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Speaker 1:
[00:00] What's up, guys? Welcome back to The Downbeat Podcast. My guests on the podcast this week are Chris and Andrew of The Ghost Inside. In 2015, The Ghost Inside suffered a horrific bus crash that killed two people and left Andrew without a leg. He's the drummer, by the way. This podcast has thrills. It has no chills. It's not scary. We talk about horror, there's chills. Spills sounds bad when talking about a bus crash. I'm going to leave that in, but I will just restart it. But with this still in it, this podcast is a side splitter, but it's also a tearjerker. We obviously talk about the crash, the physical and mental impact of the crash. But we have a lot of laughs with it being about 11 years since the crash. I think the boys can look at it from a different angle. I caught up with Andrew before, but we really dug deep today. We talked about how on earth he plays the drums without a leg. Spoiler, it's basically thanks to his dad that the band is still together. It is really a story of defiance. One of my favorite podcast episodes ever. Before we get started, I want to let you know we have a Patreon. It sounds really bad to ask for money when talking about a bus crash, but I got to pay for these cameras. www.patreon.com/thedownbeat. You get early access to merch. You get ad free episodes. You get discount on anything I do, basically anything I do. You're going to get it early. You're going to get a bit cheaper. patreon.com/thedownbeat. Making these real quick because it does sound kind of bad trying to sell things from a bus crash. Clothes, I make them. www.thedownbe.at, so that's by The Downbeat. Go check it out, please. This one I have to do. This episode of the podcast is brought to you today by the wonderful people at Neural DSP. Whether you're demoing, whether you're recording in the studio or you're just jamming at home, Neural DSP is gonna help you get the best possible tones from your guitar or bass. They've got some of the world's greatest guitar players to put their tones inside your computer. We got Gojira, we got Misha Mansour, we got Tosin Abassi, we got Pliny, Jacob Umanski on the bass. This sounds like a massive super group. Dark Glass on the bass. This super group has two bassists. It doesn't matter if you're just demoing or you're gonna use it on the final product. It's gonna sound like a real guitar. It's gonna sound great. They've done the hard work for you. All you gotta do is play. Listeners of The Downbeat Podcast can get a whopping 30% off any Neural DSP plugin by going to neuraldsp.com and using the code DOWNBEAT. Check it out. It's The Ghost Inside on The Downbeat Podcast. You have a special monster.

Speaker 2:
[02:50] Yeah, what is this about?

Speaker 1:
[02:52] I don't know, but in the monster collector community, they're quite a hot commodity.

Speaker 2:
[02:56] Now, I'm gonna need to explain why. Do you know what the collector community for monster?

Speaker 3:
[02:59] I don't think you should open it.

Speaker 1:
[03:00] Oh, you gotta open it, but maybe we'll save the can. There's a guy that I follow on Instagram called Belgian Monster Collector, and this guy is weapons-grade, but he loves monster, and he collects them, and he gets super excited when there's a white top. So you've got a white top. What we're gonna do, I don't know if I'm allowed to do this in the contract, but we're gonna do it anyway. We're gonna have a lovely shot of Aaron Gillespie gave me this.

Speaker 3:
[03:29] Oh, that looks amazing.

Speaker 1:
[03:30] Apparently, he is the best bourbon in the world.

Speaker 2:
[03:34] He's serious about his bourbon.

Speaker 3:
[03:36] Dude, that looks...

Speaker 1:
[03:38] Blanton's.

Speaker 2:
[03:39] Never heard of it in my life.

Speaker 1:
[03:40] For those of you just listening.

Speaker 3:
[03:41] I'll have a shot of Blanton's.

Speaker 1:
[03:44] Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2:
[03:45] Well, that didn't take long.

Speaker 1:
[03:47] Anyway, Andrew, Chris, welcome to The Downbeat.

Speaker 2:
[03:50] Thanks for having us.

Speaker 1:
[03:51] Thank you for having us. Can you drop that accent again, please?

Speaker 3:
[03:53] Yeah, have a shot of Blanton.

Speaker 2:
[03:58] It's so good. Is this the first time you've heard it?

Speaker 1:
[04:01] Yeah, I mean, maybe, but we've definitely been...

Speaker 3:
[04:04] There's variations of it, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[04:05] What I'm going to do, I'm going to pour that, I'm just going to pass it over. I bet you Aaron will be absolutely furious that we're doing a massive shot of this. I think it was like 300 bucks.

Speaker 2:
[04:17] Aaron has spent a lot of time with us. He knows that...

Speaker 3:
[04:19] I think he'll be proud. Yeah, I think he'll be proud.

Speaker 1:
[04:21] Well, with compliments of Aaron Gillespie. Thank you, Aaron.

Speaker 3:
[04:24] Thank you, Aaron.

Speaker 1:
[04:25] It goes back in its mythical satchel.

Speaker 3:
[04:28] I love it.

Speaker 1:
[04:30] It feels like a potion.

Speaker 2:
[04:31] Yeah, it does.

Speaker 3:
[04:32] It's a potion. You found that in Elden Ring.

Speaker 1:
[04:34] Mysterious potion goes back on the shelf.

Speaker 2:
[04:37] I love it.

Speaker 1:
[04:37] Chase it with a little White Monster. That's we've got to name it. There's a there's a three hundred dollar shot of whiskey that tastes with White Monster. What's the what's the name?

Speaker 2:
[04:50] Paper Cup.

Speaker 1:
[04:53] A paper cup.

Speaker 2:
[04:54] Easy.

Speaker 1:
[04:55] Cheers, boys. Thanks for coming.

Speaker 2:
[04:57] Thanks for having us.

Speaker 1:
[05:03] Oh no, it's really good. Delightful.

Speaker 3:
[05:06] That's awesome.

Speaker 2:
[05:07] Delicious, and also, white monster, delicious.

Speaker 3:
[05:10] Perfect chaser.

Speaker 1:
[05:11] I'm kind of jealous of your white top though, but I feel like mine doesn't taste as good because the top's a different color.

Speaker 2:
[05:15] Yeah, I think the flavor's all in the top.

Speaker 3:
[05:16] Yeah, you got the...

Speaker 2:
[05:17] I'm being honest here.

Speaker 3:
[05:17] You got the rare.

Speaker 2:
[05:19] I'll take it.

Speaker 1:
[05:20] You got the rare shit. Boom. Guys, thanks for coming on The Downbeat.

Speaker 3:
[05:23] Thanks for having us.

Speaker 2:
[05:24] Dude, we're happy to be here.

Speaker 3:
[05:24] Long time coming, I feel like.

Speaker 1:
[05:26] I know, like, you've been on the audio one.

Speaker 3:
[05:28] Yep, way back.

Speaker 1:
[05:30] If you listen to the audio one, I'm gonna rehash loads of that, so just, you know.

Speaker 3:
[05:34] Oh yeah, we'll just dive back in.

Speaker 1:
[05:35] Pretend you haven't done that.

Speaker 2:
[05:37] A lot of time has passed, too, to be fair.

Speaker 3:
[05:39] Yeah, it's been a minute.

Speaker 1:
[05:40] And you're new to the podcast. Not new to podcasting.

Speaker 2:
[05:43] No, no, not really.

Speaker 1:
[05:46] Late for loading?

Speaker 2:
[05:47] That's the one.

Speaker 1:
[05:48] That's the one, how's it going?

Speaker 2:
[05:49] Good, good, it's fun. I mean, I've thought about doing it because I, like everybody else in a band, streamed over the pandemic. So at some point during that, I started having just like guests on and having chats with random other band dudes who were sitting home doing nothing. And I was like, I should turn this into a podcast. And then my buddy who manages bands that I've been friends with since I was 10 years old, was like, we should do one together. I was like, well, fuck it, why not? And we started last year, it's been awesome. It's a lot of fucking work and it's stressful, but it's awesome.

Speaker 1:
[06:21] It sucks.

Speaker 2:
[06:22] Yeah, I mean, I love it.

Speaker 1:
[06:24] I love it, but the work sucks. People think it's like the easiest thing, like just fucking hanging out, the set up and all the bullshit.

Speaker 2:
[06:30] Especially when you got a rig like this.

Speaker 3:
[06:31] This level, yeah, this has got to be a very involved thing.

Speaker 1:
[06:34] Do you know what, though? The reason I built this rig was because I hated doing it, like how you do it.

Speaker 2:
[06:40] Yep, it sucks.

Speaker 1:
[06:41] One thing about your podcast I've noticed, like maybe eight times out of ten, the other person has a good camera.

Speaker 2:
[06:48] And I don't know why that is. Like you're lucky now. Yeah, it's luck. What I do, what I have had to get really good at, though, is fixing like air pod audio or like laptop audio. Like I've had to find all of the like AI restoration tools and shit to fix that. But we've lucked out a lot with cameras somehow.

Speaker 1:
[07:08] It looks great. And that I would take this and the setup involved in this more than I would take all of the stuff you have to do when you're like prepping someone for the files and all that stuff and then putting it all together and making sure it's all in sync.

Speaker 2:
[07:21] What I think helps too is the Riverside probably didn't exist if you were doing it audio only. So that's like, it's like Zoom, but it's a website where their video and audio is uploading in real time. It's like the full resolution video, full resolution audio, and you download it all and it's already synced. You just have to edit it after that. So that helps too.

Speaker 1:
[07:40] Oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[07:41] But I would still much rather be doing it. There's like, you miss some sort of dynamic when you can't look at the person directly and like be in the same space.

Speaker 1:
[07:49] Can't have a paper cup.

Speaker 2:
[07:50] Can't have a paper cup. What do you do without a paper cup?

Speaker 3:
[07:52] You gotta get a paper cup.

Speaker 1:
[07:53] dude.

Speaker 2:
[07:54] That's it.

Speaker 1:
[07:54] Can I ask you about the pronunciation of the drink that we've just made, right? Because in my head, like say it how you said it, like you named it. What's the name of the drink?

Speaker 3:
[08:04] Paper cup.

Speaker 1:
[08:05] Okay. In my head, how we sort of take this away from the brand being a paper cup, is we say paper cup.

Speaker 2:
[08:16] The inflection.

Speaker 1:
[08:17] The inflection is like paper cut. It's a sweet pun. You don't seem to convince you. You're on board.

Speaker 2:
[08:26] I think I'm in.

Speaker 3:
[08:27] You know, I'm just going to agree.

Speaker 1:
[08:29] He doesn't like it. He doesn't like it.

Speaker 3:
[08:31] I'm down. I'm down for whatever.

Speaker 2:
[08:32] He feels like you're attacking his idea now.

Speaker 3:
[08:33] Nope. That's not about the idea.

Speaker 1:
[08:35] It's his idea brought to a master brander, right? We're at the table. We're doing a business meeting.

Speaker 3:
[08:43] Paper cut.

Speaker 1:
[08:44] Paper cut. Oh, cut. No, not even. Paper cut. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[08:50] It's an expensive shot in an inexpensive...

Speaker 1:
[08:54] Yet still lovely, delicious chaser.

Speaker 3:
[08:58] That was the best.

Speaker 1:
[08:59] Delicious chaser. What are you doing in Nashville?

Speaker 2:
[09:01] Writing.

Speaker 1:
[09:02] You're allowed to say that. We should have talked about what you're not allowed to say.

Speaker 2:
[09:04] I don't care.

Speaker 3:
[09:05] Yeah. I came here first because I was doing some stuff with Pearl. They're here in Nashville. So I figured while we're here, let's see if we can get some sessions in.

Speaker 1:
[09:14] I think they might be like down the street.

Speaker 3:
[09:18] I think it is too. Yeah. Metroplex.

Speaker 1:
[09:20] Mine always like down the street.

Speaker 2:
[09:22] They're in Nashville.

Speaker 3:
[09:23] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[09:23] Mine was in Nashville.

Speaker 2:
[09:24] Interesting.

Speaker 1:
[09:25] It's a franchise.

Speaker 3:
[09:26] Yeah. You're with Zildjian now, right?

Speaker 1:
[09:27] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[09:28] Man, of course you are. Cause I use your ride. I'm obsessed with my favorite new symbol. It's my favorite new symbol.

Speaker 1:
[09:35] Thank you. Isn't it the best?

Speaker 2:
[09:37] It rules.

Speaker 3:
[09:37] It's what everyone in our world, especially has been wanting.

Speaker 1:
[09:40] Why the fuck didn't anyone make it?

Speaker 3:
[09:42] I don't know, but you.

Speaker 1:
[09:43] They let me make it.

Speaker 3:
[09:44] You got it, baby.

Speaker 1:
[09:45] They could have had anyone make that. They could have had Travis Barker make that.

Speaker 2:
[09:48] True. Because he crashes his ride a lot.

Speaker 1:
[09:51] Travis Barker uses my ride in the studio, doesn't use it live.

Speaker 2:
[09:55] But that's still fucking crazy.

Speaker 1:
[09:57] I mean, it's fucking the best thing ever. But he has that cool, sweet ride that says Zildjian really big. So he uses those live for the flex. It looks cool, but mine sounds cooler.

Speaker 2:
[10:06] It does.

Speaker 3:
[10:06] A ride you can crash on that has a good ride bell, and you figured it out.

Speaker 1:
[10:11] I didn't.

Speaker 3:
[10:13] You say you did, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[10:14] I mean, me and Zildjian figured it out. Yeah, there was 21 prototypes. This is not okay. You know what, though? Number three was the one. No, they got to three, and they were asking me to rank. Because I just said to them, I don't care about the bow of the symbol, the middle bit.

Speaker 2:
[10:30] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[10:31] Don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2:
[10:31] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[10:32] Bell, crash.

Speaker 3:
[10:33] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[10:33] Don't care.

Speaker 3:
[10:34] Same.

Speaker 1:
[10:35] So they were like, okay, we're going to make three, rank the bell and the crash. And number three was 10 out of 10 bell. And I was like, that's a nine out of 10 crash. And Joe Peliat Zildjian, who's like a savant of symbols, was affectionate. Was like, oh no, I'll get you a 10 and a 10. And he made whatever, 19 more.

Speaker 2:
[10:59] Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1:
[11:01] He made 19 more. Three was still the best.

Speaker 2:
[11:04] That's wild. So do you just have 21 prototypes sitting in your drum room then?

Speaker 1:
[11:08] They're actually currently on a boat because they were in the UK and they're still not here.

Speaker 2:
[11:14] Oh, wow.

Speaker 1:
[11:14] So they're all coming. I got mad weird ones. We got, we did one with a star hammering, you know, like a 90s Z custom. Sounded good, but they were like, you can't use the star hammering. That's like an iconic thing. We just did that for fun. Okay. Let's cover this pearl thing first.

Speaker 3:
[11:29] They want to do, film some content, partly stuff about the hammer, the device I used to play without a leg.

Speaker 2:
[11:36] You don't have a leg?

Speaker 3:
[11:37] What happened? What's going on there?

Speaker 1:
[11:38] I don't know if Madison knows that.

Speaker 3:
[11:40] Yeah. I have one leg. Yeah. Check this out.

Speaker 1:
[11:44] If you're just listening to the audio, she just made a disgusted face. She did.

Speaker 3:
[11:48] She did. I just made her sick.

Speaker 1:
[11:51] That's a good party trick.

Speaker 3:
[11:53] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[11:54] We like to do this with it.

Speaker 1:
[11:55] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[11:55] If you need a whole new drink.

Speaker 1:
[11:56] That's fantastic.

Speaker 3:
[11:57] Just, I'll sit here for a while. Like this.

Speaker 1:
[12:01] Sweating. Am I up to standards?

Speaker 2:
[12:05] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[12:06] This is great.

Speaker 2:
[12:07] This is accessible.

Speaker 3:
[12:08] I've accessed it.

Speaker 1:
[12:09] There's a little ramp and everything. We didn't use it.

Speaker 3:
[12:11] Yeah. No, I loved all the stairs.

Speaker 1:
[12:14] It was great. They were like level four.

Speaker 3:
[12:17] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[12:18] Anyway, tell me about Pearl. Before we get on to the leg.

Speaker 3:
[12:21] Yeah, to the fucking leg.

Speaker 1:
[12:22] The leg.

Speaker 3:
[12:24] Yeah, so they wanted to film some content about the device that my dad made me to, just with parts in our garage, to play drums again without the prosthetic on. So that's how I play. When I signed with Pearl, they were instantly super excited to dig in on this. Their engineers wanted the challenge to be able to make something and have it be Pearl branded. And man, they freaking knocked it out of the park. It is so insanely sick. So did some content. I did some Ghost Inside playthroughs. I did a interview and they brought my dad with me too, so that they could kind of get the story and stuff. So something will be coming soon with that.

Speaker 1:
[13:07] I'm gonna beat them to the story. I'm gonna beat myself to the story because I was gonna do this later on. But you might as well give me some story right now because we're on topic. We'll cover the bus later.

Speaker 3:
[13:18] Sure, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[13:18] Lost your leg.

Speaker 3:
[13:19] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[13:20] Tell me more about your dad creating something so you could play the drums again.

Speaker 3:
[13:24] I was in a 10 day coma, medically induced in the hospital. And my dad, they flew all our families out. And my dad, he thought of this while I was in a coma about me playing again. After they had to take the leg. He just thought it was going to make more sense to bring the pedal up to me, as how he described it. So he had this idea in his head and he described it to me. And I was like, I'm down to try it, you know. Before that, wanted to see if playing with a prosthetic made sense, if it worked. Had some stuff made and it just didn't for a while. So I kind of hit a pocket a year after the accident, where I was not feeling it and I was like, this is it, that's it, it's over.

Speaker 1:
[14:06] Try it with the prosthetic.

Speaker 3:
[14:07] With the prosthetic, yeah. And I had my drum kit in my parents' basement while I was recovering. And then I think my dad saw that it was starting to get me down, so he just went out in the garage and made his idea that he had thought about initially. And he just brought it down one day and just, he's like, just try this, just see. And I was like, okay. And it instantly, like with, I just play with my residual limb. I instantly, so that all the actions in my hip flexor.

Speaker 1:
[14:30] Can you explain it?

Speaker 3:
[14:31] Yeah. So it's basically, if you're looking down at, you're sitting at your kit, you look at the snare drum, my right pedal is basically at snare drum height, essentially. So my, and I play with my limb with no prosthetic. So the actions in my hip flexor and that's it. There's a bar that connects from that pedal that's at the snare drum height that connects to the kick pedal.

Speaker 1:
[14:55] And your dad just made this.

