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Speaker 1:
[00:23] Well, spring sprung and then it sprung back, and now it's just sort of loitering in the shadows. We had a taste, a sweet, sweet taste of spring, but now it's just a crazy April.

Speaker 2:
[00:38] Spring is lurking like someone at a party who wants to break into the conversation, but is nervous to do so. And therefore, the longer they stand there, the more awkward it becomes, because it's like, are you green light or red light? Like, what are you doing? And by the way, I always was that person.

Speaker 1:
[00:56] Yeah, spring is in its head right now. It needs some Eckhart Tolle, seen some power of now, needs to get grounded. May's gonna ground it. May takes April and it fucking calms it down, gets it focused.

Speaker 2:
[01:13] It's like, it's like calendar Xanax.

Speaker 1:
[01:18] Well, you remember April showers bring May flowers.

Speaker 2:
[01:21] I do. And I also remember in like a lion, out like a lamb.

Speaker 1:
[01:25] I also remember-

Speaker 2:
[01:26] That's March, I think.

Speaker 1:
[01:27] Oh, that's right. In like a lion, out like a lamb. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[01:32] And April is the cruelest month, literary.

Speaker 1:
[01:36] People say that?

Speaker 2:
[01:37] TS. Eliot. It's from The Wasteland, TS. Eliot. April is the cruelest month, bringing lilacs out of something or other.

Speaker 1:
[01:44] You want to get depressed, read that fucking book. Jesus.

Speaker 2:
[01:48] I just read a book. And now I know that you listen to Rise and Fall of the Third Reich repeatedly as you fall asleep because you're, you know, studious. But I, it's been, you know, when I finish a book, I feel good about myself. And I finished two books in a row, three books in a row.

Speaker 1:
[02:05] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[02:06] I'm on a roll.

Speaker 1:
[02:08] Good for you.

Speaker 2:
[02:08] So one is a book for young adults called Singularity. It's a science fiction book that I have loved my whole life. And I'm like, I gotta reread it. So I reread it. It's still good. But it's interesting that it was like one of my favorite books when I was a kid. And then I read Told You So by Macy Neely, one of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Housewives. And then I just finished Lena Dunham's new book, Bamesick.

Speaker 1:
[02:37] You did?

Speaker 2:
[02:38] Yes. What is that? That shocking look on your face. Are you a hater?

Speaker 1:
[02:45] Being a hater feels like a trap with her, because if you hate her, it means that you are body shaming. And oh, interesting, you know. And the thing is, like, I've listened to her on interviews and I know she's like she grew up in New York City. I think her parents were artists or they were sort of esoteric. And so she has this vocabulary that's a little loaded. It's a little pretentious.

Speaker 2:
[03:15] She uses big words.

Speaker 1:
[03:16] She uses big words and I like her presence. I like that she is very rooted in who she is. But there's an anger underneath that's off putting.

Speaker 2:
[03:33] Did you like or did you watch Girls?

Speaker 1:
[03:35] I thought it was one of the worst shows I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2:
[03:38] Oh my gosh. I really enjoyed it. I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 1:
[03:42] Part of it is just I hate the setting. I hate what Brooklyn became. I hate what that new generation that she represented. Were they millennials, I guess?

Speaker 2:
[03:53] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[03:53] I hated the whole context of the show. So I don't know if I ever could have enjoyed it beyond that.

Speaker 2:
[04:01] Yes. I could see where it's not quite for you. It was for the people I think who are the people who related to it. Well, I think a lot of people related to it, but I think it really was supposed to be about like these kids who thought they were going to graduate college and just take the world by storm. And then they were in these sort of internships and they couldn't pay rent. And they were like supposedly had all this potential.

Speaker 1:
[04:24] And yeah, I felt like why should I care about a bunch of college educated people that can't really get focused? It's just I couldn't relate to it. I lived in New York at that age and everybody I was around was fucking laser focused going for it and I don't get the indulged laziness of postgraduate white people in Brooklyn. My mom, my wife loved it and my daughter really likes it. So and that's it's actually how I met Judd Apatow because I went online and I shit on girls and then somebody reposted it and cc'd or tagged or whatever you call it on the internet. Judd Apatow. Oh, wow. So Judd wrote, I'm sure he's just kidding. Greg has great taste in comedy and he's a funny guy. Something like that. So I DM'd him. I didn't know him.

Speaker 2:
[05:29] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[05:29] I DM'd him and I go, Hey man, I'm really sorry. I go, that was out of line. I go, who am I to judge a show and post about it online? It was a stupid move. And then he was just couldn't have been nicer, more friendly. And we, and then I ran into him at the comedy store and we just like instantly became friends. And I don't know that I've ever talked about it with him since, but we take these like monster long walks every few weeks and to the beach from fucking Brentwood, they're like two and a half hour walks. And yeah, I've never, it's never come up again.

Speaker 2:
[06:14] I mean, I feel like the lesson here is shit on the projects of your heroes. Not that he was your hero before you knew him or anything, or just like shit, just shit on projects is the lesson.

Speaker 1:
[06:28] I did it also about Yes Dear. I made a joke about Yes Dear being a bad show. And then Greg Garcia, who's the creator of it, wrote to me and said that that was disrespectful, blah, blah, blah. And then now we're golf buddies now. He brings me to his country club when we play golf. So yeah, I think there's something to it.

Speaker 2:
[06:52] I have been trying to be nice and good and look where it's gotten me. Have you ever shot your mouth off about something and then it actually blew up in your face?

Speaker 1:
[07:09] Well, I went on Howard Stern and I was making fun of Carrot Top. And then about a month later, I was waiting for my car at the valet at the improv and he walked out to get his car. And he just looked at me and I looked at him, I go, hey man, I'm sorry, man. That was that was out of line. Me talking about you on the Howard Stern show. He goes, dude, we're all comedians. We're just, you know, we're just fucking around. It's totally cool. And then his clown car pulled up and he left. Wow.

Speaker 2:
[07:39] Even Carrot Top is cool with this.

Speaker 1:
[07:40] Even Carrot Top.

Speaker 2:
[07:41] Even Carrot Top. What's his real name? Is it like Scott or something? Is it really?

Speaker 1:
[07:46] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[07:47] Even Scott Top is cool with this stuff.

Speaker 1:
[07:49] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[07:50] My goodness.

