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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Yeah, should I take it a day at a time and stay off my phone? But the internet is a very scary place to be. Amanda has taken like a big brunt of all of this too, which I just wish if people had shit to talk, they could deliver it to me. Like for example, her number got leaked, I don't know how that happened, and someone messaged her and called her a home wrecking whore, which I found to be obviously inappropriate, can't talk like that to people, but it's also not true.

Speaker 2:
[00:48] Welcome back to another episode here at Everyone's Business But Mine with me, Kara Berry. Talking Summer House, I guess you'll know whether or not I ended up ranting and raving for entirely too long in the news and headlines portion of Summer House, because now we have to have a built-in segment now, to a recap. You'll know if this is a part one and part two, but for now, I'm hoping that we can just make it, because I know it's going to be part two. I'm really going to try not to, but I'm just like... This is Kara from having watched the episode via a screener, but not having taken the notes for it yet. And given how I viewed it and the faces that I could tell my muscles were formulating as I was watching it, we might be in three parts. I'm so thoroughly annoyed and disgusted. But I guess let's start our segment. Our That's What You Missed on Glee in Terms of Summer House, News and Headlines. Lord in Heaven. Let's start with a Section 1A. Can I Get a Hell Yeah? Goes to Ciara for two things. One, there were some sources that went to Us Weekly. I heard through the grapevine that these are very, very credible sources. Went to Us Weekly to say where Ciara's head's at in the midst of all of this chaos. It says, quote, Ciara has told friends that they, if they are Amanda and West really in love, she will accept it and she's going to take the high road. Also Ciara confirmed fully willing to come back to the Hamptons, back to the Summer House, try to find a way to move past it. If Amanda and West are the real deal, she does not want to get in the way of real love. It goes on to say at the same time, Ciara feels like they would need to get married, because losing so much over a quote unquote situationship isn't worth it for anyone. If it's just a flame, she isn't going to forgive them, and she believes it will all be for nothing and not worth all the pain and emotions that everyone has gone through. No one in the cast is talking to West right now. Went on to say that Lindsay and Kyle are the only ones speaking to Amanda. I think Lindsay being one of them is deeply interesting to me, because they weren't really getting along historically. Historically, they are not friends, so very interesting. And then, shout out to Glamour Magazine. The following day, our girl gets a cover story, Ciara Miller versus The Mess, several gorgeous photos. I mean, she's a model, we cannot be surprised. But yeah, a beautiful article written by Hunter Harris, and they really got into it. I think it was great, and I think it was a perfect companion to that article from sources, right? So here's, I honestly would suggest that you read the whole thing. But I posted some highlights on Instagram, and I'm going to refer to these to get into it. The question is, between West and Amanda, who were you closer to? So Iris is definitely Amanda, but I feel like because West and I were working on a relationship, and because we're exes, sometimes you spin the block, sometimes you land in situations where you guys are out, and I feel like there's room to do that if you're ex. I do feel like I was closer to Amanda at that particular time, but I also know she probably wasn't going to come to my birthday dinner just because you know the role with her. She wants to be invited, but she doesn't necessarily want to come, which is fine because I'm totally the same way. I appreciate the invite, but I don't want to go. But then Hunter asks Ciara was West at this birthday dinner, and she says, I invited him and he came. I felt like we were trying to move in a more positive direction since we hadn't spoken to each other in two years. I felt like we were actually starting to be friends again. And we had a lot of conversations about like, okay, what do I need from you? What do you need from me? What are some of the boundaries that we want to keep in place? What's going to make our friendship a lot easier? One of those boundaries was no more sleeping with people on Bravo. Obviously, now that's out the window, but at the end of the day, we were genuine friends, which I think is what made it so hurtful when everything kind of went south. And why I needed to take time after. The questions get a little bit juicier. Did you get a heads up that West and Amanda planned to post that statement on Instagram confirming their relationship? Less than 24 hours, she says. One notification, I can imagine it was West, was probably about 45 minutes before. Did you get to read it ahead of time and what did you think? She says, I read it with the rest of the world. There's something about the lack of being able to say each other's names in the statement that I found very telling, but I don't know. Oh, well, put a pin in that for later. Then the question is, who do you feel like has portrayed you more, West or Amanda? At the end of the day, a guy is a guy. Whether or not West and I are working on a relationship, you just can't put anything past a man. But I just never would think that it would come from someone like Amanda, who's been what has felt like in my circle and in my corner for so long. I think that's the craziest part. So that same day, these two dummies, Amanda and West, are spotted at a Yankees game. Now I know that there have been a lot of conspiracy theories, but I heard earlier that day that they were going to the Yankees game. And this was like hours after the Glamour