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Speaker 1:
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Speaker 1:
[00:28] Here is the Under The Hood Show Podcast. Thank you very much for listening.

Speaker 3:
[00:32] This is Under The Hood.

Speaker 1:
[00:34] Welcome to the Under The Hood Show. We are glad to have you with us. Russ Evans is here to answer your automotive questions.

Speaker 4:
[00:40] Thanks for joining us Under The Hood.

Speaker 1:
[00:41] Shannon Nordstrom is here to do the same.

Speaker 2:
[00:43] Welcome hoodies. Thanks for tuning in so we can help you tune up.

Speaker 1:
[00:47] I'm Chris Carter here to answer your calls at 866-594-4150. Got some calls coming in. We'll get to those. I maybe have some questions for you, Shannon.

Speaker 2:
[00:59] What?

Speaker 1:
[00:59] Just, you know, just questions. I'll just leave it at that.

Speaker 2:
[01:03] However you want to approach it, I'm here for you.

Speaker 1:
[01:06] Don't get nervous. They're fine. They're fine questions.

Speaker 2:
[01:08] I don't get nervous very often.

Speaker 1:
[01:10] Let's talk to Jeff. You're on the Under The Hood Show. Jeff, what can we do for you?

Speaker 5:
[01:16] Hi. We were looking at a 2011 Honda Accord for my daughter, and I noticed during a cold startup, it had kind of a metallic rattle for about two seconds, and then went away. And I didn't know if that was anything serious.

Speaker 2:
[01:39] How many miles are on this said Honda Accord you're looking at?

Speaker 5:
[01:44] About 94,000.

Speaker 2:
[01:47] Which is quite low miles actually for that age.

Speaker 4:
[01:51] Perfect time for a worn timing chain and tensioner. And then it quits. Yeah. Very common on these. Heard all the time, Accords, CRVs, a lot of other engines too, GMs will do it, but these vehicles, famous for that. That oil, the maintenance on them is imperative on all engines now. The oil quality is not the quality it used to be. They charge more for it, you get less. It just, you just got to do those oil changes. So the repair for this, if this is the problem, which it probably is, if it was just a loud quick rattle and then it quit after a couple seconds, that's not going to be an exhaust shield or something like that. That's typically the timing chain and everything. You got to replace the timing chain. They make a component kit, which is all of it. The chain, the tensioners, the idlers are the... All of it. Everything under there for the timing set. Yeah, that is made. And we don't have a partner that sells those. So we, you know, there's not one we can recommend, but there are some very good quality ones out there. Cloyes makes one, different companies, but we replace all that in there, and then it fixes the problem. If you let it go too long and the tensioner fails completely, it can destroy the engine when the timing jumps. So you would want to fix it. But it is something that you need to use as negotiating power. A lot of times they only make that noise if the car sat for over five or six hours. So you absolutely must if you're, you know, if you start the car like first start of the day and you know, sit down the street with binoculars and watch, make sure they're not remote starting that car just before you get there and shutting it off because it could still be cold, but it'll quiet it down and people know that. And I think they they try that, you know, it's not very nice, but yeah, if you started up on that first start of the day, you'll hear it. And I mean, if it were, if I was going to purchase one of these cars, or one that has this issue that I know about, I would go as far as if I was purchasing it from a car lot myself to, I'm going to listen to it. And if they don't let me take it home and drive it like overnight, I'm going to say, look, I understand as is no warranty, but the one thing I'm going to stipulate is if I take this car home and it sits overnight and I start it and it rattles, you're going to replace these parts. And if they're not willing to do that, they know something's wrong with it because if they know it's fine, they're going to be like, oh, no, it's fine. It's like, but I have to come back to you within 24 hours and tell you, tomorrow morning when I start it, if it rattles, you're fixing it. And if they say no, then you know they're covering it up. If they say, oh, that's no problem because we've been starting in the morning, it's been great. So it's a big thing. And I say that because it's not really cheap. It could cost you a couple thousand bucks to have that done on your own. So you're going to want them to do it.

Speaker 2:
[05:03] I'm going to go just a little different route here, just to ask a couple of questions. Do you know the history of the car at all?

Speaker 5:
[05:12] Not really. No, I guess he said it came from New Jersey originally, but I really don't know anything about it.

Speaker 2:
[05:21] Okay. Well, the reason I ask, I mean, you're talking, you take a 2011 car, you're talking about a car that's 16, 17 years old, 15, 16 years old, and it's only got 91,000 miles on it. It has seen a lot of short trips, most likely. And there could be a lot of just gunk inside that engine. And it could be affecting oil flow at early startup. And you can get some of that. It's an overhead cam engine. It should be pretty quiet to start with. If you're starting to get noise from the top end that's not from these chains, which is common, it could be related to just an engine that has just... Sometimes low mileage is not as good as you'd think.

Speaker 4:
[06:07] Justice Brothers Oil System Cleaner. Put that in there before you change the oil. Run it about 10 minutes. Have the oil changed. A lot of professional shops are where you're going to find that product so they would do it as they're doing, like we do in our shop, when it's time for an oil change. It never hurts an old engine to keep it clean.

Speaker 2:
[06:25] And you just hope that it hasn't been so dirty. If this is, there again, we're totally speculating. We're not touching this car. But if it's that dirty inside, and it's just kind of causing that premature noise because it's just not getting lubrication right away, you can turn that around. But if it's been doing that for a while, there's wear happening when it makes that noise. And so yes, be concerned a little bit. And I think Russ gave you some good advice to consider. And maybe pull the valve cover, pull the filler cap off and see what things look like inside. There's a baffle you can't always see inside, but the real clue would be pulling the valve cover off and see what it looks like, but you probably can't do that on your used vehicle inspection. I hope we didn't scare you because a Honda Accord of that age with that miles is a product that's going to sell quickly by the attraction of being a low mileage Honda Accord.

Speaker 4:
[07:24] And with great fuel mileage.

Speaker 2:
[07:26] Yeah, and it's going to bring a premium price with that low miles, but you're very right. You don't want to buy at a premium price because it's a 92,000 mile 2011 Accord and then have an extended problem.

Speaker 4:
[07:39] So if it is just timing change, you buy it at the regular price that everybody else would pay, and you spend the money and have that done, because it's not hurting the rest of the engine. It's just that part that you're going to throw away and replace with a new part.

Speaker 2:
[07:52] One last question.

Speaker 5:
[07:53] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[07:53] One last question, Jeff. When you heard the noise, were you with the representative for the company looking at the car at the same time?

