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Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
[01:43] S-K. And five, four, three, two. What up y'all, welcome to Here's The Thing. I'm KevOnStage, she's.

Speaker 3:
[01:57] Bangers, bangers, bangers, all for 2026.

Speaker 4:
[02:07] Church announcements.

Speaker 1:
[02:09] I'm on tour coming up in June. Buy those freaking tickets. Atlanta, excuse me, Chicago, June 1st, Atlanta, June 3rd, LA, June 5th. And that theater is bigger than what I had expected. And then we will be in Philadelphia, June 23rd and close it out in Washington, DC on June 24th. So please come on out and see us.

Speaker 4:
[02:32] Are you nervous? Are you excited? How are you feeling?

Speaker 1:
[02:35] As soon as I see more tickets selling, I'll just be excited. Right now, I'm in the nervy, nervy stage.

Speaker 2:
[02:41] Nervy, nervy.

Speaker 1:
[02:42] Nervy, because every, like we had a, we felt like 300, 350. That's our sweet spot.

Speaker 4:
[02:49] That's right in your, right in your sweet spot.

Speaker 1:
[02:51] I'm like, I can, I might have to push a little, but I can sell those. Atlanta and DC, I already know Philadelphia, too. This LA spot is bigger than that. And I said, oh, oh, oh, this is not what I thought. Cause they had us in a small space and we were like, this is too small. It was like a hundred and something. And he was like, no, I can do it in my backyard. And then we agreed and then noticed after the fact that the new space, I said, that's a very much bigger. He said, bigger.

Speaker 4:
[03:19] How much?

Speaker 1:
[03:20] It's 500 people. That's a bigger, bigger.

Speaker 4:
[03:23] LA is tough.

Speaker 1:
[03:24] I know.

Speaker 4:
[03:25] LA is a tough market. People think it's easier than it is.

Speaker 1:
[03:30] No, it's difficult as hell. I know. So when I saw, I said, oh no, Marcus is like, we got it. I said, I love, I said, I love your enthusiasm. I love it, but it's a lot of people and I'm going to be begging it. I don't mind. What about you Kev? What are your church announcements?

Speaker 4:
[03:47] What do you mean? What's happened in my life?

Speaker 1:
[03:50] No, I'm not even talking about that. You got good things. Are you, what else is going on? You're doing shows.

Speaker 4:
[03:56] I'm doing shows, grief sucks, getting ready to come back. I'm probably going to do much to my Josh's happiness. They probably not going to be a Tour Not Tour ahead of time, mainly because it's, I got too much going on in the summer. So I'm just going to do shows locally to stay fresh. And it'll just be one tour that starts on your wedding day.

Speaker 1:
[04:21] I mean, you've already done the Tour Not Tour, already happened.

Speaker 5:
[04:23] I was going to say, I was going to do more.

Speaker 4:
[04:25] We covered, I was going to do more, but the dates that came in came in on like JoJo's graduation, family stuff, like Essence Weekends, things that I already had like scheduled. So I just told my guy, like just push me back to like August or September.

Speaker 5:
[04:48] But listen, load the dates up after the wedding.

Speaker 4:
[04:52] Because you got to pay for that wedding.

Speaker 6:
[04:53] Listen, load them up.

Speaker 5:
[04:56] We'll be on that plane, man.

Speaker 1:
[04:57] I can't wait for the wedding.

Speaker 4:
[04:59] Oh my God. Is there like a dress code or like a, what is it?

Speaker 5:
[05:06] It'll be on your invitation.

Speaker 2:
[05:08] Oh!

Speaker 1:
[05:08] That's what I've been waiting for. I'm like, when will I get there?

Speaker 4:
[05:11] Are you saying paper invitations?

Speaker 2:
[05:12] No, no, don't do it to me early.

Speaker 1:
[05:15] No, it's not early. I'm feeling late.

Speaker 5:
[05:17] I was gonna give it to you guys today.

Speaker 1:
[05:18] Yay!

Speaker 4:
[05:19] Wait till Melissa gets here.

Speaker 5:
[05:20] Oh no, I was gonna give it to Melissa Yeah, don't you get it.

Speaker 1:
[05:23] No, me, give me mine. I'm not married to Melissa.

Speaker 4:
[05:25] Just be careful. All right, over the weekend, I was the subject of conversation on... Oh, that's nice, Joshy. All right, I can't look. Put it away, Angel. Not now. We're in school, we're at work.

Speaker 1:
[05:46] It's so pretty.

Speaker 4:
[05:47] Put it away.

Speaker 1:
[05:48] But wait a minute, you want to...

Speaker 4:
[05:49] Don't open it.

Speaker 5:
[05:51] Just be careful. I don't know how you're going to do it, because that's my address on the back.

Speaker 1:
[05:55] But my address is on the front.

Speaker 5:
[05:56] Oh, yes, yes. The addresses are on it.

Speaker 1:
[05:59] Yes. It's so pretty. Go ahead, let's talk about people dragging you through the mud and the filth of hell.

Speaker 4:
[06:04] The muck and the miry clay.

Speaker 1:
[06:06] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[06:06] Over the weekend, clips from my time with Cam Newton's Funky Friday podcast were released, accepted.

Speaker 1:
[06:17] Friend of the Pod.

Speaker 4:
[06:18] Friend of the Pod. I made my own clips and I spoke at Nazium, what it felt like was at Nazium, about this subject of-

Speaker 1:
[06:33] You and the gays.

Speaker 4:
[06:34] Queer people in the church. I was trending on threads, only on threads.

Speaker 5:
[06:40] Multiple times.

Speaker 4:
[06:42] Multiple times. But this, for the first time in forever, I was actually trending for what I actually said. No mis-framing, no taking out of context. I was trending for what I actually said, which was my approach to Christianity is that I lead with love. I shared a story about my brother and how the church led with love and that brought him from the back of the church to the front of the church. I shared a story about that same church at roughly the same time, believe it or not, did not lead with love with a queer person in our church. That led her from the front of the church to the back of the church, and eventually out of the church, and how there was a gay kid in my Bible study who had the summer of his life, great time, came all summer long, all the messages, all the activities. One encounter with a deacon who was like, why are you gay? What are you doing in here? You need to be at the altar. I never saw that kid again. That caused quite a stir. What was interesting, I expected when Cam asked me that, in the same way when Van Lathan asked me originally, I said eventually this is going to go viral. I accepted that. I wasn't prepared for how viral this Cam Newton thing would go. I thought it would go less viral than the Van Lathan thing because it was nothing really new.

Speaker 5:
[08:10] It already cut you off. You felt like it already had its big blip in the MCU. Or like, I felt like it already had a big blip. It was already on its down curve.

Speaker 4:
[08:25] It had died off.

Speaker 1:
[08:26] You talking about the first, first time.

Speaker 4:
[08:27] The first, first one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. First one was gone. So I thought being asked about that, basically Cam Newton just asked me about what it was like, you know, the backlash that I faced. And that caused me to trend all over again. So I've decided, I have decided to follow Jesus. Huh? Careful. Oh, oh, me and Melissa talked about this all weekend. If you've been following for a long time, this actually really isn't new to you, especially if you're a fan of this podcast. You, I have talked about this a lot. The term now is deconstruction, but I don't think I had that terminology.

Speaker 1:
[09:12] Oh yeah, yeah, well we had talked, I said, you were like, what is deconstruction? And I said, you're questioning.

Speaker 4:
[09:18] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[09:20] You're questioning things.

Speaker 4:
[09:21] And the crazy thing is, if that is the definition, I think my deconstruction journey started long before I realized it. Even before queer things, I remember the first deconstruction thing that I ever probably now can say is when one of my, one of the elders in my church sent me this video for this pastor who was talking about tithing. And he was talking about, we don't have to tithe. Tithing is for certain people, for the Levites, blase, blase. And I remember, I've said this before on this podcast, the first scripture I memorized, and I don't know where it is in the Bible, but I still know it by heart, will a man rob God, yet you have robbed me? Where you say, well, you say, where have you robbed me? In tithes and offerings.

Speaker 1:
[10:10] Now, Leviticus.

Speaker 4:
[10:11] I don't know. Probably, I know theologian. You are cursed with a curse.

Speaker 1:
[10:15] Yeah, you are.

Speaker 4:
[10:18] So, Malachi, that's right. Malachi 3. Malachi sounds about right.

Speaker 1:
[10:23] It is Malachi.

Speaker 4:
[10:24] Malachi 3 and 10. They said that every Sunday morning at Bethlehem Temple, three times a day, they said it every time for years. God dang it. So, when that was challenged, I was really like, oh my gosh. And he was like, I was like, but if I don't pay my tithes, then my car's gonna break down. And he said, your car breaks down all the time.

Speaker 5:
[10:49] Oil change still do, regardless.

Speaker 4:
[10:51] He said, your car breaks down all the time because you have an old car. Not because you pay or don't pay your tithes. He said, if your parents bought you a brand spanking new car, whether you paid your tithes or not, that car would drive. And I said, no, because the man robbed God. Well, you say.

