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Speaker 1:
[00:05] What is up, everyone, and welcome back to The Fast Life Podcast. On today's episode, I'm sitting down with the OG motorcycle podcaster, Mr. Danger Dan. He's actually the one that got me into these podcasts and doing them and helped me out years ago when we started ours. So great dude, he's a chopper riding, Pan America riding traveler, he's traveled the world. In a sense, he is a all around interesting person, and anyone that's ever met him would probably say the same thing. On today's episode, we're talking about just the life that we've lived doing podcasts, riding choppers, traveling, the family dynamic, all kinds of things and everything in between, if that makes sense. Anyway, before we get into it, please take a moment, check out our sponsors, they make all this stuff possible. RNS Motorcycles, they have everything you could ask for to customize your motorcycle and make it unique, badass and perform better. Check them out, rns.com, use Fast Life 10 to save 10% off on all your orders there. Also, please, if you guys are looking for a newer used motorcycle, my guys down at Cowboy Harley-Davidson, have you covered, they got everything you need from new to used parts, service, apparel, or just looking for a good time to go hang out on the weekend, go check them out. Also, if you or someone you know has been in a motorcycle accident, there's only one number you need to call and it's 1-800-LAWTIGERS. They're going to get you taken care of on the right path, on the right track. They're going to fight for you and get you everything you need and deserve. Also, if you want to stay safe out there, look good while you're doing it, and have one of the highest and most dope helmets coming to the market, Caboodo Americas has you covered. Check them out, caboodoamericas.com. I'm running them. My buddies are getting on board. You're going to be hearing about this brand a lot in the future, so check them out now and be one of the first. Alright, now let's get into it.

Speaker 2:
[02:00] Hey, guys, you ready to let the dogs out?

Speaker 3:
[02:10] I feel like every time I'm in here, there's a new table.

Speaker 1:
[02:12] That's the same table, though.

Speaker 3:
[02:14] It's just like modular or some shit.

Speaker 1:
[02:17] I need to cut the ends off of it so it would be shorter.

Speaker 3:
[02:19] There you go. I don't.

Speaker 1:
[02:24] This is the best iteration of the room for camera angles. The worst iteration of the room for conversation.

Speaker 3:
[02:32] Really?

Speaker 1:
[02:33] I don't like how far we're apart.

Speaker 3:
[02:34] I love it. Well, it also helps getting people to talk louder.

Speaker 1:
[02:39] OK. Oh, that's a good idea. I need to think about that.

Speaker 3:
[02:41] Yeah. When you space each other out, because people don't talk very loud sometimes, you got to like force that thing.

Speaker 1:
[02:49] It's so fucking finicky.

Speaker 3:
[02:52] She's got to adjust it higher and let it fall down.

Speaker 1:
[02:55] Yeah. I think the next if I stay here, the next iteration is going to be a couple of chairs like still facing each other kind of, but more like no desk, no desk, like fucking yeah, like antique fucking lounge chairs, like stuff where you're sitting in. So you feel good in it, not like you're sitting like you're just propped so high and awkward. So I've actually gone to see three different chairs I found on Marketplace like sets and I would, yeah, I'll come out, I'm gonna buy it now, but then I'll walk in. I need to sit on them first. And I'll sit on them like this ain't it. Sorry, man, I'm not interested.

Speaker 3:
[03:30] Not all chairs are made the same.

Speaker 1:
[03:31] They're not, dude. You gotta find the right one.

Speaker 3:
[03:33] Especially when you're going for a look too.

Speaker 1:
[03:35] A look and it's, you want people to be comfortable when they're sitting in here.

Speaker 3:
[03:40] When you want them to not look retarded.

Speaker 1:
[03:41] Exactly.

Speaker 3:
[03:42] I have this one chair in Milwaukee. I love the way it fills. But dude, when I see myself with the camera, I'm like, oh, you look fucking retarded in that chair.

Speaker 1:
[03:51] But yeah, that's that's 100 percent.

Speaker 3:
[03:53] The thing is, is there a booger in my nose? You guys see that? OK, cool.

Speaker 1:
[03:58] Put it on the mic.

Speaker 3:
[04:00] Jace, what's happening?

Speaker 1:
[04:01] What's happening, man?

Speaker 3:
[04:02] There's a fucking rain.

Speaker 1:
[04:03] We're podcast-ception in here, right? You're doing me, I'm doing you.

Speaker 3:
[04:07] Whatever you want to do here.

Speaker 1:
[04:11] Well, I was very, I don't know, I've been wanting to talk to you for a while. We've been kind of trying to coordinate this all, you know, this year almost.

Speaker 3:
[04:18] Well, we hardly have anything going on. It's amazing. We can't do this every week.

Speaker 1:
[04:22] I know. We don't live that far apart, right?

Speaker 3:
[04:25] I was talking to somebody on the way over there like I told them I was headed over here and they're like, oh, where are you at? And I'm like, well, I just left my house this morning. Like I can just drive to Jace's shop, you know? It's right. It's not very far. It was fucking further on the map when I looked up this morning and said it was fucking two hours away. I was like, God damn, is it really that far away?

Speaker 1:
[04:44] There's just traffic though, probably when you head to leave.

Speaker 3:
[04:46] Oh, the rain. It's all fucked up.

Speaker 1:
[04:48] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[04:48] People are retarded. And I took the back road. So it took me like two and a half hours.

Speaker 1:
[04:53] Where you live has some great back roads. I've actually read quite a bit of them.

Speaker 3:
[04:56] I got the best back roads. Did you just leave my house and go south? It just gets fucking so good. Like, dude, I can go all the way from my house, dude, down to the Twisted Sisters, to the back roads into the Hill Country, fucking River Road, Devil's Backbone, and very few lights for hours. For hours.

Speaker 1:
[05:23] Yeah. Even if you go north of you, like Weatherford all the way up in the Possum Kingdom.

Speaker 2:
[05:29] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[05:30] Around PK is good, you know.

Speaker 1:
[05:32] So if I was to move somewhere, I would probably want to live out that way in Dallas. Like if I was on a by house in a different part of Dallas, Fort Worth, I'd probably want to go like just west of Fort Worth.

Speaker 2:
[05:43] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[05:43] The Westerplex is fucking great.

Speaker 1:
[05:45] Is that what you call it?

Speaker 3:
[05:46] Yeah, it's the Westerplex. Dude, Weatherford is like the the cutting horse capital of the world. They're filming all fucking Taylor Sheridan shows everywhere. There's movie shoots going on one night around my front porch. I see this fucking like UFO light like what the fuck is that just lit up? Did we go chase it down? They're fucking filming. I don't know. 1784. Whatever is what they were filming.

Speaker 1:
[06:11] They filmed a little bit here in Waxahatchee, where I live for that Bass Reeves, I think is what it was. And there's some other show they're working on in Palmer, Texas. I think that's supposed to be its own show, which is like the town, like maybe 10 miles behind.

Speaker 3:
[06:24] It's called.

Speaker 1:
[06:30] But yeah, it's crazy havin all that stuff come here, right, with all the shows bein filmed over here. It reminds me of like the 80s when it was Texas, or Walker Ranger, wait, Texas.

Speaker 3:
[06:39] Dallas. Walker Texas Ranger.

Speaker 1:
[06:41] Walker Texas Ranger, that's the word.

Speaker 3:
[06:43] We just lost that guy, dude.

Speaker 1:
[06:44] Yeah, I know, it sucks. Apparently, he wasn't that invincible.

Speaker 3:
[06:49] I don't believe it yet.

Speaker 1:
[06:52] He's gonna be resurrected in three months.

Speaker 3:
[06:55] I thought he already was, dude, six, three days. Seven days, right? Seven days. How's that work?

Speaker 1:
[07:00] Yeah. What? I was thinking about this whenever we were talking about doing this earlier this year, but you started your podcast in 16, right?

Speaker 3:
[07:10] Jace, I think you keep up with that more than I do.

Speaker 1:
[07:12] I know that I knew exactly you were going to say this.

Speaker 3:
[07:16] Is it 16?

Speaker 1:
[07:17] I believe so.

Speaker 3:
[07:17] Because I was thinking that I've been doing the t-shirt company for like seven or eight years now. So, yeah, probably 16.

Speaker 1:
[07:26] You invited me on in March of 17.

Speaker 3:
[07:29] There you go.

Speaker 1:
[07:30] And so, you had already been...

Speaker 3:
[07:31] So, I'm coming up on a year. I think I started in like August or September. Yeah, fuck, it's almost been ten years.

Speaker 1:
[07:39] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[07:40] That's crazy to think about.

Speaker 1:
[07:44] I knew you didn't know that.

Speaker 3:
[07:49] You know, that's definitely not one of those things that I keep track of. Uh, I don't keep track of a lot of numbers. Um, as my bookie would tell you, I don't keep track of any numbers, really. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[08:00] That's, I mean, it's crazy, dude. I, yes, I got to thank you too, because if you wouldn't have had me on early, I was not, I wasn't really listening to podcasts at all. I wasn't really, you know, I wasn't into that. You know what I mean? Then when I, when you had me on, I listened to the one, you know, yours coming up, like, what is this? And then that opened up the door to Rogan to me. I've already seen clips of Rogan and stuff, you know, on the internet or whatever.

Speaker 3:
[08:23] That's how it starts.

Speaker 1:
[08:24] But yeah, then like all of a sudden, now I'm like trying to watch Rogan from number one all the way to like, think at that.

Speaker 3:
[08:30] Really? Have you listened to the very first one?

Speaker 1:
[08:32] No, I tried to go back. You know, like, I want to listen to every one. I'm like, it's impossible. He was already at like a 900 something whenever I started listening.

Speaker 3:
[08:39] To see at 5,000 now, what is he at?

Speaker 1:
[08:41] I think he's like 2,000 something, maybe almost three. So, you know, he'll do three a week.

Speaker 3:
[08:46] I typed in 512 last week.

Speaker 1:
[08:49] For real?

Speaker 3:
[08:49] I think it's the last one I remember.

Speaker 1:
[08:51] It's crazy.

Speaker 3:
[08:52] Yeah. What number is this?

Speaker 1:
[08:54] For me, it would be 463 or 464.

Speaker 3:
[08:59] You're catching up quick, dude.

Speaker 1:
[09:01] I'm trying to stick to just a once a week program. And so far this year, I've only missed one week.

Speaker 3:
[09:07] Nice.

Speaker 1:
[09:08] But it's been difficult, man, just trying to have him able to travel that much and get out and, you know, fortunately there is a lot of great content, you know, I say content, there's a lot of great people here that have great stories like the one I just finally got to have with David Brown, but I didn't want to force that.

Speaker 3:
[09:23] Oh, David Brown is legendary, man.

Speaker 1:
[09:25] You know, I didn't want to force that conversation. I didn't want to just call, cold call him one day and say, hey, I'm Jace, I have a podcast. Can we do this?

Speaker 3:
[09:31] Well, now you got a shovel head, so you got to go down there and buy parts, dude. He's the only place that has four speed parts sitting on the shelf.

Speaker 1:
[09:36] On the shelf, exactly.

Speaker 3:
[09:37] That's a very unique thing, not just in Texas, but all across the fucking country.

Speaker 1:
[09:42] Yeah. So I spent the last almost year basically going to get advice and to buy parts for the shovel head and the FXR down there.

Speaker 3:
[09:51] I love it when you go in there to ask David for a part. He's like, why do you need that? I'm like, well, it's broken. He's like, well, why is it broken? Fuck, I don't know. I got to start there. And he'll, he'll tell you why you need the part that you need and give you something to fix what caused that problem.

Speaker 1:
[10:04] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[10:05] Without, I mean, unsolicited and without being an asshole about it too.

Speaker 1:
[10:08] Yeah, 100 percent.

Speaker 3:
[10:09] He's fucking great. When I first went down there, Jake was sweeping floors. His brother was still there. David was working in the back, but it hasn't changed much, dude. You know, now fucking Jake is the red eye of the shop. You know, the old disgruntled fucking guy in the back, you know, that's about accurate.

Speaker 1:
[10:30] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[10:31] You got Corey in there. Liz was back up there for a minute. She adds a whole new fucking flavor to that shop, which I thought I'd never see a girl working in there.

Speaker 1:
[10:40] She's cool though. She's got a great personality. You know what I mean? She's on a fucking huge trip right now of her own.

Speaker 3:
[10:46] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[10:46] You know, that's pretty cool what she's doing. But yeah, it's, I felt like I need, you know, the podcast with a man like that, you got to build a little rapport with that person first before you get them on a show like this to just, so how'd you get started? You know what I'm saying? And I feel like I got to earn a great conversation with him over, like how to go. It was great. I mean, I mean, obviously he's been on yours a handful of times, I think. And so I think he's versed in the, in this world.

Speaker 3:
[11:15] He understands what's going on now. He just, we do the first one I did. It was like pulling fucking teeth there for a minute. And then he finally got comfortable. I did it in his shop. You know, he was sitting in that throne right there at the register and we're just smoking cigarettes. Or at least I was.

Speaker 1:
[11:29] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[11:31] But yeah, he's fucking great, dude. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[11:33] He opened up and he told us, I mean, I didn't, I didn't have to do anything, really. I just sat here and said, no way. What is a good time? Oh, man.

Speaker 3:
[11:43] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[11:43] It was story after story after story.

Speaker 3:
[11:45] He's got them, dude. I mean, he's been running that shop for 50 years.

Speaker 1:
[11:49] It's fucking insane.

Speaker 3:
[11:50] Right there in Dallas. Great part of town.

Speaker 1:
[11:53] I mean, we're, we're building a little bit of that of our own in this little podcast world, dude. 10 years. You know, I know you don't think about those things, but you know, I do. And I think it's rad that, you know, we're sitting here doing this shit still after so long. You know, you more so than me, you know, I mean, you're doing it.

Speaker 3:
[12:11] Fuck. You're about to put out as many podcasts as me. And you started two years behind me. Or what would you say?

Speaker 1:
[12:16] One year, two years started technically. You remember we did that podcast, it was all at Kenny Kirk shop and we were all sitting in their new year's fucking round up or whatever.

Speaker 3:
[12:27] Fuck, I called it.

Speaker 1:
[12:28] Remember you cried in it? It was weird.

Speaker 3:
[12:30] I did?

Speaker 1:
[12:31] No, Kenny did. He got super emotional.

Speaker 3:
[12:34] Yeah, I mean, that was a special time, dude. I mean, that was a time worth crying over, really, because that brought a lot of people together. That was a special place, dude. You can't do that in the stockyards right now. You know?

Speaker 1:
[12:46] It's hard to go to the stockyards and not remember what used to be on top of the hill.

Speaker 3:
[12:51] You know what I mean? I've been going there for years before that place was ever there. Playing music, drinking, busking on the streets.

Speaker 1:
[12:58] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[12:59] You know, just cruising the fucking strip and whatever clapped out vehicle we were in. Nothing cool, just looking at what everybody else had. And then that place came up, and it was like, holy fuck. I didn't know that that shit was even happening. You know? I was riding a twin cam, and I seen a show class magazine in California, and I was like, well, fuck this. You know? That only happens in California.

Speaker 1:
[13:22] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[13:23] Turns out there's some motherfuckers in Texas, too, and a lot of them.

Speaker 1:
[13:27] Yep. Yeah, it was, I mean, that's whenever I got to meet you for the first time and got kind of versed in this whole culture that we had here in North Texas with the chopper scene was 2016. The Southern Throwdown pre-party was the first time I really came out to an event and got to meet, you know, everybody that was kind of involved in this. And it was like a star-studded event, too. Max Schaaf was down here, fucking all kinds of chopper Dave. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[13:53] Jonathan Tyler fucking playing music in that garage, just straight killing it, dude.

Speaker 1:
[13:59] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[13:59] That's when I met fucking Eric Vaughn, dude. That little asshole came up from Houston.

Speaker 1:
[14:03] Oh, shit.

Speaker 3:
[14:03] Who the fuck is this punk?

Speaker 1:
[14:05] Yeah, because they started Nitty Gritty in 2016 as well. Because this was their 10-year anniversary this year.

Speaker 3:
[14:12] Was it?

Speaker 1:
[14:12] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[14:14] Yeah, that event's grown into something else. Have you been down to that?

Speaker 1:
[14:18] Yeah. Yeah, I've done it for the last three years at this new one. And then before COVID, I did like two years when it was down at like whatever that place was in Conroe.

Speaker 3:
[14:27] The backside bar.

Speaker 1:
[14:28] Yeah. Had like the alligator in the pond or some shit. Everybody would talk.

Speaker 3:
[14:32] No fucking alligator.

Speaker 1:
[14:32] I never saw it. I was like, dude, yeah, it's bullshit. It was a sales tactic.

Speaker 3:
[14:38] There's definitely gators down there, though.

Speaker 1:
[14:40] Yeah. But yeah, it's been crazy, man. Like this whole podcast thing.

Speaker 3:
[14:45] Now you finally got a chopper ten years later, dude. Took you ten years to finally see the light and get a shovelhead. Well, how's that feel?

Speaker 1:
[14:53] It's amazing.

Speaker 3:
[14:55] It is amazing, isn't it? There's nothing like it, dude.

Speaker 1:
[15:00] It's it has to happen at the right time, though. You know what I mean? Like, I think that I know hear me out on this. Like, if there's certain things that you can get and if you're not in the right place in your mind and your life, you're never going to appreciate it for what it is.

Speaker 3:
[15:14] Well, it depends on how you get it.

Speaker 1:
[15:16] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[15:16] You know, if you had just paid for it back then without going through the motions, yeah, you probably wouldn't have appreciated it as much.

Speaker 1:
[15:22] You know, but I think that everything that I've done since 2016 has put me in a position where the chopper has been, it is what it is to me now. It's such a visceral experience. It's something that like, you know, when I walk out in the shop, like I have a brand new Road Glide, these killer FXRs. And I'm like, if this thing starts, I'm riding this. You know what I mean? That's pretty much the way it goes every day.

Speaker 3:
[15:50] If where is it at right now? It wasn't down there.

Speaker 1:
[15:52] It's at the house.

Speaker 3:
[15:52] It's at the house, fucking raining, huh? Yeah, mine's at the house too.

Speaker 1:
[15:57] But yeah, I love it, man. It's also like everything about it, it removes like the ability to want your mind to wander as much. Like yeah, I've done a little small trips on it. It's like you can kind of get out there and get kind of in your head a little bit, but you're just, every time you reach down and shift it, every time you get a little too quick on it and it starts to vibrate a little too much, there's just a lot of feelings and it's just giving you so much more feedback.

Speaker 3:
[16:28] Yeah, you're just connected to it more. Yeah. You feel there's instant feedback.

Speaker 1:
[16:32] And for me, I love the pace that it goes. Like I just rode the Road Glide down to Lafayette this past weekend and it was great. Like I had no issues. I didn't have to take one single tool with me. It was sick. But I mean, it was just going through the motions. Like as much as I want to do the back roads on that Road Glide, I'm also like, man, I can hit the highway and be home in like six hours. Like, so there's just like that, as opposed on the shovelhead, I'm already in like a mindset that I'm not going to be there for a while. I might as well enjoy the trip because there's going to be parts that suck. You might as well just at least have some great visuals and shit like that on the way. So I don't know. I love it. Me too. I had told Corey, because Corey from Main Drive is from Lafayette. And I told him, dude, once you get your shovelhead back on the road, let's ride these things down there and go hang out. I want to see where you're from. And then the first day I texted, I was like, hey, remember I was telling you about riding these shovelheads down here? Yeah, I was just playing, dude. These roads suck, dude.

Speaker 3:
[17:31] Yeah, the roads in Louisiana are, dude.

Speaker 1:
[17:33] There's like, when you get on a really smooth road, you're like, oh my god, this is so...

Speaker 3:
[17:37] But it's mainly the interstates over there. You know, like you get on the back roads, like the trip me and Stray did back in December. We fucking took off from here to go to the B&B Christmas party. Dude, we had an epic fucking ride. Every road we were on was killer.

Speaker 1:
[17:53] B&B is in New Orleans.

Speaker 3:
[17:54] Until we decided to leave and it was fucking 30 degrees, fucking raining. And we had to get on the interstate. Yeah, B&B is in Metterie, just this side of New Orleans.

Speaker 1:
[18:06] Yeah, dude, it's beautiful down there. I got to spend the whole weekend just now riding through it all. It's pretty insane.

Speaker 3:
[18:13] Yeah, so is there like, how does a hog member group ride? How does that work? They have like a pre-plan, like meet here for breakfast. There's coffee and donuts. We're all leaving at this time. Or is it like, well, the way it works is routes plan.

Speaker 1:
[18:27] It's planned routes out of the Cajun Country dealership, which is there in Scott, Louisiana. And so everybody shows up, you register, and then there's like all these routes that if you want to do a route on a guided tour route, they have all those, but you can go down there and just be a part of it and do your own thing. There's like, there's lots of challenges and things that like they put together, like take pictures in front of this thing and this and that. And so I see it as a much different thing than what I'm used to in motorcycling, but I see the value in it in the kind of aged tier of people that kind of go to that. You know what I'm saying? Like I go, I went there and as soon as I got there, like this kid was on a shovel head and we just ended up hanging out the whole time together and it was pretty sick. You know, he's from there and he was showing me all the spots and all the cool little dive bars and stuff like that.

Speaker 3:
[19:20] Was it the age of them or was it like their experience riding? More that lined up because it seemed like that's like, you know, for some people that need a little incentive.

Speaker 1:
[19:30] I think it's the age thing. I think it's a bit of both because I think that their experience riding is a lot of them are like gnarly, like mile crushing people, kind of like remember Chris Hopper, the 100,000 100 days.

Speaker 3:
[19:42] Yeah, he's definitely no hog member.

Speaker 1:
[19:44] There's a lot of those guys like that, like I met the father dot a father mother son combo. And each one is first, second and third of how many dealerships they visited in the United States this year.

Speaker 3:
[20:01] Where are they from?

Speaker 1:
[20:03] Outside of a, what's the base down there? Colleen. It's just like, it's different than like, the way I was explaining it, and I'm going to do a podcast with Corey about it, but it's basically like, we, I know I, and I could attest to you, is that we have so much access to so much in motorcycling that we don't really need that for us to fill or to guide us somewhere. You know what I mean? We have so much going on, right? But for the casual motorcyclists, like it's a great tool for them to be able to find, meet people, you know, networking kind of a social network kind of thing or social club type aspect, right? Where they can do the rides, but then you can also meet someone that is out there smashing miles across the country. So you'll see one person that looks like they don't ride anywhere, but the next thing you know, they're on their 48th state this year. You know what I mean? Next to someone that's like, yeah, we just want to come out and check out the food and do this and do like the... So there's like a catch all be all, honestly.

Speaker 3:
[21:07] How many people were there?

Speaker 1:
[21:08] It was about 600, 700, 800, somewhere around there.

Speaker 3:
[21:10] Fuck, that's a lot of people.

Speaker 1:
[21:11] Yeah, and it wasn't like everybody was leaving at once. They had different times.

Speaker 3:
[21:15] Yeah, I mean, but for something centered around riding, you know, not just like, hey, come look at bikes in the parking lot.

Speaker 1:
[21:21] Yeah, the park, the event at the place was kind of...

Speaker 3:
[21:24] There wasn't people cooking there on site. What was on site?

Speaker 1:
[21:27] Not really. They just, you know, law tigers, you know, they had law tigers in the insurance company next to each other, which I thought was kind of funny. It's like the two people that kind of fight each other for the most part. But yeah, they don't... And the owner said like, we used to do bands on stuff here, but so many people are coming in and out all day that like the band will just be sitting there playing to empty parking lot. You know what I mean? So, you know, it was cool. The food, fucking amazing.

Speaker 3:
[21:52] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[21:52] I love Cajun food.

Speaker 3:
[21:54] Fucking food and balls at the dirtiest gas station you can find, dude, just sitting under a heat lamp.

Speaker 1:
[21:59] Yeah, for a day. So good.

Speaker 3:
[22:03] Yeah, the B&B guys fucking spoiled the shit out of me on food, dude. Every time I show up there, they fucking go overboard, dude. Yeah, they boil fucking shrimp, tons of oysters, smoked hams. Fucking what else? Fucking these crawfish pies. Yeah, so fucking good.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 3:
[24:04] You got to bring some cracklings back in your saddle bag.

Speaker 1:
[24:08] I didn't, but I ate a shit ton of while I was there.

Speaker 3:
[24:10] You didn't fucking take a bagger there and you didn't fill it up with food to come.

Speaker 1:
[24:13] I had no space. I had to on my extra pair of shoes. You know, dude, there's not that much space.

Speaker 3:
[24:20] Are you with me?

Speaker 1:
[24:21] No, I had a lot of shit in my bag. I had a whole...

Speaker 3:
[24:24] You had extra shoes?

Speaker 1:
[24:25] I had all my camber here.

Speaker 3:
[24:25] What, did you do some fucking hiking?

Speaker 1:
[24:27] That was a joke, dude. You laughed. You got it.

Speaker 3:
[24:31] I laughed because I thought you were being serious. One of my buddies shows up the other day. He had on these fucking nice ass cowboy boots. And then he had another pair of cowboy boots that were like this fucking tall taking up a whole saddle bag. He was serious. Dude, that had like five pairs of shoes, dude. The problem may be more, dude. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[24:50] When I first started traveling on bikes, I used to take like two pair of shoes with me all the time. But.

Speaker 2:
[24:55] You're wearing shoes and then.

Speaker 1:
[24:57] Stepping out shoes.

Speaker 3:
[24:58] Stepping out shoes.

Speaker 1:
[24:59] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[24:59] That's where I wear my mocks, dude.

Speaker 1:
[25:01] Yeah. I don't know. I just, well, the thing is, I have to take all this camera gear to go photograph it. So I have one saddle bag full of laptop lenses, you know.

Speaker 3:
[25:11] That thing got a tour pack?

Speaker 1:
[25:13] No, I don't. I don't. I hate the way tour packs look on bikes.

Speaker 3:
[25:16] Really?

Speaker 1:
[25:17] I struggle with that because anytime, you know, my wife, you've already got bags on it. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[25:21] But they're still, they flow with the bike better.

Speaker 1:
[25:26] It could still look cool without a tour pack. I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[25:29] I think it could look cool with a tour pack, dude. That Street Glide, I rode down the PCH this year. Thanks to Tay Biff, dude. We had those bags jammed fucking full, dude. Tay was like, had a fucking, his, I don't know, a sleeping bag on his fucking fender. That was all he took. Crammed everything else in the saddle bags I had.

Speaker 1:
[25:48] He's like, you ride this bike, but the only stipulation is all my shit's going.

Speaker 3:
[25:52] Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[25:55] How was that trip, man? Fucking Chopper Fest looked amazing.

Speaker 3:
[25:58] Oh, man, it's killer right there on the fucking beach, dude. Tons of bikes, dude. Tons that I've seen, tons that I haven't seen, all the David Mann inspired art, even the David Mann originals that were there. Was it the LFG crew doing the fucking circus games in the back, people getting to ride? And, you know, everybody was just stoked too. The weather was fucking perfect. I was kind of shocked at how few bikes came down the PCH. I mean, it just fucking opened. I thought it was going to be like the main artery of fucking motorcycle traffic down to Ventura. And we saw like three other bikes or some shit, four. We saw two, like two couples on some fucking Jace painted baggers, too. They were fucking bass boats riding down that fucking road. They definitely, they might have had all four of those bikes painted by you.

Speaker 1:
[26:48] Well, maybe, maybe in another life. I don't get that many of that these days. But no, I was, I went out to Parts and Labor at the Biltwell Show, and it was one of those deals where the next week was going to be the Chopper Fest. I was like, now I was trying to figure out how I could stay out there, but I couldn't, couldn't swing.

Speaker 3:
[27:08] It was so good. It was like pulling teeth to do the kickstart competition, though, dude. These are scared to make their bikes run. I get it. You know, those things are hard to start. People looking at you, me yelling at you on a microphone.

Speaker 1:
[27:23] I got to win this kickstart mic doing it at Nitty Gritty. And that was the first one I like set and watched it from start to finish. It's pretty entertaining, man, to be honest with you.

Speaker 3:
[27:33] Yeah, it's fun. I mean, it's the most fun you can have without your motorcycle moving. No doubt about it. Dude, Texas Fandango the other day, all these fucking bikes started so goddamn good. I think there was like 30 of them. We did like six tricks. There were still 20 of them left. Yeah, finally got down to pulling plug wires. Will it run on one cylinder? Because you guys, they obviously start any other way.