magazine cover dropped. But this was clearly information that had been had before the magazine drop. So I don't think that they intentionally did that specific thing to like counteract the magazine. That being said, it's entirely possible that they had some sort of inkling that this magazine was going to drop. And maybe that. I don't know. There was so much footage of these two at the Yankee game, like Zapruder film. People were all around that stadium, including the cameramen. Actually supposed to be watching people in the stands, and they were locked. Locked in on Kyle and Amanda, which I find very interesting, because we do have to remember. I keep saying Kyle. See, I heard it. West and Amanda, gosh, I wonder if that ever happens with her. You ever think that Amanda has ever called her West Kyle? I wonder. Anyway, the people have been reading lips. Apparently, they spotted Amanda saying, act like you like me. There have been moments where West was hooting and hollering in the stands, and she's grabbing the back of his pants to get him to settle down or stop calling attention to himself. Not unlike what she did in her previous relationship, marriage. Current marriage. Previous relationship, I guess. I will say everything about them interacting gave me the Ick, but like Ick squared. Like there's an Ick that's just the cringe factor, like ugh, secondhand embarrassment thing. But this was like more sinister. And I don't know, I just have to listen to my body. And my body saw those pictures of them and the videos of them kissing and just photos of them in general being together as a couple. And I thought, ugh, PU., I don't want to see it. I don't want to see people posting about spotting them out in the city. Just because personally, it just makes me uncomfortable. And I can't explain it. Maybe I'm in too deep. But I just like I don't I don't want to see it. I really just don't. There has been a little blip of tea. It seems like Kyle may have gotten his groove back with none other than former Real Housewife of Orange County, Megan King Edmonds. For some reason, she was in the city. There was a Page Six party in which a bunch of Bravo Labs reality TV stars pulled up Kyle being one of them, Megan being another, and Kyle, God bless. Somebody had their Zoom real tight on their phone from across the street, spotting Kyle and Megan in the East Village, and Kyle cooks high heels on his tippies with his hands on Megan's shoulders because she's a tall woman, and I don't know if he was trying to level the playing field or what, but they kiss. Was it giving ultimately romantic, horny fuck vibes? No, but it was a kiss on the mouth, which must have been something, right? Random. To be honest with you, I have zero opinion on that. I was frankly thrilled that Kyle was with anybody in their 40s. I, you know, I never trust a man to date, you know, less than 10 years within his age range after a major relationship or honestly any relationship once they reach the age of 40 plus. So that's, that's, that was good. I was happy about that. If you guys have seen headlines about Megan King Edmonds in the past several years, you would know that things are really not great for her. So I just, I don't think Kyle should be taking that on. I don't think Megan should be taking this on. So maybe we just leave it on that on Avenue A, First Avenue, wherever you were. Just leave it there. Okay, let's get into West's strategically planned, highly monetized, sponsored by Arby's podcast clip in which he finally speaks out about his feelings on this whole situation and the mess that he's created. Spoiler alert, he don't give a fuck, okay? Not one under the guise of having his hands up in a hoodie, like he's fucking Ariana Grande during her Pete Davidson era, which does make sense because wasn't there some overlap? Oh, let me not say overlap with Cassie David, Larry David's daughter. Like she had to find out, oh, you guys are together? Wow, the parallels are not lost on me. And then they were walking around New York in oversized clothes and pajamas. Just walking around downtown. Anyway, this clip had to be, I don't know, a minute. I got two hours worth of rage. I'm gonna let the chopper spray. We're gonna try and tie it up. It's gonna do a tight 15. Maybe. Maybe. We'll see. So we start with his Maga Barbie. Literally, that is her nickname. Asking West about his feelings. Probably the only person willing to publicly do so. So think about that. And by the way, like these people, I just got to say, like, okay, I understand West and Amanda cannot live in a hole. You guys want to hang out in some of those popular places around people who you know are going to photograph you? These wack, wack ass bars that are barely for people over the age of like 27. So I don't know why you guys want to want to be there anyway, but whatever. If that's your prerogative, fine. Because I'm not going to be at those bars anyway. So great. Go to places that I wouldn't go to. Go to the Yankees game. Okay. Fine. My thing is, if you're a friend of these two, and I think I said this when we did the emergency episode, Me and Sam, anybody who's willing to like openly hang out with these two people who are clearly trying to seek attention, a loser, automatic loser stamp of loser dome to me. The L is right on your chest, like a scarlet letter. I just feel like something about that is deeply weird. And like, I'm not saying you shouldn't be friends with Wes and Amanda. I would not make that decision. But I also would be like, girl, how about you come over? How about we do something a little bit more private? I just like the idea. Because you, as the friend, know that people are going to be taking pictures. It's just weird to me. Anyway, let's get into this podcast thing. I mean, truly, this is a, to a T, this is not just a man who is not capable of taking responsibility. This is a man who is fully operating in white supremacy. Everything that he did in this video