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Speaker 4:
[02:04] Hey, welcome to Strictly Anonymous podcast with Kathy. If you wanna follow the show on either Instagram or Axe, follow the show at Strict Anonymous if you wanna be on the show. It's called Strictly Anonymous because I change everybody's voices and everyone's name. So if you have an interesting, naughty, secret life or even just regular, not so naughty life that you wanna talk about while remaining anonymous or not anonymous, if you're out and proud, that's cool too, you can be on the show. I also look for like health related stories now. I have a Sexual Health Saturdays. So if you have any kind of interesting health story, I love stuff like that, health and fitness story, you could send me an email at strictlyanonymouspodcast.gmail.com or just go to my website strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on be on the show. If you have a naughty confession that you wanna leave on my Confessions Hotline, you could do that 24 seven, the number is 347-420-3579, that's 347-420-3579. Some of those confessions make it onto a Confessions episode and I talk about them, the rest of them all go up on my Patreon. Patreon is a great place. Listen, if you're annoyed with these beginning intros and you don't wanna hear effing ads and you wanna see a hot pic of all the females who have called into my show, plus take part in all of the polls and questions and contests we have over on my Patreon, join my Patreon for just $7 a month. That's like super cheap. I also throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord. My Discord is great. We're having the annual Dick Pick Contest coming up. So you wanna join, so you could take part in the infamous Dick Pick Contest. Last year we did the Dick Pick Contest. We got like 250 Dick Picks, okay? Winner is gonna get 300 bucks, okay? So if you wanna join that, you gotta get into my Discord. I do throw in complimentary access to my private Discord if you join my Patreon. Like I said, it's just $7 a month and you could cancel it anytime or you could buy my book. I have a book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confessions, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. It's like 17 stories from my show told in the third person. They're quick, short stories. Think like Penthouse Forum letters or naughty true stories, all in one book. It's available in e-back format, paperback format. And finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, send me a screenshot of your order and I'll also give you complimentary access to my private Discord. My Discord is effing great. It's where you could go in and post your own stuff. My Discord is super fun. People get very naughty on there. We have lots of contests, tons of different channels with all kinds of content, but it is private. And I only give links to either my guests. If you call into the show, you get a link to my Discord or get my book or join my Patreon. You get it from all that. Last thing I want to tell you about is if you are looking to get into the lifestyle, the site I recommend to everybody is sdc.com. sdc.com is like the world's largest online adult dating site, but it's so much more than a dating site. It's more than a pick up place, okay? You go on there, you're gonna learn everything about the lifestyle. They have live events. They have educational stuff that you can learn on there. They also will tell you where all the gang bangs and swinger clubs and orgies and parties that are going on in your area and your neighborhood, or if you're traveling, you can find out what's going on there too. That's what's great about SDC. It's like a one stop shop for the lifestyle. And if you use my code 3771212, you're gonna get a free trial. So you could check it out. So go to sdc.com, use code 3771212, or just go to the description and click on the link. All the links, everything I told you about including my Patreon, is in the description. Okay, today I have on Kyle, Kyle. I was on Kyle's podcast. He has a podcast called Speak Seductively. He was a great host, I have to say, of all the people I've been on their shows. I've been on a lot of podcasts, hocking my book. He was actually a great host. I had a great conversation with him. And it turns out he has a whole lifestyle story himself. And so I was like, you got to come on my show too. So he's on my show. He has a great story. He's very specific and interesting because he does a lot, like professionally in the lifestyle world, in that he's a photographer and he's like a professional photographer, like of naughty things. He talks a lot about that. Typically he was taking a lot of nude pictures and as well as he started taking pictures of his wife with other guys and he is commissioned for stuff and he talks all about that journey. Really taking nude pics got them into talking about opening up their relationship. He also writes erotica. So a lot of the stories you're going to hear on this podcast episode, he has full-blown erotica books that go with the stories where you're going to get a lot more, but you're going to hear all the stories here and they're good stories. He's Kyle Cannon on Amazon. I'll put links to all of the stuff in the description, but really what he comes on here to talk about is how they went from doing nude modeling and nudist resorts and stuff like that to opening up their relationship to soft-swapping, to really quickly hard-swapping and screwing around with their couple friends. Talks about that whole journey and all those first experiences. Eventually they did wind up trying out swinger clubs and they do have a bunch of non-monogamous friends. They all hook up with each other. He does talk about all of his books as well as the photography that he does as well as his podcast. You're going to get all the information plus this whole story. It's super interesting. Kyle's over on my Discord so you can see some of his pics and pics of his wife. He's going to send me hot pics of his wife over there as well as post them over there. So if you want to see hers, join my Patreon. But if you want to hear his podcast, definitely go listen to it. It's called Speak Seductively. But anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Kyle. Hey Kyle, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous Podcast. How are you today?

Speaker 5:
[07:57] Hey, thanks for having me. I'm doing great actually.