Speaker 3:
[14:56] He made it with like out of like wood and like aluminum scrap pieces and like a door hinge in a Midwest ad into countertop material as the base. Yeah. It like, it was like a nineties, like countertop. You would see it like a shitty apartment complex or something. And he made it and it instantly was just like, Oh, I have, I can feel like I just have more freedom. I have more movement and I can, you know, there's not something rigid weighing me down. And it just immediately, you saw that. Like night and day from the prosthetic. So that gave me hope. From there, I would jam on it every day. And then I would give him notes. I was like, can you turn the pedal so that it's this way, like ergonomically with the way, you know, my hips when I sit down are pointing out a little bit that way. So we moved it that way. We adjusted tons of things. He, the throne legs were like, I would scoot up pretty close to the base. It would get in the way of the throne legs. So he like shaved those in and like, it looks like a coffin. The shape of it looks like a coffin just to make room for all these little adjustments. There's probably like 15 or 20 iterations of it. And then that eventually turned into, he made one out of like drum, like a DW drum throne. And he had-

Speaker 2:
[16:11] So it can be folded down for us to take it on tour.

Speaker 3:
[16:13] And he explains this, he explained it to Pearl. And I didn't really like even know this part. He put some sort of like compression valve thing from something else inside the tubing of the throne to do. I'm like, how the fuck did you even know to do this?

Speaker 1:
[16:29] So you're cheating.

Speaker 3:
[16:33] So, so you lie.

Speaker 1:
[16:34] So you're lying. So it's all, oh, he put backing tracks in the-

Speaker 3:
[16:39] Well, now I just use AI, so yeah.

Speaker 1:
[16:42] You know, it's so, I mean, we're going to continue on with this, but it's so sick. Like, I mean, it's genuinely, I think I remember when we did the audio version, like I started breaking up when we were talking about it, because it just, comradery with your dad, like my dad would do that for me, which is like a whole part of it, but just the thought of not being able to play the drums again and then, and like really, no offence, you shouldn't be able to play the drums again. That's like a career end up.

Speaker 3:
[17:14] Absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[17:15] And your dad saved our band.

Speaker 1:
[17:17] Coming through like straight away, like we'll just figure this out.

Speaker 2:
[17:21] The band would have been done in November of 2015 if his dad didn't come up with this device, like straight up, it would have never happened.

Speaker 1:
[17:28] Yeah, he could have stuck it on tracks.

Speaker 2:
[17:30] Good, but we wouldn't want to.

Speaker 1:
[17:31] Just the right foot.

Speaker 3:
[17:32] Like I said, AI comes out a few years later. Yeah, it's all good.

Speaker 1:
[17:36] I mean, magically.

Speaker 3:
[17:37] Video wall.

Speaker 1:
[17:38] So Pearl have now made an official version.

Speaker 3:
[17:42] Yeah, so what we want to do is make it available to people who need it.

Speaker 1:
[17:47] Is it not specific to what's left of your leg, like the length?

Speaker 3:
[17:53] Mine is, but we're going to work to figure out how to make it work for whoever we possibly can. So we're just going to, that's the goal anyway. You know, that might be a lot of kind of one of one pieces. That's why it's not just going to be like, you can go buy the hammer at Guitar Center. And I don't think it'll be that, you know, it's going to be whoever needs one, we're going to get you one way or another.

Speaker 2:
[18:18] We actually, it's cool that this is happening because we did a South America run. Was that last year or two years ago?

Speaker 3:
[18:25] 24.

Speaker 2:
[18:26] So two years ago. And we were in, were we in Columbia? Yeah, and there was a amputee fan in the crowd who came up on stage and like talked with Andrew and then they talked to us after the show. His dad, based on the hammer, built him something similar. And it's like, there is, we don't think about it, but there is like a need for a device like this out in the world. It's like going to open a door for a lot of people to be able to play drums where they may feel like they never would have had an opportunity again.

Speaker 3:
[18:55] Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[18:55] And it's just a midwest dad who thought it, dreamed it up because his kid needed it one day.

Speaker 3:
[18:59] Yeah. And in Bogota, he showed me videos and he was a left above the knee. And the picture of the hammer that his dad, they just made it based off of whatever pictures of mine were on Google.

Speaker 1:
[19:14] Just photos.

Speaker 3:
[19:15] Yes. And he was playing, he said it changed his life and it brought him back to drumming. And people reach out to me definitely weekly. And if you're watching, I see and hear all of you. It's hard to get back to everyone at once, but we're working on stuff. So that's the goal is to get it as soon as we can. So be on the lookout.

Speaker 1:
[19:37] Let me ask you an insane question. Go for it. I'm ready.

Speaker 3:
[19:41] Do I need another shot?

Speaker 1:
[19:42] I do.

Speaker 3:
[19:44] To ask this question, I'm going to need a couple.

Speaker 1:
[19:46] Let me ask the question while it's in my HD brain and then we'll have another shot. Okay, so is your dad going to get any kickback from that?

Speaker 3:
[19:53] Well, we haven't gotten that far yet into it. We're just concerned with getting it out and helping who we can for now. So, I mean, all that stuff's down the road or whatever.

Speaker 1:
[20:01] I'm not just thinking about money there, guys. I'm thinking about protecting someone's idea. Sure.

Speaker 3:
[20:07] I mean, I'm not going to say no.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
[21:44] Thanks Aaron Gillespie.

Speaker 1:
[21:46] It was nice. It is very nice.

Speaker 2:
[21:48] It's really, it's very nice.

Speaker 1:
[21:49] It's strong by the way as well. I forgot to do the paper cut.

Speaker 2:
[21:53] Paprika.

Speaker 3:
[21:54] We changed the name.

Speaker 1:
[21:55] You ever seen the movie Paprika?

Speaker 3:
[21:57] Paprika, no.

Speaker 2:
[21:58] I've never heard of it. Uh-oh.

Speaker 1:
[22:00] I'm not talking about fucking anime on here like I always do, but you know the scene in Inception when they're in the corridor of the hotel and it goes around like stolen from Paprika.

Speaker 3:
[22:12] No way.

Speaker 1:
[22:12] No, I mean, yeah. It's really good anyway, besides the fucking point. Besides the fucking point. So you've been at Pearl and then you're writing. Why does everyone come here to write?

Speaker 3:
[22:23] A lot of producers here. There's a lot of, and there's a lot of friends that do it too.

Speaker 1:
[22:27] We were with Cody.

Speaker 2:
[22:28] We were not with Cody.

Speaker 3:
[22:29] We tried. He's real tied up. He's real tied up.

Speaker 1:
[22:33] Yeah, and his swimming pool.

Speaker 3:
[22:35] Nah, nah, nah.

Speaker 2:
[22:36] Wouldn't you be too?

Speaker 1:
[22:37] If you had some people like that?

Speaker 3:
[22:38] Especially, like today was hot. I feel like it got hot today. And then it'll be 30 again, like in two days probably. March on this side of the country, typical.

Speaker 1:
[22:50] Where you guys live in?

Speaker 2:
[22:51] I'm in Maryland.

Speaker 3:
[22:52] I'm in Vegas.

Speaker 2:
[22:53] Everyone else in the band's in Vegas.

Speaker 1:
[22:55] Everyone in the band's in Vegas. You haven't thought about doing it?

Speaker 2:
[22:57] Oh, I've thought about it, but I don't want to move to Vegas with kids.

Speaker 1:
[23:00] Oh, true.

Speaker 2:
[23:00] Come on, man. Otherwise, I would. Absolutely fucking would.

Speaker 3:
[23:03] They got the family, the grandma, grandpa.

Speaker 2:
[23:05] Yeah, we've got built-in, like, child care for them on tour and shit.

Speaker 1:
[23:08] It's like a great excuse to go to Vegas. Sorry, kids and wife. I gotta go to Vegas to record with the band.

Speaker 3:
[23:15] Hurry up and graduate, god damn it. Me and your mother are moving to Vegas.

Speaker 1:
[23:22] You do that to that camera. Hurry up and... No, do the I too.

Speaker 3:
[23:27] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[23:27] You can do whatever you want, bro.

Speaker 3:
[23:29] Yeah. Hurry up and graduate, god damn it, you little vermin. Me and your mother are moving to Vegas. God damn it.

Speaker 1:
[23:38] God damn it. You got the fucking English accent. You got that accent.

Speaker 2:
[23:41] You got that. It's well smart, isn't it?

Speaker 1:
[23:43] Yours is the best one that's ever been in here.

Speaker 3:
[23:47] I'm going to say thanks.

Speaker 1:
[23:48] I'm going to say thanks. The way you just said thanks is like how I say thanks. Look at Madison's just fucking nodding away.

Speaker 2:
[23:55] We have a British LA. You dastard. That, yeah, which is why he does it all the time now.

Speaker 1:
[24:00] What producer did you go to then?

Speaker 2:
[24:03] We've been working with a guy named Jonathan DeLis. He fucking rips. He's a younger dude, but he's like doing a ton, a ton of heavy bands these days. So we came here in January also and did some work with him and a guy named Dave Cowell who's in Memphis. And then since he was coming down for Pearl, we were like, we should just try to get in with DeLis again while we were here.

Speaker 3:
[24:26] Whoever's available basically.

Speaker 1:
[24:28] Is the whole band here?

Speaker 2:
[24:29] No, it's just me and Andrew this time.

Speaker 3:
[24:31] It was really last minute.

Speaker 2:
[24:33] Oh yes, thrown together literally like a couple of days ago.

Speaker 3:
[24:36] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[24:36] Is this the instrumental mind of the band?

Speaker 2:
[24:40] 99% him. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[24:42] 99% you?

Speaker 2:
[24:43] Oh yeah, dude.

Speaker 3:
[24:44] I don't know about 99 these days.

Speaker 2:
[24:46] It's up there.

Speaker 1:
[24:47] That's the lion's share of one or a hundred.

Speaker 2:
[24:52] Yeah, he's that guy. He's just like a...

Speaker 1:
[24:54] Riffs as well.

Speaker 2:
[24:55] Oh yeah.

Speaker 3:
[24:55] Probably.

Speaker 1:
[24:56] Has it always been that way?

Speaker 3:
[24:58] I play guitar more than I play drums for sure.

Speaker 1:
[25:00] I saw you doing the eight-string stuff.

Speaker 3:
[25:04] Yeah, actually when I first started doing that, I was sending you stuff.

Speaker 1:
[25:08] But I thought that was like a post-accident jerk-off.

Speaker 3:
[25:13] A little bit. Yeah, it's called One Decade.

Speaker 1:
[25:16] One Decade. I was going to say One Direction.

Speaker 3:
[25:20] It's called One Direction.

Speaker 1:
[25:21] It's me. It's a couple of months ago.

Speaker 3:
[25:23] It's just hot guys. But One Decade, it was just like, I had a bunch of stuff in my head. I wanted to be creative and not lay in a hospital bed all day. Right. So I did that. It's something I always wanted to do. I was talking about this earlier because, shout out to Misha, I was a big Bulb fan. Like back in the day, I would download the SoundCloud files of Bulb.

Speaker 1:
[25:48] On 7string.org.

Speaker 3:
[25:49] Dude. Yeah. I always wanted to, I was telling myself someday I'm going to do like an instrumental like one man gent project where I do literally everything like this. And that I took that initial first, like within the first few months of downtime to do that. That's what it started as.

Speaker 1:
[26:08] Were you riffing before that?

Speaker 3:
[26:09] Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:
[26:10] So he was in a band called For the Fallen Dreams before The Ghost Inside. And he wrote a majority of that stuff when he was in the band too.

Speaker 1:
[26:15] I knew you were in that band. I didn't know you were the...

Speaker 3:
[26:18] Yeah, I did probably the majority of those first two changes in Relentless.

Speaker 1:
[26:25] Yeah!

Speaker 2:
[26:26] He's a secret ripper.

Speaker 1:
[26:27] Absolute fucking rage.

Speaker 3:
[26:29] I see a lot of... There's been a lot of TikTok resurgence of For the Fallen Dreams coming back. And it's kind of cool to see.

Speaker 1:
[26:37] They're gonna come back?

Speaker 2:
[26:38] I think a lot of that era of heavy music is just coming back into fashion again.

Speaker 3:
[26:42] It's cool to see.

Speaker 2:
[26:42] Which is interesting.

Speaker 1:
[26:44] You know what the one that fucking blows my mind? The two that blow my mind? Acid Bath. Like the sludge resurgence. Acid Bath playing a fucking show. Insane. Crowbars next.

Speaker 3:
[26:57] That's crazy.

Speaker 1:
[26:58] Crowbars at a million monthly listeners.

Speaker 2:
[27:00] Wow. It's wild.

Speaker 1:
[27:02] It's fucking awesome.

Speaker 2:
[27:04] It is genuinely a really good time to just be into heavy music in general. And I feel like people are starting to go back and it could be a pandemic thing. I feel like people got really nostalgic over the pandemic and rediscovered all the old music they listen to. But I feel like it's very much carrying into the heavy scene now. I do think people are going back and starting to appreciate the older bands, like the bands that would have inspired us to do what we do. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1:
[27:29] I've just, the penny's dropped in my head right now. I think I know what it is. OK, so by this point with music, for the most part, everything has been done.

Speaker 2:
[27:41] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[27:41] Like everything's been fucking done.

Speaker 2:
[27:43] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[27:43] And I think maybe kids are, because there's so much out there, they're like hunting for something that's so different from the norm.

Speaker 2:
[27:52] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[27:53] And then something like, I think Crowbar came about, there was a meme. The meme, Simon can put the meme up right now. I'm pretty sure it's just like a really fat dog. And it says, my dog after listening to Crowbar or something like that. And then the meme popped off. And then like that Crowbar song repulsive in its splendid beauty just kept becoming like a trending audio. And it's almost like kids are using old music as what, maybe not our generation. How old are you guys?

Speaker 2:
[28:26] 36, 38.

Speaker 1:
[28:27] We're the same generation. I would say maybe people slightly older than us, what grunge was to them, because grunge was kind of new, but it was like the antithesis of hair metal.

Speaker 2:
[28:37] So, you know what's interesting now that you're saying? So, I have two younger sisters, the youngest one is 13. She just had her birthday party a few days ago, and I went with my wife and kids. And her entire playlist that she had for her DJ that was at like dance theme party she had, all of it was like pop punk and pop songs from when I was in middle and high school. I'm like, how the fuck do these kids even know this shit? But it's the TikToks and all the mean shit.

Speaker 3:
[29:04] I truly think our age as parents are showing their children their favorite band. So one that I think we all know is Deftones. Look at the resurgence.

Speaker 1:
[29:16] Sexy resurgence.

Speaker 3:
[29:18] And I went and saw them, when were we? 2020?

Speaker 2:
[29:23] March of last year.

Speaker 3:
[29:24] So a year ago, we were in LA writing, and Deftones played the forum. So we went. And it was like a lot of young kids and their parents. And I think that the young kids that have TikTok and it's big with social media, like it helped, I think Chino talked about it in a podcast or something. He said that it's definitely helped like just reignite them. I think maybe like too with like, even like Papa Roach, like they're so good at social media. They are, Jacoby is so good at it, like the social media game. We're not, we need to get better at it.

Speaker 2:
[29:59] We're so bad at it. I hate social media.

Speaker 1:
[30:01] I'm kind of bad at it. I hate social media so much. I don't know, we're trying to like post three times a day, the hook and all this shit. And I'm like, I don't fucking know. I'll raise you on the deftones point. We went to see deftones, probably the same tour, Ian Madison, whatever the arena tour was last year. Last year, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[30:16] Mars Volta.

Speaker 1:
[30:17] And she's like, no offense, looked amazing, but she spent like fucking four hours getting ready and was like, I have to be the hottest goth bitch at this show. And in my head, I'm like, it's a fucking deftone show. It's going to be people that look like me. And then we get there, no one looks like me. No, she is the hottest bitch at the fucking show. I'll tell you that much. But like, it was crazy. I was like, what are you talking about? You didn't know. It's going to be guys in fucking world industries t-shirts.

Speaker 2:
[30:49] Not anymore.

Speaker 1:
[30:50] Yeah. It was not.

Speaker 2:
[30:52] No. It's crazy.

Speaker 3:
[30:53] It was insane. It blew my mind. But like fucking good for them. That's cool.

Speaker 2:
[30:57] Yeah. Oh, it's awesome.

Speaker 3:
[30:58] To have that resurgence. So like they said, you know, it's the biggest their band's ever been is right now.

Speaker 2:
[31:03] Which is wild.

Speaker 3:
[31:04] Selling out arenas.

Speaker 1:
[31:05] Thoughts on that, Madison?

Speaker 4:
[31:07] TikTok does wonders.

Speaker 2:
[31:08] It does.

Speaker 3:
[31:09] It really does.

Speaker 4:
[31:10] But it is a great platform to link the generations.

Speaker 1:
[31:15] Keep going.

Speaker 4:
[31:15] My mom is only 17 years older than me. She had an issue at 17. So I think that a lot of her music directly influenced what I listen to growing up and what will show our kids.

Speaker 3:
[31:26] Without a doubt.

Speaker 4:
[31:26] I think that's another big thing is the parents are really like passing down their music interests to their kids or the older siblings. I hear a lot about older siblings giving the music to their younger siblings now, which is, I think, amazing.

Speaker 3:
[31:41] And it's totally a thing. And when you see that, you see, like, look what's back, like acid washed baggy pants and like flan.

Speaker 2:
[31:51] All of the fashion that was in when I was in middle school.

Speaker 3:
[31:53] It looks like everyone walked around as in a fucking episode of Dawson's Creek. Yeah, that's kind of sick.

Speaker 1:
[31:57] RIP.

Speaker 3:
[31:58] Yeah, RIP, man.

Speaker 1:
[31:59] RIP the Dawson. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[32:00] Dawson, bro.

Speaker 1:
[32:02] Crazy.

Speaker 2:
[32:03] To the doors. To the doors.

Speaker 1:
[32:05] To the doors. But you're right, everyone's dressing like that.

Speaker 3:
[32:08] And that's come back with like, so. And there's, you know, they say there's always this like, it's like a 20 or 30 year resurgence in every like cultural thing. Like it happens. Trading cards and Pokemon cards, sports cards, are like huge right now. That was like what I did when I was a little kid, you know? And it's like huge right now.

Speaker 1:
[32:24] You still do it now, don't you?

Speaker 3:
[32:25] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[32:26] You got a company? What is it?

Speaker 3:
[32:28] Yeah, it's just like a.

Speaker 2:
[32:29] Did we go to Target today to buy packs of cards?

Speaker 3:
[32:32] Maybe. Maybe. So yeah, no, I did.

Speaker 1:
[32:34] What did you buy today?

Speaker 3:
[32:35] I bought some 2025 Panini Select football blaster boxes. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[32:40] He's a sports card guy.

Speaker 1:
[32:41] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[32:42] I was going to be in the sports cards. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[32:44] How'd that go for you today though?

Speaker 1:
[32:47] Explain this to me like I'm five or British. What the fuck is a sports card? Like, why is it good? What did you want when you opened this pack today? And what did you get? And why was that bad?