Speaker 1:
[11:12] What did he say?

Speaker 6:
[11:12] Well, you robbed God.

Speaker 4:
[11:15] And tithes and offering. I curse with a curse.

Speaker 1:
[11:17] You don't remember?

Speaker 4:
[11:18] But I put a curse with a curse if I don't pay tithe. And then also I was taught God loved the cheerful giver. Let me tell you what I didn't do. Give them tithes cheerfully.

Speaker 1:
[11:27] You got to skip when you give them, boy, don't count. You got to skip. You can face can be sad, but you got to.

Speaker 4:
[11:34] I was grudgingly. So somebody asked me, do I even think that gayness or queerness is a sin? And I really sat and thought about that Angel Laketa Moore, I think, is the actress. And I talked to Melissa about this, and I reevaluated my life over the last 10, 15 years. And I realized not only am I leading with love, I don't even treat gay people as if I think they're living in sin anymore. And I haven't for a long time. So I asked myself, do I think they are living in sin? And here's where I think I struggle with what I was taught.

Speaker 1:
[12:11] Okay, okay, you getting in there.

Speaker 4:
[12:14] That's a wrestle motion, too. This is where I think I struggle. And I think I really wrestle with that because I've told this story many times, and I'll rehash it now. When my son was born, that was the first problem I saw with what the Bible was taught and how it was taught to me and my interpretation of it and how I knew I would live my life. I remember thinking very clearly, man, it doesn't matter if my... I mean, Zae Zae about this big, just about this. Probably weighed about this much, little preemie baby. And I remember thinking and saying like, oh, I'm not going, I don't care who he loves. This my son, I'm going to love him regardless. I'm not kicking him out. He can live with me forever. And he was just like, he didn't even have no attraction. Just, right? So I think that was the first thing. Second thing happened, Jay brought his son to Washington. His son was maybe four or five at the time. And I mean, spitting image of Jason Fredericks. Just, we had never seen him, did not know he had a child this age.

Speaker 5:
[13:19] Just popped him at church, right?

Speaker 4:
[13:20] Just popped him at church, holding a little child's hand who looked just like him. No pretext.

Speaker 1:
[13:24] That's so hilarious.

Speaker 5:
[13:27] That's also very impressive.

Speaker 4:
[13:29] Yeah, we were just like, my man, who is this? He was like, this is my son, Josh.

Speaker 2:
[13:34] Well, clearly.

Speaker 4:
[13:36] Why do you have a five year old though?

Speaker 5:
[13:38] Did we miss stuff?

Speaker 1:
[13:39] You missed the baby here?

Speaker 2:
[13:40] Five year old, the baby showed up at five. Oh my God. With Jason's whole face holding his hand.

Speaker 4:
[13:48] I said, imagine seeing Julian, like how much Julian looked like Jay, but without the Puerto Rican skin, black skin, same disposition, same haircut. You know, at that age, all black boys had low even. Same smile. I said, now, why do you have, you have three kids now? He was like, yeah, got three kids.

Speaker 2:
[14:08] That was it. That was it.

Speaker 4:
[14:10] He was just like, yeah. It's like, why you didn't tell us you had a son? He was like, I don't know. Here's my son Josh. Also, can he spend the night?

Speaker 1:
[14:18] He's uncle.

Speaker 4:
[14:19] Like within a week or two, maybe a month, he was like, I gotta go out of town.

Speaker 1:
[14:25] Dear God. He's family now.

Speaker 4:
[14:29] For sure.

Speaker 1:
[14:30] He is family. Take him.

Speaker 6:
[14:33] I was like, yeah, I guess, right?

Speaker 4:
[14:38] Let me tell you what, Angel. Josh was a gay baby. At five, I said, oh, this baby gonna be gay. He just, I don't know that I should say these things. I don't know that I should feel these things, but this baby gonna be gay. Took some time. About 16, 17, Jay was like, by the way, Josh is gay. I said, well, you know, we knew, he was like, we all knew. I'm just telling you, like, he's out now. He had long hair by this time. I mean, gorgeous, right?

Speaker 1:
[15:11] Yeah, you're like, we saw the BTS of the Magic Show.

Speaker 6:
[15:13] We saw, we saw. It's like that episode of Curb.

Speaker 4:
[15:16] Larry!

Speaker 6:
[15:18] He was like that.

Speaker 4:
[15:18] I said, well, that baby, gay. So I wrestled with that. I said, hold on. Now y'all told me people was only gay because they was molested or they turned gay or they chose gay. I'm seeing a baby who was gay before he knew he was gay and kind of grew into his gay, right? This starts to mess with my mind because what people have been teaching me and what I'm starting to see, these things ain't lining up, right? Next thing to happen, my son's god mom, her name is Nicole Matheson, the girl you try to holler at.

Speaker 1:
[15:49] And I did a good job.

Speaker 6:
[15:50] Hey, bitch.

Speaker 1:
[15:52] Yeah, that's my gay bitch.

Speaker 6:
[15:55] She says you did good.

Speaker 1:
[15:56] Yeah. She's like, oh, actually, that works.

Speaker 4:
[15:58] So Maddie, she told us maybe 12 years ago, she was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm gay. And I think I've been gay since I was in high school, but I was kind of like, unsure, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she was terrified. She was like, I understand. You know, you guys are very Christian. You know, we all went to the same church in high school. She's like, I understand that, like, we might not be friends. You guys might, like, cast me out. And, you know, because I'm like, I'm finna be gay.

Speaker 1:
[16:35] I'm finna be all the way gay.

Speaker 4:
[16:36] I'm finna be gay. I got my girlfriend, and she was with a mask presenting stud. And we were like, we didn't know you was gay. Didn't know. But we was like, you're the kid's godmom. So, you, what you mean?

Speaker 2:
[16:56] We gon cast you out.

Speaker 4:
[16:58] You're their godmom. Also, we're going on this cruise. I remember when we went on a family cruise. Does the girl want to come? What? And be in y'all room. And y'all can do the scissoring.

Speaker 2:
[17:12] If y'all do scissoring, do scissoring.

Speaker 1:
[17:14] That seems so complex.

Speaker 4:
[17:15] Yeah, I was like, I was almost offended that you thought I was gon be, like, what kind of friend would I be to just throw you down?

Speaker 1:
[17:24] I just figured it out.

Speaker 4:
[17:25] Say it.

Speaker 1:
[17:26] What'd you figure out? Scissoring. Because every time, when people do it, they do this, right? And I'm like, this seems too complex. It really should be this.

Speaker 4:
[17:36] Yeah, you gotta plug that plug in there.

Speaker 1:
[17:38] But no, it's not this.

Speaker 4:
[17:39] Not like a true scissor.

Speaker 6:
[17:41] Right.

Speaker 1:
[17:41] So people can't do this, so I thought these were... No, but I thought these were feet. My fingernails are feet. Crotch is coochie.

Speaker 6:
[17:48] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[17:49] So that means there's a hit this way and a hit that way. That's not what's happening. The hits are up at the same angle. Feet are down. Uh-huh.

Speaker 4:
[17:59] Oh, you're standing up.

Speaker 1:
[18:00] Or lay down that way.

Speaker 4:
[18:02] Yeah, I feel like you just get, you line them coochies up like magnets.

Speaker 1:
[18:05] But you see, when you do this, this means my foot is at your head.

Speaker 5:
[18:08] No, it's like the Captain Planet rings.

Speaker 1:
[18:10] Well, where are your feet at?

Speaker 4:
[18:12] They're over to the side. The same way when you smash and your feet is-

Speaker 1:
[18:16] But when you do this, that's not smash.

Speaker 4:
[18:20] When you smash a man, your feet is together.

Speaker 1:
[18:23] But you see these feet aren't together.

Speaker 4:
[18:25] Well, that's just because our fingers go like this.

Speaker 1:
[18:28] Visually, I kept thinking. Got you. Even if I was gay, I would have to turn back straight because this seems like too much work.

Speaker 4:
[18:36] No, you've got to bump them coochies up.

Speaker 1:
[18:38] But this doesn't feel like too much work. This. This don't.

Speaker 4:
[18:44] I don't know the mechanics.

Speaker 1:
[18:46] But I thought, I've just never seen two women do this, and I was like, you got to be really committed to do this.

Speaker 4:
[18:52] To rub them coochies up.

Speaker 1:
[18:53] No, not rubbing the coochies. Rubbing coochies like this.

Speaker 4:
[18:56] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 4:
[20:51] So, let's be very clear. I have thought a lot about this and I also am okay if you disagree. I, where was he at? Oh, Maddie. I don't think she chose to be gay. I think, I mean, I've talked to more and more gay people as I've aged out of sheer curiosity and I've heard a variety of similar things. Remember, I did Ask a Gay Guy and one of the gay dudes, white dude, Kevin Verstee name, I was like, when did you know you were gay? He was like, when did you know you were straight? I was like, I think I've always known. He was like, I think I did too. Around the same age where you thought you like girls, I realized I like boys and he was saying, I was a regular boy, trucks, guns, swords. He was like, I wasn't like a flamboyant kid, but he was just like, most people were like, oh, I like girls.

