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Speaker 1:
[00:00] So you're saying with Hilton Honors, I can use points for a free night stay anywhere?
Speaker 2:
[00:04] Anywhere.
Speaker 1:
[00:05] What about fancy places like the Canopy in Paris?
Speaker 3:
[00:08] Yeah, Hilton Honors, baby.
Speaker 1:
[00:10] Or relaxing sanctuaries like the Conrad and Tulum?
Speaker 4:
[00:13] Hilton Honors, baby.
Speaker 1:
[00:15] What about the five-star Waldorf Astoria in the Maldives? Are you gonna do this for all 9,000 properties?
Speaker 5:
[00:22] When you want points that can take you anywhere, anytime, it matters where you stay. Hilton, for the stay. Book your spring break now.
Speaker 6:
[00:30] Zas, you've been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 3:
[00:32] Really long, yeah.
Speaker 6:
[00:33] You're a basketball expert. I don't know how the daily loud mouthing goes for you in terms of regret. But do you feel like you already owe the NBA, not just the Lakers, but the NBA, an apology?
Speaker 3:
[00:47] I don't know why you're saying that. And this isn't the first time where it's apologized, say or sorry. That's what we have to do. If you think something's gonna happen, that's how sports is.
Speaker 6:
[00:58] But are you embarrassed? So you're not embarrassed, though? Because you had very strong...
Speaker 3:
[01:02] That's a better question.
Speaker 6:
[01:03] Well, thank you for correcting me when you've been wrong on everything you've said about basketball.
Speaker 3:
[01:08] I'm not apologizing. Who am I apologizing to?
Speaker 7:
[01:12] The fans.
Speaker 2:
[01:13] The fans.
Speaker 3:
[01:14] The league.
Speaker 2:
[01:15] For what?
Speaker 3:
[01:15] Adam Silver.
Speaker 8:
[01:16] For what? You said the NBA first round's a dud. You said that a couple days ago. And they certainly haven't been.
Speaker 3:
[01:22] That's very fair.
Speaker 8:
[01:23] Thank you.
Speaker 3:
[01:24] Okay.
Speaker 2:
[01:24] You ought to be saying hi-yo Silver.
Speaker 3:
[01:26] The first couple days were a dud. The last couple days have been good.
Speaker 6:
[01:32] Is that a Lone Ranger joke? Yes. Did you just?
Speaker 2:
[01:34] It fit like a glove.
Speaker 6:
[01:36] For Adam Silver, you just, do you guys know the joke that he was just making there? Do you guys have, I just want to have a reference point for, I have not heard the Lone Ranger joked about in a while.
Speaker 7:
[01:49] Tonto.
Speaker 9:
[01:50] I'm not gonna lie. I know the phrase hi-ho Silver. No way, but I don't know what it's from. So you're teaching me.
Speaker 2:
[01:56] Yeah, Zas has been an active and open Adam Silver critic. So now he ought to be shouting hi-ho Silver on a bended knee, as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3:
[02:06] Why? What is Adam Silver getting credit for right now?
Speaker 6:
[02:09] Why would he be doing it on a bent knee?
Speaker 2:
[02:11] Because, you know, he's on a bent knee, not Adam Silver.
Speaker 6:
[02:16] When you're saying hi-ho Silver, is that a command for a horse?
Speaker 2:
[02:20] Yes. Silver was his horse. Hi-ho Silver away. He's exhorting his horse. He didn't use a whip. He could communicate with his horse. You know, that's the way it worked back then.
Speaker 9:
[02:30] I wish they did that now.
Speaker 2:
[02:32] Yeah, they should.
Speaker 9:
[02:33] Hey, come on.
Speaker 2:
[02:34] Like jockeys on racehorses. Hey, come on, pick it up. Instead of a whip, they had to be going, hi-ho Silver away.
Speaker 3:
[02:38] When do you think we lost that ability to commute that way?
Speaker 2:
[02:41] I don't know.
Speaker 8:
[02:42] The car? The wagon?
Speaker 2:
[02:45] It could be. I don't know about that.
Speaker 9:
[02:47] I saw a guy on the highway this morning slapping his car.
Speaker 2:
[02:49] It was weird. That is weird. Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[02:53] Do you want to tell us anything more about The Lone Ranger?
Speaker 2:
[02:55] It was one of my earliest memories. I don't even know when it was on TV. Black and white goes without saying. But I remember in Tonto, you couldn't get away with this now. His sidekick was an American Indian man named Tonto.
Speaker 6:
[03:10] You couldn't get away with having a Native American on the show?
Speaker 2:
[03:13] I'm not made up like Tonto was.
Speaker 6:
[03:16] Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[03:16] I think the word Tonto means dumb, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:
[03:19] I have no idea. But he had face paint and things that worked.
Speaker 6:
[03:24] Was he Native American? Do we know if he was actually Native American?
Speaker 8:
[03:27] That other guy was Italian, right?
Speaker 2:
[03:29] Who played Tonto? I don't know that.
Speaker 8:
[03:31] The Crying Indian?
Speaker 6:
[03:32] Is that what it was? Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[03:34] Well, there's Italian cowboys.
Speaker 6:
[03:36] The other guy, the Crying Indian, was that a national commercial or was that a local commercial?
Speaker 2:
[03:42] PSA for littering.
Speaker 6:
[03:43] Okay.
Speaker 8:
[03:45] But he was Italian.
Speaker 6:
[03:47] So the Native American who was weeping in a litter commercial was Italian.
Speaker 10:
[03:54] Yeah.
Speaker 11:
[03:55] Is Tonto the same person that jumps on it?