Speaker 1:
[27:54] That's pretty, that's how it was going with the nitty gritty. All the bikes would start. So, and I'm sure this is the way it works, but like Kickstart Mike had them like doing the spin around.

Speaker 3:
[28:03] Oh, there's, you know, and that's what I love is seeing other people do this because they come up with their own fucking ideas. You know, like, Kelvis up in Milwaukee at the Stupid Chopper Show, like sent them into the bar, like gave them a mouthful of Malort, which is some nasty liquor. And then they had to come out and Kickstart their bike and then see who could spit up the most Malort into a shot glass.

Speaker 1:
[28:25] Oh, shit.

Speaker 3:
[28:27] You know, Roadside Marty does one at, at what do you call it? What's that show up there? Fucking Smoke Out with the Cycle Source guys. I would love to go to one that Roadside Marty does because he is a fucking gem on a goddamn microphone, dude. I fucking love that guy. And then, let's see, who else is doing? I think Tiny is going to do one for me at the Live to Ride in Tombstone this year because I don't think I'm going to make it there. I don't know if he knows that yet. And then, I've got the Easy Company guys. They're going to do it for me at the Idol Hand Show up there in New Hampshire. So like, it's cool to like see other people put their spin on it, do it their own way. You know, I give them like the basis of what I do, which is kind of like, just fucking make it fun for everybody, you know? And then make fun of these motherfuckers when their bike doesn't start, you know? Like that's never happened to me or anybody before. But it's fun, dude. People enjoy that shit a lot.

Speaker 1:
[29:25] I think for me, watching it was like pure envy.

Speaker 3:
[29:29] Why? Because your bike has never started first kick, much less when-

Speaker 1:
[29:33] I mean, I've got it down to where, cold start, I can get it started within a minute for the most part of things.

Speaker 3:
[29:37] A minute, you got it timed out.

Speaker 1:
[29:39] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[29:39] How many kicks is that though?

Speaker 1:
[29:41] Usually-

Speaker 3:
[29:41] You can kick it a lot in a minute.

Speaker 1:
[29:42] Yeah, I mean- Well, it's like-

Speaker 3:
[29:46] But how fast does it take to start warm, dude?

Speaker 1:
[29:49] Warm, I can almost usually, like if I'm riding around all day, having fun, it'll first kick for the most part. But like, I can't- like when they warm up their bikes at the kickstart and then they go kick it after it's warmed up, my warm up needs to be like, I need to ride it from here to the shop or my house or whatever.

Speaker 3:
[30:06] Nobody said you can't do that.

Speaker 1:
[30:07] Yeah. And then it'll pretty much-

Speaker 3:
[30:10] So you should come out Saturday. I'll let you ride it around to Cater. This bike can fucking wait, dude. You're already missing your trip on your shovel head. You need to at least ride to Cater, dude.

Speaker 1:
[30:20] The problem is that Cory-

Speaker 3:
[30:22] Cory can work here without you, dude. I'm sure you slow him down more than anything.

Speaker 1:
[30:28] Yeah. Well, the point of Cory coming over here to work is not just to do the job, it's so that I'm learning something. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[30:35] Cory's pretty fucking sharp, dude.

Speaker 1:
[30:37] Yeah. He's a- Yeah, that's a whole-

Speaker 3:
[30:40] No, warming the bikes up really takes it to the next level. And I might quit doing that in Texas because so many fucking bikes work so goddamn good. And I honestly, I don't think that when Kirk Sharp was doing it, he started at Just Kickers and then he would do it at Southern Throwdown, I don't think he was letting us warm up our bikes. I think that was something. The first time I did it was in Red River, New Mexico. I put on an event there called the Texas Takeover. And just brought a bunch of friends from Texas and we threw a party at the Bulls of Woods. And I had everybody crank up their bikes to warm them up and to just get the crowd riled up, because they were all scattered around the patio area where everybody was hanging out. So they hear all those bikes running within that small space. It's exciting. It's just a call to attention. It's like, hey, why are all those bikes running? People will go over there. You don't have to tell everybody. They're like, whoa, there's a bunch of motorcycles running. People just get flocked to that. So it kind of calls attention to what's going on and it gives people a chance to get their bikes, you know, warmed up so they start easier. And we can like start them some funner ways if they're warmed up, you know?

Speaker 1:
[31:46] Well, the one thing I've definitely noticed, not to mention like being at events that are chopper centric and just having one now, is it, it's like kind of like the car wreck across the street. Like everybody has to watch and look at it. I mean, not car wrecks, probably a bad analogy, but like everybody, like when I see someone about to kickstart, I'm like, all right, let me watch this.

Speaker 3:
[32:09] Oh, your eyes are just drawn.

Speaker 1:
[32:10] Yeah. It's like it's it's I don't know. It's whether it starts first kick or not. Like, you know, it's just like I want to see how long what's going to happen there. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[32:19] What is going to happen? Is he going to kick back? Break his leg? Is it going to slip through the kicker gears and break his leg?

Speaker 1:
[32:24] That was probably the first thing that was scared that I was scared of. It was like I'd never kicked over a bike before I built that thing.

Speaker 3:
[32:29] Not even a dirt bike or anything.

Speaker 1:
[32:31] No, I never rode dirt bikes growing up. So we kicked it over and when we first built the bike, Cory and I, it was...

Speaker 3:
[32:39] Did it come from a runner? What did it start off as?

Speaker 1:
[32:41] So it started off as an FL... 77 FLH, I think is what it was.

Speaker 3:
[32:48] So it had a starter on it?

Speaker 1:
[32:49] It had a starter on it, but no kicker. So we did everything. The transmission and the frame are the only things from the bike originally. That's it. Even the motor, when it hadn't bought one that was already rebuilt, I have the other shovelhead still. But if when I do another chopper, I'm not going that route again. I'm starting with like a motor, a frame and go in that direction because I'd spent so much money on parts I never even ended up using at all. Right. But the experience of taking that hard telling.

Speaker 3:
[33:19] I mean, I think it's great to start off with a full bike because then there's like a lot of little pieces that you end up having, that you end up needing.

Speaker 1:
[33:24] I didn't use any of it.

Speaker 3:
[33:26] And you just like to fucking work. You made your bike all fucking sparkly and I didn't try.

Speaker 1:
[33:30] I mean, and another thing I learned in this process is how much harder it is to make a bike crusty.

Speaker 3:
[33:39] Like, yeah, you just got to ride it.

Speaker 1:
[33:41] Well, yeah, that part.

Speaker 3:
[33:43] But like with shiny wants, Jace, it was really shiny.

Speaker 1:
[33:45] It's easy to make it shiny. That's the only way I know how to do. I've never I never went to the school of make it not shiny. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3:
[33:52] So school of make it not shiny.

Speaker 2:
[33:56] So, I mean, it's hard to break.

Speaker 1:
[33:58] Yeah, so it's like, you know, you look at all these parts like I know.

Speaker 3:
[34:00] Did you want to make it crusty from the get go?

Speaker 1:
[34:03] I was never making a show bike. Originally, it was the show bike or the if you want to call it a show bike became that because of the Born Free Texas opportunity. You know what I mean? Originally, I was just trying to put together a show and the things I was going to I was going to do rims on it no matter what, because I don't like spoke wheels. You know what I mean? There were certain things I had all the intentions of doing no matter what. So some of my FXR world, I wanted to bring that into the chopper world. But I also wanted an overall aesthetic of what the traditional chopper would look like. You know what I mean? I didn't want to go to bat or super huge rear tire. I did want disc brakes. Modern things that I'm used to, but shit that I'm not used to like jockey shifts, shifting, no front brake, all that kind of stuff. I wanted it to be a hard bike to ride.

Speaker 3:
[34:55] You don't have a front brake on your bike, huh? Isn't that awesome?

Speaker 1:
[34:59] Sick. The only time that it's... It has been a couple of funny times where you're like... I remember I was on the way down to Vandango and I was in the park. This is when my bike broke down a little bit later on after this. But I remember I just started leaning too far to the left and I had the clutch in on my foot. And I was leaning over to the point where I was like, oh, fuck, oh, fuck. And I was like, I had to take my foot off and it jumped. And it's just like shit like that that you don't think about sometimes. If I would have had a break or whatever the case. I realize it ain't even a big hill that you need to get stuck on in the wrong spot before it's kind of a shit show.

Speaker 3:
[35:42] Any rolling back, you either got to feather the clutch or do some weird thing with your right foot. Yeah, like hold the left foot down. Yeah, then do the swap out. Yes, the clutch in it's.

Speaker 1:
[35:55] But again, it's part of that like more visceral experience where like you're not just coming up to a light now.

Speaker 3:
[36:02] And I mean, to the point now where sometimes you're coming up to like how much traffic infraction because you're fixing to run this mother.

Speaker 1:
[36:08] Yeah. And that's pretty much what I've done in the last couple of times. There's a couple like, you know, for me to jump on my bike and pretty much go hang out in the places I hang out. I got to ride to Dallas. It's 30 miles, right? So I, you know, the exits I usually take now, I know the ones that have the hills. If I get stuck at this light, I'm pretty much just going to run the lighter. I'm going to lane split or filter to the, to the front at least. You know what I mean? So you just learn all that shit.

Speaker 3:
[36:31] And it's just like backed up and rested your bike on somebody's car behind you.

Speaker 1:
[36:35] No, I ain't that I ain't not that. Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, that's that's cool, I guess, you know, but like, that's just not something I'm I don't want to deal with people in Dallas.

Speaker 3:
[36:50] Yeah, people in Dallas love it when you lane split, dude.

Speaker 1:
[36:54] They're getting better. I feel like there's so many people moving here from California and they're used to it.

Speaker 3:
[36:58] It depends on what time of day you do it. If you do it fucking rush hour, nobody's fucking happy. They are fucking swerving at you. They're honking their horn. It cracks me up. And then like every 15 to 20 cars, one dude will move out of the way.

Speaker 1:
[37:12] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[37:12] He'll see you coming and be like, oh, there's plenty of space for this bike to go by.

Speaker 1:
[37:16] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[37:17] Let me move.

Speaker 1:
[37:18] Exactly.

Speaker 3:
[37:19] I love it when they do that. I fucking slow down and wave at them.

Speaker 1:
[37:22] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[37:24] The only time I didn't like it is construction areas where it gets real narrow because then they're already pissed off they're in construction and they'll swerve at anything.

Speaker 1:
[37:33] But what's great about doing it on the choppers, it's so narrow that you can just slip through so many things. They're usually more like you can get through spots that obviously you can't get through on a bagger or something like much bigger. So and usually it's like I haven't had one person. I've been laying like a motherfucker because when you get down to Dallas from here, if you want to go east at all, you pretty much get stuck in perpetual traffic that never ends right there in downtown. It's just always going on no matter when you go through it. So just kind of split for a couple like a mile or so and then bam, you're back open to free highway and just kind of move through it.

Speaker 3:
[38:11] Nobody's ever haunted you.

Speaker 1:
[38:12] Not on the chopper. On my bagger, yeah, people lose their fucking mind. But also if you come through and you scare people, that freaks them out sometimes.

Speaker 3:
[38:21] Oh, dude, I'm always just revving it up. Especially on my Pan America, that fucker's so loud, dude. I want you guys to hear me coming.

Speaker 1:
[38:29] What's your chopper set up? I haven't been able to keep track of what motor's in it and everything right now.

Speaker 3:
[38:36] 59 with a shovel top, four-speed ratchet top, disc brake, two-to-one gearing, 16-21. What do you call it?

Speaker 1:
[38:46] Holding out good? That last trip you just on?

Speaker 3:
[38:50] Wide glide with some ape hangers.

Speaker 1:
[38:52] Were you on the Pan America or on the chopper that last trip you just did with like Brian and all them?

Speaker 3:
[38:55] Oh, I was on the Pan America.

Speaker 1:
[38:57] Pan America. Yeah. Where'd y'all go to?

Speaker 3:
[39:00] Paul had a show in... He loved days, played John T. Floor's Country Store. We left from there, did the Twisted Sisters. One of them was wet as fuck. That bitch was soaking wet, dude. And then we went to Honda, did this fucking crazy hunting ranch. Spent a day there and then went to... Took 90 West over the Pegasus River High Bridge over Lake Amistad and stayed in Marathon for a couple of days and rode Big Ben.

Speaker 1:
[39:30] Oh, sick, dude.

Speaker 3:
[39:31] And then fucking jammed back. I mean, pretty much all the most epic roads in Texas. We rode them.

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Speaker 3:
[41:00] Dude, there's so much good riding.

Speaker 1:
[41:01] There's so much cool shit to see. And I really wanna, I just visually see that bike in the desert somewhere. So taking it out to Big Bend, Taralingua, all that stuff just sounds so much fun. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3:
[41:13] River Road is fucking so good. I mean, Ross Maxwell, Chisos Basin. I mean, all that shit's fucking heavy. I mean, either any road, like going down from Marathon or Alpine, both those roads are fucking sick, especially when you're hauling ass, dude. I mean, gradual turns, fucking you can see forever. There's mountains all around you.

Speaker 1:
[41:36] It's the 100% the best riding in Texas. And I feel like every time I at the hog rally, a lot of people was like, we're some good riding in Texas, like Big Bend, you know, big, the whole, everything, Terlingua, Big Bend, Presidio, Alpine, Marfa, the, what is it? Fort Davis or whatever?

Speaker 3:
[41:54] McDonald's, Orvatory.

Speaker 1:
[41:56] It's fucking beautiful. Everywhere you go up there. You know, you could, you could, yeah. Van Horn, Guadalupe. That's a sick ride. And then they got the Salt Flats on the other side of that. It's like, there's good stuff out there that you could spend a week, if really diving into it, if you want to. But, oh yeah. But yeah, I finally got a passport so I can go to Big Bend and take that little donkey ride across to go get some tacos finally.

Speaker 3:
[42:25] Oh, down to Boquilla's Crossing.

Speaker 1:
[42:27] Yeah, the first time I went there, everybody's like, no, you don't need a passport. You need a, that dude would not let us, he's like, no, dude, you don't have a passport. You ain't going over there.

Speaker 3:
[42:34] Dude, right now you can just walk across the river. There's a taco stand set up next to the hot spring.

Speaker 1:
[42:37] It's right there.

Speaker 3:
[42:38] You just fucking walk right across it, buy some tacos.

Speaker 1:
[42:41] That's a damn shame.

Speaker 3:
[42:42] So like the first time I went there, we rode the bikes right across the fucking river. Just fucking parked it right.

Speaker 1:
[42:48] At that crossing, the one I'm talking about, or on the river road area?

Speaker 3:
[42:52] No, no, no. Top secret.

Speaker 1:
[42:55] Yeah. Tell me afterwards.

Speaker 3:
[42:56] We fucking rode right down this walking path. You know, there's a big parking lot. You're supposed to park there, take the fucking walking path down to the river, do the hike. We just rode fucking right. My buddy stopped. He was like, hey, this next part's going to be a little bit illegal. And I'm like, are you fucking kidding? We just rode through the exit gate at 100 miles an hour. Now, this is illegal? Yeah, it was, turns out. Parking your bike at International Waters.

Speaker 1:
[43:20] Oh, shit.

Speaker 3:
[43:23] It was awesome, dude. I fucking love that area so much.

Speaker 1:
[43:26] That's amazing.

Speaker 3:
[43:27] There's still some real outlaw shit that happens over there. I did the first two tours for DMT Dangerous Moto Tours right out there, dude. Oh, that's right. There's so much epic shit on road. And there's even more off road there. That's the next level. I mean, the whole state park, it's all dirt roads except for River Road. That's the only paved road in the whole state park. The National Park, shit ton of pavement. There's even more dirt out there. And really, to see the whole thing, you really got to get on foot. You know, me and my kids and my wife have hiked around that fucking place and it's incredible, dude. Yeah, the Big Bend to Texas. They're going to fucking...

Speaker 1:
[44:06] Either you talked about it last time you were on, but the tour thing that you were doing, because that's kind of what Stray does as well, right? But like, you know, taking people on these tours through the different parts of the country and things.

Speaker 3:
[44:19] Stray's got something going on. Yeah. This is not like that. This is.

Speaker 1:
[44:25] More explain yours, please.

Speaker 3:
[44:26] You know, I'm just trying to curate a group of like 50 to 100 people over the next 10 years, you know, that I've ridden with. There's a lot of people I know that would love to go on some bigger adventures, but don't have, you know, the friends to do it or, you know, they're working. They don't fucking have the time to plan it out. And you know, I'm just trying to set it up where we can take advantage of numbers with like minded people that you don't even have to, you just know that I've met them. You know, I've given them the fucking clearance. They've at least spent a weekend with me. And it's also to like, the way I got it set up, you just sign up on the internet, you know, give me your email. I send you a questionnaire, figure out what you do, what you want to do, what your experience level is at. And then I have everybody spend a weekend with me in Big Ben, you know, not to see if your writing skills are up to par, because we can get there. You know, just really to make sure your attitude is right. And that you like fucking around with me, you know, do you really want to spend 10 days with me in Mexico? You know, let's start with two days in Texas and go from there. But you know, yeah, it's really just to take advantage of the places I've been and the resources I have and share them with a bigger group of people.

Speaker 1:
[45:32] You and Mexico would, I would 100% be like, love to do that with you because of all your experience going down there. That, yeah, totally makes sense.

Speaker 3:
[45:41] Mexico is so good.

Speaker 1:
[45:43] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[45:43] So good, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[45:45] I think it's a good idea. I mean, everything you just said makes sense. It's like, for those people that want to get out there and do stuff, to have someone that kind of figured out and it's going to take you to all the good shit and kind of like, you know, remove the uncertainty of like, well, you know, we fucked up and we spent too much time in Marfa and the real good time was in, you know, Alpine or something like that. You know what I mean? So having someone that can kind of help shaman you into the great experience.

Speaker 3:
[46:12] I mean, I'm just, I've spent some time out there and you know, now I'm like, you know, I've had people all over the country. I see their friends of mine and they're like, Dan, when are you going to invite me on a ride? And I'm like, fuck it. I don't, I can't invite everybody. And it's not that I don't want you to go. And last year, a couple of people like, you know, they took offense to, they're like, are we just not fucking cool enough? And I'm like, it. I got to figure out a way to like, at least include everybody, or at least give everybody a chance to go on a ride. So this is how I'm doing it right now, you know? Just putting together a pool of people that have at least ridden with me and I can, that I'm willing to vouch for. So when I call up, you know, my friend, like, he's like, well, who else is going? I'm like, don't worry about it. Like, they're all cool. We're going to have a great time. I've ridden miles with all these people. You know, in the first two weekends I did, it was cool as, you know, it was a handful of friends that I know that I haven't ridden with. And then it was a handful of people that I've never met before. And everybody got along well, you know, not all the bikes made it, not all the people made it, but nobody died and everybody was stoked. Yeah, you know, and we dealt with all the challenges along the way. You know, the more people you have, the more chances of something happening.

Speaker 1:
[47:23] Are you doing mainly this on the Pan America?

Speaker 3:
[47:26] Yeah, it's mainly. I mean, I originally started to be just off road stuff.

Speaker 1:
[47:30] Yeah, yeah, so I thought I remembered.

Speaker 3:
[47:32] Turns out a lot of people would like to do this on the road as well. So, you know, we'll see. I don't feel like there's as much to, like, I don't have as much to offer on the road as far as, like, support in making it worth it. But we'll see. That could change. I mean, you know. Yeah, and really what's going to happen is the people that reach out and I talk to, you know, are ultimately going to be deciding where these trips go. You know, I mean, that's like another thing that the weekend I spent with these guys in Texas is, where do you guys want to go? Tell them about where I've been and see what people want to do and see what they have time to do, see what they got money to do, see what, you know, kind of chances they're willing to take. You know, I'm sure some of the trips will leave Texas or California and ride into Mexico on our own bikes. And then I also have bikes in Costa Rica and Panama and Colombia and Argentina and awesome places to go everywhere where we can fly in and rent bikes and ride for a week and come home. You know, yeah. And at least you'll know that there's some other like-minded people that you'll be traveling with, even if you're just, you know, pulling the trigger on your own.

Speaker 1:
[48:41] Yeah, that's still my ultimate goal in life is to do that trip you did down to the bottom.

Speaker 3:
[48:47] It's not getting easier.

Speaker 1:
[48:49] Yeah, well, I mean, I still hopefully, I still got another 20, 30 years left, so I can, you know, probably see, let's see how it goes. You know what I'm saying? Still to this day, man, that was so epic, man.

Speaker 3:
[49:02] Oh, it was epic. It was so fucking epic. And I've been like, you know, I've been chasing that ever since. But also like spending that time doing that whole trip, I know the places to go now, you know, like, you know, I'm going to take my wife back to Argentina. I'm not going to ride her down to Argentina. I'm going to fucking fly my ass down there with her and ride the wine country, you know, and then come home.

Speaker 1:
[49:25] That's so badass. I mean, what about like, have you, I mean, I know you've done Nepal, obviously, like what's other parts of the world that you kind of like are looking at really getting out to?

Speaker 3:
[49:38] I'm going to South of France next month. I'm going to ride around there with my buddy on a panhead.

Speaker 1:
[49:45] In South of France, kind of like the some of the Alps like comes in to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[49:51] Doing a kickstart competition at one of their events over there. And then, yeah, we're going to spend about 10 days. I don't know where he's going to fucking take me. He came over. He's come over. Fuck. He was at Daytona this year. He comes over a lot with his girl, Emma, my buddy, Jimmy Gypsy, Jimmy. And he borrowed my Pan America. They went and did like fucking Dollywood and Elvis Presley's house. And they came to born. They were born Free Texas when you were in the art show.

Speaker 1:
[50:16] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[50:16] He was on that orange Pan Am of mine. Anyways, yeah, I'm going to go over there and ride South of France. You know, other than that, I mean, I want to ride Africa. Australia. I mean, I want to ride Morocco. I want to ride Namibia, Morocco, ride around Kenya. I want to ride to the Great Pyramids. You know, but I also want to go back to Mexico. Yeah. Like now. And it's so much more feasible and it's cheaper and the food's fucking great and there's still places I haven't been in there. But there's also a lot of places I want to show people. You know, like that last trip me and Brian did down to Oaxaca was so fucking epic, dude. Like the state of Oaxaca, dude, it's next fucking level. And you got everything from the city of Oaxaca down into the Mezcal farms up into the coffee country. You know, and then you got the mushroom capital of the world. And then this fucking windy roads takes you down to the fucking ocean and they got fucking nude beaches and regular beaches and local beaches. And I mean, it's fucking incredible.

Speaker 1:
[51:23] And that's on the mainland, right? It's not on the peninsula.

Speaker 3:
[51:25] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[51:26] Yeah. Yeah. That's like I said, I was hoping to get my cherry popped finally with Mexico here in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 3:
[51:32] Dude, it's right there. You don't have to go to California.

Speaker 1:
[51:35] I don't fuck it. Like I've always said this and I always tell people this. I was like, you.

Speaker 3:
[51:42] There's no bears in Mexico, dude. You either be scared of bears.

Speaker 1:
[51:47] You're just the kind of guy that just like slips into everything, like like like, you know, you're not even thinking about consequences. It feels like.

Speaker 2:
[51:54] Well, why?

Speaker 1:
[51:57] Well, exactly. It's a why. Like I'm an overthinking, like, OK, well, you know, I'm almost like planning this shit to happen.

Speaker 3:
[52:05] The consequences are part of those actions to begin with.

Speaker 1:
[52:08] Yeah, 100 percent.

Speaker 3:
[52:09] Like you want to go to Mexico, fucking go to Mexico, dude.

Speaker 1:
[52:13] Yeah, like I said, over thinking, I watched too. I analysis paralysis. I look too much into things and.

Speaker 3:
[52:23] Focus to start what you should start with the donkey crossing.

Speaker 1:
[52:26] You know, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3:
[52:26] Pay the guy on the little rowboat to take you across the ankle deep water.

Speaker 1:
[52:30] Exactly, dude.

Speaker 3:
[52:31] Rain a donkey right into town, get you a tequila, a taco and come back. And then after that, I think you'll be like, all right, you ready to go? I can do this now.

Speaker 1:
[52:39] Would you you are you mainly doing those trips over there on the Pan America or do you still do the chopper down there sometimes?

Speaker 3:
[52:45] Dude, there's an event in September. I really was hoping I was going to be able to ride my chopper, too, but I don't think it's going to happen. And I was Caliente, those guys, they know how to party there. No, I'm not done going down on my chopper, but having the Pan America just really opens up a lot of doors. I was really hoping to ride the M8 chopper down there in September. But September is fucking.

Speaker 1:
[53:08] It's busy, dude.

Speaker 3:
[53:10] Yeah, I'm going to be all over.

Speaker 1:
[53:12] So you got party at the pin at the beginning of the month. Then you got congregation, right? In congregation going on September?

Speaker 3:
[53:19] I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[53:20] I believe it's like.

Speaker 3:
[53:21] I'm not doing either one of those. Those are both great events though that I've done both of, and they're incredible. I'll be at Chopper Fest in Kansas City.

Speaker 1:
[53:30] I want to do that one pretty good.

Speaker 3:
[53:31] Then I got a new event that's going to be the weekend after that. I can't talk about yet up on the Great Lakes. That will be really fucking killer.

Speaker 1:
[53:41] I did a podcast with this dude James Folder out of Kansas City. He's kind of a part of this, which I think is so sick.

Speaker 3:
[53:52] I see the photographer guy, OKC183 or some shit.

Speaker 1:
[53:56] I did a podcast with him. I saw his photos he took at Born Free Texas.

Speaker 3:
[54:01] They're great.

Speaker 1:
[54:01] Sick photos, right? Then I was coming back from picking up that build that's downstairs. I was just talking about. And I said, they have that like a where they all kind of go in on a shop together and everybody has a corner kind of spot. And it's such a brilliant idea that I wish was more common these days with people like, hey, let's get our group.

Speaker 3:
[54:23] It is very common, but here in Texas, we all have shops.

Speaker 1:
[54:26] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[54:26] You know, there's more space. We're not fucking in a small city, you know, or in a big city with small spaces.

Speaker 1:
[54:33] Well, I would I would love to be in downtown Dallas if I can get a few homies to come together and we can have like a spot.

Speaker 3:
[54:38] You could do that if you went there.

Speaker 1:
[54:39] Be fun.

Speaker 3:
[54:40] You build it. They will come. Jace, come on. We learned this a long time ago. Build the dreams, baby.

Speaker 1:
[54:45] Exactly. But that place is just so photogenic.

Speaker 3:
[54:48] So did you go there?

Speaker 1:
[54:49] Kansas City.

Speaker 3:
[54:50] No, that shop.

Speaker 1:
[54:51] Yeah. Yeah. We did the podcast in that shop.

Speaker 3:
[54:53] Nice.

Speaker 1:
[54:54] And I've always liked the West Bottoms down there. It's just such a photogenic spot. But, you know, they I haven't been to it, but like seeing the photos of the caves and everything that David Mann used to paint, and you could still go to them today and everything is pretty sick. So that I was planning on going to that last year, but we were so like behind schedule on the chopper build that I was trying to get that done for Born Free. You know what I mean? So pretty much the last two years of my life, builds have been keeping me off the road.

Speaker 3:
[55:26] Dude, this one right now is fucking gone on a little longer and I'd like for it to.

Speaker 1:
[55:31] What's the premise on it?

Speaker 3:
[55:34] I'm building a fucking M8 chopper, you know, Morse Magneto, SNS Carburetor 1621 with some Vader wheels from Lead Sled Customs and some ape hangers. It's a paint by Chemical Candy, dude. I mean, the only flames that I run and it's close. It's fucking, you know, it's like to that point where it's really close. You're just missing some pieces that are keeping me from going a little further.

Speaker 1:
[55:58] Yeah. What was the initial inspiration to want to go that direction?

