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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Hey, Macrodosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. What counts as a rumor is bigger than even just this show.

Speaker 2:
[00:13] Yeah, so can I say, I think we should say we are not talking about the rumors, but we will talk about people talking about the rumors. So we can't be implicated in this, but we're just talking about the discussion about the rumors.

Speaker 1:
[00:26] Yes, and so if you're listening out there and you have no idea what we're talking about, God bless you.

Speaker 2:
[00:30] But congrats on being employed.

Speaker 1:
[00:45] Welcome back to Macrodosing. It is Thursday, it's April 23rd today, and we're back in the studio myself. Big T, Mad Dog McKenzie, and T-Bob. We got the three T's.

Speaker 3:
[01:00] The big T's.

Speaker 1:
[01:01] All three of them, the T Musketeers.

Speaker 3:
[01:03] Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 3:
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Speaker 3:
[03:02] The rumor or the truth?

Speaker 2:
[03:04] I am not interested.

Speaker 3:
[03:05] Or is spreading truth a rumor?

Speaker 1:
[03:07] Okay, that's-

Speaker 3:
[03:07] This is something I've been trying to conceptualize.

Speaker 1:
[03:09] Yeah, that's actually a good way to start it. And we're kind of alluding to the Barstool Spring Break House, which I'll be honest, as a 41-year-old man, I can't find myself getting drawn into the ins and outs of these storylines. But I do think that the conversation of what counts as a rumor is bigger than even just this show.

Speaker 3:
[03:33] Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2:
[03:34] Well, so can I say, I think we should say we are not talking about the rumors, but we will talk about people talking about the rumors. So we can't be implicated in this.

Speaker 1:
[03:42] Right.

Speaker 2:
[03:43] But we're just talking about the discussion about the rumors.

Speaker 3:
[03:46] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[03:47] And so if you're listening out there and you have no idea what we're talking about, God bless you.

Speaker 2:
[03:51] Congrats on being employed.

Speaker 1:
[03:53] Let's just say that there's drama that goes on inside a company and people are accused of things or rumors that get started, which may or may not be true rumors. But you probably know somebody in your life that has spread a rumor about you, or maybe you've heard a rumor about somebody else that you're close with. And you jump to that person's defense to defend them against rumor that may or may not be true. But then it opens up the bigger question of if somebody is out there spreading rumors about someone else, and those rumors are true, does that count as spreading rumors?

Speaker 3:
[04:27] I, my instinct says that is still rumor-mongering. Like I've never tied, I've never tied rumor in with truth or fiction.

Speaker 2:
[04:42] So truth is not a defense for you?

Speaker 3:
[04:45] Well, I'm just saying that like if something is salacious but true, and you're going around telling people about it, you are kind of doing the same thing as somebody who's spreading something salacious but untrue. Maybe not as bad, maybe not as bad, but like you're still, it's still going around because you want to goss a little bit, because you want to learn to juice. That is true.

Speaker 1:
[05:07] I think it's gossip. I think gossip and rumors are different.

Speaker 3:
[05:10] Oh, okay, that's fair.

Speaker 4:
[05:11] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[05:13] Actually, maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe if you're gossiping truth about somebody, it could be looked at as spreading. If you're doing it maliciously, I think that's where most people would have a problem with it. Even if it's true, if somebody is discussing it with somebody else, not because they're trying to improve something or make something better, but just because they're trying to take somebody else down, then I see that that's where it becomes rumour-mongering to me.

Speaker 3:
[05:42] Yeah, that's weaponized.

Speaker 1:
[05:43] Weaponized.

Speaker 3:
[05:44] That has intent.

Speaker 1:
[05:45] Weaponized gossip.

Speaker 4:
[05:47] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[05:49] We love gossip, though, just as a...

Speaker 3:
[05:52] As human beings, we do.

Speaker 1:
[05:54] Yeah, as a person. Well, you can say that you don't love gossip, but everybody kind of loves gossip.

Speaker 3:
[06:00] It's hard, too, because I'm trying to, again, because I don't want to be involved in any of this, and I know what it's like when you're kind of caught in what feels like everybody's talking about you, but you don't like... And you always have this temptation, like, oh, I gotta talk to you, I gotta try to clear the air, I gotta try to say what the audience is like. You know what, functionally, actually, it doesn't matter. All you need to do is just kind of focus on your life and control what you control. And I guess where I'm going with that is, I've been trying very actively hard to avoid my most base instincts, that curiosity that wants to dive in, and wants to be like, hey, so what are they actually talking about here? And so I've been trying to stay disciplined and stay off the beat here. But I was thinking, to your point, I was thinking a lot about the conceptually, what is a rumor? And does truth or not matter? So T, you think if I'm spreading truth, I'm just talking facts?

Speaker 2:
[06:52] I agree that you're still gossiping.

Speaker 3:
[06:54] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[06:54] And that that's not something that you should necessarily be doing. But I do think it's different if it's true or not.

Speaker 1:
[07:01] Let's cut all the bullshit here and just say what we're all talking about. Are the Cardinals gonna take love with the third pick or is this a smoke screen?

Speaker 3:
[07:09] It would be crazy.

Speaker 1:
[07:10] The rumors are just absolutely crazy.

Speaker 2:
[07:12] That's right. Happy Draft Day.

Speaker 1:
[07:13] This time of year. The smoke screens. It's lying season. Just say what you think. NFL GMs are such messy bitches. They love to just talk behind people's back, get stuff out in the press, get people talking about their peers and their opponents. It's hard to know and separate truth from lies this time of year. It's lying season.

Speaker 3:
[07:34] Well, so is that actually where rumor exists? Rumor has to be in a quantum state where you don't know if it's true or not. Because if you know something's true, well then you're accomplishing a goal by talking about it. If you know that something's not true, if you know it's not true and you're talking about it, well then that's malicious in its own way.

Speaker 2:
[07:56] So it has to be a Schrodinger situation?

Speaker 3:
[07:58] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[07:59] Schrodinger's draft, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[08:02] That's what the GMs are taking advantage of here.

Speaker 2:
[08:04] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[08:05] They cede the story with quantum tales that nobody knows what to make heads or tails of and then only they know the truth at the very end.

Speaker 1:
[08:14] What are the biggest rumors going around about this draft? It's like...

Speaker 2:
[08:18] This draft kind of stinks. I haven't seen... I forgot it was tomorrow slash today.

Speaker 3:
[08:24] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[08:25] I've heard people say that about this draft and maybe it's because the commanders have a top 10 pick, so I'm a little bit more interested. I feel like there are a ton of really good players in this draft. I've heard Todd McShay say that it's not the most talented draft that you're looking at next year and you're thinking that's going to be the year, but I look at the top 10 guys and I see a lot of really, really good players.

Speaker 2:
[08:49] Well, the top 10 guys in any draft are going to be. I think it's the quarterbacks.

Speaker 1:
[08:52] Yeah, you're right. There's like one quarterback that is consensus, a first round pick, and then another guy that is maybe not a top 32 guy in the draft but will be taken in the first round because he's a quarterback.

Speaker 3:
[09:04] Yeah, I think there's a few different elements of play. Everything, first off, to y'all's point, everything starts with the quarterback. Like actually, Brandon had a pretty good line in this morning show where he just distilled it out to, you could pick any team in the first round and say, oh, they need help at receiver, at rushing the passer, and at protecting the passer. Well, it's like, yeah, everybody needs that. Why? Because everything ties into quarterback. Everything goes, it's just the nature of football. So then you only have one quarterback, so that disincentivizes trades because no one's trying to fight up to get one of the guys that they feel like they have to have. And then I think the other thing is, arguably the two best players in the draft have very special talents, to your point, like Jeremiah Love and Cale Downs, or have positions that are equivalent to one another in terms of how they're valued. Like safety is the running back of defense. It can put you over the top, it can be very impactful, but people are not gonna place it high on their priority chart.

Speaker 1:
[10:00] Yeah, I personally, I would love either one of those players.

Speaker 3:
[10:04] Yeah, it'd be fucking incredible.

Speaker 1:
[10:05] I think they're both awesome. I think there's a lot of good pass rushers, a lot of good defensive players in this draft. So like a great tight end in this draft too in Sadiq, I would say like an otherworldly talented like freak athlete in Sadiq. And then you've got some like three, maybe even four really, really good wide receivers too. So like, I don't-

Speaker 3:
[10:27] And there's some really good old linemen dude. I mean, you got the Utah boys, a huge, huge draft for Pacific Islander offensive linemen. I don't want to say Polynesians. I don't know if anybody's like Polynesian Simone, but people love kind of Pacific Island ascent. There's an old boy for Penn State who's like number one or two on Bruce Feldman's freak list every single year. Both the Utah guys, they're fantastic.

Speaker 1:
[10:57] There's a couple of guys from Africa that are like relatively new to the game. Really? That have put up numbers in their pro days that we haven't seen before. Like there's this one dude, I forget the guy's name, but I think he's number one in terms of the overall athletic profile of anybody that's been in the draft.

Speaker 3:
[11:17] Like the RAS thing?

Speaker 1:
[11:19] Yeah, so the guy's name, Yur Bernard, UAR, I'm not sure how you pronounce it. UAR, last name Bernard. He's a tackle from Nigeria, and on the raw athleticism scale, he scored a 9.9 out of 10. Good God. I would rank him 23rd out of 2,270 defensive tackles going back all the way to 1987.

Speaker 3:
[11:44] Wait a second, does that say six, how is this, is he 6'8? Does he, 6'8?

Speaker 1:
[11:51] You know, he's 6'4 and a half.

Speaker 3:
[11:53] Okay, 6'4 and a half, 308, 31 reps on the bench?

Speaker 1:
[11:56] Yeah, his 40 time is 4.63. He's got 6% body fat, and 10 foot, 10 inch broad jump. Now, I think that if he's really 6% body fat, I'm going to say that's, he doesn't have enough body fat. He should have more body fat than that.

Speaker 3:
[12:17] He's, I mean, wants to play O-line. He's, we got to give him a little fatter. But that is, that's the shit I was talking about, why the Shohei story is so cool, and why what he did on Jackie Robb today was so cool, is because now that we're drawing from more global talent pools, we are really pushing the limits of what DNA can accomplish. Like, because we are now drawing, like that guy would have been buried to time at any point in football up until right now. And then who knows if you do globalize even more, in two generations, the freaks that will be coming from all over the world and just pushing the limits of what the human body is capable of.

Speaker 1:
[12:58] That's insane. Especially once guys like this start to get opportunities and if they make a lot of money, then in the countries that they come from, that's going to be seen as a career path. And then kids are going to hone in and start working hard as youngsters, knowing that you can make a shitload of money in America if you just get your measurables up. And then, yeah, it will be like a global competition. It'll be like, who has the biggest freaks?

Speaker 3:
[13:23] Yeah, and again, that's how, like, Sherry Taney's born 100 years ago. He's not playing pro baseball. We never hear about him. And now he's the best baseball player that we've ever seen in our entire lives. I mean, look at the Dominican Republic, right? Don't guys get signed at like 12 and 13 years old down there to be like on MLB teams and getting their systems? Yep. So yeah, creates an incentivization pathway.

Speaker 1:
[13:48] I was reading up about that a few months ago about how like the breaking of the dam of Caribbean countries, South American countries when it comes to Major League Baseball players and the explosive growth that they've had in Major League Baseball over the last like 30, 40 years. I didn't realize this. There are some GMs that got in a lot of trouble because of how they were treating the kids that were coming up out of these countries that they would enter into like off the book agreements with some of these kids being like, hey, we will agree to help you lie about your age if you sign a contract with me and I get like a little bit of kickback from the first deal that we give you. So like actual Major League Baseball General Managers. We're doing that shit.

Speaker 2:
[14:43] The Braves GM, John Coppelella, he got banned for life.

Speaker 1:
[14:45] Yeah, really? Was he getting kickbacks?

Speaker 2:
[14:48] So Coppelella was kicked out of the sport in the fall of 2017 after his determined he had grossly violated rules related to the signings of international players. He later got reinstated, but he was like a wonderkin kind of guy. He became the GM when he was like 40 and his whole life he was like, I want to be a Major Baseball GM, like he went to school for that. And he was the GM when the Braves were really bad. And so he would do these Twitter like, fans loved him because he would go on Twitter and answer questions and be like, here's what I think about this. He would give like really good insight. And it turned out he was doing a bunch of stuff with international violations, signing guys before they could be signed and all sorts of stuff. So he got banned for life, but it was lifted later, but nobody's.