Speaker 10:
[04:04] This is The Dan Lebatard Show with Stugotz Podcast.
Speaker 6:
[04:12] I need a clarification. Was Tonto in the old Lone Ranger series that Greg Cote just mentioned, was he actually Native American or was he Sicilian?
Speaker 7:
[04:24] Mohawk from Canada.
Speaker 2:
[04:26] Yes. Jay Silverheels.
Speaker 7:
[04:29] That's correct. That's his name. That's his actual name.
Speaker 6:
[04:31] What is real, Tony? What are the facts here? Because I have some fear when I send you to the internet in the modern age because there's a lot of stuff that cannot be trusted right now on the internet.
Speaker 7:
[04:43] I agree.
Speaker 6:
[04:43] I am afraid of the internet. I don't trust the internet. There are a whole lot of people in MAGA saying that the president of the United States staged an assassination attempt and I don't know what I'm looking at when I look at pictures. What's real and what's not real and this is only going to get worse. What is the fact regarding Tonto of the old Lone Ranger series?
Speaker 8:
[05:05] Tonto was Native American from Canada, but the Crying Indian commercial, the Keep America Beautiful commercial of littering in 1971, was portrayed by Iron Eyes Cody, who was born Espera Oscar de Corti to Sicilian immigrant parents in Louisiana, so second generation Italian American.
Speaker 6:
[05:21] That was a national commercial, the Crying Native American litter commercial. Everyone listening to this would know what I'm talking about there. There's not a generation that missed that. That's not a musty reference from the 1970s.
Speaker 8:
[05:35] No, no, it is. It's absolutely musty and cobwebbed, but it's still so iconic because he was Italian. If he was Native American, I'd be like, okay, yeah, sure, but he's Italian.
Speaker 2:
[05:47] Who made it a salad kind of guy?
Speaker 8:
[05:48] Attaboy.
Speaker 6:
[05:49] Are your catchphrases ready?
Speaker 2:
[05:50] They're always ready.
Speaker 6:
[05:53] All right, let's do it right now then. Let's not waste any more time because I was going to start with what I believe to be something that Dwyane Wade has done that I've never seen him do. I've been covering him for, it's going to be what, 2000? Okay, we're going more than 20 years. Okay. Just remember the specifics of when he was on our show every couple of weeks because he was coming up and the fame hadn't quite grabbed him yet.
Speaker 3:
[06:19] That was a big deal. You guys used to have him on a regular basis.
Speaker 6:
[06:24] No, he did a regular show, but he was also somebody at the time. I just remembered that the things that were happening around him all the time where everybody would come up to him and say, please don't change. Please don't.
Speaker 3:
[06:33] He was so sweet.
Speaker 6:
[06:34] But these words that I'm hearing him use here, they're not change, but I just want to frame it for the audience correctly. Because if you think Dwyane Wade has come to the Pat McAfee, All the Smoke Game and doesn't want to win, you don't know what Dwyane Wade is doing with this part of his career as he searches for the stuff that made him great a long time ago. These guys, when they retire, ownership ain't going to do it for him. He's got to compete. He's got to be competing against somebody in a way that's active. He wants to be very good as a broadcaster. There are good jobs in streaming right now. You see who's getting them. None of them have the credentials of Dwyane Wade. Like all these people, Blake Griffin, everybody else, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, none of them. None of them have the credentials that Dwyane Wade has. And he is here to remind you when Patrick Beverly speaks ill of him. Please remember who you're talking about here.
Speaker 12:
[07:32] And it was just taking a moment and just, I'm tired of people playing on my name a little bit. You know what I mean? Like, I understand everyone has their favorites and that's all great. We all do. But you know, you're talking to somebody within five years of his NBA career, had a Hall of Fame career. I'm just gonna let everybody else go look at what I did in five years. So, like, I don't like don't play with me. I'm not the one to play with. Like, I'm the most coolest, calmest, humblest, quietest dude about what I've done. But if we want to talk, then I can. And that was just like an overall conversation to anybody out there that like to play with my name. Like, I'm gonna go back and do my thing and go back into my life. Stop playing on my name, man, because I worked hard to build it. And I know I'm an outsider that came in out of nowhere. I get it. I get it, guys. I wasn't all nothing in high school and college. I know I came out of nowhere. Don't play with me, man. Stop playing on my name.
Speaker 6:
[08:21] I haven't seen Zaz Hymn put his card on the table that way. In fact, I've never heard anybody say it that way, that Dwyane Wade had a Hall of Fame career within five years. He's doing his own publicity there.
Speaker 3:
[08:33] He really could have just said in the first three years, because years four and five were not very helpful. But the part that is most interesting to me, and this has been going on for a long time, and for whatever reason, now has been the tipping point, where now like he's angry about it, he's annoyed with it, this has been going on for far too long, I don't know the answer to it, Dan, where for some reason, and it's not just former players, lately it's been former players, but fans, media, whatever. There is this comfort in not acknowledging how great this player was, the way that he has spoken about, the way that you've heard recently, people take shots at him for someone with his credentials and what he accomplished. It's odd to me how he keeps getting thrown into these conversations that are disrespectful to him.
Speaker 6:
[09:23] Which conversations are we talking about? Who's being disrespectful?
Speaker 3:
[09:26] It's always the Harden stuff. That, you know, it's odd, it's been six months and we've done the Wade Harden thing, let's bring it back up. That one continues to keep coming up.
Speaker 8:
[09:35] And the weird thing is, Harden hasn't won anything, right? So it's like when you put those two guys together, it's like you look at the rings, not to do the rings conversation, but you look at what Dwyane Wade has done in the playoffs, the clutch moments, the absolute killer he was versus Harden, and his conversation about the playoffs, and it's like, how can you really compare these two guys?