Speaker 3:
[32:59] So what I wanted in the particular product I opened today, there is what is called a case hit. Now, a case of these cards is 20 boxes. So that means there's usually one case hit per case, which is one card. And in the product I got, it's called a Zebra. It has like a Zebra border, and every player in the NFL has one. So what I want is a Jackson Dart rookie, he's the quarterback for the Giants, Zebra, because it's such a rare, valuable card.

Speaker 1:
[33:32] Is it rare and valuable because you think he's going to be, it's really big later on?

Speaker 2:
[33:37] No, there's like a limited number.

Speaker 3:
[33:39] And the sports card market is literally like the stock market. Like if a player is doing well, their value is up. If they get hurt, their value goes down.

Speaker 1:
[33:48] Really?

Speaker 3:
[33:49] And people want big rookies because a lot of people see value in them and they want to see how their careers pan out. Sometimes they don't like, for instance, there was a big rookie last year, JJ McCarthy for the Vikings. He was a huge, huge chase in the product. And then he didn't have the best sophomore year in the NFL. So like his value has gone down. You got to kind of know.

Speaker 1:
[34:16] Do you sell before his value goes down? Wow, that's really like a stock market.

Speaker 3:
[34:22] It is, it is like a stock market. And a lot of people will really invest one player and sometimes people lose like a lot of money doing that. It's possible. Sometimes people really like 20 times their money. It just is.

Speaker 1:
[34:36] If that player, let's say this rookie card that you were looking for, can't remember his fucking name. Sorry, mate. But like, let's say you get it and it's worth a lot now anyway, because he's on the up. What if he then goes to go on? Do you know what? He's the only, the only famous football player. No, in fact, I'm going to keep the fucking reference. Okay, let's go on to say he has a career like OJ Simpson. What is that card like? What's that worth?

Speaker 3:
[35:07] There might be some sick fucks out there that is a completely different, like black market.

Speaker 2:
[35:11] I feel like the OJ market's probably crazy.

Speaker 3:
[35:13] It's probably weirdly crazy. Actually, I don't really know, but.

Speaker 1:
[35:17] That's the only, like, that's in my head. That's Michael Jordan of fucking like NFL. But it's like it's also Michael Jordan of killing your wife.

Speaker 2:
[35:28] Not even close.

Speaker 1:
[35:29] Michael Jordan of killing your wife.

Speaker 2:
[35:32] Oh, the man. Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1:
[35:34] That's insane. That's him. Yeah, that's him. Stays in, Simon.

Speaker 2:
[35:41] Oh, yeah, no, I respect it. I respect it.

Speaker 1:
[35:43] So wait, so who's like the best of all time at NFL?

Speaker 2:
[35:48] That would be tough because there's so many time. Right.

Speaker 3:
[35:50] Yeah, he's the guy.

Speaker 1:
[35:51] He's already still going. No, it's not like a 90s one. That's sick.

Speaker 3:
[35:58] He is. But Tom Brady's just made mature.

Speaker 1:
[36:00] Yeah, the guy knows that the American references I know the juice.

Speaker 2:
[36:07] I know.

Speaker 3:
[36:09] You're a weird guy.

Speaker 2:
[36:10] It's real weird.

Speaker 1:
[36:12] What a fucking movie.

Speaker 2:
[36:13] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[36:13] Never seen it.

Speaker 2:
[36:14] Wow.

Speaker 3:
[36:15] You have to.

Speaker 1:
[36:16] Never seen. There's two.

Speaker 2:
[36:19] Unacceptable.

Speaker 1:
[36:19] No. So this is this is a thing that I'm scared to show her dumb and dumb like an ace Ventura because it's so specifically my like she's never seen it. And I'm like, fuck, I think Dumb and Dumber is like top five movies. Sure.

Speaker 2:
[36:33] Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 1:
[36:34] But what if she doesn't like it?

Speaker 2:
[36:36] You know what? So my wife's going to if she ever listens, that's going to kill me for bringing this up. My wife has never seen Forrest Gump, and that fucking baffles me and enrages me, enrages me, and she just won't watch it.

Speaker 3:
[36:48] I feel like, what the is that?

Speaker 1:
[36:49] I fucking respect this. She's just like, no.

Speaker 3:
[36:52] I feel like the part where he's going, she's going to go, I'm going to bed.

Speaker 2:
[36:58] Have you seen Forrest Gump? Yes, I love Forrest Gump. Okay, all right, we're good, we're good then.

Speaker 1:
[37:01] I managed to get her to watch the, what?

Speaker 4:
[37:03] Love movies. Let me put that out there. He sounds like I'm a movie hater.

Speaker 2:
[37:08] Sure.

Speaker 4:
[37:09] I loved your series.

Speaker 1:
[37:10] Yeah, but Dumb and Dumber is specifically like a 39 to 45 year old man comedy.

Speaker 3:
[37:19] Here's a perfect example, and we were just talking about this before we started the podcast about Halloween, okay? Halloween 1978, the original one is my favorite movie of all time, literally my number one favorite movie. Adam Gray.

Speaker 2:
[37:34] Yep.

Speaker 3:
[37:34] We all love him.

Speaker 1:
[37:36] I thought he was going to be here, I was so excited.

Speaker 2:
[37:39] I would pay large sums of money to have him be on your podcast.

Speaker 3:
[37:43] He's got to come, next time he's around, he's got to pop in, but he thinks that's the worst fucking movie ever made. It's fucking terrible because he didn't see it till he was like, I don't think I put it in my top 10 horror movies. Well, the thing is for me, I saw it when I was like nine or 10 years old on USA Network, randomly in the middle of the day one day, and it scared the shit out of me when I was a little kid.

Speaker 2:
[38:06] It's got the nostalgia factor.

Speaker 3:
[38:07] The nostalgia factor, the way it made me feel then, it's like people saying, play the old stuff, because they want to hear that, because it made them feel as if I was talking about this earlier on.

Speaker 1:
[38:16] Exactly that.

Speaker 3:
[38:18] That's the same with, I feel that way, because it's my favorite one, because it reminds me of, it brings me back to that. So she might watch a Dumb and Dumber or something, be like, this is fucking stupid, and you're like, you're wrong.

Speaker 2:
[38:33] It's so hard for me to imagine how it could be a thing, though.

Speaker 1:
[38:35] I don't want that to happen.

Speaker 3:
[38:37] So that's why you're just like, we're not gonna watch it.

Speaker 1:
[38:40] We watched The Departed the other day, and she'd never seen that, and that's the top five movie for me.

Speaker 2:
[38:44] Yeah, that's incredible.

Speaker 1:
[38:44] And she liked it. I knew she would like it. Departed's awesome.

Speaker 3:
[38:48] What a great movie.

Speaker 1:
[38:49] I wanna watch fucking Dumb and Dumber so bad right now. Maybe I'll just do it. Maybe I'll rip the band-aid off.

Speaker 3:
[38:54] Let's watch it in its entirety on the podcast.

Speaker 2:
[38:57] Right now.

Speaker 3:
[38:57] The whole thing with no cuts.

Speaker 1:
[38:59] Next episode of the podcast doesn't have Madison, and I have to go, well, guys, we watched Dumb and Dumber.

Speaker 2:
[39:08] She wasn't into it.

Speaker 3:
[39:09] Yeah, yeah, and we just watched the whole thing. It's on screen right here, and it's them watching us watch it.

Speaker 1:
[39:14] I thought about that earlier on today, because I was thinking of other things I could do just for fun. Or like for Patreon. So if you're on the Patreon and you're watching this, and you think this is a good idea, what I wanted to do is like an audio only of me and someone else, like another guest, like either post podcast, maybe they did a podcast, or maybe they want to be involved, but they don't have something coming out, or just in town and they don't want to do a podcast. And I'm like, okay, well, will you do this with me? Watch this movie with me, and we'll just talk over the whole thing. Like a director's commentary, because I used to love those back in the day with DVDs. And all you would do is like, I'd be like on the actual thing, on the actual audio, you could go, okay, guys, you should see the MGM lion now. Okay, pause, three, two, one, press play. And then they can watch the movie and have me and some other fucking guy chat shit over the top of it.

Speaker 2:
[40:11] Wasn't there a TV show back in the day?

Speaker 3:
[40:12] Mystery Science Theater 3000.

Speaker 2:
[40:14] That's the one.

Speaker 1:
[40:15] Wow, I don't know what you're talking about, so.

Speaker 2:
[40:18] It was like a late night TV show where they were showing a movie or a TV show, and it was like an animated group of characters.

Speaker 3:
[40:26] As if they're in a theater, and you can only see their silhouettes in a theater, but you could see the whole movie on a screen imposed into this graphic, and it was them doing commentary.

Speaker 1:
[40:36] But it was a real movie.

Speaker 3:
[40:38] It was a real movie, and it was on a sci-fi channel, so usually it was like an old timey sci-fi movie.

Speaker 1:
[40:43] It sounded like Beavis and Butthead, but movies.

Speaker 2:
[40:45] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[40:46] That's a, yeah, actually a little bit, but it didn't cut. It didn't cut scenes or anything. It was a behind shot of these characters that were doing the commentary, it was just like kind of repeating.

Speaker 1:
[40:56] I wonder how you'd get away with that, because I'd love to do that, where like me and a guest watch a whole fucking movie, like you're just talking about, and then you could also just watch the whole thing.

Speaker 3:
[41:06] I want to say-

Speaker 1:
[41:07] It's very arrogant to be like, guys, you should watch this movie, but you should listen to me.

Speaker 2:
[41:11] But only with me talking.

Speaker 1:
[41:12] You should listen to me.

Speaker 3:
[41:13] Don't watch it any other way, it's only if I'm talking.

Speaker 1:
[41:16] This iconic movie, listen to me talk all over it. Yeah. What a fucking wanker. What a wanker.

Speaker 3:
[41:22] I feel like with that show, they got away with it because it was a movie from the year negative 3000.

Speaker 1:
[41:28] I feel like I could get away with it with some kind of monster. What are you gonna do? You see me? Oh, actually, he's a...

Speaker 2:
[41:36] Look, and I'm not a large hater.

Speaker 1:
[41:38] Yeah, thank God.

Speaker 2:
[41:39] They're my favorite band in the world.

Speaker 1:
[41:41] Every motherfucker in this room is their favorite band.

Speaker 2:
[41:44] I love it. I love them to the end of the earth and back. Dude loves to sue people though, so.

Speaker 1:
[41:50] He doesn't love to sue people. And I didn't want him on the podcast so much. That's another one we haven't watched.

Speaker 2:
[41:54] You don't sue anybody at all.

Speaker 3:
[41:55] Yeah, as far as he fucking loves you, I mean.

Speaker 1:
[41:56] Out of my... Sorry.

Speaker 2:
[42:01] I've got one in my studio, too.

Speaker 1:
[42:03] Real one from him?

Speaker 2:
[42:04] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[42:04] Is it an A-Head drumstick?

Speaker 2:
[42:06] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[42:06] Yeah, it's from him.

Speaker 2:
[42:07] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[42:09] Touched by the hand of God. He gave it to someone. He gave it to...

Speaker 2:
[42:12] I got mine from a third party, too.

Speaker 1:
[42:14] You know that band Royal Blood?

Speaker 3:
[42:16] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[42:16] So Ben from Royal Blood was wearing my Lars Ulrich wrestling T-shirt.

Speaker 2:
[42:21] Which I bought because it's so fucking sick.

Speaker 3:
[42:23] Of course. You want to touch it?

Speaker 1:
[42:25] I have one. He's already got one. He doesn't care. He knows the scent.

Speaker 3:
[42:28] I'm fucking sorry.

Speaker 1:
[42:29] He knows the scent.

Speaker 3:
[42:33] What does it smell like?

Speaker 1:
[42:36] He was wearing my Lars Ulrich T-shirt when they played with Metallica and Lars. People, hey, fans of the podcast that are here every week, I'm sorry you have to hear these fucking stories every time. However, if you are here and you're like, fuck this story again, I actually love you so much. Because you watch every episode. But he was wearing it and Lars was there and saw him. And was like, what the fuck is that? And then he explains to him. And then I get hit up by someone that Lars' wife wants five of the shirts. So I sent five to Lars, and then I went and counted members of his family. Five, whatever number it was, I counted members of his family and number of shirts and the weird sizes they were. Looked at pictures of his kids and everything to check the sizes were right. And the sizes were all like, this is for a fucking family photo. So I know it exists. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:
[43:35] God, I hope so. That needs to hit the internet like now.

Speaker 1:
[43:39] Swiss family Ulrich.

Speaker 2:
[43:41] Oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[43:41] Just wearing my fucking shirt.

Speaker 3:
[43:43] That has to exist. That's gotta be it.

Speaker 1:
[43:44] Beer, shot, what do you want?

Speaker 3:
[43:46] I'll take a beer.

Speaker 1:
[43:48] You know what? No one does it. We never do it.

Speaker 2:
[43:49] I love it.

Speaker 3:
[43:50] I've been wanting to be on your podcast for so long.

Speaker 2:
[43:52] I guess people are probably on tour when they come through, huh?

Speaker 1:
[43:54] People are on tour. I normally drive. It's normally like 5 p.m. And it's not people that I have a checkered history of drinking with.

Speaker 3:
[44:05] How often do you do a late podcast like this? Should I give this? Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[44:10] I'm glad you're on board with like shitty beers. Like that's fucking nectar. Like, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[44:16] I just fucking love it.

Speaker 1:
[44:18] Give me like the refreshment of a water, but with the hit of a beer.

Speaker 3:
[44:23] The crisp of a beer.

Speaker 1:
[44:25] Yeah, the fun, crispy fucking attitude. We started, we did quite a few where we would do it with people after their show. And I did really like those. But people don't really want to do it. People don't want to have a night. Yeah. People are like, I'm going to be too tired. And do you know what I think a lot of it is? Is some people don't know about the podcast. Oh, this is what I was actually going to say.

Speaker 2:
[44:48] How do they not know about your podcast?

Speaker 1:
[44:51] I know.

Speaker 3:
[44:51] That's fucking crazy.

Speaker 2:
[44:52] That's insane to me.

Speaker 1:
[44:53] Yeah, but this is what happens. They don't know. And the press agent or whoever is like, oh, the drama knows. And then I like Google the drama, and I'm like watching an interview with them, and I'm like, this is not going to be good, so I'm just not going to do it. And then fucking the next door singer sends me a message every fucking time, because they go, oh, actually it's good. Or I get the drama first, and then the singer sees it and goes, oh wait, that was good.

Speaker 3:
[45:23] Yeah, because I was going to say, you have a lot of non-drummers on, don't you?

Speaker 1:
[45:26] Really be trying to do it.

Speaker 2:
[45:28] He's still battling the drummer podcast.

Speaker 1:
[45:30] I am.

Speaker 3:
[45:32] I play guitar more, and he plays guitar, so yeah.

Speaker 1:
[45:35] I could do, and this is the thing, though. This is the problem. I could do this every single week if it was a drummer, but I don't think the ceiling on drummers is too low.

Speaker 3:
[45:47] Totally.

Speaker 1:
[45:47] For like what I want to do. So like I try and mix it up. So I think every, maybe every three episodes, I'll try another drummer because I can just talk. Sure. Easily to drummers, we are very similar human beings. But I am trying to beat the podcast, drama podcast allegations. The drumsticks is the fucking problem.

Speaker 2:
[46:08] Yeah, it makes it tough.

Speaker 3:
[46:09] What a fucking logo though, man.

Speaker 1:
[46:10] Thanks.

Speaker 3:
[46:11] Look at that branding.

Speaker 1:
[46:12] Copyrighted. Cost me fucking eight grand to copyright.

Speaker 3:
[46:15] I think very worth it.

Speaker 2:
[46:16] Worth it.

Speaker 1:
[46:17] Do you know why I did it?

Speaker 3:
[46:17] It's so sick.

Speaker 1:
[46:18] Do you know why I did it? And we got no big because I love him. No, because during the pandemic, Ben Coller from Converge started a podcast or made a t-shirt and had a drumstick with pentagrams on it. And then everyone started tagging me in it. And I love Ben and I love his drumming. And I was like, oh, that kind of sucks because this sort of looks like the Downbeat logo. And then I was like, and then that got me thinking, I didn't give a fuck at the time and then he abandoned it or stopped doing it or whatever. And I don't care. It's like not the most original idea in the world. However, I've made it my thing. And then I was thinking about it and I was like, it's only a matter of time before some symbol company, mine or like stick company, or does like a metal drumstick and it's drumstick pentagram. And I was like, let me just fuck Trey Martin.

Speaker 2:
[47:06] I mean ESP Guitars does that like arctic metal line of their guitars and shit. Like I wouldn't have been shocked to see like a pentagram out of guitar picks or some shit.

Speaker 3:
[47:15] Or like out of the necks.

Speaker 2:
[47:16] When does fucking yeah, a symbol company go, this is our metal line of symbols and put a fucking drumstick pentagram on it.

Speaker 1:
[47:22] In America though, people kind of scared of the pentagram.

Speaker 2:
[47:25] Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:
[47:26] Kind of sick.

Speaker 2:
[47:27] Oh yeah, don't you know Jesus is king, brother?

Speaker 1:
[47:29] It's kind of sick that like, so in the UK, we laugh at all you guys. Yeah, because of what you did.

Speaker 3:
[47:36] I think everyone laughs at that.

Speaker 2:
[47:38] I think most of America is laughing at America too to be fair.

Speaker 1:
[47:40] But like, it's crazy how like, I am, I would say I must have liked about 100 million times. So leave a comment.

Speaker 3:
[47:48] Subscribe, thank you.

Speaker 1:
[47:50] Also subscribe. Oh, that's going to have to get reframed.

Speaker 3:
[47:53] You can sue me and I'll give you my info, whatever.

Speaker 1:
[47:55] Bro, you're not blaming that fucking leg for everything?

Speaker 3:
[47:58] Yeah, this is the good one.

Speaker 1:
[47:59] Oh, okay. I'll take it back.

Speaker 3:
[48:01] Sue the fuck out of me.

Speaker 1:
[48:03] I'll take it back. You can sue me. I didn't have the correct...

Speaker 2:
[48:07] Well, if you were to sue me, who owns this building?

Speaker 3:
[48:10] Let's go for that.

Speaker 2:
[48:11] Let's go for that.

Speaker 1:
[48:12] Let's go for that. Good. Cheers. Yeah. We like laugh at you guys, or just in general, but I couldn't actually believe coming here. I'm agnostic. Sure. I do believe there is something. I believe we were created by something, but I don't know what it is. I'm sure I would probably subscribe to some sort of aliens or simulation theory, which my girlfriend has told me many times.

Speaker 2:
[48:38] I like both of those things.

Speaker 1:
[48:39] Early onset schizophrenia. But it's crazy how many people are just like real, like the Bible shit.

Speaker 2:
[48:51] I feel like it's like come back into fashion too, in a way. Like I feel like it's-

Speaker 1:
[48:56] You don't think they're really doing it? You think they're doing it for golf?