Speaker 1:
[07:51] No, he turned out to be like one of the nicest guys in the world. Everybody loves the guy. But no, I think it I think in this business, people get it where it's a it's a it's a it's a fucking marketplace of opinions, podcasts and social media. You got to express yourself. And I think if you can't handle criticism, you shouldn't be on social media.

Speaker 2:
[08:17] I agree. I'm actually trying not because I can't handle criticism, but I'm trying to be on social media less. There's this thing called the brick. Have you heard of it?

Speaker 1:
[08:25] No.

Speaker 2:
[08:25] It's like this little gray box thing. And there's an app. And so you brick your... You choose which apps you want to brick, and then you tap your phone to it, and it makes it so you can't use those apps. And I've been using it, and it's so quickly just makes it so I'm just like, oh, I can't check Instagram. I can't check threads. I can't check Twitter. And I'm so much happier.

Speaker 1:
[08:48] Well, you have a habit of engaging haters, which I've never understood that philosophy.

Speaker 2:
[08:56] I don't know if I'd say I engage them as much as I respond to them. Maybe that's a difference without a distinction, or maybe it's just semantics. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't always been this way. It's just sort of recent, and it's like cutting. I don't know what, it's a weird addiction.

Speaker 1:
[09:13] Well, I think it's gratifying probably in the moment, but it seems exhausting.

Speaker 2:
[09:18] It's stupid. It takes me away from my family. And it like takes up entire nights.

Speaker 1:
[09:25] Do you think that that helps your profile or hurts your profile?

Speaker 2:
[09:31] Well, I like to think that no one notices.

Speaker 1:
[09:35] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[09:36] But I don't think that's the case. So therefore, it probably just hurts it. People probably just think like, oh, she's a little like she used to be funny, but now she's unhinged and angry. Oh, God, is the trajectory of all older women?

Speaker 1:
[09:51] I don't know about that. I think a lot of older women got even better. Joan Rivers just got better and better.

Speaker 2:
[09:59] Joan Rivers feels, seems like she would engage her haters.

Speaker 1:
[10:02] Yeah, but that's her shtick though. So that's, you know, there's context to it.

Speaker 2:
[10:09] Fine. So you think it's, do you think I'm torpedoing my profile? I don't even think I have a profile.

Speaker 1:
[10:14] No, I just think you must be exhausted from it. Like, I literally, almost without exception, do not reply to anything negative. And I just feel like, wow, that's, that's a fucking, that's calories I just didn't expend, with no downside. There's no downside to ignoring people like that.

Speaker 2:
[10:35] But okay, but if Judd Apatow and Greg Garcia hadn't engaged with you, think of all the things you'd miss.

Speaker 1:
[10:42] That's true. It's true. Walking and golfing.

Speaker 2:
[10:47] Right. Two of your favorite activities.

Speaker 1:
[10:49] All right. Speaking of walking, yesterday, I went to, or last night, I went to Disneyland.

Speaker 2:
[10:57] Disneyland.

Speaker 1:
[10:57] Which I'm not at all a fan of Disneyland. I don't like what it represents. I don't like what it costs. So, but I get invited for free because there's a radio. Have you heard of The Woody Show?

Speaker 2:
[11:10] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[11:11] So The Woody Show is this huge syndicated radio show that broadcasts out of LA. This guy Woody is great. And so I go on there sometimes. And so they invited me to go to this. It's a listener party, basically. They rent out Disneyland, the whole California adventure section.

Speaker 2:
[11:30] Oh my God. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[11:31] And thousands of listeners. They are all contest winners. They close the park off and you go from 9 till 1 a.m. And you can go on any of the rides. And then there's a VIP club that has opened bar. And so I brought four of them. I brought my wife and three other friends. And we had a blast. We just walked around Disneyland with not a lot of crowds. I mean, thousands of people is not a lot of crowds in the park that big.

Speaker 2:
[12:09] Like, how long were the lines?

Speaker 1:
[12:11] Oh, like 20 minutes, 15, 20 minutes.

Speaker 2:
[12:15] And fun.

Speaker 1:
[12:15] Yeah. And I didn't know. Do you know the park?

Speaker 2:
[12:19] Um, I don't know California Adventure as well as I know Disneyland, but I have been a few times.

Speaker 1:
[12:26] Well, the last ride and it was 420, so I was going to take some pot. But I should have and I didn't. But, um, take some pot. What am I from the 1940s?

Speaker 2:
[12:36] The way you said take some pot made me think you're saying you're going to take some with you.

Speaker 1:
[12:41] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[12:42] You meant take like do.

Speaker 1:
[12:43] I meant like get some or something.

Speaker 2:
[12:45] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[12:46] So the last, you know, we went on some roller coasters that were scary. But the last one was the Guardians of the Galaxy one. Do you know that one?

Speaker 2:
[12:56] Yeah, I've not been on it, but I know about it.

Speaker 1:
[12:59] It's an elevator ride, which I did not know because at this point, it was 1245 in the morning, and this was going to be the last thing we went to. So we're just that was a long line. So we're online. We're shooting the shit. People watching. It was one girl that was probably about late 20s, 30 overweight. She had on like what looked like a veil, but it was like it was like a Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse, kind of a head piece. And she had on like a dress. And the guy that put you on the seats goes, how many in your party? And we were like, five. And he's like, all right, hold, wait here for a second. How many in your party? And they're like, three. And they're like, all right, come in. You sit over there. And then they said to her, how many in your party? This is almost one in the morning. And she goes, one. Oh, and it was just so sad. It made me sad, but I also thought, all right, good for her. You know, maybe she doesn't have the greatest life and maybe she didn't have any friends to come with her. But she felt good enough to. She bought this fun hat and she's going on the rides.

Speaker 2:
[14:15] And she was a contest winner, right?

Speaker 1:
[14:18] Yeah, she must have called in and won the contest and then couldn't get anyone to go with her. But anyway, so we go on this Guardians of the Galaxy ride and you sit down and you're in a row of people and then it becomes this sort of three dimensional experience and you go up and then you drop down and you go. And I thought we're in a two story building. I didn't really look up and see that there was a tower and it basically flies up 10 stories and then drops straight down. So you fly out of your seatbelt, you fly out of your seat, and then it slams down and it goes up and down, up, you know, what's probably, I don't know, 13 stories, up and down, up and down, up and down. And I, if they've gone up and down one more time, there's no doubt I was projectile vomiting. And it was just so existential to not know. I thought we were just going up and down. I didn't realize till we walked outside that it was 13 floors high.