is like proof, proof, proof positive. He does not care about Ciara as a black woman. That is not something that factors in to his life or his thinking at all. And subconsciously, he has now come to protect Amanda, woman who we've all been saying has been protected for quite some time, is infantilized, is somebody that like cowers under. I have to go. Despite the fact that you guys literally never see me outside and I'm always going to bed at like 1030, suddenly for my mental health, I have to go to a place that sells pickle back shots. Okay. And I just don't want to hear anything. But please, in the back of my mind, after I've done that shot, I'm constantly thinking about how heavy things are with something that happened recently. I don't really care to get into it. But this man, it just like goes bar for bar. Victimizing himself by talking about at the very beginning how the Internet is a very, very scary place. Not so scary that your girlfriend said that she had to get on it for her mental health, but okay. Amanda's taking the brunt of the irer. And it really should be him. But then he brings up a text message that somehow he doesn't know how this happened, but somebody leaked Amanda's phone number and she got a message calling her a home wrecking whore, which is completely unacceptable. And this is the part that really pissed me the fuck off because this is now a pattern of behavior of West doing this. And I said this when a TMZ article dropped, and now I know that it was West. I know, I know that he did that because in that article, or maybe it was page 6, I don't know, but it was some piece of media from sources that were saying that things like there have been instances where West has been spotted having simple fan interactions and they are being interpreted as though these are love interests of his and that couldn't be further from the truth. But no mention of the fact that there have been credible sources saying that he and Ciara were hooking up at the same time that he was doing whatever the fuck with Amanda, that he had a whole ass girlfriend who he shouted out on what happens live and then we're going right over to and I said that I know I was screaming about this at the time on the podcast saying why the hell would he bring that up I had never even heard anything about these simple fan interactions then being interpreted incorrectly and then he did it again I looked to see if anybody said anything about knowing about Amanda Batula's phone number being leaked as many hours that I have dedicated and as many hours that I have not dedicated because the algorithm just feeds me Amanda and West content I know I'm not on reddit but I have seen dozens of people who were like I'm so far down in these skimanda if you want to call it that trenches and I had heard nothing about her phone number being leaked if her phone number had gotten leaked people would know they wouldn't necessarily have the phone number but they would know the phone number had gotten leaked you're telling me a celebrity reality star who's in a really bad ways phone number was leaked in one one person text message one person one okay West let me just not dig in your ass and just be kind of reasonable for a second if this happened and I don't feel like it did wouldn't you think God only one person has reached out maybe just maybe this one person is somebody who has somehow obtained access to Amanda's phone number through somebody who like knows Amanda like somebody in her circle or somebody who's gotten it probably gave it to that one person and they got messy we all know because we're adults that finding somebody's phone number you don't know and saying things like that is highly inappropriate. Duh. Duh, stupid. But did anybody know about that? No, because it likely didn't even happen. It's not like her number went around and this was a whole thing. It's not like it was if it had been posted anywhere at all to where somebody who would contact her directly would leak it. All of us know. How do none of us know this? Her phone number got leaked but nobody's heard this information until West said it. Weird. But it's another pattern of behavior of West bringing up extreme examples of bad behavior to then be like, well, now you guys all need to calm down. This is really not fair. It's gotten too far and it's not okay. The internet is so scary. Bitch, shut the fuck up. You're on that internet, that very, very scary place. You made it very clear that you know all the conversation that's been had. So why is there no comment about the racial aspect of this? Why would there be no comment about? Because if somebody had suggested, thousands of people had suggested that my behavior towards somebody was coded in racism, and Mr. I'm liberal, everybody loves me even though I look like a cowboy, that would be the first fucking thing that I would clear up. I would say, listen, there's not a whole lot I can say right now, but one thing that I will stand on is the fact that I am not a racist. I would not do things, would I believe him? No, but at least he would have gotten ahead of the story. And while this man is on Summer House, making sure everybody knows that he had spent the past 18 to 24 months being the best possible man that he could be so as not to rock the boat and upset terrifying woman Ciara Miller, not at any point has he thought to redirect a conversation with regard to, hey guys, don't be racist towards Ciara, no protection for her. But here we are protecting Amanda because one person may be text messaged her. Every single human being that has offered valid critique and constructive criticism about West knows damn well you shouldn't be text messaging people. So why don't we talk about something that actually matters and that actually happened? And then he goes on to continue to fuck himself up and drop more hints about the actual timeline of them getting together in a way that he clearly thought was going to save him and it