Speaker 2:
[49:00] On the higher levels of it? That one hundred percent. But I feel like it's-

Speaker 3:
[49:05] Evangelists.

Speaker 1:
[49:07] Evangelists definitely make them- I would just mean like when it's just like, oh, we're a Christian- I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[49:12] Is that coming back in the-

Speaker 3:
[49:13] Oh, that I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[49:14] You just mean Christianity in general is coming back.

Speaker 2:
[49:17] I feel like it's, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[49:19] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[49:19] I'm going to say something crazy, given the fact there's a pentagram right there, and on my clothing and the music I listen to. But like, I kind of get it for like community.

Speaker 2:
[49:32] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[49:32] People are like, if it's coming back, maybe people are like longing for.

Speaker 3:
[49:36] Totally.

Speaker 2:
[49:37] The community aspect of it and what it's supposed to stand for, I get that. What it ends up being is fucking toxic and abused for money.

Speaker 1:
[49:45] And you can't do this, you can't do that.

Speaker 3:
[49:48] Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[49:49] Yes, it inevitably always ends up in a fucking bad place.

Speaker 1:
[49:53] Like everything.

Speaker 3:
[49:54] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[49:55] 100%.

Speaker 1:
[49:57] That was depressing.

Speaker 3:
[49:58] Everything.

Speaker 2:
[49:59] Everything. Everything sucks. We're all.

Speaker 1:
[50:02] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[50:03] Couple of bad ass.

Speaker 1:
[50:04] What do you think is the weirdest religion?

Speaker 2:
[50:06] Oh, I don't fucking know.

Speaker 1:
[50:07] We got a fucking hand up straight away over there.

Speaker 4:
[50:10] The pasta religion.

Speaker 1:
[50:13] Pastafarian.

Speaker 2:
[50:14] Pastafarian?

Speaker 1:
[50:15] No, that's just a branch of atheism.

Speaker 2:
[50:17] But is it? Oh, is it?

Speaker 1:
[50:19] Yeah, atheists made it to protest the census.

Speaker 2:
[50:23] OK.

Speaker 3:
[50:24] Oh, I thought there was some you could buy at like Whole Foods.

Speaker 1:
[50:27] No one's. I'm gonna fucking copyright that next. Pastafarian. I believe it was atheists that were mocking Christianity and how crazy it is. So on the census report, when you put your religion in, they would put that. I would say I'm thinking like.

Speaker 2:
[50:47] Were you going to say like fucking Scientology or some shit? Because that's where my head goes immediately. And we probably still will get killed for that.

Speaker 1:
[50:54] Here's the thing. Here's the thing though. Scientology is fine.

Speaker 2:
[50:57] Just make it quick.

Speaker 1:
[50:59] Here's the thing about Scientology. I don't care what Tom Cruise does. I love him. He can do whatever he fucking wants.

Speaker 2:
[51:05] Sure. It's a little weird when he says that depression's not real. That's a little weird.

Speaker 1:
[51:11] It's just positive thinking, bro. This is what I mean though.

Speaker 3:
[51:14] Come on, he's had it pretty rough.

Speaker 1:
[51:17] You know what? Everyone's got their fucking limits for like art versus artist.

Speaker 2:
[51:22] Sure.

Speaker 3:
[51:22] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[51:23] We all know I do. And like, but mine for Tom Cruise is like...

Speaker 2:
[51:30] Pretty high.

Speaker 1:
[51:31] Oh, it's like fucking... It's out of this world, brother.

Speaker 3:
[51:35] You're doing it wrong.

Speaker 1:
[51:35] It's like you could do fucking... And I don't know what it is. I like The Last Hammerite a lot. And I like Eyes Wide Shut.

Speaker 3:
[51:46] Vanilla Sky.

Speaker 1:
[51:47] Vanilla Sky is maybe a top five. Maybe a top five.

Speaker 2:
[51:52] Jeremy Beyer fans, anybody? Just me?

Speaker 3:
[51:53] I have a controversial...

Speaker 1:
[51:54] Didn't have an OJ in it for me.

Speaker 2:
[51:56] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[51:56] All right.

Speaker 3:
[51:57] Best sports card out there, by the way. I have a take here and I stand by this. I'm talking about we might get killed. I might get killed.

Speaker 1:
[52:07] OJ is innocent.

Speaker 3:
[52:09] Top Gun Maverick is better.

Speaker 1:
[52:12] Than Top Gun. I haven't seen Top Gun Maverick.

Speaker 3:
[52:16] Dude, it's fucking sick.

Speaker 2:
[52:18] It is good.

Speaker 1:
[52:18] I don't really care about Top Gun. I love Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise can stamp on a baby and I'm still on... I know what he is.

Speaker 2:
[52:32] No, fair enough.

Speaker 1:
[52:34] I got that blind allegiance to him based on maybe four movies and I can't explain it.

Speaker 2:
[52:41] All right.

Speaker 1:
[52:41] Well, maybe it's like a cosmic Scientology thing.

Speaker 2:
[52:44] What's the weirdest religion? Praying to fucking Tom Cruise. That might be the weirdest religion. That's what's going on right now.

Speaker 3:
[52:50] That one has to exist as well.

Speaker 1:
[52:52] Praying to Tom Cruise. Can we get a Google on weirdest religions?

Speaker 4:
[52:57] So a lot of them are coming up like the Flying Spaghetti Monster, where it's like satirical religions.

Speaker 3:
[53:04] Did she say, I'm sorry, I have the headphones on. Did she say a Spaghetti Monster?

Speaker 1:
[53:07] Yeah, that's Pastafarian, right? Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[53:10] There's Jedi-ism.

Speaker 1:
[53:14] Yeah, but this is all just people gaming the census because they want to protest organized religion, which I agree with.

Speaker 2:
[53:20] Sure. Yep, yep.

Speaker 1:
[53:21] I don't think it's funny, but I feel like we could just move. Let's just call it Scientology. Please don't kill me. Please don't kill me.

Speaker 2:
[53:28] Look, I'm sure that I was in a Christian Metalcore band before The Ghost Inside, so.

Speaker 1:
[53:33] Were you? Devil Wears Prada?

Speaker 2:
[53:36] No, Texas in July with Adam Gray.

Speaker 1:
[53:38] I didn't know Texas in July were Christian.

Speaker 2:
[53:41] That's not shocking. It went away real quick. The band started when they were all like teenagers and it was a Christian band at the beginning and it went away real quick.

Speaker 1:
[53:51] It always does.

Speaker 2:
[53:52] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[53:53] Except for Impending Doom. Remember that band?

Speaker 2:
[53:55] Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:
[53:55] So sick. Please continue to be Christian. Body banging.

Speaker 3:
[53:59] They were sick.

Speaker 2:
[54:00] Hard as fuck.

Speaker 1:
[54:01] Just be Christian.

Speaker 2:
[54:02] Hard as fuck. And I did all the Christian tours, all the Christian festivals. Shit. Shit's weird.

Speaker 1:
[54:08] How Christian are we talking?

Speaker 2:
[54:10] Oh, dude. We did a tour called Scream the Prayer.

Speaker 3:
[54:14] That's pretty Christian.

Speaker 1:
[54:15] Did you say ooh or have you got a weird religion for me?

Speaker 3:
[54:18] Praying is.

Speaker 2:
[54:20] Oh, no, no. She's justified in that response.

Speaker 1:
[54:22] Scream the prayer.

Speaker 2:
[54:24] That's a tour we did.

Speaker 4:
[54:25] Oh, Father.

Speaker 2:
[54:27] Oh, God. It's a thing. Give us this day. Our daily bread. Might as well. Did a couple tours with Four Today and I feel bad bringing it up. I love the LaTroux brothers, but I got it.

Speaker 1:
[54:40] Ryan LaTroux is one of the best people on planet Earth.

Speaker 2:
[54:44] Yes. One of my favorite people ever. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[54:46] Sweetheart.

Speaker 2:
[54:47] But I've seen it all.

Speaker 1:
[54:48] All of it?

Speaker 2:
[54:50] Well, not all of it, but a lot of it. I've seen a lot of it.

Speaker 1:
[54:52] Not the like Serbian film shit.

Speaker 2:
[54:55] No. No, no, no.

Speaker 3:
[54:58] I won't watch it.

Speaker 1:
[54:59] You won't watch it?

Speaker 3:
[54:59] No.

Speaker 1:
[55:00] Here's the thing. I watched it once. Repulse Me.

Speaker 3:
[55:05] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[55:05] You loved it.

Speaker 3:
[55:06] You watched it more than once.

Speaker 2:
[55:07] You loved it.

Speaker 1:
[55:07] No, I watched it once, Repulse Me, but for some reason, I like to make a joke that it's my favorite horror.

Speaker 3:
[55:15] That's a good bit.

Speaker 1:
[55:16] It's a good bit because it's so bad.

Speaker 2:
[55:19] People are like, they probably think you're a fucking serial killer.

Speaker 1:
[55:21] Yeah, it's really bad or worse. I would rather be a serial killer than that.

Speaker 2:
[55:26] Yeah, fair.

Speaker 3:
[55:26] I think Zach said he watched it, thinking it was going to be like a Serbian film. And I'm like, yeah, no, I wasn't there.

Speaker 2:
[55:33] I think he's ruined for life.

Speaker 1:
[55:35] Yeah. Weird religion. You got one.

Speaker 4:
[55:38] I would like to put out there cults like Heaven's Gate.

Speaker 3:
[55:42] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[55:42] Heaven's Gate was what made me think of this whole thing.

Speaker 2:
[55:46] Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 3:
[55:48] Wait, is that the Jim Jones one? What's the Jim Jones?

Speaker 2:
[55:50] That was that was Jonestown massacre.

Speaker 1:
[55:52] Yeah, Heaven's Gate is the one where the aliens. Yes, the aliens.

Speaker 2:
[55:59] And what was the one that was in Waco, Texas? There was a cult that was in Waco and there was a massive like FBI.

Speaker 3:
[56:06] That was crazy.

Speaker 2:
[56:07] And they like killed a ton of people and like kids and shit.

Speaker 3:
[56:10] It was raining.

Speaker 1:
[56:10] You're a sneakerhead, aren't you?

Speaker 3:
[56:12] Dude, I was into it for a good while. Like I'm I'm I'm actually not going to say what I'm wearing right now. Cut that. I mean, Jamie, cut that.

Speaker 1:
[56:20] You pulled off your leg and waved it at a camera.

Speaker 2:
[56:25] Yeah, it's easy.

Speaker 1:
[56:28] Yeah, but you got old Yeezy's on. What? You want me to throw my clothes out? Right.

Speaker 2:
[56:33] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1:
[56:34] No, I fall from grace. I'm sorry. But it's so such a fucking shame. Don't be. No, I don't be like that.

Speaker 3:
[56:41] I'm literally kidding. But I was like super big into sneaker collecting during the pandemic. I got a I got a couple of nice pairs. I definitely slowed down on it. And I because I don't wear a lot of them went from sneakers to my addiction.

Speaker 1:
[56:57] You wear one less than me.

Speaker 3:
[56:58] That's right. I get everything half off.

Speaker 4:
[57:00] A new religious movement founded in 1974 by Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles. The members believe that human bodies were containers that in that committing suicide would allow their souls to ascend to an alien spaceship, trailing the Hale-Bopp Comet leading to a higher existence.

Speaker 1:
[57:19] Kind of fucking awesome. So they all when the Hale-Bopp Comet happened in whenever it was, I think it was like late 90s, early 2000s, whatever, they were like, okay, you got to kill yourself on this day because then you ascend, you go to your real body on the planet. They were all wearing Nike Decades. And so when they died, all the photos that happened of all the suicides and everything because they had the cloths over them, all you could see was the shoes.

Speaker 2:
[57:51] Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1:
[57:52] The sales of Nike Decades went crazy. So then Nike pulled it, pulled the sale, they pulled that sneaker completely, but then the resale market went nuts.

Speaker 2:
[58:02] Of course it did. Of fucking of course it did.

Speaker 1:
[58:04] Desperate for a pair.

Speaker 2:
[58:06] That's all right.

Speaker 1:
[58:08] All right, the fucking most light hearted. Sure. All right. Be sure.

Speaker 3:
[58:15] That's why I made. That's where I started one decade.

Speaker 1:
[58:19] Oh my God. One decade.

Speaker 2:
[58:22] There it is.

Speaker 1:
[58:23] You do need to though, because you got a per se two legs, two decades, two decades.

Speaker 3:
[58:28] I should get to more.

Speaker 4:
[58:30] We got the branch.

Speaker 2:
[58:32] The video.

Speaker 4:
[58:35] That was the way to the way to one.

Speaker 3:
[58:38] That one's fucking crazy.

Speaker 2:
[58:39] Yeah, that was just a crazy thing. Like the FBI stormed the ranch that they were on and like fucking murdered. Everybody killed a bunch of kids. It was fucked.

Speaker 1:
[58:46] The thing about cults, right, is what I can't help thinking about is because the sort of person that gets into a cult is, you know, they are quite, they're either damaged or they're not thinking right.

Speaker 3:
[59:04] Lost.

Speaker 1:
[59:08] Able to be manipulated. Like, and there's a cult by its nature has got quite a few people, must be the most fucking annoying room in the world.

Speaker 2:
[59:18] Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[59:19] Like 20 of them.

Speaker 3:
[59:21] Could you imagine?

Speaker 1:
[59:22] The sort of person that would believe that it's a fucking alien that's controlling everything. Annoying. Annoying as fuck.

Speaker 2:
[59:28] There are not many places I could imagine wanting to be less than that.

Speaker 3:
[59:33] I'm having a fucking good time. I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 1:
[59:36] Are you? Good.

Speaker 3:
[59:37] I am. This is so fun. I've been wanting to do this for so long. I mean, I know I did the audio one, but since I've been watching you, what year was that? I'm watching this grow.

Speaker 2:
[59:46] Was that over the pandemic?

Speaker 3:
[59:47] I think it was mid-pandemic. No, it was after, what's the fucking Australia Big Fest we played in the middle of?

Speaker 1:
[59:54] Unified, Unified.

Speaker 3:
[59:55] It was right after.

Speaker 2:
[59:56] You guys played that the same day as us, didn't you?

Speaker 3:
[59:58] Well, that's why we talked about doing it there.

Speaker 1:
[60:00] It would have been either, it would have been, it was like, I want to say, it was either a brand new pandemic or it was days before the pandemic.

Speaker 3:
[60:08] It might have been days before it was declared a pandemic.

Speaker 2:
[60:11] Speaking of pandemic and that show, so we flew into Australia probably a week before the festival because we came over only for the festival.

Speaker 3:
[60:19] I came over for Christmas. So I was weeks early.

Speaker 2:
[60:21] But I remember, so we were doing rehearsals in Melbourne. And I remember walking down into the lobby of our hotel every day and like walking past the TVs that were on like news channels and stuff and being like...

Speaker 3:
[60:34] Coronavirus.

Speaker 2:
[60:35] Right, like new mystery virus break out in China and going, yeah, this is so up, so I feel bad for saying this.

Speaker 3:
[60:42] What the hell is that?

Speaker 2:
[60:43] Me being like, that sucks. I will probably won't have to worry about that. And then the entire world explodes.

Speaker 1:
[60:48] Now I went to get my nuts checked pre-pandemic popping off. I remember it vividly. I had a little bump on a nut.

Speaker 2:
[60:57] Yeah, yeah, been there.

Speaker 1:
[60:57] Checking your nuts, guys. You gotta go get that. And I was like freaking out about it. And I went to go get it checked out. Just a cyst, just a benign cyst, very small, gone now. But anyway, I remember being in the waiting room, waiting for it. And I was watching a thing about people being stranded in Spain on holiday because of this virus. And in my head, I'm like watching it and I'm just like, oh, it's like one of those cruise ship norovirus things. And I'm like, oh, they're just watching it like as entertainment, not being entertained, and just watching it like, oh, yeah, that would suck. Or would it? Because you were still on holiday, you get free holiday, blah, blah, blah, blah. Three weeks later, it's like, the world is fucking ending.

Speaker 2:
[61:37] We may never see the public ever again.

Speaker 3:
[61:39] I remember seeing a thing like, oh, Tom Hanks and his wife, they're stranded, they can't fly. And I go, Tom Hanks can't make it, we're all.

Speaker 2:
[61:45] Yeah, we're all fucked.

Speaker 1:
[61:47] He's been known to not make it for quite a while.

Speaker 3:
[61:50] Okay, I was gonna get a pump.

Speaker 1:
[61:51] And then go.

Speaker 3:
[61:54] And that didn't work out so well.

Speaker 1:
[61:55] The man survived AIDS, living on an island.

Speaker 3:
[61:58] Yeah, for this, back to that.

Speaker 1:
[62:01] Yeah, there's a word for that.

Speaker 3:
[62:03] His wife leaving the room when that scene comes on. What's the word?

Speaker 1:
[62:06] There's a word for that, you can't say it anymore. But you kind of can. Forrest Gump's crazy because Forrest Gump draws the line. You want to talk about music? Oh, fuck off. Forrest Gump draws the line so perfectly into like, how much an actor can be a little bit...

Speaker 3:
[62:36] What about Gilbert Grape?

Speaker 1:
[62:37] Yeah, that's too much.

Speaker 2:
[62:39] That's like insane. Yeah, I think I'm going to cross this.

Speaker 1:
[62:41] Yeah, what's you eating Gilbert Grape? That's kind of, that's maybe too far. Forrest Gump is the cusp.

Speaker 3:
[62:47] Wildly.

Speaker 1:
[62:48] Forrest Gump's on the cusp. There's another one that's like, my left foot, is that what it's called?

Speaker 3:
[62:54] I don't want to hear anything about anyone's left foot. I got to know, let me tell you something. If I hear that again, one more time.

Speaker 2:
[63:02] You got one though. It's the right foot that should be bugging you, bud.

Speaker 3:
[63:05] Oh, I fucked that up.

Speaker 2:
[63:06] Yeah, you did.

Speaker 3:
[63:06] I thought I was going to hear a pop.

Speaker 2:
[63:07] It's okay.

Speaker 1:
[63:08] He got a fucking pop for me.

Speaker 3:
[63:10] I was going to get a pop.

Speaker 1:
[63:11] It's me saying I thought I was going to get a pop earlier, but I'm a close.

Speaker 3:
[63:15] I really like it. I want to keep calling that back if we can.

Speaker 2:
[63:20] I'll work it in.

Speaker 1:
[63:21] And I think it's in an edit so no one will know.

Speaker 2:
[63:25] That makes it even better.

Speaker 3:
[63:26] I straight up hijacked it from you. Yeah, take it. You guys want to start a cult?

Speaker 1:
[63:32] It's called the paper cuts.

Speaker 3:
[63:35] It's called the left foot cuts.

