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Speaker 1:
[00:00] The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

Speaker 2:
[00:02] We should try all things, fail at many, many of them, discover what you love. Also, I'm speaking as someone who doesn't have children. I've never had kids, so like, your listeners might be like, she doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about. Well, that's a great impression of them.

Speaker 1:
[00:15] That is how they talk. I'm Sabrina.

Speaker 3:
[00:31] I'm Natasha.

Speaker 4:
[00:32] I'm Cherie.

Speaker 2:
[00:33] I'm Jean.

Speaker 4:
[00:34] And we are Good Enough.

Speaker 1:
[00:37] Welcome. You might be wondering why the intro was that way, and the reason why is because, guys, we did it. We've secured the financial geniuses, right? They've got a Forbes called your podcast the number one best, which is-

Speaker 4:
[00:51] We hit number one top business podcast.

Speaker 1:
[00:53] Yeah, which is what we hit, I think, number 30. Forbes list of people to avoid. It's the Tiger Sisters. They're here. They are not queer, and they do not have kids, but guess what they do have?

Speaker 3:
[01:08] Financial advice?

Speaker 1:
[01:09] They have financial advice, and they also know what it is to be a child that reaches the heights of- I'd be happy with my kids went to Stanford or Harvard.

Speaker 3:
[01:18] They have way more degrees than us.

Speaker 1:
[01:20] They have way more degrees than our kids.

Speaker 3:
[01:22] I have a BA in theater criticism from a city university in New York.

Speaker 1:
[01:30] Who told you to major in that?

Speaker 3:
[01:31] I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[01:32] Theater criticism?

Speaker 3:
[01:33] But it actually kind of worked for like, and now I critique society on stage. So it's not that far off, Sabrina. Sorry, I'm not from Canada.

Speaker 1:
[01:42] The idea of learning how to criticize theater.

Speaker 3:
[01:46] I mean, it's a lost art. I'm old. It was one of the options.

Speaker 1:
[01:50] But why criticize?

Speaker 3:
[01:52] Criticism. It's like to be, I thought I was going to be like a theater reviewer or something.

Speaker 1:
[01:56] Well, now I'm so happy, but now you're the theater.

Speaker 2:
[01:58] We're in the age of AI and AR prompt writing. It's like all back to the liberal arts nowadays.

Speaker 3:
[02:03] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1:
[02:04] I'm not smart enough to follow what just happened.

Speaker 3:
[02:07] Did you even go to college?

Speaker 1:
[02:09] Yeah, I did.

Speaker 3:
[02:10] What was your major?

Speaker 1:
[02:11] Radio and television production.

Speaker 3:
[02:13] Okay, radio production. I know.

Speaker 1:
[02:16] I'm in a glass house throwing radio stones.

Speaker 3:
[02:20] So girls, what did you major in? What did you guys major in?

Speaker 4:
[02:22] I studied computer science in undergrad.

Speaker 1:
[02:25] All right.

Speaker 2:
[02:26] I majored in economics modified with Chinese with a minor in environmental studies.

Speaker 1:
[02:31] Say that in Chinese. I know that it's supposed to say Mandarin when I said that.

Speaker 3:
[02:37] And did you both know that's because like right now, we both have college funds for our kids and the kids are like, do I have to go to college? And my daughter's like, can I still have the money if I don't go to college?

Speaker 1:
[02:46] Oh my God. Wolfie just asked me that yesterday.

Speaker 3:
[02:48] Yeah. Like they're like not. And then a lot of the parents who at my kid's school, they're all like, I don't want my kid to go to college. They don't need college. Was it just something you were raised with? Like, did you always know you were going to go to? Cause that was actually something my mom told me. She said I had to go to college. I paid for it, too, which was kind of fair.

Speaker 4:
[03:06] Yeah, absolutely. I feel like college was part of the roadmap that was given to us at birth, because education is such a big part of our family's identity, our identity as a way to get out of any situation that you're in. And also coming from immigrant families who moved to the US. And education was the only way for socioeconomic mobility to either rise up and have the American dream. And it was so ingrained in us. And we can get into how much pressure it was. But you needed to go to a good school. And if it's not Ivy League, what are you doing?

Speaker 3:
[03:43] Really? So what should I do when I tell my daughter, she's eight, she reads, I'm like, okay, time for your 20 minutes of reading today. And she's like, I don't want to read. Reading's boring. I hate it. Will you read to me? What would you say to your kid? Or what did your parents say to you when you didn't want to do your homework?

Speaker 2:
[03:59] I mean, I was the type of kid who literally, this is going to make, I'm like blowing myself up. My parents would say to me, stop reading. Like literally, I wouldn't, seriously, they'd be like, stop reading. I would be walking on the street and reading.

Speaker 3:
[04:15] This is making me feel worse. No.

Speaker 1:
[04:17] I know.

Speaker 3:
[04:18] Honestly, our kids have already decided they're not going to.

Speaker 1:
[04:21] Give up the dream, Natasha. It's not happening.

Speaker 2:
[04:25] I mean, but for me, it was like a form of like escapism, right? Like being in a book was the way I could be in my own world at any time. So I don't know if that's necessary.

Speaker 1:
[04:35] It's also like free cell phones. I'm kind of like similar generation. So from the outside, looking in to what's going on with parents, what would you say is like something that you're like, why are you doing this? Or what is unattractive about the world of parenting to you?

Speaker 2:
[04:54] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[04:55] Well, I think before getting into that, I just want to say to make you feel better, I'm the opposite of Jean. Like she was the A plus. I mean, that's also been really hard.

Speaker 1:
[05:04] But she only went to Harvard.

Speaker 4:
[05:06] Well, she went to Harvard.

Speaker 1:
[05:07] But I only went to Stanford.

Speaker 4:
[05:08] But I don't know, I've always been, I always felt like I was living in Jean's shadow because she was such a good student. I'm like, oh my God, how do I compete with my older sister? Is it a competition at all? Or, I mean, I always looked up to her, but that was really tough. I didn't read as much as her. And I was just like, this is hard, this is tough. I think audio books with like actual books in front of you.

Speaker 3:
[05:29] Oh, that's interesting. I never even thought of that.

Speaker 1:
[05:32] Okay, we have unblocked.

Speaker 3:
[05:33] Oh my God.

Speaker 4:
[05:34] I would do that with Harry Potter books. And this was kind of when I was a little too young to even be reading chapter books. But it was when I had the Jim Dale audio and he's reading it in a British accent, fun voices, and I'm following along.

