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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 2:
[01:35] Can we call my girlfriend?
Speaker 3:
[01:37] No, we're not talking to her.
Speaker 2:
[01:38] Okay.
Speaker 3:
[01:39] I talked to her enough.
Speaker 1:
[01:41] You've talked to mine enough?
Speaker 3:
[01:43] You want me to talk to your girlfriend?
Speaker 2:
[01:45] Did he say he talked to mine enough?
Speaker 1:
[01:48] No, I thought you were doing a joke, like, I talked to her enough. Yeah, like, that would have been good.
Speaker 2:
[01:52] You want to run that again? Can we call my girlfriend?
Speaker 3:
[01:55] Yeah. I'd like to call your girlfriend.
Speaker 1:
[01:58] No, no, no, no, no. You're supposed to say, no, I talked to her enough. Maury, okay, we'll do it a third time.
Speaker 3:
[02:05] Okay.
Speaker 1:
[02:06] For the top, let's get an edit point. Can we call my girlfriend?
Speaker 2:
[02:10] No.
Speaker 3:
[02:11] I talked to her enough.
Speaker 2:
[02:18] Wait.
Speaker 1:
[02:48] Hello and welcome back to The Adam Friedland Show. I'm host Adam Friedland. First off, come see me live. I'm at the Regent Theater as part of the Netflix's Joke Fest. May 9th, Justin will be there. San Francisco, California, May 29th to the 30th, Portland, Oregon, 6-11 to 13. My guest this week is legendary talk show host Maury Povich, who of course hosted The Maury Show from 91 to 2022. It dominated daytime TV with lurid stories from around the nation. I was very excited to talk to Maury, but before we jump in, quick personal life update. I'm so excited to announce that I have welcomed my first son into the world. Everyone, please meet Adam Jr. And of course, here's my lovely wife, one big happy family. The joke is that I will be requiring a paternity test because Queen Elizabeth fucked a Chinese guy and I'm raising him as my own. I love you, Adam Jr. And maybe it's on you guys for thinking that this was from cheating and paternity tests. Maybe she was just pregnant with God's wife or God's son, God. Please enjoy the episode. We can do Asian, right? Ladies and gentlemen, we know him well, but today he has a secret to tell us. I can't believe it.
Speaker 2:
[04:10] We're here.
Speaker 1:
[04:11] This is a huge exclusive. Maury Povich, everyone. Television legend. You have a secret.
Speaker 2:
[04:18] You have a secret.
Speaker 3:
[04:19] I can't believe the gallery. I love it. Terrific. Good to see you, Adam.
Speaker 1:
[04:25] This is how much of a pro he is. He's in retirement, but he walks in and he's like, Oh, this is a who's this prick think he is competing for the ratings. I think.
Speaker 2:
[04:38] I know. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[04:39] And the only reason I'm here is you have big ratings.
Speaker 1:
[04:43] Huge ratings. I know we've they're kind of not real. We hired a Russian.
Speaker 3:
[04:48] They're not real.
Speaker 1:
[04:48] Yeah, it's the same people. Yeah, it's the same people that stole the election for Trump into the 20s.
Speaker 3:
[04:56] Oh, really?
Speaker 1:
[04:57] I don't know. Do they steal elections? You know, you probably know they don't. You know all the secrets of the world?
Speaker 3:
[05:05] No, I know.
Speaker 2:
[05:07] You used to you were telling me.
Speaker 1:
[05:10] You've rubbed shoulders with popes.
Speaker 3:
[05:12] No, I have never rubbed shoulders with a pope.
Speaker 1:
[05:15] You told me you gave a back massage to Pope Benedict.
Speaker 2:
[05:20] Was that the Nazi one?
Speaker 3:
[05:21] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[05:21] Yeah, the Nazi. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[05:23] Who they put into retirement.
Speaker 3:
[05:24] Well, he wasn't a Nazi, but it was.
Speaker 1:
[05:26] Hitler Youth, let's be fair. Well, we had one of the funniest introductions of one another.
Speaker 3:
[05:35] Let's just figure this out.
Speaker 2:
[05:37] We should get this out of the way.
Speaker 3:
[05:37] Let's start at this right now.
Speaker 2:
[05:38] Yes.
Speaker 3:
[05:39] Are you interviewing me or am I interviewing you?
Speaker 1:
[05:42] I like, I think our thing is keeping it vague. I want to do that.
Speaker 3:
[05:46] You want to tell them the history of this?
Speaker 1:
[05:48] Of course, I was asked to be in Interview Magazine. They did. Did you see the pictures of me?
Speaker 3:
[05:56] No.
Speaker 1:
[05:57] Some of the most embarrassing ones ever.
Speaker 3:
[06:00] I was asked to get on here and talk to you.
Speaker 1:
[06:03] Yes.
Speaker 3:
[06:04] I thought that you were interviewing me. Obviously, I was supposed to be interviewing you.
Speaker 1:
[06:11] They cut me yelling at the magazine, if you remember.
Speaker 3:
[06:14] Oh, I didn't know that. All I knew when we finally figured out that this was the case, was I said to you, you're talking a lot.
Speaker 1:
[06:23] You say you talk a lot.
Speaker 3:
[06:25] Yeah, you talk a lot.
Speaker 2:
[06:26] You're relentless, in fact.
Speaker 3:
[06:28] And then you said, well, what am I supposed to do? I'm supposed to be interviewed. I said, oh, you're supposed to be interviewed? I thought I was supposed to be interviewed.
Speaker 1:
[06:36] I mean, how would you imagine that you're not being interviewed in a thing called Interview Magazine? There is no way in hell you would have said yes, if you knew you were supposed to be interviewing me.
Speaker 3:
[06:48] There is no fucking way. Why would I do that?
Speaker 2:
[06:56] They would depraud you. You probably got an email from Interview Magazine. Yeah. How the hell would you have thought you were being interviewed? They were like, yeah, we got some schmuck kid to interview you.
Speaker 1:
[07:08] My kid, he's 39 years old.
Speaker 3:
[07:10] 39 years old.
Speaker 1:
[07:11] He's done not much with his life. But what do you mean?
Speaker 3:
[07:14] You're a big star.
Speaker 1:
[07:16] Huge, in fact, yeah. Massive these days.
Speaker 3:
[07:19] You have a half a million on YouTube.
Speaker 1:
[07:20] Just on YouTube, yeah. Across all other platforms is probably 200 million to half a billion.
Speaker 3:
[07:28] Half a billion?
Speaker 1:
[07:29] Yeah, probably. Yes. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3:
[07:32] Well, why don't you just say three billion? That'd be half the world.
Speaker 1:
[07:36] I was talking to you. Let's go back to this interview magazine. We had a 45-minute scheduled conversation. It was minute 35.
Speaker 2:
[07:44] Yes. And you were like, can I stop you right there?
Speaker 1:
[07:47] I was telling you about my family.
Speaker 2:
[07:49] I was telling you.
Speaker 3:
[07:50] And I was saying, why are you talking about yourself like this?
Speaker 2:
[07:54] The concept of two people thinking that they're being interviewed.
Speaker 1:
[07:59] It's almost as if I'm jealous, like I didn't come up with it for the show.
Speaker 3:
[08:04] I've been around a long time.
Speaker 1:
[08:05] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[08:05] That's the craziest moment in terms of interviewing that I've ever had. I mean, I've done maybe in my lifetime 50,000 interviews.
Speaker 2:
[08:17] Nothing tops that.
Speaker 1:
[08:19] It is but an honor, sir. You've seen it all too.
Speaker 2:
[08:23] I have. Yeah. I can't imagine.
Speaker 3:
[08:25] I have never seen this.
Speaker 2:
[08:26] Going through your mind, you're like this motherfucker will shut up.
Speaker 1:
[08:32] I've been in show business for how many?
Speaker 2:
[08:35] Five decades?
Speaker 1:
[08:36] Six decades?
Speaker 3:
[08:36] Six.
Speaker 1:
[08:37] Six decades.
Speaker 2:
[08:38] This guy is telling me, he was supposed to be interviewing me about my illustrious career.
Speaker 1:
[08:43] He's telling me about his father's disappointment, that he didn't go to law school.
Speaker 3:
[08:48] Yeah, and he ended up in Washington, at George Washington University.
Speaker 2:
[08:52] Yes.
Speaker 3:
[08:52] He started in these low-rent comedy clubs.
Speaker 1:
[08:55] Can you imagine if I was supposed to be interviewing you?
Speaker 2:
[08:57] It would have been perhaps the worst interview of all time.
Speaker 1:
[09:03] You, of course, are a native of our nation's.
Speaker 3:
[09:06] Not many.
Speaker 1:
[09:07] Not many.
Speaker 3:
[09:08] I mean, we are so rare. See, we grew up thinking that he wasn't the president of the United States. He was the mayor.
Speaker 1:
[09:19] Mayor Nixon.
Speaker 3:
[09:20] Right. Whatever. The Congress was the city council. That's how we grew up because we had no home rule when I was born in 1939. So we didn't have home rule to the early 60s and we didn't even, it was kind of a leaner. We still don't have full home rule.
Speaker 1:
[09:37] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[09:38] You're not really as much of a citizen.
Speaker 3:
[09:41] We got a Congress person, but she can't vote.
Speaker 1:
[09:47] She just has to observe. She says, great job, everyone. You're doing phenomenal.
Speaker 3:
[09:52] We're voting for a non-voting Congress person.
Speaker 1:
[09:56] I was there shortly after the legendary Mayor Marion Barry.
Speaker 3:
[10:02] I covered him for so long.
Speaker 2:
[10:03] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[10:05] I covered him when he was at Howard University.
Speaker 1:
[10:07] Oh, as a youth?
Speaker 3:
[10:08] As a youth.
Speaker 1:
[10:09] Did you know he had a future?
Speaker 3:
[10:12] Oh, yeah, because he was a great spokesperson for what they called SNCC, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. He was terrific and very impressive. I never knew Marion would ever run for political office because he was out there during the civil rights movements of the early 1960s.
Speaker 1:
[10:34] I was there for Mayor Fenty, who was Rihanna's cousin, I believe.
Speaker 3:
[10:38] Oh, really?
Speaker 1:
[10:39] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[10:40] I was gone by then. What years were you there?
Speaker 1:
[10:45] I was there for the Obama election. So I started in 2006.
Speaker 3:
[10:50] You're a newbie.
Speaker 1:
[10:51] Yeah, newbie. It was an amazing night. I ran to the White House and I shouted at the building. I was like, Bush, you asshole, fuck you. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[10:59] Really?
Speaker 1:
[11:00] It was a really cool night.
Speaker 3:
[11:01] Actually, he's a friend of mine.
Speaker 1:
[11:03] George Bush? Oh, yeah? Yeah. He's nice, I imagine.
Speaker 3:
[11:07] Lovely.
Speaker 1:
[11:07] Yeah. Does he feel bad?
Speaker 3:
[11:10] Feels bad?
Speaker 1:
[11:11] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[11:12] Now?
Speaker 2:
[11:13] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[11:13] I mean, I think the best part of his life right now to me, is how he's conducted himself after he got out of office.
Speaker 2:
[11:19] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[11:20] But have you seen his paintings before?
Speaker 3:
[11:22] Yeah. He never painted until he left office.
Speaker 2:
[11:27] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[11:28] Have you seen the early ones?
Speaker 3:
[11:30] The portraits?
Speaker 1:
[11:32] Yeah. He became quite a good painter. He got lessons and stuff. But the early naive work of Bush is really interesting.
Speaker 3:
[11:43] Scribbles?
Speaker 1:
[11:44] No. I mean, I'll show you right now, but there's something about washing, you're cleansing yourself of something. He's in a shower and a bathtub, and he's looking at one direction. There's a mirror for, I assume, shaving. And his reflection is looking back at him. And it's as if the ghosts of the Iraqi.
Speaker 3:
[12:12] Anyway, he was very kind to me.
Speaker 1:
[12:16] Does he feel bad about the Iraq War? Does he was like, oh, yeah. Have you asked him?
Speaker 3:
[12:20] You're like, no. I tell you, first of all, yeah, we were we were golf buddies for 25 years before he ever got to be president.
Speaker 2:
[12:30] He's good.
Speaker 3:
[12:31] I hear you're good. Yes.
Speaker 1:
[12:34] What's your handicap?
Speaker 3:
[12:35] Five.
Speaker 2:
[12:36] Five. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[12:38] But it used to be better.
Speaker 2:
[12:39] My own.
Speaker 3:
[12:40] I'm going way up.
Speaker 1:
[12:41] Trump's Trump. He's got weird form, but he hits it straight. I saw that video of him with Bryson DeChambeau.
Speaker 2:
[12:49] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[12:49] He hits a ball straight, and then the guy, the caddy, the four caddy, throws it a little farther.
Speaker 2:
[12:55] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[12:55] I heard he shot an 18 once. It's like a dictator would. It's like Putin scoring 15 goals.
Speaker 3:
[13:07] So George Bush would invite me and a buddy, because we had this golf group of 12 guys that played golf every year for like 20 some years.
Speaker 2:
[13:14] Who else you got?
Speaker 1:
[13:15] Norman Schwarzkopf?
Speaker 3:
[13:16] No, no.
Speaker 2:
[13:17] Jim Baker?
Speaker 3:
[13:17] No, no, no, no famous people. Oh, one famous person. You ever heard of Taxi Cheers? All those friends?
Speaker 1:
[13:28] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[13:29] Director Jimmy Burroughs.
Speaker 1:
[13:30] Jimmy Burroughs.
Speaker 3:
[13:31] Jimmy Burroughs. And he was one of the group. And Jimmy, basically, he and the Charles brothers created Cheers. And so, and he directed all the friends stuff.