Speaker 1:
[21:40] He was like, that's fun for you.

Speaker 4:
[21:42] I think I like boys, right? And here's the other thing that I've been wrestling with. Okay, we are all made in God's image. Okay. It seems to me that it would be unfair to make some people queer and say the way you are attracted to people, and that is internal, has always been in you, is inherently sinful, and there's no way out, right? And I know all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I know that, but I'm saying like, lust, lying, these are all things you cannot do, or if lust is the sin, I can get married, maybe I lust less. But if being attracted to somebody is intrinsically how I am, then this is what these people are telling me. I'm talking about what people have told me. This is how they felt, the same way I'm attracted to women, they're attracted to same sex, or they're bisexual, whatever it is. It seems unfair to make that a sin, because that means you're born into sin and there's nothing you can do about it. You either are resisting your feelings for that same sex to try to fit in with the world, and it's like, why would you choose to be gay knowing how the world treats gay people? I feel like a lot of gay people probably would like, am I speaking for you? I'm just saying if it were me, all this negativity that comes with this, if I could not do that, I would not do that, right? So that's part of it. I'm just like, and I'm okay saying, there's a lot of things about the Bible that I wrestle with and struggle with and contend with, and I still believe in God, still love people, still follow the principles, but everything, we might not agree. So I would love to talk to God and understand like, why would you make people, if gay is a sin, why would you make them gay? If that was a sin, you could make nobody gay. Nobody could be, they wouldn't be. As I'm seeing these people who are, and I believe them when they tell me, and I've seen that in these lives, in their lives, I'm not able to make sense of that. And here's the thing, I'm okay if you don't disagree. I mean, I'm okay if you don't agree with me on this. You don't have to, you Angel, you Joshy. I know my parents greatly disagree with me. My grandma, she don't believe with nothing I'm saying.

Speaker 3:
[24:15] She don't agree with nothing.

Speaker 4:
[24:17] What you mean?

Speaker 2:
[24:18] She don't even agree with lead with love. She ain't on that.

Speaker 3:
[24:22] They don't be on that.

Speaker 1:
[24:23] Lead with correction.

Speaker 2:
[24:25] Also, love to sin or hate to sin ain't biblical.

Speaker 1:
[24:28] No.

Speaker 4:
[24:29] We just like phrases that sound good.

Speaker 2:
[24:31] We love a good phrase. The Bible do not say love the sin or hate the sin.

Speaker 4:
[24:37] It doesn't say, it says love that neighbor, love that neighbor as themselves. They will know us by our love. It don't say nothing about hate. It don't say, oh, but in order to do, you got to qualify with the hate the sin. That is not a biblical phrase. Now I think that was my transition phrase. Cause first I was hate the sin and hate the sin. Then I went, okay, I'm gonna go love the sin or hate the sin. Now I'm just love the person. I don't know if it's sin. Now I think I'm sat firmly and love the people. I don't think it's a sin. If you tell, and I was really just thinking about how I've been treating people. Not like theologically, I'm not finna get into a debate with you because you can point to scripture. I can find a scripture. There's arguments about the word homophobic or homosexual didn't appear into the Bibles until 1940s. The scripture that we use abomination was mostly talking about men sleeping with little boys as they were with women. There's all these theological debates about who was talking and what. I'm not even here to argue on that because you probably gonna beat me on an argument. I'm not a theologian. I'm just a nigga who go to church. And I don't even do that as much anymore.

Speaker 1:
[25:44] You surely don't.

Speaker 4:
[25:45] I mean, why? Oh, we gonna talk about everything. Oh, we putting it on the table.

Speaker 1:
[25:48] I'm sorry. See, this is what I meant. This, this doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4:
[25:54] I want you to stick with me.

Speaker 1:
[25:55] Because I am, because they were like, Angel, why don't you get it? Cause that's what people were doing with their fingers. People are not smashing like this.

Speaker 5:
[26:02] I think, I think some might, Angel.

Speaker 1:
[26:04] Well, that's too much work. You're making sex too difficult. I've realized it's more like, it's more like this.

Speaker 4:
[26:11] But you're laying down.

Speaker 1:
[26:13] Yeah, lay down. Yeah, yeah. Even laying down. See, the heads are facing the same way. You seeing the feet? Versus this.

Speaker 4:
[26:25] I've actually never seen it done, so I don't know.

Speaker 5:
[26:26] It might be a preference thing, though. I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[26:28] I don't know how they do it. Where are the gays?

Speaker 1:
[26:31] You see what I'm saying? This doesn't make sense. This is not enjoyable.

Speaker 5:
[26:36] It might be like scissor A, scissor B, though.

Speaker 1:
[26:39] But that's why I think it's this. Crisscross applesauce this way.

Speaker 4:
[26:43] Maybe.

Speaker 1:
[26:44] That's what I'm saying. I just figured.

Speaker 5:
[26:46] That could look like a leg cramp, too, though.

Speaker 1:
[26:48] It could be.

Speaker 4:
[26:48] But where does your leg go with the bed, though?

Speaker 5:
[26:50] That's what I'm...

Speaker 1:
[26:51] It's laying on top of each other. Same way a man would lay on top of a woman. Just...

Speaker 4:
[26:55] Oh, okay. Off to... You go off side.

Speaker 1:
[26:57] Yeah. I thought feet were facing heads, and I said, no fun.

Speaker 5:
[27:02] It's the fact that this is the interstitch topic within this topic.

Speaker 4:
[27:06] Angel ain't gonna let it go till it makes sense for her.

Speaker 5:
[27:07] But that's what makes this podcast.

Speaker 4:
[27:08] That's what makes it Heres The Thing.

Speaker 1:
[27:09] Yes, sorry. And also, just to relieve some of the pressure that's on you. You know, Kevin.

Speaker 4:
[27:14] Wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 1:
[27:15] Go ahead. Because you still... I'm sorry. Get it off. Get it off. Get it off. It's a lot.

Speaker 4:
[27:19] So apparently, also during this time, I was considered a gay ally and I wasn't doing enough. So the Christian people were mad that I was...

Speaker 5:
[27:28] Is this pre or post Theological Thursdays?

Speaker 1:
[27:30] I know. This is what's at the journey for me.

Speaker 5:
[27:33] There's a lot of blips in the MCU. This is why I'm asking.

Speaker 4:
[27:35] This is all... OK, so Theological Thursdays. Interestingly enough, I was talking to Melissa about this. When that happened, I was being... The gays were mad and the Christians were mad. But I sided with the gays because the gays wanted me to take the video down, video harmful. Christians wanted me to leave the video up, video good for the kingdom. I said, I'm gonna go with the gays. I don't want to do harm. Kingdom are already strong. Y'all got enough people to be like, gays, hell, gays, gays, hell, hell, gays, gays, hell, hell, gays, gays, hell, hell. Y'all got plenty of that. I don't want to add to that. So I realized I sided with the gays at that time. And I'm realizing like. I realized that this is very progressive. But if you followed me for a long time, you know my biggest problem with Christianity in my life was the hypocrisy of the people around me. And that looked like people saying one thing and doing another. Throughout this whole conversation, I can't tell you the amount of people, pastors. One of my cousins hit me. And she said, she texted me, she said, hey, Kev, I just want you to know, thank you for standing up for the LGBTQIA community. You may have not known it, but you were standing up for me. She sent this yesterday. I said, you gay now? And she said, I've always been bi. You know, our home church wasn't a safe space. I literally got rebuked for my skirt being above my knees. I came out to my parents in college, but my brother knew when I was in high school. I said, wow, I never knew. She said most people didn't. She started talking about myself. So I know this girl, but I don't remember not knowing her. Like not real cousin, but black cousin. But I don't remember not, I spent the night at their house all the time. I didn't know you was gay or bi.

Speaker 1:
[29:29] Cause why would you need to know? You don't even know what she's doing with her coochie.

Speaker 4:
[29:32] And that's what I'm saying. I realized in my actual practice of life, if you told me you're gay, it's almost the same as telling me you're Dominican. I'd be like, oh, snap, okay. It is like a descriptor of you, not a qualifier of our relationship. I'm not, and I was talking to List about this. One of my interns hit me up with like, I've been gay for how long I was Kev's intern. He treated me great. And I realized I never was like, oh, eventually I'm gonna pull you to the side and be like, now you know you're sinful. I never had that going for me. So I'm not gonna lead a life where, oh, that was the other part I was gonna say. A lot of pastors are like, man, Kev, quietly, I agree with you. I just can't publicly, especially over the last week, texting me, DMing me. I just can't publicly go with you there, but you know, you keep speaking up for the kingdom. And I be telling them, get out here with me. Why?

Speaker 5:
[30:22] Why can't you publicly do it?

Speaker 4:
[30:25] Because my church and you know this and people aren't ready. They let me get out here and get lambasted and they agree and I just can't do it.

Speaker 5:
[30:35] Because all your tithes is that funky little five, man.