Speaker 2:
[15:20] Yeah, yeah. So sounds like you loved it.

Speaker 1:
[15:25] I mean, I did. It was fun. It was. And then we went to the VIP thing. And my friend that I bought, Jay Seen, she grew up around there and she was, she worked at Disneyland from the time she was 17. And then when she was in college, she became a like a VIP concierge. You are yawning a lot. Is it, am I that boring today?

Speaker 2:
[15:46] It is not, it's not your story. It is that I got up early. It's not you, I promise.

Speaker 1:
[15:52] So she, she's telling us on the drive down all, she's going to take us on this tour. She knows all the, she's going to show us the places she had sex, she used to have sex with people in the park. And, and so it's, we're all excited about the tour. And, and then, and we said to her, like, you know, she took Leonardo DiCaprio on a tour. Like she's take a lot of the celebrities. Stephen Colbert was really great. And then I said, who was the best? Who was the best person you took? And she said, it was Bob Saget and John Stamos. And she goes, John Stamos is the sweetest guy. He was so fun. And so we get to the VIP club and everybody gets a drink and Woody and everybody's there. And then I go, Jason, it's John Stamos. He's standing right there. And she's like, what? So I know him. So I walk up and I was like, hey John, what's happening? Blah, blah, blah. And he's like, oh, I was just talking about you yesterday which is so weird in front of my friends. That felt pretty cool.

Speaker 2:
[17:07] Yeah, I bet.

Speaker 1:
[17:08] And then I go, this is my friend, Jason. She was a VIP tour guide and she took you. And she goes, and she goes, he goes, I was with Bob Saget. She's like, yes. And I said to him, she told us on the way down that you were her favorite guest of the park ever. And he immediately took pictures with her and it was very sweet. And he was hanging out with the drummer from Green Day.

Speaker 2:
[17:34] Oh, cool.

Speaker 1:
[17:35] Which is pretty cool.

Speaker 2:
[17:36] Yeah, not Trey Cool. Mike Dirt, I think.

Speaker 1:
[17:39] Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[17:42] How cool.

Speaker 1:
[17:43] Yeah, it's very cool.

Speaker 2:
[17:44] Of Dirt. Wait, how do you know John Stamos?

Speaker 1:
[17:48] I don't know. I mean, I was good friends with Saget. I know him through Saget. I mean, I can't remember when I first met him, but like, you know, he came to my show. I did a show at the comedy store that I headlined an hour upstairs and he came out with Martha Plimpton.

Speaker 2:
[18:09] Oh, of course.

Speaker 1:
[18:13] And we hung out after. But like, you know, like I remember going to Saget's 60th birthday party and it was at the house where the Manson murders took place. Ah, and so I went with Aaron and we're walking up the driveway. It was Valley Parking because it's up in the hills and there's no parking on the street.

Speaker 2:
[18:29] Isn't that the house in I mean, the house depicted in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?

Speaker 1:
[18:33] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[18:34] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[18:34] So we go up and as we're walking up the driveway, it looks like it's pretty lit. It's a huge mansion. It's the guy that was the creator of Full House. And at the time that Full House was on the air, he had two other hit shows. He had three hit shows at the same time that all ran for like five to seven years, which, you know, incalculable money that comes in in royalties. So we get to the house and as we're walking up the driveway, they're playing the Beach Boys. We could see people dancing. And then we walk in and we look to our left and there's this huge room. And it's the Beach Boys. It's Mike Love. And I forget, there was like three of the Beach Boys and John Stamos on drums.

Speaker 2:
[19:26] Oh, how cool.

Speaker 1:
[19:28] And everybody's just, we're dancing. And then there was a dessert table and Mike Love came over and he and I talked for like a half an hour. And I'm a Beach Boys fanatic. So it was, and it was just one of the greatest nights ever.

Speaker 2:
[19:42] How fun. I miss Bob Saget. He was so, I didn't know him, you know, as well as obviously not like you did, but I had been on his podcast. He had been on my podcast a few times. I had been on his, he was just so kind and funny and nice. And it's so weird that he's not here.

Speaker 1:
[19:59] I know. It feels like, you know, there's certain people that possess a life energy that it seems existentially wrong that it's extinguished. Like how can that be gone?

Speaker 2:
[20:12] Yes. Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1:
[20:15] I mean, if I died, people will be like, yeah, there wasn't a blip in the universe when that guy died. He was just a depressed, you know, mid level comedian. But Saget was.

Speaker 2:
[20:26] A bright light.

Speaker 1:
[20:27] A bright light.

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[23:37] Time for the news. Matthew McConaughey, I mean, when you think of that name, there's so many images, iconic film lines, lifestyle, but you don't think about him being a dad necessarily.

Speaker 2:
[24:11] I don't even think I knew he was a dad.

Speaker 1:
[24:13] I did not know either, but apparently he believes there's nothing more important than parenting. And an exclusive clip shared with people ahead of the April 21st episode of Bear Grylls is running wild. The 56 year old talks about becoming a husband and a father of three. He shares sons Livingston 13 and Levi 17 and daughter Vida Vida 16 with my with wife Kamala Alvis McConaughey shares that he believes the greatest art a man can create is being a good father to a son or daughter. I just want to stop for a second. Oh, wait, let me go on. Quote, I think a man's a prince until he has children. Then he becomes a king. I don't think there's anything more important that a man can do. In fact, man, we're mortal. That's the beginning of our immortality. And hopefully we're lucky enough for them to have offspring. And it continues to pass that down. I think that's the greatest art that a man can make is being a good father. And just look, I don't know McConaughey. I don't know the details of this. I just know that there's a certain pattern I see in Hollywood of your Ben Stillers or these people that make four movies a year that are on location and then they're developing things and then they're on press tours. And you go like, you know what? You don't get to say this. You know, you don't get to say it's the most important thing to you. It's fine that you had a kid and it's fine that you're a movie star. But don't take away from people like me and you, Alison, who do a podcast about parenting.

Speaker 2:
[26:06] Yeah. Watch, he probably is going to start one of those. Yeah. Not only do we do a podcast about parenting, we're not off on location that much.

Speaker 1:
[26:16] And guess what, Alison? I am now going to be contacted by both McConaughey and Ben Stiller.

