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Speaker 1:
[00:20] What's up, everybody, and welcome to The Invincible Podcast, probably the best superhero podcast in the universe. This is a show where friends talk all things invincible, animated series, video game, the comic book, created by Robert Kirkman, Cory Walker and Ryan Ottley. I am one of your hosts, Ryan, and joining me today is TJ.

Speaker 2:
[00:38] Oh, hello, it's TJ.

Speaker 1:
[00:40] We've got Bill.

Speaker 3:
[00:42] Hi, you've got me.

Speaker 1:
[00:44] We got him, and we got Wyatt.

Speaker 3:
[00:46] Hey, guys, how's it going?

Speaker 1:
[00:48] It's going all right. Guys, we're here to talk all about the Season 4 finale. Oh, my God. I can't believe it. Again, I feel like we say this every year that, like, you know, can you believe that it's gotten to this point? You know, another season down.

Speaker 3:
[01:05] I feel like we just started. We just started it.

Speaker 2:
[01:08] We are halfway through, more than halfway through the comic, and they're still like, it's still crushing. It's on prime. It's getting all the ratings, yeah. And like, there's no signs of slowing down.

Speaker 1:
[01:25] We knew early on that this might be seven seasons. That's something that they threw out early on. That means we're more than halfway through the entire series if we only get seven seasons. You know, who knows? We might get eight, might get 10. We don't know. But yeah, that's wild to think about. We're more than halfway through the comic book at this point. So very exciting stuff. In this episode, we're doing the full breakdown on that. We've got our doodles, our predictions for I guess what comes next with Season 5. Yeah, a couple of listener emails. We got all of your thoughts on Episode 7, which you guys came out for like crazy. That was an awesome episode. So excited to hear what everybody has to say about that. A bit of quick housekeeping. You can email us like so many of you did to be part of the show at theinvinciblepodcast.gmail.com. Find us on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, pretty much anywhere, including YouTube, where you can subscribe, give us a thumbs up. If you want to support the show, you can become a member, get some emojis and some icons and badges and all that good stuff. Couple of exclusive videos, some of our watchalongs. We're going to be posting our Season 3 watchalong videos pretty soon here. So yeah, thank you for supporting the show for those of you that did. But everything counts, whether it's just a like, a share, all that good stuff. We appreciate it. Coming up though, we have a conversation with none other than Robert Kirkman. This is the first time we're saying it publicly. We just, if you're seeing this, if you're listening to this, it might not quite be live yet, but it's going to be live very soon otherwise. So very excited for that. As well as some live streams. We want to do another live stream. We told you at the halfway point through the season we wanted to do one as kind of like a season wrap up live stream. Right now, that's tentatively most likely happening on Thursday. The... who's got me?

Speaker 2:
[03:23] Twenty third.

Speaker 3:
[03:24] Twenty third. I got it. I got it first. I didn't even have to look at anything.

Speaker 1:
[03:27] Twenty third. Then exactly one week later, we'll be doing another one to play Invincible Verses. We want to do the story mode together. So come hang out, watch that with us, get our reactions as we play through that. So two live streams coming up in two weeks, as if we haven't been doing enough lately. Meanwhile, in Midnight City, our Invincible Tabletop RPG campaign is nearing its end. We just released episode five of this six-part series, and episode five, things get wild. The surprise that Adam pulled on us was amazing. It was such a fun episode. And at this point, we have finished it. We've recorded the finale. And guys, it's so good. I'm just saying, it's going to be... I can't wait for everybody to see this one. We had a blast. So if you're not watching, Meanwhile, in Midnight City, please go check it out.

Speaker 3:
[04:25] It's one of my favorite things that the podcast has done, especially even since my time joining for sure. And yeah, like the twist that happens in the episode that we just released of part five, that was the moment that I realized like, oh, Adam's been planting some seeds throughout. These little, you know, felt like standalone adventures that he was building up to something big. And like, I did not see it coming whatsoever. And it's such a fun ride. And the finale of it, I feel like delivers in a very satisfying way. So yeah, it's great. Go check it out.

Speaker 1:
[04:59] It does. And if you do check that out and you want to see more, we're considering doing like a little bit of a behind the scenes episode or live stream or something with Adam, just because we have this itch now and we want to talk more about what went into creating the story. If you have questions about our characters or see, want to see character sheets or other things like that, we'd love to do that too, because we have some ideas given where the story ended. So from there, we're going to go into some emails. First up, we've got one from Wyatt.

Speaker 3:
[05:30] Well, I'm reading it. It's an email from me, but I'm going to read it.

Speaker 1:
[05:34] Yeah, you are delivering it. I mean, it isn't your letter, but you are the one delivering the letter.

Speaker 3:
[05:39] So it took me back though, because I used to write some emails and now I'm reading the emails. All right. This one says, yo, guys, I was planning on emailing in at the end of the season, but after this week's episode, I needed to write in now. Holy fucking shit. This is absolutely the best episode in the entire run of the show, the new additions and pacing changes they made were perfect. I've never been one of those people that's had a problem with the animation, but the animation in this episode was ridiculously good. The score was great as well. We got to see some Argole backstory and we got to see the great Purge. Battle Beast completely misunderstanding the conversation at the table and ranting about his final meal being his own blood was hilarious. Seeing Space Race for cruising in with the Ragnars fucking rocked. But guys, we need to talk about Thragg. Fuck me, in the comics, he's menacing, but in the show, I feel like they've turned it up a notch. He's a monster. He is so goddamn intimidating. I'm on the edge of my seat whenever this prick starts moving. I don't know how I feel about that sentence, so we're just going to keep going. Those two punches Thragg through at Nolan to make him land and exit Viltrum. We're insane. Then we have a note here. This is Mike Barrett emailed and wanted to know what we would name that punch.

Speaker 1:
[06:58] I had a little more time to think about this because I saw the email. I forgot to send it to you guys prior, so think about it if you want and let us know when you've got one. The only thing I can come up with was Sucker Punch.

Speaker 3:
[07:09] Yeah. Because it sucks.

Speaker 1:
[07:10] That's good. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[07:11] That's pretty great. I've seen a few like Instagrams and TikToks comparing this, that and Ryan is really the only one on the podcast that's going to get this reference because it's My Hero Academia. But it is All Might's Detroit Smash. He does a punch that is very much, it's the wind up and then it's just a ridiculously strong punch that those edits of the two lined up together with the My Hero Academia music playing are fantastic. So that's what I'm going to think of it as, even though we're just stealing that from My Hero.

Speaker 2:
[07:40] I enjoyed all the memes and the funny comments. Us being big Airbender fans, like who knew Thread could Airbend?

Speaker 1:
[07:47] I thought that was funny.

Speaker 3:
[07:49] Yeah. So the email goes on and says, I loved the added scene that Thrag and Nolan got on Viltrum as well. It really made what happened later in the episode hold more weight. But when Mark tells Thrag that he killed Conquest and the music starts ramping up, then that bass stretch happens while Thrag replies, show me. Fucking chills, man. As always, thanks for everything that you do. You all rule. Please do the podcast forever. Sorry for the ranty email and any typos. I'm 90% sure I have COVID right now. Love Riley from the Land Down Under. He got the skirt. Royley! Royley, we're sorry. Royley! COVID, mate. Is that right?

Speaker 1:
[08:30] I hope you're doing better.

Speaker 3:
[08:33] Probably not, probably not.

Speaker 1:
[08:36] That's rough, but thank you for the email, Riley.

Speaker 3:
[08:38] Yeah, thanks so much.

Speaker 2:
[08:40] All right, I got a couple here. This one is from Mason. He says, hey guys, love the podcast. I've been listening since season three and really enjoy listening to y'all's breakdown without comic spoilers. I'm reading up on the comics to follow along with the show. Does some part of you wish you could experience it the same way? Thank you guys. Keep it up, Mason.

Speaker 3:
[09:05] I, 100%. Especially after watching the last like seven and then eight, I feel like I love that seven is getting this much love. Like, I love it so much. I don't think that I loved it as much as everybody else did because I'm a comic reader and it was pretty much beat for beat minus those exciting parts with Thragg and Nolan. So, yeah, I'm super envious of people that get to experience it like we did when we were reading a comic for the first time.

Speaker 2:
[09:33] I wouldn't say I'm any more or less. I would say the same thing about the comic. Do you wish that you could experience the comic for the first time again? Like, absolutely, I do. But I think that that's as far as it extends for me because the show does such a good job at surprising comic readers too that I feel like I didn't really miss anything when it comes to surprises. Like, yeah, I knew what was going to happen to Viltrum. Had no fucking idea that it was going to happen like that. I was so surprised, so shocked by that. So yes and no. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[10:04] I think, yeah, like you're saying, whichever one you watch first, I think is great. The only downside to the show is that it's obviously not finished. You're going to be left hanging until the show continues. But I honestly think Mason is, that seems like the worst way in my opinion. No, I mean, do you. But like reading both at the same time until the next thing happens. That sounds so confusing, man. Like I feel like you'd be going back and forth and what happened in which one. I mean, it's hard enough for us who have seen, who know the whole story to sometimes be like, oh, that's right. That character, Amber was like that in the comic, not the show. But imagine doing both at the same time and only doing a little bit every year. That seems tough. That seems tough.

Speaker 3:
[10:45] I've seen a few people say that they enjoy doing that with, with not just Invincible, but like other things. And that has been something that I've never really done. I like very much to just like experience one thing at a time, whatever is available, the entire works of it. But yeah, in terms of like, I would love to go into these episodes kind of knowing nothing, just to see what that experience is like. But I do think that having read all of the comic prior to watching the show, makes me like really lock in and pay close attention to any of the scenes that are new. Like we got in the last email, they mentioned the scene with Nolan and Thragg on Viltrum talking. And like, when that happened, you know, to Bill's point, a lot of the things were so beat from the beat for beat from the comic that we kind of knew what to expect and weren't shocked by too many things that happened. But when that scene happened, like, I feel like all four of us leaned in and we're hanging on every word, because it's like, whatever they're saying here felt important enough to put into the middle of this crazy action sequence in battle. And what is that going to reveal to us about these characters that we feel like we know so well already? And that's part of the excitement of us watching the show, I think, is knowing that, like, because if I was watching the show for the first time, it's just like, oh, this is another scene that's part of this whole sequence. And you maybe still appreciate it just as much, but I think knowing that some things are new adds this, like, extra layer of, like, excitement for us that makes us, like, tune into it maybe a little bit more, or just in a different way than we would have.