Speaker 3:
[09:52] If you want to talk about Harden as a-
Speaker 6:
[09:54] One of them's an MVP. I'm not caping up for James Harden here, but what's he insulted about there? Because that's him bearing his teeth. He never does that. I'm not even talking about the, my name, my name, my name. I'm talking about, he never, he has, when the janitors and everyone were saying to him, don't change, it's because they couldn't believe how humble he is. This is fact. It's not arrogance, it's fact. First five years of my career, I'm a Hall of Famer. I've never heard anyone say it that way.
Speaker 7:
[10:26] I think at a certain point, being humble only gets you so far, and I think you get to a point in your career, I think he's just over it. By the way, Dwyane Wade finals MVP. I think, though, the playing on his name, it just feels like he went on this podcast, and he really wants to pop off and be this podcaster, and maybe he's got a grand design of building up his media career, and you have to say things a little bit more effusively, and a little more braggadociously than you do when you're playing, and your game is speaking for you on the court.
Speaker 11:
[11:00] Yeah, for sure. I think people are always playing with my boy, his name, though. His statue went up, we had something to say. His kid want to be his kid, we got something to say. People are always making, for some reason, comfortable statements about Dwyane Wade, and he's had enough. I'm the same way. I don't like to brag on what I be doing, but at a certain point in time, I'm going to have to let folks know.
Speaker 6:
[11:18] Can you guys explain to me, though, who he's talking to there? I want some names on...
Speaker 11:
[11:24] Patrick Beverly. He's talking to you.
Speaker 3:
[11:26] Yeah, like most recently, he's speaking about Patrick Beverly, because he's the one who most recently did the James Harden comparison, and then Patrick Beverly started talking about, you know, I'm a better three-part... Like, Patrick Beverly started to list the things that he is better or was better at Dwyane Wade in his career.
Speaker 2:
[11:44] Well, I can see Wade being upset by that, because that's a direct, ridiculous comparison.
Speaker 6:
[11:50] I mean, he got cut from the Miami Heat.
Speaker 2:
[11:52] Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[11:52] Patrick Beverly got cut.
Speaker 11:
[11:54] He got cut from the Shanghai Sharks, or whoever he went over the seas to play with.
Speaker 6:
[11:57] I'm saying when Wade was coming through and it was his team, he couldn't make his team.
Speaker 3:
[12:02] Yeah, it was in 2010 that he'd cut him.
Speaker 2:
[12:04] But other than Patrick Beverly, is he manufacturing the idea that people are dragging his name? Because I don't hear a lot of that. The only criticism I've heard of Dwyane Wade's career, which I think is ridiculous, is that he needed Shaq to win the first ring and LeBron to win the next two. I don't think that's true.
Speaker 6:
[12:20] That's not ridiculous. He did need that help. And he got the second group of people because he was tired of not being able to do it himself and said so. Okay.
Speaker 2:
[12:28] Everybody needs help, though.
Speaker 3:
[12:30] Yeah. And if LeBron wasn't scared of JJ. Correa, Wade would have been Finals MVP again that year.
Speaker 7:
[12:35] Ron Harper was just on Cam and Mace. It is what it is last week and said without Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan wouldn't have a single ring.
Speaker 6:
[12:41] You saw that on It Is What It Is, right? Did you see Trysta almost? She was in the middle of a firestorm. A brouhaha. A brouhaha. Do you know what this story?
Speaker 2:
[12:50] Do you know what happened? No, I do not. I don't know.
Speaker 6:
[12:51] What do you know about Cam'ron? What information do you have on It Is What It Is or Trysta's career in general?
Speaker 2:
[12:57] I don't know.
Speaker 7:
[12:58] Stop playing on my name, Greg.
Speaker 2:
[12:59] See? You're dragging me into this. You're playing on my name. I'm not dragging your name.
Speaker 8:
[13:04] Greg, tell me about the purple, the pink fur, the purple tape.
Speaker 2:
[13:06] I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 8:
[13:08] The colors.
Speaker 2:
[13:08] You tell me.
Speaker 11:
[13:10] J. Uso, I'm coming for you, sucker.
Speaker 2:
[13:13] OK, I can't be involved in this conversation because I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about.
Speaker 6:
[13:19] So Cam'ron, do you know the podcast It Is What It Is?
Speaker 2:
[13:22] No.
Speaker 6:
[13:23] It is fun, it's different, and Trysta is occasionally hosting.
Speaker 2:
[13:27] Excellent. Good.
Speaker 6:
[13:28] And a fight broke out with one of their hosts.
Speaker 2:
[13:32] A physical fight?
Speaker 6:
[13:33] Yeah, he was attacked. Cam'ron isn't, you know, I don't think people generally want to beef with him, but a professional wrestler took him out and Trysta was nearby. Was it dangerous for you?
Speaker 7:
[13:46] No, I was ready to squabble, but I was afraid that I was going to jump on the pile and it was going to hurt my guy Cam'ron. By the way, I heard on two separate occasions, once from Cam, also once from Carl, that you actually started Cam'ron's sports media career, Dan.
Speaker 6:
[14:02] I have no knowledge of that.
Speaker 2:
[14:04] What?
Speaker 6:
[14:05] Somebody will have to explain to me.
Speaker 7:
[14:06] He was on Highly Questionable and it was his first time of anyone taking him seriously to talk about sports and not rap. You were the catalyst, you were the LeBron James to the Brawny James of Cam'ron.
Speaker 8:
[14:20] Good job.
