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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Hello, beautiful people. And welcome to beautiful, I mean absolutely glorious, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, the home of tomorrow night's draft. And our show is live right now. Football! It's magical. Football is celebrating its next generation of greatness tomorrow night in this beautiful city. And I was very fortunate and lucky to grow up in these hills of Pittsburgh. And I'll tell you, the weather that has been forecasted, not only since yesterday, where we had a full Kennywood day, we will certainly talk about that in a matter of moments. Today, tomorrow, Friday, into the weekend is superb. The vibes are immaculate. And what's about to happen tomorrow night is Roger Goodell is going to list off names that will potentially be launching themselves into a hall of fame-like conversation or career. Obviously, NFL careers are very difficult. There's going to be a lot of guys who are ass that are drafted tomorrow night in the NFL. Then there's going to be a couple of guys that are going to surprise people. And then there's going to be a story that's going to come from tomorrow night from this parking lot right here, the gold lot outside of Ackershur Stadium. If you're a Yenzer, you understand that obviously this parking lot is home to a lot of festivities before Steelers games, before Pirates games, after Pirates games, after Steelers games. I had a friend that was pronounced dead in his parking lot after chugging a bottle of vodka. Then he was taken to a hospital promptly here in Pittsburgh and was resuscitated. I watched a guy ask a lady, very intoxicated, if she was pregnant when she was actually just fat. So right here in this parking lot, right back here, I've seen a guy with a fishing net that he was taking in to PNC Park, catching natty light from 75 yards away. Problem goes right through net, explodes off ground, hits car. I've seen this happen. The gold lot is home to great times. The gold lot is home to a lot of chaos. Tomorrow night, the gold lot is home to dreams coming true. I do believe because the weather is so awesome, that the city is going to show up. There had been a lot of talk about Yenzer's maybe saying, it's too much work. I was supposed to get that done. Fucking two lanes in, two lanes out. 700,000 people. Yeah, right. Can't get down there for a Pirates game. There's 13,000 people in PNC Park. Why would we ever go? A lot of negativity early from a lot of old head Yenzer's. Also a lot of positivity. Obviously, a lot of people want to celebrate Ball. They want to celebrate the city of Pittsburgh. But it felt like it was getting a little bit loud because of the inconvenience that it's going to be to get down here. With this weather being the way it's been, with the way it's being covered, the people that are showing up, we've got a Wiz and Brett Michaels concert coming up Friday night. Tomorrow night, we got everything pop. It's going to be a special weekend here in Pittsburgh. We're very thankful to be here. It's not just me. Obviously, the boys are here as well. The Toxic Table at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. You guys got a chance to experience a little Pittsburgh heaven yesterday, and I don't know which one of you wants to start. Connor, you're the bigger hater, so I think you could maybe mention what happened yesterday. But in Pittsburgh, every school, like we had five elementary schools, I think, what else, right? Is that how many we had? That's one-half of the hammer. Cowboys, AP Town. We had five elementary schools. I think now there's two junior highs in a high school. Each school has like a Kennywood Picnic Day, where everybody goes to Kennywood. They charge you for it, okay? So you certainly had to pay for it. There was a couple of times where maybe early- Get your tickets. The McAfees decided not to pay. It was literally ghost time. Everybody in Plum picks up and goes to Kennywood. And every town has one of those. Yesterday, the program had our own Kennywood Picnic Day. And I want to let people at Kennywood know, we had our own Kennywood Picnic Day. Lindsay, Ricky. Yeah, Ricky. Okay, Ricky, a GM in there. Kenny the Kangaroo, brand new, by the way. Doesn't look like a puppet that has been maybe, you know, here. That's true. Kennywood swinging a hot bat.

Speaker 2:
[03:55] Gino and the maintenance crew.

Speaker 1:
[03:57] Gino and the maintenance crew. I can't thank you boys enough. Tony, the Paul of Tannery. I mean, the entire crew took care of us yesterday. We had Kennywood to ourselves. Not normally open during the weekdays at this stage of the spring because you don't know what the weather is. Opening it all up would be crazy even though the weather is awesome. Got a chance to experience Kennywood yesterday. You've said a lot of things, Con man. I would just like to kind of get your thoughts on what Kennywood was and Pittsburgh being a host site for this draft with perfect weather.

Speaker 3:
[04:23] Yeah, Pittsburgh's been amazing. Walked around a little bit yesterday in the city after Kennywood and it is just beautiful. It's clean, it looks fantastic. Saw Mr. Rogers' little neighborhood thing. Also very cool. Kennywood as a whole, I mean, look, I did say a lot of things. I thought the whoopty-woos were not gonna be whoopty-woos. I thought the roller coasters themselves were gonna be cropping shites and made out of wood. They were made out of wood, but it was still solid. I'm just gonna say that now. Six Flags, I've always held in high regard. I'm gonna put Kennywood right up there with it. I mean, not to mention the racer and the Phantom's Revenge, the Phantom. They had some coasters that deliver. Phantom were going, what, 95, 200 miles an hour. Something around there. The steel curtain, I think had nine or eight or 10 whoopty-woos, which was very, very good. I was scared going up there for a little bit. And typically, I don't love roller coasters, don't hate roller coasters. Yeah, in this moment, I was very nervous. You're going up this, I don't know, 150, 200 foot kind of a climb.

Speaker 4:
[05:24] Like they said, 229 feet is that a size point? 229, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[05:27] And they're playing, oh mama, I'm in fear for the life, for my life. And I was. There was a lot of this that I wasn't completely ready actually.

Speaker 4:
[05:37] See, what do you do?

Speaker 5:
[05:38] Yeah, de-butt.

Speaker 3:
[05:40] On the ride itself, I think de-butt, my anxiety might have got to de-butt a bit. I actually passed out here on the steel curtain. I was not ready for it. My entire body just kind of gave out. My hair was going everywhere. This is actually our second run, the first run. I damn near lost my glasses. So I took them off for a run too. I'm glad I did because as soon as I go out, I would have completely lost my shades. I wouldn't be able to see anything.

Speaker 1:
[06:05] Oh my God, you actually went out right there?

Speaker 3:
[06:08] See you guys later.

Speaker 1:
[06:08] Wake them up, DJ. This is my first time seeing it. Oh my God. Are you all right?

Speaker 3:
[06:18] I'm okay.

Speaker 6:
[06:19] People are trying to get me up there.

Speaker 2:
[06:21] Still out, still out.

Speaker 7:
[06:22] Oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[06:24] This is my first time seeing it.

Speaker 3:
[06:26] And we came back. We came back.

Speaker 2:
[06:27] Still out.

Speaker 3:
[06:32] So look, to say Kennywood.

Speaker 1:
[06:34] Hey, I'm happy you're all right.

Speaker 3:
[06:36] Yeah, I'm good. To say that it delivered would be an understatement. It did. There's a few things we should address though. One, I think it motivated a lot of us to make sure we fit in the coasters.

Speaker 8:
[06:50] You don't have to do that.

Speaker 3:
[06:51] All right. And by myself, it's the next.

Speaker 1:
[06:53] Nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here. D-Butt was right next to Connor there as Connor left, I guess, Civilization for a little bit as he was on the Steel Curtain. Nine whoopty-woos, which is the most in North America, highest whoopty-woo in North America as well as Steel Curtain. And I believe Phantom's Revenge is voted the number one coaster in America or something like that. It gets up to like, they say 85, 86 miles an hour, but the maintenance guys say they got that dialed in pretty good rate. We'd say that's probably close to 90. No pull, that's all gravity. The Steel Phantom's Revenge is just gravity and it gets you to like 90 miles an hour is what they were saying. It doesn't have any whoopty-woo, but it's just speed and twisty-whos. And I'll tell you, they brought their fans. I talked a lot of shit for Kennywood on this show. And then night before Kennywood Day for us, which came together late, shout out to Nick, Steve Littlman, by the way, kid from Plum, worked at Kennywood our entire lives, was the connection for this entire thing. Everybody that works at Kennywood's been there for 25, 30 years, new ownership, same workers, and they love that place. Night before we have our Kennywood Picnic Day, because D-Bud was like, hey, I'm telling the truth when we get on air about this Kennywood. I'm doing journalism. I actually thought to myself like maybe Kennywood, last of its kind, this particular coaster is called a fly coaster. It's the last one operating in the United States of America. There's like three different coasters that are over 100 years old there. I mean, they all still work. But I was very worried that it was going to suck. OK, I was like, man, I haven't been there in 20 years. I mean, who knows what this thing actually is? Maybe Mandela effect, about how nice it was, especially because I was a kid. The amount of things that happened in there. We walked by the old mill. So many moments of my life happened at Kennywood. It was a big day. So I started to get a little bit worried that maybe it was going to get crucified. Nope. Now granted, it was just us there.

Speaker 4:
[08:40] That helps, for sure.

Speaker 1:
[08:42] It does help. Much better. But it delivered. Much better. I had some Yenzers respond to a couple, respond to my picture of the old mill. And they go, let me guess, you're getting a VIP treatment at Kennywood? Yeah, very relatable. It's like, I was like, let you know, not relatable at all. All of these things in two and a half hours, even stopped by the potato patch. Well, we had the greatest... Hold on. It's called the potato patch. They need to take that fucking sign down. It's called the patch. No, it is not. The patch is a nicotine thing.

Speaker 2:
[09:11] There was signage for both.

Speaker 1:
[09:13] Yeah, but they covered the potato patch. Ricky made a mistake.

Speaker 2:
[09:16] He's going to fix it.

Speaker 4:
[09:17] He is going to rectify it.

Speaker 1:
[09:18] He knows that he's going to fix that. But I would say I was worried going in. And then once I felt that jackrabbit, I was like, yeah, feels like the boys are throwing their fastball today, you know, because the maintenance crew matters. And I think what I remembered is hundred-year-old coasters, wooden coasters. So if you zoom in on the wood, there's a chance it looks shitty.

Speaker 3:
[09:38] Sure. Old moldy.

Speaker 1:
[09:38] It's old wood.

Speaker 4:
[09:40] Yeah, very old.

Speaker 1:
[09:41] Pittsburgh is a blue-collar, union, labor city. The amount of pride that the maintenance people have in the Thunderbolt, in the Jackrabbit, in the fucking Kangaroo, in the Racer, in the Phantom's Revenge, in the Steel Curtain. It was like, we got a chance to talk to all the maintenance people because they had to open their rides for us.

Speaker 4:
[09:59] Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1:
[10:00] Thought they were going to hit our guts. We weren't the first people to ever have this happen, too. We were told that, which was good, because I did feel terrible that these guys had to come in on their off day and open these things. But the amount of pride they all had in all their rides. And then once we get on there, I'm like, Kennywood does have its fastball. I was very excited about that. I was worried you were going to have to kill it. I didn't remember exactly what it was.

Speaker 8:
[10:17] The expectations were very, very low coming in. You guys, you Pittsburgh guys have defended it. I'm from Florida, so that's where Disney World is. You know, so that's where I got to compare it to. And they say comparison is the thief of joy. But comparing these things, apple to apples, I mean, it's right here. It's right here. And we had the Phantom's Revenge, Steel Curtain. Now, you guys did, it's some pros and cons of having to partner yourself, because I don't know if the human body is built to just go from Phantom's Revenge twice, Steel Curtain, Jack Rabbit, back to back to back to back, but it was unbelievable. And then to top it off, finish it off with the, what is it? The Patch now, right? That's what we're calling it. Yeah, The Patch. Okay, The Patch. That was, that was.

Speaker 1:
[10:54] It's The Potato Patch.

Speaker 8:
[10:55] Fried pulled pork. They had the lorries over there. Small magic. It was top notch, A1. A1.

Speaker 1:
[11:02] Pittsburgh's been delivering, we will say, and they'll do it for the draft. Now, let's go to a man who's a College Football National Champion, Super Bowl Champion, Ryger Cup winner, AJ Hawk is here. Hawker, good to see you.

Speaker 6:
[11:11] Hawker.

Speaker 1:
[11:12] Hawker, you know your discipline is the reason why you've been so good at everything. Connor was about to mention it there. The bone couldn't fit on two of the coasters.

Speaker 6:
[11:19] Yep. So I did hear about that. Is that really true or are we just doing a thing where we mess with the bone?

Speaker 1:
[11:25] It was not good.

Speaker 6:
[11:25] Did he get into hate? Let me try to get this thing over my lap. Oh, I cannot do it. It's like a movie scene.

Speaker 2:
[11:30] On the steel curtain, there was six workers trying to shove him in the seat.

Speaker 8:
[11:33] I was trying to get out of his way.

Speaker 2:
[11:34] You know that's true.

Speaker 1:
[11:35] This is actual. We're telling the truth. I didn't want to get into this this early.

Speaker 6:
[11:39] Is there weight limits or is there size limits when you're walking up the ramp?

Speaker 8:
[11:42] That's me next door up front in the first.

Speaker 6:
[11:44] What if he rode by himself? Could he just take a cart?

Speaker 1:
[11:46] No, because there's little parts.

Speaker 6:
[11:48] There's dividers.

Speaker 8:
[11:49] And we're trying to put more weight. This was the racer right here. So it was the blue ride versus the red ride. So we're trying to get, you know.

Speaker 6:
[11:55] King's Island has a racer too.

Speaker 3:
[11:56] Bones said he was motivated, though. He said this actually, genuinely now gives me a goal.

Speaker 6:
[12:00] Is this the kickstart he needed?

Speaker 1:
[12:01] Two roller coasters.

Speaker 6:
[12:04] What did he do? Did he stay in there and wave at you guys as you went by?

Speaker 1:
[12:06] Yeah, it was more uncomfortable than anything.

Speaker 3:
[12:08] He had his hands in his face because he was crying after he couldn't ride.

Speaker 6:
[12:12] I didn't know it was that serious.

Speaker 8:
[12:14] It started off funny towards the end.

Speaker 1:
[12:16] Got sad. Got real sad.

Speaker 6:
[12:17] Did no one thought of, did anyone say, hey, I'll stay with you?

Speaker 1:
[12:20] It's okay. Well, they have a sign at the beginning that says like, well, Gumpy wasn't riding a lot of these rides because he took too much.

Speaker 6:
[12:26] He's a warden only.

Speaker 1:
[12:27] It wasn't enough. Bailey, Bailey on the ride that has the most whoopty-woos in the United States of America. As it's going, looks over at Evan Fox and goes, I hate rollercoasters. He goes through it. He gets up and gets off of it. There was a lot of observers. D-Bone, I don't think he wanted to be one, but the coasters said not today to him. And I'll tell you what, you saw what happened to Connor.

Speaker 6:
[12:55] Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:
[12:55] If that would have happened to D-Bone, we're having a memorial right now. Yeah, exactly. He would have been falling out of that thing. There's no way close to getting that thing.

Speaker 6:
[13:02] I'm glad he stayed off of it.

Speaker 1:
[13:03] All right, let's move off to Kennywood. Thank you, Kennywood.

Speaker 3:
[13:06] Bring Italian Day back, Kennywood.

Speaker 1:
[13:08] The fact that Italian Day has been lost at Kennywood is pretty crazy. Spacuzzi was walking us around. Napolitano is one of the head maintenance guys. DiGiulio was there. Maroldo was there. Gino was there.

Speaker 2:
[13:22] I mean, what do I say?

Speaker 1:
[13:23] What?

Speaker 2:
[13:24] Every day at Kennywood is Italian Day. We don't need our own day there.

Speaker 3:
[13:27] There's a guy three times the size of bone, and his name was Tony, something that ends in I or O, and the guy couldn't fit on the rise. He said, that's it. We're pulling Italian Day. We ain't doing Italian Day at Kennywood anymore, if I can't fit in that.

Speaker 1:
[13:42] Let's move to the draft, shall we? Thank you, Pittsburgh. The Penns, thank you so much for the hospitality at the playoff game on Monday night.

Speaker 8:
[13:51] I don't know if they'll be back in that building.

Speaker 3:
[13:53] Yeah, that's probably all she wrote there.

Speaker 1:
[13:54] I'll tell you what, did we know the Flyers were as big, strong and as talented as they? They're bigger, faster, stronger and more talented than us. That's never good. There's a guy named 74 on the Flyers. What was his name? He's Russian. Skinner? Owen Tippett. Tippett is all goalie. Tippett, this guy, 74. He's as orange as the fucking jersey. He's everywhere. This guy is everywhere and he's massive. What was the other guy? Sandheim?

