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Speaker 1:
[00:00] This is The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Podcast.
Speaker 2:
[00:08] Ah, the NFL Draft, where hope begins and overreactions start immediately. Join us live, Draft Watch, presented by Bucked Up. Tomorrow night, 745 Eastern, on YouTube, at Le Batard Show. I lost my breath.
Speaker 3:
[00:22] Okay, very good.
Speaker 2:
[00:23] A little breath issue, I'm breathing.
Speaker 3:
[00:24] I'm sure the new sponsor is very proud of how you read that. What the? It's tomorrow night. We're doing this part of our draft coverage. We're about to bring in Dr. Fred Johnson. He's the doctor of leadership in a second. Greg Cody was saying, Fred Johnson seems like a name from another time. I don't know how you become a doctor of leadership, but he became a doctor of leadership. Fred Johnson seemed like a name to you, you were saying, that isn't common.
Speaker 4:
[00:50] Well, I love names like that because I grew up with a name that I always had to, it was always mispronounced. I had to always spell it. So I love names like Fred Johnson, Bob Edwards, Al Miller, just names that are right out there. They, you know exactly what they are. You don't have to, how many times in his life has Fred Johnson been asked to spell his name?
Speaker 3:
[01:10] No, no follow up questions. That's right. You've got just, that's it. He gets to say, Fred Johnson, everyone understands.
Speaker 5:
[01:15] So you love names like Steve Smith?
Speaker 4:
[01:17] Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3:
[01:18] Just real easy. You're never going to get tripped up. You don't have any follow up questions.
Speaker 4:
[01:22] Well, yeah, the other thing I wanted to say about Dr. Johnson is that you got to have a lot of talent, which you do obviously, to live up to the name leadership coach. Okay? And here's why. If you call yourself an influencer, you better influence people, right? If you call yourself a motivational speaker, my hesitation is, I'm going to say, you can't motivate me. I'm going to challenge that. So when you're a leadership coach, man, you better lead and congratulations to you. What's up, Doc?
Speaker 3:
[01:53] Okay, he just went off the rails and... What's up, Doc? He has done work with the Packers, with Jacksonville. The reason we're having him on with Seattle, the reason we're having him on is because he's also worked with the Dolphins and the Dolphins are in need of leadership. He's the founder of Initiative One and I'll get to him in a second. But Trista, do you have any follow up questions for Greg Cody on his list of catchphrases?
Speaker 6:
[02:20] What was the screech with ver good? Screech!
Speaker 4:
[02:25] No, it's not ver good, it's very good. Very good. You know, we say it like a parrot. We say it like a parrot that may be off in the distance. You're hearing a talking parrot off in the distance saying- Very good. And we're trying to get that started so that fans use it at stadiums and arenas.
Speaker 2:
[02:43] We use it at the fronton.
Speaker 4:
[02:45] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[02:45] When the cyclones get a big point.
Speaker 4:
[02:46] Very good. We do. And I'd like to hear that during PGA Tour events. A guy sinks a putt. The gallery in Unison goes- Very good. Why? So we're trying to-
Speaker 6:
[02:56] What's the sequitur to the parrot? Uncle Dick?
Speaker 4:
[03:00] Yeah. Uncle Dick will say that. But I-
Speaker 2:
[03:04] Uncle Dick of Dick's Rough Riders.
Speaker 4:
[03:06] Yeah. But I invented that. It's just a parrot off in the distance. What can I say?
Speaker 3:
[03:11] Okay. We'll get back to this in a second. I want all your follow up questions. But Fred Johnson is a leadership coach and he's been waiting very patiently here. And you got very self-involved with that explanation. You really enjoyed it. Trista, it's a parrot that says very good out of the side of its mouth.
Speaker 4:
[03:27] Right.
Speaker 3:
[03:28] That's it.
Speaker 4:
[03:28] As if in the distance. Very good.
Speaker 2:
[03:31] You want people in the room to be confused on who said it.
Speaker 4:
[03:33] Poor Dr. Fred Johnson right now. He's shaking his head.
Speaker 3:
[03:36] General managers are finalizing their draft boards right now. Fred, so help us. When you are the founder of Initiative One and a franchise, self-serious, sacred franchise that's a billion dollar business comes your way and is soliciting your leadership, why and how are they doing that? Why are they coming to you?
Speaker 7:
[03:55] Because they're wanting to figure out if that player that they're about to draft for a $27 million contract is either going to give lift to their locker room or tear up their locker room. That's bottom line.
Speaker 3:
[04:10] And so you're studying personality types. You're teaching them how to measure someone's character.
Speaker 7:
[04:19] Well, to be honest with you, most coaches, and it's a problem, most coaches' character is, and leadership is a nice little add on. If I encounter a team that has executives with that kind of an attitude, I never have much hope for them in the future. So, it's my role, based upon my background and my particular guess, to be able to walk into a combine room, cut through all the polite, yes sir, yes sir, they're all coached up, they're all saying the right perfect things. It's my job to figure out, is this guy real? Is he authentic? Just going through the motions? Is he full of himself? Does he care about himself? Does he put the team first? All of those are the things that I'm looking for when I walk in, and it's my job to figure that out within 10 minutes.
