

Speaker 4:
[44:28] No, but it's also Victoria Gotti, mob wife thing.

Speaker 1:
[44:33] Mob wives?

Speaker 5:
[44:34] What are you talking about?

Speaker 4:
[44:35] With the cheetah and her hair up. It's such a vibe, really loving it.

Speaker 1:
[44:40] Okay, now this is where Carl made the move now. Carl is in the kitchen with Bailey, and he's like, just cleaning up the kitchen. I'm in the mix. And Bailey's helping him, trying to get some from Carl. And he's like, I ordered breakfast. And then we cut to KJ in his bedroom telling Dara she looks great. Mia's getting into bed with Ciara. We cut back to Carl, and he's like, chasing a fly around the kitchen.

Speaker 4:
[45:02] And because Carl's the only man in the house.

Speaker 1:
[45:04] Yeah, Carl's like, I gotta get this fly. I can't let my family get attacked by this fly.

Speaker 4:
[45:08] Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[45:09] Jesse wakes up and hugs West in bed. Carl kills the fly with a dash tap. I don't know why we kept cutting back and forth with Carl and the fly.

Speaker 4:
[45:17] Because Carl's doing the real work. Carl's always up in the morning doing the work while everyone else is being lazy asses.

Speaker 1:
[45:24] Dara tells KJ, the girls have been great this weekend. The girls said, shout out to forming a relationship and not making it everyone's problems. I thought that was a really funny line because everybody else's relationships in the Summer House becomes everybody's problems in the Summer House.

Speaker 4:
[45:41] It seems like they are making it a little bit problematic. They're asking in the next episode, is KJ sure? There's a big age gap, I guess, between the two of them?

Speaker 1:
[45:48] No, they said in this episode.

Speaker 4:
[45:49] Oh, is it this one? So is KJ like 26, 27, and Dara is like 32 or something?

Speaker 1:
[45:55] No, I think it's just a couple of years. I didn't think they were being big sisters. They were just big sisters. I think they like Dara a lot. By the way, suck it haters, they're still together. I mean, this guy's putting love poems to Dara online like every day.

Speaker 4:
[46:06] Where's my love poem?

Speaker 1:
[46:07] It's upstairs with my mom, my dad, and Kara.

Speaker 4:
[46:10] No.

Speaker 1:
[46:11] Romy.

Speaker 4:
[46:11] No.

Speaker 1:
[46:12] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[46:13] I need a poem. But KJ's confessional is really disturbing. I don't like the grill.

Speaker 1:
[46:20] Let him.

Speaker 4:
[46:20] With the nose ring.

Speaker 1:
[46:22] He's an artist. Let him be.

Speaker 4:
[46:23] He's so gorgeous. And then with that, I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[46:26] You know what? I think it's cool.

Speaker 4:
[46:27] You think it's cool?

Speaker 1:
[46:28] Did you get me a grill for my birthday?

Speaker 4:
[46:30] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[46:30] Oh my God. Imagine me with a grill and DJing.

Speaker 4:
[46:33] Oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[46:35] West wakes up and he's like, I'm Toast Johnson, man. KJ says, I wasn't looking for anyone to pop into my life right now in regards to Dara. Talking to him, he goes, but this is different. I've never liked someone this much and I've been hurt in previous relationships and in friendships and you put this wall up. You don't want to do that with somebody special because you ruin it unintentionally by keeping that wall up. But I think it's interesting what he said here with relationships and friendships. Remember, West brought him on to the show. These are who knows how tight. Remember, Lindsay is the one that brought West on to the show and they weren't that close.

Speaker 4:
[47:10] They don't know each other at all, it's just like-

Speaker 1:
[47:13] I was just saying, we don't know how close but just clock that line right there because I do believe we're going to hear a lot from KJ in regards to West at the reunion.

Speaker 4:
[47:21] Really?

Speaker 1:
[47:21] Dara says we make a good team and KJ busts out this biggest goofy love smile. He's like, it's very cute. We cut to Carl and he has got beautifully stacked McDonald's breakfast with the pancakes and the muffins and the bacon and the eggs.

Speaker 4:
[47:38] I forgot McDonald's pancakes are fluffy and delicious. Then he's got the hash browns.

Speaker 1:
[47:44] He had the hash browns to the side and then he got pop-up bagels and nobody noticed really the pop-up bagels and cream cheese. He had it all laid out like an OCD-free.

Speaker 4:
[47:53] We love pop-up bagels. We live far away from pop-up bagels and Ryan will order it all the time for me, and it's a good hour.

Speaker 1:
[48:00] I've ordered it a couple of times.

Speaker 4:
[48:02] It's a good hour away.

Speaker 1:
[48:03] I've surprised you with it a couple of times.

Speaker 4:
[48:05] It's really like we don't have many good bagels out here and it's really all we got, sadly.

Speaker 1:
[48:09] Yeah, so Carl, I was as fixated on that as I was the West in America.

Speaker 4:
[48:15] I was fixated on that more than anything. You should have gotten the McDonald's breakfast, maybe tomorrow.

Speaker 1:
[48:21] OK, well, I just heard you in my going, don't waste money. I heard you saying that in my head.

Speaker 4:
[48:26] True.

Speaker 1:
[48:26] Maybe that was my mom. Anyways, downstairs, Sabrina's there with her knee-high socks. She's like, Carl, you're going to be such a good father and a husband because this is the first time I'm meeting you and I haven't watched you for 10 seasons. And Carl's like, I hope so. I take pride in taking care of my family. And then Bailey's like, it makes my heart flutter. Like Bailey, which by the way, I just-

Speaker 4:
[48:48] Bailey really likes Carl.

Speaker 1:
[48:50] Well, it's also, I think it's that thing of sometimes people convince themselves to like somebody because everybody's talking about how good they are. And she already had a bad experience with Ben. But I want to point out two scenes that we've not seen that were in the trailer was Carl making out with Bailey. That's not happened yet this season.

Speaker 4:
[49:05] Well, that could still happen.

Speaker 1:
[49:07] It's going to still happen, but I just want to say that's still coming. Well, eventually Bailey or Carl does make a move. And then we still haven't seen the Kyle-Carl fight. And Andy Cohen said on his radio show that it is definitely happening, that did not get cut out to make space for whatever West and Amanda shenanigans. Anyways, we cut to Dara now in bed with Ciara and Mia and KJ's in the room. And they're like, what happened last night? And Dara's like, West got obliterated. He actually couldn't talk about anything else but you, Ciara. You were the only thing on his mind. And Ciara in the talk, Ned says, My true self is like, just dive into the pool and be best friends again and laugh until 2 a.m. and just be us.

Speaker 4:
[49:46] Okay, I want to say something. I don't understand this best friends talk.

Speaker 1:
[49:49] She's in love with him.

Speaker 4:
[49:50] She's in love with him. So I don't like, like girls, say what you mean. Like, you don't want to be best friends with West. You want to date West.

Speaker 1:
[49:58] See, I think it's like KJ talking about walls. If you say best friends, it gives you this, it's not a real wall, but it gives you some kind of form of protection by saying best friends. Now, it's ultimately going to fuck you up. Like it's going to fuck her up. But if you say that it's easier than saying love because love, you know, automatically puts all of this baggage with it. But if you say best friends, that's easy breezy cover girl in some ways. Oh, that's my best friend. This is my best friend. You know, so I don't-

Speaker 4:
[50:24] Yeah, but a best friend you can go out and they can hook up with someone else and you're not sad about it. And you'd be okay with it, yes.

Speaker 1:
[50:29] But I want to point out that she says, you know, and be us, just be us. But I want to point out with West what I think I realize now, and a lot of us realize that probably there are a lot of women out there that would say the same thing about West. They'd be like, I just want to be us. Like I miss us, West. I bet there's a bunch of people now that are like, I just miss us. And I think West has a lot of people feeling the way that Ciara has felt. But Ciara says, but like I can't, I'm scared, you know, because I know how much I put myself out for him. Even in a friendship, I don't want to be bamboozled again by West. And I think that also explains so much more about, and I'm going to reread the Rolling Stone article in the New York Time articles West did on the Patreon. If you're a Patreon subscriber, look forward to that, because I think it's going to give a lot of clarification. But people were wondering why Ciara was so mad. They had a really intense relationship. They were like primarily off camera. We saw a little bit, but now we're hearing more and more about that and literally how much they hung out, how much they talked, how much they texted, how she met his parents, all of that stuff. Anyways-

Speaker 4:
[51:35] But like you said, I think Wes does that a lot with men.

Speaker 1:
[51:37] Exactly. But for Ciara, she doesn't do it a lot with men at all.

Speaker 4:
[51:41] I understand. I understand. She doesn't open herself up like that, so it's very, very painful. As a woman or a man, I guess you could have dealt with that. But I think we've all had those types of people in our lives. You put so much weight on them when in actuality, you shouldn't and you're way better than them and you should just leave. But it's hard.

Speaker 1:
[52:02] And the devious part of like, this is why if you really kick that can down the road, it does come off like psychological torture to me. Because West realized how deep her feelings were two years ago. He realized that. And he has this opportunity to be able to be like, you know what, I see you're still in that same place. Because he can see it. He knows it. He feels it. He's not an idiot. We got to stop anybody out there treating West like an idiot. Like, this guy is very astute. Like, he always says he has a trouble communicating. No, he doesn't. He has trouble communicating when he wants to use that as a device going, I'm not really good with my words. The guy's good with his words when he wants to be. He is. He's a professional communicator outside of Summer House. So that is a device that is a little bit of like thing that he uses to make people feel bad for him.