Speaker 2:
[05:48] This is literally how she learned to read. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[05:50] But I feel like my daughter would be like, well, why would I follow along if they're just reading it to me?

Speaker 4:
[05:53] They do funny voices. And it's much more animated. And it was like British accent.

Speaker 1:
[05:57] It is gratifying to see the words in front of you, as everyone said. Don't you think that would work in marriage, too, if you had something very specific to tell your partner? You'd be like, I don't like when you... And it's written down and you're saying it?

Speaker 3:
[06:11] To be honest, whenever my husband and I have something big I need to talk to him about, I write notes, I write a bunch of notes and I schedule a phone call. I do it when he's out of town so I can just read it all. Because it's like always...

Speaker 1:
[06:23] There's the theater critic.

Speaker 3:
[06:24] You've told me stuff before. You've told me great stuff and I'm like, I just don't... I'm very emotional, but I'm not articulate about it. And so I want to have my points, so yeah, I always do that.

Speaker 1:
[06:38] That's very academic.

Speaker 4:
[06:39] And then I have another tactical piece of advice on reading, taken from the local library that Jean and I would spend time with.

Speaker 1:
[06:48] I like that you're humanizing the library. I love the library.

Speaker 3:
[06:52] I love the library too. It's pretty special.

Speaker 4:
[06:54] It's amazing, but they used to do a lot of prizes for reading, right? Like summer reading, activities, stickers.

Speaker 3:
[07:01] I know, but here's the problem. Like my kid is an LA kid, and she gets to go out to dinner all the time, and the local library was like, if you read five books a month, you get in and out. And she was like, what?

Speaker 1:
[07:15] She's like, bitch, I'm eating in and out.

Speaker 3:
[07:18] It is hard to incentivize.

Speaker 1:
[07:20] Yes, kids that have everything. But you'd be surprised. Actually, yesterday, I got a grocery outlet, because I don't know if we're going to do air eyes, but my air eyes grocery outlet, bargain market. On the outside, it looks like you're going to get stabbed in there. On the inside, the only thing getting slashed is the prices. Okay, the deals are crazy. $75 wine for $9.99 that I did realize after I bought 10 bottles, not so good. But they have these reading lamps that were regular $25 for $5.99. So I bought a bunch of them yesterday when I was going to get stuff for s'mores. I come back, I tell the kids to make a art project that draw something and then write a sentence that encapsulates the day. They all got into it.

Speaker 3:
[08:05] That's so smart.

Speaker 1:
[08:06] Yeah. They still want prizes. I started with gratitudes, sharing gratitudes, and I got 50% off. $1.50 was the original price. Little Easter candy and stuff. Why is this unraveling me? They're like little chickadees, little tiny chickadee toys. Peeps.

Speaker 4:
[08:26] The peeps.

Speaker 1:
[08:27] The peeps. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[08:30] We had a Peeps tasting the other day. There's Dr. Pepper Peeps, there's Pickle Peeps.

Speaker 4:
[08:36] They've gone crazy.

Speaker 3:
[08:37] There's Sour Watermelon, there's Sunny D Peeps. I don't know why Sunny D.

Speaker 1:
[08:41] And so you line them up into the tasting? Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[08:44] Wait, that sounds fun.

Speaker 3:
[08:45] It was it was fun. This is why you should have a kid. Wait, so we really don't get to talk to people as I don't want to say you're in a different intellectual class than the usual. But comedians are people who like are dumb.

Speaker 1:
[08:58] Not dumb. You don't get to speak louder to you people.

Speaker 3:
[09:01] No, but like, you know, I don't usually talk to people who have like several degrees in something that's like not a liberal arts, you know, like it's usually, you know, maybe you'll meet someone who is good at marketing. But most of the time, it's just fuck ups. But, you know, I'm wondering, did you guys always have, because one thing I'm really noticing that's missing in my kid, and I'm not sure if it's age appropriate, and all her friends, like, like this grit. Like, do you feel like you just coming from, like you said, immigrant parents, do you feel like that grit was just like instilled really easily? Or is it some, like, do you always remember having to like work hard?

Speaker 2:
[09:40] I think it was a combination of things. I mean, our podcast is called Tiger Sisters, and it is because we had a tiger mom. So I think one, we had always had really high expectations of us. On the flip side, there's problems that come with that. But I think the other thing that a lot of people don't talk about is that when we were young, we did a bajillion extracurricular activities, like all these different things. And when you do that, you're always new at something. So you're by definition bad at something. So we were used to being bad and being beginners at a lot of different things. And so I think that...

Speaker 3:
[10:17] Is that good or not?

Speaker 4:
[10:18] It was so good. It was so good.

Speaker 3:
[10:20] Part of me is like, because I have my daughter in something different every day, but then I'm like, would it be better if she just learned to swim five days a week? I don't know, like that deeper into one thing?

Speaker 1:
[10:31] Never teach your child to swim. I've told you this so many times. It's a waste of time. No, I think that the whole... We talked about it on the episode that we just recorded with The Tiger Sisters, look out for it. But being bad at something and continuing to try is one of the biggest virtues of life.

Speaker 4:
[10:50] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[10:50] I never thought of it like that, that all of the over scheduling actually makes you like Zen mind, beginner mind, like beginner mind again.

Speaker 4:
[10:57] Well, it's beginner mind again. And then until I think your kid figures out what exactly they like to do and what they're passionate about, then you can like hone in on something and be like, okay, this is what I want to specialize in. But like Jean and I have done like the most crazy random things, like obviously you have like soccer and then swim and gymnastics. But then like we also went to like sleep away camp too, where you're like archery camping in the woods, eating worms, like away from everything and like roughing it, but then also enjoying it. And so like in a way, I feel like Jean and I have a lot of experience to draw from and ways to connect with a lot of different people through these activities that we've done.

Speaker 1:
[11:33] Let me ask you this, you ever steal anything?

Speaker 4:
[11:36] No.

Speaker 1:
[11:37] No?

Speaker 2:
[11:38] No, not like shoplifts or shoplifts. Never.

Speaker 1:
[11:42] So you guys might end up killing. We might end up murdering. Here's the thing, in Switzerland, everyone's so perfect and like everything's so like by the book, but guess what? They'd be killing themselves, other people.

Speaker 4:
[11:56] Serially too.

Speaker 1:
[11:57] Yeah. How do you get your freak out of you? Bad-minded. Do you have a bad-minded?

Speaker 3:
[12:03] What if you don't have a freak?

