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So for those of you who have followed that case for many, many years, new updates, super interesting conversation, about that trial, but also about the little things in the case that were under reported that I think you're going to be most interested in. Then of course, the Saturday series episodes you can't miss. You have all been reaching out to me with the most interesting, compelling personal stories. Please keep them coming. I've also loved everybody that sent me a note and said, I have this friend or I have a coworker and they told me this crazy story. You really have to interview them. Keep them coming. I love them so much. In this episode, Chris DeRosa is back with me. Now, you guys know, Chris and I have covered so many different reality shows. We've gone selling The OC, selling Sunset, Love is Blind. We love those and can't wait for the new season of Love is Blind, but we've also done the Meghan Markle shows, Rest in Peace. They no longer exist apparently. So in this episode, I asked him to watch and review with me, The Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Now what makes this so great is that Chris, as you know, has worked on many, many seasons of Real Housewives, including Real Housewives of New Jersey. And I think there's like a similar feel in some ways. It feels very old school New Jersey. And so I had to know what he thought about it. And we ended up laughing so hard throughout this episode. So for many of you, when you're listening to these episodes, you may be in a car, you may be on a plane, maybe you're at work and you're quietly laughing to yourself while people stare at you. Some of you even tell me that you listen to this before you go to bed at night. I hope that this brings you as much joy as it brought the two of us for reviewing it. Again, we had a blast. We think this show is so good. I love all of the characters. There's so much to unpack. My friend Rachel just told me the other day, oh, I haven't started watching Real Housewives of Rhode Island, should I? And then she's ultimately sucked in and she's been texting me every day with updated questions. So if you are someone who's still on the fence about it, like, oh my God, another franchise of Real Housewives. Why? Why in God's name? I'm telling you, you're going to love it. Again, so much to unpack. I also put up a video on my Instagram. Please go and see the video where I listed six places I think would be ideal places for Real Housewives. And I say that because I think historically, they may think it's best to go to a city and one that has this beautiful landscape. I would submit to you suburban areas might be the best breeding ground for a Real Housewives show. And I think Real Housewives of Rhode Island is an example of it. Complex social circles, a rich history. Sometimes with cities, you have people that have just kind of moved in the last couple years. What I think Rhode Island shows you is that if you get into one of these communities where people have gone to school together, their parents were best friends, everybody knows where all of the skeletons are buried. I think that might be the best place to have a Real Housewives franchise. So go to my Instagram. It's at Kate Casey CA to see the six spots that I chose. And let me know if you think I've missed a spot. I would love to hear what you think. So again, super funny episode with Chris DeRosa. Make sure that you check back for all new episodes and go back and listen to the ones this week. But most importantly, click the share button so you can send these episodes to the people in your life as well. Here's my interview with Chris.
Speaker 2:
[05:40] Hello. Back in the game. Here we are.
Speaker 1:
[05:47] Tell the people listening where you've been.
Speaker 2:
[05:50] I've been making a show called Project Runway. Maybe you've heard of it. And it's been a long time. It was a lot of work and I'm finally done. And so now I can do things like come here.
Speaker 1:
[06:04] Now, if you work on a show like that, when you're, I don't even know, even during the duration of filming or thereafter, do you look at people on the street and start judging them in their outfits?
Speaker 2:
[06:17] No, because I mean, I do that normally. So like, I do that already. But like, no, because it's like, it's not, like, yes and no, I guess.
Speaker 1:
[06:28] Yeah. Well, do you think that they could do some sort of selling sunset drag race challenge where they could make them new outfits?
Speaker 2:
[06:38] I would love, wouldn't you love like selling, the girls from Selling Sunset? I mean, it's not the same company or anything. This would never happen. Never happen, yeah. The girls from Selling Sunset come, and then it's like, make them a new, like slutty real estate outfit. You know what I mean? Like this, again, this would never happen. Yeah. Wouldn't that be so fun?
Speaker 1:
[06:55] That would be so fun. I'm thinking like an outfit where it's like, from neck to ankles, like a long dress, but the cutouts are in the strangest places.
Speaker 2:
[07:09] Yeah. Or just like a big, like a suit made completely out of tulle that has this, like, you know what I mean? And you're just like, it makes no sense. And it would just be like really angry. But that actually would be really cool, now that I'm thinking about it. That would be sick. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[07:23] Okay. A dress made out of just spoons. Like Lady Gaga would wear that.
Speaker 2:
[07:27] Yeah. Yeah. They had a conventional challenge, you know, a hallmark of Project Runway.
Speaker 1:
[07:32] Are you into music festivals? Like, did you look at the Coachella outfits?
Speaker 2:
[07:36] I was forced to because I am on the internet and that's all that they showed me for two weeks. I, like, here's what I really never want to do is like be out at a festival.
Speaker 1:
[07:49] Me neither.
Speaker 2:
[07:50] That's like my hell. It's like be in the sun, hot, sweaty, like dehydrated, peeing in porta potties and having everyone being around you being like, this is the best moment of my life. And I would be like, I would rather be literally be hit by a car than do this.
Speaker 1:
[08:08] I don't mind the heat, but I don't like a lot of people gathered together to listen. And plus I think the music starts to sound the same. Like I watched Sabrina Carpenter, the live feed.
Speaker 2:
[08:20] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[08:21] God bless. But after a while, I'm like, every song sounds the same.
Speaker 2:
[08:23] Yeah. Her music is like that. I like her, but her music is.
Speaker 1:
[08:28] Did you see Madonna?
Speaker 2:
[08:29] Of course. Of course.
Speaker 1:
[08:30] I was a little concerned that Madonna maybe had like a limp or like a sore leg.
Speaker 2:
[08:36] She's like 60 something years old, like she's old. But like body still be banging, I will say. But no, she did, when she performed in New York here, like last year, she had to have like a brace on her knee whenever she performed and stuff. So she, I mean, listen, she's been doing like splits for like her whole life. So she.
Speaker 1:
[08:51] Absolutely. However, I don't know if we all need to be part of the trend of wearing lingerie with corsets.
Speaker 2:
[09:00] No, she's, please. Of all the people, you know that she's never giving it up.
Speaker 1:
[09:04] Never gonna give up.
Speaker 2:
[09:05] She's never giving it up. I mean, Dominic's apoplectic for confessions too. Like, you know what I mean? Like she's like, he's like having a mental breakdown about it. So I mean, I feel like she's got her head on straight for once.
Speaker 1:
[09:19] So Mia's going to stage coach this weekend.
Speaker 2:
[09:21] Oh God.
Speaker 1:
[09:23] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[09:24] And. See, that's when you do this. That's when you do this. When you're how old is she? 17, 18 years old. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:
[09:30] 17, yeah.
Speaker 2:
[09:31] That's when you do this. Not when you're 35 and hate the heat. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:
[09:36] What I need you to know is, my last two weeks have been a roller coaster ride of what are the outfits that we're supposed to wear to this festival. And unbeknownst to me, she thinks she's like the country girl. And so the honky tonk outfits.
Speaker 2:
[09:53] I know, but that's really, she has probably little teeny daisy duke pocket peeker Britney Spears denim shorts. I know exactly what she's wearing. Ready? Here we go.
Speaker 1:
[10:00] Ready?
Speaker 2:
[10:01] Yep.
Speaker 1:
[10:01] Yep.
Speaker 2:
[10:02] Okay. The pocket peeker denim shorts with a belt that has a thing on it, like a country-ish belt with a, what's that called? Like a belt buckle. And then cowboy boots, little cowboy boots. And then she definitely has a little cute tank top, maybe with a fringe jacket over it, but she's too young. She doesn't want the fringe, right?
Speaker 1:
[10:22] Oh, she's full fringe.
Speaker 2:
[10:24] Okay, good. So then she has a little fringe jacket over this little barely-there tank top and a cowboy hat. That's what she's wearing, 100%, right? And big sunglasses.
Speaker 1:
[10:32] I don't know one country music song. I don't know anything.
Speaker 2:
[10:36] Yes, you do. Yes, you do.
Speaker 1:
[10:37] I don't think I do.
Speaker 2:
[10:38] But like Shania?
Speaker 1:
[10:40] I mean, old school stuff.
Speaker 2:
[10:42] Oh, no, not current. Okay, got it, got it.
Speaker 1:
[10:44] I have no clue in the world, but God bless all those people.
Speaker 2:
[10:46] I don't really either. I'm not going to lie to you. I don't know. I know like my OG. I know my Garth Brooks, my Clint Black, my, you know, my dad loved Clint Black.
Speaker 1:
[10:58] He's married to Lisa Hartman, the actress. They were a power couple. Yeah. Brad Paisley, Kimberly, Paisley, Willie.
Speaker 2:
[11:06] Nothing but the tail lights. Clint Black, great song. Oh, Brad Paisley, yes, obviously. He's kind of like, he's funny.
Speaker 1:
[11:15] Sure.
Speaker 2:
[11:16] I never found his music that great. But like Garth Brooks, please, Garth Brooks. Bob Seeger isn't country, but my dad loved Bob Seeger.