Speaker 4:
[52:50] Sure, I guess.

Speaker 1:
[52:51] I mean, you guess?

Speaker 4:
[52:53] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[52:54] I mean, I just think.

Speaker 4:
[52:54] No, I think Wes is a very charismatic, charming person that is probably a lot of fun to be with.

Speaker 1:
[53:00] Very fun, I'm sure.

Speaker 4:
[53:01] Yeah, very, very fun. And because of that, women or even men, I'm sure people just get wrapped up into this way.

Speaker 1:
[53:08] I would probably love to hang out with this guy.

Speaker 5:
[53:11] Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1:
[53:12] But the thing is, he has the opportunity to not do what he's doing right now to Ciara, and he chooses to go forward by the end of this episode. And that's on him. And that's why it's up.

Speaker 4:
[53:22] Do you think he does that just because it's too hard to have that conversation, or is he just trying to continue Summer House?

Speaker 1:
[53:28] Oh, I don't think Summer House is really that involved in it, because it's the same thing with Amanda. I don't think he hooked up with Amanda to continue Summer House.

Speaker 4:
[53:34] Well, I think that maybe in the beginning with Ciara, that kind of started because Summer House.

Speaker 1:
[53:38] I think that's why he started with Ciara the first season.

Speaker 4:
[53:40] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[53:41] But now I think it's completely different. Also, I do think, and like I said last week, I think West likes to have sex. I think he likes to have sex with hot women and a variety of hot women. I think Ciara is a very hot woman to West. I think that is something of like, I'd like to see her boobs and butt again. I know that sounds like gross, but I think that's partly where his head's at of like, okay, yeah, I'll add another one to the roster again. Yeah, he probably does like to hang out with, yeah, I like that too, but he can't commit in the way that she wants committed. He knows that. He knows that right now.

Speaker 4:
[54:14] But look, he's committing to Amanda or is this just forced?

Speaker 1:
[54:17] He's committed to Amanda, but I do believe, I want to know what their plan was. What their plan was if Ciara hadn't found out, what was the plan? Because they almost got, I believe, forced into admitting this and putting out that statement in some ways.

Speaker 4:
[54:33] They were forced.

Speaker 1:
[54:33] So what was the plan?

Speaker 4:
[54:34] That picture or whatever it is.

Speaker 1:
[54:36] The rumors have been going on for a month plus at that point. So what was the plan if they hadn't got caught? Were they going to keep it going because it was just that serious? Or did it get more serious because everybody was on to them? That's the question that I also don't know if we can be honest.

Speaker 4:
[54:52] I think a little bit of both.

Speaker 1:
[54:53] Yeah. Anyways, Wes in a talking head. Oh, sorry. We cut to Kyle saying, hey guys, things are coming out to my DJ set. I wasn't really at my best. I guess he had some flubs and they're at the table enjoying McDonald's pancakes and Ciara comes down and joins the table. This is where you really notice Wes in his nipples.

Speaker 4:
[55:16] Yeah, there's a shot of someone and then in the corner is Wes' nipples. Yeah, those are something.

Speaker 1:
[55:23] Wes in a talking head is like, of course, I feel bad. My main objective still every day is still don't upset Ciara. Don't hurt her feelings. Which is like, if that's your main objective every day, did you stop having that be your main objective every day at some point after filming? Because if that was your main objective, you're horrible at objectives because you failed your main objective in such a grand way. It's not like the last weekend girl that you were just like feeling up on the couch next to Ciara. This is somebody that's been Ciara's friend for a very long time.

Speaker 4:
[55:55] Yeah, but I think because the cameras are-

Speaker 1:
[55:56] This talking head is such bullshit.

Speaker 4:
[55:57] I don't think he cares. I don't think he cares.

Speaker 1:
[55:59] I just, I don't want to hurt her feelings. We were kind of off on this track and all the slow progress we made, even flirting after midnight, like still helped me feel comfortable in the house. Wes needs you to flirt with him so he feels good in the house and comfy. Also, I want to point out, flirting with somebody after midnight is not a friend.

Speaker 4:
[56:19] No, they're not friends.

Speaker 1:
[56:20] That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4:
[56:20] It's not a friend. That's what I hate that they keep saying best friends. Friends, you guys were never friends.

Speaker 1:
[56:25] I needed Jesse to flirt with me before we get to bed so I can sleep well. Are you kidding me? And he says, and to think I like ruined it by making out with someone, I didn't even really know. It just kind of like sucks. Oh man, it kind of like sucks. Get ready, bro. Get ready. And then Dara thanks everybody at the table for making her first full weekend here. Great. People are packing up. Carl needs a shower, you guys, which by the way, I think Carl is one of the only men that shower in the Summer House. Wes comes into Ciara's room all like meh. And Wes is like, I want to apologize for being a shitty friend. Yeah, I don't feel good at all. Like I'm personally bummed. Because I feel like I'm like on a friendship level. Things were pretty like okay. And I hope I didn't fuck up whatever was built the rest of the summer.

Speaker 4:
[57:12] He looks so disgusting in this.

Speaker 1:
[57:14] I think he was extremely hungover.

Speaker 4:
[57:16] He looks wild. And in all the talking heads, he looks like smelly. He looks like one of those guys that wears the natural deodorant and like really needs to put on some Axe body spray or whatever the men use because he stinks.

Speaker 1:
[57:29] Wes is that guy that will eventually hang out with Matthew McConaughey in a non-joking fashion. That's, you know, he's like, oh, dude, I've just been kicking it with Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey. Like, you know, like in like 10 years, he's good. That's gonna be his group.

Speaker 4:
[57:42] They all kind of look similar to I could see that actually.

Speaker 1:
[57:44] Yeah, exactly. Maybe like, let's all like hang out in Hawaii and not take showers together and use natural deodorant. So Ciara is like, Wes, this is why I didn't want to be friends to begin with. This doesn't make any sense. I want you to be able to live your life and be free and whatever.

Speaker 4:
[57:58] So I think I don't, I don't think this is true, by the way.

Speaker 1:
[58:01] No, it's not true. But she's waiting for him to make some bold declaration of like, I need you. I need you in my life. But she's also true of like, this is why I've been so fucking mean to you because I still feel so deeply like it's all in between the lines and she goes and whatever. So I think like just let's keep it at that. Like it's best if we are not friends. And Wes is like, okay, yeah, it's like a lot harder for me, I guess. Oh, it's a lot harder for you guys. Everybody's making it harder for Wes. I've been closer to you than anyone here and I really fucking jeopardize that. And I apologize. It hurts me. He says apologize all the time, but he never says sorry. I don't know if that's just his figure of speech. He goes, and I would take it back if I fucking could. Like, I'm not great at articulating myself a lot. But like, I've just put so much effort, I'm just trying to prove to you, I do care. Like, it just sounds like none of it mattered. You say you're okay with awkwardness, but I'm like not. It bugs me horribly, which isn't it great? Like, he turned this around so beautifully, where like now Ciara's feeling bad for Wes and the audience is supposed to feel bad for Wes. And he's supposed to be like, I had two years. It's like that sign at work of like, there's been no injuries at the job for the last two years. And it's like, yeah, man, nobody forced you to make out with a girl in front of Ciara.

Speaker 4:
[59:19] Like nobody forced you. But these are the do. Like this is how they get into your brain and mess you all up. Ciara.

Speaker 1:
[59:25] Some of them will like have kids with you. That's like how deep it'll go.

Speaker 4:
[59:28] Oh, I thought you were like talking about yourself for a second.

Speaker 1:
[59:30] No, I was joking. Like have kids with you. I was joking. Anyways, there's a pause. And he's like, I'm not good at pretending to not know each other. It takes a lot out of me. It takes a lot out of poor Wesley to pretend like he doesn't know Ciara. And Ciara is like, but I like just don't have much to offer you right now. And Wes is like, oh, and then we cut to Sunday, 1110 AM. Carl says, all righty, room. It's been a good run. So Carl is like that kind of guy that says goodbye to his room. It's awesome. They're all leaving. We get back to the city. I don't love like we have one shot like KJ with Dara's dog Daisy. There's no dialogue. It's like Monday. And then Wednesday, we see Ben and Sabrina being flirty. Like there's no, just being flirty. And then Thursday, Ciara is meeting up with Mia and Mia's brother Nick.

Speaker 4:
[60:16] Oh my God. And Ciara has no makeup on. She's so beautiful. Like, oh my God, it's insane.

Speaker 1:
[60:21] Yeah, it turns out she's good looking. And the greatest thing my parents could give me is Nick, Mia says, her brother. I'm trying to get him to move into my building. And also, I just found this out a couple of weeks ago that Ciara lives in Mia's building as well. So that's like, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[60:34] She said that at the top of the season.

Speaker 1:
[60:36] Oh, I totally spaced that. Anyways, so they're all nervous. Well, Mia and her brother are nervous about meeting the medium. Ciara met this medium when she was in Costa Rica and it really helped Ciara. Which by the way, if this medium was real, the fucking medium would have been like, do not hook up with the West ever again. That dude's like, you up.

Speaker 4:
[60:55] Oh please, you know I'm a psychic person.