Speaker 4:
[30:37] And in my soul, the thing that bothered me the most as a kid is I was with the rules. And then I found out we wasn't all playing by them.

Speaker 1:
[30:45] Oh no, they not playing with the rules.

Speaker 4:
[30:47] And I said, I'm not going to do that. So I'm going to let you talk, Angel, but while we're here, I don't think gay people is living in sin. I feel like they are, if they just living with a gayness, right? That is how they attracted people. I don't think it separates them from God's love, agree or disagree. Also, I ain't been paying my tithes. Ain't been paying at all in a good amount of years.

Speaker 5:
[31:15] Not even Easter?

Speaker 1:
[31:16] You have to give in to the game, Kevin.

Speaker 4:
[31:18] I give, offering.

Speaker 5:
[31:20] I'll put it on, oh man.

Speaker 4:
[31:22] Straight 10% of my income.

Speaker 5:
[31:24] No, I mean, when I stream, I'll put it on on Easter because the QR came up.

Speaker 4:
[31:28] Let's talk about it. If you go and drag me, get me for everything.

Speaker 2:
[31:32] I give a lot.

Speaker 4:
[31:34] I give, I give all types of ways.

Speaker 5:
[31:36] Well, I mean, now 10% would be-

Speaker 4:
[31:38] Straight 10%. I'd probably give that throughout my employees and the people in the community easily, but straight to a church, no sir. Also, I don't think masturbation doesn't sit no more. I beat that me. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[31:50] I beat that me.

Speaker 1:
[31:51] I don't think anybody was wondering how you felt about it.

Speaker 2:
[31:53] No, we gon get it all out.

Speaker 1:
[31:55] Nobody was wondering.

Speaker 2:
[31:55] That me get beat. Would you know? When I'm on, no, Angel. When I'm on the road, especially, I be beating it. I beat it. If I'm gon be gone from this for five, six, seven days, I say, I be beating it. Let's talk about it. If you gon clip me, let's get it all on the table now.

Speaker 1:
[32:15] No, we don't want that on the table.

Speaker 4:
[32:17] There was so, I be beating it. And I know a lot of y'all do too, cause y'all be like, well, brother, I struggle. And we just can't talk about it. And also, I told my kids that I think it's a healthy way to express yourself and learn about your body.

Speaker 2:
[32:29] Whoop-de-doo! Well, whoop-de-doo.

Speaker 4:
[32:31] Y'all taught me with spilling seed. And then I heard spilling seed was more about pulling out and not continuing the bloodline, had nothing to do with jacking off. One of these pastors told me there ain't no scripture for women. Where's the spilling three scriptures for women?

Speaker 2:
[32:43] Cause we can, cause you can DJ, ain't no seed to spill. I said, I'm not finna let them play DJ and I can't beat that meat.

Speaker 4:
[32:51] Now about 2013, now I was doing it all the time. I just lost combination around 2013.

Speaker 2:
[32:57] I've been doing it, doing it my whole life.

Speaker 4:
[33:00] Just stopped feeling condemned. Oh, what else? I had another thing that-

Speaker 1:
[33:04] Okay, my turn. Okay, so, you know, what I think where, where I always get confused is if in Christianity, if I'm big focus is like, what sets us apart is that we believe that a savior came, a savior died, a savior rose, and accepting him as your savior is your key to heaven. That is the, that is, or eternal life. I feel like that's what sets us apart from other religions, even though there are other religions that have similar, similar stories, hours rising, and then the acceptance, heart, blah, blah, blah. All this other, I don't care about. That's really what it boils down to. I don't care about, I don't want the energy in trying to process someone's life and hold it to a ruler of, mm, but that's sin. The only time you're gonna see me get riled up is if it's got to do with children. Then I'll be like, I don't even need a Bible to think that you are hellion. I don't have to be a Christian to think that you is out of pocket and you don't deserve to really be here on this planet. Outside of that, I'm like, whatever you're doing with the consenting adult, why does that have any bearing on my religious beliefs?

Speaker 4:
[34:45] Work out your own soul salvation. Y'all agreed? Y'all safe? Ain't nobody being taken advantage of? I literally have so many things to do today.

Speaker 1:
[35:01] But the obsession specifically with the hermosexuals that in the black church, in the white church too, but we're talking about us, is wild to me. We have such an obsession on what two people are doing in their own bedroom that ain't got a damn to do with us. And not just that, they're obsessed with what you think about it as a straight man. You ain't even over there in that community. And they said, but what do you want? What do you think about it? What do you?

Speaker 4:
[35:38] It's like asking me, what do I think about what's going on in the natural hair community?

Speaker 2:
[35:41] I'm bald. I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[35:44] Kevin, you're bald?

Speaker 2:
[35:45] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[35:46] I was, and in the fact that they want what you to think about it to be something harmful, they want it. This morning, again, see, this is why I don't be on social media. I'm pissed off that I was morning.

Speaker 4:
[35:59] I saw you made it. I said, Angel been on the internet.

Speaker 1:
[36:02] I was mad. Because I was just like, I, you know, my Instagram was full of a lot of people crossing over to the D9. So I was watching the little baby step. I was like, As soon as I saw your first video, I said, what are they doing to my friend? And I know, and also I know you, is that both of our love language is words of affirmation. So with you and also because you're a way bigger star, the words that are opposite of words of affirmation also affects you very much so. Like we couldn't even shoot, we were having trouble shooting our last Unruly Cousins because you were distracted by the tomfoolery. And I was like, no, no, no, we make content, we have fun. And he was in his dag on phone talking to an imaginary man.

Speaker 5:
[36:52] Oh, that's right. I forgot that was the same day.

Speaker 1:
[36:54] Yes. So, yes. So I was like, ah, this is about to take up all of his god dag on brain space. And he gonna be very much so like, we gotta talk about it. And I was like, fuck these people.

Speaker 4:
[37:08] Which reminds me, I also be cussing. Now, if you're lucky enough to be a close friend of mine, Angel, Joshy, Tony, Tab, to hear, you probably done heard me cuss. That's the fourth thing I was trying to remember.

Speaker 1:
[37:23] You said, what's the other thing? Why does everybody knows you cuss?

Speaker 5:
[37:26] That's just such a normalized thing in your life now.

Speaker 6:
[37:28] You don't even think about it.

Speaker 4:
[37:29] What? Via text, in person?

Speaker 1:
[37:33] He be cussing.

Speaker 4:
[37:33] It's not all the time, but it ain't none of the time.

Speaker 1:
[37:36] I just, I can't wait.

Speaker 4:
[37:38] Put it all together when y'all clip me, so you could be like, KevOnStage does all this.

Speaker 1:
[37:43] Oh no, you're gonna help. Then that's fine.

Speaker 2:
[37:45] I'm going to hell with the gays.

Speaker 4:
[37:47] And that's the things. I be getting called lukewarm Christian. You don't hold the thermometer.

Speaker 6:
[37:53] Come on.

Speaker 4:
[37:54] That is not your choice to make. You don't know the posture of my heart.

Speaker 2:
[37:58] God decides who is lukewarm, who is hot, who is cold.

Speaker 4:
[38:02] And he also knows when people are posturing, when people are doing what they want other people to see, how Christians virtue signal, how we understand what this makes it look like and what you are doing with your actual life. So you might, God, David sent a man to the front lines to get killed so he could have sex with his wife. And the Bible says he is a man after God's own heart.

Speaker 2:
[38:26] And he did that.

Speaker 4:
[38:28] Go get that Uriah killed and bring Bathsheba to me. And I'm about to take her down. I'm the king and she can't tell me no. And that's who the Bible says is a man after God's own heart. Who are you to tell me how lukewarm or cold or hot I am? You don't have the thermometer, the temperature on my life. You ain't got no heaven or hell to put me in.

Speaker 1:
[38:46] Let them, let them, I just, I just let them feel that way.

Speaker 4:
[38:50] And honestly, people have been checking on me all week. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, I don't give a damn.

Speaker 6:
[39:00] Ooh, look at you.

Speaker 5:
[39:02] I thought you were going to go somewhere else.

Speaker 1:
[39:04] No, he's not ready for this.

Speaker 5:
[39:07] That would be the clip.

Speaker 2:
[39:08] Ah, damn. Add that to your list, all right? We put it all on the table.

Speaker 6:
[39:14] We shaking the table.

Speaker 2:
[39:16] Let's get it all out.

Speaker 1:
[39:18] It's just crazy to write think pieces about what somebody else thinks about something that ain't got shit to do with you. That's where I was so confused and so tired of it all.

Speaker 5:
[39:36] That sounds exhausting in itself.

Speaker 1:
[39:38] Yes, I was literally coming here today researching. I was about to get distracted. I was about to research I Spice. And I went on to Threads and I saw another think piece still on this and I was like, no Threads, I don't want this. Do not confuse the algorithm.

Speaker 4:
[39:54] KevOnStage from your algo.