Speaker 2:
[14:20] Well done.
Speaker 8:
[14:22] Launch your careers.
Speaker 6:
[14:22] It's a good podcast.
Speaker 9:
[14:23] He's in your tree.
Speaker 6:
[14:25] I would not have taken credit for him, because I did not know that that was something that had sprouted from our tree. I was not aware of that. Thank you. That's flattering. But there was no danger to you, no harm to you or your career, because nobody, I've never been in the middle of something like that.
Speaker 3:
[14:39] Do you want to, Greg, would you like to see what happened? Because Trysta was standing on a table.
Speaker 2:
[14:45] Yeah, I would like to see it, because I want to be sure that it's a legit beef and not contrived.
Speaker 6:
[14:51] What?
Speaker 3:
[14:52] Because, well, can you set it up, Trysta? Can you set up what happened here?
Speaker 7:
[14:56] I can set it up.
Speaker 6:
[14:57] This guy is a menace. This is a professional wrestler. It's not going to be contrived.
Speaker 7:
[15:01] So we had an interview, and from moment one, there was about a 17, 18-minute interview, and I could tell right away this thing was going to go left. Talk about planning on somebody's name. I don't mean to sprinkle some hate on my guy Cam'ron, because I ride for him 10 toes down, but he was clearly playing on Jey Uso's name the whole time. Just kind of- Disrespectful. Very disrespectful, just kind of subtle digs. Didn't really want to be there, didn't want Jey Uso to be there. I was trying to break the ice, trying to really keep the mood light, and it turned into a little bit of a melee.
Speaker 13:
[15:40] Listen, Mace, I don't actually have any more questions. Nick, I'm more mad at you, because you keep bringing Saturday WrestleMania shits here, and you don't bring us a Sunday WrestleMania. Say less Cam, I ain't gotta be here. I'm talking to my producer, bro. He bringing Sunday, I need a Sunday WrestleMania. I don't smell what the Uso's cooking. And at the end...
Speaker 11:
[16:11] Be true, be true, be true.
Speaker 13:
[16:14] It's awesome.
Speaker 2:
[16:15] That's great.
Speaker 6:
[16:16] So what is the problem?
Speaker 14:
[16:18] Welcome back to It Is What It Is.
Speaker 6:
[16:21] What is the problem, Cody? What is your assessment is what now after having seen it and after a segment in which we're talking about, you can't trust the Internet?
Speaker 2:
[16:29] I loved it. It looks real as rain. I got nothing wrong to say about that. It's also great for the podcast. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 7:
[16:38] We did about 50 million views on those clips.
Speaker 2:
[16:40] Of course, but it looks real.
Speaker 9:
[16:42] It's called It Is What It Is, not Don't Get Me Wrong.
Speaker 8:
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Speaker 4:
[19:24] Hey Roy buddy, you know that energy shift when the game gets good and everybody all together in unison knows to stand up on their feet?
Speaker 12:
[19:33] Oh absolutely Mike.
Speaker 4:
[19:34] Yeah, you've been at many big time sporting events. You know that moment quite well. That's what it's like when you take your first sip of Cuervo.
Speaker 12:
[19:41] Oh delicious.
Speaker 4:
[19:42] It's the signal that says we're not checking the time anymore pal. It's when small talk turns into stories. Cuervo man, it's that high five or random stranger effect. That's right. The game is popping. You're hugging people you never met before. That's the kind of energy that Cuervo brings. It's so smooth, so delicious. That's the Cuervo effect. Keep it Cuervo.
Speaker 10:
[20:06] Dan LeBatard.
Speaker 11:
[20:08] Doesn't matter. Anywhere. We could do it in Buffalo or Baltimore.
Speaker 4:
[20:11] Eva.
Speaker 11:
[20:11] He said you could do it where? Anywhere.
Speaker 10:
[20:14] Oh, whoa.
Speaker 11:
[20:15] Oh, that's crazy.
Speaker 4:
[20:16] That's crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 10:
[20:18] He said he could do it anywhere.
Speaker 11:
[20:21] That's crazy, Murda. Murda, tell him.
Speaker 10:
[20:25] Stugotz.
Speaker 4:
[20:27] I had no idea Meen had that in his locker. That might be his best. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 11:
[20:32] That's crazy, killer. It's too America's Dance.
Speaker 10:
[20:35] You don't get it? This is The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz.
Speaker 6:
[20:48] I was jealous at what a good idea it was. When I saw it, I'm like, why didn't we do that with the MMA guy?
Speaker 8:
[20:56] Because that guy would really kill us.
Speaker 11:
[20:58] He wouldn't have stopped. He would have kept punching you. Nobody could pull you off.
Speaker 9:
[21:01] We should have set that up for you and him, though.
Speaker 14:
[21:02] That would have been fun.
Speaker 6:
[21:03] Yeah, I would have, that would have been wonderful. As performance art, I was jealous of the idea.
Speaker 14:
[21:09] The Dan's gonna push you.
Speaker 6:
[21:11] The Dwyane Wade thing, though, Zaslow, we've talked before about when these guys are done with their playing careers, especially the guys that played at the heights that Dwyane Wade played, okay? There is nothing that replaces that in retirement, nothing that will ever come close, nothing that feels like any of that. You will spend the rest of your life chasing something that you will never again get close to. Many of these guys are addicted to competition, addicted to it. That's how you get that good at it. And so in his post career, I don't think Dwyane Wade will be satisfied by being an owner for the Utah Jazz. Like these guys are now competing in that stratosphere. You know, Brady owns a team. They're all creating media companies. They want to play big because there's a real media opportunity now if you have a certain name. By pedigree, Dwyane Wade is as good as anybody who tries broadcasting. Like, the greatest players do not become the broadcasters. It's still shocking to me to see Vince Carter, Carmelo and Tracy McGrady. And they're not quite on the tier with Dwyane Wade, even though I guess we'd make an argument for McGrady because they're very similar players. But still, what he is as a broadcaster has more credentials than anyone speaking about him. Just about, right? Maybe Shaq, maybe Barclay, but there just aren't very many.