Speaker 1:
[60:57] I am not a psychic person.

Speaker 4:
[60:58] So I was like, we need to see this woman.

Speaker 1:
[61:01] I hate to say this, this is where it gets you. Cause even this scene, I will say, we watched this episode twice when Rebecca was balling both times.

Speaker 4:
[61:08] I didn't ball, I had a little tear.

Speaker 1:
[61:09] I teared up the second time. But I'm also kind of like, I was on that Sheena's podcast and she had like two different psychics. And I was just like, you paid two different people? Like you paid two different, I don't know. I did watch this scene and I think I said to this dude, this other, you know, I was like, I would like to hear from my mom, but you know, I don't know how much I believe in it, but this was pretty chilling in a beautiful way. Mia says, my mom died suddenly from pneumonia and an autoimmune disease she had. There was a lung heart thing. She never got to say a proper goodbye and she's looking for closure. She wants to know that her mom is okay. And yeah, so the spirit medium gets introduced and she communicates with people who have passed, even pets can come through. She has no control of who comes through, keep an open mind. All of a sudden with Mia and her brother, she says, I get a strong female energy. Since I'm here, I'm here. She's calling you, Nick, her baby boy, and you have a necklace she gave to you, which is their grandmother. And then there's another female. She says, you need to know I'm okay. I'm working through coming to you in your dreams. You will dream of her. I just want you to know I can breathe okay and I'm happy. And that's the part that got me. It was like so specific. And it was like, unless the editor, like the people were like, I want you to watch this footage of like information about Mia. I mean, how do you know these things? You know, and she says, she called you her beautiful girl and how proud she is of you. And why did you take a picture of my hands? Which was cute because Mia says, I guess when she was like, you know, not well, she took a picture of her hands because you know, they had similar hands and she didn't want to forget what they look like. Oh my God, like this all just rings true to so many of us who have lost somebody. And she's like, well, can you ask her, does she think that I'm on the right track in doing what I'm supposed to be doing? And she said, your mom wants you to have more confidence in yourself. You have been feeling stagnant. You felt stuck in the last year and a half. And she's like, yeah, we had a plan that I was going to get married. I was going to move her to New York. I was going to have a baby and it was going to be us.

Speaker 4:
[63:12] And it makes me sad even with you talking about it.

Speaker 1:
[63:15] Yeah. And she didn't follow the plan. And she goes, you're going to have a baby girl. And she is going to be sending you a baby when the time is right. And, you know, I mean, like, listen, you lost your dad at a young age. I lost my mom a couple of years ago. And like, you know, that's a really beautiful thing to think is that like our parents sent us Romy, you know, like there is something beautiful about that. And yes, it's magical. And yes, you know, even I can get the ridiculousness of that. But it's beautiful to believe in if you can, right? Once again, I wrote the psychics, that psychic should have told Ciara to watch the fuck out. Anyway.

Speaker 4:
[63:50] It wasn't about Ciara.

Speaker 1:
[63:51] I know it wasn't about Ciara, but I felt like Mia's mom would have been like, by the way, while I'm here, is Ciara in the room with us?

Speaker 4:
[63:58] We have a little bit more important things to talk about besides Ciara and Wes. We were talking about Mia and her-

Speaker 1:
[64:03] I know we were, but I was just like, it would have been great if Mia's mom could have given her a heads up from beyond.

Speaker 4:
[64:08] Also, Mia has really solidified herself on this cast. I'm really happy for Mia. I like her a lot.

Speaker 1:
[64:13] That's why I'm going to be pissed if for some reason Summer House is fully destroyed.

Speaker 4:
[64:18] It really shouldn't be.

Speaker 1:
[64:20] But Mia, I'm telling you, Mia has a boyfriend and Mia is smart. Those are two hard things for a reality show when your boyfriend doesn't fully participate.

Speaker 4:
[64:28] But it sounded like she wanted to break up with the boyfriend.

Speaker 1:
[64:31] It does sound like that. It does sound like that. Okay, you guys, get ready. Now we're at a new scene and we're at this bar where they're doing a foster adoption for dogs. West has, this is a West scene, and West rolls up and there's six dogs that can be adopted today. One of those is potentially West Wilson. West, in a talking to, as he says, he's from a family with a lot of dogs. He can't own a dog in New York because he has a small apartment, and he's using that primarily to have sex with Amanda.

Speaker 4:
[65:00] And that's why he fucked Amanda so he could get a dog.

Speaker 1:
[65:03] Yeah, now he's a stepdad to those two dogs. But he says he can still volunteer, and Kyle and Amanda are walking up, and Kyle's like, operation, we can't get a third dog today. Okay, so then West meets them outside, kind of gives the bro handshake to Kyle, and then Amanda hugs West.

Speaker 4:
[65:24] They hold each other.

Speaker 1:
[65:25] And West kisses her on the cheek, and then Amanda, it holds for a long second. Now, this is where I do believe they, I believe the editors went back in and they're like, do we have any extra footage of like, whoa, that was an extra long hold, because I believe they would have cut away from that rather quickly. But it's a very long second. Anyway, Kyle's like, well, I have nothing to worry here with you guys talking, I'm going to get an Aperol Spritz for my love. And he orders like Wifey and Aperol Spritz and two Guinnesses for the boys. And so it's Wes and Amanda outside. And Amanda's like, how's your week been? Wes is like, fine. And Amanda's like, have you had time to reflect? And he goes, I had the scare, he's pretty horrible. And Amanda's like, do you remember me being upset with you? And what upset me the most is that you have been such a good friend to me all summer. And your penis has been such a good friend to me all summer. And like you just, you know, I've seen you like stand up to Kyle and how he's treated me and you're looking out for me. And I just don't like to watch you disrespect Ciara in that way. Because it makes her jealous because she wants to disrespect Ciara in that way. No, it says it just puts it in this weird dynamic, you know, it just puts this weird dynamic in place. So here's the question, is I personally believe that they probably texted each other before this scene. Like I remember you guys, they know who they're going to film with. So I do think there are like innocuous texts, you know, but I think it is...

Speaker 4:
[66:45] Oh my God, of course, I'd be setting up what we were going to do.

Speaker 1:
[66:48] Yes, what are we going to talk about today, blah, blah, blah, you know, so... But, so I do believe there's a little shorthand going on here. Maybe they've hooked up, maybe they haven't. But what is interesting is her choosing to chide him about how he treats Ciara and not to disrespect Ciara when it's so weird when she gives the ultimate disrespect after cameras go down. But this was another cringey scene for me overall.

Speaker 4:
[67:12] Yeah, very.

Speaker 1:
[67:13] Yeah, and Wes is like, that's why I've been trying to protect things. Kyle brings out a drink. He's like, here you go. Wes is like, oh, cool. Then Kyle just goes back inside. Nothing to worry about here. And Wes goes, I'm not an idiot. I understand how I was disrespectful and hurtful. But now I'm like, what did I just jeopardize? Was it friendship? Was it rekindling? Her tolerating me for eight weeks in the summer? I don't know. And she's like, well, a lot of moving pieces for sure. But if you hated each other, but rumor has it that you're super flirty when you go out at night. She's like, how dare you? Like that's when it's like you can read into it. Like, well, I hear from my little birdies that you've been super flirty. So if you want to do that, you can't have any of this. And so you can read this.

Speaker 4:
[67:59] You really think something was going on this summer?

Speaker 1:
[68:01] I do. I do.

Speaker 4:
[68:02] I'm not sure.

Speaker 1:
[68:03] I do. I do. I do. I don't think we'll ever get the heads up for that because I think it would make them even look worse to like Kyle and stuff like that. So Wes is like, well, God, it's true. Now the friendship is fucked. Any advice? Is there any advice you can give me? And Amanda is like, don't go silent with her. Take accountability. Just do apologies. No ands, ifs or buts. So Amanda is giving the advice that she follows none of in regards to what she ends up doing to Ciara off camera. So we cut to the Hamptons. Scott, me his boyfriend, is in the car driving up with the girls. And they're like, Scott, you're for the girls. And Scott's like, I'm a guys guy.

Speaker 4:
[68:48] And they're like, I can't even believe you said that.

Speaker 1:
[68:51] And he goes, I'm a girls guy too. He's like, well, you know, I want to throw around the old pigskin. It was like, are you Carl all of a sudden? Like, are you want to be in the mix, Scott? And he's like, I want to have some cocktails. Then we cut to West in the car with the boys. And he's like, okay, guys, I did a bit of a boo boo last weekend. The only thing you can control now is your attitude and your effort. Regardless of fuck ups, it's going to be a good weekend and a good week. Amanda told me just to apologize again today. And KJ is like, dude, how about let your actions speak louder than your words? And KJ goes, move accordingly. And Wes is like, I've been doing it for two years until last week. He kind of gets a little defensive there. I've been doing it. I have been doing that for two years. I like that all of a sudden he just put in for days off work. I was really good for two years, so I deserved a little hanky panky. And then we come back to the other car. And me is like, Scott is only here for one night. He has work to do on that Miami location restaurant. But it's been a blessing. It's great having him for a couple of weeks. And Dara says, guess what, ladies? KJ asked me to be his girlfriend this past Sunday. We are exclusive, which is funny because Saturday, last Saturday, he was like, you know what? I'm not going to make it a fish. I don't want to ruin it. The next day, he makes it a fish, which is very cute. And Mia says, you don't feel like you move too fast, do you? And Dara is like, we both know what we want. It feels right to full send it. Let's just hope I don't eat my words one day. Let's hope you don't say full send it anymore.

