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Speaker 5:
[01:13] Welcome to Ringer Tailgate, the Wednesday edition of the show. Joel's getting his water fired up right now, so you know it's gonna be a very good show. We got an NFL draft preview, we got Joel's Big Board 2.0, but first and foremost, let's say what's up to our guys in the studio. We got Van Lathan there, we got a very special guest, Bill Simmons, first appearance on Ringer Tailgate. What's up, guys?
Speaker 6:
[01:31] Honor to be here. You've had a lot of success with Bills and Billy's.
Speaker 7:
[01:35] Yeah, guys gotta raise the roof.
Speaker 8:
[01:37] You know what we're gonna say, we're gonna raise the roof? Yeah, let's raise the roof.
Speaker 7:
[01:40] You gotta raise the roof.
Speaker 6:
[01:41] Joel invented that.
Speaker 9:
[01:42] Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[01:43] You're not gonna raise the roof?
Speaker 9:
[01:45] No.
Speaker 6:
[01:49] You guys are doing it. I didn't want to step on your there.
Speaker 9:
[01:51] Oh, no. Okay.
Speaker 5:
[01:54] First shot of Joel out of the gate. Oh, there we go.
Speaker 7:
[01:56] There you go. There you go.
Speaker 10:
[01:59] That's all we needed to see.
Speaker 7:
[02:01] Can I be honest with you, Joel? Joel, I'm detecting for some reason, I don't know why.
Speaker 5:
[02:06] Some heat?
Speaker 7:
[02:07] A little bit of heat or nervousness or whatever. I don't know if you're, I'm not getting the Joel energy that I normally get.
Speaker 5:
[02:14] Joel, drink some water, Joel.
Speaker 8:
[02:15] I wasn't, I was, I'm surprised. It's good to see Bill. I'm going to see you next week when I'm out in LA. It's two weeks from now. That's right. So yeah, I just would have thought I would have had a chance to talk to Bill instead of having to talk to him on camera first. But I mean, I understand Van gets it mixed up because you probably, I mean, what was it supposed to be at Bill's house today? And you decide to go into the studio or what happened? Because I know Van's always around. So tell me what.
Speaker 6:
[02:43] You know what's funny about this? I tried to hire Joel like five different times over the course of 14 years. I don't think I'm I think he's number one in the career rankings. Of most times I tried to bring somebody to the fold.
Speaker 8:
[02:56] Wait.
Speaker 6:
[02:56] And now he has a chip on his shoulder. I don't know. I don't understand.
Speaker 8:
[03:01] No, I'm grateful. I always say this is the best place I've ever worked. The most fun. See, Van, you always try to hype shit up. Stop.
Speaker 10:
[03:10] I'm not hyped at anything. I'm watching you cuck out in real time.
Speaker 5:
[03:14] I feel like I'm back on Finebomb.
Speaker 8:
[03:16] It's very hilarious to me.
Speaker 10:
[03:17] No.
Speaker 7:
[03:17] I'm watching.
Speaker 8:
[03:18] No, this is not. This is.
Speaker 7:
[03:20] Hey, you don't know what happened. Joel also cucked out with Paul Finebomb.
Speaker 8:
[03:24] That's not true.
Speaker 9:
[03:25] I'm watching you cuck out in real time. Not cucking out.
Speaker 8:
[03:28] Let me finish.
Speaker 9:
[03:29] No.
Speaker 8:
[03:30] What I was saying. I think it is important to mention the gratitude up top because the last time I talked to Bill before we started talking about me coming here, I thought that I was never going to talk to Bill again. I thought I was like, man, he might be mad at me. So I am very grateful that when the time arose that Bill and I could still get a chance to work together and I could be over here. So I am grateful for him and I don't have any chip on my shoulder about Bill. Would I like to be Van?
Speaker 1:
[04:06] Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[04:06] You know what I am saying? Would I like to be the chosen one?
Speaker 1:
[04:12] Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[04:12] Would I like to be the golden child? Absolutely.
Speaker 10:
[04:13] Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 7:
[04:15] Tate, talk the draft shit. Let's get a draft, Tate.
Speaker 10:
[04:20] I'm trying to tell you, Joel, you don't live.
Speaker 7:
[04:23] This is the funny thing.
Speaker 8:
[04:24] What does this have to do with anything? My dad is my dad because he was in Houston. I don't understand.
Speaker 7:
[04:31] Every time I talk to Joel, I talk to Joel, sometimes me and Joel talking to Joel like, man, Tailgate really going to go crazy. I'm the number one move to LA guy in the entire world. I think that everybody should be here. We should all be in the office five days a week. Every day, you guys all know, okay, I don't know, whatever. And Joel, you don't want to move to LA. You kind of gotta go.
Speaker 9:
[04:50] That's not true.
Speaker 7:
[04:50] I don't want to come to your party, but I still want you to invite me. You don't want to move to LA, so you don't want to be a part of it. That's false.
Speaker 8:
[04:57] This is a conversation I would have liked to have Bill when I'm in LA when you're going to lunch or something.
Speaker 9:
[05:01] Who?
Speaker 7:
[05:02] Jacoby, me and Jacoby went to-
Speaker 6:
[05:04] Honestly, Joel sounds like my mom. My mom is one of those people, when we invite her to do stuff, she always says no, but then she gets offended when we go back to do stuff. It's like, that's Jack it with either way. You're always saying no and you're mad that I didn't invite you.
Speaker 8:
[05:17] No, here's the thing. No, because Van is making shit up. I would love to move to LA. Look, I have just lived in this house for one year. It was one of the hardest years of my life. Have you ever moved across the- I'm sure Bill has. I had to move across country with two small children, one of them who is crazy. You know what I'm saying? And so I just finally got all my shit set up over here and everybody's talking about moving to LA, which is great. My wife loves California. She's a California girl. I love California. I would love to be in the office with y'all, but I just got here a year ago.
Speaker 6:
[05:50] Plus we saved UCLA football. We saved the perfect year. That's right.
Speaker 8:
[05:53] I want to go to you. I want to see my boy, Nico. Sure, I want to go see USC, man. I like hanging out over there and-
Speaker 10:
[05:58] Man, we had seen Tate win. Yeah, we won.
Speaker 8:
[06:02] I remember y'all win. That's the last time y'all hung out, basically.
Speaker 7:
[06:05] That's like, oh, we're with me, Tommy Alter, and Cam Johnson.
Speaker 8:
[06:09] You keep bringing this one time up. That's the only time y'all hung up in the last few months.
Speaker 10:
[06:13] No, me and Tate have hung out multiple times.
Speaker 6:
[06:15] You don't play golf is your problem. If you play golf, you and Tate would hang out all the time.
Speaker 5:
[06:19] Well, I play golf.
Speaker 6:
[06:20] Tate is like, who can play golf with me? That's his friend.
Speaker 7:
[06:23] Really?
Speaker 8:
[06:23] I'm surprised Tate doesn't do golf. I'm surprised at that, actually.
Speaker 7:
[06:28] I play a little golf, but I keep hearing about how good Tate is at golf. Can we get one draft take from Bill before he gets out of here, though? Let me get it. Can we do one draft buzz take with Bill? He cares about the NFL take. Can we do that?
Speaker 5:
[06:41] Yeah, Bill. I mean, look, I think Joel's upset he didn't get invited to the Rigger Watchables in San Francisco. That's what it really boils down to.
Speaker 8:
[06:47] I didn't get upset.
Speaker 7:
[06:49] I did not get upset. Here's another San Francisco. I am a little bit... Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. You gotta let me cook here for 10 seconds. Joel wanted to be flown out to the Rewatchables in San Francisco.
Speaker 10:
[07:04] Even though he's never been on the show.
Speaker 8:
[07:07] No, no. Okay, Bill, now let me explain what the truth of the matter is.
Speaker 7:
[07:11] Don't lie, bro.
Speaker 10:
[07:12] No, no, no. Joel was saying, when I was saying... You were coming up, Bill.
Speaker 7:
[07:20] Did you not make that case?
Speaker 8:
[07:21] Okay, Bill, is it a rule that to be on a rewatchables live show that you always have had to have been on rewatchables?
Speaker 6:
[07:29] Yeah, we haven't tested you out on a rewatchables yet, Joel.
Speaker 7:
[07:31] Right.
Speaker 6:
[07:32] You have to be in LA. We have to do a rewatchables. You don't have to do that.
Speaker 8:
[07:35] What if you in the rewatchables came to DC to do something, right? I don't know. Y'all would do all the Presidents, man, right? And I'm in DC. Y'all wouldn't let me come on stage just because I had never been on the show before?
Speaker 7:
[07:47] You've never been on a pod?
Speaker 6:
[07:49] We don't know. We got to see it first.
Speaker 10:
[07:51] Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 7:
[07:52] It's a process.
Speaker 6:
[07:53] It's like going from high school to the NBA.
Speaker 8:
[07:55] Okay, my bad. Okay, okay.
Speaker 10:
[07:56] That's his pod.
Speaker 7:
[07:57] He can answer that. But let me tell you, if me and Rachel are doing a live show, if we're doing a live show and it's a higher learning live show and it's in DC and you come to the live show and you just want to come up on the stage, we're not going to let you do that.
Speaker 10:
[08:12] Are you serious?
Speaker 8:
[08:14] Are you kidding me? You have a higher learning show in DC. You would not let me on stage because I had never been on the show.
Speaker 5:
[08:23] If you had never been on the show, why would you go on the show live?
Speaker 7:
[08:25] That's crazy. Guys, listen to me. If we were doing a higher learning show in DC, what I would do is I would say, Joel, could you please join us for the higher learning show? That's different than us doing the show and you come to the show and just going, yo, can I come on the stage?
Speaker 10:
[08:42] No, we're not going to do that.
Speaker 7:
[08:43] We're not set up for that. We don't have the whole nine.
Speaker 10:
[08:47] I would ask you to do the show.
Speaker 8:
[08:49] Were you at a card table? What's happening? You couldn't afford another chair?
Speaker 6:
[08:53] He thinks it's like a comedy store where he's like, can I come up and do a set?
Speaker 10:
[08:57] No.
Speaker 11:
[08:58] Joel's got a type five.
Speaker 8:
[09:00] But wait, OK, I mean, I understand rewatchables a little bit more because that is a very hot. That is a very popular podcast. I don't know. You know. Yeah. Me showing up on there may or may not. You know what I'm saying? Whatever. How learning is what you show. I'm a fan of and listen to also a popular podcast. Very popular podcast, but not a rewatchable popular podcast. Also, this is about your show is about black shit, dog. I'm black. You wouldn't have me on fucking stage to talk about butch wear. I mean, I couldn't come on to talk about Rowan Martin.
Speaker 10:
[09:35] Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 8:
[09:37] That's offensive.
Speaker 7:
[09:38] Gators, gators, gators, gators. Watch me kill Joel before we move on. Oh man. Joel, have you ever been in a position where you've been doing a live show on a stage with someone and somebody in the audience of that live show who might be another podcaster has attempted to interrupt or get on the stage and make themself a part of the podcast. Has that ever happened to you, Joel?
Speaker 8:
[10:05] I don't know why you're making this out to be like it's the episode of Martin where he runs in and interrupts a Jodeci show. What I'm talking about is you know I'm in DC. No, what I'm saying, I'm in DC, be like, hey, Joel, we're putting together the last show. Would you like to come on? I would definitely do that. I just said that. OK, well, then what are we arguing? But that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 9:
[10:26] OK, you're arguing.
Speaker 6:
[10:28] No, no, the argument seems to be Joel thinks he can invite himself. You're saying you actually get invited.
Speaker 7:
[10:36] You get invited. You're saying that by coming to the podcast, you should be able to come on stage. What I'm saying is if we were doing a show in DC, I would definitely say, oh, you know, you know, who's brilliant and in DC? Joel Anderson. Let's bring him on so he can say something and piss the whole fucking crowd off, right?
Speaker 8:
[10:51] Yeah, no, that's great.
Speaker 7:
[10:53] So then I would bring you on the show and then that's what would happen. But if you just came to the show and go, and you go, hey, Van, at the 15 minute mark of the show, I'm going to come on the stage. I'm like, no, you can't do that.
Speaker 8:
[11:04] OK, so we've misunderstood each other as a family. But anyway, so Bill, no, what I would want is I would I would expect to get invited. OK, that's the thing.
Speaker 6:
[11:13] The bigger outrage is that Joel and House haven't had food in DC. I don't know how that has happened.
Speaker 2:
[11:18] He ain't talking about Heifetz, though.
Speaker 6:
[11:19] That is my fault that I haven't hooked Joel and Heifetz. He's the mayor of the DNP.
Speaker 7:
[11:24] By the way, just to let you know, yeah, Joel and Heifetz have a lot in common. Not, excuse me, not Joel. I'm not Heifetz. Joel and House have a lot in common.
Speaker 6:
[11:35] I'm aware.
Speaker 7:
[11:35] Joel and House have a lot in common.
Speaker 6:
[11:37] They would definitely like each other.
Speaker 7:
[11:38] Definitely like each other. Check Instagram. That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 8:
[11:41] OK, man, you know what? I mean, let's do it. I mean, man.
Speaker 5:
[11:46] Similar taste.
Speaker 9:
[11:47] I respect that.
Speaker 10:
[11:49] Similar taste.
Speaker 9:
[11:50] A fellow traveler, a fellow traveler.
Speaker 5:
[11:55] Joel wanted to sip some water.
Speaker 10:
[11:56] He's nervous. He's nervous.
Speaker 8:
[11:58] All right.
Speaker 6:
[11:58] Do you want my one draft?
Speaker 9:
[11:59] Yeah, please, Bill.
Speaker 8:
[12:01] Give us the one draft.