Speaker 8:
[05:19] Doc, so you're basically a professional bullshit smeller. You walk into the building, maybe kick the saloon door open, you look around, you go, this guy's full of shit.
Speaker 7:
[05:30] You know, that's exactly what I do. And there's a lot of it in these, in not as much in the lock rooms as there is in the coaching suites.
Speaker 3:
[05:41] Are you saying that the reason that people come to you is because they're about to make a multi-million dollar investment, and you're better at sniffing out fraud than others?
Speaker 7:
[05:53] Well, all I can tell you, I don't know if I can sniff it out better than others. I'm just very, I'm very confident in my ability. To get to what is real and to separate someone who you don't really want in your locker room as opposed to, that's one of the best decisions we ever made. I'll give you an example. I interviewed Aaron Hernandez back in 2010. He walks in with a swagger and I'm going, they walked out and they said, man, this guy is fantastic. I said, if you hire this guy, I'm telling you in the long run, he may be able to fool you for a short time, but in the long run, he will kill your team. Dead eyes. Yeah, literally and figuratively. Another one was Eric Berry, who was drafted out of Tennessee by the Kansas City Chiefs. He walked in and I'm telling you, he owned the room within a moment. The guy has charisma walking out of every pore. You could tell he was the real deal. Earl Thomas was another one. And so, I think probably my all-time favorite character guy, who combined both high performance and high character, which is what you want, was probably Kaleus Campbell or Maurice Jones Drew. Those are the three to four people that you want on a team. If you can have three to four people, which I call high trust, high performance guys, and you surround it with solid performers who don't bring in a bunch of drama and are not narcissists that only care about their stats and their glory, you can compete for the Super Bowl. Your culture will determine whether you've got a collection of individuals or you've got a team that's going to come together. I've never seen a great team that had a poor culture. I've never seen it. I've worked with college basketball, I've worked with professional baseball, I've worked with college football and the NFL.
Speaker 3:
[08:24] What about all the times you were wrong? What about all those times you were wrong? You're giving us all the times you got it right.
Speaker 7:
[08:29] I have been fooled. I have been fooled. And the very best can fool you in the short term. But you know, I'll tell you that you can get through the front door, but ultimately you can't get to the vault.
Speaker 5:
[08:44] Hello.
Speaker 9:
[08:46] How do you find teams that you've worked with, how do you find most of them balance how strongly they feel about the player compared to how strongly you're feeling about the player?
Speaker 7:
[08:58] Well, with Seattle, I remember one year I gave them seven recommendations and they followed all seven recommendations, but I have deep, deep trust with Jon Schneider. I mean, I coached him.
Speaker 3:
[09:12] Okay, but forgive me for interrupting you. The only reason I'm interrupting you is that's you nailing it more than anyone in the sport nailed it. You just gave us your credentials the way Dwayne Wade did before the show. Seattle did what I told them and they won the championship.
Speaker 7:
[09:26] Well, they've come to me twice. They came to me right before they won the Super Bowl and they came to me again after they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5:
[09:35] Salute. Can you tell... I mean, I don't want to put you on the spot, brother. Can you tell my character or is it like you have to be around me more? Or can you read me from here?
Speaker 7:
[09:46] Well, yeah, I wouldn't want my daughter dating you. You guys said you can give it out. I told you I can give it back.
Speaker 5:
[09:59] Yes, sir. Do me next?
Speaker 7:
[10:02] There you go.
Speaker 6:
[10:03] Pause. Big time pause. Dr. Johnson.
Speaker 3:
[10:07] Doctor, thank you for being on with us. He's the leadership coach and the founder of Initiative One. We appreciate the time.
Speaker 7:
[10:15] Thank you.
Speaker 3:
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Speaker 9:
[13:07] I did not expect that. Who could have saw Lakers going up 2-0? That's nuts.
Speaker 3:
[13:18] I have been doing this long time and I have simply never had that reaction that I just had. Stunned, speechless by something someone had said. And I had Tim Hardaway on our show saying he hated gay people. Like, I've never been stunned into speechlessness by an answer where I'm paid to continue broadcasting. I'm also paid for the judgment of being sort of the managing editor of what we're doing around here. And someone surprised me so much with an offensive answer to a question that I just get stunned into speechlessness. Because we're having him on as an expert on being able to judge personalities. And I feel like I've got a little bit of knowledge on how to judge this personality. And he just gave us he did what Warren Sharp did that time. He came on with his expertise and then went over 16 on the games that he was picking. Like, how can that be the answer when we're having you on as an expert to talk about how to judge draft picks? Like, how does that even happen?
Speaker 2:
[14:25] Can we one time for Juju's grace in that spot?
Speaker 8:
[14:28] Yes.
Speaker 5:
[14:30] Good job. Good job. Get him into me.
Speaker 6:
[14:33] I was ready to jump on the mother f***ing table.
Speaker 3:
[14:39] I've never had that happen to me before. Where I just, I don't know what to say.
Speaker 8:
[14:44] You're also pretty stunned yesterday when I brought up the FIU story. You didn't say anything there for five seconds.
Speaker 2:
[14:49] Should I put it in the club? I'll think about it. We'll circle back.
