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Speaker 1:
[02:21] Hello. Happy day unless your name is Amanda Batulgulia or Wes Wilson. I think I started another episode and I still feel the same way. We will be rehashing bits and pieces of these Summer House episode and Andy wasn't wrong when he said this week's episode is worse in terms of how you're going to react. Outside of Scamanda, we quickly kick off the episode with Ciara crying in Amanda and Mia's arms just unpacking the whole West of it all. The fact that Amanda said, you deserve so much more respect than you get. I think what blows my mind throughout all of this, it's just like how could you do this to your friend? You were there with her in the trenches while she's crying over this man. I don't know what loose screw she has, this diabolical behavior.

Speaker 6:
[03:15] The girl needs so much therapy. I don't know if there's enough therapy in a lifetime. Because there's a whole aspect we've talked about, like her just constant need for male approval and male attention. But yeah, I mean, it's different. I got, we were having some fun, not fun, but good debates in our DMs about, like, are they worse than Scandival? And the reason why I'm saying yes, and I get that, like, Tom and Ariana were together for 10 years, so were Amanda and Kyle. But to me, it's like Rachel Raquel, whatever she's going by, I think she's back to being Rachel. Rachel and Ariana were not best, best friends. Ariana wasn't crying on Rachel's shoulder about the hurt that she's had from Tom, or, like, you know, the fact that, like, Amanda has been this sounding board and, like, support for Ciara. Like, she knows the full extent of, like, how hurt she was by West, how hard it is for her to try to build a friendship and forgive him and move forward, and, like, the conflict of, like, wanting to hate him but also, like, mentally not and, like, all these things. Like, Amanda knows all that. Like, Ciara's been telling her all of this. So, I mean, yes, what Rachel and Tom did was terrible in the lying and the deceiving of it, but, like, to me, it's just, like, the fact that, like, Amanda knew not only how much was this going to hurt, like, Ciara, about the lying, but just how much West has hurt her. It's the whole, like, it's, like, each week, they become more, like, terrible people than the week prior. It's honestly, like, mind-blowing.

Speaker 1:
[05:00] I think, too, when you think about Scandival and all of that, and I love a healthy, just, like, debate. That's a fun part of being part of this fandom, is that we can all have our opinions, and there doesn't necessarily need to be a right or wrong answer. I do think with Scandival, yes, they were in a relationship for 10 years, but also as viewers, we knew that Tom and Raquel suck. Like, I mean, mainly Tom, but we knew they were kind of shitty humans. So shitty humans made shitty choices, which the shock factor of it all, I'm not going to take away from that because it was very shocking when it all unfolded. But I think throughout all of this, what rattles me is that I thought these were two good people. And the way that they're speaking, the way they're both talking to Ciara and their own conversations makes you believe these are good people who are looking out for her. They care.

Speaker 6:
[05:52] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[05:52] They care. And it's just so crazy to me as we continue. And then you have West saying in his confessionals, how he feels like shit for not seeing her and making out with that girl. And for what? He feels horrible. He's like, my main objective is to not hurt Ciara. Well, that's clearly a crock of shit.

Speaker 6:
[06:15] You failed. I mean, also, when he walked in her room and she was on FaceTime with Amanda, I did the whole just dynamic of all of this. He doesn't know who she's FaceTiming with. Amanda's sitting there listening to West apologize. Also, laughing as if this man is a child and yes, he apologized, but what a joke. Amanda's hearing all of this. Is it because this is what Kyle did to you? You find yourself attracted to him? I want to know when this attraction began. But he walks in and says, I'm sorry for hurting your feelings, which, okay, great. We do know West is capable of apologizing to Ciara because up until this point, we haven't seen that. But it was just so wild to me. Then she's talking in her confessional saying, I don't want to be bamboozled by him again. So many emotions as I'm going through this episode. I'm angry, I'm enraged. I'm also sad, heartbroken. I know a lot of people are deeming us saying they were crying at parts of this because she's being so open and just raw.

Speaker 1:
[07:22] Genuine. She's being very open. I'm getting teary-eyed thinking about that because no person is deserving of this emotional warfare that these two have put her through. And The Cut released an article, and you and I have discussed this, a friendship betrayal. And Ciara alluded to this in her article where she's like, okay, West, men suck. We expect a lot of shitty things from men. But your girls, your best friends, I am so loyal to my friends, including Abby, who I love dearly. The thought of doing something like that to her, when she's cried to me, I'm just using you as an example. But if you were crying to me about some person and I'm like, well, he made me feel really good when my husband yelled at me all the time.