Speaker 2:
[26:24] That's right.

Speaker 1:
[26:25] And they're going to want to golf with me.

Speaker 2:
[26:28] Wait, why Ben Stiller? Did you just mention him?

Speaker 1:
[26:31] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[26:33] How did I miss that?

Speaker 1:
[26:34] I said people like Ben Stiller who are doing five movies a year. And, you know, Ben Stiller, I can't, I shouldn't shit on Ben Stiller. He's, you know.

Speaker 2:
[26:43] Do you know him?

Speaker 1:
[26:45] My wife grew up with him. They.

Speaker 2:
[26:48] Oh, what's she say about him?

Speaker 1:
[26:49] They went to school together. She says he's great. Benji. They called him Benji. And they they they connected because they both had Jewish fathers and Irish mothers. And so then my wife was Julia Roberts' assistant. And Ben came in to bring a script to Julia. And she had this fancy office down in Gramercy Park. And he comes walking in and he sees Aaron and he just fucking lights up and ends up like late for his meeting with Julia because he's talking to Aaron. And and then he walks in and then he. Oh, no, he met with her and then he sent the script over later and he wrote on the cover. He was Julia. It was remember this is Julia Roberts, Julia. It was really great meeting you. But wow, to see Aaron again, I had a crush on her my whole life. Oh, yeah. And and then we went to a party at Jimmy Kimmel's house. And it was it was for Howard Stern because he was in town. And and Ben Stiller was there. And he walked up to Aaron and he started talking to her and just like, you know how you wed yourself between two people and monopolize that person?

Speaker 2:
[28:04] And he had cock blocked you.

Speaker 1:
[28:06] He cock blocked me from my wife for like 45 minutes. He had her pinned against the wall. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[28:14] Did she know that he had a crush on her before this?

Speaker 1:
[28:18] She's not the kind of person that's like aware of that stuff.

Speaker 2:
[28:21] Yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 1:
[28:23] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[28:23] Well, he was a bit of a dick to me many, many, many, many, many years ago. I will explain. It was my fault. Okay. I was a string. I wrote for Rolling Stone. I was a stringer for Random Notes. I don't know if the, I haven't opened a Rolling Stone in so long. Random Notes is that front of the magazine section where it's like goings on in the world of music and culture. And it's, you know, global, national or global. So they're based in New York. And so they would send reporters out to different events to cover them. And you'd like interview people, write it up, send it in. So they sent me to the either series or season finale of Mr. the party for the season finale of Mr. Show, Yo La Tango was playing. And I, okay, I had been a music journalist. And I don't know if it was the time, because I feel like it's probably changed. But we had sort of like, all of us had this almost like adversarial relationship with publicists, not everyone, but a little bit. It was like publicists are sort of like, they're like the fuzz, they're like the red tape. So they introduced me to this woman who was the HBO publicist. And if I wanted to interview someone, I was supposed to ask her to be my go-between. Like, you know, could I talk to this person? Can I talk to this person? But I, being punk rock Gen X, was like, I don't need this hall monitor. I'm just going to approach them myself. I did it at Video Music Awards too. It was so stupid. I was just like, I don't know what I was thinking. It actually worked for 98% of the people. But I went up to Ben Stiller and I'm like, I am writing for randomness for Rolling Stone. Could I talk to you? And he's like, are you sure you write for Rolling Stone? Are you sure you don't just want to write for Rolling Stone? Which was so cutting. And I was like, no, I'm pretty sure. But as the years have gone by, I have realized very famous people are paranoid. And I understand why. And he probably was just not wanting his time encroached upon by some weird fan, if that's what he thought I was.

Speaker 1:
[30:50] Well, he did an amazing documentary about his parents. And if you watch it, I think you'll have an insight into how much of his life has been hijacked by fans and strangers.

Speaker 2:
[31:01] Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1:
[31:02] Both as a child, seeing it happen to his parents, and then it happening to him and him not being available to his family and him being extremely raw and honest in saying he let his wife and his kids down.

Speaker 2:
[31:16] Oh, interesting. I'll have to watch it. Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, this was on me. I should have just used the publicist who was there to make all these conversations happen.

Speaker 1:
[31:25] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[31:27] But Bill Maher was also a bit of a dick to me that night. No. I know. And people refer to him in the same way they talk about Henry Winkler, like nicest guy in Hollywood.

Speaker 1:
[31:38] No, people do not say that.

Speaker 2:
[31:39] I know that was joking.

Speaker 1:
[31:41] Okay. That was my first writing job I wrote for his show.

Speaker 2:
[31:46] What was he like?

Speaker 1:
[31:47] You know, he is what he is. Like, you know, he's a manly man. He likes to be, you know, drink Jack Daniels and talk dirty and, you know, bring skanks from the road on into the studio audience. And, you know, he just is what he is. But he, what I like that. There's no surprises.

Speaker 2:
[32:08] Right. Yes. He had to leave the party early because his date had school in the morning. I'm sure it was like dental school or something. But I, my friend and I were laughing about how it seemed, like it just sounded funny that she had to school in the morning. There was something else I was going to say. I was like, I could not shake that horrible feeling from the Ben Stiller run in though. And I was talking to another writer and she had interviewed Hunter S. Thompson and he made her go home and get a Rolling Stone paste up to show him.

Speaker 1:
[32:42] Really?

Speaker 2:
[32:43] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[32:44] Well, cause he was a Rolling Stone writer.

Speaker 2:
[32:47] Yes. It's true. All right. I have a news story. Scott Galloway. He's a professor and a podcaster. And he talks about how a certain parenting style is a major driver of depression in teens. And what he, he calls this parenting style bulldozer or concierge parenting. And it's where parents move obstacles out of the way of their kid's life. And so the children don't form, they don't, you don't have the tools to deal with friction and to deal with conflict and to deal with problems that arise because they've all been removed for you.

Speaker 1:
[33:32] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[33:32] And that that leads to depression. He says, let's see, the kid gotta be plus. Let's call the teacher, let's get tutoring. Whatever it is, we clear out the obstacles for them. We make their life as frictionless as possible. There's no bullying at schools anymore. There's a lack of it, I should say. And the result is this Princess and the Pea Syndrome. And that we use, and that is we use so many sanitary wipes on our kids' lives that they don't develop their own immunities. I thought this was, this actually gave me some things to think about. I think that, well, okay, so one of Elliott's friends took his water bottle and then was like making, and this is a friend of his, was making fun of his water bottle in this way, this like very third grade way of like, oh, look, my parents bought me this ugly water bottle. And then she dropped his water bottle and the cap broke. And he was just beside himself when he got home.