Speaker 5:
[08:04] No, he wasn't out there at the time.

Speaker 2:
[08:05] Okay. All right. Did you ask him about it?

Speaker 5:
[08:10] Yeah, I did.

Speaker 2:
[08:10] What did they say?

Speaker 5:
[08:13] He said he thought it was like a heat shield or something.

Speaker 4:
[08:17] A mechanic listening to that would know the difference between a heat shield and that timing chain quickly. The timing chain is a very solid ratcheting sound that sounds more like a baseball card in the spokes or when you're turning a ratchet very slowly, it goes click, click, click, click into notches. You can hear that, but it's faster, lower and louder, so it'd be like click, click, click, click, click as it starts. A rattle is gonna sound more like you're taking a cutoff lid of a coffee can. You're probably at least as old as us, so you know what that's like. We used to cut them off with a can opener, and if you took that and you just kind of rattled it against the side of the counter, that would be more of a heat shield.

Speaker 1:
[09:06] As someone who's had both of these problems and knows nothing, the heat shield sounds worse than the timing chain. The timing chain sounded...

Speaker 4:
[09:15] But the heat shield will continue to make the noise.

Speaker 2:
[09:17] And if the salesman in the building, without listening to it, says it's a heat shield, have him go put it up in the shop and show us which heat seal it is, because it should do it every time. It should do it every time, even when it's warm almost.

Speaker 1:
[09:30] Jeff, thanks very much for the call. Good luck. 866-594-4150. That's the number to reach us here at the Under The Hood Show. Let's go to Minnesota and talk to Paul. You're on the Under The Hood Show. Paul, what can we do for you?

Speaker 6:
[09:45] Got a 6-2, it's got 230,000 on it. It just had the cam and lifters replaced. They're telling me to run the 020 oil. What do you say to that?

Speaker 4:
[10:00] Yeah, I think that's still fine. But on the 6-2s, for my own stuff that's got high pressure stuff going on like that, I just feel more comfortable running an additive in that oil. And I'm running that Justice Brothers heavy duty vehicle because it's a metal conditioner, and it's going to protect those parts. I just get real concerned about... We've had so many problems with cam and lifters on things, and most of the time, it's an oil system. The oil is just not protecting as well as it should. It's a wear issue. We take them apart, we see wear. Wear comes from friction. How do you reduce friction? You put a metal conditioner in it. So I would be very apt to run that. I tell customers when we redo things, when we put new engines in, I would run it. Once it's broken in, you want to make sure everything wears in properly first, like your piston rings and things, but yours is already broken in.

Speaker 2:
[11:02] Well, he's got new cam and lifters.

Speaker 4:
[11:03] Yeah, you don't want to wear those. You don't want to wear it going on. I would put a metal conditioner in there.

Speaker 2:
[11:09] And as far as the oil goes, that's where we switched my truck to that oil, once they recommended it.

Speaker 4:
[11:18] If I was in a warmer climate, myself, I'm running 530 in it.

Speaker 2:
[11:21] Yeah, but we just got such a variation of climate here.

Speaker 4:
[11:23] It gets too cold. It just gets too cold for that. That's not what it's recommended for. You've got issues, but when it gets down below freezing. But if I was in Texas, I'd probably be going with something just on my own. Everybody has to make their own decision, but most people I see are doing that.

Speaker 2:
[11:38] It was fine when they built the engine, they recommended it. And this wear problem that we're talking about, in the industry, there's many brands that have had problems with wear on cams and lifters. And even in the aftermarket, when you start reading about it, there was an era there where super high pressure point. Yeah. And they were having problems with cam lifters. So there was a degradation of metal issue in the industry.

Speaker 4:
[12:01] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[12:02] Post-COVID. And then oils changing. It was a bad formula. That's all there is to it.

Speaker 1:
[12:09] Is there, does that help you out there, Paul?

Speaker 6:
[12:11] My question is, in the race car world, we run a 5W20 with some added zinc.

Speaker 4:
[12:19] That is the attitude.

Speaker 6:
[12:20] Does the guy do that in these?

Speaker 4:
[12:22] Well, the 020, what I'm talking about, that heavy duty vehicle is the replacement for that. People are using that where you're low on zinc and ZDDP. So this is that.

Speaker 1:
[12:34] This is that version of the same thing.

Speaker 4:
[12:36] Yeah, you're just doing something to protect it. So if you can't remember what ZDDP is, Al Carson's used to work with us. I just saw Al. He used to call it Zip-a-dee-doo-dah product, ZDDP.

Speaker 1:
[12:50] Paul, there you go. Thanks very much for the call. You said earlier that the oils, they're not as...

Speaker 4:
[12:58] Due to federal regulated emissions in our country, we have removed a lot of the products that provided extra lubrication in the oil. The oil is the same.

Speaker 2:
[13:11] That's important. It's not an oil quality issue.

Speaker 4:
[13:13] It's the refinement of it.

Speaker 2:
[13:14] It's the process of the oil nowadays.

Speaker 4:
[13:16] What they're taking out, like diesel fuel, they took all the sulfur out.

Speaker 1:
[13:20] And the tolerances in it, in the engine.

Speaker 4:
[13:22] They're smaller. But so you need something that's going to flow very well and reach all the areas, but you also need something to protect. And while we used to have things in the oil and in the diesel fuel, Whale oil. It's not there. We're not hunting whales anymore.

Speaker 2:
[13:42] I don't think that was in oil.

Speaker 1:
[13:44] Yeah, no, yeah, it was.

Speaker 2:
[13:47] Do you read that on the ingredients of some brand name oil and see?

Speaker 1:
[13:51] I'll say this.

Speaker 2:
[13:52] No whales were squeezed or harmed for this?

Speaker 1:
[13:54] The amount of things they used whale oil for back in the day, it might have made it into vehicles. It might have made it into cars for a while.

Speaker 4:
[14:00] They used it, people would use that in rear ends of cars to quiet them down and things, along with banana peels and all sorts of things. The things that were in there were not, I was going to ask you guys a question.

Speaker 2:
[14:14] Banana oil.

Speaker 4:
[14:15] Yeah. I was going to ask you guys a question the other day. Those things kept popping up in my head. I was like, I wonder when was the first time this and that. My thought just this morning coming in, I was driving a car and I said, I wonder what percentage of our total listening audience right at this very second has ever driven a car with a manual transmission. I bet compared to even just 15 years ago, was it's half of that.