Speaker 1:
[11:24] Bob Seeger's great voice. Have we ever discussed when Garth Brooks had an alter ego? The rock one.
Speaker 2:
[11:32] What was called like Chris something, right? Yes. Yes, it was insane.
Speaker 1:
[11:36] We don't talk enough about that.
Speaker 2:
[11:38] No, we really don't. It was like Chris something, and it was like, yeah, he's, yeah. I mean, strange.
Speaker 1:
[11:44] Is he okay?
Speaker 2:
[11:46] Yeah, he's so rich.
Speaker 1:
[11:48] Beyond. Yeah. But I mean, is he okay? Can you imagine if all of a sudden I had an alter ego as a country music star?
Speaker 2:
[11:54] No, but I think that that was a, no.
Speaker 1:
[11:57] For you, no.
Speaker 2:
[11:58] No, Tanya. Speaking of, wait, speaking of Tanya, maybe think of, remember Gretchen Wilson?
Speaker 1:
[12:03] Oh, yes.
Speaker 2:
[12:04] You had the song Redneck Woman, great song. Yes.
Speaker 1:
[12:07] I don't know if it was a great song, but memorable.
Speaker 2:
[12:09] Of course, the chicks, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:
[12:12] Loved the chicks. Great voices.
Speaker 2:
[12:13] Wide open spaces.
Speaker 1:
[12:15] That's a great song.
Speaker 2:
[12:16] Great, like, you were born to fly. Like, oh, such good music.
Speaker 1:
[12:24] All right. Well, there we go.
Speaker 2:
[12:26] Anyway, speaking of country.
Speaker 1:
[12:27] Speaking of country.
Speaker 2:
[12:28] Speaking of accents, wait, speaking of accents. Oh, I'm in love. I'm, Kate, loving our girls in Rhode Island. Loving our girls.
Speaker 1:
[12:40] Maura Murphy this morning, who's from Boston, said, with her Boston accent, she's like, I hate their accents. People in Boston hate Rhode Island accents.
Speaker 2:
[12:50] Why? They all, yeah.
Speaker 1:
[12:52] Because they say it's basically if, like, Boston accent had a baby with a New York accent, they think it's like, it sounds wackadoo.
Speaker 2:
[13:00] You know what? Let them live.
Speaker 1:
[13:02] Here's my question. And you grew up in Pennsylvania, and you live in New York. What's the scuttlebutt? What's the street talk? Are all people in Rhode Island involved with the mafia?
Speaker 2:
[13:16] I don't think so. Because maybe here, because, like, this is the thing about Rhode Island, is that, like, these girls are from, like, not, like, in theory, Rhode Island, like, if you watch The Gilded Age, Rhode Island was, like, the real Hamptons. Like, what we think of now is the Hamptons.
Speaker 1:
[13:33] It was bonkers. Like, money on money on money.
Speaker 2:
[13:37] Like, legacy money in Rhode Island.
Speaker 1:
[13:40] But that's only in Newport, Rhode Island.
Speaker 2:
[13:42] Yes, in Newport. That's what I'm saying. None of these girls are from Newport. That's the thing.
Speaker 1:
[13:45] No, okay.
Speaker 2:
[13:46] The only time I've been to Newport is when we filmed Ruhasas of New York and Lea went crazy. Remember that?
Speaker 1:
[13:53] Wait, can we just, for a moment, go back in time. Martini Mike, he was a great background character in that one, swilling the, you know, Martini. That was a great episode. It was a great trip. How hard did you laugh?
Speaker 2:
[14:06] I don't think I'll ever be allowed to go back to that. We stayed at the Castle Hill Inn. It was gorgeous.
Speaker 1:
[14:12] It was beautiful.
Speaker 2:
[14:13] Like, Kate, gorgeous. And when people knew we were coming there, they were like, oh, go get a drink at the Castle Hill Inn. And the caisson came and just stayed at the place, and he was like, oh, that's where I'm staying. The service was impeccable. It was beautiful. You wrote what you wanted for breakfast the night before and put it on your door, and then it would be there in the morning when you woke up. Like, it was stunning, stunning.
Speaker 1:
[14:37] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[14:38] Would I ever be able to afford this on my own, if not for the show? Absolutely not. Like, absolutely not.
Speaker 1:
[14:43] Can we get some sort of deal with good people that are listening here for this hotel, that we could take a trip there?
Speaker 2:
[14:50] No, they would. Listen, after the damage, we reeked on this place. I'm sure my face is somewhere that's like, do not allow in. Like, so, but it was beautiful. Beautiful. But like, again, Newport is like, in the Gilded Age, they're like, we're going to Newport. Like, blah, blah, blah. And then they go and it's like, the biggest mansions you've ever seen. And I remember when we went there, we went to like, Tinsley has friends there. And we were like, Tinsley, like, let's do like a mansion tour with your friend's house. And it never worked. It didn't end up like working or something, but like, we were gonna have them do like a tour. And it just didn't happen.
Speaker 1:
[15:26] Like, do they live there? I went to a wedding there, and I don't think people lived at this particular mansion.
Speaker 2:
[15:32] They're probably all down like museums and stuff like that. You know what I mean? But like, huge estates that are like breathtaking stuff. These girls, I feel like are like Providence.
Speaker 1:
[15:43] Right.
Speaker 2:
[16:13] I think so.
Speaker 1:
[16:14] In like 80s movies.
Speaker 2:
[16:16] Yes, but I think it's more drugs now than it is anything else.
Speaker 1:
[16:19] Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:
[16:19] You know what I'm saying? I think it's more drugs and things like that than it is like... It's not the Sopranos anymore. You know what I'm saying? Where they are like shaking down people to make them pay. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:
[16:31] Make them pay the car rental bill.
Speaker 2:
[16:33] The car rental fee. Yes. So like not have their business ransacked. I think now it's like drugs.
Speaker 1:
[16:39] Oh.
Speaker 2:
[16:41] What do I know?
Speaker 1:
[16:42] I don't know either. Okay. Well, I think the first question I have for you is, is Liz high all the time?
Speaker 2:
[16:53] I don't think so, but I love her.
Speaker 1:
[16:55] Well, yeah, but two things could be true. You could still love her, but she might be high all the time.
Speaker 2:
[17:00] I don't get that from her though. Do you really? Do you?
Speaker 1:
[17:03] I don't know anything about that world. However, I've had so many people say to me, I hope you understand that she's high in every scene. Again, somebody could be looped up on, you know, I don't know, paste, and I would have no idea. Like, it's like over my head. I'm like, oh, she seems like a fun gal. Like, if I notice it's bad.
Speaker 2:
[17:24] But I don't think she's, I don't think so.
Speaker 1:
[17:26] Okay. Well, it's a cannabis business, so who cares?
Speaker 2:
[17:31] I mean, like, whatever, yeah, no, whatever. But no, I don't think, I don't see it being like so crazy. Cause that's the thing is like, they would make it a thing on the show of being like, she's always high. Like, we would, if we thought that, we'd be like, isn't she high? Like, if she was so blatantly high every day, like when she's showing up to work, wouldn't it be like, does anyone want to point out how high she is? Like.
Speaker 1:
[17:48] Well, I wondered if somebody has a cannabis business, does that often mean that they're high all the time? Or you go the opposite way where you're like, I can't, listen, it's like my mom had a chocolate business. I hate chocolate. Somebody makes spaghetti every day for work, they're not going to eat spaghetti. I don't know, dude, what do you think?
Speaker 2:
[18:04] Kate, the saying is don't get high on your own supply.
Speaker 1:
[18:08] Oh, okay, okay, okay, got it, okay.
Speaker 2:
[18:11] So I don't think that she, I think she's, I don't see that. I think she's like a cartoon character, which I'm obsessed with, but I don't really see her being like, I'm so high. And like that, I mean, it's legal. It's not like it's like an illegal drug. You know what I mean? It's like, there's no reason to not have talk about it than on the show.
Speaker 1:
[18:28] Do you think that people befriend her because she has a cannabis business?
Speaker 2:
[18:33] No.
Speaker 1:
[18:34] No. Okay. She does have a nice house. I could see people are like, you know, they throw great parties and I want to be invited.
Speaker 2:
[18:40] That black bedroom was so ugly. From the outside, it was beautiful, but on the inside, I didn't love it.
Speaker 1:
[18:45] Well, you are a stickler about linens.
Speaker 2:
[18:48] That table that they were like at that weird like queen chair that was like... I did not like the queen chair. I was like, what is this?
Speaker 1:
[18:54] I did not like that.
Speaker 2:
[18:55] And that bedroom, that black one, it's like them fighting in that bathroom and you just see like the random shots of that room. Like it was so dark and like layer-ish and not in a good way.
Speaker 1:
[19:03] Oh, by the way, by the time it's there, my bedroom is like dark green.
Speaker 2:
[19:06] My bedroom is dark green. I have a dark bedroom, but like that, it was like black. I was like, ooh.
Speaker 1:
[19:11] Wait, is your bedroom like the girl Jessica on Love is Blind and with all the snakes?