Speaker 4:
[14:54] And that's a leadership coach who said that, by the way.
Speaker 3:
[14:57] I just can't.
Speaker 9:
[14:59] That was such bad judgment.
Speaker 3:
[15:02] We're having him on because his judgment just made a champion Seahawks team and he could tell that Aaron Hernandez was a murder.
Speaker 2:
[15:09] Good shout by him.
Speaker 5:
[15:10] Dummy up, save up. Am I right?
Speaker 4:
[15:12] Yes. Well put.
Speaker 3:
[15:15] Krista, what other questions do you have about his catchphrases?
Speaker 6:
[15:19] Hams? What about the hams?
Speaker 4:
[15:22] Oh, when it's really, you know, in a freezer, when the hams are hanging on hooks, you're walking into an industrial freezer where it's probably about 45 degrees or something of that nature. And so when it's so cold in here, there ought to be hams hanging on hooks.
Speaker 3:
[15:40] 25 degrees.
Speaker 8:
[15:41] That's like your fridge. Your fridge is colder than that.
Speaker 3:
[15:43] It's gotta be freezing. It's gotta be freezing.
Speaker 8:
[15:45] It's lower than freezing.
Speaker 3:
[15:46] Can you explain to her, Fuller?
Speaker 4:
[15:47] Yeah, it's probably 20, probably 25.
Speaker 3:
[15:49] She still doesn't understand the very first of your catchphrases, number 50.
Speaker 6:
[15:53] She still doesn't understand. Umber, fur, fur, fur, fur.
Speaker 4:
[15:55] Yeah, I'm Fuller than Vern Fuller. Vern Fuller was a nondescript journeyman second baseman who played mostly for the Cleveland, maybe entirely for the Cleveland Indians circa mid-60s. And when I invented that phrase, I thought of the only Fuller I knew, the only person with the surname Fuller. And I invented I'm Fuller than Vern Fuller. I'm coming up from the dinner table. I just had seconds. I'm a little bit bloated. Man, I am Fuller than Vern Fuller. And it just stuck with me. And Vern Fuller to this day is still with us, age 82. And I mean to get him on my podcast to discuss with him. And congratulate him for the honor of being one of my catchphrases.
Speaker 3:
[16:43] You're going to bestow it on him as part of your podcast pageantry?
Speaker 4:
[16:46] Yes.
Speaker 3:
[16:47] You and an 82-
Speaker 2:
[16:47] Picture an 80-year-old coming on, like, all right, I've got on the Zoom. What do you want to tell me? I'm number one on your catchphrases?
Speaker 4:
[16:54] I think you'll be honored.
Speaker 3:
[16:56] I would love to hear the original sound of your father explaining to Vern Fuller why he's having him on a podcast as an 82-year-old guest. I think I would like to listen to what that conversation would sound like.
Speaker 8:
[17:11] Didn't have a batting average over 250 his entire career. Vern Fuller did.
Speaker 4:
[17:15] Yeah. There you go.
Speaker 1:
[17:17] Hee-haw. Hee-haw three.
Speaker 9:
[17:20] Well, okay, hold on. Before you explain it, what do you think that is?
Speaker 6:
[17:25] I have absolutely-
Speaker 9:
[17:26] Give it to her again.
Speaker 3:
[17:27] But wait, she doesn't know, she didn't hear the little sneak at the end, which he didn't put. I don't think he put it in the original catchphrase when we went through the top 50. I think we got to do it again. He didn't do that part.
Speaker 11:
[17:37] He always puts it in.
Speaker 8:
[17:39] He always puts it in.
Speaker 4:
[17:40] Always.
Speaker 3:
[17:40] No, he didn't do the bidet up.
Speaker 4:
[17:42] He did. But you have to take a beat or two. You can't say it immediately. It's, hee-haw three. Pause. Bidet up.
Speaker 6:
[17:51] What do you think that is? Oh, I didn't hear that. What do you think that is? Is that about a toilet?
Speaker 4:
[17:55] No.
Speaker 6:
[17:55] It's not about a bidet?
Speaker 4:
[17:57] No. No.
Speaker 3:
[17:58] Greg, don't tell her yet. I'd like to explain this. And I'd have also a visual reenactment, if you don't mind. Just, I want to tell this story again because it is a real delight. Back in my day, when kids played in the neighborhood with other kids.
Speaker 2:
[18:13] For the audio audience, he's getting behind Dan.
Speaker 3:
[18:15] And Greg Cody was the umpire for the games of street ball that he, his brother, and the neighborhood kids would play. He was the home plate umpire, okay? And the kids, and I think it can be said now, the kids were embarrassed by him consistently. And it's because his strike three call, He made it about himself. His strike three call, okay? If you happen to either swing and miss or take a pitch that you shouldn't have taken, both times he would call this is his signature umpire call that would echo throughout the neighborhood.
Speaker 4:
[18:51] He hall three, ba-dap.
Speaker 5:
[18:54] Not much of a pause there.
Speaker 3:
[18:56] Not much of a pause. He got a little scared under the big lights of having to go back to his umpiring past.
Speaker 4:
[19:02] Well, originally it was just he hall three, the ba-dap came later.