Speaker 4:
[70:18] Yeah, that was really cringe.

Speaker 1:
[70:20] The ghost of Kyle Cook is just like, yes. Do you think that they are moving too fast?

Speaker 4:
[70:26] I don't personally, but maybe with that age gap, I don't know what the age gap is. If there's five years, what they were trying to say is women, when we're over a certain age, we do expect more things than if you're just in your 20s and fooling around.

Speaker 1:
[70:41] I don't think they're moving too fast. I think they actually do have something special. If you look on social media, even though social media doesn't tell us the truth, it does seem like they're obsessed with each other. So I hope for the best. Anyway, they pull up to the house, the guys first. KJ brought his skateboard, you guys. That's awesome. By the way, Bailey and Levi, they're not there this weekend at all.

Speaker 4:
[71:03] Levi is not in the show at all.

Speaker 1:
[71:05] I have a theory that Levi saw Amanda and West making out, and they've done everything to silence her for the rest of the season. They're just doing everything in their power. But also, I want to remind you, I found this out a couple of years ago. They will actively tell people, you can't come this weekend, we're not going to pay you because they have budgets. Sometimes it's not even that they don't want. I found that out actually from Jesse Solomon in an interview. I was talking to Jesse a couple of years ago when he first came on, and he was like, no, I was in town. Because somebody had a picture of him at the Summer House. I was like, you weren't even in that episode. He's like, yeah, they had called me off that weekend. So there is budgetary concerns and especially with the new people, they'll tell people to hang back.

Speaker 4:
[71:45] I like Bailey though. I think she's a good addition.

Speaker 1:
[71:48] I do too. I think she'll definitely, if whatever happens. But that's interesting too, if they're going more young, what happens to Carl because he's not in the city.

Speaker 4:
[71:56] That's a huge mistake that Carl is not in the city.

Speaker 1:
[72:00] For breakfast alone, I think you should open a breakfast place in the Hamptons near the Summer House and he just delivers the breakfast.

Speaker 4:
[72:06] He does always get the good breakfast.

Speaker 1:
[72:08] Yeah. He says, Kyle outside of the Summer House on the phone with Amanda, and Wes says, damn, Kyle's already outside, he's soaking up the sun. He goes, I want a Sheryl Crow. Now, Rebecca, what did you say?

Speaker 4:
[72:20] I didn't get it at first. I was like, what does that mean?

Speaker 1:
[72:22] What does Sheryl Crow mean? I was like, Sheryl Crow had a hit song, I want to soak up the sun.

Speaker 4:
[72:28] Yeah, that was good. See, he's got these little quips, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1:
[72:32] Amanda's like, wow, panty dropper, quoting Sheryl Crow lyrics. Anyways, we hear Kyle say, okay, well, hang in there, you'll be missed.

Speaker 4:
[72:41] Okay, so I think Amanda didn't show up because she got so pissed at Wes, hooking up with that girl, she also didn't want to deal with him talking to Ciara because she knew she would have to deal with the fallout and she didn't want to have to deal with it. What do you think about that?

Speaker 1:
[72:57] I like it, except that we did see that scene on Wednesday at the dog place where she was giving him advice.

Speaker 4:
[73:02] It doesn't matter. It's going there as something totally different.

Speaker 1:
[73:06] So my theory is that they were texting before and after that scene on Wednesday and I think something was going down. I think Amanda sat with her feelings. I think Amanda did do something sexually with Wes and all of a sudden, it really started adding up, realizing, oh my God, I told Ciara I saw her. I thought she started looking in the mirror going, I'm disgusting. What the fuck is wrong with me? She was thinking that at all, Ryan. I can't make it. I can't do it. I can't do it this weekend.

Speaker 4:
[73:27] No, she definitely was not feeling disgusting about it.

Speaker 1:
[73:30] I don't want to see Wes and Ciara tripping all over Wes. I just can't do it. But anyway, it's Amanda and a frog.

Speaker 4:
[73:35] I think that you get so off on the transgression of it all that you're not thinking, I'm this terrible person. You're just so fueled by it.

Speaker 1:
[73:46] Amanda in a froggy voice on the phone with Kyle is like, okay, goodbye. What is this? Amanda Catface, the shame of Wes. I don't know what that means. Amanda Catface.

Speaker 4:
[73:58] Can't face the shame.

Speaker 1:
[74:00] Amanda can't face the shame of Wes.

Speaker 4:
[74:01] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[74:01] Okay. Anyways, Wes jokes to Kyle. Wes is like, I adopted a dog this week. Yeah, he adopted Amanda. Carl's like, what if it's just the boys this weekend, no girls. Kyle's like, guys, that might just happen. Just got up the phone with Amanda. I don't know if she'll make it at all. I was like, come on, second to last weekend.

Speaker 4:
[74:21] That made me sad, second to last weekend.

Speaker 1:
[74:23] I like that Kyle then was like, KJ, grab me a non-alc.

Speaker 4:
[74:27] Well, that was for Carl.

Speaker 1:
[74:28] I thought he was having one for Kyle.

Speaker 4:
[74:29] No, he was getting it for Carl. Okay. Then KJ like-

Speaker 1:
[74:32] Skateboards.

Speaker 4:
[74:33] Very cool.

Speaker 1:
[74:34] Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, the girls come outside, so it's not just all guides weekend. They all say hi to Scott and his boyfriend. Kyle tells Ciara, he's like, hey, Amanda's not coming, she's kind of on the struggle bus. Ciara's like, oh my gosh. Okay. And then Ciara goes over to KJ and is like, here you got a girlfriend, how do you feel? And KJ is like, it feels like the same, honestly. I was waiting to see your face to tell you face to face. And Ciara's like, you can always call me to tell me the tea. And then KJ sits down and talks to me and says, Ciara, and Ciara's like, I think it's a little fast. Brace yourself, walk cautiously. I've done multiple share house bad experiences. So just know no one is going anywhere. Don't rush the process. I mean, it's like, yeah, there doesn't need to be a proposal anytime soon. You're smart, you're emotionally intelligent. I'm just checking in. You're a little younger than her. I just want to make sure you are aware of the realities. So that is like good love. It's not saying don't do it. I think that's the right thing you got to do with your friends. So anyways, we cut to it's Friday night, 7:53 PM. This is what I said, you know what? It was probably Amanda's turn to throw a party this weekend. She's like, I don't feel good and lazy on a stand at home. Anyways, all the guys jump in the pool and start playing like basketball pool.

Speaker 4:
[75:46] Basketball pool?

Speaker 1:
[75:47] They had the little basketball thing and all the guys are like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[75:51] Would you have played with them?

Speaker 1:
[75:52] Like, are you like cool like that? I can play a mean game of basketball pool.

Speaker 4:
[75:57] Is that true?

Speaker 1:
[75:57] Yeah, I can't play any other sports.

Speaker 4:
[75:59] I've never seen you throw a basketball in my life.

Speaker 1:
[76:01] You've never seen me hoop it up?

Speaker 4:
[76:03] No.

Speaker 1:
[76:03] Yeah. I've thrown around the old pigskin.

Speaker 4:
[76:05] That's not the basketball.

Speaker 1:
[76:06] No, I'm joking. Yes. We cut to Ciara up in her bedroom, FaceTiming Amanda.

Speaker 4:
[76:14] This was chilling to me.

Speaker 1:
[76:16] Amanda, you got time to FaceTime. You got time to be at the Summer House. That's all I'll say. Amanda goes, I was napping. Ciara's like, there's seven boys here, three girls. I'm going to kill you, Amanda. She's like, I'm sorry. We cut to the guys in the pool going, it's a boy's summer, boys' night. And Ciara's like, you're not coming at all, Amanda. She's like, I just can't do it. The idea of coming out there is so overwhelming to me.

Speaker 4:
[76:42] See, it's overwhelming to have to deal with West and Ciara and seeing all of that.

Speaker 1:
[76:47] But it's so funny because West told Ciara, it's overwhelming to deal with you ignoring me. Everybody's overwhelmed in the West and Amanda situation.

Speaker 4:
[76:55] I bet it is overwhelming when you're cheating and doing all those things.

Speaker 1:
[77:00] But Amanda just says, I was like, I just need to not go. And talking to Amanda goes, obviously, this summer has been rough for Kyle and I so far. You know, and it's just catching up. You know, it's like I always show up with a smile on my face every weekend and being the joyful, bubbly Amanda. Do you?

Speaker 4:
[77:15] I've never seen that.

Speaker 1:
[77:16] You sure about that?

Speaker 4:
[77:17] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[77:18] You sure about that?

Speaker 4:
[77:19] I've literally never seen joyful, bubbly Amanda.

Speaker 1:
[77:21] Joyful, bubbly Amanda? Like, was there like, is this like a different, a lost season of Summer House?

Speaker 4:
[77:26] Yeah, right.