Speaker 2:
[12:05] No, they have a freak.

Speaker 4:
[12:06] They got a freak. I would say, on the flip side of that, I can see everything looking very shiny on the outside. We have our degrees, we have our jobs and our experiences, our pedigree, but then also I will say growing up in that environment is such a pressure cooker too. I'm so happy that I have my sister and a partner that we can talk about it. But there are parts that were so freaking hard where the pressure is so high from my mom. But then also that's carried into me. I put so much pressure on myself now that in an unhealthy way. I'm in therapy figuring out how do you be okay after getting to this point, and letting go and actually living. So I would say it was good up until a point, like what has gotten me here will not get me to my happy point in the future is what I like to say about it. So I'm very thankful for that. But it does come with a darker underside of not being happy with yourself or always reaching a part of perfection that inevitably you are going to be disappointed in yourself.

Speaker 1:
[13:04] Jean, do you relate or did you?

Speaker 2:
[13:06] Yeah, no, I definitely relate. I've always been super, super hard on myself. And it's something where it's funny because now that I'm older, it's like I have to actively work on moving away from that mindset where I just want to be like every single thing in every category in life. I'm like, I need to be the best at or like in the top percentile. Otherwise, I feel like I'm a failure. So that's a good guy.

Speaker 4:
[13:30] It's fucking exhausting. That's like my inner.

Speaker 1:
[13:33] Here's a question. Can we instill the results that you guys have proven with the under carriage of like deep self-love? Or can it just be the stick without the care? I don't know if that's the right way to say it, but is there a way of having our kids be as ambitious without having them feel like it's such a fallout if they're not in the top percentile?

Speaker 2:
[13:59] I think yes, because I think where you guys are coming from is you want them to be fully formed human beings and you want them to have really beautiful full lives and you want them to be ambitious, but I would guess that you guys are not prescriptive, right? Like you guys are not like, you must become a doctor.

Speaker 1:
[14:21] I mean, Wolfie's on opioids and Rowan's only two, so it's just Metamucil, but.

Speaker 3:
[14:27] My daughter's just on peeps. Those are eight peeps, I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[14:30] Sunny D peeps.

Speaker 5:
[14:30] Those are Sunny D peeps.

Speaker 1:
[14:31] Well, what do you mean by prescriptive, for Natasha's benefit?

Speaker 2:
[14:35] I mean, when we were growing up, I think for a lot of immigrant families, it's like, you must become a doctor. Or a lawyer.

Speaker 4:
[14:42] Or an engineer, otherwise, what are you doing with your life and career?

Speaker 3:
[14:47] They told you that?

Speaker 4:
[14:48] Oh, that's like, they say it exactly like that, and we don't approve of your career or your ambition.

Speaker 1:
[14:55] Immigrant parents really want a very linear way of understanding how you're going to get to the white picket fence.

Speaker 3:
[15:05] I told my dad I wanted to be an actress and he was like, you should be the next Vanna White.

Speaker 1:
[15:11] He's like, under soldier, he's like, or you could twirl the letters, girl. I don't know about memorizing all those letters altogether as a word.

Speaker 3:
[15:22] But when I speak to like I did this show with a few Olympic athletes, and they all had the same story, which was my parents told me I could do whatever I want as long as I'm the best. I can pick whatever sport as long as I was the best. That's so much pressure to put, but in a way I'm like that creates excellence. That's the hardest thing about parenting is trying to figure out where you land in it because our podcast is called Good Enough. And I don't think that would, your parents wouldn't have been okay with Good Enough.

Speaker 1:
[15:56] No.

Speaker 3:
[15:57] They were like best of them.

Speaker 1:
[15:58] Well, you actually said that you were raised by a single mother, right? So looking back at the things that she did do to instill your strengths, what do you think that we can take away from your mom's-

Speaker 3:
[16:10] What would you keep?

Speaker 1:
[16:11] Yeah, what would you keep? It's trash and treasure is the trademark.

Speaker 4:
[16:15] Yeah. I would say she instilled in us a lot of curiosity in the sense, like we were talking about just all those activities, like I love, I mean, our mom worked tirelessly to support us.

Speaker 1:
[16:27] What did she do?

Speaker 4:
[16:27] She raised us. She was a public school guidance counselor in New York City.

Speaker 1:
[16:32] Interesting. So there's thousands of kids that are like, if I'm not incredible, my guidance counselor is going to be disappointed.

Speaker 4:
[16:39] I mean, it was in New York City and not in the best school. And so I think that was also an interesting experience and perspective too, where she was sharing how important education is for us to rise up out of the situation we were given and born into. So, I mean, I love how much love she had for curiosity and being like, for all these activities that you do outside of school, like you do need to build yourself up and build up your repertoire of just like trying all these different things. And I think that was a really beautiful thing. She also helped us focus on sports a lot, which I think helped us get out of the house, helped us become more well-rounded and not just be like, you must be academics only focused.

Speaker 1:
[17:23] What sports did you guys play?

Speaker 4:
[17:25] I did swimming and diving. I basically copied Jean.

Speaker 2:
[17:27] I did diving. She was better. She's always been like the better version of everything I've done. She's done it.

Speaker 1:
[17:33] Well, she spent seven years to study how you're fucking up. I guess I'll keep my legs a little more straight.

Speaker 3:
[17:40] What was your dive?

Speaker 2:
[17:42] I mean, you had to do all of that.

Speaker 3:
[17:44] Well, I was on the diving team. So I was worried.

Speaker 1:
[17:46] You were?

Speaker 3:
[17:46] Yeah. I was so bad.

Speaker 1:
[17:48] You know where this is leading to?

Speaker 3:
[17:49] What? A dive off.

Speaker 1:
[17:50] You all dive off the coffee table.

Speaker 3:
[17:52] Well, no. This is very indicative of me though. I was on the swim team. I have a whole thing full of yellow ribbons. I got last place on everything because I would just finish. So they would have me even do a butterfly because I could at least finish it for the team. So we would get that sweet fourth place ribbon. Then I remember the dives. I just did the four easiest dives.

Speaker 1:
[18:14] That's why your dad is like, that's my Vanna White.

Speaker 3:
[18:16] Yeah, exactly. Wait, so what was your-

Speaker 2:
[18:19] No, mine were the same and I don't know why this is a confession, but this is a confession. I was never able to get a reverse dive. Because I was so-

Speaker 3:
[18:27] You mean like the inward or a back dive?

Speaker 4:
[18:29] Reverse back.