Speaker 6:
[19:05] What's the ba-dap?
Speaker 4:
[19:06] Ba-dap is nothing but a sound.
Speaker 2:
[19:09] Just a dismount?
Speaker 4:
[19:10] Yeah, it's just a sound. There's no individual meaning to it. It's a ba-dap.
Speaker 9:
[19:16] So you're just making up words.
Speaker 2:
[19:19] Does it have anything to do with batter up? Like the next batter? He hall three, batter up.
Speaker 4:
[19:23] No, but that's a good...
Speaker 9:
[19:25] That's what I thought. I thought it's batter up.
Speaker 4:
[19:27] No, but we're going to add that to the etymology though.
Speaker 2:
[19:31] But it's not true.
Speaker 4:
[19:33] But it could be. It could be. It's in the neighborhood. Thank you.
Speaker 3:
[19:38] Please explain what it means to point at your son and say we're going to add that to the etymology.
Speaker 4:
[19:47] Part of the catchphrase countdown is that I explain the origin of all the phrases, how they began, why they began, what they mean. Some of them are popular or even known because of this show or my own podcast. Some of them are private. The only people who've ever heard me say them are Christopher and maybe a couple of friends along the way. So there's an etymology behind all of them, you know, a backstory.
Speaker 6:
[20:14] You're the kind of guy that what?
Speaker 4:
[20:15] I'm the kind of guy. I'm the kind of guy that will give you that etymology, whether you want it or not, you know, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:
[20:23] That kind of thing, probably a top tenner.
Speaker 4:
[20:25] I'm the kind of guy that is an homage to my late great friend, Alan Cherry, who passed away, gosh, probably eight years ago or so.
Speaker 3:
[20:35] Your singing inspiration as well made you think you could be a songwriter and a performer, correct?
Speaker 4:
[20:41] Not a songwriter, but a performer, but a performer.
Speaker 2:
[20:44] Who made you think you could be a songwriter?
Speaker 4:
[20:47] Well, my love of music and my ability to write sort of were a nexus for me.
Speaker 3:
[20:54] I would love a freestyle between you and Trist at some future date, but that would require a collab. I mean, of course, like that's the way to go. I'm still reeling from Dr. Fred Johnson.
Speaker 4:
[21:04] Yeah, me too.
Speaker 3:
[21:05] I'm simply not right.
Speaker 6:
[21:07] I looked at Juju when he came on. This is behind the scenes and I go, I said, this guy seems racist.
Speaker 2:
[21:14] She called it.
Speaker 6:
[21:15] I said this guy.
Speaker 2:
[21:15] Kind of the way he did with Aaron Hernandez, she called it with him.
Speaker 6:
[21:18] I could be Fred Johnson.
Speaker 9:
[21:21] I got scared. I get really bad secondhand embarrassment.
Speaker 4:
[21:25] I did too.
Speaker 9:
[21:26] I like I was I was I was very scared.
Speaker 2:
[21:30] I'll admit that after Trista said it, I kind of piled on and was like, yeah, he definitely thought Lamar Jackson was a wide receiver.
Speaker 6:
[21:37] When we get those crazy things that come out of Draft Day and they're like, oh, do you know these GMs were asking how many toothpicks will fit inside of a glass box? And do you have any outstanding babies we've never heard of? That's Fred Johnson.
Speaker 5:
[21:56] I'm like, that James Franco meme. It's just a Wednesday for me. First time, guys.
Speaker 3:
[22:05] I just want to put up their faces side by side by side. You guys were afraid of Fred Johnson. You guys, Fred Johnson walked in the doctor, Dr. Bullshit Smeller.
Speaker 8:
[22:18] Kicked open the saloon door.
Speaker 3:
[22:19] As Tony called him, Dr. Bullshit Smeller comes in and tells everybody, Seattle, other picks.
Speaker 12:
[22:26] They did what I told them and they won the Sioux Bowl.
Speaker 8:
[22:33] I mean, that kind of thing.
Speaker 6:
[22:36] I'm the kind of guy that knows that Aaron Hernandez is going to kill people.
Speaker 4:
[22:40] Yes, that's what he should have said.
Speaker 5:
[22:42] Catch is catch can.
Speaker 4:
[22:43] Yeah, right?
Speaker 9:
[22:44] That was a shocking answer. He had in the holster, ready to go, when Juju asked, can you judge me?
Speaker 2:
[22:53] And man, did he think it was funny. He started laughing. He was like, oh.
Speaker 3:
[22:57] And the even better part, like his daughter's 34. He's making the decisions on who his daughter dates. Throw that one in there as well.
Speaker 5:
[23:10] He wouldn't want it. Let's just be fair. It's not enforcing.
Speaker 3:
[23:14] It's a sitcom. It's a sitcom. You being buddies with that guy and going through the world with him, with him making.
Speaker 9:
[23:27] It'd be like, it's like in Carp. It's Larry David and what's his name?
Speaker 5:
[23:32] JB. Smoove. Yeah, yes sir.
Speaker 9:
[23:34] That's right. You'd live together.