didn't because like pretty much instantly everybody was like, hey, but what about those five things that you and Amanda said that blows this whole timeline into the water? And at the very least makes it sound really stupid. The thing that he most seems adamant about addressing is that everyone was single and that there was no overlap with anybody. And that things got serious really about February. So half of us who read that were like, or listened to that were like, okay, what about Amanda doing that article that explained her side of the timeline, which is that she moved out of her shared home with Kyle in November around BravoCon. They made the decision to separate but agreed to not see other people. This is a direct quote. I moved out in November. We were separated but agreed to not see other people. The plan was to date each other, work on our relationship, and take some space. But that space made us realize, well, maybe we want more space. And that separation should be permanent. So they announced the separation January 19th. And I quote, there has been a lot of speculation that we broke up before Summer House Season 10 started filming and that we had been separated for months, blah, blah, blah. But honest to God, we came to the decision to divorce a few days before we posted the announcement on our Instagram on January 19th, 2026. We were on FaceTime talking about us and I said I wanted to put out a statement about our relationship. And that's when we decided to officially separate. We were also on FaceTime when we both posted our statements a few days later. It was a sad moment, but also a relief. And I'm really happy we did it together. West was probably in the bathroom, not taking a showy. So let's say I'll even give you January 14th. You guys decide we got to end it, go from send it to end it. A few days later, January 19th, you're like, okay, let's let the people know. Then we find out when they announced their togetherness, they arrested Amanda on March 31st, that Barstool Sports Day Portnoy was like, oh, this is old news. This shit was told to me by Chicken Fry back at the Superbowl. So we're talking three weeks? You're telling me that y'all went from zero to serious in three weeks. Who also did that? Was it Ben and you and Jesse and Amanda were crashing out about that? How the hell did that happen in that matter of three weeks? Surely that could not be the case. Huh. Interesting. Also, Brianna Chickenfry, I saw a clip talking about her, I guess, side in this. I don't know. She also seemed to be somebody who wanted us to feel bad for her. I don't know. She was going on and on about how Dave blew up her spot, and she wasn't going to tell us publicly. She wasn't going to tell the public that she knew West and Amanda were serious, but she was just like gossiping to a friend, but then one faded day he goes on Twitter and blows up the timeline, and she said, I almost quit Barstool that day. And I'm thinking, girl, what I know about Dave Portnoy, of all the possible things and reasons why you should have run screaming for Barstool years ago, him spilling tea that you spilled tea, was the thing that was like, you know what, let me separate from this guy. That was it? Okay. Now, I have not said this publicly, but I have it on pretty good authority that West started telling people about this in January. So I don't know what he's talking about. Was this January 20th? Was this? Okay. Based on what I know, and I know I'm being deeply annoying, I can't get into it. But I have a feeling that again, this is a little bit more like a scandal in the sense that things probably started heating up towards the end of last year. And then they got to January and were like, you know what, I feel like January was when they stopped giving a fuck. That's what I'll say. But I think it definitely happened fall of last year. What else do we have to say? Oh, West did also say that he has sent some text messages from the cast and he hasn't gotten responses yet, which is to be expected. But the hardest part for him is knowing that his actions have hurt people he cares about. Who those people are couldn't tell you because he doesn't say. But I guess we can narrow it down to someone on Summer House because he wants to know or wants to let us know that the reunion is coming up. I think it's on Thursday, I think, maybe Friday. And he can give those apologies face to face. Given how he apologized this episode, it's going to be face to the side of your face, I guess. Face to profile. Who knows if we're actually going to make any sort of eye contact. That seems to be a real difficult thing for you. He's such a loser. KJ, who's been very active on threads, by the way. Anytime something happens, just go over to KJ's threads and within the hour, you can expect some kind of response from him. He says, I'm checking my text messages, but I never received anything. Interesting. So me already confirmed that West reached out to her to apologize for lying. You didn't reach out to KJ at all? Something about that is very strange to me. So now I want to know who did West reach out to? Because if everybody got messages except for KJ, that's deeply, deeply weird. I feel like Carl hates West. Every time they ask him about it, he won't even say his name. So maybe KJ and maybe Carl have not gotten text messages that would not be surprising to me. They're also the two men, well, with the exception of Kyle, but he had to say something to Kyle, who really have been in Ciara's corner. So it actually would not be surprising to me that he would not reach out to the two men, who might, again, he's got a real thing with being allergic to accountability. So yeah, I guess we are going to have to make this a two-part. I have not, Watch What Happens Live has not aired yet. So Carl is supposed to be on tonight. We're going to talk about what happens on Watch What Happens Live. So the magic of editing. I'll be back with you guys in just a second.