Speaker 3:
[18:30] Oh, a back dive?

Speaker 4:
[18:31] No, you walk off the diving board and then you go head first.

Speaker 3:
[18:36] Those are impossible.

Speaker 4:
[18:37] Well, you do that?

Speaker 3:
[18:39] Yeah. Isn't that called an inward?

Speaker 2:
[18:41] Inward is when you dive towards the board. Oh, the reverse.

Speaker 3:
[18:44] I don't think anyone in Rockford could do that.

Speaker 1:
[18:46] What's the move called where a bunch of divers let someone who's not a diver into the conversation?

Speaker 5:
[18:54] Reverse, reverse.

Speaker 3:
[18:55] I love that. So would you agree that's the same thing that you would treasure? Just her ability to make you try different things and curiosity?

Speaker 2:
[19:04] It's really shaped who we are today because I think one thing we talk about all the time on Tiger Sisters Podcast is the ability to reinvent yourself at any age. And I feel like that's really salient to me because I've just totally reinvented myself in the last year and a half. Before Tiger Sisters Podcast, I worked in corporate for 15 years of my life.

Speaker 1:
[19:27] Corporate what?

Speaker 2:
[19:29] Well, first, finance. I worked at Goldman was my first job out of school, and then tech, and then also I went to business school. So before we did our first episode of our podcast, I'd never been on camera ever before. And then also like I mentioned, I was previously engaged. I got out of that.

Speaker 1:
[19:47] So it dovetailed the timing of changing your career also was like, and I'm leaving this shit relationship, bro.

Speaker 4:
[19:54] It actually all happened at the same time. When it rains, it pours.

Speaker 3:
[19:58] What does your mother think about you guys being in the podcast?

Speaker 6:
[20:00] The podcast is she's a little she might be listening.

Speaker 4:
[20:04] I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[20:05] I called her.

Speaker 4:
[20:06] Actually, she's on speakerphone right now.

Speaker 1:
[20:08] She's always on speakerphone.

Speaker 4:
[20:10] I mean, it's definitely tough because it's not a path that she understands. It's not a world like the media entertainment world. Podcasting is so different from traditional success from where we come from. It's like you're a doctor or you have a nine to five. You're an engineer. You go in.

Speaker 3:
[20:26] You show your bank statements. Does that make her a little happier?

Speaker 4:
[20:28] No, honestly.

Speaker 3:
[20:29] Number one podcast.

Speaker 2:
[20:31] It's just a real departure from, like let's just say, if my mom had her way, I never would have left Goldman Sachs. Like I never even, it was even a big deal for her when I left finance to go work in tech. Like even that was very-

Speaker 1:
[20:44] Like what, are you a bisexual?

Speaker 2:
[20:47] Like that was very risky to her.

Speaker 1:
[20:50] Are you transitioning now too? Jean?

Speaker 2:
[20:53] I was like, no, Silicon Valley, like things are happening there. Silicon Valley, what?

Speaker 3:
[20:59] Come on, she's listening, Sabrina. We want her mom to think this is like a reputable-

Speaker 1:
[21:06] Well, look, my mom felt the same way when I did stand up. She's like, and now you can go be an animator and have like, you know, they're trying to translate your passion into something that to them is like a way of paying a mortgage. And they didn't know people. It's like the same thing also like with just being queer in general, which is why I made that joke about sexuality. Everything, every comment I make is really backed by science. But like any move that you make outside of like the box of the way they've seen success functioning, it's like already like such a huge leap of faith to start again in a new country. You want everything else to be kind of like predictable. But unfortunately, that's not what they got when they dropped these quads out. That's what I'm calling us, the quads.

Speaker 4:
[21:51] Well, I wonder when we have kids or when your kids are grown up and making that decision for themselves, like let's say in like 15 years and like AI has changed everything or like who knows what the future is going to be like. Will we be that way towards our kids too? Because we don't understand like how the industries change. Or like I don't even, I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[22:08] By we, we mean our digital twins.

Speaker 1:
[22:10] Yes, yeah, our digital twins.

Speaker 2:
[22:12] Not our physical selves.

Speaker 1:
[22:13] We'll be like, I thought you were dating chat, now you're with Claude.

Speaker 4:
[22:18] Help me understand.

Speaker 1:
[22:19] Stay in one AI system.

Speaker 3:
[22:21] So when you guys think about your parenting, is there anything you would like, that you won't do with your children?

Speaker 1:
[22:27] Thank you for keeping us on track.

Speaker 2:
[22:30] I mean, for me, I wouldn't be prescriptive on being like, you must choose this one career path. But I do think I still, I'm seven years older than Cherie. She's a zillennial or like basically she's Gen Z. I'm millennial. So I'm still a little bit maybe more old fashioned where I do think I'm like the same as those Olympians you interviewed where I'm like, you can do whatever you want, but you have to be the best at it. That's my mindset.

Speaker 3:
[22:57] You would tell your kid that?

Speaker 4:
[22:58] She's told me that. Like, yeah, I've heard her say, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[23:01] Well, yeah, because I want them to just really put their mind to something and I want them to be like, I mean, they don't exist yet, but my future children, I want them to be like a force in society where they reach their potential.

Speaker 3:
[23:16] What if the thing that they're trying at, they're not in the top percentile, but they love it? What would you do?

Speaker 2:
[23:23] I guess I just-

Speaker 1:
[23:24] Get a new hobby, bitch.

Speaker 2:
[23:28] To me, that's not like a Venn diagram with an overlap. If there's something that they truly love and they put their mind to it, they will be the best.

Speaker 1:
[23:37] Really?

Speaker 2:
[23:38] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[23:39] But the best is a figure of speech.

Speaker 3:
[23:42] Not to her. Not to Harvard lady.

Speaker 2:
[23:45] I don't think, given my jeans and my stature, I don't think I'm going to have an Olympian track child. I don't think I'm going to have the next Usain Bolt.

Speaker 1:
[23:55] Don't say that about yourself.

Speaker 2:
[23:57] You might.

Speaker 1:
[23:57] Don't nag yourself like that.

Speaker 2:
[23:59] I think there's maybe some physical limitations, but aside from having the next fastest runner in the world, I kind of think like my kid can do, my children can do whatever.

Speaker 4:
[24:10] Is her kid screwed?

Speaker 1:
[24:12] Well, no, I just think this is the modification. The modification is like, if I'm picturing like you talking to your child, you could do whatever you want as long as you are the best at it. It might create the tension in your sister's neck that she's talking about undoing in therapy. And I wonder if the modification is, you can do whatever you want as long as you try your best at it. And when you try your best at it, you're gonna have amazing results and I can't wait to cheer you on.