Speaker 1:
[12:19] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[12:19] Yeah. All right. I got another one here from Jacob. He says, hey, what's up, guys? I wanted to send this amazing Conquest drawing. I spent maybe 20 plus hours drawing this. And then in parentheses, he put 10 minutes and was wondering your thoughts on it. Do you want to look at that first before I continue on?

Speaker 1:
[12:38] Sure.

Speaker 3:
[12:39] I hope it's not good. That did not take you 10 minutes.

Speaker 1:
[12:41] 10 minutes? That's so good.

Speaker 2:
[12:43] You want the single tooth.

Speaker 1:
[12:45] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[12:46] Very cool.

Speaker 1:
[12:47] Wow.

Speaker 3:
[12:47] That's awesome. That's great.

Speaker 2:
[12:50] Other than that, I've been loving the podcast episodes and Invincible just keeps getting better and better. I'm very excited to see the next episode and hoping Dinosaurus, he's talking about the finale, and hoping Dinosaurus will show up even if it's something small. Keep up the great work. Keep up all the great work you guys do, Jacob.

Speaker 1:
[13:11] Thanks, Jacob.

Speaker 3:
[13:12] Thanks, man. Great try.

Speaker 1:
[13:14] No Dinosaurus.

Speaker 2:
[13:15] No Dinosaurus. He'll be next season.

Speaker 3:
[13:16] You know what? I think we'll get into it during the breakdown. We'll get into it. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[13:23] Also on Facebook, we got some messages as well. So again, you can follow us on Facebook and Instagram now because we're on both of those, so check us out there. But Jamie Kelly wrote in, I think he's written in before in the past.

Speaker 3:
[13:38] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[13:38] He has a lot of cool points about Thedas and now Argo, both being voiced by Transformers characters. I'm just talking about how if it wasn't completely obvious before that Robert Kirkman is a diehard Transformers fan, who obviously writes Transformers comics now, that would make it even more obvious, and just how cool it is to get both of them on there. And then he talks about Thragg. I'll read this part. He says, Leave it to the show to make me feel more sympathetic for Thragg. Maybe not so much that he is now justified, more just that he really is so much a product of his upbringing and really does just sincerely love the Viltrumites in his warped way. Going to love listening to your take. Love, Jamie. So yeah, that's what I think makes Thragg so awesome is how like he is an emperor type. He is the grand regent and he very much cares for his people just as much as Mark cares for his people. So yeah, very cool.

Speaker 3:
[14:49] We talked a little bit about like, I don't know if it was on the air or off the air, but how Thragg isn't necessarily like the most interesting big bad. But I think that might be changing. Like I think in the comic, maybe he's a little bit one dimensional and we don't like get to see. I mean, he emotes a lot in the comic, but there's just something about Lee Pace's performance that is just making me, yeah, dude, when he says show me, like, I'm just like, God damn, like, I can see this thread being a better thread than the comic. Yeah, already. Already. Yes. I think I had mentioned that a little bit when we were going into episode 7, knowing we were going to get some of those flashbacks that like in the same way that the new Conquest stuff in season 3 made us look at Conquest a little differently, like this there, I don't think maybe quite as drastically as the I Am So Lonely speech does for Conquest, but there's enough that they've done with Rag both in 7, and I think now even in this, in episode 8 as well, that I do look at him differently and I'm considering what his motivations are and how he actually feels about things in a different way than I did in the comic. In the comic, it felt more that he was just like this extremely formidable foe that they were going to have to find a way to beat in some way. I don't necessarily feel the same way about him right now.

Speaker 1:
[16:12] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[16:13] Thomas Brunt also wrote in on Facebook and had some cool ideas about Tech Jacket and Thrag, but I think that might be a good one for us to save for our live stream. We'll talk more about it.

Speaker 1:
[16:23] Yeah. We do have a few emails that we're saving for the live stream. We've got, like I said, a bunch of you all wrote in. We've got a handful actually loving the idea of Thetis and- Argyle? What's his name? Argyle. Thank you. Both being Transformers actors. That's awesome. Yeah, it's super cool. I've got the next one here. Hi guys. Firstly, thank you for your podcast. As a show viewer only, as that's what I've discovered first, I prefer to stick to experiencing it that way initially, but we'll definitely be purchasing all the comics afterwards. I want to thank you for being very upfront about the potential spoilers and avoiding them when possible. Couple of questions with the first one being about episode 7. I'm fairly certain that if someone disemboweled me, I would remember that and I would bring it up in conversation. If the lack of interaction on this matter between Mark and Battle Beast seems amiss, even a sentence or two would have been better than just ignoring it, although maybe it is mentioned in the comic. Want to tackle that first?

Speaker 2:
[17:28] Is it?

Speaker 1:
[17:29] I don't think it's in the comic either.

Speaker 2:
[17:32] That's a really good point. I never even really thought about that.

Speaker 1:
[17:34] It is. I never thought about it that much either. Even if we had, I forgot again. But that is such a good point. That's one of those things that I was like, man, they really should have touched on that in the show.

Speaker 3:
[17:45] Even just a reaction from Mark, like, oh, he's here.

Speaker 1:
[17:48] They're in the same room together.

Speaker 3:
[17:50] Are we cool? Having a little moment like that, I think could have gone a long way. But yeah, that is a lot. Wow. What is he talking about? Is he talking about telling Battle Beast about how he was disemboweled by Conquest? By him. They fought. They fought. And Mark almost died to Battle Beast. And Battle Beast was like, this is boring. I'm leaving.

Speaker 1:
[18:09] Now, obviously, they're all in the same ship. We have that whole montage. Like, time has passed. Oh, introducing. Like, but man, that probably should have been at least a nod. At least passing this happened. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[18:23] Even if they just shared a glance and then Allen was like, don't worry, he's cool. Like, yeah, I mean, like that would have been enough to be like, OK, they address that there is some history there.

Speaker 1:
[18:32] But like even like Battle Beast being like, clearly, I don't need to fight you. You are I've defeated you. You're not my foe. Like, I'm looking for someone stronger than you. And that could have been a funny interaction. Yeah. Agreed, Mike. Secondly, a thought regarding the comic book readers and episode four, Herb. The backlash seemed unnecessary, but appears to show that comic book readers feel a sense of superiority over show watchers. Not you guys, though. And this episode put a lot of noses out of joint because for once, show and comic book readers were on a level playing field. You guys, however, were so positive, it was great to hear someone praising the episode as I thought it was a great one. That's all. Off to boost my guardian of the globe thrag now. Thanks, Mike, from England. Thanks, Mike. Appreciate it. Yeah, we've talked at length about Episode 4, and I think for the most part, vocal minority and it's died down. Vocal minority when it comes to tech jacket, that's died down. Zoe's awesome. Not much more to say about that. Yeah. Yeah. Bill, you've got the different.

Speaker 3:
[19:40] I've got the last one, I believe. Hello, Invincible Podcast Pals. With the season finale, or wait, with the season finally, I think it's-

Speaker 1:
[19:49] I think you meant finale.

Speaker 3:
[19:51] Yeah. With the season finale right around the corner, I had to contact you guys to say, you're all doing a great job, as usual, with your reactions and reviews for this episode. Reviews of the episode, sorry, guys. Mako's being ridiculous. Which isn't difficult because Invincible Season 4 is phenomenal. Everyone is bringing their A-game. Sandra Oh deserves an Emmy, 100 percent, and I will be sad when the season ends. Luckily, fans of Invincible can get their fun Invinci-fix with, quote, meanwhile in Midnight City. All I can say is, wow, after the first season, I was hooked and they get better and better each episode. I just finished episode 4 and I eagerly await episode 5. But if I had to pick, episode 3 is my favorite. I spelled it with EU for me specifically so far. I love everyone's characters. The music is brooding. Great job, Wyatt. And Adam Bradford is next level talented with the art explaining slash enforcing the rules and situations and the overall DMing of the game. I just wanted to bring up my enjoyment of it in hopes more people give it a chance. However, I don't want to push people to it because everybody knows you can't push. Episode 4 reference. You can't push to block. Right. Exactly. When it's an inter-app action, you can't push. Just a few quick questions. First one, is there or will your team be getting a logo for the Midnights, something we can put on hats and t-shirts? That's a great suggestion.

Speaker 1:
[21:26] How did we not think of it?

Speaker 3:
[21:27] I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[21:28] How do we not have a logo for the team?

Speaker 3:
[21:33] I don't know. Maybe we'll bring that up in season two of Meanwhile in Midnight City if there is one. Will there be a season two? I sure hope so.

Speaker 1:
[21:42] We've got thoughts. Maybe none of us survive the finale. You'll have to wait and see.

Speaker 3:
[21:45] It's true. Oh, that's a good point. Could this become an actual comic book adventure in the Invincible universe? I would love to see Ottley's interpretation of the Siphon Mech fight in Episode 3. I sure hope so. I think it would be awesome. Maybe we'll ask Robert when he's on. Keep up the great work with all your awesome content, and I'll keep listening and enjoying. Love, Travis aka Thetis. Oh, sorry. Too soon? No. Not soon enough. Thanks, Travis, for all the love on Midnights. We're having such a blast doing that. So yeah, any more requests of people wanting us to do that more, we're going to be very eager to do any kind of content around the Midnights. Yeah, it's niche or niche, whatever you want to say. Like if you're not into like RPGs, I totally get not wanting to dive into that, but it is fun.