Speaker 2:
[19:15] No, it is kind of that color.
Speaker 1:
[19:17] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[19:17] A little bit.
Speaker 1:
[19:18] A little bit.
Speaker 2:
[19:19] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[19:20] Okay. A lot of the husbands here seem eager for camera time.
Speaker 2:
[19:26] They make the New Jersey husbands look like Rhodes Scholars. Like they, like they, these cartoon, I'm obsessed with every single one of them. Like, and their accents are worse than the girls.
Speaker 1:
[19:38] Truly. Yes.
Speaker 2:
[19:40] Okay. Should we just go through, like?
Speaker 1:
[19:41] Let's go through.
Speaker 2:
[19:42] Let's just go through.
Speaker 1:
[19:43] Okay. Go ahead.
Speaker 2:
[19:44] Where do you want to start?
Speaker 1:
[19:46] At the beginning. Go.
Speaker 2:
[19:48] Okay. JoEllen, I love her. I love that they're immediately like, this is the villain. She's a monster. And like, everyone, she's so mean and just be ready. Like, they immediately are just like, know that she will destroy you. And it's like, great. Don't even need to figure that out for myself. You're just telling me. I love it.
Speaker 1:
[20:04] And the fact her name is JoEllen. I mean, when do you hear that anymore?
Speaker 2:
[20:07] Love it. Love it. They all have, it's so funny because it's like, it's either the weirdest name ever, or like, I had to literally like sit down last night when I was watching and be like, okay, like. I was like, Alisha, Alisha. I had to like do the like commit their name to their face thing. Like, you know what I mean? Like, and then I had to be like, Ashley, Ashley. Like, because Ashley, Rosie and Kelsey, like could have been any of them. You know what I mean? Like, could it really be like, okay, like this one is this. Like this one is this. Okay, JoEllen. And then her husband is like, when he's in that sparkly suit, when they're like having that confrontation at that weird table, I was obsessed with him. And I was like, wait, why is he hot though? Like, I'm like, why am I attracted to him? Like, and he's like big and burly and has a nice body. They were like showing that in the one scene. And like, I was like, wait, why do I? And he was like, you should have come to me and not to my wife. You know, their accents are so good.
Speaker 1:
[21:07] So good. The sauna scene. He was hopping in that sauna scene.
Speaker 2:
[21:11] He was like him and the sister that used to date. I was like, guys, don't do that. Don't do what? Stop. When she's not there and so she's filling in as the mom. I was like, how dare they be talked into this scene?
Speaker 1:
[21:22] She's filling in for the mom in more ways than one.
Speaker 2:
[21:25] Yeah, and then it's like, he probably touched her boobs in high school. I'm like, stop telling me this.
Speaker 1:
[21:32] Why did they have a falling out? I know they became friends again in 2010 after the father died, but what do you think the falling out was? Was it over Gary?
Speaker 2:
[21:39] I don't know.
Speaker 1:
[21:41] I need to talk about that.
Speaker 2:
[21:43] I mean, probably, what do you think?
Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
[23:29] Was she the one that was, oh no, this was Kelsey that was saying, oh no, Rosie, oh god, I don't even know them apart. The one that was like, we didn't have a Catholic. It was Rosie, because she doesn't have kids, and she was like, I wanted, my mom wanted to have a Catholic wedding. Yeah, I don't know, I'm loving Joelle, I'm loving Joellen, I'm loving her husband.
Speaker 1:
[23:51] I'm surprised they don't have more like Giuseppe, like Whackadoo names.
Speaker 2:
[23:56] I know.
Speaker 1:
[23:57] The kids.
Speaker 2:
[23:57] It's like Jerry.
Speaker 1:
[23:59] No, but the kids too. I mean, they all kind of.
Speaker 2:
[24:01] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like Frank. You know what I mean? It's like, what does Joellen do for work? Is she a real estate agent?
Speaker 1:
[24:09] No, she does medical sales, or like plastic surgery sales or something.
Speaker 2:
[24:13] Yeah, yeah, okay, that makes sense. She's willing to do it. She's at that conference or whatever, I was like, what does she wear?
Speaker 1:
[24:17] Probably like selling lasers.
Speaker 2:
[24:18] I was like, for what? No, I like that though, that's fun. Like to like sell like a laser machine.
Speaker 1:
[24:22] That's why I think she knows all the doctors in town, so she's on the up and up about the new procedures and how to get tight.
Speaker 2:
[24:27] I find her so pretty. I find her so pretty and like has done a little bit, but like really good work and like looks good and like doesn't look crazy.
Speaker 1:
[24:34] Well, yeah, cause she's got the hook up. She knows all the doctors and what's going on.
Speaker 2:
[24:37] I like, I'm like so into her and she's just like mean as a whip and I love it.
Speaker 1:
[24:41] She's mean to probably like, she probably goes to the doctor's offices and is like, what is this shit that's going on in your office? You got to fix that, get that. And they're probably like listening to her.
Speaker 2:
[24:51] Yeah, period, ABC, always be closin, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:
[24:55] That's cool. Yeah, I like that they all by the way have backstories, like yeah, I've known her since she was six, so she's been a goddamn nightmare.
Speaker 2:
[25:05] The minute that it was like, we've known each other since we were kids, blah, blah, like that's when you know, and this is the key to a Real Housewives show, period, period, is that people loosely actually really know each other, and that they like, I've known this person for this long, this person and this person are friends because of blank. All of our ones that are still successful now and still on the show, still on the air are ones that they actually did know each other. Like, for example, like, Delores and Teresa have known each other since they were kids. Like, Kim and Kyle are sisters, you know what I mean? And Kyle knew Lisa Vanderpump, and then blah, blah, blah, and this, you know what I mean? Like, Ramona, Sonia Luanne, and Dorinda all would go to the same parties and knew each other really well.
Speaker 1:
[25:57] Yeah, because, like, in the moment when Alicia talks about her Spanish teacher was married to Rula's husband, and she was the mistress, she says it in a way, like, no sweat off my back, everybody knows this in town. But if it had been somebody that she had just met, Alicia would have been taken down, like, you know, why are you obsessed with me? Why are you looking me up? Who are you talking to? Yeah, whole different thing, go.
Speaker 2:
[26:24] Okay, speaking of Alicia.
Speaker 1:
[26:25] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[26:27] Her accent gets, I'm obsessed with her.
Speaker 1:
[26:30] I'm obsessed with her aunts, too.
Speaker 2:
[26:32] Loved them, loved them. And they were like, my husband wandered. And she's like, he wanted? And she's like, he wandered. And she goes, oh, wandered. Like, it was, that was so good. I love all the aunts.
Speaker 1:
[26:45] I love the mom who like, And they're like, we've been there, we've done that.
Speaker 2:
[26:48] My husband was worse. Gotta blow out and wears like the ugliest way to dress you. Like, they just, oh, I love them so much.
Speaker 1:
[26:56] Do you think they really do like Brian, the husband, though, or the fiance? Do you think they, oh, we love Brian, but like, do they?
Speaker 2:
[27:03] Wait, which one's Brian? You're saying these names as if I don't know.
Speaker 1:
[27:05] Okay, so Alicia has been engaged to Brian for God knows how many years. Alicia's the one who has all the dolls in the house that she doesn't play with, but collects them. And she has had a lot of fiancees.
Speaker 2:
[27:16] Hits someone with her car?
Speaker 1:
[27:17] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[27:18] Remember, and she's like, hey, I'm the one with the car. She's like, that's why I don't drive anymore.
Speaker 1:
[27:21] Right.
Speaker 2:
[27:21] And I was like, obsessed. She, and she doesn't have financial stability.
Speaker 1:
[27:29] No, but she started Pizza Mama.
Speaker 2:
[27:31] You know, why aren't we at Pizza Mama?
Speaker 1:
[27:33] PS.
Speaker 2:
[27:34] Why aren't we there? Why aren't we at Pizza Mama?
Speaker 1:
[27:38] Well, we were for a minute. She was like, hey, girls, do you want to do some like, should we like revamp the business? And they're all like, oh, yes, of course. That's a great idea because they're like 12 year olds.
Speaker 2:
[27:48] I need to have a party.
Speaker 1:
[27:49] She does. She does like a like a drive by. She walks in and I need to see.
Speaker 2:
[27:54] I need real scene work there. Like we're at this this coffee shop that this guy has, which we'll get there.
Speaker 1:
[27:59] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[27:59] Like I love Alicia. Okay. And then the guy, what is his name? Alicia and Brian. Okay. Well, let me like get a picture of him.
Speaker 1:
[28:05] Oh, yeah. No, Billy. Alicia's with Billy.
Speaker 2:
[28:09] Okay. Here's the thing. Some of them have like hot husbands. Then some of them have husbands that are like road hard and put away wet. And that's like upset to see all of them together. To say the least.
Speaker 1:
[28:19] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[28:19] You know what I mean? Like, I don't love seeing them.
Speaker 1:
[28:21] But despite that, these... I don't know what kind of word we could come up for these guys.