Speaker 6:
[12:04] I'll give you a couple small ones. Sure. Mendoza, as the leader of my team and the coolest guy on my team and the guy that has the car keys, every interview makes me nervous and makes me doubt it. I just don't think you should give interviews anymore. That's my first take. Bailey, one guy is two years younger than the other and nobody can decide who's better. Why not just take the two years younger guy who has less mileage on him? Does that seem too easy or am I nuts? No. Here's my big thing with the draft. Every year we look at the draft and we know who are going to be the kick-ass guys that will be awesome starters. Like this year it's like Downs. Everyone's like Downs is going to be really good.
Speaker 7:
[12:45] Can't miss.
Speaker 6:
[12:46] No question. He'll be awesome. It's like, well, what's he going to be like? Is he like Kyle Hamilton? Is he like Ed Reed? He'll just be one of those guys. He's going to be a multi-opera. He'll be a foundational defensive piece. Then he'll go like 10th. We do this all the time with the draft. Then when we do the draft over, it's like, all right, here's a redraft from four years ago. It's like, coming in third, Caleb Downs. It's like, why can't Arizona just take Caleb Downs? They don't even have good players. So that's the part I always get. I feel like people always overthink this.
Speaker 7:
[13:18] Isn't it positional importance, though?
Speaker 6:
[13:20] It is, but I think when somebody has a chance to be one of the best players of their decade at a position, does that change it? Yeah, because Stiles is a little bit like that, too. It's like, all right, you don't want to take a linebacker fifth, but if he's a generational linebacker, that should change it, right?
Speaker 7:
[13:39] I mean, for me, the question is, at the end of the day, how valuable was Ed Reed? How valuable was Khalil Mack? How valuable was any of those guys?
Speaker 6:
[13:46] Al Hamilton, he went 14th.
Speaker 7:
[13:48] Yeah, how valuable were those guys? Those guys were like difference makers and culture changers at their positions. So yeah, I mean, Downs, I would be a surprised if Downs didn't turn out to be a multiple time, like seven, eight time All-Pro, five, six, seven time All-Pro than any player in the draft in recent memory. I would be that surprised if he missed, barring injury, of course, barring injury.
Speaker 6:
[14:12] You have any down thoughts?
Speaker 7:
[14:14] Me?
Speaker 9:
[14:16] Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[14:16] Joel, OK, I can barely see y'all. So but you know, well, Downs is number one on the Joel Big Board 2.0.
Speaker 11:
[14:25] Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 9:
[14:26] Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[14:27] Yeah. So I didn't know that existed. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[14:31] What is what is boiling?
Speaker 8:
[14:34] Oh, man, you know what? I did say that way before we got to it, man. But you know what? Whatever. You know, people are going to come for information, not necessarily how it's presented. What I wanted to ask you, Bill, is it is that. So you said that about Fernando Mendoza. See, I'm under the impression that he thinks that shit is cool, that he's just like, oh, people are really into me, man. Am I like chipper personality and people just think I'm a little corny, but I'm not afraid to be corny in public. I think he's leading into that because he thinks people like that and that he's getting a lot of good feedback from it. You actually think it makes you think less of him.
Speaker 6:
[15:10] It makes me more concerned because I feel like the quarterback has to be at least one of the three coolest guys on my team. Right?
Speaker 8:
[15:17] Russell Wilson, that's tough.
Speaker 6:
[15:20] Russell Wilson is a good example.
Speaker 7:
[15:22] Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[15:23] Hertz, I think is both cool and uncool because he's so cool that nobody can actually know if he has a pulse.
Speaker 7:
[15:30] Yeah, but he's cool as shit.
Speaker 6:
[15:31] But he's like, you know, he's like, when the going gets tough, you trust like he's gonna have the... So I think Mendoza probably has that, that if there's like real adversity, maybe you'll feel okay because he's been in some big spots. But it's just, it's unusual to have a quarterback have such a funky personality.
Speaker 7:
[15:49] I'll tell you this though, he was the entire culture at Indiana, consummate leader. They lied up behind him. They broke themselves playing hard for him after. And even, cause you know, sometimes he does sound like a muppet, like after the game, we gotta go there, we gotta get it done, yeah. But when you saw his guys next to him, when you saw his guys next to him, man, it seemed like they liked that shit. It seemed like that fired them up. If he was a nerd, he was their nerd. It seemed like they really fucked with it.
Speaker 8:
[16:26] I don't want to say too much about this person because I don't want to give away their name or whatever, but I had a friend who was a virgin until he was like 27 years old, okay? I love that motherfucker, man. He was so cool. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, people, we rallied around his decency and how nice he was and like how almost sort of naive to the world he was. It was just like, oh man, like they don't even make people like you anymore, bro. Like it really makes you want to protect them and see them succeed. And I could kind of see that happening with Fernando Mendoza. But I mean, The Virgin of Vegas. People like Tim Tebow. That was the thing, like despite what people said about how he played, people like him. Like even people that just cross him in the regular day of life or whatever, like they're like, oh man, Tim Tebow was cool. I really liked meeting him. He remembered my name immediately. That kind of shit. Like he just has a knack for that. And so I just wondered if like maybe at least in the locker room, those guys would be like, man, dude, probably a virgin, but I would fucking kill for him.
Speaker 7:
[17:25] So Joel's friend who was a virgin, he probably found out that he was a virgin after tussling with him in room 227.
Speaker 8:
[17:32] You know what, man?
Speaker 6:
[17:34] Joel had a-
Speaker 8:
[17:35] Jaden Ivey. Hey, bro.
Speaker 6:
[17:37] Joel had a-
Speaker 8:
[17:39] I'm telling you.
Speaker 7:
[17:41] I don't know if you've ever heard the legend of 227?
Speaker 6:
[17:44] No.
Speaker 7:
[17:44] Oh, shit, Bill. So at Moncrieff Hall, room 227.
Speaker 8:
[17:48] I don't think you should be the person to tell it.
Speaker 7:
[17:49] At TCU in 1997, there was an underground wrestling league.
Speaker 8:
[17:53] Okay, that's-
Speaker 7:
[17:54] Where Joel would pick up.
Speaker 5:
[17:56] Not like pro wrestling, like high school tussling wrestling.
Speaker 8:
[17:59] He's gonna make it-
Speaker 7:
[18:00] Like tussling.
Speaker 5:
[18:00] Low man wins wrestling.
Speaker 7:
[18:02] Low man wins, and Joel said sometimes he would just be shirtless in his dorm.
Speaker 9:
[18:06] No, dog, see?
Speaker 5:
[18:07] Greased up.
Speaker 7:
[18:09] Bill, you went to Holy Cross.
Speaker 8:
[18:10] You didn't rough house? Did you rough house with your homies in college?
Speaker 6:
[18:16] Yeah, I don't remember the shirts off with the-
Speaker 8:
[18:18] We didn't do no shirts off. We didn't do no shirts off, man. We did not do any shirts off. Maybe it happened by accident, but it was never known.
Speaker 6:
[18:28] The craziest thing we did in college was we played high lie.
Speaker 7:
[18:32] For real?
Speaker 6:
[18:33] We had-
Speaker 7:
[18:34] I've never known anyone who's actually played that fucking game.
Speaker 8:
[18:37] It wasn't-
Speaker 6:
[18:39] It was a golf ball. We had these hard metal doors and you whipped the ball against the door, and you just had to get out of the way, and if the ball hit you, you lost.
Speaker 7:
[18:51] Ghetto high lie.
Speaker 6:
[18:52] We played this for hours until one of our friends, we actually thought he got hit in the head and died. I'm down with Joel being doing weird shit.
Speaker 7:
[19:02] Last thing I'll say about this before we get to the big board is, I'm like over the idea that- because in the 90s, there were some times where we got away from, it was less quarterback-centric. I remember Dan Big Daddy Wilkinson went number one and all that. You do not have to have an elite tier quarterback lead your draft every single year. You don't have to reach for a quarterback if that quarterback is not there. I think that-
Speaker 6:
[19:34] He seems like a legitimate choice, but Tate like-
Speaker 7:
[19:36] At number one?
Speaker 6:
[19:37] Mendoza.
Speaker 9:
[19:39] Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 6:
[19:41] I personally wouldn't do it, but Tate, the personality, like him versus Darren Peterson, I think I'd rather bet on the goofy Mendoza type than Darren Peterson, who just seems like a Y20. Really odd, as a teammate.
Speaker 5:
[20:00] You rather the guy that wants to be a leader and be involved with everybody, shake their hands, go around the locker room, be friends with everybody than the guy that's sitting in the corner, that's super talented, that feels a little bit standoffish. I think that's a fair point. I mean, I think Mendoza will adhere himself to the people.
Speaker 7:
[20:16] Kawhi Leonard is a multiple time NBA champion and finals MVP, just so you guys know.
Speaker 9:
[20:20] But a strange guy.
Speaker 8:
[20:21] I think the thing is, is that if that guy isn't the best player in the locker room, they need to be cool as shit, though, bro. You know what I mean? Like if so, Darren Peterson, obviously, like if you're going to in the NBA locker room, I just think it's really tough to not be, if those dudes don't think you're cool, they just don't think you can handle yourself and that you kind of off, like you got to be Kawhi good or it's probably not going to work out for you.
Speaker 6:
[20:46] You have to be at that level.
Speaker 7:
[20:47] Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 6:
[20:48] All right, I'm going to go.
Speaker 9:
[20:49] This is really fun.
Speaker 7:
[20:50] Thank you, man.
Speaker 6:
[20:50] Can you replace me with the other Billy?
Speaker 7:
[20:53] Yeah, bring the Duke in. Let's get a postmortem on Bill's appearance with the Duke. Joel, let the world raise the roof for the motherfucking Duke. What's up, Bill and Gals, man?
Speaker 6:
[21:02] Joel, I'll see you in LA.
Speaker 8:
[21:03] I'm looking forward to it, man. I really am.
Speaker 5:
[21:07] I hope you guys get lunch.
Speaker 8:
[21:08] I hope so. I want to do all that.
Speaker 5:
[21:10] All right, there you have it, Bill Simmons. Thanks for coming on the show. All right, let's get into the show. Let's talk the 2026 NFL draft. Let's get to it right now.
Speaker 8:
[21:19] Let's do it.
Speaker 12:
[21:20] How do you think that went, Joel?
Speaker 8:
[21:22] I really, to be honest, I don't know. I don't feel like I got to get my shit off, man. And that's my boss. Like, you know, it was a joke. I don't know how, you know, Bill said that I had a chip on my shoulder. I don't, I don't want him. I hope he didn't walk away still feeling that way, but I can't be sure.
Speaker 12:
[21:39] He could probably hear you still, though.
Speaker 8:
[21:41] Okay.
Speaker 5:
[21:42] You did say shirts got ripped off maybe by accident. So I don't know if that's.
Speaker 8:
[21:46] I mean, if you're throwing a around, I mean, dog, you've been in a fight before. You know, all right.
Speaker 7:
[21:52] Joel, this is so disappointing.
Speaker 8:
[21:54] That's why Fernando's daddy called you a clown. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 5:
[21:56] Can we talk about that? We're talking about Mendoza. Billy Gil, you have a little insight here on Fernando Mendoza and where his mental state is right now. Can you give us an update?
Speaker 12:
[22:05] Fernando Mendoza's dad called me a clown on Instagram today.
Speaker 5:
[22:10] So how does it feel?
Speaker 12:
[22:11] Why? What happened?
Speaker 5:
[22:12] I missed it.
Speaker 12:
[22:14] So about a week ago, I was on the Ringer NFL show and I did we were talking about how like there's no character issues and there's no real concerns about Fernando Mendoza. So then I went out on a thing saying that I thought that there may be character issues with him because he transferred from one high school, the high school that I went to, to our rival high school because he wasn't getting playing time and it was clearly from Guest but that entire high school seems to have no sense of humor and I've been getting just killed by them for a week now and today Fernando Mendoza's dad, two days before his son becomes the number one pick in the NFL draft in which he's gonna make $50 million guaranteed is spending his time by commenting on Instagram posts calling me a clown. So I'm gonna be honest with you, I was joking before but now I'm kind of wondering, you know, if that slight criticism that clearly was a joke is getting under the Mendoza family's skin, are we worried a little bit about like real NFL criticism and what happens?
Speaker 5:
[23:14] And pressure of being the number one pick?
Speaker 8:
[23:16] Yeah. This all rests on the premise on if what you said was funny. What if we didn't think it was funny?
Speaker 12:
[23:22] What do you mean?
Speaker 8:
[23:23] Well, if he didn't think that shit was funny, then maybe he had a point that she was a clown.
Speaker 10:
[23:26] Diss for no reason. We're supposed to be... Now hold on for a second.
Speaker 5:
[23:32] Joel, what would you do if he responded to you like that?
Speaker 8:
[23:34] You would be all of the comments. You know, a lot of people have been calling me clown on the internet. I can't respond to all of them. Well, hold on. Every now and again, I find somebody that I will respond to, but I can't do it to everybody.
Speaker 12:
[23:46] So, Joel, this is actually... I think you can help me on this because you have the most experience out of everyone. How should I respond to the fact that this guy called me three clown emojis? Like, what is the appropriate action? Because as a, you know, level-headed adult, you know, jokingly insulted a 22-year-old, you know, right before the biggest week of his life, I can understand why it is that he might be upset. But I also think, you know what? This is something to not engage in and just kind of like let it go. It was clearly a joke. You didn't find it funny. Whatever, right? Like, what's the point of a back and forth? But I feel like you would give me different advice on this front.
Speaker 8:
[24:25] I'm trying to think about what I would do, because I probably would spend about a good half hour thinking about what I was going to do.
Speaker 12:
[24:32] Half hour?
Speaker 8:
[24:33] You wanted to check back? I would come back to it every now and again.
Speaker 12:
[24:38] Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[24:39] Because he was like, do I really want to let him get away with calling me a clown? That's kind of it. Is it no shit or no shit, Joel? I would just say something simple like, do you not understand sarcasm? Your family appears to be smart. You sent a child. He was going to be a Yale.
Speaker 12:
[24:59] He's a doctor too.
Speaker 8:
[25:00] Yeah, he's a doctor. I thought you all were smart. You can't understand sarcasm? Seriously? That's probably what I would say, something like that.