Speaker 3:
[56:04] Well, you know, I opened my fat mouth and was like, you know, the MA would be a great motor to build a chopper out of. And my buddy BJ, at good times, motorcycle supply in Hays, Kansas, was like, I got the bike for you to do that with. I'm like, fuck. All right. Well, let's do it. So, you know, ever since I did the podcast with that fucking hopper guy, dude, you know, he did 100,000 miles on that motor. I'm like, you know, I used to think I wanted to build an Evo chopper, you know, that was going to be the next thing I built was like a longer lasting chopper motor Evo. No, fuck the EMA is where it's at. So, you know, that soft tail platform is great. The suspension works fucking good. Riding that pain am around like, damn, you know, having a push button and suspension is fucking great. You know, the places I've been able to take my chopper, God knows where I could take this EMA. Yeah, so I'm, you know, this is leaving the suspension. I went down to Darrell Borba's shop, Bad Choppers outside Magnolia, and we put in a round backbone, got rid of the square backbone that's in there. You know, we moved the neck around just a little bit, but it'll be a pretty stock stance. Going to Frisco, Mount Esports, Dratang. I'm pretty much building my chopper with suspension and modern components.

Speaker 1:
[57:19] Yeah, yeah. Can't beat it. I mean, the Morse Magneto thing, so that's like eliminating a lot.

Speaker 3:
[57:25] Dude, I got it to run last week. Fuck, I was just so relieved. You know, that's like magic to me. I don't know how the fuck all that works, you know? I know how to time a motor. At least I know how to time my shovel head. And on this M8, there's no like, there's no like timing marks on the fly. Well, there's nothing to time. It's like all fucking magnet. I don't even know how the fuck the computer does it. But I pulled all the computer, all the boxes, all the wires off. They're just sitting on the ground. They're not any help. And when you get that magneto, he sends you, it's the whole nose cone cover that just bolts right on. It's pretty fucking user friendly. But before that, you bolt like a worm drive gear onto the end of the cam. But there's nothing to orientate it, you know?

Speaker 1:
[58:05] Oh, so it can kind of go on a different...

Speaker 3:
[58:07] It's just on, however you zip it on. And then once you finally get the mag on there, you time it off the cylinders. Well, I've always timed it off the front cylinder when I do my shovel head. In the instructions that I finally ended up following after taking everything apart fucking multiple times, it's like, we've had better luck with timing it off the rear cylinder. And sure enough, it fucking popped right off. Which was awesome because I was starting to think that, you know, it just wasn't gonna fucking work, you know? So that felt really good. And then I figured out, Nick was over there the next day and he was like, are you gonna run a foot clutch on it? And I'm like, really, I haven't really, you know, I'd love to, but I don't, I think there's too much involved and there's nothing really to fucking build off of. And then sure enough, we figured it out minutes later. So now it's gonna have a foot clutch on there.

Speaker 1:
[58:53] That's gonna be sick.

Speaker 3:
[58:56] Yeah, pretty simple little setup, just kind of rerouted the clutch cable using the original shifter that goes through the primary. That's gonna be the clutch lever. It's pretty simple.

Speaker 1:
[59:07] Yeah, I think after last year, Born Free, we've seen Power Plant and Hawks bike. It did kind of get the bearings well. And like, kind of like I'm sure that you're dealt with, you can get those older low rider inmates or street clubs.

Speaker 3:
[59:26] You can buy a brand new one for fucking less than 20 grand. Yeah, but a brand new one. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[59:34] But you can get them for like seven, eight grand, six grand in some areas now.

Speaker 3:
[59:38] Yeah, you can get them for real cheap.

Speaker 1:
[59:39] And just chop those up. Cause I wouldn't mind doing like my gold FXR chopper in that kind of, you know, way, if you will. You know what I'm saying? So that's something. But my next one's the Evo Chop. That's where I'm at right now. I got two Evo motors. I got a set of wheels right under here for it. And I want to build an 80s style.

Speaker 3:
[60:04] Like tough guy chopper.

Speaker 1:
[60:05] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[60:06] Like delivering cocaine with.

Speaker 1:
[60:08] Maybe not delivering, maybe doing it. Yeah. Like those wheels were the original wheels I'd order for the shovel head, but they never showed up until after the bike was done. And I wanted them to kind of mimic old IROC Z wheels for the old Camaros. And so I just, I did a podcast with Oliver from Cut Rate and we kind of was talking about like styles. And I was like, I just don't know what style, you know, I wanted to have these kinds of looks these kind of like call backs to like a late 60s, early 70s chopper, but what would it look like if you'd built that in the 80s? You know what I'm saying? Like how would that, that kind of translate? So still a four speed, still, you know, all the other.

Speaker 3:
[60:50] 80s are fucking weird, dude. I mean, 84 was a good year, but it's weird. Some weird, a lot of plastic, weird fucking music, a lot of plastic, cry little sister. Don't even know what that is.

Speaker 1:
[61:05] Lost Boys, baby. The OG motorcycle movie, riding dirt bikes, the greatest fucking vampire movie ever. The real one, that gay ass fucking Twilight stuff.

Speaker 3:
[61:17] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[61:19] It's good times. Yeah, I, I, I'm pretty hooked on it, man. But you know what the other thing is that you have the riding side of the chopper, but you have the building side too. And whether you're building a frame or, or you're modifying a frame, like it just, there's no box that you have to sit in. Like everything you do. I mean, you, you can kind of put yourself in a box. Like I want it to be a period correct bike or like this or like that. But you know, like if you had a bagger, like a modern bagger and you want to build a bike, it's like you either go on a performance bagger route or maybe a big wheel or a fat tire route. Like there's, there's like boxes you choose. You really can't go out of that. That has like a good aesthetic.

Speaker 3:
[62:00] Kind of vehicle.

Speaker 1:
[62:02] Yeah. You have vehicle stuff and stuff like, you don't even, but it just, it feels very freeing to just be creative. Not that you're reamed in inventing anything. It's just like, you can go so many directions. Like your interpretation go with.

Speaker 3:
[62:16] Yeah. And there's a lot of options.

Speaker 1:
[62:18] So many, you know, and like on a bagger or, you know, I don't think there is though.

Speaker 3:
[62:22] There's only one option, it's just a Frisco Sporty Tank.

Speaker 1:
[62:25] I mean, it's the only option if you want it to like be the most usable, you know. I'm getting like 95, 100 miles out of my tank.

Speaker 3:
[62:32] What's on your tank, on your bike?

Speaker 1:
[62:34] We did a Sporty Tank. It's a 2.1 gallon. Then we moved the filler up a little bit higher, moved the petcock to the best position, you know, Frisco mounted it. So, you know, like I said, I'm getting about 95 to 100 out of the tank. Which not that I'm on it that long, like, but that's the other thing about riding those things is like it feels. It doesn't hurt. It really doesn't like everybody made me feel so like, oh, man, you're the roads going to kill you is like, man, yeah, every once while you'll get that one that you forgot your mouth was open and you just fucking chatted your teeth, right? But for the most part, your crews at a different pace, you cat, you're able to catch and scan a lot of things and and kind of maneuver around it. And it's just not as uncomfortable as I think people were so adamantly saying it was.

Speaker 3:
[63:22] So uncomfortable, it's not so uncomfortable.

Speaker 1:
[63:25] Yeah, compared to what a car fucking it's not that bad, dude.

Speaker 3:
[63:31] Oh, I love my chopper. What kind of CD you wrote?

Speaker 1:
[63:34] We made it. We did. I made a pan that I have a guy up in Fayetteville, James Carter. He's been doing my seats for years, so he did the FXR chopper and he used to do all my bagger stuff back in the day.

Speaker 3:
[63:46] He makes a comfy seat?

Speaker 1:
[63:48] I think so. It's a harder foam, so you have more cushion, like you're not like sinking all the way to the bottom of it. You know, like when you buy a brand new bike, it's like comfy when you sit on it, but if you ride on it, you start to kind of move all the foam out of the way. And next thing you know, you're kind of sitting on...

Speaker 3:
[64:02] I don't know about that.

Speaker 1:
[64:03] I do. I do.

Speaker 3:
[64:06] My LaParis seat is the shit, dude.

Speaker 1:
[64:08] That's a LaParis seat, not a stock seat.

Speaker 3:
[64:11] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[64:11] You know? LaParis seats are pretty nice, man.

Speaker 3:
[64:15] Yeah, mine's fucking great. I think I'm on my third one.

Speaker 1:
[64:17] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[64:18] On that bike.

Speaker 1:
[64:19] On the Chop?

Speaker 3:
[64:21] One of them I just wore out. The other one I fucking wrecked, slid it down the road and blew it out. And then, yeah, I'm on my third one.

Speaker 1:
[64:29] Sick. I just... making stuff fit perfectly to the bike. That's just that's kind of where I'm from, you know?

Speaker 3:
[64:37] So my shit fits perfectly to the bike. Perfectly in my ass too.

Speaker 1:
[64:42] Sure.

Speaker 3:
[64:43] It does.

Speaker 1:
[64:43] I see those gaps. Now that I know what I'm looking at, I can pick up part of Chopper.

Speaker 3:
[64:48] What are you looking at?

Speaker 1:
[64:50] I'm just saying now that I know what those... That's why I was telling someone else is like, I used to go to swap meets before, before doing this Chopper. And I'm like, I don't know what the fucking shit is. You know what I'm saying? And then now it's like I can go, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's a bearing support plate or that's this. Like, you kind of know the parts and you can see the, like, maybe not the value, but like, I'm looking for this. I'm looking for a coil bracket or this or that. You know what I mean? As opposed to before, I just go to swap meets. Like, I don't know why the people are saying this is so sick because I don't know what any of this shit is.

Speaker 3:
[65:20] You never needed none of it.

Speaker 1:
[65:21] Yeah, exactly. So now I do.

Speaker 3:
[65:25] Well, that LaParis seat fucking built for a rigid frame fits fucking perfect.

Speaker 1:
[65:30] They look good. I do, I will give them that.

Speaker 3:
[65:32] They feel good too.

Speaker 1:
[65:33] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[65:34] I get reminded when I write other ones. Now, that stock fucking bagger seat was pretty fucking good. Yeah. But, you know, it wasn't on it very long.

Speaker 1:
[65:44] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[65:45] And I could have sat on fucking almost anything riding down the PCH, dude. Weather was fucking perfect, dude. Radio, Blair and Leonard Skinner the whole time. Are you going to put speakers under your chopper? You know, like the ones that went out to the handlebars or anything like that?

Speaker 1:
[65:59] No, dude, come on.

Speaker 3:
[66:01] No?

Speaker 1:
[66:01] No.

Speaker 3:
[66:02] Just giving up on the tunes altogether?

Speaker 1:
[66:04] I never really listened to them.

Speaker 3:
[66:05] Really?

Speaker 1:
[66:06] Yeah, even the baggers.

Speaker 3:
[66:07] The baggers? You never took advantage of the radio up front?

Speaker 1:
[66:10] No, because I come from the era of baggers where we did the radio to the fullest, and it's just obnoxious. And so I think I'm one of the rare dudes that just really enjoys the silence of being on a bike. Like, I don't listen to anything. Everyone's like I have those meta glasses now that have like the cameras and shit on it. And man, you put those on in like a like a custom destruction helmet or something. Perfect sound like you can listen to music going down the road with the wind in your face. It's perfect. But those things only last like maybe an hour and a half, two hours, you know what I'm saying, before it dies. I don't care for the music on the bikes. Like I just it's just not my thing. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3:
[66:52] And I mean, I've never done it until that bagger and I fucking loved it. I mean, I until that shovel head rode up next to me and I'm like, hey, get the fuck out of here. Just whack the throttle to get away from him so I can hear the music again.

Speaker 1:
[67:05] I'm just I've been listening. I've been had the music for so long. It's just it doesn't do anything for me anymore.

Speaker 3:
[67:10] Yeah, I tried. I tried to do the earbuds, but it never works. My ears are all fucked. I love listening to some music, especially when I'm jamming through the woods.

Speaker 1:
[67:21] Well, that's the other problem now is on the shovel head. Like I need to hear the bike.

Speaker 3:
[67:25] Do you?

Speaker 1:
[67:26] I do. I'm still asking questions, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3:
[67:30] No, people say that, and if you're on a good, long journey, it is nice to be able to stay in tune with it.

Speaker 1:
[67:37] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[67:38] But then I also feel like, dude, sometimes it makes more noises when I ride without my helmet. I'm like, oh, it's fixing to blow up. Now I'm just like, cinch the helmet down tighter. It's making noises. Just ignore it a little longer. Because then sometimes you'll be chasing your fucking tail over something that's nothing, dude.

Speaker 1:
[67:58] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[67:59] I feel it more than anything, like vibrations.

Speaker 1:
[68:02] Because everything's rigid mounted, you do feel like something's loose. Like I can feel that.

Speaker 3:
[68:07] The fucking motor mouse get loose, fucking frame cracks. You notice that shit.

Speaker 1:
[68:10] Yeah. So like I said, it's just tapping into so much. So it's been a great experience. But I think not being able to start it for so long, like learning that part, like learning how to kick it, you know, because everybody tells you how they start their bike. And so you start trying to do their, their method. And once I just went back to basics and said, all right, like what's the Harley procedure to start a bike?

Speaker 3:
[68:36] What is the Harley procedure?

Speaker 1:
[68:37] I don't know. I'm just saying like, I went back and just said, okay, I would imagine it's just like, give it some gas, a couple of prime kicks. But everybody was like, do three, three pumps, kick it, then do this. And I would, it would be flooded out basically by the time I did that, because you got a super year on there. Yeah. And so the super E and my jets in there were, so it's been a combination of learning the super E carb and how that interacts with the motor. Because remember, I think I talked to you with, we were on the phone once. I was like, man, everybody's saying go to points. If I go to points, what's your opinion? You know, he's like, yeah, do it. I've done it forever. So Haney put points in it when I stayed at his house one night because we have Haney, we had a hard time getting it started. But when it cut out on me going down to Fandango, and I had to go get the van, bring it back.

Speaker 3:
[69:27] Yeah, what happened? What happened? You couldn't make it from here to Fredericksburg? So you're trying to leave to Mexico. No wonder you'd rather work on bikes in your shop. Yeah, you make it to Fredericksburg.

Speaker 1:
[69:45] So we were we were we were in Wimberley, Texas, right? We were headed to Devil's Back.

Speaker 3:
[69:50] Beautiful.

Speaker 1:
[69:51] And yeah, just like I came around a corner and it just like was I was giving the gas and was just falling on its face, like wouldn't wouldn't work. So I ended up pulling over. Unfortunately, I was like three miles from Jacob Kennard's house. So I text him. He's like, sounds like your your your condenser is going out. I'm like, OK, well, I've never had this bike before this this set up. So this is all like learning stuff for me. And I've never felt what it did, which was like it would run. But if you gave it gas, it was just like falling on its face almost. Yeah. So we get it to Jacob Kennard's. He has like one of those fancy six and ones from worst Magneto. Yeah. So we put that on. And then like out of nowhere, it starts working, right? Didn't work right away.

Speaker 3:
[70:34] Oh, really?

Speaker 1:
[70:35] We put it on. It was doing the same shit. And he's like playing with little switches on there.

Speaker 3:
[70:39] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[70:39] Got to work. I'm like, oh, fuck sick. All right. Hey, thank you, Jacob. You know, jump on the bike, mile down the road, same shit had him come pick me up again. So I'm like, man, maybe it's a coil, you know, because I'm thinking everything, the whole charging system is brand new. I went with a 22 amp charging system, but it was like a V twin instead of like psycho electric. Psychoelectric didn't have any 22 amp charging systems anywhere. Hog Supply did, so I bought one from Hog Supply and, you know, turns out, coil wasn't the issue. I owned it out and I bought another one just so that if I didn't do that right, same shit, ended up ordering a psycho electric, just going back to a 32 amp charging system, put it in there, bam, back to normal.

Speaker 3:
[71:25] Why did you want a 22 amp?

Speaker 1:
[71:29] Because it's, you don't need that much power.

Speaker 3:
[71:31] Somebody didn't recommend psycho electric or nothing?

Speaker 1:
[71:34] Well, they did recommend that, but I couldn't find the 22 amp in psycho electric. And so, yes, I ended up being the issue, but the thing that-

Speaker 3:
[71:43] So the battery was dying on you?

Speaker 1:
[71:45] No, it wasn't, I guess maybe. I mean, essentially the charging system-

Speaker 3:
[71:51] Because you don't need a charging system for the bike to run, but you need a battery that's charged up. And to keep the battery charged up, you need a charging system.

Speaker 1:
[72:00] That's kind of where it's weird, because when you kick it over, it would kind of find its groove again and start running right. And then you give it a little gas and it'd go back to idling like shit. So I had a hard time-

Speaker 3:
[72:11] Like maybe it was shorting out in the, what do you call it, that fucking-

Speaker 1:
[72:16] Yeah, like maybe it was touching the dill, possible. I'm not clear.

Speaker 3:
[72:20] Did you do- No, I'm talking about the charging system.

Speaker 1:
[72:24] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[72:24] Like inside of there, there could have been a wire loose that was grounding out as it was spinning around.

Speaker 1:
[72:29] It could have. You know, I just, I kind of talked about-

Speaker 3:
[72:31] Did you change the whole charging system with Psycho Electric?

Speaker 1:
[72:33] Yeah, it went over.

Speaker 3:
[72:34] Yeah, no problem now, right?

Speaker 1:
[72:35] So far, I haven't gone anywhere yet. So maybe I tried, you said-

Speaker 3:
[72:39] Batteries and switches, dude. Those are the first things to check.

Speaker 1:
[72:42] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[72:42] Batteries are fucking junk, dude, especially on a rigid mounted shovel head. They vibrate, especially you say you vibrate a lot. The batteries are going to go out. You got to have it like well supported, you know, like rubber stops, but then it also needs like air space to cool off. If there's not a lot of like room for air to rotate around that battery, it's going to get fucking hot, swell up.

Speaker 1:
[73:04] Okay. That's good to know.

Speaker 3:
[73:06] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[73:06] Yeah. Cause I have like a mounted holder.

Speaker 3:
[73:08] And just take an extra battery.

Speaker 1:
[73:10] Fuck.

Speaker 3:
[73:11] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[73:13] It's a lot of space.

Speaker 3:
[73:13] Velourity would be upset if I didn't tell you that.

Speaker 1:
[73:17] There's AutoZones in O'Reilly's everywhere.

Speaker 3:
[73:20] So you're right.

Speaker 1:
[73:21] I'm pretty much, you know.

Speaker 3:
[73:22] I mean, if you're not riding by yourself.

Speaker 1:
[73:24] Yeah. Well, I think that, again, this is where maybe a new, it's a fun challenge, but also it's challenging for me is that I have to take camera gear and podcast gear when I go somewhere.

Speaker 3:
[73:37] Yeah. So you got a podcast. You could probably rig up one of those fucking camera batteries to run that fucking bike forever, dude. Yeah, probably charge it up every night. Just plug it into the wall, put some flap, you know, just like tape some fucking connectors on there. It doesn't need a lot of power.

Speaker 2:
[73:52] You got all your drills and stuff down here.

Speaker 1:
[73:54] Yeah, just take a bunch of those. But yeah, it gets a little bit difficult when you're trying to like pack out camera gear.

Speaker 3:
[73:59] So is the charging system and the battery that kept you from making it?

Speaker 1:
[74:03] To this point, I don't know if it was either one because I swapped both out. So I'm just going to have to ride it around.

Speaker 3:
[74:08] Did you not ride it back from Fredericksburg?

Speaker 1:
[74:10] No, I had to.

Speaker 3:
[74:10] Or you just came home after that?

Speaker 1:
[74:12] My wife was headed down to Austin for a girls trip weekend. So she wasn't-

Speaker 3:
[74:18] You fucked up her whole girls trip, didn't you?

Speaker 1:
[74:20] No, she just left me the car and then I drove home. And then, because she didn't need the car once she got there. So she came pick me up, I dropped her off, went back home and then came back down in the van, picked up the bike, her, shit like that. So it worked out, you know what I mean? But it's the first time I've ever been on a bike trip or whatever and had a breakdown that I couldn't fix on the road.

Speaker 3:
[74:40] Really?

Speaker 1:
[74:41] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[74:41] First time.

Speaker 1:
[74:42] First time. Hmm. Fucking almost 20 years of riding, you know.

Speaker 3:
[74:46] First time you've ever hauled a bike off the road. Let's see, I've done that. Fuck, at least once this year, I just gave up. Well, where did I give up recently? I was like, babe, come and fucking get me. Oh, I guess it wasn't this year, it was last year. About this time. No, that fuck. It seemed like recently I was like, oh, in Colorado, yeah. On the way to fucking Sturgis last year.

Speaker 1:
[75:16] Oh shit, on the way?

Speaker 3:
[75:18] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[75:19] Those on the ways are kind of the worst, right? Cause like, I feel like if they were to broke down the way home from Fandango would have been way better.

Speaker 3:
[75:26] Really?

Speaker 1:
[75:26] Yeah, cause I'm like, it, I already did what I wanted to do.

Speaker 3:
[75:29] Yeah, well, the mission wasn't over. It's like I broke down, the fucking bike still hasn't ran since then.

Speaker 1:
[75:34] For real?

Speaker 3:
[75:35] But she picked me up. Fuck, and then I took my wife to Sturgis. She never would have got to go to Sturgis if I didn't break down. I never would be like, hey, I'll take you to Sturgis this year. I mean, maybe at some point I will, but...

Speaker 1:
[75:48] Yeah, it works out well. So, how, like, I mean, you were, you were captain plugged in to the Harley ecosphere before. Like, how are you feeling about everything they're doing now with the new, the new CEO and stuff?

Speaker 3:
[76:02] I mean, what are they doing now? They fired a bunch of people. You know, nothing's, I don't see anything that's, like, changing quite yet. Uh, you know, they're not selling a shit ton of bikes. And they have a shit ton of dealers. Unfortunately, I don't like that we're losing the coolest dealers, you know, the ones that have the most character, the mom pop shops that aren't able to, like, make it through this fucking rough time. So the bigger conglomerates are going to make it through, which, you know, I don't think, I don't know any way to help that. I hate, I would hate to be in their position making these decisions. You know, everybody belly aches about price, and they need a fucking sportster, and I'm just, I just don't see it, you know? I'm like, there's plenty of fucking sportsters out there, you know, like, does the motor company need to make a brand new fucking beginner bike for you to get into riding motorcycles when there's fucking, they could quit making motorcycles tomorrow, and we would still have plenty of fucking Harleys to ride for a long time. You know, I love the Pan America. I hope that they, like, do some different things to that platform, you know. I was hoping they were going to throw some fucking bags on it and really do up that ST, you know, more like the low rider ST, which I don't, you know, they may do that in the future. I don't really know, but I could see that being a hit. I mean, the whole performance bagger, performance bike, the performance Harley shit, you know, it's opened up people's eyes to, like, be more accepting to the Pan America, I think, where they're like, yeah, no, we really want it to work good. It's like, okay, well, look, here, this one works really good. Works better than the M8, but it's totally different, you know, it's not air-cooled. There's not even any fucking cooling fins on it. You know, I love that. Are they going to be able to keep doing it? I mean, I think they should fucking go drastic and just fucking, you know, put a 450 out and get some fucking badass like Hayden Deegan racing it on Saturday night at the Supercross track. I don't think it's out of line to think that they could go that far in a different direction and sure, people would be bummed out. I don't want to fucking ride my bagger because they're making dirt bikes now, but fuck those faggots. You know, I think that their biggest handicap, their biggest problem is they're fucking the stereotypical Harley consumer that's like, bring production home and make the bikes cheaper. You know, like that's not going to get us anywhere. Yeah, they're in a tough spot, but you know, it's not unique to Harley right now either.

Speaker 1:
[78:31] Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 3:
[78:32] I mean, and I've talked about this many times, like how are they still making a brand new motorcycle for less than 20 grand, you know? While trucks have gone up fucking 300% in the last 20 years. You know? And everybody, when they talk about prices, they want to say, oh, the fucking bag, there's 40, $50,000. Like, well, yeah, that's for a fucking tricked out bagger from the motor company. This shouldn't be fucking cheap, you know? And if you can't afford it, then buy another one, you know? Like, you shouldn't be able to afford it. Like, there should be, you know, not everybody deserves one. And there's plenty of fucking used ones on the market. Now, I don't know how to like, I don't know how the motor company makes money off the dealers or the other networks selling used bikes, but you know, I think there's, who knows? I don't know. What do you think?

Speaker 1:
[79:22] It feels like the, I've heard the dirt bike conversation brought up quite a bit, I think that's probably one of the smartest things they could do, because as far as like getting younger riders to start prepping them for when they get older with the brand, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3:
[79:37] Well, I mean, I think they're essentially doing that with the Moto GP, you know, like that is not only is it bringing in a whole new crowd and whole new audience to Moto GP racing, it's putting Harley in front of a shit ton of kids whose dads probably wouldn't be like, look at the Harleys, they're cool, you know? If those dads are watching Moto GP and it's authentic form, you know, those kids are probably going to, they're now going to get introduced to Harley. And with the numbers being so close and them being loud and grabbing the attention of people at those races, like it will, you know, I mean, that's so much more entertaining to see that go by you, I imagine than those sport bikes.

Speaker 1:
[80:16] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[80:18] I think that's a good long term, you know, like that's good, like long term.

Speaker 1:
[80:24] But it does feel it would be very smart for them to lean more into the just the off road stuff with the Pan America to try to just continue to build up that kind of side of the brand. You know, if you, I'm not very versed in it, but just like very ignorant perspective outside looking in, you know, you have BMW and KTM, it's just got this vast network that they built through all.

Speaker 3:
[80:47] Yeah, KTM went out of business.

Speaker 1:
[80:49] They did?

Speaker 3:
[80:49] Yeah, got bought out by another company.

Speaker 1:
[80:51] Oh, shit.

Speaker 3:
[80:52] You know, BMW, that's a hard model to follow. I mean, they're like, you know, they're, they're doing big things. They fucking got cars and motorcycles. They're like developing production methods and selling them to all the other OEMs.

Speaker 1:
[81:05] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[81:06] They're not making money off just their motorcycle sales. You know? Yeah, that's, I mean, they're just got a hard line to toe right now. And I think that being more open to them doing things, not being as like, I mean, every time Harley puts out anything new, people are like, that's not cool. You know, like really, every time it seems like they come out with something new, most people are like, that's not cool. Fuck Harley.

Speaker 2:
[81:35] They have to prove themselves over and over.

Speaker 1:
[81:38] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[81:38] Well, they just have such a wide audience of like, well, the brand means so much to everybody individually, and they have their own idea of what it means to them and what they think that brand represents and what they want to see that brand do. And when it doesn't nail it to a teeth and they're like, you know, the company died in 1984.

Speaker 1:
[81:57] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[81:57] Yeah. You know, I could stand behind that argument as well. I mean, honestly, I think if the motor company went out of business tomorrow, we'd be doing just fine. You know, there's plenty of fucking Harleys. We're not going to stop riding them.

Speaker 1:
[82:09] Yeah. I mean, I not that I want to see that happen.

Speaker 3:
[82:12] I'm just saying, like, there are a shit ton of motorcycles out there. That's what makes it so tough for them right now to come up with new stuff. Keep people excited when, you know, the aftermarket is just, you know, taking advantage of the shit that is already cool, you know, that has already been proven. They have to come out with new product.

Speaker 1:
[82:30] I do feel like if if Harley would have done what Buell's doing right now as a super cruiser, then they would have gotten a lot of flak for it or hate or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 3:
[82:40] What are they doing? They're making a Harley-like motorcycle without Harley parts.

Speaker 1:
[82:44] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[82:44] They talk about that company without talking about Harley.

Speaker 1:
[82:47] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[82:47] You know, you can't really.

Speaker 1:
[82:49] So I get that it's like a very complicated place to be, you know what I mean? And I mean.

Speaker 2:
[82:55] But what is what is they?

Speaker 3:
[82:56] What are what is that Buell company doing that's so unique compared to what Harley's doing?

Speaker 1:
[83:02] I think that they're putting Pan America technology in a more traditional looking overall stance, aesthetic, I guess you'd say.

Speaker 3:
[83:12] And just like Harley's doing with the VVT technology on the M8s and the ride modes and the adaptive suspension, I mean, that's what I agree.

Speaker 1:
[83:22] I think that it's there, you know.

Speaker 3:
[83:23] That's what I'm saying, like, what is what are they doing that's so different and revolutionary than what the, you know, the low rider is?

Speaker 1:
[83:30] Everybody that I've talked to that's ridden the Super Cruiser says it just feels like a Pan America. I mean, it's relatively, I mean, yeah, I think the Super Cruiser's got more horsepower, but it's a water-cooled motor. It makes a ton of horsepower, not a lot of ton of torque. You know what I mean? So the feeling that I think the Pan America is a water-cooled motor. Yeah, and it makes a ton of horsepower.