Speaker 2:
[28:30] Gibronies.
Speaker 1:
[28:31] These spuds. They act as if they're getting girls left and right, and maybe they are, and I don't get why.
Speaker 2:
[28:40] Because I think they are. I think that they are, Kate.
Speaker 1:
[28:43] No, but why?
Speaker 2:
[28:44] I don't love that.
Speaker 1:
[28:45] There's just like not a lot of women there?
Speaker 2:
[28:46] I think that that's like hot in Rhode Island. Where they live, that's like a hot guy. And I think that they want the money. Alicia wants pizza mama so she cannot be with him anymore. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:
[29:00] Right, right, right, yeah.
Speaker 2:
[29:02] She's like, I made this business for you, and now it's all yours. Which like, that's stupid. What's wrong with you? And they're all yelling at her in that scene. But it's because she doesn't want to have to be with him to have money, like to have money.
Speaker 1:
[29:16] Yeah, you know what's confusing though? They are engaged, but then she doesn't feel like she's got stability. But if they get married, then she has some sort of fine, a little bit more of leverage.
Speaker 2:
[29:27] I know, but I don't think she wants to be married.
Speaker 1:
[29:29] Okay, so what you're saying is she wants to...
Speaker 2:
[29:32] Be gone.
Speaker 1:
[29:33] Be gone. Fly, fly girl, fly.
Speaker 2:
[29:35] She wants to be like, I own 50% of this business, and now I don't need to be engaged to you. I don't need to ask your D anymore, so that you give me money. I just have money because I have ownership of this.
Speaker 1:
[29:45] So, back to my original question, do you think the aunts understand this? Because they're like, we love Billy, but they're lying. They actually hate him.
Speaker 2:
[29:51] I know. I think that they're like, be with your husband. Like, just be with your husband. You know what I mean? I think they're like, you know what I mean? They're like, why are you trying to do this? Just be with him. Like, he's a piece of shit, but like, just be with him.
Speaker 1:
[30:02] That's how men are.
Speaker 2:
[30:03] Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, that's, they're old school. You know what I mean? Because again, she's like, my husband wants it.
Speaker 1:
[30:10] Pizza, pizza chips. They look disgusting.
Speaker 2:
[30:13] They look terrible. And then what's her name? Which one is?
Speaker 1:
[30:17] Ashley.
Speaker 2:
[30:18] I love Ashley. Ashley's my favorite one. PS. And she's like, this, why is there no cheese? Like, the point of having pizza is to eat cheese. So like, what is this? I loved it.
Speaker 1:
[30:26] Yes. Okay. So Alicia is doing the show so she can have her own financial stability and leave him eventually. Thank God. Okay.
Speaker 2:
[30:35] And like, she's got a hot little body on her too. She's like, those big rubies that she has. Like, I'm like into her. I love her accent.
Speaker 1:
[30:41] I love the fact she does Jane's Fonda workouts. Not Jane, but Jane's. One time a week, YouTube.
Speaker 2:
[30:49] Love it. Like the thigh master. Literally the thigh master. Like, that's what she is.
Speaker 1:
[30:52] Here's my question. How can women say that and then have like a tiny teeny like bikini Malibu Barbie body and work out one time a week and eat pizza chips? How is this all possible in the world?
Speaker 2:
[31:04] Kate, because that's all she ate all day. Stop.
Speaker 1:
[31:07] But that's still carbohydrates.
Speaker 2:
[31:09] I know, but no. But then she doesn't eat for two days.
Speaker 1:
[31:13] Do you know what I mean? Wouldn't she be like so weak?
Speaker 2:
[31:16] Yeah. Look at her.
Speaker 1:
[31:19] She doesn't drive.
Speaker 2:
[31:19] That's a good point. I love her. I'm obsessed with her whenever she's like talking. And then when, who would she get in a fight with? Kelsey, right?
Speaker 1:
[31:27] Rosie.
Speaker 2:
[31:28] No, Rosie. See, I don't see. But when she got in that fight with Rosie, and she was like, you're a snake. I don't like you. She goes, you tried to do something. I don't like it. And she's like, you're not hard. You're not hard. I was like, get her.
Speaker 1:
[31:40] But when she's like, I'll take you down or in her own way, I'm like, I don't think you could last one round in the boxing ring.
Speaker 2:
[31:46] No, God, no. She'd break apart.
Speaker 1:
[31:48] She hasn't had any food.
Speaker 2:
[31:49] She read a little book. No, but I'm, you're not hard. I always said that like six times. My friend was saying to me, he's like, what are you saying? I'm like, you're not hard. Love that. I really want to do that thing where you like pedal on the train tracks. I think it'd be so fun.
Speaker 1:
[32:05] It does look nice.
Speaker 2:
[32:05] It looks so cute and so beautiful with the, and then with like the little, what was it, Oceanscape?
Speaker 1:
[32:11] Here's my question. Do you bring a picnic basket? Do you wear a backpack with the wine?
Speaker 2:
[32:16] I think you have to wear a backpack. Or I bet you, you pay them and then they bring all your stuff to the end.
Speaker 1:
[32:20] Okay. We're going to have to do that. Or you're going to have to do the backpack because I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2:
[32:23] I think you can do it like in New Jersey somewhere.
Speaker 1:
[32:25] Oh, really?
Speaker 2:
[32:26] Next time you come, we'll do it with the kids. Wouldn't that be fun?
Speaker 1:
[32:29] Not with my kids. I want to.
Speaker 2:
[32:31] You want to drink and be away from them? Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[32:34] Yeah, bye. Okay, who do we move to next?
Speaker 2:
[32:39] Okay, explain Ashley to me.
Speaker 1:
[32:41] Okay, here's the background. Yes. Okay. So she was a contestant on The Bachelorette, and she was just known for crying all the time. The drop of the hat, she cried.
Speaker 2:
[32:51] Was she The Bachelorette?
Speaker 1:
[32:52] No, no, no.
Speaker 2:
[32:52] She was one of the 25 women.
Speaker 1:
[32:54] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[32:54] Got it. Okay.
Speaker 1:
[32:55] She always had fantastic bathing suits. Just like real stylish, super cute, but always crying. And then she ended up going to Bachelorette Paradise. Remember that was the spinoff where they would go to that ugly beach, and there was only like one, there was like a shack where you could go and stay if you were hooking up with somebody. So she falls deeply madly in love with Jared. And Jared is sort of like, likes the attention from her, but is also like looking at all the options, because at that point, he's like fresh from bartending in Rhode Island, and like now on a TV show.
Speaker 2:
[33:31] And he was on The Bachelorette?
Speaker 1:
[33:33] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[33:33] Okay, got it.
Speaker 1:
[33:34] So she falls deeply madly in love with him, and you're like, are these two going to ever get together? They seem to be best friends. So then she comes on my show, she was my first guest I ever had on my podcast, number one.
Speaker 2:
[33:48] Ashley was?
Speaker 1:
[33:49] Ashley was, yes. And so off the show, I was asking her about what was going on with Jared, and she said, at that time, it was, we're going back 10 years, she said, well, we're such, we're best friends, we talk all the time, he sends me roses, but like he doesn't, you know, acknowledge that, like in public. And I think he was like riding high on the fumes of being on a TV show and a lot of attention.
Speaker 2:
[34:13] Sure.
Speaker 1:
[34:14] So then she goes on a show called Bachelor Winter Games, which was around for one hot, yeah, they took all these like Bachelor nation people and they took them to Canada or some other cold place and they had them partake in Winter Olympic sports. So she was paired with Kevin, who's Canadian and was like the Canadian bachelor, who's like a former hockey player or something. And they had to do figure skating together. I'm not making this up. I'm not making this up. I'm not making this up. This is real. So they did figure skating and then they had like a little thing. I think for Jared, he was beside himself.
Speaker 2:
[34:53] Yeah, and then he was like, oh wait, you like someone else?
Speaker 1:
[34:56] Thank you. So then she comes off Winter Games and then they got together and then they got married in a beautiful setting in her castle and it was a beautiful wedding and they have two kids now.
Speaker 2:
[35:09] Interesting.
Speaker 1:
[35:10] And so she has a podcast with Ben Higgins. It's like a bachelor one. Now they talk about other stuff, but she's like an old school influencer because she...
Speaker 2:
[35:18] Got it. Because she was on the bachelor like 10 years ago.
Speaker 1:
[35:20] Yes. And beloved. She and Jared are beloved in the bachelor nation world. And all the people that were other contestants, they all love them too.
Speaker 2:
[35:27] I love them. He's so handsome.
Speaker 1:
[35:29] Very nice people. Very nice people.
Speaker 2:
[35:32] He's like, he's so hot.
Speaker 1:
[35:34] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[35:34] And then the rest of them are so not. Like, you know what I mean? Like he's so much hotter than all the rest of them. I did see the thing where she like had to come, I saw on the internet where she came back after being eliminated and was like, let me stay. And they were like, okay, or whatever. And in that thing, I was like, he's so hot. Like, he's beautiful.