Speaker 9:
[22:38] But it's more about credentials. Like, I think Wade on air, he did the Olympic Games, he did, I think he had a stint with one studio show, and he's been fine. I don't think he stands out as a broadcaster.
Speaker 3:
[22:50] I think so far he has stood out depending on who he is next to.
Speaker 6:
[22:54] That's correct. That's exactly right. When he was with Stan, you saw it. When he was with Stan Van Gundy on Prime, everyone saw it. Look, these are funny and interesting ingredients. All of them, OK? I watched Blake Griffin and I'm like, that dude's really funny. God almighty. Is that a starched fit for him? Trying to fit inside of... They got him Steve Nash for some chemistry, but trying to fit inside of... Well, there's Dirk over there doing the show in his second language, and he's a huge star. And that's why he's there, because we're going to just throw names at this, and we don't care if they're good broadcasters. Blake is stifled, like obviously stifled. That guy could be a stand-up comedian, and there's just not room on that show to move around. Dwyane Wade has never been good at the broadcasting, like real scintillating, fascinating quote as a talker, none of that stuff. But he's intent on being good at it. He knows that you have to study it. It's important for him to be good at it, and then have the chances where, oh, that felt different working with Stan. Look at all the praise I'm getting. Everyone told me how good that was, and it's just because he's comfortable and trusts the guy next to him that they're going to throw the ball back and forth safely, because you're not going to embarrass me on television, especially Dwyane Wade cannot have the confidence for broadcasting that he has for basketball. It's not possible, and so he wants to be good at it, but this right here is just him pissed off. Like even, if we play this back, you will hear, okay? He walks it back almost immediately, because it's not his nature to have to remind everyone how good he is, but he feels the need to remind them because he thinks they forgot.
Speaker 12:
[24:24] And it was just taking a moment and I'm tired of people playing on my name a little bit. You know what I mean? Like I understand everyone has their favorites, and that's all great. We all do. But you're talking to somebody within five years of his NBA career, had a Hall of Fame career. I'm just going to let everybody else go look at what I did in five years. And so like don't play with me. I'm not the one to play with. Like I'm the most coolest, calmest, humblest, quietest dude about what I've done. But if we want to talk, then I can. And that was just like an overall conversation to anybody out there that liked to play with my name. Like I'm going to go back and do my thing and go back into my life. Just stop playing on my name, man, because I worked hard to build it. And I know I'm an outsider that came in out of nowhere. I get it. I get it, guys. I wasn't all nothing in high school and college. And I know I came out of nowhere, but don't play with me, man. Stop playing with my name.
Speaker 2:
[25:14] I see a guy who at this point in his life does more than want to still compete. This is a guy who still wants to spotlight, who still wants to be relevant and doesn't want to fade because owners compete, but owners tend to be background. And he wants to still be out front and more power to him. He deserves to be.
Speaker 3:
[25:33] This conversation has been going on for a long time with the Wade Harding comparison. Something that there was a tipping point clearly recently. I know Trysta is saying, oh, well, maybe he wants to get out there in the podcast game. I think it's less than that. I think there, I think the difference here is he doesn't like that Pat Beverly said it. I think it's very clear that for whatever reason, he does, like Pat Beverly is talking about Dwyane Wade is my guy, you know, whatever. Clearly, Dwyane Wade doesn't feel the same way. I think he's annoyed that Pat Beverly stuck his nose into it. 100%.
Speaker 7:
[26:09] Was Pat Beverly a highly or a more highly lauded high school player than Dwyane Wade out of Chicago? Because I feel like Pat Beverly was.
Speaker 3:
[26:19] Oh, maybe it comes a little bit from there. I mean, he was an undrafted free agent rookie with the Heat. He didn't make the team, went overseas, came back into the league, but I didn't realize the Chicago part of it.
Speaker 8:
[26:30] In the clip, you hear him say, like, I'm gonna go back to my life. So I don't know if it's as much as like an outward thing of like, I want to get in this game as much as like, I'm gonna step out of my personal life and all the things that I got going on to come out and say what I got to say because everybody's playing on my name. And I'm gonna go back to living my great life over here in ownership and money and family and all this stuff. And you guys are just gonna know, this is how I stand on it.
Speaker 9:
[26:50] Pat Beverly was a four-star recruit ranked as high as 59th overall prospect at one point.
Speaker 6:
[26:56] The Chicago thing is always interesting because guys from Chicago do proudly compete about Chicago basketball. But there were a couple of things you guys said there that I would dispute and want to pick apart. First of all, Cody's saying owners compete. They do, but what athletes get is daily applause for what they're doing. That's what podcasts do. Owners have to wait till the end of the season with a whole lot of grinding and shadows to find out if they won, and he's Utah. They've got a long way to go. Whatever competing is there, maybe he'll get to it one day. It doesn't feed the furnace that requires the daily. Some of these guys like sparks and fights, like they miss the physical contact of Dwyane Wade says, if I hadn't got injured, I was thinking about being Michael Jordan. Like if my body hadn't betrayed me, that's the way Dwyane Wade was thinking about himself. I believe he needs something post-career that feeds the identity, when he's already in the history of having to remind people what his name was, and tell them the specifics of, do you know what it took to build this name? I was not highly recruited. I was not somebody in college who was groomed for this. I went to Marquette and I earned it because everyone saw in the tournament, holy shit, as an individual player, he can do it by himself. He gets drafted with Bosch and then has a Hall of Fame career and didn't actually need anything other than Avery Johnson, never stopping the doubling of Shaq and the worst officiated series of all time. To cement his name.