Speaker 1:
[13:43] And Frasier too? That was a spinoff.
Speaker 3:
[13:45] Frasier too.
Speaker 1:
[13:45] Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:
[13:46] Absolutely. And so, so Jimmy was part of that. That's the only other big name. Anyway, George W., when he got to be president, he invited me and a buddy of mine, another guy who played with us, to lunch every single year of his White House. Every year we would go to there and we go down there. The first time he shows me, he says, you want to see where Clinton and Lewinsky did it?
Speaker 1:
[14:13] I thought it was the Oval Office, no?
Speaker 3:
[14:15] No, there's this little, I know, about this big of a, right off the Oval Office, there's this little, I don't know what you would call it, closet almost.
Speaker 1:
[14:27] An annex.
Speaker 3:
[14:28] Yes.
Speaker 1:
[14:28] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[14:29] And so he was proud to show me that. And he also showed me the gun, Saddam Hussein's gun.
Speaker 1:
[14:38] Chaney, oh no, never mind.
Speaker 3:
[14:40] Pistol.
Speaker 1:
[14:40] Not the gun Chaney.
Speaker 3:
[14:42] Not that gun. But anyhow, so he would say one time, I mean, he was pretty funny. He said, he says, you know, I can't run anymore and I'm on a treadmill and I'm flipping through the channels and he says, how do you do that thing that you do every day with a straight face? And I said, well, Mr. President, think about all the things you have to do every single day with a straight face. He says, yeah, gotcha. Yeah, that was it.
Speaker 2:
[15:10] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[15:11] So he connected with that.
Speaker 3:
[15:13] Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:
[15:14] Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:
[15:15] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[15:15] It must be hard sometimes not to laugh at things if you're the president.
Speaker 2:
[15:19] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[15:19] If you're like at a state dinner with like a pretty funny country, you know, you have to like take it seriously and so, yeah.
Speaker 3:
[15:26] We went to a state dinner for his father once, my wife and I.
Speaker 1:
[15:30] HW.
Speaker 3:
[15:31] HW.
Speaker 1:
[15:32] What state dinner?
Speaker 3:
[15:33] It was for, believe it or not, I think it was for Shimon Peres, maybe. It was maybe Israeli.
Speaker 1:
[15:41] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[15:41] I can't remember.
Speaker 1:
[15:42] Do they serve American food at the state?
Speaker 3:
[15:44] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[15:45] Yeah. They don't like put a falafel out or something.
Speaker 3:
[15:49] But Connie, my wife Connie, she was sitting next to HW and I was in the grandstand with Rumsfeld or one of those guys. I can't remember.
Speaker 2:
[15:59] Oh, yeah. Was Rummy funny?
Speaker 3:
[16:03] Rummy was okay.
Speaker 1:
[16:04] He used to get pissed at the media.
Speaker 3:
[16:05] I'll tell you who was never funny was Chaney.
Speaker 1:
[16:07] Chaney?
Speaker 3:
[16:08] Never.
Speaker 1:
[16:09] It was funny that one, nothing.
Speaker 3:
[16:15] What? You mean the bird hunt?
Speaker 1:
[16:17] Did he say sorry or? Yeah. What was Chaney like? Was he scary?
Speaker 3:
[16:25] No. He was just 100 percent serious all the time.
Speaker 1:
[16:32] Palpatine kind of stuff.
Speaker 3:
[16:33] His wife was nice.
Speaker 1:
[16:35] Oh, Chaney's wife. You never hear about her.
Speaker 3:
[16:37] Yeah. She was great.
Speaker 1:
[16:38] What was her name?
Speaker 3:
[16:39] Lynn.
Speaker 1:
[16:39] Lynn. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[16:40] She was great.
Speaker 2:
[16:41] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[16:42] See, because I knew them back when he was a congressman from Wyoming, and I was doing a show in Washington for a local station. And so I knew I used to have Lynn on all the time and he wasn't worth it.
Speaker 1:
[16:56] You would interview the Wyoming congressman's wife.
Speaker 3:
[16:59] Sure.
Speaker 2:
[17:00] Yeah. About what?
Speaker 3:
[17:01] Because she was doing something. I can't remember what or whatever, but she was a live wire. I liked her a lot. And so, I mean.
Speaker 2:
[17:14] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[17:14] You remember during Iraq, Rummy would get so pissed at the press pool.
Speaker 3:
[17:18] Oh, sure.
Speaker 1:
[17:19] He'd be like, oh, shut up.
Speaker 3:
[17:21] Another former congressman.
Speaker 2:
[17:22] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[17:23] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[17:24] That whole crew, that was like the post Nixon kind of Republican party. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[17:30] But you know who the star of that whole group was, was Condoleezza.
Speaker 1:
[17:35] Was she?
Speaker 3:
[17:35] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[17:36] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[17:36] She was great.
Speaker 2:
[17:38] What was her vibe like?
Speaker 3:
[17:39] She was, she was friendly.
Speaker 2:
[17:41] Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[17:42] Very accommodating. Would talk to and she would talk to the press.
Speaker 2:
[17:47] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[17:48] I, I, I associate that, that era completely differently with my, I was an adolescent and I was very against Iraq.
Speaker 3:
[17:57] I can understand.
Speaker 1:
[17:58] I was like, it made no sense.
Speaker 3:
[17:59] I was, you know, I ended up being against the two as soon as I found out there were no WMEs.
Speaker 2:
[18:05] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[18:06] I feel bad for WMDs. WMDs. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[18:09] Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[18:10] Well, it's all, yeah. I feel bad for, for old, for old Colin Powell. They were like, yeah.
Speaker 2:
[18:18] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[18:18] He was another fine fellow.
Speaker 1:
[18:20] Yeah. Was he? Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[18:21] Great.
Speaker 1:
[18:22] So were you close just with that crew or you knew everyone?
Speaker 3:
[18:27] Did I know anybody else?
Speaker 1:
[18:29] How'd you link up with the Bushes?
Speaker 3:
[18:32] Because of George W because we played golf.
Speaker 1:
[18:34] Because of golf?
Speaker 3:
[18:35] Yeah. All about golf. That's it. And I'll tell you, it was interesting because when his father was the vice president for Reagan, I would go to cover the conventions. Yeah. And I knew his mother and his mother knew that I was friendly with George. And one time I'm going and there was a convention and she, Barbara was sitting in the front row and I was on the floor, I guess, trying to get stories or whatever. And she goes, come over here.
Speaker 1:
[19:05] Babs. Wow.
Speaker 3:
[19:07] I said, she says, Maury, come over here. I said, yes. She says, can you convince George to stop using that smoke and tobacco?
Speaker 1:
[19:18] Really?
Speaker 3:
[19:18] I said, Mrs. Bush, you've got a much better chance of getting him to stop than I do. I can't get your son to stop that. But I'll tell you what I did do.
Speaker 1:
[19:29] It wasn't tobacco, probably, right?
Speaker 3:
[19:31] No, it was.
Speaker 1:
[19:32] Oh, never mind.
Speaker 3:
[19:35] But I'll tell you what, I'll give this guy credit. When I first met him, we used to like to drink.
Speaker 2:
[19:42] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[19:42] And one year he came and he stopped. Stopped.
Speaker 2:
[19:46] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[19:47] Cold turkey.
Speaker 2:
[19:47] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[19:48] He didn't want to embarrass his father. And he stopped.
Speaker 2:
[19:51] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[19:52] I was very impressed.
Speaker 1:
[19:53] Jeb was supposed to be the heir apparent, right? Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[19:56] Yeah. Connie knew Jeb more than I did.
Speaker 1:
[19:59] Really?
Speaker 2:
[20:00] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[20:00] Connie was friendly with Jeb.
Speaker 2:
[20:01] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[20:02] I didn't know Jeb much. I know Marvin, his younger brother, he's in Washington.
Speaker 1:
[20:06] Who's Marvin Bush? What does he do?
Speaker 3:
[20:08] That's a nut.
Speaker 1:
[20:09] He's a soul singer.
Speaker 3:
[20:10] He was an investment guy.
Speaker 1:
[20:12] Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:
[20:13] Really?
Speaker 3:
[20:14] Never into politics.
Speaker 1:
[20:15] How many boys was it? Just three?
Speaker 3:
[20:17] No, Neil.
Speaker 2:
[20:18] Neil Bush?
Speaker 1:
[20:19] How many have they got? Four boys. What's Neil's vibe? What does he do?
Speaker 3:
[20:24] Neil was in Colorado for a long time. He got into some issues, kind of problems.
Speaker 1:
[20:29] Oh, he was the bad brother. Yeah. There's always one. There's always a naughty brother. There's like Roger Clinton.
Speaker 3:
[20:35] I don't have a brother. I don't have a naughty brother.
Speaker 1:
[20:37] I'm talking presents.
Speaker 3:
[20:38] Oh yeah. Roger was fun.
Speaker 1:
[20:41] Jimmy Carter's brother.
Speaker 3:
[20:43] Yeah, Billy. No, that was a son.
Speaker 1:
[20:47] Was Billy Carter, he was the alcoholic. I thought that was a brother. Then of course, Fred Trump Jr. Fred Jr. was also a drunkard.
Speaker 2:
[20:58] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[20:58] I don't know why I said drunkard.
Speaker 3:
[21:00] Alcoholic.
Speaker 2:
[21:00] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[21:02] Have you met our president before?
Speaker 2:
[21:04] Yes.
Speaker 1:
[21:05] How many? Just around?
Speaker 3:
[21:06] Haven't seen him in a long time.
Speaker 1:
[21:08] What's he like as a guy? He's Trump? He's like that?
Speaker 3:
[21:11] I knew him. I almost want to say it was a different life.
Speaker 2:
[21:15] Yeah. As a playboy.
Speaker 3:
[21:18] First of all, way, way back in the mid to late 80s. I'm doing this show called The Current Affair, which is this tabloidy, really tabloid journalism. Yes. Big time out front show. And it was the time when he was cheating on Ivana with Marla Maples. Yes. And they were, it was New York Post, New York Daily News covers every single day. And Ivana had Liz Smith in the Daily News and she was taking her side. And Donald had Cindy Adams at the Post. He was taking hers. She was taking his side. And it was back and forth. And I'm doing a current affair. I mean, manna from heaven.
Speaker 1:
[22:00] This is a big story.
Speaker 3:
[22:01] This is the best.
Speaker 1:
[22:02] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[22:03] So we, I mean, we, we played in golf tournaments together. I, I mean, he, Donald was always, you know, always had this huge ego to this and that. So, I mean, and yet I never thought it would go that far.
Speaker 1:
[22:24] It's kind of the most amazing thing we've ever seen.
Speaker 3:
[22:27] Who would have ever thought, right?
Speaker 1:
[22:30] I remember being, I was like from The Apprentices, he's the president, right? That night was shocking.
Speaker 3:
[22:36] So, one time at a current affair, this is how much he thought of himself. Gorbachev is in the country and Trump is trying to get a meeting with Gorbachev at Trump Tower. And Gorbachev was coming to New York, and at the last minute, he has to cancel. And we had a current affair. We said, OK, we are going to play this trick on Donald. So, we hired a Gorbachev look-alike. No. Yeah. Hired this Gorbachev look-alike. And we had this great-
Speaker 1:
[23:12] You put some ketchup on his head or something?
Speaker 3:
[23:13] No, yeah. Yeah. It was perfect. It had the whole deal.
Speaker 1:
[23:16] Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:
[23:17] In Italy.
Speaker 1:
[23:17] You look like Italy, right?
Speaker 3:
[23:18] Italy or Africa.
Speaker 1:
[23:20] You look like Italy.
Speaker 2:
[23:21] I think. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[23:23] So, we had this Gorbachev look-alike, and our great Australian reporter, Gordon Elliott, is with him in a limousine with some girls. We're driving by Trump Tower, and we said at the last minute, we called Trump's office. Gorbachev is, he'll be able to stop by Trump Tower to say hello to you if that's what you want. Trump comes down the elevator out of Trump Tower with a necktie to give to Gorbachev. He gets there, he looks at the door, and he realizes the girls are there. And finally, Gordon Elliott says, I think he worked it out. He finally figured out that this was a-
Speaker 1:
[24:08] Was this for the show? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 3:
[24:10] It was a classic segment.
Speaker 1:
[24:13] But he didn't buy it. He was clever. Because I remember, he was the only guy that walked away from Ali G.
Speaker 3:
[24:19] But the point is to get him down there. To get him down there. Yeah. He would go anywhere to see Gorbachev.
Speaker 1:
[24:28] Of course. He probably wanted to build some gold crap in Russia. They would have loved it too. They love gold crap.
Speaker 3:
[24:37] Oh, God. That's to me desecration, what he did to the Oval Office. Just desecration.
Speaker 1:
[24:43] The East Wing or something?
Speaker 3:
[24:44] No, the Oval Office itself.
Speaker 1:
[24:46] He closed down the Lewinsky part?
Speaker 2:
[24:49] The gold, the gold.
Speaker 1:
[24:50] Oh, okay. I thought you were talking about the Lewinsky part.
Speaker 3:
[24:52] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[24:53] Well, Clinton, I guess, desecrated a little bit too.
Speaker 3:
[24:56] Yeah, but not that way. I'll tell you, I've been in that office from Kennedy through Bush.
Speaker 2:
[25:05] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[25:06] Each president maybe changed the rug.
Speaker 2:
[25:10] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[25:11] Maybe they put a different picture up.
Speaker 2:
[25:13] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[25:13] Of one of their favorites, maybe a sculpture or something. Never like this.
Speaker 1:
[25:19] The plaques are pretty funny. Yeah. The plaques are pretty funny.