Speaker 1:
[77:27] But she's like, I'm going to try to power through it. You know, it's like, it's just getting to the point, I can't take it anymore. And I just need to be alone right now. Now, I do want to say, this is the show they present us. But also remember, regardless of the West Amanda situation, they're now bread crumbing in the city. And this is the big narrative for In the City. So these last couple of episodes, two episodes left, you're going to hear Kyle and Amanda say, we're in a really bad spot, I now realize. And also, I do think there was something to Amanda going, oh, fuck, I got to keep filming after Summer House ends. I'm just not going to make it this weekend. Amanda says, I think I need to give myself some time. Wes walks by Ciara's room at this point and the doors close. And Amanda's like, did Wes say anything to you, Ciara, when he got to the house? Is there any information you can give me? And Ciara's like, no. And then Wes knocks and she's like, who is it? And he's like, me? And Wes pops in, Wes is wearing a boys lie hat.

Speaker 4:
[78:24] And Amanda is wearing a lot of boys lie stuff.

Speaker 1:
[78:27] They're giving us clues, you guys. They're giving us clues. But Wes is like, this will take 30 seconds. Oh shit. Are you on FaceTime? I can come back.

Speaker 4:
[78:37] This was so scary. You could see Amanda's face on the FaceTime.

Speaker 1:
[78:41] If you zoom in.

Speaker 4:
[78:42] With them talking, that was weird.

Speaker 1:
[78:44] I also, this is where I told Rebecca that I'd love to subpoena their phones, because I have this weird suspicion where Wes and Amanda were texting. And Amanda's like, I'm going to hop on FaceTime with this bitch. You give it like 20 minutes and then just knock on the door. Okay, I'll be in there. So Ciara's like, you don't have to leave. You can just go ahead and say it. And Amanda's still on the phone. He's like, I don't feel any better since last weekend. And you don't have to reply. But like after last week, I'm pretty bummed out about like, and I, you know, it's like, that's, it's like, tell whoever, just tell whoever you're on the phone with, like that's it. Like, you know, tell like what's up. He knows who's on that phone. Anyways, Wes leaves the room.

Speaker 4:
[79:28] Well, yeah, because she texted him right before and says, I'm FaceTiming Ciara.

Speaker 1:
[79:32] So we see Amanda laughing on FaceTime. And she's like, all the build off, I'm so sorry. And Ciara's like, Oh my God. And Ciara's like, Bye, Amanda. I love you. This is Holly, our dog. She's been trying to get pets the entire time. Okay. Do you want to say anything about Amanda and West? I hate them. They're not good people.

Speaker 4:
[79:55] They don't deserve dogs. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1:
[79:57] They don't deserve dogs at all. Ciara says he wouldn't even be in the situation if he wasn't such a dumb ass. Ciara in a talking head goes, Here's the thing. I don't hate him. But it's really hard to keep up the front. I do. Like I built up stories in my head about who he is and things he's done. And I'm sure he's built up stories about what I have done.

Speaker 4:
[80:16] I don't think he has.

Speaker 1:
[80:17] I'm sorry. I don't think he has.

Speaker 4:
[80:19] I don't think Wes thinks that deep about that shit.

Speaker 1:
[80:21] And by the way, Ciara, the stories that you made up in your head, you didn't go far enough with those stories. Yeah, they're true. See, this is why I think it's psychologically fucked up. Because when you have these dark negative Grimland thoughts, which a lot of us do, those thoughts usually aren't true. You know, it's like you kind of know. You're like, oh, it's just me telling myself.

Speaker 4:
[80:39] You're not a woman dealing with men, because usually it is true. And it's worse.

Speaker 1:
[80:44] It's worse than you think. It's not anything negative, like, oh, that person is shit talking to me. That person is this.

Speaker 4:
[80:47] That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1:
[80:49] Well, anyways, it's way worse with this, you know? And but Ciara is like, I should just, you know, why don't we just talk and just put it all out there? And then we cut to Ciara coming into West Room, and she's like, hey, want to get coffee in the morning? He's like, yes, I'm RSVP and yes. And then he opens the door to the shower and Jesse's in there like, and I'll start falling in love. And he goes, hey, guess what? We're doing coffee tomorrow. Now it's 8:51 PM. Sabrina's on the phone with Ben. They're heading out. And Kyle, by the way, what a spring in this guy's step. He's about to have the night of his life without Amanda there. They go to the club. You had a great note here.

Speaker 4:
[81:31] That they were wearing ski goggles because they were skiing?

Speaker 1:
[81:34] They were skiing. Skiing. Skiing the slopes, the white slopes. So that's what I'm saying. There's clues everywhere. The boy's lie hat, the ski goggles. They're trying to tell us things, you guys. Now, they're back in the house. It's 2:49 a.m. Wes is running in to start making Chinese food. Ben is on top of the kitchen island. And Kyle's like, I feel more like myself because my wife is nowhere to be seen. And it makes me realize how fucked we really are. So that's another like in the city is coming. We have a shot of Carl just fully asleep. God bless this man. Kyle and Ben are talking in the DJ room. And he's like, hey, Ben, real talk. I feel like you've really just like seen me at my worst. And Ben's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, man. I mean, are you kidding? You know, like, I'm not judging you because you're going through bad stuff with your business and your relationship. I know that's not who you are. Which by the way, business and relationships, that's a good portion of who you are.

Speaker 4:
[82:38] That's all of who he is.

Speaker 1:
[82:39] I know it's not you, Kyle. I thought they were about to make up. I was like, maybe that's the real scandal. Wes, we see Layne in bed. And Wes like just goes, that was sick. And then we see the front house of the Summer House, the front door of the Summer House just open.

Speaker 4:
[82:54] It feels like they always keep that door open. Like they just don't care. You can just walk on in.

Speaker 1:
[82:59] You know what? That's what it is. They found out I found the address after the Summer House and that I was going to pop by at like four in the morning, sometime over the summer. All of a sudden, you just see Ryan Bailey just walk inside and nobody, they just let the door wide open.

Speaker 4:
[83:11] Uber eats back.

Speaker 1:
[83:13] You just see me picking at the food Kyle dropped, and then I just leave. Anyways, it's cut to Saturday, 9:16 AM. We see this angel man, Carl, he's listening to his headphones and it's like, gently realize your intention.

Speaker 4:
[83:31] Right, because he's doing the work.

Speaker 1:
[83:32] He's doing the work. He's putting in the work. West is shaving some of his facial hair, and he puts on a white tank top and white pants.

Speaker 4:
[83:40] He looks so-

Speaker 1:
[83:41] Send this man to jail. Send this man to jail.

Speaker 4:
[83:44] I don't like it.

Speaker 1:
[83:45] Babe, I'm a very thick guy. This is exactly, I'm way thicker than West. What are you talking about?

Speaker 4:
[83:50] I'm just making a comment about West. This has nothing to do with you.

Speaker 1:
[83:54] Mia and Scott, they're talking. Scott has to leave. He's not going to be there. They keep talking about they're going to be on a boat today. I guess we'll see that next episode. Mia and I are talking that it says, Grief is paralyzing at times. I know this is heavy and she says to the camera, I know this is heavy, you didn't sign up to listen to this, but it made me feel like I need to start moving on. And now I'm looking at my relationships and this is where I'm stagnant and I need to make a change in regards to a relationship with Scott.

Speaker 4:
[84:17] Yeah, it sounded like they're on the outs.

Speaker 1:
[84:20] Or she's having like an in-depth conversation where he's like, you know what? Yeah, I want to take the next step.

Speaker 4:
[84:24] I don't know. I mean, he's a restaurateur, which means you're not around at all.

Speaker 1:
[84:30] It could work out good. Anyways, it's Saturday, 1027 a.m. Ciara comes into Wes and Jesse's bedroom. Jesse's doing some sort of frog pose. And she came to, Jesse's like, oh my God, Ciara came to get you, bro. Carl says, see, by the way, Ciara was wearing this outfit. Her boobies, her under boobies were out.

Speaker 4:
[84:50] Yeah, and like Wes is looking all sweaty and disgusting.

Speaker 1:
[84:53] And she's dressed like a supermodel.

Speaker 4:
[84:54] She's like the hottest thing I've ever seen. Girl, like, you could get anybody.

Speaker 1:
[85:00] But see, this is like almost feels like a weird revenge dress to show West how like, this doesn't seem like a best friend dress. I'll say that much. And that's the thing we like. This isn't Ciara's fault, but like, Ciara is still very much in love with Wes Wilson at this point.

Speaker 4:
[85:13] Obviously, from the next scene, we see like very, very in love.

Speaker 1:
[85:18] Carl's like, Ciara, you look astonishing, you know? And Ben is on the phone with Sabrina and he's like, Sabrina, you had a dream that someone gave me a hand job in this house?

Speaker 4:
[85:29] You know who she dreamed?

Speaker 1:
[85:30] Kyle.

Speaker 4:
[85:31] No, Amanda.

Speaker 1:
[85:32] Oh, Amanda. That Amanda gave him a blowjob because of that. Didn't fuck me mates missies or didn't do it. But that would be great. Like, Sabrina did have like a, and then we, oh my God, that's another clue. The last time we saw Kyle and Ben was four in the morning with nobody else awake.

Speaker 4:
[85:47] So what, Ben was there?

Speaker 1:
[85:49] Ben and Kyle. And Kyle's like, great, you see me at my worst. Can I show you at my best? Take on those pants.

Speaker 4:
[85:54] He's like, no, Sabrina.

Speaker 1:
[85:55] Sabrina. Anyways, cut to it's 1106 AM. And all the Summer House are shocked at Ciara's out with West.

Speaker 4:
[86:05] I was shocked too. I was like, wow.

