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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Dude, the more we watch, the worse it gets. And remember, no one knows this is happening as we're watching everything happen. It is awful. It just worse, week in and week out, West is more of a dickhead than I imagined.

Speaker 2:
[00:18] Yeah, there's not a whole lot more to say about it. It's just, it's so tough. And it's funny too, because Andy keeps saying pretty much every episode, look with one eye open, you got to keep an eye out for all the things that are going on. And he said that about the Kyle Cook episode, and you know, after watching it, like, all right, we've definitely seen Kyle do worse. This one kind of lived up to that hype. But honestly, I don't even fault Andy, because he could say that for every episode till the end of the season.

Speaker 1:
[00:42] Also, let me clarify, Amanda is turning out to be a bigger and bigger asshole each week as well. It's not just West.

Speaker 3:
[00:48] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[00:49] But this is very West-centric, because Amanda couldn't even show up this weekend. She's just going through it apparently.

Speaker 1:
[00:54] Oh, I have theories. Oh, do I have theories.

Speaker 3:
[00:58] As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be-

Speaker 1:
[01:01] Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock.

Speaker 4:
[01:02] And so that'll make it a f***ing-

Speaker 1:
[01:08] I don't need the spotlight.

Speaker 5:
[01:09] I shine just fine.

Speaker 6:
[01:11] Hi, I'm Karma.

Speaker 7:
[01:13] And yes, I am a bitch.

Speaker 1:
[01:15] BravBros. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of BravBros, your favorite podcast from the bros for everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the sleuth himself, Sherlock Goots. What's up, dude?

Speaker 2:
[01:32] Yeah. We didn't really have to put our investigation hats on this week. It's all just there.

Speaker 1:
[01:38] You could have closed your eyes and you still fallen into something.

Speaker 2:
[01:41] I think I would have preferred to close my eyes. I think I would have preferred to not see this at all. This was just brutal. I mean, this was absolutely brutal. On the heels of him acting like an absolute jackass, him being West, this is the follow up, which hindsight is a bitch, karma is a bitch, but also we know what the fuck's going on here. This episode was just so clear as day to see what's going on and what he's doing in response to it.

Speaker 1:
[02:12] It's upsetting. It's upsetting to watch what's transpiring because Ciara has been Ciara since she's come on this show, since she's made her tenure on TV, like this is who she is. She's a good person. She has walls up for great reason apparently, but she's like a solid individual. She's always been a good, nice person at her core. We are led to believe that Amanda and West are both good people. Little did we know that they're huge assholes. Before we get into everything, you guys know we do our little update, what's been going on. We had our first speak out from West. He went on his stupid podcast, which is going to get listens now because nobody knew he had a podcast. Now everyone's going to listen to his stupid podcast. Please don't give him your patronage, please. Like he doesn't deserve to get more listeners for it being a huge piece of shit. He inevitably will because that's how the stupid world works, but whatever. He is trying to do the hurt puppy dog thing. I knew this was going to be the route where it's like, we didn't expect this, this, that. Like I'm worried about Amanda more than anything. And he had the balls to say, and this is the funniest shit because he's been able to get away with this nice guy schtick for so long, because he's able to throw on the charm and people fall for it. But your problem is you're a liar and other people aren't scared of you to check you. So KJ, who is fucking awesome, by the way, KJ in response to West saying, I reached out, I texted KJ, I texted so-and-so. KJ goes on Twitter or something or threads and goes, still waiting on that text message. I'm going to stop commenting though, so I don't get accused of cyberbullying because that's the route that West and Amanda are taking is, oh, please leave us alone. You're being so mean to us. KJ is quite arguably the nicest person on Bravo, like collectively. If KJ is clapping back at you, you really need to look in the mirror because you have seriously fucked up your life.

Speaker 2:
[04:20] Yeah. He said a couple of weeks ago, West said a couple of weeks ago, Amanda said it, whatever. They were reaching out. Yes, they had texted the people involved. I'm imagining when they said that at first, they were thinking like Kyle, Lindsay, Carl, Ciara. I mean, Mia said, I'll watch what happens live. Ciara, I'm sure she got a bunch of text messages that she hasn't responded to. Ciara is the only one who really hasn't spoken out yet. Lindsay is in all the comments and obviously KJ is now in all the comments. Dara, Sabrina, everybody else has spoken out. I imagine when he said, I texted everybody involved, he didn't also text KJ, which is fine, and obviously it's fine that KJ can take fucking shots. But I don't know. It's crazy and it's exactly what you expect. I mean, going on your podcast and talking about it like, yeah, I'm doing better, I've done better and I'm just really going through it. My biggest concern is everybody online talking about the timeline, the timeline, the timeline. It started late February and that's what we're sticking to. That's what they're going to stick to, which just, it doesn't track. And I'm going to ignore Summer House, what we're watching right now. I'm going to say just the rest of the facts, like just the rest of everything else going on, because now we have a timeline of other events that have happened. You were in February, Valentine's Day, on a date with a girl. St. Patty's Day, you were out there hooking up with a girl. There's a girl online that's saying that you guys were almost exclusive or exclusive, whatever you want to read into there. But you're saying that you and Amanda got serious at the end of February. Things got a little too serious at the end of February and had to be addressed, which they wouldn't have been addressed if it didn't come out, of course. But now what you're saying, which just confirms everything, is that at the end of February, things got serious, which means it started before the end of February. Before the end of February, you were also still dating other girls. And mid-March, you were still dating other girls. So things got serious with Amanda, but you were still dating other girls. So what is serious for you? That's what I really want to know, is what is serious? And I think there's been other indications that things were going on. Jesse was on Watch Bravens Live last night. Everybody had their inklings. Everybody had their theories about what was going on. Jesse said February, but you're going to have to subtract a month from that. I think that most people were probably on to them hanging out more and more. As we saw the snow day, which we remember, it's very fresh in our minds, it was in January. Steel was in California. Steel didn't even know that there was snow over here. We were all buried in snow. West and Amanda were snuggling up. Steel was in California. So it's really Steel's fault, is what I'm getting at. If he was still here on the East Coast, he probably could have stopped it. He's sort of a man of bad relationships. But yeah, again, the timeline is not timelineing. And if you're gonna do this, and the PR is so fucking bad, because I know what they're doing with the PR, look at the Yankees game. They're openly making out and it was uncomfortable. I thought that like, yeah, we were talking about it for so long that it was gonna be not that crazy when you see the two of them together, it's still gonna be a little crazy. Watching them make out on the Yes Network was uncomfortable. It was wild to watch all of that happen. I didn't expect me to feel that exact type of way, but you're openly making out, she's sitting down the whole game, she's trying to get you to sit down. You guys are not good. Just fucking end it, just literally end it. Don't do this whole bullshit. They absolutely should and they absolutely have to. I think they absolutely fucking have to because this is awful and it's just gonna end up awful for Amanda again and then what? We're supposed to have a pity party for Amanda because he's gonna leave you for another girl, he's gonna go to a different city because by the way, this is Bravo. He can go to a different city and there's still gonna be girls throwing themselves at him because he's West and he's on Bravo. None of that's gonna fucking matter. He's still gonna be able to move on. That's what dudes do on Bravo all the time. Amanda's gonna get left in the dust again except this time you have no friends because you burned all those bridges by going along with West. So the whole situation is just gonna end up messy. This PR is some of the worst PR I've ever seen. Like act like you guys are in a good relationship and just stand as a united front. Like, hey, we didn't expect all these feelings, but we've got feelings for each other. Don't do that because we're watching in real time. West is talking to Ciara who he had real feelings for and we'll get more into this in this episode, but he burned her too. And there was way more between Ciara and West than there was between Amanda and West. And also, Jesse last night talking on Watch Rapunzel Live, like yeah, I was a little upset, but it's now a lot more upsetting because he was upset that I was gonna try to make a move on a girl that he dated for three weeks, two years ago. And here he is with our friend's ex-wife less than a couple months later. So you make those comparisons. It's just, it's an absolute dumpster fire. I wish, and I actually had the thought that maybe I should go into like reality TV PR because I would have told them right away.