Speaker 4:
[08:01] Listen, I was already on your show. You have a podcast called Speak Seductively. And you know, you were a great host. I got to say, okay, between me and you and my audience, I've been on some people's podcasts. You know.

Speaker 5:
[08:13] I have to thank you for coming on. It was a blast talking to you. I could have gone on for a lot longer.

Speaker 4:
[08:18] I know, I know. You were a good host, I got to say, out of all the people I've done stuff with. So I got to give you credit for that. So I'm assuming your podcast is good. You have a podcast, it's called Speak Seductively. It's both you and your wife. I'm going to get your story of your lifestyle, you and your wife getting into the lifestyle and all that kind of good stuff. But why don't you just explain real quick about your podcast and then I'll post a link to it in the description. What are they going to get over there? You talking to lifestyle couples as well as like audiobook, erotica and stuff like that, right?

Speaker 5:
[08:45] Yeah. So if you tune in to Speak Seductively, you're going to hear me talking to other erotica authors, people who are in the lifestyle. Usually, I like to have couples on who talk about how they got involved in the lifestyle. We'll have nudists on. We'll have single swingers on talking about being single in the lifestyle.

Speaker 4:
[09:08] So like a whole variety of stuff. It's kind of like the same thing I do on my show. So people could listen to that. And that's going to come up. Like, listen, we'll get like when we talk about your journey, like you guys starting a podcast and stuff will probably like come into play in your story, right? Because that comes out down the line. I'm assuming you got into the lifestyle before you started your podcast. You guys have your own story. So why? And that's what I want. You and Lily, how long you guys been married, you and Lily?

Speaker 5:
[09:34] So we've been married about 16 years now.

Speaker 4:
[09:37] So, okay, so been together forever. When did you, when and why, or what was going on like right before you guys decided to open things up?

Speaker 5:
[09:45] Okay, so we had both, we've known each other for years. We'd both been in shitty relationships before then. We won't get into all of that, but we got together and we basically decided we weren't going to bullshit each other and play passive aggressive stuff. So we started talking about likes, dislikes and all of that. But I think we got into this subject because Lily said when she was in college, she had done some nude modeling and that freaks out a lot of guys, you know, when she was dating them. And her ex kind of treated her like shit when he found out. So she told me almost from the get-go. Well, I've always been into amateur photography and wanted to do more with that. So it didn't freak me out at all. It got us starting to talk about ethical non-monogamy. And, you know, is that where we want to be as a couple? So she started posing for me. I did a lot of nudes with her. We won some contests on places like Model Mayhem and other things like that. And basically, it just kind of grew from there. So I started getting requests for Lily to do certain photo sets. We ended up meeting online a couple who own a swingers club. And they started asking us for specific sets, things that they wanted to have pictures up and all of that. There's actually a bar somewhere in Western Arizona, a cowboy bar that has a huge picture of Lily smoking a cigar in the nude over there.

Speaker 4:
[11:34] Nice.

Speaker 5:
[11:36] But all of that stuff going on got us talking about where we wanted to be as a couple. So we also were traveling a lot.

Speaker 4:
[11:44] Are you guys young, though, by the way, that ethical non-monogamy comes up in the conversation so easily? Because you got to be in your 30s. Are you guys in your 30s?

Speaker 5:
[11:55] No.

Speaker 4:
[11:55] How old are you guys?

Speaker 5:
[11:58] She is 41, and I am in my late 50s.

Speaker 4:
[12:03] Yeah, but we're talking about you met so many years ago, 15 years ago. When you met, you were young. But still, it was back in the day. So you were very ahead of the time to be talking about that straight up while you're dating with each other, two very open minded people, I'm assuming.

Speaker 5:
[12:17] Oh, yeah, definitely. And the funny thing is we both came from very conservative backgrounds.

Speaker 4:
[12:23] Interesting. That's always the case.

Speaker 5:
[12:25] Oh my God. And that's one of the reasons why we keep it so private. We don't tell anybody because our families would literally shit a brick.

Speaker 4:
[12:34] Okay, but can I just say something? I'm sorry to interrupt you. I'm an interrupter and people could fucking complain about it. I don't care. I need to make this comment and I make it a lot because people bring that up. The first thing some people will say is what you just said or some people say it on the opposite. Would these people tell their parents what they do, blah, blah, blah? It's like, I'm sorry. Your parents don't need to know if you're having vanilla sex let alone swinger sex. Nobody tells their parents about what they're doing in the bedroom, period. So your parents don't need to know. Just like if you have a sister or brother and they're fucking missionary style, they're not going to tell your parents either. So why would you tell your parents? It doesn't even make sense. No family wants to know what their other family members are doing behind closed doors. Okay, whether you're doing fun shit or not fun shit. No one wants to know.

Speaker 5:
[13:21] Well, and if they do, it's kind of creepy and weird anyway.

Speaker 4:
[13:24] But why would you tell your parents that you have an open relationship? It's none of their business.