Speaker 3:
[15:34] I remember, so you ever listen to David Sampson from the Levitard Universities, the former Marlins president, and like now he's just like very open about everything that goes on. And I don't know if people had gone through with this or not, but he did relay conversations they were having about like, with these young pitching prospects out of these countries, like forcing them to have like preemptive Tommy John surgery and stuff like that, to just like go ahead and because you can kind of, because you have the upper hand and you can kind of manipulate to like make them, like, hey, look, you want to deal, we want to give you, but you got to do this.

Speaker 1:
[16:13] Yep.

Speaker 3:
[16:13] And then we'll give you the deal.

Speaker 1:
[16:15] Yeah, it was a big issue. Like Big T, I hadn't heard about the guy from the Braves. There was a guy from the Nationals that also got in trouble for that. But it was like a massive problem in baseball for a long time. And it just went like completely under the radar. Because if you were in a position where you could develop a pipeline and it was beneficial for both sides to lie about things, it was like, yeah, that's going to be a natural side effect. But yeah, Big T, T-Bob, to your point, just globalizing the sport and having the biggest possible talent pool, all trying to make it to the NFL, you're going to see more and more of these absolute freak show athletes.

Speaker 3:
[16:54] And all it takes is for one to do great, and then other teams will take a shot on a guy who's really raw as well. I always go back to, and it's funny because we had this conversation too about the Peyton Manning first season where he threw all the picks. Every quarterback comes afterwards, they throw a bunch of picks. Well, don't worry, Peyton did. Well, it's like Daniel Hunter. Daniel Hunter, the great pastor for the Tech. He only had four sacks in three years at LSU, but he was a physical monster. And then, so now it's like, OK, like, well, you see Keldrick Falk out there from Auburn, and he didn't do anything in college, but he's only 20. And he's an absolute physical, I mean, he scores off the charts today. I think we should take him here in the first round. We can make him right. I mean, Josh Allen's had this tale with him as well. So I hope that guy does really well, though, and starts to incentivize more of that.

Speaker 1:
[17:44] A complete hard pivot here, but there is one that went down in the crossroads of politics and sports yesterday that I wanted to get your guys' feedback on, because I have no fucking idea what's going on with this one. There was a man that had a confirmation hearing to be nominated to the Federal Reserve. And it was a man by the name of Kevin Warsh. So he was in DC the other day. He was getting grilled by Congress. He was Donald Trump's pick to be the new chair of the Federal Reserve. And so he had a confirmation hearing.

Speaker 2:
[18:21] Were you here? Were you not here when we interviewed... I apologize. What was the guy's name that we interviewed who talked a lot about Kevin Warsh?

Speaker 3:
[18:30] Oh, uh, were you here? Zach. Yes, the absolute best.

Speaker 2:
[18:36] Yeah, it was a great interview. I think you were gone.

Speaker 3:
[18:38] His brain is overflowing with information. It was Super Bowl. God, what's his Instagram?

Speaker 2:
[18:44] Yeah, but he...

Speaker 3:
[18:45] Zach Lodge?

Speaker 2:
[18:46] Something like that. Loft?

Speaker 3:
[18:47] Zachary Loft?

Speaker 2:
[18:48] That sounds right. You should go listen to that PFT, because he knows all about this guy.

Speaker 1:
[18:52] Okay, so I don't know anything. I don't know the first thing about this guy. But I do know that sitting behind him at the confirmation hearing on TV was Larry Fitzgerald for some reason. I didn't see that. Look at this picture. Larry Fitzgerald is just kind of there, like, showing support to his boy. I assume it's his boy. They shook hands, had a friendly moment before the testimony. I don't know what Larry Fitzgerald is up to. He's always seemed like a... Larry's always seemed like a smart guy that kind of, like, moves in silence a little bit, which I kind of respect about the guy. I feel like he's a calculated, intelligent person that...

Speaker 3:
[19:30] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[19:31] But he's up to something. And I got to find out what Larry Fitzgerald is up to.

Speaker 3:
[19:35] So a quick Twitter search in looking at comments and somebody asking this very question has a screenshot from a Google search. Yes, retired NFL superstar Larry Fitzgerald has a significant background in finance, investing and business education. Following his 17th season career, he enrolled at Harvard Business School, interned at JP Morgan during his playing days, and co-founded Trenches Capital with a portfolio spanning over 160 startups. So he swims in these waters, I guess.

Speaker 1:
[20:04] I guess so. I've said, I think for the last 10 years, Larry Fitzgerald will be a senator. I have no doubt, zero doubt, he is going to run for Senate. I'm even going to skip past Congress. I feel like he's going to just jump right into a Senate race and he'll probably get elected.

Speaker 3:
[20:21] But did he go down, do you think the finance route will lead to the Senate? Or has he gone down the route of the oligarch? Is he going to be a PE guy, big hedge fund guy?

Speaker 1:
[20:31] He might make his money and then after he gets like $3 billion, be like, you know what? I'm going to dedicate myself to public service and then kind of do that.

Speaker 3:
[20:39] And by dedicate myself to public service, you mean dedicate myself to getting an office and enacting laws that allow me to keep more of my $3 billion.

Speaker 1:
[20:45] Yeah, and also like help your boys. You know, help your boys out a little bit. So who knows? But he's a smart calculating guy. I don't know. It was just a very funny visual to see Larry Fitzgerald sitting out. Like if you were to ask me where in the world would he be?

Speaker 3:
[21:00] So I vaguely remember a few months ago, the Federal Reserve chair coming out with a video and talking about how Trump was basically out to get him and was arrested and so he's out now.

Speaker 1:
[21:10] No, I think he's still in.

Speaker 3:
[21:11] Oh, okay.

Speaker 1:
[21:12] But he has the ability to walk away on his own terms.

Speaker 3:
[21:18] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[21:18] I forget exactly how the Fed nomination replacement process works, but I think he's got a runway where he can pretty much stay on as long as he wants if he doesn't want to give up his spot. Then I think after he leaves, I forget the details. Obviously, I'm not like an expert when it comes to this stuff. But when you step down, you can then transition to being a board member of the Fed if you want to. And so he's... It's something to do with the power that he has. Even if he were to step down, he would still have a lot of power when it came to who his successor might be.

Speaker 3:
[21:55] Still be in the mix?

Speaker 1:
[21:55] This guy holds a lot of the cards. Powell holds a lot of the cards.

Speaker 3:
[21:58] Even over... But I thought he was getting sworn in.

Speaker 1:
[22:01] This is a confirmation hearing, yeah, for this person. But I just know that unless something new has happened, Powell held a lot of cards. Because otherwise, Trump's wanted him gone for like the last three years, even when he wasn't president. So like when he came back, Trump would have just been like, OK, this guy's fired if he wanted to.

Speaker 3:
[22:21] But it's got to be a crazy feeling to have the eye of the Donald Trump machine stare in your direction.

Speaker 1:
[22:30] Yeah, but I mean, he's got a lot of eyes now. He's got a lot of eyes going in a lot of different directions. That's true. Like there's a few people that are under that same watch. So you just keep hoping that he stays distracted with somebody else, I think. I would think that like...

Speaker 3:
[22:45] A dog with too many tennis balls.

Speaker 1:
[22:47] Yeah, like once every couple months when there's like an inflation report that comes out, you know that that's going to be the day that Donald's going to be looking at your job. But then, you know, in between that, he's got a lot of a lot of other irons and a lot of other fires.

Speaker 2:
[23:02] I have another pivot of something that needs to be taken care of, like right now.

Speaker 1:
[23:05] Okay, yeah. Let's take care of it.

Speaker 2:
[23:06] Chili's is in the office making their new chicken sandwiches right now. Like they're cooking them here.

Speaker 1:
[23:12] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[23:12] And it smells like delicious chilies. What are we going to do about that?

Speaker 1:
[23:16] It does smell really good.

Speaker 4:
[23:17] Does it smell great?

Speaker 2:
[23:19] I mean, should I should I go scout and see?

Speaker 1:
[23:21] You can go.

Speaker 4:
[23:21] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[23:22] See what the deal is.

Speaker 1:
[23:23] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[23:23] We take we take 10.

Speaker 1:
[23:25] You can go scout.

Speaker 2:
[23:26] Y'all keep talking.

Speaker 3:
[23:27] Check your reconnaissance mission. Do reconnaissance.

Speaker 1:
[23:30] I'm trying to be healthy if I can. Turn over a new leaf. Just is it fried chicken?

Speaker 3:
[23:37] I'm just going to say I'm hoping it is. It better be fried chicken. Like there's no way you're hyping up the launch of a grilled chicken sandwich. Grilled chicken sandwiches are fine.

Speaker 1:
[23:45] Right.

Speaker 3:
[23:45] Right.

Speaker 1:
[23:45] But you're not. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[23:46] I'll also say this. I got a peek of the menu that they had when I was coming in here. And there are chicken crispers and I believe mozzarella sticks.

Speaker 3:
[23:56] I did see just giant bags of queso being dumped into aluminum containers as well.

Speaker 1:
[24:07] I feel like that meme of I believe it's Jesus who's like praying and like looking upward for strength while there's that that harlot next to him hiking your skirt up.

Speaker 4:
[24:17] And Chili's is the harlot.

Speaker 3:
[24:19] Oh, you think that's Jesus? I've always thought that was just a monk.

Speaker 1:
[24:23] Oh, you thought it was a doctor?

Speaker 3:
[24:24] I just thought it was a random...

Speaker 1:
[24:27] Yeah, just a random pious man.

Speaker 3:
[24:29] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A monk being tempted in his stone castle after eight hours or 14 hours of writing manuscripts.

Speaker 1:
[24:38] Yeah. I would absolutely love some chili. I'm trying to get healthy though. I'm trying to, I'm walking more. I'm trying to get my steps above 10,000 every day.

Speaker 4:
[24:47] Did you walk here today?

Speaker 1:
[24:49] So, okay.

Speaker 3:
[24:50] It's kind of a time thing at a certain point.

Speaker 1:
[24:52] It is. Last week, I said I was developing, I was trying to start a new habit, walk into work on Wednesdays, right?

Speaker 3:
[24:59] Walk to work Wednesdays.

Speaker 1:
[25:00] It takes me about like 50 minutes to an hour to walk here if the weather is nice. Unfortunately, last Wednesday morning, it was very rainy. There was a big storm, so I couldn't do it. And then I was going to this morning also, but then I got to go play golf later on, so I have to drive to the golf course. So I couldn't walk, but I...

Speaker 3:
[25:18] But you're going to get your steps in at the course. You're going to carry your back.

Speaker 1:
[25:21] I am. Well, I'm going to be outdoors.

Speaker 3:
[25:24] Yeah, you're going to be outdoors. You'll be walking from the cart to the shop.

Speaker 1:
[25:29] It's not exactly a close walk from the practice screen to the first day, so I'll have to do that one. But yeah, I had every intention of walking to work, but I feel like walking is a very... It's a sneaky way of getting in shape and losing weight. Yeah, people always think like run, go for a run. That's fine, that's good, but the heart rate zones that you're in when you're doing strenuous cardio, not always the best for fat burning.

Speaker 3:
[25:55] Very painful as well.

Speaker 1:
[25:56] Very painful.

Speaker 3:
[25:56] Like it just hurts, walking doesn't hurt. That's something that I really miss pre-morning show when I was here, was because I wasn't strict on my time in the morning, I could take the train in and the walk from the OTC to here was about 40 minutes. And so I was catching like a solid 45 minute walk. I don't want to pay for an Uber, so I was catching like a solid 40, 45 minute walk every day to start the day and felt great.

Speaker 1:
[26:22] Yeah, walking is a very underrated part of a healthy lifestyle. I'm trying to get back into the walking game.

Speaker 3:
[26:29] Big T, what's the...

Speaker 2:
[26:30] They were still setting it up. They weren't going to let me take one.

Speaker 3:
[26:33] Well, I mean, give me a picture. What did it look like?

Speaker 2:
[26:36] Oh, it's amazing out there. They got everything. They have the chicken sandwiches. They have mozzarella sticks. They have chicken crispers. They have chips. They have everything. And they wouldn't let me take anything. They were setting it up.

Speaker 3:
[26:49] I told my wife that I loved her for the first time in front of the Chili's back in high school.

Speaker 2:
[26:53] It's beautiful.

Speaker 3:
[26:54] Yeah, we were kind of doing a, well, they won't they thing. She had just gone to a country concert without me.