Speaker 1:
[22:39] Yeah. Yeah. And like you said, I get it. You know, if it's not your thing, this is the first time we've ever done it either. It wasn't our thing and it's Invincible is our thing.

Speaker 3:
[22:48] That's now our thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[22:49] And yeah, it eased us in pretty well. All right, guys, you ready? What did I miss?

Speaker 3:
[22:58] It eased us in pretty well. I don't know. It sounded pretty dirty, but that's just me.

Speaker 1:
[23:03] All right, guys. Season 4 finale. Let's do this. This is, pull up my notes here, episode 8, Don't Leave Me Hanging Here. This comes from issue 123. And I have cropped out the majority of this scene to avoid spoilers. Mark is talking to somebody and he says, well, don't leave me hanging here. And it doesn't really matter what they're talking about. It's not a big deal. They managed to find that one little line in a random conversation many issues from now. And that's that. That's where they pulled that one from. This was written by Simon Rasiopa. And it was directed by Ian Abando, who also did 404, The Hell episode. Yeah. Which is my other episode. So we had gone the full block where each of us did an episode directed by the same guy or same person twice. Episode 404, Herm, directed by Ian Abando, ends with Mark telling Eve, quote, I'm not OK, but maybe I'm getting there. Just put a pin in that. All right, guys, tell me your initial thoughts on the Season 4 finale.

Speaker 3:
[24:30] I'll go first, I guess. I thought it was good. I think that there was no big fight, minus if you call what happened in the Pentagon, like a big action scene or not. But I got to say, it was, again, I loved it. I thought it was great. I thought that the changes that they did with the visions that Mark was having and why he was having them, as opposed to it just being like a nice little thing in the comic book, like it had a reason and a purpose to be there. Again, this could be at fault of us being comic readers, but I think it may actually be my least favorite episode of the season so far. And that's not saying that it's a bad episode because it's fantastic, but it just was my least favorite. I think it's a very emotionally heavy episode. It does in a lot of ways feel like an epilogue to this season in the way that, like you said, Bill, there's not a big fight to top previous season finales. I think maybe I was wondering if we were going to get or expecting in some ways. And while at first that feels like, we didn't get a thing that maybe we were hoping to get, I think we all, especially having read the comic, knew that there wasn't really a big fight to be had in these moments right after the Viltrimite War happens. So unless they were to do something totally crazy and different from the comic, we weren't going to get that. So it wasn't really a disappointment that we didn't get that. And having had some time with it now, thinking about it, I really like that, like, I think I was expecting that because every season finale leading up to this had the Omniman fight, the Angstrom fight, the Conquest fight. And I like that they've broken that trend so that we don't really know what to expect about when a big fight is going to happen, that not every season finale has to have the goriest, most brutal fight that tops the last season. But the actual scenes in this episode and the things that they do with Mark, like, to your point, Bill, of how they used sort of the nightmare sequence throughout this episode to really show us what Mark is dealing with and having him eventually break down and admit that he actually needs to talk to somebody and he needs therapy is something that's not from the comics and it's something that is, I think, my favorite addition to Mark's journey that we've really gotten. That's something that hasn't been from the comic, which, yeah, really, really enjoyed this episode. Like, every scene is tugging at your heartstrings and you feel the weight of all of it. And I think because of that, similar to even season two, we ended season two and that finale was just like, oh, I don't feel great. Like, I kind of feel bummed out after all this. And I think that's how I was left after this episode, even though, like, again, great episode, like the performance is fantastic.

Speaker 2:
[27:27] Yeah. I echo everything you guys said. I loved this episode. I thought it was really good. And again, like, we always talk about, like, in the finale of Invincible, you're always expecting conquest or you're expecting, like, craziness and blood and crazy action. But like, I always think of Game of Thrones. And Game of Thrones is, like, one of my favorite shows. Like, it's one of the best shows I think I have seen. But every finale of that, what was like the more, the finale of that was more the penultimate episode of every season. That's one where all the craziness happened. And then the finale was like a little more like wrap up and then gearing up for the next season. And I think that that's what this was. I think it was more like more wrap up. And my favorite thing about this entire season was episode 5, the Debbie and Nolan stuff. And I loved how we came back to that. I thought all of that was incredible. And again, that's more like its growth, its character growth and gets us moving along to the next season. Also the stuff with Cecil this episode was so good. I loved that. So I really liked this episode. Again, kind of echoing what Wyatt said about the PTSD stuff. But then the final confrontation at the end of this episode, the Thrag stuff, the fucking dialogue was so good. Oh, I don't want to get ahead of ourselves. I'll call out some of my favorite lines, but oh, it was so good.

Speaker 1:
[29:02] I definitely had to write some of those down.

Speaker 2:
[29:04] Yeah, so did I. I really, really liked this episode and I liked that it was kind of a change of pace from previous season finales, so.

Speaker 1:
[29:13] Yeah. At this point in the comics, it might even be the same issue when Mark returns to Earth. There's actually a two-page spread of him going through and stopping Kill Cannon or Elephant or whatever, and doing some small crimes, and it's an image of him flying off the page, saying, it feels good to be back. So between that and the past finales, and what I expected and hoped for, I think I just wanted a bit more of the Invincible universe in this episode. We haven't seen Earth proper since the premiere, since episode one. Episode one, we got the Flaxons, we got, what else? It was Universa, and we got to see the Guardians of the Globe. Then episode two was in space. Episode three was only showing the, oh, I'm sorry, it was all the crime stuff, Machine Head, right? No Guardians or anything really. And then four was Hell, all space. So this felt like an entire season before, okay, surely we're going to see the Guardians. Surely we're going to see some more of the Invincible Universe of what's going on. We got that tease of Pegasus and the Hell episode. So I think my expectations were just a little bit more broad in terms of what else we see. Every finale, we get that montage of where everything's going, what's coming up. And again, I agree with you guys in that, break the trend. We don't need to be so predictable, all four of that. So I think especially the first watch, I was like, okay, are we going to see something else? It's about, are we going to see a different POV? I had since watched it a couple of additional times, and both times I caught myself almost unable, like I kind of wanted to stop watching because it was getting a little too emotional at times, because it gets really heavy. And the way they captured his PTSD with the music and the heartbeat, and it's just uncomfortable to watch sometimes. And it's not what I expected in the first time because again, as we've talked about in the first watchthrough, we're kind of analyzing a bit and comparing it to the comic and everything. So even though at some point, this might not have been necessarily what I wanted, I think it was more what we needed and what this show needed. Because a fight with the elephant would not, at any point in this episode would not have been the right call. It is not that kind of episode. It would have felt out of place. Even though that's kind of what Invincible does best, both in the comic and the show, it reminded me a lot of the finale for Season 2, Wyatt. That one ends super somber with Mark and Eve, and Eve telling him, you know, this isn't your fault. That episode has a ton of stuff that has, you know, again, the big fight, which I'm not saying we needed, but seeing a ton of different characters and different storylines. So I'm torn because I feel like it was the right call to focus solely on, I think everything was either Mark's point of view or no one's point of view. We get the one scene with no one in Cecil, but otherwise we don't see anyone else. Oh no, there's the Cecil scene.

Speaker 3:
[32:27] And we get a little bit of Alan.

Speaker 1:
[32:30] You're right, you're right, we do. So I think focusing on Mark's emotional state was really important for this point in the series. I love the idea that he is admitting that he needs therapy, that he needs this, especially for what is coming next in the story. I think that's a huge change. I mean, the whole story is about this guy that is invincible and cannot be hurt. But it's like the comic never really touches on his mental state. I think that's a huge change for the show, and I think it's a big important change. So I'm really glad they did that. So yeah.

Speaker 3:
[33:08] Yeah. I feel kind of bad because when we finished the episode, we talked a little bit afterwards and I was like, it just felt so heavy the whole time.

Speaker 1:
[33:16] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[33:17] Sombra the whole time that I feel like it could have used a little bit of levity. But thinking about it now, I know, thinking about it now, I feel bad. Imagine someone that's going through PTSD and then me being like, tell a joke, do something funny. That's where it's super insensitive to your point.

Speaker 1:
[33:36] But again, could Cecil have said something about The New Guardians giving us a little something like it just, it felt like the world was a lot smaller when we've been shown how big it is. But again, maybe that's the point. Maybe the point was to show this is all shrinking and caving in. If you open it up, then it makes it feel like these feelings aren't as oppressive when the whole point of this episode, as I found out when we're watching it, was like, God, I can't breathe at times. The point of it is to feel tight and closed. But man, I just missed the universe. I missed the Invincible Universe, and that's a me problem. I love seeing all those things. We got so spoiled with 7 and 8 last season of just kicking open the door of everything, that we can't expect that so much. But yeah. Okay, let's get into this. The episode opens on Earth. The Viltromites have arrived. The ship pulls up. It opens in this amazing shot, the silhouette of all of them standing there. The song playing is... The song playing is Ethel Cain. It's called August Underground. Interesting fact, the song Televangelism is also... This is the first time we've seen Ethel Cain from the same album. This Televangelism was a song used in episode 207 during the Amber breakup scene.

Speaker 2:
[34:56] Can't be the first time, right? No, the Mahlers, right?

Speaker 1:
[35:00] Oh, good call. You're right, you're right. I don't think any of those were the same album, but they were all Run the Jewels.

Speaker 3:
[35:06] Oh yeah, cause Run the Jewels is, yeah. I was like, Ethel Cain was not the music from the Mahlers. I don't know what you're talking about. That's like, definitely Run the Jewels.