Speaker 3:
[29:37] He's a good person, I think, and I'm hoping that he can clear things up at the reunion for people.

Speaker 2:
[29:42] Have you given him advice?

Speaker 3:
[29:45] Yeah, like I think he should take accountability. I think he's going to be combative at the reunion, but I think he should really like hear people and apologize and go from there.

Speaker 2:
[29:55] You think he's going to be combative?

Speaker 3:
[29:57] That's interesting. Well, he thinks that people have the timeline all messed up and that it's two single people, and I'll let him speak for himself, but.

Speaker 2:
[30:08] And through the magic of editing, we are back. I said Carl was going to be on Watch What Happens Live. Perhaps, almost certainly, that was wishful thinking on my part, unless they made a last-minute change. Turns out it was Jesse Solomon. He was in the chair with Kristen Cavallari, and Jesse had a lot of things to say. I thought it was interesting, and I think we really had to listen to Jesse to pick up what that man was putting down. I saw a lot of people saying, like, I believe him now more than I did previously because I don't believe Jesse to be a good liar, or it felt like he was being honest, but I feel like I was really listening to him. And there were some lines that needed to be read in between. So we're going to get into it. So interesting to me that we're now in Reunion Week, like the reunion is about to happen in a couple of days. And so this line of questioning actually kind of concerns me about what the hell is going to happen at the reunion. Because there was no, you know, typically when a Bravo Liberty is, first of all, usually they're don't come to the clubhouse the week of the reunion, unless it's like after, right? The line of questioning was so thorough. It's surprising to me that they wouldn't have played a little bit more coy, but like we went, we ran through the whole gamut with Jesse. Like I couldn't think of a question about this unless we really try to pin him down on a timeline. Because he was a real slippery dick about that. I don't really know how many more questions we could ask him. There are some things that he said that I think maybe I would like to follow up on, if we have time at the reunion. But for the most part, like we went through basically the whole receipts proof timeline screenshots for, from Jesse's perspective, Jesse's version. Amanda Scamanda, Jesse's version. So, and also like, do you mind if I say with you, Jesse, now that this has happened, what are we going to talk about with regard to your season? Because you've been a real sleeper cell after the Ciara stuff, and what are we going to ask you now about that other than like, that's crazy, right? Crazy that you had such a reaction put upon you by West, and now here we are. Wild, right? And he's going to be like, yeah, it's like really crazy. And then, you know, like, okay. What has happened to him since? Baby, you're about to be at the end of that couch, and I hope you know that. I do have an idea for how we can implement Jesse Solomon, and this is a shocking comment for me. I know that. I think under these conditions, I'm willing to let Jesse Solomon perform one song, two verses, one verse, and a chorus, and then maybe we'll get a bridge, and then we'll do the chorus again. I will allow him to perform at the reunion if, like Drew Sedora did with Ralph, how many reunions ago was that? Like two, where they were all wearing blue, and she performed a song about their relationship right to his face, and then as the lyrics went on and on, people were realizing, like Candy and Andy, Sheree I think was there at the time, like, oh, this is about Ralph. This is awkward. I would like to see that. Let's just complete the euphoria comparisons, just do a full circle moment where West and Amanda look at each other and like, is this fucking song about us? Yeah, it is. Okay, so let's get into the line of questioning. Andy asked right out the gate, what jumped out to you as, like something that might be a little bit gnarly in 2020, like knowing everything we know now. Jesse says it was tough to see Amanda and Ciara's bed in the very beginning of the episode and see how close they were. It was tough to see the conversation at the end of the episode between West and Ciara and seeing them become best friends again. So we get to like the work the polls segment, where they're doing, you know, like you get to go to www.watchwhathappenslive.com or whatever and answer questions. The answer I thought was interesting. The question being, do you feel like West's attempts to talk to Ciara were genuine in the episode? Jesse's wording is what caught me. He said, I think he really wanted to fix things. It's been a long time of her being super upset with him, so they need to squash the beef. But I'm not hearing anything about, like, sorry. I think he's right. I think fix things is exactly what West tries to do, like fix his image, fix his reputation, fix his ability to do whatever the fuck he wants with no, you know, sort of consequence and just like smooth things over. I personally believe now more than ever that West has gone from full, I mean, admitted in the episode, Resentment, that it's just like, you know, resentment can only brew for so long before it goes, you know, it takes a slow train to hate, but then it goes from local to express at some point. And I think we're at the last stop here. It is truly what is worth. Like, West found the closest possible person to Ciara. Like, okay, I'm not going to be able to, like, fuck her mom. So maybe I can find somebody in the category of, like, somebody who definitely, when I pop out with this person, is going to devastate