Speaker 1:
[34:37] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[34:39] And I was thinking, he's not used to teasing.

Speaker 1:
[34:43] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[34:43] He's not used to like, we don't, we're not mean to each other in the house. There's very light ribbing, but for the most part, like, I don't think he's encountered someone just, even in a playful way, being a dick.

Speaker 1:
[35:00] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[35:01] And he's, but I don't know what the answer to that is, cause he's gonna have to, you know, toughen up, but I don't want to make him toughen up via me or Daniel.

Speaker 1:
[35:11] You know, some of my favorite internet videos are when, like, a girl's playing soccer and the other girl knocks her down and the parent runs on the field and decks the other girl. Like, I just fucking love that because you just see that that kid is so fucked, you know, on so many levels. That's such a bad thing. But it's a metaphor for that. And I think, look, Scott Gallo is one of those guys who's so sort of self-assured and pedantic. Is that the word?

Speaker 2:
[35:46] Pedantic would be like very overly focused on the details. I don't think you mean pedantic.

Speaker 1:
[35:53] No, I don't mean pedantic. Preachy, maybe. But yeah. But he look at me. I'm like Lena Dunham right now.

Speaker 2:
[36:00] Yeah. OK, Lena.

Speaker 1:
[36:02] And so.

Speaker 2:
[36:04] Oh, I guess I can't say that because you're overweight.

Speaker 1:
[36:06] Yeah, right. Want to go out to dinner? I'm so sorry. That was triggering. So but I end up agreeing with him like 99 percent of the time. I don't want to, but I do. And in this case, I do agree. I think that we're definitely we really tried to let our kids figure stuff out, but we didn't give them enough chores around the house. I think we could have pushed them harder in school academically. I mean, look, everybody looks back with the regrets about their parenting. I think we did. I think we did a really good job. But I mean, I do think that my I'd say my wife was a better parent. But in that way, I think she maybe enabled them a little bit.

Speaker 2:
[36:59] It's really hard. I would like to talk to a parent who feels that they nailed this one and got it perfect. I would like to talk to their child to see if they agree because it's like that urge to protect your children, but also the awareness that your job is to help them become self-sufficient independent people in the world. I don't know how you do it.

Speaker 1:
[37:26] Well, we got two kids, one of them launched. He's 25, he's working full-time at a real job in New York, girlfriend, friends, and then our daughter is 22, and I feel like she has all the tools. I feel like she's got the presence. I think she's got the confidence. She's got the social IQ, but she's not there yet. And once she launches, I'll feel like, all right, we did our job. We did it.

Speaker 2:
[37:57] I forgot to tell you that Owen got in a little bit of trouble twice this week.

Speaker 1:
[38:03] Oh, good.

Speaker 2:
[38:05] Yeah. So I got a call from the principal at about 5:45 PM. I assumed, so whenever I saw the name of the school on my phone, and usually it's just a recording saying your child was absent, but he wasn't absent today. It was the principal, and he's like, hi, it's so-and-so, do you have a minute? And I said, I do, and he's like, I wanted to tell you about a conversation I had with Owen today. So Owen has a nemesis at school. It is very like, they're kind of, they're like frenemies. It's like Seinfeld Newman. And so this boy wasn't, and this boy is an aggressor toward Owen as well. But this boy was looking at Owen, and Owen said, stop staring at me, stop staring at me, or I'll kill you.

Speaker 1:
[38:56] Oh, okay.

Speaker 2:
[38:57] And then he said it again. And so the principal had a conversation with him about how you can say, please don't stare at me, stop staring at me, I don't want you to stare at me, you can tell the teacher, but you cannot make threats. And I said to him, you know, his language has been getting more colorful at home. Um, and I, I think it's, I don't think there's anything behind it. It's just, and he's like, oh, no, no, no one thinks he would do anything. It's just an expression of his frustration. And I said, if this happens again, what happens? And he's like, well, the next time would be a recessed detention and a reflection activity. So that was the first thing. And I was just like, wow, the principal never called home on me. I'm sure, principal, like this is, this is uncharted territory for us. And then I got a text from his teacher. Hi! Exclamation point. Just wanted you to know that in music class, Owen loudly said, oh, my fucking God. No! Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[39:58] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[40:00] Yeah. And she talked to him about how that language is not appropriate at school. Oh, he said that he forgot. He forgot that he was, I don't know, something like he forgot that he was at school or.

Speaker 1:
[40:12] Well, does he talk like that at home?

Speaker 2:
[40:15] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[40:15] Oh, it's hilarious. I didn't know that.

Speaker 2:
[40:18] Yes. And it's my fault because, look, I was brought up in a house where we were allowed to say whatever we want, but we were made aware that like this doesn't fly outside the home. But in this house, you can use, you could say whatever words you want. And so when Owen started being delighted by horrendous words, I was like, it's okay to say at home, just you cannot say it in public. Without really thinking about like, does Owen have the ability to compartmentalize like I did? He's done, he's done great with it up till now. Now, unfortunately, it made its way to school. So he seems to understand, I found it hilarious, which is probably part of the problem. But anyway, so yeah, I don't know where this is headed.

Speaker 1:
[41:07] Well, I'll tell you where it's headed. My mother, I wrote a book called Dear Mrs. Fitzsimmons, which was exactly this. It was teachers calling home and writing letters home about my misbehavior and my parents getting a kick out of it. And it formed my personality. It made me who I am today. And it's great. It's great that world is filled with conformists. And, you know, school is really it's it was it's created and perpetuated to make, you know, mid managers.

Speaker 2:
[41:43] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[41:44] It wants followers. It wants capitalists, you know, pawns. And so, you know, when your kid breaks out, good for him.

Speaker 2:
[41:53] Yeah, I guess you're right. I mean, I did find it so hilarious that he said in music class, he said, oh, my fucking god, that's amazing. All right. Should we do some highs and lows?

Speaker 1:
[42:05] We do lows and highs, Alison.

Speaker 2:
[42:07] Yes, you're right. How long have I been doing this show and now I have forgotten?