Speaker 3:
[24:40] At every step of the results. The problem with saying try your best though, it feels very trite. You know, like try your best.

Speaker 1:
[24:45] I love that you're using fancy words too now. Salient, trite, jeans.

Speaker 4:
[24:51] No, but I agree. I like try your best versus be the best. And like maybe there's another way to phrase it that can be more impactful when we're telling that to a kid.

Speaker 1:
[25:02] Chad and Claude.

Speaker 3:
[25:03] Well, here's the problem. Like once you have a kid, like for example, my child has to play the flute as part of the school. And circus school. And she, I didn't know that they were doing the flute in school. She got way behind. She couldn't do it. And we ended up having her pretend like she was playing the flute. Instead of not going on stage, instead of getting distracted and standing there. So just the fact that she pretended that she was playing this cute canoe song, I was like, great job.

Speaker 1:
[25:40] Yeah, fake it till you make it.

Speaker 3:
[25:42] And she, you know, it seemed like she was playing.

Speaker 2:
[25:45] But I don't think that goes against my theory.

Speaker 3:
[25:47] I don't think you would like that.

Speaker 2:
[25:48] Because no, because my theory is also, you should try all things, fail at many, many of them, discover what you love. Also, I'm speaking to someone who doesn't have children. I've never had kids. So like your listeners might be like, she doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about.

Speaker 4:
[26:00] Well, that's a great impression of them.

Speaker 1:
[26:02] That is how they talk.

Speaker 2:
[26:03] This is just fully theoretical. But it's like try everything, fail at most of them, discover what you love. And then once you discover it, you're going to have this really amazing mindset where you're like, I'm not afraid to try things. And I'm going to, if I put my energy and my spirit into something, I'm just going to be so just like amazing at it.

Speaker 3:
[26:24] I think that's a really sweet speech that I want to give my daughter.

Speaker 1:
[26:26] Yeah. And I would just maybe modify it of like, if you try that your best, you're going to be so good enough at it. Just to weave our brand.

Speaker 2:
[26:35] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[26:36] On brand.

Speaker 1:
[26:36] Okay. So what is something that you are probably not going to do that your mother did? And let's just not take it off your mother that maybe it happened. Because your mom might be listening. So maybe just say in general, what's something that you're like, I'm not going to.

Speaker 4:
[26:50] Yeah. I guess I can answer this in a way, to like your previous question too, like treasure and also trash.

Speaker 1:
[26:57] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[26:58] Is that what it was called? But I think I would love to experience with my child, like a very deep friendship, I think. I don't really know what that's like, because I think in a lot of immigrant households, it's like, you are the parent versus you are the child. I am the parent, the authority. I've been through life more than you have up into a point, but like-

Speaker 1:
[27:19] Clear rules, clear hierarchy.

Speaker 4:
[27:21] Exactly. Or like very much authority.

Speaker 3:
[27:23] You know what someone told me recently? I don't think I've said it on the podcast, but it's been haunting me. They're like, you can be friends with your kids when they're young or when they're old. You have to choose.

Speaker 4:
[27:34] Right.

Speaker 3:
[27:34] And I was like, oh, because like the idea is, we're around our children much more as adults. You only get these 15 years when they're kids, right? And then you get probably 20, 30 years.

Speaker 1:
[27:46] But did they insinuate there's a trade off?

Speaker 3:
[27:48] They were kind of, I think the insinuation is, if you want to be friends with your kids as adults, when they're adults, maybe don't try to befriend them as children. Because you don't want to be the friend.

Speaker 1:
[28:01] I think there's like a complexity there that like, I definitely, this is something that I think about a lot because the way that I connect with my kids is very much like on a level. But then when it comes time to insert discipline, it does then require a little more like, hey, I know we were just in like, we're all bros mode. But right now, I'm about to tell you, I'm being the parent and you've got to listen. It's a different dynamic. And you have to announce that the dynamic is different and then move with that. Does that work? Yeah, totally.

Speaker 3:
[28:34] No, my daughter literally will remind me. She's like, mom, you're in charge. Because I'll ask her, because my husband's away right now and I'm like, you know, I'm desperate for her to like me and, you know, it's like sometimes I do kind of slip and it's like you, they, for them to feel secure, they want, they need to have an authority. I don't know if it needs to be. Well, now it's called authoritative. Your mother was maybe more authoritarian. Authoritative is a little more like helpful, but also being.

Speaker 1:
[29:05] I'm the boss.

Speaker 3:
[29:05] Yeah, like my mom was like, I'm in charge and you're the child and you do as I say, because I'm the big chief and you're the little one.

Speaker 4:
[29:13] You know, like it's also generational to.

Speaker 3:
[29:15] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4:
[29:16] Like that was very much that generation was just like, I'm the parent and you are the kid.

Speaker 3:
[29:20] And now I think we're trying to be, you know, in charge, but in a more loving way where we also listen to their feelings. But that's so sweet that you want to be friends with your kids.

Speaker 4:
[29:29] Well, can I ask, does gentle parenting actually work? Because that's something we see happening.

Speaker 2:
[29:34] Are you guys doing that shit?

Speaker 1:
[29:36] Okay, I feel like gentle parenting is like the polyamory, where polyamory is like just evokes so much like, like for me at least, I'm just like, I don't, that feels. But then when you talk to someone who's like in a polycule or whatever, they break it down and you're like, oh, that makes sense for you. I feel like gentle parenting is this trigger word that we have talked to people that are like, that what you're thinking of as gentle parenting is not what gentle parenting is. Gentle parenting is when you and your husband see a lot of different people. I think that just the word gentle and parenting together evokes to me this idea that we've gone too far down the lane of losing touch with what worked in the past, and having these rules that are in the area of like, I don't say no to my child. And like, well, I don't use, I don't raise my voice with my child. Like all of these things that like bubble wrap your child's experience with the world that are not true to the way the world is. Like, I think, yes, I'm not sure if we've done this podcast for like months now, and I still don't really know what the definition is, and maybe I never will. But gentle parenting to me speaks to like this brand of parent that is like overly protective and like meme-ified in the way that they're parenting, and disconnected from like maybe like more of the instinctual sort of like when, when you say that your daughter is like, hey, I actually want boundaries. Kids need some of that old school, and we don't hit kids anymore, which is wonderful. But we need to give them the feeling of like, there is some sort of barometer of winning and losing here, and you do want, like to me, my parents disappointment was like their version of hitting, that's what I'm carrying through with the way that I parent. I want my child to know what it feels like when I'm disappointed, so that they are chasing a different result.