Speaker 1:
[09:02] You'd be better than we've seen for sure. I agree with everything you said. I don't see a way forward in any way, shape or form. What I don't want to see any more of is people going to bat for West and Amanda because it's such an easy thing to like lay out the cop out of, well don't bully them like cyber bullying, this and that. Okay, fine. I agree. Nobody should be bullied relentlessly to the point that they're having a mental breakdown. But at the same time, if you are an asshole and you do asshole things, you're gonna hear about it. And so all of these middle-aged hyphenated white women in the comments are like, Amanda's a person too. Shut up for a while. Just shut up. We're still fresh on this thing. We're watching in real time how disrespectful West is being. We're watching in real time him completely disregard everything Mia, KJ and Ciara said to him about being black on reality TV. That is such a big factor in this whole thing that's getting glossed over as we get further into this. But West is deliberately ignoring all of that for his own well-being, for his own selfish reasons. So there's no world in which that you're gonna put this up and say, you know, love happens. Weird shit happens sometimes. You can't control it. It's like you need to control it when it's laid out on a platter like this of why it's such a horrible idea. There's so many factors as to why they should have been adults and walked away from this thing. There is nothing you can say to me that will defend them being together. There's just too much. It's too layered. It's too disrespectful. It's taking people's feelings and literally just wiping your ass with them and saying, I don't actually give a fuck. But, when I'm on camera, I'm going to play like the nice guy and make you feel for me what I want you to think I feel for you. But at the same time, I'm sitting here having this very emotional conversation, finally getting coffee with Ciara. He's opening up and having this dialogue with her that she's been holding in for years. Meanwhile, you're trying to fuck Amanda. What?

Speaker 2:
[11:15] No.

Speaker 1:
[11:16] There is nothing you can say to me that I'm going to be like, we'll lighten up. No, we're not there. We're not there yet.

Speaker 2:
[11:23] No. And look, if you want to play devil's advocate and say, what if we found out later that they had hooked up in February and all of this thing was going on, it would be a lot less for sure. I think that the fact that now you're trying to roam the narrative that you guys just found love in a very weird place. It's the weirdest possible place that you could have found it. But continuing it is crazy. To go back to Rhode Island, the ongoing is the ongoing. Let's talk about the ongoings. Nobody wants anything that has to do with an ongoing relationship with the two of them. I just don't understand why they're carrying it out when you know it's got a fucking time limit. Look, if you want to be in it just to prove a point, you guys want to end up getting engaged and married, go for it. Just don't do it on reality TV. You guys have lost that spot.

Speaker 1:
[12:10] They need to. That's where I'm at with it. If I get where you're coming from, any sensible person would be like, oh yeah, end it now. End it immediately and walk away. Especially Amanda. Look at the track record. Look at when you guys were apparently serious and what he was doing. For your own well-being, fucking run. But for the both of them, this is a terrible idea. There's no way in hell this goes the distance unless you force it to prove a point, like you said. Which would arguably be the funniest outcome for me, is if they're like, we have to take this to distance and they're both just fucking miserable, but they're stuck together to prove a point. That's kind of ideal in this world we're now living in.

Speaker 2:
[12:55] Yeah, honestly. And look, it's only going to get worse. The question that I have is, they definitely pushed off the reunion a little bit further to try to get all their ducks in a row. They even said in this episode, like it's the second to last weekend. You only have probably three episodes left. You're not really leaving yourself a whole lot of room here to get that reunion edited in time. But if anybody can do it, it's the Bravo producers, it's the Bravo editing room. We know that they're editing these episodes in real time. One thing I will address before we even get into the episode, you watched it live last night, right?

Speaker 1:
[13:29] The fucking technical difficulties.

Speaker 2:
[13:32] Yeah. What happened there? Because I watched Peacock this morning and it was completely fine. But I saw the TikTok last night saying there were technical difficulties in the first conversation between West and Ciara that just blacked out and then popped over. It was scenes from the next commercial break where you've got Amanda and West, which I think arguably is fucking hilarious. But for everybody who didn't get to see that and then didn't watch Peacock this morning, we'll get into that conversation, the little bits and pieces towards the end of West-Ciara conversation that you missed, because I'm sure you probably went back and re-watched just to make sure you didn't miss anything.

Speaker 1:
[14:05] Yeah. It's not a lot. It's more the same sentiment.

Speaker 2:
[14:08] But the timing was very funny.

Speaker 1:
[14:11] Very suspect. It's like, wait a minute, what's going on here? I was nervous the second combo is going to be like that. I'm like, all right, this is collusion. God damn it. I can't trust anybody. But yeah, let's dive in. We start out with Amanda, West and Ciara, or sorry, Amanda, Ciara and Mia. And this stuff, I guess the little things now that are really, really getting under my skin, where it's like, obviously Ciara's reeling from West being an asshole with that random chick. And I can't stand Amanda's little one-offs. Like, West is so stupid. I'm like, are you saying because of Ciara or because of yourself? Like, I don't know who you're speaking for right now. This episode makes it pretty clear to me that she's speaking from her own perspective.

Speaker 2:
[14:56] Yeah, but like even if she isn't, even if she's speaking for Ciara, it makes what she does a few months later even worse. So now you saw in real time what West can do to somebody that he claims to have loved, that he still has a ton of feelings for. And you're taking, it looks for face value, you're taking Ciara's side and saying, wow, I can't believe that West did that. Like, why would he do that to you? And then you still carried on with your own emotional- Well, he would never do that to me. Like, would you like to go and bear with him later? Like, what the fuck? Now, yeah, I'm way more in the camp of your side, where I think, and we're starting to see that too, and Kyle even says in this episode, like, I've got a real problem, because I finally feel like myself, and Amanda's not here. I think Amanda probably feels that sort of way in probably a much different scenario. But yeah, I mean, she's probably sitting there like, hey, this marriage is over, and looking at all the other guys who are being nice to her and flirting with her, and I bet you West, probably in the, I guess, the course of the summer, was flirting a little bit and being a nice guy to her, and she's like, wow, I could be with somebody like West. I don't have, which is fucking hilarious, by the way, because West is the younger version of Kyle. But I could be with somebody like West, and he's showing me all this attention that Kyle wasn't really showing me. Wow, maybe I should do something like that. So she probably is having that sort of emotional and physical affair in her own brain, even if it's not actually happening right there.

Speaker 1:
[16:17] Yeah, but ludicrous. I mean, just outrageous to even have those thoughts. Like, she's literally sitting there, and I do believe she's speaking from her own experience, not talking about Ciara. I think she's saying that he's such a fucking idiot. Why would he do this to me, Amanda? Yep. But this goes back to just the weird logic that comes along with Fuck Boys. We watched it in Southern Hospitality recently with Jordan and Justin. You get these people that they're like, I'll be the one to change them. He wouldn't do that to me. Based on what? Based on everything we've seen, he's definitely going to do that to you because he has a track record. He's got patterns. Well, one very, very shining bright spot in this season has been Mia. I think that she is one of the realest, most authentic and nicest people that we've had on reality TV in a very long time. She's talking about, because we're in the next morning, they obviously went to Kyle's set at Common Ground, but not a whole lot happens. You just get the videos, which is still like, I'm looking into everything. It's like seeing Amanda front and center, bopping around while Kyle's doing his DJ thing. I'm like, you're fucking full of shit. Everything you do is fake. But it gets to Mia waking up in the morning and she's having these recurring dreams about her parents. This is important because a lot of her storyline has been, she's kind of stuck and I think that we do, at least we all I think have seen why it seems like the Scott thing is kind of a sticking point, but it looks like it kind of took this episode for her to get there, which is kind of interesting to watch. But her big sentiment is, my mom wanted me to live, like she wants me to enjoy and live my life, and I'm not doing that right now. And I feel stuck. And I think that these dreams are a reminder from my mom to say, like, hey, let's get moving lady, like, what are we doing?

Speaker 2:
[18:10] Yeah, yeah, they absolutely are. And again, Mia actually kind of breaks the fourth wall in this episode, one of her confessionals. She's like, hey, I know you guys didn't sign up for this. I love that. You didn't sign up for this kind of conversation. We've actually had that conversation before. We're like, yeah, sometimes we don't really need to be privy to those things. Not talking about what Mia is talking about. Like Mia is talking about something that is very raw, very real and some actual emotions that she's going through, which is what we want. We actually want to know where your psyche is. We want to know how you're feeling about certain things. So she is wrong about that. We do want to know those things, but I love that she has that kind of wherewithal, that sort of self-awareness, like, hey, I know that I'm getting a little deep right now, but I'm going through it, and what am I supposed to do? I'm going to a confessional, I'm living my life like, the timing doesn't work out great because this is my first season and I just want to have fun, but I'm going through a lot of things, so I'm going to share it with you guys. Like, that is actually what we want, especially from people that we like, like Mia. You know, sometimes we got people that we absolutely don't like, and you get somebody like West, for example, who's going to be introspective in a confessional, and we're like, fuck you, you're full of shit. That's not going to happen with you, Mia. Don't worry about that. We actually appreciate what you're going through here, and sharing that story is great, because there's nothing you can do. It's an organic storyline. Like you're actually going through this right now. We get to meet Scott for the first time this next weekend. So we're really kind of piecing everything together for what you're going through and trying to understand where you are in your life right now. So sharing as much as possible, even if it's dreams that you have going on right now with your parents, that's great. We want to know that.