Speaker 6:
[08:06] Tony, I was pretty.

Speaker 1:
[08:07] So I'm going to go like, screw your feelings, bye. Like, what? Screw your feelings and your check, because that is a dumb bitch move.

Speaker 6:
[08:16] And also just, it makes you like question everything now. Like, did Amanda ever really care about Ciara? Was this performative? Was this, like, because what switched that you decided you were willing to risk the friendship and other humans' like feelings for what started as a situationship?

Speaker 1:
[08:36] Yeah. Well, and the crazy thing too, we impact us in an earlier episode, but the whole like, there's no overlap in the timeline. Like, well, it got serious in February. Well, bitch, if it had got serious in February, it had to start before February.

Speaker 6:
[08:49] Right.

Speaker 1:
[08:49] Like, February 1 to February 28th. Oh, we're serious now. We're going to like blow up our lives.

Speaker 6:
[08:55] We've been testing you flirty and now we're like, yeah, it just, it is, it's wild. Also, I mean, like as if we need more signs that Ciara is just like this angel of a person and like the girl, I think that's the other thing too that I think as women we get so upset. Because there are some people on these shows that you're like, I don't know if I'd want them as my friend. Like they could be good friends, we get moments of that, but it'd be a lot of drama. I'd always have to tiptoe. Ciara is one of those people that I think collectively were like, oh no, she's like the girl you would want as a best friend. She's the girl you could confide in, that you can lean on, that would be there for you. She's the girl you could probably call at 1 AM and would show up at your house, no questions asked. We see that when she goes to the medium with Mia and her brother, and she's sitting there, she's there for support, but also, I don't know if you noticed, she had a notebook out. She's probably taking notes because I was also surprised that the medium didn't record it. The one that my family loved who unfortunately passed away, which is like-

Speaker 1:
[09:59] Oh, really?

Speaker 6:
[09:59] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[10:00] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[10:00] I know there's a great medium. I know in Kansas City, everybody, otherwise I would recommend her, but you need a medium to talk to that medium. But she usually records it. But it was so sweet that Ciara was there taking notes for her. I would imagine you're taking all this in, but then you might leave two hours later and be like, wait, what did she say about that? That was what Ciara was doing there. I bet Mia didn't even ask her. I bet Ciara just showed up with a notebook and was like, she's going to want me to write down the key parts of this. That's just who Ciara is.

Speaker 1:
[10:32] That is who Ciara is. When people show you who they are, believe them. The good in them. The good in her for doing that for her friend. I have not gone through the type of grief that Mia has gone through. I know you can probably relate to this a bit more.

Speaker 6:
[10:47] I think a fraction. Losing both parents is just like, I mean, my mom has some health things, but at that age to lose both, that's, and I've heard from people too, when you lose your last parent, it's just a different feeling. Whether you are close with that parent or not, there's almost this feeling of your defense. Yeah. Your generation is now next in a way. It's a very weird.

Speaker 1:
[11:11] I could understand that, I just had so much and I wanted to give her a hug, but also appreciated her for the willingness to be so vulnerable and open about her grief. I know she said she doesn't like her mom wouldn't want her crying on camera, which is fine. But also, I think she has done a really good job of being honest and sharing what she's feeling in that moment, while also being like my mom also wants the best for me and to move on. So I hope she feels, I don't know if closure is the right word, but I hope she feels some resolution in moving forward with her grief.

Speaker 6:
[11:47] For sure. I don't know how old Nia is, but she said that I think there was this thought of she just wanted to have a child and she didn't necessarily want to be concerned about a guy associated with it. The plan was, I'm sure her mom just told her this in comfort too, like, you have a baby, I'll be right there with you. You won't need a guy. Just like that piece of it, the fact that the medium, whether you believe this stuff or not, I think there's a lot of comfort in it. The medium saying like, your mom said, don't worry, I'm going to send you a baby girl when it's time. I would have to imagine that gives her some comfort too.

Speaker 1:
[12:25] How could it not? How could it not? Something that didn't give me comfort and good on production for letting this linger. So we then give it, West is having an event. It's a dog fostering event that he is throwing on. Amanda and Kyle show up and Amanda and West embrace what feels like a little too long. Gave her a kiss on the cheek. I was trying to replay in my mind because we've interacted with Mr. West Wilson. I've never had, not saying I want to hug like that, but I'm just thinking that is something you pay attention to a little bit.