Speaker 8:
[14:24] Number 6.

Speaker 1:
[14:24] You're lucky that glass was there, Sandheim. You're lucky that glass was there, Sandheim. I almost climbed it, but I didn't want the LA Kings thing to happen.

Speaker 2:
[14:33] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[14:34] With my neck brace. I was actually told just moments before, or I guess a day before the LA Kings glass shattered into the bench, I was told many times, stop banging on a glass, because it was hard not to just make some noise. It's the best way to make noise.

Speaker 2:
[14:48] I mean, players can touch it.

Speaker 1:
[14:49] Yeah. I think the Flyers did see this tweet and they have heard what we said. There was a lot of waving after the game to me. Hey, I see a bum. They cooked us.

Speaker 3:
[14:59] They're a good team. You got backup goalie too. How many times is a backup goalie going to come in and pitch a shutout?

Speaker 1:
[15:04] Guy was standing on his head.

Speaker 3:
[15:05] On his head.

Speaker 1:
[15:06] I'm seeing what goals are going in for the Boston Bruins last night against Buffalo. We couldn't buy one of those things.

Speaker 3:
[15:11] That's what happens when you're an original six team. Okay, the hockey gods look fondly upon you.

Speaker 1:
[15:14] All right, let's get away from this series because the Flyers are going to win it, feels like. So I don't want to talk about it ever again. Hockey had a hell of a year.

Speaker 3:
[15:21] Good job, Hockey. Basketball is heating up.

Speaker 1:
[15:24] Hockey had a hell of a year.

Speaker 6:
[15:25] Was the series 1-0 right now?

Speaker 1:
[15:26] 2-0. Yeah, and we're going back to Philly. And I'm going to tell you, I had eyes on the guys. They're bigger, stronger, faster and more talented than us.

Speaker 6:
[15:34] It's tough to compete with them.

Speaker 8:
[15:35] It's a long series.

Speaker 1:
[15:37] Not really. It could be quick.

Speaker 8:
[15:38] It's a long series. I still got faith in Sid.

Speaker 1:
[15:40] I love Sid. Geno was everywhere. Yeah. Geno, I love Geno. Tanger was after. We got a couple of guys on the ice that I don't love. Couple of guys that I could hear, this guy stinks. But on the other side, the Flyers, everybody was good.

Speaker 6:
[15:52] So they're winning it all then? The Flyers are going to win the cup?

Speaker 1:
[15:54] It feels like it. I think there's a chance. I got talking over there. There's Penguin legend. There's a chance that they could do that. It was fun. We appreciated it. Great to see everybody. Let's move to the topic of discussion and why we were so fortunate to be here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania on maybe the nicest weather I've ever seen in Pittsburgh, especially in April. Joining us now is the man who released his most recent mock draft. Some guy attacked me for saying that you're the most accurate mock drafter. He has a website. I forget his name. I don't know if anybody visited a website, but he told me it was documented. He might have outperformed you, he said. Okay. No, I don't know if anybody saw it. He did. It wasn't Mitt. It was somebody with a website. I got him. I got better score than him or whatever because there is now scoring process for these mock drafts. There is an actual score accountability that we're doing. Schrager, every time we followed along with you, we feel most informed. We appreciate you so much for joining us. It's Peter Schrager. Schrager and Tone Digs will be live from the football IQ draft IQ trailer that I just saw. It's 45 degrees in there right now. The air conditioning is working boys. Now, Schrags, you released your most recent mock draft. Let's talk about the storylines. I know a lot of things had to change after your first one. What did you kind of put into this one that you think is maybe most set, most real and then maybe what are you still questioning?

Speaker 9:
[17:09] The last 72 hours I've been on the phones with just about every NFL team and have someone in at least every building and I'm trying to piece this thing together. Remember, it's very hard to do it because if one team does something in the third overall pick that you don't expect it all trickle down effect, it makes it very difficult to be accurate. I will say this, this draft, three things to keep in mind. One, positional value does not matter this year. There are not the blue chip players that are traditional positions of offensive tackle, wide receiver, quarterback, and at defensive end that there usually are. So when you look at a Caleb Downs, a Sonny Stiles, a Jeremiah Love, three positions that you don't typically see go in the top 10, those guys will go in the top 10. That's one part that I'd say that is worth noting. The other part that I think is really significant here, Pat, is that at number three, the Arizona Cardinals are sitting there, and there are teams that have been calling, and there are teams that have been listening, and there is an opportunity to move up to three, and if they don't trade out, we might see a running back go as high as third overall. Jeremiah Love, the running back in an Notre Dame, could go third overall to the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 1:
[18:15] Okay, so you're saying there might be some moves at three. That would be for a quarterback, or you're saying positional value doesn't matter. Somebody can get to three for something.

Speaker 9:
[18:20] That would be for whoever the Jets don't take.

Speaker 1:
[18:22] Okay, so let's talk about, like, Arvel Reese potentially, instead of David Bailey. Okay, so I know that Jimmy Johnson create the Trade Points book.

Speaker 9:
[18:32] The Trade Value book, yes.

Speaker 1:
[18:34] Does this year's mean the same as other years in the past with the way everybody's talking about these particular draft?

Speaker 9:
[18:39] Great question. No, because also the other piece of this draft is one to 20. We have 20 first round picks in this draft, and I'm not knocking the kids who are going to go from 21 to 32, but traditionally, the players that you're seeing on this list from 21 to 32, for the most part, might not be considered first round players. They could be considered second round players. This draft is a little different in that you've got your few blue chip players up top, you've got your next year that are first round guys, but it kind of falls off a cliff after 20. So the trade value of a first round pick at 28 or 29 is a lot less than it might have been in previous years in this year's draft. The tackles are going to go, the wide receivers are going to go, but there's not your group of corners, there's not your group of defensive tackles, and there's not your group of quarterbacks that typically are.

Speaker 1:
[19:24] Okay, last question from me before Tone will definitely have some and the boys will. From my understanding, from my sources around the league, everybody's trying to get back. Is that accurate?

Speaker 9:
[19:36] Not everybody. Not everybody.

Speaker 1:
[19:38] But there's a lot of people trying to move back, right?

Speaker 9:
[19:40] I think there is a lot of value in trying to just collect as many picks as possible in this draft once that first wave of talent goes. When I tell you one corner, Mansour Delain is expected to go in the first round. That's the only one that's guaranteed to go. D-Bow. I'll tell you one corner. That's shocking. There's other guys who can go.

Speaker 2:
[19:57] Neil Bonder is four and a half.

Speaker 9:
[19:59] Yeah. But this is the only sure fire one that is going to go, and it's Mansour Delain. That is usually a position where we see six, seven, eight maybe go. Then after the wide receivers, you've got the big three, and then there's a bit of a question on Cooper, there's a bit of a question on Concepcion, bit of a question on Denzel Boston. You don't have your typical, these are six first-round guys, they're definitely going in the top 15. Makes it a very interesting draft.

Speaker 2:
[20:23] OK, Shakes, when I look at it, the first thing that popped out to me, Maui Noah from Miami has been the favorite to go first offensive lineman off the board for a while now. You do not have him go the first off the board, you have Fennou going. Is that because the Browns need a left tackle, Fennou has played left tackle, or do you think, are you hearing that Fennou is going to be the first offensive lineman off the board?

Speaker 9:
[20:44] It'll be one of those two guys, and I would keep an eye on Caden Proctor as a late rising prospect, the six foot seven mountain of a man out of Alabama. I have the Lions trading up to 13 to get him. Mawa Noa Fennou is a conversation everyone's having in the league right now. Fennou, we're the captain C on his chest at Utah, can play right, can play left tackle, can also play inside. We know that Mawa Noa had the bigger games, he's a right tackle.

Speaker 2:
[21:07] I just saw that Fennou, he did have the shortest arms, I believe, as an offensive lineman at the combine, but he said he doesn't give a shit. I'll put him wherever you guys think I'm going to be the greatest, I will play that position.

Speaker 9:
[21:17] Took snaps at center at the combine, said, I'll do whatever, just get me there. Can play all five positions, culture guy and everyone raves about him.

Speaker 1:
[21:25] I'm thinking he doesn't have an Instagram. Is that a clear?

Speaker 9:
[21:28] That's a great question.

Speaker 3:
[21:29] That's a good question.

Speaker 9:
[21:29] I wouldn't imagine there's a very vibrant Instagram. I don't think he's doing TikTok dances.

Speaker 1:
[21:32] I mean, if you started at all five positions or played at all five positions and willing to play at all five positions, he said I'll play whatever and he's got short arms too, so maybe he can't even.

Speaker 3:
[21:41] True.

Speaker 1:
[21:43] That's the type of guy we want on the team. That's the type of guy we want on the team. D-Bud has a question for you, Shregg.

Speaker 8:
[21:47] Guys on the team and that about draft of the Giants. I mean, I'm sure every Giants fan probably hit you up in relation with Reese and then Tyson, five and 10. What are you hearing about Tyson post pro day? Because I only saw a few clips, but he looks phenomenal the way he's moving. As far as his health, I think Dr. Child came on and said, a lot of teams won't even have a red mark next to him. What's your thoughts on Jordan Tyson being, you have him obviously second after Tate, but what's your thoughts on what you're hearing on him?

Speaker 9:
[22:13] He's the most fascinating prospect in this draft, and John Harbaugh is the most fascinating person in this draft. The Giants have a new coach who is making estimated $100 million in their building right now, and their decision-making process will now be really funneled through Harbaugh's vision. The five and the 10. They like Jordan Tyson, a lot of people in the league like Jordan Tyson, is five too rich to take a receiver who, Pat, we've talked about it, missed all those games for three different injuries, but is lights out and if healthy, is viewed as the number one prospect. I believe he could go as early as five to the Giants. I think he can go seven to the commanders, eight to the Saints or nine to the Chiefs. In this mock draft, I have the Giants just sitting pretty, holding the line and getting the guy at 10. I noted it, I broke the news that he went to dinner with Joe Shane last Thursday night. They went to a place called Uchi in Arizona. I don't know.

Speaker 10:
[23:06] It's a good spot.

Speaker 1:
[23:08] I've learned of a lot of places in Arizona.

Speaker 9:
[23:11] Uchi is the spot. I've been to a Twin Peaks in Arizona, it was lovely. I've been to several places in Arizona.

Speaker 1:
[23:16] It was lovely.

Speaker 9:
[23:17] Uchi is the spot.

Speaker 2:
[23:18] Who led you there?

Speaker 9:
[23:19] That's it.

Speaker 1:
[23:20] Hey, pal, bring an ice cold beer here, pal. Are they still serving ice cold beer here?

Speaker 2:
[23:26] Are they got ice cold in there?

Speaker 10:
[23:27] That is an uncanny invitation.

Speaker 2:
[23:29] Hell yeah, bro.

Speaker 9:
[23:29] That said, there's a lot of love for Tyson in that Giants building. I'm not sure he is gonna go at five, especially if Arville Reese is on the board.

Speaker 1:
[23:37] Let's talk about Harbaugh having two top 10 picks. So Hembo sent over some stats here about his highest drafted players under John Harbaugh. Six, Ronnie Stanley, 14, 16, 17, 18. Obviously, whenever you think about Harbaugh trying to build a new culture, isn't that a big deal here now with his draft picks and what he does with five and 10? Isn't it sending a massive message? His brother drafted Joe Ault first draft pick. Remember, there was a lot of conversation on who he was going to take, and he said, we're taking an offense alignment. We are just going to let everybody know that we're taking an offense alignment. Harbaugh is going to do that with the Giants as well. I don't see wide receiver at five for Harbaugh.

Speaker 9:
[24:12] That seems out of character, right? It does. And then yet you look at what this team is built at. You have neighbors coming off the injury. You don't have Wondell Robinson anymore. Darius Slayton is the number two. Are you going to compete with the Cowboys, the Eagles, and the commanders with what you have on offense, or do you go and get the guy if he's the number one wide receiver at a value position? I would add all those players that Harbaugh got, but the exception of Flacco, who was the 18th overall pick and went to Delaware, we're talking Alabama, Notre Dame. You're talking about big program, guys who've produced. All these Ohio State guys, whether it be Caleb Downs, Sonny Stiles, Arvel Reese, Carnell Tay, that feels like a Harbaugh. There is a body of work that they have done in big spots from big programs, where when you're looking at a Jordan Tyson and say, well, Arizona State, he did play well in big games. Maybe that's not the feel at five overall.

Speaker 1:
[25:02] Yeah. And for Jordan Tyson, Dr. David Chow kind of talked me out of the hole. I'm never trusting that guy in a 17 game season. Him saying his hamstrings back, hamstrings get healthy. The shoulder or what was it? He said he plays, yeah. Collarbone. Collarbone. He plays football. Like that's going to happen. Hopefully, it doesn't happen in the NFL again or whatever you know for the way he lands. And then knee ligament stuff.

Speaker 2:
[25:22] His knee hit, like the highlight hit the Internet again this week of his hit in Colorado. When he did, we all would have torn everything off. It was a submarine safety right to his knee. Just, yeah, it was it was it was tough.

Speaker 8:
[25:34] Darius football is a low tackle, Stray.

Speaker 2:
[25:37] Okay.

Speaker 8:
[25:38] But you know, it's 32 teams. So it may be 22 that say, hey, no issues. But 10 that say no way I'm taking them because 100% getting injured in college. The likelihood of getting injured in college and being healthy on the NFL level. So some guys just take them off the board.

Speaker 9:
[25:52] The other one that's interesting is Jermad McCoy out of Tennessee, who you're going to hear a lot about. He had the best film out of anybody in the 2024 season. January of 25 had a knee injury, missed the entire college football season. Everyone said, he'll be back, he'll be fine. Combine, okay, I'm not doing much fine. Pro Day runs a 40, looks good. Drills, they said, not 100%. You're hearing back from teams that like, whereas Tyson is well on his way, like McCoy still might need some time and they might need to do some more work. So you start. So I got them all the way down to 30. This is a guy who might be the best corner in this draft. If you look at the 24, Phil, might be the best corner in the past two drafts. But that might be a value pick for the Dolphins over there at 30. If teams are just scared to say, OK, he might not be a contributor right away, or we're only going to get this many years out of them. Outstanding kid, outstanding talent. But I haven't gone 30 in the second corner off the board.

Speaker 1:
[26:41] Remember, all it takes is one person to like a player. Owner, GM, owner's wife, owner's kid, owner's husband. I mean, Carly's husband might be really intrigued. Draft night can change.

Speaker 9:
[26:56] 100 percent.

Speaker 1:
[26:56] Owners can literally say, we like this guy, right?

Speaker 9:
[26:59] No doubt.

Speaker 1:
[27:00] No, we kind of like the other. No, no, we do. I think we like this guy, especially in this where it seems like it's a lot of. Yeah. A lot of one of these.

Speaker 9:
[27:07] So like 31 flavors is what I was told. This draft is like Baskin Robbins. Like you like this guy, you got this guy. Take one of them like they're both. Reese and Bailey for the Jets is a fascinating debate. And to their credit, the Jets are lock and key right now. There's no leaks coming from their building.

Speaker 2:
[27:21] And what about the Jets canceling his top 30? Do you get any feeling from they canceled David Bailey's top 30 visit? Is that a good thing for them, Bailey going to the Jets or Pat?

Speaker 9:
[27:28] I have him going number two. I've had him going there for a month. And Pat, we talked about it. Everyone was on Reese. I was on Bailey. And then everyone went back on Reese. I've stayed on Bailey. Very unorthodox that they canceled a top 30 visit.

Speaker 1:
[27:40] Hey, that's Jets football, baby. Yes it is.

Speaker 9:
[27:44] The explanation you will get on that is, we met with him extensively at the combine. We met with him extensively at the pro day. We've done FaceTimes with him. Why are we wasting his time? We know the kid. He went from Stanford to Texas Tech. He's as clean as a prospect off the field as you could imagine. He's a wonderful young man. Had 14 and a half sacks. What are we getting from him touring our facility? That said, Orville Reese went on the thing and did the same stuff and toured the facility. So you take what you want from it. I've got him going Bailey, but like you just said, I have been wrong before and things can also change from now until the draft on Thursday.