Speaker 1:
[14:44] Probably.

Speaker 4:
[14:46] I bet money it's under 20 percent of all our listeners.

Speaker 1:
[14:50] You got to get that filter that I have. I just text you guys all those questions. Every single question that pops into my head.

Speaker 2:
[14:58] I'm sure if we put it into AI, there'd be an answer with confidence.

Speaker 1:
[15:01] Yes, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[15:03] On the Under The Hood Show, how many of their listeners have never, isn't that just crazy?

Speaker 1:
[15:08] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[15:08] There'd be an answer and somebody would believe it. There's no testing done in this.

Speaker 1:
[15:13] Let's talk to Rob. You're on the Under The Hood Show. Rob, what can we do for you?

Speaker 7:
[15:17] Love the show. Thank you very much. Thanks. Thank you. While it's a chord day, while it's a chord day, I have a 2016 Honda Accord, which actually does also make the tensioner noise on cold startup, but once it's warm, you restart it, doesn't make sound again until it cools off. It's fixed. I've been going and praying and hoping that everything's going to be fine. My mechanic has reassured me on that. But anyhow, I had a question about fuel. I've heard you extol the virtues of running E-15 in your vehicle's rest. I've had this for a year and a half or so, put, I don't know, 15, 20,000 miles on it, something like that. Generally, it runs E-10. I've run maybe four or five tanks of E-15 in it. Usually, if I'm on a trip somewhere and I get sticker shock from seeing what the price of the E-10 is. And generally speaking, it runs fine. But I've noticed on long trips, if I'm running the car for three, four hours, and then go to slow it down, there's a noticeable rumble in the idle. Not severe or anything, but just because it's my car, it's a little bit annoying. If you shut the car off again, run it, or whatever, run it around town, it's fine again. Just curious if that's something I should worry about. Would you run your car, if it did that as well?

Speaker 4:
[16:48] It's just got a difference in the fuel trims a little bit, so it's seeing that. Then cars will run differently, depending on what kind of fuel you put in, and depending on what the fuel trim is at the moment. It's not enough to set a check engine light or really alert anybody, but they can feel slightly different with different fuels in there. You can have a car that runs, you run premium, runs different than running E15, which runs different than E10, which runs different than 87 octane, regular, no ethanol. They all run a little bit different depending on what you put in it, just like people, you know, it's like, I've had a hard day and feel a little run down. I've been eating sugar all day. Oh, I'm eating, you know, clean, good food. I feel a little better. Are you still operating? Yeah. At your peak? No, not quite, but fair. I bet you'll find if you were to measure your fuel mileage on a very long trip and ran one kind of fuel over 300 miles to your next fill up, then you filled up again and you're still on that same Midwest flat ground, you'd see a little difference in fuel economy between those two if you're feeling it in your seat when you're stopped.

Speaker 2:
[17:59] But to answer the question that you are probably asking, if the car is adjusting to it to the point that you're not turning on a check engine light because it's running out of its zone of ability to accommodate the fuel, it's not going to hurt anything.

Speaker 8:
[18:17] Okay.

Speaker 7:
[18:18] That sounds good. I had just wondered, yeah, I had done this place, it's only three or four tanks, it's been extraordinarily consistent, it does it every time, but you always say if I fill it, then just run around town or whatever, I don't notice a thing, it runs nice and smoothly, so I didn't know if there was anything more to do.

Speaker 2:
[18:33] I believe you're going to continue to see increasing blends in the standard fuel of ethanol going forward. I believe that world events will continue to move the needle.

Speaker 4:
[18:48] I'll almost bet that in the next 12 months, you will see a push towards using some E20 in things.

Speaker 2:
[18:55] Yeah, because the blends are going to make a big difference in what's in the fuels out there. They've already got an emergency waiver out there to allow E15 year-round, that was something that was never that way before. They're trying to get that permanently put into law. If you're in certain states and you're pulling up the pump and putting 88 octane in there in Minnesota, you're already putting E15 in.

Speaker 4:
[19:17] Anywhere. Anywhere that says 88 on a pump, that's code name for E15.

Speaker 2:
[19:22] People are using it like crazy. It's not going to hurt anything.

Speaker 7:
[19:27] Okay, sounds good. I appreciate the info, guys. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1:
[19:31] You bet, Rob. Thanks very much for the call. 866-594-4150, that's the number to reach us here. We are going to take a break. Real quick, I looked it up. You want to take a guess on the year that whale oil stopped being a common ingredient in transmission fluid.

Speaker 2:
[19:51] Ooh, I'm going to say, it's probably later than we think.

Speaker 5:
[19:54] I think it's 1971.

Speaker 1:
[20:01] 72, Dexron A and B from GM had whale oil.

Speaker 4:
[20:04] They had it in 71 and not in 2.

Speaker 1:
[20:06] Well, whenever 72 is when it was phased out.

Speaker 4:
[20:08] My guess was because of when they did the emissions on cars.

Speaker 1:
[20:12] It was the Endangered Species Act. When they took the whale oil out, it led to a rash of transmission failures in the 70s.

Speaker 4:
[20:21] Justice Brothers was born.

Speaker 1:
[20:23] 1972 is when we stopped using whale oil.

Speaker 2:
[20:26] I feel bad about my guess.

Speaker 4:
[20:27] Oh my gosh, I was right. For over 50 years.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 1:
[24:39] That's longer than, it's almost as long as whale oil has not been used in cars.

Speaker 2:
[24:44] We're going to call this the whale oil episode.

Speaker 4:
[24:46] It's pretty, pretty close.

Speaker 2:
[24:48] It led to some interesting conversations on the break.

Speaker 1:
[24:50] Sure has.

Speaker 2:
[24:51] Yes, it has.

Speaker 1:
[24:52] 866-594-4150. Let's talk to Rich. You're on the Under The Hood show. Rich, what can we do for you?

Speaker 7:
[25:01] Yeah, I got a 429 gas 700. She is my voice. I'm kind of a horse truck. And it's losing a little bit of antifreeze, but it runs great. And I was just wondering what we could do with it.

Speaker 8:
[25:25] I wonder when it's going to shell out.

Speaker 4:
[25:29] Don't just seal it. K-seal it. Yeah. Go buy yourself some K-seal.

Speaker 2:
[25:35] K-seal Ultimate.

Speaker 4:
[25:36] Right.

Speaker 2:
[25:37] K-seal Ultimate.