Speaker 1:
[42:10] This is my low. This is my low for this week.

Speaker 2:
[42:13] Okay. Did I forgot?

Speaker 1:
[42:15] Yeah. Uh, here's my low. I recently hung out. Actually, this happened twice this week. Hanging out with a friend, like intimately hanging out where you're close to each other, whose breath was nauseating. Like, like you almost can see green vapors coming out of the mouth. And you just go like, you know, both of these people are married. And you go, do you not have a partner? And this was not just this, this is like whenever I talk to them, it's not like they had a garlic dinner. It's like you got a fucking rot in your teeth or something. And it's your wife's job to tell you that you need to go to the dentist and to get some fucking mouthwash and figure out why you have halitosis. It's disgusting. And it's my worst fear that I brush my teeth three times a day and I'll chew gum. I was so worried that I'm that guy.

Speaker 2:
[43:26] Yes. Now, you hung out with this person twice or two different people?

Speaker 1:
[43:30] Two different people.

Speaker 2:
[43:32] But they both had this situation. Gross.

Speaker 1:
[43:35] And you think to yourself, okay, well, I'm his friend. Is it on me to pull him aside and go, hey man, I don't want you to take offense at this. And I'm telling you this just because I think you might want to know it. But your breath isn't great. And I've noticed it before. And it's an awkward conversation, but I would want somebody to tell me.

Speaker 2:
[43:58] Yeah, I know. I think you've wondered that before. But then you just, didn't you think you might anonymously let this person know?

Speaker 1:
[44:05] Well, then I thought, why not make an app? And the app lets people know anonymously, but in a very caring way. Like the app makers would know how to word it.

Speaker 2:
[44:16] That's AI. This is perfect for AI.

Speaker 1:
[44:19] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[44:21] What would it be called? Breather.

Speaker 1:
[44:25] Breathe easy.

Speaker 2:
[44:27] Breathe easy. Ooh, I like it. All right, Milo. I'm realizing it's hard to share my low without sharing my high. Can I do high and then low?

Speaker 1:
[44:38] Sure.

Speaker 2:
[44:38] You know, in the retro way.

Speaker 1:
[44:39] We'll make an exception this week.

Speaker 2:
[44:41] Thank you. Oh, should we go to the board?

Speaker 1:
[44:44] Let's go to the board.

Speaker 2:
[44:47] They approve.

Speaker 1:
[44:47] Oh, that's great. That was fast.

Speaker 2:
[44:49] Lightning fast results.

Speaker 1:
[44:50] Usually a board takes, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:52] Like, they are like, we'll get back to you in, you know, 8 to 10 business days.

Speaker 1:
[44:57] Yeah, business days.

Speaker 2:
[44:58] And then if it's during the summer, forget it because they take Fridays off.

Speaker 1:
[45:02] Oh my God. And then you got Jewish holidays.

Speaker 2:
[45:05] Yes. Sorry, they don't work nearly as hard as they want people to think they do.

Speaker 1:
[45:10] Well, that's the thing about the board. Like you get to it. Everybody wants to be on the board because, you know, that's the easiest job.

Speaker 2:
[45:16] Totally, totally. It's their assistants who are like, they'd be lost without their assistants.

Speaker 1:
[45:23] Do you remember Norm MacDonald's, maybe his greatest moment in history? He was on Conan O'Brien and they brought on, can't remember the actress's name, but she was co-starring in a film with Dane Cook. And Norm was, Norm called it called Dane Box Office Poison on the show. And then Conan is just like, Norm, you can't say that. And the woman is like putting up with it and the audience is dying. And then at the end, Conan goes, well, don't forget to check out so-and-so's new movie, Chairman of the Board. Norm, anything you want to say about that? And he goes, yeah, is it spelled B-O-R-E-D?

Speaker 2:
[46:19] That's hilarious.

Speaker 1:
[46:20] And even Conan had to like just put his head back and laugh. It was perfect.

Speaker 2:
[46:25] That's so funny. OK, so there was a spring festival at the school. Every year, there is the fall festival, this festival, and they're always the same. And I never want to go to them. But the kids really wanted to go. So we went. And so this is the high. The high is we got there and Elliott instantly met up with a friend, and then they kind of like took off and were clearly going to do their own thing. And I was like, OK, he's at that age now. And then Owen also was kind of going off on his own and handling. There's a, you get a passport, and then there's different booths set up like different countries. And you go to the different booths and you get stamps and stuff. And I was just like, Owen is someone who at home, he'll be like, I need water. Like he, he gets people to do things for him. And I realized that's a choice we're making. But anyway, he's not-

Speaker 1:
[47:20] You're Concierge's parent.

Speaker 2:
[47:22] Yes, I am. And so to see him be independent like this was really, I was really so happy to see him just take control of his little environment. At the same time, I felt a little bit like, I love this independence, but these kids don't have phones on them. There's a lot of people here. I, I'm not entirely comfortable with them just taking off and us just being like, hopefully we'll meet up at the end. Um, so I was like kind of trying to follow Owen from behind, like giving him distance. Um, and then he took off at one point. So, so the high, okay, now we're getting into where it goes into the low. The high is I was so happy to see their independence, especially Owen who is, is not really at age level independence wise. Um, and then Owen started taking off for the sensory. So, you know, Owen is autistic. There's a sensory room at the school for kids who need a break. So he starts going to the sensory room and I'm like, look at that. He's like, I know what I need. I'm going to go to this room. So Daniel and I are following him from behind. We're probably like, I don't know, 25 feet behind him, just to keep an eye on him. And so then we sit down at a table behind, like sort of near where Owen is. And another parent texts me and says, Elliot is looking for you. And I'm like, oh no, anyway, this is getting very long. I'll make it fast. The low is Elliot was in tears. He was like, you abandoned me. I was looking for you for so long. I didn't know where you were. And then he was like, I just never, this is more to Daniel than to me. He was like, I just never thought I would be abandoned at my own school. I just never thought I'd be in my own school and I'd be abandoned by my parents.

Speaker 1:
[49:21] Wow, that's very over dramatic, isn't it?

Speaker 2:
[49:23] It is. I mean, when I was growing up, someone would have said like, oh, it's Sandra Burn, no, it was not Sandra Bernhardt, but there was like a famous melodramatic actress. I think she might be named the same thing.

Speaker 1:
[49:39] I think she is named the same thing.