Ciara to her core. Because he is clearly the guy who, rather than breaking up with you, will just, like, give you, pass the baton to you by just being evil. And so he'll just, like, find worse and worse things to do so that eventually you're like, oh my god, I'm gonna break up with him. All this time, as we see, because he keeps fucking bringing it up, he's been squirreling away every month that he has been good, and been nice, and tried to be cool to Ciara. And when that time comes, he's going to be like, you guys, I have, like, 18 to 23 months of, like, good behavior. So that should make up for every horrible thing that I've done to get out of this relationship, rather than just be like a normal human being and an adult and a man. So, unfortunately, he has tried to take all of his little nets to the morality bank, and they're like, we don't accept this form of currency. And he's mad, because he's got a bunch, you know, but it's just like a child, you know, like when you were a kid and you made your own cash, you just like got strips of paper and a pen, and you tried to mimic the dollar. And then that's just like the money that you passed around. That's like, you know, like, if I took that to an actual bank, I would be like, you're crazy. And so we're looking at him with these nuts of like, oh, I've been a good boy when he's been been like, I'm so scared of her. Please somebody help me. I can't talk to her. I can't do anything with her. And they're like, what the fuck is this? This is not a good human being. And he's furious. And because Ciara, as a human being, and her humanity means absolutely nothing to us, he will never understand that these little wack ass attempts at like trying to be a good person aren't going to work for him. I'm sure it has before. But like, this is a different thing because we know that West is a clout chasing clown. And Ciara has fucked up the bag with regard to him like being cool or whatever. And that's another layer to this. Like, he like on a national level. And that's all he wanted to be is like, he was like the good boy that everybody loved for like a good, I don't know, I would say nine weeks, nine to 14 weeks. And then I'm like, oh, he had a good run with a chunk of people, but not enough. Because I left that boat. I left the good ship Lollipop real early. Right as soon as I found out how he was playing and talking about breaking up with Ciara, I was like, something about the same, right? And let me tell you, there were moments where I doubted myself. I'm like, Kara, are you just being a hater to this man? Maybe he's a good person. Maybe we should chill out. Being a hater will always work out in my favor anyway. Never wrong, just early. It just really irks my soul that this man only thinks about moving forward with Ciara in terms of optics and getting any perceived pressure off of him. Not in terms of, there's no thought process into what she's actually upset about. It's actually insane. Anyway, the next question is, do you think anything happened between West and Amanda last summer? And he's like, well, I really hope not. Okay, that feels like a very lawyer answer. We all hope not. Do you think? Yes or no, babe? And he just says, you know, it's easy to look back, you know, hindsight's 2020, but he doesn't think they were. But that man has a very expressive face and he wasn't selling me. Then he asks, what did you think about West little podcast? He kind of drives to act like he didn't watch it, but then he admits, like, yeah, I saw it. He straight up says, I think for him to have waited that long and like, that was the announcement, which like wasn't particularly ground breaking, but A for effort. I would say not give an F for that. Then they ask, when did you first know about West and Amanda hooking up? Jesse says, I had my suspicions, but I didn't know until they made their joint statement, because they both denied it to my face multiple times. So then, thank God, Kristen pops in and is like, okay, but when did you start to suspect something? He says, late February, early March. But after the statement was released, Amanda texted Jesse apologizing, saying, sorry, I lied to you. I feel like every time they ask him about the timeline, he's trying to stick to the one that they are putting out, not the one that he knows in his heart to actually be true, the real one. So that's interesting. Every time they asked him about the timeline, he's looking around like, what did they say? But Jesse did say that West has apologized, but the trust between them is a little broken. I feel like Jesse does not fuck with this man anymore, and great, I'm happy to see it. I'm thrilled when men hold other men accountable in the form of like, okay, we're actually not going to have a friendship anymore because that's rare. Like men really do stick beside each other, like little bosom buddies. Like they'll kind of hold you accountable, and then be like, you know, but I love you, man. You know, like you're actually a good guy, and they never will actually like hold a hard boundary. Like they're talking about March Madness or whatever the next week. The Schwartz like behavior, you know, the Schwartz jumps out. I think, you know, it probably also helps that none of the other guys seem to be fucking with West, clearly not KJ, obviously not Kyle. That's too right off the bat. Kara won't even say his name anytime they ask him in an interview about the situation. He won't even say the man's name. So that feels like three. Sometimes this is a rare moment where male group think, I'm actually here for it. Continue. You know what, Jesse Solomon, if you hold the line in support of your homegirl, black woman, Ciara Miller, and I like, you