Speaker 1:
[19:36] Yeah, and obviously we saw Scott at that one party, but you're right, this is the first time you really can kind of get a feel for their dynamic, how he fits into our life or I would say doesn't fit into our life is becoming a little bit more apparent, but I agree. I think that we enjoy diving deeper with people we care about. So like if you have authenticity, then we want to listen to you in a confessional talk about your feelings. If you are inauthentic like West, we don't care because you're blowing smoke up our ass and we don't appreciate that. I don't like smoking my butt. I don't know how you feel, but anyway.

Speaker 2:
[20:09] It's not the worst.

Speaker 1:
[20:12] Boof and a sig. Hell yeah, brother. Boof and a hookah.

Speaker 2:
[20:19] Good God.

Speaker 1:
[20:21] Anyway, Carl and Bailey, I will always point out are just so fucking cute because it's such like, what's the word? It's so innocent. The flirting is so innocent. It's like I'm a great fly killer. It's a great quality in a man. I'm like, you guys are great. Keep this up.

Speaker 2:
[20:37] You guys are absolutely perfect for each other. I don't need to see anymore. Just get married, please. Courthouse marriage is perfect.

Speaker 1:
[20:43] Show us the show it. We need to see it. That date will live forever in my head.

Speaker 2:
[20:48] Courthouse marriage and the courthouse marriage with the only witness being Lindsay. Perfect.

Speaker 1:
[20:52] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[20:53] I have no notes on that.

Speaker 1:
[20:55] No, Lindsay officiates.

Speaker 8:
[20:57] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[20:58] There we go. But he would probably, I wonder if he would ask Kyle to officiate instead of being the flower boy. Probably. Lindsay is the witness. Lindsay is the flower girl. Now we're figuring this whole circle. But do that. Just do that and have a whole episode dedicated to it.

Speaker 1:
[21:15] Please. We would love that. Put in their first sheet while you're at it.

Speaker 2:
[21:19] We still haven't seen the first.

Speaker 1:
[21:19] That's what I'm saying. I need that footage. You guys robbed us.

Speaker 2:
[21:25] So I got an email today from Peacock and it said, unlock your exclusive Bravo. It has nothing to do with us having a podcast. It's just because I watch so much Bravo and Peacock. So I'm like an exclusive fan or whatever. It said that you can insert comments. I signed up for it in the first comment, show me Bailey and Carl's date right now. I need a full thing on that.

Speaker 1:
[21:46] Hell yeah, all right, we're getting into the good stuff. All right, cool. Cause I've just been doing what we usually do and tagging random people in emails like at Peacock. Producer at peacock.com. I have yet to get a response, so I'll keep you posted. But Dara has worked herself into this group in a very good way as well. I told you early on, I was skeptical of Dara. She has 100% grown on me. I think she's a great addition to this cast. And I think it's hard for new people in this group to work their way into the group. Dara has done it exceptionally well because she was outgoing but not over the top. She seemed genuine. She's had some tough convos that could have really went south. Her entire standing in the house could have been fucked by that Bailey conversation at Lindsay's. But it didn't go that way. That's actually the moment I was like, okay, she seems like a genuine person. I ride with Dara. That's cool. Her and KJ are obviously getting more serious. We know they're still together now. It's also been really refreshing in a house where we've seen so much toxicity and bad relationships and all of that, to watch a good relationship blossom. But seeing the conversations that are necessary in those relationships, acknowledging that it's fast, but having the real heart to hearts to make sure they're both on the same page, listening to other people, talking to your friends about it, and taking what they're saying into consideration to make yours. This is a very mature relationship. Seems like a nice relationship. And I'm rooting for Cara and Dejay. Wow. Cara and Dejay.

Speaker 2:
[23:30] I like that. I'm going to nitpick a little bit, though. I think that they're perfect. I think they're great. I think they are doing everything that you just laid out. The reactions from everybody else, when we find out that they're boyfriend or girlfriend, I don't need that.

Speaker 1:
[23:46] I agree.

Speaker 2:
[23:47] Yeah. I feel, especially Mia and I love Mia. I think you are kind of dumping your own personal shit on that.

Speaker 1:
[23:53] I think you're projecting a little bit.

Speaker 2:
[23:54] I think you're projecting a little bit. Are you sure? You're a lot younger than she is. Are you sure that you guys are aligned? Whoa. What do you mean aligned? Are you and Scott aligned? Is that what we're getting into right now? We don't have to do that. That's what it felt like. Leave them alone. It seems like they're in love. They're still together. They still love each other very much. So I'm completely fine with that. I don't need, you don't need the Peanut Gallery getting involved. If it works out, it works out great, but I don't want to see the overseers of relationship. I know you're being protective, and I know that Mia and Ciara do see themselves as his older sisters, so I understand where that's coming from, but let them live. Let them live in love. That's what I want to see.

Speaker 1:
[24:27] I agree with you. It's different than other times that we've seen that. Not in the sentiment, which I totally get where you're coming from, like let them live, but you can tell that both Mia and Ciara, like it genuinely is like, hey, we love you and want to make sure you're good. Like the big sister mentality. So that part of it like is genuine and it was nice. I totally agree with you though, where it's like, yeah, that it feels ever so slightly a little projecty.

Speaker 2:
[24:58] Yeah, it was a little bit specifically just what Mia said aligned. Make sure your interests and your goals and your futures are aligned. I'm like, you're talking to yourself. You are talking to yourself right now, not KJ. Which is okay.

Speaker 1:
[25:10] There's actually, if she needs that to work it out.

Speaker 2:
[25:12] Some people have actually slipped through the cracks and aren't talking about West and Amanda, are actually focused on KJ's comments and saying, hey man, you've got nothing to do with this. Why would you get a text message? They're not even defending West. Maybe you should stop worrying about text messages or apologies that you should be getting from West and start focusing on what Dara was doing in Ben's room for that long. I'm like, wait, we're still on this? I thought we all agreed to just move on. I thought we all agreed, who gives a fuck? They weren't dating, it doesn't matter. It's not like she cheated on them. Who gives a shit? They've moved on, we should move on. Let's not do that right now. So to see some people slip through the cracks of not just talking about Amanda and West and throwing in a little bit of Ciara and whatever, Kyle I guess might be going on. No, nobody should have any smoke left after those to go after KJ. What are we doing here?

Speaker 1:
[26:03] Yeah, not to mention West brought KJ on the show. They were very close and he's finding out in real time that his good friend's a big piece of shit. He's allowed to have an opinion. So whoever's saying that, we don't care if her men could have banged. I don't care. They weren't dating.

Speaker 2:
[26:20] My only big problem with all of this is that everybody's doing shit on threads, KJ and Kyle are having comments on threads.

Speaker 9:
[26:28] What the fuck's going on?

Speaker 2:
[26:29] Go to Twitter. Threads isn't a thing. I guess Twitter is not really a thing either.

Speaker 1:
[26:33] No, Twitter isn't either. Maybe Summer House is, maybe threads paid the cast of Summer House. Like, hey, we really need threads to do better than it's doing. Like, can you guys just take all the drama over there?

Speaker 2:
[26:44] It could be that. I wouldn't be surprised. But paid by Mel to have beef on threads. I think we have the threads. I've never once used it.

Speaker 1:
[26:53] It autoposts over there.

Speaker 2:
[26:56] Oh, does it? Okay. Yeah. That's useful to know. Didn't realize that. But, yeah, I'm not downloading that shit. I'm good on social media. I've got enough.

Speaker 1:
[27:04] Yeah, agreed, agreed. But as they're discussing, Karen and Dejay, I'm going to keep calling them that forever. This is where you're starting to see some of the editing that they went back. Because it's like there's a very specific line. Darryl's like, yeah, you know, that was so nice. They said to me, like, thanks for forging a relationship and not making it everyone else's problem. I'm like, thank you, producing, for putting that back in. That would be much.

Speaker 2:
[27:29] See, I appreciate that even more than just the production value of talking about Amanda and West. Also, we talked about it before. I mean, there were certain seasons of Summer House that are just purely unwatched. Maybe they're a little bit more watchable now, but they were unwatchable at the time because of exactly that. To see a cast, which also sucks because Amanda and West did this and ruined everything, to see a cast finally come together and say, thank you for having, not that it's in her house because there is not even in the house yet, but she probably will be moving forward.

Speaker 1:
[27:58] I think she will be.