Speaker 8:
[28:16] Did you, AJ, did you have anything like that happen to you leading up to the draft? Because you know, you kind of in the same shoes as the top five pick. Do you know Packers were kind of in on you?

Speaker 6:
[28:24] I did not. I met with them at the combine and everything, but I took those, I think I took five or six visits around and the Packers didn't bring me in. They didn't cancel a visit. I didn't have something scheduled and canceled. They just had no communication. So I really had no clue until they called me 30 seconds before my name came on the team. It's crazy.

Speaker 1:
[28:38] Where did you think you were going to go?

Speaker 6:
[28:39] I was hoping to go to Green Bay because it was close. It's the Packers, you know, everyone. I feel like at least in the Midwest grew up a Packers fan. I was hoping to go there, but honestly I was so young and naïve and stupid. I didn't care.

Speaker 1:
[28:51] Did anybody take you into the old mill though, a little bit more than everybody else? You know, I'm talking about Kennywood. Anybody really show you love? Maybe a little over the pants?

Speaker 6:
[28:59] Over the pants maybe, but Mike Nolan was actually out in San Francisco. He was the head coach. He was awesome. He was a great dude. I think I said on the show before, he old school wrote me a handwritten note and sent me 10 bucks back because he didn't have any cash when he was trying to tip the guy at the restaurant he took me to in San Fran. So he was like, Oh, I'm sorry. You got any money? I got 10. I gave him a 10. And then to my call, my scrubby little college house, I got old school mail and it was from Coach Mike Nolan with a $10 bill and saying thank you. I was like, Hey, if he wants to take me, I'll be very happy.

Speaker 1:
[29:31] I love the guy. I love the way for that guy. Yeah. That's amazing. AJ, top five pick is crazy to think about. Draft League was obviously huge for you. And I always ask you the corny sports media question. But like, how does it feel to be this close to people who have never experienced your life that you got to experience all those years ago? Draft Week is special. It's a lot of dream. I mean, I was picked to 22. I cried. You know, like, obviously, I couldn't imagine a five. And nowadays, all the kids are rich, though. So I guess it kind of takes away from I don't know. I still think it's a huge.

Speaker 6:
[29:58] It's still huge. It's definitely still a huge deal. But I mean, I don't know. I think there's something to there's something about being young and naive to the process and not really sure what the whole future holds. What I always struggle with is when people say, like, oh, I'm certified. I've made it now, mama. Like, no, I'm like, no, this is just the start. Like, I agree. It was a very it's an emotional situation and it's a dream come true. But I was like, OK, now I have a chance. Like, now it's time to go to work. If you didn't you don't if you're drafted, you're not you have not arrived. You have you got a chance to go live your dream now.

Speaker 1:
[30:28] And that's who they're trying to draft, by the way.

Speaker 6:
[30:30] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[30:31] That is all we're trying to draft that guy. Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[30:34] Can I share a story about Pat McAfee's draft? I don't know if I've shared on the show. And I think I told you in person once Tom Telesco is a friend of mine. He was with the Chargers and the Raiders. He worked for the Indianapolis Colts and he was a scout. Now, Pat, tell me the actual bowl game it was. You guys played North Carolina.

Speaker 1:
[30:48] The Mauna Kea Car Care Bowl.

Speaker 9:
[30:49] It was the Mauna Kea Car Care Bowl. And Tom Telesco, who was a scout for the Indianapolis Colts, said before the game, there was a guy booting 60-yard field goals, blasting punts. And he said, who is this guy? That is the number one punter slash kicker I've ever seen in a pregame workout. You were there for an hour beforehand. And Telesco was like, this guy is amazing. We have to get this guy. Goes back to the Colts organization and they're putting the boards together. And he's like, that's my pick. McAfee out of West Virginia, that's my pick. They also thought they had a chance that they could also get this guy who was a receiver out of Akron, who was a Kent State, I'm sorry, a nice player who can do a couple of things and was returning kicks, but was really a quarterback. And he was a quarterback that they had their eyes on. Their plan all along was to draft both Pat McAfee and Julian Edelman. It comes up on to the clock and it was a debate in the war room. Do we take the punter kicker or the quarterback that we want to convert to wide receivers? The punter kicker won the argument.

Speaker 1:
[31:49] That's a mistake.

Speaker 9:
[31:50] It's selected by the Indianapolis Colts and Edelman goes undrafted and then he signs the Patriots as an undrafted free agent.

Speaker 1:
[31:57] Even more so, I was supposed to go to Kent State. Is that right? Yeah. So I was committed to Kent State. So I would have been teammates with Julian at that thing.

Speaker 8:
[32:05] Yeah. I ended up being both one helmet guys though.

Speaker 1:
[32:07] Yeah. The whole time.

Speaker 9:
[32:09] Wire to wire in both media superstars.

Speaker 1:
[32:11] Yeah. Yup. Yup. Yup. I'd say that's the case. Euphoria is kind of the feeling that we both got, you know, in like, ain't that right AJ?

Speaker 6:
[32:18] That is. You're right.

Speaker 1:
[32:19] Julian Edelman. I got a chance to see. I am a huge fan of Julian Edelman. And Peyton of Julian Edelman would have been outrageous.

Speaker 11:
[32:26] Oh man.

Speaker 1:
[32:29] I don't know if Tom Toleska, he should have got off the table when he was fighting for me.

Speaker 8:
[32:32] He had Austin Colley, young Austin Colley.

Speaker 1:
[32:34] I picked him in the fourth, I think, third round at a.

Speaker 6:
[32:36] Why was he your comparison?

Speaker 8:
[32:37] He played in the slot. Oh, got it.

Speaker 1:
[32:39] There it is.

Speaker 8:
[32:40] Edelman was my teammate. Nothing else.

Speaker 1:
[32:41] No other reason.

Speaker 6:
[32:42] No other reason?

Speaker 1:
[32:43] Austin was easier.

Speaker 6:
[32:44] He was a good pick. Austin take the top off.

Speaker 1:
[32:48] Austin was going deep.

Speaker 8:
[32:50] Fourth to two game, I was led up across Austin. Today move Reggie in there to route me up. Oh yeah.

Speaker 9:
[32:55] Who was the Ohio State guy? Gonzalez? He was there.

Speaker 1:
[32:59] Politician?

Speaker 9:
[32:59] Politician now, right?

Speaker 1:
[33:00] He had a hell of a take. Man, Anthony, Julian Edmund, Austin, Collie and Reggie Way. Wow. That would have been.

Speaker 8:
[33:05] You had Garcon.

Speaker 1:
[33:06] And Dallas Corp. Oh my God. We would have scored a third. They would have scored. I would have been on a different team. Hopefully. Actually, I probably would have been flipping.

Speaker 9:
[33:14] Had you heard that story before?

Speaker 1:
[33:15] No, I did not. They traded with the Eagles, I do believe, to get up to pick 222 to make the pick. So I had no idea. I had no contact with the Eagles. So what I got to call is watching in my house. Because I thought I was going to the Cowboys. I was told before draft by Joe DiCamillo, Special Teams Commander, say, hey, you're going to be a Cowboy. You're going to be kicking for us down here. I was like, sick. I'm going to be a fucking Dallas Cowboy. We partied hard. I mean, we had a great weekend. We had a lot of fun. Then when it came Sunday to get drafted or whatever, we were like, all right, let's settle in. They draft another guy, a kid out of David, out of USC.

Speaker 2:
[33:48] Oh, the lifter.

Speaker 1:
[33:49] Yeah, because he did, Jerry loved him, I guess, because he did 225, 20 sometimes, 28 times or something. So Joe DiCamillo has actually told me like, hey, man, I'm so sorry that happened. And I'm like, well, no other team really.

Speaker 2:
[33:59] There's your example with the owner, by the way.

Speaker 1:
[34:01] Yeah, no, exactly.

Speaker 9:
[34:02] Special teams coach only has so much voice.

Speaker 1:
[34:05] No other team was really that interested, though. So it was like, I don't know if I'm going. I think this might be back to school days. And then, yeah, I get the call from Bill Polian. That was so cool. Hey, we think you can figure out punting, is what he said. I'm like, yeah, man. Absolutely. Can't wait to do that. Had to go to Plum High School as football field the next day with Tim McAfee and like, hey, we got to figure out. Is that ever hold before? Yeah, absolutely. I held all the time. I kicked four years there. I never held in my life. But yeah, I lied to my ass off. Very lucky to get in there. They wish they would have taken Julian Edelman. And I think that would have been a smart decision long term. And it would have been nice to be teammates with Jules. But on that note, lucky, luckiest phone call I ever got. And I tried to fuck it up there to get arrested. I tried my best. I was nowhere near good enough at kicking bulls when I got arrested to get arrested. And I knew that sitting in that jail cell. This one's over, boys, you know, one of those moments. Because, you know, once Tom Telesco looked into West Virginia, I had a couple of underages. Yeah, there was a couple of red flags, we'll say. Hey, it was a Tuesday, it looks like. Why? Teammate's birthday, teammate's birthday. I had to be there for the teammate. Okay, this next one. Wednesday night. Penny Pitchers. Yeah, well. Penny Pitchers. I don't know if it's the last Thursday. Ever been to Morgantown? I don't know. But my entire process was very nerve-wracking and very scary. That's why, like, whenever people get drafted in the first round, they're like super pumped for them. But I feel like AJ's draft experience is vastly different than mine. I thought I was going back to school, maybe going back to soccer for a little bit. Really? So getting drafted was like a huge anxiety relief, I would say. But to AJ's point, I didn't make the team then, you know? Like, I'm not on the team at that point. They had four punters on the team.

Speaker 9:
[35:45] Did they really?

Speaker 1:
[35:45] Yeah, I think so, yeah. And the special teams coordinator had told me directly to my face that he didn't all want me, he wanted the other guy, which was Timmy Thee Masthey. Yeah, Tim Masthey.

Speaker 9:
[35:54] You still play with him at Packers?

Speaker 1:
[35:55] Yeah. He was in training camp with us though. I had to compete with him. He was a part of helping teach me how to punt like a month before training camp. And then he's in there and we're competing with each other. And it's like, I'm so sorry, Tim. I'm so sorry. And I was not good. I should not have made the team, but Bill Pullian had my back and I'm very grateful for that. Very thankful for that. But the draft is a special time. And Treggs, we're very thankful that you're joining us.

Speaker 9:
[36:17] Dude, I can't wait. I predicted four trades in my mock draft. I've got Detroit coming up. I've got the Cowboys coming up. It's all fun. Enjoy it. Do what you want with it.

Speaker 1:
[36:26] Just don't tip picks.

Speaker 9:
[36:27] It's a guide. I do ask you, though, at home, choose your entertainment value wisely. Put the Twitter away. Watch us on all the channels. Watch the draft spectacular. We're going to have an absolute blast tomorrow.

Speaker 1:
[36:38] Yeah, you're right. I do like you taking your high horse stance, that you have.

Speaker 9:
[36:41] Can I explain the high horse?

Speaker 1:
[36:42] Hold on though.

Speaker 9:
[36:43] It's more against reporters than...

Speaker 1:
[36:45] No, I want to let you know, though. You've done this for the last few years. Okay, to us, you've actually told me, like, I don't like when people tip picks. And I go, well, we definitely tip picks because that was kind of where the draft spectacular started. We were all wearing... I was in a Canadian tuxedo. Aaron joined us. And we were on the Internet. So any information that the Internet had, we were certainly... But we were like seven picks ahead of the NFL. And we started gaining some steam with this draft spectacular. People actually started watching our shit. So people started getting real mad. You know, these people down here still don't love us. Those people over there, the guy that sits on that stage up there. So then we started getting messages like, hey, please don't be tipping picks. And then you gave me a full speech about it. And you're like, hey, this is not impressive.

Speaker 9:
[37:29] There's no value. You're not winning a Pulitzer Prize for breaking tipping picks. If you have a pick on Thursday morning and you're like, I know the Jets are taking David Bailey or I know everyone. God bless you as a reporter, go. The NFL gets the picks before you see them on TV. You have to submit them. All 32 teams get the pick. Every coach, every GM, every. So if you have one source in any building at the league office, an agent, everyone gets it 90 seconds before the pick is announced. All it takes is to just be told, oh, they're taking this guy. And you're just spoiling it. So if you have the pick a day earlier, you're a reporter and you want to break it, great. But after the pick is submitted and the pick is submitted and in, there's no valor, there's no awesome honor.

Speaker 6:
[38:15] Sorry, Stregs, but shouldn't you be talking to these coaches and people that are snitching? Letting these reporters know?

Speaker 9:
[38:20] So, they're trying to crack down. It's hard. There's 32 rooms.

Speaker 6:
[38:24] There's too many people.

Speaker 1:
[38:24] There's a thousand people.

Speaker 2:
[38:26] Think about all the people and all the drafts.

Speaker 9:
[38:28] Listen, Mike Greenberg will know, Rich Eyes will know. Everyone knows, it goes through. It's a production. So I'm not trying to say, I'm not trying to say like, hey, protecting their shield, I don't give a crap about the ratings. I'm saying, there's no qu- And then the reaction when you just see it on TV and Gadel says the name and you didn't expect it to be happened, that surprise is cool. That's one of the-

Speaker 1:
[38:47] Did you see Ty, or sorry, did you see Mad Mel last year, whenever Golden- How good was that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9:
[38:52] That still exists.

Speaker 1:
[38:53] We'll have that. And to be completely clear, I do think Commissioner Gadel loves the draft. Oh yeah. Like he is very, very, very big fan of the draft. Future of the NFL, future generations. This is a baton passing of the NFL almost, and it's become a spectacle. I think he's very proud of what it's become. And I do think they like him being the one. Oh yeah. We've gotten that message loud and clear. Okay, now we don't get the same emails that Rich Eisen and Greenie get.

Speaker 9:
[39:17] I don't know. No, it's not emails.

Speaker 1:
[39:19] That's interesting.

Speaker 9:
[39:19] It's not emails. The production of it all, like right before the pick is up, they have to know because they have to have the B-roll ready and all the stuff and they have to get it going. And they do.

Speaker 1:
[39:26] Yeah, Foxy made the B-roll.

Speaker 2:
[39:28] Your actual reaction though, finding out who it is is great though.

Speaker 1:
[39:30] Yeah, I enjoy learning this.

Speaker 2:
[39:31] It's better that you don't know.

Speaker 1:
[39:33] Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is the man who's going to be picking at the end of the NFL draft tomorrow. Maybe, maybe he trades up the two.

Speaker 2:
[39:39] He could.

Speaker 1:
[39:40] Maybe trades up the one.

Speaker 2:
[39:41] I don't know if they have the capital to do that, but maybe.

Speaker 1:
[39:43] Ladies and gentlemen, the general manager of the Buffalo Bees, Brandon Bees. Beano, how you doing, pal?

Speaker 12:
[39:51] I'm good. Good to see you guys. Everybody good?

Speaker 1:
[39:53] Yeah, we're fantastic. How are you obviously on this draft, Eve? You have a late pick, but on that note, are we already locked in at this point? Where do teams kind of sit whenever we're the day before the NFL draft? Are you reading Schrager's mock and go, that changed it? Legitimately, how do you guys operate this close to when the draft starts?

Speaker 12:
[40:10] Yeah, after we see Peter's mock, we kind of rally back up as a group and see where he ranks, how we rank them. And so we have a conversation. We don't necessarily take Peter's guy, but we at least want to talk about it before we dismiss it.

Speaker 1:
[40:26] Well, congratulations. You're taking Peter Woods out of collection.

Speaker 12:
[40:29] Let's go. All right, we'll go ahead and get him on an airplane, get him up above the boat.

Speaker 1:
[40:36] Okay. So what have you guys been doing? Obviously, that late in the draft, so many things can happen and obviously, trades take place on draft night and surprise picks happen. Are you just running through all the different situations? How do you, can you take me through late end of first round and kind of strategy at this point?