Speaker 1:
[35:15] Great song, super eerie. They immediately fly down and cause mass destruction and they're killing people and they cause this tsunami. It's intense. We see Thrag on the ship, looking at a completely devastated planet Earth, and we hear Mark as Nolan snaps him out of it. We're on the ship still. Mark is having this vision of what he's imagining is happening on Earth. Nolan tries to reassure him, saying that we don't even know they're there, but Mark's like, it's the only place that makes sense. Tech Jacket is there though, and she's like, so what's the plan? And she realizes there is no plan. We cut to Telescria, and Alan is confiding in Taliyah that he feels unqualified to lead the coalition. She reassures him, and she says that they have to head to his coronation. So that is that scene. Back on the ship, Tech Jacket is sitting down with Mark and Nolan, and she's great in this scene. She's a little bit more upbeat, she's trying to lighten the mood. She's like, all right, I've got a plan. We get to Earth, we use the space station as a base of operations, we scan the planet for Viltromites, we go in, attack them one at a time, get out. It's probably not going to work, but I'm prepared, let's do this. And they are just completely ignoring her. And then she notices this and she's like, you know what? Who likes Earth anyways?

Speaker 2:
[36:47] Let them have it.

Speaker 1:
[36:48] Big deal. Let them have it. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[36:51] They're just very much in their own heads. And yeah, they're not really like ignoring her. They're just like in their in their own heads.

Speaker 3:
[36:58] Her face is very animated in this scene, too. Like they they went all in on like her expressions and like her frustration and her sarcasm. And I just love I love Zoe so much.

Speaker 1:
[37:11] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[37:11] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[37:11] Yep.

Speaker 3:
[37:12] And this is this is the one comedic moment that we get, I feel like in this episode that is trying to have a little bit of levity, but showing that like even Zoe's attempts at some levity just cannot break through the mental strain that all of the characters are dealing with right now.

Speaker 1:
[37:27] Yeah. Then we hear the captain over the ship speaker saying that they are approaching Earth. They snap out of it and they're like, oh, you were listening. And they were like, what? They go up to the deck of the ship and they say that they'll be there in 10 minutes or whatever it is. And you know, they're talking about how they can hide behind the moon and do this. But Mark just takes off. He flies down to the planet and he immediately starts rushing around and searching for signs of the Viltrumites and finds absolutely nothing. During this moment, he flies past the city and there's a bus that says Curtis Cliff on it, on letters. And I didn't know what that meant. And I was like, surely that means something. Nothing is accidental in this show. Curtis Cliff. Cliff Curtis. Cliff Curtis is the voice actor who plays Paul.

Speaker 3:
[38:22] Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1:
[38:24] I think it's a fun little nod. I don't know if it's just that whether it's the effects team or the art team or whatever, just kind of giving a shout out to him. Hopefully, it's not his last episode or his last, you know, the send off.

Speaker 2:
[38:35] But it probably.

Speaker 3:
[38:36] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[38:37] But if it is going to miss him, Paul is great.

Speaker 3:
[38:40] Curtis, I've been loving, by the way, the memes after episode seven coming out where people have made memes of like, oh, Thrag's shown up on Earth, but he doesn't know that Paul is there to put up his place. And it's like Paul should have Thrag or something like that. I've loved all of the Paul memes that we've been.

Speaker 2:
[38:57] I like the overlays where they put Paul over, like Paul over like an MMA fighter and then Thrag over an MMA fighter. And Paul's just like, I saw one where it's like the slap, the slap challenge or like where they slap each other. They're so good. I love how much the fan base has like embraced Paul. It's so funny and so good.

Speaker 1:
[39:21] Nolan and Tech Jacket fly up to Invincible and Invincible says, they're not here and Tech Jacket goes, well, now then we get to the Grayson household.

Speaker 3:
[39:33] Wait, I'm so sorry. Ryan, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this in the comic book, the point where Thrag's like, actually, I am here.

Speaker 1:
[39:40] So at this point, Mark would have, in the comic, Mark would have been having multiples of these visions on the way to Earth. He flies down, we are here. Here's the conversation, Nolan is there, this is what's happening, and then he has to deal with that. But while also going on with day-to-day life, we see all the things and it continues on being the comic book type thing. But this is going more as we're talking.

Speaker 2:
[40:08] So as the reader, everything that you see in this episode like Thragg killing Debbie and all the crazy shit that they're doing, we got all of that the way you got the opening scene of this episode where we thought all of that was legit happening until he came to.

Speaker 1:
[40:28] We can talk about this now, I guess, without putting, and we talked about this, without putting a dinosaurus or something else at the end of this episode, this was the only way to do this. And I think this is a really great idea to do this. Why would Thragg show up right away? Why not just make it take time and have Mark freaking out the entire time he's there?

Speaker 3:
[40:48] Yeah, it also, I feel like, adds sort of like this bit of like taking clock to the episode of like, okay, for us knowing that like, you know, the story is they are there and then we cut away from that scene and we don't get Thragg revealing himself. The whole time I was watching it, it was kind of this feeling of like, when are they going to show up again? Because I feel like even if you were a show only watcher, I feel like you have to be expecting some sort of closure with where Thragg is, where the Viltrumites are. So the fact that they withhold that, I think, just adds to the tension of this episode too.

Speaker 1:
[41:20] Yeah. So we're at the Grayson House and Debbie is obviously elated to see Mark. She immediately expresses her concern for Oliver because Mark says that he got hurt, but he's on another planet. He's being taken care of. He'll be fine. But Mark looks up and Thragg is there. He has Debbie by the neck and he rips off her head, and Mark starts to lose focus. His eyes are going in and out of focus. There's the high pitch ringing. It's very uncomfortable.

Speaker 2:
[41:54] He says something like, this is just a small price to pay for what you did to us. So good.

Speaker 1:
[42:04] Debbie snaps him out of it and she wants to know more about what happened. Mark says, no, I have to go see Eve first. Also, dad is outside. He leaves tomorrow. So if there's anything you want to say to him. We cut to outside and Nolan is flying above the house. Mark flies away and Debbie comes out and just goes, what were you thinking? She is mad at Nolan for letting Oliver get hurt and leaving him on another planet. She, you know, he said he was trying. She says, you really are fucking trying right now. And he goes on to say that you would be really proud of Oliver and Mark. They did everything they gave at all to save lives that they'll never see. She continues to be very cold to him. And he says, stop treating me like you don't know me. You need to give me a chance. You will, you believe in rehabilitation.

Speaker 2:
[43:04] You knew me. Please let me show you who I am.

Speaker 1:
[43:07] I just want to finish the sentence that he said.

Speaker 2:
[43:10] I'm going first. As he's saying it, she turns around and she's not really giving him the time of day. But then he super speeds in front of her and she gets scared. That just, already you're off to not a very good start. And then, you know what, Bill, I'm going to let you go first because I can get my final say. Go ahead. You, TJ.,

Speaker 3:
[43:31] I was going to say that this is, this is good for you, Nolan, because it is about time that you stand up for yourself. Because he's just been getting kicked and put down so much and he deserves it, right, to a point. But he's taken his lashes and he's kind of had enough. He's like, shouldn't get off the pot, Deb, like, look at me for who I am, acknowledge that I am changing. You know what I mean? Like, you're the person who to your point, Ryan, what he said was like, you believe in rehabilitation, why can't I be rehabilitated? Like, you need to just see that I'm doing good things. So I'm glad that he finally was strong enough and confident enough in who he was that he can say that to Debbie.

Speaker 1:
[44:18] I disagree with EJ that I think he came on a little too strong and the super speeding in front, it was a little too harsh upfront, but I love that he ends it with, please let me show you who I am now. That's the point. Let me show you. I don't expect you to take me back based on me telling you I'm better now.

Speaker 2:
[44:38] No, that's not what he said, though. So he, super speeds in front of her and he says, he's basically saying like, you have to let me, you have to see what I've been doing. And Bill, you're like, oh, enough is enough. He's taken his lumps. He killed 23,000 people. He came to Earth a little while back in Episode 5 for a very short time and got, like, had gotten to a little spat with Debbie and then left. And now he's back for a couple more minutes and get into another argument with Debbie who doesn't want to talk to him and all of a sudden like, oh, that's enough. There she, I mean, enough is enough. 23,000 people. That's not a big fucking deal. No, fuck you. And the fact that he says, no, no, no, I let you speak. I let you speak. The fact that he says to Debbie, you need to see what I'm doing. That tells me that he's still not in the right headspace. You're supposed to be like redeeming yourself because it's the right thing to do, because you should see that in yourself. You're not redeemed. You shouldn't even care what other people think about you. You do what's right because it's the right thing to do. You don't need any, you shouldn't have to need anybody to see you any certain way.

Speaker 1:
[45:53] So TJ., would you have preferred that they don't work this out, that Nolan is completely irredeemable in the show version and he is just...

Speaker 2:
[46:04] No, I agree with what they did in the show. He's still not redeemed with Debbie. No, he's not.

Speaker 1:
[46:13] This episode ends with he knows that now.

Speaker 2:
[46:15] Exactly. And I love that. I'm not disagreeing with it. I'm saying I do agree with it. I feel like Bill is the one that disagrees with it. Like, oh, come on, Debbie, you need to forgive him.

Speaker 1:
[46:24] I was glad that he's actually saying something now instead of pretending that it's all okay. It is.

Speaker 2:
[46:30] They are turning a corner. You shouldn't say shit.

Speaker 3:
[46:32] They are turning... Who? Nolan?

Speaker 2:
[46:34] Nolan, yeah. Why do you care about what other people think? Do what's right. You continue to do what's right. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3:
[46:42] I agree, but the people that matter the most to Nolan, like you don't have to like me, but you don't have to treat me like fucking shit. When I just went in and saved the universe. No, he doesn't. So then he could be like, fuck you, Debbie, bye. But he's not. He's still trying to like win her over.

Speaker 2:
[46:58] 23,000 people.

Speaker 3:
[47:00] You know what? The Thraxans would have forgiven him already. Okay. The Thraxans would have forgiven him. It's a point of... It's subjective, TJ., and perspective, right? Perspective.

Speaker 1:
[47:10] What did you have, Wyatt?