know what, fuck this friendship. It's not really worth it due to the way you mistreated her. I'll stream all of your songs, every single three of them. I actually don't know how many he has. I can do five tops, but I will do five. I can commit to five. You have my word? No shade. But that truly would be asking a lot of me. So take that into consideration as we walk into that reunion, sir. So then Andy asks about Jesse being in the comment section because people were like, girl, stop lying. We know that you knew about this for a long time. He said, I have the receipts to prove that I'm innocent, Jesse Solomon innocent. So Andy asks, what were those receipts? He alludes to a text message from Amanda apologizing and saying, I'm sorry that we sat for two hours and I lied about the whole situation. Now, Dumois caught Jesse and Amanda in one of those COVID igloos that they put at restaurants. Having this conversation that people were like, oh, that seemed like weird and heated. I'm assuming this was that conversation that they had down at the seaport. Girl, this was, I think, early March. So then, Andy asks Jesse, have you been in communication with Ciara since this whole thing went down? He says, we, me and Ciara, were both suspicious leading up to things being confirmed. So we had been in touch. And she was telling me, wait for the reunion, but then everything came out. So now I can reveal my tea, because I've been sitting on this for a while. Here's my thing. This is like gonna be my downfall. Is that like, I like to keep the tea close to the best, so that I can continue to get the tea, because I want the tea, even if I can't give it to you. So there have been a lot of things that I've been quiet about. And I, you know, other people break news, and then they get clout for that. And it's like, well, you know, that's fine, I guess. But I had heard that Ciara, and this was from a very trusted source, was going to drop this bombshell at the reunion. Like, not say anything. Here's the other thing. I had also heard that, like, Ciara had been suspicious and had been asking Amanda about this. And suddenly, Amanda, like, went incommunicado, pretty much leading up to this, like, oh, hey, girl, well, here's what happened. Like, and like right before they dropped the statement to all of us, she was like, oh, well, here's the thing. But like before that had, like, basically not been speaking to her. So in the midst of all that, I think Ciara had been, like, gathering up some receipts and was like, oh, I got you, bitch. And I'm gonna come to the reunion and lay them out, like Angie Kay with her scroll. Now, then I heard that, I mean, obviously, they made the announcement, they got ahead of it, so she wasn't able to, like, surprise them. But I am also told that somebody talked her out of it anyway. So I'm not sure, like, whether or not she was actually going to do this. That somebody is a good friend of hers, I'll say that, but I won't say who. But a friend, a friend we're all familiar with. And don't be DMing me asking me who, okay, I don't want to see Nan text message. With all due respect, I posted a thread a few weeks ago that said I was gagged about something that happened, and I've never gotten so many, my phone blew the fuck up, with people trying to figure out what it was. I'm still not going to tell you, but what I can say is that I'm still gagged, and I'm very excited, and coming soon. Okay, coming soon. Another clarification for those who did see that, I think people thought this was like, oh, messy information that was going to be dropped. No, it's not that. But it's still gag worthy, in my opinion. All right, so then Andy asks Jesse, when did you suspect something began? He doesn't really want to answer, he's like rolling his eyes, and he says, late February, Andrew. So then he says, like most people after seeing Wes and Amanda at the Yankees game, Kyle has gotten more and more upset and angry, which I love. There in the bits of all this was a TMZ article that dropped, and this, I guess, was like, I don't know, maybe the week after they posted the announcement, and after Kyle did that interview that was like 15-minute long on the sidewalk with the dogs barking and shitting on the sidewalk. The TMZ article dropped, there was a portion of it that just really made me laugh because the source said that Kyle kept saying that he was not upset about this, and then he keeps going back over and over again. And it's like he's on a loop. And just the fact that they would word it that way in the article really cracked me up because clearly that's exactly what was happening. Like he keeps being like, I'm not mad, but hey, hold on, but then, what about this one point again? Like how many times had he been doing that? I think the exact phrase he used was like he keeps harping on it. That's crazy. So then Jesse gets asked about whether or not he knows if West was dating other people over the fall and winter. And all he can say is, well, rumors have been proven to be true, but hopefully they're not all true. Girl. Now, this is the answer that I know has to be an absolute lie because I know that there's no possible way that y'all were going to BravoCon and doing press for this show and that little slut wasn't looking at you and telling you about all the girls he was hanging out with. No possible way. And then the big bomb drop of how West and Amanda damn dear almost got caught, did get caught, but almost got caught for real for real. So Andy asked, what was like one example of what made you suspicious about West and Amanda? Jesse says there was a lot of flirting. But then one day, late February, the guys go to brunch. Ben, Jesse, West, Kyle, KJ was not