Speaker 12:
[25:06] If you want, I'll set a timer on my phone. We could check in in 30 minutes, see if you change, I'll take what I did. I just hearted it.
Speaker 8:
[25:15] Oh, good.
Speaker 12:
[25:15] That's good.
Speaker 7:
[25:16] That's good. Let him know you're aware of it.
Speaker 12:
[25:18] Let him know I saw it, you know what I mean? Then also, if he has then a second thought about it, now it's harder for him to delete that comment because someone has acknowledged that it exists. So just give it a little heart.
Speaker 8:
[25:30] What if he thinks that heart is your understanding that what you said was some clown shit though? He's just like, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 5:
[25:36] It works either way, Joel.
Speaker 12:
[25:37] Well, I don't care much. He's a doctor. I don't even know what he practices, but I've never come across him.
Speaker 7:
[25:44] Wow.
Speaker 12:
[25:45] No, I'm just saying. Here's the difficult thing is we live in the same hometown. So there's a chance that we cross paths. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 7:
[25:54] Are you saying that there's a chance that you can tell him to meet you at Publix?
Speaker 12:
[26:01] No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 7:
[26:02] On site. You're not doing that?
Speaker 12:
[26:04] No, no. First of all, Publix is way too expensive. You know what I mean? Is it? Is it? Really? Yeah. Publix is out here. Not to smudge any companies. I don't know if there's an opportunity to sponsor the show, but their prices are outrageous. You're paying twice as much there as some other places sometimes.
Speaker 8:
[26:20] Oh, man.
Speaker 12:
[26:21] I'm not looking to fight them. I'm just saying we live in the same hometown. We may have some mutual acquaintances, whatever.
Speaker 5:
[26:27] There's a chance we might run into each other.
Speaker 12:
[26:29] We cross paths. And I'm not looking for a fight. I was just joking around. I don't want to make things uncomfortable for anyone.
Speaker 8:
[26:34] Yeah, it's funny, though, that he thinks. I mean, yeah, you're right. You guys are probably going to be in the same room at some point. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 12:
[26:41] I don't know about that.
Speaker 8:
[26:42] Yeah, no, I mean, it makes sense. Y'all are both up there in the upper echelon of South Florida society. You know, y'all are medium celebrities.
Speaker 1:
[26:49] Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 7:
[26:51] Fernando Mendoza's dad is an ER pediatric doctor.
Speaker 12:
[26:57] Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 10:
[26:58] We got to stall him out, bro. Come on, man. We got to shout out to raise the roof for your pediatric doctor.
Speaker 8:
[27:04] All right.
Speaker 10:
[27:05] That's like, yeah, we got to raise the roof.
Speaker 7:
[27:08] So I was looking up what kind of doctor, what kind of doctor he was. And legitimately, he could not be more of a noble doctor than the way in the ER and the pediatric doctor.
Speaker 8:
[27:21] That don't mean-
Speaker 7:
[27:22] That's according to Robert Berry on Twitter.
Speaker 5:
[27:25] It took time out of his day seeing kids to call Billy a clown.
Speaker 12:
[27:29] That seems like bad judgment, honestly.
Speaker 11:
[27:31] Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 8:
[27:32] It seems like he might not understand humor, but maybe he, again, understands humor and said, I don't think that was funny. Here's some card emojis.
Speaker 5:
[27:40] I think Joel was siding with Mr. Mendoza.
Speaker 12:
[27:42] That's shocking.
Speaker 7:
[27:43] Hey, man. Mr. Mendoza.
Speaker 8:
[27:45] I haven't decided yet.
Speaker 7:
[27:46] Mr. Mendoza is legitimately the man. He works at the Nicholas Children's Hospital, and this guy's like a saint.
Speaker 12:
[27:52] You know what? So my daughter fell one time and got stitches. I wonder if he was the doctor that stitched her up because that's where we went to get the stitches. Maybe he remembered me from that day, and he said, you know what? I saved this girl's life, and here he is talking crap about my son.
Speaker 7:
[28:09] On God, that's why he shouldn't be beefing on Twitter, because you never know, right? You never know if not, not raise a roof for the health of Billy's kids, they never going to have to go to the pediatric doctor. Raise a roof for Billy's kids, but if you're a doctor, and you get in it popping on Twitter, you never know if you're going to be in a situation where you have to help out one of the babies, or the kiddies, or somebody. Something like that, he shouldn't be popping it on Twitter like that.
Speaker 5:
[28:40] Yeah, when is the oath coming to play there?
Speaker 11:
[28:42] Maybe it doesn't help.
Speaker 12:
[28:43] Yeah, it's going way too far.
Speaker 8:
[28:47] Maybe he thinks he's not going to be a doctor anymore. You know what I'm saying? His son is about to be in the league. He might be like, I ain't got to do that no more.
Speaker 5:
[28:53] Yeah, he can go to Publix now. He's going to have to do it.
Speaker 8:
[28:56] I never thought of Publix as being that expensive. They have Publix in Tampa and Atlanta. What are the other grocery stores around?
Speaker 12:
[29:05] I mean, it depends what you, if I'm going to be honest, you know what I'll do sometime? So if it's something that's like, let's say I want to buy Oreos, for example, right? Some people will be like, I don't know, I don't want to do this, that. There's like these Walmart grocery stores and like a Target. If you're buying things in boxes, it's not like I'm buying coal cuts or something. You can get those absolutely anywhere. They're exactly the same. And if it's half the price, why would I be going to a Publix out there?
Speaker 8:
[29:32] I never thought of it as being that expensive. I'm kind of fucking my head up because when I was in Tampa, I mean, they had Publix everywhere. That was the grocery store.
Speaker 12:
[29:39] Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[29:39] I don't know what else. I guess, you know what though? I went to, I shopped at Walmart a lot more when I lived in the South, you know what I'm saying? It's a lot more part of your life.
Speaker 7:
[29:46] Hey, what are we talking about right now?
Speaker 8:
[29:48] Oh yeah.
Speaker 5:
[29:50] Strap tweet. I think that Joel, yeah, Joel's trying to give himself some more time to think about what he wrote to respond to Mr. Mendoza. So I think that's fair.
Speaker 8:
[29:59] I got that checked out already.
Speaker 5:
[30:01] Before we get into Joel's Big Board 2.0, just wanted to do this. One big reaction, NFL Draft Buzz. It does feel like it's a little lackluster this year. Not a lot of talk about the draft. I've had multiple people ask me when the draft is. It is happening in two days. Van, do you have a diagnosis as to why the draft is not getting discussed as much?
Speaker 10:
[30:21] Oh, it's a lot going on.
Speaker 7:
[30:22] I mean, I don't think there's any real reason. There's not like a clear cut star that's in the draft, number one. And there's a lot going on. Also, I would say this, that I don't know how the transfer portal era is going to affect the overall stardom of the college football player. You're not sticking with a guy in one place for as long of a time. Look, could be different, could be whatever. But I think all the moving around and stuff like that, it might have an effect on the brand of the guy coming out of college, you know what I mean? Like Mendoza's a brand new player where he's had a lot of guys with transfers and stuff like that, whatever, whatever. But that's probably just bullshit. But really, there's not like a star coming out of the draft that everybody is like consumed with. And that's probably the main thing, you know?
Speaker 5:
[31:10] Yeah, because Mendoza is the face of it. And everyone kind of knows that he's going to go number one. So that obviously there's not much anxiety, whatever you want to call it, excitement around the idea of who's going to go number one. We know who's going to go number one. Joel, any thoughts on why we're not talking about this as much?
Speaker 8:
[31:25] Oh, yeah, I mean, it is one of those years where, you know, Eric Fisher gets drafted number one. I mean, in 2013. Yeah, right. Now, again, Mendoza is going to be the number one pick, but, you know, beyond him, not a lot of these guys are celebrities. But the thing is, next year, when it's Arch Manning, it's not going to feel this way. When it's Arch Manning, Dante Moore, Trinidad Chambliss, then the draft will be full of all these stars again. And then, you know, then this will just be a blip, a blip like, you know, sometimes happens.
Speaker 5:
[31:56] I will say, though, last year during the draft, when Cam Ward was the foregone conclusion to go number one, everyone kept saying, well, next year, we're going to have Arch Manning, we're going to have Nuss Meyer, we're going to have Cade Clubnick, we're going to have Drew Aller, we're going to have all these different guys, the draft's going to be amazing. And we get to the draft and it's sort of a similar setup as we saw last year. So maybe it's a symptom of a larger problem.
Speaker 8:
[32:16] Do you know who the star of the draft was last year?
Speaker 5:
[32:19] Cam Ward.
Speaker 8:
[32:20] Shadour Sanders.
Speaker 5:
[32:21] Oh, that's true.
Speaker 8:
[32:22] You know?
Speaker 7:
[32:24] But there was a shit ton of buzz, though. You can't say there wasn't buzz. There was a lot of talk about where Shadour would go, how he would, you know, how the NFL process was treating him, how he would treat the process. I'll say this, that's true what you just said, Tate, but a lot of it's true because the guys just didn't play. It's not that the players weren't there and that people were wrong to expect that some of these guys would take a leap. It turns out that Nussmeyer has a cyst on his spine.
Speaker 5:
[32:52] That's a crazy story.
Speaker 7:
[32:54] That affected him. I am blown away by that revelation. Blown away by the fact that we're just learning this now, that it doesn't seem like it was addressed by the LSU medical staff. There was no talk about it. Everyone could watch him and tell that something was wrong with him. Like you could tell that he wasn't right, but he just played through it the whole time. Everyone told us he was fine, whatever. So there are some weirder things that happened this season that stopped this from being the draft that we thought that it was going to be.
Speaker 5:
[33:29] Yeah, Archie Manning was supposed to be a revelation. Cade Clubnick was supposed to take a leap, right? There's a lot of things that wouldn't have played there. That's right.
Speaker 8:
[33:35] Wait, wait, wait. I just, real quick as an aside here, I mean, LSU has millions of dollars and they spent millions of dollars just saying Brian Kellyway. Now that you mention it this way, Van, it is fairly shocking that this is a recent revelation and not something that they are with, if they-
Speaker 5:
[33:53] It took the NFL doctors to find you, right?
Speaker 8:
[33:55] They're supposed to be going through an entire process, right? I mean, they've got the money and the means to do that shit, so I don't understand how it got missed.
Speaker 7:
[34:02] Honestly, I could make a different argument that between this and a lot of what happened to Greg Brooks, that we need to take a long look, LSU, should I say, needs to take a long look at what's going on down there in terms of the health of the players, the care of the players, and how things are going for the players, right? I'm not going to get into the entire Greg Brooks situation because, you know, that young man's journey, what he's been through, how his family has rallied, and everything that's happened with him is one of the most harrowing, most heart breaking stories that I've ever seen, not just in LSU football history, but in college football history. But you know, what does it mean to have a cyst on your spine? Like, well, to have a cyst, like how bad can that go? Is that something you should even be playing on? Like what can happen? Like how do you get all the way through a season where we keep hearing from our head coach that he's okay, and that he ends up playing with this. Now we know that like two or three weeks of treatment or whatever it's going to be, and he's essentially fixed. That it's something that they're saying doesn't affect, shouldn't affect his long term play. But like, what the fuck? Like that's not something that they saw or could deal with or whatever. You lose Garrett for the first three weeks, you lose him against Louisiana Tech, a couple of other people like that. He's back and his draft stock and all of the stuff that he's trying to do as a football player is better situated because the medical team was able to get on top of this. I was outraged reading that story. It doesn't make any fucking sense.
Speaker 5:
[35:35] Yeah, and the implication always kind of felt like from Brian Kelly, at least, that it was like the yips or like he was just misreading things in live time.
Speaker 7:
[35:43] They said he had an oblique injury.
Speaker 5:
[35:45] Yeah, oblique injury, obviously. Yeah. So strange, strange story all around. One other thing as far as like stars of the draft, I feel like Ohio State is a star of this draft. If you look at it, a lot of the big boards, right? Four guys in the top 10. And I guess if they have four players go in the top 10, I mean, potentially could have four guys go in the top six or seven. I guess that would make Ohio State the star of the story, which would be good for us for college football fans to have a team to point to and that be a headliner. But other than that, a little bit of a dud and that leads us to a real star on the show. Joel, let's get to the big board 2.0. A lot of people have like 5.0, 6.0, 7.0. Joel's got 2.0.
Speaker 8:
[36:21] I don't really, you know, I don't need to put out a lot of false information or waste time, you know, trying to get clicks. You know, you want to do it when you do it, you want it to have impact, right?
Speaker 10:
[36:32] So Billy has a diss.
Speaker 7:
[36:34] Billy has a diss. Billy, mark that down. Yeah, it's a diss.
Speaker 9:
[36:37] Wait, who am I dissing?
Speaker 7:
[36:38] Billy, Billy, you dissed every single person that's on their fourth or fifth mark. That's a, Billy, am I tripping or is that a diss?
Speaker 8:
[36:46] I don't think so. I don't think that's a diss.
Speaker 12:
[36:49] I think Joel's right here. I think Joel's just trying to be as efficient as possible.
Speaker 5:
[36:53] All right.
Speaker 12:
[36:54] I don't think he's taking...
Speaker 8:
[36:55] I appreciate it, Billy.
Speaker 12:
[36:56] There you go.
Speaker 5:
[36:57] Bill told us to be nicer than Joel.
Speaker 8:
[37:00] That's not a thing that happened.
Speaker 12:
[37:01] It was a mandate, a pre-off-air mandate.
Speaker 8:
[37:03] It was not. Although there were a lot of people talking about that shit. I was just like, I'm fine.
Speaker 12:
[37:08] You were also late today, so you didn't hear it.
Speaker 8:
[37:10] I was not late. I was on time. What? I was on time, but when I clicked on, I saw Bill and Van talking clearly and doing another podcast, and I was like, oh shit. So I clicked right out because I was confused about what was happening.