Speaker 8:
[28:31] That's neither here nor there. You don't have to talk about the refereeing.
Speaker 3:
[28:34] Remember going into that series? Everybody is going to see what a great defender Josh Howard is. That was the story going in. And Wade looked like Michael Jordan.
Speaker 11:
[28:45] I was just like Dwyane Wade when I started because I've been doing this sports thing for a little while now. And so some folks in the music industry have been playing on my names and I was dead. So that's why you can catch Blue Flame right now available on iTunes.
Speaker 6:
[28:57] How did that just happen?
Speaker 11:
[28:59] That's professional.
Speaker 9:
[29:01] I didn't notice it. What did he do?
Speaker 8:
[29:02] School of Amino Hassan.
Speaker 6:
[29:03] That was not professional. Roy. What? No, Guy don't want to learn, Guy don't want to earn. Guy wants to earn without learning.
Speaker 9:
[29:10] Speaking of which.
Speaker 6:
[29:11] What was that? That was Juju speaking only to get that promo off. You got to be more subtle than that.
Speaker 9:
[29:17] So seamless. I didn't even notice.
Speaker 3:
[29:19] I thought it was slick.
Speaker 2:
[29:19] Subtly is overrated.
Speaker 8:
[29:20] I thought he was dead.
Speaker 6:
[29:22] How? You can't throw a music promo in the first 30 minutes of the show that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. That is the second time you've compared yourself to Dwyane Wade in this segment.
Speaker 7:
[29:33] Also people playing with my name because people are saying that Cam'ron and or Mace and Mace ghost wrote for me, which did not happen. I write all my own lyrics. That's all I have to say about that.
Speaker 6:
[29:46] I don't understand the defiance that's happening around here.
Speaker 3:
[29:49] She's doing it too. She's now promoting her own music. Another music promo.
Speaker 2:
[29:51] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[29:52] That's what she just did.
Speaker 2:
[29:53] That's exactly what she did. If you like me talking about the great Cody Show podcast, you just don't do that. You know, there's a place to promote yourself, but it's not here. It's somebody else's show.
Speaker 6:
[30:03] Go ahead and play it.
Speaker 7:
[31:25] Geo Blazers reference. C.
Speaker 6:
[31:38] Damn.
Speaker 2:
[31:39] Very nice.
Speaker 6:
[31:40] Cody's Shoulders Moved, which is the highest compliment there is in hip hop.
Speaker 2:
[31:45] That was great. It was fantastic. I love the Cassius Clay and Marciano.
Speaker 6:
[31:49] Your glasses are smoking. Your glasses are on fire.
Speaker 2:
[31:53] And that rap was smoking as well.
Speaker 7:
[31:55] Man, you're a real fan of lyrics. I appreciate you really keying in on some pieces.
Speaker 2:
[31:59] Oh, yeah. I love that.
Speaker 7:
[32:01] Universe is Undefeated.
Speaker 2:
[32:02] That was super good. I enjoyed that.
Speaker 6:
[32:04] He especially liked Marciano. A shout out to his time in boxing.
Speaker 2:
[32:10] Yeah.
Speaker 9:
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Speaker 2:
[34:45] Dan LeBatard A woman who was out swimming with her friends is believed to have been swallowed whole by a 13-foot shark without any of her friends noticing. That's the weirdest part about that story. You're swimming with friends, you're having a good time, and then all of a sudden people are looking around and go where's Shelly? Like nobody screamed.
Speaker 14:
[35:05] Every friend group has a Shelly though that if they go missing because a shark ate them whole you wouldn't notice. Classic Shelly. Exactly right.
Speaker 10:
[35:13] Stugotz.
Speaker 2:
[35:14] She went quietly apparently. If I'm swallowed whole by a shark you're gonna know it.
Speaker 10:
[35:18] This is The Dan Lebatard Show with Stugotz.
Speaker 6:
[35:30] I wanted to talk about something that happened the other day that I saw, that I wanted to ask you guys about, because we talked a while ago at last baseball All-Star game. Jacob Mizorowski, everybody was complaining because he'd pitch like seven games or something, and he was just throwing in the All-Star game because he throws everything 104 miles an hour. He hit Kyle Stowers on the hand with a pitch that was 102 miles an hour. Now, Stowers, you okay there, Zas?
Speaker 3:
[35:57] Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[35:58] What happened there with the microphone? Why couldn't you do that quietly? What happened where you decided?
Speaker 3:
[36:02] I mean, I have no control if the microphone is going to be loud when I move it.
Speaker 6:
[36:06] You're a professional who's been doing this for 25 years. That's something that-
Speaker 2:
[36:11] I mean, the others, they all learn from me.
Speaker 7:
[36:14] Do you have like a nick on your neck? Is your neck bleeding?
Speaker 3:
[36:18] Come on. Really?
Speaker 2:
[36:22] I noticed it.
Speaker 3:
[36:22] We didn't get all this out of the way yesterday.
Speaker 2:
[36:25] I wasn't here.
Speaker 3:
[36:25] We're doing this again.
Speaker 7:
[36:26] I wasn't here yesterday. I was on a plane. I didn't see the show. Is that a nick on your neck?