Speaker 5:
[13:30] Absolutely. But we were doing a lot of nudes, and we got to a point where I was hiding her face using shadow and stuff like that, and sometimes masks. But we had concerns about her being recognized.

Speaker 4:
[13:48] Right, even with just the nude modeling, which has nothing to do with sex, but they were so conservative, they'd be horrified by that.

Speaker 5:
[13:54] And then we were going to nude resorts and nude beaches and things like that. So if we actually did run into people we knew in the same boat as us, and everybody had like 30 second freak out, and then all was good because what are you going to say? Hey, I ran into you at a nudist resort. How dare you go to a nudist resort?

Speaker 4:
[14:17] I'm sorry, but most nudist resorts have nothing to do, a lot of them have nothing to do with sex, right?

Speaker 5:
[14:21] Absolutely not, and that was one of it. So we started off with that, with nude beaches and nudist resorts that were following the AANR guidelines. Basically, no public displays of stuff, things could go on in private, but everybody was keeping it, they like to say family friendly. So we were really comfortable with that and just enjoyed that part of the lifestyle. The nudist lifestyle. And from there, we met some people, we got some friends, we had a good friend, a couple who were thinking about getting into swinging, but were too nervous to talk about it. We knew them for, we get together with them quite a bit and we finally started talking about what it would be like and have you considered it, those kinds of things. And it led us to have our first swinger encounters. We started off doing some soft swapping, basically doing it in the same room and then-

Speaker 4:
[15:29] Yeah, but walk me through that, like walk through this, like now you could slow down your story. Okay, so you decide, okay, you decide, okay, cause listen, the nudist stuff and everything is very different. Plenty of people are nudists, right, and walk around again, but they never get into swinging. So now you're stepping into a whole other world. When you're going into that world, do you guys have a conversation about any kind of boundaries or rules or anything like that?

Speaker 5:
[15:53] We did. So I don't know if we're weird for doing this or not. We know several other couples who've done the same thing. We talked about it for probably a year and a half before we ever did it. We knew that some of our rules were we don't take one for the team. So if we're going out and we meet a couple and she doesn't like the husband, I'm not going to play with the wife just so I could and vice versa. If I didn't like the wife and she wanted to be with the husband, she wouldn't do that because, like I said, one of our rules is we don't take one for the team and we're not that, we're not desperate to have sex with others. But we were definitely interested in it.

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Speaker 5:
[19:52] We ever did it. We knew that some of our rules were we don't take one for the team, so if we're going out and we meet a couple and she doesn't like the husband, I'm not going to play with the wife just so I could and vice versa. If I didn't like the wife and she wanted to be with the husband, she wouldn't do that because like I said, one of our rules is we don't take one for the team and we're not desperate to have sex with others. But we were definitely interested in it. So we had done a lot of research into rules and guidelines, what no means no, what are the boundaries. At first, when we first started, we decided we did not want to see the other person kissing someone else. It's okay to see them fucking somebody else.

Speaker 4:
[20:46] That's always a thing. That's always everyone's first thing on their list and the first thing to go out the window, by the way.

Speaker 5:
[20:52] Well, yeah, and it absolutely was. I remember when we decided, the first time we decided that we would actually do a full swap with them, they had had the same rule about kissing.

Speaker 4:
[21:05] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[21:06] And we were laying there and then all of a sudden, we all looked at each other and were like, okay, this is just stupid. Kissing is a part of this and it doesn't mean anything other than, it just helps with the arousal part. So that got dropped like a hot potato.

Speaker 4:
[21:25] You know, kissing only means something when you actually like the person. And that's why you think it means something. Cause when you kiss your partner that you're in love with, it does mean something, but you don't realize that it means fucking nothing if you're making out with someone you don't love, but it's kind of hot, right?

Speaker 5:
[21:39] Right, right. It gets that arousal going. So, and one of our other rules is we never play without the other one. So, and we talked about that a lot. We know couples who that's the only thing they do. They don't want their partner to see, to be there with them while they're doing it. But for us, we decided there's, we don't want any kind of mystery. We're doing this, we're doing this because we enjoy it. We enjoy the exhibitionism of it. We enjoy the voyeurism of it. And my big, I'll say my big thing was, I like seeing her enjoy herself. She'd say the same thing for, she loves watching when I'm going to have an orgasm just before, when I'm with another woman. And I'm the same way. I love seeing her have an orgasm with another guy. So anyway, we did that. We were very kind of slow, I guess. So we stayed with the same couple.

Speaker 4:
[22:39] Walk me through your first experience. You said you did soft swapping for a while. I mean, did you, and was that intentional? You just didn't want to go all the way in the beginning?

Speaker 5:
[22:49] Yeah, I think none of us were, we all wanted more, but none of us were comfortable with it. So our very first time we were nighttime in their pool, we were all skin, we were skinny dipping. And that's something that we had done quite a bit because it was very private. And, you know, if we didn't want to go to one of the nude beaches, that that was quick and easy. So like I said, we've been doing that with them for quite a while.