Speaker 3:
[83:51] And it can rip fucking dirt, you know? The Pan America will out-ride any Harley in the lineup, and it'll fucking do some gnarly off-road shit.

Speaker 1:
[84:01] So that's why when they had posted that, the one from Mama Tried, the cafe thing, they're like that, I think there might be an audience for that, for sure, but who's to say? Like I said, I feel like Harley just cannot get a break from its audience. Like you said, they're so, you know, it means so much to so many people that no matter what they do, it always feels like it's unaligned with them.

Speaker 3:
[84:24] I mean, I think everything they've been doing is fucking great over the last...

Speaker 1:
[84:27] Personally, same.

Speaker 3:
[84:27] I mean, the coolest bikes I've seen since I've ever paid attention to them, you know? I never thought I'd want a new bike, you know? Once I got a new bike, my first Harley, I immediately went back in time, you know, and got my shovel head. Been riding that ever since. And then they put out the Pan America, those fucking throwback models with the cool retro paint jobs. Those are sick, the fucking ST, I mean. I feel like they classically did the FXR Justice, you know, with the modern chassis and just making it different, but also like, you know, tipping their hat to it. Yeah. The fucking baggers, I mean, they're fucking great. I'm telling you, dude, I rode that bagger this year and I did not hesitate at all to jump on that thing and ride down the fucking coast. It does its job well. Paul's got that fucking limited road glide, dude. It fucking rips, dude. And that motherfucker carries suitcases and shit behind him. You know, you don't even notice any of that.

Speaker 1:
[85:25] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[85:25] I mean, it does the job well.

Speaker 1:
[85:28] Yeah. So with the new CEO, I think that the goal is to, for him to, or I think his goals are pretty much to make the brand more recreational, I think is maybe in a term of what they were, they were saying.

Speaker 3:
[85:41] Where did you get this information?

Speaker 1:
[85:42] From an insider.

Speaker 3:
[85:46] From an insider. Make it more recreational than it already is. That's all it is, is a recreational vehicle. Well, I think it's, I think that the brand is obviously is recreational, but like, I think they could go the complete opposite way and be like, dude, you can buy this for less than a brand new truck, and you can ride it to work every day. The traffic is fucked. You can go around the traffic.

Speaker 1:
[86:06] Well, that's why I say this every time I talk to a lot of dealers is like, you know, if you guys would like help lobby or I don't even know how this works. I'm just kind of like talking shit in the air.

Speaker 3:
[86:15] Talking about lobbyists. You're getting political on us.

Speaker 1:
[86:17] Well, yeah, if you can find a way to get more states in board with lane splitting or at least filtering, that would open up commuter travel so much in motorcycling. I mean, in Texas alone, if we could filter those, those, you know, whether it's on the highway, great point. More people ride their bikes to work. It'll be more of a commuter bike. Therefore, would build the entire economy up in those areas because more shops like David Brown's, you know, Brown Cycle is going to have more maintenance coming in more. Well, I bought this bike so I can save on gas and time and whatnot. But now I was like, I kind of like riding. I want to go riding in the country now. So it opens up to more recreational side of Harley Day or of riding motorcycles in general. I mean, it's not a coincidence. I mean, you got a place like California where you can pretty much ride all year long on almost every part of it, right? Well, now you can lane split. So you have an incentive to travel to work on that thing. If that was like that, I think in Phoenix or Vegas, one of those like filtering is legal now. I think in both.

Speaker 3:
[87:19] Arizona it is.

Speaker 1:
[87:20] Yeah, so it's like that's a huge motorcycle state. Now more people are probably going to be riding those bikes to work.

Speaker 3:
[87:27] I think you should do this. You should fucking take up that torch, Jace. Put together a big lobby group, start going down to Austin.

Speaker 1:
[87:36] Honestly, you seem more like the guy that would get their attention if they were there.

Speaker 3:
[87:40] I mean, yeah, I probably could. But I like that it's illegal. You know, I don't want it. I obviously, you know.

Speaker 1:
[87:46] You're the dude that don't want weed legal, so you can still buy it from a drug dealer.

Speaker 3:
[87:49] Well, drug dealers could still make money, dude. Drug dealers used to spend money too, you know. Now they're like, Oliver was talking about that on the podcast with Randy Adams, which is a really good podcast if you guys haven't heard that. Like how drug dealers used to come in to just throw money at the tattoo artist, like, no, they ain't doing that no more. Ain't nobody making money off weed, dude. They're just fucking regular farmers now, dude. Even though it's like illegal in Texas, you know. Everybody smokes weed, it's everywhere. But no, it's like, I like skateboarding more when it was like illegal, you know, and there wasn't skate parks to go skate in, you know. It was like, it's just more exciting when you like got, you got maybe four tries at this staircase before the fucking security guard comes out and calls the cops.

Speaker 1:
[88:35] Yep.

Speaker 3:
[88:37] But I think it's, you know, that would do a lot for incentivizing people to ride motorcycles more.

Speaker 1:
[88:44] Yeah. And I agree 100%. And that's why I feel like it's something that if more dealerships saw that aspect, then maybe they could find a way to, you know, they have more market share to be able to pull and get things happening or whatever the case may be. I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[88:59] Well, I'm sure they just know people. Like, you know, my dad's business, they got like the North Texas Automobile Dealers Association where they pull their money together. And that's exactly what they do is they pay lobbyists to like, you know, hopefully make the laws work in a way that's beneficial to them selling trucks.

Speaker 1:
[89:14] Exactly.

Speaker 3:
[89:15] I would imagine that there's something like that in the motorcycle industry. I mean, you wouldn't have to stop with just Harley dealers. You could bring in all.

Speaker 1:
[89:21] Yeah, because it would be all.

Speaker 3:
[89:22] Motorcycle dealers.

Speaker 1:
[89:23] It would be a rising tide.

Speaker 3:
[89:25] And it seems like there's a fucking group that does this already. What is it? A-Bait?

Speaker 1:
[89:30] Yeah, I've heard of them. Yeah, but they're probably more like trying to get helmet laws taken away and stuff like that.

Speaker 3:
[89:35] Well, that's where they started, but I'm sure that they're also trying to get filtering. What do you call lane filtering?

Speaker 1:
[89:42] Filtering is when you basically, when traffic had to stop, you moved to the front, right? Or at a very slow pace, you moved to the front. Splitting is just like, you know, if it's anything under the speed limit, you're technically allowed to go through it. You know what I mean? Or I don't know fucking exactly what it is, but California is splitting. Like you can just travel through the middle lane no matter what.

Speaker 3:
[90:06] Oh, dude, they got that giant fucking lane right there in between the HOV lane and the regular traffic. Lane splitting in California is easy.

Speaker 1:
[90:13] It is.

Speaker 3:
[90:13] lane split through Fort Worth and Rush Hour, dude, with all these fucking giant trucks and trailers and shit. Well, that's kind of horses sticking their head out. Fucking cow haulers just pissing down the fucking highway, just rolling out of the fucking side of that thing.

Speaker 1:
[90:27] Yeah, it's real biker shit. Taking a little bit of that to the face. Well, that's kind of the other that's that's one of the arguments that like we said at the beginning of this podcast, like a lot of people. It would take time for the public to understand that things are legal for it to be able to happen. Right. So that's kind of it's not like you make a law and then all of a sudden everybody's like, oh, yeah, come on.

Speaker 3:
[90:47] I mean, Texas hadn't even legalized weed. Fucking lane splitting is not coming anytime soon.

Speaker 1:
[90:53] You know, anything that makes you really feel free in this state that's supposed to be the freest, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[90:58] Got our guns out here.

Speaker 1:
[91:01] Carry that wherever I want, but I can't just like go right down this lane.

Speaker 3:
[91:04] Yeah, but you can.

Speaker 1:
[91:05] I know I do, but the problem is it's like...

Speaker 3:
[91:08] The laws are not for everybody. Those are for the people that need laws, okay?

Speaker 1:
[91:14] I'm just glad I'm at a point in life.

Speaker 3:
[91:16] Like, there's no laws that I follow because it's a law.

Speaker 1:
[91:19] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[91:19] You know? Like, the things that I don't do, it's not because there's a law in the books, but some people need that.

Speaker 1:
[91:29] Fair enough. I'm just saying, I still do it, and I would happily explain my position if I got pulled over.

Speaker 3:
[91:38] Oh, I have, dude. I've fucking been pulled over for it. Not even pulled over. They just catch up to me in an unmarked car. They let me know that they're a cop and that I'm doing something illegal. I'm like, thank you, sir.

Speaker 1:
[91:49] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[91:50] Carry on now.

Speaker 1:
[91:53] So the chopper, you're almost done with it. You were saying you were trying to have it done for County Seat, right?

Speaker 3:
[92:00] Yeah, I was hoping County Seat or Tennessee, but we'll see. We'll see.

Speaker 1:
[92:05] Tennessee's probably more realistic, huh?

Speaker 3:
[92:08] Yeah, it is definitely a possibility. Yeah, I would really like to have it done for that. So when I get back from France, I can jump on it and jam straight to party at the Penn.

Speaker 1:
[92:16] It's got, he had the 10s already or what?

Speaker 3:
[92:19] Yeah, he's probably, I think he should be bringing them up.

Speaker 1:
[92:22] Nice.

Speaker 3:
[92:22] This week.

Speaker 1:
[92:23] Is he still down there with Darrell and one of them?

Speaker 3:
[92:24] He is.

Speaker 1:
[92:25] Nice.

Speaker 3:
[92:26] Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Chemical Randy. You see him up here a lot, but he does live down there.

Speaker 1:
[92:32] Yeah, he's been hanging out with our locals, as they say.

Speaker 3:
[92:40] He was a local for a long time. So he had his fucking, what do you have? He had a, what do you call it when you like, you get old and you're like, not a near death experience?

Speaker 1:
[92:53] Midlife?

Speaker 3:
[92:54] A midlife crisis. Yeah. Where he went and got a real job that had insurance. Where most people have midlife crisis, they fucking quit their real job.

Speaker 1:
[93:02] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[93:03] Start living in a van like Randy. He did the opposite.

Speaker 1:
[93:06] Well, I mean, I've been on that kick too, like where I really want to move into like a career within the motorcycle industry.

Speaker 3:
[93:12] Really? You're going to go corporate on us?

Speaker 1:
[93:14] I'd like to.

Speaker 3:
[93:15] Nice, dude. Like wear a badge and stuff?

Speaker 1:
[93:18] A badge?

Speaker 3:
[93:18] A name tag?

Speaker 1:
[93:19] Calm down.

Speaker 3:
[93:23] Do you have keys on your hip, dude?

Speaker 2:
[93:25] A key ring, dude?

Speaker 1:
[93:28] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[93:29] Take on some big responsibilities?

Speaker 1:
[93:31] I've been doing, I've been self-employed my entire adult life, man. Like I'm managing, but it's like, you know, I don't know. There's just a part of like the structure of it that I would like. Everything that I do for a living would be a six-eyed hustle. You know what I mean? A bike here and there, paint, paint a helmet, do the podcast.

Speaker 3:
[93:54] Work eight to five for the man.

Speaker 1:
[93:56] Yeah. Just fucking clock in and grind, dude. Get home, have some lemonade, mow my grass.

Speaker 3:
[94:03] You need to talk to Randy.

Speaker 1:
[94:06] Well, I wouldn't go, I wouldn't go, it would only be in the motorcycle industry. I'm not going to go get a job in the construction industry. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3:
[94:13] So you're not doing this to make money.

Speaker 1:
[94:15] What do you mean?

Speaker 3:
[94:16] This full-time gig.

Speaker 1:
[94:18] I'm just trying to find... There's not a lot of gigs that pay worth shit in this motorcycle industry. And what sucks is like everything I'm good at, like I'm not classically trained. So like I couldn't really...

Speaker 3:
[94:30] You don't have paper on the wall?

Speaker 1:
[94:32] Yeah, like I could kill it in marketing for certain brands, right? Depending on the type of product and things like that.

Speaker 3:
[94:39] Well, it's not what you know, it's who you know.

Speaker 1:
[94:41] Yeah. Well, that's how I know that, right? But the brands that I think that I could work and do a lot of help with, they're not necessary a mom and pop shop where they would just hire me because I'm Jace or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 3:
[94:55] Yeah, but somebody will hire you within there if you know the right people. Well, yeah, that's how that works. It absolutely is. Now, you know, some of those big ones, you at least need some kind of credentials so they can like run it through their fucking computer.

Speaker 1:
[95:08] I have a diploma. I never honestly I know I graduated high school, but I don't know where I like.

Speaker 3:
[95:14] Hey, you just contact them. They'll send you a piece.

Speaker 1:
[95:16] Do you just like whoever even asked to see it? Like I've never in my life go, hey, man, let me see that diploma real quick.

Speaker 3:
[95:25] I don't fuck with those people, period. I don't fuck with those people.

Speaker 1:
[95:31] But there's a couple of jobs out there.

Speaker 3:
[95:34] I do have one that was not hanging up on my wall, but I got it somewhere in my office. It's an adventure, an adventure or something.

Speaker 1:
[95:41] Your iron butt fucking.

Speaker 3:
[95:43] No, like fucking adventure writer course, stamp. I'm like, oh, that'd be funny to frame that.

Speaker 1:
[95:50] Make it look all official.

Speaker 3:
[95:51] Dude, it's from a legendary guy. What's his name? He's got the spot out in California. Hi, Jim Hyde. Yeah, he's a good dude. Yeah, so that's kind of his stamp of approval.

Speaker 1:
[96:04] I've also been on the fence of like moving out of Texas.

Speaker 3:
[96:07] Really?

Speaker 1:
[96:08] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[96:09] Fucking straight to Central America, dude, like Panama or something.

Speaker 1:
[96:13] They won't let me in. No, I mean, if if I do, I'm open minded to the opportunities that might come from whatever to kind of see where you would move if somebody would hire you. Yeah, if if the job was right and and you would leave this little slice of heaven here and walk to Hatchie. Yes, 100 percent.

Speaker 3:
[96:33] This is the longest where to you're trying to go to California, Milwaukee, Tennessee.

Speaker 1:
[96:38] I don't know. I mean, I would I would wear opportunity presents itself. I would prefer to be somewhere where writing is is is a bigger part of its culture. You know what I mean? Like California, Phoenix, you know, Utah, like just areas I can have more access to do more. Sometimes it feels limiting here. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3:
[96:58] Yeah. So you take this studio and put it in fucking Arizona or California, you'd be able to do. You just sit in your office all day long, run them through like a fucking one of them spinning doors, dude.

Speaker 1:
[97:09] Like say I could live where Todd Blueball is, right? Pioneer town.

Speaker 3:
[97:12] You can afford that.

Speaker 1:
[97:14] Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3:
[97:16] Because if you can, you should fucking go there now. 100%.

Speaker 1:
[97:19] I could live there and go do a job wherever it may be, but like I could run in a weekend. I can record five episodes with people and be good for a month of content that needs to come out with this stuff.

Speaker 3:
[97:33] For how long? Forever?

Speaker 1:
[97:35] Not ever.

Speaker 3:
[97:35] A foreseeable future.

Speaker 1:
[97:36] Just like just for long enough to kind of like have that experience.

Speaker 3:
[97:39] You can probably go out there and just take your lady and get a sweet ass Airbnb in the desert. It'd be a lot cheaper than trying to buy a house there.

Speaker 1:
[97:45] Yeah, just live in Airbnb.

Speaker 3:
[97:48] Yeah, fucking ride around.

Speaker 1:
[97:50] I guess if I started drinking more in my interviews, they'd be better or they would be bad again.

Speaker 2:
[97:56] Depends on how much drinking. They're not worried so much.

Speaker 1:
[98:02] Yeah, I get emotional. That's it.

Speaker 3:
[98:07] You get emotional, huh?

Speaker 1:
[98:10] Let's just, you know, even thinking about the the arc of my podcast over the last, you know, eight, almost nine years, it's like we went through these different phases, you know, and I think right now it's been the most professional version of it ever. It's fun. But when I think about the crazy shit that used to happen in this room and the mountains of beer and dudes pissing in bottles in the back corner, flying drones in here, like just crazy shit. We used to do live back in the day. And now it's like super proper, you know what I mean? I feel like I need to put a time. See, I'm preparing myself for the corporate world, dude.

Speaker 3:
[98:48] It sounds like it, dude.

Speaker 1:
[98:49] Yeah. I don't say the bad words on here that I used to say all the time, you know. He already said it today.

Speaker 3:
[98:58] What'd I say?

Speaker 1:
[98:58] You don't say those words in here.

Speaker 3:
[98:59] What'd I say? Did I say?

Speaker 2:
[99:01] There's a handful of them.

Speaker 3:
[99:02] There's a handful of them. Fuck.

Speaker 1:
[99:04] No, we say...

Speaker 2:
[99:05] It's not you, John.

Speaker 1:
[99:07] No, it's all good, but... I don't know, man. It's...

Speaker 3:
[99:13] Yeah, my podcast, let's see, right now, I book it about like a week out. I got Tyler Valentine coming over tonight or tomorrow night. And just on the way here, I lined up another one for next week.

Speaker 1:
[99:29] Yeah, same. You're my this week's podcast. Yeah, perfect. I've been so busy with everything else.

Speaker 3:
[99:37] Nice. So do we talk about the catered kickback?

Speaker 1:
[99:40] We should, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[99:41] The county seat kickback, crawfish boil, kickstart competition. You know, I'm thinking about throwing a fucking curveball at this kickstart competition because, you know, we've already done Nitty Gritty Chopper City, the Fan Dango. It seems like there wasn't another one at some point. Nitty Gritty Chopper City. I did Ventura. Yeah, Nitty Gritty Chopper City, the Fan Dango. And now that's three in Texas with the county seat kickback. These have had all the opportunity in the world. Yeah, we're fucking Haney one in and Nitty Gritty. Johnny two shits one at the Fan Dango on a barn find knucklehead. This third one that's fixing to win a knife made by Nick is not getting it easy. You know, it might be like there's going to be crawfish there. I'm going to come up with something just nasty. They're like fucking stick these fucking heads in your air cleaner. You know, will it start off of fucking crawfish heads? Yeah, something. I don't know what it is. May not let them warm up ahead of time. You know, may just fucking go from a cold start.

Speaker 2:
[100:51] Yeah, do that where they spin on the baseball bat.

Speaker 1:
[100:55] Well, that's what they did at Nitty Gritty.

Speaker 3:
[100:57] So Nick, Mike does that. How did Mike do that when you saw it?

Speaker 1:
[101:01] So we smoke in here, right? Sure.

Speaker 3:
[101:07] How did he do it?

Speaker 1:
[101:07] It's his show now.

Speaker 3:
[101:08] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[101:09] So Mike, so what Mike did was he did, you know, there were so many bikes and most of them would start first kick. So if you didn't start first kick, you were out.

Speaker 3:
[101:16] It's like the first one, kick it however you want.

Speaker 1:
[101:18] Yeah. And then it was kick it, you know, like you're on the front of the bike kicking the other way. Then was like saddled kicking it.

Speaker 3:
[101:27] Dirt bike style.

Speaker 1:
[101:28] And then it was find a lady to kick it.

Speaker 3:
[101:32] Oh, he went straight to lady.

Speaker 1:
[101:33] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[101:34] That's tough, dude. That's like, I like to wait till we know these bikes are going to start, dude. The first one I ever did fucking Lulu broke her fucking leg because I think Kickstart Mike's bike kick back and fucking snapped it, dude. She didn't say nothing. She got back up on stage and played for like three hours. And then that night she couldn't get her boot off.

Speaker 1:
[101:55] And then after that was the spinning on the on the stick. And then it was a race and spinning.

Speaker 3:
[102:04] How do you do the spinning on the stick part?

Speaker 1:
[102:06] So spin six times and then you have three seconds to kick your bike over.

Speaker 3:
[102:10] Oh, and he did one guy at a time.

Speaker 1:
[102:12] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[102:12] Yeah. Yeah. So when I did the spinning and I got this because I saw him doing that was, is I would make them spin on two sticks. Right. I think we even use a fake leg for one of them because that's all we had. But yeah, you like you're kind of racing the other person, you know, where you got to spin around fucking 10 times and then kick the bike. That way they're not just sitting there waiting till they're not dizzy anymore, taking their time to, you know, race aspect makes sense. Yeah. Because you could slowly spin it. There's no time limit on how many times you spin around or, you know, there's just leaves too much up to the individual person. So adding the race aspect where there's two people and I like getting down to, you know, where there's just a couple of bikes left and then doing something like that. But I also, I don't like it when you get down to like three or four people. I don't want all four bikes to not start. And then because, you know, after I tell them what a piece of shit they are and their motorcycle and make them fucking leave, give them the low brow straps. And I'm like, actually, will you come back? Because none of the other bikes, you know, I don't like doing that. Yeah. So you got to like get down to that two or three people. The boot chug is always my favorite. Was Kickstart Mike's the first one you've seen? You haven't seen any of the ones I did, huh?

Speaker 1:
[103:30] I was there at the one you did for Born Free last year.

Speaker 3:
[103:35] But you got to be up in it.

Speaker 1:
[103:36] I got pulled away to something else before. Like you had just let them warm it up.

Speaker 3:
[103:41] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[103:41] And so you hadn't you hadn't started going on the line yet.

Speaker 3:
[103:44] And then we are going back to Born Free, California, and you motherfuckers better be there, dude. It was only like six people last year. I got a knife made by Nick for the best starting back, dude.

Speaker 1:
[103:55] And you did like the finals was at Born Free, Texas, right? Last year.

Speaker 3:
[103:58] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[103:59] There was a bunch there and I didn't I didn't get to see that. I was somewhere else. I mean, that property so big you can easily do. I never even saw the art show this year. I think I was telling you didn't see the art show. And I went back there to look once. Couldn't find it.

Speaker 3:
[104:11] And then the art show, the woods was fucking killer. It really was. I'm going to pat myself on the back for that one because I wasn't sure what the fuck it was going to be. And it ended up fucking working out just right.

Speaker 1:
[104:23] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[104:25] Great. You know, my buddy from Moet, is it fucking happy? Oh, shit. Happy, happy design. Happy. Fuck. Scott Holthaus. Anyways, he's like a lighting designer, you know, works for the giant acts like the chili peppers or fucking his favorite machine gun, Kelly. Anyways, he hooked me up with some lights and do these lights for like state of the art, dude. I mean, I drove to fucking Nashville, picked him up. And I could have done anything. I'm fucking playing with like, you know, you connect them all together. It's all running off my phone. There's all these different colors. And he was, I got him on the phone. He was like, okay, first off, don't use any colors. Do not fucking, none of that shit you need. All you want to, you want it to look like an old, shitty Chevrolet pickup truck headlight, just a fucking light amber glow. The whole light it all up like that. And he was right. It fucking worked out great. Art in the trees, those big prints from Bobby, just like above everybody's heads. Had the fucking, gosh, the Trippers guy from fucking Oregon with the badass fucking claymation.

Speaker 1:
[105:39] Yeah, I heard about it. I read a blog on Harley's deal about that.

Speaker 3:
[105:43] Really?

Speaker 1:
[105:44] Yeah, because they were talking about it on that.

Speaker 3:
[105:46] And then Sean had the glow in the dark paint, Mike Vandergrift with a bunch of, you know, all the photos this year were from, you know, Texas people, which I kind of shied away from doing in the past, or just, you know, just tried to bring in shit that people from Texas hadn't seen.

Speaker 1:
[106:01] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[106:02] This year, I was like, fuck it. I want people to see themselves in the tree, you know?

Speaker 1:
[106:06] That's cool. Yeah, these two images behind you and me are the ones I brought to yours.

Speaker 3:
[106:11] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[106:11] So I think it's cool, man. Like there's a.

Speaker 3:
[106:17] Any kind of ways you could have seen it, dude.

Speaker 1:
[106:19] Yeah, I'm bummed out because, like I said, I did go try to find it.

Speaker 3:
[106:22] Dude, Moose made this incredible fucking metal Harley sign. When it showed up, I was just like, how the fuck are we going to get this in the trees? Dude, it weighed like a thousand fucking pounds. You know, it's somehow like when we hooked it on the chains and we were like letting it go down, I was like, if this isn't level, I don't know how I'm going to change that. You know, like there's fucking links and way to shit time. We had a tractor back there and it fell and it was like as level as I was ever going to need it to be, you know. It was cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[106:55] Yeah. What's your plan this year? Do you have things in the works or do you?

Speaker 3:
[107:00] Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Things are definitely in the works. I got some killer artists. There's going to be a lot of painting this year. I think I only have, I think I've only invited one photographer so far. Eric Bach. I recently had him on the podcast. He just wrote his Pan America all the way to the bottom of South America. And he's made three posts about the whole trip. And all of the photos are fucking incredible.

Speaker 1:
[107:27] Where's he putting the photos?

Speaker 3:
[107:29] Well, he's going to save them. He wants to make a book or something. So he's like, yeah, I'm not putting that shit out there on the internet. And I was like, well, sick. You could bring it to the art show. So he's going to make some prints. I got some great painters doing the CeeLo Scramble again. And I saw that, which is going to be so killer. So all right, let me see if I can do this off. I got Nate Plum, I got Cody Dunn, Long Brothers Choppers. I got Evolution Drew from, he's in Chicago. Him and Bobby Good Times are going to team up. I got Sweatshop Jeff and Brian Ham from...

Speaker 1:
[108:06] What's Sweatshop doing these days? They're not really making bags like they used to.

Speaker 3:
[108:09] Oh yeah, he does all sorts of shit, dude. Did you see that calendar he just put out? Yeah, with all the fucking hookers on it. Dude, so good. He's doing another one. He's going even more raunchier for next year. That one was a little churched up for what he was after.

Speaker 1:
[108:21] But let me just say, like back in the day, like you go to this stuff and you have like all these bag selections that was, you know, because I have one from 2016 that I run, but like I kind of wanted to see about getting a new one.

Speaker 3:
[108:31] Yeah, he's got them.

Speaker 1:
[108:32] I had an on his website. He has like one on there.

Speaker 3:
[108:35] In California, he had them at Born Free.

Speaker 1:
[108:38] I just need to, I need to go see him in person.

Speaker 3:
[108:40] Dude, he's great. He's fucking great. Did I name all, did I name six? Were you counting? Come on, Jamie, pull it together.

Speaker 1:
[108:49] You got the dude from Moon Pig Choppers, right? What's his name?

Speaker 3:
[108:51] Moon Pig, yeah. Brian Ham. So Nate, Cody, Drew, oh, Ben Jeff, Sweatshop Jeff, Brian Ham, Moon Pig Choppers. And fucking Brian Ham was the one that kind of like set it to a new level. He hit me up. He's like, man, is it okay if I ride my chopper from California? And I was like, yeah, but you're going to have to ride your new chopper back home. He's like, yeah, exactly. And as soon as I told everybody that, everybody jumped on board. So everybody's riding their chopper that they're building to Born Free, Texas for the Prince Paintings and Still Art Show. They're going to roll dice and go home with a new chopper. And Jay Ryan from Guster Cycles out of Nashville, he hooked me up with this fucking badass springer. And as a way to like give the guy something, I'm going to let everybody play a game of CeeLo for the springer. 20 bucks, you roll dice. And what I think I'll do, we came up with some ideas, but I think I came up with the idea, is you pay 20 bucks, you get three rolls. If you roll CeeLo, four, five, six, then you get to come back on Saturday night and play. We'll do an official game with whoever rolls CeeLo the first two nights before those builders play their game. And they'll all roll dice and go home with a different bike. And I'm going to let the builders this year pick their favorite bike and give all the cash that we raise from the Springer to one of the builders to go home with.

Speaker 1:
[110:19] Oh, that's sick.

Speaker 3:
[110:19] And then, yeah, I'll also let the crowd vote on their favorite. And, you know, just throw a fucking party, dude, with some sick ass shit on the walls.

Speaker 1:
[110:28] So we're moving our, you know, we've hosted the pre-party since the first one hosted here in Dallas at Stroker's. But this year, we're moving the pre-party to Thursday night here in. Yeah, so we're hosting the pre-party at Born Free. We're gonna do it at the bar.

Speaker 3:
[110:51] Oh, at Yellow Rose Canyon.