Speaker 3:
[47:11] I like this scene a lot as a follow up to their scene in episode five because it is like... That scene was Debbie saying like, I never knew you, you're not human. Everything I thought we had was a lie and you killed that. Get the fuck out of my house, right? And he accepts that and leaves. This is him coming back and... But I really love that line of stop pretending that you don't know who I am, specifically because of all of the flashback scenes we've gotten where Nolan is a Viltramite with Debbie. When she is having to convince him at Mark's baseball game, look at the joy on his face. How can you not be happy that you're here? She recognizes, you're not a human being and this isn't normal for you. I'm having to teach you how to be this way. And he starts to become that way. And she watches that happen. There's that scene when he starts cheering for Mark. She's cheering, but then she looks at Nolan being like, you're changing and she does know who he is. And then he did a terrible thing that she didn't know he was going to do. But she does know that. And that's him saying like, listen, I know that I messed up. I know that I did terrible things and we can't just pretend that everything's fine. But it's not the way that you're saying it is where you don't know who I am because you do know who I am. And I'm doing this and I'm still here and I haven't just left forever because I do care about you. And I do want to try and repair this in any way that I can. And he's not saying like, oh, I want to fix this now after she said, like, you can't just fix things with your superpowers. But he's this is him fighting for the relationship that he cares about it and says, I'm not going to walk away from it, which is he is still skirting the line. I agree. The superpowered getting in front is like, well, that's a little too aggressive. Maybe you should be playing a little safer here. But I like that he is showing that he cares enough about the relationship to not just give up on it and walk.

Speaker 2:
[49:06] I disagree, because this episode is all about PTSD. This episode is all about PTSD, okay? Tell me if you disagree with this, Bill, with your house. Okay, you tell me. Okay. Yes. Nolan was such a nice guy. He was so he was he was the hero. He was Superman of this universe. Everybody loved him. You could know there was no anybody that didn't love him, right? Including his family, including Debbie. He was a great father. He was a great person. He was a hero. Then when he did what he did, look what note what Debbie went through. How was Debbie? How do you expect Debbie to sift through what was real and what was not real? The happiness on his face when he held Mark up. How does she know that that was real? So like I disagree a little bit with why it is.

Speaker 1:
[49:55] What are you saying, TJ.?

Speaker 2:
[49:56] That I'm saying that she doesn't know him. He's saying, Debbie, you know me and why it's like, yeah, like you did know him because you saw the transformation that he went through. Yeah, but if I'm Debbie, like I don't know what was real and what wasn't real.

Speaker 1:
[50:08] Yeah, Nolan, but that's Nolan's point exactly. Nolan's argument is that you know the real me, the changed me. That wasn't who I am anymore.

Speaker 2:
[50:15] Yeah, but how does she know what was real?

Speaker 1:
[50:17] The very last thing he says, please let me show you who I am now. This is all saying, let me show you that.

Speaker 2:
[50:25] He's saying, he's not saying, let me show you. He's saying, you should already know who I am. Stop pretending you don't know who I am.

Speaker 1:
[50:36] You will. You believe in rehabilitation. You knew me. Please let me show you who I am now.

Speaker 2:
[50:41] What was the first thing he said? Stop acting. No, no, no.

Speaker 1:
[50:44] Stop acting. Stop treating me like you don't know me.

Speaker 2:
[50:48] Okay. That is a finite definitive now thing, not a future thing. Stop acting like you don't know me. She doesn't know him. When he did what he did, everything that she thought about him went out the window. Now, it's about him proving himself to her. But again, like I'm still caught up in the idea of like, you shouldn't make your rehabilitation have anything to do with Debbie. Debbie doesn't owe you shit. You need to do this. No, she doesn't. And honestly, he could go the rest of 500, 1000, 2000 years of living, saving everybody and not killing another innocent person for as long as he lives and making up for it. And even then, Debbie doesn't have to accept that what you did in Chicago is okay and that you're a better person for it. She doesn't have to do shit.

Speaker 3:
[51:38] That's true, but he can still fight for Debbie. No, this is Nolan fighting for Debbie.

Speaker 1:
[51:44] Debbie doesn't have to do anything. We agree on that.

Speaker 3:
[51:46] Debbie doesn't have to do anything. And she knows she doesn't have to do anything because she said you're not sleeping here. She's still standing up for herself. But I'm just glad that Nolan is finally saying, I'm fighting for you, Debbie. Like, I'm not just going to fly away. I'm not going to fly away and leave you forever. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm doing this specifically because it's the right thing to do and because I love you. And I want you to know that I love you.

Speaker 2:
[52:12] I think that's the disagreement that we're getting with, where you said, I'm just happy that finally, after all this time, all this time, he's finally fighting for himself. It's not finally, it just fucking happened. He just got back to Earth. He's been back to Earth for two minutes here and then two minutes there, and everything needs to be forgiven. Fuck no. He's got a long way to go. He shouldn't be fighting for himself just yet. That's my thought.

Speaker 1:
[52:42] The next scene is the space station where Tech Jacket has arrived at her base. Her dad, Ed, has kind of let himself go. He's become a bit of a mess without her. He's got stains all over, animal crackers stuck to his face. He wants to know what happened, and she says, I wish I knew. Then Mark arrives to Eve's parents' house where she's living. He arrives and Eve is super excited to see him. She hugs him. She's shocked because she thought he had died. And Mark says, don't you know, I'm, and we get the title card. The title card, which completely breaks away its space. And then it kind of flashes to a white with blue font.

Speaker 3:
[53:31] All right. I have a theory, potential spoilers, but I'm not going to spoil it a lot. That's the color of the Coalition costume. Oh, I was going to give a slightly different one. I feel like that is very Flaxen colored. Like a lot of the Flaxens are in white with blue.

Speaker 1:
[53:53] Yes. Oh, so maybe next season is going to be a bit of, of kind of seeing interesting. And so it's playing off of that. That could be cool.

Speaker 3:
[54:06] But yeah, that was, that was, I think one of the first times that the title card.

Speaker 1:
[54:10] What if it's rusting next season? Oh, guys, it's rusting. It's going to be a waste. I just did it.

Speaker 3:
[54:18] You just ruined it for everybody. Now they have to go and change their whole idea because they know that we do this shit. You ruined it, Ryan. I'll say this was the first, I think one of the first title cards where I felt like, I don't really know what the tease is a little bit. It was obviously the blood splatter of the original and then immediately going into like, oh, they're going to reveal the black and blue to then the Invincible War stuff and space now. This was the first one where it was like, interesting. I'm not sure what this is meant to set up. And it might not even necessarily need to set something up. It could just be the color scheme they're going to go for. And there will be some reason for it that we haven't figured out yet.

Speaker 1:
[54:58] Yeah. They sleep together and she mentions that her powers are back. And she's been helping out a lot at home. She put Invincible Ink on hold. And if you haven't noticed, she says that she hasn't really taken care of herself much, referring to her gaining weight. And then there's a pause. And Mark says, Eve, I'm not sure I'm okay. Which again, connects directly to the last thing he said to her when they were sitting on the roof, when Nolan and Alan showed up. He says, I'm not sure I'm okay, but I think I'm getting there. So they've been planting these seeds. Like, look at what happened at the end of Season 2. Then all of Conquest happened. And then like Mark still hasn't really processed or gotten the therapy he needed. And so now here he is again, I'm not sure I'm okay. He tells her about the Viltramites and they could be here. And there's nothing that we can do to stop them.

Speaker 3:
[56:00] How old is Mark? 19 or 20 here. It's like a year or two out of high school, right?

Speaker 1:
[56:05] It's like 19 or 20, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[56:07] He's fucking young to be dealing with like the shit that he's been dealing with. Oh yeah, yeah. That's young.

Speaker 1:
[56:13] Yeah. We see the Pentagon and DA. Sinclair and Daphne have prepared a device. It is the portal and they activate it and they open it and an orange portal opens up. Cecil and Donald are there and everybody's excited that it worked. But suddenly, a bunch of tentacles reach out of it. They kill GDA agents. One of them grabs Sinclair. Donald hesitates to shut it down, kind of unsure of how to do it. Well, Cecil shoots at the tentacles and Daphne just runs away off camera. Donald then punches it and the portal closes, cutting all the tentacles. Cecil says that we're done. No more attempts trying to get to Monstro going robot. It's just too dangerous. They'll have to find their own way home.

Speaker 3:
[57:07] I mean, they could have put the portal in a secure room where they're not standing right next to it in case fucking tentacles come out. But Cecil is going to be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[57:20] It's more secure, though. What if it got out?

Speaker 3:
[57:22] Yeah, yeah, they're going to be there to like kill anything.

Speaker 2:
[57:25] It was outside and it runs away.

Speaker 3:
[57:27] They could have just they could have had a kill switch on it. Like I'm not even in the GDA or a smart guy, but they could have had a kill switch on the thing in a secure room where it closed the portal and nobody would have died.

Speaker 2:
[57:40] But instead, they're just had like a kill ray that would just automatically kill it. I'm not even in the mood.

Speaker 3:
[57:48] TJ is in a mood.

Speaker 1:
[57:49] Wow.

Speaker 3:
[57:51] For the rest of the episode, I'm going to try to agree with TJ.

Speaker 2:
[57:56] You've disagreed with everything this show has done so far.

Speaker 1:
[58:00] What? We now go to Telescrio, where the council is really unhappy with the Viltrimite situation. And Alan is trying to explain it, but they're just not convinced. They say things like, Thetis was a Viltrimite in name only. They accuse him of using the Graysons, well, not accuse him, but kind of praise him, for using the Graysons as a weapon. And one of them says, have you forgotten what they did to Unopa, to your people? Which was a great moment for Alan to kind of like, like you see him really take that. Taliyah encourages him to be more firm with them. And he kind of like stands up for himself and says, I will decide what happens when we find them. Cause their whole stance is that they all need to be eradicated. There's, you know, like we need to find them and what are you gonna do about this? Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[58:55] I think I liked Alan standing up for himself. Did I, did I like it, TJ.?

Speaker 2:
[59:01] Did you like it?

Speaker 1:
[59:02] Upstate University.

Speaker 2:
[59:03] I'm surprised he actually liked something about this episode.

Speaker 3:
[59:06] Oh yeah, I did like it then. Okay, yeah, I liked it.

Speaker 2:
[59:08] That's a change.