Speaker 3:
[25:24] Yeah, but everything is gold all over the place.
Speaker 1:
[25:27] Yeah. I mean, that's what we get for electing Trump twice. Of course, he's going to put some gold crap up. I've said this before, but my sister called me really mad about the East Wing of the White House.
Speaker 3:
[25:42] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[25:43] I'm like, I don't know, they're like concentration camps right now in America, like the detention centers, like maybe a little bit, there's worse stuff happening right now. I don't know why I even said that.
Speaker 3:
[25:57] In other words.
Speaker 1:
[25:59] People are so infuriated by everything right now.
Speaker 3:
[26:04] The Trump Kennedy Center.
Speaker 1:
[26:07] Did he change it to his name or both?
Speaker 3:
[26:09] No.
Speaker 1:
[26:09] Trump and Kennedy.
Speaker 3:
[26:10] It's called the Trump Kennedy Center.
Speaker 1:
[26:12] Well, that's nice.
Speaker 3:
[26:17] This is what I want to know. Are there Democratic presidential candidates making a list of all the things that they've got to throw out?
Speaker 1:
[26:30] They're probably going to forget a couple. Yes, that's the thing. He's like, I got to put enough stuff, I got to put enough gold crap for me to forget.
Speaker 3:
[26:39] I saw the other day, he's trying to bargain with Schumer to get his name on Penn Station when they redo it.
Speaker 1:
[26:45] I can assure you that Schumer will lose that bargain somehow. Well, yes. Just as he seems to.
Speaker 3:
[26:51] I mean, all these people are of my generation. We have no business running the country.
Speaker 1:
[26:57] Yes, I was telling you on the phone when I first met Zoran, a bear. It dawned on me. I was like, this is the first time someone from my generation is like in the game right now. It felt like that.
Speaker 3:
[27:10] I don't understand why we can't give it up, meaning my generation.
Speaker 1:
[27:15] You guys are doing good.
Speaker 3:
[27:16] Yeah, but I mean, in Congress, I mean, in Congress, there's no money in Congress. There's power, but there's no money.
Speaker 1:
[27:25] Go back to 2016. Jeb was supposed to be the heir apparent to that dynasty. I think probably was the front runner, right?
Speaker 3:
[27:33] They thought so. It's right before Trump started to make a move. Even after he came down the escalator, Jeb was probably still in front of him.
Speaker 1:
[27:43] Well, that to me, and maybe you could know better, but that to me wasn't a real thing. I think that he was negotiating with Jeb Zucker for the new season of Apprentice, and I think that he was like, well, fuck you, I'll run for president and I'll be even bigger. Well, you'll have to pay.
Speaker 3:
[28:00] If you took a look at the ratings, his ratings had gone down.
Speaker 1:
[28:05] He built it big though. He built that show into the number two rated show behind the scene.
Speaker 3:
[28:10] Burnett was the genius behind the show.
Speaker 1:
[28:13] Yeah, and he was a good promoter to Trump.
Speaker 3:
[28:16] Best.
Speaker 1:
[28:16] He would go on Stern.
Speaker 3:
[28:17] Oh, he's the best.
Speaker 1:
[28:18] Yeah. I mean, he's so good that this war, I was a huge fan of what's going on in Iran, of course.
Speaker 3:
[28:27] You're a fan.
Speaker 1:
[28:28] Well, this man has promoted it, so yeah. No, I mean, what I'm saying is like, obviously, we now know that everyone was there at the escalator. Everyone was being paid, right?
Speaker 3:
[28:41] Oh, sure.
Speaker 1:
[28:41] Yeah, they weren't actual Trump fans. And it seemed like it was the pictures of him on election night look like, oh, fuck, now I have to be the president, you know?
Speaker 3:
[28:52] Well, I think he thought he was going to lose three times. I really do. I think he was going to lose three times. Yeah. But that's just me.
Speaker 1:
[29:05] What's your assessment of him as a guy from your couple of times you've met him?
Speaker 3:
[29:08] I mean, you just had to take everything he said. You just had to just kind of diminish it a certain way.
Speaker 1:
[29:17] He's a promoter.
Speaker 3:
[29:18] Yeah. I mean, he's just one of the great self-promoters of all time.
Speaker 1:
[29:23] But in a golf, like, foursome, is he behaving like he is on television? Is that just the guy he is? Or is that what he-
Speaker 3:
[29:34] He's a little more serious on the golf course.
Speaker 1:
[29:35] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[29:36] Yeah. He's all about into his golf.
Speaker 1:
[29:40] Yeah. Or not even golf necessarily. It's just in his life without cameras. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[29:45] I'll tell you something. I played with him once, maybe two or three, I mean, maybe I played five or six rounds with him.
Speaker 1:
[29:53] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[29:55] Never mentioned politics ever.
Speaker 1:
[29:57] Really?
Speaker 3:
[29:57] Never.
Speaker 1:
[29:59] That's, I mean, it's rude.
Speaker 3:
[30:02] But this was before he was a politician.
Speaker 1:
[30:05] Trump has good manners. We all know that about him. You don't mention politics or religion.
Speaker 3:
[30:09] Oh, gosh.
Speaker 1:
[30:11] So you've really seen it all. You're a newsman for a long time. Long time. And your father, of course, was the head of the sports.
Speaker 3:
[30:17] He was a sports columnist, writer for the Washington Post for 75 years.
Speaker 1:
[30:22] Yeah. And he broke, of course, Watergate. It was in the sports page.
Speaker 2:
[30:26] No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1:
[30:27] Yes, it was. Someone from the Washington senators hit a ball into the Watergate hotel, right?
Speaker 3:
[30:34] No. The newspaper broke Watergate, not my father. Woodward and Bernstein broke Watergate.
Speaker 1:
[30:41] I look into it. I'll take you in good faith, sir.
Speaker 3:
[30:44] Okay.
Speaker 1:
[30:46] Of course, my association with you, and I told you this when we first spoke, is being home sick from school, right?
Speaker 3:
[30:55] Me and Springer, I think.
Speaker 1:
[30:58] Price is Right was the first one.
Speaker 3:
[31:00] Oh, Price is Right. Sure.
Speaker 1:
[31:01] Bob Barker. Because your parents are like at work.
Speaker 3:
[31:02] Bob Barker.
Speaker 1:
[31:03] Bob Barker, of course.
Speaker 3:
[31:04] Who knew about him?
Speaker 1:
[31:06] Who knew about what?
Speaker 3:
[31:09] Oh, he was like a little dirty old man or something like that.
Speaker 1:
[31:13] Are they all? You're the only gentleman in show business. No. From what I understand.
Speaker 3:
[31:19] No, it's not true.
Speaker 1:
[31:22] You watch Price is Right, then you get Springer, Maury, and then the end of the day, and it's funny, the end of the being home sick from school lineup.
Speaker 3:
[31:31] Which was?
Speaker 1:
[31:32] Is around the horn, and then PTI, right? And of course, I mentioned that to you.
Speaker 3:
[31:37] Kornheiser you love.
Speaker 1:
[31:38] And your father hired Kornheiser.
Speaker 3:
[31:41] Yes.
Speaker 1:
[31:41] Hired Kornheiser.
Speaker 3:
[31:42] In fact, the sports editor hired him. He wanted my father's opinion of him. They hired Kornheiser, and Kornheiser's kind of like the first guy they hired at the post in the sports department to be kind of humorous. Yeah. All right? So he writes his first few columns. My father goes to the sports editor, George Solomon, and George says, I don't think he's funny. And George says, surely you don't think, my father's name was Shirley. Shirley, you don't really, I don't think he's funny. So then my father, God love him, and I give him a lot of credit. About three weeks later, goes into Solomon's office and says, George, I was wrong. He's very funny.
Speaker 1:
[32:20] He's one of the funniest guys.
Speaker 3:
[32:23] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[32:24] Are you calling him?
Speaker 3:
[32:24] I'm going to try. Let me see what the story is.
Speaker 1:
[32:27] Hornheiser?
Speaker 3:
[32:28] Let me see if I can get it.
Speaker 1:
[32:30] I asked Pablo to do this too.
Speaker 3:
[32:32] And he wouldn't do it?
Speaker 1:
[32:33] He did, but he didn't pick up, and I left him.
Speaker 3:
[32:35] He didn't pick up?
Speaker 1:
[32:36] Yeah, but maybe for...
Speaker 3:
[32:37] He's going to be pissed off because he wants everything. You know, he's the Larry David of... He wants everything. He has to have everything laid out. I won't blow it.
Speaker 1:
[32:48] I won't blow it.
Speaker 3:
[32:49] But the point is, will he even consent to talking to you?
Speaker 2:
[32:53] You're huge.
Speaker 1:
[32:56] If what you say goes, put it on speaker.
Speaker 3:
[33:03] Oh, I hope he's not there.
Speaker 1:
[33:06] I hope he's there. We'll call Bush after that. Can we call Bush, though?
Speaker 3:
[33:12] Hello? Tony? Maury?
Speaker 4:
[33:16] I'm Maury.
Speaker 3:
[33:17] How are you?
Speaker 4:
[33:19] I'm fine and I'm doing better on chip shots because of you.
Speaker 3:
[33:23] Oh, good. Your chipping is much better. Isn't that great? Now, here's the thing, Tony. I know I hate to do this because I'm sitting here with a guy that Pablo loves the best and he tried to get you to talk to him. His name is Adam Friedland. I'm nervous. He's a big time-
Speaker 4:
[33:39] I don't talk to people.
Speaker 3:
[33:40] Okay. All right. You won't talk to him. You don't want to talk to him.
Speaker 4:
[33:44] Put him on. Is he there?
Speaker 3:
[33:45] Yeah. He's right here.
Speaker 1:
[33:46] Tony, Tony.
Speaker 4:
[33:47] Put him on.
Speaker 1:
[33:47] Tony, I left you a voicemail with Pablo. I don't know if you know how to get the voicemails on these films. No.
Speaker 4:
[33:55] I don't know how.
Speaker 1:
[33:57] I'm a massive-
Speaker 4:
[33:58] Were you the person who compared me to Larry David?
Speaker 1:
[34:03] Larry David. Larry David. Yes.
Speaker 4:
[34:05] Okay. That was so odd because I know Larry David. I mean-
Speaker 2:
[34:09] Can you loop him in? Let's get him on the phone.
Speaker 1:
[34:13] Yes. Go ahead. No, sorry.
Speaker 4:
[34:15] Larry David went to this camp, Camp Tioga for one year. I went there the next year and met the woman who then became my wife. So everybody had Larry David stories because he was 17 or 18. Then I met Larry a couple of times and I think he thought I was a jerk.
Speaker 1:
[34:36] Really?
Speaker 4:
[34:37] Yeah. I think that was my sense of it. His best friend in high school was a very good friend of mine in college.
Speaker 1:
[34:43] Bernie Madoff, of course.
Speaker 4:
[34:46] No. No. Did he go to that school, to Cheapskate Bay High School? My friend Jay Bloomfield. My friend Jay Bloomfield was a very good friend of Larry David's. Anyway, I don't talk to people because I will say something, it will be the end of my career.
Speaker 2:
[34:58] I just don't do it.
Speaker 1:
[35:00] Of course. I'm looking forward to you coming on the show.
Speaker 4:
[35:03] Pablo, do you understand?
Speaker 3:
[35:04] I love Pablo.
Speaker 4:
[35:05] I won't talk to him. Or Leviton. I won't talk to him.
Speaker 1:
[35:09] Well, thank you.
Speaker 3:
[35:10] I'll get you in a cello in my relationship.
Speaker 1:
[35:12] I'm going to get you in a cello tomorrow, maybe.
Speaker 3:
[35:15] Tony, Tony, I'm more interested in your chipping.
Speaker 4:
[35:19] Yes. Well, I got it in the back of my... You told me you put the ball way back in the back of my stance.
Speaker 3:
[35:24] Correct.
Speaker 4:
[35:24] The hardest thing for me is getting the club up high enough so that when it makes contact, it actually gets under the ball and I don't just drill the ball.
Speaker 3:
[35:35] Right.
Speaker 4:
[35:35] But I'm trying. But I have the posture of it correct. And I, you know, sometimes it works. You know, I met a guy yesterday playing golf, David, somebody or other, with a long name that began with an A, who said to me, so I think you were a friend of my former law partner, David Povich. Oh, wow. I said, I lived three blocks away at some point. And he talked with great fondness about your brother. And then I told stories about your dad.
Speaker 3:
[36:03] Right. Tony.
Speaker 1:
[36:06] Tony, what do you think?
Speaker 3:
[36:07] Tony.
Speaker 1:
[36:07] What do you think? You think LeBron could pull it off the first round?
Speaker 3:
[36:11] No, stop. Stop.
Speaker 2:
[36:12] Tony, what do you think?
Speaker 4:
[36:14] Two guys out, two guys for 45 points.
Speaker 2:
[36:17] What?
Speaker 1:
[36:17] It would be like kind of a last dance, it'd be amazing, wouldn't it?
Speaker 3:
[36:21] Yeah, it'd be a last dance.
Speaker 4:
[36:23] I don't think it's a last chance. He's playing at 41, like 85 percent of the league wish they could play at a 26.
Speaker 2:
[36:30] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[36:31] I don't understand. He just goes to Switzerland.
Speaker 3:
[36:35] Tony, I'm coming down there, in a week or two, we'll go play.
Speaker 1:
[36:39] Yeah, can't wait. I'll be there. Tony, I'll be there.
Speaker 3:
[36:43] Bye.
Speaker 1:
[36:45] That was the best moment of my entire life. It really makes up for your association with the war in Iraq, Maury. I'm glad.