Speaker 3:
[23:35] I'm, what I'm telling you is that I can't write a better skit than what just happened on our show where we're telling the audience, this is a man who judges people correctly for football teams. That's how, that's the whole setup. It's the whole, if I were writing a comedy hour on how to do this, let me bring somebody in who's a doctor. I'm gonna inform the audience he's a doctor and he's the leadership coach. It's unlike most guests we do around here. This is not a, it's not a normal thing. Anybody who's been listening to our show might have been suspicious from the beginning. Why are they even doing this? This isn't something that they normally do. Why is this person on? Just in general, our audience might have been surprised by that guest. To have that go that way, stunned into silence for the first time in my career at the end of it, old freedom fighter Dan, just so stunned that he cannot speak.
Speaker 6:
[24:32] Never really been a part of true racism where you could stand up and fight, Dan.
Speaker 3:
[24:38] I'm on the front lines.
Speaker 8:
[24:40] You were silent.
Speaker 3:
[24:41] Silence by Fred Johnson and his doctor credential.
Speaker 8:
[24:45] You always think that when you see somebody robbing somebody else, you're like, I'm going to step in and do something about it. Then they run off with the person, you're like, I'm frozen.
Speaker 9:
[24:53] Do you think we could hear it in your voice when you said goodbye?
Speaker 3:
[24:56] I don't remember. I blacked out. I don't remember how I said goodbye. I think my eyes were closed. I was trying to figure out how.
Speaker 6:
[25:06] I was embarrassed.
Speaker 3:
[25:07] To the height of both offense and embarrassment, do I respond without embarrassing everybody involved?
Speaker 6:
[25:14] He thought it was an excellent joke. He was like, you said, he said, I need to be able to dish it out. And I dished it.
Speaker 9:
[25:20] Yeah. He was like, yeah.
Speaker 5:
[25:22] He said he'd dish it out too. Look, what a bad day for Dan's inner monologue to not be here. Cliff is gracious alive.
Speaker 3:
[25:31] That would have been great. For that to make an appearance during Dr. Fred Johnson.
Speaker 9:
[25:36] Who feels worse right now, you or him?
Speaker 5:
[25:39] I think my boyfriend is high right now. He told us, all right, y'all, f with me.
Speaker 3:
[25:45] I think I feel worse. I think he doesn't know what's coming.
Speaker 2:
[25:49] You're picturing Ron Burgundy after he says, go bleed yourself San Diego. He's like, good show, everyone.
Speaker 7:
[25:53] Yep.
Speaker 2:
[25:53] Good job. Do do do.
Speaker 9:
[25:58] Yeah, like, is he saying to him, I thought they were going to have me on for longer?
Speaker 2:
[26:02] His goodbye did make it seem like he was like, ooh, did I do something wrong?
Speaker 6:
[26:06] I can see him mouthing still. He was on Zoom and I'm like, we need either go to break or like we need him off Zoom.
Speaker 2:
[26:14] Good times.
Speaker 11:
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Speaker 8:
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Speaker 11:
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Speaker 1:
[29:08] Dan LeBatard!
Speaker 5:
[29:10] I ain't never met nobody in the world that's done hate on blues clues, bro. Great nomination. Who don't like blues clues, bro? If you don't like blues clues, you're a loser.
Speaker 1:
[29:17] Stugotz!
Speaker 5:
[29:19] Look, you get one paw print, that's the first clue. You put it in a notebook, now what do you do? Blues clues, blues clues.
Speaker 2:
[29:28] Sit on the chair and think about it.
Speaker 1:
[29:29] This is The Dan LeBatard Show with Stugotz.
Speaker 3:
[29:35] Any other catchphrase questions?
Speaker 6:
[29:38] States. What's up with the states?
Speaker 1:
[29:40] Let's go states!
Speaker 4:
[29:44] I invented that four years ago, right before the World Cup, I believe, which is coming up in a month or so, a couple of months. I was tired of the USA chant, and so I invented let's go states as an alternative to USA, USA, let's go states.
Speaker 3:
[30:05] It hasn't caught on.
Speaker 4:
[30:06] It hasn't quite caught on, but at the same time, Mike Ryan told me that he heard the crowd chanting that at Live Nightclub in Miami. So it has caught on a little bit.
Speaker 2:
[30:14] I think he said he started the chant.
Speaker 4:
[30:15] Well, nevertheless, it was heard. Mike Ryan, a big fan of the catchphrases. I'm sorry to miss him today.
Speaker 3:
[30:22] Everyone is.
Speaker 4:
[30:23] Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 6:
[30:24] One-arm paper hanger.
Speaker 4:
[30:26] Oh, one-arm paper hanger. We had on our current episode that just came out, we had Field Yates on the ESPN guy talking about the draft. And I said, Field, special thanks for you being on at this time of year because you're busy in a one-arm paper hanger. What that means, paper hangers, they were a thing. I don't even know if kids nowadays know what a paper hanger is.
Speaker 3:
[30:51] Put it on the poll at the Lebatard Show. Do kids today know what a paper hanger is?
Speaker 4:
[30:55] Yeah, you'd be on a step ladder with wallpaper, which had glue on one side of it. And with a particular brush, you'd be hanging paper. And it was a two-handed job to say the least. And so if you're busier than a one-arm paper hanger, it's like being the alternative to that is, I'm busier than a one-legged punter. You can't punt with one leg, and you can't hang wallpaper with one arm. So that was a natural for me. I wanted to invent something that said busy.