Speaker 1:
[39:55] So this person came up with their full theory, a person who's never met you and very convicted about they in their own convictions felt they were right. Felt that you were siding with this community because it is no longer popular to hold gay people to this standard. Like they feel like you're doing it to grow your audience, not because it's your true beliefs. That literally, no. I wish I cared enough to save it to read it to you because they were like, because in this example, they held this person to a certain standard. Now they don't even know anything about that situation. And they were like, that's how I know in this situation, he's just kind of pandering to another audience. And a part of me, but then I was like, oh Angel, you don't care.

Speaker 4:
[40:49] If anything, I'd be losing the majority of my audience.

Speaker 1:
[40:51] That's what some people say. But I wanted to be like, let me pose a question to you. What if you're wrong? Then what? What if every, cause they were like, he's not being genuine. That's what they were like, this is not his genuine beliefs. He's just pandering. And I wanted to be like, but what if, I want you to put this in your mind, what if you're wrong? Now what? What if he does genuinely believe all this? And what if this situation that you're talking about on the side that you know nothing about, you're wrong about that? Now, what happens? Threads is just Facebook.

Speaker 4:
[41:28] With words.

Speaker 1:
[41:29] Yes, with words, but for younger people who are trapped in that mindset. And again, and if I am Luke Warm, what you gonna do? What's gonna happen?

Speaker 4:
[41:42] And what does it matter? And this is what I was talking to Alyssa about. She was like, Kev, but I don't want you to try to appease these people. I'm not trying to appease anybody, not the gay people, not the straight people. All I'm telling you is here's where I'm at in my journey, in my life, that's it. I'm just trying to make sense of this thing called life. And I've been on here 42 years, the stuff that made sense to me at 10 and 15 didn't make sense to me at 20 and 25. But I still got to keep living.

Speaker 1:
[42:08] But they want you to shut up.

Speaker 4:
[42:09] Can't do it.

Speaker 1:
[42:10] They want you to shut up.

Speaker 4:
[42:11] And guess what? You know, as Christians, they're supposed to know you by your love. Oh, we're behind on the ad.

Speaker 1:
[42:17] I know.

Speaker 4:
[42:18] I know you, they're supposed to know you by your love. I think so many of the people who are up in arms, we know you by your persecution. You over indexing persecution. You over indexing condemnation. Oh, you done spoke the truth.

Speaker 1:
[42:33] They think that's love.

Speaker 6:
[42:34] You done called them out.

Speaker 4:
[42:36] Where is the other fruit?

Speaker 1:
[42:37] There is no other fruit, Kevin. It's rotten. It's rotten. That's why I don't be over there with them people. I don't have time for it. I don't have the time. I don't want my children growing up with that being the experience that they have. The experience Amar has with God is that when he keeps thinking that there are spiders on his pillow at night, I'd be like, we're gonna pray. That's his experience with God. Is that we serve a God that's gonna take them spiders out of your mind and off of your pillow.

Speaker 4:
[43:10] You serve a spider removing God.

Speaker 1:
[43:12] That's what he serves. You don't serve a God that is over here worried about people's sexual orientation. There are so many things. People are actually dying.

Speaker 4:
[43:23] Let's talk about this man who murdered his wife in cold blood.

Speaker 1:
[43:28] A very heterosexual man.

Speaker 4:
[43:29] A heterosexual man who murdered his wife in cold blood. You're talking about love sin and hate the sinner. You didn't even talk about the man that he murdered his wife. He's a good person.

Speaker 2:
[43:38] I don't know how.

Speaker 4:
[43:39] The murder man? Let's talk about the man in Louisiana who murdered eight children.

Speaker 1:
[43:45] Yes, another.

Speaker 2:
[43:45] Shot eight children.

Speaker 1:
[43:47] Another man.

Speaker 4:
[43:48] Presumably heterosexual.

Speaker 1:
[43:50] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[43:51] Let's talk about the things that really matter.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 4:
[43:58] Put it on your nose.

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Speaker 4:
[48:44] Touch your nose.

Speaker 1:
[48:46] I heard a clip. I was watching a clip. Tony Baker actually did a reaction to the clip. It was two young ladies on a podcast talking. It was about going home with random men at clubs, at the end of clubs. One young lady was like, no, if we going out, I'm like, you get his number, but you calling them all, you ain't leaving. And the other one was like, you can't tell me what to do. I'ma do whatever I want to do. And that might be what I'm going to do. And I was thinking, oh, well, me and that person couldn't be friends because-

Speaker 4:
[49:22] Which one?

Speaker 1:
[49:23] The one who said, if I'ma go sleep with this one night, saying if I'ma leave with him, I'm leaving with him. There's nothing you can do.

Speaker 4:
[49:28] You can be friends with that person?

Speaker 1:
[49:29] Yeah, no, you're not about to have me stressed out because these straight men is killing people. They are. See, I did tie it back to what we talked to you. You did good. It took everything in me. You did good. I said, I don't know what we were talking about.

Speaker 4:
[49:41] You didn't even bring up scissoring.

Speaker 1:
[49:43] Because this don't make sense. This do. Somebody say it do make sense that it feel good. You're lying to yourself. Listen, I'll be with you gays, but don't you tell me this work. Anyways, the straight men are the killing the folk.

Speaker 4:
[49:59] Did a white man just kill a black woman a week or two ago on vacation? An influencer or something?

Speaker 1:
[50:06] We think that her husband, they were either married or engaged.

Speaker 4:
[50:11] I didn't know that.

Speaker 1:
[50:11] They were in a romantic relationship. Yes. They're killing folk. These gay babies, the only violence we usually have to worry about with them is to themselves. That's because of the way people who ate a lot of times in their community are treating them. They ain't out here perpetuating violence or other folk. I mean, I'm sure there's some domestic violence. For sure. For sure. But statistically, it's the straights and a lot of the Christ-professing straights that's out here tearing folk up.

Speaker 4:
[50:43] And listen, I've been in church my whole life, man. Let me tell you what. Just never mind. I just, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm almost 43. You, you, you know how I feel. I'm, I'm probably, I'm probably less likely to, to, there's probably not anything that you're going to say that's going to change my mind because it's going to be going up against what I've experienced and the experiences of people close to me and around me, and their lived experience and your interpretation of the Bible. And you often have not studied the Bible in depth. And what I mean by that is cross-reference, seminary. You likely don't have much of a different understanding of the Bible than I do. You're not a masters in the divinity holder. You're not a theologian. You don't have a doctorate of divinity. You haven't went to seminary. It's very easy to trump it and agree with the scripture. Somebody was like, how are you going to go with these people, Kevin? Their lives don't align with scripture. I've said on a myriad of occasions, we do things all day long that don't align with scripture. Slavery is in the scripture. The Bible was used as a justification tool to backup slavery, colonialism, manifest destiny. There's stuff as simple, we use it jokingly, but it really is in there. The Bible can tell you you shouldn't wear clothes of two fabrics. You shouldn't eat shrimp or pork. I had a pork-shrimp sandwich last night.

Speaker 1:
[52:25] That sounds disgusting.

Speaker 4:
[52:26] And I did it, carne asada with a little side of shrimp. I didn't really, it was just making a little joke. You should, in Leviticus, you shouldn't cut your beard. And then you hear, oh, that was under the law. Jesus was under grace. If that's true, which I do believe, then the Bible contradicts itself because the things that Jesus did, we were now under grace versus under law. We can argue till we're blue in the face. I don't care. I feel how I feel.

Speaker 5:
[52:55] I got a beard, Kev.

Speaker 4:
[52:56] I got a beard. You feel how you feel?

Speaker 1:
[52:59] Guess what? We don't, we're not even, I wanna be like, we're not even in the same thing. You know what? Whatever religion you a part of, I'm not a part of this. That's what I really wanna be like. Kev got tattoos too.

Speaker 2:
[53:10] And I got tattoos.

Speaker 1:
[53:11] That way we ain't even gotta argue. We not a part of the same thing. That's fine. Let's go ahead. You don't gotta argue me down because you not a part of my religion.

Speaker 4:
[53:23] Yes, and that's the thing. And honestly, as a person, and I mean this with no ill will in my heart towards you, if this is where you draw the line in your support of me, I understand.

Speaker 1:
[53:36] They not, they gonna be here cause they want the jokes. They want to laugh. They don't, because these other people are not funny. They want the funny funny.

Speaker 4:
[53:44] And that's the thing, the gay people are fun as well.

Speaker 2:
[53:47] And they write the good music and they arrange the good songs. And we be having a kiki.

Speaker 5:
[53:52] Duran had a great episode on J.Hud yesterday.

Speaker 4:
[53:55] And he pulled up to my wedding and he and Tamara are the reason it was fun.

Speaker 2:
[54:00] Okay?

Speaker 4:
[54:01] Tam ain't even gay, I'm just saying.

Speaker 5:
[54:02] I was gonna say.

Speaker 1:
[54:04] Tam will probably eat some koochie. I don't know her business. I don't know her business, but Tam might. I feel like Tam is an open person. I'm not saying what her sexual preferences are.

Speaker 2:
[54:15] Lord.

Speaker 5:
[54:16] I mean, you served that one up though, Kev.

Speaker 2:
[54:19] I did not.