Speaker 3:
[36:52] I'm glad. The fact that I'm a friend of George Bush's. And now the fact that you talked to Tony Kornheiser on the phone.
Speaker 2:
[37:00] Can we call Bush? I'll be nice.
Speaker 1:
[37:02] I'll be respectful. I have a lot of respect for the office.
Speaker 3:
[37:04] No, I haven't talked to him in years.
Speaker 1:
[37:06] Really? What happened? You got a falling out with Bush?
Speaker 3:
[37:08] No, I did not.
Speaker 1:
[37:09] This is the exclusive.
Speaker 3:
[37:10] No, he's busy. I'm busy.
Speaker 1:
[37:11] Really? Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[37:14] Did you like that?
Speaker 1:
[37:15] It was so cool. My heart is racing. Honestly, I mean.
Speaker 3:
[37:19] By the way, you are so right on about Larry David.
Speaker 1:
[37:23] He is.
Speaker 3:
[37:23] He's the sports version of Larry.
Speaker 1:
[37:25] They're just slo-mozzles.
Speaker 3:
[37:26] I mean, you have no idea what he has to do to get on an airplane. I mean, he has to plan a week ahead.
Speaker 1:
[37:36] I'll ask Pablo if we could put this in the episode. Pablo said he took the train up to go to Pablo's wedding. He took the ocella back. He was the star of the wedding. Everyone was excited. I said, how bad was the present? He said, he didn't give me one present.
Speaker 3:
[37:54] You don't get presents.
Speaker 2:
[37:55] Of course.
Speaker 3:
[37:57] His showing up, his presence is the present.
Speaker 1:
[37:59] His presence is a present.
Speaker 2:
[38:00] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[38:04] Why did you get so friendly with Pablo?
Speaker 1:
[38:08] I met him at a game. I went to see Lucas' first game against the Nets with the Lakers.
Speaker 3:
[38:16] You were at the at the Barclays Center?
Speaker 1:
[38:18] At the Barclays Center. I lived by there.
Speaker 3:
[38:20] I didn't know you lived in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1:
[38:22] Yeah. I live in Forkery in Brooklyn. My address is D***** Avenue, apartment D*****.
Speaker 3:
[38:32] You're really crazy.
Speaker 1:
[38:34] You are.
Speaker 3:
[38:36] Have you been to my daughter's restaurant?
Speaker 1:
[38:39] No. What restaurant?
Speaker 3:
[38:40] In Red Hook?
Speaker 1:
[38:42] Which one? The Red Hook Tavern?
Speaker 3:
[38:44] Red Hook Lobster Pound.
Speaker 1:
[38:45] That's your daughter's?
Speaker 3:
[38:46] My daughter.
Speaker 2:
[38:47] Yes, I have.
Speaker 1:
[38:47] Let's give it up for Red Hook. Let's give it up. My hometown barbecue, right next to it.
Speaker 3:
[38:52] Is that right?
Speaker 2:
[38:52] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[38:53] I'm telling you, she and her husband Ralph, my daughter Susan and Ralph, said there are no good lobsters in Brooklyn. They went to Maine and used to truck down the lobsters every week.
Speaker 1:
[39:04] Tell me about this Ralph.
Speaker 3:
[39:06] Ralph Gorham is the best.
Speaker 1:
[39:07] Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:
[39:08] Southie, baby. Southie.
Speaker 2:
[39:09] You let one of those on your-
Speaker 3:
[39:11] Absolutely.
Speaker 1:
[39:12] That's your angel.
Speaker 3:
[39:14] Southie? My southern law from Southie.
Speaker 1:
[39:18] He's from the departed? This gentleman? He's Whitey Ford and you're-
Speaker 3:
[39:25] Those streets, baby. Bolger streets.
Speaker 1:
[39:27] It's probably now it's like luxury apartments at this point, if I had to guess.
Speaker 3:
[39:31] My Southie son-in-law, I love him. He's coming to dinner tonight.
Speaker 1:
[39:35] Is he? Where are we going?
Speaker 3:
[39:37] My house.
Speaker 2:
[39:38] Okay.
Speaker 1:
[39:38] What are you making?
Speaker 3:
[39:40] Tonight, we're having prime rib, baby.
Speaker 2:
[39:42] Prime rib you're making? No.
Speaker 3:
[39:43] No.
Speaker 1:
[39:44] You have a guy with a chef's hat carving to you?
Speaker 2:
[39:48] I'm getting married.
Speaker 1:
[39:49] My girlfriend-
Speaker 3:
[39:50] Are you getting married?
Speaker 1:
[39:51] Yeah. In September, she won't let me do prime rib carving station.
Speaker 3:
[39:54] Why not?
Speaker 2:
[39:54] I can't do anything because any idea of mine is bad.
Speaker 1:
[39:58] I don't even want to get started.
Speaker 3:
[39:59] Why are you getting married if every idea is bad?
Speaker 1:
[40:02] Oh, that is amazing. I can't believe her. What an idiot.
Speaker 2:
[40:07] She's going to be my friend forever? I can't believe it. It's so nice of her.
Speaker 3:
[40:12] Why are you doing this?
Speaker 1:
[40:14] Because I love her. She doesn't realize that she's going to wake up one day and look at me.
Speaker 3:
[40:20] I'll say the same thing that my mother said to me when I used to bring girls back to the house. What did she say? I'd say, Mom, what do you think of this young lady? My mother would say, I don't understand anybody who would go out with you.
Speaker 1:
[40:36] That's the same thing. I feel that way every time.
Speaker 3:
[40:38] So there you go.
Speaker 1:
[40:40] I've never been intimate with a woman and not had in the back of my mind, what is wrong with her?
Speaker 2:
[40:46] Her father, can you imagine what is she doing to her family?
Speaker 1:
[40:51] What is this?
Speaker 2:
[40:53] She's an idiot.
Speaker 3:
[40:54] How long have you gone with her?
Speaker 1:
[40:57] Six and a half years since January 2020.
Speaker 3:
[41:04] We dated off and on for like seven.
Speaker 1:
[41:06] Yeah. Well, you guys were professionals at the time.
Speaker 3:
[41:11] She was a star. I was Mr. Chung. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1:
[41:14] I know. Why didn't you take her name ever? Do you think it would have been cultural appropriation?
Speaker 3:
[41:19] Everybody in New York, everybody on the Upper West Side thinks of me as Mr. Chung.
Speaker 1:
[41:23] Really?
Speaker 3:
[41:24] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[41:24] That's kind of cool.
Speaker 3:
[41:25] That's all right.
Speaker 1:
[41:25] If someone gave me a different ethnic last name, I would wear it with pride. I want to take her last name, it's Italian. I can't say it on the show. Yeah, that's right. I think people would respect- Caleb, would you respect it?
Speaker 3:
[41:38] Do you speak Italian?
Speaker 1:
[41:40] No, of course not.
Speaker 3:
[41:42] You're going to try?
Speaker 1:
[41:44] No, I have better things to do with my life.
Speaker 3:
[41:47] I've always heard to speak Italian and couldn't speak a word.
Speaker 1:
[41:50] Really?
Speaker 3:
[41:51] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[41:51] Do you speak any languages?
Speaker 3:
[41:53] Yeah, barely English.
Speaker 2:
[41:55] Really?
Speaker 1:
[41:56] Listen, you're being self-deprecating, I'm being self-deprecating. This is probably for my dad who's still watching.
Speaker 3:
[42:04] You're not self-deprecating.
Speaker 1:
[42:06] I hate you.
Speaker 3:
[42:06] You're miserable.
Speaker 1:
[42:07] I'm not miserable.
Speaker 2:
[42:08] No, no, no.
Speaker 3:
[42:09] You sound miserable.
Speaker 1:
[42:10] I do it to disarm a guest. I think I'm the greatest guy in the world. It's my trick.
Speaker 2:
[42:17] You were in hard news before your talk show for a long time.
Speaker 3:
[42:23] In fact, I used to, in the 70s, see, I know you went to Israel for a year, right?
Speaker 1:
[42:29] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[42:30] And you got upset.
Speaker 1:
[42:32] Cut that.
Speaker 2:
[42:32] Cut that. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[42:33] I continue.
Speaker 3:
[42:35] Really?
Speaker 1:
[42:35] No, I'm just kidding. I, yeah.
Speaker 3:
[42:38] You worked there for a year.
Speaker 1:
[42:40] I worked on an ambulance and I took, I studied, I took classes for a year before college. Yeah. So, yeah.
Speaker 3:
[42:46] I haven't been there in 40 years, but after the 73 war.
Speaker 1:
[42:52] Yeah. The Yom Kippur War.
Speaker 3:
[42:54] Yeah. I went to right where it's happening right now. Back then, it wasn't Hezbollah, it was the PLO and it was Yasser Arafat.
Speaker 1:
[43:05] Yes.
Speaker 3:
[43:06] All right.
Speaker 1:
[43:06] You look like Ringo Starr a little bit, no?
Speaker 3:
[43:09] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[43:09] Yeah, they did.
Speaker 3:
[43:10] Yeah. So, they were in Southern Lebanon just the same way Hezbollah is.
Speaker 2:
[43:15] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[43:16] They were having a war back and forth just the way they are now. So, I went to cover that for about a week or two.
Speaker 1:
[43:22] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[43:26] It never ends.
Speaker 2:
[43:27] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[43:28] It just never ends.
Speaker 2:
[43:30] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[43:32] It's really fucked up.
Speaker 3:
[43:34] What I don't understand, you know what really pisses me off? That there's a certain, like the Trumpsters, the Magas, think that if you don't like the Israeli government, you're anti-Semitic. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[43:51] Well, a lot of people say that.
Speaker 3:
[43:53] That is absolutely shitty and wrong.
Speaker 1:
[43:56] Yeah. It kind of devalues the term anti-Semitism, right?
Speaker 3:
[44:02] Absolutely.
Speaker 1:
[44:02] Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:
[44:04] But more than that, people don't get it. You can be for a country and against their government.
Speaker 1:
[44:11] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure.
Speaker 3:
[44:14] And Netanyahu, he's led the Trumpster right down the road.
Speaker 1:
[44:20] Yeah. It's a real nightmare, isn't it? The whole situation. I don't know. Yeah. It's really stressful. Do you think it's changed like anti-Semitism here in the last three years?
Speaker 3:
[44:34] Well, first of all, it's changed the definition as to what it is.
Speaker 1:
[44:38] I feel like a lot of people don't like Jews, but because they see Judaism associated with like a brutality maybe.
Speaker 3:
[44:45] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[44:45] I'm not saying it's right not to like Jews.
Speaker 3:
[44:47] That's wrong. You blame the government. Sure.
Speaker 1:
[44:50] Yeah. It's kind of tough when you see a star of David flag and they're doing that, right? Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[44:58] I mean. I bleed for both. I bleed for Israel and I bleed for those poor Palestinians.
Speaker 1:
[45:12] Yeah. You know what the problem is? Israel, they go to the army. It's not our thing. Going to war has never been our thing. Hiding from the war.
Speaker 3:
[45:28] What? Jews?
Speaker 1:
[45:29] Yeah. They are our thing for 1800 years. We hide from the war.
Speaker 3:
[45:33] No, no.
Speaker 1:
[45:33] Come on. Yeah. We just stand back there. We're like, is it over yet?
Speaker 3:
[45:37] Come on.
Speaker 1:
[45:38] Come on. There's a best-selling book about it. Sorry. Sorry, Maury. Don't be mad at me.
Speaker 3:
[45:44] I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 1:
[45:45] There's a best-selling book about a Jew hiding from a war. They teach it in all the schools.
Speaker 3:
[45:50] Look, you hide from the Holocaust, right?
Speaker 1:
[45:53] I think we hid for a long time for the war.
Speaker 3:
[45:55] But you're going to try to tell me they were meek and cowardly when you take a look at the Warsaw Ghetto and you take a look at all these other attempts?
Speaker 1:
[46:03] I agree. What I'm saying is, if I told my mother I was going to Afghanistan when I graduated high school, she would have killed me first. Right? We're not worth it. Our thing is talk shows and romantic comedies, and folk albums, and making pictures.
Speaker 2:
[46:21] We did and we've done phenomenal at that. Right?
Speaker 3:
[46:24] Come on.
Speaker 1:
[46:25] What?
Speaker 2:
[46:28] Did they say thank you? No.
Speaker 1:
[46:30] Did they say thank you? Not once.
Speaker 3:
[46:32] You don't think there are any Jews in Seal Team 6?
Speaker 1:
[46:35] Hopefully not.
Speaker 3:
[46:36] Maybe.
Speaker 1:
[46:36] Oh my God.
Speaker 2:
[46:37] I'm sure there are.
Speaker 1:
[46:39] I don't think. I bet.
Speaker 3:
[46:40] Absolutely, there are.
Speaker 2:
[46:41] Wait, Thomas. Look up if there's a Jew in Seal Team 6.
Speaker 3:
[46:48] I guarantee you there are Jews in the Seals.
Speaker 2:
[46:53] In the Seals?
Speaker 1:
[46:54] Maybe in the intelligence.
Speaker 3:
[47:00] Stop being a, stop promoting stereotypes.
Speaker 1:
[47:03] Wait, when you went to, when did you graduate high school?
Speaker 3:
[47:07] 1957.
Speaker 1:
[47:08] Okay. You went to college.
Speaker 3:
[47:10] I was going, yeah, but I got kicked out of college.
Speaker 1:
[47:14] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[47:14] And I went back and then I- Why did you get kicked out? I didn't go to class.
Speaker 1:
[47:19] What were you doing?
Speaker 3:
[47:20] I was having fun. I went to an all boys high school.
Speaker 1:
[47:25] So they're girls when you went to college. Yeah. You went to Penn.