Speaker 1:
[86:07] Yeah. West's neck is, oh yeah. So they're sitting down, West and Ciara. And check out West Wilson's neck in this scene. It's like it's frozen. He just keeps jutting it out. He can't look to the left or to the right. And I don't know what that means, like the body. But he's like, he just is like sticking his head out like this. And he can't like look at her like this. It's really, did you notice that?

Speaker 4:
[86:28] I didn't. But now that you're doing it, I do, I do notice it. Yes.

Speaker 1:
[86:31] Yeah. And Ciara's like, I think it's been two years of nothing really being said. And I'm almost like scared to be nice or myself around you West because I'm afraid of being like embarrassed like I was last weekend. And it's so weird because it's like this thing I was afraid of was you sitting next to me and not seeing me. You know, that was what I was afraid of and it happened.

Speaker 4:
[86:49] I feel like he saw you, babe.

Speaker 1:
[86:51] Yeah. Yeah. I hope you watched.

Speaker 4:
[86:52] And by the way, Andy, you just didn't give a shit.

Speaker 1:
[86:54] Andy, you don't listen. But if you did, I hope you asked that question of like, well, Ciara, what did you feel like when you did know that West actually did see you because he commented on it? But he goes, she goes, I feel like that's triggering in this whole cycle of whatever the fuck our relationship is. And West is like, yeah, like subjecting you to that is fucked up. And I am apologizing. West is taking notes in his head, like just like how he can psychologically fuck her up. He's like, okay, so that didn't work fully. What else could I do? Oh, you know what? I could betula her, you know? Ciara goes, I was just like, I don't mean to rehash it, but in terms of talking to the press, that was like the final nail in the coffin. You downplayed our relationship to the New York Times. The wording was, we aren't each other's people. And I did really consider you my best friend at that time. And I feel like we had such a great friendship. And that was the part that sucked. I don't call people my best friend lightly. And I don't have that type of relationship I did with you, with everyone. Like, Jesse's been trying to be her best friend for the last season and a half. And it's not stuck, right?

Speaker 4:
[87:52] Guys, if someone tells you what they think, believe them. You know, like, he's telling the New York Times, how embarrassing is that? And it just, Ciara, you're way too good for this. Going back time and time again.

Speaker 1:
[88:04] But see, this is why it's relatable.

Speaker 4:
[88:05] Again, Amanda did Ciara a fucking favor. Like, she really did. Because now it's done, done. And she will never go back to Wes.

Speaker 1:
[88:14] But what I'm curious about is that she did go-

Speaker 4:
[88:16] Wes is such a loser.

Speaker 1:
[88:17] What's so great, we're going to see it in the next couple of the final episodes. But obviously, their relationship continued because we have that little piece of information that he was sleeping with her as of a month ago. So wow, that's the darkness, you guys. Anyways, I just have to feel like I can keep reminding people.

Speaker 4:
[88:31] I think as women, we all understand, we've all been in those situations. Like, we get it.

Speaker 1:
[88:37] And Ciara's like, it feels like I didn't know you. Like, and I like I did. I don't know what that my typing is bad. Wes is like, you saying the words back to me like, yeah, that makes me feel really sad. Like, there's no way to like make it hurt less, I guess. But like in that moment, I was under such attack two years ago and you and I weren't in communication. And naturally, I tried to defend myself. And Ciara's like, well, I'm sorry I didn't text you and wasn't there for you. I'm like, girl, what are you talking about? Once again, he's got you to apologize to him for things that he said in the New York Times. Like, I'm sorry I couldn't be there for you when you suffered like the you suffered the consequences of your own actions. Like that's insane. Ciara's like, no, West is like, West goes, that's OK. That's big of him, right? Ciara says, I can take accountability for not being there for you when you probably needed that and it would be like this, you know, and then she goes and it wouldn't be the same without the cameras or the fans or like, or Ryan Bailey. It would be a lot simpler.

Speaker 4:
[89:41] It wouldn't. It would be the same. In my mind, like, I mean, as someone who has been in a situation where like I had unrequited love where I was with someone for a very short period of time and then years went by and I was still like actively feeling for them, I think that it would be exactly the same.

Speaker 1:
[89:59] Wait, what are you talking about?

Speaker 4:
[90:00] I understand that. But who is this? I've been in that situation. This is when I was in my 20s. Like, I think everyone, I think most people have been in a situation like this, where like you were with someone for a short amount of time, but then like years go by and you still have them in your head. You still have this like idealized version, which is not them at all. Like you've made up this person. I think that she's made up who this West person is. And I mean, obviously the fans and cameras amplifies everything, but I think it would be the exact same thing.

Speaker 1:
[90:32] Wait, how old are you? No, I'm joking.

Speaker 4:
[90:35] How old are you, Ryan?

Speaker 1:
[90:36] No, no. Ciara, so Wes is like, that's okay. But also I think Ciara is saying this about the fans and the cameras because it's another excuse she can tell herself of why it's like so different and why this situation is different and that maybe just maybe they are each other's persons, right? And she's like, we, oh, he goes, yeah, Wes is like, yeah. And the other hard part is like, I know what my phone looks like. And it's so many people talking about you and I or like comparing us or talking shit on me. Like whatever it is, it's like super nasty. Get ready, Wes. Get a lock in, brother. But he really, this is another point of like he pays very close attention to this stuff. So just know-

Speaker 4:
[91:20] Well, he's chronically online.

Speaker 1:
[91:21] But that's what I'm saying. Just know he is very aware. Amanda might say she deleted her Instagram. Wes didn't.

Speaker 4:
[91:28] She's also like uploading it probably every second and then deleting it again and like, no, please.

Speaker 1:
[91:33] But anyways, Wes is like, your natural instinct is to like, you know, is to like resist the person who- Oh, is- no, your natural instinct is to like, resent the person who everyone is shitting on you about. Is that your natural instinct?

Speaker 4:
[91:49] Well, that means he's resenting Ciara, he resents her.

Speaker 1:
[91:53] I don't think it's everybody's natural instinct, but then it's like, oh, so you are admitting you resented Ciara, which then you kick that can down the road, like then you'd see Amanda resenting Ciara because everybody was shipping Wes and Ciara again this season. And then you're like, oh my God, did their relationship form because they both just talked shit about Ciara and that's how they got a lot?

Speaker 4:
[92:13] No, no, no.

Speaker 1:
[92:14] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[92:15] That's not how.

Speaker 1:
[92:16] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[92:16] I don't think they care about Ciara, honestly.

Speaker 1:
[92:19] Well.

Speaker 4:
[92:19] Which is even darker.

Speaker 1:
[92:20] But see, I think Wes would know because I think Wes is so plugged in that he would be like, you know, people are gonna flip out because they love Ciara.

Speaker 4:
[92:27] And they love that. Like again, that transgression is so hot, you know?

Speaker 1:
[92:34] But he's like, you know, to resent the person who everyone is shitting on you about, he goes, you know, when in reality, you and I aren't like doing any of it. Like we're not responsible for any of it, you and I. And it's just like, it's just such a weird thing. And Ciara's like, yeah, it muddies the water and how we actually feel about each other. And Wes is like, no, fully, fully. And then Ciara's like, because it's like, I do miss you as my friend. And Wes is like, I mean, yeah, like, I mean, me too. Like, how can I not? Remember, like, Ciara took, Ciara had to take the lead, man. Like Wes, like Ciara put it out there. Wes, all he had to do was just agree. And yeah, that's it. So Ciara, Wes is like, it's really hard. And Ciara's like, I don't want people talking shit or bad or saying mean things about you, Wes. You are not a bad person. And I never thought you were a bad person. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[93:24] Get ready. You are a bad person.

Speaker 1:
[93:27] When Ciara's like, I actually want to, I want to edit this and switch it out. She goes, yeah, last year I wasn't ready to be in this place. This year, I'm tired of having to carry this and act a certain way. I want to let my guard down and be normal, but it's hard. I don't know what that looks like. And this is so, this is what's so relatable about Ciara is like, sometimes our baggage just gets so heavy to carry. And you want to be able to put it down. You want to be able to trust. And this is like, this is why I say it's psychological torture, where it's like, she's telling him very point blank, this is this emotional baggage that I've been carrying. I want to put it down. Can I put it down?

Speaker 4:
[94:04] No, you can't.

Speaker 1:
[94:05] But he's saying she can.

Speaker 4:
[94:07] I know.

Speaker 1:
[94:08] But Wes says, like, I feel like, you know.

Speaker 4:
[94:10] But I hope she puts it down for another person later on. I hope that this hasn't messed her up enough, where she now can't put that wall down for the next 10 years.

Speaker 1:
[94:19] And that's scary to me. And a lot of people are like, oh, fucking grow up. Like, I've heard be like, grow up, Ciara. I've got my own shit. Yeah, you got your own shit. We're talking about her on a TV show. I would probably, if I watch the season of Your Life, I would probably feel the same way. I've been like, put your guard down, too. We're talking about Ciara right now. Like have a little heart sometimes. I truly don't understand. Sorry. I thought you were like, stop it. But anyways, Wes says, I did feel, I felt clearly your walls up. So Wes right here is pushing for her walls to go down. She goes, because I would love to, when you told the gang about buying your grandparents' house in North Carolina, I know that story more than anyone at that table, and I wanted to tell you how cool it was.