Speaker 5:
[54:20] Yes, you did.

Speaker 2:
[54:21] I said she's not gay.

Speaker 1:
[54:23] No, I'm not saying she's gay either. I'm just saying Tam is a very open person. I feel like if the mood was right, she would be like, it's fine. I'm like, well, what are we all over here?

Speaker 4:
[54:34] All I know, Tam, is she like men and she smoke a little smoke. And she put me on a little dish, a Jamaican dish I'd never heard of that.

Speaker 1:
[54:41] I'm saying she moved.

Speaker 4:
[54:43] Yeah, I'm sad she moved too. But anyway, are we all hearts and minds clear?

Speaker 1:
[54:49] No, and what I also want to say, Kevin, damn it, as your friend, because this is gonna, you're gonna get dragged many more times.

Speaker 2:
[54:59] Many more times?

Speaker 1:
[55:01] Because you keep trying to go to higher heights, right? So.

Speaker 4:
[55:04] That is the truth.

Speaker 1:
[55:06] Yeah, you're gonna get dragged more.

Speaker 4:
[55:07] If I was where I was in Tacoma, it wouldn't even benefit you to talk about me because nobody would know who you're talking about.

Speaker 1:
[55:13] Exactly. I can't wait until you get to the point where people talking about you is just as effective as them talking into their own butt hole. That is how effective it is to getting to you. That they might as well lift their legs and shout into their anus. That is what I want for you. I want you to miss it. I want you to be like, wait, somebody said it? Oh yeah. That is what I want for you. I know it might be impossible, but I do think that these people, other than maybe you being able to have a come to Jesus with your wife about what do we believe, other than that, this is a waste of your creative energy.

Speaker 4:
[56:05] I honestly, no funny stuff. I think I've reached this point on this subject of where I was on KevOnStage Ain't Funny. Remember how I just had to prove, but I am, but it doesn't matter. And then eventually I was just like, I genuinely do not care. I think I've reached that point with this as well. I'm not changing my mind. You're not changing your mind. I'm going to continue to make my videos and do my shows and do my stuff. You can support or not support, buy a ticket, not buy a ticket. I don't care if you don't agree with me. I don't care. I'm not trying to be, I'm not purporting myself to be an ally nor a villain. I'm just living my life and trying to make sense of the world as I see it, as I experience it, as I understand it, to engage with a lot of people and engage with my family who... I got some gays up in there. Good amount. Got some trans too.

Speaker 1:
[57:00] I'm trying to be an ally, even though I don't understand all the stuff, especially not the scissoring.

Speaker 4:
[57:05] I'm not trying to not be an ally. I just don't want to, if I consider myself an ally, I'm likely to disappoint you because I probably won't go far enough. But, oh, I said this to Melissa and we could talk about Mary J. Blige after this. If you knew me from where I started my life in El Paso, Texas, under a very dogmatic, Pentecostal, fundamentalist, that's how we came up, everything is bad, everything is wrong, the movies are bad, you can't wear pants, she don't love God and she wears pants.

Speaker 1:
[57:38] Oh, I surely did.

Speaker 4:
[57:39] Go from that part of my life to where I am now is quite the journey. If you didn't start where I started, then this might not seem like that much to you. But from where I started to where I am now is night and day. Kevin Fredericks from 1994, 96, 2000, would be like, you mean, I believe what? There's no way. That's what happens with age. I'm not going to live a life where I don't question things and I don't interrogate things. I'm definitely not going to live my life on a way of like, I'm always going to believe what I always believe because I always believed it. I interviewed Kennedy Ryan yesterday.

Speaker 1:
[58:22] Oh, Kennedy in her good books.

Speaker 4:
[58:24] She's great. We had a great episode. She said something and I told her I'm going to steal it from her. She said, I don't live my life on heirloom faith. I'm not just living the thing that was passed down and passed down and passed down and passed down. I am applying my thoughts, fears, questions to Bible and the world as I see it. And if you don't agree, that's okay. Amen. Any more things you want to say?

Speaker 1:
[58:51] I don't think so. No more.

Speaker 4:
[58:53] No more. That's why I said it all today.

Speaker 1:
[58:56] Because it only came into my algorithm because you talked on it.

Speaker 4:
[58:59] I know and I don't usually when that man said that stuff, I didn't actually say nothing.

Speaker 1:
[59:05] You said it. Here, we heard you.

Speaker 4:
[59:06] Well, y'all are going to be my friends, you're going to deal with it now. You don't want to be my friends, then you shut up and get out.

Speaker 1:
[59:11] That's why I said my desire is that it's like them shouting into their anus. Then it just, you're like, wait a minute, somebody said something? Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[59:20] And honestly, that whole thing wasn't even what he said. It was like, how you are not even a big creator and you got me to be trending for three days. That was the thing that was blowing my mind, not what he said. I was just, I was like, oh my, usually you have to be big, but the way these algorithms work, ooh, if your name is big.

Speaker 1:
[59:39] And Kim Burrell.

Speaker 4:
[59:42] If your name is big, anything, I can get your stuff going on anything. Cause the name is big. If somebody found out Joshy was, I don't even know what the thing is. Joshy was anti Wednesdays. And they're like, man, y'all know Joshy hates Wednesdays. It's going to be hard to trend. It's going to be like, the photography dude. I just thought he was taking pictures and getting married. Also, what does it matter? Like, threats are going to be like, ah, ain't nobody really engaging with this person who's anti Joshy. You know what I'm saying? Joshy just, he's photography, videography, lover of one black woman, getting married. But KevOnStage is video, video, this, this, head, head, handsome, tall, athletic, gorgeous, people magazine, all those things.

Speaker 1:
[60:29] Wait a second, where do we go?

Speaker 4:
[60:32] People are always like, man, he's so handsome, he's so handsome. He's so tall, he's so tall.

Speaker 1:
[60:36] Is that what was trending too?

Speaker 4:
[60:38] So many people were like, by the way, what's being lost in all this is how handsome he really is. And I don't say nothing out of respect for Melissa, but he really is such a handsome guy. But I respect Melissa so much, I don't say it, I'm like, respect, respect.

Speaker 1:
[60:50] Respect, respect. It was like they showed up to a KevCon and Kevin didn't show up. That's what I wanted it to be, that you didn't show up. They all bought their tickets, they all bought their merch, and then you don't show up. And it's just like, oh well. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, what we talk about next? People killing folk, or are we talking about Mary J. Blige and this chicken?

Speaker 4:
[61:12] Let's go light. People killing folks, black men, stop killing your wives.

Speaker 1:
[61:19] Just kill yourself if you're gonna do that.

Speaker 2:
[61:21] If you're gonna kill, just kill yourself.

Speaker 5:
[61:25] I'm not gonna take that out, but I'm not gonna take that out.

Speaker 1:
[61:27] I'm just saying, if you're gonna do self-harm, do that first.

Speaker 4:
[61:31] I should take it out, but, Patreon won't understand. But like, the amount of black women who've been murdered over the last month is crazy.

Speaker 1:
[61:43] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[61:44] Stop doing that. Stop.

Speaker 1:
[61:46] March was Mental Health Month, and March did not do the work it needed to do. It didn't, because I'm telling you what. But Mary J. Blige said that...

Speaker 4:
[61:55] Mary J.

Speaker 2:
[61:56] Blige said it ain't funny.

Speaker 1:
[61:57] She said, it's not a laughing matter. I done lost friends.

Speaker 6:
[62:01] Who would leave...

Speaker 4:
[62:02] If you don't know what we're talking about, Mary J. Blige was on Scott Evans' Houseguest. He asked her about Crispy Chicken. It looked to me as if he was like, you know, how you feel about that? She was like, it's not funny. He was like, mm-mm.

Speaker 1:
[62:13] He was like, let me hold this right on in.

Speaker 4:
[62:16] It's not.

Speaker 6:
[62:17] He did good.

Speaker 4:
[62:19] She said.

Speaker 1:
[62:20] She would have ended up leaving my interview.

Speaker 4:
[62:22] Oh, man.

Speaker 1:
[62:22] I'd have been like.

Speaker 4:
[62:24] I'd have been like, now I'm married.

Speaker 1:
[62:25] So, what, tell me why it's not a laughing matter?

Speaker 4:
[62:27] So, she said, she said, which I, and I'm talking about Angel, I'm so curious. She said in the interview, like, she don't know how that happened and stuff, and I wanna see the deck. I wanna see what they pitched her, cause I'm like, how did, what did you think this was gonna be when you sang Crispy Chicken, fresh lettuce, three cheeses, like you sang those words?

Speaker 1:
[62:56] When they put you on the day when you shot it, standing on a booth with the microphone, and you start off, what's in a Crispy Chicken lettuce rack?

Speaker 2:
[63:09] Mary?

Speaker 1:
[63:11] It to me, I thought she was in on the joke.

Speaker 4:
[63:16] Is what I thought too.

Speaker 1:
[63:18] I was like, she gotta be in on the joke because you don't, me, I don't read that and don't read it as funny that our biggest R&B artist of the time.