Speaker 2:
[27:59] To see them have that awareness as a cast like, hey, we've had a lot of messy relationships, ruined the flow of the house. Thanks for not doing that. I appreciate that. It was almost talking directly to me.

Speaker 1:
[28:12] Yeah. That's where my head went immediately, actually, which is kind of funny. I was like, Shooter's probably loving this moment right now.

Speaker 2:
[28:19] I really appreciate it. Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[28:21] That's the funny part of watching Bravo when you have a Bravo podcast with your best friend is like, I'm constantly watching, also thinking of your perspective on everything, you and them. I'm like, you, me, what are we getting into?

Speaker 2:
[28:35] For you, all I really think about is did Steel cry. The answer is, if I even ask the question, usually, yes.

Speaker 1:
[28:42] Yeah, I know. I used to never cry. Now I'm a big puddle. Thanks.

Speaker 2:
[28:46] Are we about to get to a scene in which you cried? Because there's a scene in this episode where you probably cried.

Speaker 1:
[28:53] We'll not confirm nor deny until we get there. But anyway, Dara, Mia, Ciara, and KJ briefly are sitting in their room talking about West and the remainder of the evening and he proceeded to get blackout drunk. And there was like all he could talk about was you. Like everything he said was was Ciara centric and we get a great confession from Ciara where she's like, she really opened up this episode and I really appreciated that. And I don't know if production went back and put some of this stuff in, I would imagine it was in there originally. But she's talking about like, I wish I could go and just dive headfirst into this thing. Like I don't hate the guy, but I'm scared to put myself out there. I fucking breaks my heart watching these now. She literally says, I don't want to put myself out there and get bamboozled again. It's like, God damn it. But you know what I do love? I love the fact that Dara, who was also brought in by West goes, I agree. Fuck. Yeah. He needs to tighten it up. I was like, hell yeah. Hell yeah.

Speaker 2:
[29:51] I really appreciate his interjection on that. But the one thing and I'm still trying my hardest to just watch this for the season it is and not think about current events. I would have loved it if they in this moment and at the end of the episode. Because I think it's going to be a real problem moving forward to the end of the season, which is going to be very uncomfortable with us. Define boundaries. Do that, please. For the love of God, Ciara, protect yourself. That's all I was thinking in this moment when she's talking about it in her confessional. I know when you say you want to dive head first, my first instinct is to what? What do you want to dive head first into? You need to figure that out because it's going to be a problem. It looks like scenes from next week and probably till the end of the season, that is going to be a problem for the rest of the house. They're like, what's going on? You guys weren't cool, you weren't cool. Is this one of those situations where you guys had a huge hiccup that forced you to talk, which is probably good. Again, I got to wonder what we'd be watching if we didn't know what was going on currently, if we would still feel the same way. But you got to figure out what does that mean? Are you guys diving head first into friendship or diving head first into seeing if something works out because there's still some unresolved feelings there. Mostly, I just want Ciara to protect herself if I'm watching it again, trying to go back in time to watch it in real time versus what I'm watching right now.

Speaker 1:
[31:10] Yeah. I think that's fair. I think how I look at it is a little different because there's a lot of discussion on socials, on podcasts, whatever, about that exact thing, like defining what she misses, defining what she wants to get back into. To me, it's implied. I think that we know what the friendship would potentially lead to, and I think that it's an easy cop out for West in confessionals to be like, well, she didn't defy. I don't know. Yeah, you do. I think we all do. We know the trajectory it would probably take. Is it 100 percent confirmed? No. I agree with you. It would do Ciara a lot of favors to be able to define those boundaries just to protect herself a bit more. But at the same time, I think it's naïve and ignorant for us to sit here and go, but we don't really know where they were. Yeah, we do. It was going to get back to probably a romantic place. I think that it's easy now in hindsight for West to be like, well, she never let, what, do you want to be friends? You want to date me? Yeah, you fucking know. Dude, you fucking know.

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Speaker 1:
[38:13] So, yeah, that's kind of where I see it. Let's get to Brekkie, little breakfast with everybody. And you know, I love Kyle fishing for compliments. He's like, I want my best. And I guess he fucked up some transitions from song to song. I looked at him and every time I was like, oops, which is kind of funny.

Speaker 2:
[38:30] Yeah, that is pretty funny. I mean, like kudos to him. He was able to go to a whole long ass day party that they had. And was it it was the Vegas party, right? I always get confused when they overlap. I think, oh, yeah, the Jesse throw. He was able to sit in an all day party and then still go to common grounds, which probably, you know, based on what we know earlier in the season, didn't start till 11 p.m. So if he didn't make any mistakes, he might be the best DJ ever. If he made a couple of mistakes, nobody ever really notices. Everybody's drunk for those crowds anyway.

Speaker 1:
[38:58] Yeah, exactly. So you're probably good, dude, but we get our first convo with West and Ciara. And he immediately goes, I apologize for being a shitty friend. I don't feel good at all. I'm personally bummed. I feel like on a friendship level, things were okay. I hope I didn't fuck up whatever was built.

Speaker 6:
[39:20] Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1:
[39:21] Ciara's response breaks my heart again because we know where we end up after all of this. And she goes, this is why I didn't want to be friends to begin with. I want you to live your life and do whatever. It's best if we're just not friends. So she does in this moment try. I didn't have a lot of faith in it, but she tried to draw a boundary. There's just too much there. And you know, I think West manipulates the situation clearly not because he cared about Ciara. He doesn't like when people don't like him. So that's why we get the second conversation later because he needs her to be okay with him, not for their future, but because he doesn't like that feeling. So he's being selfish in that as well.

Speaker 2:
[40:05] I would love clarification on what he was talking about when he was hammered at the club, because we do find out later that he was like blackout, he was belligerent, he was all over the place, he had to be helped around. And all he was doing was talking about Ciara. In what context was he talking about Ciara? Was it a continuance of what bullshit he was spewing during the day? Which that was his frustration boiling over. I don't have an opinion on it one way or another. His frustration boiled over and he essentially pushed the issue, he was drunk, said, fuck it, I don't care, I need to live my life. That is where he wants to be. He doesn't really care if he gets back with Ciara, he wants freedom again. So he wanted to push the boundaries to see what happens. Everybody freaked out at him. We saw what he really feels in that moment. He says, what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to just not show up? Am I supposed to do this? We saw two seasons ago, he was not going, he was going to someone else's house so we could hook up with people and then come back the next morning because he was afraid of doing it in the summer house. He says, I spent two seasons doing that where I don't really know what's going on. This apology is just, oh fuck, I tried to push the boundaries, I tried to tell people how I really feel. They reacted so negatively, I can't let that happen, I need to protect my image. So let me go hat in hand, go to Ciara, apologize, say that I feel shitty about it. I don't even think he feels shitty about it.

Speaker 1:
[41:23] I don't either. That's the worst part.

Speaker 2:
[41:24] He doesn't feel shitty for what he did to Ciara. He feels shitty because people reacted so negatively to him living his life, quote unquote, living his life. Again, you could have done it a little more discreetly. If he went elsewhere and he was leading Ciara on once again with all the feelings, but in his brain, maybe he wasn't. If you tried to be a little discreet, if you tried to do what Jessie did the weekend prior and going upstairs to the bedroom, going into the bathroom, maybe get a little smoochier in there and then coming back down and somebody found out and told Ciara, you could be like, what the fuck? I tried to be discreet about it. Why are you guys ratting on me? That would have been incredibly fine. I would have been fine with that, but instead you did it right next door. And then when people wigged out, you came over and you're like, oh, I'm really sorry. I feel really shitty. You feel shitty because people are upset at you once again for doing that. That's the only reason you feel shitty. You tried, you failed miserably, you crashed and burned, and now you want to try to get back to even ground.

Speaker 1:
[42:19] Yep, exactly. Like it's not rocket science, it's selfish, and it's disrespectful again to Ciara who's opened up again to you. Like she shouldn't have, and you know, that's a Ciara thing, but at the same time, like there's clearly more between these two, or Ciara has more feelings for him than she's had. This is not Austin and their little fling, right? Like it's not the dudes that she's been with in the past. This had a lot more weight, and clearly affected her a lot more. So West took advantage of that, because he knew he could. He knew he could weasel his way back in there and get her to be okay with them. And if you need proof of that, if you're like really not buying into it, I don't know why you wouldn't be, he was going to her apartment two weeks before the news dropped. Why? Because he didn't tell her what was going on. She had inklings already in that moment, by the way. She had been thinking the same thing since February.

Speaker 2:
[43:44] He said, Ciara and I had some indication that this was going on. That was in February. If that early March or late March rather, was when he was talking to Ciara, was he going over to her apartment to tell her, hey, there's nothing going on with me and Amanda?