Speaker 2:
[49:41] I don't know what a modern reference is to like a very dramatic child, but it was real to him. I mean, he was, so I felt very guilty about that. Well, for the next festival, we'll just have to figure out a better plan.

Speaker 1:
[49:58] Did he, did he text you?

Speaker 2:
[50:00] No, because he doesn't have a phone.

Speaker 1:
[50:02] Oh, he doesn't have a phone.

Speaker 2:
[50:04] Right. It was another parent texted me and said, Elliot is looking for you.

Speaker 1:
[50:08] Well, look, those are formative moments for a kid. They're very hurtful and, you know, it'll stay with them a little bit, but it's part of leaving the nest.

Speaker 2:
[50:20] He's only just turned nine. It's time for him to get an apartment.

Speaker 1:
[50:24] Yep.

Speaker 2:
[50:26] All right.

Speaker 1:
[50:26] My high was I started going to therapy about a month ago.

Speaker 2:
[50:32] Yes. Good.

Speaker 1:
[50:33] And it's very weird to be 60 and sitting there talking to a therapist about your mother. You go, oh, come on. Jesus Christ. How trite is this?

Speaker 2:
[50:43] Right.

Speaker 1:
[50:44] And I don't talk about her a lot. I talk about her a little bit. I talk about my dad, probably more. And but in talking to him, I had to describe my life a lot. And I realized, like, he must think I'm really crazy because I'm like, he's like, so tell me about your life. Well, I'm married 26 years. I love my wife. I'm attracted to her. We hang out nonstop. I have really good friends. I have two kids that love me and want to be around me. I'll own my house next year. I do what I love for a living and I'm moderately successful and I'm healthy. And I just look at him like, I don't know either. I don't know either why I'm here. You know, and I go, I said, I feel like I've got this amazing life. I just wish I was living it.

Speaker 2:
[51:36] Yes, I hear that.

Speaker 1:
[51:37] You know, and so anyway, it was kind of a breakthrough. It gave me, gave me like a giant step back in saying like, all right, you're 60 now, just fucking take it in. You did the work. You passed the test. Take a victory lap now. You know, I got, I'm three quarters of the way through my life and I'm allowed to feel good about it, which I don't.

Speaker 2:
[52:03] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[52:04] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:06] Do you think it's, do you think, do you see a path toward being able to?

Speaker 1:
[52:10] Yes, I do. I think it's a matter of letting go of feeling jealous. Well, you were at my party. Do we talk about that?

Speaker 2:
[52:24] We talked about your party on the last one. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[52:26] Yeah. So you saw the speeches, right?

Speaker 2:
[52:29] No, I was not there at the speech.

Speaker 1:
[52:30] Oh, right.

Speaker 2:
[52:31] I wish I had.

Speaker 1:
[52:32] Yeah. Well, Mike Gibbons' speech was he asked AI what I needed to do. And AI was basically saying, stop comparing yourself to Adam Carolla and Joe Rogan. Yeah. And it was like it said, look sideways, not up. And so I think that that like it was actually a very meaningful speech. And I burst out crying when I gave my speech and I wasn't able to complete it.

Speaker 2:
[52:58] I can't believe I missed all that. It's still on video somewhere.

Speaker 1:
[53:01] Yeah, I got to find it. I got to track down some videos because all I know is people, a couple of people are videotaping the other speeches. And then the second I burst into tears, every phone came out and started recording for blackmail. That was Owen Smith.

Speaker 2:
[53:22] Who was it? What was Owen Smith?

Speaker 1:
[53:24] Oh, I thought you were talking about the blackmail at the party.

Speaker 2:
[53:29] Um, I have been thinking about similar things. I have been thinking about how, just that I think I'm having a midlife crisis or midlife crisisy things are happening to me. And I feel like I am still engaging with the world like a much younger person. Like, I'm still wanting to, I'm wanting recognition and I'm wanting to make a name for myself. And I'm wanting to make my way in the world. And those are, those are a younger person's thing. I'm at the point where I should just kind of try to, same as what you're saying, like enjoy the life that I have.

Speaker 1:
[54:10] Stay in your lane.

Speaker 2:
[54:11] Enjoy what's here. Yes.

Speaker 1:
[54:12] Yeah. Right.

Speaker 2:
[54:13] Which doesn't mean have no ambition, but time is not infinite, like at all.

Speaker 1:
[54:20] Neither is energy. And as you get older, like I used to get excited. I was always pitching shows and, you know, and now I'm just like, oh God, if I pitch a show, then I got to fucking work on it. And you gotta get excited about it and get disappointed. And you just don't like, you can still get excited about a couple things, but not as many things as you used to.

Speaker 2:
[54:42] Right.

Speaker 1:
[54:43] And this business really is about having many irons in the fire because most of them don't pan out. So, you know, it's just about realizing that you put irons in the fire and a couple of them worked out. And that's fine. Now you can step away from the fire a little bit. You don't need the fire.

Speaker 2:
[55:04] Right. It is interesting though, like those jolts of attention, which I imagine you get every time you're on stage. But for me, it's like, you know, a podcast appearance or like I would, I guessed it on Never Not Funny at Flappers recently. And like doing that. And it's like that those jolts of attention do feel so good.

Speaker 1:
[55:29] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[55:30] But it's also like sort of meaningless.

Speaker 1:
[55:34] It is meaningless, but it feels good. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I think, I think life is made up of a lot of different, what's the drug that makes you feel good?

Speaker 2:
[55:47] Dopamine.

Speaker 1:
[55:48] Dopamine. There's a lot of little dopamine hits in life and there's light ones, there's surface, and there's deep ones. And I think life is made up of all those and you just have to keep a balance of all of them.

Speaker 2:
[56:03] Yeah, I agree. Do we have, have we heard from any of our listeners?