Speaker 3:
[31:31] Is gentle parenting different than snowplow parenting?

Speaker 1:
[31:34] You know me, I'm the expert.

Speaker 3:
[31:36] Well, snowplow is like, you know, like helicopters like hovering over them. Snowplow is like removing all obstacles, so that they can just kind of go through life and not have any pain, because when you have a child, the hardest thing is like, now all of a sudden you love this thing more than you love yourself, and now you're like stressed about this thing that you can't control. You know, at least with myself, I'm like, well, if I get hit by a bus, I'm dead, okay. You know, I won't know what, I don't know, it's like the idea of someone else getting hurt, your child or anything happening to them is, you know, it's so hard that you do, your instinct as a mother is to like remove obstacles, but that wouldn't be good.

Speaker 2:
[32:14] I mean, it feels like those are both extremes versus I think what you described. I'm very interested in in what you do because-

Speaker 1:
[32:22] Jean, thank you.

Speaker 2:
[32:24] No, because I haven't really heard anyone describe it that way, where it sounds like it's almost the relationship you have with your kids, is you're like on the level with them. You're like, hey, this is our dynamic, and sometimes I can be chill with you and we can be friends, but also remember that sometimes we have to move into this space where I'm telling you what to do and you need to listen because for your safety or for your benefit. And it's like you're able to create that. It's actually very impressive though, because then the kids have to be able to hold two things in their mind at the same time.

Speaker 1:
[32:54] Or three things, because the third level is like, hey, now I'm in parenting mode and you still, even though I've reminded you, you still are not adapting to what I need you to be doing. So now I'm going to be going into annoyed parents. And annoyed parent, I'm like explaining, I'm like when I have to be annoyed, when I have to remind you again and again, that's taking energy out of the tank for fun things that we could be doing.

Speaker 2:
[33:16] Wait, so you actually say that to them?

Speaker 1:
[33:18] Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[33:19] That's so cool.

Speaker 3:
[33:19] She's good.

Speaker 4:
[33:20] Yeah, that's good. You're like explaining your thinking.

Speaker 2:
[33:23] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[33:23] Well, it's like when we were on your podcast, we were talking about that quote from my mom that I've talked about on this podcast too, about like the way you are perceiving things. Like I was saying that it's gonna be hard for me to get older. She said, well, if you're thinking that way, then yes, it will be. And it's like teaching your kids that the patterns that they are imprinting in your mind right now are forever patterns. So like we can play with different patterns. Like we can play with like having a fit about something small. You could do, and that's part of being a kid, is to like practice that. But like, just so you know, the more you repeat the behaviors that result in the bad results of like escalating things to a place where it's like now we're not having fun anymore and we've got to do the lesson. And then another thing that I do really like is Start From Fresh. What is that? Like, Start From Fresh is like, so you're in a moment with your kid, now all of a sudden you're like down the road of some fucking monologue that you're like, and then and then you did this and whatever you're like explaining.

Speaker 3:
[34:26] And they're like, why are you being mean to me? Why are you yelling at me?

Speaker 1:
[34:29] You're like, okay, can you tell me the message of what I just said? They tell it back. Yeah. You go, okay, do you want to start from fresh? And then we can start from fresh. We don't have to like hold on to the resentment. We're moving through it. Like, honestly, when I...

Speaker 2:
[34:44] That's really cool.

Speaker 1:
[34:45] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[34:46] I feel like that's something you could do in all relationships.

Speaker 3:
[34:49] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[34:49] Start from fresh. Yeah. I mean, I think in your marriage, do you do that?

Speaker 3:
[34:53] Now that you told me, when you told me, you know, you told me about that recently and I definitely ask for a do-over.

Speaker 1:
[34:57] And you do have to like pretend, you fake it at first. You're like, we're doing it over. No, I'm happy.

Speaker 3:
[35:03] And you make sure you get your last jab out before you say it.

Speaker 1:
[35:06] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[35:09] But yeah, I think that Sabrina, you're a great parent because you have a lot of like, she's also like fun dad.

Speaker 1:
[35:14] Natasha, you're a great parent.

Speaker 3:
[35:16] Thank you. But you have like a lot.

Speaker 2:
[35:18] We will be great parents.

Speaker 3:
[35:19] You will be great parents.

Speaker 4:
[35:20] Wait, is that the verdict or is Jean going to be a crazy parent?

Speaker 2:
[35:23] No, no.

Speaker 3:
[35:24] I mean, you guys.

Speaker 1:
[35:25] The verdict is you're both going to be great parents. I do think Cherie being in therapy.

Speaker 2:
[35:30] I'm in therapy too.

Speaker 1:
[35:31] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[35:32] But you can't tell.

Speaker 1:
[35:36] This is a swerve. But Jean is seven years older and Jean has given me more compliments.

Speaker 4:
[35:43] If I had known at the beginning, that's what it took.

Speaker 1:
[35:45] It does take that. You've got time.

Speaker 3:
[35:47] So if there was one money thing, since you guys are financial experts, if there was one money thing to teach a kid early on, what would it be?

Speaker 2:
[36:00] We got one. You want to say it or should I say?

Speaker 3:
[36:02] You guys know what it is?

Speaker 2:
[36:03] Incredible question.

Speaker 1:
[36:05] I put you on a spot and you aced it.

Speaker 2:
[36:07] I think for us, one thing we talk about all the time on our podcast is that a big part of our audience is women. So we're always like, you must as a woman have financial independence. That is something I think is just not said enough in society.

Speaker 1:
[36:24] Yeah, it's weird that that is like a new age thing. But it's like women were only allowed to have credit cards in the 70s. So yeah, of course, it would take generations to catch up.

Speaker 4:
[36:32] Yeah, I think on financial independence, it's also because of our experience, like seeing our mom as a single mom, like because financial independence was so instrumental to like getting out of a bad situation. Like we talked about that on our podcast. Like if you're not in a good situation, move on, move, like you will have the means to get out of it and also bring your children with you too, so that you guys can all flourish. But I think just getting your own bag.

Speaker 3:
[36:57] Okay, one follow-up question. Let's say you got a lot of money. Do you pay for your kids' college?

Speaker 4:
[37:04] Yeah, I'm gonna pay for my kids' college. That was some, I was on financial aid and that was something that really, really stressed me out. Having to be on financial aid and also having to pay back student loans.