Speaker 6:
[36:30] Yes.
Speaker 11:
[36:31] Is it a knife fight?
Speaker 2:
[36:33] Nick, Nick, Bobik.
Speaker 3:
[36:35] Shaving.
Speaker 11:
[36:38] Steal a lot of stubble.
Speaker 6:
[36:40] What is the Nick, Nick, Bobik?
Speaker 2:
[36:42] It's a sexy song. The Name Game. Nick, Nick, Bobik. Banana, Banna, Bo-Fick. Me, my, Mo-Mick.
Speaker 14:
[36:49] I can't even keep up with him.
Speaker 9:
[36:54] As soon as I get this one, he drops it. Now I got to go find another old song.
Speaker 2:
[36:57] The Name Game. Shirley Bassey, I think? Who's got me on that? Shirley Bassey, right?
Speaker 6:
[37:04] You can't be serious. You cannot be serious right now.
Speaker 2:
[37:08] It's called The Name Game.
Speaker 6:
[37:09] No. You can't be serious throwing it into that room with your eyes smoking from what Trysta just did and ask them a question that they're not going to have the answer to because I'm not joking when I say, what you just said to that room might as well have been said in Mandarin for the way that they understood what you were asking them for.
Speaker 2:
[37:28] But you just proved that the beauty of rap lyrics is that sometimes you go way back. So in your next rap, you got to work in Nick Nick Bobik. It's going to be perfect.
Speaker 7:
[37:38] I might.
Speaker 2:
[37:39] There you go. I'm going to be listening for it. Shirley Ellis. Shirley Ellis. The first name. It's been a long time.
Speaker 6:
[37:47] All right. Do me the favor, Chris, please because I'm assuming we don't have a back in my day.
Speaker 2:
[37:53] It's in the incubator still. You know, the NFL Draft, you haven't mentioned the NFL Draft yet. It's actually a big thing this week in sports. That's occupied my time most of the last several days.
Speaker 6:
[38:05] Okay. But because you don't have a back in my day, I want the music for Back in My Day and just off the cuff, please, tell us the story that you want to tell us about what this song is from whenever it is this song was.
Speaker 2:
[38:18] The Name Game, I think was popular in the very early 60s. I could be out by a couple of years, but I was a young boy and I remember driving. My dad and my mom were driving in their car. I think he had a 1957 Chevy Bel Air at the time. They're in the front. I'm in the back. I don't know where Uncle Dick was because I was alone in the car with them. But The Name Game came on the radio and it was my favorite song at the time. So I'm singing along with The Name Game and my parents had such a thing.
Speaker 6:
[38:51] And what is the name game? Rosanna, Bobanna?
Speaker 2:
[38:54] Yeah, that song, right? Nick, Nick, Bobick. And so I'm singing that. My parents are delighted and my dad was distracted and he ran into another car. This was right in front of a royal castle on, where was it? Was it Bird Road? We were definitely in Miami. I have no recollection. I think at the time we were still living with Uncle Buddy in Miami. That's why we were in that area.
Speaker 6:
[39:17] There's an Uncle Buddy? When did Uncle Buddy, I didn't know there was an Uncle Buddy.
Speaker 9:
[39:21] I've never heard of Uncle Buddy before.
Speaker 6:
[39:24] I'm learning during this back in my day.
Speaker 2:
[39:26] Uncle Buddy was famous for being divorced and then remarrying the same woman. And right there.
Speaker 9:
[39:33] Even in that day, you think he would just be married and do his thing.
Speaker 2:
[39:37] Yeah, no, they got divorced and then remarried. But there was a thing, a river right near the house where we lived and I remember my mother walking and in the river were dozens of dead cats. And that's the thing I definitely know.
Speaker 8:
[39:52] Rivers around Bird Road. Just want to let you know. Okay, then then the canal maybe.
Speaker 2:
[39:56] Okay, the house was we're just skipping over the dead cat part. Yeah, we don't know. It's a mystery.
Speaker 8:
[40:01] There's no rivers in Westchester.
Speaker 13:
[40:03] What does this have to do with the name game?
Speaker 2:
[40:05] Well, because I'm saying I'm cooked in just a thing. You know that that was the time. That was the time we were living in Miami. And we were driving the Royal Castle. It was in the background.
Speaker 6:
[40:17] You mentioned those details, yes.
Speaker 2:
[40:18] And so that's it.
Speaker 6:
[40:19] Zaslow, what are your thoughts here? You're looking at him. What it feels like with judgment.
Speaker 3:
[40:26] I'm befuddled with this story. What does it have to do with what we're talking about? Uncle Bud?
Speaker 2:
[40:32] What were we talking about?
Speaker 3:
[40:34] Uncle Bud?
Speaker 11:
[40:34] Rest in Power.
Speaker 2:
[40:35] Uncle Buddy. Nobody called him Bud. Come on.
Speaker 9:
[40:38] It should have been Bud.
Speaker 2:
[40:38] Uncle Buddy is my mother's brother. My mother had a sister and a brother.
Speaker 9:
[40:45] Ruth Doogie.
Speaker 2:
[40:46] Auntie Arlene, Ruth Doogie, Arlene Doogie, Buddy Doogie. And they're all gone now. Long gone, as a matter of fact. That's the way life works. Anyway, you can stop that music now. I'm done with my story.
Speaker 6:
[41:09] Okay, so, The Name Game.
Speaker 2:
[41:11] Shirley Hellas.
Speaker 6:
[41:12] I can't, congratulations, Trysta, on the compliment. There's never been one like it in the history of hip hop. He gave you a shoulder shrug. I was dancing a little while you rapped and compared you to The Name Game, which makes him think of all of the dead cats that were in the river that doesn't exist in Miami that he's talking about.