Speaker 1:
[56:10] You wrote. As a matter of fact, there's a Texan, I don't know the name, but they're from Texas. Alison and Greg, been meaning to email you forever. I'm finally doing it. I've been listening to Childish for about six years. I started listening back when my husband and I were trying to have our first baby. It took us two years and it was one of the hardest seasons of our lives. That's more than a season. Your podcast became such a comfort during that time, sometimes light, funny and honest, that I could count on every two weeks when our second child surprised us right after our first turned up with absolutely no planning. I remember laughing to myself thinking about all the parenting conversations you've had over the years and how unpredictable this whole journey really is. I just want to say thank you for showing up, for being honest and funny, talking about the hard stuff too. Greg, hearing you speak openly about depression has meant a lot to me too. My husband has been battling depression. He's also struggled with alcoholism in the past, though he's doing much better now, which I'm incredibly grateful for. Hearing someone is successful and happy, see this? Talk about mental health so openly gives me a sense of peace. It reminds me that it can happen to anyone and there's hope in talking about it. If you have any advice for spouses supporting partners through depression, I would love to hear it. It can feel lonely sometimes, even in a very loving marriage. This is our 10 year anniversary and despite the hard seasons, we are very happy and grateful for the life we've built together. Your podcast has been truly a part of the background of our family and life. I want to let you know how much it's meant to me. We never read this before, have we?

Speaker 2:
[57:55] I don't think so. For a second, I was like, wait, I don't think we did.

Speaker 1:
[57:59] Well, the advice I would give somebody who's with a depressed person is to just don't take it personal and give them some space to go down when they need to. You know, just put a bandaid in your mind, put a bandaid on their forehead and just say, okay, this is something they deal with and I need to support them and be there, but I don't need to cure this.

Speaker 2:
[58:24] That's hard. Are either you or Erin very codependent? Like, do you take on each other's moods?

Speaker 1:
[58:34] Not much. No, she's very supportive. And I think she really, like, if I'm in a space, I'll just go in the other room and then I'll hear her watching TV and laughing. And but then she'll check on me, you know, but she does. She's like she comes from nurses. Her mom was a nurse. Her aunt was a nurse. Her father was a doctor. And she's able to care for people without taking it on personally.

Speaker 2:
[58:59] So good. Yeah, that's so good. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[59:02] And she got a she got a she got a master's in social work from Columbia. And so she worked in a men's AIDS homeless shelter in Harlem. And so it's like, yeah, she can handle me.

Speaker 2:
[59:16] Yeah. This is such a nice, meaningful e-mail. See, you being open about your depression as a as a successful person. No, helps people say. Do you ever look at people who don't have any sort of depression and just think like, God, what's that like?

Speaker 1:
[59:33] I know I do. And then sometimes in a moment where I'm not depressed, I go, oh, this is what it feels like. And I think about people being able to make choices about what to do. Just just casually, I'm constantly counting my calories. Like, do I have the energy? Do I have the mood to do this thing? And I have to be very judicious about what I take on because I can sink at any moment.

Speaker 2:
[60:01] My thing is, well, two things. One, this woman that I follow posted something about going to bed already excited about the coffee and dog walk in the morning. And I was thinking, I am the opposite. When I wake up, I'm excited about when I can go back to bed.

Speaker 1:
[60:19] Yes. Yes.

Speaker 2:
[60:21] I oftentimes, I'll wake up in the very early morning. And like before it's time to get up, but just in sort of half awake, and I'll think about what I have to do that day. And no matter what it is, I'm like, I can't do it. I don't have it. I don't have it in me to do a show. I don't have it in me to do this. I don't have it in me to go there. And then I started thinking, well, of course, that's how I feel at 4 a.m. I'm asleep. Like I'm not awake yet. Yeah. But is that how I feel like I feel like there's other people who probably wake up and think of it with what they have to do that day and think like, yes, I can't wait to do that.

Speaker 1:
[60:57] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[61:00] I'd like to be one, but I'm not.

Speaker 1:
[61:02] I mean, I take a lot of medications that make me feel closer to that than I used to. But it's still just you accept your limitations, you know? All comes out in the wash.

Speaker 2:
[61:15] You know, I remember as a young person, if there were like, let's say I had a crush on some guy and I was going to see him the next day, or we were going to go on a date or something, then it'd be like going to sleep, I'd be like, I can't wait for tomorrow. But that's really the last time I can think of feeling like, I can't sleep, I'm so excited for tomorrow.

Speaker 1:
[61:38] I know, those hormones, I don't know if it's hormones, whatever that feeling is on your first crushes when you're young, I don't know that there's an intensity that matches that in life. Maybe having a child gets close to that, but man, you are buzzing.

Speaker 2:
[61:57] And the amount of energy it gives you, would you drive 3,000 miles to see this person? Yes, I would, and it would be the best 3,000 miles. I cannot imagine that anymore.

Speaker 1:
[62:09] Yep. No, I had a girlfriend in college and I worked really hard at two jobs and I flew to Europe to see her cause she was studying abroad. I had no fucking money.

Speaker 2:
[62:21] Yeah. It's crazy.

Speaker 1:
[62:24] Yep. All right.

Speaker 2:
[62:26] You gotta apply some of that to Childish.

Speaker 1:
[62:28] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[62:31] We're gonna bring that kind of infatuation, intensity, energy to Childish.

Speaker 1:
[62:36] I feel like we flirt with our listeners and I think that there is a buzz.

Speaker 2:
[62:40] Yeah, I think so. There's something electric.

Speaker 1:
[62:42] Yeah. Speaking of electric, I've run out of power on my computer, so we should probably wrap it up.

Speaker 2:
[62:49] Let's do it.

Speaker 1:
[62:50] I'm down to 8%. We did it. We did it, Alison. Once again, this is a world that is filled with doubters. This is not always podcasting has become cutthroat and a lot of people are gunning for us.

Speaker 2:
[63:04] It's a real dog eat dog like Wall Street type feel in these podcasting circles that we run in.

Speaker 1:
[63:11] And Polar has become polarizing as far as I'm concerned because she has gone after us on her podcast a numerous times saying that we can't do it.

Speaker 2:
[63:23] Yeah, that's Polar, Smartless. Dax Shepard has even said we can't do it. It's like, excuse me? Oh, now you're jumping on that bandwagon.

Speaker 1:
[63:33] I mean, last time I checked, we've been doing it a lot longer than you have.

Speaker 2:
[63:38] Yeah, we have been.

Speaker 1:
[63:39] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[63:40] Try eight-ish years. I can't remember, but I think it's, it's been eight years.

Speaker 1:
[63:45] It's been eight years easily. Yep. And when I say easily, it's so easy to do. Alison, it's a pleasure. Thank you for hanging out. I'm Greg Fitzsimmons.

Speaker 2:
[63:55] I'm Alison Rosen.

Speaker 1:
[63:56] And we are Childish.