Speaker 4:
[94:59] Well, why didn't you tell her?

Speaker 1:
[95:01] I know, I was like, bro, just because her walls were up doesn't mean yours had to be. It takes two seconds to actually say, yo, listen to me.

Speaker 4:
[95:08] That's so awesome, right? That's all you have to say.

Speaker 1:
[95:10] Fuck. I mean, come on, bro. You can still say those things. I don't understand. It's not just being able to flirt after midnight. It's got to be more than that. That seems to be the things that really mean something to you. When it's like, if that meant something to you, having watching your friend do something cool, tell her that. Risk a dirty look. He goes, even if we never talk again after today, I want you to know, one, I'm sorry for anything and everything. I'm sorry about everything. Now that it's been a long time and I had a lot of time to reflect on the family stuff, I didn't want to have to say sorry to you for bringing you home to my family because that meant a lot to me. It was fun, but I wasn't thinking about how impactful things like that could be. That was probably a mindfuck and I thought about that a lot and I understand things better than I did. I see you now. What's great about this was he's like, that was probably a mindfuck that I thought about things and I understand things better now. He comes off like that evil guy from the Saw movies that builds all those booby traps. Where he's like, I saw that, but now I'm perfecting it. It's not going to be my parents' time, it's going to be Amanda. That's what I'm saying, it's devious, right? To like, according to any boundaries, like, and then he goes, he goes, I could be your best friend tomorrow. I could be your best friend tomorrow.

Speaker 4:
[97:02] It's the weirdest thing. This best friend thing is so weird to me.

Speaker 1:
[97:07] And now what I thought, and you said she won't, but I was like, I wonder what Amanda thinks when she watches the edit. Because I believe they're getting the same time that we get them on Monday.

Speaker 4:
[97:16] I don't think she's watching.

Speaker 1:
[97:17] But if she's watching, I wonder if she's like, what the fuck did you say to her in that scene, West?

Speaker 4:
[97:21] He's like, I was just acting.

Speaker 1:
[97:24] I'm trying to provide a future for us, babe. Then Ciara goes, can we just be like best friends again? Then West grabs her hand. Ciara's like, come here and starts crying. You're like, what?

Speaker 4:
[97:40] That's when I was like, girl, you don't cry like that for a friend. She was really, I feel bad.

Speaker 1:
[97:47] West hugs her and it's a long, guys, this is another thing in the edit. They would have cut away from this hug. A lot clicker they did. They did one long hug, two long hug, three long hug, four long hug, five long hug. Then West is like, you good? Ciara's like, yeah. Then he goes, I knew you were going to make out with Jesse also.

Speaker 4:
[98:07] That's like he just wants to piss on his-

Speaker 1:
[98:09] Keep and score.

Speaker 4:
[98:10] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1:
[98:12] She laughs and she goes, I'm pissed that you said you didn't care. Are you kidding? And West is like, what was I going to do, babe? And she goes, stop it. Save me. The save me thing. I'm like, girl, this isn't best friends. And West goes, that's true. Next time on Summer House, welcome to soft bar, everybody. And this is obviously a setup for In the City because Danielle's there and Kyle's like, hey, did you and Lindsay have a falling out? And Danielle's like, is Lindsay here? And then we see Emeril from last season.

Speaker 4:
[98:45] Oh my gosh, I didn't see that, really?

Speaker 1:
[98:47] Yeah, he probably invested in soft bar, Kyle didn't. And then we find out Jesse going like, I don't think Kyle and Amanda have had sex in years. Of course, Jesse's the one like a journaling about everybody having sex, you know? And then Ciara to Amanda says, what if you and Kyle took some time apart? Now remember, this is the second time Ciara has put that out there. I truly believe they were separated going into this season, but this also believe this, aside from the West and Amanda things, feels like a reality show set up. The fact that it's been brought up two specific times by Ciara both times, it feels like a device of like, we need to get something talking about the failure of Kyle and Amanda's relationship. It feels like a set up to me. Do you see that at all?

Speaker 4:
[99:27] Maybe. I mean, maybe.

Speaker 1:
[99:29] But Amanda's like, he would never go for it. And then Jesse at dinner goes, Summer's almost over. And West in a cowboy hat goes, not for me, brother. And then we see a scene with Jesse talking to Amanda Petula going, now they're like back to being friends, I guess. And Amanda goes, but that's not like friends. How did they go from zero to a hundred like that? Dun, dun, dun! Okay, really quickly, Watch What Happens Live, Jesse Solomon was there. And we said Jesse seemed very relaxed.

Speaker 4:
[99:56] No, he seemed a shell of his former self. He did not seem like himself to me.

Speaker 1:
[100:00] I thought he looked like he was on Valium. He looked very like I would have been-

Speaker 4:
[100:03] Something in beta blocker.

Speaker 1:
[100:04] I was like, remember Schwartz during Scandival when he was on? It was a disastrous appearance where he was like-

Speaker 4:
[100:09] Jesse did very well.

Speaker 1:
[100:10] He got lost in the sauce. Remember that? I remember watching that with my mom. My mom was very sick. It was the summer she passed away and my mom was even like, oh my God. I was like, mom, watch this. She was even cracking up how bad it was. Jesse seemed chill if you compare him to Schwartz. Anyways, tonight, so they're like, what's tough about watching this and Jesse's like, it was tough to see Amanda and Sierra's bed and how close they were. It was tough to see Wes and Sierra's conversation and them becoming best friends again.

Speaker 4:
[100:39] It really seems like Wes and Jesse are not friends at all.

Speaker 1:
[100:43] But also remember, we put these kind of archetypes on these characters. Remember, they just met each other the year that they came into the Summer House. We put their best friends on to work.

Speaker 4:
[100:53] No, I'm not saying that they were best friends, but it seems like now they have no relationship. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[100:59] Also remember, Jesse's a dude that really likes girls as well. There is a little bit of a blow to his ego that he's like zero for two with Amanda and Sierra. They're asked, would a best friendship ever work with West and Sierra? They asked the polls. Jesse's like, maybe it could have, but he's like, you have to see the rest of the season. They were very flirty. So there's a lot yet to come. The audience says, no, a best friendship could never work out between Sierra and West. Once again, we've used the best friend term. It's like, Andy, they weren't best friends. Do you think anything ever happened with West and Amanda last summer? Jesse says, I really hope not. It's easy to look back now, but I don't think it did. And what's her name from the Hills?

Speaker 4:
[101:40] Kristin Cavallari.

Speaker 1:
[101:40] Kristin Cavallari says, well, West said there's no overlap. And Jesse's like, yeah, I saw his podcast. I think he waited that long and that was the announcement. Groundbreaking, A for effort.

Speaker 4:
[101:50] See, this is what I'm talking about. Jesse's being shady.

Speaker 1:
[101:53] Yeah, Jesse is a little bitch. And I say that as a compliment. The audience, by the way, thinks something was going on during the summer in the poll. Everybody thinks Dara and KJ were not moving too fast. That's great. A promotion for Andy's Bravo Scrapbook. Andy brings out the truth bomb. And the question is, when exactly, Jesse, did you first know about Amanda and West hooking up? And Jesse says, I had my suspicions. I did not know until the joint statement, though. Both denied it to my face multiple times. Do we believe this?

Speaker 4:
[102:21] Yeah, I mean, I believe that that's the truth for Jesse. Definitely.

Speaker 1:
[102:25] Well, I believe the truth for Jesse, but I believe that he didn't know for sure. But I believe that he thought, yeah, something is going on.

Speaker 4:
[102:30] Oh, definitely.

Speaker 1:
[102:30] They didn't confide in him. But remember, we have that photo from DuBois that him and Amanda did have that two-hour lunch where they were joking. Amanda's like, I'm not dating Jesse. And I'm sure they talked about that many times at that lunch. So they're like, so you found out through the statement. And he was like, yeah, late February into March, Amanda texted me apologizing, saying, I'm sorry that I lied to you. And he's like, did Wes text you? And Jesse's like, he hasn't apologized. But yeah, the trust is a little broken. And they're like, well, you said you had receipts. He's like, yeah, my receipts were just Amanda apologizing, saying, sorry, we sat for two hours and she lied about the whole situation and that. And Ciara, oh yeah, Jesse says, Ciara and I were both suspicious. And she was going to leave it up to the reunion and let the reunion take care of it. But then everything came out. And that was the part that was fascinating to me. So you both were suspicious and then Ciara was going to have it play out at the reunion. Jesse says he has spoken to Paige and Paige gives great advice. How dare you, Andy, not ask a follow-up question of what advice has she given you? And also, I know Paige would never do this in a million years. Could we just have a little segment of Bring Paige Out?

Speaker 4:
[103:43] Yeah, right.

Speaker 1:
[103:43] Just Bring Paige Out. That's never going to happen. Give Ciara five minutes alone in a room without Andy there. So they said the timeline extends into the summer. When did you suspect it began? And then Jesse says again, sticking to his story, he goes, I mean, it was like late February. Yeah, late February. He's like sticking to this late February date. I asked how Kyle Cook is doing. He's like, Kyle's good, all things considered, but he's starting to get angry and upset seeing them make out at Yankees game. I think Kyle's been pretty good until that. I think that's his like bullshit male ego, like male, like you have to be jealous, right?

Speaker 4:
[104:20] I mean, I would be upset. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[104:21] Yeah, but like he was just making out with Meghan King the night before.