Speaker 12:
[40:52] Yeah. I mean, you kind of just use what you know, you use what you hear, obviously, you study mocks, not like the actual order, but you know out of enough mocks that Fernando Mendoza is going to be gone, Reese is going to be gone, you name them. You kind of just write down, all right, I'm just making up a number. These 12 guys are 100% barring, like I said, a gas mask or something. I don't know if you might care about that, but barring something like that happening, these guys are going to be gone before we pick. After that, you're just then kind of looking at names, you're looking at positions, position value, and then you look around you, like what do you think the team's three, four, five in front of you? What are they going to do? Do you want to move up with one of them? Where we have draft capital, we don't have a two, we traded, we did a two, five swap for DJ Moore. So it's not like we're loaded with a lot of DJ Moore to kind of jump way up the line.

Speaker 1:
[41:53] You should think about it that way. That'd be cool for us. Yeah, you might as well.

Speaker 2:
[41:56] You should use your 27 picks. Everyone said that draft's going to stink.

Speaker 1:
[41:59] Yeah. I think you should, maybe the whole fleet of 20, 27 picks to move right up to two to three so we can get a little electricity. You know, to start this entire thing. D-Bud has a question for you, being old.

Speaker 8:
[42:10] Yeah, babe, I want to ask you about players with injuries. Now, not specific players in this draft, but how do you balance, I guess, the talent of certain players at certain positions and then the injuries, like if it's the same injury year after year, if it's just random injuries over three years, how do you balance that as a front office?

Speaker 12:
[42:27] Yeah, great question. You know, we do meet with our docs and our medical team and, you know, you have their talent where they're out on the board, but if it's a longevity issue, you're going, all right, is this a one contract guy? Do I think he can even, is this something I'm concerned the guy can even play four to five years on? And then you kind of make it, am I taking them all the way off the board or am I moving them down, saying, hey, you know what, I wouldn't, I had a first round great on him as his talent, but I'm very concerned if he can make it, you know, four or five years. But maybe I say, you know what, a fourth round pick, he may not make it four or five years either, depending, so you're just kind of measuring risk. The risk of the talent of the player, first the risk of what the medical concerns are. You look at past history as well, what players have come out in the draft with this position, with something similar, how did they fare or did it go well, did it not? So you're just trying to put as much info as you can and put them in the spot that you're most comfortable taking them.

Speaker 1:
[43:28] Tyson is obviously who we're referring to here because he's potentially top.

Speaker 8:
[43:31] McCoy. It happens every year.

Speaker 1:
[43:33] Corner, I guess, yeah, also there, McCoy. But Jordan Tyson is the big convo because he's potentially top 10 pick. Now, on that note, I haven't asked you this because I don't want you to be put in a spot, but I'm definitely going to do it now that people are watching and we're the day before the draft. How do you feel about this draft class? What do you think is the read on this draft class here as a whole? You don't have to talk about just first round. You can do the entire, what do you think about? Because there's been a lot of shade during this draft class, I think, strictly because there isn't a bunch of quarterbacks. What are your thoughts on this particular draft class?

Speaker 12:
[44:01] Yeah, I mean, I think it's not as top heavy. You were eluding to it like at the top, whether it's quarterback, edge, tackles, things like that. I don't think there's just as many surefire top 10, top 15 guys, but they're still really good players. There's depth at various positions, and you're just trying to see, you know, as you look, what positions have depth, what do not? Because if they don't have depth and you feel like that's a need, you're like, man, we better find a way to get that guy early or we're going to leave the draft, you know, without filling that position. But I think there's guys, Pat, that we can, you know, maybe they're not a starter, you know, for us, but a guy that can fill a depth role. I think there's still plenty of players that will help, you know, all 32 teams, you know, throughout the draft.

Speaker 1:
[44:48] I like to hear that. There's been a lot of negativity about this draft. Con Man, New England Patriot, Die Hard fan, has a question for you.

Speaker 3:
[44:54] Yeah, being shout out to your Buffalo Sabres, good game last night. But back to football real quick.

Speaker 1:
[45:01] Josh Allen's chugging beers. Maybe you need to look at Ty Simpson. Yeah, I don't know about that guy. I don't know if that guy's fully committed.

Speaker 3:
[45:09] Yeah, that one's tough.

Speaker 1:
[45:11] Great beer chug though, Josh. Great beer chug. We love what you're doing for sport right there. And congrats on the kid.

Speaker 3:
[45:17] Yeah, and also people were judging the drum. He nailed the drum. He just wasn't hitting it as hard. He was going for the beat, not power. That's something you need to look at.

Speaker 12:
[45:26] But it's one one, so don't get too ahead of yourself.

Speaker 3:
[45:31] We'll see. One team is bigger, tougher, more physical, and is patting the other team, but that's fine. B, when it comes to trades, in the draft itself, Schrags had four of them in his mock, one of them being the Cowboys switching picks with the Chiefs. But for you, you've traded up, you've traded back. Kinkade, you went up and got him. At what point are you starting to talk to GMs? Like, do you think these guys are talking now about, like, hey, can we move up here? Are you waiting till the draft starts? And if your guy starts to fall a bit, are you calling other teams? Like, what is kind of the strategy when it comes for some of these GMs trying to trade up and trade back?

Speaker 12:
[46:06] Yeah, I mean, I think you kind of check with how far are you realistically, wherever you're at in the first round, how far are you willing to go up knowing, you know, generally speaking, what that draft capital would cost you. And listen, if you're willing to go in the top 10 and you feel like you got the capital to do it, you're checking in saying, hey, what is your interest? Or you guys think you would have any interest in moving back to our spot? Is this too far? You kind of want to get a feel. You may be, I'm just making up, you may be at 20. Well, I know this. The year we took Josh, okay, we were at 21 and 22 and I was calling. No one, you know, well ahead of time, hey, we were going to need to get into the top 10. I'm calling teams and no one was interested in falling all the way back to 21. So I traded a player with Cincinnati and went from 21 to 12. And now teams were interested in moving. You know, we ultimately went from 12 to 7. And I don't think I could have got that deal on draft day going all the way from 21 to 7. So you kind of get a feel of if those teams up there, however far you want to go, are they willing to drop back as far as you are? Whether it's three spots or whether it's 15 spots.

Speaker 1:
[47:17] You guys are little deal makers out there. I like what we're doing in real time. Speaking of time, Schrags has the last question for you.

Speaker 9:
[47:24] By the way, that Cordy Glenn deal, I think I broke that one. Let's ask about the change in the draft because Pat brings up a big point here. It used to be 15 minutes, then it was 10 minutes, but now it's eight minutes for first round picks. Meaning you kind of got to be a little quicker and a little more nimble. What does that do to a GM and how does that affect you when you're on the clock?

Speaker 12:
[47:43] Listen, at the end of the day, it's one round that you're doing it. We speed it up to seven minutes in the second round. You're prepared. We've been preparing for all this. So at the end of the day, I know it's a TV production and all that. I don't see any issue with it. I think you're going to kind of know ahead. Like if you're wanting to trade up or if I'm sitting at 26 and I think I want to trade back, like I'm lining, you know, for the most part, those up. It doesn't mean when you get on the clock that you don't check with a couple of teams before you make a move, either make a pick or take another move. You have to have your ducks in a row. You can't sit there for five minutes before you start that process of making a trade. But I don't see an impact. And it really shrugs.

Speaker 1:
[48:30] You're going to win a Super Bowl or not? I'm sick of it.

Speaker 12:
[48:35] That's the goal, buddy. That's the plan. That's the plan.

Speaker 1:
[48:39] Too good at golf. You might have to get worse at golf.

Speaker 12:
[48:41] That would help.

Speaker 1:
[48:42] I don't know how it's going to go. I don't know how it's going to go. You're so good at golf. So good at golf. Not really. Not really. Yes, he is. Foxy, will you speak for the congregation here? Yeah, Brandon Bean's incredible at golf.

Speaker 6:
[48:53] He will hit a four iron straight down the middle. Driver straight down the middle.

Speaker 1:
[48:56] He will chip it on close and he will make that putt. He is absolutely nails. Yeah, he's been doing it since he's like a kid. Just ride the bike to the golf course. Sure. Let me play like a 90 year old. And then he starts smoking the ball. He's a player. He's got a real stick. And tomorrow night, we'll see if he can get one pick, maybe two picks closer to that Lombardi. We appreciate the hell out of you, Bean. Good luck tomorrow. All right, buddy. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 5:
[49:18] See you, Bean.

Speaker 1:
[49:20] Spip it away from the giraffe. Let's head to the playoffs, not the NHL, because it's tough to talk about that without having to bring up that the Flyers are just fucking dismantling the Pittsburgh Penguins. And I don't like it.

Speaker 3:
[49:32] One at a time.

Speaker 1:
[49:33] We're on the glass watching that ass get kicked the other night. And I'll say it, the Flyers bigger, stronger, faster, more talented.

Speaker 11:
[49:40] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[49:40] That's normally a pretty good little recipe to win.

Speaker 3:
[49:42] Yeah, stuff matters.

Speaker 1:
[49:43] That's tough. Sid can't just play all five positions.

Speaker 11:
[49:46] I wish.

Speaker 1:
[49:47] I wish he could.

Speaker 3:
[49:48] People aren't happy with Tanger on the Internet. No, they're not.

Speaker 1:
[49:51] They need to relax. Tanger's done a lot of good. He is the least of our worries. Nah, he is one of our worries. But he is not the least of our worries. He'll get it figured out. Let's go to the NBA. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a dude obviously we all love. 15-year NBA veteran, NBA champ, Stunt Kendrick Perkins.

Speaker 13:
[50:07] Where are you?

Speaker 11:
[50:09] Where are you?

Speaker 5:
[50:12] You see it? I'm in the NY. Pat, how's the neck doing, man? You know what I'm saying? I see the neck brace off. How's the neck doing? Everything good?

Speaker 1:
[50:21] I got my scans back, my C2, C3, C4, and C5 all 100% somehow. It might have been just in my mind that I maybe had a broken neck, but I'm happy that the doctors here in Pittsburgh, UPMC took care of me. And thank you for checking in on me, Perk. I was in a bad spot out there.

Speaker 5:
[50:37] I saw you. You was in the club with 50. You wasn't too bad. You wasn't too bad. You was in the club with 50. You wasn't too bad.

Speaker 1:
[50:44] 50, Cameron, Tony Ayo, Unk Murda was in there. I mean, we were doing it. It was back. It was 2005 in there. Bam, bam. Bam, bam. Bam, bam. Bam, bam. I mean, it felt like I was 18 years old again. Anyways, let's talk about the NBA. We only got six minutes. It's on us. Thank you for joining us. Feels like the NBA had a big bounce back in game two of all the different series. Who caught your eye this weekend? What do we need to potentially change our opinions on in your eyes?

Speaker 5:
[51:16] Oh, you know what? Man, I would say I got to go towards the Lakers.

Speaker 1:
[51:24] Okay, Ron's going to win another one.

Speaker 5:
[51:28] No, no, no, no, we'll not go that far. It's more so, it's more so in the indictment on the Houston Rockets and how horrible they are. When you think about the position at their end, now you get back Kevin Durant and last night was a complete embarrassment. Marcus Smart showed up, Luke Knott is looking like the second coming of Larry Bird for some reason in this series. And you have Jackson Hayes, who numbers didn't pop out box score wise, is outplayed Alfred Shangoon. And when I say outplayed him, Jackson Hayes was, he did a lot of little things that was like winning plays yesterday. And it raised a concern and put a bigger scope on the Houston Rockets and how disconnected and dysfunctional they really are.

Speaker 1:
[52:25] OK, so let's talk about your comment about LeBron at the beginning of this series. I know you're turning it on to the Houston Rockets being ass and everything like that. But at one point, you said, if LeBron is able to do this at this stage of life, this first series against the Rockets, go conversations over. We've had what seemingly is 15 guys who play in the NBA are all from Chicago. They have all come on our show. And they just biased opinions. They're like, the conversation is over. 41 years old doing what he's doing, worthy of the respect that he's getting all across the board right now. It feels like people are finally feeling OK giving him a little bit of love for what he's doing right now.

Speaker 5:
[53:01] And rightfully so. Look, Braun and I, AAU, battled in AAU, played on the same team with the Oakland Soldiers, McDonald's All-Americans together, drafted together. He is still going and I'm in the next chapter of my fucking life. OK, he is still going and I'm in the next chapter of my fucking life and doing it at the highest level. Can you explain to me how 41-year-old guy, that's 20, his 23rd year in the NBA, is still looking like a top five player in the NBA? That's what he looked like last night. Now, I get it. My guy Q Rich, he was on here a week ago. And I know how Q Rich stands. You could just go look at his IG page when he posts all his shipments of Jordans that he get in every month. And you know he go stand ten toes down with MJ. My guy Shump was on here. He's from the shy. We know he go stand ten toes, although he won a championship with LeBron, which is kind of crazy to me. But listen, what Braun is doing right now, you just have to, I said back in my hotel room last night, and I was just like, man, this is unreal. When he rejected that screen and roll and went down the lane, this play right here and rock the cradle, he didn't have to show off like that. But he did that for the neighborhood. Yeah, he did that for the neighborhood.

Speaker 1:
[54:30] Yeah, the Oakland Soldiers, you know, brr, brr, yeah, back there doing it. Okay, we got like two minutes left on this. We have to hit something other than Braun. Go ahead, D-Bone.

Speaker 8:
[54:39] Yeah, go to the east. We got the betting favorite Celtics. They took an L to the sixer yesterday. VJ Ed Combs stepped up. Maxey stepped up. Are you concerned with the Celtics at all coming out of the east now?

Speaker 5:
[54:50] Absolutely not. Hell no. You know why? Because listen, the Celtics shot 13 for 50 from the three-point lines. They're not going to shoot that poorly again. And look, VJ Ed Combs, he cut them every well below. He had the game of his life. 30 points, 10 rebounds in the garden. That's a hard thing to do. The one thing I will not do is question the Joe Missoula system. Amen. This is their offensive system. The one thing I will not question is that, is Derrick White and Jalen Brown. They will lock in and they will be better defenders in game three. So Tyrese Maxey, VJ Edgecone, Paul George, they did their thing. They stole the game on the road, but I'm not concerned about the Celtics. They had the most championship experience in the East.

Speaker 1:
[55:41] Huge day yesterday for the underdogs in the NBA, which has been abnormal this season. Maybe the playoffs, just like we thought, are heating up. Shout out to the NBA. Shout to you, Perk. We wish you were here in Pittsburgh maybe next time. And thank you for everything, brother.

Speaker 5:
[55:57] All you got to do is send the invite, Pat.

Speaker 1:
[55:59] I don't want to hear that shit, Perk. I'm sick of that. I'm sick of you talking like that. Ladies and gentlemen, that's Kendrick Perkins.

Speaker 12:
[56:05] Perk.

Speaker 1:
[56:06] He should be here.

Speaker 2:
[56:08] He's a big NFL draft guy.

Speaker 1:
[56:10] Nah, just him around.

Speaker 2:
[56:12] Yeah, I just agree.

Speaker 3:
[56:13] Good vibes.

Speaker 1:
[56:13] Now, he's a slow mover, though. He does not walk fast.

Speaker 2:
[56:17] No, he doesn't.

Speaker 3:
[56:18] Those old school basketball guys, those knees.

Speaker 1:
[56:21] We're slow talking. We're slow moving. But the vibes, through the roof.

Speaker 3:
[56:25] Immaculate.

Speaker 1:
[56:26] Love perk. Love that he's back. Shout out to the NBA. Shout out to you, Schrags, too, brother. I loved it.

Speaker 9:
[56:30] Guys, cannot wait for tonight and tomorrow.

Speaker 1:
[56:32] Oh, yeah. Tonight's a big one.

Speaker 9:
[56:34] Awesome night tonight.

Speaker 1:
[56:34] Hey, you're going to have to get through some adversity, get to the building.

Speaker 3:
[56:38] But it's worth it. Big time.

Speaker 9:
[56:41] I'm willing to navigate.

Speaker 1:
[56:42] Right over there. We appreciate it. It's right there. Cayman Science Center is on the other side. It's hard to get in here, though. They got everything shut down. Hosting an event there. You know, event says people are coming. Turns out they want no people coming. We'll make it happen. It's football time. We're back on the other side. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.

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Speaker 15:
[58:19] Football!

Speaker 1:
[58:20] It is spectacular, and obviously the four men on this stage that chanted the sport that has changed all of our lives will change the trajectory of families tomorrow night here as Roger Goodell will announce 32 new NFL superstars. Football is the greatest sport on earth, and this is a massive celebration of the city that embodies it as a whole. The Football Town, which is a NFL Films.