Speaker 1:
[44:02] Probably.

Speaker 2:
[44:03] I'm sure that's exactly what happened. We'll find out at the reunion. It's just killing me to get to... We have to go through hell to get to this reunion. Even then, it's not going to be enough. We're going to need long, long episodes and they're just going to have to dig into everything. Even then, we won't know anything because they're probably still lying about shit. So I have no faith that the timeline is going to get disrupted. I'm sure people are going to go off and get all their feelings out. Aside from that, we're not going to get any more confirmation.

Speaker 1:
[44:30] Agreed, which is frustrating. But I am curious to see how they try to do the reunion. It's going to be chaos. But moving on, we get Ciara, Mia and Nick. Nick is Mia's brother and they're obviously very close. He lives like three blocks away. She's trying to convince him to move into her building with his girlfriend. Fingies crossed, we'll see what happens. But with everything going on with these recurring dreams, Ciara asked if she wanted to talk to a medium. I guess Ciara went to a medium down in Costa Rica after her grandmother passed away. And Mia agrees. She's like, I've got a bunch of unresolved issues. And we're going to have a good convo about medium here in a sec.

Speaker 2:
[45:11] But I have no interest in talking about my feelings on mediums.

Speaker 1:
[45:15] No, we're going to do it. And that's why, that's exactly why we're going to do it.

Speaker 2:
[45:18] Well, I don't want to take away from how Mia feels.

Speaker 1:
[45:20] So I'm not going to talk about my opinion. I don't either. But that's where I get curious about things. But before we get in there with the medium, I'm going to tell you what's so curiously curiousing me. But anyway, we find out what happened to her mom. She got pneumonia, but she also had an autoimmune disease that amplified everything. And unfortunately, she passed away from complications. It was very sudden. And there's a lot of unresolved feelings that Mia has. So she goes to talk to this medium and the medium makes contact with her grandmother originally. And then it seems like she's talking to her mom and she says a lot of very personal things, you know, like you need to know I'm okay. I keep coming to you in your dreams. I don't know if you have a snippet of that or you're going to see in your dreams soon. She's talking about like that she can breathe and she feels great. Everything. It's a nice scene. And it gives like the most important takeaway always when we do mediums on these shows. For me is what the person going through it takes away from it. That's the important thing. This seemed like closure for Mia. It seemed like she got the answer that she wanted. And if you look at what was said, like, yeah, it's very specific. So maybe, like in my head, you know, obviously I go out, did Ciara tell her that Mia was dreaming about her parents? Like, did she use that? I don't know. And like you said, out of respect for Mia, like we're not going to dive deep into it if the medium was legit or not. Because at the end of the day, Mia got what she needed. It was a nice scene. She seems to get some closure. Nick seems to get some closure. And that's all we can ask for.

Speaker 2:
[46:54] Correct. That's all we can ask for is that Mia feels better. And I think that's what she needed, honestly. She needed a little bit more confirmation. And a lot of times, I feel like people go to mediums because they're having those situations going on. Like she's dreaming about her mom. Is my mom coming to me in my dreams? Like, let me go try to figure out through like somebody who's supernatural to try to explain some of this, to try to make some sense out of why this is going on is probably the best way to put it. And she got that. She got that clarity. She got that sort of confidence that what's going on is exactly what it is. And a lot of times that's really what you want. You just want somebody else to kind of put it into words. Give some validity to what you're going through, whether that's, you know, a psychiatrist, whether that's a medium, whatever it could be, a life coach, yeah, whatever. I knew we were going there. Whatever it might be, whatever or whoever gives you that sort of confidence that you're looking for. And then you can kind of take that to the next level. Good. Go for it. That's incredible. That's all I'm going to say about.

Speaker 1:
[47:50] Yep. That's all we need to say. You're right. So let's go to the dog adoption thing. West volunteers for this thing because he has dogs at home, but doesn't want a dog in New York, whatever. I don't care. Kyle and Amanda arrived.

Speaker 2:
[48:04] Bullshit, by the way. I know I'm nitpicking, but that's fucking bullshit. Get it. What? I've got an apartment in New York. That's not a good place for a dog. You can get an apartment dog. Like they're okay. They go look at fucking Kyle and Amanda. They walk their dogs all the time. They have shared custody of their damn dogs. Go over to LA. We got Schwartz and Katie, who still have shared custody of their dogs, and they live in small apartments. So enough of that, but whatever. Yep.

Speaker 1:
[48:28] Agreed. But, oh dude, the hug, just the fucking hug and the zoom in with the camera from Amanda and West, and they're talking, like, how is your week? And Kyle's getting everybody a drink, and that feels slimy that he's going to get them drinks while they're doing their weird shit. This conversation is 1,000 million percent Amanda talking about how she felt about West doing his shenanigans. This has nothing to do with Ciara, because when she starts off, do you remember me getting upset? I figured your next line was going to be like, oh yeah, I felt really bad for Ciara. No. What upset me the most is that you've been such a good friend to me for so long, and you defended me against Kyle. To watch you disrespect Ciara in that way puts this weird dynamic in place. The weird dynamic that she is referring to is if you're going to do that to Ciara, are you going to do that to me? Because you kind of did do that to me too. Ew, ew, ew, ew. And then the rumors that you guys are super flirty when you go out at night, I'm like, you're fucking jealous, and you're saying it on screen, you psycho.

Speaker 2:
[49:47] Yeah, this was bizarre. I mean, I don't even know how it's like. This is such a very clear cut issue. If you're just a friend of Ciara's and you're a friend of West, we've seen this conversation. You're kind of treating her friendship like shit. You're kind of treating her like shit. I need to just put you in your place, tell you how everybody feels. Amanda made it about herself, and that's wild. To even use the word I in this conversation, or we even. We, me, any of those words make no sense. This isn't about you. This has nothing to do with you. You could say, we had to go upstairs and console Ciara afterwards because of your actions. That would be fine. That would be totally fine as a friend and as somebody who's in the house. We've seen Lindsay masterfully handle this type of conversation before, and it's always, you fucked up, I'm friends with you, but right now I fucking hate you. That's where it goes. That's exactly where the conversation should go and it should always be like that. Once you start making it about yourself and you're like, now I'm wondering what's going on, what else? You're like, no, what does this have to do with you lady? This has nothing to do with you. I don't get it. The weirder fact, again, we're still putting our detective hats on. The fact that Amanda is saying all of this and West is still responding in a way of like, I got to get my head around these feelings, I'm like, no, you should be talking about Ciara. You shouldn't be talking about how it makes anybody else feel. It should just only be about Ciara. Why are you worried about how everybody else in the house feels? Again, two parts, one, Amanda, two, you're still worried about your own public image with the rest of the house. That's all you're really ever concerned about.

Speaker 1:
[51:26] Yep, exactly. I mean, that's it. The whole scene felt slimy. Kyle comes back out, hands him a beer.

Speaker 2:
[51:31] Kyle comes out with her drinks. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[51:33] And then he goes back in. I'm like, oh no, please stay. Like, break up whatever's happening here.

Speaker 2:
[51:38] He'd a chaperone for whatever's happening here.

Speaker 1:
[51:40] They're about to kiss, like on the street. I don't give a fuck. Like, oh.

Speaker 2:
[51:43] Yeah, they're probably holding hands while talking too. And they just didn't have footage of it.

Speaker 1:
[51:47] Gross, gross, gross, gross. Well, let's go back to the Hamptons. Scott makes his first debut into the Summer House. We don't really get a lot out of him. You know, I don't really have an opinion one way or the other. But in the dude's car, they got a little bit of a boo-boo last week. The whole thing, I just... Everything takes a different angle now. Because what he's talking about in the car, you know, it adds a layer to everything. And I think that's partly why KJ is probably so upset, is because of conversations like this. It's like you had the balls and the nerve to like sit down and have a heart to heart with me about certain things or like sit there and allow me to give you advice on what I think about the situation. And meanwhile, you're steamrolling everything in the house because you don't actually care. Like it's so disrespectful. And I think that's a underlying part of all of this with the friendships in the house. It's not just, I mean, it's mainly about Ciara. Do not get me wrong, like Team Ciara all the way. But the residual like trickle down effect is the complete utter disrespect for everybody in the house, your friends. Like you're just shitting on trust, on friendship, you name it. Like this whole thing, I think that's where I get heated when I'm talking about is because there's so much more to just two people that weren't supposed to fall in love, fell in love. Like that's not what happened. You guys burned down an entire house full of people so that you could get your rocks off is all I think is happening. But I just yucky, dude. I feel yucky watching the show.