Speaker 5:
[37:23] You thought you were interrupting? Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[37:25] Yeah, I thought I was interrupting. I clicked on at 3.30.
Speaker 5:
[37:27] Well, let's not interrupt you. Joel, Big Board 2.0. What do you have on the Big Board? To give people a little bit of an update, McShea has a Big Board out, Final Big Board, the Fantasy slash Draft Guys as well. Joel, you got direct competition in the building, but we got it pulled up right now. Look at Joel's Big Board.
Speaker 8:
[37:44] Yeah, Deontay does some stuff too. You know what I'm saying? Shout out Deontay Lee. So yeah, man. I mean, look, I'm gonna read out the Big Board for people just so you know, because some people are listening to this and I watch it on YouTube. So number one on the Big Board, Caleb Downs. I love him. There's everything. He could do everything. He popped off the screen as a freshman at Bama and he gets the same kind of love from Nick Saban that Van gets from Bill. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, oh bro, if Nick Saban likes you, know that you good. You know what I'm saying? So that's how I know that Caleb Downs is special. Number two, Jeremiah Love. Nobody talks about Todd Gurley anymore. Why can't he, Todd Gurley, who's only 30 years old by the way, which is insane. Tough. Yeah, tough. Why can't Jeremiah Love be Todd Gurley, man? You know, my big concern though is he'll go to a team that sucks like the Titans. Number three, Arvel Reese. Number four, Stunny Styles. Number five, Ruben Bane. Okay, so I had to.
Speaker 5:
[38:44] Who was number one before you dropped down to number five.
Speaker 8:
[38:47] He was number one. Okay, so real quick to catch everybody up. Last week, it was discovered, Olly Connolly and his substack, The Read Optional reported that Ruben Bane had been involved as a driver in an accident where one of the passengers died. Okay. And he was, they didn't give him-
Speaker 5:
[39:07] I would say he rehashed the story that was sort of known.
Speaker 8:
[39:10] But see, that's the thing. I didn't know, how many people knew that story?
Speaker 9:
[39:14] And then if they knew it, why-
Speaker 5:
[39:15] Miami people did.
Speaker 8:
[39:17] Why was it not reported then?
Speaker 5:
[39:20] I mean, that-
Speaker 8:
[39:21] I mean, I just, people in the media, and see, this is the thing. There were people that work in media who says, where everybody else knew, well, God damn it. No, they didn't. I didn't know, there were a whole bunch of people that didn't know, and I just, and if you knew, and your job is an insider, you're supposed to be giving information to your audience. Why the fuck did you keep that private? You were just like, hey man.
Speaker 5:
[39:43] I think we can mark this down as another diss.
Speaker 8:
[39:45] Jerry Jones knew, so everything's all good. You know what I'm saying? We don't need to live outside that little circle here. It just doesn't make any sense to me. And again, I just, it's fine if you don't want to report it and you want to be an insider, great. You'll get to go to have a steak at St. Elmo's in Indianapolis. Fantastic for you. But if somebody wants to come into the business and they're just like, hey, one of the top ten prospects in this draft, maybe the best defensive player in the country, was actually in an accident two years ago where somebody died and nobody has ever reported it. And he reports that for people. I think, like, I don't think you all get to talk shit about him. I just think that like, hey, man, you know what? He had the nuts to do it.
Speaker 7:
[40:28] You know, so anyway, a lot of people were all in his motherfucking face about it.
Speaker 5:
[40:34] Yeah, McShay, our teammate, not happy about it. But I heard from my sources that McShay was doing that, Joel, because he heard that you had Ruben Bay number one on your big board. So he was trying to stick his neck out.
Speaker 8:
[40:44] You know what?
Speaker 5:
[40:46] He was defending you.
Speaker 8:
[40:47] Preserve it. I appreciate that if that's what he was doing. I think Todd was wrong on that, but you know, we can agree to disagree. The thing about Ruben Bayne, though, you can't have historically short arms and this on your record. But it's not just that in 2025, he was cited again for reckless driving. I just look, I'm not saying it means he's a bad person. I don't think I don't know if he just.
Speaker 7:
[41:13] What is the concern for you drafting them? If you're a team, tell us what was in your mind dropping him. Is it a character concern?
Speaker 5:
[41:19] You still have him top five. You didn't drop him that far.
Speaker 7:
[41:22] I know, but is that going to reflect? But you're taking him from being what you would say is a franchise cornerstone to. I guess he's still a franchise cornerstone, but one to five, there's a clear set of, I guess, priorities there for you as a drafter, as a big board maker. What changed for you?
Speaker 8:
[41:40] Well, I just, I think that you can't, you should be as careful behind the wheel as anybody that has ever existed. I just can't believe that after something that, I mean, and we haven't heard him talk about it. He doesn't have to talk about it if he don't want to. That should have been as traumatic as anything else. It should have been like, okay, I'm going to drive 15 miles an hour from here on out. But not just that. In Olly Connolly's report, he says that NFL teams are saying, we don't think he's been upfront about this. We feel like there's more to this story that the other shoe is going to drop, suggesting that either he hasn't been fully truthful about this particular incident or just about other stuff. So that's just kind of like, again, I think Ruben Bane is a fantastic football player, which is why I had a number one. But I feel like if you got that, if you already got short arms, I'm willing to overlook that shit. I was like, well, he managed to throw out this like that. But now I got some concerns that, hey, man, he may not take this as seriously. His future is, I would prefer for a guy that is the top of my draft board. So I'll just drop him a few spots.
Speaker 5:
[42:52] He'll still be a top 10 pick. Four spots for character concerns. Fair.
Speaker 8:
[42:55] Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[42:55] Four spots for character concerns.
Speaker 5:
[42:56] Gotcha.
Speaker 8:
[42:57] Yeah. OK. Number six, Fernando Mendoza. Number seven, I learned how to pronounce his name this way. Francis Maui Noah. There you go. Like that. All right. Number eight, David Bailey. OK.
Speaker 5:
[43:11] Who's who's mocked to go number two to the Jets?
Speaker 8:
[43:15] Yeah. Yeah. Some people, you know, some people think it will be Arvel Reese. Some people think it will be David Bailey.
Speaker 5:
[43:20] I think I'm pretty sure it's David Bailey.
Speaker 8:
[43:22] Yeah. So and I don't I think Bill said this and it's true. He's Arvel Reese is two years younger to two years. I mean, so it's just like so I got somebody with who really popped in his one year. He's an athletic Marvel. But I'm going to go with the guy who's two years older. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to suggest to me that Arvel might have even more to tap into at the next level.
Speaker 5:
[43:49] It feels like the jazz are just going for the safer option.
Speaker 7:
[43:52] Who was the, in Khalil Mack's career, who was his contemporary he was always compared to was Vaughn Miller?
Speaker 8:
[43:59] That sounds about right.
Speaker 11:
[44:00] He's a little bit younger than Vaughn, but yeah.
Speaker 7:
[44:02] He's a little bit younger than Vaughn, but who was at the time the guy was always compared to Khalil Mack. I can't remember, because I look at Bailey as more of the Khalil Mack type of mold. You know what I mean? Like a guy who has all of it, consummate professional, but is going to be a solidly elite for a long, long time. Solidly elite for a long, long time. The player is going to jump into my goddamn brain. It was always Khalil Mack versus whomever else. It's going to jump into my...
Speaker 8:
[44:38] Was it Sean Merriman? No, no, it couldn't be. Hell no.
Speaker 10:
[44:41] Sean Merriman.
Speaker 8:
[44:43] That's easel.
Speaker 11:
[44:44] Okay, well, hold on, man.
Speaker 5:
[44:45] I don't even know they played the NFL at the same time.
Speaker 8:
[44:47] Why is that so different than whoever we just said?
Speaker 10:
[44:50] It's Sean Merriman that had to leave for a while, bro.
Speaker 8:
[44:55] I mean, he dated Teela Tequila, man.
Speaker 5:
[44:57] Yeah, that's how you know. It's been a long time since Relevancy. But yeah, David Bailey.
Speaker 8:
[45:02] Sean Merriman, about my age.
Speaker 5:
[45:03] I didn't want to ask you this, Joel. In your big board, do you put Defensive End or do you put Edge Rusher? Because it seems like we've turned the way that we kind of label these guys as, you know, Defensive End used to be the label you'd give. Now it's Edge Rusher. How do you feel on that?
Speaker 8:
[45:20] I prefer Edge because, I mean, sometimes like Arville Reese, the thing that makes him great is that, yes, he could be a fantastic pass rusher, having his hand in the dirt, but he can do so many other things, dropping into coverage, playing in space. He's a good tackler. So that's why I just say Edge, you know? Cause Russia specifies like one particular job that you've got, which is an important job. And if you excel at it, you'll make a lot of money. But I think that Arville Reese is a little bit more than that. So for instance, like I think of Reese as an Edge and Bailey as a pass rusher, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5:
[45:52] So you differentiate them, even though they're both listed as Edge rushers.
Speaker 8:
[45:55] Yeah, I mean, I think Bailey's a little bit different. I mean, I think Bailey is obviously really good. She was the highest graded defensive player in college football last year, according to PFF.
Speaker 5:
[46:03] 14 and a half sacks last year.
Speaker 7:
[46:05] Which player do you feel like is more versatile?
Speaker 8:
[46:08] Oh, Arvel Reese. I was talking to somebody about Arvel and I was saying that he was sort of like the chess piece that Ohio State deployed all last year. Like he was like, and he called him the queen. You know, I don't play chess, so I don't know how significant that is, but it sounded like a big deal. And so that's, I mean, yeah, Arvel has just got a lot of versatility, got a lot of athleticism. Much younger, I would, I mean, you know, I have him over David Bailey, but not by that much, but I think there is a difference.
Speaker 5:
[46:40] So if you're doing a start, binge, cut of those edge rushers, right? You know, Arvel Reese, David Bailey and Ruben Bane.
Speaker 8:
[46:47] Oh my God.
Speaker 5:
[46:49] Cause those are the top 10 guys.
Speaker 8:
[46:50] Oh, well no, start Arvel, bench Ruben, cut David.
Speaker 5:
[46:56] Okay. And there's a chance that David Bailey goes before both of those guys.
Speaker 8:
[47:00] I know.
Speaker 7:
[47:00] I mean, that's, I mean, I think we're undervaluing David Bailey a little bit here, man. You might be right. I think there's a little bit of under value. I mean, David Bailey is also just like, just incredibly reliable. Like all of this.
Speaker 5:
[47:16] Feels like a grownup on the line.
Speaker 7:
[47:18] Yeah.
Speaker 11:
[47:18] You can just plug and play.
Speaker 7:
[47:20] Like you can orient a defense around him. David Bailey is going to be a linchpin for somebody for a long time.
Speaker 8:
[47:26] I just wonder if I said that about David Bailey in November, which you all would have said about me. If I said, you know, Texas Tech's David Bailey, one of the best players in the country, man, sets that edge. He's just really versatile. You all be like, man, that's the big 12. He don't play nobody. BYU? Oh, man. This is manufactured right here.
Speaker 5:
[47:45] We never said this. You've created this.
Speaker 9:
[47:47] Nobody said that.
Speaker 7:
[47:48] But you know what the funny thing is about it, though?
Speaker 10:
[47:52] You didn't say it.
Speaker 8:
[47:54] So, next.
Speaker 7:
[47:55] I did.
Speaker 8:
[47:56] I said Texas Tech's defense was great, and it was a championship level defense.
Speaker 10:
[48:00] They didn't say it.
Speaker 11:
[48:01] We're going to need Billy to dig that up.
Speaker 8:
[48:03] Texas Tech's defense did not lose against Oregon. Okay? They won. They won their matchup, the Texas Tech defense. They were great. Y'all sleep on Big 12 football, and now you're acting like y'all don't.
Speaker 5:
[48:16] We're trying to support. We're trying to see what's going on. All right, how many more players on the big board? How many more players on the big board? We got seven?
Speaker 8:
[48:24] I think we, no. So we had eight. We were David Bailey, number nine, Mansour Delane, solid corner out of LSU, Van Nosen. I just kind of think also just, he's just, to have been so business-like, to have thrived at Virginia Tech, and just come to LSU and do everything everybody expected of him, right? Like that just, that just says something to me. That's like, he's a professional to me, you know? And then I moved in Spencer Fano over Sadiq, man. I just been thinking about a little bit more, you know, grinding a little more tape, you know?
Speaker 5:
[49:00] I think we need to have a Tailgate tape session with Joel. That's what I think.
Speaker 8:
[49:04] Grinding some tape, you know what I'm saying? Spencer Fano, man, big dude, very athletic. Utah's quarterback, who I really like, could not pass. And when Utah needed to get busy, they went behind Spencer Fano, man. Dan Peir, man.
Speaker 5:
[49:20] Good player.
Speaker 8:
[49:20] Definitely Dan Peir, very good player.
Speaker 5:
[49:22] Yeah, but interesting. So just to do some cross-reference here, I got McShay's big board. He's got Jeremiah Love at number one. And it seems that a lot of people think that Jeremiah Love is one of the few blue chippers that are out there. So he's got him at number one. Sonny Stiles at two, Resit at three, Mendoza at four, Bailey at five. Then he's got your number one guy, Caleb Downs at six, Carnell Tate, who you did not mention there at number seven, Mansour Delane, Jermod McCoy, another cornerback from Tennessee.
Speaker 8:
[49:50] Jermod McCoy, I mean, that's it. I really disagree. I mean, again, Jermod McCoy didn't play last year. He had his recovery from a knee injury. That is a real big leap of faith to have him in your top 10. But I mean, obviously-
Speaker 5:
[50:02] This is the big board though. Again, just like your big board.
Speaker 8:
[50:05] It's not about fit, it's not about where they're getting drafted. I wasn't grinding 2024 tape.