Speaker 1:
[59:09] At Upstate University, Mark and Eve are visiting William and Rick, and William cannot believe that they just blew up the planet. And Mark was kind of like, you know, unsure of how to take that, and he turns the corner and sees a bunch of bodies, and Anissa is hovering there, holding William up by his jaw, and she looks at him and then rips his jaw off, killing him. Eve snaps him out of it, and she notices that he's having another, one of these moments where, you know, it's kind of, the focus is going crazy, and the music kicks in. So they go and sit down. Then we get a second with Rick and William, where Rick says that, you know, Mark is still processing all of this, and he recognizes this, because he has seen it in himself. Yeah. Now at the Realty Office, Debbie is talking to Paul about Oliver and how she can't believe that they just left him there, and that, you know, she's always been there for him in these situations, and she wishes she could be there. And Paul's like, well, why don't you? Why don't you go to space? He says, all that stuff, that's your world. And that's just maybe another reason why things didn't work out for us. And they talk about how they're still friends. Like, it's OK.

Speaker 2:
[60:37] I thought that was a good way to just like, it's out there and it's done with it. But it wasn't like, we come back and we never get Paul again. And he's like, oh, yeah, it just didn't work out. Paul was still in the episode. And it was just a quick way to like wrap that up and him still. It was a clean break.

Speaker 3:
[60:55] And well, and I much prefer this because of Paul being like such a nice guy to the boys and just being part of the family the past like two seasons, really. I prefer this over in the comics. If you remember, we cut back to Debbie and she's just on the phone being like, come pick up your stuff. And she's like, they're like yelling at each other over the phone. And that seems like this very like toxic breakup happened between them in the comics. So to have him here still supporting her, like still encouraging her to, you know, do the right things for herself. Love that. Love that. There is a moment in the movie Serendipity where John Cusack is about to get married and Kate Beckinsale goes and tries to stop the wedding and she's like, you know, the guy's there, he's like, oh, the wedding already stopped. He ended it, you know, not knowing that he was ever gonna see Kate Beckinsale again, he still ended it with his fiance because he knew that he wasn't in love with her. I love that because it justifies Kate Beckinsale and John Cusack getting together without the guilt of like him leaving his fiance for Kate Beckinsale, right? Like he just left because it was the right thing to do. This was the same way where I feel like it would kind of suck if she left Paul because of Nolan.

Speaker 1:
[62:09] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[62:10] As well as them just leaving each other because of nothing that had to do with a relationship that she wanted. It just didn't work out for them. I like that a whole lot. It reminded me of serendipity. I suppose that they planted the seeds of that with all of the scenes of Paul being uncomfortable that the boys were there and being uncomfortable in the car ride when they're flying the car around. You know what I mean? Those were just little comedic bits that we got over the past two seasons. But now it feels like they knew kind of all along that they wanted to treat this as a just mutual breakup, they have different lives, and that those moments planted the seeds for that. Very cool.

Speaker 1:
[62:49] And it's not like we've never seen a relationship between a superhero and a non-superhero and them not being in the same world and like this working out like that that's season two. It ends with Paul saying, You're as much, you're as much of, your world is as much of aliens and superheroes as Mark and Oliver, you just don't see it. Which I thought was an interesting call back to the Nolan-Debbie conversation, but we don't have to get into that. Then sitting on the roof of the house, Mark and Eve are eating bergamot. Eve misses flying, she hasn't been flying since her powers, and she missed that feeling. She goes to Mark and says, I know what happened with my powers. She goes to tell him and Thrag grabs her, and he holds her up by the neck as Mark starts to panic. The focus thing happens again, the heartbeat is louder now, and he says, did you not imagine that there would be consequences for everyone you loved? He puts his thumb through her eye, and pops out her other eye, and throws her onto the roof, and it's horrific, and Mark is in a really uncomfortable state, but she snaps him out of it. He apologizes and says, sorry, what were you going to say? Which I feel like would have been easy for a show to just be like, nothing, and they just move on, which I almost thought they might have done, because I thought we might still get the immortal and duplicate scene. But no, she pushes through and says that she had the abortion. Mark is kind of confused by what she's saying, and she wants to say it all. So she goes on to tell him that she wanted him to focus on staying alive. That's why she didn't tell him before he left. But she was so alone and she didn't know what to do. Mark comes to realize what she is saying, begins to cry, and holds her and says, I'm so sorry, I did this to you. I should have been here.

Speaker 3:
[65:02] This is the kind of thing that I'm talking about. Like this guy just went on to war with a race of super beings, destroyed their planet and for what? Like didn't really accomplish anything. And then the thing that you went out to do that didn't accomplish anything, resulted in the love of your life, aborting a child because you weren't there. Like it's just one thing after another, after another, and I feel so bad that I just wanted him to do something funny. I'm so sorry, Mark, I'm so sorry that you're going through this.

Speaker 1:
[65:37] It's so heavy. It's so heavy and you feel so bad for him.

Speaker 3:
[65:41] Shout out to the performances here. Jillian Jacobs, like her performance through all of it when she's trying to almost like psych herself up to just finally tell Mark. I think there's a scene where she's just like, fuck, fuck, fuck, like trying to get a hold of how to say this. It's so raw. Yeah, it's great. Incredible performances throughout this whole episode, but that moment specifically, I think she did an amazing job.

Speaker 1:
[66:10] Yeah. We are now at the mountainside where Nolan beat Mark at the end of Season 1. We hear those lines from the finale, all those callback lines, and then Cecil arrives. I love the dialogue back and forth here. I mean, the whole thing, but just that, you think this is a good idea, coming to Earth or this specific spot, and then Nolan says, you don't have to be afraid of me, and Cecil says, I will never not be afraid of you, then Nolan apologizes for all the suffering that he has caused, and Cecil says, Earth or this specific spot?

Speaker 3:
[66:53] And it's like, ah, that's so cool.

Speaker 1:
[66:57] He's so cool.

Speaker 2:
[66:59] I thought this dialogue was really good too, because I think they were like kind of both in the wrong and several points in this conversation, because there's a point where after this, I'm kind of getting, I'll continue the conversation, where they're talking about like, he's like, I assume that everything is all taken care of in space. We're all good to go. Like everything's stopped. And Nolan's like, yeah, we won the war. We did good, but there's still 40 Viltrumites out there. And Cecil's like, what the fuck? So they know where we live. They know all the people that you love live here on Earth. They're gonna come here. Like, what the fuck? And he's like, oh, it sounds like you did. He says something very condescending and sarcastic. He's like, sounds like great job out there. You did a great job. When Cecil doesn't know what the fuck they went through and all the craziness, just how powerful Thrag is. So I felt like he was very much out of line there. But then at the same time, Nolan was out of line at the end of this conversation. But I'll let Ryan grab that too.

Speaker 1:
[68:04] Yeah. All that happens, he talks about the early warning system that will alert the coalition, and then he's gonna leave. And if there's a Viltrumite detected, they'll be here soon, but not soon enough. Cecil says that they better come quick if that happens, but for now, get the fuck off my planet. Nolan stands up and was like, yo, I risked my life for this and nearly died. And that's when Cecil's like, do that 2,341 more times.

Speaker 2:
[68:32] You're goddamn right.

Speaker 1:
[68:33] Open, yeah, almost die that many more times, and then that'll be set in the air, and then that's something. Yeah, badass. Cecil, man, awesome.

Speaker 3:
[68:44] He's the coolest. He's the coolest. And like the fact that, again, he admits like, yeah, he's never going to not be terrified of Nolan. Like Nolan was, I think before Conquest showed up, the biggest threat that the planet had faced. And like Cecil kind of knew that he had no chance of stopping him, and it was really up to mark in that moment. And like, he rightfully is kind of establishing with Nolan that their relationship will never be anything like it was before because of that. Like, yeah, Cecil's great.

Speaker 1:
[69:15] Back at the house, the Grayson house, Mark is sitting there and he's struggling with, you know, the Viltrumites still, and still kind of panicking and not himself. And he talks about how he doesn't see an end to this, either they're here and there's nothing they can do, or they're somewhere else and I'm going to have to leave you again. And I can't do that. I can't do that to you. This isn't going to work. And this is when it's like, like you're starting to like get really scared for him because he's just not doing well. And he's saying that it's not fair. And Eve's like, Mark, stop. This is my choice. I know the risks. And she says that not taking the risks with you is not how I want to live. And who knows, maybe next time I'll be the one to go to space next. And then, you know, he feels a bit better about that. They embrace and no one calls them down. No one is leaving. And then Debbie walks out because she's the one going to space next. And I like that little kind of one, two punch. She walks out with her luggage and says, what kind of parent would I be if I wasn't there for Oliver? She's leaving the house to Mark and Eve. She says to contact Paul if she needs anything. She's prepaid all the bills. There's a moment where no one has to carry her to the ship. She's still very cold with him. But you know.

Speaker 3:
[70:43] Love that moment so much where he's like, the ship can't land, so I'm going to have to. And he just kind of puts his hands out and she hands him the suitcase first, being like, hold this, like valet. You know what I mean? Great little moment where like he's still very much like, I know you don't want to do this, but like if you want to go and that's what we have to do.

Speaker 2:
[71:07] It was a small part of me. I wanted her to be like, Mark, do you mind like for just fucking flying me up real quick?

Speaker 3:
[71:14] I hope that like is setting the tempo for more awkward scenes between the two of them in the future. That's what I'm looking forward to as their relationship develops in whatever way it's going to and wherever they take it. I love that we get this awkwardness where Nolan has now made his claim that he's sticking around, he cares about this, he doesn't want to go away. Debbie is still like, no, but she'll you.

Speaker 1:
[71:38] I'll say it now. I hope next season, if not more, is the work. It is time now to see the work and now it's going to take all of that. I'm excited to see what they're going to do. That is going to be new territory for the comic and for, yeah, that's going to be cool.

Speaker 3:
[71:55] I think it's going to be similar to Oliver and Nolan on the Planet. It was a full episode of them working through it. I think that that's an appropriate amount of time to spend.