Speaker 4:
[25:38] For that one, you put it in there, or the HD and the larger system like that. You can pick it up at our partner at Advance Auto Parts. They sell it there. You pour it in the radiator. You make sure the radiator is full. You just drive it and it should seal it up. If it's a small, that small of a leak, where it's just using like a cup every few days or something, something really small, that's what it's designed to do, is seal those type of systems up. And you probably have a head with some porosity in it, which is common on those engines. Probably not a head gasket, but the screen door effect on your head. And that'll seal up with this. That's what the product's made for. And it's made to be a permanent, one-step, pour-in solution.

Speaker 1:
[26:19] I have a question for Rich. What's the usage of this F700 dump truck?

Speaker 7:
[26:25] Well, I pump out empty tanks. I don't drive a long distance, sometimes 100 miles a day, sometimes 25. But if I'd have to replace the engine, can you get a 429? I've been checking, and I can't get a 429 to put in that truck. Injection, and I fell in love with it.

Speaker 2:
[26:43] You'd probably be in a situation where...

Speaker 7:
[26:47] Would you put an engine in for me?

Speaker 2:
[26:49] No. No, you'd probably be in a situation where you'd have to have somebody... If there's not... You're not going to find a remanufacturer for that, typically. I mean, you could check, but I doubt it.

Speaker 4:
[27:00] Swans truck engine is what it is.

Speaker 2:
[27:01] But you'd probably be in a situation where you'd have to pull the engine out and send it to a machine shop and have them rebuild it.

Speaker 4:
[27:07] I think, you know, Car Dash Part may have one of these engines, and here's why. That engine was used in all those Schwans trucks. And this facility here has seen a dozen of them since I've worked here.

Speaker 2:
[27:21] Most of the ones we got were GM, but yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4:
[27:24] I mean, Schwans trucks. So depending on where you go, they had some of those Fords. So I think you'd be able to find one. And with this kind of truck, I'd probably try to go for a good... If you could find a good running truck yet that was just beat up real bad and they didn't want to run it for whatever, they're like, I don't feel comfortable using my dump truck anymore. Get the whole engine and then have somebody put it in. But we don't do medium duty or heavy duty trucks. We do lots of engines in cars, trucks, vans, anything you can imagine. Some small box trucks sometimes.

Speaker 2:
[27:54] Up to one ton basically.

Speaker 4:
[27:55] Yeah, we just don't do the medium duties of 700, 650, 700s are bigger than we're comfortable with. Like for size wise, we don't have the equipment in the facility to do those big ones. But we can fix up anything else.

Speaker 2:
[28:08] But that K-seal is probably going to take care of your problem. And all those thoughts are not necessary.

Speaker 1:
[28:12] Yeah, for 20 bucks, you'll be good to go.

Speaker 4:
[28:16] Yeah, I think you'll be amazed at how well that works. I've had so many people with success stories on these older ones like this and fixed it right up.

Speaker 2:
[28:24] And I got to hear Russ say porosity on this call.

Speaker 4:
[28:26] Porosity.

Speaker 1:
[28:27] Porosity, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[28:28] That's a good name.

Speaker 7:
[28:29] Porosity, porosity.

Speaker 2:
[28:30] That is a great word.

Speaker 1:
[28:31] It's a good name for a band. Like a garage band, a cover band. Porosity. Because the hits flow through you. Rich, thanks for the... I'm gone.

Speaker 4:
[28:46] Holes in their career.

Speaker 1:
[28:48] Rich, thanks very much for the call. Good luck. 866-594-4150. Kevin in Arkansas. You're up next on the Under The Hood show. Kevin, what can we do for you?

Speaker 8:
[29:00] Hey guys, thanks for taking the call.

Speaker 1:
[29:01] You bet.

Speaker 8:
[29:02] I used to live your way. I moved to Fayetteville years ago. Took my old car with me. My question's about a 55 Chevy. I've had it from 52 years actually. I had the engine pulled a couple of years ago. A good local shop bored out the original six cylinder, the 235, got everything running great. It just rolls down the road nice as could be. Two days ago, I'm driving down the road and I'm going 65 and I hear a little hissing sound. Doesn't sound good. I get home and pulled the valve cover and I broke a spring. Not totally, but I broke a spring on the head. So I'm going to have that repaired. They are the original springs. Since I've had this engine overhauled, do I need to replace all of them or just the one? What would you guys recommend?

Speaker 4:
[29:49] If they didn't put new springs in it when they overhauled it, I would replace all of them. If they just decided they were going to rebuild it and use the original springs which happens most of the time on those.

Speaker 2:
[29:59] They can check them on their spring tension checker.

Speaker 4:
[30:02] I'm not worried about the tension so much as they're getting brittle because of the age. It broke like it did. It broke. If it didn't break far enough or a valve dropped and caused piston contact and problems, you've got this choice. Put one spring in it now, drive it. If it happens again, do all of them because it's a significant time consuming thing to do all of them. Or if you're going to take this thing across country, you don't want to risk it.

Speaker 2:
[30:31] What did they tell you?

Speaker 8:
[30:32] I know. Same thing. I talked to the guy who did the heads and he remembers the car. And I said, yeah, I just broke. I said, you could replace one spring or we can spend four or five hours to replace all of the springs. And I said, what would you do? I said, one's good enough. I said, well, yeah, they're 70 years old. The springs are. And I didn't know if I should be nervous. I figured Russ would tell me to replace them all. That's what I guess.

Speaker 4:
[30:59] You can do them yourself at home with a cheap spring compressor. It's like 20 bucks, maybe 14 to 20 bucks. And a little air compressor. You get like one of those little can air compressors that most people have for filling up tires or whatever. And then you get the little adapter. You turn the engine till both the valves are closed on the cylinder you're working on. You hook the air compressor to that cylinder and the spark plug hole, put some air pressure in, and then with the valve cover off, you just take this compressor and it hooks under the rocker arm bolt, push down, take the clips off, lift it up, you lift the spring and retainer and everything right off the top, put the new spring on. You're going to put on the intake valves, you're going to slide a new umbrella seal over, you just pop it on for oil usage. And then put the spring on, push it down, make sure that things, retainer's on good, you get a little rubber mount, give it a couple little light taps there to make sure it's seated well and you move on to the next cylinder. You can do it yourself at home like that. I bet it'll take you maybe two to three hours to do it yourself at home and save so much money.

Speaker 1:
[32:08] Kevin, hold on a second, don't go anywhere. First, I want to ask you, did you follow all that?

Speaker 2:
[32:12] Yep.