Speaker 1:
[63:36] Parentheses. I thought that was going to get popped.

Speaker 3:
[63:39] Yeah, the thought pops.

Speaker 1:
[63:41] Do you want to get dark or not? Are you having too much fun?

Speaker 2:
[63:44] We're not.

Speaker 3:
[63:44] We're down.

Speaker 2:
[63:45] I live with the darkness.

Speaker 3:
[63:46] It will fucking switch gears like that.

Speaker 1:
[63:48] Oh, it's gear switching time because we've got the grief tourists watching.

Speaker 2:
[63:52] Let's bring it on.

Speaker 1:
[63:53] Well, there's grief tourists that want to know about this crash. Speaking of left foot, right foot. There was one thing you said earlier, I didn't want to cut in because you were talking too much.

Speaker 3:
[64:04] As I do.

Speaker 1:
[64:04] No, that was a joke. I was talking too much. You said when you were in a coma, that while you were in a coma, your dad was already thinking of a way that you could play the drums. Yep. Did you know that you'd lost your leg?

Speaker 3:
[64:18] So, no.

Speaker 1:
[64:19] So your dad is planning your life.

Speaker 3:
[64:22] Yeah, because they had to make the decision as my parents to take the leg or not. And it got to a point where the infection was spreading.

Speaker 1:
[64:32] Whoa, whoa, just give me the full story, then, because I didn't know that.

Speaker 3:
[64:35] So here's the thing. In the crash, I was as far front you could be to the front lounge. So top left, driver side, front bunk.

Speaker 1:
[64:47] Double decker bus?

Speaker 2:
[64:48] No, this was in the States. It was a single decker.

Speaker 3:
[64:50] Single decker US format condo bunk, driver side, top left. On the other side of me is where the front lounge starts. So I was, you know, I took me, me, Zach, I think Armin and Vigil took, the more up there you are, the force drifts less, you know.

Speaker 1:
[65:11] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[65:11] That's far back, if that makes sense. So up there, took a big, big hit up there. And the leg was broken so bad. And I remember seeing, I was touch and go like in and out of consciousness and awareness at certain points during the accident. And there was a point, so I'm kind of jumping all over here.

Speaker 1:
[65:37] Give me a play, give me a play by play.

Speaker 3:
[65:38] Yeah. So, so 9 a.m. everyone's asleep in the bunks. I feel the bus jerk and I hear a loud noise. And then it's just still lights out. And I wake up in shrapnel and rubble. So surreal, it felt like maybe it wasn't real. It took a second to-

Speaker 2:
[66:03] It sure felt like a dream.

Speaker 1:
[66:04] Outside.

Speaker 3:
[66:05] Outside of the bus.

Speaker 2:
[66:06] No, he was still in the bus, but I think the roof had torn open where he was, so he could see the sky.

Speaker 3:
[66:11] Yeah, the part of the bus I was in was like ripped open, like a can. So I was on my back when I came to, and it was shrapnel around me and the sky, and you could smell diesel fumes. There were, we had a studio bus. It was formatted to be a studio to write on. We were going to write a record. I was like in and out of consciousness. It took me a minute to realize what had happened was real. And when I did, I just told myself to just calm down, and this actually happened, and no matter what, just something told me to not panic and not let my heart, I've never would have even known to do that, but I go, I just gotta control my breathing. I know that I need to just breathe in my nose and out my mouth. Like literally, you don't know that you have it, but you do have it in you. We're all wired that way, and you don't know it till it happens, and it fucking happened. So I just went into this like zen almost.

Speaker 1:
[67:14] You were in pain.

Speaker 3:
[67:15] Complete and utter shock, didn't feel a thing.

Speaker 2:
[67:17] You looked down at one point and saw your heel or your toes were supposed to be, right?

Speaker 3:
[67:21] Yes. Yes.

Speaker 2:
[67:22] Can you imagine, dude?

Speaker 3:
[67:24] And I saw that, and I just looked away almost like a dump. Just don't look at it.

Speaker 1:
[67:28] And you were like zen, no pain.

Speaker 3:
[67:30] I just got to make it to the hospital, and it'll be figured out. That's where my head was at. Crazy. So what felt like an eternity passed.

Speaker 2:
[67:41] I was an attorney.

Speaker 3:
[67:42] Yeah, I remember.

Speaker 1:
[67:43] How long were we talking?

Speaker 2:
[67:44] Like two hours of being just trapped in a tour bus accident, waiting two hours for people to show up to get you out.

Speaker 3:
[67:52] It couldn't have been more in the middle of nowhere. It was a two-lane rural highway near Las Cruces and El Paso border.

Speaker 2:
[68:00] Somebody that stopped to help us had to drive like 15 minutes just to get cell phone service to call in help. And when it got called in to emergency services, it was called in as an RV turned over. So when they first sent emergency services, it was like not enough people to take care of the 10 people in the band and crew plus both drivers. So the first set of first responders came, and then they had to call for backup on top of that. So by the time that the last person, which I think was me, Jim, and Timmy, our drum tech at the time, got out of there, it was like almost three hours after the accident.

Speaker 1:
[68:32] Shout out Timmy.

Speaker 2:
[68:33] Timmy, the man.

Speaker 1:
[68:34] Timmy's drum tech for me. He's the man.

Speaker 2:
[68:36] I love him.

Speaker 1:
[68:38] Holy shit, two and a half hours.

Speaker 2:
[68:40] Yeah, dude, long time. We were just trapped there. Yep.

Speaker 1:
[68:44] And yours then, how are you at this moment?

Speaker 2:
[68:47] Panicking, because I was in the back of the bus. So I was able to, I woke up split second before the impact because I felt the brakes slam and it jolted me awake and then immediately impact. And when we finally came to a stop, so like he said, the bus was a studio bus. So like it really technically only had five bunks in it. And they like manufactured extra bunks into the back. And so the bunks on the driver side of the bus had like collapsed onto my side. I was on the passenger side of the bus and I was able to find like a small hole in the shit that was laying on top of my bunk to like squeeze myself out. I knew my foot was fucked. So I like couldn't get much further than that. And Timmy, again, shout out Timmy, was able to get out of his bunk. He climbed out the back window and then lifted me out of the bus and I was just like sitting on fucking, I don't know, like a tragedy scene, like a bomb had gone off. Like there was just shit laying everywhere and I'm sitting on the remains of what was, I know now, like the remains of the trailer that the semi was pulling. Just fucking freaking out, like asking Jim, our bass player, like is our driver okay? Like my brain hadn't accepted what we were dealing with.

Speaker 1:
[70:04] And everyone else is stuck in the bus. Except for you, Timmy.

Speaker 2:
[70:08] Me, Timmy and then Jim, our bass player.

Speaker 1:
[70:10] So I like people screaming.

Speaker 2:
[70:11] Oh yeah, dude. And to be fair, cause like there was a door that separated the studio area that the rest of the bunks were in and the front five bunks. And at that point I had heard like, I had heard Zach yell in pain. I had heard Armando, who he mentioned, who is Vigil's best friend. I heard him yell for help. I heard our front of house guy yell for help. The only two people I didn't hear at all in this moment was him or Vigil. And so all I could think is my fucking, two of my friends are dead right now. Yeah. You know what I mean? Cause I couldn't see them. I couldn't hear them. Like we had no clue what was going on. And we're just like asking people who are like stopping, who were driving by stopping to help us for like, I was like asking, can you call my wife? Like, or at the time my fiancee, like there's no cell phone reception. They can't get, what's that?

Speaker 1:
[70:57] That was a terrible joke.

Speaker 2:
[71:00] But it was fucked. Like I didn't know what the fuck was going on. I thought my friends were dead.

Speaker 1:
[71:04] That's horrible.

Speaker 2:
[71:06] I couldn't comprehend what was going on. And my foot's like crumpled up into a ball. And like, I just like, I can't walk. Like my body's going to shock. So I'm sitting outside in like 80 degree weather, but like shivering uncontrollably. It was like, it was fucked man.

Speaker 1:
[71:18] And you're Zen, sorry, carry on.

Speaker 3:
[71:21] No, it was, but it was like shock Zen. I was only Zen because I was in complete...

Speaker 2:
[71:28] If I don't go into Zen, I'm not going to make it out of this.

Speaker 1:
[71:30] You must have been so close to death.

Speaker 3:
[71:32] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[71:32] For your body to just like...

Speaker 2:
[71:34] He was so close to death at multiple points throughout this whole scenario.

Speaker 1:
[71:38] Yeah, sorry, we got sidetracked. So carry on. So Zen in and out of consciousness.

Speaker 3:
[71:44] Yeah. And then however much time passed, I heard people yelling. Like he said, I could hear things. I didn't know who was what. I didn't know who was left. I was just laying there, just waiting. And then next thing I know, it took... I'm a big dude and it took several people to get me... They put me on like a backboard and they carried me. It was a little bit of a decline, like a little tiny slant. And I just heard... Helicopter come down. So they put me on there. And I literally was like a fucking black hawk down or something. Like I literally, the pilot was just like, you're gonna be all right. And like put the mask on me. And I started breathing on that on the backboard and I just was out 10 days later. From the chopper to the hospital.

Speaker 1:
[72:35] But you can remember that, the chopper.

Speaker 3:
[72:36] I remember it vividly, yeah. Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 1:
[72:39] So crazy.

Speaker 3:
[72:40] Yeah. So in a coma, they bring you, it's essentially bringing you like an inch above death. It is just the closest you can be to death, but controlled. You can imagine that's some intense shit they put you on. So coming out of that.

Speaker 1:
[72:57] Hit me, hit me. What?

Speaker 3:
[72:58] Right.

Speaker 1:
[72:59] Can you remember any of it?

Speaker 3:
[73:00] Yeah, I had fucking crazy, crazy, weird dreams that.

Speaker 2:
[73:06] I had a dream about us, like, cause the Botoclon thing with Eos of Death Metal happened like a week or two before this. And we had played at the Botoclon only a couple weeks before that.

Speaker 3:
[73:17] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[73:18] And there was something about you, like, thinking that it was us that was in that shooting, right?

Speaker 3:
[73:21] Someone told me I woke up and I was like, did ISIS do this to us?

Speaker 1:
[73:28] I'm sorry.

Speaker 3:
[73:29] I swear to God.

Speaker 2:
[73:34] It's crazy on paper, for sure.

Speaker 3:
[73:41] You did not expect that to come out of my mouth, did you?

Speaker 1:
[73:46] I'm on like close to tears where how sad this fucking story is. And then you hit me with that. And it's objectively very funny. Oh my god, I don't know if the tears are from the story or the ISIS. Anyway, carry on.

Speaker 3:
[74:12] So that's what coma will do to you.

Speaker 2:
[74:14] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[74:15] Right, so, because I had these dreams that there were like people just walking around just killing all my friends. Like, they felt real.

Speaker 2:
[74:24] I mean, our guitar tech had, he was in a coma also, and he just had dreams where he vividly remembered his doctor, his surgeon trying to kill him. So weird. Because of all the fucking meds they put you on and shit.

Speaker 1:
[74:36] How do we know that was a dream?

Speaker 2:
[74:37] I mean, to be fair, we don't know.

Speaker 1:
[74:39] Doctors these days.

Speaker 2:
[74:40] We don't know, I guess. That's fair.

Speaker 1:
[74:42] Basing that on completely nothing.

Speaker 2:
[74:44] I know.

Speaker 1:
[74:47] Just wanted to stir something up. We get a comment that's like, Doctor here. Actually, yeah, I try and kill loads of my versions.

Speaker 3:
[74:53] By the way, that happened a lot in our field.

Speaker 1:
[74:55] I watch too many fucking movies. Doctors these days. Okay, so you're in the coma. You come out of the coma.

Speaker 3:
[75:05] Yeah, and I'm not kidding you. This is insane.

Speaker 1:
[75:10] More insane than did ISIS do this.

Speaker 2:
[75:11] Yes, it is.

Speaker 3:
[75:12] The first thing I said when I came out of a coma was, get me a Pepsi.

Speaker 1:
[75:19] Stat. Stat, with stat.

Speaker 2:
[75:22] Quote. That's real life.

Speaker 1:
[75:25] Give me a Pepsi stat.

Speaker 3:
[75:27] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[75:27] Do you like Pepsi?

Speaker 3:
[75:28] I fucking love Pepsi.

Speaker 2:
[75:31] I kind of wish you would have said no, I fucking hate it.

Speaker 3:
[75:33] Big Pepsi fan, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[75:35] Evidently.

Speaker 3:
[75:36] Yeah. First thing I said coming out of a coma was get me a Pepsi stat. Jesus Christ. My mom and dad were right there to corroborate the story.

Speaker 2:
[75:45] They probably fucking love that, to be honest with you.

Speaker 3:
[75:47] And takes a couple of days to come out of that. And I was there unknowingly for I think two or three days, not knowing it was gone. I didn't know.

Speaker 1:
[75:57] So what, are you like hanging out?

Speaker 3:
[75:59] Yeah, so I'm like in the hospital bed, like so just like, you know, coming out of the coma medicine that I'm like, just laying there, you know, high as fuck basically.

Speaker 1:
[76:13] Is there conversations happening with people?

Speaker 3:
[76:16] Yeah, I barely remember them, but like I have-

Speaker 1:
[76:19] Remember Pepsi, there's a Pepsi conversation.

Speaker 3:
[76:21] How insane is that? That's the first fucking thing I thought of. That's crazy. Pepsi, what's up?

Speaker 2:
[76:25] Priorities.

Speaker 3:
[76:25] So, yeah, so-

Speaker 1:
[76:27] No offense. Kind of a shitty drink to like-

Speaker 3:
[76:31] I like it. I don't know, I like Pepsi.

Speaker 1:
[76:33] I was about to die. Fuck, I nearly missed Pepsi.

Speaker 3:
[76:37] I'm a simple man.

Speaker 1:
[76:39] No, it's fine. It's fine.

Speaker 3:
[76:40] It's fine.

Speaker 1:
[76:40] Carry on.

Speaker 3:
[76:41] Yeah. So once I finally got out of- they're coherent again. They told me. I think it was- I don't know if it was my mom or my dad. I think it was one of them that said that they had to take the leg. And I just remember like not allowing some- again, some sort of like fight or flight thing or maybe stubbornness or something just made me not accept that. It made me accept it but say, well, it's not going to stop me. I think that I just immediately went into a mindset of, don't look back at that. Just figure out how to-

Speaker 1:
[77:29] But you did accept it straight away, but it was more of just like- I'm sorry, you saying your own words.

Speaker 3:
[77:34] You're right. That's exactly what it was like. It was more like just, okay, give me my phone. And I was like, musicians who've lost limbs, disabled.

Speaker 1:
[77:44] Immediately.

Speaker 3:
[77:45] Immediately. Yeah. Obviously, I knew, like when they told me that I obviously, and I'm sure anyone would say it as the first one that comes to mind is Rick Allen, you know, who I did end up connecting with.

Speaker 2:
[77:58] Psychotic.

Speaker 1:
[77:59] IRL.

Speaker 2:
[78:00] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[78:00] Yes. There's a photo of me and him.

Speaker 2:
[78:01] You reached out to him over social media, I think first, right?

Speaker 3:
[78:04] Yeah, we chatted on like Twitter DMs or something.

Speaker 1:
[78:07] For anyone that doesn't know, Rick Allen, Def Leppard, lost his, I believe he lost his arm in-

Speaker 2:
[78:14] His right arm, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[78:15] In a car accident. Was it a car accident?

Speaker 2:
[78:17] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[78:17] It was a car accident.

Speaker 2:
[78:18] Yeah. But then we did Copenhell in 2020-

Speaker 3:
[78:22] 2022? 3.

Speaker 2:
[78:23] 3.

Speaker 3:
[78:24] Yep.

Speaker 2:
[78:24] And they were one of the headliners. And we were able to- Our drum tech, I think, actually went up to someone in their crew. It was like, hey-

Speaker 3:
[78:30] I actually think it was Nick.

Speaker 2:
[78:31] Was it? Oh, our guitar tech. It was like, hey, our drummer is an amputee. They've talked before. Can you set up a time for them to meet? And Rick took time out of his day to-

Speaker 3:
[78:40] He came right out.

Speaker 2:
[78:40] Yeah, to hang out with him.

Speaker 1:
[78:41] Of course he fucking did.

Speaker 3:
[78:43] The man, the man. Which was very fucking cool of him to do. He didn't have to do that, but I think that he remembered talking to me and it was cool to actually just, he asked how I'm doing and how it's been going. You look great, all that stuff. We chatted a minute, got a photo.

Speaker 1:
[78:59] That's cool.

Speaker 2:
[79:00] Super cool.

Speaker 3:
[79:00] Super cool. So yeah, I just was like, okay, it happened. I'm gonna just figure it out. I'm not gonna wallow in pity.

Speaker 1:
[79:11] And you didn't. And you're like, I watched a video earlier on because I was like, let me just have a little deep dive on these guys, just check what they're up to. Bro, you're so tight, like tighter than me. And I got two legs.

Speaker 3:
[79:22] Oh, that is not true.

Speaker 1:
[79:23] I got two legs, mate.

Speaker 3:
[79:25] I'm not tighter than you, bro.

Speaker 1:
[79:26] You're like one of them slowing me fucking down watching your videos.

Speaker 3:
[79:30] You're so humble.

Speaker 1:
[79:31] This guy's cheating.

Speaker 3:
[79:33] Yeah, he's cheating.

Speaker 1:
[79:33] There's less to move.

Speaker 3:
[79:36] All right, I love that.

Speaker 1:
[79:37] We're friends. I can make it.

Speaker 3:
[79:41] He can say that.

Speaker 1:
[79:42] But you're fucking killing it.

Speaker 3:
[79:44] Appreciate it, man. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[79:45] It's like you wouldn't know if you were in the crowd, you wouldn't fucking know.

Speaker 2:
[79:49] I said earlier that his dad saved the band with like figuring out the hammer thing. But it's like it's that's obviously a massive part of it, right? But like his like unwillingness to not let it beat him like that is really what saved it. Because like, so I went in to see him in the hospital and he was still in a coma. And at that point, his parents were still like, we don't know what's going to happen. I think that at that point, they knew that he was going to lose a leg, right? But I think for the sake of like my mental health, they were trying to give me a little bit of hope to keep fighting, right? And I went in to see him and he was still out and I could, I mean, it's graphic to say, like I could smell his leg dying in front of me. Like I could tell, they didn't say to me, but I could tell it was going to go, just based on being in the room with him, right? And when I got the text that he was going in for surgery to lose his leg, my immediate thought was, fuck, I hate that for him. That's also the end of the band. Like I immediately, as you would, yeah, I just immediately, it's never been done. Right, the band's just done. And I had already started the process of accepting that. So yes, his dad coming up with the idea for The Hammer, like save the band, his determination to not let this situation stop him from doing this, that's what really saved the band. Because his dad could have come up with that all day long, but if he wasn't willing to figure out how to make it work, like there's no way this band was coming back. Like that is, the combination of those two things is what saved this band for sure. Hands down, hands down.