Speaker 4:
[23:15] And what was soft swapping? Walk me through the first experience with them. You're in the pool, you're all fucking naked. What starts to go down and how far do you go?

Speaker 5:
[23:23] Well, so we played with our wives' tits in the pool and talked and joked around about that. And they played with our dicks under the water. And, you know, and then it was kind of one of those things. So our friend's wife had him sit on the edge of the pool. And she looked over at us and she said, you know, we've been talking about this for so long. I'm just not going to play around. He's hard as a rock and needs to get off. So she started blowing him on the edge of the pool. I looked at Lily and she said, go ahead, get up there. So I sat like a foot or two away from him on the edge of the pool. And Lily went down on me and we all watched each other and had a really, really good time. It was absolutely incredible. And then we talked about it afterwards. Was that weird? Were you okay with that? And it was one of those things where we all said we were very comfortable with it. We enjoyed it. We'd like to do more. But when Lily and I left for the evening, we talked to each other about, do you think it really meant that? You know, we loved it, did they? So the next day, we set up a pool party at our place for the following weekend. And they came over and we talked again about it. We talked about doing more. And we decided we'd do more but go slowly. So that weekend, we were both in our guest room, king size bed, fortunately. And I started with Lily and he started with his wife. And then we decided we'd switch. And it was just, it was a no brainer.

Speaker 4:
[25:09] Oh, I thought you said you guys were going to go slower. You went faster.

Speaker 5:
[25:14] We did. I mean, we thought we were going, by going slower, I meant we stayed with that. They're still really good friends of ours, but we didn't do anything with anybody else for probably close to a year after that.

Speaker 4:
[25:28] So the second time, though, you're doing full swap.

Speaker 5:
[25:31] Oh, yeah. Second time we went full swap. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[25:33] And how was that?

Speaker 5:
[25:35] Crazy. Why? I mean, it was, yeah, in a great way. I mean, we had a lot of fun. It was also a little more nerve wracking afterwards. You know, we talked as a group and decided, you know, it was great. It was just like the previous weekend conversation. It was really good. We enjoyed it. Nobody feels bad. When they left, Lillian and I had basically the same conversation we had before that, oh my God, I can't believe, you know, we did that. How do you feel about it? And we spent a lot of time talking over the next few days over how it really felt to watch the other person have sex with someone else.

Speaker 4:
[26:17] And what were they, like, how did you both feel about it? Obviously good, because you said you both had compersion, right?

Speaker 5:
[26:24] Yeah, I mean, we decided we liked it. We really enjoyed it. Plus, we decided, I mean, we knew we liked that couple, still like them. So it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like a one time, you know, one night thing for us. And there was a lot of comfort built into it from that perspective. So we'd get together almost every weekend. And if we didn't full swap, it would be, you know, something. So I mean, we bounced things around. We kept up a variety of things.

Speaker 4:
[26:57] With just them, the same couple that you're just playing with them?

Speaker 5:
[27:00] Yeah, with just them. Then a little less than a year later, we all knew another couple who is in our nudist group that we thought would be interested in, in, in swapping. So Lily and our friend's wife decided to take her, the other woman out to dinner and talk, talk about it. It turns out they were definitely into it. We set up another get together at our friend's house and they came, you know, we were all used to being naked around each other anyway, because they were part of our nudist group. And then we just, I mean, we just started playing around. I think if I remember right, this is years ago, we played with our own spouse in the pool, but we're really obvious about it, got out a couple of times and played around. The other couple started playing too. If I remember, the wife was very daring, went over to our friend while he was, he was getting blown by his wife and she joined in. So it turned into trying a lot of different things and that couple ended up coming back. I mean, we became a small group. We did get to a point where we would get together and most of the time, it was just straight out swapping. So Lily would go with one of the other husbands, one of the wives would go with me and the other wife would go with the other husband, we kind of bounced around like that. Lily and one of the other wives liked three ways. So they...

Speaker 4:
[28:52] Three ways with who? Two girls and a guy? What kind of three way?

Speaker 5:
[28:56] Two guys and a girl.

Speaker 4:
[28:58] Okay.

Speaker 5:
[28:58] For Lily, the other wife was bi. I mean, she would go both ways.

Speaker 4:
[29:04] Your girl doesn't. Lily doesn't.

Speaker 5:
[29:06] Yeah. Lily has been with women, but she prefers men.

Speaker 4:
[29:11] Okay.

Speaker 5:
[29:13] So, yeah. So, I mean, we'd have nights where things like that would go on, where we'd watch Lily basically getting spit-roasted, and one of the other wives and I would play around. And we'd just... I mean, it's kind of hard to explain because it went very organically. But I would say in that group, with the three couples, us included, that was about as much as we did as a group.