Speaker 6:
[31:29] That's actually not busy. If you can't do it, then you're not busy.
Speaker 4:
[31:32] I know, but if you can do it, it would be...
Speaker 2:
[31:36] If you had to do it one arm.
Speaker 4:
[31:37] Right, I'm busier than a one-arm paper hanger. What's busier than that?
Speaker 2:
[31:41] Well, I wouldn't be that busy. I'd be so focused on doing this thing that's hard to do. I probably wouldn't be that busy.
Speaker 4:
[31:46] Well, let's not split hairs.
Speaker 5:
[31:49] That kind of thing.
Speaker 4:
[31:50] Exactly. Well said.
Speaker 3:
[31:52] Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show. Is a one-legged punter busier? Busiest?
Speaker 4:
[32:00] Imagine being a one-legged punter.
Speaker 2:
[32:02] Yes or no?
Speaker 4:
[32:02] You would be working so hard. I would love to see somebody try it. You know, if you're out there with one leg and you aspire to be a professional football player as a punter, chase your dream.
Speaker 3:
[32:17] No, don't do that. The physics are against you. You won't be able to do it.
Speaker 2:
[32:21] It will be hard to chase anything.
Speaker 4:
[32:22] The one-legged man has been told all his life he can't do it.
Speaker 3:
[32:25] Because he can't.
Speaker 2:
[32:26] Because he needs to hop to your dream.
Speaker 9:
[32:29] You said it.
Speaker 3:
[32:31] Greg, the one-legged punter needs to get some of the power from the other leg. What you're describing is not a physical possibility. There is no possibility of somebody who's a one-legged punter being able to successfully punt in the NFL.
Speaker 4:
[32:48] He's been told that his whole life.
Speaker 9:
[32:49] If he gets past the initial punt coverage, it'd be tough to count on him to be the last man.
Speaker 8:
[32:55] No, he's not making any tackles. I've been tripping people.
Speaker 9:
[32:57] Last line of defense.
Speaker 4:
[32:58] It's physically possible. It is physically possible to punt with one leg.
Speaker 3:
[33:05] But not professionally. Not well.
Speaker 4:
[33:08] I didn't say well. I didn't say he's busier than a one-legged, excellent pro bowl cover.
Speaker 9:
[33:14] I don't think physics can allow you to punt with just one leg.
Speaker 2:
[33:17] I'm going to try to do it. You can probably.
Speaker 3:
[33:20] No, you can do it.
Speaker 8:
[33:22] But you've got two legs. You're doing it with two legs.
Speaker 3:
[33:23] There's no hang time. You can do it. You can do it, but you're going to land on your ass.
Speaker 2:
[33:30] You can jump, essentially.
Speaker 4:
[33:31] You'll land on your rump. Yeah, you'll land on your rump.
Speaker 3:
[33:34] And again, it's four-yard punt. You're going to kick it into the line a lot.
Speaker 9:
[33:40] All of a sudden, he's going to punt, and he's going to be lying. He fell, and he's just lying on the ground.
Speaker 4:
[33:46] You would fall after contact. That's true. But that doesn't mean you fall at the pudding.
Speaker 3:
[33:50] I'll even grant you that we've got such a remarkable acrobat that he's able, every time, to jump up with one leg, kick a football, and then land on that same leg. I'll even grant you that.
Speaker 4:
[33:59] Thank you.
Speaker 3:
[34:00] The ball's going four yards.
Speaker 4:
[34:02] No, it's going 28 yards with hang time. That's because he's got power in that leg.
Speaker 3:
[34:07] There's so many shanks.
Speaker 8:
[34:09] He is right about this. I know where he's going.
Speaker 2:
[34:11] You have one leg.
Speaker 8:
[34:12] You have a stronger leg if you got one leg.
Speaker 4:
[34:14] Thank you.
Speaker 6:
[34:15] If the quadriplegic guy can kill somebody while driving, anything's possible.
Speaker 8:
[34:20] He was driving? It was a drive-by?
Speaker 6:
[34:21] Yeah. Drive-by.
Speaker 4:
[34:22] That's right. No way.
Speaker 8:
[34:24] That can't be true.
Speaker 4:
[34:25] The cornhole guy.
Speaker 8:
[34:26] The cornhole guy was a drive-by shooting?
Speaker 5:
[34:29] It was not a drive-by.
Speaker 4:
[34:31] What are we doing? He steers with stubs, stubs for hands.
Speaker 8:
[34:34] Okay, but how about the gun? Into the mic.
Speaker 3:
[34:35] Let's not do this.
Speaker 4:
[34:36] Let's not do this.
Speaker 12:
[34:37] And he also does this with the cornhole badge.
Speaker 3:
[34:39] That's one I don't want near the mic. That one, I don't want any closer to the mic than Dr. Fred Johnson was.
Speaker 2:
[34:44] Doesn't even crack the top five for problematic shit this hour.
Speaker 4:
[34:47] I was asked about one-legged punter. I explained it. That's all.