Speaker 2:
[27:02] What concert?

Speaker 3:
[27:04] I don't know, some country fest back in Georgia. And we were going through it. And then out of nowhere, I finally just told her that I loved her.

Speaker 2:
[27:13] Where was the Chili's? I may have been there.

Speaker 3:
[27:16] Duluth. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[27:19] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[27:20] Probably Duluth area. Maybe like Norcross area. Might be the one by school. I don't exactly remember the Chili's. Yeah, she did.

Speaker 1:
[27:26] Okay, nice.

Speaker 3:
[27:26] She did. She did. And that was when we like, we stopped all the hemming and hawing and really got on with the relationship. So nothing like a little spinach artichoke dip to...

Speaker 1:
[27:38] It's where romance happens.

Speaker 3:
[27:39] Yeah, to really open up the heart.

Speaker 1:
[27:42] That's nice. I like that.

Speaker 2:
[27:44] I think I have, when you said Norcross, is it like... I think I have been to this Chili's Inn. This is more Peachtree Corner or something.

Speaker 1:
[27:52] Is it romantic? Is it sexy Chili's?

Speaker 2:
[27:54] That's a good area. It's a good Chili's.

Speaker 1:
[27:56] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[27:56] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[27:57] We used to love, yeah, I don't know, Chili's was always, that was like our date spot early on.

Speaker 1:
[28:02] A lot of towns have two Chili's. They got the good one, they got the bad one. I think that's important actually. I think that's the sign of a healthy chain restaurant, is if you can have two different franchise locations in the same town or same city, and then one that people get excited to go to.

Speaker 2:
[28:19] I think in the south, that's Sonic.

Speaker 1:
[28:21] Yeah, there's a good Sonic.

Speaker 2:
[28:22] There's always a good and bad Sonic.

Speaker 3:
[28:23] I mean, bro, I don't know about good and bad, but there's a Waffle House every 100 yards, seemingly in Atlanta.

Speaker 2:
[28:31] But all Waffle High are more or less the same.

Speaker 3:
[28:36] No, I agree with that. That's what I'm saying. I think it factors into the good and bad thing, but it always shocked me at the demand. But I mean, I love Waffle House, so I guess I shouldn't say shocked, but I remember literally by my school, they were not 200 yards between these two Waffle Houses, and they both were there my entire life.

Speaker 2:
[28:53] Have you seen Kennesaw State's baseball field?

Speaker 3:
[28:55] No.

Speaker 2:
[28:55] There's a Waffle House in Wright Field. You could hit a home run into the Waffle House.

Speaker 3:
[29:00] Oh man. Getting a bacon Texas cheesesteak double plate smothered covered with vanilla coke and a waffle on the side while watching the boys hit.

Speaker 2:
[29:08] I love that.

Speaker 1:
[29:09] Yeah, it sounds amazing. We got some slight breaking news here. Spirit Airlines looks like it might be taken over by the federal government. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[29:19] Well, I saw they were maybe just gonna shut down.

Speaker 1:
[29:22] Yeah, they were gonna shut down. They were in danger of like, I don't know, how do you say closing their doors when it comes to an airline? They're in danger of being grounded permanently. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[29:32] How do I say you would know?

Speaker 1:
[29:33] Yeah. And then Trump stepped in and they're looking to issue a rescue package to Spirit Airlines, up to $500 million for Spirit. They're still negotiating the terms of it right now. But they say that it's an advanced talks right now for nationalization of Spirit Airlines.

Speaker 3:
[29:53] I learned something interesting. I wish you could remember her name. There's this nerdy girl who did theme park reviews, but they were just like incredibly good critiques, essentially, and very intelligent and everything. And she was comparing, I think, like a cruise or something to how Spirit prices. And I didn't realize that Spirit's not really cheaper than other airlines. It's just that they charge by the amenity.

Speaker 2:
[30:23] You want a seat, that's an extra $19. You want to bring a bag, that's an extra $30.

Speaker 3:
[30:27] Yeah, like they break it down very granularly, and they make you ask the question of, okay, what can I sacrifice in order to make this flight work?

Speaker 2:
[30:37] And then you're flying on a worse airline for more or less the same amount of money.

Speaker 3:
[30:41] Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So kind of the myth of Spirit was a bit broken to me when that door was opened to my brain.

Speaker 1:
[30:47] Yeah, but if you're willing to just get on a plane with the clothes on your back and that's it, then yeah, it can be definitely worth the price. But yeah, if you want to water, if you want to use a restroom.

Speaker 2:
[30:59] I don't think it's ever worth the price. I wouldn't fly on Spirit for free.

Speaker 1:
[31:02] What if you're doing a day trip? What if you're like...

Speaker 2:
[31:04] I would not fly on Spirit for free.

Speaker 1:
[31:06] For free.

Speaker 2:
[31:07] There's an amount of money you could potentially pay me to do it, but I would not do it for free.

Speaker 1:
[31:11] That's an interesting business model, the airline that pays you.

Speaker 3:
[31:16] The Spirit terminals at a destination city are always fantastic to people. Watch the amount of... In New Orleans, the amount of bachelor and bachelorette parties, just young people, obviously in college, no money whatsoever just pouring out of there with a backpack and just ready to get hammered. It put me in a good mood seeing them because they were generally always super excited to party and be there.

Speaker 1:
[31:40] The Spirit... You'll never see a happier group of people in a Spirit flight that lands at Las Vegas. You'll never see a depressed group of people in your life then gathering around the gate for a Spirit flight leaving from Las Vegas.

Speaker 2:
[31:54] Yeah, that's got to be brutal. Like 80% of the fight videos you see on airplanes are on Spirit.

Speaker 1:
[32:02] Yeah, a lot of them.

Speaker 2:
[32:02] Maybe Frontier.

Speaker 1:
[32:03] A lot of them. But that's the safest place to get into a fight, is at the airport. No one's going to have a weapon. You've already gone through security.

Speaker 2:
[32:09] Well, we went over that recently.

Speaker 1:
[32:11] Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3:
[32:13] What happened?

Speaker 2:
[32:15] The TSA did an inside job of trying to sneak weapons through to see how efficient they were, and like 70% of them got through.

Speaker 3:
[32:25] So that is something that I think they got away from it. But the New Orleans Airport, which by the way, when they redid that, that's actually one of the best things I've ever seen done in my life in terms of like, wow, this is a massive improvement. It's awesome now. But at the very beginning, they had a display case with all the weapons they were snatching up. And all I found myself was, I was like, wow, I'm very disconcerted about the amount of weapons that people are sneaking on here.

Speaker 2:
[32:47] Knoxville has pictures of them as you wait in the line. We recovered this nine millimeter.

Speaker 3:
[32:53] I didn't like that at all. I think that's one of those ignorance is bliss situations.

Speaker 2:
[33:00] I think most of them are probably people who forgot they were in there. I would imagine. Now, I'm sure there are people with nefarious intent, but like you just forget that you have a knife in there. You think your gun is in your checked luggage, but it's in that one.

Speaker 3:
[33:18] Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I mean, I'm sure there's explanatory factors.

Speaker 1:
[33:24] Yeah. The Knoxville one is it's special. It really is.

Speaker 3:
[33:27] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[33:27] You've been there.

Speaker 1:
[33:28] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[33:28] You snake through the line and it's like, here's a gun we got. Here's these six knives.

Speaker 1:
[33:33] They're all from the last two months too. It's not like they're showing pictures from like five years ago. It's like, yeah, this one was yesterday.

Speaker 2:
[33:39] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[33:39] Somebody brought a revolver through T Bob. I want to get to your expanded thoughts on some. I saw you tweet about this yesterday. I talked a little bit about it on PMT to big news coming out of England.

Speaker 3:
[33:50] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[33:50] Big news. The nanny state, the country that's famous for Mary Poppins has turned into a true nanny state. Now you're not allowed to buy cigarettes there if you were born after 2008.

Speaker 3:
[34:03] Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[34:04] Ever.

Speaker 3:
[34:05] For your lifetime ban on purchasing cigarettes. And I guess you could still smoke them based on that language, but they're going to make it hard. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2:
[34:16] Well, not eventually.

Speaker 3:
[34:18] Yeah, not eventually.

Speaker 2:
[34:19] They'll go away.

Speaker 1:
[34:20] So now you can either in England, they will throw you in jail if you buy a cigarette or if you make a Facebook post referring to a cigarette online.

Speaker 3:
[34:32] In a different term. This feels like...

Speaker 2:
[34:34] They'll go to jail way longer for the Facebook post.

Speaker 3:
[34:36] I was going to say, this feels like red meat to all the people that want to yell about governmental overreach in England and whatnot. But like, this feels like overreach. I don't know. It kind of feels unenforceable. It just also feels like it feels like prohibition. Yeah, which I thought we all learned the lesson. But that's what I'm saying. But like, I just assume that we held these truths to be self-evident, like that shit's not going to work.

Speaker 2:
[35:01] No, that's us.

Speaker 3:
[35:02] Human beings fucking love tobacco.

Speaker 2:
[35:04] We notably, we used to be them, and then we said, we don't like this.

Speaker 3:
[35:09] Okay, okay. So we learned that they haven't had their prohibition moment yet?

Speaker 1:
[35:13] Those truths are not self-evident to them.

Speaker 3:
[35:16] Oh yeah, that was the point.

Speaker 2:
[35:16] You're right.

Speaker 3:
[35:17] They were to us. That's why. Okay, that makes sense then. No, look, I just...

Speaker 1:
[35:22] That most men are created equal was the next line.

Speaker 3:
[35:25] And I don't think that like, I don't want to encourage anybody to smoke cigarettes. I think you can't have a healthy relationship with them. Like, I'm someone who deeply loves tobacco in all forms, and I do enjoy cigarettes. I don't allow myself them daily. I probably have about one cigarette a week. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2:
[35:48] I didn't know that.

Speaker 3:
[35:48] Oh dude, if you're like Friday night, long great day with the fam, everybody's in bed now, you go get you a whiskey, burn a heater, it's one of the all-time good feelings.

Speaker 2:
[36:03] What does a cigarette do for you?

Speaker 3:
[36:04] Get a little tobacco rush, nicotine rush.

Speaker 2:
[36:07] Is it like, what does it feel like?

Speaker 3:
[36:11] Get a little tobacco buzz, you ever take in a dip?

Speaker 2:
[36:13] No.

Speaker 1:
[36:14] A little bit lightheaded but energized?

Speaker 3:
[36:18] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[36:18] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[36:19] Like excited but lightheaded?

Speaker 2:
[36:20] So the opposite of alcohol.

Speaker 1:
[36:22] Yeah, but sometimes they work in concert with each other.

Speaker 3:
[36:24] No, I mean that's peanut butter and jelly. Now that's my problem is that because I love tobacco so much, I can get on a drinking binge where then if I'm like staying up late, talking to the homies outside and we're just shooting the shit, I'll drink four bottles of wine and smoke a pack of cigarettes and just ruin my life for 48 hours. But back to back to back. But it feels so good. It feels so good in the moment.

Speaker 1:
[36:49] It does. I'm not a smoker. I do smoke from time to time. If it's indoors or if it's out of state, those are my two polices.

Speaker 3:
[36:58] Yeah, indoor smoking you have to take advantage of.

Speaker 1:
[37:00] And it's fun. It's a little treat for myself.

Speaker 2:
[37:02] I think if you smoke at certain times, you're a smoker.

Speaker 1:
[37:05] I disagree. No, no. See, that sounds like somebody that's not a smoker.

Speaker 3:
[37:10] Right.

Speaker 2:
[37:11] But you said you weren't a smoker.

Speaker 1:
[37:12] Correct.

Speaker 2:
[37:13] Yeah. But now there's a differentiation between myself.

Speaker 3:
[37:15] Yeah, I kind of feel like I'm not a smoker.

Speaker 1:
[37:17] Yeah, you're not.

Speaker 3:
[37:17] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[37:18] But Big T is not. He doesn't understand the difference between being a smoker and not a smoker.

Speaker 2:
[37:21] There certainly is a difference in someone who smokes a pack of cigarettes and what y'all are describing.

Speaker 1:
[37:26] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[37:26] But so where do you draw the line?

Speaker 1:
[37:29] I guess I'm not addicted to cigarettes. I don't feel the need to ever have one.

Speaker 2:
[37:35] You have to need them to be a smoker.