Speaker 1:
[72:06] I think it will be most of the season, if not the whole season. I think it will be a lot.

Speaker 2:
[72:11] It needs to be.

Speaker 1:
[72:12] Again, we'll see how much of a time jump there is, but we'll see. I also love that we can't say we called this, but we talked about this likely being a reason, but she's going for Oliver, which is a perfect setup, of course. They've done so much to strengthen that relationship. I know TJ, you especially called it out. Episode 1, within the first two minutes, it's that hug, making coffee, like the Oliver-Debbie relationship is awesome, and so it kind of supports that.

Speaker 2:
[72:43] I think she even said when she came out with her luggage, I think it was at that point where she said to Mark, I would go for you. Oliver is no different. He is fully her son.

Speaker 1:
[72:56] Yeah. Donald rings the doorbell to interrupt, and then we see back up on the ship. We've got the sensor systems turning on, and Nolan wants Debbie to come see the view. She puts her book down, and we get a really great shot that I can't believe they spoiled for everybody, of them standing on the ship, and you see Earth, and it does look awesome. Nolan kind of starts to reach out his hand towards her, and then stops himself, which again, so great. Perfect. Leave it.

Speaker 3:
[73:27] I feel like it was the right thing to do.

Speaker 1:
[73:29] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[73:29] It was the right thing to do. We're all like, no, Nolan, don't push it. Don't do it.

Speaker 1:
[73:33] Don't do it.

Speaker 3:
[73:33] And then you threw it away, we're like, okay, good.

Speaker 1:
[73:35] Yep. Now we're at the Pentagon, where Donald has, with the reason why Donald showed up at the house. Mark is sitting in the office, and Cecil is not thrilled with his outcome about the Viltromites still being out there somewhere, and he wants a debrief with Donald. Yeah, I'm going to do it now. Again, the Battle Beast thing, like we all kind of hoped there would be a little bit of a hey, conquest. So again, I guess it could still happen next season or the next interaction was kind of hoping to see something like that. I know we all talked about that, but again, maybe it'll come up later. Hopefully it does. It didn't really in the comic book, but you know, we'll see. I know there's a lot going on in Mark's head right now, but and it could have felt out of place in this moment.

Speaker 3:
[74:29] So yeah, I think that Mark is dealing with so much that his anger towards Cecil or his mistrust now of Cecil isn't something that's at like the forefront of what he needs to express to Cecil. I hope that we see that and I think we will see that factor into Mark's decisions next season about what he decides to do. And I think we'll get some moments of him saying like, I know Cecil is helping me. I know that I'm able to be in this therapy session or whatever because Cecil has helped and that he may even be listening. But like I can't truly trust him like because of these things. And that could be an opportunity for him to bring that up and see that their relationship is fractured in a way because of it. Yeah, I think he knows who Cecil is. So he doesn't need to spend any more time being like, dude, you left fucking ConQuest alive. Like, you know what I mean? To your point wide, I think there's more important things that are like eating away at Mark right now that he doesn't have to confront Cecil about it.

Speaker 1:
[75:35] But in that moment, Thrag stabs through Cecil and then tosses his body aside and looks at Mark and says, there's nothing anyone can do to stop us. Each one of these, it gets more and more intense with the heartbeat and the focusing and going out of focus. Mark is now straight on hyperventilating and can't breathe. He says to Cecil, you know how a long time ago, you said you had people I could talk to. Cecil gets the hint and says, yeah, we can do that. Donald, can you drive him home? Yeah. So at the house, there's some really great still shots kind of cycling through, showing the house being completely empty. Mark is sitting alone on his bed. Eve comes over and he says, I have lived here my entire life and it has never been this quiet. God, it's so sad. It's so sad. Like, it's just really depressing. Eve just can sense this and she's like, maybe you should just go for a flight. And he says that he doesn't want to. And she's like, maybe that's why you should, you know, just go fly around. We get the song Fragments from the Decade by Death Cab for Cutie. As Mark begins to fly around the planet, he goes high up into the atmosphere, pauses for a minute, looks down on earth and then just lets go. And he kind of falls through the clouds and then begins to fly again. And I like that, I like that he didn't like fly up there, you know, take a deep breath and then like smile, like, yeah, everything's going to be okay. He just kind of like stares and then just kind of gives himself a moment to fall.

Speaker 2:
[77:31] Yeah, that's kind of becoming a trademark for him too. Like as he's deep in thought or like whether it's positive or negative or whether he's in a good headspace or a negative headspace, like just flying up and then just allowing himself to like fall and then kind of catching himself and flying off. He's done that a couple of times throughout the series.

Speaker 3:
[77:50] It feels very symbolic in this moment that he is just like, he knows that he has to just kind of surrender to everything that's happening and just like kind of that he's not in control of all of this and that he just has to kind of let go of some things. How scarring is it going to be that like this moment of him flying is supposed to allow him to clear his head to not focus on the things that aren't true and that he's creating. And then it's fucking validated by being like Thrags there.

Speaker 2:
[78:22] There's no hope for him.

Speaker 1:
[78:24] There is Thrag in front of him and the same thing happens. He loses focus, it gets blurry, the heartbeat picks up and he closes his eyes. And like you said, it's this moment to like, it's not real, it's not real. It hasn't been real. He opens his eyes and it's Thrag. Thrag remains. Yes, we are here. Good line, good way to deliver it. It's an incredible moment in the comic to say, yes, we are here and have that punch. But for it to be the moment he opens his eyes and he's still there, then give that line, oh, god.

Speaker 3:
[79:03] This, like now that we're getting here, this feels like this is the big battle of this finale of this episode. It's just Mark's trauma. And like, yeah, exactly. It is the situation that Thrag is imposing on to Mark, given that he is already dealing with this PTSD to the point where he's finally agreed to like start talking to somebody to go into therapy about it. Like, yeah, it is like, this is the showdown between the two of them. And it doesn't have to be a fight. It is like, the actual circumstances.

Speaker 1:
[79:33] As we've been talking about this whole time, the big fight of this whole thing is a fight in his mind. It's a fight, you know, it's a fight in his mental. It's just insane. He immediately flies through him or flies up to him and punches him. He is absolutely unfazed. He keeps trying to punch him. He's either dodging or just taking it. Eventually, he just pushes Mark away and says, stop. He hasn't done anything to earth. And he won't as long as he listens. Mark asks what he wants. Thrag says that there are 37 Ultramites left, more than enough to destroy earth. He says, you took our home, so our home is now here. Let me explain your future to you.

Speaker 2:
[80:22] That line is one of the ones. It's one of the two that I wrote down. Obviously, we know the other one coming up. But let me explain your future. Oh, that's such a good line.

Speaker 1:
[80:35] We will live among you. We will disappear. We will use these people to birth our salvation. Any attempt to stop this will result in the death of billions. I offer a truce. We will not affect earth in any way. As long as we are undisturbed. Do you and your planet accept my terms? And yeah, I mean, during that, during the speech, we see Earth, we see Lucan walking in the suit among people. We see Anissa in the red skirt walking by and people cat-calling her. And we get Krieg with his eye patch as a biker on the bike, wasting no time.

Speaker 3:
[81:22] Yeah, he's already got a lady.

Speaker 1:
[81:24] Yeah, and so, yeah, do you accept my terms? And Mark is like pushing back. The heartbeat is still thumping now at this point. Sorry, sorry.

Speaker 2:
[81:35] My, my, my, the other line. And I think out of everything that happened this season, all the great dialogue we get in this fucking show, I think it's my favorite line of the entire season is you do not have a choice and yet you must still make one.

Speaker 1:
[81:51] Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2:
[81:53] A good line. That line like stuck with me after watching it for the first time. Oh, I love that.

Speaker 3:
[81:58] In a way, like it shows that like Thrag, Thrag fully understands what he is asking of Mark and how much he knows Mark would want to resist this. And it feels like Thrag is like, listen, we will do this either way. Like, yeah, he is, I feel like Thrag is 50-50 in what he expects Mark to say and that he's expecting like, yeah, you could decide to start fighting me and I'll kill you and then we'll kill a bunch of people and just enslaved the ones that we need to use to reproduce. Like, and like he's just kind of stating the facts for Mark of like, this is now the situation you're in.

Speaker 1:
[82:32] Yeah. Mark says, no, no, never. My answer is, and you see all the flashes, the visions of death that he's been seeing all episode. And then there's a quiet, peaceful moment where the birds are chirping and you see Eve turn. And there's that quiet moment of her. And then he says, my answer is yes. And then I love this line Thrag says, the universe is strange in a way, you've become our savior, willing or not. Yeah. And Mark says, he starts to fly away. And Mark says, what have I done? And Thrag says, you have saved the lives of every living being. You won't hear from me.

Speaker 2:
[83:13] I wanna break that down. Cause he was flying.

Speaker 1:
[83:16] Let me just end the end. And it zooms out, there's that small moment, he looks small among the sky, and there's this shaky breath, and then it cuts to black.

Speaker 2:
[83:25] Yeah. So Thrag was flying away. And as quietly as Mark said it under his breath, like, what have I done? Thrag stopped and turned around. And I felt like this was such a sympathetic moment from Thrag. I kind of took it as uncharacteristic, beautifully uncharacteristic of Thrag. It was kind of his way of putting his arm around Mark and be like, what you have done for your people, you just saved the lives of billions of people. This is something that you have done for your people that I couldn't do for mine. Like, such a good... And I think that was in how I got that, was from the fucking line delivery of LePace. It was so sympathetic. Oh, I loved it so much.

Speaker 3:
[84:11] I love that as well, because it feels like... I feel like Kirkman does this a lot where you do the typical superhero line or thing of like, Mark just saved the planet. And it's like a terrible decision that he's just made. You know what I mean? But he technically, as the superhero Invincible, just saved the world. And it's like, that's factually true. And it's also this terrible deal that he has just made that's going to, again, to Bill's point, like his his PTSD and his trauma is just going to get worse from this that we know. And but you just saved the world. Like that's such a fun like play on a superhero trope. You know what I mean for this terrible moment for Mark.