Speaker 2:
[47:28] You went to a good school. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[47:30] So, well, old Trump went there too.
Speaker 3:
[47:32] Yeah. I'd like to know how he got in, but that's not a story.
Speaker 1:
[47:36] Probably from being very good at school.
Speaker 3:
[47:38] He didn't start at Penn.
Speaker 1:
[47:40] I think Benjamin Franklin started it.
Speaker 3:
[47:42] Yeah. But Trump didn't start at Penn. He started at Fordham, I think.
Speaker 1:
[47:46] Oh, yeah. In the Bronx. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[47:48] And then he transferred. Anyway, that's not the point.
Speaker 1:
[47:52] I'm just saying we're lovers.
Speaker 2:
[47:54] No, this is the point.
Speaker 3:
[47:55] This is the point. I got out of school, and Kennedy's in, and there's a draft, all right? Now, I'm going to be drafted.
Speaker 1:
[48:04] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[48:05] So I go for my pre-induction physical.
Speaker 1:
[48:07] You're like, hey.
Speaker 2:
[48:10] What?
Speaker 3:
[48:11] Go to my pre-induction physical.
Speaker 2:
[48:13] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[48:13] Right. In 1962, in Washington, DC, and I'm scheduled to be drafted. Then nothing happens in June, nothing happens in July, nothing happens in August. I get married in August, and my wife, my then wife is pregnant in September, and I'm out of the draft, and I'm going, if everybody's been drafted, I wonder why wasn't I called? And then I, they told me.
Speaker 1:
[48:44] No Jews, they didn't let Jews. No, in Washington DC.,
Speaker 3:
[48:47] in Washington DC., because the federal government and the military was the first thing that blacks could get a good job. All of the quotas every single month were filled up by black enlistments.
Speaker 1:
[49:00] Really?
Speaker 3:
[49:01] And that's why I didn't get drafted.
Speaker 1:
[49:02] Because you were white? No. I don't get it, I'm confused. So why didn't you get drafted?
Speaker 3:
[49:09] Because all the blacks enlisted, filled up the quotas every month.
Speaker 1:
[49:13] They enlisted because it was a good job and DC was poor. Okay. Sorry.
Speaker 3:
[49:16] I said then my wife gets pregnant and I'm out of the draft.
Speaker 1:
[49:19] Yeah. You sound like a regular Jane Fonda to me.
Speaker 3:
[49:22] No, I'm not.
Speaker 1:
[49:22] Yes, you are.
Speaker 3:
[49:23] I used to interview Jane Fonda right after she went to Hanoi.
Speaker 1:
[49:26] She impregnated someone so she didn't have to go. She got pregnant.
Speaker 2:
[49:30] Never mind.
Speaker 1:
[49:30] Okay.
Speaker 3:
[49:32] I think you got it wrong.
Speaker 2:
[49:33] I'm nervous, Maury.
Speaker 1:
[49:34] I'm nervous because I'm a big fan of yours.
Speaker 3:
[49:37] Geez. Half a million people on YouTube. This is pretty good.
Speaker 1:
[49:42] Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3:
[49:43] In fact, my nephew's-
Speaker 1:
[49:44] Can you imagine why? I don't get why.
Speaker 3:
[49:46] My nephew's girlfriend, LeBeth, as soon as she read the interview, she texted me, she said, I can't believe that you and Adam Friedland got together. He's the best.
Speaker 1:
[50:00] Yeah, he's the water.
Speaker 3:
[50:00] I watch him all the time.
Speaker 1:
[50:02] Really?
Speaker 3:
[50:02] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[50:03] Oh, well, tell her thank you.
Speaker 3:
[50:04] Out of the blue.
Speaker 1:
[50:05] Really?
Speaker 3:
[50:06] Never heard from her before ever.
Speaker 1:
[50:08] Maybe send it to Tony. Maybe send that to him.
Speaker 3:
[50:11] You really want Tony on your show.
Speaker 2:
[50:13] I just want to be friends with him.
Speaker 3:
[50:15] When I had Will Bon and Tony on, he would only be on audio. He wouldn't be on video.
Speaker 1:
[50:23] We could get someone to play him and we'll do like AI or something. Yeah. How bad was the gift?
Speaker 2:
[50:31] He didn't give me a gift.
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Speaker 3:
[57:44] Right. Everything.
Speaker 1:
[57:46] How many cities were you in?
Speaker 3:
[57:48] I started in Washington and then because of my father, I said after a long time and I was very successful, I said, can I play elsewhere? So in the next seven years, I worked in Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia and back to Washington. In fact, to the point where Richard Reeves, then the White House correspondent for the New York Times wrote this column in Esquire magazine. He said, for the last four St. Patty's days, I have watched my friend Maury Povich anchor the news in four different cities. He's trying to go nationwide city by city. That's how crazy my life was.
Speaker 1:
[58:31] So what were you doing to the Irish at these St. Patrick's days that got you fired? You said disparaging comments about the Irish.
Speaker 3:
[58:40] Do you have a list of people who have done you wrong?
Speaker 1:
[58:44] No. I don't like carrying anything. What does it do for them if you don't like someone?
Speaker 3:
[58:54] In this nomadic seven-year career, I had a list of five station managers or whatever.
Speaker 2:
[59:02] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[59:03] That I said, boy, did you get them back ever? I hope they get theirs.
Speaker 2:
[59:09] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[59:10] So believe it or not, every single one of them in subsequent years all got fired and I, instead of going, I felt sorry for them.
Speaker 2:
[59:22] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[59:23] It's like their health insurance and their kids. Sad to lose a job.
Speaker 3:
[59:29] I was really surprised that I felt sorry for them rather than hold the grudge.
Speaker 1:
[59:33] Well, they were like, Maury's handsome, he'll figure it out.
Speaker 3:
[59:37] They didn't think so.
Speaker 1:
[59:38] They didn't think you were handsome?
Speaker 3:
[59:39] No, they didn't think I was. One guy didn't think I was good anchor material, another guy didn't think that.
Speaker 1:
[59:47] Is there an anti-Semitism thing? No.
Speaker 2:
[59:49] No.
Speaker 1:
[59:50] Okay.
Speaker 3:
[59:52] I don't think you're...
Speaker 2:
[59:53] I guess you could be...
Speaker 1:
[59:54] I was just playing with it.
Speaker 3:
[59:55] You can have it on your mind and anything else, but guess what?
Speaker 2:
[59:58] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[59:58] I don't think I've ever in my lifetime experienced that in the business.
Speaker 1:
[60:03] Yeah, I don't really think I have experienced it in a real way. Are you kidding?
Speaker 3:
[60:07] All the Jewish comics?
Speaker 1:
[60:09] Oh, in the business, no, because we started the business.
Speaker 3:
[60:13] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[60:13] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[60:14] I got a call after October 7th from my agent, and he's like, how are you?
Speaker 2:
[60:18] And I'm like, my career?
Speaker 1:
[60:20] And he's like, no, with the impending eradication of our people. Pablo just got a call.
Speaker 3:
[60:25] Huh?
Speaker 1:
[60:26] We have to follow up.
Speaker 3:
[60:27] You want to call Pablo?
Speaker 1:
[60:29] Pablo just got a call from Tony. Let's see what's going on.
Speaker 3:
[60:35] If you ruin my relationship with Tony Kornheiser, I will tell you this. I will make sure that within a year, you'll have about 3,000 YouTube viewers.
Speaker 1:
[60:46] What are you going to do?
Speaker 2:
[60:47] You're going to get Bush? You're going to get Bush to invade me?
Speaker 1:
[60:56] Pablo, why are you picking up?
Speaker 5:
[60:58] Elbow.
Speaker 1:
[60:59] So, okay, hi.
Speaker 2:
[61:00] Pablo.
Speaker 5:
[61:01] Hi.
Speaker 3:
[61:02] Pablo. Pablo.
Speaker 2:
[61:04] Why do you say hi low?
Speaker 1:
[61:06] You said hi sad to me.
Speaker 3:
[61:07] I'm telling you right now, Pablo, if this, if these last ten minutes have destroyed my relationship with Tony Kornheiser, I will...
Speaker 5:
[61:18] Look, Maury, how do I...
Speaker 2:
[61:21] He's not happy?
Speaker 5:
[61:23] No, I mean, he just calls me up, and he immediately says, who is this Adam Friedland?
Speaker 2:
[61:30] So what did you say?
Speaker 5:
[61:32] I become your agent.
Speaker 2:
[61:34] So what did you say?
Speaker 5:
[61:35] He's very popular with young people. I've kind of like appealed to Kornheiser and how he thinks of things. I'm like, young people love him. They say he's a millennial John Stewart. He's a super fan.
Speaker 2:
[61:49] I love him.
Speaker 5:
[61:52] I said that.
Speaker 1:
[61:53] I told him I'm going to get the Acela for him tomorrow.
Speaker 3:
[61:56] Pablo. Pablo.
Speaker 5:
[61:57] I mean, this is where Maury, you know, I mean, Maury and I know, I mean, Maury's way more successful at this than me.
Speaker 1:
[62:05] No, I wouldn't say that. You're a star.
Speaker 2:
[62:07] Yeah. No.
Speaker 5:
[62:08] Well, the level of being a supernova, but also getting Kornheiser to do anything.
Speaker 1:
[62:16] Well, because Maury's like a scratch golfer. He's amazing.
Speaker 3:
[62:20] Yeah, anyway, Pablo, did you tell Adam about how we toasted, how we dusted Nick Cannon on Plan Spades? Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[62:31] We got to hear this. Yeah. What's up? Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[62:34] We went on Nick Cannon's Replan Spades podcast, and we dusted him and his co-host.
Speaker 2:
[62:40] Alliterated. Really?
Speaker 3:
[62:42] Me and Pablo.
Speaker 1:
[62:43] You know, Nick Cannon has some thoughts about the Jewish.
Speaker 2:
[62:47] The Jews.
Speaker 1:
[62:48] You know that?
Speaker 2:
[62:49] That did not come up.
Speaker 3:
[62:50] His doctor is Jewish.
Speaker 1:
[62:52] Doctor Sebi?
Speaker 3:
[62:53] No.
Speaker 2:
[62:55] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[62:55] That's tough.
Speaker 1:
[62:56] Pablo, I talked to Tony and it felt like flying.
Speaker 5:
[63:01] I was going to say, what I told him was, by merely being irate on the phone with Maury about Adam, you made Adam's day.
Speaker 2:
[63:10] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[63:10] Made Adam's day.
Speaker 1:
[63:11] Yeah. I meet people all the time for the show, and I'm sick in the head. I'm delusional. Like I'm not nervous around anyone. It's the first time I've been nervous since I saw Dice at the stand.
Speaker 5:
[63:24] You saw Andrew Dice, Clay?
Speaker 1:
[63:26] I get nervous for the most random people. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[63:29] I don't know him. What's he like?
Speaker 1:
[63:30] What's he like? His act or as a guy?
Speaker 3:
[63:34] Person.
Speaker 1:
[63:35] As a guy, I think he's just a Jewish guy. I think it's a character. But his act is as if the last 40 years of culture has never happened.
Speaker 2:
[63:45] He had a chunk on Caitlyn Jenner that was, oof, you with the sexy girl, you reached out the front of her purse, there's a tree trunk.
Speaker 1:
[63:58] I think that was one of the lines. It was really, it was a blast from the past.
Speaker 5:
[64:03] You should tell Cornelius this. You should say that there are two people who have made me feel this way. One is you, the other is, and then you should just do your impression of Andrew Diceclay.
Speaker 1:
[64:11] Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the other one was Jadakiss.
Speaker 3:
[64:15] Pablo, Pablo, this is important, Pablo. Yes. Where are you with the NBA? Are you still persona non grata?
Speaker 5:
[64:23] I may or may not be be tailed at various arenas.
Speaker 1:
[64:27] Are they listening?
Speaker 5:
[64:29] They might be, honestly, depending on the, I don't know what level of Israeli spyware has been installed on my phone or by which owner, but it's non zero chance that they're also listening to us right now.
Speaker 1:
[64:40] Well, Papa, you told me that you think this Iran thing is going to be awesome.
Speaker 5:
[64:48] I said the Strait is under control. The Strait of Hormuz is famously under control.
Speaker 1:
[64:54] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[64:55] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[64:56] Yeah. I saw Dice performing. He's like, I was with this chicken.
Speaker 2:
[65:00] The Strait of Hormuz was closed. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[65:03] No, I tried something there.
Speaker 2:
[65:05] We're going to cut that.
Speaker 5:
[65:05] We're going to cut it.
Speaker 3:
[65:07] You're going to cut that?
Speaker 2:
[65:08] And the Strait of Hormuz was closed.
Speaker 3:
[65:10] Pablo, I've been on here an hour and I guarantee you 30 minutes of it has been cut.
Speaker 5:
[65:15] I was going to say, is Maury aware of how predatory your edit is going to be on this?
Speaker 2:
[65:21] We haven't even talked about the talk show yet. We haven't even said the term, not the father yet.
Speaker 1:
[65:26] We're just, this is just the chemistry between me and this gentleman, this legend.
Speaker 5:
[65:34] Let me say this, I'm so jealous that you guys are hanging out without me.
Speaker 1:
[65:38] You want to come over?
Speaker 2:
[65:39] We'll keep going for another, I don't know, another hour.
Speaker 5:
[65:42] Keep it going for a couple more hours and I'll drop it.
Speaker 1:
[65:45] All right. You want to get Tony Reale maybe, Woody Page?
Speaker 3:
[65:49] By the way, I love Woody Page.
Speaker 5:
[65:52] We'll get Tim Kalashaw.