Speaker 1:
[110:53] At Yellow Rose Canyon. But I'm probably gonna do, because what we do is we usually get a lot of brands to donate stuff, and we just, the whole night you walk in, you get a ticket, we're giving away door prizes all night long.

Speaker 3:
[111:03] Nice.

Speaker 1:
[111:04] But being that like, I'd like to find a way to kind of get some more stuff going on, get more people involved, and find a way to maybe have a photographer too in there with something that's showing. You know, just for that night. And then, you know, probably get Bobby to do his, you know, his photography, you know, step a photo booth, just make it more interactive and get more people I know involved. That way it feels like it's all there, pre-party shit. Harley was backing it, but Harley's involvement in Born Free Texas this year, I think is on the table. So we'll see what goes on there. And them backing out, I don't even know what that means, but you know, it'd be sick to say The Fast Life Pre-Party, Born Free Texas presented by Harley-Davidson. I mean, that was the whole goal. We talked about it last year, but we'll see what happens, but which is nice because I want to be at Born Free on Wednesday, you know, because every year doing the pre-party on Wednesday and then mad dashing that next morning to try to get everything to Born Free on Thursday and set up. I'd rather just get there, set up Wednesday.

Speaker 3:
[112:06] So you could throw in the party on Wednesday night?

Speaker 1:
[112:08] No, Thursday night at Born Free. So to me, it just kind of like gives something to do Thursday night because Thursday night is pretty, is usually a chill night. But for some of us, it's like the night that we go the hardest because we're so ready to be there, you know? And then we taper off the rest of the event. You know, this last year we did a full espresso martini and old fashioned bar.

Speaker 3:
[112:32] I heard everybody belly aching the next day about it.

Speaker 1:
[112:34] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[112:35] Oh, Jace fed me so many martinis. And I said, that's a funny thing to hear your friend say. It sounds like your own fault.

Speaker 1:
[112:42] And we had one of my hot homeboys do it.

Speaker 3:
[112:45] Really?

Speaker 1:
[112:46] Shirtless. So they were getting it from a dude the whole time. Think about it.

Speaker 3:
[112:50] That's gayer than I thought it was.

Speaker 1:
[112:52] Yeah. Think about it. That's how you get the girls. That's how you get the girls. That's how you get the girls to come to you. Yeah. We had chicks all over the place there.

Speaker 3:
[113:01] That's awesome.

Speaker 1:
[113:02] Like, yeah. I mean, the hot chick behind the bar, everybody's hitting on, you know, like she's used to it. Right. But the girls all come because the dudes and his fucking like, you know, Chippendales outfit, giving away martinis and and old fashioned.

Speaker 3:
[113:15] I got to tell you a funny story about that. So me and Brian, Brian Helm, we were like the last men standing. Well, at least that we could find not in Ventura.

Speaker 1:
[113:25] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[113:25] After Chopper Fest. We closed down whatever bar everybody was hanging out at. And we fucking we're walking back to our Airbnb. And we see I come around this corner in this alleyway and see a long line of people. And I turn back and I look at the fucking the door that they're waiting at. And there's a fucking square sign that says gay bar. And I'm like, there's no way that that's really a gay bar that would just say gay bar. So we just bypass the whole line and they just let us right in. That should have been my first clue, you know?

Speaker 1:
[113:56] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[113:57] You know, like those fucking nice bars where there's a big line of people and they let the hot chicks in?

Speaker 1:
[114:02] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[114:02] Well, they let me and Brian Hellman right out of the gate. Sure enough, there's two fucking dudes and speedos and fucking suspenders just serving bar. I was like, fuck, it is really a gay bar. And we hung out and we drank until that place closed down as well.

Speaker 1:
[114:18] Good time?

Speaker 3:
[114:18] That shit was fucking hilarious, though. And I didn't realize that until like later on when I was telling the story, how they just let us in in front of the whole line. Because it was a gay bar. They thought we were gay going in there to drink. Fuck, that was funny, man. We had a lot of fun that night.

Speaker 1:
[114:34] That's crazy. I mean, shit, it's a story to tell.

Speaker 3:
[114:39] Yeah, dude, it was fun. I think doing a party at Yellow Rose Canyon is great. I mean, it's a great place to party in that bar. You know, every year it gets fucking better. And there's opportunities. So like last year, the art show got kind of rained out in the woods. I didn't want to set everything up for it to possibly get rained on because everything was very exposed. I mean, we were in the fucking elements back there. And we took some of the art and put it in that bar. You know, there's fucking. I saw the big, there's tons of you know, I'm sure the space will get smaller and smaller as time goes on. But, you know, there's opportunity to fucking trick that place out. You know, do whatever you want.

Speaker 1:
[115:18] I thought the rain this year made it such like the storm was gnarly. But man, like that lightning show afterwards, all fucking night long.

Speaker 3:
[115:26] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[115:26] I mean, because, you know, we set up on the hill. So we got like a perfect view down towards wall of death and all that. And just the lightning going on behind it. It was it was it was a unique experience. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3:
[115:37] Beautiful.

Speaker 1:
[115:38] Yeah, it was so sick. And I mean, it was it was kind of hot this year, you know, and that rain cooled it off because it was harder this year than I felt like it's been since they started it off. You know what I mean? No, I think so.

Speaker 3:
[115:50] I wouldn't pay attention.

Speaker 1:
[115:51] It was hot.

Speaker 3:
[115:52] Was it?

Speaker 1:
[115:53] Because I don't shower when I go there and I had to shower this time. I can go three or four days without showering as long as I'm not sweating my ass off all night, you know, or during the day. And this this time it was pretty, pretty gnarly.

Speaker 3:
[116:06] Dude, I fucking, I got it made over there. I got that little cabin, AC just cranking ice, fucking sickles just falling off of it, dude. My wife goes to bed early. She's just waiting in there for me to come.

Speaker 1:
[116:17] I think this year, Friday night, I think we were the last people awake on that entire campground. We started riding around looking for any, anything going on just to see what was happening. Couldn't find anything.

Speaker 3:
[116:28] Those fucking espresso martinis got you up, didn't they?

Speaker 1:
[116:31] Yeah, yeah. Well, we came to party, so. But I mean, like that, I don't know, it's just like shit like that.

Speaker 3:
[116:38] I mean, I can't believe you didn't find the party in the woods, dude. It was back there, though.

Speaker 1:
[116:44] I don't think the lights were on because we didn't see it. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3:
[116:48] So they might. You might have showed up after we fucking shut her down. Once we ran out of 805 and I brought like fucking, I don't know, like three or four jugs of tequila and whiskey and was just passing out shots. Yeah, it was cool. It was a good one. Yeah, I set up the Christmas lights. There was two trails of Christmas lights going back there. And dude, it took us two days. I mean, we hung them up right in the middle of the trail. I think one of them was like 300, 400 foot long, all the way to like the bar area. And then there's this trail through the trees. When I opened, when I turned on the lights that night, dude, bikes were coming down from every direction. People on foot, dude, it was mayhem.

Speaker 1:
[117:30] So with you doing the CeeLo Scramble this year, are you going to do that in the woods again, or are you going to go back out with the old way?

Speaker 3:
[117:37] No, I got a whole nother trick up my sleeve.

Speaker 1:
[117:39] OK, cool.

Speaker 3:
[117:40] I'm not sure what it is yet, but I got some ideas. And we'll see.

Speaker 1:
[117:45] We'll see how it all pans out. We're really trying to build out that hill and make it like, like I put my homies up there that kind of like are with the program I am where like your boot doesn't shut down. That you sell your shit during the day, and then at night it turns into a party spot. So if you're trying to come here and set up with us and then go to your cabin or something at nine o'clock, you can't come sit up here with us. You know what I mean? Cause we want the whole thing to be live and jumping all night long. And it's on the hill. So you can see it from everywhere that you can see across the property.

Speaker 3:
[118:18] So it's a good spot.

Speaker 1:
[118:19] Yeah, it's kind of uneven in some spots, but we make it work. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3:
[118:23] So whatever just adds to the excitement.

Speaker 1:
[118:25] Yeah, it does.

Speaker 3:
[118:26] You gotta be on your game after those espresso martinis.

Speaker 1:
[118:29] It was better the year before, whenever you had the art show right down there, because it just had more in that vicinity.

Speaker 3:
[118:35] Oh dude, that fucking night we did the CeeLo Scramble two years ago was fucking crazy. It was crazy. I remember calling Oliver, like Oliver, I need you to send somebody down here with some beer. He's like, why don't you just come get it? And I was like, you'll see, you'll see. Just come down here, dude. I can't get out of here right now. Dude, that was good. Yeah, we're going to do something like that. Yeah, it's just going to be in a different spot. You'll be able to see it from where you're at.

Speaker 1:
[119:06] Okay. Well, as you've said already, man, that that property just has endless opportunity. At least now it does, you know.

Speaker 3:
[119:14] But it always did. I mean, that property hadn't gotten any bigger. Well, I mean, like, as people are starting to see, you know, how much, you know, at first, the first year, a couple of years, everybody would just camp right as they got in there.

Speaker 1:
[119:26] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[119:26] And then they would start seeing how big the property is. Now the camping goes all the way back to the, you know, that fucking giant field in the back.

Speaker 1:
[119:33] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[119:34] It's hard to even get a number on how many people are there because everybody's so spread out the whole time.

Speaker 1:
[119:40] Yeah. I get a lot of people that want to do Born Free, but they want to come there and then they go get an Airbnb somewhere. And I'm like, man, you're missing the point. Like, I feel like Born Free Texas has the daytime opportunity to do stuff and then the nighttime. So it's like the unique experience of Born Free is that you don't have to leave the property.

Speaker 2:
[120:01] People need porcelain. They really do, you know, like there's a and I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that there's like a like in Tennessee, where I have like hit this apex of growth, where, you know, Buck was pointing out how if there was a hotel right down the road with a thousand rooms, there'd be two thousand more people there. You know, just because of that, which I, you know, it took me a while to wrap my head around because I never even considered that, yeah, people do need like a...

Speaker 1:
[120:33] Well, then it goes up to the whole point of like, okay, well, obviously you want an event to grow. And I think Born Free Texas, I think once it hits maybe two more thousand people, it would be like the perfect...

Speaker 2:
[120:48] How many people you think were there last year?

Speaker 1:
[120:50] I think it was between three and five, I think. So, I think seven, because you know Born Free Cali is like 20,000 people or some shit comes to that.

Speaker 2:
[120:59] 30 or something.

Speaker 1:
[121:00] Yeah, it's like, not that that, but it's so confined that I think that maybe there at Born Free Texas, if you had 20,000...

Speaker 2:
[121:07] If you had 20,000 people partying...

Speaker 1:
[121:10] That would be insane. It would be.

Speaker 2:
[121:14] That'd be like giddy up back in the day.

Speaker 1:
[121:16] Boy.

Speaker 2:
[121:17] I mean, that campground was just smaller, so it felt like 20,000 people.

Speaker 1:
[121:20] Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, I feel like a few more would be like this perfect like Goldilocks zone of like the right amount of people to have the party never end or always feel like it's got something going on versus, you know, then maybe if you get too many people, then it loses that kind of like feeling that it had or whatever. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2:
[121:41] Dude, I think you could have a shit ton of people there. I mean, that fucking rally to the crater that they used to do, I mean, that place used to be filled up. Campers everywhere. Now, it would get pretty gnarly.

Speaker 1:
[121:54] You did a, did you party at the Penn Shawshank last year?

Speaker 2:
[121:57] Nope.

Speaker 1:
[121:58] So this will be your first year to do it this time?

Speaker 2:
[122:01] Yeah, and they've got now camping down the street at this racetrack. They're going to be doing races out there, chopper drags.

Speaker 1:
[122:10] That's cool.

Speaker 2:
[122:11] They're going to be doing all sorts of shit.

Speaker 1:
[122:13] I think the one event that I really, really want to try to hit this year is with the Iowa Boys to do the Hell on Wheels.

Speaker 2:
[122:20] Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:
[122:21] That's the one I'm trying to go to.

Speaker 2:
[122:24] Yeah, that's a good one. He's doing a kickstart competition for me this year. Yeah. Your Nick's doing that one.

Speaker 1:
[122:29] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[122:30] I think Nick's been doing that one for a couple of years now. So he's doing that one. Winner gets a knife. Winner gets tickets to Born Free Texas. Come on down.

Speaker 1:
[122:40] What would be dope is if like the Hell on Wheels could roll in to Chopper Fest, Kansas City.

Speaker 2:
[122:46] Is it that close?

Speaker 1:
[122:47] Yeah, because I want to say the Hell on Wheels is like around, I think it's around the time that Party at the Pen is.

Speaker 2:
[122:53] In June?

Speaker 1:
[122:54] No.

Speaker 2:
[122:55] Oh, in Idaho?

Speaker 1:
[122:56] Idaho, yeah. I don't have a calendar right in front of me at all.

Speaker 2:
[123:00] Dude, there's so much shit going on all year long, dude.

Speaker 1:
[123:05] I ain't mad at it, you know.

Speaker 2:
[123:06] I mean, I would be more stoked if they were, if there wasn't as many. Yeah, it would make people go to others. Sure, they would travel out more. All the events would be bigger if there wasn't as many options.

Speaker 1:
[123:20] Well, I mean, you could say that about Party at the Pen, you know, having two events or born free, having two events. You know, it's it's kind of like. It's kind of like giving like a little bit of structure to another part of the country that doesn't maybe have an event that feels like that. But then again, to your point, like I think the point of born free.

Speaker 2:
[123:40] Not many people are going to born free Texas and born free California.

Speaker 1:
[123:43] Yeah, I agree. And that's why I think that like while I'm such an advocate for it, because I feel like it's the one event that feels different from each other, that's you know, you can go to one and have a completely different experience at the other. Oh, 100% And be equally as fulfilled, if you will.

Speaker 2:
[123:59] Yeah, depending on what your cup looks like.

Speaker 1:
[124:02] But to your point, yes, I do agree. There's so much going on. I mean, you know, nitty gritty, the next weekend is Fandango and then, you know, the county seat kickback is, you know, a little bit of gap between it. But now we have that going on in Denton. There's, I mean, I get it. There's a, there's just opportunity and people have ideas and they want to, you know, do it. So I'm not, I wouldn't hate on that aspect, but yeah, it'd be so sick if people could all collaborate together, maybe an event that has more riding aspect could maybe ride to a final destination of another event.

Speaker 2:
[124:36] Like, what if, I mean, there's some guys that did that from nitty gritty, dude. They fucking, they left nitty gritty, did exactly what I did the other day, twisted sisters out to big band, then landed back at the Fandango. I mean, that's the fucking move.

Speaker 1:
[124:52] It is. I mean, so that, that that's why there could be a benefit to these things if people planned a larger trip to to hit both or whatever.

Speaker 2:
[125:01] You know, so I would love to add an event in Texas down in fucking the Hill Country or fucking the twisted sisters. I mean, Fredericksburg so close, you know, but there's no good time of year to do it, you know, and the time of year that you would do it is kind of like the hot season for everything else going on. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1:
[125:20] So, you know, October in Texas is awesome. March, April, good time in Texas to be out, you know what I mean? You have to deal with more rain in this month, but, you know, for the most part, it's good camping weather, you know. That's why, like, nitty gritty being in March now is I'm a big fan of it because it's typically maybe a T-shirt during the day, but sweatshirt hoodie at night, you know, good, good, you know, get you a fire going, shit like that.

Speaker 2:
[125:48] But whatever happened to your fucking campout? You just quit doing that?

Speaker 1:
[125:52] Yeah, I feel like it ran its course. Like, in the early days of the performance bagger and this whole performance community, there wasn't really anything that was kind of structured for that community, and our campout was all about these bikes. And so many people from across the country would come, and it created a lot of things, a lot of brands, a lot of businesses, a few marriages. A lot of things came from a lot of good stuff, but it got to a point where things, now the whole industry was about performance motorcycles now, so everybody was getting pulled in all these different directions. I just felt like it served its purpose. It got people together when there was nothing else for them to get together on. And now that the industry is about performance baggers and motorcycles, everywhere you can go, there's something performance related. And it's a lot of work, and it wasn't structured to be profitable.

Speaker 2:
[126:51] Yeah, you got to do that. If you're going to keep doing them, you got to make some money.

Speaker 1:
[126:55] I mean, the only way I made money was selling t-shirts. Like we would make a campout shirt, and then that would sell. But if the numbers would start going down because people would... I'm going to do Daytona instead, or I'm going to go to the campout that's around the corner instead. Well, then it's like, okay, well, how many t-shirts do I make? Do I make 3,000? Do I make, or not 3,000, do I make 200 shirts or 300 shirts? So it just got to the point where it was like, man... And then it's like every time I would talk about charging 10 or $20 to get in for the week, it's like the internet would lose their mind.

Speaker 2:
[127:28] Oh yeah, if you start out free. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[127:32] So it ran its course. I had a good time, but I really wanted to...

Speaker 2:
[127:37] I mean, that area is fucking great.

Speaker 1:
[127:39] It is. It's a beautiful area to ride. I mean, it would be nice if there was a little bit more attractions to ride to other than just good roads. Like, you could do a good road and then there's like this sick ass, you know, steakhouse on the other side of it. Cool. But the, you know, the rural part of Oklahoma just doesn't have a whole lot of... Whole lot of that, but it does have good riding and good stories to be made. So it ran its course, man. It really did, you know.

Speaker 2:
[128:05] How long has it been since you did that?

Speaker 1:
[128:08] We ended it, what, two years ago? So, 24 was the last year of it. And then this year, I think some of the dudes that go to bike night are trying to, I guess, revive it or something like that. So they're doing a T-Bar Tuesday thing, but I'm not associated with that at all.

Speaker 2:
[128:24] No, no more T-bars for you?

Speaker 1:
[128:26] No, I mean, T-bars on my choppers, baby. So, T-bar of the world. But I think that, like, I like the idea of a run. I think the run feels good.

Speaker 2:
[128:40] I love that idea.

Speaker 1:
[128:41] So the same way you're talking about doing Big Ben, like, I always thought it'd be sick to find, like, whether it's through Colorado or through, like, a Maggie Valley, like, find a couple of those motels where you can sit in your bike out in front of the hotel, you know, and just band, like, do a couple of spots, runs to different ones.

Speaker 2:
[128:58] Well, and I love the idea, like, to fucking the Paradise Road Show, just the idea of, like, finding a fucking cool hotel. You know, those shows are in cities, but, like, finding one in, you know, a broken bone, just like fucking renting out all the rooms. You know, we don't need any more people than what whoever shows up at the motel, dude, whether you got a room or not, you know?

Speaker 1:
[129:20] Same ride there. That's kind of that was kind of like one of the things on my mind that I really wanted to do, because the original FXR Jam, the East Coast Jam, was in Maggie Valley, and it was at one of those motels. In the same way that I would sit at a campground by a fire and talk to four in the morning, we did that in the parking lot, and it felt just as special, if you will. So I liked the idea, but when the Paradise Road Show started kicking off, it's like, fuck, that's a really good idea, or what was it, Cheap Thrills had the same vibe, that event that was going up in Northeast, I believe. So it's like, it's there, but if I felt like if I did that now, I'd just be copying that, so I'd rather just support those.

Speaker 2:
[130:02] We did the Motorcycle Trans Am, riding in 1921, Coast to Coast, different motel on a cool spot, every single fucking night, all the way across the country was fucking killer. Every night working on bikes in the parking lot, looking for welders, finding welders, looking for part, finding. I mean, whatever. It was fucking awesome.

Speaker 1:
[130:25] You know, the speaking of that, the one disappointment that I have and about like the chopper thing is not a lot of people ride choppers. So it's like I have this bike that I fucking cannot. I can't keep myself off of it, and all I want to do is ride next to another one.

Speaker 2:
[130:46] Really?

Speaker 1:
[130:46] Yeah. And I, you know, there's some chopper dudes in Dallas. You know, you got Stefano and Elliot and some of those guys, but I've ridden with them once, but it's kind of like, I can't, I want to find someone that wants to go ride with me to Big Bend or ride with me down to Galveston. Let's stop in Houston and go see Darryl. And like, I want to ride this fucker, but I want to ride it with some other dudes and shoppers. And I feel like everybody wants to do it. But like Haney, Haney wants to do it. We talk about all the time, but Haney's like pulled in a million directions. Like he's at Party at the Penn, East, West, you know, this, that. Like he's got all these events. So his vacation, his time off is, you know, kind of subjugated to those things instead of like, hey, let's take two weeks off and go ride to Colorado, this, this, this, and this and this. So you ride, but you're never home.

Speaker 2:
[131:37] So because I ride. So like even now, you know, it's because I don't sit around and wait on people to go ride with.

Speaker 1:
[131:45] Well, I don't either.

Speaker 2:
[131:45] It doesn't, it doesn't, you know, you're not going to find those people overnight. You're not going to find those people bitching about it in your shop. You will find those people if you get out and start riding to those places, because there are people out there doing it. They're less worried about connecting with other people, even though they'd love to.

Speaker 1:
[132:00] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[132:01] But the first priority is riding and going out there, because there's a lot of other people doing it. But you ain't going to find them because they're not watching podcasts. They're fucking working on their bike, getting ready to go ride it. You know?

Speaker 1:
[132:14] Probably listen to the podcast.

Speaker 2:
[132:15] Maybe.

Speaker 1:
[132:16] A little Danger Dan.

Speaker 2:
[132:17] Maybe.

Speaker 1:
[132:17] Bring her back to road shows.

Speaker 2:
[132:20] Dude, now you just... No.

Speaker 1:
[132:23] Come on, we're going to bring those back, dude. Those are some good times.

Speaker 2:
[132:26] Yeah, they were great times.

Speaker 1:
[132:27] Listen on you going to Boogie Eat, or what was it?

Speaker 2:
[132:30] You know, fuck, I got B&B racing building my motors now, dude. There's a lot less fucking problems I run into when I take off on a trip. Now, the last trip, you know, I fucking, you know, shit does break. It happens. You get flats. You can ride with other people. There's definitely going to be shit that happens. Yeah. But yeah, you'll find those people if you just get out and start doing it.

Speaker 1:
[132:48] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[132:49] Just ride to the event. You know, like that's one of the cooler things about riding to the big events, like Born Free, Sturges, Daytona. Cause guess what? There's other people riding out there to those events and you see them on the road.

Speaker 1:
[133:04] Yeah. So, you know, the didn't, the didn't guys, Sebastian, you know, the B-team? Do I?

Speaker 2:
[133:10] Nothing.

Speaker 1:
[133:12] The B-team is that what you said? They do stuff, but like they've invited me to a couple of things. It just didn't line up with stuff. But like, I guess I'm looking at the culture the same way I looked at the culture that I've been a part of. And I'm like, well, you would think there's, I don't know, I guess sometimes when you're on the Internet, you feel like things are bigger than they are. You know what I'm saying? Like the scene, their FXRs are everywhere. And then you go ride places. You're like, you don't really see them that much. Same thing with choppers, even more so, right? I don't mean to say that, like I'm just sitting on the Internet. Like anybody would go ride choppers.

Speaker 2:
[133:46] That's what it sounds like.

Speaker 1:
[133:48] You're fucking putting words on that. Like I haven't been riding this fucker all over the state of Texas.

Speaker 2:
[133:52] Well, you're just getting her dialed in, but literally just doing it. And also, nobody wants to invite somebody who just put their chopper together to go on a chopper ride. You know, when they've had their shit dialed and they're trying to go places, you know, like, you know, but if you're out there doing it, that's another thing, you know? But like one rule I came up with a long time ago, like when we leave on a ride from a house, you don't get the trailer to my house. You don't get to start the ride at my house from your trailer. If you can't ride to my place or ride to whatever the starting destination is, you know, I'm gonna be a lot less likely to make this trip conducive to making sure you can be on it. You know, like if you can't get here on your own without trailering, you know, so.

Speaker 1:
[134:39] Now, see, everybody's putting words of them out.

Speaker 2:
[134:42] No, I'm just saying, like, you just got to start off by riding, you know, like if you lean on that crutch of I mean, I never would have been doing any of this if I would have been waiting on somebody that knew how to fucking fix my motorcycle to go with me or in the day, because I didn't I didn't know how to do it. And fuck, I didn't know anybody else that had time to go do what I was going to do. And if I would have let that stop me from just going, you know, then we wouldn't be sitting here probably.

Speaker 1:
[135:10] Yeah. I mean, to that point, like, like I said, I've just wanting to get out. I want to find some people that are, that are wanting to do the same type of shit. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2:
[135:19] Okay. It's tough. It is very tough to like, you know, I had this conversation with Nick the other day of like, how lucky we are to have gone on some of the trips that we've done where we've had five or six grown men that have worked their lives to a point where they had the money, they had the means and they had the time to all go together and ride to a place.

Speaker 1:
[135:39] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[135:39] Like that's special. Like that is not something I take for granted, you know? And I've been able to do it a lot. So it seems like it's more feasible, but it's not for everybody. You know, like that is tough. Like even if you're riding motorcycles that fucking work and you press the button every time and they just go, you know, like it took you a while to get that way when you're riding your bag around to find other people that would ride your baggers. But going places and doing those things, you know, also help show people that you can do it and they want to be a part of that. And there's going to be people looking for people like you that are doing it, that want to go. I want to go with you. And you're like, well, fuck, does your motorcycle even work? What kind of gearing you running, you know? Like, are you going to be able to run the same speeds as me? Are you going to be working your machine overboard and we fuck your shit up? Like, you just start, you know.

Speaker 1:
[136:26] I get it. I mean, fortunately, like, you met, you've met Kyle, right? Jive Ass Honky.

Speaker 2:
[136:32] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[136:33] So he just got his Evo Chop. And so, you know, I was putting together a super E car for him downstairs and like, he's down. I mean, he, he go, he's done all the big trips with me. So he's wanting to do some shit. So I'm excited to have him on board because he's, you know, I had him ride my gold chopper to that Texas Stampede last, last fall. And he's like, dude, I want something like this.

Speaker 2:
[136:59] Texas Stampede. What's that?

Speaker 1:
[137:00] That's when they did it in the stockyards last year.

Speaker 2:
[137:02] Oh, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[137:03] Yeah. It was cool. It had a good vibe. I don't, I don't, I haven't heard anything about it this year. I don't know what's going to happen with that, but you know, but yeah, so Kyle rode that. Now he's like down and I think he's on, we, me, him and our other buddy, Jayden, we do these podcasts called Quaint Zone, which is our Wi-Fi password here. It's just some random word. So we've been doing those for a couple of years now and they're supposed to come on like next week. We're probably going to talk about his whole chopper, horniness that he has right now.

Speaker 2:
[137:33] What did he get?

Speaker 1:
[137:34] Just, it looks like it was a hard-tailed 99 soft-tail frame. So it's still EVO or not 99. I don't know what you, it's an EVO soft-tail shot, hard-tailed. It still has some of the things like a clutch and stuff, but open belt, kicker only. But it's like, it's not like a four-speed kicker. It's got like a different top on it. So, and it's not a cow pie either. So I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[138:03] So it's a five-speed?

Speaker 1:
[138:04] I guess it is a five-speed, but it's weird. I haven't seen that transmission before. I'm new to that world. Most of the older bikes I fucked with their FXRs, the rubber-mounted base stuff, so, you know. But yeah, he's got it. He's ready to kind of make it his, and now I'm gonna have a riding buddy. And he lives fucking 30 or 40 miles west or east of Dallas. So we'll both have to put in a little bit of work just to go have a beer together. You know what I mean? But I'm just hungry, dude. For lack of a better term, I'm very horny right now for chopper shit. So, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[138:40] Oh, you know, my wife was trying to explain this to me yesterday. One of our, we were at a wedding this weekend, a wedding party, and, you know, like kids run from that shit, you know, like somebody who's excited and anxious and wants to like love on this kid, the kid's like fucking just runs away from it, you know? I'm like, oh, it sounds like girls, you know, like you want to attract girls, you know, you just ignore them a little bit.

Speaker 1:
[139:04] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[139:04] And go do your own thing. Sounds like that's what you're doing. That's what you're going through right now. You're so anxious and excited, trying to grab a hold of something. Everybody's like, whoa, hey, you know.

Speaker 1:
[139:15] Yeah, yeah. Well, that's what I'm going to do. I mean, I was planning on doing the, and that's the thing is that most of the things I am doing is kind of alone because, you know, all my other friends right now are riding modern bikes. So like them being limited to 70 miles an hour to stay up with me on the road or, you know, hinder themselves while we're riding places, that seems miserable.