Speaker 4:
[32:12] Did you?

Speaker 1:
[32:12] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[32:13] All right.

Speaker 2:
[32:14] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[32:14] Chris is like, I'm going to try that.

Speaker 1:
[32:15] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[32:16] On my Honda.

Speaker 1:
[32:18] And now, Kevin, we're going to come back to you in a second. We got a...

Speaker 2:
[32:21] We got a Brooklyn One Classic on our hands.

Speaker 1:
[32:22] For sure. For sure, for sure. Gotta guess the color. I'll go first.

Speaker 2:
[32:25] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[32:26] I'm going to guess, oh, without getting too far into it, is it the original? I'm going to just guess blue is in the line.

Speaker 2:
[32:33] All right. And this is a six-cylinder car, so more than likely basic colors. I'm going to say that this car is white.

Speaker 8:
[32:44] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[32:46] Red, red, white, and blue.

Speaker 8:
[32:47] There we go.

Speaker 1:
[32:48] Kevin, what color is the car?

Speaker 8:
[32:51] Russ got it. It's red with the white Bel Air paint job. It's got the white back in the red front. And the original color was black with the white top, and I had it repainted with the Bel Air paint job years ago. So Russ nailed it.

Speaker 1:
[33:08] There you go. Doug went with yellow. By the way, the two-tone with the white, that's what everybody wants. I mean, when you said that, that made everybody happy.

Speaker 4:
[33:18] We only had, growing up, we had people with fast cars and things like that. And we're talking in the 80s. So these cars were not that old in the 80s, really. Compared to today, it would be like driving 2000, right? We only had one guy that drove an old Tri-Five like that. He had a 56 Chevy, Steven Selman. Man, that thing was fast. I read and write, manual trans. It would go straight, wouldn't turn a corner, but boy, she'd go straight. But I remembered that growing up and how cool that was. And only because of that car, did I think that those Tri-Five Chevys were cool at my age now that I've gotten older. If I hadn't experienced that one, I'd be like, they don't interest me that much.

Speaker 2:
[34:04] That one didn't have a 235 six-cylinder in it.

Speaker 4:
[34:07] It did not. It had a big block in it.

Speaker 1:
[34:10] Kevin, thanks very much for the call. 866-594-4150. That's the number to reach us here at the Under The Hood show. Kevin should call us back.

Speaker 2:
[34:21] Just we want to talk to him one more time about his car.

Speaker 1:
[34:23] Yeah, just real quick. 866-594-4150. Let's talk to Mike. You're on the Under The Hood show. Mike, what can we do for you?

Speaker 9:
[34:35] Hey, thanks guys for taking the call. I'm in Sioux Falls. I have a Dodge Dakota 2000, and I've been having some issues to where when I drove it, it would just shut off and dead stick. You know, you couldn't really steer it, and you had to stop it, and then it wouldn't restart. I've had a shop replace the engine control module. So it was a reman. That didn't fix the issue. I had a friend tell me that if you replace the speedometer control sensor, the one that's on the outside of the transmission, that might fix it. Had that done, also had the camshaft, crankshaft sensor. That one's outside of the transmission too, replaced too. But nothing seems to fix this thing. And randomly, you can't start it. But sometimes it will start. And if you do start it, it will dry for a while, but you never know when it's going to not start again. So I was wondering if you guys had some ideas what I can do to get this thing to just work all the time.

Speaker 2:
[35:36] So when this, how often will this happen?

Speaker 9:
[35:40] Well, it's intermittent. It doesn't do it every single time. That's part of the problem.

Speaker 2:
[35:45] Understand. That's a big challenge anytime on a repair like this. But would you say it's happening once a week, once a month? What's your best estimate?

Speaker 9:
[35:55] Oh, probably a few times a month. I mean, right now, I don't drive it because I'm not sure. The other day, I tried to start, it wouldn't start. So I left it for a day, I went back and it turned right over. So then I moved it a little bit because I don't have a garage right now. So I have to move vehicles around because I don't want to get a ticket and have a tow.

Speaker 4:
[36:19] Turned right over. You're saying it doesn't turn over when it doesn't start or it doesn't fire up?

Speaker 9:
[36:24] No, I mean, it started. It started. It fired right up.

Speaker 4:
[36:27] When it doesn't start.

Speaker 2:
[36:29] Is it whirling the engine when it doesn't start? Is it whirling the engine when it doesn't start or is it just dead?

Speaker 9:
[36:39] You can hear it trying to start. It just doesn't turn over the whole way, I guess.

Speaker 2:
[36:46] Russ, try asking the question a different way.

Speaker 1:
[36:49] What noise does it make?

Speaker 4:
[36:49] Does it go do do do do do do do do do do do do not start or does it just go click? Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[36:54] Okay, now we're cooking with Bill.

Speaker 2:
[36:57] This is good though because we'll ask a number of people, does it crank and they don't connect with what we're saying.

Speaker 4:
[37:02] Well, they're different things.

Speaker 1:
[37:03] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[37:04] Right.

Speaker 1:
[37:04] And click like t t t t versus rr rr rr.

Speaker 4:
[37:08] Right. Boy. You just wanted to make that noise. Only a few times a month, this could be anything. It's going to be impossible for a shop to find. Because one, it's got to do it when they see it and two, it has to do it multiple times when they see it. Like, not just once. So if you brought it in to me and I walked out and I turned the key and it started, and I went, oh, I turned it off again, and I crank it again and it doesn't start now. Oh, I'm going to shut it off. Well, what am I going to check? Well, let's hook up our equipment and turn the key again. Oh, it started up. That was a waste. I can't find anything. I've got to see it. If you said, well, it'll do it. No, it'll do it every third time I crank it. So, when it doesn't, so, to find these things, what we have to do, if it was our own vehicle, I have to have a scanner connected to it while it's not starting, a fuel pressure gauge connected to it while it's not starting, and I'm cranking it, and I'm looking for what I'm missing. Do I have an RPM signal coming into the computer or not? I mean, if I don't, then I need to test that sensor at the computer and not at the engine end, and see, is it doing what it's supposed to? If it's not, then it's either the wire or the sensor. If it is, but the computer says it's not reading it, I've got a bad computer. And have I checked my power and ground at the computer first? And these Dakotas are not known for a crank no-start issue. It's not something that is common. There are a few vehicles. Some of the GMs have a problem with the ignition relay, and we just know that occasionally they fail, and we can look in to dig into the history codes, and we can find that there was an ignition relay code. And if I see that, sometimes when I'm just looking at a vehicle, some of our fleet vehicles we work on, and I'm scanning, I look at them when we're doing oil changes, and I scan codes, and if I see a history ignition relay code in there, I put one in it. It's cheap. It runs them about 40 bucks for everything. I just put it in now, because it's gonna leave them stranded at some point. That's something we know. It's a known thing. There's no known issues with the Dakotas for them doing this kind of thing.