Speaker 1:
[37:37] Yeah, I am fully in control of when I have a cigarette. Like if I want to smoke a cigarette because I'm at a casino in Las Vegas and goddamn it, it smells really good in there, then I can have a cigarette. Shoot, I can have 10 cigarettes that night if I want to. And the next morning, I'll wake up and I will not have the need to smoke another cigarette until the next time I'm back there.

Speaker 2:
[37:58] I actually think you just perfectly unknowingly described what a smoker is.

Speaker 1:
[38:03] What?

Speaker 2:
[38:03] If you think cigarettes smell good, you're a smoker.

Speaker 1:
[38:06] In the right environment, they do.

Speaker 2:
[38:07] I think if you think cigarettes smell good, you're a smoker.

Speaker 1:
[38:09] In the right environment, the cigarette smells delicious.

Speaker 2:
[38:12] See, I don't agree. I don't think they've ever smelled good.

Speaker 1:
[38:14] No, it's a context thing, Big T. It's a complete context thing.

Speaker 2:
[38:19] But there's no context in which I would enjoy the smell of cigarettes.

Speaker 1:
[38:22] Yeah, because you're not a smoker.

Speaker 2:
[38:24] Precisely. You're nailing it.

Speaker 3:
[38:27] Yeah. You got to have a little affinity for the feeling and taste to appreciate the smoke. But yeah, I mean, again, it's fantastic. So look, I thought it was an Onion headline. I saw it on Polymarket.

Speaker 1:
[38:42] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[38:42] It's Twitter. I was like, this can't be real. And then sure enough, I go look at the BBC.

Speaker 1:
[38:46] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[38:48] I don't know how it's well, I guess I do know how to. But like economically, how did this pass? Because this feels like a huge. Well, not only I don't know how parliament works. I'm surprised there's not lobbies that could have fought this off, like because we know how powerful tobacco lobby can be here. But beyond that, like they don't know. It's not bad for like gas stations over there and stuff.

Speaker 1:
[39:09] Right. They don't grow it. So they they import it. The people that would be most affected would be, yeah, like the convenience store owners or whatever they call it. The Tesco. Yeah. If you go down to the petrol station, those people that run those places, they would probably sell fewer and fewer. But for a long time, they've had by far the most graphic warnings on their packs of cigarettes over there. Like if you want to buy a pack of cigarettes in England, they will sell it to you and it will have like a biopsy of a cancer-riddled lung. So you have to look at when you buy it.

Speaker 3:
[39:39] I have found that that is everywhere but the US. Because it's in Mexico. When I went on my honeymoon, I bought some in New Zealand. I bought some in Greece a few years later. And every other country has the most horrific visual images of what smoking does to you to try to disincentivize you.

Speaker 1:
[39:56] Because it does. It does. It fucks you up. I mean, a few different things can be true at the same time. If you are a habitual smoker, a lifetime smoker, it can absolutely destroy your body in some grotesque, awful ways, heartbreaking ways. It's super unhealthy if you are a lifetime smoker. But also if people get into smoking knowing the risk, like is that their decision to make as an adult?

Speaker 3:
[40:21] It should be your decision to make.

Speaker 1:
[40:23] Now some people, you can make the argument back in the day that the tobacco companies lied about how addictive their product was. In fact, saying it wasn't addictive at all, even though they knew that it was. And so you could say, hey, they tricked people into getting addicted to their product, which then ended up killing them. That's fucked up. Now I think everybody understands that nicotine is addictive and it's something that if you start doing, you might not be able to stop that easily. So now it's like you're making more of an informed decision, but like we should have the right to do stupid shit to our body as long as it doesn't affect anybody else.

Speaker 3:
[40:58] Yeah, I think that, okay, how was I going to frame this? I think that one of the reasons why, because like when we were being raised, it was hardcore anti-cigarette, right? But it's because for so many generations, we had been actively lied to and marketed to have like, this is actually healthy for you. Like this is good. Like you actually need this. So yeah, we had to course correct. But we almost went a bit too far. And now as an adult, I've realized, okay, I think you actually can have a relatively healthy relationship with smoking.

Speaker 1:
[41:36] I think some people can, for sure. I know that I can. But it sounds like you can't.

Speaker 3:
[41:41] I can dabble in gambling like I do. But some people just have that urge. But I don't feel the urge to like gamble 24-7 or anything.

Speaker 1:
[41:48] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[41:48] But if you are someone who does, then you got to be more wary then you got to try to watch yourself a little bit.

Speaker 1:
[41:52] Right. If you know that you have the type of personality that can get addicted to that sort of thing, then yeah, keep an eye on it. But yeah, I understand that also from like a public health standpoint, you will save a lot of money on not having to deal with all the associated diseases that go along with a population.

Speaker 3:
[42:13] Oh, that's an interesting incident that I hadn't considered.

Speaker 1:
[42:15] Right. So that's why I don't think that it's the place of the government to like tell you what you can and can't do if you're an adult. As long as it doesn't affect anybody else and yeah, sure, sometimes cigarette smoke like secondhand smoke is not good for people that are around it. But also like as a public health big picture thing with the society, if you have a population that is dealing with lung cancer, emphysema, all this other stuff, asthma rates being really high, and you get rid of all those different diseases, then you have a lot more money saved in like your healthcare coffers. And you're not giving treatment to millions of people that are afflicted with smoking related diseases. So I understand that. But then I saw some people online being like, that's actually pretty fucked up because now the country is going to have to spend more money on their senior citizens, because they're going to have more people living to be older. So now you're going to have a lot of 90 and 100 year olds walking around sucking up all the healthcare instead of killing them off when they're 70.

Speaker 3:
[43:19] I'm probably not the best, well, I mean, I guess not, maybe not. I think I'm also biased in this conversation because I'm someone who is very open to the idea that all drugs should be legalized and you should treat it more from a treatment perspective versus a punishment perspective. I know that I used to be like real into this idea years and years ago. And I think Portugal had some like fascinating results where once they legalized all drugs, like incarcerations went down, like overdoses went down, like addiction went down, and it actually had a lot of positivity. I know some of those Scandinavian countries, if you're like addicted to heroin, can't you go in and get like methadone injections or something?

Speaker 1:
[44:01] Methadone treatment, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:02] You can do that here.

Speaker 1:
[44:04] Not every, I don't think every place has.

Speaker 2:
[44:05] I don't know what methadone is, but we have like, we famously talked about this on the show one time, like injection sites.

Speaker 1:
[44:12] Yeah, but methadone is like a treatment to help you get off narcotics.

Speaker 3:
[44:18] I guess I'm just a kind of believer in, educate me on the effects and the risks and then let me make my own decision, but throughout some prayers, I'll burn one down for all the 17-year-olds over the end of UK.

Speaker 2:
[44:34] There's other drug news today that's broken in the last hour or so.

Speaker 1:
[44:38] More drug news? No.

Speaker 2:
[44:40] Trump is expected to reclassify marijuana as soon as today.

Speaker 1:
[44:44] Okay. As what? As awesome?

Speaker 3:
[44:47] As not a drug?

Speaker 2:
[44:48] I think I saw schedule three.

Speaker 1:
[44:49] Okay. That's great. That's great. I've wanted this for a long time. I think I said when he was running for re-election, he should just say, I'm going to declassify cannabis away from being schedule one and put together a health care plan. He would absolutely clean Joe Biden's clock in the election. This is good development if he actually does it.

Speaker 3:
[45:13] So a bigger number means it's less penalized, like schedule one versus two versus three. So can we get a number? Is there another example? Oh, wait, what were you saying, PFT?

Speaker 1:
[45:23] Schedule one, that's what marijuana was. That means that you can't even do medical studies with it. You can't even like under the strictest supervision, you can't experiment with it, you can't do anything, which is ridiculous that marijuana was ever there.

Speaker 2:
[45:39] Schedule three drugs or substances with a moderate to low potential for physical and psychological dependence with accepted medical uses. Common examples include anabolic steroids, testosterone, ketamine and products with low doses of codeine. What are the... I hear y'all talk about ketamine a lot.

Speaker 1:
[45:57] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[45:58] I've never heard. What are the benefits of ketamine?

Speaker 1:
[46:02] So ketamine, I guess historically has been looked at as a party drug, which is why it's been illegal for a long time, but there's a lot of therapeutic uses for it. So like they use it to treat PTSD, some addictions, and just to do talk therapy sometimes, to get people to open up, explore like things in their past or deep inside their psyche that have been troubling them. And there have been like a lot of promising studies that come out about ketamine recently. But it also has the potential to like... If you abuse it and use it as a party drug, it can mess you up for a long time. So there's that. And then there's Ibogaine, which I believe Trump just... That's the thing that he signed with Joe Rogan in the Oval Office the other day, which is a treatment. I don't want to like say it's the wrong... I believe it's a psychedelic, and it's used to treat PTSD and also help people recover from addiction to things like opiates. So you can take a dose of it, and people have reported that like if you have two doses or have treatment twice, that you have a much, much higher likelihood of being able to quit things like heroin than you would if you just went cold turkey.

Speaker 3:
[47:12] Damn. I know that. I was going to say just like the Academy and stuff, I know that there's been a lot of positive studies in terms of psychedelics treating PTSD and those same things. And as someone who is like a fan of psychedelics, I believe that... Or I guess I don't want to pay him with such a broad brush. I enjoy mushrooms quite a bit. Not often, maybe once, twice a year. And I could see how that could be the case. Because I think you really can use it in a very mentally healthy way.

Speaker 1:
[47:50] Yeah, you definitely can. I think... It's also very funny to see like Trump doing this stuff that is enormously popular, that people want. And I think it's also a little bit transparent that he's doing it because his favorability ratings are so far underwater right now that he's trying to get people back on his side. But it goes to show you that any president could have done this. It just took one guy that needed to be loved.

Speaker 3:
[48:16] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[48:16] That's like, okay, I'll give you what you want if you guys will start to like me again. We've wanted this and it's a good thing that he's doing it. But the vast majority of America has wanted this for decades. Going back to when I was in high school, it was like, why do we have all these people in prison for marijuana?

Speaker 3:
[48:37] It's, yeah, I mean, there's a million things to that you could be upset with the president about and a very number of things, I guess, depending on what you align with politically, but like the thing that remains the eternal truth and the most common man feeling is just inflation. I mean, it's like, it's the same thing that when Joe Biden's time was up and the new election was coming up, like even I, who'm not a fan at all of Trump politically, already the inflation was pissing me off so much that even I was on the minds that, you know what? Like, fuck it. Like, I don't care. Just make it better. Just make it better. If you say you like it, you say, okay, this is not working. Just make it fucking better. Well, it just could take like, it just sucks, man. I don't know. It just, it just, you feel like it everywhere you go. Everything you do, everything you pay for. And obviously gas prices recently have exacerbated it and made it feel even worse. But it's just, I don't know. It's the worst. I guess you read about like hyperinflation and things like that growing up. Yeah. It's a hell of a thing to get to be an adult providing for a family and live through it. Very fun.

Speaker 1:
[49:52] It's like every month is, it's worse.

Speaker 3:
[49:54] Yeah. And where's the hope that the toothpaste could ever get put back in the tube?

Speaker 1:
[50:00] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[50:01] Like where is it? No, no, no. Gas is different because gas can be very malleable. In terms like the prices can drop if something favorable happens. But like when's the last time you saw your favorite burrito go back down a dollar?

Speaker 1:
[50:15] Never, never. It's yeah. Once you that's so true that like at any sort of like consumer facing store or restaurant, the prices aren't going down.

Speaker 3:
[50:26] No, once it's proven they're going to pay.

Speaker 2:
[50:29] COVID everything was jacked up because they were, oh, the supply chain. Yeah, it's we can't get anything. And then once COVID was over, although it's still not over, still in a pandemic.

Speaker 3:
[50:38] It's called long COVID, T, look at it.

Speaker 2:
[50:41] I have. I mean, they have no incentive to ever bring prices back down, so they just didn't.

Speaker 1:
[50:47] Yeah, I had a doctor's appointment the other day. I got prescribed a medicine and the guy was like, you know what? It's we've got some supply chain issues due to COVID. I realized that that was six years ago.

Speaker 2:
[50:59] You're kidding.

Speaker 1:
[51:00] But yeah, no, he goes, I realized that was six years ago, but they're still telling us that they have a much harder time getting the drug now. So you might have to go around to a couple of different pharmacies and see who has this in stock. I was like, okay, it wasn't even like a drug that is like commonly, it wasn't because you always hear about like the Adderall and like the Benzo shortages. It wasn't, it was like a common antibiotic. And he was like, yeah, we don't, you know, the supply chain.