Speaker 1:
[35:50] Yeah. And really nice. And they're funny. Like she's obsessed. One of her quirks is that she's obsessed with boy bands. Like in sync is her obsession.
Speaker 2:
[36:01] I love, and she's, I find her so pretty. I find her so fun.
Speaker 1:
[36:03] She's gorgeous.
Speaker 2:
[36:04] Like, yeah, I'm really into that.
Speaker 1:
[36:05] Funny, self-deprecating, very self-deprecating. Like when she was pregnant, she would take pictures of herself with zits and everything and make fun of herself, which I really love. And he's obsessed with Tom Brady. So if they've been out in public and they see Tom Brady, like he's like basically like crying.
Speaker 2:
[36:19] Oh, God.
Speaker 1:
[36:20] And she'll take pictures where Tom Brady is like holding their son. They're just really good, nice people. But she's very sensitive. She cries all the time. Drop of a hat.
Speaker 2:
[36:28] I like, I feel like she's the middle. I feel like Liz is the middle, but I feel like Ashley is very much like the one that like, she's like very needed because she's going to be like.
Speaker 1:
[36:36] She's like the hard stone.
Speaker 2:
[36:37] She's the heart of the show. Yes, like the rock of the show. You know what I mean? Like she, I really like them. And they're fun and he's like, oh, I'm working at this coffee. He has this business and he's doing this coffee shop and he's really trying really hard and then it's so much and he's so stressed. I don't know, I like that.
Speaker 1:
[36:52] I'm like concerned.
Speaker 2:
[36:53] That's a good story. I like them having to work through that.
Speaker 1:
[36:54] I want him to have the business, but I'm worried he works all the time.
Speaker 2:
[36:58] But also just hire someone else to do it for you. Like, you don't even know. But then you can't, you gotta be there.
Speaker 1:
[37:04] Maybe, didn't, I mean, listen, I don't even drink coffee, but it made me realize owning a coffee shop is an absolute nightmare.
Speaker 2:
[37:10] Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:
[37:11] Like in a new cappuccino machine.
Speaker 2:
[37:13] No, it's a lot of work.
Speaker 1:
[37:14] Oh, no, he has to be nice to everybody that walks in, and they're pissed about their drink, and he has to be like, I am so excited to make you another drink.
Speaker 2:
[37:22] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[37:22] I could not do that.
Speaker 2:
[37:23] But I feel like he's like that, though.
Speaker 1:
[37:25] I know, I think he's really nice.
Speaker 2:
[37:27] Yeah, and she feels like the one that's gonna tell it to you straight. Like, she's like in her interview, she's like, and then this happens, and she's like annoyed. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:
[37:34] But crying when she does it.
Speaker 2:
[37:35] Yes, yeah, yeah, like I'm so into her. Okay, okay. Rosie.
Speaker 1:
[37:42] Okay, so Rosie is with the Frank Sinatra guy, who has a side business where he performs. And Rosie has the pink jeep, and they live in the house, they're reconstructing. And she said in this episode, she's not sure if she wants to have children. And then Ashley is like, oh, you may regret it. That's what a lot of moms, like really small kids, will say stuff like that, because they want you to be in their club because they're drowning, and they're like, no one who was my friend before kids will hang out with me anymore. So I'm going to bring you into the club so that we can all be like buzz kills and sleep deprived for the duration of the next three years while we have toddlers.
Speaker 2:
[38:27] Which piece, you tried to make me do this.
Speaker 1:
[38:29] Of course I did.
Speaker 2:
[38:30] Because I want people to be part of it. You and Asan could have kids. And I was like, no. And she was like, just, you're gonna figure it out. I was like, I said no.
Speaker 1:
[38:39] But now I'm out of that. Because now Caroline's seven. So now I go, oh, thank god you don't have kids. Now we can go on trips.
Speaker 2:
[38:45] Yeah, literally.
Speaker 1:
[38:46] But people do that when they have little babies. They're like, no, you're gonna love it. It's the greatest joy of your life. And then you saddle up to somebody who has older kids. And they're like, do whatever you want. Who gives a shit? It's because they want you to be like part of their life and their milestones. You and, you know, Johnny and your child can be, you know, at Jamboree together.
Speaker 2:
[39:06] Yeah, yeah, I don't love it. And she's like, I never wanted kids. And so like, why would I have them? And I'm like, yeah, then don't don't do it. I'm like, I want to change it.
Speaker 1:
[39:15] Yeah, she should.
Speaker 2:
[39:17] And then she was like an anchor.
Speaker 1:
[39:19] OK, OK, so she was like the weather girl. But OK, the whole scene about love, love it. I had colitis and then I went to medical leave and they were like, she had an affair with like the president of the like the news corporation.
Speaker 2:
[39:33] Love it.
Speaker 1:
[39:34] Where's that guy? Can I get a picture of him?
Speaker 2:
[39:35] I need to see. I mean, that's going to come. I mean, they're going to have to come out. That's going to come out, right? And I have to fight about it, like, which is good.
Speaker 1:
[39:42] And then they might have to bring in that guy's wife as like a friend of the show. She's got to come to parties and there's going to have to be a showdown.
Speaker 2:
[39:49] Well, and I like that they and then again, she's like, he likes to flip houses, right?
Speaker 1:
[39:53] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[39:54] And I'm like, this is my father. Like, when I saw him first, I met my parents. Like, my dad was like, oh, and then I'm gonna hear your dad's like, my son's like, oh, your dad is like doing all this stuff at the house. And I go, and then the minute it's all done, he's gonna put a for sale sign on the front. And he was like, what? It's like, I don't even, like, this is years ago now. And he's like, what? And I go, you watch. They'll sell the house and they'll move back, like, they'll move when all the work is done that we could possibly be done on this house, my dad will sell this house, period.
Speaker 1:
[40:17] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[40:18] And that's, it's so my father, it's not even funny.
Speaker 1:
[40:21] But does he allude to, well, this might be my forever home?
Speaker 2:
[40:24] No.
Speaker 1:
[40:25] No.
Speaker 2:
[40:25] Because it's never a forever, no.
Speaker 1:
[40:26] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[40:27] No.
Speaker 1:
[40:27] At least he's transparent.
Speaker 2:
[40:29] Um, anywho, I'm loving them. I love her pink jeep.
Speaker 1:
[40:35] And what, did you see the scene when she was on the beach, like, recording something for YouTube?
Speaker 2:
[40:40] And then they looked it up and it was like a hundred views.
Speaker 1:
[40:42] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[40:43] I know. They're like ruthless.
Speaker 1:
[40:45] They are ruthless. But God bless her because I know she probably paid those people to go to the beach and the whole thing. And that makes me sad. I want to, I want success for Rosie.
Speaker 2:
[40:55] Well, it's also like old school housewives. They're all like, I have like, remember when Lou Ann was like at the Kmart and the Hamptons being like, I'm here with like, it's me and we're talking about them. You know what I mean? Like, it's very like, I want to be a reality star. True.
Speaker 1:
[41:06] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[41:10] Yeah. She, I like her.
Speaker 1:
[41:12] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[41:13] Rula.
Speaker 1:
[41:15] Rula didn't even come into the second episode. She like made an entrance. Rula.
Speaker 2:
[41:21] Rulala.
Speaker 1:
[41:22] She seems, she got to be honest, she seems like she was ruthless in her early days.
Speaker 2:
[41:26] Yeah. And ruthless now. I'm into her though. I mean, her, this relationship is going to collapse, right?
Speaker 1:
[41:33] Yes. Do we think that?
Speaker 2:
[41:35] He won't even say anything about it on the show. And it's like there's pictures on the internet about it.
Speaker 1:
[41:42] It's sometimes weird when I see the picture of the mistress. I'm kind of thrown off, especially if they look completely different than the wife. It's just like, which I know shouldn't be a surprise, like sometimes.
Speaker 2:
[41:53] No, but it's like that's because it's not about looks. Because I find her like gorgeous. I think she's beautiful. She's like this big booby, like big fake boobs that like guys love. You know what I mean? And they're like up to her, at her throat. And like she has a great body and like is gorgeous. And it's not about that. It's about like something.
Speaker 1:
[42:11] The thrill of the hunt.
Speaker 2:
[42:14] And then whenever they were like, well, you were married before. And she's like, my family wasn't about me to talk about that. Like upset, they all have skeletons. Like that's the thing. It's like every single one of them.
Speaker 1:
[42:23] Which is good. Cause I want to like, I want a life well lived. I want somebody who's just been like-
Speaker 2:
[42:27] Someone that has been there, been there to do it.
Speaker 1:
[42:29] Been there in the trenches.
Speaker 2:
[42:30] You're not like, what am I? It's like, no, no, no, no. I need to, you need to know who you are.
Speaker 1:
[42:34] We're like, my parents are still married and I married my husband when I was 24 and we go to church every Sunday. And I'm still best friends with my girlfriends from high school. You should not be on a reality show.
Speaker 2:
[42:45] No, no, move it along.
Speaker 1:
[42:46] Get out.