Speaker 4:
[29:44] Well, what more can you do? You did it all, it sounds like. I mean, you know, right? I mean, you all have fucked each other. Everyone's sort of been with each other's wives. No, like, there's nothing. It doesn't sound like anything was off the table, except maybe your girl didn't go down on one of the other girls. And the reclaiming sex for you, was that a part of it for the both of you?

Speaker 5:
[30:03] Yeah, I should have mentioned that. That was absolutely one of our top rules, is that we always end an evening with the other one. Yeah. And we always end it, you know, having sex. And that's, I have to say, that's probably one of the best parts about it, because for some reason we, no matter who we're having sex with before that, when we get back together and have sex with each other, it's usually the hottest thing you should ever experience.

Speaker 4:
[30:35] Yeah, that's what I hear. That's why they call it. I mean, people have a problem sometimes with the word reclaiming. It doesn't really matter. The fact is that typically, the sex after experiences like that is really killer for the couple.

Speaker 5:
[30:48] Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it was amazing. I mean, the first time when we did when we were when the wives were blow job blowing the husbands at the very beginning, the very first thing we did when Lily and I got back to our place, I mean, we just sucked like crazy and it was, you know, it was all because of of the soft swap. And then when we do full swap, it was, you know, even more awesome parts. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, yeah, definitely earthquake territory. But so we did that for that was us for about a year and a half year, little over a year. And we had some friends who own people we met who owned a swingers club. And I was still doing a lot of photography with Lily. The other two couples both bought wall prints of Lily to have in there. I mean, very artistic black and white and sepia nudes where you couldn't see her face. But they were kind of in the in thing back then anyway. So we were doing a lot of that. Our, the Swinger owners that we had met wanted more from her, wanted more from us, and then asked if she would do a couple shoot for them. So we talked about that. We knew by then a bunch of models, had one male model who was really, who was a good friend of ours, really decent guy. And I called him up and said, look, we've got this commission to do a nude couple shoot. Are you interested? And he was like, yeah, sure. I'd be really interested in that. And I said, okay, well, your partner would be Lily. And he knew Lily well because she would help out a lot at some of the photo shoots. And he's like, your wife, Lily.

Speaker 4:
[32:50] I'm going to be fucking your wife while you're taking pictures.

Speaker 5:
[32:53] Yeah. And I said, I said, yeah, you, I mean, you've seen her nude pictures in the portfolio we have. And, you know, you know, she does that. And I'm sure you probably have heard us talking a little bit about There's no way he didn't get a little woody when you said that to him. No, no, absolutely.

Speaker 4:
[33:13] But right. It was you think he did. Right.

Speaker 5:
[33:17] Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[33:18] I mean, he must have been like, oh my God.

Speaker 5:
[33:21] Yeah. He so we ended up doing several shoots with him. And the first shoot we we ended up calling an awkward shoot. We decided to try to do a like a reenactment of an old 80s penthouse shoot. So they both started off clothed. It was like the date thing. And they undress each other and then do that. The cat, you know, he plays with her tits and she plays with those cock and and and you know, that that was basically the shoot. I mean, it was it was really cute. It was fun. But I could tell he was nervous as hell.

Speaker 4:
[33:55] Were you turned on by this or were you in too much in work mode to really get into it?

Speaker 5:
[34:02] Yeah. So I get asked that a lot. I was really in work mode.

Speaker 4:
[34:07] That's what I would think.

Speaker 5:
[34:08] Yeah, because I had to direct them.

Speaker 4:
[34:11] You're a real photographer. It's hard for you to probably take your mind off of all the technical things and just get into it.

Speaker 5:
[34:20] Absolutely. There was so much that we've laughed about it. We laugh about it quite a bit that I'll have a nude model come in, and I'm paying more attention to the lighting, and the shadow, and what are the settings on the camera.

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Speaker 5:
[38:36] There was, absolutely, there was so much that I, you know, and we've laughed about it, we laugh about it quite a bit, that, you know, I'll have a nude model come in and I'm paying more attention to the lighting and the shadow and what are the settings on the camera.

Speaker 4:
[38:50] People are paying for these things. I mean, you're being commissioned. So if you're just like getting horny and not paying attention, that would make you very unprofessional. So, you know, you're doing the right thing.

Speaker 5:
[39:00] Yeah, yeah. And I couldn't do it. Now afterwards, looking at the pictures after, I'd get crazy aroused and, you know, Lily loved it. But so that, that shoot ended, we, he and Lily were kind of laying in bed nude together because that's where we ended the shoot. And we started talking about doing another. And I said, you know, they really want more implied. So oral and, and having sex, they want more of that kind of thing. Would you be willing to do a shoot like that? So he, he, he said he would. He was really nervous. And then I, I don't, I just out of the blue came up with the idea that, you know, one of one of our rules is that we never play around alone. But for this, why don't I just leave you guys here as you are right now and you play? And Lily and I had talked about that prior to the shoot that, you know, we might do that just to build up comfort between the two of them. So they did. They ended up, she ended up blowing him. And I didn't take any pictures of that because I had left the room until they were done. And then we talked again after that. And he was, he was like, okay, that was awesome. And I definitely want to come back and do the shoot with you guys. So we set up a date. And then the very next day he calls me and said, look, I got it. I really want to do the shoot, but I'm totally freaked out about the fact that you're going to be photographing me fucking your wife.