Speaker 2:
[39:24] With the parts you've already replaced and the money you've already spent, they were all, the techs were leaning towards a crank signal issue, it sounds like.

Speaker 4:
[39:34] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[39:36] And so with that in mind, if all those parts have been replaced, it's hard because you've spent a good amount of money. They got to probably start looking at wiring. Empowers and grounds a little bit closer and see if there's anything in that harness that looks distressed or is it a pinch point? Washer fluid ran down somewhere. I'm just throwing stuff out.

Speaker 4:
[40:03] Those things happen.

Speaker 2:
[40:05] Look for something that is exterior.

Speaker 4:
[40:08] Can you wiggle wires around very slightly and then try to crank and get it to not crank? Or can you...

Speaker 9:
[40:15] Oh, no, I haven't tried that.

Speaker 4:
[40:17] Yeah, with it running and you get the hood open, just gently move wires. Don't pry them. Don't move them more than a quarter inch, but just put one finger on it and give them a little push all the way from one end of the harness to the other and try and you might go, oh, hey, it stalled right here. Then you look at that real close. We've done that and we found where we... Then we pull it away from the... like the firewall or fender liner and we look at the back side of it and we see a rub through to metal where it's almost bare and it's just enough that it makes the resistance, keeps it from starting at times.

Speaker 9:
[40:51] I got you. Well, you said of the, you know, connecting up the sensor to it, I had it at a shop in Sioux Falls and the mechanic, Tim, he did connect it up to that and it seemed to be okay that way, but...

Speaker 4:
[41:08] When it was starting. I don't know. I got to find it when it's not starting. It's the only time they'll be able to see it.

Speaker 1:
[41:13] Mike, thanks very much for the call. Good luck. Even like, if this were your vehicle, if your vehicle...

Speaker 4:
[41:20] I've had this.

Speaker 1:
[41:21] Right. And even...

Speaker 4:
[41:23] Once every two months, it doesn't start.

Speaker 1:
[41:24] I was just going to say, even you with the scanner equipment and all of your know-how, you mostly are just going to drive some house, right? I mean, you're just not going to want to deal with it until you can...

Speaker 4:
[41:35] I drove a vehicle for four years with a scanner with me, and I probably put, you know, 6,000 miles on in that four years to catch this, and it acted up two dozen times, maybe more, but only like maybe every month or so just once, because, oh, there it is, and I didn't see it. And I finally, one time, it did it for about five seconds in a row, and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, and I looked, and I said, there's my problem. So then I went to what can cause that issue, and one by one, I eliminated about five things until I got to the one. That's bad. I could actually go to it and duplicate this problem. That's my problem. And I fixed it, and it's been good since.

Speaker 1:
[42:22] That's how hard it is to chase down.

Speaker 4:
[42:23] It's very hard. Now, what would I have charged somebody to do that? You know, if they were a regular customer.

Speaker 2:
[42:29] Here's your bill for four years worth of labor.

Speaker 4:
[42:32] Maybe 50,000 bucks, 80,000 bucks. I mean, it's really, if you add it up all the time, you have invested plus the fuel to drive their car and everything. And some people don't realize that too. You bring your car to a shop, if they have to spend three hours driving your car and diagnosing it, and it's low on fuel, and they have to put it in, they're going to charge you for the fuel, too. Whatever the pump says, but still, I mean, you've got all those things come into play. They're all expenses that have to be met in order to cover it. Luckily, that doesn't happen too often, but I can't tell you how many cars, Chris, they come into our shop and they're empty. Like I put an engine in, I can't even take it on a test ride because it says low fuel, we're on E, you can't drive it, it's nutty.

Speaker 1:
[43:21] I can believe that, yeah, because you just got, in your mind, you just got to get it to the shop and then they'll take care of whatever. 866-594-4150, how is the Dakota not back? How are we?

Speaker 2:
[43:35] It's coming.

Speaker 1:
[43:36] I know, but how are we this far in? We're what, five years into the maverick.

Speaker 2:
[43:40] The mid-sized truck stuff is coming. I mean, Hyundai is working on a mid-sized truck to bring into the market. It's coming.

Speaker 4:
[43:47] It was named after our state, right? Is that where that name come from? Sure. Where else would it come from?

Speaker 2:
[43:53] One of the two.

Speaker 4:
[43:54] And I would imagine it was probably a Dakota. Was that an Indian name at some point? Dakota Indians? Yeah, sure. I don't know this, because I'm not from here. So, you know, they're all like, Pontiac was Pontiac Indians of Michigan. Yeah. But Dakota, until this very moment, I didn't think, well, wait a second.

Speaker 2:
[44:15] I never paused long enough to consider that one.

Speaker 4:
[44:17] Denali, the GM is named after Alaska.

Speaker 1:
[44:19] The mountain?

Speaker 4:
[44:20] Yeah. So, they're-

Speaker 2:
[44:21] They want them to sound rugged.

Speaker 1:
[44:23] Yeah. I just saw the Hyundai SUV. They've got a new, well, what's that thing called? They have a rugged name for it. It's a pickup and SUV. Oh, man.

Speaker 4:
[44:36] The Palisade?

Speaker 1:
[44:37] No, no, no. No, it's not.

Speaker 2:
[44:38] It's different than that.

Speaker 1:
[44:39] It's brand new. Brand new. It's not out yet.

Speaker 4:
[44:41] Was that named after Gerritsen, the Palisade part?

Speaker 2:
[44:45] Pacific Palisades, I'm guessing is primal.

Speaker 4:
[44:46] GM, have you guys seen- it might be just viral AI garbage as usual, but it looked like they were going to do a little more rugged looking modifications to the Chevy Blazer, the small Blazer, making it look more like a real SUV. I have not seen that.

Speaker 1:
[45:04] The Boulder is the Hyundai that they're talking about.

Speaker 4:
[45:07] The Boulder?

Speaker 1:
[45:07] Body on frame.

Speaker 4:
[45:09] That should have been- the Boulder should be a GM product, don't you think, like the Colorado Boulder?