Speaker 3:
[65:52] I love Woody Page.
Speaker 5:
[65:53] We'll have to bring Kalashaw.
Speaker 2:
[65:54] Okay.
Speaker 5:
[65:55] Maury, I miss you man and I do want to just reiterate that it was a transcendent moment of my life when we once again destroyed Nick Cannon.
Speaker 1:
[66:04] You're such a suck up.
Speaker 2:
[66:05] No, I won't.
Speaker 3:
[66:07] By the way, I got the greatest comments from people.
Speaker 5:
[66:10] Sorry, I have mentors.
Speaker 3:
[66:12] You know what the greatest comment was that I saw underneath the podcast, you know when they put comments? You know what the greatest comment I wear it as an honor?
Speaker 2:
[66:21] Was it?
Speaker 3:
[66:22] One comment was, he's welcome at the cookout.
Speaker 1:
[66:26] Oh, really? Maury, that leads me to my next question. So you famously got the hood pass, is that correct? You met with the Council of Elders.
Speaker 3:
[66:40] There are people that call me white chocolate.
Speaker 1:
[66:44] Pablo, we got to go finish this. This is the best day of my life.
Speaker 5:
[66:50] I cannot be happier that you're living or make a wish dream today.
Speaker 2:
[66:54] Well, I am dying.
Speaker 1:
[66:55] That is true. I meant to tell you. Who told you that I'm dying? The Mossad?
Speaker 2:
[67:02] They know everything.
Speaker 5:
[67:03] All right.
Speaker 1:
[67:04] Bye, pal.
Speaker 5:
[67:05] Thanks, Pablo.
Speaker 3:
[67:06] Bye. Love you, bye.
Speaker 1:
[67:07] Wait, I really want to get into you and your show. Because that era of media, like I said, your parents are at work, you're sick. You can watch TV all day.
Speaker 3:
[67:17] By the way, did you ever have to fake it?
Speaker 1:
[67:22] Usually, a lady never tells, right?
Speaker 3:
[67:26] No, but this is why, because I ask people that because, oh, I stayed home, I pretended I was sick. I said, how did you convince your parents that you were sick? They said, they took the thermometer and held it up to a light bulb.
Speaker 1:
[67:40] Oh, yeah. Or like under, you put a coin in your mouth, like a penny in your mouth, and it'll get hot. I don't, no, I mean, I would fake, yeah, not wanting to go to school, school sucks. TV is awesome. Teachers give too much homework. We all know this.
Speaker 3:
[67:57] I was terrible in school, just terrible.
Speaker 1:
[68:00] You got into Penn.
Speaker 3:
[68:01] It was back in the days anybody could get in anywhere.
Speaker 1:
[68:04] Really?
Speaker 3:
[68:04] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[68:05] Really?
Speaker 3:
[68:05] In 1957? Come on.
Speaker 1:
[68:07] Really?
Speaker 3:
[68:08] Yeah. I mean, Jesus.
Speaker 1:
[68:09] You know, Caleb was a Harvard.
Speaker 3:
[68:11] I didn't get into Yale though. That's where I wanted to go.
Speaker 1:
[68:13] Well, they didn't let us, right?
Speaker 3:
[68:15] My brother was at Yale.
Speaker 1:
[68:17] Oh, he was the first Jew?
Speaker 3:
[68:18] No, he was not.
Speaker 1:
[68:19] Yeah. I heard that. I was. Yeah. Yeah. Your brother was in skull caps and bones. I'm trying to think of the Jewish skull and bones. Skull caps and, come on.
Speaker 3:
[68:32] He was in a fraternity called St. Elmo.
Speaker 1:
[68:36] Skull caps and bones. Skull and bones. Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[68:42] What goes on there? Can we call?
Speaker 3:
[68:44] I have no idea.
Speaker 1:
[68:45] Let's call Proffer.
Speaker 3:
[68:46] George won't give it up.
Speaker 1:
[68:47] I heard what it is is that it's just lame. They're just like doing debates like from people from history. They're doing like Lincoln and Douglas.
Speaker 3:
[68:54] Don't care.
Speaker 1:
[68:55] Yeah. Anyway.
Speaker 3:
[68:57] So you're there as a kid.
Speaker 1:
[68:59] So I'm there as a kid.
Speaker 3:
[69:00] Price is Right, Jerry.
Speaker 1:
[69:02] Price is Right is the beginning of the-
Speaker 3:
[69:05] How about Ricky Lake?
Speaker 1:
[69:07] I think Jenny Jones was later in the day.
Speaker 3:
[69:10] Jenny Jones changed everything.
Speaker 1:
[69:11] She changed everything.
Speaker 3:
[69:13] Because of the murder.
Speaker 1:
[69:14] We'll get there. This was an area of media that was so thrilling, because I was TV generation. I think television is now it's all streaming and stuff.
Speaker 3:
[69:28] Your generation is passé, and my generation is passé-passé.
Speaker 1:
[69:32] Yeah. At this point, when people talk about millennials and when Bill Maher talks about millennials in his act, I think he thinks they're 19 years old. We're 45 years old now. We're elders. But I was raised on television, and there's something about you and Jerry that I just loved. Which was that there were just these, for me, obviously, I got to stop talking about it, but there are these Jewish guys that were just controlling this chaos. And it was so fun.
Speaker 3:
[70:06] We weren't controlling.
Speaker 1:
[70:08] You were, no, you were hosting a show.
Speaker 3:
[70:10] Yeah, yeah, that's true. But we're not controlling.
Speaker 1:
[70:12] I wasn't saying you were creating the chaos. You were-
Speaker 3:
[70:16] No, but they were, I mean, there were a lot of non-Jews, okay? I mean, you had Geraldo. You had Phil Donahue.
Speaker 1:
[70:22] He's Jewish. Geraldo is Jewish.
Speaker 3:
[70:23] Half Jewish. Phil Donahue, Phil Donahue, Oprah, Jenny Jones.
Speaker 1:
[70:30] Oprah is Jewish.
Speaker 3:
[70:31] No, she's not.
Speaker 2:
[70:32] Yes, she is. Who do you think the meat is?
Speaker 3:
[70:35] She is not. I mean, come on.
Speaker 1:
[70:38] But there was something about it where, like I-
Speaker 3:
[70:43] Montel, Sally Jessie.
Speaker 1:
[70:45] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[70:46] There were two Jews.
Speaker 1:
[70:47] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[70:47] Me and Jerry.
Speaker 3:
[70:49] That was it.
Speaker 1:
[70:49] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[70:50] Out of 20.
Speaker 1:
[70:51] Montel was a stage name. You think John Lebowitz is- John Stewart was John Lebowitz. Montel Jordan was-
Speaker 3:
[70:59] I love John Stewart. Do you?
Speaker 1:
[71:00] Montel Jordan was-
Speaker 3:
[71:02] Do you like John Stewart?
Speaker 1:
[71:04] Yeah. I mean, that was the same era. I would watch- when I was in high school, when I hated the Iraq War and stuff, I would see comedians on television that were making jokes about it. I remember when Colbert did the correspondence dinner, when your boy's approvals, his numbers were rough. It was right at the end.
Speaker 3:
[71:26] Guess what?
Speaker 1:
[71:26] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[71:27] He went.
Speaker 1:
[71:28] He went.
Speaker 3:
[71:29] He went every year and he took the skewing.
Speaker 1:
[71:36] Yeah. If you remember, actually, Trump decided to run the night that Obama was roasting.
Speaker 3:
[71:44] You believe that?
Speaker 1:
[71:45] That's what they say.
Speaker 3:
[71:46] I know.
Speaker 1:
[71:47] What do I believe?
Speaker 3:
[71:48] I don't know.
Speaker 2:
[71:49] No?
Speaker 1:
[71:49] What's the truth? Tell us the truth.
Speaker 3:
[71:51] I don't know the truth.
Speaker 2:
[71:52] You know all the secrets.
Speaker 3:
[71:53] No, but I've seen that written, that that's when Trump said, I'm going to get back at this guy. I'm going to run.
Speaker 2:
[71:59] I mean, anyway.
Speaker 1:
[72:00] So what I'm saying is-
Speaker 3:
[72:02] It was the golden age of daytime talk.
Speaker 2:
[72:04] All right.
Speaker 1:
[72:05] There was something-
Speaker 3:
[72:05] We had 20 shows on the air.
Speaker 1:
[72:08] Right. There was something that was so funny for me, as like a schmucky kid, right? There was something like so humorous about the chaos of all of it. But I suppose when did you realize- What was your first hit for the show? Did the show start off differently? Because-
Speaker 3:
[72:32] Show started off just like every other-
Speaker 1:
[72:34] Like Donahue.
Speaker 3:
[72:35] Tamed talk show.
Speaker 1:
[72:36] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[72:37] I would do, for instance, I went to do a week in Waco, Texas for the Branch Davidians and things that were happening down there. Yeah. FBI went and killed everybody. Yeah. So then I did a week in Nashville for country music. I mean, we did secret crushes. Yeah. Boyfriend, girlfriend, secret crushes.
Speaker 1:
[73:00] Well, that's how we did the Jenny Jones. That was the murder, right? It was a guy that said he had a crush on his friend.
Speaker 3:
[73:07] Right. So then, seven, eight years in, Ricky Lake got very popular. So Ricky Lake was a little edgy because she had a lot of young people on, they were talking about stuff. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, my producer comes up with these three themes. Paternity, lie detector tests, out of control teenager.
Speaker 1:
[73:33] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[73:34] And that just shot me to the moon.
Speaker 1:
[73:36] Yeah. The boot camps. Yeah. And the scared straight things.
Speaker 3:
[73:40] Right.
Speaker 1:
[73:41] It was funny when the kids-
Speaker 3:
[73:42] Ever tell you about the Larry David thing? Did I ever tell you that?
Speaker 1:
[73:45] That's one of my favorite episodes of Curb, the car salesman episode.
Speaker 3:
[73:49] No.
Speaker 1:
[73:50] Where he's watching your show.
Speaker 3:
[73:53] Right. Right.
Speaker 2:
[73:53] Yeah. You don't know me? Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[73:55] You don't know me.
Speaker 2:
[73:55] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[73:56] When he calls me up, right? He says, this is Larry David. Hung up on him. I said, that's a prank. Calls back up. He says, I need a clip of your show for the first episode of the series we're doing.
Speaker 1:
[74:11] It's such a good episode too.
Speaker 3:
[74:13] And so he's in a hotel room. Cheryl Hines, his wife, is now there looking for houses. He's lying in bed. He won't get out of bed.
Speaker 1:
[74:21] Well, he doesn't have a job at the time too.
Speaker 3:
[74:24] We're going to look at houses. And he's watching my show on here.
Speaker 1:
[74:28] Yeah. And you don't know me.
Speaker 3:
[74:29] And the teenagers are coming down and the audience are booing him. And they're going, you don't know me. You don't know me. You don't know me. And so Cheryl Hines says, you got to get out of bed. You got to get out of bed. And he goes, you don't know me. You don't know me.
Speaker 1:
[74:44] You saw the audience wake up. Is that kind of like a, was that a phenomenon that you would notice?
Speaker 3:
[74:50] When you start getting boos and yays from an audience, from a live audience, and you're not encouraging it, you've got a winner.
Speaker 1:
[75:00] So and you were like the moral center of the show. When someone was hurt, famously people would, after a paternity test, they would run off. Did you ever have a camera guy just get fucked, like just eat shit? Because those people were running and the camera guy was just, I imagine that guy is a...
Speaker 3:
[75:22] He's great.
Speaker 1:
[75:23] Did you get him from war zone journalism?
Speaker 3:
[75:27] They were great. The camera people were great. And I would comfort the guest because she found out that he wasn't the father when he thought he was the father.
Speaker 1:
[75:37] Did you want to be partying with the guys sometimes? And you're like, Oh, God, I got to be with this lady, this crying lady, because this guy is doing back flips, he's breakdancing. That guy is...
Speaker 3:
[75:49] I'm telling you, we had guys who could be gymnasts in the Olympics.
Speaker 1:
[75:53] Oh, my God, you had so many back flips on that show. Springer was, of course, more about fights. How many fights did you guys have on the show?
Speaker 3:
[76:04] Not much.
Speaker 1:
[76:04] Not much.
Speaker 3:
[76:05] But here's... Jerry, look, I knew... Jerry and I started the same year in 1991. So Jerry and I were friends forever.
Speaker 1:
[76:13] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[76:14] And he gave me the best compliment anybody could give me, because everybody was talking about his show and my show, and he said, here's the difference. Maury's show is the real deal. My show is wrestling.
Speaker 1:
[76:26] Yeah. Which means that a lot of it was scripted, maybe. Yeah. Did you ever find out someone was on the show that was a fake or a fraud?
Speaker 3:
[76:37] Never got that far.
Speaker 1:
[76:39] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[76:42] They might have gotten to the event, and we found out that this is all bullshit.
Speaker 1:
[76:48] Yeah. I remember there was a paternity test where it was twins.
Speaker 3:
[76:53] Yes.
Speaker 1:
[76:54] And the guy was the father of one of them.
Speaker 3:
[76:56] But not the other.
Speaker 1:
[76:57] That's real.
Speaker 3:
[76:59] Fraternal twins.
Speaker 1:
[77:01] It's two different.
Speaker 3:
[77:02] There's identical twins, which means you look alike.
Speaker 1:
[77:07] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[77:07] All right. Fraternal twins.
Speaker 1:
[77:09] Yeah, but it's the same dad, right?
Speaker 3:
[77:11] For the most part, there's a million to one shot that it might not be.
Speaker 1:
[77:15] Medically. Wow.
Speaker 3:
[77:16] Because if the lady is a little active at a certain period of the month.