Speaker 6:
[34:50] No, you were asked about the one-arm paper hanger.
Speaker 4:
[34:54] Oh, yeah, right. One-arm paper hanger.
Speaker 6:
[34:56] I think we got to retire with that one. As more we peel back the onion, the less it holds water, truly.
Speaker 4:
[35:02] I will say that it's more realistic to be a one-arm paper hanger than it is to be a one-legged punter. But again, the people out there with one leg, and there are dozens.
Speaker 9:
[35:12] Again, we're doing this.
Speaker 6:
[35:13] Dozens.
Speaker 4:
[35:14] I respect them. Like the cats. And I say, chase your dream.
Speaker 6:
[35:17] Just a cump.
Speaker 4:
[35:17] If you want to be a one-legged punter, go do it.
Speaker 3:
[35:18] I'm saying don't chase your dream.
Speaker 2:
[35:20] Yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 3:
[35:21] I'm actively, look.
Speaker 8:
[35:24] First off, you didn't stop racism when it happened. And now you're against one-legged people. Chasing their dreams. Can you imagine?
Speaker 4:
[35:29] Yeah. Greg, sick. No, it's twisted. Very disappointed.
Speaker 8:
[35:33] Crazy town.
Speaker 4:
[35:34] You've got to stand up for it. We don't even call them handicapped anymore, by the way. We don't call them handicapped. They may be disadvantaged by their physical abilities, but-
Speaker 2:
[35:43] You've got to power through, Dan.
Speaker 3:
[35:45] Just stop.
Speaker 4:
[35:48] I'm standing up for the man who stands up on one leg.
Speaker 8:
[35:52] I'm behind, Greg.
Speaker 4:
[35:53] Thank you. And women, the one-legged women out there. You know, flag football is happening.
Speaker 8:
[35:59] Like in The Sopranos.
Speaker 4:
[36:00] Yeah. Right. I've said nothing wrong. I explained one-legged punter. Yeah, nothing right. One-legged paper hanger.
Speaker 3:
[36:13] Flag football is out there?
Speaker 4:
[36:15] It's an odd one. In other words, women can be one-legged punters, too. That's all I'm saying. He's an ally. Thank you. Roy. Neal Rogers, Uncle Neal.
Speaker 2:
[36:39] Enjoy that swig, take a swig.
Speaker 4:
[36:41] I got nothing left.
Speaker 3:
[36:43] That's what it's going to say on his tombstone. We got to put that on the tombstone, put that among the nominees. I got nothing left. Him petering out when we're still on live, taking vigorous swigs.
Speaker 4:
[36:57] Vigorous. Casual swigs.
Speaker 3:
[37:00] When dropping Hall of Fame gold non-stop on the one-legged punter who's not physically possible and cannot chase his dreams, literally or otherwise, because the physics of kicking a football require the second leg and the power of the glutes and everything else, and you're not going to have it if you're just swinging it without the ability to swing another leg. The physics of it. That's the most perfectly placed catchphrase of all time.
Speaker 6:
[37:38] I have one more, and we'll circle back to Pont, but not gonna take a quiz is the last one that I have on my list.
Speaker 4:
[37:46] Yeah, not gonna take a quiz. That's actually something I generally say as an excuse for, I have no idea what you just asked me. I'm not gonna take a quiz as a way of saying I don't know without really admitting it.
Speaker 3:
[38:03] If you haven't heard him on the show, whenever we've trapped him in something and we know that he doesn't know something, that is when he declines to take the quiz. It's 100% truth test. If he declines to take the test, it's an admission without being an admission.
Speaker 4:
[38:17] Yeah, and I'll give you an example. If somebody asked me right now, name five starters for the Milwaukee Brewers, okay? I can't do it, but I don't want to appear stupid, so I'm going to say, I'm not going to take a quiz, as if insulted by the question, not flummoxed by it.
Speaker 2:
[38:34] Who is the Marlin starting third baseman?
Speaker 3:
[38:37] No, let's not do this to him. That's not the game he wants to play.
Speaker 2:
[38:41] I was trying to team him up to say it. Give it to me.
Speaker 3:
[38:45] He'd say it if he knew it.
Speaker 2:
[38:46] No, I meant to say the phrase.
Speaker 4:
[38:47] No, the Milwaukee Brewers I don't know, the Marlins I know.
Speaker 2:
[38:51] So who's that third baseman?
Speaker 4:
[38:52] But I'm not going to take a quiz.
Speaker 3:
[38:55] So there you go.
Speaker 2:
[38:57] And punt, if you're asking, is just during football games. Anytime there's a punt, he just says the word very low. Punt. Right.
Speaker 3:
[39:05] But no, it's not just anytime there's a punt. And this will be part of the wonderful experience tomorrow night. I don't know what's going to happen when we're interfering Greg Cody's work day. This is an important time of year. Zad, you had some questions when he was trying to get an army of thousands to make him a cup of coffee. You had a question about how seriously he takes draft night. This is an important time of the year to him. He takes pride in beating Mel Kuiper Jr. every year. I don't know what catchphrase is going to make an appearance tomorrow night during our watch party. But punt is something that he says that way when the ball makes contact at the precise time that it makes contact with the foot. It is meant to recreate the sound that the ball makes when it hits the foot. So he does it in NFL games whenever there's a punt. At exactly the moment, the ball hits the punter's foot.