Speaker 1:
[45:14] There you go. This was what was in my mind the last couple of weeks we got together. I never had a chance to get to it. Are there any brand names in the world better than Stable and Battery Tender? Because they are what people just call them now. And that comes from Kleenex, Battery Tender. But when you go to buy Kleenex, you're going there. You don't care what it is. But if you go in and ask for Stabilizer or Battery Tender, those are brands of those things that you still go for. Because you ask for it.

Speaker 2:
[45:53] It's quite interesting.

Speaker 1:
[45:54] If I go in to the grocery store and say, where's your Kleenex? They're not going to go, oh, here's Kleenex.

Speaker 2:
[46:01] Yeah, no, that's for sure.

Speaker 1:
[46:03] Go ahead, Shannon.

Speaker 2:
[46:04] I was just going to say we're getting to the end here, but we have got Earth Day ahead of us. And every year at our company, we honor Earth Day with different things. And we know that from testing has been done in our industry with a technical institute, the carbon savings equivalent for using used auto parts is huge. We have the data now to prove what we've always known.

Speaker 4:
[46:30] By putting one used door on your car, like we did on Chris's Honda that was damaged in the left rear, how many gallons of gas was that?

Speaker 2:
[46:38] 18 gallons or something like that.

Speaker 4:
[46:40] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[46:41] A fuel is saved.

Speaker 4:
[46:42] That's the carbon savings by just putting it on, instead of having to build a door.

Speaker 2:
[46:45] So for Earth Day, we'd like to remind people of that, that reuse is the best way to recycle. But also, we're going to be doing an amnesty day at our company. You got to come to the 2.0 or the self-service, and we'll take your consumer quantities of automotive items that you might have sitting around. So if you've got a couple of tires sitting there, we'll take them. We don't want a truckload, we're going to turn you away. This is just to help people who got a few things sitting around. If you got some oil, you got some antifreeze, a car battery, maybe some bent fender you took off at one time and it's still sitting there. We've got some receptacles we'll have in our parking lots. You can bring that stuff out on Earth Day, Wednesday, the 22nd only one day. We're going to take from you the things that we recycle every day. And so that's coming up on Earth Day. We got some other special events going on. Check out our Facebook pages, we'll have stuff posted. But we're very excited to honor Earth Day in the way that is very important to us.

Speaker 1:
[47:41] All right, this is the after show. I had you there, pal. I had you. I didn't know.

Speaker 2:
[47:48] I didn't know because I never said anything about it before.

Speaker 1:
[47:51] I got it. That is, do you guys ever do like tours out here for the public? I mean, I know you do a ton of groups and stuff.

Speaker 2:
[48:00] I wish I had more time to do those sort of things. I would love to do it. But we get people just will show up and say, can I get a tour? And it just doesn't ever work.

Speaker 1:
[48:08] I mean, like, yeah, that seems impossible.

Speaker 2:
[48:10] Yeah, I mean, I've got we've got we will do like scheduled tours with some civic groups that come out, you know, give them an opportunity. I know we've got the youngsters in the automotive trade coming out on the 29th from the technical school. There's 30 of them or so in the in the automotive programs. We like to show them what happens at a modern professional automotive recycling facility. And I wish I had more time with them. I'd get them up and show them in the service center, too, because that's we got a pretty good looking service center. It would be nice to show them also. And no, but we have never done a, other than the open house we had when we built this new facility.

Speaker 1:
[48:47] We opened it 25 years ago.

Speaker 2:
[48:49] No, no. 2018, July.

Speaker 1:
[48:53] Which, to me, seems unbelievable.

Speaker 2:
[48:54] It's hard to believe it's six years ago. Almost six years ago. The road is long.

Speaker 1:
[48:59] When was it? 2018.

Speaker 2:
[49:01] 2018.

Speaker 1:
[49:02] Yeah, that's eight years ago.

Speaker 2:
[49:03] In July, it'll be eight years.

Speaker 1:
[49:04] You just said five. Whatever I said was wrong.

Speaker 2:
[49:09] Bad math. I started to say the road. 2015, October was when we paved the road. And now it needs some maintenance already. Pretty good. But ten plus years on that coming up.

Speaker 4:
[49:20] We've been in the studio six years.

Speaker 2:
[49:22] Yep. 2020 was COVID.

Speaker 1:
[49:27] So we started in 21. January of 21 was here.

Speaker 2:
[49:31] The process started in 2020.

Speaker 1:
[49:33] Yeah. I have a question. Let's see. When you built this new facility, Yes. Nordstrom's 2.0, it was very much you had people coming through from the industry because it was pretty cutting edge at the time. Has- Still is. Has it caught up or is it just a slow thing?

Speaker 2:
[49:53] There's people continuing to come to our facility. But yet, there's a number in our industry that have used ideas not just from Nordstrom's, but from other leaders that have taken the time to build a facility that's specific to our industry and copied them. If you want to get a tour of Nordstrom's, anybody can do this. You can go to YouTube and you can go to A-R, well, I don't, it's Automotive Recycling Association's YouTube channel.

Speaker 1:
[50:22] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[50:23] And on that YouTube channel, there is a four-part series that one of my friends, it's from Virginia, and our executive director now, Vince, came out and we'd spent two days, and we gave a tour and explained how everything works, what it is. It is kind of zoned towards our industry, but it's very interesting. And so that tour has had thousands of views. And so we let people just see, we just told them what we did, how we're doing it. And so if you want to see that, you can just jump on to YouTube and go to the Automotive Recyclers Association YouTube page. And coming up soon on there, I don't know when they're going to release it. I did a long podcast interview recently. We have an area unscripted and they're interviewing industry leaders, icons, vendors that are influential. And so I finally got a chance to catch up with Vince. And we did that interview when I was up in Ontario. And we've been kind of gauging them to be an hour or so. Mine ended up being like two hours and 11 minutes. Imagine that. But Vince and I just really had a good time talking to each other and it just kept going. And it's a little bit about our business. It's a little bit about our life. It's a little bit about everything. I know you guys are mentioned in there at the radio show. And that'll be, I don't know when they're going to release that. It'll be coming out soon. But there's other podcasts on there that are really interesting. And we put them up on the YouTube channel also and plus any podcast site. But no, there's, if you want to get a tour, that's a great way to do it. And so to answer the question, I'm going in May for the URG conference, which is the United Recyclers Group. And we're going to be presenting there. But as my duties as the area president, I'm going to be meeting a busload of people that are international members and such that are going to be touring facilities in the Denver area prior to this convention. And so I'm going to be along with them. And one of those facilities, I hope they're not listening right now because I want to surprise them, is my good friends at Dario's are putting up a new facility. And so I'm going to stop in there having an open house. So there's others that have been asking, looking and doing things. So I'll take my odds. They're going to get wind of it eventually, I think. But it's definitely been a movement for people to figure out, all right, what can we build and how can we make it work the best?