Speaker 6:
[13:05] I hate to say this, he is a good hugger and he is one that gives you a squeeze as he hugs you. But I found it interesting, typically when people show up to these events and we do the hugs, even if it is a little bit of a longer hug, we as viewers, it's like a quick clip. Why was that zoomed in and held for that amount of time? Then he kissed her on the cheek. He's never done that with us. We've done that with other people. I know there's mostly gay guys.

Speaker 1:
[13:33] Yeah, I was going to say mainly gay men. I'm kissing on the cheek. I met a bunch of gays this weekend.

Speaker 4:
[13:38] Kissing on the cheek.

Speaker 1:
[13:39] Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 6:
[13:40] That's a little different. It's different. As all things in life, I will say the best things in life are for the girls and the gays, and that's kissing on the cheek as well. I don't know, it was weird. Even the way she was having the conversation with them, do you see why I was upset with you? Why are you worried about you being upset with him? The whole focus should be what he did to Ciara. It was very odd of like, do you understand why I'm upset with you?

Speaker 1:
[14:04] Yeah, it was very, and listen, I have a friend who has cornered many, you know exactly who this is, shout out to Kelly, who's cornered many before we've all gotten married, cornered many of men and been like, what are you doing? Basically, put the fear of God in them.

Speaker 6:
[14:20] He'll threaten to cut off a dick, and honestly, she means it.

Speaker 1:
[14:23] She means it.

Speaker 6:
[14:24] You need that friend, I will say, we all need that friend.

Speaker 1:
[14:26] I'm saying Amanda's not giving that type of energy.

Speaker 6:
[14:29] It's like, I didn't sleep when I was mad at you.

Speaker 1:
[14:31] Yeah. She wasn't like, why are you being such a bitch? She wasn't being assertive enough. Also, I feel like, honestly, I think in terms of the emotional affair, I think we can all agree whether or not you think something physical happened last summer. I do think something emotionally clearly was happening between the two, and I think she gave in for a guy, Amanda. She gave in a guy who was nice to her and stood up to her from Kyle, but there wasn't that she's missing enough screws in her head, that she thinks that this man is going to treat her differently than he did Ciara. Like it's just mine.

Speaker 6:
[15:09] Or every other girl. I mean-

Speaker 1:
[15:10] Yes, or every other girl for that matter.

Speaker 6:
[15:14] Also, her advice to him, I was like, wow, this is rich. You need to take accountability and- He said, you know what, maybe I'll do what I did last year and I'll just hide in my room all summer, and she said, no, you need to take accountability and apologize. Maybe you both need to listen to that advice right now, because that's one thing that we're not seeing. We will debrief on Jesse's Watch What Happens Live, which sounds like neither one of them is preparing to take accountability for the reunion as well. Just all of this, it's just so wild, because this took place without, let's just say even for shits and giggles, that Amanda and West were hooking up at this point. The rest of the cast doesn't know this. And so like KJ, then on like the ride to the Hamptons for the weekend saying, actions speak louder than words. It's just like all of these things that are happening in response to West making out with Ciara, it's all advice that could be given to them right now. And it's just like the irony.

Speaker 1:
[16:10] It is weird when you say that, yes, the irony. You're right, I loved it when he said, KJ was like, no, say less, like actions speak louder than words. It's just, oh my God.

Speaker 6:
[16:21] Okay, let's also just let the conspiracy, let's put, I'll put on our tinfoil hat and let these conspiracy theories fly. What's the real reason why Amanda bailed? It's not Kyle. Kyle's treated her like shit. I mean, like, I get everyone has a breaking point. He wasn't that bad to her last weekend. We've seen her like, I mean, he's screaming summer should be fun, Amanda's not fun. And she showed up the next weekend for that one. Like, what, and even Kyle's like, I don't know if she just said she didn't want to come this weekend. Do you think it's because anything to do with West and Ciara or like the jealousy piece of it, or just truly not wanting to do it?

Speaker 1:
[16:57] Yeah, that's a tough question because I think if you would ask me a couple weeks ago, I'd probably be like, no, she just doesn't want to be there. But now just, I don't believe anything these two say, because they've lied on camera, some convincingly, I'd say, and I don't know, I could see it. I could see her, I mean, this is a thing, right? Like Amanda has some mental health things going on. I don't think having mental health, we all have shit. Like I'm on fucking Prozac, I have anxiety, like Abby's seen me crash out over things. But that doesn't minimize like having mental health issues, whatever, doesn't mean you can't take accountability. So I think it's layered. It wouldn't shock me if she did stay home for that reason, but also you're missing on your check.