Speaker 2:
[53:29] I mean, even Ben, like when you see the clip over and over and over again, Ben's first instinct is like, dude, are you fucking rookie? Like have some class. Yeah. Like act like this isn't your first time going through something like this, which, you know, I don't think a lot of people have gone through it, but Ben is new there. Ben doesn't know what the hell is going on. And he's still like, dude, what are you doing? You're going to disrupt the whole house with all of this, much like you did before. And it's going to be an absolute nightmare.

Speaker 1:
[53:53] He's a dud and he knows that.

Speaker 2:
[53:54] Think things through. Yeah, I know. At least think things through. Like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 1:
[53:59] Well, we got acknowledgement that Cara and Dejay, my two faves, are dating, officially boyfriend and girlfriend. And I think Dara actually says it the best because they're like, don't you... And this should have been the end of this conversation. I had to get them checking in with Dejay. And it's not really that big of a deal, guys. We're not like, they should have done that. It's just, in retrospect, that's all. Because Dara's like, you know, we kind of both know what we want. Feels right to full send it. I hope I don't eat my words. It's like, good enough for me. Cool, good for me. You're adults, that's fine. But we get to the house. Amanda's not there. She's not coming. Why? She's on the struggle bus a little bit. No, no. Do you know what I think it is? Me and Deb talked about it last night. I think this is payback. I think this is her giving it to West. Like, yeah, you're gonna fuck around. I'm not coming to the house this weekend.

Speaker 2:
[54:52] I think it's more like, I'm uncomfortable because I don't want to be around while you're apologizing to Ciara. When you should go apologize to Ciara. It's almost like Amanda's conflicted. She wants to be a good friend to Ciara, so she's telling West, hey, go make things right with her. But also, I don't want to be around for that because it's too emotional and I've got conflicted feelings about that because I want to help you out. But also, I can't be seen helping you out.

Speaker 1:
[55:14] That's a good one.

Speaker 2:
[55:15] And it's all under the guise of me and Kyle are falling apart. So it's almost like this situation has-

Speaker 8:
[55:21] Oh yeah, stop with that shit.

Speaker 2:
[55:23] Yeah, I know. It's almost like Amanda, this whole situation has just convinced her like, wow, I mean, I can't really make a move for West. I can't be seen comforting him unless we're dating and I can't be dating him unless Kyle and I are done. Let me accelerate this timeline. I'm not coming to the house this weekend. I'm going to let Kyle know that we are really in trouble. We need to get separated and divorce. They're already separated. Don't fuck with me. I was happy that she wasn't there because I don't want any more inky scenes with Amanda. But at the same time, when she's explaining this and when Kyle is explaining it, I'm like, no, no.

Speaker 1:
[55:57] No, because if you said this three weeks ago, four weeks is sure, Kyle is a wreck, Kyle is a mess, whatever. Not now. You guys have been good. That doesn't make any sense to me. She goes with the, I've been joyful, happy Amanda. I've had to grit and bare and put on a face all summer. I'm like, you haven't had to put on a face the last couple of weeks. You guys have been cool. And the only reason I know that is because Kyle's telling us in the confessionals, and for better or worse, Kyle tells us where you guys are at. He doesn't lie. He'll tell us flat out, yeah, really bad place right now.

Speaker 2:
[56:31] Probably not gonna make it through.

Speaker 1:
[56:32] Don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

Speaker 9:
[56:33] So when he says, things have been pretty good.

Speaker 1:
[56:35] I'm like, I bet they have. They probably have been pretty good.

Speaker 2:
[56:38] They have been pretty good. The other part is like, we heard you guys agree to couples therapy and no one has said anything about going to couples therapy. So you guys haven't gone yet. And my best guess is you're still separated and have not been together this week. And Kyle is saying, hey, we've been a lot better. Maybe you come over and stay over this week. And Amanda is just thinking about West, thinking about being single, whatever she might be thinking about. She's like, nah, I can't give in now. I'm all in on getting out of this fucking marriage, which again, good. I don't think the marriage works. I don't want that to get lost in all the sauce. You guys should not be married. I agree with that. But the conflicting feelings about what's going on with West and Ciara and you're not wanting to be there, of course we're going to ask questions about that.

Speaker 1:
[57:19] Yeah, no shit. But this is where we get the scene of KJ, Ciara and Mia talking about their relationship, their and KJ's relationship. And again, it's not that serious. You know, they're just being big sisters. It's actually very touching that they care so much for KJ and you can actually feel that through the screen. But you can't sit there and tell me, there wasn't a little projection. A little bit. Yep. But Amanda calls Ciara. Sorry, Ciara calls Amanda. Like, hey, you're really not coming this weekend. I'm in a house full of dudes. Like, where are you at? This is where you get the Kyle's been a lot this summer. I'm overwhelmed and tired of putting on a face. To which I asked, putting on a face for who? Is it getting exhausting putting on a face for Kyle? Or is it getting exhausting putting on a face for Ciara? And West, because that, especially what you said a couple of minutes ago, I bet that is exhausting, pretending that you care about Ciara, pretending that you don't want to bang West, pretending that you are trying to fix your marriage.

Speaker 2:
[58:18] I just thought about this now. What if she's trying to play both sides and thinking, ah, what if the conversation between West and Ciara goes sideways? And she says pretty much what she said to him last week, where we just need to be not friends and we just can't associate with each other. And then that causes West to go on a rampage and now he's out of the bar and he doesn't give a fuck anymore and he's flirt with other girls and hook it up with other girls. She can't be subject to that again. I just can't see it or else I'm going to have to show my ass again.

Speaker 1:
[58:46] That's a good point too. There's too many layers.

Speaker 2:
[58:50] There's a lot of things and it gets, look, I know Amanda keeps talking about her mental health and everything. I imagine that she is a bit of an overthinker. So she probably did think about all those situations that could have arisen.

Speaker 1:
[59:02] Yeah, I agree and the only thing that could make it worse is West coming into the room while they're FaceTiming. Yeah. That'd be like, hey, I don't feel better. Whole week and I'm still bummed. Good. Fuck you. Get away. Like this is what I was talking about earlier. This is him being like, I feel bad still. I don't like feeling bad. Make me feel not bad anymore. Not because I care about you. I don't like feeling bad. That's all it is.

Speaker 2:
[59:25] Number one goal from all of these, the shitty apology from the week before, this shitty apology. Number one goal, even the last apology that we see at the end of the episode is to try and hope that she agrees to not be pissed at him, to not make things weird, to just be friends, and he can move on with his life and just be free. That's all he wants. That's all he's ever wanted since day one. He has those weird things, and every time that he gets hammered, he's flirting with her. When Jesse steps in and he's like, hey, maybe Ciara and I might make out this weekend. How do you feel about that? Not good because that's still, he's got that atypical, I still want the option to be able to go back to Ciara. If I want to.

Speaker 1:
[60:03] He wants the feeling of quote unquote ownership. That's how people like that.

Speaker 2:
[60:07] And also I want to be able to do my own thing. I need to have my cake and I need to eat it too. That's exactly what I want at all times. So you can't infringe on any of that. That's his perfect world. His perfect world is being able to use Ciara as an option when he wants to, when he's feeling that way, and also have the option to go hook up with girls in Chicago when he's at St. Patty's Day parade, to go hook up with girls and take them out on Valentine's dates. Maybe some Bravo Liberty pops up and he can go out on a date with her. Sorry, Mia. But those are the types of things that pop up. Yes. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Sally's always an option. It doesn't matter where you are. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[60:40] I mean, but if you put the list together, like it tells you who this guy is. Like it's not even that hard to figure it out. It just sucks that Ciara had to catch a stray because of it. But this is when you get the setup for the more emotional scene. Because Ciara's like, I don't hate him, but it's really hard to keep up the front that I do. And she's very logical in her approach. She's like, I've built up stories in my head about who he is and what he's done. And I'm sure he's done the same. It's time. We need to sit down and talk and just put it all out there, which in normal life, yes, you're right. Like this would have been the correct move. Unfortunately, you're talking to a scumbag, so it's not going to go very well. But she's like, hey, can we get coffee tomorrow? West's like, yeah, let's do it. And before we get to that scene, the last little bit from Scott and Mia, as Mia is sitting there in bed with them, she goes to confessional and I think she's putting the pieces together. She's like, I think all of this is happening right now because I'm stagnant, because I'm stale. Mom wants me to keep moving. If I look at my life, what's the biggest hold up and it's Scott. And I don't know they're really, they could be really happy together. It just doesn't work.