Speaker 2:
[63:29] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[63:30] Cause I figured she was in on the joke and the check was hefty.

Speaker 4:
[63:35] And we would have understood either or.

Speaker 1:
[63:39] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[63:39] The check was the check or you thought it was funny. Best case both. I thought she was making fun of those like, remember the 90 McDonald's?

Speaker 2:
[63:46] Don't be stingy.

Speaker 4:
[63:48] I thought she was making fun of those McDonald's commercials where they was like to get to the black people, you got to do the 90's R&B. He was in the rain. But she was like, no, I was on a bad management, a bad team. They set me up for that. She fired them and she said she lost friends over Crispy Chicken.

Speaker 1:
[64:03] I don't know if they thought, maybe people, maybe she was getting called a coon, maybe. Maybe people think she was doing like-

Speaker 4:
[64:12] I didn't even see that at the time though.

Speaker 1:
[64:13] I didn't either, but I'm like, maybe that was a part of what she was being.

Speaker 4:
[64:17] Her experience.

Speaker 1:
[64:18] Yes, her experience to make it a thing of, I don't find this funny.

Speaker 4:
[64:22] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[64:23] Versus somebody making fun of what she did, like finding humor in that.

Speaker 4:
[64:28] Would you leave me over Crispy Chicken?

Speaker 1:
[64:30] No, I would laugh and bring it up all the time.

Speaker 5:
[64:32] It's a different context, though.

Speaker 4:
[64:34] Because you're comedians?

Speaker 1:
[64:36] But even if I wasn't, though.

Speaker 4:
[64:39] I don't know how you'd be like, man, the fact that you made Crispy Chicken song, it can't be your friend no more.

Speaker 1:
[64:45] It's just like Lisa Rinna with the big lips from Real Housewives. She did a Depends campaign.

Speaker 2:
[64:52] Oh, really?

Speaker 1:
[64:52] Yes, so she had to wear the disposable drawers.

Speaker 5:
[64:55] She's the one that did Traders.

Speaker 2:
[64:56] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[64:57] I'm on board now.

Speaker 4:
[64:58] Yeah, Rob got her out.

Speaker 1:
[64:59] And you know, she comes from Soap Opera World, which is not like...

Speaker 2:
[65:02] Oh, I didn't know that either.

Speaker 1:
[65:03] Yeah, it's not held in like the highest of regards.

Speaker 4:
[65:05] She was an actress?

Speaker 1:
[65:07] Yeah, Lisa Rinna is an actress.

Speaker 4:
[65:09] I only knew from reality TV.

Speaker 1:
[65:11] Oh yeah, no, that's how she got on the television show.

Speaker 4:
[65:14] No, never knew this at all.

Speaker 1:
[65:16] Yeah. And she was like, people were looking at her like she was crazy. And she said, that was the most money I've ever been paid. She said it was a seven figure campaign. Wow.

Speaker 4:
[65:34] That means at least a million dollars, at least.

Speaker 1:
[65:37] Everybody stopped laughing.

Speaker 4:
[65:39] Listen, would you do a Depends commercial?

Speaker 1:
[65:41] I have done them.

Speaker 4:
[65:44] Oh, you did do the brand deal.

Speaker 1:
[65:45] I have done several. I piss on myself. I tell people that for free, because it's the truth, for free.

Speaker 2:
[65:55] OK, you peed when we did that dance video.

Speaker 1:
[65:59] Indeed, that wasn't for jokes.

Speaker 4:
[66:02] Spritz, spritz.

Speaker 1:
[66:02] There was no like, oh, set it up, set up the joke. It was really not going to doing that, doing that jump so hard. My bladder was like, wow, it's just.

Speaker 4:
[66:15] It's just gave up, so I feel bad for laughing at Crispy Chicken now.

Speaker 1:
[66:21] I don't feel bad. It was funny. It was hilarious. I feel bad for her experience that I didn't know about. That was a comedic commercial. They even did the sound of the amp being turned on before she started singing. That commercial was meant to be funny for sure. So I don't apologize for laughing at the funny commercial. I do feel bad that she experienced backlash that we weren't aware of, but that ain't got shit to do with me. That ain't got nothing to do with me. That's got to do with her, her friends and family. What do you got to do with me is factor in me being hungry. I'm hungry right now.

Speaker 4:
[66:58] I'm hungry right now too.

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Speaker 4:
[67:36] You actually are absolutely right, Angel.

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Speaker 4:
[69:38] All right. In other news, I Spice got into a fight at a McDonald's. From what I can tell, I Spice is sitting up in there eating her McDonald's, her and another girl.

Speaker 1:
[69:53] I think I did see this.

Speaker 4:
[69:54] A fan walks up to her and you can't hear, but apparently the girl asked her for a picture or said she was pretty or something like that. She didn't like the way I Spice responded to her. So she smacked I Spice in the McDonald's and then they followed I Spice started fighting back, they followed her outside and they get into a full on altercation outside. People were asking why is I Spice eating McDonald's at McDonald's with no security?

Speaker 1:
[70:34] I Spice don't look like she would eat McDonald's.

Speaker 4:
[70:37] And I don't think...

Speaker 1:
[70:43] I Spice don't look like she would eat McDonald's. She be in the deli, just shaking a jelly. I guess they thought it would be a real deli and not McDonald's.

Speaker 4:
[70:58] Why is it a surprise that I Spice is eating McDonald's?

Speaker 1:
[71:02] I think she would. I think she would.

Speaker 4:
[71:05] Alone with no security? That actually is a surprise. I mean, not alone, but I guess with no security is considered alone. The girl, Crossmore, didn't help.

Speaker 1:
[71:12] In this economy, everything is...

Speaker 4:
[71:14] Listen, man, the security costs.

Speaker 1:
[71:16] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[71:17] 500 a day. Maybe I Spice thought she was saving McDonald's. She thought, most, I got to take a picture. I'm not going to get smacked because I don't have my security.

Speaker 1:
[71:24] These girls are crazy.

Speaker 4:
[71:25] Maybe she's not on tour. Maybe she... Are we assuming I Spice has 24 hours security?

Speaker 1:
[71:31] I wouldn't think so. I wouldn't think so. I wouldn't think she would have 24. I think she can be a regular girlie. Even a big mama, she was on...

Speaker 4:
[71:41] Was that Lotto?

Speaker 1:
[71:42] Yeah, we were on a plane together. And she was standing in the line to get on, just like... But she had on the big glasses and the hoodie. And I said, that's that love.

Speaker 4:
[71:51] Celebrities, they'd be having the celebrity outfit.

Speaker 1:
[71:54] It's just... Meanwhile, I'm just out there in the world raw dogging it, looking tired, just... And people still like, Angel!

Speaker 4:
[72:03] That thing, this is on our thing, but we probably won't get to it. They said, celebrities, what do you miss doing freely before fame? And for me, it's getting off of a red eye and not having to take a picture, because I know my breath smells like last night.

Speaker 1:
[72:16] And they don't care.

Speaker 4:
[72:17] I'd be so embarrassed.

Speaker 1:
[72:18] They don't care.

Speaker 4:
[72:20] I just got off the plane. I know this breath is four hours old.

Speaker 1:
[72:23] And I end up having to talk like I have a stroke, because I'm not opening my mouth.

Speaker 4:
[72:27] That's exactly what I've been doing.

Speaker 6:
[72:29] Hey, yeah, no.

Speaker 4:
[72:31] No, we'll take a picture. Because I know my, I haven't, and my gum is in my backpack. And I just got off the plane. I ain't even got a chance to go piss yet.

Speaker 1:
[72:40] Still crust in your eyes.

Speaker 4:
[72:42] Still crust in my eye, four hour old breath.

Speaker 2:
[72:44] They don't care.

Speaker 4:
[72:46] I don't want to hear nothing.

Speaker 1:
[72:47] This one would lie to me. She said, me and my husband are huge fans. Can we do a video for him? And I was like, okay. She was like, what's up, you guys? I'm here with that chick Angel. You guys, I'm going to be like, is your husband non-binary? Who is you guys? Why is there plural people in this? What is you talking about? But my breath was so bad, I couldn't. What I miss being able to do is freely cuss people out. I did get a chance to do that this weekend. You cuss somebody out? Oh, that's good. What happened? It was a motorcyclist, a rude, and he goes around me, and now we're all going around a car accident. Yeah. It was a motorcycle accident, somebody got hit, and so we're already going 15 miles an hour. He wanted to go slower, and I start passing him, and he's like, now the police are right there with the people. He's pointing like the police can't tell me to slow down. I'm going slow enough, and he's giving me the middle finger, and I said, well, what the fuck you going to do about it?

Speaker 2:
[73:52] Oh, dang, you jumped out there.

Speaker 1:
[73:54] What the fuck you going to do, because this is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2:
[73:56] Was your hair going?

Speaker 1:
[73:56] Oh, yes, it was. I was on the phone with my best friend, speaking of gay people, the gay best friend. I'm like, she's like, what's going on? I was like, no, he think, now he riding beside me. I said, what the fuck you going to do? I'm in a big ass truck.