Speaker 1:
[77:22] Wow. Wow. I had no idea.
Speaker 3:
[77:27] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[77:27] Yeah. Were there moments where, I guess, like the Jenny Jones things happened?
Speaker 3:
[77:33] Changed everything.
Speaker 1:
[77:33] Okay. What did that change? So another talk show host, just for the audience, you could explain.
Speaker 3:
[77:38] Jenny Jones had these people on, and one guy surprised him because he was gay, and he wanted to be with this other guy.
Speaker 1:
[77:50] So I have a crush on you, secret crush.
Speaker 3:
[77:52] So embarrassing that after the show later on, I don't know how many days later, one guy was killed by the other guy. That changed the whole outlook for how we did shows.
Speaker 1:
[78:07] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[78:07] We had legal teams now, we had psychologists, we had counselors at the show every day to make sure that everybody was treated well. We had to end up with a legal six pages of this will happen, this will happen, this might happen, this might happen, you will not be surprised, this could possibly, whatever.
Speaker 1:
[78:33] Waivers, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:
[78:35] And they had to sign it, so they were never surprised by something like that.
Speaker 1:
[78:39] Content wise, did it shift the content? No. It was just there were more protections.
Speaker 3:
[78:44] Right.
Speaker 1:
[78:45] Yeah. Was there ever a time where like a producer pitched you on something and you were like, this is taking it too far or like?
Speaker 3:
[78:53] First of all, I never liked to do shows on race.
Speaker 1:
[78:56] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[78:57] Geraldo got in a very big problem one time when he did a big racial show and a huge fight broke out and he broke his nose during the melee.
Speaker 1:
[79:07] Jerry had a KKK guy on and Jerry took it to him.
Speaker 3:
[79:11] I didn't like that. I didn't like, you know, something, here's the thing, Adam, when I grew up. There were three things you never talked about publicly. Three things. I, I grew up in a house where there's a certain amount of gentility. You didn't talk religion. That was personal.
Speaker 1:
[79:30] Did you, when did your parents tell you you were Jewish?
Speaker 3:
[79:34] Probably at, probably at my brisk.
Speaker 1:
[79:38] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[79:42] You didn't talk about, you, you know, I never talked publicly about religion. Don't talk about my politics.
Speaker 1:
[79:49] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[79:50] And I don't talk about money.
Speaker 1:
[79:52] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[79:53] And we grew up that way. That's how we grew up. Yeah. Not now.
Speaker 1:
[79:57] Right.
Speaker 3:
[79:57] Everything is on the table now.
Speaker 1:
[80:00] Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[80:01] I mean, my generation is just passe. I mean, we're bygones.
Speaker 1:
[80:07] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[80:07] Terrible, a different era. I mean, I grew up, you know, Franklin Roosevelt was president of the United States.
Speaker 1:
[80:14] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[80:15] First time I ever saw my mother cry was at his, was when I was six years old when he died.
Speaker 2:
[80:20] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[80:21] So you, you, that was your, it was the war too.
Speaker 2:
[80:24] Right.
Speaker 1:
[80:24] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[80:25] And you were six.
Speaker 3:
[80:25] I gave bond speeches at the age of four.
Speaker 1:
[80:28] Wow. Wait, for like to raise war bonds? Yeah. How did you, how did you?
Speaker 3:
[80:33] We need ships. We need guns. We need planes.
Speaker 1:
[80:36] Really?
Speaker 3:
[80:36] Yeah. Why?
Speaker 1:
[80:37] Because you were cute or something? I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[80:40] There's a eight millimeter film of me doing that.
Speaker 1:
[80:43] You've been, you were, let's just go back again and we'll get back to the talk show. You've met every president, you said, or been in the Oval Office for every president?
Speaker 3:
[80:55] I've been in the Oval Office, not Trump. I've been in his office.
Speaker 1:
[80:58] Okay. I hear it's great. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[81:00] The worst.
Speaker 1:
[81:01] Well, I don't know. You haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 3:
[81:03] I've looked at pictures of the gold. I saw the gold.
Speaker 1:
[81:05] Yeah, but the pictures might not do it justice. No.
Speaker 3:
[81:09] The pictures, you're right. It's probably worse.
Speaker 1:
[81:13] I don't know. I'm not.
Speaker 3:
[81:14] I mean, I don't like to talk about him as a president, but I can tell you right now, that gold in that Oval Office just drives me nuts.
Speaker 1:
[81:23] Yeah. I mean, he's from Queens, right?
Speaker 3:
[81:27] Yeah. Well, it was gold in the Trump Town.
Speaker 1:
[81:29] It's a real estate. Mar-a-Lago.
Speaker 3:
[81:31] You ever been to Mar-a-Lago?
Speaker 1:
[81:33] I mean, on the record, yes. No, I've never been. Have you? No. What is it? A place? It's his house where people go have dinner with him?
Speaker 3:
[81:43] It's a club.
Speaker 1:
[81:44] It's a club, but he lives there.
Speaker 3:
[81:46] He lives there.
Speaker 1:
[81:46] And no one else does.
Speaker 3:
[81:49] I think there are some other houses on the property.
Speaker 1:
[81:51] It's kind of cool to have like your house and then everyone wants to come chill with you. And they have to pay to come chill with you.
Speaker 3:
[81:58] Then he took the Rose Garden and made that like a patio.
Speaker 1:
[82:04] Really?
Speaker 3:
[82:05] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[82:06] I mean.
Speaker 3:
[82:07] Cement patio.
Speaker 1:
[82:09] Listen.
Speaker 3:
[82:09] That Rose Garden was so pretty.
Speaker 1:
[82:11] It's a real estate schyster from from Jamaica Estates, Queens. What do you expect? It's shame on us, I think, if anything. But going back to it, like, what presidents, like, so you met Nixon, you met Ford, you met Carter?
Speaker 3:
[82:33] I don't know. Did I? Yeah, I met Nixon and I met Ford.
Speaker 2:
[82:36] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[82:38] Carter. I met Carter, believe it or not. I was doing a local talk show.
Speaker 1:
[82:41] Paternity test.
Speaker 3:
[82:42] No. The day that he was going to announce her president, he came on my local show.
Speaker 1:
[82:48] Really?
Speaker 2:
[82:49] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[82:50] He's a very nice man, from what I understand.
Speaker 3:
[82:52] He was okay.
Speaker 2:
[82:52] Yeah. Who made the biggest impression on you?
Speaker 3:
[82:57] Besides George, who is a friend.
Speaker 1:
[82:59] George is a friend, but I mean, just seeing them.
Speaker 3:
[83:02] Well, you know that feeling that you got right now talking to Tony?
Speaker 2:
[83:08] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[83:10] So I'm covering Kennedy for the first time.
Speaker 1:
[83:12] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[83:13] I got that feeling.
Speaker 2:
[83:13] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[83:15] It felt like your generation. It felt like a younger guy.
Speaker 3:
[83:18] Oh my God.
Speaker 2:
[83:18] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[83:18] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[83:19] I mean, I mean, think about it. I had, I had Roosevelt, I had Truman, and I had Eisenhower.
Speaker 1:
[83:29] Ike, yeah.
Speaker 3:
[83:30] These are old guys.
Speaker 2:
[83:32] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[83:33] Yeah. Now, a 42-year-old or three-year-old. Are you kidding me? I'm 24 or five.
Speaker 2:
[83:39] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[83:40] I mean, how does a journalist that feels a certain way about their subject? Like, you come from a different era, right? Now, now, there's a wall. There was a wall.
Speaker 3:
[83:51] There's a wall.
Speaker 1:
[83:52] Obviously, Walter Cronkite had his own opinions.
Speaker 3:
[83:54] Sure.
Speaker 1:
[83:55] But it wasn't presented like.
Speaker 3:
[83:56] No. The reason why the Vietnam War was a loser was when he, all of a sudden, for the first time, does this huge five-minute exploration of how we're losing the war. He would never, ever have done that before.
Speaker 1:
[84:12] Yeah. One of the problems, I think, with the digital era is there's a blurring of lines. You remember when there were three networks, right?
Speaker 3:
[84:22] Sure. That was it.
Speaker 1:
[84:23] There were three like.
Speaker 3:
[84:24] ABC, NBC, CBS.
Speaker 1:
[84:25] There were three primetime anchors.
Speaker 3:
[84:27] That's it.
Speaker 1:
[84:30] Nowadays, people get their news from some guy in the library.
Speaker 3:
[84:34] They might get the news from you.
Speaker 1:
[84:36] Yeah. And I try, I genuinely, this is on a sincere note, I try not to present myself from a position of authority when it comes to things that I'm not.
Speaker 3:
[84:46] On my podcast this week.
Speaker 2:
[84:48] Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[84:48] My podcast this week, On Par with Maury Povich. Thank you very much. Give it up. Give it up.
Speaker 2:
[84:53] All right.
Speaker 3:
[84:54] So Joy Reed is my guest tonight.
Speaker 2:
[84:56] All right.
Speaker 3:
[84:58] And I challenged her a little bit about, are you a journalist or aren't you a journalist? She says, she describes herself. And I think that's legit. She calls herself an opinion journalist.
Speaker 1:
[85:11] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[85:12] Is that okay?
Speaker 1:
[85:15] An opinionist.
Speaker 2:
[85:17] Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[85:18] But but she calls herself a journalist because she thinks her opinion is based on fact.
Speaker 1:
[85:22] But everything is opinion, right? Like these days.
Speaker 3:
[85:25] And these days, definitely.
Speaker 1:
[85:27] Yeah. Do you think, do you consider this to be bad for society? Or do you think that journalism being democratized is a good thing?
Speaker 3:
[85:44] My problem is there is a truth, right?
Speaker 1:
[85:49] Right.
Speaker 3:
[85:50] And I think it's all getting blurred. I think there's a lot of fog around the truth, and it's very difficult to find it.
Speaker 1:
[85:57] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[85:58] That's my problem.
Speaker 1:
[86:00] Yeah. Did you ever encounter Sy Hirsch?
Speaker 3:
[86:04] Yes.
Speaker 1:
[86:04] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[86:05] Used to come on my talk show in Washington.
Speaker 1:
[86:07] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[86:09] Now, Sy Hirsch.
Speaker 1:
[86:10] I just read his memoir. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[86:12] Boy, he broke a lot of stories.
Speaker 1:
[86:14] Yeah. Yeah. But he-
Speaker 3:
[86:16] Eli was the best problem, but most important.
Speaker 1:
[86:19] Incredible. And The Post had to stand up alongside the New York Times.
Speaker 3:
[86:26] Right.
Speaker 1:
[86:27] You know, against- they went to the Supreme Court, is that right?
Speaker 3:
[86:31] The Supreme Court.
Speaker 1:
[86:32] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[86:32] Pentagon Papers.
Speaker 1:
[86:33] The Pentagon Papers. Yeah. Ellsberg.
Speaker 3:
[86:36] I interviewed him too.
Speaker 1:
[86:38] Daniel Ellsberg. Yeah. Is he still alive? I don't know.
Speaker 3:
[86:41] You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:
[86:43] This is like two Jews having a sandwich.
Speaker 4:
[86:45] I think maybe, I think he died.
Speaker 1:
[86:47] Is he still with us?
Speaker 3:
[86:47] I think he died recently.
Speaker 1:
[86:49] I think he did die recently. Yeah. Wait, so going back, I read Sy Hirsch's book and it just, the budgets, like your father's sports division, right, was just shut down if I'm not-
Speaker 3:
[87:05] Correct.
Speaker 1:
[87:05] If I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3:
[87:06] He'd be very upset.
Speaker 1:
[87:08] The budgets that-
Speaker 2:
[87:10] It's terrible. News had-
Speaker 3:
[87:11] Not only the sports page was shut down, the metro section, the local news section was closed down. Can you imagine that?
Speaker 1:
[87:20] Is that not being a thing anymore? Is us not getting our news in a controlled-
Speaker 3:
[87:25] That's the problem.
Speaker 1:
[87:25] Way anymore.
Speaker 3:
[87:26] First of all, why would any newspaper have a sports section if we're inundated 24 hours with all the results?
Speaker 2:
[87:36] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[87:36] And all the various-
Speaker 1:
[87:37] It is stupid.
Speaker 3:
[87:38] Outlets and things like that where you can get it instantly.
Speaker 2:
[87:43] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[87:44] When you were a kid getting ready for school, it must be different because your dad was the head of the sports page.
Speaker 3:
[87:49] Right.
Speaker 1:
[87:49] But did you have your serial and then open up the sports page like you're an adult?
Speaker 3:
[87:56] Every single day.
Speaker 1:
[87:56] I used to do that too.
Speaker 3:
[87:58] When my father died, there were more comments from people who said, we learned to read with your father's column.
Speaker 1:
[88:05] Yeah. I think I had batting averages memorized.
Speaker 3:
[88:08] Sure.
Speaker 1:
[88:08] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[88:10] I remember one time, so my father. One time, I'm a kid and he's in the dugout interviewing the Hall of Fame managers, Casey Stengel of the New York Yankees.
Speaker 1:
[88:23] Yes.
Speaker 3:
[88:23] Casey Stengel used to meander all over the place. He used to use dangling participles, misplaced modifiers. You never knew what was going to come out of his mouth.
Speaker 1:
[88:32] He was a lot of work.
Speaker 3:
[88:32] So I'm there. My father is interviewing him. The next day, the 800 word column was in quote, 800 words later, out quote, oh boy.
Speaker 1:
[88:43] Who we got?
Speaker 2:
[88:44] Who we got? Pam, Spam.
Speaker 3:
[88:45] Thank you.
Speaker 1:
[88:46] Let's just pick it up.