Speaker 4:
[40:37] Well, listen, at least he was like honest with himself and you.

Speaker 6:
[40:40] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[40:42] And that's one of the reasons why we chose him to be the male model because he wasn't a cocky, arrogant douche.

Speaker 4:
[40:48] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[40:49] We wanted real expression. So we talked for a little bit. He goes, well, I also have to tell you, there's never any bad head, but your wife was awesome and I could get addicted to that fast. So we talked about that and I told him, there's no problem with that. It will actually look great for the photo shoot. So why don't we just say, we'll have a safe word. I think for that, it was Pepper. If I'm directing you to do anything that you're not comfortable with, either one of them could say that and we'd back off and decide where we needed to go from there. So our big rule with the next shoot was that, I mean, and we always practice safe sex regardless when we were swinging or anything like that. So the next shoot I set up and I told them both, we're just going to start off with you guys naked. We're not going to screw around with the clothes, with the outfits and all of that kind of stuff. So I set them up on a couch and I had him laying back and her laying between his legs. And I'm trying to describe the picture right now. She was basically laying back on his chest. So he was playing with her tits to start. And I would tell her, okay, spread your legs a little bit. Okay, Brandon, go ahead and put your hand on her again. We started joking that how bizarre it is to have me say that to them. But the laughing kind of broke through any nerves that were going on. And I will say during the shoot, so they did that. They did a couple of set poses for me like that. Then I asked her to kiss down his chest and start giving him head. And she did that. And I remember he went, oh my God, because she does this thing swirling her tongue, which is definitely an oh my God moment. So I asked him, I said, was she playing? Was she using her tongue then? And he said, yeah. And so they started joking about who could get the other hotter first and then who could get the other one to get off first. So that was in part of the photo shoot as we did that. We ended up doing the shoot for about three hours, mainly because we were all having a lot of fun. I was getting some amazing pictures. He came at least twice during those times. The first time was when he was fucking her. He had a condom on and all of that and he came and it was pretty obvious. He looks at us and he's like, oh my God, did I ruin the shoot? I'm so fucking sorry. Like no, that was great. You got the look on your face was amazing when you were fucking her.

Speaker 4:
[43:53] Who's commissioning these pictures by the way?

Speaker 5:
[43:56] So this was the owners of a swinger club in California.

Speaker 4:
[44:03] Do they sort of like explain the art to people because they might just think this is a woman and her guy in these pictures. Do they know that this is a girl with a bull and her husband's taking the shots? Because that really adds to the hotness of these photos. I wonder if they put a little plaque next to the picture and explain what the fuck is going on in these pictures.

Speaker 5:
[44:26] I'm going to put in a plug for a book. Actually, Lily and I wrote it. It's called The Photoshoot. It's basically exactly what happened during that photoshoot. Now, we had through some swinger sites and then them buying other art from us. We had started email exchanges with them, talking to them on the phone a couple of times. They loved the idea of us being relatively new swingers and photographing Lily with a new guy for the first time for her. Yeah. So, they did. They explained that at the club, and they actually asked Lily to do some audio explaining the shoot. They commissioned for us to do another two shoots, which was awesome. And we sent them a couple of videos of her reading. So she wrote them a letter, which we then made into the book, the photo shoot. And so they asked her to read that. And then they apparently had that audio playing somewhere in the club. We've actually never been there with a montage of the pictures going up on a...

Speaker 4:
[45:55] Yeah, that's really smart, because without all that, it's just a hot, sexy pic of a woman and a man. But all that backstory is really what you're fucking paying for, if you ask me. I think that all of that, you guys putting in the audio, them commissioning it, her reading it, you writing a book about it, that's the gold, because really, and that is what's happening. I mean, you didn't fake it, right? That's really what it's about, and that's really what's going to turn people on, so it's so much more than just a hot photo of naked people. Question, do you guys ever wind up at Swinger Clubs yourself eventually?

Speaker 5:
[46:26] Yeah, we did, and it was okay, but we pretty quickly decided it wasn't our thing, and actually, the first time we went to a Swinger Club was, the sex was fun and great, but we ended up breaking a couple of our rules, and we're pretty upset at ourselves for doing that.

Speaker 4:
[46:49] That's an interesting story. Explain what happened.

Speaker 5:
[46:52] I knew you were going to ask that.

Speaker 4:
[46:53] Well, I like Swinger Gone Wrong stories because this is real life, and I think it's important, and I love that to hear from couples that go to Swinger Club, like this isn't for us, because a lot of people say it's great, but there are going to be people that's not for them. So give me the details. I think it's super interesting.