Speaker 6:
[17:48] On your paper. Well, she already got it. She showed up.

Speaker 1:
[17:50] She already got it. She showed up. But I don't know, do you feel that's a long-winded answer to be like, yes, I think so. I think so.

Speaker 6:
[18:00] I think it's more than just Kyle. I don't know if maybe, I do kind of agree with the theories that maybe they made out, or maybe flirting happened, like something happened at that dog event or in between, like being in the city that week and then going to the Hamptons. She knew that the focus this weekend was going to have to be on a resolution between West and Ciara. I think she was processing, I truly think this was probably the beginning of Amanda realizing she had feelings for West and trying to figure out what to do with it. I could see being like, probably best that I just not be there this weekend.

Speaker 1:
[18:36] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[18:36] Because I don't know how I'm going to react.

Speaker 1:
[18:38] That is fair and that makes a lot of sense in how you're explaining it. The shitty thing is, I don't think either of them are going to fuss up to that.

Speaker 6:
[18:46] No.

Speaker 1:
[18:47] I'm not saying I would forgive them, but at this point, everyone just come clean. Just come fucking clean. Just say it. Just say it all. We can't hate you anymore than we do now. When you lie to me, I'm like, okay, I'm going to continue to hate you because I don't think you're telling the truth.

Speaker 6:
[19:05] Another thing to keep in mind is these confessionals are being filmed up until the reunion. It's not unusual for episode 1 and 2 to be happening, and they're still cutting confessionals. We've talked about this because they might have like, we have a soundbite in mind that we want for how someone's reacting to this, but we haven't gotten it yet. I don't know when the confessional for Amanda, where she's wearing the tank top and the bracelet higher up on her arm. But when she said, typically I just grin and bear it and I'm happy bubbly Amanda, everyone picked up on it. I don't know if that's how we've ever really described her. She has always been the buzzkill, it seems like. I just wouldn't say happy, fun, bubbly Amanda. I could see her saying, I've always just shown up and just dealt with it and tried to put on her very face and try to smile through it. But I'm reaching, I think like issues, I'm reaching a breaking point and I just can't do it anymore. But like I'm not buying the whole like, you know what? I just, I'm always the fun bump. I'm like, no, these feel like lies. And I think it's like trying to build this narrative, which is why I'm like, oh, we do need the timelines on that.

Speaker 1:
[20:15] That's a great point. I think we do as viewers, we want the timelines on those confessionals. And I have no doubt if anyone's going to get down to the bottom of the timeline of it all, the overlap of it all, it's going to be Lindsey Hubbard.

Speaker 6:
[20:30] With help of Paige DeSorvo.

Speaker 1:
[20:32] With the help of Paige...

Speaker 6:
[20:33] I don't think Paige isn't puppet mastering this guy.

Speaker 1:
[20:36] Oh, yeah, definitely Paige has got her hands in it. I feel, and I think I shared this before, I wouldn't be shocked if KJ has some receipts from some of the situation ships that he knows who are my true friends.

Speaker 6:
[20:50] You know, Dara, I mean, Dara being an ex of his, like she could kind of say, like, this is what he does. I'm sure she knows other women though in New York who have hooked up with, I mean, even, I don't want to jump too far ahead, but like, again, in the Watch What Happens Live, like Jesse, when they're like, do you think like all these other women coming forward? He's like, well, the rumors have been proven to be true. I hope they're not all true for the sake of them. So he was hooking up with several other girls all at the same time. I need these girls to come forward.

Speaker 1:
[21:19] I need them to come forward as well. I just would love nothing more. Anything if they picked up cameras and one of them showed up to have coffee with Ciara and they're just comparing notes, like, could you imagine?

Speaker 6:
[21:34] He's so good. You know what?

Speaker 1:
[21:37] Who says it didn't happen, I guess? I also could hope it happened.

Speaker 6:
[21:40] I could also see Paige DMing some of these girls, be like, hey, rumor has it you were with West, like, obviously, I'm trying to help my friend Ciara out. Would you be willing to talk to her? Would you be willing to tell me like dates? Like, I mean, I'm going to be curious to see. I do think there's going to be receipts.

Speaker 1:
[21:55] Like, I think there's definitely going to be receipts. Timeline, fucking screenshots. I think this is going to be the first time that we're going to see. Again, I would love it. This is the white board, because, you know, the irony of that, but it's not going to do the best of conveying the message. If we get our own binder from our non-Housewives cast.