Speaker 8:
[58:45] You all right, Chef?

Speaker 1:
[58:46] You good, Chef? He's got it.

Speaker 2:
[58:48] Sitting on the wire.

Speaker 15:
[58:49] Yep, don't mind me.

Speaker 1:
[58:53] This guy's playing bongos on, listen up.

Speaker 2:
[58:57] The wire's stuck on the microphone.

Speaker 15:
[58:58] Carry on, Pat.

Speaker 2:
[59:03] There we go.

Speaker 8:
[59:03] There we go, okay.

Speaker 1:
[59:05] Are you good?

Speaker 15:
[59:06] I think so.

Speaker 1:
[59:07] Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN, Adam Schefter.

Speaker 15:
[59:12] That's an entrance. That's an entrance.

Speaker 1:
[59:14] Schefter, will you break this news? Tomorrow, 7 p.m., to start the draft spectacular, the seventh annual draft spectacular, we will be running The Football Town, which is the movie that NFL Films pieced together alongside Lionsgate film, I do believe. I think Skydance was probably involved. Pittsburgh Steelers were involved. And I was the one that was chosen somehow to voice it over in honor of a lifetime. I've only seen the first five minutes of it. Oh, that's it. I'll be watching all of it tonight at the Arangos Giant Theater that the Cayman Science Center has. This movie was made for the Science Center, literally for the theater that we're going to. It's a massive screen. So we're having a little event tonight to watch it. It will be my first time seeing it. Pretty emotional when I saw the first five minutes. They sent me over as a teaser. The fact that I'm a part of it was pretty emotional day for me, actually, because there's so many people from Pittsburgh that could obviously be the voice of this particular thing. Tells the story of Pittsburgh, tells the story of our people, tells the story of everything that these hills are about, and we'll be playing it live tomorrow to kick our Thursday to... Oh, yeah, it is tomorrow. Geez, it's already Wednesday. That'll be tomorrow to kick off the Draft Spectacular at 7 p.m. So we're very thankful for the opportunity. We'll be watching it tonight. And yeah, I think it'll be a good little precursor for what's about to come here in Pittsburgh as the next generation of draft picks get announced. Tone Digs is here. Ty Schmidt is here. AJ Hawk is here. Darius J. Butler is here. Schefter, that's who you'll be speaking to on this particular stage. Let's talk about the draft. Let's talk about some moves that are potentially being made. Right now, what are you doing with your life? We just talked to Bino. Bino's gone through some mocks, trying to figure out what he could potentially have to do. Schrager just launched his last mock into the sun this morning at espn.com. So he's getting a lot of follow up there. What are you doing on this day? And what do you think we need to keep an eye out for?

Speaker 15:
[61:01] You know, it was about this very time last year I got a call that the trade between the Browns and Jaguars was being discussed. It was like literally at this time somebody called me like, you've freed about 1230. I'm like, yeah, I'm free. And you don't forget these things. And every year there are events that happen that you're not expecting. It could be a video of a prospect that's unveiled with a gas mask. It could be a trade that comes down that you get wind of in the works 24 hours in advance. It could be that we're trying to figure out where a certain quarterback is going to go. And lo and behold, he goes in the fifth round with 144th overall selection to the interest of everybody. You never know exactly what is going to turn into the story of that draft. And that is waiting to be written in this particular draft. We just don't know what it's going to be yet. And so honestly, I've made some calls, calls coming in. We'll see where it goes. We're just waiting to see which is the issue that takes off. Where there won't be, say, water under the bridge, as Connor likes to say, you know, there'll be a live issue.

Speaker 1:
[62:10] You can turn your mic on, Connor. I think you do have one over there. I don't know who is in control of that particular microphone, but only so many seats. One of the boys has to get up. Connor's over in the corner, has a headset on, can chirp in at any time, I do believe, if they were to turn it on. Shut up, Shifty. There it is, thank you. He passed out on a steel curtain yesterday. We have it on camera. He's actually dead body on a roller coaster yesterday. We're happy he's okay, actually. It's kind of a modern miracle that he's here, to be honest.

Speaker 3:
[62:34] That's Kennywood, baby. They deliver.

Speaker 1:
[62:36] That is Kennywood football and always delivers, just like you do, Schefter. Okay, so you're saying the pen is yet to write the story of this particular draft. Correct. Is there any inklings on what it could be? Could be a team trading a player like AJ Brown. I know it's not until June 1st, but is there any other potential trades that are maybe being cooked that we could foresee? Are there any players that maybe will be on the move as somebody much like Beano just brought up? He was at 21. He had to move up to 12 to be able to move up to seven to get Josh Allen. So he had to trade a player during the draft. A lot of people seemingly want to trade back. Do we have any superstar trades potentially on the horizon on draft day or any big time announcements on draft day ahead?

Speaker 15:
[63:12] Well, that's what we're waiting to see.

Speaker 1:
[63:13] So you have no idea.

Speaker 15:
[63:15] Right now, you can't say there's some huge event that is waiting to unfold here. No, we have the draft. We have the draft. And then there are all the things that come from that, off that. I don't know what that's going to be. And I'm sure there's going to be trades this weekend. Like, could Kaishan Booty get traded? That could happen this weekend. Could Keon Coleman get traded this weekend? That could happen. There's always veterans that could be traded in a weekend like this, always. But those wouldn't qualify as the storylines that steal the weekend, right? It's going to be a certain player. It's going to be a certain team. It's going to be a move somebody makes. That's what I'm talking about. Now, I know we've talked a lot about the Dallas Cowboys coming up. I think they could wind up coming up, but it's cost prohibitive to come up to a Spotlight 3, say. I just don't know. I don't know what that's for. What are they coming up for? I think there will be two guys that they come up for. Orville Reese, Sonny Stiles. I think those would be the two guys that would interest that franchise. Are they going to be around those players long enough for them to be able to make a move to come up high enough?

Speaker 1:
[64:23] Say at six. And? Cowboys have done that. 2012, they trade from 14 to six to get DB. Morris-Clayborn out of LSU. So maybe the Cowboys make a similar move to tomorrow night. That would be the storyline if Jerry Jones was wheeling and dealing in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 15:
[64:42] For that to happen, you'd have to have Stiles and Reese last till six. I don't know that that's going to happen.

Speaker 1:
[64:48] How about Caleb Downs?

Speaker 15:
[64:50] Caleb Downs, I think, will be a top ten pick. Does he go five, as high as five, to the Giants? Does he go as low as ten to the Giants? I could see...

Speaker 1:
[65:02] Sounds like Caleb... The Giant, okay.

Speaker 2:
[65:04] I know Giants fans want Stiles at five, they want Downs at ten.

Speaker 15:
[65:09] Depending on how the draft goes, I think if love goes three, if Arizona can't trade out, if Arizona can't trade out and Arizona does go love at three, then Tennessee sitting there, I think Stiles is a logical pick there at four. So you see him go four and then Reese is there at five. And then that's interesting.

Speaker 2:
[65:31] I have a question off of that. So that's what Treggs had mocked this morning.

Speaker 15:
[65:34] Yep.

Speaker 2:
[65:34] Does that mean Thibodeau is on the trade block then, if that happens?

Speaker 15:
[65:37] I think if they get Reese in the draft, I think they'd be listening.

Speaker 2:
[65:40] Okay.

Speaker 15:
[65:41] I think they'd be listening.

Speaker 6:
[65:42] Schefter, what about the Chiefs? I know we're not used to them. They have two first-rounders. Is there a chance that they try to make a splash and jump up there for somebody?

Speaker 15:
[65:49] I had that conversation with a few people yesterday. They have looked as much at going back in the draft as they have going up in the draft. Even though they right now have 9 and 29, they have made calls and gotten calls from teams behind them that have just checked in about coming up and they don't know how it's gonna go yet, right? Like which team would it be that would come up? I think we're gonna get a lot of activity in the second half of the draft. There are a lot of teams willing to move out.

Speaker 1:
[66:22] Second half of the first round?

Speaker 15:
[66:23] Second half of the first round.

Speaker 6:
[66:24] It's because they don't think there's 32 first rounders.

Speaker 15:
[66:26] And everybody's got their own desire. Everybody's got their own desire.

Speaker 1:
[66:29] All airs attacks. That could be the story of the weekend.

Speaker 6:
[66:31] It was 83?

Speaker 15:
[66:33] No? I don't know. I'm trying to see what this is. We got something going on here. Let's see.

Speaker 6:
[66:36] Just disgusting. Something terrible.

Speaker 15:
[66:41] Okay. There's gonna be a whole run of offensive linemen that come off the board tomorrow night. A whole run. What are you looking at me for like that, Pat?

Speaker 1:
[66:50] I just looked over your shoulder. I was looking at your phone.

Speaker 2:
[66:52] Over under seven and a half.

Speaker 1:
[66:53] I feel like I saw a lot of things.

Speaker 15:
[66:54] Seven and a half? I'd take the over on offensive linemen.

Speaker 2:
[66:57] I would as well.

Speaker 1:
[66:58] Over.

Speaker 2:
[66:58] There's seven tackles plus Vega from Penn State.

Speaker 1:
[67:01] How about corners? What's that over under?

Speaker 2:
[67:03] Four and a half.

Speaker 15:
[67:05] Four and a half? That's interesting.

Speaker 2:
[67:06] That's very...

Speaker 1:
[67:07] Everybody thinks that's real high.

Speaker 2:
[67:09] The under is minus 700. Why don't they move the line, DraftKings? I assume they think four is going to go, so they can't make it three and a half, because then they would just have to make the over of three and a half minus...

Speaker 1:
[67:20] Are we getting the crown there? Because we're of age.

Speaker 15:
[67:23] Colton Hood, I think he'll go.

Speaker 2:
[67:26] Mansour Delaney?

Speaker 15:
[67:27] Mansour Delaney, no. I think that Damond...

Speaker 2:
[67:32] McCoy. Dermot McCoy.

Speaker 15:
[67:33] Dermot McCoy.

Speaker 8:
[67:35] Chris Johnson?

Speaker 15:
[67:36] Chris Johnson has a chance. Who would be the fifth? When they say four and a half, who's the fifth corner? Pounds?

Speaker 1:
[67:42] Ponds.

Speaker 15:
[67:43] Ponds?

Speaker 1:
[67:44] Ponds does pond people. Like if I saw Ponds play, I'd be like, as I say, a Ponds.

Speaker 2:
[67:52] Oh, I'm blanking on it right now. Chris Johnson. Oh, maybe on Terrell or something like that. But he's kind of falling back.

Speaker 1:
[68:01] Why don't you figure you're the one that's supposed to be giving these answers?

Speaker 15:
[68:05] I think offensive line will be the most drafted position in the first round. Boy, that's a lot of cornerbacks, four and a half.

Speaker 2:
[68:12] That's why it's high. Under's minus 700.

Speaker 15:
[68:15] That seems high to me. A little high, but it's such a coveted position.

Speaker 1:
[68:18] It is a coveted position. Quarterback coveted position as well. Everybody's telling me Ty Simpson's a Cardinal.

Speaker 15:
[68:26] It wouldn't be a shock if that happened. I think going in, that's the most likely scenario. But I will say this. Last year, we would have thought that Shador Sanders going to the Pittsburgh Steelers was probably the most likely scenario. The New York Giants. It didn't happen that way. So, teams aren't showing their full cards to you. You don't know exactly. There's a lot of noise in the echo chamber that we're all hearing. People are hearing the same things. And what I love is Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, the moment of truth. We get to see if the Cardinals really are into Ty Simpson, because a lot of people think they would have some level of interest.

Speaker 1:
[69:00] You are the echo chamber, though, aren't you? You and Schrags and Daniel Jeremiah and Rapaport teammate.

Speaker 4:
[69:06] Rap Sheet and Palisero.

Speaker 1:
[69:08] Palisero. You guys are kind of the echo chamber. We've asked you about this every single year. Like, how do you know you're not getting played just for draft week? And you go, I think I built up relationships with you people that they won't just lie to me. Isn't that kind of the case, though? Because everybody just assumes that the game of the draft now, because everybody kind of understands draft a little bit more, is that people are working. And the way they're working is getting messages and narratives out and everything like that. And that would be through you. You have to really monitor that, don't you? I mean, we're talking about like careers and public stories. Again, I feel like you want to say, I don't want to have to go ahead and tell you about my credibility.

Speaker 15:
[69:40] No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not. I just feel like people are going to talk to you. And the things that they want to hold close to the vest, they just won't share. They're just not going to tell you sometimes. But they're not going to lie. I don't think they're lying.

Speaker 1:
[69:53] What about CJ Stratton? What was that score?

Speaker 2:
[69:55] The S2?

Speaker 1:
[69:56] Yeah, the S2. Yeah, the S2 test score.

Speaker 2:
[69:57] It kind of disappeared a bit.

Speaker 1:
[69:59] It has stopped kind of being talked about. But those things that are kind of leak, like the negative stuff, do you, like if it's coming to you and you're picking and choosing on what you want to break, do you have to think like, well, this might be a ploy right here to potentially get something? Does that make sense?

Speaker 15:
[70:14] I don't know. I know exactly what you're saying. Yeah, I think you have to be selective. There's a lot of stuff you hear all the time about players. And I would say almost always, I don't use the majority of it. I just kind of hold on to it because I always feel like these players should go where they're going to go. And then after, like I remember as an example, Shaq Lawson, Rex's coach, I think Rex's coach there, I knew he needed shoulder surgery. They drafted him. I popped on the camera. I'm like, hey, they drafted a guy, great talent, has a chance for great, he's gonna need shoulder surgery here at some point in the near future. And they asked Rex about it. And he's like, you don't need no shoulder surgery. A week later, he had the shoulder surgery. I mean, I want these young men who have worked so hard for this moment to go where they are. Like, so if you're hearing things, and there are a lot of things you hear a lot of different people, I don't, I generally speaking, don't use that stuff.

Speaker 1:
[71:08] I appreciate that. I think as a former player, I appreciate that mightily, because if the team didn't find that out, why are you, ESPN insider, being the one doing the research for this is on you. Is it your job now precedent every single year that you have to tell everybody about every, I mean, that would be a weird precedent. I like that you did that for him. Thank you for that. Now, did you do that for Alec Pierce on our free agent friend?

Speaker 15:
[71:29] Yeah, I knew, I knew that he needed ankle surgery.

Speaker 1:
[71:32] Did you really?

Speaker 15:
[71:33] But I don't want to do anything to damage his earning power with Indianapolis.

Speaker 1:
[71:37] Of course.

Speaker 15:
[71:38] And so we left it alone.

Speaker 1:
[71:40] You actually knew he needed that ankle surgery?

Speaker 15:
[71:43] I might have known.

Speaker 1:
[71:46] You let me do a full dance, didn't I?

Speaker 8:
[71:48] Open show?

Speaker 1:
[71:49] I did a full song and dance.

Speaker 2:
[71:50] He's going to be fine.

Speaker 15:
[71:51] Did you tell me? Three months. Did you tell me that you were coming hard to use that information right away with the contract?

Speaker 1:
[71:59] I did.

Speaker 15:
[72:00] I did. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[72:02] And also, other times, I put the eyeballs out. I think I make it very clear whenever I know something's happening. Okay, so maybe turn on the notis, pal, okay, for those particular tweets as you potentially.

Speaker 15:
[72:14] Oh, we have some here.

Speaker 4:
[72:15] Oh, oh, oh.

Speaker 8:
[72:16] Send it out. Send the tweet.

Speaker 15:
[72:18] Oh, boy. Steven Jones just announced that they will make George Pickens plan to the tag this year and that there'll be no long-term deal.

Speaker 4:
[72:29] That's not good.

Speaker 15:
[72:30] Oh, here. By the way, here we go. There's one story line for the week.

Speaker 8:
[72:34] That's a big one.

Speaker 1:
[72:34] Because if they're going to trade and move.

Speaker 6:
[72:36] If they trade him, though, is he a trade candidate during the draft?

Speaker 1:
[72:39] Yeah, if they want to move up high, right?

Speaker 15:
[72:41] If they are.

Speaker 1:
[72:42] No, hold on.