Speaker 5:
[50:10] You kept it strictly 2025 and then Ruben Bain, he's got it at number 10 right now. Do a little cross-reference there between the two. I do want to talk about Mansour Delane just a little bit, Van, just because he's in your LSU backyard. Was there any moment last year that you had that you were like, yeah, this is the guy or were you shocked to see him go? Because a lot of times with the draft stuff, like you have guys on your team, you're like, man, he's a top 10 pick, damn, that's crazy. Did you expect him to be in this conversation?
Speaker 7:
[50:36] Absolutely.
Speaker 5:
[50:37] Okay.
Speaker 7:
[50:38] He was very quietly because of some of the problems that, I wouldn't say that the LSU defense was a problem, but I would say that there weren't a lot of bright spots on the field for the entire course of the year. We couldn't maintain any type of consistency as a program last year. But one of the bright spots was not just him, but AJ Halsey on the backside of the defense at safety, Delane was fucking unbelievable last year. You could not be productive against him. He was locking down everything, and he tested out really well. So I was not surprised at all that if you grinded the tape, like Joel said, and also the way he tested out in his workouts that he was drafted, he ran 3.8, excuse me, he ran 4.3. He ran 4.3 on top of everything else that the tape said on the field. I can't really, he was really phenomenal this year. Like really phenomenal on the outside for LSU.
Speaker 8:
[51:41] What are we gonna do about Harold Perkins, dog? What do you think Harold Perkins' future as a football player?
Speaker 7:
[51:47] You know, man, it's like, with Perk, you saw what Perk can do if you need him to make athletic plays. He can make athletic plays on the field that other players just simply can't make. And the question is, you know, how do you take that combination of skills and make them into an every-down defensive superstar? And that's something for the coach, but it's not quite evident, right? Perk is a tweener. He's a little, like small to be at edge or backer, but too big to be like in at your nickel or something like that. So it's almost like you got to invent something for him. During his time at LSU, they tried him at different places. They tried him at more, I guess, tradition and more traditional linebacker roles. It did not seem like he flourished there. The fan base also didn't have very much patience for it because what you really want to do with him is put him in a position where you can go see ball, get ball, Harold Perkins. But in the NFL, like who really exists in that role that has some of maybe the physical limitations that Perk has in terms of size? I can't think of anyone. Yeah. And covering in space is not something that's going to be second nature to him. So like, what do you do? Like, what do you do? I do think that somebody will figure it out, but it might take him a little while to like get his body right, change up a little bit. Maybe you add a little weight, sacrifice some of your explosiveness and try to figure out how you fit in on the defense somewhere.
Speaker 8:
[53:26] Yeah, no, I was just thinking about him. He's a child. Shout out. Because you know who reminded me of this? Devin Hester. When he was at Miami, like he was so fast and such a good athlete and they really wanted him to succeed. So they tried to make him a receiver, tried to let him run the ball out of the backfield, all that other shit. And they're just like, man, that's just not his gift, you know? So I mean, he was able to excel a kick return and I was just thinking, I was like, man, this is too bad. There's just something on special teams that's so important, you know, like a gunner or whatever, so that he could be in the league because he's a great athlete. But it's just like, yeah, to your point, I just said, where does he fit? And no team is going to spend that much time trying to do that with Harold Perkins because you try to figure out Sonny Styles. He's 6'5, 244. Like he's a little too tall to be a linebacker, but not quite big enough to be a defensive end or edge or whatever. I guess he is, sort of, but it's not like 270, 280.
Speaker 7:
[54:27] He could be an edge.
Speaker 8:
[54:28] Yeah, maybe he could be an edge, but he's like light in the ass relatively. You know what I mean? Like he's not 270, 280, right. And so, but you do that, you make those accommodations to try to find a role for him on the field because that's fucking Sonny Styles. I don't know if Harold Perkins has that. And I just want, I hope he doesn't fall through the cracks. I hope he gets a chance to excel in the league, but it just, it'll be tough.
Speaker 7:
[54:50] But with Sonny Styles, there is another player, a couple of other players, like a Max Crosby that you can compare him to. What does Max Crosby go? What does Max Crosby like 260, 250? What's Max Crosby?
Speaker 8:
[55:08] Let's see.
Speaker 7:
[55:11] There are players like that that you can see being successful and they're archetypes in the league already.
Speaker 8:
[55:18] Six, five, 255.
Speaker 7:
[55:21] Six, five, 255. So about the same thing.
Speaker 8:
[55:23] That's basically it.
Speaker 5:
[55:25] Yeah, they got styles listening to 244.
Speaker 7:
[55:28] 244. So he's a little bit more slight than that. But you could see a player like that actually. There's an example of somebody with those physical gifts that can play their way into NFL superstardom. Where Harold Perkins, I guess the question would be, where is the 6'1, 220-pound, 225-pound edge guy, linebacker who doesn't like, who's not, where is that guy existing now? What can Harold's body? He ran, I think, like 4'3, 4'4, at his combine, probably at 4'4. So he could probably add a little size, right? Swam down maybe a little bit, but like where is he going to play? Like, what is the archetype for Harold Perkins right now?
Speaker 8:
[56:12] It's just crazy because Harold Perkins was a really good high school running back. And I remember when he went to LSU.
Speaker 7:
[56:17] He was fantastic.
Speaker 8:
[56:18] Yeah. When he went to LSU, I was like, okay, like he found his fit and he's going to get bigger or whatever. You know, I'm thinking by the end of his college career, he's going to be like 2'40, 2'45, and he would have figured it out. But I remember maybe after like his sophomore year, I'm like, shit, man, I wonder if Harold Perkins should have played running back. It just occurred to me. I was like, I wonder if he should have given it a shot at running back.
Speaker 7:
[56:39] Because there were a lot of people that wanted him to try it.
Speaker 8:
[56:42] That's Jeremiah Love. He's Jeremiah Love sized.
Speaker 5:
[56:45] Yeah. We've seen safeties get moved to running back before. You know what I mean? Sometimes those positions get flip-flopped every once in a while. I do want to talk about Y receivers, because I do think this class of Y receivers is pretty fascinating. We have, I think, four or five guys that will end up being in the first round. We'll see if they get pushed back because people reach for linemen and edge rushers, those premier positions. Right now, Carnell Tate is pretty much a lock to go in the top ten. You got Mackay Lemon from USC, Jordan Tyson from Arizona State, Omar Cooper Jr from Indiana, who obviously had some big moments this year. Then you get into the Denzel Boston, Casey Concepcion, who has been kind of a draft darling. A lot of people falling in love with his story. And then Chris Brazel, who has had some insane moments and catches and highlights during his time at Tennessee. So of those receivers, Joel, you've been crunching the tape. Obviously, take Carnell Tate, maybe put him in his own territory, but which one of those guys kind of stands out to you?
Speaker 8:
[57:36] Well, no, it's interesting you say that about Carnell Tate, because I know that everything says that he's going to be a productive NFL starter, maybe not a star, but a productive NFL starter. Like he's, he's ready to go. But I just, and I know that this is ignorant, so forgive me for it, but I'm thinking the best receiver on your team has always been Jeremiah Smith, you know? And like not, and not just that, like he's drawing the most defensive attention every time. And again, Carnell Tate, Kate Catch-Radius, Contested Catch-Rate, All Elite. Like everything says that he's really good, right? But I just, it just worked. I don't, you know, we'll see. Every-
Speaker 7:
[58:17] That's your question?
Speaker 8:
[58:18] Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 7:
[58:18] About this ridiculously weird take on the 2019 LSU team, who was the best, who was the best receiver?
Speaker 8:
[58:30] I mean, probably Terrace Marshall. No, I'm just joking. It was Jamar Chase.
Speaker 7:
[58:35] Okay. Hey, Terrace Marshall could have been-
Speaker 8:
[58:36] Terrace Marshall, nice. Yeah, I know him. He's good. I like him. Curse the Tate. I said curse the Tate. Curse the Tate.
Speaker 7:
[58:43] He's a dog. I think, my point is, I think if you would have asked anyone that watched the season, they would have said that Jamar Chase was the clear number one, and that Justin Jefferson was one, a really capable number two. Watched a lot of the games at all. A lot of times it depended on the way the defense was playing things. The guys kind of had different roles. Chase was a little bit more of an over the top guy. They could use strength to win one on ones.
Speaker 11:
[59:13] It seemed like Burrow also trusted him the most, you know, on a 50-50 for sure, right?
Speaker 7:
[59:20] Or even on the back shoulder. But, you know, Justin Jefferson is a route master. So what I'm saying, though, is using that.
Speaker 8:
[59:28] They don't run post digs in high school. They don't run post digs in the league. That's Justin Jefferson talking to people. They don't do that. I'm serious. They don't run a post dig in high school, bro. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 9:
[59:39] He's really getting the kids to do it.
Speaker 7:
[59:42] What I'm saying is, obviously, you know, Tate's number one is like this freakish combination of athletic gifts that just doesn't come around that much. So it's not a complete one to one. But there are number twos in college football that go on to be insanely productive. You can maybe make an argument, like especially before last year, that Justin Jefferson has had just as good of as if not better, a career as the guy that he's shared the field with as his number one. So Cardinal Tate has everything that he needs.
Speaker 8:
[60:20] Oh, no, you know, Jackson Smith and Jigbo play with Chris Olave, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 7:
[60:23] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8:
[60:24] Look, I'm not...
Speaker 7:
[60:25] There's more. There's more. I can do more. I can go more. I can go more.
Speaker 8:
[60:27] I don't think... I just don't... When I see Cardinal Tate, I don't see top ten receiver prospect. I see the first mile prospect.
Speaker 5:
[60:35] So, if he's not the number one... Is he still the number one receiver on the board in Joel's mind?
Speaker 8:
[60:40] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[60:40] Or is it Mackay Lemon? I mean, I've seen Jordan Tyson getting a lot of love.
Speaker 7:
[60:43] Jordan Tyson, yeah.
Speaker 8:
[60:44] I don't... You know, the thing about Jordan Tyson, and again, if you have a hard time staying healthy in college, it's just real hard for me to see how that's going to turn around in the NFL. That's really tough, you know? Maybe he has all the right gifts. I mean, Deion, he left Colorado, and Deion is like riding for him hard through this drive process. So I'm just like, okay, he clearly has something, but I just, you know, being hurt all the time in college, I just wouldn't bet on that changing in the league. That's all.
Speaker 5:
[61:18] Yeah, but right now...
Speaker 11:
[61:19] Who's the other one?
Speaker 5:
[61:20] The four that are in the first round, at least by most projections, Mackay Lemon is ahead of Jordan Tyson, and then you got Omar Cooper Jr. from Indiana.
Speaker 8:
[61:29] I like Mackay Lemon, just doesn't have ideal size, but I really, really like Mackay Lemon.
Speaker 11:
[61:33] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[61:33] I think of those three, Tate is a pretty obvious one.
Speaker 7:
[61:37] Does Tate's 40 speed bother you?
Speaker 8:
[61:41] Not really. I mean, Pooka Nakua ran a four or six. You know what I mean? So I think you can excel.
Speaker 7:
[61:47] And it's not like...
Speaker 5:
[61:48] What did Tate run? He ran like a four or five, right?
Speaker 8:
[61:50] He ran a four or five point.
Speaker 7:
[61:51] Ran a four or five, yeah.
Speaker 5:
[61:52] Okay.
Speaker 8:
[61:52] Yeah. And which was slower than people would have liked, especially now. But I don't... I'm just never one of those people that over determines for the 40. Like it usually confirms what I think. But if you have really good tape, like Tate does, then it doesn't bother me too much.
Speaker 7:
[62:12] Got open, made catches.
Speaker 9:
[62:13] Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[62:13] Pooka Nakua ran a what?
Speaker 9:
[62:15] Four or six.
Speaker 7:
[62:17] Run a four or six, damn.
Speaker 8:
[62:19] Yeah, man. It's tough.
Speaker 5:
[62:20] Some guys are faster in pads though. I don't know how to explain it. I feel like those 40 times are so overrated, especially when you see guys in pads.
Speaker 7:
[62:25] He gets open and he catches the ball and he says-
Speaker 5:
[62:28] Also a difference between quickness and speed.
Speaker 8:
[62:30] See.
Speaker 7:
[62:31] He's also in rehab right now, Pooka Nakua is.
Speaker 5:
[62:33] I think he just got out, right? Yeah, he got out.
Speaker 8:
[62:36] Wait, what kind of rehab? Oh, the other kind of rehab.
Speaker 11:
[62:40] He was going ham.
Speaker 5:
[62:41] Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[62:41] You know how sometimes, it's so funny. Racist rehab is so funny to me. It's like-
Speaker 5:
[62:47] Oh, I didn't know he was in racist rehab.
Speaker 7:
[62:49] Well, he was in rehab for a great many things, but he also, he said something anti-Semitic.
Speaker 5:
[62:55] I remember that. I've been kept up with the Pooka Nakua. I just know he was like partying hard.
Speaker 7:
[62:59] So a girl said that, because he said the N word, because I think he said the N word at one point too, right?
Speaker 11:
[63:04] Damn.
Speaker 7:
[63:06] Pooka hit everyone, Pooka did N word, and then he was like, let me not leave out our brothers and sisters in the Jewish community. So then he was accused of having bit someone. Oh, that's right. And didn't say the N word.
Speaker 11:
[63:18] Damn.
Speaker 5:
[63:18] Antonio Brown's life. Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[63:21] Yeah, going crazy, right? Run that 4-6 right to the ADL.
Speaker 8:
[63:25] He got the pronounced forehead of somebody that got problems, man.
Speaker 5:
[63:33] Taking shots.
Speaker 7:
[63:35] Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[63:36] I'm looking at his forehead and I'm like, man, this a problem.
Speaker 7:
[63:39] Let me see.
Speaker 8:
[63:41] He looks like an MMA fighter. He looks like a UFC.
Speaker 10:
[63:43] F**king true dog. What the s**t?
Speaker 7:
[63:47] Bro, he got the bomb-villain forehead.
Speaker 10:
[63:49] Are you f**king kidding me? How about you never notice this?