Speaker 6:
[22:15] I wouldn't mind the blown up Styrofoam board, like Jennifer Ange did, and fail. This would be a time where I'm like, actually, this could land. Just come on with the boards, be like, so this is what you were texting me as you guys see in January. This is what I texted Amanda as you see in February. This is us at Watch What Happens Live. This is like, I mean, I can like-

Speaker 1:
[22:37] This is us at the Super Bowl. Yeah. This is what you said when you denied it. Yes. I'm like, Ciara, if it's not you, someone in that cast has got to be with a prop. I'm here for a prop. Let's fucking go. I cannot wait to see that part.

Speaker 6:
[22:54] There is some positives. There were some cute moments. I adore the dynamic of Mia, Ciara, and KJ. I think it is so sweet. They give such big sister energy to him, and I love it. I like how they're like, we think you're moving a little fast, but we know that you know your emotions and you can make your own choice. Just to me, that screamed big sisters looking out, being protective. You could tell this was not them being like, oh, we think you're cute. There was no jealousy. They're just purely looking out for him. I love how he's like, yeah, I know what I want and I really like Dara. I'm not going to play games because you can't show your feelings too soon. I mean, honestly, dare I say this? I mean, now they're going a year strong. Possibly the healthiest relationship we've ever seen on reality TV.

Speaker 1:
[23:43] At least the beginnings of one.

Speaker 6:
[23:45] The beginning, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[23:46] Yes. No, I agree with that. I think they're very cute together. I think he seems to be very emotionally intelligent, and I'm really happy for them. I think, if anything, they did found love in a hopeless place. They found love in a hopeless place, and I am so here for it, and good on KJ. I think he's got a good head on his shoulders. Yes, it's fast, but on the flip side, I think girls, again, I have to put myself in those shoes because it's been years, and same for you, but you think about dating someone, and so much of that bullshit is the, does he like me enough to be in a relationship? Does he not? So good on him taking that off the table. You're spending this much time together, and just being like, hey, I just want to be exclusive with you. That's it.

Speaker 6:
[24:32] I also like Dara being like, we both know what we like, we both know that we like each other, we both know what we want, and if this ends up being a big mistake and I eat my words, then so would be it, but I hope it's not. I was like, you know what, that is kind of the whole thing with dating. You have to take some risks because you never know. Yes, you can get hurt. But I agree with you. I like that they're both like, yeah, this might be fast, but we're both.

Speaker 1:
[24:56] We're both feeling it.

Speaker 6:
[24:57] They're not like love bombing. They're not like saying like, oh, we're going to move into, this isn't like Lexi and Jesse. No. It feels like, oh wow, this just feels so different. Maybe because we don't know them, we don't have like a season prior.

Speaker 1:
[25:10] Or that footage to see it. But to me, it feels like two people who enjoy spending time together and just want to keep spending time together and don't want to take away from the dopamine hits that they're getting from being around each other from having the mess of, should I ask her out? Should I not? I don't want her seeing anyone else, like those type of feelings.

Speaker 6:
[25:30] I don't know how old KJ is. How old is KJ?

Speaker 1:
[25:33] I think I have it in our, because I did the ages for everyone.

Speaker 6:
[25:37] Yeah, he's 28. So this is going to like, God, I remember thinking like, oh my God, I'm never going to find someone. When I was 25 and I turned 26 and like a few weeks later, was set up on a blind date with a man who ended up being my husband. But we met end of September, and I remember some friends were in town over Christmas and we all went out, and they were like, oh my gosh, you really are usually someone who's like, I don't know, I don't know. I was like, no, I like this guy. I remember saying to one of my friends who was in town, I said, I'm not to a point where I want to say I love you yet, but if you were to say, do you think you're going to marry this guy? I would say with confidence, yes. I think that was two and a half months in. I think there's something to, at a certain point, you know. It's probably a little different for you because you met when you were 19 and started this project. It wasn't like two months in at 19. You didn't even know.

Speaker 1:
[26:25] I was like, damn. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to be with this guy forever.

Speaker 6:
[26:29] No.

Speaker 1:
[26:30] Yeah, absolutely. I think the way you explain it makes complete sense, and I'm glad that we had a little bit of that levity.

Speaker 6:
[26:35] Okay, let's get to the conversation at the end.

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[28:30] It is our larger honor.

Speaker 7:
[28:31] No, really, stop. You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side.

Speaker 2:
[28:40] I participate in McDonald's while supplies last.