Speaker 2:
[51:27] Wouldn't that be their job to call the pharmacies and see who has it so they could send it to that pharmacy and then you would go?

Speaker 1:
[51:34] It's just a crap shoot. And so he's like, I've had good luck with this pharmacy. And so I hit up the pharmacy and I was like, hey, do you guys have this? And they're like, you're actually in luck. We did just get a new shipment in. Oh, but yeah, but in the past, it's like, yeah, it's hit or miss. And it's because of COVID six years. We can get Jerry on to talk about that COVID is, it's a great excuse. Like hotels, hotels will never be the same after COVID. Like a lot of places they don't have, they don't have room service anymore because of COVID.

Speaker 2:
[52:02] Really?

Speaker 1:
[52:03] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[52:04] Oh, that's terrible. It became, it reminds me of the old-

Speaker 1:
[52:07] It's like, excuse, if you wanted to make a change to your business, you can make whatever change you wanted and just blame it on COVID.

Speaker 3:
[52:13] It's the old, I don't know who said it, but it's the old political quote, never let a good tragedy go to waste.

Speaker 1:
[52:18] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[52:19] It's not that you caused it or wanted it, but you can accomplish something with it. And yeah, cost cutting was huge. I think, was it, oh, shit, I forgot. It was something about the, it was kind of along the same lines as the hotels cutting out. Oh, one of my favorite things is like seeing the vestiges of COVID nestled in the little nooks and crannies of the business, like the doggy, the doggy babysitting place I like bring my dog to whenever I leave town for a few days. Their voicemail is still, please practice social distancing, wear your mask. And it's all, it's kind of a fun little nostalgic throwback.

Speaker 2:
[53:00] It was the perfect excuse to not do something.

Speaker 3:
[53:03] Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:
[53:04] Oh, so my girlfriend has COVID. So like I've probably, I just probably shouldn't go. Like, and, and I even used that for a while. Oh yeah. But now, I mean, you look like it and you just gotta be like, I'm not, I'm not going.

Speaker 3:
[53:19] So when we had, when we had our first kid that wasn't COVID, so it was great, you know, a ton of people come in, all your family, friends, coming in through the doors and it could be like a little overwhelming. And second kid was April 2020 and it was incredible. Not a single soul in there. Just got to completely relax in the hospital for like three days, hang out with the new kid. Nobody bugging you, no overwhelming family. It would have been bummer if it was the first, you know, whatever. But yeah, it was, that was actually a nice little benefit.

Speaker 1:
[53:49] That is nice. I think it was last year, two years ago. Two years ago, I was sick when I was out in Lake Tahoe and I got back and I was like coughing a lot. So I finally tested after I got back and I had COVID and I had some friends that were coming to visit that next weekend. And so I hit them up. I'm like, hey, just so you know, I just tested. I feel like I'm getting better, but I still very much have COVID. So I tested positive and they were like, yeah, we don't care.

Speaker 3:
[54:16] That ain't getting you out there.

Speaker 1:
[54:18] They just came to Chicago and we had a great weekend together. And it's like, yeah, OK. We've all been we've all been like immunized in the words of Aaron Rodgers. So and we're all young and relatively healthy. So we'll just take our chance. We're not going to like COVID run our lives, right?

Speaker 3:
[54:32] Yeah. The the the wiping down of groceries was the worst. When when the when it was kind of at its highest, I just remember sitting in my garage and wiping down individual bananas. Like what with what is it like a Clorox, right?

Speaker 2:
[54:48] You were putting chemicals on bananas.

Speaker 3:
[54:50] Look, I don't know, dude.

Speaker 4:
[54:51] You know, I eat the outside.

Speaker 3:
[54:53] Yeah, you don't eat the peel.

Speaker 2:
[54:53] I mean, I'm sure it's got a I was fighting COVID. There has to be something.

Speaker 3:
[54:57] I was I was the first line of defense to keep it out the house.

Speaker 1:
[54:59] Oh, man. The people that were like buying pallets of hand sanitizer and then try to flip those on Amazon.

Speaker 3:
[55:04] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[55:05] According, according all the PPE.

Speaker 3:
[55:07] I feel like, yeah, thankfully, all those people lost. Yeah, they nobody nobody that that scheme did not work out for anyone.

Speaker 1:
[55:13] And I'm not I'm not a COVID was fake person either because we did have like millions of people that died. And if you were older, if you were sick, you had like preconditions. And it was really, really bad. And a lot of like very sad stuff happened. But but like right now for us, it's like. We are actually uniquely positioned in a very, very dangerous spot where if a real pandemic came, that was like that was equally as deadly amongst the entire population as it was for people above the age of 70. We'd be fucked. We would be.

Speaker 3:
[55:45] Nobody would be.

Speaker 1:
[55:46] Yeah, we would be so. We'd be like, well, it's basically the flu. No matter what they told us, you could have you could have every doctor go on the news at the same time and say, hey, guys, you're going to die if you get this and be like, tell me how to live my life.

Speaker 3:
[56:00] It is it is crazy how many people died. But it's but it was just such a it's it's the portion of the population that we tend to think about the the least.

Speaker 2:
[56:10] Right.

Speaker 3:
[56:11] And so it maybe didn't resonate. And then you can be like, I was all fake.

Speaker 2:
[56:15] But like, you think that's what would happen? What that people would would be dismissive.

Speaker 1:
[56:22] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[56:23] I think people would fight governmental overreach by and large.

Speaker 2:
[56:27] Every I think I think COVID proved the exact opposite.

Speaker 1:
[56:30] If they did the same thing, if they if they said we need to shut down businesses because I think there would certainly be a portion of the people, but they d be the same ones who were saying that the first time. I think it would be a much bigger part of the podcast.

Speaker 3:
[56:43] I think it might be bigger as well just because a lot like OK, like someone like me, like I was very much like, OK, and my grandpa died. He was one of the people that he died from COVID. Like it was but like even me, I was very like, OK, whatever the science is saying, like or whatever, like the accepted best practices. OK, I got to wear gloves, masks, whatever. Just do whatever everybody's saying. But then I didn't get my second round of vaccination, you know, and then like I've been to like, I don't know, this is all a little overwrought in many ways. And so, yeah, I could see maybe being a bit more hesitant to react as compliantly as I did the first time around.

Speaker 2:
[57:28] I mean, in what sense would you even like we lived somewhere where you didn't really have a choice to be compliant or not? You could, I guess if you just chose to sit in your house all day, every day and never leave, but you didn't have a ton of options.

Speaker 3:
[57:44] Were you all showing like Vax papers and stuff?

Speaker 2:
[57:47] Oh, if you wanted to go anywhere, you had to have a vaccine card and you had to go to work, you had to have it.

Speaker 3:
[57:53] Kind of fun to live to such a time, feels like out of like a movie.

Speaker 1:
[57:57] It does feel like we did live through like a moment in history that kids are going to be reading about in textbooks.

Speaker 3:
[58:04] Yeah, it's rare that you can recognize that you're living through one of those moments that will be written about.

Speaker 1:
[58:09] Yeah, the moments in New York where you look around at night and nobody would be out on the streets and it felt like you were in a zombie movie. That was kind of wild. There were some crazy times. I hope we don't go back to this. But yeah, Big T, I do think that people would, way more people.

Speaker 2:
[58:26] I think there would be more. I don't think it would be as many as you think it is.

Speaker 1:
[58:29] I think you see some of the blue haired freaks, the outliers that could pass along, and you're like, that's what most of the country is. I think way more people would be very resistant to any sort of information coming from, especially social media has changed a lot since 2020 to the point where I think that there's more disinformation out there than there's ever been. And it's so easy to go viral, especially if you have a certain point of view. I think that there would be, it would be a lot more catastrophic this time. I think that people just wouldn't listen.

Speaker 2:
[59:07] I think there would be more people of the way you're describing, but it would not be as many as you think it is. And also if you live somewhere like New York or here or wherever, what choice do you really have?

Speaker 3:
[59:24] I guess it depends on who is dying as well. Because it sounds kind of funny, but if it's a lot of kids, obviously that's going to incentivize action. If it's people who are seemingly healthy otherwise at the prime of their age. But then what if only 5% of people are dying or 3%, which is still going to be a massive fucking number. I don't know. It would be very, yeah, I hope we don't ever have to see how that would play out.

Speaker 1:
[59:53] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[59:55] I think the biggest, you were talking about misinformation PFT, I think the biggest misread I've ever had in my entire life was when I was fresh out of college and I was doing sports and political radio. And I remember going to the World War II Museum, great museum, awesome museum.

Speaker 1:
[60:14] I need to go there, the one in New Orleans?

Speaker 3:
[60:15] It's unbelievable, dude. I mean, it's the National World War II Museum now, it's a top 10 museum in the entire world. It's, you can spend days in there. But they have all the old propaganda posters and videos and everything. And I remember thinking to myself, wow, what a quaint time. They were so manipulatable, they only had their single source of information and you could easily control what the masses thought. And I was like, not today. Today, we live in the age of the Internet and we have all of human knowledge at our hands. And that makes us impervious to be manipulated. I could not have been more wrong. The opposite could not be more true. Where the more information that we have, the ability to manipulate algorithm has completely shattered the entire concept of how do I know if something's true or not?

Speaker 1:
[61:08] I think if you have a single source, it's easy to manipulate. I also think that if you have everybody that has been deputized as being a source of information and a source of truth, that's equally as bad in a much different way, where it's like that has, you're just going to splinter everybody.

Speaker 3:
[61:27] So it's actually, yeah, you see a lot of stuff like this. It's another classic bell curve type of situation.

Speaker 1:
[61:33] Yeah, having a healthy skepticism of most things is a good thing. But then having like a thousand different armchair experts that all look at themselves as being like a trusted source of information. Also, also very bad. Big T, I'm looking at the sheet that you sent over. You did mention the Joe Buck news.

Speaker 2:
[61:55] ESPN Jeopardy.

Speaker 1:
[61:57] Our good friend Joe Buck has now been named as the host of ESPN Jeopardy, much to Darren Ravel's chagrin.

Speaker 2:
[62:04] Yeah, he wanted it to be the Faze Clan.

Speaker 1:
[62:07] He wanted it to be Faze Rug or...

Speaker 2:
[62:10] Dude Perfect.

Speaker 1:
[62:11] Dude Perfect.

Speaker 2:
[62:11] Bob does sports.

Speaker 1:
[62:12] Bob does sports or iShow Speed. Either one of those guys I think would have been a better choice for Jeopardy than Joe Buck. Shout out Bobby Berger. I do like Bob does sports.

Speaker 3:
[62:26] But like to Revelle's point... Now, I don't think ESPN Jeopardy is for the crowds necessarily that he's talking about.

Speaker 1:
[62:32] Right.

Speaker 3:
[62:33] But to Revelle's point, all of those guys would do way higher numbers with the younger audience than would that is Joe Buck.

Speaker 2:
[62:41] I disagree.

Speaker 3:
[62:42] No, that's crazy, dude. If iShow Speed does ESPN Jeopardy, he brings with him a mountain of young human beings who are coming with him.

Speaker 2:
[62:50] No, he brings a lot of people who watch him do whatever he does on the Internet. He does not bring people to linear television to watch Jeopardy.

Speaker 3:
[62:59] I think that... So you think that Joe Buck would do better ratings? I don't know who the FaZe guy is, but you think Joe Buck would do better ratings than Dude Perfect?

Speaker 2:
[63:07] Yeah, for the type of person that's wanting to watch ESPN Jeopardy.

Speaker 3:
[63:10] You know what? I was going to say, I agree with you, yes, because of who the base audience is. Those kids aren't watching TV. But if you were going to look at digital and linear views and put them together, I do actually think Gravel is probably right. I think it's dumb. I don't think you should, because it doesn't make sense with what the show is.

Speaker 2:
[63:26] Speed's audience is not clamoring to watch Sports Jeopardy.

Speaker 1:
[63:31] I agree with that.

Speaker 2:
[63:32] Now, even if wherever it is, but let alone being on linear TV.

Speaker 1:
[63:36] I believe this is on Hulu and Disney Plus, so I don't know that it's going to be aired.

Speaker 2:
[63:40] Okay, well still.