Speaker 4:
[104:23] It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1:
[104:24] No, it doesn't matter. But I said that I think Kyle's maleness will eventually get him upset about this. There were rumors West had been hooking up with a lot of people over the last few months. And Jesse's like, well, a lot of those rumors have been proven to be true, but hopefully not all of them for West's sake. Because remember, it's not just Ciara that he was hooking up with a lot of girls.

Speaker 4:
[104:43] That girl that made the horsehair necklace.

Speaker 1:
[104:45] Yeah. Mia, I believe I always forget her name. Mia. Jesse says, what makes you suspicious? There was, oh, what makes you suspicious? What made you suspicious about West and Amanda? And he goes, well, there's a lot of flirting. There was one time the boys went to brunch one day, and then West went to a second brunch with Amanda after, and we ran into them at a bar.

Speaker 4:
[105:05] My God, can you imagine?

Speaker 1:
[105:07] And by the way, I believe that date was February 19th, if I'm not mistaken or something, maybe. But Jesse goes, well, no, no, it was March 19th. But because Andy asked what date, he goes, March, but he goes, you know, Andy, I'm not good at dates. And he kind of does a wry little smile. And Andy goes, you better all get your timeline straight. Vanderpump rules didn't get their timeline straight, which I thought was a great shot across the bow. And then Jesse goes, oh, Anne West and Amanda went out to dinner in Miami. And I was originally offended that they didn't ask me to go because I was in Miami at the same time. And now it makes sense later. And then Andy goes, when was that? He goes, late February. A lot of people were like trying to point like, oh my God, Jesse was on a plane to Miami in January. Jesse is a part-time residence there. So he goes to Miami a lot. He spends like half his time in Miami. So just FYI, Megan King reaction with Kyle. And Jesse says, Kyle, come on, take a beat. Things are like turning around for you. Don't make out with the housewife in the middle of the street. Yeah, Jesse knows to make out with it inside away from cameras. Did Jesse write music about Ciara? And he's like, no, no, you're talking about my song Overrated. He goes, that's about falling in love with your best friend, but I don't say who my songs are about. He says he does feel bad about upsetting Ciara earlier in the season, about asking Wes if he can make out with her. He says, I should have talked to her first, but you can't look back and regret. Also, I do want to point out Jesse told us, I think it was last episode, that he'd been seeing a girl for the last month. Remember? He's like, that one girl. I'm like, where's this one girl?

Speaker 4:
[106:45] She was there.

Speaker 1:
[106:47] She was there, but I'm saying he was also actively asking Ciara out. I was like, Wes, can I make out with Ciara?

Speaker 4:
[106:51] Right. I forgot about that.

Speaker 1:
[106:54] Jesse says he's disappointed how Wes handled the situation, but listen, this is a dude who sat on the floor with me when I thought I had cancer again. He's a good person. I hope he can clear it up. I hope he can take accountability, but I think he's going to be combative. It is a combative. Jesse's like, yeah, I hope he can hear and apologize, but he thinks people have the timeline all messed up, and that it's like two single people. Then he goes, and I'll let him speak for himself. Yeah, that was it. What were your overall thoughts? Because we're going to get probably some leaks today in regards to the filming of The Reunion.

Speaker 4:
[107:30] It's a mess. I don't know. We'll see. Watch What Happens.

Speaker 1:
[107:34] Watch What Happens. I want to say, it is so funny that this broke right around the time of us giving birth to Romy, you giving birth to Romy, but it has been such an interesting time because it's been this time of great happiness. This is fun to do and it's like a fun little obsession like chess, but I just want to say, Rebecca is here. I always say it on the show, but how amazing you've been and done and what an amazing mother you are. I'm not just kissing her ass, you guys. But listen, I begged her to come on today and I know she's missed talking to you guys. We stopped halfway through and she didn't think she was even doing good.

Speaker 4:
[108:10] Stop. I'm tired. I just feel like my energy is bad. I apologize. I'll be better next time.

Speaker 2:
[108:15] No, you were great today.

Speaker 4:
[108:16] You were great.

Speaker 1:
[108:17] What would you say to Wes Wilson if you saw him and you were able to say anything?

Speaker 4:
[108:22] I wouldn't give him the time of day. I wouldn't say anything like, fuck that guy.

Speaker 1:
[108:25] Would you say anything about his meaty nips?

Speaker 4:
[108:28] Yeah, I definitely would. I would be like, let me nibble on that nip.

Speaker 1:
[108:31] What would you say to Amanda Petula?

Speaker 4:
[108:33] Do you nibble on the nip?

Speaker 1:
[108:35] You'd ask the hard-hitting questions, do you nibble on the nip? But if Amanda's like, hey, Rebecca, I know we don't know each other, but from your viewpoint, where did I go wrong here?

Speaker 4:
[108:46] I mean, that's, where'd you, I don't know. Like she went wrong so many places.

Speaker 1:
[108:52] And I just like every time.

Speaker 4:
[108:53] I mean, I started this season wanting Amanda to cheat on Kyle. Like legitimately, I wanted her to do that. And it's just like, you could have done it with anybody else.

Speaker 1:
[109:03] By the way, she probably did, I bet she did.

Speaker 4:
[109:05] I hope she did, like let's not forget Kyle's been cheating.

Speaker 1:
[109:08] Not with Wes, probably with somebody else.

Speaker 4:
[109:09] No, Kyle's been cheating on her for like the last 10 years. And I wanted that for her. It's just like she picked the wrong guy.

Speaker 1:
[109:19] Yeah. So I mean, I just hate-

Speaker 4:
[109:21] And it's like she's going to learn really bad lessons. And it's just such bad love karma that like you can't run away from after this. And it's just going to come back to haunt you for a very, very long time. And I'm sorry.

Speaker 1:
[109:34] And I will say too, for like, you know, I've seen these like these big events happen in reality TV now for many years. And, you know, the seesaw effect is interesting because you start really angry, then there's a group of people, they're like, come on guys, take it easy. Like, of course, don't fucking go like, don't go fucking like try to dox Amanda. Don't like try to like, don't do all that shit. But like, I will say, guys, this is like the downside of reality television because this is what they want. They want us all hyper. This gets more eyes on this stuff. But it's like, they know Amanda's been a part of this for 10 years.

Speaker 4:
[110:06] No, but she hasn't been a part of it, a part of it. She hasn't gotten in the mix like Carl. She hasn't done those things. She's been very on the outside. She has the cool boyfriend or husband, and she's just along for the ride. This is her first real foyer into reality TV.

Speaker 1:
[110:26] Did you see that one TikTok where Wes was dancing with girls in his apartment and then Amanda Petula comes out of the bedroom?

Speaker 4:
[110:31] Yeah, because Amanda is that girl that just stays in her boyfriend's bedroom and smokes weed and then waits for him to come home at night. But it's just weird because he came home with girls. It's very college. It's very strange. Like girl, you're 35. I don't know how old you are. I think you are 35. You're too old to be acting like this.

Speaker 1:
[110:48] Like in a haze of pot smoking sex.

Speaker 4:
[110:50] This is real college behavior. I think that like drugs more than pot. I think drugs is like really heavily involved and partying and I just like hope you guys get it together and don't fuck up your life even more.

Speaker 1:
[111:02] Also stay indoors for the time being. That Yankee scene was such a stupid move. You must have wanted to be seen because I don't know how you think you were going to be seen.

Speaker 4:
[111:09] Obviously, like there's 40,000 people there. Well, I just, yeah. There's so many places in New York you can go and not be seen. Like same with LA. Like there are so many places to go where there's nobody there that's going to call you out like that. But if you're going to the Dodgers game, if you're going to the Yankees game, if you're going to the biggest bar down in the West Village, like yeah, obviously.

Speaker 1:
[111:30] Do you think Wes and Amanda have had a threesome with anybody?

Speaker 4:
[111:33] Probably.

Speaker 5:
[111:34] Oh my God, no way.

Speaker 1:
[111:35] Also, we forgot to do this. My birthday is on Saturday, but we went out to dinner last night, and my sister and Rebecca surprised me. If you've been a listener, like follow my Instagram, my high school senior photos, I dressed up like Charlie Chaplin, like a nerd.

Speaker 4:
[111:50] So weird, guys.

Speaker 1:
[111:51] They made these. They made young Ryan, dresses Charlie Chaplin, and they brought this out at the restaurant last night for my birthday dinner and it was very cute. They also made tattoos of the Charlie Chaplin thing. Hers is already washed off, but I just thought this was very, look at this young Ryan, look at God, look at that.

Speaker 4:
[112:10] Why does this photo look like it's from 1912?

Speaker 1:
[112:13] Because I was dressed like Charlie Chaplin, who was like big in the 20s and the 30s.

Speaker 4:
[112:17] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[112:18] That's why it looks like, what are you talking about? Look at this guy. Had no idea about reality television, really, but this man had only seen real world and Survivor. So anyways, we love Rebecca.

Speaker 4:
[112:27] Not even Survivor. I don't think Survivor was on that.

Speaker 1:
[112:30] Just let me have this.

Speaker 4:
[112:31] Road rules.

Speaker 1:
[112:32] Road, yeah, there you go. Road rules. Okay. Rebecca, Romy, we love it. Wes, Amanda, Boo. And I love you guys and I'll talk to you very soon. Bye.