Speaker 2:
[41:33] Feel free to use that imagery in your next rap as well.
Speaker 7:
[41:36] Music is a portal and it transported you right back to Uncle Buddy.
Speaker 6:
[41:41] As I was saying, Kyle Stowers is in the batter spot.
Speaker 2:
[41:45] Oh yeah.
Speaker 12:
[41:47] Oh, talking baseball.
Speaker 2:
[41:48] That story.
Speaker 3:
[41:48] Were the cats floating?
Speaker 2:
[41:50] They were visible. My mom was traumatized. She was never a cat person but she comes back to the house and reports that she'd just seen dozens, dozens of dead cats. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 9:
[42:02] She never had a driver's license though.
Speaker 2:
[42:04] No, she never drove.
Speaker 9:
[42:05] How was she driving?
Speaker 2:
[42:06] She wasn't driving. She was walking. The river was right near Uncle Buddy's house.
Speaker 11:
[42:11] Is Doogie a middle name or is it tradition?
Speaker 2:
[42:14] No, it's a surname. D-H-O-O-G-E. Weird name, right?
Speaker 11:
[42:20] I thought it was banter.
Speaker 2:
[42:21] Like Doogie Howser type thing. Yeah. That kind of thing. Yeah, that kind of thing. Well said.
Speaker 9:
[42:26] Number seven.
Speaker 2:
[42:27] Anyway, how's Stower doing?
Speaker 6:
[42:29] So he's in the batter's box and the pitch that hits him on the hand, on the fingers, if it had been the fat of the hand, I'm guessing his hands explode. But just being the fingers.
Speaker 9:
[42:41] Maybe not explode.
Speaker 6:
[42:41] But well, I just, when I think of pain in that sport, I've told you before that the greatest pain was a catcher who had a fractured testicle. That seems like it would be the worst. But this is second for me and it's why, it's basically why I stopped playing baseball. I'm going to tell you the short story, but David Salisbury ended up being like a high school shot putting champion, just bigger than all the other kids. I'm already a little bit afraid of the ball. I go, he's wild, but he throws harder than anybody in the league and he hits me on the right elbow as I'm coming out of the batter's box, like trying to get out of the way, he hits me on the right elbow and it hurts.
Speaker 2:
[43:16] You rub it?
Speaker 6:
[43:17] Yeah, of course. I'm not Don Baylor. I'm not walking to first base.
Speaker 8:
[43:21] Did your mom kiss it after?
Speaker 2:
[43:22] Put a little dirt on it?
Speaker 6:
[43:24] No. My worst fears had come true, but I didn't even dream my next fears because I've got a very small lead off of first base. I'm not going anywhere. I'm not, but he tries to pick me off and hits me again on the elbow as I'm diving back into the bench.
Speaker 9:
[43:41] Now you got a charge.
Speaker 2:
[43:43] If you didn't have a big lead, you wouldn't have had to dive.
Speaker 9:
[43:45] That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking the same thing.
Speaker 6:
[43:46] Anyway, 102 miles an hour on the fingers, that strikes me as I'm always talking casually about football players. Do you know how weird it is that we watch that game on Sunday, nobody's ever thinking about the guy who gets his fingers caught between two helmets trying to make a tackle because the broken fingers are nothing for those people. You pop them back in and you get back out there. But in baseball, 102 miles an hour hitting you on the hand, I would think that that would leave the kind of pain that you feel later in life because you did something very bad to your hand one time and the trauma of that was such. I would think that would be pain that you feel in some ways the rest of your life. Do I have that wrong? Because I'm afraid. I always thought before that the worst of the pains would be like you foul the ball into your ankle. But I think that's the one in baseball I fear the most.
Speaker 3:
[44:41] I just have a hard time believing that the pitcher is going to throw to first if you don't have a real lead.
Speaker 2:
[44:46] Yeah. His story broke apart there a little bit.
Speaker 9:
[44:50] The craziest part about this Stowers thing also is that it's his first is bad of the season. He was injured all season, comes back first at bat, takes 102 to the hand.
Speaker 2:
[44:57] Yeah.
Speaker 7:
[44:58] Are they playing with your name right now, Dan?
Speaker 9:
[45:00] They are a little bit.
Speaker 11:
[45:01] I think they are.
Speaker 6:
[45:02] Why would I be making up the story of David Salisbury?
Speaker 2:
[45:05] You said you had a very small lead, which to me implies you're a foot off the bag, and then in the next breath you're saying you dove back.
Speaker 3:
[45:12] Small lead, you probably don't have to dive back. You could just step back.
Speaker 9:
[45:16] It would look really awkward, I'd say, diving back from really close to the bat.
Speaker 3:
[45:19] Yeah, did you overshoot the bag?
Speaker 2:
[45:24] He called out out of the baseline. He went all the way into the dugout.
Speaker 9:
[45:27] His hands like near the first base coach, his feet's like on the bag.
Speaker 3:
[45:30] Maybe that's why you got hit.
Speaker 2:
[45:32] You got injured sliding into the home dugout.
Speaker 6:
[45:42] I put my foot on the bag as I reached for the first base. You know what, that is what derailed my athletic career, just no spatial awareness. Like, did you just snort?
Speaker 2:
[45:55] I did, yeah. I'm a snorter.
Speaker 6:
[45:58] That is a winning segment. When I learn about my friend, an uncle buddy I did not know that existed, and a sound his body could not make.
Speaker 3:
[46:08] Dozens of cats, dozens, dozens.
Speaker 4:
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