Speaker 2:
[42:49] Love her, love her family together. It reminded me of like filming like Jen Aiden's family sometimes.
Speaker 1:
[42:53] Yes, okay, yes.
Speaker 2:
[42:55] They reminded me of like Jen Aiden's family with like all her siblings and her mom. And I love the mom being like, they're all sitting there and having the food, the mom's there, like, I loved her mom, and her mom's like hot, and then the sister's really pretty. And like, I love her, like, I'm into that. I'm ready for that.
Speaker 1:
[43:08] You know what else I do like too? I like to see cultural stuff. Like, I want to see all the food on the table.
Speaker 2:
[43:15] Yeah, like the Lebanese, all the Lebanese food looks so good.
Speaker 1:
[43:17] But typically I don't like the restaurant scenes. I know that you don't have a problem with them, but it's like, so what would you like from the menu? Well, I would love to start with the oysters, and then could I do the tuna fish sandwich on a toasted rye? Shoot me, I can't stand that. However, I did like to see the Lebanese table with all the food.
Speaker 2:
[43:34] Yeah, it looked so good.
Speaker 1:
[43:37] Her husband, not attractive.
Speaker 2:
[43:39] No.
Speaker 1:
[43:39] He looks like he has throbbing veins on the side of his face. He looks like he's perpetually sweating, and he looks like he wears bowling shirts.
Speaker 2:
[43:48] He's, yes, yes, Kate. And he's also like, he's that guy that would like hit on you at a bar, and you'd be like, this is disgusting. Do you know what I mean? Like, of course, he's out at a bar being like, hey, yo, you know, and he thinks he's like, he thinks, oh, he does.
Speaker 1:
[44:02] He thinks he's going to talk to Jared about how he can get himself on The Bachelor.
Speaker 2:
[44:05] Yeah, literally, literally. I mean, right there, they're headed for Splitsville, right? I'm sure.
Speaker 1:
[44:12] Well, you have an affair when your lovely wife is the Spanish teacher in town and you thought you could away with it. Maybe you did for a couple of years, but now it's coming back to haunt you because your wife's on a reality show. Do you think this is going to hurt his mistress game that his wife's on a reality show now?
Speaker 2:
[44:28] No, because I think, I don't know. I think people like love it, which is disgusting.
Speaker 1:
[44:35] Okay, like Joe Gorgon when he's out and about in the real world are people like, oh my God, Joey, it's you.
Speaker 2:
[44:40] Oh my God, yes, 100 percent. When I'm there with them and we're filming, people are like that, you know what I mean? And like Melissa's there.
Speaker 1:
[44:55] I definitely need a husband on these shows. It's like a little bit of a meatball who likes attention. But I don't want them to have too much, I don't want them to be on camera too much, I don't like it.
Speaker 2:
[45:04] No, they're in a good, I will say they're doing a good balance of not being so camera hungry, but they are involved. And we do love their characters on the show. I feel that they're doing a good job of that so far. Do you agree?
Speaker 1:
[45:16] Yes, I also like, I know that they're mothers, and I see just a snapshot of it, but it's not heavy on little Frankie is going to go baseball now.
Speaker 2:
[45:28] Yep. I like that. I like that you see that the kids are there, but it's not about the kids.
Speaker 1:
[45:32] Exactly. And I like that Liz has older stepdaughters. That's when I want them to circle back, because the teens and young adults will be like, yeah, this narrative that they're telling you that they were like Mary Poppins is complete bullshit.
Speaker 2:
[45:46] Yeah. Love that. I love Liz. Love Liz. Her voice is out of this world. Everything about her, her big, huge titties, like that one outfit where she's like, that orange leather with her tits like up at her earlobes and then that necklace over it, I'm like obsessed with it.
Speaker 1:
[46:04] Or like the cutout dress.
Speaker 2:
[46:06] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[46:06] Absa steel. Jane Svante.
Speaker 2:
[46:08] I mean, Jane Svante. And she, when she's like, like it's literally the nanny, like that's what it, like he's like, oh, we're gonna be here, we're gonna, it's literally the nanny.
Speaker 1:
[46:19] You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:
[46:20] Like, I'm obsessed with her. I love her and her husband.
Speaker 1:
[46:23] But why does she look exactly like Dolores?
Speaker 2:
[46:26] And she looks exactly like her. It is so funny. And to see them in person together, which I have, is incredible.
Speaker 1:
[46:33] So is Dolores necessary, or do you think it's because they need, Dolores, does she have to come in and go, okay, guys, like this is how we make a show. This is what you need to do.
Speaker 2:
[46:43] No, I think that she was there. She knows, like she's connected to one of them. So I think she's coming around and she's gonna be there and then she's gonna be out.
Speaker 1:
[46:50] Does she really rent a house in Rhode Island for a couple weeks here?
Speaker 2:
[46:53] She rented a house, yeah. I don't like go, I've never been to it or anything, but she does know Liz legitimately. You know what I mean? And so it's like.
Speaker 1:
[47:04] Well, my roommate in college was from Connecticut, but her family had a house in Rhode Island where they would go for the summer. But people in New Jersey, and it's just weird to me because my sister lives in New Jersey, like at the beach, so they just go to Jersey Beach. So is that a tip? Like people in New Jersey rent houses in Rhode Island?
Speaker 2:
[47:20] I have no idea. But I know that Delores has been at the Jersey Shore a million times, and she's like, give me a wave. Like, I've done it.
Speaker 1:
[47:26] I've been here, done that.
Speaker 2:
[47:27] And in her horizons.
Speaker 1:
[47:27] Take me somewhere new.
Speaker 2:
[47:28] I know.
Speaker 1:
[47:29] Okay. That makes sense.
Speaker 2:
[47:30] Yeah. It is good to, I feel good having Delores be there, like to have someone we really know, like even just at the all cast parties where she's like, and remember she's like, oh, these people are going over here. And then you're like, you like, that's, I just like, did she report back to you at all?
Speaker 1:
[47:45] Like, oh my God, these broads are just wild.
Speaker 2:
[47:48] A little bit. I was like, how's it going? She's like, good. She's like, they're really good. That, you know, they're crazy, boba, something, you know, she, but she loves, like, she really likes them.
Speaker 1:
[47:54] And she does like this weird thing where someone could tell her some absolute craziness, but she does, she just like, doesn't totally give her opinion.
Speaker 2:
[48:05] And she's like, oh, yeah, she's like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:
[48:07] Oh, wow. I don't know if I like that. Like, she doesn't totally go there. I don't think I could do that. I'd be like, that's, that's, that person's a horrible person and you need to tell them.
Speaker 2:
[48:23] Should we talk? Who else? We have, oh, Kelsey.
Speaker 1:
[48:25] Okay. Sarah Galley does this thing, which is so funny. She refers to the boyfriend that's been there for, you know, she's been living in his house for 10 years. She refers to him as redacted.
Speaker 2:
[48:36] I mean, that's what he is. Who is he? Do we know who it is?
Speaker 1:
[48:39] I do know, yes. His name is John Caprio and his father, Judge Frank Caprio, was super famous because he, you'd see him in TV clips, like, kind of like shorter Italian guy and he'd tell it like it is, but he was also like a loving grandfather and, you know, not give somebody some sort of sentence or a fine, like throw them a bone. Beloved, beloved, beloved. And then my sources embedded in the state of Rhode Island, including the government, have told me that their family really does enjoy the limelight. So it is confusing that he wouldn't want to be acknowledged on the show, but can film in the house. I've also been told he previously dated Paula Abdul and still has a relationship in some capacity with her. And Paula does come back to the ocean state.
Speaker 2:
[49:30] Paula Abdul?
Speaker 1:
[49:31] Oh yeah, and he's got a Kelsey 2.0 in Miami. So when he leaves Rhode Island, then he goes to...
Speaker 2:
[49:38] Yeah, he's like with his other girlfriend.
Speaker 1:
[49:39] And she looks just like her. Which, bring back Real Housewives of Miami, we got to bring her on to that show and do a crossover. Kelsey's got to go have some confrontation with the other woman in Miami.
Speaker 2:
[49:51] I also, I love that she's like, I'm in this arrangement, but this isn't what I want forever. I'm like, great storyline. Like, great storyline. It's always good when you get them in a place where they're like, I'm ready for a change, and I'm gonna now do it on this show. And use it as a vehicle to tell my narrative of my life on the show. It's so good. That is so modern and cool that she's like, I am in a polyamorous situation, and I don't know if it's for me because I want to be able to get married and have kids, and I know that this guy's never gonna get married to me. Love it.
Speaker 1:
[50:27] But I'm worried about her. What is she gonna do for work? Oh, that's right. She's on a reality show. So now I don't worry about her. She do cameos.
Speaker 2:
[50:33] Instagram is what she's doing for work now. We're good to go.
Speaker 1:
[50:36] I just wanna fly. Yep, she's fine. What's her song? What's the soundtrack of her life right now?