Speaker 2:
[139:37] Dude, I had no problem rolling with those shovel heads down the PCH on a brand new bagger.

Speaker 1:
[139:41] I feel like it's on a...

Speaker 2:
[139:42] Those guys must not have their stereos plugged in.

Speaker 1:
[139:45] Yeah. Well, the bagger, I feel like it's like...

Speaker 2:
[139:47] You can only go 70 miles an hour on your bike?

Speaker 1:
[139:50] Comfortably. I mean, it'll do 80, but like you feel it more. So I don't know what it's supposed to feel like or not feel like because it's new to me, right? So when I do... I mean, there's times when I'll ride it to bike night and I'm doing like 70 and I just have like my Google maps up so I can see how fast I'm going. And I'm like, this feels pretty good. Like everything feels smooth on it.

Speaker 2:
[140:12] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[140:12] But then there's times when like I'll on the way home from bike, I don't know if it's a cooler air or whatever it is. I'll be cruising like 85 and it feels just as smooth.

Speaker 2:
[140:21] After bike night. Yeah, they run better after a few drinks, dude. It's cooler out, blood's a little thinner, you can ignore a few more vibrations.

Speaker 1:
[140:39] It just feels better, dude. So yeah.

Speaker 2:
[140:41] It probably will run that fast all the time.

Speaker 1:
[140:43] It probably will. Like I said, I'm just not used to it. It's like if you were to ride it and you were to push it up there and say like, yeah, this feels about normal. Like I said, I have nothing to compare it to. So same thing when I had to break down.

Speaker 2:
[140:54] When you rode to Fredericksburg, were you by yourself?

Speaker 1:
[140:56] I rode with Kyle. He was riding his low rider. And then our other buddy, Connor was on his low rider ST And they were chilling. They were cruising with me. They knew that they knew I couldn't go that fast.

Speaker 2:
[141:08] So I bet it'll go way faster. You think it will?

Speaker 1:
[141:12] It probably will. But like I said, I'm just learning it. And also, I don't want to fuck it up before I, you know.

Speaker 2:
[141:17] That's part of it.

Speaker 1:
[141:18] It is. But I don't, you got to find out.

Speaker 2:
[141:20] You got to find out.

Speaker 1:
[141:21] Yeah, that's what I did. I found out.

Speaker 2:
[141:23] Well, that's just part of it. You better just get used to that shit.

Speaker 1:
[141:26] You know, like, yeah, so far, that's that's really that's the only breakdown I've had. I mean, I've had a few bolts come in loose. I've had to keep an eye on and retort down the proper way. And like I was getting my sprocket bolts would come out and I caught it once. And then now I got PTSD from it because I've had that happen on other bikes. But then I took the rear wheel off, like really busted ass to make sure the alignment was perfect in the rear, torqued all those right. And I have had to do that with micrometer or a dial indicator, basically just getting in there really tight to make sure everything was in the right spot.

Speaker 2:
[142:02] What did you measure off of? What was the?

Speaker 1:
[142:04] I measured everything. I measured the bolt coming, the bolt, the adjuster. Yeah, the adjuster I measured between the holes. I think the first time when I put it together, it was just slightly off a little bit. And it was causing like that as you know, when your wheels slightly cocked in any direction, it'll work those front or the sprocket bolts out over time. So that's dialed. I need to, I need, you had mentioned something about the battery earlier. I really need to try to, but I have a secure little thing. It's from like Junior's Handmade. It's a really clean piece that goes in there that holds the battery, but it doesn't really have a back hold like, so it kind of just bounces. It's kind of, if you think about it, it's bouncing, but it's kind of like acting like a rubber mounted.

Speaker 2:
[142:49] Is it?

Speaker 1:
[142:51] I think so. It's not bouncing.

Speaker 2:
[142:59] Like that?

Speaker 1:
[143:00] Not so much.

Speaker 2:
[143:01] It's just kind of wiggling?

Speaker 1:
[143:02] It's wiggling, yeah. Like if it just moves. But it's not, it can't slap anything, you know? Like it can move in something, but it's not that, that, that, like that.

Speaker 2:
[143:14] Not banging?

Speaker 1:
[143:15] Not banging on anything.

Speaker 2:
[143:16] Should be fine.

Speaker 1:
[143:17] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[143:18] Should be fine. I mean, batteries though, they will fuck, and they just quit working, dude.

Speaker 1:
[143:25] And someone, David Brown mentioned these, those batteries, these small batteries aren't really made to go for a long way.

Speaker 2:
[143:30] So no, but I've seen deer feeders' batteries go for a long time. You know, like just little shitty with the fucking blades on them.

Speaker 1:
[143:38] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[143:39] Yeah. But it all depends on how they're used, the load that they take and everything, the heat cycles, everything.

Speaker 1:
[143:48] Yeah, but I needed the breakdown because, like I said, I've never, I've never had that experience. Now that I kind of know what that feels like, I know what to check on.

Speaker 2:
[143:56] Dude, I remember I fucking busted a battery in the middle of West Texas. Dude, I call it bacon. I'm like bacon. What the fuck, dude? I can't afford a fucking tow truck. I'm going to, should I just push the bike and walk? I ended up using like a water bottle and busting off the top of the battery and filling it back up with water and fucking got down the road just like that.

Speaker 1:
[144:17] Oh, that's cool. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[144:19] And then bought a battery someplace.

Speaker 1:
[144:21] Yeah. Like I said, I remember listening to the road shows that you used to do and you would talk about, I mean, you had like headlight issues and then herd battery more than once.

Speaker 2:
[144:30] Wiring issues, fucking points, everything, dude. And then I wouldn't know what the fuck it was. The troubleshooting was, you know, that's what made those shows fun is because I didn't know what the fuck I was doing and I would just talk about it. I would think it was one thing and then I'd find out it was something else.

Speaker 1:
[144:46] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[144:47] You know, or I'd run out of gas a lot. Fuck, dude. I ran out of gas so many times.

Speaker 1:
[144:53] Well, fortunately, I've I've learned from your road shows. So a lot of the things I did on this bike was more to mitigate the possibilities of certain things. But you got mag wheels. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[145:07] So you got no tubes, no tubes. Nice.

Speaker 1:
[145:13] Riding with him is why I never want to ride with. I never want spoke wheels because just spokes. There's so many, there's however many spokes possibilities of something getting loose, getting off, poking tires, having to have a tube. There's times where we rode the Kali together. If he would have had mags, that his front tire popping would have been an easy plug and we're back on the road for a while.

Speaker 3:
[145:37] Well, it wasn't even the tire. It was the tube itself.

Speaker 1:
[145:40] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[145:40] Brand new one too. It just popped like four days in.

Speaker 1:
[145:45] Yeah. On Father's Day on a Sunday in the middle of Nevada.

Speaker 2:
[145:50] Yeah, people want to help then.

Speaker 1:
[145:52] Yeah. So, I mean, to me, don't get me wrong, I love the way a traditional spoke wheel looks on an old chopper.

Speaker 2:
[146:00] Yeah, it looks sick.

Speaker 1:
[146:01] It's classic and tried and true, but every bike that I personally have, I want the ability to travel comfortably on it. And that's kind of why I've always liked the Mags, go in the Mags direction, but Invader wheels, sick. You know what I mean? I love those too. So.

Speaker 2:
[146:19] Yeah, I've had pretty good luck with my spoke wheels on my chopper.

Speaker 1:
[146:21] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[146:22] I had one, I only have one incident I can think of where like a flat was very difficult to deal with. But I think I just ended up with some Fix-A-Flat.

Speaker 1:
[146:33] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[146:35] Filled that fucking whole thing up.

Speaker 1:
[146:37] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[146:38] And it got me down the road. Yeah, I've been pretty fortunate. Well, you know, you got to ride within the same tire tracks the rest of the fucking world is using, you know, like people find themselves on a motorcycle where you can ride anywhere in those fucking lanes. I like to go where somebody else has been before, you know, you ride just even just on the line or just to the center of the lane.

Speaker 1:
[147:00] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[147:00] You're more likely to pick something up because there's less likely that some other car has been through there and picked up whatever may be on the road.

Speaker 1:
[147:07] Yeah. For sure. You ridden your bike to like New York City yet?

Speaker 2:
[147:12] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[147:13] Yeah. The Chop? Yeah. What was that like?

Speaker 2:
[147:16] It's fucking so sick, dude. It was so fucking sick. No rules, just riding wherever, however.

Speaker 1:
[147:24] All of concrete is available to be traveled on.

Speaker 2:
[147:26] We fucking parked it right on Times Square at a fucking hot dog stand, dude. It was fucking blown away. How many fucking people were there?

Speaker 1:
[147:35] That's probably my... I always tell people New York is one of the funnest places I've ever been on a motorcycle. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[147:42] It's a fun spot.

Speaker 1:
[147:43] It is. People would 100% not associate that with good, good riding, you know, by...

Speaker 2:
[147:50] Oh, it's fun riding.

Speaker 1:
[147:51] It's fun riding. That's a better way to put it. Yeah. I don't know, I really want to take this place. What's crazy is that getting the opportunity to work with Harley and have the new bike, it's like... It's a blessing, 100%. Like, it's so awesome to be able to do this with them. But I always say it couldn't have come at such a... Maybe not the word wrong time, but a time when my mind is really on something else right now. You know, it... I don't want to say inconvenient, but it is inconvenient because I wanted to ride...

Speaker 2:
[148:25] Your wants and desires.

Speaker 1:
[148:26] Yeah, I wanted to ride the chopper to Born Free. I wanted to ride the chopper to Sturgis, but now there's obligations with the Road Glide and Brands and Harley and... Which I even feel like a dumbass for even saying it because it feels like such a complaint on such an amazing opportunity. You know what I'm saying? But I'm just being honest. Fucking, you know. Here's what it is.

Speaker 2:
[148:52] Yeah, well, you know, you're just going to have to ignore some things. You know, one thing about having a chopper, dude, you can just be a degenerate, you know? Fuck this guy's motorcycle, dude. I mean, he doesn't really need it that bad.

Speaker 1:
[149:05] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[149:06] You should probably ride to Mexico, you know?

Speaker 1:
[149:09] I want to.

Speaker 2:
[149:09] I mean, I feel like this guy can wait.

Speaker 1:
[149:12] No, that dude.

Speaker 2:
[149:13] I mean, I really do. You know, you got a chopper.

Speaker 1:
[149:16] The problem is that, no, I can't do that. It's not in my DNA.

Speaker 3:
[149:20] It's a little different when he's paying for it.

Speaker 1:
[149:22] Yeah, I need his money to go to Mexico.

Speaker 2:
[149:27] All right, now we get down to the bottom of it. Okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 1:
[149:30] I am a degenerate. I have no savings. I just have skills and these skills give me the ability to make it through the day.

Speaker 2:
[149:36] You got to finish his bike so you got money to go to Mexico. Mexico is not that expensive. Yeah, yeah, but getting there, you know, really, you should just fucking leave here, go straight through mainland. Just fucking gas isn't any cheaper there, but everything else is. Just fucking ride straight to Mazatlan, take that ferry across and ride the Baja all the fucking food is incredible, the people are incredible. Everyone's why you get to see like a bus on fire or some shit. Maybe there's a roadblock because the farmers are fucking pissed off and they're stopping traffic.

Speaker 1:
[150:14] Oh, shit.

Speaker 2:
[150:15] So good.

Speaker 1:
[150:17] I'll go down there with you. Let me do that.

Speaker 2:
[150:19] Well, you've got to go down there on your own first.

Speaker 1:
[150:23] I don't need you after that. You got to already know how to do it.

Speaker 2:
[150:26] I mean, you know, I'm not saying it's out of the question, but when you do your your chopper tours, I'll do I'll do that with you. Chopper tours.

Speaker 1:
[150:37] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[150:38] You know, see, the chopper tours would be just like everything else. Like you got to do two weekends with me. I got to make sure that I can even I don't even know that you and I have ever written together.

Speaker 1:
[150:50] Roughly ten years knowing each other for the most part. I mean, I've heard stories that you're a horrible person to ride with because you'll just leave. Is that how you are with your tour? You like you just dip off on them and be like, sorry.

Speaker 2:
[151:03] No, not at all. No, I mean, I do leave.

Speaker 1:
[151:06] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[151:07] But those people that say I'm leaving them, I never said they were.

Speaker 1:
[151:10] Yeah. You're never riding with them.

Speaker 2:
[151:11] I never said, hey, let's go for a reason. So it's not like I left them.

Speaker 1:
[151:16] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[151:16] They just weren't very good at following or they thought one thing.

Speaker 1:
[151:21] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[151:22] Found out something else. But I am that way too. No, on the tours, it's totally fucking different. I mean, the main goal at those tours is to get everybody out and get everybody back in, hopefully alive.

Speaker 1:
[151:40] Were you inspired by doing stuff with Bear and everything on those?

Speaker 2:
[151:43] Oh, 100 percent. Yeah, 100 percent. I mean, what I learned with Bear, yeah, definitely inspired what I'm doing now. Expired me to do it a way that I think is more conducive to my lifestyle and the people that I work with and everything else I got going on. It's not going to be like a full-time endeavor. But yeah, I definitely learned some stuff working with Bear.

Speaker 1:
[152:09] How has the t-shirt game been going? I mean, you've been pushing that pretty good for a long time.

Speaker 2:
[152:13] Yeah, I mean, it's fucking... I'm selling t-shirts. I'm not even selling t-shirts. I'm selling subscriptions. It's good. It's probably not as good as what most people may think. And it's definitely not as good as I would have thought when I first started. But I think it has a lot to do with probably me and the way I run the company. You know, I do a lot of firing, you know, and I don't have any employees. But I fucking fire customers. If somebody complains about a color or design or a shop, I just fucking send them their money back.

Speaker 1:
[152:47] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[152:48] And say thank you. But that's not what this is about. This is about, you know, spreading the word about all the small shops around the country that help keep people like us on the road. You know?

Speaker 1:
[153:01] I mean, that kind of brings up another question. Like, how, how, how do you currently and how has it been for you to monetize your podcast over these past 10 years?

Speaker 2:
[153:13] Well, here's what I do. So like you're painting motorcycles and I'm like, not. I'm just writing just like fucking this guy right here. I'd be like, dude, I got I prioritize me riding motorcycles over everything. So the you know, I haven't done a great job monetizing the podcast because my first priority is is just to fucking ride motorcycles. You know, it really is. I mean, that is like when I say you have a chopper now, you can be degenerate. I mean, I say that because that's you know, I use that as my excuse to like, like I just got, I mean, I literally have a problem, you know, like it is not, you know, it is not healthy the way I live. Not for me, not for the people around me, you know, definitely not for my family. But you know, I love it and I'm going to let it kill me. You know?

Speaker 1:
[154:10] Well, that's, now everybody's like, see, that's, see Jace, that's how you should really do this podcast. Fuck making money. Like it ain't about money. It's about...

Speaker 2:
[154:19] I don't have cameras. I mean, I probably should, but that's, you know, you talk about fucking sticking shoes in your saddle back, you know? I got to make room for my Crocs and my coffee maker, you know?

Speaker 1:
[154:32] Well, the, you know, I remember you had said this to me that you, when I first started and because I mean, like when you first start this podcast, like even for myself, like it wasn't like it made money, you know what I mean? It takes time and whatnot. But I did have this connection to all these brands and stuff within this community because I've been working in the motorcycle industry for so long versus someone like you on the outside, like you weren't from the motorcycle industry, right? So not at all at all, you know, and now I would say you are very much a part of the culture of motorcycling through and through, right?

Speaker 2:
[155:10] I think it's just a part of me.

Speaker 1:
[155:12] Fair, you know. But the same thing is like, you know, for me to be able to live and whatnot, the painting motorcycles does facilitate the home that I have and the bills that I have to pay. But like this podcast thing, I mean, it's been up and down. There was a point in time where I thought I could do this for a living. And then the economy went to shit. And, you know, when you're the brands that you work with to help keep this thing funded, when they, you know, you're the first thing to go before an employee goes if things aren't going well. You know what I'm saying? So it gets kind of complicated to keep things going. The truth is like, if I had like a main gig that was paying the bills and then I didn't rely on this, then I would be completely content with it, not making that much money, if any at all.

Speaker 2:
[156:03] Yeah, and you may not do it as much either.

Speaker 1:
[156:04] Yeah, I won't feel obligated to, but it's like when you get like, I always said that when this thing did make some money, like, let's just say 23, it was, I was literally going to shut the shop down and just do a podcast. And I was like, but I had spent two years, like really not trusting the money that came from it, right? Cause I was like, I'm not used to making money that way. It's like some white collar job shit. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, this is really strange. You're like, this, the YouTube, I mean, YouTube's never really sent me a lot of money, but you know, YouTube's like, here's $400 this month. I'm like, sick, you know, paid a bill. But once it got to the point where I started getting used to it, it's like, I, it's like, I got, okay, well, that's now a source of my income. That's going to pay the shop rent and the, and the mortgage at the house, blah, blah, blah. I just need to paint two bikes a month or two helmets a month, and then I can continue to have this lifestyle and travel and whatnot. Well, when that shit started going south, it's like, fuck, now I got to paint more. I was trying to quit painting. And then I'm like, hey, guys, I was just kidding about not painting anymore. Bring me that shit because the podcast went back down. You know what I mean? It's like, so it's just a weird thing to kind of like navigate how to how to.

Speaker 2:
[157:17] Yeah, I mean, and there's no like fucking playbook to follow. Everybody's trying to do it on their own. There's fucking tons of podcasts. There's companies you talk about that you're working with. You know, they're just starting their own podcasts. You know, like, why fucking pay some? We've already got people on salary. We can convince them to do that on the side.

Speaker 1:
[157:35] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[157:36] You know, I make a bunch of sacrifices. And like I said, so does my family so that I can do this. And they don't go unnoticed. And you know, it takes a fucking village. Yeah, I mean, it really does. I got a support system, support team, a support. I forgot a family that makes this possible. You know, am I treating them right? You know, just in the last year or two, I've started to realize like I've done a lot to make sure that I don't dislike riding motorcycles or talking to people about motorcycles over the past, I guess, 10 years now. Like that's kind of been the main goal was to like not let this take away what I love so much. But you know, what I love so much is really like, what is over there? What's on the other side of that hill? You know, the fucking, the curiosity is what drives me. But trying to figure out how to balance that and do some things that are more proactive and diversifying what I've got going on and working with other people and bringing them into the fold and taking on that responsibility because I do have fucking two kids that just keep eating more and more, dude. Yeah, you know, my fucking kids are getting big. My youngest kid fucking, dude, he fucking put me in a rear naked chokehold fucking black. I piss myself, dude. Christmas night last year, dude. How can my kid choke me out so fucking hard? Yeah, I mean, they're getting big, you know, but I'm also like, you know, throwing them to the wolves to some extent, you know. I have a pretty old school mentality on raising kids and you know, that's at least an excuse I use. Like, they're going to be fine whether I'm here or not. They're going to fucking, you know, most people I like had a fucked up childhood, you know. So I'm trying to fuck theirs up, you know, so that people like them one day, you know, at least that's what I tell myself. It makes me feel okay about just leaving those motherfuckers. Is it the right move? Fuck? I don't know. You know, is this sustainable? You know, sometimes I think it's not. Sometimes I'm shocked that I've made it as far as I have doing what I'm doing, the way I'm doing it. But I've also kind of like let some things go or taking advantage of some opportunities because I'm like, dude, you know, if I say yes to that, then I have to do this or that. You know, that complicates things. You want me to make a video, you know?

Speaker 1:
[160:08] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[160:09] Fuck. You know, try to not take myself as seriously as I once to had, you know, while also like trying to figure out new, you know, like I would love to go do that, like that South America trip. I would love to go do that in Africa, spend the next fucking eight months just like finding out what's next. But I can't do that and be OK with myself.

Speaker 1:
[160:33] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[160:34] So figuring out ways to take advantage of the places I know, the people I know and the resources I have in using them more efficiently so that I can spend as much time with my feral kids, you know, and my wife. You know, and it's never seems to be enough because it's always like seems like it's more and more, you know, it's not getting easier.

Speaker 1:
[160:53] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[160:54] You know, what's that's what's crazy is like I've been doing this for 10 years and it's only gotten more difficult to keep doing. Yeah, somehow, which is insane to say out loud. But that is the truth. It is absolutely the truth. You know, even with, you know, the people around me, it's like, fuck, I don't have like a community in my area that rides motorcycles. You know, when I come home, I'm fucking with my family. All the guys I used to ride with the Water Street winos or our blood alcohol content was always higher than miles ridden. We don't even get together and drink anymore or hang out and ride, you know, like, because when I'm on my bike, I'm fucking gone, dude. You know, like, fuck, I know some really sick places to go. And I'm being pulled in so many different directions. But, you know, using the podcast, the kickstart competition, the tour company, just the motorcycle, you know, the brands, Harley, you know, the companies that I work with this, like, you know, they're friends, they started out as friendships and now are figuring out how to scratch each other's back. And, you know, me, come to a place where I can, like, comfortably ask for money and feel like it's worth it in return. Like, I'm not like, you know, I'm not asking for a handout. You know, I'm just like, hey, it is more difficult for me to do this now than it was two years ago. Show me that you care about me being able to do this again next year. And those conversations have been very well received, but it's also because I, you know, I put in some work up to this point, you know?

Speaker 1:
[162:29] Yeah, I can definitely attest to the whole, like, it's gotten harder thing because, you know, when I started this on my end, like, there wasn't that much expectations. And then whenever we were like, you know, two years in, we were like, you know what? I want to build a studio and I want to go video. It's like I push myself because I'm a constant, like, I don't know, I want to feel like there's another goal Jace within whatever I'm doing. And the video was a goal. And then now the recent goal has been like more what I'm doing in the world of motorcycling that's changed kind of the conversations that come across the table. But finding like, for everybody out there and to just connect with you, is like, I live very cheap. Like my livelihood, like everything, like we live in a very cheap home. Like we don't have car payments. We're not balling, we're none of that. It's just like, I want to be able to travel more and do more of that. So I need to have as least amount of bills as possible, so that it can be possible to be on the road. But that's why it's getting to a point where it's like, man, I just kind of feel like I need to need a gig, just to pay the bills, do this on the side. I have a weekend off, I can go jump on a bike and not have a worry in the world for two, three days, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 2:
[163:50] Well, people definitely underestimate the pleasures of having a job you can clock out of.

Speaker 1:
[163:57] Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah, you know, it's tough. And then, not to say it's tougher than fucking a lot of jobs out there, you know what I mean? But you mentioned it a while ago, it's like also staying in love with all this stuff. You can find yourself starting to hate motorcycles because a lot of your stress comes from motorcycles in one form or another.

Speaker 2:
[164:24] You know, I always just let the curiosity drive my actions. Like, you know, going from the chopper to the Pan Am, you know, like that was, I didn't do that because Harley needed somebody to fucking showcase a motorcycle. No, I was already on that path, you know? And like, you know, building an M8 chopper, you know, like, there's something new, you know? Like, just like what's on the other side of that fucking mountain? I'm like, well, what can we do with this fucking bike? You know, it's a it's fun and intriguing. And I think like, you know, learning something new is healthy, you know? Like, it's absolutely good to fucking puzzle your mind and try and work through some problems. And that's one reason I like riding off road so much and like places I've never been, because you got to make like split second decisions, you know, where you could get fucking hurt really bad if you don't make the right decision. I love that pressure and so fucking good, you know? We're good under pressure. You know, that's kind of the only time I work is under pressure.

Speaker 1:
[165:28] Yeah, same. No, that's a good point. I mean, finding the challenges in life is what keeps you kind of like like a live feeling, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[165:38] Yeah, just fucking winning, dude. Having small victories.

Speaker 1:
[165:43] Tired blood.

Speaker 2:
[165:44] And you can figure those out on your own, like, you know, small victories fucking just keep you going, dude. Being having something to get excited about, having something to look forward to, you know, having something to achieve gives you like the reason to go down the road, you know? Yeah, the destination can do it. The destination can be a goal or a, you know, whatever it may be.

Speaker 1:
[166:05] Yeah, I'm with you on that. I feel like the goals that I set is what kind of keeps me motivated to go through things. And I think it's kind of like I used to associate to my, you know, my little brother, right?

Speaker 2:
[166:19] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[166:19] This band, he or just him in general, but he had a band that started getting kind of good, right? And all the time I felt like he would like, you know, I'm done with this, I'm quitting. And they would get a little bit of a, of a like, an opportunity that kind of reignited the passion or the, or gave him a little bit more fuel to keep going a little bit further. And I feel like that's what happens a lot in these, these kinds of worlds where like, I'm at a point now where I'm like, you know what, I really want to start, I want to move this into another direction, but then something will happen on this side. That's not like change my life thing, but gives me another jolt of like motivation to keep going. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[166:56] It's just a little breadcrumb.

Speaker 1:
[166:57] Exactly. And it, it, it does take you to a bet. Like I'm in a much better place than I've been before, but it like, it never solves a problem. It just kind of, it kind of more or less just illuminates a new problem. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2:
[167:12] It's just a clue.

Speaker 1:
[167:13] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[167:14] Fucking gives you direction. Let the wind blow you around. That's what you got to get out there on that chopper, dude. Just fucking point at West. Don't set up no fucking podcast. Just take them as they come. As the opportunities arise.

Speaker 1:
[167:27] That's kind of what we do a lot of times whenever I do get out. I'll reach out to bigger brands that I want to do, but this past weekend, I'd go into that hog rally. I met this dude, Peyton, that's riding around that shovelhead and chopped it up with him. He had just moved back to Lafayette from San Francisco, so he was telling me what it was like building his chopper and riding around San Francisco. That would have never happened the way it happened, and Phil was organic and cool as it did. Had I been following this dude on Instagram for months and then we linked up, there was no expectations. It was just like, wherever the fuck happened, happened, right? And so I do a test of that, just getting out and being open. That was a big thing that when I did my seven week trip on the Gold Chopper downstairs, I wanted to photograph the country and ride the country and spend an exorbitant amount of time on the road. Very inspired by Todd Bluebaugh and his book, but I spent a year prepping for that trip and all I did was create expectations the entire time. So the entire trip was a fucking mindfuck of like, I didn't get enough photos here. This is the last time I'm seeing the Pacific Ocean. Did I get enough? Is it right? I didn't do enough podcasts. Like it was just so much that I hinged to be gone for seven weeks that I felt like I owed it to my life to have a lot to show for it. And it really, it didn't ruin the trip, but it really exposed things about myself that I definitely have needed to work on and have worked on since.

Speaker 2:
[169:04] Well, there you go. There you go. Then the trip worked.

Speaker 1:
[169:06] It did work in hindsight. It didn't work on the plans I set though.

Speaker 2:
[169:10] Yeah. Well, fuck those plans, dude.

Speaker 1:
[169:12] But this is the way I am. I'm a planner, you know, like I, you know, control freak for the most part. That's the way I am.

Speaker 2:
[169:21] Yeah. Well, you know, that shovelhead will teach you some more. Yeah. Just getting started, dude.

Speaker 1:
[169:28] That's probably why it's so enticing, you know.

Speaker 2:
[169:32] Yeah, because you don't know it. The curiosity. What's, can it get me there? It will. It can.

Speaker 1:
[169:37] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[169:37] You know, probably not going to get you the way you think it should or the way you want it to. You know, I've said this many times, some of the most epic things that have happened to me in my life was from breaking down someplace. You know, like that South America trip, dude, I fucking, dude, it was killer. It was so fucking killer. I mean, the places I got to see, the food I got to eat, the roads I got to ride. Yeah. But one of the most memorable things was when the thing finally fucking quit working and it, you know, it wasn't even that it quit working. I tried to fix some shit that I should have ignored and fucked it up completely to where it didn't work at all because I fucking broke some plastic spring loaded bullshit. And I had to rely on the people around me, dude. I end up having to reach out to somebody and, you know, his brother showed up after driving 10 hours and picked me up in a fucking Toyota Hilux. And we stuck the bike that weighed as much as that truck in the back of that thing and drove another 10 hours back where he came from. And I got to like immerse myself with their family. I was stuck there with no ride. We were fucking cooking food every night, drinking wine and eating beer and meeting his family and him having people. It was incredible. I really got to not just see the culture from through a window. I had to go inside. It took my motorcycle breaking down to have that happen. And I wouldn't give that back for the world. I almost wish it would have broke down more in some other places. For real.