Speaker 1:
[52:47] And to be fair, it was a huge project, so it's not something people are undertaking. You wouldn't do it on a whim.

Speaker 2:
[52:54] No. And what we did here, I was just talking to one of our employees that's involved in a church. And they had a church project that was pre-COVID, the congregation couldn't get together to figure out what to do. And pre-COVID, it was a $4 million project or so. And now they're working to approve it. I think they're getting it done. But post-COVID, it's a $10 million project. And it's basically the same project. And they've scaled back some stuff on it too. So timing wise, I will sit here and tell you guys right now that I could not build this today. It wouldn't be in the cards between the combination of interest rates and just the raw cost of doing things. This would probably not happen.

Speaker 4:
[53:39] Yeah, it'd be like all the people that can't buy a house now. Because, I mean, there are people in their mid-40s or when they're buying their first house, they just couldn't do it.

Speaker 1:
[53:47] And you certainly wouldn't be able to build, to let the project grow as your choices grew like back then, right?

Speaker 2:
[53:56] I wouldn't have just for the heck of it built in a soundproof room for a future radio studio.

Speaker 1:
[54:00] Exactly, yeah, that's what I was, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[54:03] You know, just as an example, that was extra money that we spent at the time. If you were scaling back, you'd say, okay, what's got to go?

Speaker 1:
[54:09] That's for sure.

Speaker 2:
[54:10] I mean, you have to make those decisions.

Speaker 4:
[54:11] Yeah, get a nice little trailer in the parking lot.

Speaker 2:
[54:14] I'm so glad that we did. And thank you, God, the timing was right. That's just what it was.

Speaker 1:
[54:20] All right, anything else you got? You got anything super important over there?

Speaker 2:
[54:24] No, you had asked before about Tennessee. I'll just tell you that we were going to a wedding, and we were looking for a place to stay close to the wedding because it was in rural Tennessee, Georgetown, Tennessee. And what pops up, but Treehouse, I didn't realize this was a thing. And I'm guessing they're in East Texas. I bet you they got them.

Speaker 4:
[54:45] They do, and then we stayed in one down in Branson, Missouri. You're talking about the, they call it glamping or whatever.

Speaker 2:
[54:53] Well, yeah, it's not real rough, but this was like a tiny home suspended in, so anyway, we saw tree houses, and we're like, huh, that sounds interesting. And so we went ahead and said, okay, now we started shopping, but by the time we were late, I'm always behind on stuff, and by the time we found one that looked okay, we were an hour from the wedding venue, everything else kept selling. It just, they kept selling on Airbnb or whatever, doing some more searching. We found this one, and we found a place called Treehouse Mountain in Copper Hill, Tennessee.

Speaker 1:
[55:23] Sounds delightful.

Speaker 2:
[55:24] And the gentleman that ran it, his wife were the most pleasant people, and he is a retired, Tom is his name, and he is retired from harvesting from local fishers, fresh trout in the hills of Huntsville, Alabama area. Fishery. And he would bring it and deliver it himself to the restaurants in Atlanta. And he did that for 20 plus years. And he knew all the restaurants, he knew all the heads of house in the back, and he retired from that. And they found this place that they would build these tree houses. The idea came up in the mountains of around that area. And so just in talking to him, it was interesting. I said, so you build these yourself? And he said, he goes, no, no, no. And I think he said the name of the company was like Treehouse Masters now out of North Carolina.

Speaker 4:
[56:12] They do a TV show.

Speaker 2:
[56:14] And they built the tree houses for him. And so the one we were in was called Rubicon, and it is suspended truly by, it's in three trees. I saw some online that they called it a tree house and they had a tree sticking through the deck. Right. And I was like, that's not a tree house. And so you walk kind of a little suspended bridge to get to it. And it was really a cool experience. Yes, it had wifi. Yes, it had a small shower in the corner. Yes.

Speaker 4:
[56:40] Air conditioning, heat.

Speaker 2:
[56:41] Yes, it had a mini split top and bottom.

Speaker 4:
[56:44] Still a tree house.

Speaker 2:
[56:45] But it was a tree house. We can say we stayed at a tree house. It was a cool experience. Tammy said, she goes, my dad never built me a tree house. And so it was like, yeah, we got to sleep in one. We go to bed at night, you climb a little, like a Fisher Price wooden ladder. It's like 10 foot to go up to the loft in the morning. The sun's coming baking down in on you with the, when the sun comes up. And it was a cool experience.

Speaker 1:
[57:08] Could you comfortably poop in there?

Speaker 2:
[57:10] Oh, very well.

Speaker 1:
[57:11] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[57:11] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[57:13] I mean, cause that's really everybody.

Speaker 2:
[57:14] We both dropped some big logs in there. Yeah. We were in the forest. It was all good. You asked, you should know not to go there with me.

Speaker 1:
[57:25] Well, it wasn't you that I'm thinking about now that is going to be mad.

Speaker 2:
[57:30] Oh, Tammy, she's probably still listening right now. Yeah. She's proud of it, I think.

Speaker 1:
[57:35] Yeah. All right.

Speaker 2:
[57:39] Did I go too far?

Speaker 1:
[57:41] That remains to be seen, I guess.

Speaker 3:
[57:42] You went to Tennessee.

Speaker 2:
[57:44] My mom and dad always told us growing up, they said, you know, we'd meet somebody and we don't know.

Speaker 1:
[57:49] I'm sorry.

Speaker 2:
[57:50] They'd always say, you know, don't get starstruck. My mom would always say they poop and put on their pants just like you do. Well, yeah, we pooped in the tree house. Both of us.

Speaker 1:
[58:02] Hey, don't let that couple back. They didn't know we didn't. The bathroom was down the next tree. They just pooped in the tree house and left, went back to South Dakota.

Speaker 4:
[58:15] The tree house is better than the warehouse.

Speaker 1:
[58:17] There you go. Hey, that will do it for the Under The Hood show, maybe all time.

Speaker 2:
[58:24] With Russ Evans, this is Shannon Nordstrom thanking you for tuning in to the Nordstrom's Under The Hood show. Have a great day and remember, PTLA.

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