Speaker 3:
[88:48] No, we're not doing that.
Speaker 2:
[88:49] Why not?
Speaker 3:
[88:50] No, I'm in the middle of a story.
Speaker 1:
[88:52] No, but I'll say shame on you. Hello?
Speaker 3:
[88:57] Hello.
Speaker 1:
[89:01] Yes, we would like to sign up. Okay.
Speaker 3:
[89:05] So anyway, the column the next morning, 800 words, starts, finish, nothing but Casey Stengel talking.
Speaker 1:
[89:12] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[89:14] I said to him, I said, Dad, I sat next to you while you interviewed Casey Stengel. He didn't say half of that. He didn't say half of the things that you printed. He says, he should have.
Speaker 1:
[89:31] So you're going to get a fire.
Speaker 3:
[89:32] Dramatic license. Some of you get dramatic license. When you want to have fun, you can have fun.
Speaker 1:
[89:36] Yeah. So making a transition from hard news to talk shows. Yeah. Like what was there? Did you ever miss it?
Speaker 3:
[89:48] I missed covering the events.
Speaker 1:
[89:50] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[89:52] I mean, even-
Speaker 1:
[89:52] The president has been shot.
Speaker 3:
[89:55] Yeah. I would have-
Speaker 1:
[89:56] You covered Kennedy's assassination?
Speaker 3:
[89:58] I covered. I was at Andrews Air Force Base when that plane came home, and I was there when Jackie Kennedy came off that plane with the blood on her pink dress, on her pink suit, and the coffin coming out the back.
Speaker 2:
[90:11] Wow.
Speaker 3:
[90:12] Now, I mean, even when I was doing a current affair, this crazy show, I'm there at the fall of the Berlin Wall. In other words, I went places and things. That was great. Since the talk show, I haven't covered any of this stuff, and yeah, I missed the event.
Speaker 2:
[90:32] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[90:33] It would have been nice to cover January 6th.
Speaker 3:
[90:37] It would have been great, would have been great.
Speaker 2:
[90:39] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[90:40] I would have loved that.
Speaker 2:
[90:42] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[90:42] It is kind of the craziest thing I've ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker 3:
[90:46] Yeah. Probably your generation. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[90:50] I don't think they're my generation.
Speaker 3:
[90:51] I was working in San Francisco.
Speaker 1:
[90:53] That's my Omaha Beach, I think.
Speaker 3:
[90:54] Yeah. January 6th.
Speaker 1:
[90:56] Yeah. That's Washington crossing the Delaware.
Speaker 3:
[91:00] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[91:03] That's what we got.
Speaker 3:
[91:03] That's my Berlin Wall.
Speaker 1:
[91:07] Yeah. So yeah, I guess like, but the interesting thing about you is your wife, Connie Chung, was doing that throughout.
Speaker 3:
[91:16] Doing it all.
Speaker 1:
[91:17] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[91:18] Doing it all.
Speaker 1:
[91:18] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[91:19] And breaking barriers.
Speaker 2:
[91:20] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[91:21] And so, you know.
Speaker 1:
[91:26] What is it like to be with a woman that's just so much more impressive and beautiful? Can I ask that question again?
Speaker 2:
[91:33] I thought it was going to be a laugh.
Speaker 3:
[91:34] No.
Speaker 1:
[91:35] I thought we were going to be busting bulls. What's it like to be with such an impressive, incredible person?
Speaker 4:
[91:41] I love it.
Speaker 3:
[91:42] How would it be if, you know, you were attached?
Speaker 1:
[91:47] They're all our better halves. Mine is better.
Speaker 4:
[91:51] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[91:52] I mean.
Speaker 1:
[91:52] You want to talk to her? Should we call her?
Speaker 3:
[91:54] No, we're not talking to her.
Speaker 2:
[91:55] Okay.
Speaker 3:
[91:57] We're not talking to her.
Speaker 1:
[91:58] So, yeah, you guys, yeah. You've talked to my, to mine enough?
Speaker 3:
[92:05] You want me to talk to your girlfriend?
Speaker 2:
[92:07] Did he say he talked to mine enough?
Speaker 1:
[92:10] Oh, I thought you were doing a joke like I talked to her enough. Yeah. Like, that would have been good.
Speaker 2:
[92:15] You want to run that again? Can we call my girlfriend?
Speaker 3:
[92:17] Yeah. I'd like to call your girlfriend.
Speaker 1:
[92:20] No, no, no, no, no, no. You're supposed to say, no, I talked to her enough. Maury. Okay, we'll do it a third time.
Speaker 3:
[92:27] Okay.
Speaker 1:
[92:28] For the top.
Speaker 3:
[92:28] Okay.
Speaker 1:
[92:29] Let's get an edit point. What, you know, there are better halves. Yeah. These women, let me run that again. Okay, fourth, take four. Can we call my girlfriend?
Speaker 3:
[92:45] No, I talked to her enough.
Speaker 1:
[92:53] Wait, are you? Oh boy. What are you saying?
Speaker 3:
[92:59] Is your girlfriend, What are you saying? Are your girlfriend much younger than you?
Speaker 1:
[93:02] Are me? Are mine?
Speaker 3:
[93:04] Is your girlfriend much younger than you?
Speaker 1:
[93:06] Yeah, she's, she's, You're 39, what is she? She's 14 and a half. It's called grooming. No, yeah, she's, she's, she's 29, yeah.
Speaker 3:
[93:19] Do you like that difference? Do you like the decade difference?
Speaker 1:
[93:21] Not an aspect of the preference. I don't think I've ever, when we first started dating, dated someone, I think most of my girlfriends were two years younger. I think maturity wise, she, I'm the young, yeah, I'm the baby.
Speaker 3:
[93:37] I'm just seeing you.
Speaker 1:
[93:38] I'm the baby. I'm a baby, yeah. I hurt myself all the time just walking in my apartment. And she said, she says, I have no sympathy for you.
Speaker 3:
[93:49] I hope that she's a neat freak because I saw your backstage. Thomas. I saw your backstage life.
Speaker 1:
[93:58] I know it's an embarrassment right now.
Speaker 3:
[94:01] I mean, is she a neat freak? Because she better be.
Speaker 1:
[94:03] She has filled my life with beautiful, with flowers.
Speaker 2:
[94:07] We'll say that.
Speaker 1:
[94:08] She's, our apartment is stunning. She's lovely. I have no say in.
Speaker 3:
[94:13] Is she in the business?
Speaker 1:
[94:15] No, she's a designer, like architectural design.
Speaker 3:
[94:19] She's an architectural designer.
Speaker 1:
[94:20] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[94:21] That's serious.
Speaker 1:
[94:21] She's getting her master's.
Speaker 3:
[94:23] If she was a fashion designer, I would say, forget that.
Speaker 1:
[94:26] Why?
Speaker 3:
[94:27] Architecture is really good.
Speaker 1:
[94:29] Why forget a fashion designer?
Speaker 3:
[94:30] Because it won't work with you. Look at you.
Speaker 1:
[94:34] I look pretty good. You have a six decade career in something.
Speaker 3:
[94:40] Isn't that terrible?
Speaker 1:
[94:41] That's amazing.
Speaker 3:
[94:43] Yeah, but maybe it goes. My father worked 75 years. He died the day after he wrote his last article.
Speaker 1:
[94:48] How the fuck old was he when he died? He wrote his last article about what?
Speaker 3:
[94:53] You know what he wrote it about? It's amazing.
Speaker 1:
[94:55] About a bowl of hard candy.
Speaker 3:
[94:57] No. He wrote it about all of a sudden, he was questioning Mark Maguire and Sammy Sosa hitting all these home runs.
Speaker 1:
[95:03] Then they killed him. They killed him.
Speaker 3:
[95:08] Then the next day, because he was trying to tell them, Ruth is the ultimate slugger, not these two. He was suspicious. He didn't know about steroids, but he was suspicious.
Speaker 1:
[95:19] He was just naturally suspicious, wow.
Speaker 3:
[95:23] Because he couldn't understand how they were hitting all these three home run games. So he said, especially since McGuire was saying he was taking nutrition shakes to do it. So he died the next day quietly.
Speaker 1:
[95:39] So he filed that in the post.
Speaker 3:
[95:41] His obit and his last column rent side by side, front page of the Washington Post.
Speaker 2:
[95:46] So he's 96?
Speaker 1:
[95:48] 92.
Speaker 3:
[95:49] He started at 17.
Speaker 1:
[95:51] He started at 17 in the newspaper.
Speaker 3:
[95:52] He was a caddy in Bar Harbor, Maine.
Speaker 1:
[95:55] Oh, I thought I would have assumed like a X-Tree, X-Tree read all about it, like one of those kids.
Speaker 3:
[95:59] No, Newsboys?
Speaker 1:
[96:00] Yeah, no, he wasn't like that. What do you see as having changed in news and media? Where do you see it? Like as someone that can document it over so many areas.
Speaker 3:
[96:12] The definition of news no longer exists in my mind.
Speaker 1:
[96:16] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[96:17] It just doesn't exist.
Speaker 1:
[96:18] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[96:19] Every single column that I, if you picked up a newspaper, every single story you read, you believed.
Speaker 1:
[96:29] Yeah. You think even in the Times, you think that's been undermined?
Speaker 3:
[96:34] I think it's been undermined because placement of stories, how big they were and the headlines.
Speaker 1:
[96:42] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[96:43] I think that if it's not opinion, analysis has seeped into the coverage of news.
Speaker 1:
[96:54] In the UK, they have the BBC, right? Which is publicly funded but independent, right?
Speaker 3:
[97:01] Which we thought NPR might be.
Speaker 1:
[97:04] Yeah. Well, that's gone.
Speaker 3:
[97:04] We thought Voice of America might be, which is gone. Which we thought PBS was.
Speaker 1:
[97:12] Yeah. Do you think that if we had a robust publicly funded news agency, that their incentive wasn't profit-driven, their incentive was just to fulfill a congressional order? Right. Or do you think that that would be preferable? Like if we had one source that was-
Speaker 3:
[97:33] If they could absolutely determine that it was independent of government, yes.
Speaker 1:
[97:38] Yeah. I can't think of any other way to do it.
Speaker 3:
[97:42] No. I mean, you can't. Yeah. I mean, I think maybe the best kind of journalism today is non-profit journalism.
Speaker 1:
[97:56] Yeah. Well, one day, we're going to get into the black here and then I'm going to sell out. But right now, the problem is-
Speaker 3:
[98:06] You're in the red with a half a million YouTube viewers?
Speaker 1:
[98:10] I owe a lot of money around town, Maury.
Speaker 3:
[98:12] I don't think so.
Speaker 1:
[98:13] I do, and I wanted to talk to Kornheiser about an opportunity for him.
Speaker 3:
[98:20] No.
Speaker 1:
[98:22] What is the craziest name you heard of a guest on Maury?
Speaker 3:
[98:29] You ever heard of Josh Johnson?
Speaker 1:
[98:31] Oh, the comic, yeah.
Speaker 3:
[98:33] Josh used- another reason why I'm unhonored. Josh used me in a bit one time. He said that the black community owes me a thank you.
Speaker 1:
[98:44] Wow. How does that feel?
Speaker 3:
[98:46] Because Maury Povich has never mispronounced the black name. Is that true? It's true. Because I always-
Speaker 1:
[98:55] You had some tough ones on the show.
Speaker 3:
[98:56] Oh, huge.
Speaker 1:
[98:57] Lapiphany we wrote down. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 3:
[98:59] Josh would say, I can't believe it. I see the baby's name on that- there's a two in that baby's name. And the next thing you know, full chest, Maury says, in the case of baby Twain. So I'm honored that Josh did that for me.
Speaker 1:
[99:16] That has to feel amazing.
Speaker 3:
[99:17] Yeah. You like him? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:
[99:20] He's one of the Daily Show correspondents. Yeah, he's a funny guy.
Speaker 3:
[99:23] Do you know what is, it's very interesting about his comedy because I've watched him. He can go two minutes and not get a laugh building a story.
Speaker 1:
[99:33] Wow.
Speaker 3:
[99:34] Yet, I was with Mark Norman the other day.
Speaker 1:
[99:37] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[99:38] He needs it every 15 seconds.
Speaker 1:
[99:39] Oh, yeah. He's a machine. He's like Rodney.
Speaker 3:
[99:42] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[99:42] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[99:45] How about you?
Speaker 1:
[99:48] Guys, you want to tell them? Five minutes before a laugh.
Speaker 3:
[99:51] Five minutes before a laugh?
Speaker 1:
[99:53] That's even more impressive than Josh at the two.
Speaker 3:
[99:56] If you can do that. And people didn't walk out.
Speaker 1:
[99:58] I can go 45 minutes without a single laugh.
Speaker 3:
[100:03] And you call yourself a comic. Why aren't you just, I mean, you could be Mark Twain by then.
Speaker 2:
[100:10] Mark Twain was funny.
Speaker 1:
[100:12] Was the original comic.
Speaker 3:
[100:13] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[100:14] That's what honestly, I totally, he's on the show next week.
Speaker 3:
[100:18] He made a lot more money than.
Speaker 1:
[100:21] Mark Twain was broke.
Speaker 3:
[100:24] He was broke because of his investments. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[100:26] He was terrible.
Speaker 3:
[100:27] Not because of his, he made a lot of money on stage. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Somebody's texting me.
Speaker 1:
[100:34] Well, I think it's been a phenomenal.
Speaker 3:
[100:36] Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 2:
[100:37] Hi.
Speaker 1:
[100:38] Let's hear it.
Speaker 3:
[100:40] I ordered your stuff for your colonoscopy.
Speaker 2:
[100:49] My best friend, my best friend.