Speaker 6:
[74:10] What are you going to do?

Speaker 5:
[74:11] If I kill you dead, I'm wrong.

Speaker 6:
[74:13] Right.

Speaker 1:
[74:13] So then he gets behind me to take a picture. I got a license plate and I said, you think we're going to play this game? So then he's trying to get away from me. Baby, I know how to dip in this truck.

Speaker 6:
[74:26] Bow, bow, bow.

Speaker 1:
[74:27] Got behind him. Click, click, click. Got you, bitch. That's me. Got you, bitch.

Speaker 4:
[74:35] Oh, you ain't seen The Wire. There's a scene in The Wire where they're trying to tell Marlo, I mean, Avon Barksdale. They're trying to like, he's going down this thing and then he comes by in front of them and he's like, that was you.

Speaker 1:
[74:47] Oh yeah, oh yeah. You hit that room, room, room, room, that out in the neighborhood that I knew.

Speaker 2:
[74:51] Yeah, whoop that ho.

Speaker 1:
[74:53] Now, you gotta hope that I'm not about to block you in here.

Speaker 4:
[74:56] 1,000%, whoop that trick.

Speaker 1:
[75:00] Yeah, it was definitely.

Speaker 4:
[75:01] Do you feel better?

Speaker 1:
[75:02] I did and then I said, do I have on any letters?

Speaker 4:
[75:08] Would you get in trouble with the dusters if you cut somebody out in the jacket?

Speaker 2:
[75:11] Yeah, what can you do in the jacket? Behave.

Speaker 1:
[75:15] Behave.

Speaker 4:
[75:17] You already was bad.

Speaker 1:
[75:18] It's just like if I was with you, it's the same thing. I don't wear KevOnStage stuff, but if I'm with you, I'm not about to cut up. I'm just not going to do it. I'm not about to mess with the overarching brand.

Speaker 4:
[75:33] Of what's left of it.

Speaker 1:
[75:36] It's very colorful now.

Speaker 3:
[75:37] The funny thing about it.

Speaker 1:
[75:38] Very colorful. Very colorful, Brayden.

Speaker 4:
[75:41] Oh, the funny thing about that is when we was in Dallas, I didn't listen to my own brand. I almost fought that dude.

Speaker 1:
[75:49] I know. I was like, you can't.

Speaker 4:
[75:52] I got in that car and Greg and we were both, Josh too, we were like, you can't do that kind of stuff, Kevin. I was like, yeah, I know. Because if I got shot and I got killed.

Speaker 1:
[76:03] Oh, you talking about me.

Speaker 2:
[76:06] Would you have been mad if I got shot and killed?

Speaker 5:
[76:07] Angel would have went that escalade straight to Dallas, ran your ass over right in the...

Speaker 1:
[76:13] I've been like, this non-fully formed, frontal lobe ass nigger, then ruined it for all of us. Then ruined it. Josh got a way to pay for it. Then who he taking pictures of? This in a casket.

Speaker 4:
[76:29] Could you even grieve me if you felt I died like that?

Speaker 1:
[76:32] No.

Speaker 6:
[76:34] You couldn't grieve?

Speaker 1:
[76:35] No. No.

Speaker 4:
[76:36] Just as I got shot in a road rage incident?

Speaker 1:
[76:40] Pissed. I was like, what the hell are you doing driving?

Speaker 4:
[76:46] I wasn't even driving.

Speaker 1:
[76:47] Go home.

Speaker 4:
[76:48] Go home, Roger.

Speaker 1:
[76:49] Oh yeah. I don't know. It would take a while. It would take a while. They'll be like, oh man, this day.

Speaker 4:
[76:56] By the way, I listened to Frank Ocean's song the other day and did not cry.

Speaker 1:
[76:59] You should have cried out all of your tears.

Speaker 5:
[77:01] You listened to it nine times in four plans.

Speaker 1:
[77:04] You numbed it.

Speaker 4:
[77:05] Did he do Coachella or did he do it last year?

Speaker 5:
[77:07] He did one weekend of Coachella, then he canceled a second weekend. I think that was two or three years ago.

Speaker 4:
[77:13] Okay. He must have done that song then because people keep sending me his set where he sang that song on TikTok to give me to cry. Because Justin Timberlake, I mean, I keep saying that. Justin Bieber performed on Coachella and people were like, man, this has been as good as a performance as Frank Ocean and they're like, Kev, cry.

Speaker 5:
[77:35] Side note. Go ahead.

Speaker 2:
[77:37] No, no. I'm done.

Speaker 5:
[77:38] No. Justin Bieber is a Coachella champion for getting the highest check of all time out of Coachella.

Speaker 2:
[77:46] 10 million, wasn't it?

Speaker 5:
[77:47] 10 million and half of his set being sing along with YouTube, with his old videos directly from YouTube. I was like, oh, that's kind of cool. They're kind of throwing an ode to the visuals of him and his older music on YouTube and you see him typing, and you see the search bar going up.

Speaker 3:
[78:07] I know you love me.

Speaker 5:
[78:08] I was like, I know you can.

Speaker 1:
[78:09] He said, I have time to put this together.

Speaker 5:
[78:11] I was like, wow.

Speaker 4:
[78:12] Somehow it was a full circle performance.

Speaker 5:
[78:14] It was great.

Speaker 1:
[78:16] He said, I know I can get away. This is the audacity of a white dude.

Speaker 4:
[78:19] Can you imagine me just playing old videos of myself and being like, it's tough black church girl saying, y'all. 10 million.

Speaker 1:
[78:27] I would love to be able to do something like that. But no, I feel good that I cussed a man out, but then I also was like, Angel.

Speaker 4:
[78:34] Now, if you get killed, then what?

Speaker 1:
[78:36] I'm not getting killed. I'm not.

Speaker 4:
[78:39] How do you know you ain't gonna get killed?

Speaker 1:
[78:40] I wasn't gonna get killed by that man.

Speaker 4:
[78:42] People get shot.

Speaker 1:
[78:42] But what I knew, very much so, but I was willing to kill him before I got, that's the thing.

Speaker 4:
[78:49] So now you in jail, either way, I can't got no podcast.

Speaker 5:
[78:51] I can't do the podcast from prison? They stream court. We can get her streamed.

Speaker 4:
[78:57] How you gonna get a laptop in there?

Speaker 1:
[78:58] I know this would be way up, nigga. First of all, we would be killing for real.

Speaker 5:
[79:04] How you pay her just to put money on her commissary?

Speaker 1:
[79:06] Oh, no, just put it in my business account. We got bills to pay. But yeah, no, I was willing to run that man over. I thought of it. I said he could have a weapon on him. So are you willing? And I said, yes.

Speaker 4:
[79:22] So in that moment, you were willing to kill somebody.

Speaker 1:
[79:24] I was like, hopefully don't come to that.

Speaker 4:
[79:26] If he pulls a gun out.

Speaker 1:
[79:27] Yeah, no, if he pulls a gun, I'm not gonna be like, I'm sorry, sir. Hello, officer.

Speaker 2:
[79:41] I love that you played it all the way through.

Speaker 1:
[79:42] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[79:43] Hello, officer. Here's the sale.

Speaker 1:
[79:49] I was trying to get the license plate of the man who was taunting me because he seemed unsafe. And he pulled a gun on me. And now he's attached to the bottom part of my truck. I've been dragging him down to Panka Canyon. Can you all help me?

Speaker 6:
[80:08] Oh, my God.

Speaker 1:
[80:10] But no, I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have. Had he not flicked me off, I should have. I should have just kept it going.

Speaker 4:
[80:16] Flick you off is...

Speaker 3:
[80:20] It will...

Speaker 4:
[80:24] Oh, what's the term? It will trigger you.

Speaker 1:
[80:31] Yeah, and it shouldn't have. Usually it doesn't, but usually my kids are in the car. I was in the car by myself, so I was like, let it all out, Angel.

Speaker 4:
[80:37] Might as well. How do you feel now that little Marcus is driving?

Speaker 6:
[80:41] Oh, uh, uh, Morgz...

Speaker 2:
[80:45] Oh my god, our Millen...

Speaker 5:
[80:47] Yes, that's why I asked if we're doing it after.

Speaker 1:
[80:49] I told... Listen, I said to Marquita...

Speaker 5:
[80:52] Are we doing it after? And you said, I think your brain was in too many different places.

Speaker 1:
[80:55] I said it to Marquita.

Speaker 5:
[80:56] Because when she walked in, I was like, oh, you're kind of early, but maybe we are doing something else first.

Speaker 1:
[81:01] I said it to her yesterday, and I said, I'm going to mind my non. I should have said something, friend, but I don't want, that's not my business.

Speaker 4:
[81:11] Who's that?

Speaker 5:
[81:11] Oh, hey, Mel!

Speaker 1:
[81:13] So y'all should do a Brawl Brother, Jen and Juice.

Speaker 5:
[81:16] All right, guys, we gotta get the hell off the podcast.

Speaker 4:
[81:18] Bye, guys.