Speaker 7:
[63:52] Hey, bring up Pooka Nakua's forehead. He gonna be a problem the whole time in the league. He got the bomb-villain, the flat forehead joint.
Speaker 8:
[64:01] It's crazy, man.
Speaker 5:
[64:03] I mean, he always gets up and he gets wrecked.
Speaker 7:
[64:06] Yeah, he gets wrecked.
Speaker 8:
[64:08] You know, the thing about using the n-word, though, as a Samoan, they be doing that, you know?
Speaker 7:
[64:14] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[64:14] Especially at BYU.
Speaker 11:
[64:16] Oh, wow.
Speaker 7:
[64:18] Especially at BYU, tough. I feel like some of the Samoans that I know out here in LA., sometimes you have to have conversations with them about it. You be like, hey, bro, you know, because it's weird. Like, you're not a nigger.
Speaker 10:
[64:36] You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 7:
[64:38] Like, you know, like, you know, like, don't, I'm not, you know, you know what's funny? So, in Louisiana, these rules are just like a lot more defined because we don't have the diversity.
Speaker 9:
[64:53] That's right.
Speaker 7:
[64:53] Right?
Speaker 9:
[64:54] Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[64:54] So, they're clear, in word passes and on in word passes. You don't have to worry about it. You don't have to worry about it like what, you know, you share it. But now, you go to New York, you got Puerto Ricans around, Dominicans, some of them are black, some of them are not. They saying it, they not saying it. Then you come to LA, you got the Samoans and stuff and shit. Some of them be banging sets. They be cooking some blood.
Speaker 8:
[65:16] That's right, man. And Texas, there's Texas, Mexicans, Hondurans, they be on that shit hard. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 7:
[65:22] They're going anywhere. I think Puka from California, Puka probably learned about the whole N-word situation. Where is he from? Where is Puka from?
Speaker 8:
[65:34] Utah.
Speaker 7:
[65:35] Oh, wait.
Speaker 8:
[65:35] We say he was born in Vegas, but he grew up in Provo, Utah, man.
Speaker 7:
[65:39] Oh, okay. So no, he's not from California at all. That's an ER situation.
Speaker 8:
[65:42] But wait, but the Samoans in Utah be on that shit though, bro. I mean, they bang and everything out there.
Speaker 7:
[65:48] Are Samoans the only niggas that are in Utah? Samoans might be the of Utah. Yeah, dog.
Speaker 8:
[65:52] They really might be, fool.
Speaker 7:
[65:55] Bro, Samoans, because you look at the BYU and Utah college football teams, it's a lot of Samoans. Samoans might be the niggas of Utah.
Speaker 8:
[66:07] They might be. I'm saying, man.
Speaker 7:
[66:10] In that case, Joel, do you give Pooka a pass?
Speaker 5:
[66:12] Yeah, there you go, Joel. It's a good question.
Speaker 8:
[66:14] I'll tell you about the time I gave a white boy a pass.
Speaker 5:
[66:16] See, that was always a farce.
Speaker 7:
[66:20] I have never wanted to hear a story more than the story that is about to be told. Silence from Van Lathan.
Speaker 11:
[66:30] Joel Anderson, proceed.
Speaker 13:
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Speaker 14:
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Speaker 3:
[67:28] K-pop demon hunters, Saja Boys Breakfast Meal and Huntrix Meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi? It's not a battle.
Speaker 2:
[67:39] So glad the Saja Boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.
Speaker 10:
[67:43] It is an honor to share.
Speaker 3:
[67:44] No, it's our honor.
Speaker 2:
[67:46] It is our larger honor.
Speaker 1:
[67:48] No, really, stop.
Speaker 3:
[67:50] You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side.
Speaker 4:
[67:56] I participated in McDonald's while supplies last.
Speaker 8:
[67:58] Okay, it's not, I mean, you're going to be disappointed. But anyway, one time I was out with my homie, man, and I'm not going to say who it is because he's someone important person now. Anyway, it was a weekend night. We were just looking for some weed. And so he knew where to go get some weed. So we went to, I'd never been out in this side. He was West side of Houston, man, out near West Oak Small, like Highway 6. And is that, what highway is that? In Beltway 8. So we way out there, dawg. Just a part of the time I'm not familiar with, it's dark late at night and we go into this house, man. And the first thing I noticed, this is like three pit bulls just running around loosening this fucking apartment, dawg. And I was like, what the fuck? And it was this white guy that pops up and he was the dealer, man. And so he just starts saying, yeah, what's up, You know what I'm saying? But he just like, just saying it. And he said it was so much confidence and so much familiarity. I was, and this is not my house. I'd never been to this house before. That man had three pit bulls and presumably whatever else going on in there. I was just like, yo, told my homie, I was like, if this is your boy, dog, he must be able to, I mean, he must be able to say it. Like he said it, like he knew that he could say it and nothing was going to happen. And he was right, you know? So I don't know who that white boy is. He sold me weed one time in 2004. But I remember when we walked out of that house and I told my dude, I was like, bro, don't ever put me in no situation like this shit again, dog. Don't ever, like that. Well, what happened if we got attacked in that motherfucker? What would we tell people about what had gone on? This is when also weed seemed more taboo.
Speaker 10:
[69:40] You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 8:
[69:41] 2004, 2005.
Speaker 7:
[69:43] You know who I want to hear from on this?
Speaker 10:
[69:45] Who?
Speaker 7:
[69:47] The whole, the audience knows.
Speaker 5:
[69:50] There he is.
Speaker 9:
[69:51] Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[69:56] I know who I want to hear from.
Speaker 5:
[69:57] Billy, you've been on Joel's side so far today.
Speaker 10:
[69:59] Yeah.
Speaker 12:
[70:00] I mean, I got the mandate that would support Joel, so I'm here to support Joel on this issue.
Speaker 10:
[70:06] Yo, Billy, man.
Speaker 12:
[70:08] The only thing I was confused about a little bit was you didn't want to tell us the name of the person because it was an important person. So then I was like, who's this drug dealer that's not an important person, has four pit bulls running around their living room?
Speaker 8:
[70:19] No, no, no. My homeboy is sort of an important person.
Speaker 12:
[70:22] Oh.
Speaker 8:
[70:23] I don't want to say who it was.
Speaker 12:
[70:24] What's sort of an important person mean?
Speaker 8:
[70:27] He has a job where you just don't want to be affiliated with that kind of shit.
Speaker 7:
[70:33] What does that mean?
Speaker 12:
[70:34] Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[70:34] What does he do?
Speaker 12:
[70:35] What kind of job?
Speaker 8:
[70:36] Yeah.
Speaker 11:
[70:40] Don't narrow the search, Joel.
Speaker 8:
[70:41] Sad enough.
Speaker 12:
[70:42] Doctor?
Speaker 8:
[70:44] I knew him when he's been my homeboy. We grew up in Texas together. You know what I'm saying? Shout him out. That's my dog. You know what I mean? Well, shout him out so we know.
Speaker 7:
[70:51] Okay, so here's the deal.
Speaker 8:
[70:52] No.
Speaker 7:
[70:52] Yeah. Here's the deal. You know who he is. Here's the deal that we'll make before I talk about this story. If we figure out who he is, we get to say his name on the podcast. My friend? You can tell us who he is. Yeah, your friend. You can tell us who he is and we can just bleep it. But if we figure out who he is, we get to say his name on the podcast. Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[71:12] Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[71:13] You down with that?
Speaker 8:
[71:15] I guess I can agree.
Speaker 5:
[71:16] I wouldn't take that deal.
Speaker 12:
[71:18] Seems like a bad deal. No.
Speaker 11:
[71:19] Well, you know, it's a bad deal, Joel.
Speaker 12:
[71:22] We found Moncrie Paul in five minutes. Yeah.
Speaker 11:
[71:25] You outed him.
Speaker 5:
[71:26] I mean, you may have already said his name for all we know.
Speaker 8:
[71:29] I mean, the thing is that Van kept also making that shit seem so much more homoerotic than it was. But it was not. It was just not. I mean, it was just dudes letting off steam, man. You know what I'm saying? You got to.
Speaker 10:
[71:39] It's OK. I'm like, my dad. He's like, you think you're the best.
Speaker 8:
[71:44] You ain't ever. You've never walked in a room and be like, I'm the best in here, dog. Somebody proved me different. You know what I mean? You ain't ever walk in a room like that. OK. All right.
Speaker 10:
[71:54] Let me ask you this. So would you consider, would you consider what happened when the white boy said, to your face? Would you consider that to be, would you consider that to be a cuck out?
Speaker 8:
[72:09] Yeah, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would cop the cuck it out there.
Speaker 5:
[72:16] That was your first fine bomb.
Speaker 8:
[72:17] You know, it's funny because I don't even consider that the first time I've been called a to my face by a white person because I never I count being called a nigga to my face by a white person is happening my first weekend in Shreveport. Not that time, because I just I get I've just totally in my mind that guy is allowed to use it. There's just no question about it. He gets he got to say nigga that day. So yeah, I cucked out whatever own boy's name is. I cucked out. I was it didn't seem worth raising a fuss.
Speaker 5:
[72:46] You also were it was a transaction that was happening. So you were like.
Speaker 8:
[72:51] I'm scared of pit bulls.
Speaker 12:
[72:54] What?
Speaker 7:
[72:54] I'm scared of pit bulls too.
Speaker 12:
[72:55] But the customer is always right, Joel.
Speaker 8:
[72:57] You ain't never ran from a pit bull before. Have you run from a pit bull before?
Speaker 11:
[73:01] Anybody in there had to run from one. I've actually had some sweet pit bulls.
Speaker 8:
[73:05] Had to run from a pit bull before.
Speaker 7:
[73:06] I think some sweet pit bulls, some of them are nice. So then let me ask you this. What was the time when you got called a to your face in Shreveport?
Speaker 8:
[73:18] Do you want to talk about this?
Speaker 7:
[73:20] Yes.
Speaker 8:
[73:20] All right. All right. Man, all right. Let me see how I can say this story. All right. First weekend, I start working at the Shreveport Times. All right. And some of the coworkers that were there, they were like, yo, they were like, yo, we're going to go out and bowl this weekend. Do you want to come with us? I was like, hell, yeah. You know, I'm just a new place. I'm just trying to learn people. And really, the thing was, I went because one of the girls was really cute. OK. And so anyway, we go to. Oh, man, I hope my wife didn't hear this story, because she does not she does not like me saying anything about this shit. But anyway, so we we went we played bowling and I was just much I was I will say, it was one of my most charming nights ever as a human being. Like I was just rolling. I wasn't even high. Like I was just I was on my shit, man. And so we left the bowling alley. It's late. The other co-workers left. But the cute girl that said she said, well, do you want to go to IHOP at the you know, over there on the Louisiana boardwalk in Bossier City? I said, yeah, sure. Hell yeah. Let's go. So we went got in there was sitting in in the waiting area and like four drunk white guys are coming in and they're like, one of them was like, I'll fight any fucking nigger in here, you know, all this kind of shit. And he's kind of, you know, doing all that. And the first time I didn't hear him, I'm like, what did he say? And then he said it again and I stood up. Okay. And then that's when the IHOP person came in and is like, no, you guys, guys, you can't come in here. You could get out of here with all that stuff, whatever. So that's what happened. I remember one young brother came in and I'll never forget this shit. He's like 16 years old. And he and his boys came in and he was like, what happened? And I was like, yo man, he was out here saying. And he's like, man, I would have kicked him in his neck. I'll just never forget him saying that shit.
Speaker 5:
[75:13] Kick him in the neck?
Speaker 8:
[75:14] I would kick him in his neck. I was like, that's funny, dog.
Speaker 9:
[75:17] Anyway, good night.
Speaker 8:
[75:20] A very memorable night.
Speaker 7:
[75:21] In that situation, you stood up.
Speaker 5:
[75:23] Yeah, you stood up.
Speaker 8:
[75:24] I stood up. Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[75:26] Respect. That's dope. Cause that's dope. Cause we were in the Sopranos. I won't lay down. I'll step up. That's what you did, like Beansie did.
Speaker 8:
[75:33] Yeah. I was like, yeah.
Speaker 5:
[75:35] That was a good.
Speaker 8:
[75:35] I don't think it's Sopranos, but yeah.
Speaker 13:
[75:37] Oh yeah.
Speaker 5:
[75:37] What?
Speaker 13:
[75:38] Never seen a Sopranos?
Speaker 5:
[75:40] Joel, you would love the Sopranos.
Speaker 8:
[75:41] You think so?
Speaker 5:
[75:42] Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[75:43] I should give it a shot. You right.
Speaker 5:
[75:46] It's a great show.
Speaker 8:
[75:48] When I'm done, I mean, grind tape season. So whenever this is over, I get to that. I got a lot of things on my list.
Speaker 5:
[75:53] You're grinding the tape. Last draft take that you have, like what's something that you're like, there's the player, there's something out there that you're like, this is what I'm keeping my eye on when we get to the NFL draft on Thursday.
Speaker 8:
[76:05] Well, I mean, there's two things. One, I hope Jeremiah Love goes to her team. I wish it was like a typical year for a running back where they went lower in the draft.
Speaker 5:
[76:12] It sounds like Arizona. I mean, the scuttlebutt that I'm getting is Arizona at three.
Speaker 8:
[76:17] I just, man, I love running back so much, man. I just, I think the NFL is so cool when there's good running backs. I was, you know, dream to be in a running back myself. And I would just hate for him to get buried behind a bad offensive line. Like, you know, watching Aston Gentile last year, he was solid, but it was sort of disappointing. But I was just like, what did you expect him to do, you know?
Speaker 5:
[76:39] They also tried to change a lot about what he was doing.