Speaker 2:
[61:54] Yeah, this just strikes me as very, very unfortunate timing because I honestly, based on what we've seen, the small little glimpses that we've seen of them together and the way Mia talks about Scott, they're in love. They're perfectly in love. It's just the hold up. And look, I don't blame Scott. It sounds like he's building a fucking empire. He has new restaurants opening and when he said, and I know a lot of people are going to really key in on that, but when he said he can't wait to get back to Miami, he's in love with his career. He's in love with his job and he's in love with Mia. Both can be true. Yes, maybe he takes a step back, but it sounds like timing wise, he's involved in so much shit to set himself up later. If they find each other later, if they end up breaking up and we might find out, you know, I don't think that Mia really even got to touch on that on Watch Robin's Live last week. But if we find out that, you know, they're taking a step back from their relationship, you know, maybe they find each other later. That might be for the best. Because I do think that Scott, what he's doing right now is setting himself up for the future. And if he gets to that point where he has a lot more freedom and he has a lot more free time to have kids to do all those things that him and Mia want to do, that would be great if they still find each other back. But Mia is kind of stuck in that little situation where it's like, yeah, I love him, but I want to start these things now and he can't start those things. So I don't know for all intents and purposes, Scott strikes me as a great guy, but he is a career driven guy right now. And until that changes, this isn't really going to work.

Speaker 1:
[63:15] Yeah, I didn't see any red flags or anything. Just seems like not compatible in this current timeline.

Speaker 2:
[63:20] Although saying in a car that you're a real guys guy is not the best way to do anything.

Speaker 1:
[63:27] That's fair.

Speaker 2:
[63:28] You're going to get food. You are going to get food. And I knew what he meant right away. He said he wanted to throw around the pigskin. It was sort of a guys weekend. There were seven guys, the three girls, which I feel bad for the girls, but he's fine. I see no problem with him.

Speaker 1:
[63:43] I didn't have any issues either, but let's get to the coffee date between these two. Oh boy. And then Ciara leads it off. She's like, you know, it's been two years of nothing being said, which is true. And she's like, I'm just afraid to be myself around you. I'm afraid to be nice to you because I'm afraid to be embarrassed. And last weekend, case in point, dickhead. Like that's why, it's exactly why. You sat right next to me and you didn't even see me. And as we've heard from Ciara, her biggest issue with West is feeling unseen. And you literally, like the most literal possible way you could have made her feel unseen, you did by making out with a chick right next to her. He goes on his apology tour. He's like, you know, subjecting you to that is fucked up. And she brings up the media and the press being the nail in the coffin because it kind of confirmed her biggest fears where it's like, you're saying to everybody that you didn't feel the way that you felt about me. And that we weren't as close as we were. And she's like, that was the closest I've ever felt to anybody in my whole life. And hearing her talk about, for the first time, really, like really opening up about how she felt about that relationship, all of her thoughts and feelings that went into it, just fucking breaks your heart. And like West is even like, yeah, well, hearing you say that makes me feel very sad. It's like, what do you fucking expect, dude? Like, you guys are clearly sharing these pleasantries back and forth while you're dating. And then you fucking threw a Molotov cocktail at it on a press tour that you didn't need to do. And I bet you are going to see something similar in the months after the reunion of him trying to do damage control and saying things like he said in last week's episode, where it's like, what am I supposed to do? Like, taking that whole stance. It's like, the more we learn about the nuances of their relationship a couple of years ago, the more shitty he looks, not just now, but back then. It puts a whole different layer to this entire thing of like, wow, dude, you just don't care about other people. Like at all.

Speaker 2:
[65:44] No, and again, the fact like, this was a conversation where you as West, you can actually say how you feel and set your boundaries so that this doesn't happen again. But instead you just set it up so that you can clatter again. And that's exactly what we talked about. And I hate the fact that he, when he's talking about all of it, like Ciara's response was not ideal when he's talking about- She apologizes. I know.

Speaker 1:
[66:09] I broke my heart, but she's such a good person that she's like, I wasn't there for you when you needed me. I was like, wow, wow.

Speaker 2:
[66:17] But like just because you're not responding to his text messages doesn't mean that you go on a fucking press tour and just burn her. You shouldn't be back in this position. You shouldn't even have any ability to get back into her life after what you did to her. She's nice enough to let you back in and you're going to do the whole thing over again. And when he said, I guess as a result of all of this, like I do, I see you more. I see you now. What did you made out with the girl next to her and then felt bad about it because you got caught and people didn't like what you were doing. So now you see her again. No, you don't see her. You're just saying you see her. It's sort of like you're pressing somebody's only, like she just opened up and showed like, hey, this is my trigger. And now you're using the trigger against her to get your own thing and to use it for self purposes. So that's fucked up. So this was less than ideal of a situation. I mean, I don't know. I think both parties, for Ciara, I think you need to make it clear. There's no moving forward. There's friends and that's it. And there's no romantic connection, but I think that she has such strong feelings towards them that it's tough to do that. It's possible. And I like the conversation because obviously, yeah, things get exacerbated when there's a TV show and they've got fans and you've got all these people. I don't care that West has like, you know, every time I look at my phone, I just see people talking about me and you and like, it's not doing a little bit like, yeah, stop doing shitty stuff. Like, yeah, you've been better. Like, but you've gotten all these opportunities now. Like you have all of this shit going on at your own job at Complex. You've got all this shit going on through Bravo, through NBC, where they're sending you out to the fucking Superbowl to go do these things. Like just be happy with what's going on. We get, we have a podcast and we get shit, people commenting on us. Do we care? No. So why do you care so much? It's not that big of a fucking deal. You should be much deeper down. You should probably not be on the show anymore because Ciara is a bigger star than you are. And you should be thankful for the fact that you still get to do these things. And yet here you are still feeling bad for yourself. So it was a less than ideal conversation that led to a hug and then her making a joke. Like, what about like Jessie? Like why didn't you tell me not to do that? Like I felt so bad for this whole thing.

Speaker 1:
[68:27] I did too, bro. It was so gross to watch him. He knows what he's doing. Like you said, that trigger word of seen, like I see you. He knows if he uses that because that's all she wants. So he says, I do see you now. You don't because you had your tongue down in other chick's throat right next to her. So you didn't see her, but you know, if you're able to get that one in and it lands, she's gonna move on finally and he did and she does and like her saying, because I thought she was joking, but then the camera pans over and she's like sobbing. It's like, can we just be best friends again? I was like, oh, fuck you in the face West. Like two times, like Jesus. After this, you still did what you did after this. Like, fuck you bro. Like you have ruined or you would try to ruin. I think she's going to rise like a motherfucking phoenix from the ashes, we're gonna see an Ariana situation, which I love for her, but she didn't deserve to go through this for you. Like who the fuck are you, dude? I hate it, I hate it, I think it's slimy. I hope Ciara gets the full Ariana treatment. I hope that she is on Broadway or whatever the fuck she wants to do. I hope she's able to kill it. Host Love Island, whatever. Just like she deserves everything. This was the, not like I needed more reasons to not like West, but to do what you did after this shows me exactly who the fuck you are. Because you got this is this it's the same cycle. He got back in the good graces. He gets false confidence. He does some fuck boy shit. That's what he did last year. That's what he did this year. That's what he did multiple times this year. Because he's gotten away with it before. And now he's on camera and he's not getting away with this shit. And now we got him. We got a peg for who he actually is. So spare me the leave them alone. No, no, no, don't do this shit to other people. And then then you can't act like, you know, a hurt puppy dog when you get the backlash.

Speaker 2:
[70:41] Yep, stuff. I'm sure we've got a million questions in here. So let's start tackling these bad boys. First one up here from Tina Scow. Do you think that Amanda and West are settling by proximity? I think Amanda definitely is. I think West already knows what's going on and he's been through this before and girls are still throwing themselves at him. So I think he'll move on pretty quickly and that's gonna be very messy, but also funny and we don't really care.

Speaker 1:
[71:10] Why is Will Culp always like the second person that looks at our shit?

Speaker 2:
[71:15] I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[71:15] That's Will from Southern Hospitality, guys. He's always like the second person that I could give a shit about outing him. Let's see.

Speaker 2:
[71:26] We got a lot of comments about this, but from Leah Hall, 90, is Jesse the number one guy in the group? Watch What Happens Live appearance was fantastic. I do think that Jesse had a really good appearance. I didn't think he was going to say as much as he did, so I'm happy he did. He's not the number one guy. Carl is still the number one guy. A lot of people are like, he's not the number one guy. He's still a shitty. Most reality TV stars are shitty people. It just is what it is, especially on the guy side, but no, it's okay. You don't have to freak out about it.

Speaker 1:
[71:53] Yeah, no, it's all good.