Speaker 15:
[72:42] You can't trade George Pickens without him signing the franchise tender. And he's not going to sign it unless he agrees to go somewhere else that would potentially reward him.

Speaker 6:
[72:52] So he could definitely get traded.

Speaker 1:
[72:53] So they got eight minutes to figure that out somewhere.

Speaker 6:
[72:55] Why wouldn't he sign if he's pissed at them for not giving an extension? He could easily sign that. Say, yeah, shit me out of here. I want a long term deal from someone else.

Speaker 1:
[73:01] Who's his agent? Moola Getz is his agent? He'll get a deal before he gets signed or traded. Yep. George Pickens' bank account is about to be gigantic. And this news right here just kind of certified that for me because now there's an opportunity for there to be a little competition for his thing. Congrats to George Pickens, okay?

Speaker 2:
[73:21] Hell yeah. Maybe.

Speaker 1:
[73:24] Huh?

Speaker 2:
[73:24] Maybe. I mean that says you're playing under the tag.

Speaker 1:
[73:27] And Moola Getz is his agent.

Speaker 2:
[73:29] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[73:29] So I will tell you he is not playing under a tag.

Speaker 2:
[73:34] That's kind of what I'm saying. He might not play football this year.

Speaker 14:
[73:37] Oh, he'll play football.

Speaker 1:
[73:39] He'll play football somewhere and I think he's going to get paid somewhere probably if I had to guess. And I think Jerry, who says we have Maca, he's one football player. We trade him. We're able to get more football players.

Speaker 2:
[73:52] See, that's Jerry's. That's how Jerry does it.

Speaker 1:
[73:54] They got Maca. We don't. We tied.

Speaker 4:
[73:56] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[73:57] I don't know how much more I got to say. He'll do that with George, too.

Speaker 4:
[73:59] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[74:00] Oh, I'll do it with George. You don't want to play your franchise tag. It's a lot of money. You don't be a cowboy. They'll trade him. Will they not?

Speaker 15:
[74:07] I'm going to say this to you right now.

Speaker 1:
[74:08] OK, yeah, your journalism here, we are punditry right now. I feel like George getting traded to somewhere else. Mulligeth is the agent. There's no way he's going to play under a franchise tag. So there's no way he's going to take a year off. So that sounds like George.

Speaker 15:
[74:22] They traded a third round pick for him last year. And there was not a lot of teams out there that were willing to compensate the Steelers. So what can you get back for a player that right now isn't going to be signed to a long term deal? Again, this just became the first interesting storyline of draft week right here, as we're sitting here with Stephen Jones saying that. And so that brings back up the possibility, if we go back to a draft about five years ago, Dallas Cowboys had other needs. CD. Lamb was sitting there. They had at that time Amari Cooper and Michael Gallup playing wide receiver, and they took CD. Lamb because he was the best player on the board. They'd love to go defensive players, but I will say this, I think they like Jordan Tyson too. And if Jordan Tyson were to make it to 12, that would be an interesting decision for the Dallas Cowboys to have to make.

Speaker 2:
[75:08] Yeah, especially because for top 30 visits, they brought in about every defensive player they could for that could potentially go in the first round.

Speaker 1:
[75:14] George Pickens can get open, right?

Speaker 2:
[75:15] Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[75:18] George Pickens potentially on the move with the news that he is going to be asked to play under the franchise tag, which we just assume would not happen.

Speaker 15:
[75:27] By the way, and I love this, this is one of my favorite things about doing the show, the NFL executive texts me right now, must be watching the show, I would bet my life savings on under four and a half quarterbacks.

Speaker 1:
[75:38] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[75:39] All right.

Speaker 1:
[75:39] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[75:40] One of them I thought trading Stukes, so I know you're a big fan of Schefter. Maybe he sneaks in the last one, but yeah, everyone's thinking under four.

Speaker 1:
[75:46] I guess President Bill Clinton showed up at the Cowboys pre-draft press conference.

Speaker 2:
[75:51] Really?

Speaker 1:
[75:52] I guess he just popped his head in as they're doing their thing. From my understanding, this is what Ari Mirov has tweeted. Yep, there he is.

Speaker 4:
[76:00] The hell's he doing there?

Speaker 2:
[76:01] President Bush was at the Buccos game last night. He was.

Speaker 1:
[76:03] Yeah, I saw that. The Rangers?

Speaker 2:
[76:05] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[76:05] Yeah, I believe I was watching that. President Clinton just walked into the Dallas Cowboys pre-draft press conference. I wonder if he's making any decisions in there. A lot of news. A lot of news happening over there. Okay, let's ask some more information out of the man who has all the information. D-Bud has a question for you, Chef.

Speaker 8:
[76:23] I just want to ask you, you talked about the Cleveland-Jacksonville trade kind of brewing up at this point in time. How much has it changed for you and how the teams operate behind the scenes leading up to the draft as far as action, trades, information, all this? How much has it changed, let's say, in the last 20 years, in 2006 and now in 2016?

Speaker 15:
[76:40] Well, I think that teams have begun to operate knowing that as soon as something's in place, they know that it's not going to be long before it's out there. And part of these discussions is figuring out how you're going to handle the fallout once it gets out and how it's going to get out and when it's going to get out. So I just think with all the attention, that may be the only change, but and there are more trades than ever before. By the way, I think there have been so far this year since the start of the new league year when we were in Indianapolis, 23 trades. More trades this year from the start of the league year till now than ever before. So I think teams are more willing to make trades. There's more people are used to making these trades. They're preparing for these trades and the fallout that comes along with it. It's just a much busier time.

Speaker 1:
[77:24] How do you think Gadel is going to do tomorrow? Got any tidbits on how he's going to speak? Is he really flowing right now?

Speaker 6:
[77:30] Chest bumps and good daps, you think, with all the players?

Speaker 15:
[77:32] You know, I'll say this. This morning, I could not sleep. I was just kind of wired.

Speaker 8:
[77:35] Yeah. So, of course, same.

Speaker 15:
[77:37] Went to the gym about 5.15 this morning.

Speaker 1:
[77:39] No big deal.

Speaker 6:
[77:40] No big deal.

Speaker 15:
[77:41] 5.30. There's only one guy in there. Actually, there's a couple of guys.

Speaker 6:
[77:44] 2.25. 2.27, I heard.

Speaker 15:
[77:45] Roger Gadel.

Speaker 11:
[77:46] Okay. Wow.

Speaker 15:
[77:47] In there.

Speaker 6:
[77:47] Did you spot him? Did you spot him on the bench?

Speaker 2:
[77:49] AJ was in there at 4.30.

Speaker 1:
[77:51] Yeah, they don't put us in.

Speaker 15:
[77:52] He was done. AJ was done. He had come and gone.

Speaker 1:
[77:54] They don't put us in your guy's hotel. That's what I've learned over the last couple of trips.

Speaker 15:
[77:57] Yeah, definitely not.

Speaker 1:
[77:58] Let's keep them in there. Keep them in there.

Speaker 2:
[78:01] Oh, Roger's at this hotel? Let's put them in that one.

Speaker 1:
[78:03] It sounds like, I think we're in the opposite hotel normally of where ESPN royalty is as well. Smart decision. Smart decision, by the way. I didn't know that the hotel that we're staying in existed. I should have been staying in that hotel since the day I left Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2:
[78:21] That's a good hotel.

Speaker 1:
[78:21] I was staying in Super 8 and shit. Okay, I was staying in shitty hotels.

Speaker 2:
[78:25] That's kind of on you.

Speaker 1:
[78:28] I mean, there's a Weston down here I stayed in once or twice. This hotel, we're in history. We're at a place.

Speaker 15:
[78:35] Yeah, I know where you are.

Speaker 6:
[78:36] Beautiful.

Speaker 2:
[78:36] My senior prom was there. Wow.

Speaker 6:
[78:38] How'd it go?

Speaker 2:
[78:40] Not great.

Speaker 1:
[78:41] The building was immaculate. I've learned a lot about Pittsburgh history that I didn't know before coming here for this draft week. And then also with The Football Town, which you're coming to, right?

Speaker 15:
[78:53] I am.

Speaker 1:
[78:54] Can't wait to see you there. Hopefully by then you have a little more information.

Speaker 15:
[78:57] Hopefully. Under four and a half cornerbacks.

Speaker 13:
[79:01] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[79:01] All right. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter.

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Speaker 1:
[80:11] That was a crazy ride there looking over his shoulder.

Speaker 6:
[80:13] Thanks, Shafty.

Speaker 1:
[80:15] You know what I mean? I bet.

Speaker 2:
[80:16] Thanks, Shafty.

Speaker 6:
[80:17] What did you see?

Speaker 2:
[80:17] So what was...

Speaker 1:
[80:19] Just like before he opened... He's trying to open up another conversation right now. Just knocked Coach Saban's bottle out of his hands.

Speaker 2:
[80:25] He just bonked heads almost.

Speaker 1:
[80:26] Yeah, he did, absolutely, in this entire thing. I looked at the convo's before he went into the... So I could only see the first sentence of a lot of different convo's. I'm like, wow, is that what it's like every day?

Speaker 2:
[80:37] He will, they'll deal with it.

Speaker 1:
[80:38] Just the amount of people that are just kind of getting...

Speaker 8:
[80:40] And he's got to have name, affiliation. Team. You know, he's got to have so many.

Speaker 1:
[80:45] In the first sentence, it felt like it was a lot of Shafty outs.

Speaker 2:
[80:48] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[80:49] It felt like there was a lot of lines in the water. You know, how we doing? How we doing? A lot of those types of things, but he's definitely working.

Speaker 2:
[80:56] Big game hunt right now.

Speaker 1:
[80:57] Yeah. And right now he's asking coach, say, hey, Ty, you hear anything about? Which is what we're about to do in a matter of seconds. Yeah. Connor's listening in literally right there next to him. Yep. Connor boots on the ground. The conversation between Schefter and ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man who's considered the greatest of all time in college football. When it's all said and done, he might be considered the greatest television personality of all time as well. He sells Benzos. He sells Lambos. Lambos. Benzos.

Speaker 2:
[81:28] Ferraris, probably.

Speaker 1:
[81:29] He's maybe the most sought after speaker in the entire United States of America. He owns the Nashville Predators. What? Ladies and gentlemen, an icon of a man, somebody that we are lucky enough to call a friend of the program. He looks lean. He looks mean. He looks thin. He's the man on College Game Days draft coverage on ABC. Schefter is relentless.

Speaker 4:
[82:02] Oh, yeah. This conversation.

Speaker 1:
[82:03] Ladies and gentlemen, Nick Saban.

Speaker 6:
[82:13] Hey, there he is.

Speaker 1:
[82:18] You're the man. You got some drunkos over here. Yeah, lads, lads, lads, lads. Good to see you guys.

Speaker 2:
[82:26] They're ready. They're doing it already. I love it.

Speaker 1:
[82:28] You know, it's a draft. Hey, here, let me fix that.

Speaker 2:
[82:34] Yeah, Schefter had the same issue.

Speaker 16:
[82:38] Boom. All right.

Speaker 1:
[82:42] All right.

Speaker 16:
[82:43] All right. All right.

Speaker 1:
[82:44] Hey, Schefter was pretty relentless right there. Wait till you hear the intro I just gave you. I had to fill and fill and fill and fill because he was killing you over there. Was he asking about Ty Simpson? Because I want to ask about Ty Simpson. Ty Simpson, number two quarterback in the draft, everybody thinks. Everybody thinks he's going to Arizona, but they're saying he's not worth a high pick. So they think they're going to come in the tail end of the draft. How do you feel about Ty Simpson? How do you feel about kind of this entire draft process for him? And what do you think stands out for him to maybe says he is going to be a great Sunday guy?

Speaker 16:
[83:12] Well, I think Ty Simpson is a guy that didn't play as much in college as a lot of these quarterbacks as they developed. So he's only played, what, 15 games or whatever. And I think maturity would be the word that I would say is important in the development of his game. I think he can throw it well enough. I think he's athletic enough. Decision making, processing, drifting in the pocket. I mean, things that you can improve on with experience, because maturity is nothing more than making the right decision at the right time. And that comes with experience and repetition. He doesn't have enough of that, but he will get it, and I think be a very good player. But he needs to go someplace where he has a chance to develop and not play right away. That's just my opinion.

Speaker 1:
[83:59] But let's talk about every quarterback may be needing that. In the greats of the past, outside of Peyton, Peyton has the rookie interception record, but Tom was behind somebody, Aaron's behind somebody. Was Drew Breeze?

Speaker 2:
[84:12] He, no, Phil was.

Speaker 1:
[84:15] I don't know. Whatever the case, there's a lot of case studies that say if you're able to watch somebody do it, you'll be able to get better. But there's also a conversation about he needs reps. He needs reps like Anthony Richardson. Whenever he got drafted number four overall to the Indianapolis Colts, there was a lot of talk about him never playing football, like really never playing football before. We've seen the highlights. That's all he's played football. So they're talking about, well, he needs to mature. Maybe he needs to watch somebody. But then he also needed reps. It's kind of a, I don't know. I don't know what the right answer is. I genuinely don't know what the right answer is. You would know better than me. But I like somebody seeing it first before they get to go do it. Now that turns to Fernando Mendoza. Okay. Tell me about him going to Las Vegas and seemingly going to start after Kirk Cousins gets in there. Do you think that is a sustainable style of play the way Fernando plays? Everybody talks about the option shit that he did in RPO stuff in college. For some reason, it hasn't been like, hey, this guy is a guy. Convo. What are your thoughts on Fernando?

Speaker 16:
[85:11] Yeah. Well, I'm big on making comparisons. So you go through the scenarios where quarterbacks got to sit behind somebody. And I think the biggest failure rate in the NFL is because quarterbacks play before they should. But if you look at the three guys two years ago, Caleb makes an impact in Chicago. Guy makes a big impact in Washington. Guy makes a big impact. Greg makes a big impact in New England. So those guys played pretty much right away and improved dramatically quickly. But a lot of failures in the NFL play before they're ready at the position, lose their confidence, and then over go to pot. It's over. So I do think if you were going to compare Fernando, you would say he fits more into comparing them to those three guys we just talked about than he does to some of these other guys. He would be in the conversation if he was in that draft. And I agree with you on the RPOs. And but the guy is sneaky athletic, doesn't look athletic, but probably better than he is. He's accurate throwing the ball. He's smart. He's a good decision maker and he's accurate. So those things are really, really important in my opinion. And I think he's got the right mindset and he's improved a lot through his college career. So I'm not saying he won't have some bumps in the road. All right. But I also think that he could be pretty damn good.

Speaker 1:
[86:36] He has beers with the boys too. I think that's a big deal.

Speaker 16:
[86:38] No question.

Speaker 1:
[86:39] I genuinely think that is a big deal. And I assume that Cali maybe wasn't doing that because he talks about how he had to grow as a leader and everything like that. Beers with the boys is a huge sign of success in my eyes, especially if you're able to perform on the field and he's tough as shit. Feels like he is wildly tough. I like Fernando a lot. I like him a lot. But there seemingly hasn't been like a parade for him coming in here as the number one overall pick outside of the Raiders organization.

Speaker 16:
[87:03] Yeah, well, but I also think that that quarterback position is always going to get pushed up if there's a good one. So you could always kind of make an argument maybe for that. But I'm with you on the leadership part of it because I think quarterback is the position that's hardest to play if you don't have good players around you. So if you're not a quarterback that takes responsibility for being a leader to impact the other players on your team, then I think you're hurting yourself.

Speaker 1:
[87:32] And I'm so far from your home. You hear that?

Speaker 16:
[87:37] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[87:41] Oh, they're going to play that when they're on the clock, aren't they?

Speaker 1:
[87:43] Yeah.

Speaker 16:
[87:43] Yeah. That's supposed to be the plan.

Speaker 1:
[87:46] Oh, so you know, you probably got a little run through on how this draft is going to be. Are you excited for the game day draft? How prepped are you? You prep. You over prep for everything. So whenever there is potentially how many days are you doing this? How many days are you doing the draft?

Speaker 16:
[87:59] First and second.

Speaker 1:
[88:00] OK, so that's technically what? 64 picks. Quick math.

Speaker 16:
[88:03] No.

Speaker 1:
[88:04] Second has how many picks?

Speaker 16:
[88:05] There's three rounds, second, third, third, first.