Speaker 1:
[81:24] The combo. It's fucking, I'm so sorry it happened to you guys. And there was like, I was talking about it the other day, it was like the two that stick out in my head of people that I know or have toured with, obviously there's been more, but like the decapitated bus crash in 2006. And then you guys had 2016? 2015. 2015. It's just, and obviously Metallica, but in my...

Speaker 2:
[81:54] People that are in your circle, yeah. Oh, right.

Speaker 1:
[81:56] Like, and I'm sure there's more that I've fucking forgotten, but because it's, but it's those two in particular, and then in particular yours is like, I've never felt comfortable on a bus again. Sure. Like, how do you guys deal with that?

Speaker 2:
[82:11] I mean, I think for me, I've just accepted how freak of an accident it is. And it's like, I try to think about it as like, you know, they say lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice, which obviously it fucking can, there's always a chance of that, right? But I just accept how fucking freak of an incident it was. And I just accept that it's highly unlikely that it'll happen to us again. Now, we did have a situation.

Speaker 3:
[82:37] We had another scare.

Speaker 2:
[82:38] Oh yeah, we got in another minor bus accident.

Speaker 3:
[82:40] Two falls ago?

Speaker 2:
[82:41] Two years ago. That-

Speaker 1:
[82:43] What happened?

Speaker 2:
[82:44] We had a double driver in Europe that was a fucking dipshit. Driving-

Speaker 1:
[82:49] Wonder if it was the same guy.

Speaker 2:
[82:51] Driving through a construction zone and hit something and like swerved real hard. And like him and I were across the hall from each other in the bunks.

Speaker 3:
[82:58] We both whipped our curbs open.

Speaker 2:
[83:00] We thought we were dying again.

Speaker 3:
[83:01] And I literally had a mo- I did genuinely have a moment that I said, it's fucking happening again.

Speaker 2:
[83:06] Yep, but-

Speaker 3:
[83:07] A split second of that.

Speaker 2:
[83:08] Yep, but I've just accepted that like it's such a freak accident. It would be almost fucking impossible for it to happen again.

Speaker 1:
[83:16] How about you?

Speaker 3:
[83:16] Yeah, same. And if it does, it better take me out this time.

Speaker 2:
[83:19] That's the other side too. If it's gonna happen again, just kill me this time.

Speaker 1:
[83:21] Your dad can make something.

Speaker 3:
[83:23] Make an indestructible bus.

Speaker 1:
[83:25] Your dad bringing you fucking back to life.

Speaker 3:
[83:29] Yeah, like, no, for real though.

Speaker 1:
[83:31] He's still gonna play. He's fucking dead. Yeah, I made a robot exoskeleton.

Speaker 3:
[83:37] I am a head. I'm just consciousness, like the movie Transcendence.

Speaker 1:
[83:42] But you don't. I mean, do you have trauma from it? Because I feel like my trauma would be getting on a bus again. But you seem quite cool with it.

Speaker 2:
[83:50] You know, I don't know if it's like stubbornness, but it's like I can survive a bus accident. You know what it was for me for up until maybe a year ago was fucking flying, which never in my life before that you will die.

Speaker 1:
[84:03] You're 100 percent guaranteed to die. Yeah, now it doesn't are you got kids?

Speaker 2:
[84:08] I got kids. No, I've got kids. I got a wife and it's the not being in control. And I guess I know that sounds crazy where I should be scared of the bus because I've been through a horrific situation like that. But I feel like it's this weird part of me. It's like, well, you've already lived through it once. Like you'll be fine. A plane goes down, I'm fucking dead no matter what.

Speaker 1:
[84:29] This is why I'm doing, what about you? You got trauma from it? You know, I obviously I haven't got a leg. That's some trauma.

Speaker 3:
[84:36] Yeah, the only thing I don't have is a leg. No, I don't know what it is, man. I just, all I know is that I didn't want, I wasn't going to let my dream that I'm currently living still today be done because of something unless I want it to be done. Sure. So, being on a tour bus is part of the dream and I'm not done. And I didn't want to be done. And it was as simple as that for me to just be like, one day at a time, figure this out and then get back out there. And I don't know if it's more complicated than that. That's really my thought process behind it.

Speaker 1:
[85:18] It really seems like you both mentally quite well. Oh, like.

Speaker 2:
[85:23] Probably better than we should be to some extent.

Speaker 1:
[85:25] That's what I'm saying. In my head, I'd be like, nah, that'd be it. I'm not doing it fucking ever again.

Speaker 3:
[85:29] I think maybe I wouldn't.

Speaker 1:
[85:31] Maybe it takes, maybe I'm more scared than you now because I didn't live through it to get on a bus.

Speaker 3:
[85:37] You would never know until it happened. You would never know. You don't think about it and then it happens. And then you, one thing too, swear to God is the outpouring of support.

Speaker 2:
[85:47] Oh, that was a huge part of it.

Speaker 3:
[85:49] From everyone.

Speaker 2:
[85:49] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[85:50] We made you a song.

Speaker 2:
[85:51] You did.

Speaker 3:
[85:52] You guys made a song.

Speaker 2:
[85:53] You did, it fucking was awesome.

Speaker 3:
[85:54] Thank you for doing it.

Speaker 1:
[85:55] It's my first stray song.

Speaker 3:
[85:56] I cried.

Speaker 2:
[85:56] No shit.

Speaker 3:
[85:57] No way, really.

Speaker 2:
[85:57] Well, thank you for doing that. That was shit.

Speaker 1:
[86:00] It was programmed around us.

Speaker 2:
[86:01] But shit like that, it was a huge part of what helped us get through. I cried. Like legitimately.

Speaker 3:
[86:07] Yeah, and seeing all of our peers that like donated, I think, Bring Me the Rise and donated like 10 grand to our GoFundMe because they said they wanted eyes on it. They want people to be aware of what happened. And it did. And it helped. It helped, especially Vigil cover, like, I mean, a million plus in hospital bills. What the fuck? Like, the support we had. Epitaphs stopped just like they just, they just made all of the royalties go like, go to us for a long time.

Speaker 2:
[86:41] They did that from the time of the accident, all the way up to like a month before the comeback record came out. And they just were like, yeah, you guys need it right now.

Speaker 3:
[86:50] What label does that, dude? Like that kind of support in a community coming together, like fucking literally made it go. Well, if I wasn't already just like, I want to do it for myself enough, I got to fucking do it.

Speaker 2:
[87:02] Right.

Speaker 3:
[87:02] We got to do it.

Speaker 2:
[87:03] Yeah, for everyone that's in our corner.

Speaker 3:
[87:04] For everyone that's pushing for it. And man, that made a comeback.

Speaker 1:
[87:08] You also just got paid royalties for the first time.

Speaker 2:
[87:11] No joke.

Speaker 1:
[87:13] For a whole minute. Yeah, man, that was nice.

Speaker 2:
[87:15] Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3:
[87:16] It legit helped me like when I was able to drive again with the prosthetic leg, it helped me get like I did like a three-year lease on a Silverado until I would bought a car eventually. But because of Epitaph, solely, I was able to gain a massive part of my independence back by being able to like drive myself around as an adult again.

Speaker 1:
[87:40] Is there a moderation to the car or is it?

Speaker 3:
[87:43] Nope, it's the same. I just drive.

Speaker 1:
[87:44] I guess we're in America. It's fucking.

Speaker 3:
[87:46] Well, you know, they have a lot of mods. They have like hand controls where you can gas and brake. I was like, I don't want any of that.

Speaker 1:
[87:51] Motherfucker, I can play double kick. I don't need that.

Speaker 3:
[87:53] I just I just tuck the prosthetic and I drive with my left.

Speaker 1:
[87:58] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[87:59] So I just gas brake and here I am fucking up all the stuff again. Reframe, cut it. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1:
[88:05] Thought it was going to go pop.

Speaker 3:
[88:06] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1:
[88:08] That's crazy, bro.

Speaker 3:
[88:11] That's crazy.

Speaker 1:
[88:12] Drinks monster. Simon. No, leave that in. It's funny. You telling me this horrific story. I had my me just going, yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. How do you come out? I see you got two legs.

Speaker 2:
[88:36] I hate bringing it up because it's not like that. That was a deserve pop. I feel bad even bringing it up compared to like what he said, or even like any, any, like I have, my list of injuries is so minimal compared to like more than a half of our band and crew. Like I had two broken ankles and I shattered like my entire right foot and they had to like basically rebuild it.

Speaker 1:
[89:02] It still sucks.

Speaker 2:
[89:03] Oh no, don't get me wrong, it fucking sucks. But by comparison, like dude, I, I ran a 5k last year. Like I run for fun. Like I still have it in. What's that?

Speaker 3:
[89:13] crazy, man.

Speaker 1:
[89:14] My bad.

Speaker 2:
[89:15] I'm so sorry, brother. I'm so sorry. Please forgive me.

Speaker 3:
[89:17] We're old friends.

Speaker 1:
[89:18] We're old friends.

Speaker 3:
[89:18] We're old friends. How was your 5k?

Speaker 2:
[89:21] So I, I deserve that. I deserve that.

Speaker 3:
[89:26] I'm proud of you. It's good.

Speaker 2:
[89:27] Yeah, yeah. So broke both ankles. I mean, cause you know, you're fucking laying feet first when you come to a hard stop, you fucking slide into the front, you know? So broke both ankles, shattered my right foot, broken ribs, like you climb out of that thing, and then you like walk on these broken ankles.

Speaker 3:
[89:44] Oh yeah, dude. You said your foot was like crumpled up.

Speaker 2:
[89:47] My right foot was fucking, dude, that's crazy.

Speaker 1:
[89:50] This is horrible. I'm gonna have nightmares.

Speaker 2:
[89:53] I had a break in my foot that it's called a Lis Frank fracture, and it's named after one of Napoleon's generals. And it's what used to happen to soldiers when they would fight on horseback, when their horse would flip over and their foot would get caught in the stirrup and bend their foot in half. My foot folded in half at some point in the accident.

Speaker 3:
[90:11] I thought it meant Lisa Frank. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2:
[90:15] Not that one either. No, it's the less popular Frank. Yeah, dude, it sucked. I'm not gonna act like it didn't suck. I was fully wheelchair bound for months. It fucking sucked. I had to learn to walk again. It wasn't fun, but when I think about what he had to go through like what like Zach had like 16 hours of surgery on his pelvis alone. Like they like they like pieced back together, like shattered glass, tiny little pieces of bone in Zach's pelvis.

Speaker 1:
[90:46] Where was Zach on the bus?

Speaker 3:
[90:47] He was he was across the hall from me and not a lot of I wonder if like not a lot of people know that Zach lost like half of his foot.

Speaker 1:
[90:55] Yeah, he is the first time I ever met him.

Speaker 2:
[90:59] Did he show it to you?

Speaker 1:
[91:00] Show it to me immediately. We used to do I feel like Zach hates me. Does Zach hate me?

Speaker 2:
[91:04] Brother, before I joined the band, I thought Zach fucking hated me too.

Speaker 3:
[91:07] He's just stone faced.

Speaker 1:
[91:09] I mean, I saw him with half a foot about six months after an accident.

Speaker 2:
[91:13] Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3:
[91:15] We would do something called a nub rub.

Speaker 1:
[91:18] OK, OK. So is a category on born hub?

Speaker 2:
[91:22] Well, it is now.

Speaker 3:
[91:23] It could. It was a nub rub. So his his foot, the little like piece that's cut out, perfect shape for my nub.

Speaker 1:
[91:31] Really? Just goes to slots in there.

Speaker 2:
[91:32] Oh, yeah. Puzzle piece.

Speaker 3:
[91:33] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[91:33] Like a fucking some sort of power rangers adorable.

Speaker 2:
[91:37] And Vigil's buddy, Armand, who was on the bus with us, lost some toes. He calls that foot choppy.

Speaker 3:
[91:42] He calls that one choppy.

Speaker 2:
[91:43] And he would get in on a nub rub. And so it would be a three way nub rub.

Speaker 1:
[91:46] Three way nub rub.

Speaker 3:
[91:48] And also everything's fine.

Speaker 2:
[91:52] It's these psychotic things that we do to get through this kind of shit together.

Speaker 1:
[91:55] Yeah, I know. I mean, it's a testament to like... It's gonna sound cheesy, but like musicians just want to make music.

Speaker 2:
[92:04] Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1:
[92:05] I think any other profession on earth would be like, maybe enough of this. Okay, yeah. This profession nearly killed me.

Speaker 2:
[92:13] I'm out.

Speaker 1:
[92:14] Gonna stop.

Speaker 3:
[92:15] You know, we were nowhere near done.

Speaker 2:
[92:18] Even after all of that, I still love this shit just as much as I did when I got into it as a teenager. Like, I have no desire to stop. I just don't.

Speaker 3:
[92:26] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[92:27] At all.

Speaker 3:
[92:28] I think I love it more.

Speaker 1:
[92:29] Well, I don't have a band, guys, so rub that in.

Speaker 2:
[92:32] You want to join our band?

Speaker 1:
[92:33] You've had an accident, but I don't have a band.

Speaker 3:
[92:36] You got to turn it around.

Speaker 2:
[92:37] We'll be the first metal-chord band with two drummers. You want to join?

Speaker 3:
[92:39] Oh, wow.

Speaker 1:
[92:42] I was gonna say, I'll do right foot, you do left foot. But you don't even need me. You don't need me. Do you think if it was the left foot?

Speaker 3:
[92:50] I do think it would be easier.

Speaker 1:
[92:51] Yeah, it would be so much easier, wouldn't it?

Speaker 3:
[92:53] Yeah, because the right's the dominant.

Speaker 1:
[92:54] Right, it's like, it's-

Speaker 3:
[92:56] That again, who the fuck knows? What if, because it's my left and I'm not as dominant with it, it was like way harder? I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[93:03] Hypothetical. Absolutely morbid hypothetical.

Speaker 3:
[93:07] Right, hit me.

Speaker 1:
[93:08] Leg or arm?

Speaker 3:
[93:10] You know what? I have a really good friend. His name is Jason Barnes. He plays drums with an arm.

Speaker 1:
[93:17] Is that a Soy?

Speaker 3:
[93:18] That is.

Speaker 1:
[93:20] What's his app?

Speaker 3:
[93:21] CybernetX.

Speaker 1:
[93:22] CybernetX, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[93:24] He has a non-profit called Limitless Foundation, and their whole goal is to support underinsured or not insured amputees disabled to play music, get instruments. It's fucking incredible.

Speaker 2:
[93:40] He's a legend.

Speaker 3:
[93:41] Our friend, Matt Bankston, they run it together. We actually did some content at Pearl that will be coming pretty soon. When I watch him play with one arm and a device that he made, he made a device on his arm that has like a stick with a, it looks like, it's like a pedal, like a pedal spring. And when he does this, it gives it like-

Speaker 1:
[94:02] I've seen it, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[94:04] And he can play like that. Dude, it's fucking awesome. So I would rather have the leg.

Speaker 1:
[94:09] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[94:09] Yeah. I, I, I can't imagine how it is to play drums with, because it starts with your arms, doesn't it? I would, I actually had never asked. I want to ask Jason that. What would you rather swap? Right.

Speaker 2:
[94:27] Hey buddy, you want to try swapping for a day?

Speaker 1:
[94:28] Dude, there's no way he says yes, because he's overcome it, and you've overcome it, and you can't comprehend the other person.

Speaker 2:
[94:35] Right.

Speaker 1:
[94:35] He has a non-profit that's for specifically helping people get into music.

Speaker 3:
[94:40] It's called Limitless. You can look it up. He is doing very cool things. He's super, super smart and driven to do it. It's literally all self-funded, and just the fucking man.

Speaker 1:
[94:52] Yeah, here's what I want to do, and I want you, I'm going to tell you, because I want you to hold me to it. This pearl pedal fucking thing, whatever it is, assuming it goes on sale. I'm assuming it's going to go on sale. I want to buy one of those for someone.

Speaker 2:
[95:08] That would be awesome.

Speaker 3:
[95:08] I think we can do that. I think we can do some cool things.

Speaker 1:
[95:11] So whenever it comes out, but I don't want some guy to pretend like, I ain't got a leg. And it ends up he has got a fucking leg. So I want you to hit me up. If you get someone to come to you or anything like that, and it's available, I would like to do that for someone. On behalf of The Downbeat and the fucking Patreon.

Speaker 3:
[95:30] Yes, I love that.

Speaker 1:
[95:31] Do you want to have another shot?

Speaker 3:
[95:33] I'm down.

Speaker 1:
[95:34] Cheers. I haven't drank this much on a podcast in so long. We're very compress mentus.

Speaker 2:
[95:43] Paper cut, paper cut, paper cut.

Speaker 4:
[95:44] Paper cut.

Speaker 1:
[95:46] Oh, I didn't do the paper cut.

Speaker 2:
[95:46] God damn it, Craig. Ruin the moment.

Speaker 1:
[95:50] And that made it really nice.

Speaker 2:
[95:51] Thank you, Monster. Also, thank you, Aaron Gillespie.

Speaker 1:
[95:54] Aaron Gillespie and Monster coming in clutch there.

Speaker 3:
[95:57] And thank you, Downbeat, for having us.

Speaker 2:
[95:58] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[95:59] I've been wanting to do this.

Speaker 1:
[96:00] This has felt like 10 minutes, and it's been two hours.

Speaker 3:
[96:03] I can't believe it's been two hours. I wanna keep going, but we...

Speaker 1:
[96:05] I mean, we can keep going.

Speaker 3:
[96:06] We gotta sleep, I know.

Speaker 1:
[96:08] You have to sleep, but you actually turned up early. It's midnight. Let me check my notes for the first time.

Speaker 2:
[96:13] It doesn't feel like that.

Speaker 3:
[96:14] Yeah, check your notes.

Speaker 1:
[96:15] For the first time in all episodes.

Speaker 2:
[96:16] Professional podcaster over here.

Speaker 3:
[96:17] Love it.

Speaker 1:
[96:18] I mean, eagle-eyed viewers will see that I had an iPad for this last week, and I forgot to bring it. You wanna just be fun for a bit?

Speaker 2:
[96:26] Sure.

Speaker 3:
[96:26] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[96:26] Because we talked a little bit about movies. I fucking love movies. I sort of wish this was a movie podcast, but what I like about it is it's not, and I can just talk to musicians about it.

Speaker 3:
[96:35] And it'll end up lending itself.

Speaker 2:
[96:37] I feel like all of us love movies, too. So I feel like it's an easy topic to bring up with anybody who plays in a band.

Speaker 1:
[96:42] I think it's like an appreciated second art form that I could never do. But yeah, I feel like, yeah, they're my boys.