Speaker 2:
[50:45] I don't even know, but... Then the guy, she's like, Billy LaRopa is coming, and he's like, hey, Kelce. And she's like, and then when it cut back to that family, it's like, when's my son-in-law Billy gonna propose to you? And I just love that, oh, it's so good.
Speaker 1:
[51:05] Now, Billy wears odd clothing.
Speaker 2:
[51:10] Yeah, they all do.
Speaker 1:
[51:11] I worry about him.
Speaker 2:
[51:13] They all do.
Speaker 1:
[51:17] Previous experience in pageantry, help or hinder?
Speaker 2:
[51:22] Help.
Speaker 1:
[51:23] Okay. It sounds like the redacted was involved in getting her into the pageant world.
Speaker 2:
[51:31] Probably.
Speaker 1:
[51:34] Do you think he made a case in his house for her tiara?
Speaker 2:
[51:44] Yeah, probably. That house is humongous.
Speaker 1:
[51:46] Why does somebody need a house that big?
Speaker 2:
[51:47] No, I don't know.
Speaker 1:
[51:49] What a waste.
Speaker 2:
[51:50] But that's like how it is. And I love that it's like, it's very much like you see the overhead of the houses and it's like, here's the plot of land and then like, it's just the house. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:
[51:58] Okay, caveat that with, as we move about the house in the beginning, the architecture is all focaccia. It looks like there's been addition on top of addition on top of addition, and the addition was done by, I don't know, different people every time. Scranton?
Speaker 2:
[52:16] And they like truly, all the houses, none of the houses are good.
Speaker 1:
[52:22] They're terrible.
Speaker 2:
[52:23] They're terrible. And again, I love it. I'm like, yep, we're the worst, the worst interior I've ever seen in my life. And my eyes are being held open. And they're like, I'm literally just like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. My eyes are the matrix, the little things in the matrix, like the green things falling down. That's me watching the screen of just like, it's the worst interior you've ever seen in your entire life. Great. I mean, I'm feeling good. We're like, there's real drama.
Speaker 1:
[52:54] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[52:55] They're also funny. Like I'm laughing with them and at them.
Speaker 1:
[52:58] Right.
Speaker 2:
[53:00] Their interviews are funny. Like whenever Liz has Kelsey come help her like clean out the boat. And then she's like, and she was never heard from again. I was like, on the ground, like hitting the ground because I'm laughing so hard.
Speaker 1:
[53:15] You get the girl who's literally not lifted a finger in 10 years. Can you come and clean out my boat? She's like, okay. Yeah. But that is the making of a true crime story.
Speaker 2:
[53:24] Okay. How about that?
Speaker 1:
[53:25] She gets stuck in the propeller.
Speaker 2:
[53:26] When she's like, he started loving to go deep sea fishing.
Speaker 1:
[53:30] Boy. Row, row, row. Row, row, row. Why are they selling the boat? Why is he retiring? Are they going to be happy together? She's going to be so sick of him. Because he's like-
Speaker 2:
[53:40] I know.
Speaker 1:
[53:40] Yeah, she doesn't like. A lot of women do not like it when the husband has a job that keeps him at the house or retires.
Speaker 2:
[53:47] No, God, no. Get out. Get out of here, literally. Is she banging? Is she having sex with Dino?
Speaker 1:
[53:54] We need to talk about Dino.
Speaker 2:
[53:55] I don't think that- I really actually believe her. Is that bad?
Speaker 1:
[53:59] I think Dino is just- gives her tons of compliments, and she likes that. Do I think that they're actually-
Speaker 2:
[54:05] Dino's like a schlub that they just pay his bills and he's just around.
Speaker 1:
[54:10] Maybe, yeah.
Speaker 2:
[54:10] Don't you think? That's what I think it is. I actually don't think that they're sleeping together. I think that he's like an assistant, basically. Do you know what I'm saying? I think that they give him money and he-
Speaker 1:
[54:22] Wait, is this like Jen Shaw's assistant, the one in jail like that?
Speaker 2:
[54:25] Yeah, kind of. Not in a nefarious way, but to me, he's just like a guy, like a gopher, you know what I mean? That's like, oh, will you go pick up my dry cleaning?
Speaker 1:
[54:35] Will you take this envelope and deliver it to this address?
Speaker 2:
[54:38] Like that? Make sure Liz is protected when I'm with you. You know what I mean? That's very mafia-ish, you know what I mean? I think that's what it is. I actually believe her.
Speaker 1:
[54:49] So she's like, okay, I know he stalked you, and this was horrible for you, but he's a good guy. He's a good guy. He picked me up at the airport.
Speaker 2:
[54:56] Wait, so he was stalking Kelsey?
Speaker 1:
[54:59] Apparently. I think she hooked up with him, and then he was like, and he was like, I love you, and she was like, no. You're the most beautiful woman that walked the earth.
Speaker 2:
[55:06] And she was like, no, bye, see that. But that makes me think that's why I believe Liz. I believe it.
Speaker 1:
[55:13] Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:
[55:13] Because he wouldn't be stalked. If that's how he is, he wouldn't be like that with Liz, and then Liz be like, you're my best friend. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:
[55:19] Or maybe Liz is like, oh, but those are the old days.
Speaker 2:
[55:22] Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:
[55:23] You know, I feel like this is the kind of community where they make accommodations for people who don't deserve it just because they knew your cousin when you guys were in middle school.
Speaker 2:
[55:33] Yeah, me and Tommy, we were together. Everything that they say, I just like paired it back to the TV. It's so fun. You know, hot.
Speaker 1:
[55:43] But is Dino going to become a problem?
Speaker 2:
[55:46] I don't know. Dino is going to be in the mix, and I like it.
Speaker 1:
[55:49] Do you think Dino is the kind of guy that's like, I don't know, like we may read about him in five years, there was like a wiretapping situation.
Speaker 2:
[55:56] One billion percent. One billion.
Speaker 1:
[56:00] Oh, is he going to be on like a 48 Hours Mystery or a Netflix documentary?
Speaker 2:
[56:04] No, I think it's just going to be like...
Speaker 1:
[56:06] A too small town to like be involved with a Netflix doc.
Speaker 2:
[56:10] Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. But I do feel that here there's...
Speaker 1:
[56:13] You know what it's going to be? Do you ever watch on like 48 Hours Mystery, if you're watching it, all of a sudden they'll have this woman, she'll go, today's episode of Crime File, there was a man and he went over the bridge. And that's all today for Closed File. And you're like, that was four seconds. That's what he's going to be in.
Speaker 2:
[56:33] Oh, God. That's... This is the thing about the show is that it's like, none of these people should be on this show because they have too much to lose and they are running towards the cameras. And so that's when you know...
Speaker 1:
[56:46] Oh, I love that.
Speaker 2:
[56:47] Yeah, you know it's good.
Speaker 1:
[56:48] You're right, you're right, you're right. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[56:51] And I'm watching it and loving it.
Speaker 1:
[56:56] Yes, maybe... You know what I like about that? If they are involved in things that they should not be involved in and they're participating on a reality show, the ballsiness is going to keep me coming back.
Speaker 2:
[57:09] The moxie. The moxie.
Speaker 1:
[57:11] The moxie because they're not going to... Well, I don't know. What do we think? Is the second season going to come and then all of a sudden they're reading all the comments and then they pull back from... But how do you undo who you are after 48 years?
Speaker 2:
[57:24] No. They're in it to win it, I feel.
Speaker 1:
[57:25] This is it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[57:27] And I'm loving it.
Speaker 1:
[57:29] I'm loving it.
Speaker 2:
[57:31] I love that they're all brunettes also.
Speaker 1:
[57:33] Yeah. It's really hard to tell them.
Speaker 2:
[57:34] Not a blonde to be seen.
Speaker 1:
[57:36] So why do they always say like, oh, white people look exactly the same. And you're like, not really. And then I was like, you know, they do.
Speaker 2:
[57:41] No, they do. Yeah. On this show, they do. I had to really be like, again, I had to do like picture... Like I had to do like matching game memory of like...
Speaker 1:
[57:49] Yes.
Speaker 2:
[57:49] I was like, Alicia, Alicia.
Speaker 1:
[57:52] I don't want anybody else to be in this show. I don't want a blonde. I don't need a red head.
Speaker 2:
[57:58] Nope.
Speaker 1:
[57:58] Oh God. I hope none of them dye their hair. You know how sometimes that happens?
Speaker 2:
[58:03] They won't, they won't, they won't. We'll push back on it too much.
Speaker 1:
[58:06] I mean, I would hope that people would say, please just keep your own look.
Speaker 2:
[58:10] Just please. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[58:12] What do we think about the extension game? Is it too much?
Speaker 2:
[58:15] Of course it is, but that's, it's season one.
Speaker 1:
[58:18] The makeup looks great.
Speaker 2:
[58:20] They have great makeup. Yes, like they actually like all look great, like already. And so it's like, what will happen in season two?
Speaker 1:
[58:26] I don't, that's what I'm a little bit worried about.
Speaker 2:
[58:28] I know, that is true. You are right.
Speaker 1:
[58:30] I do, are the outfits gonna change? Please, this is a PSA. Stay who you are. Please don't change.