Speaker 1:
[37:16] And how much were your educations?

Speaker 2:
[37:18] A lot of money.

Speaker 3:
[37:19] I mean, a half a million probably, right?

Speaker 2:
[37:21] Yeah, I mean, because we also went to grad school. So like, put all together.

Speaker 4:
[37:25] And it's only getting more expensive now too. I think going to like undergrad.

Speaker 3:
[37:28] It's getting more expensive and more obsolete. Simultaneously.

Speaker 2:
[37:31] And harder to get into.

Speaker 3:
[37:32] And harder to get into.

Speaker 2:
[37:33] All at the same time.

Speaker 4:
[37:34] I think like each year for undergrad, it's like 70k minimum.

Speaker 1:
[37:37] I got to go. I got to get out of here.

Speaker 2:
[37:39] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[37:40] 70k.

Speaker 1:
[37:40] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[37:40] You got the Canadian ideals in your mind, like.

Speaker 1:
[37:43] And the Canadian currency. I mean, I don't like this.

Speaker 3:
[37:48] You would pay for the college.

Speaker 2:
[37:50] Yes, because it goes back to my philosophy of being like, you can do whatever you want, but I just want you to be really passionate about it and do the best you can. And I would want them to have.

Speaker 1:
[38:00] Look, you modified it.

Speaker 4:
[38:01] Yeah, she did modify it.

Speaker 1:
[38:02] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[38:03] And be the best. You know, a combination of that.

Speaker 1:
[38:06] You like mumble, you like be the best.

Speaker 2:
[38:08] And be the best. But I think a big part of it is not having the financial burden of college, right? Because for me, a big part of the reason why my first job out of school was at Goldman is because that was the highest paying job you could get out of college at the time, right? So I was like, I felt a lot of pressure to get that job.

Speaker 4:
[38:29] Like we needed high paying jobs out of school, otherwise like we have nothing to fall back on. And that also limited our sights on what we could do and wanted to do.

Speaker 1:
[38:37] Yeah, but picture this, picture this. You pay for your kid's education, it costs you half a million dollars. Then they tell you, Mom, I want to do a podcast. What do you say?

Speaker 4:
[38:49] Be number one best podcast.

Speaker 3:
[38:51] Yeah. Do you guys know how I was able to leave New York and move to LA? One day, maybe some, but Chase Manhattan Bank sent me a letter saying, we've decided to give you $5,000 in overdraft protection for your checkbook. And I was like, what does that mean? And then I found out that means I can write checks for up to $5,000. So I just started writing checks. I wrote a check to rent a wreck. I wrote a check. I found a place to live. I wrote a check to the United Airlines. And then I just wrote all these checks and then was able to move to LA.

Speaker 1:
[39:29] Holy shit.

Speaker 3:
[39:30] They don't do that anymore.

Speaker 1:
[39:31] I mean, can you help Natasha get a Chase branding deal? This is a gorgeous story.

Speaker 3:
[39:36] Yeah, it's gorgeous.

Speaker 2:
[39:37] It launched your entire career.

Speaker 3:
[39:40] I mean, I had a car that didn't have a door on the left side, but it was, you know, able to do it all.

Speaker 1:
[39:45] You got to tell that story more often. We got to send that clip to Chase. And you guys know how Bank of America introduced me to my wife.

Speaker 3:
[39:52] How?

Speaker 1:
[39:54] I'll make up the story. I just wanted my own branding deal.

Speaker 3:
[39:57] Okay, Sabrina, what's our audience question?

Speaker 1:
[40:00] Coming right up.

Speaker 6:
[40:01] Josh and Sabrina. This is Emily. I'm a long time listener, first time caller. I was wondering your thoughts on redshirting, which is basically holding a kid back if they have a summer birthday, typically, and starting them in kindergarten.

Speaker 1:
[40:18] The Tiger Sisters are. Jaws clenched.

Speaker 3:
[40:22] I didn't know it had a name. Redshirting.

Speaker 6:
[40:24] I was wondering your thoughts on it. We have a boy and we're thinking of doing that because, you know, boys, all right? All right. Let me know. Thanks.

Speaker 3:
[40:33] Is this so the kid can be bigger than the other kids?

Speaker 4:
[40:36] It has to be a reason.

Speaker 2:
[40:38] No, that is what the reason is.

Speaker 1:
[40:39] They want them to be physically bigger?

Speaker 2:
[40:41] Well, yes, if you have a choice.

Speaker 3:
[40:42] You said it's a boy.

Speaker 1:
[40:43] No, the boy is because boys are dumb. Compared to girls, boys are dumb.

Speaker 2:
[40:49] It's both. It's because if you're larger, then you're better at sports, right? And then that's such a big part of your...

Speaker 3:
[40:55] You get picked more.

Speaker 2:
[40:56] You get picked more. Your more varsity developed emotionally, so you're not going to cry if something bad happens. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1:
[41:03] You have a huge edge because you learn so much in a year when you're so little that, yeah, you get to be this star kid. What do you guys think about it?

Speaker 3:
[41:11] I have no idea.

Speaker 1:
[41:13] I think they'll have a better idea than us.

Speaker 4:
[41:15] Well, I think Jean might have an interesting perspective because she has a late birthday, so she's the youngest.

Speaker 2:
[41:20] I'm the opposite of red-shirting because I'm born in December and so everyone else my year is older than me.

Speaker 3:
[41:26] But you got straight A's your whole life. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[41:32] You're a red tankini.

Speaker 2:
[41:34] A red what?

Speaker 1:
[41:35] Red tankini. Because red-shirting is when you're older, red tankini is when you're the youngest.

Speaker 2:
[41:41] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[41:41] Because the actual shirt is small, you see.

Speaker 2:
[41:43] I wasn't good at sports. I mean, thankfully, that wasn't like my-

Speaker 1:
[41:47] You couldn't even back dive.

Speaker 2:
[41:48] I couldn't even do a reverse dive, guys. Let's just- That's all I got.

Speaker 4:
[41:51] Reversing sizes are terrible.

Speaker 1:
[41:52] I'm sorry that I said it like that. You really were vulnerable when you revealed it, and then I just brought it back.

Speaker 4:
[41:58] I think it's different for girls too, because I think for a maturity thing, just to make it gendered, I think women do mature sooner than guys. That wasn't an issue for Jean.