Speaker 1:
[28:43] So Ciara is fighting with herself because she knows externally, she should continue to have this strong front against West. But deep down inside, she just really misses her bestie Westie and just is done putting on the facade and just wants to carry on and just make things feel less weird. So she asks him for coffee before they go on their boat day. Looking hot, mind you.

Speaker 6:
[29:05] That's great. She looks really good.

Speaker 1:
[29:06] Under boob. Hell yeah.

Speaker 6:
[29:08] He showed up looking like a scrub, but that's fine. That is kind of his style. Even before we didn't like him. He shows up and it was interesting to me. Knowing what we know now, we are going through with a fine-toothed comb. The words he chose, it killed me. I know you picked up on this too, that she apologized to him. He likes to play the victim and he loves to use that as a way to take away accountability. He always says the Internet. I'm like, well, you're fucking always on social media, dude, so stay off of that. I was like, the Internet is so dark and it is always putting us against each other. I don't think after that reunion, when his second season started, nobody was like, oh, are they, aren't they? It picked back up this season because they were flirting a little bit. I felt like last season, there wasn't all this talk of like, they should hate each other or that wasn't the main buzz. But also then he slipped and said about how it can make you resent the person. I was like, oh, you resent her. I think as I'm breaking down West's psyche, he's an egomaniac. I think for him, it was the whole fact of they broke up because he thought like, I'm hot, I'm wanted now, all these girls.

Speaker 1:
[30:28] Also, he had the high of the amazing first season. Everyone was like.

Speaker 6:
[30:32] Yes. I also do think there's a lot of truth to mid guys get elevating in a big ego when a girl out of their league is in attention. They don't think, oh my God, I need to treasure this. They think, oh, now this is the level I'm at, and maybe I can go even higher. I think for him, it was the crash and burn of that reunion, and then everyone being upset with him. I think he resented her because she was getting the positive attention he thought he was going to get. I think that's what we're seeing right now too, and the whole reason why he's fixating on the timeline when it's like, bro, we do want to know the timeline. You're going to lie about it. Did you care about someone's feelings? Even Jesse was like, he was saying, well, we're all single. It still doesn't make it okay.

Speaker 1:
[31:19] That doesn't make it okay. It's like the Bieber. It's not clocking to you, is it? This is you saying all this shit to her. So are you saying what you said was a lie? That's what matters. That's the betrayal of it all. She was being so genuine, crying beautifully, mind you. I can't say that for myself, but I'm an ugly cryer. Same here. Crying and just being like, I missed you. I really miss what we had and him being like, I knew when you said North Carolina and the house, I knew what that meant. Also, why don't you tell her what it meant at the time? She's not some scary person. Just fucking tell her if you've felt something about it, then tell her. Anyways. But just going that back and forth and how it took him two years to finally see her, which should have been a red flag in her mind. I'm like, damn, it took you two years and us sitting here right now for you to finally see me and why I was so upset. But sorry, West, that I wasn't there for you because I knew that was hard for you.

Speaker 6:
[32:14] I know.

Speaker 1:
[32:15] But there was never any sorry on her part. Sorry that I didn't get it and sorry that I now get it now, and sorry that I made you feel that way. There's no apology to Ciara at all. That's what pisses me off about this.

Speaker 6:
[32:30] His body language was so weird when he gave her the hug. Then when they were sitting there and she's like, I wouldn't have made it out with Jesse and was trying to tease about it. She's like, I wanted, and he's like, well, I didn't want you to. She's like, I wanted you to say that. She's like, you could have saved me. He's like, haha. They stared off into the distance. I'm like, oh, were you thinking about Amanda?

Speaker 1:
[32:50] But I think the crook says and she's not going to say it, and she said it, we captured on this. I felt so embarrassed by you. I don't want to be embarrassed by you. This is a girl who fell in love with a guy who didn't love her back. Yeah. Clearly, lingering feelings there, didn't get the right closure, and because of their circumstances of reality TV, they're presented with an opportunity to get a clean slate. That's what he decided to do with this clean slate was, I'm going to make you trust me again.

Speaker 6:
[33:19] To hurt you.

Speaker 1:
[33:20] To put you in, to hurt you. We don't have any confirmation of after filming, something between them happened. I'm going to go, yes.

Speaker 6:
[33:28] There's a lot of speculation.

Speaker 1:
[33:30] There's a lot of speculation that shit went down.

Speaker 6:
[33:32] I think after her birthday dinner, I'm guessing possibly he hooked up with her, or the part of the reason why she invited him was because they were.