Speaker 1:
[63:41] It might be aired on the linear networks, but I'm just seeing Coming Soon on Disney and Hulu. But yeah, I agree that I don't think that Speed's audience is going to want to watch him do like a sports trivia show. I think also-

Speaker 2:
[63:56] And the people who do want to watch that don't want to watch him.

Speaker 1:
[63:58] Yeah, Jeopardy is like its own thing. I don't think kids are going to watch Jeopardy no matter who you put in charge of. But it would be very funny to see Dude Perfect try to host Jeopardy.

Speaker 3:
[64:10] That's, now then again, you probably change it and it's not even Jeopardy at that point, right? Because you got to like make the shot.

Speaker 1:
[64:15] You got to throw a nerf gun through a hula hoop.

Speaker 2:
[64:18] I am very interested in watching this show. I would not watch it if it was hosted by one of those people.

Speaker 3:
[64:22] No, neither would I. Neither would I. Absolutely. I just, but again, I mean, it's a pointless point by Revelle anyway, because like you're saying, like ESPN Jeopardy is for older people who love Joe Buck anyway in its inception.

Speaker 1:
[64:38] I would like to see Brandon Walker on this show.

Speaker 3:
[64:41] I know.

Speaker 1:
[64:42] I got tagged in a few times because I'm friends with Joe Buck. Sometimes I'm part of my take a lot and I do love trivia. I'll be the first to say, I'll do the Rudy. And if I get, if I'm lucky enough to be picked for this show, I'm putting my jersey down on Joe Buck's forehead. I'm saying Mr. Buck, Brandon fucking Walker's here. Okay. Number one, former number one college football personality on the internet, former part of my take college football expert of the year, and three times second place points per game achiever in the dozen trivia contest. Brandon Walker, he's your man. If you want an electric sports trivia player to go on your show and give you ratings, it's Brandon Walker, respectfully.

Speaker 3:
[65:28] It really is. Brandon freaks me out in how good he is at that. I hope that he gets the opportunity.

Speaker 1:
[65:36] I would like to see it too.

Speaker 3:
[65:37] He'll be a big bummer if he...

Speaker 2:
[65:38] What do you think the odds are that they put anyone from Barstool Sports on that show?

Speaker 1:
[65:42] I think they're going to want to.

Speaker 2:
[65:43] You think?

Speaker 3:
[65:43] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[65:44] Yeah. For sure. I think that...

Speaker 3:
[65:46] We've got to bring in the FaZe Clan audience. We're kind of like the FaZe. You know, we're like an older FaZe Clan.

Speaker 1:
[65:51] Yeah, we're FaZe adjacent.

Speaker 2:
[65:54] There's a lot of history there, though.

Speaker 1:
[65:55] There's history, but a new president, Jimmy Pitoro, he wasn't there for BVT, and he wants like a young audience. Maybe.

Speaker 2:
[66:04] I would love it.

Speaker 1:
[66:05] The bigger question, I think, would be if Dave would allow Brandon to do it. I think ESPN would immediately... They would have zero problem having Brandon Walker on their Sports Jeopardy program.

Speaker 2:
[66:19] He's allowed other talent to go on ESPN programming.

Speaker 1:
[66:22] Name one.

Speaker 2:
[66:23] You?

Speaker 1:
[66:23] I know. It's just a test. As a test.

Speaker 2:
[66:26] Compton and LaWan?

Speaker 1:
[66:28] He wasn't super thrilled that I went on game day, as I recall.

Speaker 2:
[66:33] But you went.

Speaker 1:
[66:34] I didn't check in with him. I just said, okay.

Speaker 2:
[66:39] You have to.

Speaker 1:
[66:39] You have to. That's a once in a lifetime opportunity. And it's not like he was mad about it. I think he just got tagged a million times in the morning, and he saw my face on ESPN, and he was like, I did not know that he was going to do this. Interesting.

Speaker 3:
[66:53] People who are more locked in on the Barstool beefs love to tattle.

Speaker 1:
[66:59] Tattletales, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[67:00] I've made it almost weekly tradition to accidentally praise one of Dave's enemies.

Speaker 1:
[67:06] On purpose?

Speaker 3:
[67:06] No, I have no idea. I referenced a great Mina Kimes article that I read a few weeks back. That blew up my face. I think I said something positive about awful announcing one time or something.

Speaker 2:
[67:18] Well, why would you do that? They hate you too.

Speaker 3:
[67:21] Yeah, I know, but I read something good there. I don't know, dude. Oh, God, who was the other one? It was me. There was a third arch enemy that I accidentally stumbled into recently as well.

Speaker 1:
[67:33] I don't know. To be fair, it's a full-time job keeping a list of Dave's various enemies. He's got a few of them out there. That's how he operates. He moves like that.

Speaker 2:
[67:46] If you ever read anything on Business Insider, keep it to yourself. I know that one.

Speaker 3:
[67:49] I know Business Insider is a no-go.

Speaker 1:
[67:51] It would be a full-time job to stay completely up to speed on all the people that he's got beef with. Who else does he have beef with right now?

Speaker 2:
[67:59] I mean, a lot of them are old. Like all the deadspin people, they're kind of out of the picture.

Speaker 3:
[68:04] Those champagne bottles have been popped.

Speaker 1:
[68:05] The various vice presidents of the NFL from 2015. That Pash guy, he didn't like that Pash guy. Bob Kravitz would be another old one.

Speaker 2:
[68:17] Who is that?

Speaker 1:
[68:19] He was a columnist for, I think, the Indy Star. I hope he's still with us. Not because, wait, I don't know how to finish that sentence.

Speaker 3:
[68:30] You just don't want him dead.

Speaker 1:
[68:31] I don't want him to be dead.

Speaker 3:
[68:31] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[68:32] I don't want him dead.

Speaker 3:
[68:32] I think that's full stop.

Speaker 1:
[68:34] Yeah, full stop. I don't like it when people die. I think Bob Kravitz might be with us. Yeah, he's still with us. Yeah, yeah, sure.

Speaker 3:
[68:42] Much to Dave Chagrin.

Speaker 1:
[68:43] But yeah, anyone that's-

Speaker 3:
[68:44] Bob Kravitz still alive.

Speaker 1:
[68:46] Even like tangentially involved with Deflategate.

Speaker 3:
[68:50] Yeah, have you ever wrote a single big piece on it?

Speaker 1:
[68:53] Or if you're like a Ravens fan from one of those games when Harbaugh complained about the Patriots using illegal formations that were too tricky. Yeah, he's got- it's a long list, but yeah, Big T, I think, or T-Bob, I think that you're not intentionally stepping in it. You're just, as a man that discusses the sports ecosphere, you're liable to step on some of those rakes.

Speaker 3:
[69:15] Yeah, and like I'm someone who really loves like traditional sports journalism and everything, right? Like, I think I referenced a great piece in The Athletic like the day The Athletic released like the Gruden hit piece. Not realizing either. So I don't know. But still fun.

Speaker 1:
[69:34] I'm looking at some draft preview stuff right now. For some reason, Bill Clinton is hanging out with Jerry Jones at the Dallas Cowboys facility right now. Don't know what's going on there. Helping with draft prep.

Speaker 2:
[69:47] That's just a couple of guys being dudes.

Speaker 1:
[69:49] Yeah, correct. Bill's, if you want my advice for how to prepare for the draft, go study overseas at Oxford. You feel me, Jerry? I don't want to go to Vietnam, hell.

Speaker 3:
[70:01] I am.

Speaker 2:
[70:02] To Arkansas, guys. Yeah. Probably good friends.

Speaker 1:
[70:05] Yeah, power broke. Oh, I'm sure that there have been some smoke-filled rooms at those two.

Speaker 3:
[70:11] I was going to say, is actually one of the more shocking elements of the Epstein files, the fact that Jared never got his way to the island. Has he ever been implicated in anything?

Speaker 1:
[70:23] Jerry is coming out smelling like roses.

Speaker 3:
[70:26] That's crazy. He seems like he would have been a prime target to find himself partying on the island. And again, I think the vast majority of people go to the island, whatever, we're doing shitty stuff, but not like the most flatly illegal, horrible shit. But like, yeah, I guess I'm just shocked that Jerry never found himself. Because that's been the craziest part to me about all of it is just the revealing of kind of the nature of the billionaire class and how tied in they all are together and how they all work together and whatnot. Shout out Jerry though.

Speaker 1:
[70:59] And then after Bill Clinton walked out, Stephen Jones addressed the media and said, oh, by the way, we're not going to be doing a long-term contract with George Pickens this off season. So he's going to play the entire season on the franchise tag. All right, see you guys later. So like, great, great job. This is a good job. Still got it, man. Still got it. He's got the shitty news. He's got to drop. People are going to be mad at him. And he's like, I know just the distraction. I'm going to have Bill Clinton's frail ass walk in here and charm the pants off everybody in the room. And then as he leaves, we'll just toss. And oh, yeah, by the way, we're not going to do that contract.

Speaker 3:
[71:36] Whatever happened to the Clinton Epstein stuff? Did he testify in front of Congress? Did I miss that?

Speaker 2:
[71:40] Did it just kind of blow over? That closed door thing? Deposition.

Speaker 1:
[71:44] Him and Hillary went closed door. Well, they wanted to go public testimony, but they got talked in. They had to do the closed door one, and nothing's going to happen.

Speaker 3:
[71:56] We didn't get any headlines. They had nothing explosive?

Speaker 1:
[71:59] Not really. Clinton just said, like, I didn't hang out with him doing anything nefarious and stopped hanging out with him once he got into all the problems that he had with the sex charges.

Speaker 3:
[72:10] OK, so he had the same line that everybody did.

Speaker 1:
[72:12] Yeah, and then there were a couple pictures that he looked at where you could see him mentally taking a trip down memory lane as they showed the binders and the old pictures of him and Jeff. And he was like, oh, those are some good times. And then Hillary just kind of went in there, and she was just like, fuck you guys for inviting me to this thing. I had nothing to do with it. If anything, like my husband, even though he says he's, he's always told me that he had nothing to do with it, but this is his problem. This is his mess to clean up. Why are you talking to me about it? So no, nothing, nothing came out of that. I don't think that they're, I don't know, I'm just very pessimistic about anybody ever facing any accountability from it overall.

Speaker 3:
[72:52] It's unreal. Two people, maybe three people arrested in total in the US. There's a third guy I thought that also killed himself.

Speaker 1:
[73:00] The guy over in France. Yeah, yeah. The guy that was in the modeling business. Yeah, that was tough. Okay, before we get back to Macrodosing, it's brought to you by One Bone. Quick question, if you're a bigger guy, how many times have you bought a shirt that technically fits but doesn't actually fit?

Speaker 2:
[73:15] Real.

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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 1:
[73:35] That's good underwear. We need to bring back to guess Big T's underwear.

Speaker 2:
[73:39] Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1:
[73:39] Throwback. Arian was really good at just looking at Big T.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 1:
[73:45] He would know the drawers.

Speaker 3:
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Speaker 3:
[76:50] Oh, yeah. Well, it's always it's so I it's always an area code. It's always an Atlanta area code. I've had the same number since high school.

Speaker 1:
[76:57] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[76:57] So my number has AIDS at this point. It's like my Gmail account. It's just.

Speaker 1:
[77:01] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[77:02] It's a disaster.

Speaker 1:
[77:03] It's been around the block.

Speaker 3:
[77:04] It is so beyond that things were not. But yeah, I don't answer any 678 area code, any 770. Every now and then I'll get hit with a 225 from whatever Baton Rouge trail I've left, some 318. So yeah, I basically don't. Yeah, I don't answer any call that I don't have.

Speaker 2:
[77:23] What area code do you have?

Speaker 3:
[77:25] 678.

Speaker 2:
[77:25] Because you know, 404, they're not giving them out anymore.

Speaker 3:
[77:28] Oh, damn, I could have sold it.

Speaker 2:
[77:29] So if you have a 404, that's a big deal.

Speaker 3:
[77:33] No, but I got a 678. But yeah, no, I don't. Our data is so compromised, I don't answer them.

Speaker 1:
[77:39] Yeah, it's smart. It's smart. I generally don't either. And it's gotten pretty good at detecting like whether or not it's coming from a fraudulent place or not. But for a while, they had some sort of I don't know what the technology was, but they could make the incoming call look very similar to your own number, right? So you would think that there's somebody from Northern Virginia that's calling me. Yeah, that's what happens. With the Atlanta one. But I feel like recently, the phone companies have gotten better. What they do is they look at companies or they look at phone numbers that have been traced to making a lot of really short duration phone calls, and then they flag those as being scammers. And then they try to shut them down or at least flag them as being, like when it pops up on your phone, a potential scam. I would love to interview somebody that like sets up a fraud call center in India, and just see what a piece of shit you have to be to like make this your business.