Speaker 1:
[88:08] I knew that. I'm doing a second and third picks on Friday. I knew that. Obviously, I knew that. OK, so that's what? 96 picks total. You did research for what? 500 guys. How do you feel?

Speaker 16:
[88:20] I probably looked at 150 guys. And I'd look at them just like if I was at the Dolphins or the Browns or whatever. And I still have the sheet that we used to evaluate them on critical factors and all that stuff and put all the information on one sheet, try to condense it. So, but there's always guys that pop up that you didn't do.

Speaker 1:
[88:46] I'm bummed out that our draft spectacular happens at the same time that you're on there. We'll watch on Friday night. Get to do it. I assume you crush the draft coverage. I mean, you're perfect for it. D-Bud has a question for you.

Speaker 8:
[88:55] Yeah, you talked about you've been big on comparisons because you've been around so many great players. I want to ask you an example of yours from the past. Maybe a player you coached in college that when they went to the NFL, they kind of hit another level because the NFL game was more geared to their talents. Any personal players that you've had that experience with? And then is there a guy that you see in this draft maybe that will get drafted and really take off at the next level?

Speaker 16:
[89:18] Well, I think Jamar Gibbs is one of those guys that he was a really good player at Alabama, good receiver, productive. But I mean, when he went to the Lions, he did more for their team and he played great for us. I don't mean this in a negative way.

Speaker 1:
[89:36] No, no, no.

Speaker 16:
[89:36] Than he did for our team.

Speaker 1:
[89:37] He became the guy.

Speaker 16:
[89:38] I mean, he became the guy. I see Jeremiah Love as a weapon that, you know, maybe at Notre Dame, he did great things. But on an NFL team, because he could be such a good receiver and a runner and used in so many ways, I mean, you don't have to just play him in the backfield. You can put him out there and make him a wide out. So I think that guy is a guy that, you know, could do those kind of things.

Speaker 1:
[90:06] Caleb Downs.

Speaker 16:
[90:07] Well, Caleb Downs made more players that plays in college than anybody in the draft. All right. So if he makes that many plays in the NFL, I mean, what's the capability gap? I mean, how much better can he get?

Speaker 1:
[90:22] Okay. So that was like when he got to campus. Obviously, he's gotten better and he works his ass off and being with you and Matt, Patricia and everything he's been able to do, obviously makes him an incredible player. A week ago, the convo was, what position is he going to be? Now, it's like he's definitely going to be a top 10 pick because of how talented he is. Josh Chapman told us the day he walked onto your campus, he was gold jacket. It was obvious that this guy is a gold jacket. What have you seen through his college career and what are you excited to say about him tomorrow night whenever he gets drafted in the first round?

Speaker 16:
[90:48] Well, I would say that when he played for us as a freshman, he would have been the first safety taken in the draft. I mean, the guy is so instinctive. He's got really good ability. He is a phenomenal person and he is a football junkie and he is just so instinctive on the field and such a fast reactor. Now, he plays better. Everybody's questions whether he can play in a deep part of the field. He can play in a deep part of the field, but when he's in a deep part of the field and he comes downhill, he's going to bust your ass.

Speaker 1:
[91:22] Yeah, he thumps.

Speaker 16:
[91:24] He's a thumper. And the only negative I would say to him, I talked to him on the phone the other day, and it was the same thing when he played for us. He tries to butt him to the ground. He hits him so hard. I said, How about trying to wrap him up?

Speaker 1:
[91:36] Go ahead, Ty. Go ahead, Ty.

Speaker 4:
[91:37] Coach, what about another guy you had, Kaden Proctor, who I want to say you only had him his freshman year and then you retired. But early in the draft process, a lot of people, you know, killed him for whatever his weight at certain points last year. He's obviously an athletic freak when you look at his measureables. And now as we get closer to the draft, he's kind of gaining a lot more people saying, hey, he could be the first or second tackle taken off the board. What do you expect out of him? And why do you think that kind of change has happened this close to the draft?

Speaker 16:
[92:09] I think people get a little bit more tolerant of these small issues. You know, people look for reasons not to pick guys. All right, that's how it starts. I mean, like players used to tell me all the time, go to the combine and improve my stock. You ain't improving your stock there. They're looking for reasons not to take you, and they're going to find one. All right.

Speaker 1:
[92:32] So do not work out.

Speaker 16:
[92:35] But anyway. But I think the thing is this guy is so talented, big, physical, can move and has power. He's got range, he's got good feet. Now the issue with him is he's not a bad person. He'll do whatever you ask him to do once you get him in the building. But when he's not in the building, he might get a little overweight, he might not come in in the best shape. And those are the kind of things you've got to manage with him. But I think they're manageable. In other words, he's not really a self-starter that's going to go out there and, you know, get in great shape and come to camp like you want him. But if you can get him to come to camp, if you got him there and get him ready to go. So I don't think that's a huge negative for the guy. And I think he's going to be a really good player now. And if he can't play tackle, he would be one hell of a guard. So there's no downside in taking the guy.

Speaker 1:
[93:32] Andrew Whitworth, obviously, LSU legend alongside you. He told us at the beginning of his career in Cincinnati, he was playing guard. And he said he was coming out of the huddle laughing because it was the easiest thing of all time because bodies are just getting sent to your way. So when you have a tackle body and then you don't have to go get people, they're just kind of getting filtered to you. That's dominance. That's why Maki Bekden, whenever he moved to guard, was such a successful player.

Speaker 8:
[93:56] That's a huge transition for players. And this is a big part of why it's a crapshoot in the draft because you mentioned when you're outside of the building. I know for me, I don't know about you, AJ, that was the biggest adjustment for me because in college, everything was so structured. You knew where you need to be, when you need to be there. And as a pro, once that season ends, it's kind of all on you. Okay, when do you schedule your workouts? When do you schedule vacations, family time, all these different things? And then you got to show up at this time of year and OTAs and stuff and be in shape because you don't want to be there tired or having soft tissue or having something like this, can't figure out and get on the field, get those valuable reps. So that is probably the biggest adjustment for becoming a pro. You hear, be a pro, be a pro, be a pro. And it takes a lot of guys a couple of years, a few years, maybe some good vets in their room, good coaches to kind of really bring them along and teach them.

Speaker 16:
[94:41] That same word, maturity. You know, make the right decisions and the right situations. And you're going to make the right choices and decisions in those situations to put yourself in the best chance to be successful.

Speaker 1:
[94:53] Yeah. Maybe don't get arrested on a Tuesday.

Speaker 16:
[94:56] Shit happens.

Speaker 1:
[94:57] Yeah, it happens. This is bye, we coach. Talking about the draft being like a crap shoot. First round hit rate, Hembo kind of gave us a stat. Hit rate means second contract with the team in which you draft. Interior offensive linemen, 60%. Offensive tackle, 60%. Feels like if you're going with a big guy, you can kind of tell if they're going to go. Six out of 10, though. Yeah. That's not a definite, you know, 60% whenever they talk about going for it on the little graphics. They act like that's 100%. Right. It is not. That is a quarterback less than 50%. Linebacker less than 50%. Edge defender, 40% roughly. Defensive tackle, 40%. Running back, 37%. Safety, 34% tight end and wide receiver both at 32%. You're not guaranteed a good player. And that's kind of the craziness of it all. Yeah, especially as of late, it feels like the wide receivers have gotten better. This is from 2000 to 2021. I assume if you were to do the last seven years, maybe six years, the hit rate on wide receivers would be way up because of seven on seven and the way everything kind of went there. But over the last 21 years since the history of the draft, everybody says that the player is going to change their team. Being in a locker room, being a punter on special teams, depending on a lot of these guys that get drafted, there's a lot of ass football players somehow getting into the NFL. Whether it's off field, lack of work ethic, or if it's not understanding ball at a level in which it has to, and maybe just not physically being able to keep up with what the NFL is. There's a lot of misses coming out of this draft tomorrow night. I don't think it's fair that we just call everybody a bust. It's really hard to make it in the league, even if you're drafted in the first round. And I think that the perspective needs to get shifted a little bit when everybody's just like, we'll get this guy. We went to Super Bowl. It's like, stats tell us this guy can be on your team in four years. So let's go ahead and just remember that. But also, there's a chance you find Hall of Famer in there. There's a chance you find a staple and a pillar in there, which is why it's so damn special.

Speaker 4:
[96:53] Well, and it's like, how do you classify bust? Because Darius Hayward-Bey gets drafted in the top 10. And yeah, he may not have been the receiver everyone would expect. But you talk glowingly about him all the time, about him being a Pro Bowl special teamer, you know? So it's like, where is that line defined? You know, yeah, by that account, he wasn't a Pro Bowl wide receiver, but he was crucial to you guys.

Speaker 1:
[97:14] He played a long time.

Speaker 4:
[97:15] Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[97:15] He went to Pittsburgh. They paid him like a lot of money to be a teamer. Yeah, but they would consider him a bust for sure.

Speaker 4:
[97:20] Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1:
[97:21] Love what he did.

Speaker 16:
[97:23] But excellence is success over time. And, you know, when you're a college player, your whole goal in life is to play in the NFL. So you have this built-in motivation. So it's about getting in the NFL or is it about a standard of excellence once you get there? And I think that's what differentiates a lot of psychological disposition that these players have. So they don't just bust because of their athletic ability. They bust because they don't have the right psychological disposition to be motivated to be what they're capable of being. They lose their motivation because they just wanted to play in the NFL rather than being great in the NFL. And there's a difference.

Speaker 1:
[98:08] Oh, definitely. Definitely a difference between having a cup of coffee and actually being a part of the NFL family forever with how long you're able to play. Do you think the NIL now, the kids are rich as teenagers? Changes that a little bit because I think it used to be gold. Let's get to the NFL, get a bag, you know, get money for the first time in their lives, especially if you're a first rounder. AJ still. My God. AJ still. Have you seen his house in Ohio? He's number five overall pick old, old, old, old, old CBA. They gave him. He has this.

Speaker 2:
[98:35] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[98:35] This is his house in Ohio.

Speaker 2:
[98:37] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[98:37] Right here. Because number five overall. But nowadays, these kids are making what? Six and a half million dollars. Some of these first rounders are making at this point. Is that a good thing? I think it's a good thing because we know what people will do with money. Right.

Speaker 16:
[98:48] Don't you think that is kind of the I think that is definitely you asked me about a guy like Proctor. There would be a bigger question in my mind if he never made any money in college. So how does money affect a guy like that?

Speaker 1:
[99:02] Yes.

Speaker 16:
[99:03] There's no question about that because he already has money. So I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 1:
[99:09] I do. I think so, too.

Speaker 16:
[99:10] But I also think that there's it's kind of a two way street. This is one of the older drafts because guys stay in college longer. There's less juniors that come out because they're making money. So you take away the whole financial incentive to come out early, which used to be financial, which no longer exists. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1:
[99:33] Fascinatingly, yes.

Speaker 16:
[99:35] So now you got some 20 year old guys in the draft and you got some 26 year old guys in the draft. And I think that's a huge difference in who you want on your team and how you want to develop them. Now, the good news is if guys are staying in college longer, that's good for their development because they're obviously they're down the line. Guys are going to play and develop more in college than the opportunity they get in the NFL.

Speaker 1:
[99:56] I think the NIL transfer portal era is having a lot of ripple effects that we're only going to continue to see. Thank you for going to White House and saying, we got to fix this shit.

Speaker 16:
[100:05] All right.

Speaker 1:
[100:06] I do appreciate you doing that. AJ has a question for you, Coach.

Speaker 6:
[100:09] Coach, you were talking about evaluating players. Obviously, back in college, I'm sure you're evaluating these high school guys. When you're in the pros, you're evaluating college. You mentioned critical factors. What are some of those critical factors you do evaluate? Have those changed over time?

Speaker 16:
[100:22] Yeah. Well, the first guy that I really learned this from was how Belichick, when I was with him, how we evaluated players. He defined the kind of players that we wanted in the organization. Character, intelligence, size, speed. And what are the critical factors that play that position in our system? Now, I always coach the DB, so I'll give you that, because that's what I'm more expert at. So a guy's got to be able to tackle, play the ball in the deep part of the field, play man to man. Those are three critical factors. Now, you may have 25 things that you evaluate. Quick feet, change of direction, burst out of a break, how does he open his hips, all this kind of stuff, to determine those three things. But if you watch the film and a guy misjudges the ball, on the deep ball, or he's missing a lot of tackles, when you're a DB, those are all big plays. If you can't play man to man, you can't get your ass off the field on third down. Can't have it. Won't win with it. But every position had that kind of, now that's not all you looked at, but those were like killers. If we got to play a guy that can't judge a ball in the deep part of the field or corner, he's going to give up a lot of the place. Yeah, we don't want that guy. And then, you know, Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick, they were big people. You know, you've heard me say before on TV, you know, football is a great game for little people until you put a big guy in front of them. You've heard me say that before, right? Yeah, it's the same way a corner. I mean, you got a little corner and he's playing against a big receiver. It's like a power. They play that shit in the NBA, man. As soon as they come across half court, if a big guy's on a little guy, they're giving the ball a big guy, right?

Speaker 1:
[102:08] Yes.

Speaker 16:
[102:09] Same thing.

Speaker 1:
[102:09] Well, how do you feel about Ponds? Feel about Ponds.

Speaker 16:
[102:12] Ponds is a great football player. He might be pound for pound as good a football player as there is in the draft. But he's going to have a hard time playing corner in this league because of matchup issues. But I think the guy would be a really good star. You know, Javier Arenas was that kind of player. He played for a while in the league, but he was a good star. He was one of those five, nine guys that was explosive, powerful, good tackler, smart, aggressive, good blitzer. Ponds is all those things. But if you put him out there at corner, somebody's going to try to figure out how to take advantage of him.

Speaker 1:
[102:46] Yeah, I feel like that is the game. Ultimately, D, but you had you got drafted at a high second round. Yeah, Belichick, three disqualifiers. I just learned you have they didn't worry about the weak hands.

Speaker 8:
[102:58] I agree. They read my workout. I actually did a workout as a corner first. Then I did a wide receiver workout. So they knew the hands were elite.

Speaker 1:
[103:06] They one they call digs as a question for you, coach.

Speaker 2:
[103:10] Yeah, coach, you just brought up coach Belichick and we had him on here two or three years ago. And his big thing for the whole draft was sticking to your horizontal draft board. Okay. So you being obviously you've looked at all these players and you've been a coach in the draft room and how important though is it the dynamic with the head coach and the GM and then sticking to the board when you're on the clock and not doing something stupid? Because I know there's a lot of voices in that room.

Speaker 16:
[103:35] Yeah. Well, I think it's really important. I've all you've heard me talk about vertical integration in the NFL from the owner to the president, the GM, the coaches, to the staff. So you get the right kind of players. If the GM wants this kind of player and the coach wants this kind of player, it's not going to fit systematically and somebody is going to get fired. Most of the time, it's the coach. Because the GM is sitting in the press box telling the owner what he wants to hear. I mean, and you're on the sidelines as a coach trying to win the game.

Speaker 1:
[104:07] Yeah, of course.

Speaker 16:
[104:08] Good luck.

Speaker 1:
[104:08] So politicking is always happening.

Speaker 16:
[104:11] So it is critical. And look, one thing we never had to do in college is we just had to say, these are the five best offensive tackles that we're recruiting. Here's the five best corners because we could take more guys.

Speaker 1:
[104:22] Yeah.

Speaker 16:
[104:23] But in the NFL, having the board horizontally, is this offensive tackle better than this corner? And you did that by having a nine point grading system. This guy might be a 7.5, the corner may be a 7.2. So who are we picking? We're going to take the tackle for value because he's a better player long term. Or we need the corner. And those are the kind of decisions you've got to make. And when you're not on the same page, they get really hard to make.

Speaker 1:
[104:48] We got some hembo stats here on the history, or on this particular draft for most amount of picks here. The Jets are the only team with four top 50 picks. They can really do some damage. I remember they did not take David Bailey on one of their top 30 visits. They said they knew everything about him already. Fascinating. The Dolphins are the only team with more than five top 100 picks. Good luck to them. They're going to need them. Ain't that right, Gumpi?

Speaker 2:
[105:12] Sully's at the wheel. We're good to go.