Speaker 1:
[33:43] See, I think, here's another theory. Let me get my tinfoil cap on. The reason why Amanda didn't go to their birthday dinner because they were already hooking up.

Speaker 6:
[33:52] Well, and she said, look, it's not unusual for Amanda. She just wants to be invited, but she doesn't show up. And I don't think she was saying that to be mean. I think she was just saying, I know that's how it is with Amanda. It could be, but I definitely think there's overlap. This late Feb is Jesse. I had some issues with Jesse. Let's get in. Yeah, let's get in to watch What Happens Live. So Jesse's on there with Kristin Cavallari. And I love how Kristin's like, I'm just going to sit back. She's like, she's been in enough love triangle drama that she's good. I like how, so I will get some positives. Things I liked about Jesse. When asked about West's latest announcement from his podcast, he said, well, he waited that long and that was his announcement. A for effort, I guess. Like basically like really not, not a good defense or just not handled all that well. He said they both denied it multiple times to Jesse's face. Amanda has apologized for lying. West has not apologized, but they still have spoken and Jesse said, the trust is a little broken. A little.

Speaker 1:
[34:52] I mean, he's still like semi-protecting him.

Speaker 6:
[34:55] Yeah, that's what I was like picking up on like the late, the constantly saying, what was late Feb, late Feb. Not all, you're not in Miami and going to branch in late Feb. I mean, I get that can be over the span of like a week, but give us a little bit more dates. You know more than you're saying, you could kind of tell. I think this is what West has asked him to say, has to say like, please make it sound like it all happened in late February. It can't be early February because Ciara and Amanda were on Watch What Happens Live together. It's going to look terrible if people already knew we were hooking up at that point. I do feel like there's a little bit of Jesse kind of caught in this like, do I do what's right or do I defend a friend? He did say, West is someone, he's like, I cried on the floor and he held me when I thought cancer had come back, which I get a sense of this person has been there for me. But that's very heavy. Also, you weren't lying about anything. You were dealing with-

Speaker 1:
[35:50] Yeah. Also, this person lied to you in your face and still hasn't apologized to you, but you're still holding on to that. Thing that really got me gagged was, this was an audience question that's happened on the after show. Someone said, after watching the season back, what do you make of the conversation that you had with West on the pool float, where you wouldn't quite admit that he was very upset that you were pursuing Ciara? He said, yeah, I was frustrating a little bit that West would call me out for trying to pursue somebody he dated two years ago, and now he's hooking up with our friend's wife.

Speaker 6:
[36:20] Well, they haven't filed for anything.

Speaker 1:
[36:21] Exactly. They haven't.

Speaker 6:
[36:23] Technically, she is Kyle's wife.

Speaker 1:
[36:25] It's like nuts. In the fact, the whole brunch thing, I shared this, thank God for screenshots.

Speaker 6:
[36:31] I know. How did you think to screenshot that? You were just like, oh, the boys are out having brunch.

Speaker 1:
[36:35] Yes, exactly. Because we post stuff like that to our stories. It's not uncommon when the podcast is hanging out with each other.

Speaker 6:
[36:41] I usually delete those. I'm so glad you didn't.

Speaker 1:
[36:42] Well, my Google Photos. Google Photos automatically, you have to go in there and deliberately delete. I had deleted it, but it wasn't my Google folders. I looked back at screenshots. I'm like, I know I took this picture.

Speaker 6:
[36:57] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[36:58] Lo and behold, that was February 28th. That date where the double brunch day, where he went to brunch with the boys, and then went and had brunch with Kyle's wife, which again is diabolical behavior. All of it.

Speaker 6:
[37:10] I mean, just all of it. It's just also, I'm now I'm blanking on what word. So Jesse said he thinks West is going to be combative. That was the word for reunion. So this is the guy coming in not thinking he did anything wrong, and he's still sticking firm to the no overlap, and that they were all single, and he's like, but I'll let him speak for himself. And that to me was wild. I'm like, oh, you're going to come into this, and you're going to die on the hill that you were all single, so it doesn't matter. You lied to Andy's face. He is like, your boss is boss's boss.

Speaker 1:
[37:45] Again, it's not clocking to you, is it? It's not like the fact that you're going to be like, oh, the internet's mean, oh, la, la, la, la. No, dude, you did a bad thing. You did a really bad thing, and you got to actually sit in it and own it, and maybe become better from it. But instead, you're like, oh, no, we did nothing wrong. We were both single. You got to get over it. It was two years ago. Again, it's not all about you. How about her? Her feelings are valid too. It's a two-way street. You've led her on and multiple women on to think that they're the sole person in the room, when really you had a lot of shit going on, and it makes me so mad.