Speaker 2:
[42:09] Yeah. I mean, okay, for me, again, as a person who does not have children, so maybe I'm not qualified to speak on this, but I think it would depend on the kid. I feel like if you're a parent, you have a good sense of who your kid is and you're like, would my child benefit from a little bit more time in developing before they enter the insanity that is being in school? It's really stressful and there's a lot of, I guess, emotional situations that can occur.

Speaker 1:
[42:36] Yeah, I think I like it, but I'm not doing it because my core self is so impatient. But my wisdom self, the lessons that I keep on learning are all around patience and that my patience is rewarded.

Speaker 3:
[42:50] I also think there's something to what works best for you. I think that's the thing.

Speaker 1:
[42:56] You're stealing Jean's answer, but I will do.

Speaker 2:
[42:58] No, you're saying the opposite.

Speaker 3:
[42:59] No, I'm saying what works best for you in the sense, what if you're a really good friend as a kid in that grade? I don't know. Sometimes it doesn't really matter, so why not figure out what works.

Speaker 1:
[43:10] It would be cool if you could see there was an app and you could see who's coming up, who's in school now, and you're like, these are a bunch of Uggos.

Speaker 2:
[43:17] In other instances, what if you were a cool family that traveled around, you're like, we want to do a sabbatical for a year and live in Portugal and all these different places, then you could be like, my child will go to school one year later. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[43:30] I always thought I was going to be that kind of parent, and then I totally wasn't. I read Bringing Up Beibei and I was like, oh yeah, I'm going to be like a French woman, and I'm not going to care about my child or not be helicoptery. I just wasn't like that at all. Yeah. Only croissants and try to look hot for my husband still, and let him fuck me up the ass with my eyeliner.

Speaker 2:
[43:52] You already have the bangs. Your hair is very like Parisian chic. Like the bangs? She got the bangs.

Speaker 1:
[43:59] Is part of being Parisian getting fucked in the ass? No.

Speaker 3:
[44:01] I'm sorry. That's not what the book says at all. But I'm just saying-

Speaker 1:
[44:04] Getting in the ass with a baguette and cheese.

Speaker 3:
[44:06] But I just mean it's all about still putting yourself first, and I never did that. Once I had the baby, that was like a pipe dream, like I said, on the podcast we did. There's a lot of humiliating, degrading things. But yeah, I'm trying to get back into what works the best for me. Right now, I'm looking at some different schools, and one has a commute, and one doesn't.

Speaker 1:
[44:27] Did you guys go to private school or public school?

Speaker 4:
[44:30] Went to public school.

Speaker 1:
[44:30] Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Did you like that?

Speaker 4:
[44:34] I loved it. I loved going to public school, and ours was, basically, it was on Long Island, and thankfully, our mom very much chose the school district and then found a house so we could live in that very good school district. Again, prioritizing education is super intentional, and this school, it was incredible because on Long Island, there's a very rich part of town that went to this school, and then there was also a normal and then not like a poor part of town that went all to the same high school because it was a public school. So I think it was a great experience to just meet so many people of different socioeconomic backgrounds all in this one melting pot. I love that experience.

Speaker 1:
[45:16] All the way through high school?

Speaker 4:
[45:17] All the way through high school.

Speaker 1:
[45:18] So you can get into these great schools from a public school?

Speaker 2:
[45:22] Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1:
[45:22] So I feel like that's the worry that a lot of parents have is that it's like you got to be with these like in the upper ilk to get to make it into these other schools. But I really don't want that. I want my kid to go to the same thing. I think like having your kid experience a diverse variety of friends with a variety of income levels and parents jobs and all of that is so important.

Speaker 2:
[45:46] Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1:
[45:47] All right.

Speaker 3:
[45:48] Yeah, one of the one of the kids at my daughter's private school didn't want to play date with one of the kids because she only had one bathroom. Huh? Isn't that charming?

Speaker 2:
[45:58] Oh my God. What a lovely young lady.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 3:
[46:02] But I'm just saying like when you're in a private school, you do run the risk of your kids being around just privileged people.

Speaker 1:
[46:11] Yeah, the advantage is like that. It's really cool. It's cool to be around privileged people. And I feel like our experience of being comics and like, why do you move to New York so that you're among people that are working as hard as you and you're like, with the cream of the crop, why do you move to LA? It's like, well, then I'm like, all of a sudden, I moved here as like a staff writer and I'm with executive producers and I'm making friends with Natasha Leggero. Yeah. You know, and it's like, we're all like, and you know, I'm friends with people that like inspire me and that are, it's like, that is important. But I think that something to remember is that that's available in public schools. And you be mindful of the district that you're living in. But like, I think that the risk that you take when you put your kid in private school all the way through is that your kid has this sense of, I'm kind of better.

Speaker 4:
[46:58] Or sheltered. A very sheltered life.

Speaker 3:
[47:00] You think they think they're better?

Speaker 1:
[47:01] They know they're better. They know they're better. I mean, they know that they got there in the special place.

Speaker 4:
[47:06] Or deep down, they probably know.

Speaker 1:
[47:07] Yeah, you can't, and then you've got to do all the work, like all the work that we are doing to like undo some of the spoiling that we know is happening with our kids, you know, like the conversations.

Speaker 3:
[47:17] Private school enforces that again.

Speaker 1:
[47:19] I think so. I think so. And I dare you to come on here and tell me otherwise, you monopoly man.

Speaker 3:
[47:25] That's an interesting philosophy. But also, I mean, the reality is not all of our moms are going to go specifically looking for a house in Long Island or some very special district just for the school district.

Speaker 1:
[47:34] Well, if they're smart, they will.

Speaker 2:
[47:37] Now that they've listened to your podcast.

Speaker 1:
[47:39] Guys, it's been so incredible to have you on. Thank you for having me. And Jean, we can't wait for you to be parents. As a surprise, you are both pregnant. Your mother sent us some embryos. And we can't wait to see what you do with them. Can you guys tell us anything that you're up to that we can follow?

Speaker 3:
[48:01] How do we get more of this?

Speaker 4:
[48:02] Yes. So Jean and I are the hosts of Tiger Sisters podcast. You can find us wherever you get your podcast, Spotify, YouTube, Apple Podcasts. You can find us there. And our handles are at cherie.brooke on Instagram and also TikTok.

Speaker 2:
[48:19] And I'm at jeanluo.j-e-a-n-l-u-o underscore.

Speaker 1:
[48:24] Yay.

Speaker 4:
[48:25] Thank you guys.

Speaker 1:
[48:26] Thank you.

Speaker 5:
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