Speaker 3:
[78:35] I mean, the worst part about this kind of stuff to me is we're younger and so our defenses are a bit more up. The thing about these scammers are it's a volume shooting game where they're going to cast a very wide net and unfortunately the people that get wrangled in are always the most susceptible. The old people, uneducated people, if it's a money scam, maybe people who are in kind of dire financial straits and so the idea of like something that can solve all their problems is very tempting. So yeah, that's where it becomes really morally reprehensible. It's not like a Robin Hood situation where you're like stealing from the rich. Generally, scams work on the people that are most vulnerable.

Speaker 1:
[79:19] Yeah, you're stealing from a poor and then given to the poor. Because generally the people that are working in the call centers are, they don't have a lot of options for how they can earn money.

Speaker 3:
[79:28] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[79:29] So then their business just becomes trying to defraud people. I'm sure that they're told that the people that you're going to speak with in the United States are like rich, wealthy people. That you can take their money, they'll be fine. But in reality, it's like you're just going to scam mostly elderly poor people that can't lose any money.

Speaker 2:
[79:46] Have y'all noticed they've been trying texts a lot more now? I get a lot more texts than calls.

Speaker 4:
[79:51] I got one this morning.

Speaker 1:
[79:52] What was it?

Speaker 4:
[79:53] The DMV that said, formal notification from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles per our internal auditing, blah, blah, blah, my traffic violation, that I'm going to have my motor vehicle registration revoked. I haven't had a car in five years.

Speaker 2:
[80:18] Is your license Illinois or Ohio?

Speaker 4:
[80:21] Illinois.

Speaker 2:
[80:21] Oh, see, because I was getting them from Illinois and I was like, well, I hadn't even changed my license over yet. So I know that's not true.

Speaker 4:
[80:28] I mean, I have an Ohio area code though, so I'm sure it's like.

Speaker 2:
[80:33] To be clear, my license is now in Illinois, but it wasn't before. I waited way too long.

Speaker 3:
[80:39] I got to switch mine over right now. I'll tell you one thing, too.

Speaker 2:
[80:42] If you get pulled over, don't tell them that you've lived here a while.

Speaker 3:
[80:44] No, no, no, I know. I know that. No, I bought a house recently when I moved here. And I'm not exaggerating when I say probably got a hundred calls a day for like two to three months afterwards from, I don't know, loan people, like, I don't know, like whatever, like financial, that data got put out there. And then it's just, it's insane. And that's not even scamming, but it's kind of in the same vein of just like your data being sold and used as a part of like a mass marketing or mass business endeavor.

Speaker 1:
[81:21] I recently signed up for some sort of identity protection thing online and it was like I had to pay actual money for it. And they went through all these online data services that monitor like whose information is being sold where. Show me how many times my information had been sold in the past like two years. Genuinely shocking how many times, like how many companies there are out there that just pass your info around. So they went and they closed all that shit down. I've been getting like no spam calls recently after that. I'm sure it'll pick up again.

Speaker 3:
[81:52] So you think it was maybe actually worth it?

Speaker 1:
[81:54] In my case, it was definitely worth it. Yeah, I was getting a lot of them and it definitely took a big step back. I am getting the texts, a lot of like tollway texts. Like I owe money.

Speaker 3:
[82:04] See, it knows fuck with me because at first when I moved here, I was fucking up the tolls and like I almost fell for a couple of those, dude.

Speaker 1:
[82:10] They know. They know that. Yeah, people fuck up tolls.

Speaker 2:
[82:13] They send them in the mail. I went to the UT Kentucky basketball game a couple months ago. We blew a huge lead. I had to drive six hours home the next day. It was terrible. And then the next week, I got a bill in the mail from the state of Kentucky for some toll road. And I had to pay them $13 after it was just a nice extra kick in the balls. I was really upset.

Speaker 3:
[82:36] Thirteen. What a specific, what a specific amount.

Speaker 2:
[82:39] I've it was something like that. I didn't want to pay it, but whatever.

Speaker 1:
[82:44] Yeah, I get I get a ton of them and they're talking about like different tolls that I might owe different registration notices. And now they've they've just started to send like a bunch of each one has a JPEG that comes along with it, like a little picture thumbnail. It's like, that's how you know it's official because it's got like the logo for the one bridge that's nearby that you might drive over occasionally. But yeah, some people fall for him. Hank fell for it.

Speaker 2:
[83:09] Really?

Speaker 1:
[83:09] Yeah. Yeah. A couple of months ago.

Speaker 2:
[83:11] For how much? I mean, I guess if they got his number, like he had to change.

Speaker 1:
[83:15] I don't know that he paid them any money. He might have paid him a small amount of money, but it was mostly the fact that he like clicked on their link.

Speaker 3:
[83:21] And then tried to log in to something. Tried to log in.

Speaker 1:
[83:23] Now they've got like a bunch of information from him. It's like every every couple of days, I've been getting emails as well from from x.com, the everything app, saying that they flag some of the content that I've put up in my account will be shut down if I don't like file an appeal. But it's it's all like fake.

Speaker 3:
[83:42] It's a they just want your x.com login.

Speaker 1:
[83:44] Yeah, which is I think how certain guys at work at this company have recently gotten hacked, probably probably clicking on one of those links.

Speaker 3:
[83:50] I got I got I got I got that happened to me very early on many, many years ago. I got one of those messages like from somebody I knew on Twitter being like, Oh my God, did you see this picture of you? And that was before that was before that was like a known kind of phishing scheme. It was my first time ever seeing it. And I thought I was like, Oh, fuck. And sure enough, try to log in. Got my account hacked.

Speaker 1:
[84:15] It's kind of crazy how good they're able to spoof certain things. I got a call a couple of years ago from it. It showed up on my phone as being like from the Apple Store. And so I answered it and they're like, yeah, somebody is in here and they've got your card information. They're trying to buy like two iPhones. I was like, no, that's not me. And then this guy tells me about like all the details behind like what this person's trying to buy, what they're trying to pull off. He even says like some of my information back to me. And then he's like, I need to cancel this. Can I get like ask for my email and then like ask for a date of birth? I was like, you should have all this information. If you've got my phone number, you should have all this information.

Speaker 3:
[84:54] Yeah, that's where they kind of tell on themselves is they start making you do things and asking questions that would be, that no legal company could or would ask you for.

Speaker 1:
[85:07] And this guy had none of the red flags that you would, like he had zero accent. He sounded like a personable American. And so it was like very easy to fall for it. And I think it's going to get worse because now you've got a lot of people that are doing like voice cloning.

Speaker 3:
[85:21] So yeah, the latest Voidzilla video, I still haven't watched yet from Coffee. And I know it's all about like deep fake AI schemes and whatnot that, because I mean, that's the, oh, I don't know, it's going to get harder and harder to parse.

Speaker 1:
[85:40] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[85:40] The, the schemes are going to get more and more advanced with, with the new technologies available to them.

Speaker 1:
[85:45] I told my mom that there's, there's so much tape of me talking out there on the internet. And it's not hard to find that at some point she, like the technology is there where she could get a phone call from somebody that sounded like me.

Speaker 3:
[85:56] You have to have a safe word.

Speaker 1:
[85:57] So we got to safe word.

Speaker 3:
[85:58] Oh, you have one now.

Speaker 1:
[85:59] It's a word that never said on the air.

Speaker 2:
[86:02] Well, see, that's what's going to get really bad is when they start using AI.

Speaker 1:
[86:06] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[86:07] And I mean, if they're getting grandmas now, I can only imagine.

Speaker 1:
[86:11] Grandma's getting a call, and yeah, poor little Connor is in prison.

Speaker 2:
[86:14] That was a big one. My great grandma got a call that my uncle was in jail.

Speaker 1:
[86:19] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[86:20] And she, I believe she called him and was like, you're not in jail, right? And he was like, yeah. So she didn't do anything. But she was very concerned.

Speaker 1:
[86:28] Those are our rules. Our rules are if you get a call from me and I'm asking you for anything, call me back. And then also say, like whatever, whatever password we have. And then and then we'll move forward from that point. But yeah, I mean, old people, they get confused. And if you're making them like emotional about the safety of one of their kids, they'll be like, sure, I'll give you I'll give you ten thousand dollars. No problem. Let's get you out of jail.

Speaker 3:
[86:51] God, we are beyond the looking glass in so many different ways.

Speaker 1:
[86:56] You know what? I would love to see I would love to see. Billions with a B of dollars dedicated to like actively shutting these places down, like protecting your citizens. That's how about how about a war on scams? How about that? How about like, let's protect the homeland. Everybody deals with this shit. We get calls. Our phones are great tools. We can use them for a bunch of different positive things, but they're also the biggest liability that we have. Yeah. And everybody has one. How about we protect everybody? How about we go, we arrest and shut down? I don't care if they're overseas in Myanmar. I don't care if we're talking about like a call center in Sri Lanka. I don't care if it's coming from this hemisphere because we're starting to see more of them, like more of the call centers based out of the Caribbean and Tigua and the British Virgin Islands. Like, let's shut some of these places down.

Speaker 3:
[87:49] Now, I wish you could remember his name. Have you all ever come across, I'm sure you have in your internet travels, the guy with the aviator sunglasses who scams the scammers? Yes.

Speaker 2:
[88:00] I don't know his name. Is he the Do Not Redeem It? That's one of my favorite videos of all time.

Speaker 3:
[88:05] I don't know. I just know I've seen ones where like, he's like hacked the call center and then made...

Speaker 2:
[88:11] And he tells them where they are?

Speaker 3:
[88:12] Yes. And they're like looking at their own webcam and it's a feed from their office. And they're like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2:
[88:18] I believe it's the same guy. There's a video, he's pretending to be a grandma.

Speaker 3:
[88:23] He has a voice changer.

Speaker 2:
[88:24] And he's bought these gift cards and the guy on the line is like, okay, now just give me the number. And he goes, okay, well, I'll just redeem it right here. And the guy's screaming, do not redeem it.

Speaker 3:
[88:35] He makes him go crazy.

Speaker 2:
[88:37] He's got him around in circles.

Speaker 1:
[88:38] Yeah. God bless those people. I've seen a lot of them for the old Nigerian Prince emails too. Are you too young for those big two?

Speaker 2:
[88:46] I've heard the trope.

Speaker 3:
[88:47] The original fishing scheme.

Speaker 1:
[88:49] It was, yeah. They were called, in Nigeria, I think they're called like 409s. That might be the police code for international scam or something. But there were people that would be scam baiters that would go online and bait these people to waste their time and resources trying to scam them, knowing that each second that they spent... Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[89:08] Kit Boga. That's his name.

Speaker 1:
[89:10] That's the guy?

Speaker 3:
[89:11] Kit Boga. Yeah. Shout out Kit Boga.

Speaker 1:
[89:12] God bless the scam baiters out there. We need to fund more of those people. That we need to start an army of those people. I do think that if we dedicated a shitload of funding to it, that's something that will actually make everybody's lives better.

Speaker 2:
[89:26] Do you remember Al Farouk Aminu? He played...

Speaker 3:
[89:30] The basketball player?

Speaker 2:
[89:30] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[89:31] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[89:32] So my uncle played with his brother at Georgia Tech, and this was 2007, 2008, and their family was like Nigerian royalty. And so that was... I don't know if that was peak Nigerian king emails, but it was around that time, and they actually were... Their family was like royalty in Nigeria. And so that was a big thing.

Speaker 3:
[89:57] It's bad for the Al Farouk Aminu brand.

Speaker 1:
[89:59] Those emails would be so funny because it'd be like, some person you didn't know died in a car accident in West Kenya, and they didn't have a next of kin, but we tracked you down, and we want to send it to the United States. Is that okay? And then people would be like, oh my god, this is my life. Finally, finally, I've been hoping for something like this. We finally got a break, guys. And then, yeah, it was the most obvious scam, but people fell for it.

Speaker 3:
[90:30] If it's too good to be true, you have to fight against yourself and probably recognize that it is indeed too good to be true.

Speaker 1:
[90:38] Yeah, but what if it was real, though?

Speaker 3:
[90:40] I know, I know, dude, I know.