Speaker 2:
[58:36] The outfits will just get better.
Speaker 1:
[58:37] It's gonna be like a Balmain sweater.
Speaker 2:
[58:40] Yes, a hundred percent.
Speaker 1:
[58:41] Like a Gucci counterfeit. Yes.
Speaker 2:
[58:45] Yes. That we can't stop. You know what I mean? That we can't stop. But, it's suburban also, but then it's also like they do fun stuff.
Speaker 1:
[58:56] Right.
Speaker 2:
[58:58] Like it's not a city show, but it doesn't feel like they're in the middle of nowhere. When they go to places, I feel that they're nice.
Speaker 1:
[59:06] Is this show only, they can only film it in the summer because outside of the summer, it looks bleak?
Speaker 2:
[59:12] Probably. But, like they would need to start filming like soon.
Speaker 1:
[59:18] Right. Oh, they're probably filming now.
Speaker 2:
[59:20] No, I don't think they are yet. They have to wait for the reunion. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:
[59:25] Oh, you're right, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2:
[59:27] So, I don't know.
Speaker 1:
[59:27] I would like for you to work on the show.
Speaker 2:
[59:29] It might not match up right. I would totally do this.
Speaker 1:
[59:31] Yeah, you should do the show.
Speaker 2:
[59:32] I would totally work on the show. This would be great.
Speaker 1:
[59:33] Yeah, this is good fit for you.
Speaker 2:
[59:36] Yeah, I would love to. I mean, no one has asked me to, but I would love to.
Speaker 1:
[59:39] Yeah. Oh, I think this would be a fun show to work on. You know what else I think would be fun about it is I feel like any person's house that you film in, you're going to have a great meal.
Speaker 2:
[59:48] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[59:49] Like, they're going to have all of the things that you want to eat available for you. And they would be upset if you were there for a long period of time. Like, do you need a nap? Do you need to go in the other room? Do you need some Benadryl? Like, I feel like they really care about people. I do, don't you?
Speaker 2:
[60:04] No, yeah, they do.
Speaker 1:
[60:05] Like, if you're in the circle, they care about you.
Speaker 2:
[60:07] Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:
[60:09] Okay, anything prediction-wise as far as?
Speaker 2:
[60:13] No, I think we got a hit on our hands, I'm sorry to say.
Speaker 1:
[60:15] I do, I do, I do.
Speaker 2:
[60:16] I like them, I'm fun, I'm having fun.
Speaker 1:
[60:19] I'm having a great time.
Speaker 2:
[60:21] Like, I love it.
Speaker 1:
[60:22] I love it, too. And again, I really love a show with new people, new faces, new stories.
Speaker 2:
[60:28] And the stories are good. I don't feel that we're trying to make someone be something that they're not. Like, I really do feel like the storylines are good and they really do know each other and there's history and yet there's new friendships and like, it is, it, it.
Speaker 1:
[60:41] You can't be, you really can't beat when Alicia says, well, you know, he was with my Spanish teacher. I hope I'm Spanish. I really liked my Spanish teacher. I mean, you can't beat it.
Speaker 2:
[60:51] Can you imagine? Can you imagine?
Speaker 1:
[60:52] How? Okay. So then I was thinking to myself, I would love a new show, like a new franchise. You know, we always, everybody in the bravo sphere has thought about where would be a great city. I think the trick may be places like this, where it's not necessarily, I don't know if necessarily a city always works out, like, dare I say, like The Real Housewives of Raleigh, North Carolina, because then you have people who have lived there for years and years and they have these long relationships and then you get the accents. You get like a husband who's like, hey, you know, we're going to do a reality show. Like, okay, sure, whatever you want, hon. Maybe city people are too savvy.
Speaker 2:
[61:37] But we've done all the big cities.
Speaker 1:
[61:40] I know. I think we should go outside cities. I think like fun suburban areas would be good.
Speaker 2:
[61:46] And like expensive-ish areas that are, you know what I mean, that are like not, I mean, like Potomac was that, because it's like what is Potomac? It's like Maryland, but a lot of them don't even live in Maryland. It's like, that's the thing. It's like a vibe. Like Rhode Island is a state. It's the smallest state, but it's a state. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:
[62:04] And now, God bless, because how many people are going to go on vacations not a Rhode Island because of it? I want to go to that castle place.
Speaker 2:
[62:12] Yeah, it's so nice.
Speaker 1:
[62:14] By the way, again, if you work at this castle place, will you reach out to me? Chris and I would like to do a weekend. I gotta be honest with you. We deserve it.
Speaker 2:
[62:24] We do. We sure do. We sure do.
Speaker 1:
[62:27] And then where is that? I want to go on the bike ride too with the red chairs. We want to do that.
Speaker 2:
[62:31] I think there's one near me that we could do.
Speaker 1:
[62:34] Okay, but I would like to go to Rhode Island.
Speaker 2:
[62:35] Okay, sure.
Speaker 1:
[62:37] Jack's playing in the Adidas National Game in August in Rhode Island.
Speaker 2:
[62:43] Okay, Rhode Island with Kate is what I'm writing.
Speaker 1:
[62:47] Okay, so you've heard it here, folks. We want to go to Rhode Island the first weekend of August. So if you are a business, a hotel, you've got some sort of situation going on in Rhode Island, we would like to come see you. And to the great women, the cast of the show, we would love to come see you. Should we go to Audrey's for some coffee, even though I don't drink coffee? 100%. Yeah. What a national treasure those two are.
Speaker 2:
[63:13] We'll get a pizza chip.
Speaker 1:
[63:15] Isn't it nice when you find a couple from Batchelor Nation that number one worked out, but are actually like nice people?
Speaker 2:
[63:21] And like seem like nice people, yeah.
Speaker 1:
[63:22] And I love that it works for her on Real Housewives. I don't know if that would work for any other Batchelor Nation person.
Speaker 2:
[63:29] No, no, no.
Speaker 1:
[63:31] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[63:32] For real.
Speaker 1:
[63:32] For real. Any last words you want to say to Dino?
Speaker 2:
[63:38] Dino. Dino, Dino, Dino.
Speaker 1:
[63:41] I kind of want him on the show more.
Speaker 2:
[63:42] I know.
Speaker 1:
[63:44] He will be. I feel bad because he did a number on Kelsey.
Speaker 2:
[63:49] Yeah, but you know that eventually they're going to have to come to terms.
Speaker 1:
[63:52] Come to blows. Will we ever see Redacted? No. No. No. Oh, wow. Okay.
Speaker 2:
[63:58] I don't know. Maybe, but it will be in a negative way. Like he'll come on and be like, how dare you talk about me like this, blah, blah, something.
Speaker 1:
[64:06] I'm going to guarantee you, second season, he's going to want in on the show.
Speaker 2:
[64:09] Yeah, probably.
Speaker 1:
[64:10] He probably thought this is going to be some stupid show. It's not going to be a hit.
Speaker 2:
[64:15] And they're going to try to use me to make it be big.
Speaker 1:
[64:17] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And then she has the opportunity to go, I'm on one of the biggest shows right now and nobody even knows who you are. And I'm a bigger star than you will ever be. Goodbye. That's a good move. Okay, tell everybody what's going on at Fixing Famous People.
Speaker 2:
[64:35] Oh my god, here we are. This week we're having Ben Mandelker from Watch What Crap Is On So funny.
Speaker 1:
[64:41] What are you guys going to talk about?
Speaker 2:
[64:42] To talk about Misha Barton. He has personal stories about Misha Barton.
Speaker 1:
[64:47] That's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 2:
[64:50] And we have just been, I'm finally off of working, and so our Patreon is about to be on and motherfucking popping. We have a lot of stuff coming your way.
Speaker 1:
[64:59] You need to talk about Alex Earl versus Alex Cooper.
Speaker 2:
[65:02] What's happening? I need to figure it out. I'm going to figure it out.
Speaker 1:
[65:05] That's a good one to talk about.
Speaker 2:
[65:07] Yeah, but yeah, that's what's happening on Fixing Famous People.
Speaker 1:
[65:10] Thank you and American people follow you.
Speaker 2:
[65:11] People can follow me at the Chris DeRosa and they can follow my podcast at Fixing Famous People on Instagram.
Speaker 1:
[65:16] Thank you, my sir.
Speaker 2:
[65:18] Thank you, see you in Rhode Island.
Speaker 1:
[65:27] I want to thank my great guest, Chris DeRosa, and remind you to make sure that you click subscribe. Please leave a five-star review. Make sure you also are in the Facebook group, Reality Life with Kate Casey. Don't miss out on it, super funny people are in there. And then also my What to Watch list, which is the list of everything that you should watch in Unscripted TV is available at katecasey.substack.com. Also, don't forget about the bonus podcast episodes. Go to Apple Podcasts and on Patreon, patreon.com/katecasey. And lastly, follow me on social media. I'm on Instagram at katecaseyca, TikTok, it's Kate Casey, and Twitter threads in blue sky at katecasey. Check back tomorrow for an all new episode.