Speaker 6:
[38:23] What's the, like, just, like, the Amanda too, like, yeah. There's, yeah, this reunion honestly can't happen soon enough. It is rumored to be filming tomorrow. I'll be curious to see, you know, Bravo has started leaning in knowing like accounts like ours, we'd like to like share when they're filming. We like to share the seating chart. They started sharing it in advance. And we'd love that. I wonder if we'll do that this time or not. If they're going to maybe hold some of the stuff close to the vest, just given everything.

Speaker 1:
[38:56] I think they'll share it because it'll get leaked. Somehow it'll get leaked and it's better for them to get all the, like, that have it there, have it be their image that's being shared.

Speaker 6:
[39:05] Yeah. Also will not surprise me if this is an 18-hour filming day of Reunion. I think there's going to be a lot to cover.

Speaker 1:
[39:14] Things are going to be a lot to cover. What do you think Ciara is going to wear? She did say she wants to wear something that she's not looking for revenge, which with her body, anything is a revenge dress.

Speaker 6:
[39:24] So I don't think she's going to go with red because that is the color of revenge. I think you think of Ariana's revenge dress. For some reason, I keep picturing her almost like a rethal looking like a white dress, and coming in almost just like I'm the prize, I'm the winner of this, I've already won, I'm victorious. I'm thinking something almost like Grecian on her. I do think she's going to show midriff. I think we're going to have a high waist.

Speaker 1:
[39:54] She kind of did that during the bed. You remember the bed she had, like something kind of Grecian looking.

Speaker 6:
[39:59] Yeah. I could just see her. I think I could see a high slit for her legs, because she's got incredible legs. I think she's going to show midriff. I think she's going to look really hot, but for some reason, I think it's going to be white.

Speaker 1:
[40:10] I don't disagree with that.

Speaker 6:
[40:12] She's not sticking with the theme. She already said she's going to wear what she likes and she wants. She doesn't care what the theme is.

Speaker 1:
[40:17] Okay. Well, I was looking up in terms of flowers and rebirth, and it seems like white tulips are known as a symbol for new beginnings. So I could see her tying into that of a new rebirth of herself.

Speaker 6:
[40:29] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[40:31] I could see that happening. I still stand by, I think that she's going to be done with the show. I don't see her coming back personally, but I would love to be wrong. I just would have blamed her.

Speaker 6:
[40:42] Oh, God. And it's so hard to keep up with everything, and I really want to try to get people credit. But somebody threaded, bring back blood, sweat, and heels, and have it be Mia and Ciara, and then have Vanita come into New York for the season, and it's them working as fashion influencers, models. I think that could be good.

Speaker 1:
[41:02] That could be good as well. I don't think there's not a place for Ciara. I just feel like I don't want her to be in that house.

Speaker 6:
[41:08] I just don't want her to do it. She has nothing to gain from it. She's going to be busy with Michael B. Jordan, guys. Yeah. She's not going to have time.

Speaker 1:
[41:17] She's not going to have time. She's going to be booked and busy.

Speaker 6:
[41:20] Well, I hope he asks her about the Michael B. Jordan question, or who's Rihanna setting you up with, or who's in her DMs.

Speaker 1:
[41:27] Absolutely. So, f*** them, Lutely. I hope that whoever gets, she's going to need, as Mia likes to say, from Southern Hospitality, she likes a man obsessed with her. I think Ciara, the man that she dates and likely will marry, just how she says she dates to marry, I can see this man being obsessed with her.

Speaker 6:
[41:48] I really now want it to be a Kansas City Chiefs player. So it's just such a dig at West.

Speaker 1:
[41:54] Yeah, but football athletes, someone kept saying, I think Jesse is an athlete. I'm like, they all cheat and stuff.

Speaker 6:
[41:59] I know. There are some good ones. Josh Allen, I actually think is a really, really-

Speaker 1:
[42:03] Oh, I think he's a good guy.

Speaker 6:
[42:04] A good guy, probably a great husband, and I'm sure he's a great father. Yeah, I know. I also don't love an athlete for her because, to your point, I want someone obsessed with her and is like, I, we've talked about this. I see her with somebody that's like old money, like finance, and I could even see her just being like, I'm going to keep modeling, but yeah, like I don't need to do reality TV and kind of just live her own life.

Speaker 1:
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