Speaker 2:
[96:50] I could probably do it.

Speaker 1:
[96:51] Chris Nolan is my boy. We're the same. No, I'm the best. I do what he does, but music, yeah?

Speaker 3:
[96:57] I'm the best actor no one knows.

Speaker 1:
[96:58] You fucking are, though.

Speaker 2:
[97:00] Alan, I wish.

Speaker 1:
[97:01] What happened to that? Were you going to do a sketch show at some point?

Speaker 2:
[97:04] I was going to say he, I think he got rid of it.

Speaker 1:
[97:07] I did.

Speaker 2:
[97:08] He had a sketch YouTube channel for a little bit before the accident and he got rid of it, which bones me out because it was fucking awesome.

Speaker 1:
[97:15] I have pages of sketches in my notes app.

Speaker 3:
[97:17] Because it was not, as our friend Adam would say, it was not good.

Speaker 2:
[97:20] It was, it was, it was good.

Speaker 3:
[97:22] I did it in, we had, it was a weird pocket of downtime for the band. I always find these other things to do and we have a lot of downtime just to, so I can not go insane.

Speaker 1:
[97:34] But that was pre-extreme downtime.

Speaker 2:
[97:37] Oh yeah.

Speaker 3:
[97:37] It was like right before it, actually. It was that like late summer before it.

Speaker 1:
[97:42] Some say it was the catalyst.

Speaker 3:
[97:43] That's right.

Speaker 2:
[97:43] Some say. We probably deserved it, huh?

Speaker 3:
[97:46] Good pop.

Speaker 1:
[97:48] We're getting a pop.

Speaker 2:
[97:49] Good pop.

Speaker 1:
[97:49] We got a good pop from Madison as well. I'm actually pulling out my notes, but I do have a whole entire notes folder of sketches. If you ever want to restart this.

Speaker 2:
[98:02] You should.

Speaker 1:
[98:03] I have like.

Speaker 2:
[98:03] I would fucking love to see the two of you do sketches together.

Speaker 3:
[98:06] Maybe we should just do it.

Speaker 1:
[98:07] Here's my issue with it, because I've genuinely thought about it.

Speaker 3:
[98:09] You got the cameras.

Speaker 1:
[98:11] I know I've got the cameras, but here's the problem. And here's where I think someone like, do you like, I think you should leave.

Speaker 2:
[98:16] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[98:17] Obviously. Yeah. Because it's the best. It's the best current sketch show for fucking ever.

Speaker 2:
[98:23] It's amazing.

Speaker 3:
[98:24] good.

Speaker 1:
[98:25] But like, here's why it works. They don't look like us. They look like normal people. A lot of my sketches rely on not looking like me. And I've stupidly made myself look like this.

Speaker 2:
[98:37] But if you think about it, Tim Robinson's not in all of those sketches. You just find people to do them. And you just direct it.

Speaker 1:
[98:43] That's true. But majority of them are him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He kills it.

Speaker 2:
[98:49] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[98:49] Like I've got shit about a yoga teacher and shit like that. But I don't have that look. And I don't trust anyone else to pull it off like a...

Speaker 3:
[98:56] I think you just do it. And just unironically lean into it. And the elephant in the room is that you do look put together, fit, handsome, tattooed, swaggy.

Speaker 2:
[99:08] Look at that.

Speaker 3:
[99:08] That's right.

Speaker 1:
[99:09] Really nice.

Speaker 2:
[99:10] Really what was happening right now was brother was fishing for compliments.

Speaker 1:
[99:13] He got all of them in one. I wasn't fishing at all.

Speaker 2:
[99:15] He got all of them in one.

Speaker 3:
[99:17] But I think you just do it anyway.

Speaker 1:
[99:20] I'm going to send you my sketch notes and you can give me notes. Some of them I think are really fucking funny. And I've been writing these for like five years.

Speaker 3:
[99:27] Oh, I love it. Okay. You are a funny motherfucker.

Speaker 2:
[99:29] You are.

Speaker 3:
[99:30] So it would be funny.

Speaker 1:
[99:31] Dude, coming from you.

Speaker 2:
[99:33] You know what pops up in my Instagram feed every now and then is you on Seth Meyers. And you making John Oliver crack up. And I love it so much.

Speaker 3:
[99:43] You were so quick.

Speaker 2:
[99:45] I love it so much.

Speaker 3:
[99:46] When you gave like the joke back right away, it's like you were the house drummer.

Speaker 1:
[99:51] Do you want to know the backstory?

Speaker 3:
[99:53] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[99:53] Because there's a cut there.

Speaker 2:
[99:56] Did you know? Oh, okay.

Speaker 1:
[99:57] So no, and the cut isn't the joke. This is what's funny. Okay. So the night before I'm doing night one of Seth Meyers, bear in mind, there's only, I think there's maybe like 10 out of 100 or so, no, I don't know, maybe 10% of the drummers that were on there ever got a guest to speak to them. And in two, I did two weeks, one week in 2022 and one in 2023, and I got a guest both times to speak to me, which is fucking crazy.

Speaker 3:
[100:26] That's sick.

Speaker 1:
[100:27] Did it twice.

Speaker 3:
[100:28] That's sick.

Speaker 1:
[100:29] One of like three people did it twice. Because I fucking nailed it the first time.

Speaker 3:
[100:34] That's a big deal.

Speaker 1:
[100:35] Okay, so the night before the first fucking show, and I've got no idea what's happening because you just turn up at 11 a.m. and they tell you on the day. And I get told, yep, you're going to learn the songs the morning of. You're going to actually write, you write the songs with the band at 11 a.m. That's sick. And then you play them in front of a live studio audience of four. So you actually get...

Speaker 2:
[100:59] That's sick.

Speaker 3:
[101:00] I would have a panic attack.

Speaker 1:
[101:01] Peacock Manic. But the guys are so fucking good.

Speaker 2:
[101:05] Oh, they're as professional as you can get.

Speaker 1:
[101:06] They're like so professional, so nice, that they're just like, okay, you want to do... We got this guest, and then you have an in-joke about the guest, and then someone goes, sounds like we should do like a smooth jazz intro because of the in-joke you just had. Or whatever, like a conversation. Maybe it's even just the guest's name. And someone says, oh, that sounds like a dinosaur. Let's make it fucking rock. And you'll be like, that's how it starts. You write it and that's it. Night before, I'm with Jesse Barnett from Sticks Your Guns in a bar, he's not drinking, straight edge, in New York because they just played Gramsci. And he's like, are you excited? And all this stuff. And I'm like, I'm fucking nervous. And he's like, who's the guest tomorrow? And I was like, it's John Oliver. And he goes, this is 24 hours before, he goes, what are you going to say if he asks you about the queen? He's the queen who just died. And I was like, there's no way he's going to ask me. And you get, yeah, but what would you say? And I was like, I don't know. I didn't know. And he fucking, yeah, I got a pop. I got a pop like immediately from Jesse. Cause I'm just talking myself. He was like, what are you going to say? I don't know. I didn't know. And he fucking popped. So then that was that. And then I'm on set the next day. We're filming. And what happens is you wrote the songs in the morning and they record them. And then while the guest is getting interviewed, they're playing you the song you're about to play. So you're not listening to the interview. They're playing you the song. And so I'm listening to the song that's going to take us to the ad break. And I'm listening to it and I look up and entire studio audience, John Oliver and Seth Meyers are all looking at me.

Speaker 2:
[102:45] That's my worst nightmare.

Speaker 1:
[102:47] And I pull out my ear because I've got my ears in listening to the song. And I'm like, all right. That to the entire NBC audience. And then John just delivers what he just said to me, but I didn't hear him again. And he goes, sorry for our loss. How do you feel about the Queen? And I went, and then my brain went, I fucking I was talking, I've got a line for this. I was talking to Jesse yesterday.

Speaker 3:
[103:14] It instantly went to it.

Speaker 1:
[103:15] It just literally, I don't know, I didn't know her.

Speaker 2:
[103:17] That's incredible.

Speaker 1:
[103:19] He popped, Seth popped, the whole fucking team popped. But there is a cut where I go, what? Because I don't know what they were up.

Speaker 3:
[103:28] Legit couldn't hear him.

Speaker 2:
[103:29] Is there a part of you that went, I should write sketches for SNL. I should write jokes for SNL after that. I made two SNL guys pop.

Speaker 1:
[103:35] Eric, the producer, who's now a close friend of mine, he's a drummer, he's a fucking metalhead, he's a great guy. He, like I was like, let's get me a line tomorrow. Like every day I was like, let's do this. And then there was one other line. The next time I did it, Tracy Morgan comes on stage, and then he's like fucking giving some shit to Seth. And then he's like, oh, me and Craig go way back.

Speaker 2:
[104:03] Tracy Morgan said that?

Speaker 1:
[104:04] Tracy Morgan.

Speaker 2:
[104:05] Insane, dude.

Speaker 1:
[104:06] And then Seth goes, oh, you know, Craig, the drummer? And he's like, yeah, we, what does he say? He says, we go, we go back like spinal cord, we go back in car seats. And then I said, have you still got that five of you on me?

Speaker 3:
[104:24] Amazing.

Speaker 1:
[104:25] And he was like, no, I'll pay you next week. And I said, you said that last week, right? Yeah, but-

Speaker 3:
[104:32] Fucking perfect.

Speaker 1:
[104:33] But because of-

Speaker 3:
[104:34] I don't think I saw that.

Speaker 1:
[104:35] No, so, but because of either, it was either mics or it really cut away from the interview, it got cut. It wasn't actually on there.

Speaker 3:
[104:44] So it didn't air?

Speaker 1:
[104:45] Yeah, it didn't air.

Speaker 3:
[104:46] Oh, that's amazing. But like, I can't, like, honestly, I don't think I could think that quickly.

Speaker 2:
[104:54] No way.

Speaker 3:
[104:55] If Tracy Morgan was riffing with me like that, I'd be like, ah.

Speaker 1:
[104:59] If it was a Tracy Morgan one, I will take the full credit for. If I hadn't had that chat with Jesse Barnett, I would have probably froze.

Speaker 2:
[105:06] Well, to be fair, it was still your idea though.

Speaker 1:
[105:09] No, but I don't think I would have got it like I got it.

Speaker 2:
[105:13] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[105:13] Because I remember thinking, much like you in that car crash, when you nearly died, I remember thinking.

Speaker 3:
[105:20] Yeah, compare it to that.

Speaker 2:
[105:21] It's totally the same thing.

Speaker 1:
[105:23] I remember thinking that, so when he goes, when he goes, we're all mates, everyone's cragging up. We're mates, we're mates, it's fine. When he said, sorry about our loss about the queen, I remember in my head, sorry that I fucking in any way related this.

Speaker 2:
[105:46] Oh no, you're totally fine. We're playing into the bit right now. You're fine.

Speaker 3:
[105:50] I was trying to get a pop. I'm just trying to get as many pops as I can.

Speaker 1:
[105:54] It got such a fucking pop. I remember vividly like it was a, not to make it sound anything like it, but it was like time slowed down, bro.

Speaker 2:
[106:05] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[106:06] It was like.

Speaker 3:
[106:07] I would think. I can relate.

Speaker 1:
[106:16] I'm gonna piss myself. My brain went, oh my God.

Speaker 3:
[106:21] Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1:
[106:22] I'm gonna say it. I'm going to say the thing that I said last night. And it was so crazy.

Speaker 3:
[106:28] But didn't it happen like that?

Speaker 1:
[106:30] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[106:30] And you pulled it right back.

Speaker 1:
[106:31] At the moment, I was like, please don't relate this to the thing.

Speaker 3:
[106:35] I don't think I would have like the wit to think that on my feet like that.

Speaker 1:
[106:39] Of course you would.

Speaker 3:
[106:40] I don't know, man.

Speaker 2:
[106:41] He would. He's the king of bits. He would.

Speaker 3:
[106:44] I don't know. He's downplaying it. No, I really do struggle with quickness like that.

Speaker 2:
[106:50] I'm not sure I agree with that.

Speaker 1:
[106:52] Not at all. Quick as fuck.

Speaker 3:
[106:55] No, I crush.

Speaker 1:
[106:55] Yeah, you crush. There was a few other funny moments on there, not to make this all about me. I do it. Anne Hathaway is like one of my old, old like, you know, like a child celebrity crush. Anne Hathaway was on the show. And Eric, the producer told her that the drummer that's filling in the band has a crush on you. And she fucking comes out and winks at me. And I'm playing, I'm playing rock beat one, fuck up immediately. On live TV, I'm going boom, boom. She comes out and winks at me like that. And I went, boom.

Speaker 2:
[107:32] Nope, game over.

Speaker 1:
[107:34] It was like someone shot me.

Speaker 2:
[107:37] Game over.

Speaker 1:
[107:37] It was fucking insane.

Speaker 3:
[107:39] I do that every night in our set.

Speaker 2:
[107:41] Well, he does.

Speaker 3:
[107:42] Cause of one leg.

Speaker 2:
[107:43] We give him a pass. We give him a pass.

Speaker 3:
[107:45] Just cause of the leg.

Speaker 1:
[107:46] You have such a pass. I don't have a pass. Sometimes my right leg's playing up, and I'm like, I've got no excuse.

Speaker 3:
[107:53] Dude, you posted the fucking, dude, the thing you posted the other day.

Speaker 4:
[107:59] The other day, the thing you posted.

Speaker 3:
[108:00] I can't wait to hear this. Did you see what he posted? I forget what beat you were playing. It was super sick. And then it just ends with him going, well, that was dumb.

Speaker 1:
[108:08] It was the blast beat thing.

Speaker 3:
[108:11] It was like, and then it just stopped and he goes, well, that was dumb.

Speaker 1:
[108:16] It was this song I was supposed to be learning and everyone was like, it was on stream and everyone was in the chat and I was like, should I learn the parts properly, blah, blah, blah. And then I was just like, shall I just blast beat over the whole song? And everyone went, yep. And I was like, I gotta do it.

Speaker 3:
[108:30] Made for a really fucking good clip.

Speaker 1:
[108:31] Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 2:
[108:32] I saw that one. That's good. Good pop.

Speaker 1:
[108:34] Good pop.

Speaker 3:
[108:35] Good pop. Got a good pop.

Speaker 1:
[108:37] Great fucking pop. What you got coming up? We might as well do some promotion. This has been delightful, by the way.

Speaker 2:
[108:44] It went by super quick.

Speaker 3:
[108:44] I knew it was gonna be fun, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[108:46] I don't know, what do we have coming up?

Speaker 3:
[108:48] We got a lot of like flying stuff.

Speaker 1:
[108:51] Yeah. I said that we were gonna talk about movies.

Speaker 2:
[108:55] Okay, we didn't even touch it at all.

Speaker 1:
[108:57] How could we get in here?

Speaker 3:
[108:59] Dude, I freaking love Castaway, man. I freaking love that shit. I love Idle Hands. Weird science.

Speaker 2:
[109:08] Maybe we step out and just let him talk about movies for a minute.

Speaker 3:
[109:11] Just like empty here and I'm just naming movies. Cross out? Wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 1:
[109:16] Tell me what you got coming up, then we'll do movies and then we'll stop.

Speaker 2:
[109:19] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[109:19] What?

Speaker 3:
[109:19] Sonic Temple in May. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[109:21] I'm gonna be there. We're gonna be there.

Speaker 2:
[109:23] Are you doing all the Danny Wimmer stuff this year? Wait, what?

Speaker 3:
[109:26] Are you every day of it?

Speaker 1:
[109:28] Downbeat's at Wimmer's this year.

Speaker 2:
[109:30] That's so sick. Are you doing episodes at it?

Speaker 1:
[109:32] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[109:33] That's cool.

Speaker 3:
[109:33] Where are the second to last day?

Speaker 2:
[109:35] Of Sonic Temple.

Speaker 3:
[109:36] With architects.

Speaker 1:
[109:36] Oh my God, what a day.

Speaker 2:
[109:38] With the techs.

Speaker 1:
[109:39] I'm taking the day off.

Speaker 3:
[109:40] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[109:41] To be with the boys.

Speaker 3:
[109:42] Yep. So we're there that day. What else? We got Warped Tour.

Speaker 2:
[109:45] Yeah. So a lot of this year is just about writing. Like we're like so overdue for a record. So we do have, our year's pretty light this year, on purpose, just so we can focus on a record. But yeah, we do Sonic Temple. We have a festival in Quebec, Festival Olac or something like that. It's us and Ginger and a bunch of, it's actually a really sick lineup. That's in June. And then the following weekend, we do Warped Tour in DC. And then we do Warped Tour in California. And then we fly right over to do like the August festival circuit in Europe.

Speaker 1:
[110:16] Oh, the good one.

Speaker 3:
[110:17] We haven't, is it fun? We've never done it.

Speaker 1:
[110:20] I mean, they're both good.

Speaker 3:
[110:21] Why did I say that British?

Speaker 1:
[110:23] And why did I say the good one when they're both good? Your accent is so good.

Speaker 3:
[110:30] Why do I go, is it fun? But I go, is it fun? Like American.

Speaker 1:
[110:35] Your accent is so good. That's so funny. We got an August, Full Force.

Speaker 2:
[110:40] So Full Force is gone, I think. It's done. Which is a bummer.

Speaker 3:
[110:44] We got Summer Breeze.

Speaker 2:
[110:45] I think it's gone for good.

Speaker 1:
[110:47] Summer Breeze, great.

Speaker 2:
[110:48] Brutal Assault?

Speaker 3:
[110:50] Yes, I think so.

Speaker 1:
[110:51] Great.

Speaker 2:
[110:52] There's a couple in there I know I'm forgetting, which I feel really bad about.

Speaker 1:
[110:54] You still work your shit. Bloodstock, is that in there?

Speaker 2:
[110:57] We're not doing Bloodstock.

Speaker 3:
[110:58] Unfortunately, not Bloodstock, no.

Speaker 2:
[110:59] There's something we're doing in the Czech Republic the same day. There's a conflict. We tried to make it work, it didn't work out.

Speaker 1:
[111:05] They're all good.

Speaker 2:
[111:06] It's all good stuff. So we've done the June, July one a million times and never done any of the late July into August ones before. So we're like, fuck it, we'll go rock those.

Speaker 3:
[111:20] For the record, the June circuit rock and ring download, my favorite thing in life to do in a band ever.

Speaker 1:
[111:29] It's the one thing I miss the most.

Speaker 3:
[111:31] It's the most unbelievable experience.

Speaker 1:
[111:33] As long as you get them all. As long as you get them all. Isn't it fucking, I don't suppose you don't know, but sometimes Stray will do it and it's like, well, we didn't get an offer from Hellfest. I'm sorry, what?

Speaker 2:
[111:44] We didn't get Hellfest last year. Yeah, we-

Speaker 1:
[111:46] Neither did we. Right in the middle of it. We got a day off on a Friday.