Speaker 1:
[90:42] I actually think to you, Bob, the funniest possible thing is like, if I, so if I ever take a trip to Africa, if I go on Safari over there, I'm going to write something in my will that's like, if I die, I actually want my attorney to like contact a random person in the United States and only through email and leave my fortune to that one person. You just got to believe, because I feel like we're losing trust in this world. Sometimes an email can be a good thing.

Speaker 3:
[91:15] You should, you could, you could, you could commit to it publicly and then it becomes a bit like you're Willy Wonka. Yeah. And you're seeding a golden ticket out there and everybody's going to be desperately, no, no, it would actually be terrible because everybody would hop on and do scams based on you.

Speaker 1:
[91:33] Yeah. And also everybody would see emails that would come through and be like, oh, maybe this one's real, because I know a PFT said he's going to hook it up when he dies. But that'd be very funny to just like, okay, I'm going to have my attorney contact like a farmer in Western Kansas. And I want that person to obtain my entire estate if I die in a roll over crash in Mauritania.

Speaker 3:
[91:55] Well, I mean, first, you should put that money into, what is it, stretch coin, right?

Speaker 1:
[91:59] Stretch coin, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[91:59] Guaranteed 11% returns.

Speaker 1:
[92:01] That's true, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[92:02] Basically just a bank that gives you 11% returns.

Speaker 2:
[92:04] Let's go.

Speaker 1:
[92:05] It's a bank that gives you 11% returns, big T.

Speaker 3:
[92:07] Doesn't that sound great?

Speaker 2:
[92:08] It does.

Speaker 3:
[92:09] What do you actually want that?

Speaker 1:
[92:10] It's not a bank. It's an only catch. They pay you 11% dividends, but they can stop the dividends at any time. And all the money that you gave them, that's their money. That's their money now.

Speaker 3:
[92:22] So they're just buying Bitcoin with it.

Speaker 2:
[92:24] Got it.

Speaker 1:
[92:26] It's a new scam.

Speaker 3:
[92:28] It's a new scam. It's a new hot scam on the streets.

Speaker 2:
[92:30] But I could just get a free 11%.

Speaker 1:
[92:31] You could. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[92:32] And then that's it.

Speaker 1:
[92:33] 11% per year.

Speaker 2:
[92:34] Yeah. Can I pull it all out whenever I want?

Speaker 1:
[92:35] No.

Speaker 3:
[92:37] No, no. The money's theirs once you get it to them.

Speaker 2:
[92:39] So that's how they get you.

Speaker 1:
[92:40] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[92:41] But I mean, they market it like you can pull the money out whenever you want. And sure, I suppose if you-

Speaker 1:
[92:50] The early ones, the early investors probably could.

Speaker 3:
[92:52] Yeah. If you were early to pull out before or like when things are going good or if you don't have too much in there, you maybe could. But yeah. I lost on a local Bitcoin scam. Or not Bitcoin, but a local crypto scam back in Baton Rouge where I even kind of knew it was kind of scammy, but I thought I was in on the tip of the pyramid enough where I could be one of the winners. But unfortunately, I was wrong.

Speaker 1:
[93:21] That's the dream.

Speaker 3:
[93:22] And I was no, I was just the rug pull.

Speaker 1:
[93:25] That's the dream.

Speaker 3:
[93:26] I was the mark.

Speaker 1:
[93:27] There's there's another scheme out there called OneGiri, the OneGiri scheme. It originates from Japan and it means one ring and cut. So what it is, you go out, if you want to start a OneGiri scheme, you get what would be the equivalent of a 1-900 number, a pay to call number, right? I don't know what that would be in Japan, what the exact numbers would be. But let's just say in the United States, it's a number that somebody would have to pay you to call you on. So you just have a robo-dialer that calls a bunch of different phone numbers, and it rings one time, and then it hangs up. Either right after the person picks up, or it'll just cut off after one ring showing up as a missed call. And then when that person calls back, then they initiate like a premium call to call that 1-900 number back, or whatever the equivalent is. And then they pick up on the other end, and they then try to just keep you on the phone for as long as possible. Because every minute that you're on the phone, they get another like $2.

Speaker 3:
[94:27] It's a good scam.

Speaker 1:
[94:28] It's a really good scam.

Speaker 3:
[94:29] It's a good scam.

Speaker 1:
[94:30] And that's the one that they started to use the caller ID spoofing to make the calls look like they were local coming in, just so that when you call them back, you're actually dialing.

Speaker 3:
[94:40] Did you see the man in India who created the fake AI female MAGA influencer?

Speaker 1:
[94:50] I did see that, yeah. I'm okay with that.

Speaker 3:
[94:54] I mean, yeah, look, I think that... So I tweeted, like I quoted it to like, wow, this is like genius. It's very funny. And of course, I got hit with like a bunch of like, oh, libtard, whatever. But I'm more mean, I'm more mean, it's genius to just take advantage of the political grift economy, regardless of what direction you're coming from.

Speaker 1:
[95:17] Yeah. I would say it's genius. If you were able to do that and combine it with like horny people too. Like if somebody is paying.

Speaker 3:
[95:25] Oh, which absolutely they did. They were paying the majority of their money from fans.

Speaker 1:
[95:28] Right. They were paying that that fake person money because they wanted to see them naked.

Speaker 3:
[95:32] They wanted bikini pics.

Speaker 1:
[95:33] They wanted to do it.

Speaker 3:
[95:34] He was sitting in bikini pics of this AI MAGA fake 20 year old influencer, dental student.

Speaker 1:
[95:39] My mindset is that if you if you pay for pornography, you probably deserve to get scammed.

Speaker 3:
[95:45] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[95:45] At some point.

Speaker 3:
[95:46] Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 1:
[95:46] That's on you. Know that like you're you're playing a dangerous you're playing Russian roulette with where this money is going to a certain extent. At the same time, I do think that like OnlyFans is probably a it's more ethical version because at least all the money is going to the women.

Speaker 3:
[96:01] Yeah, they're in control of their business.

Speaker 1:
[96:03] Right. They've got a lot of business that they're looking after. But if you're paying money for that sort of thing, you are just openly accepting at some point you're going to get got.

Speaker 3:
[96:11] You're swimming in you know, you're swimming in shark infested waters.

Speaker 1:
[96:13] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[96:14] This is what it is. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[96:15] So maybe it feels great.

Speaker 3:
[96:16] I love saltwater.

Speaker 1:
[96:17] It is. It's it's exhilarating. And if you know that there are sharks around, maybe it's even more tiddly.

Speaker 3:
[96:24] Yeah, it's acceptable risk as long as you know the dangers when you when you get in the water.

Speaker 1:
[96:28] So the FBI says that there have been 660 victims across the United States that have reported losses connected to a single international fraud scheme that was uncovered this year that lost 48.7 million dollars. There's a new center that got shut down in February 2026, and it was a call center that was in India, and they were actually able to stop that one. It had been going on since 2022. So of these 660 victims, one person lost 1.7 million dollars in gold. A person in Montgomery County, Maryland. So this is how this one worked. Caller in India would pose as a tech support worker, or sometimes a federal agent, and they would call someone up and convince them that their bank account got hacked. And the only way to get their money back, because they were able fortunately to recover some of this money, you have to first change it into cryptocurrency, and then we can get you your money back. You can either change it into crypto, you can change it into a wire transfer of cash, or you can change it into gold, and then sure enough, we'll get all your money back for you. And so then they would convince victims to go convert all their cash to gold, and then they would send a courier to pick it up. And then that gold would then go to New York City, to the Diamond District, where it would get converted back to funds, and then transferred overseas back to India, which is a very complicated scheme that they were running, where you have to have people boots on the ground in the United States, not just behind a monitor. But yeah, they were able to shut it down, thankfully. So shout out cash. Cash is FBI. Shut that down after 48.7 million was lost to that one overseas.

Speaker 3:
[98:35] I mean, crypto, and I know that like you said, they did with gold as well, but the entire crypto infrastructure, it's just a criminal and scammer paradise. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:
[98:47] Oh yeah.

Speaker 3:
[98:47] It's so easy to wash the money. It's all untraceable.

Speaker 1:
[98:52] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[98:53] It's like prediction markets as well. Like all these places are just uber fertile grounds for bullshit.

Speaker 1:
[99:00] You're trying to get, it's all people that are just trying to get in the first line. If you get in the first line, then you can make some money and everything after that, you're going to get hosed on it. There was another crackdown that happened with the Chinese and Thai government that shut down a massive scam back in 2025 and that was involving Asian crime syndicates that were expanding into South Asia, Africa.

Speaker 2:
[99:25] Why are these so prevalent in Asia? Counting India as part of Asia.

Speaker 1:
[99:30] Yeah, the subcontinent. I think that's a good question. I think that if they were based in the United States, we would shut it down. it would be much easier to track.

Speaker 2:
[99:39] I guess it's just a ton of people and they need jobs.

Speaker 3:
[99:42] A ton of people, yeah. Lack of opportunity probably too as well comes into play for sure.

Speaker 1:
[99:45] Yeah, and you have some people that have a lot of money that can set up these call centers. They know that people will do whatever it takes to try to work for them and try to get money. It's very little overhead. You just get people in a room down like the entire time.

Speaker 3:
[100:00] No man considers a core space for himself, which has proven profitable to others. I don't know if that's an old quote about precedent that has always just really been drilled into my head as like an eternal truth.

Speaker 1:
[100:15] But governments are starting to crack down more. So China, India, South Korea have all been starting to fight back. The US and the UK put sanctions on a Cambodian company that was running a crypto scam. And then they formed a task force. SpaceX has gotten in. They disabled 2500 Starlink devices that power a lot of the online fraud operations in Myanmar. And then South Korea has also been looking into some of the Cambodian call centers. And according to the Philippines convicted the former mayor of a small town for trafficking people to a compound that officials have linked to scams and organized crime. So there is some enforcement. I think we have to fund this more. We got to put more money into it. And we have to... Because I love seeing these scam centers get shut down. I think we need to fund more of these scam fighters. Like what's this guy's name?

Speaker 2:
[101:13] Say it again, T-Vom.

Speaker 3:
[101:14] Oh, Kit Boda. Yes. Kit Boga.

Speaker 1:
[101:17] We need to fund more of those guys.

Speaker 3:
[101:20] You know what we could do? We could funnel some of our funds into some double agents and maybe build these call centers up a little bit, get them a little more effective, then they'll be easier to shut down.

Speaker 1:
[101:33] Because they'll scam more people out of larger amounts of money.

Speaker 3:
[101:36] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[101:36] And make bigger waves in the news.

Speaker 3:
[101:37] Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[101:38] I kind of like it.

Speaker 3:
[101:39] And then we'll get more funding to fight them.

Speaker 1:
[101:40] But also, yeah, we should run our marketing based on that too. Be like, look how effective we're being. Or we need more because we need to be more effective.

Speaker 2:
[101:50] What I was going to say about the texts earlier though is I feel like the texts are less effective. Like we're never going to get got by a scam, right?

Speaker 1:
[101:58] Never say never.

Speaker 2:
[101:59] Okay. But one of these...

Speaker 3:
[102:00] I've fallen a couple of times, but I would hope not.

Speaker 2:
[102:01] Really?

Speaker 3:
[102:02] Well, like I said, I did the Twitter thing, the crypto thing.

Speaker 2:
[102:05] Yeah, but that's not... I think those are slightly different.

Speaker 3:
[102:09] The DMV texts have freaked me out for a second where I'm like, huh, I'll wait a second.

Speaker 2:
[102:12] Well, if the DMV texts got you, then maybe you will. I don't know, but those seem much more obviously faked. I'm putting myself as a 76 year old man, right?

Speaker 3:
[102:22] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[102:22] Those seem more obviously fake to me than a guy calling and saying, hey, we've got such and such. Can you just confirm your card number so that we can get this all sorted out, whatever. But maybe they're working on people.

Speaker 3:
[102:37] But again, I think it's the classic, it's just their volume shooters. Yeah. And it's like they need, they can miss 99.5 percent of the time. And they can fund themselves in the 0.5. And when you have so many human beings, somebody's going to fuck up.

Speaker 1:
[102:53] Yep. It's a fact. All right.

Speaker 3:
[102:56] Well, that was scammers.

Speaker 1:
[102:57] That was that was Macrodosing. Fund the anti-scammers, fund the guys that scam the scammers. I want I want those guys to be the richest people on Earth. Good for them. All right. We'll see you guys next week. And till then, love you guys.

Speaker 2:
[103:13] Goodbye.

Speaker 1:
[103:14] Later.