Speaker 2:
[71:55] Yeah. Wait a minute. I love this. From Phelangela, do you think West STD is... West STD? West STD did this intentionally because he literally said he resents her. No, I actually don't think he did this intentionally. I think he's just a fuckboy and he did it again because he can get away with shit like this and he knows he can.

Speaker 1:
[72:21] Correct. Or no, he can't get away. He thinks he can get away with it.

Speaker 2:
[72:25] Yeah. He's still gonna be... Dudes on Bravo always get through this shit.

Speaker 1:
[72:30] Oh, big go right here. Jade Brianna, great, great point. Notice how every apology West makes is centered around his feelings and comfortability. Big go. Yeah, it's all self-serving.

Speaker 2:
[72:42] Yep, absolutely. From M. Woodward, can we skip to the reunion? I feel yucky watching. No, we cannot because we still need to see Carl and Kyle fight, I guess.

Speaker 1:
[72:53] Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2:
[72:55] I guess with the Amanda and West stuff, yes, every time that you see more, it's deeply unsettling, but unfortunately, you still have to check it out.

Speaker 1:
[73:04] Alex Coydell gave us three questions. I'll do two of them. First one, the preview for next week, Amanda being jealous of them rekindling a friendship. Yeah, it's gonna be really gross. And the second one she wrote is a statement is just, what the actual fuck was that? We don't know.

Speaker 2:
[73:22] We have no idea. From Rach Goodrich, anyone check in on Kyle? LOL, very focused on everybody but him. That was his wife. Kyle seems to be doing great.

Speaker 1:
[73:31] He seems fine. He's making out with Megan King. He's doing fine.

Speaker 2:
[73:37] Yeah, I mean, I gave him some of my money. That Carl is a mess sweatshirt should be coming in at some point soon, I would imagine.

Speaker 1:
[73:42] Yeah, we're both supporting him in that way. I think Deb ordered a couple.

Speaker 2:
[73:45] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[73:47] Let's see. This is a great point. Zen Jabila, I hope I said that right. Why can't West look Ciara in the eye? This little boy act is so tired. Yeah, dude, it drives me crazy. This little like, what was me? Like, I'm just a nice little guy. Like, yeah, I got totally.

Speaker 2:
[74:04] Sunglasses on the whole time while he's talking.

Speaker 1:
[74:05] And a scarf on his head half the time. Yeah, no, no, not falling forward anymore.

Speaker 2:
[74:12] From Chappie 0907, do you think that Ciara wanted to tell West in that sit down scene that she actually had feelings for him? Yeah, yeah, probably.

Speaker 1:
[74:22] Yeah, I'm glad she didn't.

Speaker 2:
[74:24] Yeah, yeah, I'm happy she didn't. That would have been even tougher of a pill to swallow.

Speaker 1:
[74:29] This is a great question. I could probably end on that one if you find another one.

Speaker 2:
[74:33] Yeah. From Crystal Leanne, do you think that we'll actually see the Carl Kyle fight or did it get cut with the new edits? We're still going to see it. It's still going to boil over. Look, they're still moving on with the content that they have because that is a storyline. Carl Kyle is a storyline in spite of what else is going on with everything else. We're still going to see that kind of come to a head.

Speaker 1:
[74:55] Yeah. This is a good one actually before we finish up. Kakes1987 from TheMailPOV, does he actually like Ciara or is he doing this for the viewers? Neither. No, he doesn't like Ciara and he's not doing it for us. He's doing it for himself.

Speaker 3:
[75:11] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[75:12] It has nothing to do with the viewers. He's not concocting some storyline, some plan in his head that he knows is going to get. If anything, if he was doing that, if he was doing something for the viewers, he would steer clear. He would have set boundaries with Ciara and said, hey, I think we're better as friends. I don't want to muddy the waters. Do you agree? And then there would have been a tough transition period and they would have been okay. That would have been the best possible thing for him to do if he was going for the viewers, if he was going for a storyline to be, because he was already kind of ascending. Like, let's not forget beginning of the season and all the shit that was going on with Amanda and Kyle, the stances that he was taking before we knew that him and Amanda were hooking up were great. And he was putting himself in a great position to be the middle of this show as everybody else kind of moves into the sunset within the city. He could have taken over the reins of this show. He was in that position and he fucked everything up. So no, he's not doing anything for the viewers.

Speaker 1:
[76:05] Nope, it's all self-serving. Uh, man, I keep finding good ones. This is actually, we might actually want to do this. Uh, Mike O or Mitch OCT, you should live stream commentary during the reunion. Maybe we should do a live watch together.

Speaker 2:
[76:24] Yeah, for one of them. I was thinking that like for the reunion, specifically after we watch, we might record and then just have that ready to roll so that you guys get our time pretty much right away.

Speaker 1:
[76:33] Can we do a live recording afterwards?

Speaker 2:
[76:35] A public live recording? Maybe. Yeah, yeah, maybe. That could work out the game. Yeah, we'll figure all that out.

Speaker 1:
[76:44] All right, last one here. It might take a sec to break it down. Let me find it. Let me find it. Oh, yeah, there's one. Go Flyers. Not that one.

Speaker 2:
[76:56] Shout out.

Speaker 1:
[76:57] Ah, here we go. Yeah, Go Flyers, fuck the pens. Bree Bird says, this is a good one. How can production keep Summer House Season 11 from becoming Vanderpump Rules Season 11?

Speaker 2:
[77:13] Amanda and Wes can't be on the show.

Speaker 1:
[77:16] Do you see a world in which they tried not to put them back on the show, honestly?

Speaker 2:
[77:23] I see a world where what ends up happening is Amanda's mental situation doesn't allow her to go back on the show, so she just takes a step away. Kyle's still on the show, West comes back, but just gets berated and that's not going to work out or he goes to that weird Ozarks thing. I don't know, I haven't heard anything specific from like BravBros or anybody like that, but if he goes and does that, he's not on the show in New York, but there's still going to be fallout. There's still going to be a whole issue and it's going to take up the whole season and yes, we're going to watch it. We're going to watch the shit out of it, but it's not going to be fun. Like it's not going to be a good time. They're still going to go out and have fun, but we're still going to be stopping in every step of the way to talk to Ciara, to talk to Mia, to talk to Kyle, whatever it might be. So it's still going to be such a dark presence that it don't really matter. I think if they want to set themselves up for the future, yeah, I mean, you're just going to have to deal with it. You're going to have to live a summer where, yeah, they're going out and having fun, but they're still talking about all of this. And then hopefully season 12 is much better. But no matter what you do, every step of the way, it's still going to be a nightmare.

Speaker 1:
[78:32] Yeah. Next season is going to be tough to navigate. Any way you look at it, we don't really know.

Speaker 2:
[78:37] They don't have Jeremiah and they don't have Alex Baskin. So I'm hoping that this is a better producing crew that can help out with that to try to not make a VPR season 11.

Speaker 1:
[78:48] Yeah. Look, they're going to have to figure it out. I don't know what the right move is. The fact that Jermaine doesn't have his hands on it or Baskin gives us hope. But I mean, we said when this popped off, this very well may end the show and I stand by that still. I don't know. There are ways forward and there's good ways forward that would work. But there are plenty of ways that it just, especially within the city coming out where they just wrap it because they don't know how to figure it out. I don't think they'll do that. They're going to try to do something, season 11, just to build off of this momentum. But they got to be careful with how they roll it out. It's going to flounder.

Speaker 2:
[79:28] Yeah. I mean, we're going to get a lot more of a temperature reading after the reunion. You see where everybody is. I mean, based on what we've seen on socials from everybody else affected, they could be okay with no West and Amanda there. Ciara is going to be a big one. Is she even going to come back? That might actually be the answer right there is have everybody else, including Kyle come back because this is Kyle's show. Whether you guys like it or not, it's going to be Kyle's show. If he comes back completely fine with that, there might be a world where that's Bravo, Ciara, Ariana, everybody learns from their mistakes where Ciara just doesn't come back, and Ciara goes on to bigger and better things. Maybe she's on in the city and Amanda's getting booted for next season. Maybe that's what she does. They start filming for that and she ends up doing her own thing all summer. Maybe she shows up on Love Island and she's sitting with Ariatomatix for a couple of episodes down there. I can see a world where that makes a ton of sense. But maybe you see Mia stay, Ciara go, not come back, and then we just move on with that and see what we have.

Speaker 1:
[80:28] Yeah, I can see that. I don't know. It's going to be interesting. We'll keep you guys updated. Whatever we hear, I'm sure we'll get some inklings. Once the reunion is over, shit's going to start coming out. So we'll keep you guys posted. But yeah, absolutely gut-wrenching episode. Fuck West, fuck Amanda, and justice for Ciara. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show.

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