Speaker 5:
[47:08] So we were in Las Vegas, and we went to, I think it's considered one of the oldest swingers club in Vegas.

Speaker 4:
[47:14] Oh no, if it's the green doors. I just had someone talk about how bad that place is.

Speaker 5:
[47:19] I think it was a red rooster.

Speaker 4:
[47:21] Oh, okay. Go on.

Speaker 5:
[47:22] Yeah. So anyway, it was nice. I mean, interesting setup. I was in a house, a huge mansion basically, and they had different rooms set up. One of the, when we showed up at the door and paid our cover charge to get in, the lady who took that said, are you guys new? And we said, we've been swinging, but we've never been to a club before. So she had one of the, I'm going to say bouncers, or guides or whatever, asked, his name is Walter, asked him to show us around the club. So he did. Now, we had looked up what to wear to a swingers club stuff. So I know it sounds ridiculous.

Speaker 4:
[48:08] No, it doesn't. I've done full fledged episodes where I have gotten all the information someone would need before they go to a swingers club. And that was one of my questions because I'd want to fucking know everything before I went. So I don't think it's stupid. I think it's smart.

Speaker 5:
[48:22] Well, we were so nervous anyway. So Lily was wearing a black corset, and she's very busty. So she looked amazing. She was wearing a black corset with dark, I'm going to say black shorts and heels. And I was dressed business casual, you know. So we both looked good going in, but her tits got a lot. Walking through the hotel lobby to get out and get our cab to go to the club. She got hit on about seven or eight times. And I had one guy ask me how much she was, that he'd want to call her for the next night.

Speaker 4:
[49:02] But she was walking out in that outfit without covered up like normal.

Speaker 5:
[49:08] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[49:08] Well, well, of course that happened. That I mean, come on, you're dressed up for a swinger club, walking through a public like regular hotel.

Speaker 5:
[49:16] Yeah. Well, in Vegas, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 4:
[49:19] Of course you're going to look like you look like a, you know, I mean, normally people would wear something over and then, you know, take, you know, get dressed up for the swinger club when they get out of their car in front of the swinger club.

Speaker 5:
[49:30] She was convinced. I mean, she was like, I look like I'm going clubbing.

Speaker 4:
[49:34] So I guess you're right. Everybody dresses kind of naked nowadays anyway.

Speaker 5:
[49:39] Yeah. But so anyway, we, he showed us around. I mean, they had a room with with sex toy kind of thing. They had several semi private rooms and he explained that you could go in there as a couple or with a couple of other people. If you shut the door, nobody comes and bothers you. But if you leave the door open, then it's like an invitation for others to come and watch or even ask if they can join in. Then there was an orgy room and trying to remember all the movie, a movie room, a small dance floor and bar. So we had decided going there, that the most we would do is Lily would give me head while we were there and we'd just call that a night and be safe with that and decide if we wanted to go back another time later.

Speaker 4:
[50:31] Why that rule? I mean, you guys are swapping around, you're doing all this stuff. Like why when you're at the Swinger Club, there's a rule that we're not gonna fuck other people, even together? Do you know?

Speaker 5:
[50:43] Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, for us it was a safety thing.

Speaker 4:
[50:47] Okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 5:
[50:48] We didn't know what the club was gonna be like, we knew what we had read about.

Speaker 4:
[50:52] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[50:52] We had only been with these other two couples during all our swinger time.

Speaker 4:
[50:58] Okay, that makes sense now.

Speaker 5:
[51:00] I mean, we just wanted to play it careful. It was more check out the scene and see what it's like.

Speaker 4:
[51:05] Okay, I get it.

Speaker 5:
[51:07] The bouncer explained to us the whole no means no. If you say no and somebody doesn't stop, then give a high sign and we'll come over there and that person will be escorted out. And they were really, I mean, we never had a problem like that while we were there. So we met a few other couples and started dancing. And the other couples, you know, everybody started getting naked and we were fine with that. There were a couple, one of the other rules at the club is you have to ask to touch before you do anything, you have to ask. So one of the husbands was dancing with Lily and asked if he could play with her tits. And she looked over at me. I mean, I heard it. I nodded and shrugged. And so he started playing with her tits. And then his wife asked about playing with me. And then I think there were about three or four couples that we were ending up dancing with. And so most of the guys ended up playing with their tits during that. And I played with a few of the wives and we were already doing more than we thought we were going to do. But I mean, we're just having fun.

Speaker 4:
[52:19] Playing with the tits was more?

Speaker 5:
[52:22] More than we thought we were going to do going in.

Speaker 4:
[52:24] Right. Because you were not going to let any... you guys weren't going to engage with other people in any way, shape or form. So that's what crossed the line?