Speaker 1:
[105:15] Coach Saban also pulling for the Dolphins, obviously, always.

Speaker 8:
[105:17] That could be seven starters.

Speaker 1:
[105:19] Yeah, maybe could be, should be. Going to have to be probably for your guys' team. You got rid of all your good players over the last couple of years. The Broncos are the only team without multiple top hunter picks. Sean Payton sitting there on the ice yesterday. Yeah. Right there on the ice.

Speaker 2:
[105:31] He's got nothing to do for a couple of days.

Speaker 1:
[105:33] He almost got glass on him. He almost got shards on him as he's hanging out watching the call row. Avalanche, who might be the real deal. The Preds are predators in the playoffs?

Speaker 16:
[105:42] No. I had a chance to get in, went four or five and won in the last 10 games and missed it by two points or however they do it in hockey.

Speaker 1:
[105:52] How do you feel about the season? How do you feel about the hockey season?

Speaker 16:
[105:55] Were you in the building? I'm anxious to see how we can build the program just like we built programs in other places and we get the right people in the organization. It's kind of exciting.

Speaker 1:
[106:05] Have you shot a puck yet?

Speaker 16:
[106:07] No, I haven't been to a game yet either.

Speaker 6:
[106:10] Can you skate?

Speaker 16:
[106:11] No.

Speaker 6:
[106:12] Have you tried?

Speaker 16:
[106:13] You've been to West Virginia, man. Where would you stay in West Virginia?

Speaker 1:
[106:17] We ain't got, wait, is he a speed skater? The guy's going straight downhill. You're going to have to stop. He's jumping. Could have at some point. Can't wait to see you at a Predators game. Can't wait to see you do your thing for the draft coverage. Thank you so much for taking time out of your life to join us today. You look good. You're super fit right now, huh? You feel good?

Speaker 16:
[106:35] Yeah, I'm playing a lot of golf.

Speaker 1:
[106:36] How's the game?

Speaker 16:
[106:38] Sometimes good, sometimes bad, man. That's a metaphor of life, that game. I mean, you know, I mean, you hit a good shot. You got to deal with success. You hit a bad shot. You got to deal with failure and focus on the next shot. And if you don't focus on every shot, you get punished. I mean, it's a damnedest thing.

Speaker 8:
[106:53] That's golf, baby.

Speaker 1:
[106:54] That's golf. That is golf football. What's bad for you? What's bad? You said some days good, some days bad. What's bad?

Speaker 16:
[107:01] Oh, well, some days I can't putt. Some days I can't hit straight off the team.

Speaker 1:
[107:05] 80? Bad?

Speaker 16:
[107:07] I've shot my age three times.

Speaker 1:
[107:09] When's the most recent time?

Speaker 2:
[107:11] You shot 68 recently?

Speaker 16:
[107:12] About a week ago. 73. I'm 74 years old. I told you, you get the easier. Hit the number. So you're late 60s.

Speaker 1:
[107:20] You're 74 right now?

Speaker 16:
[107:22] I actually shot 82 at Augusta about a month ago.

Speaker 11:
[107:24] That's pretty goddamn good.

Speaker 16:
[107:25] I was nine over on the front and one over on the back. Wow.

Speaker 1:
[107:30] It's the second. The second.

Speaker 16:
[107:32] Went through Amen Corner 100.

Speaker 8:
[107:34] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[107:35] But you birdie to part three or what? Or did you part?

Speaker 16:
[107:38] Birdie to 12. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[107:39] Wow. Second 12 or second nine, not back nine. I think you're good there forever because of who you are. But if I was to get that wrong, I'm potentially, you know what I mean? So let's make sure we get the words right. Patrons.

Speaker 16:
[107:49] They don't have that kind of expectation for me, though.

Speaker 1:
[107:52] Yeah, you're a southern god. Yeah, I understand how it works down there as they should. You're the man, ladies and gentlemen, the GOAT, Coach Saban.

Speaker 3:
[107:59] Thank you, Coach. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 16:
[108:01] Good to see you all again.

Speaker 3:
[108:02] Good to see you, Coach.

Speaker 1:
[108:12] Okay, you guys better stand up. Yeah, boys, good work there, boys. Standing up for the coach. Miss Amy, see you later. Great seeing you. Yep, you're the best. Thank you so much. Feels like the draft is really starting to heat up. We had Brett Michaels playing earlier. We had, see ya, coach. How about coach, see ya, coach. How about him coming in here and just, Schefter just going, let me stop you right here. Pick your brain for. One half, Toxic Table at Boston Connors back. You were right in the middle of that convo. Was Schefter trying to get as much information as possible out of coach Saban right there?

Speaker 3:
[108:43] Yeah, after seeing how Schefter works, I have a completely different perspective on him. He's a true shark. Eye to eye, he got real, real close to Nick Saban's face. So you know the information that he was looking for was serious, but yeah, that was a high football IQ conversation from one side. The other side was just questions. Hey, tell me more.

Speaker 1:
[109:03] Yeah, he was kind of downloading everything.

Speaker 3:
[109:05] Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[109:05] That's kind of what Schefter was doing.

Speaker 8:
[109:06] Speaking of high football conversation, something Saban said when he was talking about the star position. A lot of people at home probably don't know what that is. Kind of like a nickel slot defender. So think Derwin James, Cooper DeGene, Nicky Manwari, Devin Weatherspoon out in Seattle, who I think him being as successful as he's been will help D'Angelo Pons, probably draft stock tomorrow night.

Speaker 1:
[109:29] Troy Palamalu, original.

Speaker 8:
[109:31] Troy played everywhere. Seawood, you know, those guys. And Caleb Downs, I can see him playing his position as well because those guys can just impact so much of the game. They communicate with linebackers, corners, safeties, linemen sometimes. They can blitz. They're immediately, they're going to make your run game and your pass game better. So you get a guy like this in the building, they're obviously never going to come off the field. They're like a chess piece on defense. So you see the last two Super Bowl champs, Cooper DeGene, Nicky Manwari. That was two of their best players playing at one of the most critical in my opinion positions.

Speaker 1:
[110:02] The Queen chess piece.

Speaker 8:
[110:03] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[110:04] Yeah. It's not the stupid horse one that's an L.

Speaker 4:
[110:07] No, not a knight.

Speaker 8:
[110:08] That'll sneak up on you now.

Speaker 4:
[110:09] Not a rook.

Speaker 1:
[110:10] Yeah, careful. But I'm saying that one's just running it in route the whole time. We're talking that these stars just need to go everywhere.

Speaker 8:
[110:16] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[110:17] Yeah, you want to take the linebacker off the field, you don't want to, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[110:19] Yeah, it's the best. And with the game now, they have to be able to thump. Thumping is back in football and we love that. I'm excited to see Gadel thump a couple of these big guys tonight. As we wrap up here on ESPN, let's make sure we cover all the new stories of the day. Brandon Aubrey, highest paid kicker ever, four-year, 28 million, 20 million guarantee with Cowboys. Congratulations, Brandon. Well done. You earned that, pal. Remember, there were some rumors going around about what he was expecting and wanting and thinking and all that stuff. And then his agent said, that's not real. He got transition tagged. I believe somebody else could have made an offer for him. Through that point, he ended up being definitely back with the Cowboys. They get a deal done with the most accurate kicker, maybe of all time if he's to go. Guy never misses. It doesn't make any sense. He hit, I think, two up-rights in the same game last year. It was his own, like, and it was earth-shattering headline news. Brandon Aubrey missed the kick. When you get to that point, Tucker was there for a little bit. Yep. Boswell got to that point a little bit. Obviously, Vinatieri lived in that moment for like 20 years. If you're somebody that they make a big deal out of you missing anything, that means you're a guy. Aubrey's been at literally since day one, he got in the NFL, and he might hit from 75 yards. Weapons. Absolute weapon. When you talk about the salary cap going up and to the right, to have a guy that can make a kick for you, priceless. They put a price on it. It's about five million a year. What else happened around here? Shane Steichen says, Dan Jones is back to throwing and performing his drop. And we saw him walk in. Broken leg and an Achilles and enough to slow Daniel Dimes down. Now he lost a receiver in Michael Pittman.

Speaker 3:
[111:58] Sure. Tough.

Speaker 1:
[111:59] To the Pittsburgh Steelers. Kept Alec Pierce, who he made definitely his absolute best version of him. Yeah. He's out for three months. Dimes is back. I'm excited about the future. I love where we're at, Deepak.

Speaker 8:
[112:12] I love where we're at, as well. We're obviously moving on, I think, to kind of a new chapter with Kenny Moore moving on, Zaire Franklin moving on.

Speaker 6:
[112:18] Do you really love where you are, though, with all these great players leaving?

Speaker 8:
[112:22] We got, look, we still got the gym.

Speaker 1:
[112:23] What's that?

Speaker 8:
[112:24] We still got our own.

Speaker 6:
[112:25] I just wonder if you truly, if you guys really are excited about the future, when you lost a lot of great players.

Speaker 8:
[112:28] Yeah, did you see our quarterback walking in?

Speaker 6:
[112:30] Alec Pierce, he signed him $150 million. He's got ankle surgery three days later.

Speaker 8:
[112:34] He'll be all right.

Speaker 6:
[112:35] I hope.

Speaker 1:
[112:35] It was a week and a half later.

Speaker 6:
[112:36] We hope.

Speaker 8:
[112:37] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[112:38] Multiple weeks later.

Speaker 6:
[112:38] Does Schefter know about Pierce's surgery before the Colts signed him to the extension?

Speaker 1:
[112:42] That's what he was kind of saying. Kind of is what he was saying. But I think he kind of has to say that. In that kind of like a thing, I knew. That's kind of what he was doing. It's like, I don't know, did you?

Speaker 8:
[112:51] You looked over his shoulder on his phone. You think he knew based on what you said? Yeah, what was that? What was on his phone?

Speaker 1:
[112:55] A lot of just a lot of shots. Got anything for me? Shot, shot, shot, shot. That's what it felt like. It felt like, you know, every once in a while you see those boats that those super rich olds go on out to sea and there's just like 30 fishing lines. Oh yeah. And then they got like workers standing there telling them, this one, get my fat ass over here, do the entire thing. That's what that text message kind of looked like. OK, that's why I was scanning it out. I'm like, oh, that's a shot. That's a shot. That's a shot. And there was a lot of names that I definitely knew. I'm like, that could be a cool thing if that was to happen. And then he comes up, comes on, goes, we don't know anything.

Speaker 4:
[113:30] Yeah, nothing's going on.

Speaker 1:
[113:32] Got any more for me? He knows stuff. I don't know. He knows stuff. Well, now that him, the super powers have combined.

Speaker 4:
[113:41] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[113:41] Him, Rappaport, Palisero.

Speaker 4:
[113:43] They meet every morning.

Speaker 1:
[113:44] Field Yates, I think, is field an insider?

Speaker 6:
[113:46] But have they combined?

Speaker 4:
[113:48] I think a little bit.

Speaker 1:
[113:49] Yes, I think they have.

Speaker 4:
[113:50] Schefter's retweeting those guys' stuff. He was never doing that before.

Speaker 6:
[113:53] You think Schefter's giving his stuff, hey, I got this, I'm going to gift it to you, you can break it.

Speaker 2:
[113:57] No, they're meeting every morning, giving everything to each other.

Speaker 1:
[113:59] I do think, Schefter, this many years into the game, I think he probably only knows one way, which is like go, go, go. Rap, same way, but I think rap has been very open about like, hey, would be honored to be a part of Schefter's team. I don't think Schefter has ever publicly come out and been like, can't wait to have these guys part of my team, because I think Schefter is an actual machine.

Speaker 8:
[114:19] Schefter fucking hates it.

Speaker 1:
[114:21] No, I think at this stage, I think he'll be excited to add members to team. Like I think he'd be happy to bring members of teaming, because it's not like he's ever going to be viewed as not the guy.

Speaker 4:
[114:31] Right.

Speaker 1:
[114:32] And he's already proven, I think.

Speaker 4:
[114:34] And I think that's what bothered him, is I think he does want to add people to the team, but it was the notion that this is his heir apparent. Like, this is the guy that's going to replace him. And he obviously is not thinking about stopping anytime soon.

Speaker 8:
[114:46] Hates it.

Speaker 4:
[114:47] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[114:47] No, I think it is forced upon him. And I think now he's like, how do we make this the best?

Speaker 4:
[114:53] I'll play ball.

Speaker 8:
[114:53] He's the old franchise quarterback. You draft a young gunner for it. I hate this guy. Exactly.

Speaker 4:
[114:59] You are right.

Speaker 8:
[114:59] But I'll play it. I'll be a team player.

Speaker 1:
[115:02] All right. We will see you tomorrow night for the Draft Spectacular. 7 p.m. It starts with The Football Town. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. Goodbye. All right, clocks were off for a second. I think I nailed it. A lot of activity brewing behind us.

Speaker 2:
[115:14] Oh yeah, a lot happened.

Speaker 1:
[115:15] Big time. I'm being told in my ear, how long's this show? A lot of that.

Speaker 4:
[115:21] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[115:21] You know, because the music was starting.

Speaker 4:
[115:23] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[115:23] So I assume somebody was like, can you not do the music? And they're like, no, actually kind of have to do the music. That's kind of the thing. It's not just music. I guess it's going to be on that stage. I think if we were to wait two minutes and 30 seconds, we would potentially get something that I'm sure they do not want us to show.

Speaker 3:
[115:38] Okay. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[115:41] We can't tip what it's going to be.

Speaker 1:
[115:42] I don't think we can tip the open of the fucking ground.

Speaker 2:
[115:45] They have almost started it about three times.

Speaker 8:
[115:48] Is it Brett Michaels?

Speaker 6:
[115:49] They were playing some stuff.

Speaker 8:
[115:51] A little bigger.

Speaker 1:
[115:52] All right. Bigger than Brett? You're not showing it, Foxy. We're getting out of here. Okay, we're out of here.

Speaker 2:
[115:56] That's not possible.

Speaker 1:
[115:56] We're back tomorrow night. Foxy was like, oh, we got a really good shot of this.

Speaker 2:
[116:00] Foxy, he wants to tip the whole draft.

Speaker 1:
[116:03] Show the shots that we have of the stage. BMAC, I know you're probably watching this. We could get the whole thing. We could get the whole thing.

Speaker 4:
[116:10] Oh, boy. Yeah, that would really do it.

Speaker 1:
[116:13] We're not going to do it. We are lucky and thankful. Hey, somebody tell Oni or Oni, whatever the hell his name is. We are very lucky and thankful to be here. Okay. And on that note, we're not tipping shit.

Speaker 2:
[116:23] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[116:23] We're going to get we've come this far. We need not.

Speaker 2:
[116:27] I want to see what it is tomorrow night.

Speaker 1:
[116:29] Thank you, Schrager.

Speaker 2:
[116:30] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[116:32] Tomorrow night Draft Spectacular starts at 7 p.m. with the showing of debut premiere of The Football Town. A. I'm going to say it's maybe the nicest thing I've ever been a part of. I mean, it is. It was so cool to watch like the first five minutes and the way people are talking about it. I think it'll be something that'll be well worth your time. And also a nice prep for what's about to happen. The next generation of NFL stars are going to be drafted on this stage tomorrow night. After the open, that has a lot of really cool stuff happening. Roger Goodell will come out here. We're going to celebrate the hell out of ball. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. We will see you then. For myself, D-But, AJ, Con Man. Con Man, good to see you with a soul. We saw you on Steel Kirk without one. That was alarming footage. I did not see that before.

Speaker 8:
[117:19] It was happening both times. The first time was a little worse. I was concerned because I knew it was glass.

Speaker 3:
[117:26] It was a little quicker, but it was tough. I mean, that's Kennywood.

Speaker 1:
[117:29] Forty seconds here. Ty, Tone, Truck.

Speaker 2:
[117:32] Great work, Truck.

Speaker 1:
[117:34] ESPN crew, thank you so much for setting this all up. Barcode and them, Fosso. Miss Karen's here doing logistics for life. And tomorrow Coach Cowher will join us. AQ. Shipley will join us. Surprises will happen. Dreams will come true. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice might change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Let's have a hell of a week here in Pittsburgh. Perfect. Come down and see us if you're in time. We appreciate you. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three, team.

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