Speaker 1:
[171:09] Yeah. I do. I know that. I know that feeling of like, when you know someone in town or like you go sleep on someone's couch, you get way more, I feel like you get a better experience than if you just grab a hotel. You know?

Speaker 2:
[171:24] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[171:25] So. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[171:26] You immerse yourself in it.

Speaker 1:
[171:28] Yeah. And then, you know, that's something I like, I try to do that a lot for people that come through here. Like I'll put them up or take them out, whatever the case may be. But some of my closest friends now are people that like, you know, I might've knew them online, but I was like, hey, man, I'm coming through and just do a podcast. And like, why would I get you a hotel room? I was like, man, I can sleep on the couch or fucking in the garage. I don't care.

Speaker 2:
[171:47] They're like, fuck, we don't want you to sleep on our couch, dude. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[171:50] And I'm like, come on, man, let me sleep on the couch.

Speaker 2:
[171:52] I always say the shop. I'm like, do you got a cot, dude? Just put me in your shop, dude. I don't want to sleep in your kid's bed. You know, just put me in your shop. I'll just sleep on your floor of your shop.

Speaker 1:
[172:01] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[172:02] One time I showed up to his shop, dude, and I swear the fucking whole floor was me and Kickstart Mike, dude. The whole floor is covered in like hydraulic fluid and fucking metal shavings. Like Mike was like, dude, I've worked my whole life so that I can buy motels. That's what we're doing right now. We're going to get a fucking motel. I was like, OK, all right. Not all shops are created equal.

Speaker 1:
[172:24] Yeah. Yeah. Well, in that case, I understand. But, you know, to the point of like what you were saying and what I'm trying to just co-sign on, it's like finding a way to like get involved with the people around there. It's like the difference between being a tourist.

Speaker 2:
[172:38] What I'm saying is you just got to take off on that shovelhead.

Speaker 1:
[172:40] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[172:41] Don't wait on nobody. Just fucking go. You know, maybe even like get rid of your cell phone. Pull out a fucking paper map, dude.

Speaker 1:
[172:49] Well, I don't I don't carry. I don't put my phone on the on the bars or any of that stuff. I usually put it in my backpack behind me.

Speaker 2:
[172:55] Really?

Speaker 1:
[172:56] Yeah. I'm pretty good.

Speaker 2:
[172:57] You know where you're going, dude.

Speaker 1:
[172:58] Good with maps like I kind of map.

Speaker 2:
[173:00] Do you look at you just look at it ahead of time?

Speaker 1:
[173:02] I'll just study it and be like, OK. And you know, the next gas station is going to be whatever on mile markers or I mean, when you go west, it's not like you have a lot of turns. You know what I mean? Like going east, I'd probably have to have.

Speaker 2:
[173:16] I'd like to find somebody to talk to that knows a lot about how the roads are laid out and how they number them. And the consistencies involved from, you know, and I've talked to people that know like state roads, you know, different states have different procedures when they build roads and like, you know, how they, you know, down to how they mark the turns, you know, like what the radius is, how fast you can go around them or when the warning signs show up when it's 45 mile an hour speed limit or 65 or 75. You got to slow down to 45. You know, there's little things I pay attention to are consistent in some places. In some places, they're just fucking, they're just not done very well at all.

Speaker 1:
[173:53] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[173:54] There's a road in Mexico that I always talk about. It's outside of Orizaba and it's the old main road to get out of Orizaba to go to Oaxaca. And it's so fucking killer, dude. But they will never make another road like that. Like, engineers are just way better at making roads. I mean, this road's got like off camber turns, decreasing, increasing rate. I mean, it's just fucked up. And the pavement's great because trucks can't even drive down it. Like, that's how fucked up the road is. But it's, you know, the pavement's great, but the road is just fucking wild, you know? And there's no fucking signs. It's so killer, but you know, no place is making roads like that anymore. Because they have, like, engineers that decide, just like when you build a house, like, you got to build it to these specs. Well, the states each have their own, you know, specs of how they build the state roads down to counties. And then there's, like, the national road system, that fucking, you know, the interstates. It'd be cool to talk to somebody that knows that shit really well. Because that shit fascinates me, looking at numbers all the time, going east and west. You know, just like, you know, the odd numbers are going north and south. Even numbers are going east and west. There's other things like that that I'm not aware of that I haven't picked up.

Speaker 1:
[175:04] I'm not super versed in it. But like, what fascinates me is, like, as you look at east coast versus going west, the placement of towns, like on the east coast, I think it's like five miles on center in a lot of areas, because that was like the time it took to walk to market.

Speaker 2:
[175:20] Really?

Speaker 1:
[175:21] Versus here, we're 30 miles on center. Just about all the major towns like Texas and a lot of the Midwest. I mean, the central part of the country is all like 30 mile spreads on stuff. But out east, it's crazy. Like you look at it, it's all five miles apart. There's about every little town or whatever, until you get, a place like Philadelphia will grow up into one huge place, but like the old fucking, like the back country, if you will, because everybody was like walking to shit back then, early parts. Out here was trains and then obviously what not. But I think the way the town, like the railroad built the towns going west, right? So that dictated a lot of the spread of the towns, which then dictated a lot of the routes that people would go to those towns. So like when you get your 287s, that's kind of like, you know.

Speaker 2:
[176:14] Well, that's until you get to the Rockies though. And then it all changes because the natives and the people like the Comanches in the middle. Yeah, and all that affects all that. That shit's interesting to me.

Speaker 1:
[176:24] Yeah, I mean, the mountains definitely changed a lot of that terrain, too, because now you kind of go back to more of a, I guess you would say a primitive, you know, maybe more of a like necessity based town stuff where this place is tucked in the right spot for resources.

Speaker 2:
[176:39] Yeah, because there's a river crossing coming up and a lot of people stopped here to wait till the river was good to cross. Or till the mountain was clear to go over. Dude, and all those tracks are also fucking, you know, traveled by natives and wild animals ahead of time. That shit fascinates the fuck out of me. Like West Texas, there's a guy named, oh, what's his name? Ben, Ben something, dude. He was a highwayman for like 50 years, but he's written a lot about West Texas and the Big Bend area and how all those roads and trails were traversed years ago by the trade from the candle area that they were smuggling in from Mexico. And just the way to get it, there's three ways to get into Big Ben. There's the Persimmon's Gap and then two others. The route you come in from Alpine and then Presidio. And then there's a couple other ones, but those are harder to do. And they're all based on like, well, if you're going on a course, you can get there this way. If you've got a wagon, you got to go this other way because the wagon will make it. And then if you're an outlaw, you skirt all of those places and they have their own route. That's a little bit more technical that is less traveled or they won't run into as many people. And then the roads are built off of all that. And now the fucking concrete is slowly taking in like a cancer and just fucking covering our entire country.

Speaker 1:
[177:57] I want to go ride more places.

Speaker 2:
[178:01] You're right.

Speaker 1:
[178:01] I'm not a dirt guy, but I get what you're saying, 100%. Well, when I read that whole fucking Empire of the Summer Moon book, it completely changed my joy of riding through these parts of the country that I think most people...

Speaker 2:
[178:17] Yeah, your appreciation for the ground that you can cover.

Speaker 1:
[178:20] You know, like reading about all the stuff, all the people that settled in West Texas and Kansas and all that. I swear to God, after I finished reading that book, it was right before Sturgis, like 2020, 21, 22, something like that. And I rode all through, instead of going 35 north or going away to Colorado, I went to the Panhandle of Texas and went up north through that. And I'm like, it was just dope seeing these towns that I read about. And then it's like, it just, like I said, again, it changed my connection to it. I wasn't looking at these sleepy ass towns or this flat road as like, oh, this is boring. I was like, no, this is interesting. Like some shit happened here a long time ago.

Speaker 2:
[179:04] Yeah, I mean, it's fucking all over the country. What blew my mind is how well that book put in perspective, how the Comanities were able to cover such a vast swath of plains and being able to give directions. You know, because like when you're in the mountains in the Appalachia, if you say, you know, follow the sun that way until you see a fucking cliff. Well, if you fucking, if you're one hill over, you may miss that cliff. But when you're on the plains, you can say, you know, follow the sun until you see this fucking structure that they can draw in the dirt, which is some weird looking peak. And then fucking, you know, head towards the North Star. You could give directions and get people to cover a vast amount of land, a shit ton of miles in the plains more so than you could in the mountains, anywhere else. So they were able to like control a giant area that was tough to live in because they could point out the water sources and they knew where those things were, where if you didn't know about that shit, you know, that was the edge of the frontier, you know, where it turns to planes like people just fucking quit going, not only because there wasn't resources, but because the commandeers were fucking killing them. You know, they were like, get the fuck out of here, dude. Empire of the Southern Room wasn't great, but...

Speaker 1:
[180:10] Yeah, I think that old Taylor Sheridan was like, I think I read some about they were trying to make a movie about it, you know what I mean, which I think it'd be dope. I mean, that's just super interesting to me. Like I said, it really changed my perspective on a lot of it, you know.

Speaker 2:
[180:24] Yeah, to do it justice though, it'd be fucking rated X.

Speaker 1:
[180:28] Rated X?

Speaker 2:
[180:29] Dude, for real, I mean, yeah. I mean, what they fucking went through, you know, it's crazy is like, you know, it talks about Cynthia Parker, like, not wanting to go back to the fucking Eastern way of life after living with the Comanches. She's just like, no, I think these guys got it going on. I know they make me work. All the men are just out there fucking killing shit and smoking their pipe, watching the ladies prepare all the leather and the food and build the fucking teepees and move the teepees. It's fucking savages, dude.

Speaker 1:
[180:59] Yeah, I think she got buried like East Texas somewhere. I forget where it's like somewhere we passed like on 30, I think, going up to like Texarkana and shit like that. But I rode my bike down. Actually, when I went to go, I drove through it. When I did a podcast with Darryl Borba a couple years ago, I wanted to drive through Fort Parker and all that stuff and check out that stuff. It's dope, man. I love all that shit. And then going down south, you get to where all the Germans and how they put them, they let all these immigrants have this to kind of be a buffer between the Indians and the white man, I guess you'd say. And it's just, it's fascinating shit to me, you know? And there's, I mean, you've, I think like you, just being kind of immersed more into like, hanging out with Ivo and them out there in Terralingo, like you just get these stories and it's kind of like you were just talking about with, you know, being able to go get taken in by this family in, you know, South America to get your bike work done. Like you're in Terralingo area and you're with Ivo and the other people from there and just the stories and the history.

Speaker 2:
[182:09] Oh, that place has got some wild fucking stories.

Speaker 1:
[182:12] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[182:14] Yeah, somebody was pointing out this fucking, this old airport that, you know, they used to, I mean, they used to smuggle a bunch of shit in and they still probably fucking do, you know, people were up all in up in arms about building a wall through there because it's a natural border. Well, shit, they've been smuggling shit over there for fucking years, you know, like a long time. I mean, still every fucking day people cross that border illegally and go to work in Terlingua, you know, every fucking day. You know, not that I'm saying there should be a wall, but to act like there's nothing, you know, that a wall wouldn't prevent some things is kind of fucking ignorant as well. You know, West was telling me that Carroll Shelby and his fucking Racing Foundation built River Road. You know, I mean, that road is fucking epic. You know, Carroll Shelby's history of just buying that ranch to begin with, to test race fucking vehicles out there in the desert. And it's like, it was like no rules. He was the one that started the chili cook off. Somebody told him that he couldn't turn fucking chili making into a sport. And he was like, we'll see about that. You know? And yeah, in the trade route through, and all the mining that used to happen out there, dude, there's some ruins that I can take you to. They're fucking incredible, dude.

Speaker 1:
[183:32] This country is so full of amazing rides and stuff.

Speaker 2:
[183:35] I mean, that crossing in Lejitas, Blackjack Crossing, is named after General Blackjack Pershing, who was the first US military guy to get the military, the US military to buy Harley-Davidson's and bring them into war. They fucking outfitted these JDs with fucking 50 cal machine guns. And they were down there fighting Pancho Villa on the fucking Texas-Mexico border. That shit is hard to ride on a fucking Pan America. I can't imagine on a JD with a fucking 50 cal. Some dude riding in the side seat fucking, you know there's parts scattered throughout that fucking desert.

Speaker 3:
[184:09] There's probably teeth laying around everywhere.

Speaker 2:
[184:11] Dude, teeth and fucking just spokes, you know, whatever the fuck fell off those fucking motorcycles, dude. And that was like, you know, fuck, they would cross that. I mean, you know, the fucking old, before the Texas Rangers, they would cross into Chihuahua scouts of Indians and scouts of Mexicans and get paid fucking bounties on however many scouts they could pull. yeah. Have you read Blood Meridian?

Speaker 1:
[184:40] No, not yet.

Speaker 2:
[184:41] Dude, that shit's good.

Speaker 1:
[184:42] What's that one about?

Speaker 2:
[184:44] It's about some scalp hunters.

Speaker 1:
[184:45] Scalp hunting, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[184:47] Kind of draws, there's a guy named Bigfoot Wallace. He was one of the first Texas Rangers. It's loosely based on his life and a bunch of other people like the Glanton Gang. The Judges, imagine. They might be making that into a movie. You know, what I was really hoping, what I was really hoping was, you know, Jeff Nichols did the...

Speaker 1:
[185:10] Bike riders.

Speaker 2:
[185:11] Bike riders. He was introduced to the bike riders from his brother Ben Nichols, lead singer Lucero. Ben Nichols did an album called Last Pale Light in the West that was a tribute to the book Blood Meridian. And I was really hoping that fucking Jeff Nichols would take that next bait and make the Blood Meridian and do a movie. I mean, Scorsese tried to do it. What's that other goofball that did like... I think he did Grandma's Boy. Anyway, there's...

Speaker 1:
[185:41] Grandma's Boy?

Speaker 2:
[185:42] They've tried to do it multiple times, and it just hasn't been successful, because it's so fucking gnarly, you know? Like, it'd be rated X if they did it justice, you know?

Speaker 1:
[185:52] What did you think of Bike Riders once it finally came out?

Speaker 2:
[185:54] Oh, it was fucking killer, dude.

Speaker 1:
[185:56] I loved it, too.

Speaker 2:
[185:56] It was fucking killer. I mean, it did such a good job of storytelling in so many different ways. You know, and it put some sick-ass bikes on the big screen, you know? Put some friends of mine on the big screen.

Speaker 1:
[186:09] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[186:10] Some that were already there, and some that hadn't been. And it was just, you know, telling that story in a way that really stayed true to, like, the origins of that story to some degree, while also being just different enough where, you know, there was some separation, but also telling the broader story of, like, you know, how...

Speaker 1:
[186:32] How it changed?

Speaker 2:
[186:33] Well, you know, like, how when you create anything, it ends up being controlled by the people that it attracts. You know, like, in anything. That happens anything. Like when I talk about DMT, Dangerous Motorcycle Tours, that is, you know, whatever... Whoever that attracts is ultimately going to have control as to where we go and how we get there.

Speaker 1:
[186:54] I mean, that's the same... That's the Harley story, right? What people do on the bikes is what kind of changed the course of it.

Speaker 2:
[187:01] Yeah, I mean, they fucking ran from it for a while, then they took advantage of it for a while, and now they're just like trying to figure out how to, you know, survive right now. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, they didn't like the outlaw image, you know, the fucking, you know, the biker clubs that were attaching themselves to that Harley-Davidson in the 50s and 60s. And they were like, you know, they didn't want to have anything to do with that. You know, just like Honda put out their slogan, you know, you meet the nicest people on a Honda. That was to say, hey, we don't have one percent clubs riding our motorcycles.

Speaker 3:
[187:36] That's what I said on the last podcast. They had like a commercial where they had like a guy in a suit, like kissing his family, and he gets on a motorcycle and leaves.

Speaker 2:
[187:46] Yeah, so Harley was, you know, they sympathized with that thought. They didn't want to be the motorcycle brand that was, you know, that people thought about when they think about one percent clubs. And then turns out, you know, Willie G buys the company back. He's like, no, everybody wants to be a fucking part of that outlaw lifestyle. So we're going to sell it to all the doctors and lawyers and let you guys dress up and be fucking outlaws on the weekends and ride your fucking Harleys dressed in leather. And, you know, you can go to Sturges, you can go to Daytona.

Speaker 1:
[188:20] But yeah, it's yeah, that's a good point about the movie. It does know that what you said about how you started this with this idea. But ultimately, the people didn't have it. It becomes whatever they want it to be, essentially.

Speaker 2:
[188:32] Yeah, those fucking kids showed up and killed that dude. Yeah, like, fuck you. You're not fucking gnarly enough for us.

Speaker 1:
[188:38] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[188:39] We had this idea of what this club was, and you're not representing it, even though you started it.

Speaker 1:
[188:44] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[188:44] So we're going to kill you.

Speaker 1:
[188:47] That's actually, you know, honestly, in a way, I think maybe that's probably why, subconsciously, I might have, you know, ended the camp out. Like maybe I had an idea of what I wanted it to be, and it was growing into something else or whatever.

Speaker 2:
[188:59] Attracting people that didn't have the same goals as you.

Speaker 1:
[189:04] I think it is what it was.

Speaker 2:
[189:07] That's why I think that movie wasn't just like a movie for bikers. You know, I think it was hard for people to see or take it in because it was done so well to stay true to that biker lifestyle. You know, the violence, you know, the fucking, the attitude, the motorcycles. It was done really well. Stay true to that. But it also like told a broader story that's very common in all aspects of life. And it was just done very well.

Speaker 1:
[189:34] Yeah, I could see that now. I mean, I enjoyed the movie when it came out. You know what I mean? Like, I watched it. It just felt good to see motorcycles on the big screen, like you had mentioned. And, you know, there's so many good stories, I think, that people could find. You know, Todd Blueball's story, his book. That would be a fucking epic movie. They could probably, especially with this day and age, with how many people are burned out and just on edge and anxious and depressed. Like, not that that was what his book's about, but what the solutions to a lot of those problems might be on a motorcycle out in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 2:
[190:11] Yeah, I call it wind therapy for a reason. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[190:13] And I just feel like, you know, if maybe Hollywood, air quotes, could take on a biker, a motorcycle centric thing, and maybe leave the club side of things out for a while and focus on the good, not the good, but just like the true benefits of being on a motorcycle, the discovery, like we're talking about, the, all these aspects, there's so many great stories that can be said through that.

Speaker 2:
[190:38] Have you seen Born to Lose?

Speaker 1:
[190:42] That's the one that just came out recently. I haven't seen it yet, no.

Speaker 2:
[190:44] Yeah, they're like doing the film circuit right now.

Speaker 1:
[190:46] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[190:46] You know, it touches on, it touches into that motorcycle culture. It touches into fucking, you know, chicks and drugs and choppers and building old bikes and the connections that can be made. And, you know, how it can be healthy, you know, and it can be, even though it looks, it is dangerous and it looks evil from the outside, there are some really good things that are just inherently good when you work with somebody to accomplish a goal and build something old. It's an interesting movie. Yeah, I'm glad I've got to see that.

Speaker 1:
[191:21] Yeah, I saw that they had did like an initial screening of it when it first came out in San Francisco at one of the events, I think, or they threw an event forward or something like that.

Speaker 2:
[191:28] Right.

Speaker 1:
[191:28] Yeah. But I haven't seen a way to watch it yet.

Speaker 2:
[191:32] Well, they're doing, I think, this weekend. They just did a showing yesterday, maybe, and they're doing another one, and that's in like Charleston or somewhere, Winston-Salem. They have a film, some kind of film. What do you call those fucking things?

Speaker 1:
[191:50] Yeah. Yeah. Festival. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[191:54] Yeah. Hopefully, it'll be out by the end of the year, either in theaters and or streaming.

Speaker 1:
[191:59] That'd be cool. It'd be nice to see more stuff like that. You know what I mean? Keep our boy Jeff Milburn employed.

Speaker 2:
[192:08] Jeff Milburn is doing just fine.

Speaker 1:
[192:10] He's doing fine.

Speaker 2:
[192:11] He's doing just fine. We need to find a new dog, but he's doing just fine.

Speaker 1:
[192:14] Oh, his dog passed?

Speaker 2:
[192:16] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[192:17] I need to reach out to him.

Speaker 2:
[192:20] Yeah, I mean, bikes in Hollywood. I mean, that's a fucking tough one, especially old ones. Yeah, I mean, you know, and it's like it's also like not great for the masses and, you know, movies that play it so safe right now. That's why they make so many fucking DC comic movies because so many people like those comic book movies, but they're not taking chances these days. You know, like even with comedies, you know, like they're it's watered down for the masses. And, you know, it's like, you know, one thing I've seen like a Tennessee motorcycle music revival right out of the gate, they came in hot with a fucking bad ass music lineup. First few years. But because it was a biker event, they didn't get any anybody that wasn't a biker didn't show up to see that music. You know, like people, they want to keep their distance because, you know, the bikers are bikers and people feel like they're not going to be accepted or be around or be a part of that if they're not bikers, which, you know, they could be wrong. They could be right. I'm sure they're right in most instances. So to like do a film that's like trying to commute. I mean, I feel like bike riders did it. Like they communicated with everybody, but you had to like, you had to immerse yourself in that world, which I'm sure was tough for a lot of people. I mean, I don't think that movie was as well received as, you know, as I wanted it to be.

Speaker 1:
[193:39] Yeah, I think a lot of people probably wanted it to be more flamboyantly action-based and not story-driven the way it was.

Speaker 2:
[193:48] Well, fucking, they, that preview they put out looked like it was going to be just fucking, you know, run them down, shoot them up.

Speaker 1:
[193:56] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[193:57] Shoot them up. You know, like it made it seem like it was going to be action-packed the whole way. And then it was not that at all. I mean, it was, but it wasn't.

Speaker 1:
[194:08] I think most people that, I mean, the book is a photo book. It's very, it's not really a story. It's just, it's interviews, right? So, I mean, them writing a script off of what was there and adapting it to what it is, I thought was a great, you know, situation. But yeah, a lot of people that never heard of it or whatever, like, you know what I'm saying? Like it's just, I get it. And that's what some of my friends that weren't really first in this world of motorcycling said, like, oh, I thought it was going to be more like Sons of Anarchy.

Speaker 2:
[194:42] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[194:42] You know, and I'm like, oh, well, the book wasn't like that.

Speaker 2:
[194:45] But we'll do the, I mean, the way that he took those characters out of the book, put them on the screen and also told that story that I talked about while also taking. I mean, if you look into the history of the outlaws, it's just really well, it's so well done that I could see how some people would not be stoked about it. Yeah, because it's not done exactly the same way. You know, it's like made for screen, but yeah, you know, it takes a lot of cues from actual history. Yeah, and then not giving the club its due credit. You know, I could see how they would be, you know, like, well, you took a bunch of inspiration and yet.

Speaker 1:
[195:24] But there's usually some, that could be something to do.

Speaker 2:
[195:27] Well, that could go both ways. They would be upset if their name was on it. They're going to be upset if their name isn't on it. Yeah, but it's it's strikingly like, I wonder, I would love to talk to Jeff and see, like, you know, where do the inspirate, like, where did you decide that some kids would come in and kill this guy? Was that because you did research on the history of that club outside? You like, did all this inspiration come from just the book? Or did you go and look at what history you could find about the Outlaws Club itself or all other clubs? You know, like, where did the rest of that story come from?

Speaker 1:
[196:02] Well, it was also unique, you know, talking about how, you know, because it documented this in the movie, but basically the difference between the people that were coming home from Vietnam versus the people before, you know, like when they ended up beating up the one dude that was kind of like their original member that was talking about going to be a cop versus, you know, the people mentality.

Speaker 2:
[196:20] Versus Todd and his buddies that came back all fucking hot. They'd be killing people over there. A little violence was, you know, just a little violence for what they were used to.

Speaker 1:
[196:29] Exactly. So I thought it was a good way to tell a story. And I think with some kind of accuracy as well that like prior to that, clubs were rowdy, but it was more like Marlon Brando and the Wild, was it Wild Ones or Wild Bunch or something like that, running through a town and just having a good time, and it being disruptive and dissonant.

Speaker 2:
[196:50] That started in Hollister and then they fucking the news, put their spin on it to make it seem like it was wilder than it was. And then the people read that and they're like, oh, we want to be that wild. No, not what actually happened. We want to do what they said happened in the news. And it's just like art mimicking reality, reality mimicking art. And it's just like being this crazy, endless feedback loop that turns in the sons of anarchy.

Speaker 1:
[197:20] A serial killer. Yeah, it was wild. I mean, I enjoyed Sons of Anarchy. I mean, everybody says it was dumb, it was full of shit, any time. It's like watching, you know, there's that movie, The Warrior, Warriors, that was like about MMA fighting.

Speaker 2:
[197:36] Are you talking about the Warriors?

Speaker 1:
[197:38] No, not the Warriors. Not that one, no.

Speaker 3:
[197:40] I'm talking about, was that the one with the two brothers?

Speaker 1:
[197:42] We had Tom Hardy in it, and it was like they were MMA fighter dudes. And like, there's just, it's like a, if it was just like a normal MMA fight, watching that shit would be like, people would be booing because they're on the ground, you know, grappling. So a movie has to keep you engaged, right? Well, you can't watch, like Sons of Anarchy has to be wild like that because they're not really making it for bikers, they're making it for the world that, you know, kind of like what you're saying, like it needs to be wild and crazy so that it, there's some truth to it. There's some kind of like rooted truth in that, but it's like, okay, well now it's plausible. Yeah, right?

Speaker 3:
[198:20] That's why a lot of things say it's like based on a story.

Speaker 1:
[198:23] Loosely, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[198:24] It's not an actual, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[198:29] I dig it all.

Speaker 2:
[198:31] But well, there's like the bike riders is like the only film that I'm aware of that covers that in between the wild bunch in like easy riders.

Speaker 1:
[198:40] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[198:42] All the other motorcycle movies were like post easy riders versus like choppers riding around.

Speaker 1:
[198:47] You could easily do. I feel like you could easily just take the premise of easy riders and just modernize it and do something similar to that.

Speaker 2:
[198:54] Like like 21 days under the sky.

Speaker 1:
[198:56] Yeah. You know, maybe with like more of a story driven, you know, narrative, not so much just like, have you seen that movie?

Speaker 2:
[199:04] Uh, fuck, what's the name of it? It's so fucking well and badly done all at the same time. Oh, dude, it's so fucking good. Oh, this fucking guy. I'm going to butcher it. I can't. I can't do it. There's a fucking good one out. This guy, he was he's just like a personality. He was a fucking musician. He played Sturgis all the time. His him and his brother, I think it was, started this biker radio show on the Internet. Like it was the first biker radio show on the Internet, like back in early 2000s. It happened to coincidentally coincide with their cousin getting out of prison for like hacking the AT&T satellites. Somehow, they got him to build this biker radio and create... Maybe he didn't create a following. Maybe they attracted a following. But then at some point, one of them, maybe his brother, won the fucking lottery and they made a fucking movie. And right out of the gate, dude, the guy's like at a crossroads on his chopper, it fucking breaks, he gets fired from his job, his girlfriend fucking leaves. Or no, that's what happens. His fucking biker, his chopper quits running, he gets fired from his job and his girlfriend leaves him. And then next thing you know, he's at the crossroads talking to the devil.

Speaker 1:
[200:28] So it's good but bad.

Speaker 2:
[200:30] Oh, it's fucking both. It's so both, it's so both. It's like the storyline, when you say it, it sounds like, oh, this is good. You're like, this is...

Speaker 1:
[200:41] But the acting is kind of like subpar.

Speaker 2:
[200:43] It's a bike, real bikers made the movie.

Speaker 1:
[200:46] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[200:46] Like bikers.

Speaker 1:
[200:47] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[200:48] Like Michael Lichter's in the movie. He didn't even know he was in the movie. They like brought him over to fucking shoot a bike and they were videoing him.

Speaker 1:
[200:55] Oh, sick.

Speaker 2:
[200:56] Beaners in the movie.

Speaker 1:
[200:57] For real?

Speaker 2:
[200:57] Oh, there's a bunch of people in the movie.

Speaker 1:
[201:00] God damn.

Speaker 2:
[201:00] Like from the industry. There's no fucking actors in it. Fuck, what is this guy's name? It's worth watching. You can get it on Amazon.