there. And then after they ended their boys brunch, West went out to a second brunch with Amanda, but didn't tell anybody. And so, Kyle and Jesse were hanging out and going to different bars and found them at a bar together. Now, the internet sleuths has found the matching outfit from West, from Boys Day to a picture that was posted on one of West or Amanda's Instagram of them that same day and he's pouring her a glass of wine and she's looking very happy. And the look on her face, not to dig too deep, but I know she's about to or she's just been effed, if you know what I mean. And that's really crazy, bro. Like you hanging out with your mate and then doing a little sneaky like with his missus and getting caught. And I want to know like, what did they say? How did they play that? Did you think it was like super weird? Did you and Kyle talk about this afterwards? Did you tell Ciara? Like I had seven follow up questions. Obviously other people were there because somebody took a picture of them. It's very clear to me that they love a little group date to hide the fact that they were actually the two together. Because I had completely forgotten about this video. There was, I think Chicken Fry had posted this on her Instagram stories. It was her, West Amanda and some other dude. And Amanda is walking with the other dude and Brianna is walking with West. And Amanda turns around and she looks at the camera and goes, hard launch but nobody knows it yet. And this is like early March. And then the camera kind of turns towards West and he's like, girl. Messy, that's like flagrant, messy, mean shit. And also, this is so crazy. But I haven't really seen this video floating around. But clearly, this is something recent where obviously this is West's apartment. He had clearly come from being outside with these two random chicks. They're recording a TikTok, like posing or doing whatever the fuck, being posers. And Amanda comes out wearing his Montana State half-zip. Clearly, like, realizing like, are there girls here? Like, caught, caught completely off guard. He very quickly deleted it, but it's a really weird video. Like, girl, isn't this the thing? This is like way more flagrant than what Kyle was doing. You were mad that he would be out and like, out again and then out again. And then you didn't even know if he was with bitches, but he's bringing them to the crib and not even telling you seemingly. Because you look really off guard, genuinely. And they're like, no girl, like, get in the video. And she like, is like, haha. Maybe I'll post it, see if y'all can see. But truly imagine being holed up in the apartment of the boyfriend that you're not even really allowed to love out loud because everybody's got 7 million jokes about what a trash bag you two are. And then you're like, oh, I'm just going to, like, wear his sweater, be in his bed, wait for him to get home. And he gets home and he's doing the robot with two 23 year old girls in crop tops and many leather skirts. Girl, this is what you blew up your whole life for and your career and your reputation. All right. All right. Let's end this. There's an after show question about West and Jesse's conversation in the pool where Jesse was like asking permission to make out with Ciara in the beginning of the season and West was like, hey, so I don't think this is weird, but KJ and Ben do, like, what do you think about them thinking it's weird that you asked me to make out with Ciara? And Jesse says, well, it's just like a little frustrating that he would call me out for trying to pursue a girl that he dated like two years ago. And now he's hooking up with our friend's wife. So I just don't really know how Jesse and West really could come back from this. Like he does say, I believe him to be a good person. He says, he's a good person, I think. We're talking about the guy who sat on the floor with me when I thought I had cancer again. He's a good person, I think. I'm hoping he can clear things up for people. But then Andy asks, have you given West any advice heading into the reunion? And he said, I mean, I told him, I think you should take accountability, but I think he's going to be combative and I think he just needs to really hear people. And apologize and go from there. So Andy is like, well, what do you mean by combative? And he says, well, West thinks that people have the timeline messed up and the two single people thing. I don't know. I'm going to let him speak for himself. Oh my god. This is what has been gooping me since this shit has been confirmed. What the hell were these two going to do at the reunion? What was the strategy? What was the plan? And now, how many days before they filmed the reunion, he drops his podcast clip that showed clearly there was no kind of strategy that made any sense and was not rooted in complete victimization of himself and Amanda. And I don't see how that is going to change by like tomorrow. So, that's really wild, that's really wild, that's so wild. They're going to walk up there like, this really could be an open book test. Like, there are so many people online, because I know you guys are digging through the trenches of all of your comments, who have like walked them through how you should handle this. And I think they're literally just going to do like nothing. Oh my god. Okay, well good luck, babe. Where does one get a torch? Bed Bath and Beyond? How do I? Like, if I just wanted to take it to the West Village, it's not really that far from me. Since he wants people to put more of the pressure on him and not Amanda, I can do that. Nobody's tarring and feathering these days, you know? Anyway, thank you guys so much for listening. Thank me for speaking. Love you. Bye.