Speaker 8:
[76:42] Chip Kelly was fucking with his stance. I was like, leave the man alone. Like, leave him alone. He's fine. Anyway, that's why Chip Kelly didn't last very long there. Right. Anyway, so yeah, man. So yeah, that's my top line thing. Because you had written on our sheet here, Tate, Hidden Jim. And I want to give a shout out to Bud Clark, safety out of TCU. Had four I&Ts this year, ran a 4-4-1 at the Combine. He did everything right. He's a six year senior. He was one of the standouts at the Senior Bowl. Everybody talked about how dope he was and how good he was and how professional he was. I'm going to miss him at TCU, but I think he's going to be a fantastic pro. I think he's just not ideal size, which is probably why he's not going as high as his play and his record would probably demand, but I think he's going to be doing really well in the league.
Speaker 5:
[77:33] Okay. I like it. TCU Shout, Hidden Jim. Van, any last thoughts on the draft? Any Hidden Jims?
Speaker 7:
[77:38] I can't wait.
Speaker 5:
[77:40] Okay.
Speaker 7:
[77:40] I can't wait. This is going to be the last year of the LSU Draft Drop. We're coming back, baby.
Speaker 8:
[77:47] Oh, yeah. Sam Levitt, George Seaton.
Speaker 5:
[77:50] $40 million coming back with a Vengeance. You love to see it?
Speaker 7:
[77:53] Shut up. I think that the second N-Word story kind of sucked. The first one was dope, though.
Speaker 5:
[78:05] Yeah, the first one was better.
Speaker 8:
[78:07] Wait, which one was better?
Speaker 7:
[78:09] The first one was better, the first N-Word story.
Speaker 5:
[78:12] More enthrall. Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[78:13] Tate, have you ever called anyone the N-Word before?
Speaker 5:
[78:16] My basketball teams had always tried to give me the pass, and I'm like, I'm good, man. I'm like, this is a trap.
Speaker 7:
[78:20] They tried to make you say it.
Speaker 5:
[78:22] Oh, yeah. They're like, what song you listen to?
Speaker 7:
[78:24] I know what the mascot of your basketball team was, the Coons.
Speaker 5:
[78:27] The Vikings. They wanted to see it. When you're the one white, they're trying to get you caught up.
Speaker 8:
[78:37] That's a younger generation thing, man. Because I mean, I can't understand kids being like, yeah, man, go ahead and say it, bro.
Speaker 5:
[78:45] No, it's always a trap, though. Like, you just got to see what happened. I never heard a white person say the N-word until I went to private school and middle school. And then they were saying it all the time. And I was like, damn, hey, they need to go to public school.
Speaker 8:
[78:56] Hold on, hold on, hold on. White people need to talk more about this. Because really, I'm really always curious about how much is being said. And Van obsesses over this, obviously. Like he's talked about how many times a person said the N word or not.
Speaker 5:
[79:09] It was like Malibu when I went to private school.
Speaker 11:
[79:12] I was like, man, these kids.
Speaker 7:
[79:13] Tate, hold on for a second. The essence.
Speaker 11:
[79:19] When they were saying it.
Speaker 7:
[79:22] Hold on, wait a second now. When they were saying it, did you stand in the gap for us?
Speaker 5:
[79:27] Yeah, I was just like, y'all are wild.
Speaker 10:
[79:29] Hold on, because listening to GZ is one thing. When they were saying it, did you stand up and say, hey, yo, yo, did you stand up and say.
Speaker 5:
[79:39] I said, cut it out, guys. All right, guys.
Speaker 8:
[79:42] You two bros, cut it out. I'm gonna try to keep the camera straight. So Van, every time been sitting around trying to call the women bitches and you stand up and be like, man, you know, don't call, don't do that.
Speaker 7:
[79:53] Can I be real?
Speaker 9:
[79:54] Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[79:58] I'm gonna be all the way real.
Speaker 8:
[79:59] Okay, yeah.
Speaker 7:
[80:02] No, but I will say that like, for whatever reason, I know people are not gonna believe me, but for whatever reason, in my crew in like Louisiana, we did not call women bitches like that. Like, nobody was, now, hoes is different. Like, everybody was a hoe, right? Like, women would call men hoes and stuff like that. Hoes was different. Hoes was different. Howling at hoes, people would say stuff like that. All of that stuff. That's one thing.
Speaker 8:
[80:38] Holes was so many things.
Speaker 7:
[80:40] Holes was so many things, but like, to call a woman, to refer to a woman as a bitch, I'm sorry, dog, we wasn't doing no ton of that where I was from.
Speaker 10:
[80:53] Is that a West Coast thing?
Speaker 8:
[80:54] Is that what the West Coast dudes were doing in the 90s or something?
Speaker 7:
[80:56] I honestly don't know. I honestly don't know, but where I'm from, I can't remember be like, man, y'all bitches is doing, nah, fuck no. Like, no, no, not at all. Yeah. Not at all.
Speaker 8:
[81:08] It's a little bit too out of the norm. It's like when people would use the slur for gay folks, and I was just like, yo, what the fuck is wrong with you? I don't understand, like, where is this coming from?
Speaker 5:
[81:18] It's just really out of pocket.
Speaker 8:
[81:19] Yeah, it's just out of pocket. Like, why are you even using that word here?
Speaker 5:
[81:21] It's a record scratch.
Speaker 8:
[81:22] Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[81:23] Wait a second. So you stood up at that time.
Speaker 8:
[81:28] What time?
Speaker 7:
[81:30] So someone says that word, and you stand up, but someone says the n-word, and you let it slide.
Speaker 8:
[81:37] I stood up that time that I was actually called the n-word. I tell you, I don't consider that as being called the n-word. He was using the term as a term of endearment in the way that I'll use it. And I was just like, he has a comfort with this word that I'm just not going to dispute tonight.
Speaker 5:
[81:55] Yeah, tough.
Speaker 8:
[81:56] You know what I'm saying? It's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 5:
[82:00] Draft. The draft, we wrapped it up. I think we're all excited for the draft. And we'll react to the draft next week. Once we have the, it's hard to, I hate to predict things. I like to react to things. So I mean, trying to predict what's gonna happen in the draft just feels like a futile journey. So you know, let's get to some headlines of the week. There's some fascinating stuff that came out. First up, Ty Simpson says he considers staying in college for $6.5 million, an offer that he got from the Miami Hurricanes. And he was talked out of going to Miami by his old coach, Nick Saban. Was this good advice from Nick Saban, Van?
Speaker 7:
[82:31] No.
Speaker 11:
[82:31] That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:
[82:32] I'm like, that's a great offer from him.
Speaker 7:
[82:34] In no way, shape or form, like not in any way. For everything that I've said about college football, about what's happening with the money and all of that stuff, he should have went to Miami, played one year, but with a team that's got a lot of talent, gonna have to do some retooling, of course, he should have done it.
Speaker 10:
[82:52] Six and a half million, he should have done it.
Speaker 11:
[82:55] Good deal.
Speaker 5:
[82:56] It's like Quinn Ures when he went to, you know, go, I think he got drafted in the fifth round. He got a $4 million offer from Bill Belichick, turned it down. I mean, now, it might have been worse for him, but again, you get $4 million, better than not making much money there. Six and a half million guaranteed. Sounds pretty good, Joel.
Speaker 8:
[83:11] Yeah. I mean, one more year being an important football player, 6.5 million in Miami, you know? First of all, you're going to have a good life. You're going to have a lot of talent.
Speaker 11:
[83:21] You're going to have a good life. You're going to have fun.
Speaker 8:
[83:23] And then bro, yeah, you're going to have $6.5 million in Miami, bro. Like, I don't know where he's going to go.
Speaker 5:
[83:29] Put two million in the trust.
Speaker 11:
[83:31] Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[83:31] I don't know where he's going to go in the NFL now. He's probably going to be a late first round pick, possibly. But you know, the other thing about Todd Simpsons, holy shit, man, he's 23. I think he's 23.
Speaker 5:
[83:40] 23, but Carson Beck's 24. So one year later, you're Carson Beck's age.
Speaker 8:
[83:45] Carson Beck ain't going to be a first round draft pick.
Speaker 5:
[83:47] Well, he's going to be a third round.
Speaker 7:
[83:49] That is the only thing. The only thing is, don't you just want to go ahead and start your journey as an NFL player?
Speaker 8:
[83:54] You know, see if you can get that second contract as an NFL.
Speaker 5:
[83:57] Here we go. Oh, Billy's got thoughts.
Speaker 8:
[83:59] Oh, look at it.
Speaker 12:
[84:00] Now, can I ask you guys a question? So I was thinking about this earlier, too. So he gets a six and a half for one year, right? If he's a second round draft pick, I think he gets eight to ten over like four years, right? But if he goes to Miami, he goes into the draft next year, he's what number quarterback? Because right now, he's the second best quarterback. But if he goes into a class with Trinidad, Chambliss, Arch Manning, like where does he get more wrapped in it?
Speaker 7:
[84:24] Really good point.
Speaker 12:
[84:25] And how far down does he fall in the draft? If he doesn't kind of prove himself.
Speaker 5:
[84:30] That's true. He's probably going to go 30 this draft. Probably ended up going to the back door of the first round.
Speaker 12:
[84:36] It could just be an opportunity thing where he knows he's not going to go that high next year. So let me just get into the league and get more money guaranteed over more time.
Speaker 5:
[84:43] Also way less pressure, right? Like if you go to Miami, they pay you this money. They're like, we expect to be competing for national championships. If you're not good, everyone's like, it's your fault. Carson Beck was even good here. So I see the vision. Maybe Nick Saban was right.
Speaker 8:
[84:58] I mean, I think, I don't think that he could make a bad decision under these circumstances, but it sounds more fun, admittedly, to go to Miami on six and a half million dollars.
Speaker 5:
[85:07] It's also just more fun to be in college.
Speaker 8:
[85:09] Oh, man. He's not even going to have to go to class, really, man.
Speaker 5:
[85:13] And that leads us to our next headline, Riley Leonard, former Notre Dame quarterback and Duke quarterback back in the day. He said, quote, I'm definitely making way less with the Colts, end quote. Joel, that kind of confirms that maybe it's better to get the money in college.
Speaker 8:
[85:27] I mean, look, man, I mean, he was worth more to Notre Dame than he is to the Colts, you know, and Notre Dame is one of the biggest. And I would argue that in terms of like branding around the world or around the country, Notre Dame is a bigger brand than the Indianapolis Colts, right? It's the largest Catholic university in the world. So yeah, like you want, he definitely made a good decision going to Notre Dame. And yeah, I mean, this is why I think that older guys sticking around and playing in college football is a good thing. We're getting older, better players.
Speaker 5:
[86:00] We're making more money than they do in the NFL, which is great.
Speaker 8:
[86:03] Yeah, we're making more money than they do in the NFL. Yeah. And I mean, that's why I always just think it's sort of a crime. The Vince Youngs, the Johnny Manziels, the Andrew Lux, if they didn't get an opportunity to cash in, or Reggie Bush get to tap into all the money that they could have made in college.
Speaker 5:
[86:18] We were talking about that. We should go back at some point in the offseason and just try to figure out NIL valuations for all those guys.
Speaker 8:
[86:25] Tim Tebow, man. Imagine what Tim Tebow would have made. Tim Tebow through the roof.
Speaker 10:
[86:29] Bush through the roof.
Speaker 12:
[86:30] It's like $20 million.
Speaker 7:
[86:32] Adrian Peterson through the roof. But you know who else, though? A couple of guys that didn't pan out as much as you thought they would have. Jimmy Claussen and Matt Barkley. Guys like that would have been just ridiculously overpaid. They were so sought after.
Speaker 5:
[86:49] Yeah, I feel like Jimmy Claussen would have made $10 million to go back to Notre Dame or something.
Speaker 8:
[86:54] Oh yeah, Chris Sam's would have got, I mean, just every, or Major Applewhite would have been, he would have had the opportunity to be a millionaire as a player, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5:
[87:03] I mean, what was Cam Newton's number to go to Auburn? You know what I mean? Like it was 250,000, or at least that was what everyone said it was. It's probably closer to like 10 million. Yeah.
Speaker 8:
[87:12] No, nobody was bigger than Ricky Williams, bro. Like I remember being in Texas when he was down there. He was a man. Yeah. See, man.
Speaker 9:
[87:20] I ain't saying nothing.
Speaker 8:
[87:21] All right. You know what I'm saying? All right. Yeah. But no, I mean, yeah. Ricky Williams would have been a millionaire. He would have been a millionaire many times over in college. But again, it's just different times.
Speaker 5:
[87:35] Yeah. It's crazy. I feel like we should do that at some point. That would be fun. Next up, speaking of Notre Dame, CJ Carr apparently put on a scrimmage performance for The Ages. He had a lot of tweets. Obviously, a lot of Notre Dame media around covering one of the biggest programs, they were all coming out saying how incredible he looked, saying that it looked like he already knew the plays and the defense was drumming up. Van, I wanted to get your thoughts on how much you read into a scrimmage performance and should this be as hyped as it is?
Speaker 7:
[88:02] Look, he's a quarterback that people are putting a lot of expectation and thought into, and the only thing he could do was go out and play well. So if you play well, play well. I know that sounds like an almost non-take, but what are you supposed to make of it? It's a story if he plays bad, it's got to be a story if he plays well. If he goes out there and he's thrown against other action, and he can't make the reads, he can't make the throws, it's going to be a huge deal. If he's going out there and he's throwing on air and he's the ball spraying all over the place, it's going to be a huge deal. So by that metric, if it's going to be a huge deal if he fails, it's got to be a huge deal if he succeeds. How much Notre Dame is able to orient their offense around him this year, we'll see. But if I was an Irish fan, I would like be over the moon that you have a quarterback that people are raving about.
Speaker 5:
[88:50] What do you think about Marcus Freeman doing the magazine spread?
Speaker 7:
[88:55] Hey, that's what I mean. Look, Marcus is like, Marcus is, is he the top sexy coach of college football?
Speaker 8:
[89:05] Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 5:
[89:06] Joel, I think you're the expert here. Your thoughts?
Speaker 7:
[89:09] Yeah, Joel, what do you think?
Speaker 8:
[89:10] I don't know why I'm the expert. Let me look. Hold on. I was looking at her.