Speaker 1:
[201:11] Are they on like modern bikes and everything?

Speaker 2:
[201:13] No, he's on his fucking panhead chopper. He ends up like by the end of the movie, he's got a Captain America chopper.

Speaker 1:
[201:19] You know, shit.

Speaker 2:
[201:21] But yeah, I'm sure most of the bikes are modern. But, you know, the bike that doesn't run is this kickstart fucking panhead or shovel head. And the guy was like a, you know, he was a fucking character in the industry at Sturgis. He played at the chip like every fucking year. You know, he was a personality. And he fucking I think he died in a motorcycle wreck four or five years ago. Well, what is his name?

Speaker 1:
[201:46] The Born to Lose movie you mentioned, like when more stuff like that comes out and it starts to like be interesting, I think it'll inspire so many more people to make maybe, you know, self-funded.

Speaker 2:
[201:59] Well, I mean, I thought the fucking bike riders was going to do that, you know?

Speaker 1:
[202:03] Well, maybe the bike riders had some kind of influence on this movie, even though I know this 100% of it.

Speaker 2:
[202:07] I'm sure they saw being possible to do something like that. I mean, it's it's with I mean, film is changing so much right now.

Speaker 1:
[202:14] I mean, all of us out here and I say, there's so many people out there making YouTube stuff that the only thing really lacking right now is like instead of talking to the camera, you're not looking at the camera anymore and make a movie about it, you know, get rid of the eye contact with the lens, tell this story of us going across the country, whether it's in documentation form or just like living out this.

Speaker 2:
[202:41] Like what Stray's doing?

Speaker 1:
[202:43] Yeah, yeah. I love his videos he makes, you know, but you know, like the Yin and Yang one was great. You know what I mean? And at first, and I've been thinking about this a lot.

Speaker 2:
[202:52] The cell phone movie.

Speaker 1:
[202:53] Yeah, exactly. At first, my first like, shout out to Tay, watch of it, you know, I watched it when it dropped and I sat on the couch. I watched it on my big screen, right? Which more people, you should watch motorcycle content on your TV and not your phone. You'll like it a lot more. It's better.

Speaker 2:
[203:10] I guess I gotta get a big screen.

Speaker 1:
[203:11] Just get a TV and watch it on TV. So when I watched it, I was like, cool, cool. What's going on? What's going on? I was, I was trying to watch it as a YouTube video, right? Because as a YouTube video, like I'm used to it.

Speaker 2:
[203:25] You need somebody to explain it to you every step of the way.

Speaker 1:
[203:27] But then the second time I watched through it after, I think I had a conversation with someone.

Speaker 2:
[203:32] You just saw it as entertainment for your eyes?

Speaker 1:
[203:35] I saw that it like, you know, a movie doesn't tell you everything upfront. A movie guides you through a story, right? A YouTuber is almost like holding your hand through the whole situation, right? So it's finding a way to balance it out. Not to say that Alex was like, you know, or I think it's Axwell. I think it's... Not to say that he had all this grand idea, but I think the simplicity of it is what made it so fun to watch. And then as they got used to each other, you get more context towards the end of the movie, if you will. So what I'm getting at is like, I feel like finding a way to document some of the things that you or I or people do on motorcycles and the travels in a way of like, not doing it like, hey guys, it's your boy, I'm about here, we're in Columbia, just broke down. You know, instead of being that way, show the breakdown, show something that is Columbia and tell the story through visuals and soundscapes, if you will. And then just fill in the blanks with like, some kind of dialogue that actually helps carry the story, but doesn't like give you too much information where you, you know, it's not that exact. That makes sense. You know, good music is subjective or it's not, it's a, there's a little bit of ways that you can make that music fit your narrative in one way or another. The words, the lyrics could be literal things, but they feel different to individuals. You know what I mean? And that's the way a movie can come across or if you do it that way, or some shit like that.

Speaker 2:
[205:15] I'm sure there's somebody doing it right now.

Speaker 1:
[205:16] Hopefully, yeah. I mean, to me, I'm no where near the place of being able to do that.

Speaker 2:
[205:22] But do you digest a bunch of YouTube?

Speaker 1:
[205:25] In certain times, like when I'm working upstairs a lot, I do because I'll work on my desk and I'll play YouTube videos. But if I'm downstairs, like I've been for the last month or so working on this bike, I'm too engaged with other stuff to have something playing. Now, I thought I don't ever use this TV in here anymore. I thought about putting that downstairs and just putting YouTube on downstairs while I'm working and casually viewing it when it pops up. But I try to watch a lot of stuff. I find a lot of inspiration through YouTube versus Instagram. You know what I mean? But it's a little bit more time consuming. Pinterest is where it's at, though, dog. Pinterest is the best place.

Speaker 2:
[206:03] Is that where you get your paint ideas?

Speaker 1:
[206:05] Maybe not paint ideas.

Speaker 2:
[206:07] Are you being serious?

Speaker 1:
[206:08] Yeah. There's a lot of inspirational shit on there.

Speaker 2:
[206:11] What are you getting inspired?

Speaker 1:
[206:13] Just like things I'm into, like the architecture, the graphic design.

Speaker 3:
[206:20] Well, now you're telling me some of the color palettes.

Speaker 1:
[206:23] Yeah. You could find good color palettes and stuff. It's once you curate a feed on there based on your interests, it's actually interesting stuff, but without the context of comments and likes and all that shit. It's just things to be interested in and check out, you know? So I dig it for that aspect, you know what I mean? Photography, ideas for photo shoots, you know, outfits for like, if you were going to make a scene. You know, I think about all that type of shit, man. In another life, I'd love to make a movie, you know? I don't know what that looks like now, but I'm not saying I would never consider doing something like that if I got there. So.

Speaker 2:
[207:07] Stray's making a movie.

Speaker 1:
[207:09] He is?

Speaker 2:
[207:09] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[207:12] About?

Speaker 2:
[207:13] Fuck, I don't know. I have no fucking clue. It's a movie. I just know he's gonna shoot a movie. I just see he made a post recently about it. He's got Cody done, you know, a couple of chicks, and I don't know, he's gonna fucking got some movie idea.

Speaker 1:
[207:28] That's cool.

Speaker 2:
[207:29] Dude, one of my buddies has such a killer movie idea. I fucking hope that he's a filmmaker. I just hope he's able to pull it off because it's so fucking good. Nice fucking slash horror flick, dude. Could be so fucking good. Like Blair, it could be Blair Witch style, just small budget, just fucking. Oh, man.

Speaker 1:
[207:53] Yeah, if I could figure out how to get my boy Sax, Saxon, he used to do what he's doing here, run the cameras and help me out in the shop and stuff. But he moved to Salt Lake. But since he's moved to Salt Lake, he's become a really fucking super dialed videographer, creating stuff, making a lot of... It'd be so sick to be able to go on like a bike trip or something and have him like document it from that perspective instead of having to hold a GoPro up and film like that. And with the complete sole purpose of capturing those, you know, 21 days around the sky kind of landscapes and lighting situations and shit like that. I mean, that 21 days was... I mean, watching that was the only reason I went to that, you know, Chopper Supply. Because I found that... I saw that that existed. The same way that the Showclass magazine showed you that that existed, that movie showed me that it existed. And then I used the internet to find out how close it was to home. And then it was Chopper Supply over there.

Speaker 2:
[208:56] I need to go back and watch that at some point.

Speaker 1:
[208:59] That's good, man. And then after you meet all the dudes finally and you hear all the stories from...

Speaker 2:
[209:04] Who all was in it?

Speaker 1:
[209:07] Curpius, Troy... I forget how to say his last name. Gentry and then 3G Nut. What's his name?

Speaker 2:
[209:16] Grossman.

Speaker 1:
[209:17] Grossman. Those are the four main ones. And then it's crazy is like when Todd was doing his book, he was on the road at the same time they were on the road. And he had intentions of me... They were both at Brooklyn Invitational and Larry Block Party at the same time. But supposedly they were gonna cross paths at one point. So I don't know, it was sick. And then for me, like that shit opened up all these rabbit holes of like going back and finding all these old blogs that were still out there from this culture. And that shit's bad ass, you know? And I really wish I could have been in it then. You know what I mean? It seemed like it was just so much going on and it was organically finding each other through different channels and just following each other on Instagram, you know?

Speaker 2:
[210:08] Yeah, you had to like, you had to put something out there. You know, you had to commit, you had to like showcase whatever you had going on. There's a little bit more effort involved.

Speaker 1:
[210:19] Yeah, you had, well, you would find the guys that were into this shit in your town, like, and then you would start like a co-op shop or co-op place to get like, like Brave Town or the chun up there, whatever the case may be. And then that would turn into, well, this dude's the welder, this dude's the mechanic, this dude does photos, this dude does, you know what I mean? This guy's got the band and they just had all this shit. And then next thing you know, they have a blog and now they find the other blogs. And now it's like, you know, it just seemed, I can't say it felt cause I wasn't there to fill it, but it seemed as if it was a very, very unique point in time.

Speaker 2:
[210:58] I think we saw like the climax of that at the early giddy ups, when they would all show up there to see who could out party each other.

Speaker 1:
[211:06] Yeah, yeah. Missed that shit, man. But not to just say like, oh, those were the days because today is the day too for whatever we're doing. So it's like, I want to take inspiration from all these things that these other men and women did and figure out how to like, you know, same way I did my chopper. Like, OK, I love a lot of the things that people had already figured out before me, but I want to figure out how to make this feel like mine. So how do we take culture, not take it, but how do we steal it, take advantage of it and pillage it?

Speaker 2:
[211:40] No, how do you never have to take credit for all of it?

Speaker 1:
[211:42] How do you build upon it? You know?

Speaker 2:
[211:46] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[211:48] I make it a point, everything I do to pay credit, pay homage to the people that inspire me for whatever it is. When I did that gold bike, there's not a time that I take credit for that bike publicly on a podcast, on a video or whatever, and I don't say Corey's name. And usually, I'll also say that the two bikes that inspire me to build that bike, they're these two individuals. They have nothing to do with that bike other than they were an inspiration. But the point is, is always like paying homage to where that shit comes from. I pay homage to you all the time throughout my podcast, over the years for you helping me start mine. You know what I mean? So I think that we can always kind of grow. But to your point, you should always be giving credit to the people that did it for you, or the people that helped you.

Speaker 2:
[212:37] Yeah, if you're aware of it. I think there's a lot of times where you take stuff in and you're not even aware that it affected you. You know, and it's in there. You saw it. You saw it done this way. But you didn't realize how much it affected you at that time until you get to the point where you need to recreate something in that vein, and then it comes to you. You know, like, I mean, I'm sure my chopper was inspired by more than David Mann paintings, but that's the only person I could think to like... Really, it was also like the shit that was all I had, or, you know, like it was limited resources as well. But, you know, I'm sure that other things were built the same way because of limited resources.

Speaker 1:
[213:16] Yeah, I think that's still...

Speaker 2:
[213:17] But I guess what I'm saying is like, you don't always know what affects you in the moment. It's like when you talk to a musician in their heyday, they're like, fuck, I don't know what that song's about, dude. You know, like, I was going through, you know, people don't even realize this shit as it's coming out of them because they're like, they're so just fucking, you know, in the, you know, in that thing, dude, you know, and it's just coming through them, but it's coming from someplace else.

Speaker 1:
[213:46] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[213:46] You know, I don't think everybody's aware of it. And you can like, you know, even people may think that it's their own style or that they created it when they didn't, you know, I don't think that's like, I don't think that that's like, disrespectful to some degree. You know, it can be if it, you know, if it persists to some degree, but.

Speaker 1:
[214:10] Yeah, I don't think it's disrespectful either at all. I mean, I feel like it's just literally, you know, if you ever, most musicians liked other bands and their style is built up of all the things they like. Most artists, same thing, you know, I like this, this, isn't this. Whatever you do, you build bikes, you do this, you do that. You're kind of a collection of all your inspirations, right? That's your unique version of it. But there is a little bit of pepper and salt and all these other things that make this flavor.

Speaker 2:
[214:43] I guess what I'm saying is some people, unlike you, right? Where they have inspiration, but they don't acknowledge it because then it would affect what they're doing. Where you can acknowledge it and say, I'm doing this because of that. Where some people are like, they may not have done it that way if they'd have realized that they got that idea from this person or that person.

Speaker 1:
[215:03] Okay. So it's just subconsciously they're being inspired by things that are not drawing the connections between the two.

Speaker 2:
[215:09] Correct.

Speaker 1:
[215:10] Yeah. For sure, there's that. I mean, I think that there's definitely things that slip through the cracks of me, that's something I might have been inspired by, that I saw at some point that I then did. But it's also like, I think what I hear a lot going on is people that like won't, that aren't doing anything in their bikes other than buying it, but want to be builders or whatever the case may be. And every time they get a chance to be on some kind of podcast or public or video or whatever, they're like, yeah, I built this. And then, you know, you hear these horror stories about dudes that like did all the work or did all this and got no credit for it kind of shit, which I can sympathize with because in my early days in this industry, like I did a lot of shit, a lot of covered magazine bikes that I have no mention of my name in it, you know what I mean? And at the time that was like nowadays, I mean, you get your bike in a magazine now, it's cool. But back then, that was our way of like growing past our local market, you know what I mean? So it was a much bigger deal that if your bike or you got a bike in a magazine that your name is standing behind the thing you did, you know?

Speaker 2:
[216:19] Well, I mean, I know a bunch of builders and they don't know how to frame a house.

Speaker 1:
[216:25] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[216:26] You know? And they never have framed a house. They don't need to. They're still home builders, you know? They don't do any plumbing, but they're able to do everything it takes to bring all that shit together, you know? And to act like that you're not a builder because you didn't fucking chop your frame and weld it, or you didn't paint it, or you didn't align the rear wheel and build the spacers. You know, that doesn't mean you're not a builder. And I do, I do, I don't agree with the fact that you can't, like people get upset when somebody takes credit for something when they didn't do it all. This guy built those wheels. This guy's the one that actually chopped his frame. Yeah, but he, this guy over here had the initiative and want to and the desire and figured out whatever it took to get him to do that. Now the guy's bitter later on because he didn't go, hey, if this ever gets in a magazine, you better say, hey, I fucking did this. Yeah, it's kind of fucking lazy. You know, like, I can see how you might feel that way when somebody ends up getting some benefit or some kind of recognition that you feel like you should get. But you know, there's a lot of other things that go into that recognition, you know? The guy put together the photo shooter, you know, met the right guy, said the right thing, shook the right hand, bought the right guy a shot, you know, flirted with the right. There's a lot of other things. I think all of those things are part of being credited for building the bike, you know, and then those things can be used. You know, I guess where it gets to be bummer is when somebody gets that recognition and then doesn't do something positive with it afterwards. But, you know, I mean, you know, born free invited builders, any invited builder, you know, like, who gives a fuck if they did every bit of work themselves, you know, and the final product, you know, looks rad and works.

Speaker 1:
[218:15] I think I think we're talking we're saying the same thing because my model is always about it takes a village to build a motorcycle. You know, as much as I am trying to do more and more myself, I still have to rely on people. Right. And I think everybody's that way. But I think what I'm talking about more so is just like the there is, you know, the bike that I'm doing downstairs, the customer is literally the conductor, if you will, of what we're doing, because it's his ideas funneled through me into that project. Right. So he's just as much as part of the build, like you're saying. But I think that like.

Speaker 2:
[218:53] And if it becomes a successful build, right?

Speaker 1:
[218:56] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[218:56] He gets credit for picking you.

Speaker 1:
[218:58] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2:
[218:59] You know, like this, should he have to say, Jace, did all this work for me in the magazine?

Speaker 1:
[219:03] But if it gets in a magazine and he says, I might want that, but should he have to?

Speaker 2:
[219:07] I don't know. He could have picked anybody to do that. Would he have gotten the product? Maybe not. But he's the one that decided you were the one capable of doing it.

Speaker 1:
[219:14] I think back in the day, I think this was like a. It was just an unspoken, like, yes, that's, that's my guy. We always wanted to see everybody grow. Like, why would you want to take credit for something that you physically didn't do? When you look at a magazine.

Speaker 2:
[219:28] But he did do it. If he's having you do it, he's giving, he's providing the money.

Speaker 1:
[219:32] Yeah, but when you see the line that says, like, so does he say it's a, it's a so and so name motor instead of an SNS motor? You know what I mean? Like, what is the motor? What is the builder? Who painted it? What is the front end on this?

Speaker 2:
[219:45] Well, when they start asking questions like that, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[219:48] Those are the things that are in the build sheet at the end of it, right?

Speaker 2:
[219:50] Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[219:51] You haven't seen a magazine? I'm not saying that the owner doesn't get credit and shouldn't be... I mean, they are the most valuable asset of this process because they're the one creating the opportunity, right? But there has to be this aspect of, like...

Speaker 2:
[220:10] Well, I think the market will correct that, because when somebody comes at him to do something like that and now he can't use you because he didn't give you credit in the magazine, well, he's not going to have the longevity. The market will fix itself. It will end up giving credit, except for the nice guy doesn't win.

Speaker 1:
[220:29] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[220:30] So, and if he finds somebody else to do the same work and create the same product that has the same caliber or standard that he asked out of you, and he gets somebody else to do it, well, I mean, then he did do it again.

Speaker 1:
[220:48] You know, when I look at like the top builders that in my in on my Mount Rush, more of like people that I am inspired by, I see them and I've gotten to meet all of them. The way they build bikes is like someone's coming to them for their style, their thing that you can't really get that power plant style from cut rate, and you can't really get the cut rate style from power plant. But they have two unique things that like they're going to do. They're way or a hawk bike or something like that or even a Long Brothers bike. You know what I'm saying? Like everybody has a unique style. Fucking Al Emerson, one of my favorite builders, right? So in a way that, yes, a customer is kind of picking the genre of style that they want and finding the person that fits that the best. Their vision is based on things that already exist, and if they didn't make the things that exist, then they are literally picking from a world of...

Speaker 2:
[221:48] Yeah, but if they get somebody to do something, like if they, if he gets you to do something you wouldn't normally do...

Speaker 1:
[221:54] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[221:55] You know, then...

Speaker 1:
[221:55] Yeah, it becomes unique.

Speaker 2:
[221:56] Yeah. Well, what I'm saying is your style doesn't show through.

Speaker 1:
[221:59] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[222:00] And if you are as good as Emerson or Yanniv or Oliver, then it doesn't matter who asks you to do it. It doesn't matter if your name gets mentioned in the magazine.

Speaker 1:
[222:10] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[222:10] We can see that that person did that. Which once again is just like, you know, the credits there may not be easy to see.

Speaker 1:
[222:21] No, I agree.

Speaker 2:
[222:21] But it will shine through in the end. Yeah, those guys are all fucking legendary and have their own style. You know, which... And I'm not trying to pick on you or anything, but I saw those bikes out in California. I don't have the eye for these things. I'm like, oh, they got fucking bass boat paint jobs. Jace could have painted these. You know, like, these are performance baggers. They got painted fucking Simpson helmets that match their bikes. Fuck, Jace must have done this, you know? I'm not good enough to pick out the nuances, you know? And I'm sure you're not the only one painting bass boat baggers all over the country.

Speaker 1:
[222:58] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[223:00] So I don't see that.

Speaker 1:
[223:02] No, I understand. Yeah, I understand.

Speaker 2:
[223:04] But Oliver's bikes. Man, I can see that, dude.

Speaker 1:
[223:09] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[223:10] This shit's bad as fuck.

Speaker 1:
[223:12] I love them all, man. They do cool shit. And, you know, Oliver always, like his old, like his Doberman bikes that he did back in the day. And he's just got a unique look that I could have never, ever created that, you know what I mean? Now that it exists, like I could create something like that.

Speaker 2:
[223:34] Well, we didn't grow up the same way as he did, you know?

Speaker 1:
[223:36] Yeah, yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2:
[223:37] He's got a unique story, and unique perspective, and, you know, and a creative way of expressing it. That comes out in a lot of different ways.

Speaker 1:
[223:47] Do you find it like doing this podcast over these years, like, do you, when you meet people and you get maybe inspired by them, do you find it hard not to like want to go down all these different rabbit holes in life and try something that maybe you heard about on the podcast?

Speaker 2:
[224:02] I go down rabbit holes. Yeah, that's fucking, that's that curiosity. Yeah, it gets piqued by error. It's what drives me to want to talk to people I do want to talk to, you know, because I'm curious about something. You know, I fucking got an adventure bike and that was because I, you know, I talked to somebody with an adventure bike and rode an adventure bike. And I fucking love that shit. You know, no, it absolutely does it. But I would say more than that, it's like, you know, being able to talk to so many people and like, even when I'm not curious about it, you know, but still knowing that they have something that's that is valuable to share. And I don't mean valuable in a monetary way, but like, you know, there is something I can learn from this person, even though, you know, they are painting baggers bright colors, you know, like, I know there's still something here, you know, in being able to be open to that, you know, and see that instead of my narrow minded is, well, fuck, dude, I guess we're not going to talk about how to get across the border in Mexico right now. You don't have any experience doing that. And, you know, when's the last time you went through Nuevo? I want to talk to somebody that went through Nuevo Laredo last week, you know?

Speaker 1:
[225:13] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[225:13] I want to know how that is right now, you know, but to look beyond that and see, you know, see things from a broader perspective. You know, and go and do the podcast with the mission while also being open to see where it goes and see what the person wants to talk about and expand upon whatever that may be.

Speaker 1:
[225:36] I dig it.

Speaker 2:
[225:37] While I'm still like, I just want to go to Mexico. I want to go get some, right now, I don't have a good cowboy hat.

Speaker 1:
[225:43] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[225:45] And, dude, I just can't bring myself to buy one in America because they're so much better and so much cheaper across the border. You know, to buy the hat I want here in America, it's like fucking $800 to $1,200. Right in a place outside Monterrey, I can get it for a hundred bucks.

Speaker 1:
[226:00] I damn.

Speaker 2:
[226:01] And it's awesome to go there.

Speaker 1:
[226:03] How are you going to get home?

Speaker 2:
[226:05] Wear it.

Speaker 1:
[226:06] Wear it.

Speaker 2:
[226:06] Fucking strap it on the bike, dude. Same way I got my last one home. Strap it to the back seat.

Speaker 3:
[226:11] I mean, look at Nick. He has that big ass hat and the feather.

Speaker 2:
[226:16] Oh, yeah. He goes through those motherfuckers like one or two a year, dude. He just got a new one recently. I don't know if you've seen it yet, but it's not quite as decorative. Doesn't look as dirty. I meant to ask him that when I seen him the other night.

Speaker 1:
[226:27] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[226:27] Like, when did you get this? This is a new one. This is a new one. We'll ask him this weekend.

Speaker 1:
[226:33] I need to have him on again. We haven't talked in a while on the podcast.

Speaker 2:
[226:36] He's full of such good stories.

Speaker 1:
[226:38] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[226:40] He's going camping at the LBJ Grasslands this weekend, which is like about 20, 30 miles north of Decatur.

Speaker 1:
[226:47] Yeah. That's where the Denton dudes invited me to go camp there, but it was like I had some shit going on. I couldn't go, but yeah, it sounds cool as hell.

Speaker 2:
[226:57] The LBJ, I've only been up there to shoot shit, but I don't think I've ever camped there. Well, no, no. I don't camp that close to my house unless I'm going to my fish camp.

Speaker 1:
[227:09] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[227:09] You know, I can fucking just ride home from LBJ. It's just right there. I'm just going to ride up Saturday morning.

Speaker 1:
[227:17] We got all the, yeah, the...

Speaker 2:
[227:20] Am I making you tired, Jace?

Speaker 1:
[227:22] No, I do not.

Speaker 2:
[227:23] Getting yawning? What time is it?

Speaker 1:
[227:25] I stayed up late last night. I was working. I was editing photos till like 1 in the morning.

Speaker 2:
[227:29] Dude, where are we going to see your photos?

Speaker 1:
[227:32] Fuck if I know. Harley owns them all.

Speaker 2:
[227:34] You just submitted them all? Sent them over an email?

Speaker 1:
[227:36] Well, Taylor messaged me and said, hey, just wanted to check in because I have to write a blog about tomorrow too.

Speaker 2:
[227:42] Sick.

Speaker 1:
[227:43] So I'm like kind of stressed about it because like the whole weekend, I thought about what I wanted to say. And then last night, I jumped on Harley's website where all the blogs are read. Some of the chicken ricks. And I'm like, God damn it. All this stuff is just like, it feels like just this is what they ask for. This is what they get instead of like truly like trying to say, don't worry about what they have.

Speaker 2:
[228:12] Worry about what you got to give them. And the best way you can do it. And then when they water it down, then you can be like, well, I gave them the good stuff. Yeah. And they turned it into this.

Speaker 1:
[228:22] Yeah. I have to have that delivered by tomorrow.

Speaker 2:
[228:25] I got to write another article for Chauvers magazine.

Speaker 1:
[228:29] I've been, me and Carrie have been around each other so much. And we've talked about doing a podcast. And it's kind of like the David Brown thing where I wanted him to get to know me and open up to me a little more before we sit down and do one. But very interested to do that. That documentary they did on him, the Origins thing was was pretty dope watching that whole thing, you know.

Speaker 2:
[228:49] Yeah. That guy's a pretty good storyteller, isn't he?

Speaker 1:
[228:51] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[228:52] Carrie's got a great story. Carrie's just got great people around him. He's a family man.

Speaker 1:
[228:58] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[228:59] I enjoy the time I get to spend with him.

Speaker 1:
[229:01] Yeah. And until I watched that Origins, I didn't know his relationship with, you know, Easy Rider over the past, the magazine stuff. And a lot of the things that I've always said like, man, if I do a magazine, it's kind of the same shit he said that he wanted to do whenever he took over Choppers magazine. So I'm interested in it, man. Like I...

Speaker 2:
[229:23] He's fucking lets me do whatever I want now.

Speaker 1:
[229:25] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[229:26] I'm like, dude, I, you know, there's, I'm riding a street glide. He's like, I don't give a fuck. You know, I'm like, well, in this, I'm only fucking riding new adventure bikes. He's like, I don't give a fuck. You can do whatever you want in the Choppers magazine. I'm like, dude, I don't know if I can go. You know, I think he wanted me to do one on DMT, Dangerous Motorcycle Tours. And I'm like, there's not a fucking chopper anywhere, dude. It's all suspension, fucking fuel injected adventure bikes. It's like, whatever. Well, I think the one, I think the one that just came out is the Trans Am that I did in September on the 21. And then the one that's fixing to come out is the PCH to Ventura for Chopper Fest. And I think he's already asking for another one.

Speaker 1:
[230:12] That's awesome.

Speaker 2:
[230:14] I want to do one on that fucking B&B trip to Metaree for the Christmas party. It's show that fucking motorcycle we blew up. It was like, what a fucking Christmas story in August or some shit or June or July whenever. I guess, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, who knows.

Speaker 1:
[230:33] I dig it, man.

Speaker 2:
[230:34] OK, let's wrap this thing up. I got shit to do. The rain's not raining. Jace, thanks for having me out. Thanks for reminding me. I've been doing this for almost 10 years. Yeah. And I'm glad you fucking taking the torch and you know, you like got all the cameras and lights and shit. You got Jamie over here.

Speaker 1:
[230:48] If you ever need to use it, you bring over here.

Speaker 2:
[230:50] No, it's two hours, two hours too far. Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[230:54] All right. Guys, I hope you enjoyed it. And if you're here, if you're listening to this part, thank you for your service. You guys stuck in there while me and another podcaster just did some podcasting. That's what you just saw or heard at least. And I appreciate you guys listening. Big thanks to Dan for once again, helping me get my podcast started many years ago. And congratulations to him and his 10 years of getting out there, sharing people's stories, living an extraordinary life on motorcycles so that he can share with us on episodes like this one. Yeah, it's pretty surreal sometimes to do all this stuff. But thank you guys for listening. Please don't hesitate to check out our sponsors. They truly do make this stuff possible. Also, our Patreon is a lifeline to this podcast. And if you want to support it, keep it growing, keep it on the road, keep it alive. You know, $5 a month, less than what you pay for, I don't know, a Red Bull a day or so, you know, less than a beer will help support this show and keep guys like Danger Dan and many others able to come on and share their stories and experiences. So thank you guys for listening. We're going to catch you on the next one. Peace.