Speaker 1:
[84:51] Oh, man. I can't wait to see what people think of this episode, because again, we're recording this before it's public. I'm so excited to see how the world reacts to this one. Our post credit scene is Alan. Alan is overwhelmed by all the paperwork and even says that maybe Thedas let Thrag kill him. Taliyah brings Alan a message from Thedas from beyond the grave. And he's like, don't you want to see it? She says, I'll just sex it out of you later. And he would very much like to see that. This message from Thedas is that in the event of his death, he's entrusting Alan to this great secret and that all viltramite life must be ended, must remove all viltramites. And in order to do that, he reveals to him the perfected scourge virus. He hesitated to use it because it could also affect species with similar DNA like humans. But, you know, it needs to be used. And it ends with him telling Alan, you must use it, essentially. And you see Alan looking at the scourge virus, and it cuts to black in credits.

Speaker 2:
[86:07] Which we know from Thedas' perspective would have likely also included Nolan and Mark in that. So, very cool way to end the season of being like, well, is Alan going to go bad now? Or what's going on with Alan? And he has this weapon. And yeah.

Speaker 3:
[86:25] It's a great setup for the, I feel like, what will be a big thing that they explore next season. Whereas last season, the post credits was teasing the hell episode of, and we've gotten different teases, different types before. This very much feels like, hey, in terms of a moral dilemma that next season will be about, this is going to be at the center of, at least a big part of it in my mind.

Speaker 1:
[86:48] Yeah, definitely. All right, guys, that does it for Season 4, Episode 8 and Season 4 of Invincible. But we do have to do our doodles for this episode. Every episode, we doodle a little doodle on a dry erase board, something from the episode and reveal it to each other. I will tell you guys, last week may have been my best of the season, and this one is probably my worst.

Speaker 3:
[87:16] Ryan, before you got on, I told Wyatt T. Jones, mine is fucking terrible. Mine's very bad.

Speaker 1:
[87:23] There's nothing to doodle.

Speaker 3:
[87:24] I'll say, I started to draw Krieg with the eye patch because that's just a fun one. But after Ryan did Krieg so good last episode, I knew I wasn't living up to that, so I decided not to do that. Yeah, it was very hard to pick things because it's so emotionally heavy this episode. Who's happy with their drawing? TJ, of course.

Speaker 2:
[87:45] I struggled with mine a little bit, but I am happy with how it came out. But I also took time on this one.

Speaker 1:
[87:52] My only options other than what I did were looking down at the cracked mountain with the shadow of Omni Man over it. I was like, oh, that's cool. Tried it, didn't look anything like it. Then the portal with the tentacles. Those are the only things I thought of other than this one.

Speaker 3:
[88:09] Ryan, since you said that, because that's what I kind of drew.

Speaker 1:
[88:14] Okay, let's see.

Speaker 3:
[88:17] I think my favorite scene was the back and forth between Cecil and them standing in front of the crater.

Speaker 1:
[88:24] You know what? I know we do doodles. We do doodles. Maybe next season we need to bring MVP from Battle Beast into this. Because you just said that was your favorite scene. I want to know everybody's favorite scene or line. We'll play with that.

Speaker 3:
[88:37] That's what I always thought the doodle was. I always thought the doodle was like...

Speaker 1:
[88:40] Sometimes you do whatever you can do.

Speaker 3:
[88:43] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[88:46] Somebody remind us for next season. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[88:48] So here's my... It's so bad. And I spent time trying to get it right.

Speaker 2:
[88:54] Trying to get the scale right.

Speaker 1:
[88:57] Oh, that's not bad at all. Are you kidding?

Speaker 2:
[88:59] That's good.

Speaker 3:
[89:00] You did capture the scale. And that's something that I really liked about that scene is you got a feeling that the crater was like this massive like side of a mountain.

Speaker 1:
[89:09] No, that's great.

Speaker 3:
[89:10] Thanks, guys.

Speaker 2:
[89:11] Thanks for making me feel better.

Speaker 1:
[89:12] I'll go next.

Speaker 3:
[89:13] It was pretty terrible. I'll go next because mine's very basic and one of my weaker doodles loved the scene of him. We talked about a lot flying and then just choosing to fall. And you see just his little silhouette go in front of the sun. So I drew like a very basic version of that.

Speaker 1:
[89:29] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[89:32] Are we all going to have little people on scale and perspective in our drawings? I hope so. No.

Speaker 2:
[89:37] Ryan, did you draw the view of Earth, Nolan and Debbie?

Speaker 1:
[89:43] No, no, that's way too complicated. Two people. Yeah, I wasn't going to do it. Did you? No. I will tell you, I drew a very Ryan thing. It's an object. Very simple. Took me five seconds.

Speaker 3:
[89:57] There was no wine in this episode, so it can't be wine. I don't remember any food. Even Mark's clothes on the floor as they were doing it.

Speaker 1:
[90:06] Nope. I'm going to show you. Last thing you see.

Speaker 3:
[90:09] Oh, nice.

Speaker 2:
[90:11] Dude, I almost did it. I was very close. I even sketched it out and everything. That's funny.

Speaker 3:
[90:16] Ryan, really good job on making it look like a tube by putting the circles around at the top.

Speaker 1:
[90:20] Thank you. Yeah, good job.

Speaker 3:
[90:22] It's a good cylinder right there.

Speaker 1:
[90:24] Yeah, it's a cylinder, guys. It's among the quickest doodles I've ever done. In fact, I had to get a green marker from work because I'm like, if I don't have something, if there's no green in this, it's nothing. It's just a couple lines.

Speaker 3:
[90:38] Yes. All right.

Speaker 2:
[90:42] For the finale, I wanted to do a powerhouse character. We didn't talk about her much and I don't even really know her name, but I went with.

Speaker 3:
[90:53] Oh, nice.

Speaker 2:
[90:56] I even tried looking her up in the post credits to find her name, and it just says coalition representative.

Speaker 1:
[91:03] I thought it gave a name. I could have sworn it gave a name.

Speaker 3:
[91:06] It did. She did actually open her eyes for the first time. Because we always ever see her with the little slits, once she got really pissed off.

Speaker 1:
[91:19] I don't want to say it's like representative Aliyah or something. I feel like he says it in the comic. I don't know. But yeah, that does it. You guys want to give some, I feel like we can't give predictions. I feel like we can't. If we do, we just want to say.

Speaker 2:
[91:34] We're going to make a whole episode out of that.

Speaker 1:
[91:35] Yeah, it's going to be a whole episode, guys, but we always do it. Just say one thing, just one thing that you're excited to see in season 5.

Speaker 3:
[91:44] Dinosauris.

Speaker 1:
[91:46] Shocking.

Speaker 3:
[91:48] Robot and Monster Girl.

Speaker 2:
[91:49] Ooh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[91:51] Typical.

Speaker 1:
[91:53] Typical.

Speaker 3:
[91:56] Just trying to think of an assaulting, insulting word for everybody since Ryan made me feel bad about mine.

Speaker 2:
[92:03] This may stretch because it's kind of putting my idea of how far the comic is going to go. I'm going to say bulletproof.

Speaker 1:
[92:14] Nice. I will say boring.

Speaker 3:
[92:18] I'm just it's the theme I'm doing. It's the theme I'm doing.

Speaker 1:
[92:21] What's my what's my word though?

Speaker 3:
[92:23] Oh, it's going to be the worst.

Speaker 1:
[92:24] It's going to be. I already said it.

Speaker 3:
[92:25] What did you say?

Speaker 1:
[92:26] I already missed it. It's a bummer. Powerplex. Oh, yeah, because it's likely going to be that. So we'll see.

Speaker 3:
[92:35] It's really good.

Speaker 1:
[92:36] You know what?

Speaker 3:
[92:36] That's really good. I'd love to see that. I'm going to go back and revise mine, actually. One thing I really do hope that I'll take robot monster girl. I don't take that one is the Ryan one. You should take that one. I really want to see Mark actually in therapy. I hope that it's not that we get lines about like, oh, I just came back from a session like I want to see him sitting and talking with somebody about these things, especially because that's new to it isn't something that happens in the comics. Like, I really want to see that explored. And like, I feel like that is a way for them to like give Mark scenes where he can talk about why he's going to do what he's going to do in this season and future seasons. That like, I hope we get some some really cool therapy sections where we get to see Steven Young really dig into the character even more, you know, for the audience.

Speaker 1:
[93:24] What that means for next season, we are going to save for our full thoughts on what season 5 could be, because that's really cool, Ann. All right, that does it. Thank you all for listening, watching, joining us for our season 4 coverage. We've got so much more though, guys. We've got invincible versus, we're going to be doing more episodes on the Battle Beast comic, Capes. We've got our conversation with Robert Kirkman. That doesn't end there. We're going to be doing a lot more. So keep it tuned to the Invincible Podcast and thank you all for joining us. Remember, you can email us at demonschoolpodcast at gmail.com. Find us everywhere online and we'll see you next time. Thanks.

Speaker 3:
[94:03] Bye.

Speaker 1:
[94:04] Bye. What's up, everybody, and welcome to The Invincible Podcast. I'm one of your hosts, Ryan, and I am joined today by Wyatt.

Speaker 3:
[94:34] Hey, guys.

Speaker 1:
[94:35] And I'm starting over, because it felt weird to just go right into it. And I was-

Speaker 3:
[94:41] I was gonna say, I was gonna say, I don't know if you normally do that or not.

Speaker 1:
[94:44] I felt good, and it wasn't because of the poop, but I'm not gonna say it's not because of the poop.

Speaker 3:
[94:53] I was busy, I was busy all throughout the intro. I was trying to get as many poops in there as I possibly could.

Speaker 1:
[95:01] You've got so many in there. It was more of like, I wasn't even reading off of that. It was more of like, what is he doing over there? How many is he gonna put in the doc? All right. All right.