Speaker 2:
[111:50] We were on a bunch of the same days together on a lot of the fest last summer. We didn't get Hellfest last year either.

Speaker 1:
[111:56] Why the fuck aren't-

Speaker 2:
[111:57] Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[111:58] Maybe they just, oh, a cool day.

Speaker 2:
[112:00] And-

Speaker 1:
[112:00] Guess what?

Speaker 2:
[112:01] And we didn't even make a thing about how we had to play during Slipknot when we played it in 2023.

Speaker 3:
[112:06] In 2023, we played directly during Slipknot.

Speaker 2:
[112:09] Literally, we were listening to the first three songs of Slipknot set, and then our intro started. We had to play during Slipknot.

Speaker 1:
[112:15] Are you sure of the first three?

Speaker 3:
[112:16] Less upset we had to compete with Slipknot, more upset that we couldn't watch them.

Speaker 1:
[112:20] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[112:20] That's the thing.

Speaker 1:
[112:21] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[112:21] Because I mean, that's a pinnacle to see them every time in Europe.

Speaker 1:
[112:26] Have you done Sonic Temple before?

Speaker 2:
[112:27] We did it for the first time in 2024.

Speaker 1:
[112:30] What do I have coming for me?

Speaker 2:
[112:32] Oh, it's fucking awesome.

Speaker 3:
[112:34] So fun.

Speaker 1:
[112:34] I've only done Louder out of the Whimmers. Oh my god, it's the best festival.

Speaker 2:
[112:39] As far as US festivals go, Danny Whimmers got it right. It's as close as it comes to doing a European style festival. Danny's got it figured out.

Speaker 3:
[112:47] If you loved Louder, you're gonna fucking love Sonic.

Speaker 1:
[112:50] That's what I said when I went to Louder. I was like, oh my god, this is like, I love Euro festivals. Love them to death.

Speaker 3:
[112:57] My favorite thing on Earth is Whimmer.

Speaker 1:
[112:59] And I went to Louder and I was like, this is like someone went to a Euro festival and went, this is awesome.

Speaker 2:
[113:06] Right.

Speaker 3:
[113:06] Finally.

Speaker 1:
[113:06] These things, we could change a bit.

Speaker 2:
[113:10] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[113:10] And I was just like, oh my god, it's perfect. Like the distance between everything.

Speaker 3:
[113:14] We are just so lucky and happy to be involved with any of them because of, dude, it's just such a fucking fun time.

Speaker 2:
[113:22] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[113:22] All of our friends are always there. You know you're going to have it doesn't matter. It's like having like like a hometown arena where there's not a bad seat in the house. You're going to have a good set. It doesn't matter what stage, what time it's so fun.

Speaker 1:
[113:36] It's kind of crazy that the Eurofest had this on lock for so long until, and it's just still kind of just Annie Wimmer.

Speaker 2:
[113:47] It's pretty wild. It's pretty wild.

Speaker 3:
[113:49] Also a sweetheart. We got to meet him at Sonic Temple.

Speaker 1:
[113:52] We met him three days ago. Dude, he's the best. Yeah, he's a really nice guy.

Speaker 2:
[113:57] He for sure has the whole thing figured out. It's awesome. I think that he's kind of becoming one of the tastemakers of heavy music in general for the stage. It's really cool. It's so bizarre that I feel like America has been held as this key market for just music in general. And we're just now figuring out festivals.

Speaker 1:
[114:19] Festivals, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[114:20] Thanks to Danny Wimmer.

Speaker 1:
[114:21] It's so weird.

Speaker 2:
[114:21] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[114:22] Dude, our stage, I feel like, is just the boys.

Speaker 2:
[114:25] It is.

Speaker 3:
[114:25] Architects, Amity, Alpha Wolf, I think.

Speaker 2:
[114:28] ABR.

Speaker 3:
[114:29] August Burns Red. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[114:30] It's packed full of the boys.

Speaker 3:
[114:31] I think Pierce is headlining the day, but I think Wage War is on.

Speaker 1:
[114:36] Is that why she just exclaimed?

Speaker 4:
[114:39] I was just thinking about how excited I am to be surrounded by Ohioans.

Speaker 2:
[114:44] Are you from Ohio?

Speaker 4:
[114:45] I am.

Speaker 2:
[114:46] Okay, there you go. Where in Ohio?

Speaker 4:
[114:47] I'm from, technically Akron, but Cleveland.

Speaker 2:
[114:50] Sure, sure, sure.

Speaker 3:
[114:50] I'm from Lansing, Michigan. Do you know that?

Speaker 4:
[114:53] I don't.

Speaker 3:
[114:54] Do you know Grand Rapids? I do. So it's like an hour from there.

Speaker 4:
[114:57] Okay, I see.

Speaker 2:
[114:58] You're neighbors.

Speaker 3:
[115:00] We were very close.

Speaker 4:
[115:02] Close, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[115:03] Now we're using Vegas.

Speaker 3:
[115:05] Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:
[115:06] Yeah, but in Vegas, you don't have to worry about the fucking winter.

Speaker 3:
[115:09] I don't miss.

Speaker 1:
[115:10] It must get cold in the desert, though.

Speaker 2:
[115:12] Yeah, but you don't get fucking feet of snow and ice.

Speaker 1:
[115:15] No snow.

Speaker 3:
[115:16] And also just so much sun, so much more endorphins and just good mood.

Speaker 1:
[115:21] That's how I feel about being here.

Speaker 2:
[115:23] Yeah, the UK.

Speaker 1:
[115:24] But even here, everyone was like, I had it with this weather.

Speaker 2:
[115:27] To be fair, you guys got a fucked snowstorm here this year.

Speaker 1:
[115:30] At least one, maybe two in January.

Speaker 3:
[115:33] We went home early.

Speaker 2:
[115:34] When we were here in January, we literally left early because of the snow coming in.

Speaker 1:
[115:37] It ruined our house to the point that we moved house next week.

Speaker 3:
[115:40] The tree fell because of that storm?

Speaker 1:
[115:43] Yeah, there's still a tree on our fucking roof.

Speaker 2:
[115:45] Oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[115:46] And the landlord was like doing nothing about it.

Speaker 2:
[115:49] We were supposed to be here for like three more days and we were writing when that was coming in. We were like, no, we just have to leave.

Speaker 3:
[115:54] We changed our flights like the day before. And if we hadn't, we may have been stuck here for like a week or more.

Speaker 1:
[116:00] We were in the UK, seeing my parents, who I haven't seen for a year, with three days in, I get a phone call in the morning, like, oh, there's a tree on your house and the cats can get out of the hole.

Speaker 2:
[116:08] Jesus Christ, dude.

Speaker 1:
[116:10] But I couldn't even get a flight home because all the airports were shut down. So it was just like, let me spend the next four days with my parents, who I love very much, once in an age is just worrying about my shit back home.

Speaker 2:
[116:23] Yeah, fuck, dude.

Speaker 1:
[116:24] It was a nightmare. But I do, other than tornadoes and that freak snowstorm, like every day I wake up, even if it's too hot, I'm like, this is awesome.

Speaker 2:
[116:35] I love it here. I think I love Nashville.

Speaker 3:
[116:37] Nashville is awesome.

Speaker 1:
[116:38] It's sick.

Speaker 2:
[116:39] I would move here if I could. I like legitimately love it here.

Speaker 3:
[116:42] I think if I had to go anywhere east of where I live, I would choose Nashville. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[116:51] Or any of the suburbs around here. And I think that goes back to a lot of what you were, when you were asking earlier about why people come here, are right. It's like a lot of the people that we would normally go right with all lived in LA, right? And then when the pandemic hit, everybody fucking got the fuck out of there and they all moved here.

Speaker 1:
[117:07] So that's why everyone hates us. Everyone hates the new people.

Speaker 2:
[117:11] Everybody's just here now.

Speaker 1:
[117:13] We're moving next week. And I'm terrified of our neighbors.

Speaker 2:
[117:16] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[117:16] Because it's like a new build. Oh, there's like maybe eight new builds on this house on this road.

Speaker 2:
[117:23] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[117:23] And I'm like, in my head, I'm like, have you met the neighbors?

Speaker 1:
[117:26] No, but in my head, I like, I know I'm the problem.

Speaker 2:
[117:29] But maybe they're the problem, too. And you're fine. You're just in it together.

Speaker 3:
[117:32] I mean, I moved to Vegas in twenty twenty two and it was a whole entire new build community and everyone's nice.

Speaker 2:
[117:38] You're fine.

Speaker 1:
[117:39] Oh, I mean, the neighbors that aren't the new build, like who I pissed off about the new build.

Speaker 2:
[117:44] You'll be fine.

Speaker 1:
[117:45] I'm a warrior. I'm a warrior.

Speaker 2:
[117:47] You're British. You've got a cool accent. They're like, oh, there's a cool British guy next door.

Speaker 3:
[117:51] And you'll charm them.

Speaker 2:
[117:52] Yeah, you're good.

Speaker 1:
[117:52] That was my, that was my other thing. I was like, hang on here, honey.

Speaker 3:
[117:56] He sounds like Harry Potter.

Speaker 1:
[117:57] I get away. I get away with so much.

Speaker 2:
[118:01] Yeah, no, you're good. You're good.

Speaker 3:
[118:02] Hold on, can you just talk again for a little bit?

Speaker 1:
[118:05] I got that way when I was phoning. So we're moving, I got the company that did all the, because it's a new build, the company that did all the appliances and shit. So it's just fucking boring. You got the grief tourism. Fuck off now.

Speaker 2:
[118:18] Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 3:
[118:19] Let us talk age back.

Speaker 1:
[118:21] So it's a new build, so everything's brand new. And the guy, the project manager of the whole building was like, this is your guy, if you need any electronics. So I phoned this guy because I could probably do it with another TV and he's going to install it and there's a fireplace with tiles and shit. It's nice. And I don't want to, I don't feel comfortable drilling into tiles. So I was like, let me see how much a new TV is and they're going to fit it. Phoned the guy up. That's exact voice.

Speaker 2:
[118:46] Yeah, that sounds right.

Speaker 1:
[118:48] And he's like, I'm literally like, yeah, I bought this.

Speaker 3:
[118:51] He's like, I've never heard no one talk from Australia before.

Speaker 1:
[118:54] I get that a lot. I get that a lot, but this guy didn't get it. I was like, yeah, I'm moving into this place. Someone told me, a project manager told me that you might be the guy for a TV and TV fitting. He was like, you're a musician? Immediately, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I start talking. And then, because obviously, Stray's broken up or whatever. My visa is here for The Downbeat, so it's not a problem. But I sort of refrain from telling people about Stray because it's just a conversation. Why you break up? It ends up as fucking 20 minutes long.

Speaker 3:
[119:31] You don't want to just stay visiting.

Speaker 1:
[119:33] Yeah, I'm here, I'm working. He was like, who do you play for? I'm like, I play for just whoever. No one right now. And he's like, yeah, but what bands you played for? And then I say, Stray from the Path. And he goes, Stray from the Path. And then another guy in the background of this office that built the house goes, What the did you say? No, he goes, I love that band.

Speaker 2:
[119:53] That's so sick.

Speaker 1:
[119:54] Didn't get a discount, though, did I?

Speaker 2:
[119:56] Oh, those sons of bitches.

Speaker 1:
[119:58] O-L-E-D, I have to pay for my own pocket.

Speaker 2:
[120:00] That's still sick.

Speaker 1:
[120:02] It was kind of cool. I can't remember what my point was, but yeah, I get away with fucking murder because I'm British.

Speaker 3:
[120:07] Yeah, you got a cool accent.

Speaker 1:
[120:08] I guess we're done, because I really need to piss. I'm really fucking-

Speaker 3:
[120:11] I could piss, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[120:11] Two and a bit out.

Speaker 2:
[120:12] I could piss.

Speaker 3:
[120:14] This was fun.

Speaker 1:
[120:14] This was fun.

Speaker 2:
[120:15] This was long.

Speaker 3:
[120:15] I hope it ends up being a good episode. It's probably gonna be a great time.

Speaker 1:
[120:18] It's so good. Thank you so much, guys. And wait, let's just, Sonic Temples, when?

Speaker 3:
[120:24] It's May 14th through 17th or something like that.

Speaker 2:
[120:26] A month and a half from now.

Speaker 1:
[120:27] Okay, so the plan is I'm gonna be doing loads of short form stuff there, including beer pong. I've got a beer pong table specifically for it. So maybe we get a fucking Architects versus-

Speaker 3:
[120:41] Oh my God, I would fucking love to do that.

Speaker 1:
[120:44] I'm thinking an Ali and Dan versus you guys in beer pong.

Speaker 3:
[120:50] Bring it on.

Speaker 1:
[120:50] I'm saying that because Sam is a recovering alcoholic.

Speaker 3:
[120:54] Respect.

Speaker 2:
[120:55] My boyfriend right there.

Speaker 1:
[120:56] The fucking best person on earth.

Speaker 3:
[120:58] I would love to do that.

Speaker 1:
[120:58] But I'm not gonna tease him with drinks. No, that's fair.

Speaker 3:
[121:01] But he needs to be there for commentary at least.

Speaker 1:
[121:04] Everyone will be in there, but I'm thinking like the game is you two and it's Ali and Dan and it's beer pong.

Speaker 3:
[121:13] I'm there.

Speaker 2:
[121:13] Sam might do commentary. He did commentary for CeeLo. We did a tour, it was Ghost Inside, Every Time I Die Architects, and we would play CeeLo on the bus.

Speaker 1:
[121:23] He would do the football commentary.

Speaker 2:
[121:25] He would go, roll again. Five, roll again.

Speaker 1:
[121:29] Okay, Sam, I want everyone to leave a comment.

Speaker 2:
[121:33] Four, five, six, you win.

Speaker 1:
[121:36] That's really funny. I want Sam commentating that.

Speaker 3:
[121:40] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[121:40] That's locked in. Yeah. That's funny. Producer, can you please make a note? Sonic Temple, Architects Ghosts Inside, Beer Pong, Sam Carter to commentate.

Speaker 3:
[121:53] Amazing.

Speaker 2:
[121:54] It'd be amazing if we can get like re, I don't know how, it'd be next to impossible, but get like a silent background, like a cricket match.

Speaker 3:
[122:02] So it's just like, so.

Speaker 1:
[122:04] I know, I have my own room.

Speaker 2:
[122:05] Oh my God. So we'll make it as quiet as possible. So he can be like, next up, Chris Davis. He lines up for the shot.

Speaker 1:
[122:13] Oh, it would be so good.

Speaker 3:
[122:15] That's so lovely.

Speaker 2:
[122:16] Oh, so good.

Speaker 3:
[122:18] There he goes.

Speaker 2:
[122:19] Oh, no, he missed that.

Speaker 1:
[122:20] Do you watch UK sport? That sounds like you do. What about the darts? You ever watch the darts?

Speaker 3:
[122:26] Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:
[122:26] You see the story, the story I posted earlier, the darts player later found out, I think he's got sexual assault charges.

Speaker 3:
[122:32] Well, that's unfortunate.

Speaker 1:
[122:33] I didn't know that when I posted it. But it's a darts player. Darts is like fucking British. Darts is just... And he's literally going, I need a triple 20. Shake the devil's hand. And then he gets it.

Speaker 2:
[122:51] That's hard as.

Speaker 1:
[122:52] He gets it and he goes, yeah. And again, gets another one. And then he goes, you...

Speaker 3:
[123:00] Amazing.

Speaker 2:
[123:01] Hold on. That's the British equivalent of our bowler. The guy who got the strike and he goes, yeah, who do you think you are?

Speaker 3:
[123:08] I am.

Speaker 1:
[123:09] Oh yeah.

Speaker 3:
[123:10] That's a classic.

Speaker 2:
[123:10] Have you seen that?

Speaker 1:
[123:11] No, but that's...

Speaker 2:
[123:12] Guy Bowling said, who do you think you are?

Speaker 3:
[123:15] I am.

Speaker 1:
[123:16] That's fucking awesome.

Speaker 3:
[123:16] Insane.

Speaker 2:
[123:17] That's like...

Speaker 1:
[123:18] I love just, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[123:21] That's the recreational sports equivalent.

Speaker 1:
[123:23] The less, like, the less well-known, like, scoring a goal or something like that. In football, give me, like, a baseball player or a darts player or someone, like, slightly more low-key being psychotic. Like, that's the shit I love.

Speaker 3:
[123:40] There's a bunch of them in baseball.

Speaker 1:
[123:42] He's bound down. I think he's bound down as... Top five funniest TV shows of all time.

Speaker 2:
[123:49] That first season especially, that pilot episode alone. Yeah, unbelievable.

Speaker 1:
[123:54] Even when he goes to Mexico, it's crazy, dude.

Speaker 3:
[123:57] Unbelievable.

Speaker 1:
[123:57] It's fucking the best. You've never seen it.

Speaker 2:
[124:00] Oh, you gotta watch he's bound down.

Speaker 1:
[124:02] I feel like I could get Ernie's bound down.

Speaker 3:
[124:04] I feel like that would be easier than Dumb and Dumber, which is heartbreaking to say aloud, to be honest.

Speaker 2:
[124:08] Like you said, who's the bad boy of curling? You know, like, where's that?

Speaker 1:
[124:13] There must be one.

Speaker 3:
[124:13] They're Canadian for sure.

Speaker 1:
[124:14] There has to be.

Speaker 2:
[124:15] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[124:15] It's probably the guy who cheated in the Olympics recently.

Speaker 2:
[124:17] And he just looks like Guy Fieri.

Speaker 3:
[124:19] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[124:19] He's gotta.

Speaker 3:
[124:20] That's the thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[124:21] Darts is funny though, because it used to be on Alexandra Palace, which you've played.

Speaker 3:
[124:26] No shit. Yep. We just played for the first time.

Speaker 1:
[124:28] It used to be, that was where the darts were. And they just put a bunch of tables down. The darts are there, but it's just people drinking pints. Everyone, including the people playing darts. They're all drinking pints.

Speaker 3:
[124:42] I love it.

Speaker 1:
[124:43] It's Larry. It's fucking Britain.

Speaker 2:
[124:45] He said, shake the devil's hand.

Speaker 1:
[124:47] Yeah, he said something like, shake the devil's hand.

Speaker 2:
[124:49] The ex Jonathan Vigil one-liner, right there.

Speaker 3:
[124:51] I respect it. Hey, that's all the next Ghost Inside record.

Speaker 2:
[124:54] We might take it.

Speaker 1:
[124:55] We actually run out of one camera, so.

Speaker 3:
[124:57] My bad.

Speaker 1:
[124:58] We're done.

Speaker 2:
[124:59] All right.

Speaker 1:
[125:00] I love you. Thank you guys. Thank you for having us, dude. I feel like I already did this, but I'm kinda drunk. Love you all, bye.