Speaker 9:
[89:14] Who is this?
Speaker 8:
[89:16] It depends on who does his haircut.
Speaker 5:
[89:18] It's a lot of hairline questions more than anything, but I don't think that matters.
Speaker 7:
[89:21] He's still the hottest though.
Speaker 8:
[89:22] Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[89:23] He's the hottest. Who's the hottest coach in college football, Joel? Give me your top three.
Speaker 8:
[89:30] I don't have a top. Give me your top three first, and then I'll do mine.
Speaker 5:
[89:33] Well, you got Freeman, obviously. He's up there.
Speaker 8:
[89:36] Okay.
Speaker 7:
[89:37] Freeman got to be in there.
Speaker 8:
[89:38] Freeman got to be in there. I'm trying to think. I kind of don't remember what dudes be looking like. You know, Bob Chesney is a much spryer, younger looking guy.
Speaker 5:
[89:49] Bob Chesney. There we go.
Speaker 8:
[89:51] Let's put him in the top three.
Speaker 7:
[89:53] Bob Chesney is in there. Bob Chesney is in there. Oh yeah. Bob Chesney. Look at Bob Chesney. Bob Chesney doing his thing.
Speaker 8:
[90:00] Bob Chesney, man.
Speaker 5:
[90:02] He's a good looking guy.
Speaker 7:
[90:02] Bob Chesney in there. So Joel, okay. That's a good call from Joel. He like him. Bob Chesney. Try to think of some of the bigger coaches. Y'all give any love to Lane Kiffin? Does he make the list? No, probably not.
Speaker 5:
[90:16] I feel like Link and Riley and Lane Kiffin want to be on the list. You know what I mean?
Speaker 7:
[90:20] Yeah, Link and Riley.
Speaker 5:
[90:22] They want to be on the list.
Speaker 8:
[90:23] Yeah, I feel like they have the situation.
Speaker 7:
[90:25] Yeah, they do. I don't feel like they quite on the list, though, for what we talking about. If we talking about Freeman and the Chesney situation. Hey, what about the young man from Arizona State? Oh, no.
Speaker 5:
[90:40] Kenny Dillingham?
Speaker 7:
[90:42] He's young. He's young.
Speaker 8:
[90:44] You like him, huh?
Speaker 10:
[90:46] You like him?
Speaker 5:
[90:47] I feel like Coach Prime would have been on the list also. I think Coach Prime would have been on the list.
Speaker 7:
[90:51] You know, Coach Prime, that's a legacy.
Speaker 8:
[90:52] He's a very handsome dude.
Speaker 7:
[90:54] He is. Handsome man. Handsome man. That's a legacy, though. That's a legacy in terms of that. I feel like there's somebody else that we miss.
Speaker 5:
[91:03] Let's reach out to the Tailgaters. Not Ryan Day. Let us know who the right answer is.
Speaker 7:
[91:09] Ryan Day is a hot boy.
Speaker 5:
[91:11] Oh, Billy.
Speaker 7:
[91:11] In terms of the nipple ring.
Speaker 12:
[91:13] Gone but not forgotten, Sharon Moore would have been on the list probably, right? No? Joel, no, bro.
Speaker 5:
[91:22] Joel, what about the brand? I think Joel's scared he could tussle with him.
Speaker 8:
[91:26] Hold on, man.
Speaker 5:
[91:27] He's got good feet. He's offensive lineman.
Speaker 7:
[91:28] I don't know, bro. I don't know, man. I'm not sure.
Speaker 12:
[91:32] No?
Speaker 8:
[91:32] I don't think so. I, you know, he got a line up in beard like a white, like he got a white wife. You know what I'm saying? He just does. That's what Marcus Freeman's problem is, you know?
Speaker 7:
[91:45] What do you mean that's what his problem is?
Speaker 8:
[91:46] A black woman would get that line shit straight a little better than what he got. They're just, cause they just don't know. They don't care.
Speaker 5:
[91:53] He's got the Jalen Brown going on a little bit again.
Speaker 7:
[91:55] Look, I went to ranker.com and I'm going to be honest with you. We got to get our bona fides, bona fides, as I say. We got two of the top three.
Speaker 8:
[92:05] Did we?
Speaker 7:
[92:05] We got Marcus Freeman and number three is Bob Chesney.
Speaker 8:
[92:09] Damn, okay.
Speaker 7:
[92:10] We got two of the top three. Some of these other guys are not head coaches. We only count head coaches. Six though, before we get off this, can I interest you guys in Dan Lanning?
Speaker 5:
[92:33] I didn't think that one. He came to mind as a coach that could be in the mix, but he's top six.
Speaker 1:
[92:39] Who's number two?
Speaker 5:
[92:40] Who's number two?
Speaker 8:
[92:41] Who's number two?
Speaker 7:
[92:43] Number six is a guy named Vic Saloto, who is the linebacker's coach at Cal.
Speaker 5:
[92:51] Who made this list, by the way?
Speaker 8:
[92:52] Really?
Speaker 7:
[92:53] This is Ringer. You never go to Ringer before?
Speaker 5:
[92:56] OK, I got you.
Speaker 8:
[92:57] What do you think about Cristobal?
Speaker 7:
[93:01] I mean, if you're into like a big bear.
Speaker 8:
[93:04] He looks like a handsome sheriff. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 12:
[93:09] What?
Speaker 8:
[93:11] He looks like a handsome sheriff.
Speaker 12:
[93:13] Like getting some chaps and stuff.
Speaker 8:
[93:16] Chaps? Is that what sheriffs wear in Florida? In Miami Dade?
Speaker 7:
[93:20] Are you Miami Dade?
Speaker 12:
[93:21] Some spurs? No. He could toss you around for sure.
Speaker 8:
[93:27] OK, you guys really, I mean.
Speaker 12:
[93:31] If you tussle Crystal Ball.
Speaker 11:
[93:32] All right, we're going to have to.
Speaker 12:
[93:35] You think you could tussle with Crystal Ball?
Speaker 8:
[93:37] Oh, of course not. I couldn't fuck with Crystal Ball. He was a former lineman, Doug. Come on.
Speaker 5:
[93:42] All right, so the top three is Freeman, Lanning and Chesney.
Speaker 7:
[93:46] Yeah, Freeman, Lanning, Chesney. Freeman seems like he's number one with a bullet, though.
Speaker 5:
[93:52] I feel like he's number one, and then there's like a huge drop off.
Speaker 7:
[93:55] Like a huge gap.
Speaker 5:
[93:56] Yeah, he's doing all right. No wonder he's doing magazine shoots. Love to see that. We mentioned Coach Prime. I wanted to get your thoughts on this, Joel, and I wanted just to hear you say our name again. Coach Prime, looking healthy and happy with Karrueche.
Speaker 8:
[94:07] Yeah, man. Karrueche.
Speaker 5:
[94:11] Say it how you say it.
Speaker 8:
[94:12] Karrueche, that's how I say it.
Speaker 5:
[94:14] No, you say it like karate chop.
Speaker 8:
[94:16] No, I didn't say it like that.
Speaker 12:
[94:17] You did like a hi-yah.
Speaker 8:
[94:19] Karrueche. Good for him.
Speaker 7:
[94:21] Karrueche is gorgeous. He looks happy. I'm happy for the health and happiness and success of Coach Prime, man.
Speaker 5:
[94:27] Yeah, man.
Speaker 8:
[94:28] Good for him, man.
Speaker 5:
[94:29] I thought that was good to see and like you said, he's supporting Jordan Tyson. It seems like he's in a good headspace. So Coach Prime, we're pulling for you here on Ringer Tailgate. We got to get Coach Prime on the show. Let him have a spaced event.
Speaker 8:
[94:41] You got his sunglasses, so we should be in there.
Speaker 5:
[94:44] Yeah, we got to reach out. I don't know. I don't think I can pull the interview, but we'll reach out to Alys and we'll see what can happen. Next story, Blue Sky experienced major outage. Dozens of users were impacted. Joel.
Speaker 7:
[94:57] Dozens. All the users.
Speaker 5:
[95:00] What was your day like when Blue Sky went down?
Speaker 8:
[95:03] I don't spend as much time on Blue Sky as you think. I'm actually-
Speaker 7:
[95:08] You turned your back on me.
Speaker 5:
[95:09] So you're not one of the dozens.
Speaker 10:
[95:10] Joel, you ain't shit, bro.
Speaker 8:
[95:11] You came over here talking about all this shit.
Speaker 7:
[95:14] I still go on Blue Sky. You turned your back on me.
Speaker 8:
[95:17] I haven't turned my back on them.
Speaker 5:
[95:18] You were skeetting everywhere in the fall.
Speaker 7:
[95:20] You were skeetting everywhere and now you don't with me anymore. You back on Twitter arguing with people every single day.
Speaker 8:
[95:25] I'm not on Twitter as much as you think. I'm on Blue Sky Twitter about as much as I used to be most of it for work. And then it's just like, well, shit, there's some people on Twitter that I still recognize and I don't see them on Blue Sky, so I interact with them. I really like Blue Sky and when I do my Saturday college football tweet rundown, I do it on Blue Sky.
Speaker 5:
[95:43] It's going to be on Blue Sky?
Speaker 8:
[95:44] That is the homer. But you know, it's kind of bringing back a feeling.
Speaker 7:
[95:48] Threads.
Speaker 8:
[95:49] Threads is bringing back 2012, 2013, 2014 Twitter, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5:
[95:54] I'm with it. People say what they want on threads.
Speaker 8:
[95:56] It's not corporate.
Speaker 7:
[95:57] People go crazy. I got dissed on threads. People be dissing me on threads. I like that.
Speaker 8:
[96:03] Do you?
Speaker 5:
[96:05] Van runs to the smoke, which we appreciate. So do you, Joel.
Speaker 8:
[96:08] Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't run from the smoke. Yeah, that's not, that's not a...
Speaker 5:
[96:11] I mean, unless it's Paul Finebaugh.
Speaker 8:
[96:13] Not my problem.
Speaker 5:
[96:14] Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[96:14] Unless it's Finebaugh or Bill or the dude that said the N-word.
Speaker 8:
[96:18] Like, Tate, do you want to have a problem with me?
Speaker 5:
[96:22] I don't understand. No, I'm just having fun.
Speaker 8:
[96:24] Okay, all right.
Speaker 5:
[96:24] I'm just having fun, Joel. We had a great start today. Bill said he wanted you to have lunch with him. I mean, it's good stuff.
Speaker 12:
[96:29] Did he say that?
Speaker 5:
[96:30] Yeah.
Speaker 12:
[96:30] Well, before you got on. Then he said he didn't like to be waiting, so.
Speaker 5:
[96:34] Yeah.
Speaker 12:
[96:34] I think he rescinded the invitation. Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 8:
[96:37] Y'all, if we's doing something, also, we gotta hurry up. This is going much longer than expected and...
Speaker 5:
[96:43] All right, we'll wrap it up right here. You got a babysitter. You got a babysitter.
Speaker 8:
[96:47] Yeah, sorry.
Speaker 5:
[96:48] Billy, go ahead.
Speaker 12:
[96:50] So, you have this reputation, Joel, being a cuck, I think, that has been established on this show. So, my question is, like, with the situation with Paul and all of that, like, you had an opportunity to come in here and watch Van and Bill do a show on your set, and you chose not to. You left. You didn't want to watch that time.
Speaker 8:
[97:12] I didn't... Okay, first of all, too far. Second of all, I did not... Oh, man, they're screaming. Look at it.
Speaker 11:
[97:20] They're screaming.
Speaker 8:
[97:22] I'm getting text messages. Anyway, no, I...
Speaker 12:
[97:27] Professionally, I mean, of course.
Speaker 8:
[97:28] Yeah. When I clicked on that fucking link, they would... I saw Bill talking. I didn't see anybody else. I'm like, oh shit, I'm on this link. Bill's talking. They must be recording. So that's why I got... I hopped out of the link, because I was like, well, shit, I don't want to be... I don't know how the Zooms work. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't know if you guys were actively recording something, it would mean that if I said something, it would mess it up or whatever. So I clicked out, you know? But no, I mean...
Speaker 11:
[97:52] You didn't say something, though.
Speaker 8:
[97:53] You guys are going to have to decide if either I fight all the time or if I don't fight all the time. You guys are gonna have to...
Speaker 7:
[98:00] No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 8:
[98:01] You guys are gonna have to settle this scenario.
Speaker 7:
[98:03] We can't even get into this, because I'm looking at the...
Speaker 10:
[98:05] Oh, oh, oh, oh, no, you're saying...
Speaker 7:
[98:06] I'm looking at the menu of publics. But next show, we'll get into this. Tate, put a pin in this. Next show, we get into this, because there's an answer here, because we'll go another 45 minutes. I know you don't want that. I'm looking at the chicken salad sandwich at publics. Oh, da-da.
Speaker 8:
[98:24] The turkey is really good.
Speaker 10:
[98:27] This public shit looks good.
Speaker 7:
[98:29] Is it crazy? They got a whole fucking menu at publics.
Speaker 8:
[98:32] The public sandwich is very popular. It's very popular in that part of the country. I didn't realize it was a very expensive one. You know what I'm saying? Then fried chicken is really good too. That goes to store smells really good when you walk in there.
Speaker 5:
[98:44] Well, I like this as kind of a cliffhanger. We need more cliffhangers on Ringer Tailgate for the next episode. Keep people hooked in. So we'll come back next week. We'll kind of go through this whole thing with Joel. We'll identify what's going on here. Shout out to everybody for tuning in to the show. Thanks to Bill Simmons for coming to the show. His first Ringer Tailgate experience. Joel's got to go deal with the babysitter. We hope everybody has a great week and we will see you all next week. Must be 21 or older and president select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and older and president DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem, call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MY-RESET. Call 1-887-897-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamlinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24-7 support in Massachusetts, or call 1-877-8HOPENY or text HOPEINY in New York. For Louisiana, call 1-877-770-7867.