Speaker 4:
[39:54] Right, and I do that at all times. Like my wife and I will be watching a game on TV, and I'll go, punt. Because to me, it's the sound that the foot on ball makes.
Speaker 2:
[40:04] Kind of an onomatopoeia situation?
Speaker 4:
[40:06] Yeah, you could say that.
Speaker 3:
[40:08] I don't know that you could say that. Put on the poll at Lebatard Show, Juju. Does the word punt sound like the ball hitting the foot during a punt?
Speaker 4:
[40:18] It sure does. I don't want to influence the jury, but that would be 98%.
Speaker 2:
[40:22] What about the one legged punt? Does that sound any different?
Speaker 4:
[40:24] I don't know. I've never seen...
Speaker 2:
[40:26] A little softer?
Speaker 4:
[40:26] I've never witnessed a one legged punt.
Speaker 9:
[40:29] So I do have a couple of questions.
Speaker 4:
[40:31] Yeah.
Speaker 9:
[40:32] I see that your mock draft came out today. Very big day for you.
Speaker 4:
[40:36] Actually, it came out yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 2:
[40:39] It's today in print.
Speaker 4:
[40:40] Yeah.
Speaker 9:
[40:41] So are you specifically going... Do you specifically go after Mel Kuiper? That's my first question. Is it specifically about being better than Mel Kuiper?
Speaker 4:
[40:50] I use him as an example because he's King Kuiper. When you think of mock drafts, you think of Mel Kuiper. He didn't invent the mock draft, but he was at the forefront of it. And I've been doing mine since 1991. So I've been doing it a lot longer than 90% of everybody who does a mock draft now, which is everybody and their mother. But...
Speaker 2:
[41:11] The inventor of the mock draft is...
Speaker 4:
[41:14] I like to think of it as Joel Buxbaum.
Speaker 2:
[41:17] Carl Mock.
Speaker 4:
[41:18] Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 9:
[41:18] All right, next question.
Speaker 4:
[41:19] Gene Mock, former baseball manager.
Speaker 9:
[41:22] Xactos are when you get the pick right. How many of those is a successful draft for you?
Speaker 4:
[41:32] Xactos are the correct player to the correct team or in the correct draft order. Okay.
Speaker 2:
[41:39] Remember, there's a difference between an Xacto and a Zagacto.
Speaker 4:
[41:42] Well, the Xacto has come to be known as the Zagacto. They are the same though. Now, the super Zagacto is when you get exact player to exact team in exact order. Okay. Last year I got nine of those. I led Junior the entire draft.
Speaker 2:
[41:59] You just created a super Zagacto. No, it's Xacto and Zagacto.
Speaker 3:
[42:02] I don't think I've-
Speaker 2:
[42:03] You've been doing this for years.
Speaker 3:
[42:04] I don't think I've ever heard of a super Zagacto.
Speaker 8:
[42:06] No, I think I've heard of a super one.
Speaker 3:
[42:08] No, but I want it. He's got to evolve in the modern age.
Speaker 8:
[42:11] I think last year he had super Zagacto.
Speaker 4:
[42:13] Yeah, the super Zagacto was the trifecta. Right player to right team in right order.
Speaker 3:
[42:18] You had nine of those last year?
Speaker 4:
[42:19] I had nine. Junior, I led him nine-seven late in the draft. He hit too late and ended up beating me 11-nine. I had beat him three previous years, but he edged me out last year, so I'm out for blood tomorrow night.
Speaker 9:
[42:35] I feel like nine is pretty good.
Speaker 4:
[42:37] It's pretty good.
Speaker 3:
[42:38] Nine super Zagactos?
Speaker 4:
[42:40] Yeah. Yeah, and now the only gimme in the entire draft is Fernando Mendoza at number one. That's the only gimme because there's even debate on number two. Will it be...
Speaker 3:
[42:51] We've been talking about...
Speaker 4:
[42:53] Will it be Bailey?
Speaker 3:
[42:54] The respect on the name thing? Him calling Mel Kuyper Junior again and again is a bar.
Speaker 2:
[43:00] I also called him King Kuyper.
Speaker 3:
[43:02] But Junior...
Speaker 4:
[43:03] I like alliteration, and I give him respect. You know, he may... This is the difference between he and I. He makes a yearly cottage industry of this mock draft. That's all he does. Mel, what do you do for a living? I do mock drafts. You don't hear anything about Mel for 10 months of the year, but then he's omnipresent this time of year, whereas I don't do film study. You know, I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't talk to scouts. I might call up somebody I know in an opposing city and say, hey, who do you hear the Packers might be taking? But I'm not, you know, I do look at other people's drafts, but I don't follow their drafts. That's why Kuiper and I always differ on so many.
Speaker 3:
[43:48] Do you guys think we set a record for so many offensive things at this hour in the history of our show? Was this a record-breaking hour? Do we just produce a record-breakingly offensive hour?
Speaker 5:
[44:00] We did it, everybody!
Speaker 8:
[44:02] It's a play on for me.
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