Speaker 5:
[52:31] That's where it started. So how far did it go? Well, Lily, a couple of the guys were rubbing on her pretty hard. And Lily had come over and said, hey, let's go to the movie room. You know, I'll give you a head while we're in there. And then we'll call it a night. I could tell when she said that, that she was interested in sticking around and doing more. But we were both trying to stick as close as we could to the rules that we had set. So we went into the movie room. Two of the other couples followed us in there, and they played around with themselves and watched as Lily gave me head. And so I'm going to say, I was so turned on by all of this that I blew all over her face and her chest, and I mean, she was a mess. So one of one of the other guys who had been there offered to take her to back to the bathrooms where she could hit the shower real quick and clean up. And we were calling him Propeller because on the dance floor, he liked to swing his cock around like a propeller blade. So and so he ended up going back with taking her back to where the bathrooms were, which is down the hall where some of the semi-private rooms were. One of the wives came over and started making out with me and licking me and I was definitely enjoying that and not really thinking about anything. Lily ended up, so she showered, the guy started hitting on her big time, but they walked back to the movie room and she sees me playing with one of the wives and thought, well, okay, he's doing that, so I guess it's okay for me to do a little more play. So she let him take her into one of the semi-private rooms and they started, they had sex. I mean, she blew him.

Speaker 4:
[54:38] Interesting.

Speaker 5:
[54:39] So they had left the door to the room open, which was an invitation for people to come and watch.

Speaker 4:
[54:44] Oh my goodness.

Speaker 5:
[54:45] So he's.

Speaker 4:
[54:47] At this point, you're still just getting blown by that girl in the other room, you didn't go any further with her?

Speaker 5:
[54:52] Oh no, we ended up fucking.

Speaker 4:
[54:54] Oh my God.

Speaker 5:
[54:55] So Lily said, a couple of guys had come to the door and asked if they could watch, and she's like, I don't, sure, and Propeller said, sure. So they were watching and then one of the guys came, asked if he could come over and play with their tits. And so she agreed to that and he did. So she's getting fucked by the one guy, the other's playing with their tits, then the third guy asked if he could come in and play with her other tit, and he did. In the meantime, so I'd finished up with the woman I was with after a while.

Speaker 4:
[55:31] You had sex.

Speaker 5:
[55:33] I had sex.

Speaker 4:
[55:33] You don't even know that your wife has gotten back from the bathroom and saw you or anything at this point, correct?

Speaker 5:
[55:39] No, I don't. So I was like, where's, you know, I haven't seen Lily, wondered where she was at. I was being a typical guy. So I got up and I started looking for her and I saw a couple of guys standing by one of the doors to the private rooms. And, you know, I can hear some wild, crazy sex going on. And I walked over and I looked over a couple of shoulders and I see her in their basically, basically doggy style with like three or four other guys around her, you know, her sucking, you know, going back and forth and I was like, what the fuck? Well, of course, I walked. I mean, it was great to watch. I was there for a while. When they all finished, she saw me standing there and came over and, you know, said, oh, I need to go to the bathroom and clean up again. So we didn't really talk about anything that had happened. I could tell she was, the reality of the fact that she was just in a gang bang, basically, and we had talked about not doing much at all, so we didn't get overwhelmed.

Speaker 4:
[56:51] And solo play is not on the table.

Speaker 5:
[56:53] And solo play was not on the table. So I went with her to the bathroom, she cleaned up, we had our clothes in a locker, we left, really didn't talk until we got back to the hotel room. And then it was like, I won't say we seldom argue, but we were both upset and angry. And I think the anger was more directed at internally. I mean, we were both like, what the fuck are you doing? And Lily said, I came out, I was thinking we were gonna leave, and here I see so and so giving you head. And I decided that if you're gonna do it, then it's okay for me. And then I said, well, sure, I would have been okay with that, but then I come back there and I find you with half a dozen guys.

Speaker 4:
[57:42] Yeah, I mean, you're both valid, but you're both also like no one has a leg to stand. No one's more right or wrong in this scenario, really. Unfortunately, that's really what it comes down to. But you're both human, and you're both gonna be upset about it. I totally get it.

Speaker 5:
[57:57] Yeah, so we got to that point. I mean, it didn't take us long before we were like, okay, we both fucked up. We enjoyed ourselves, but we lost control, and we never considered ourselves people who just lose control.

Speaker 4:
[58:15] Isn't that humbling, though, to know that anyone could wind up doing anything? That's why you can't be judgmental, because look, before you know it, that could happen to you too.

Speaker 5:
[58:26] Well, and I would say we had no regrets afterwards. But we did go to swinger clubs a couple of times after that. Partly to make sure that we could control ourselves. But we also realized that it wasn't our thing. I mean, it was fun, but we preferred getting to know a couple that we were going to have sex with.

Speaker 4:
[58:51] That makes sense.

Speaker 5:
[58:53] Know that we like them. Lily said, before we got together, she's like, I have never been a one-night stand or a booty call person. That's just not my thing. I've got to know the person and I agreed with her. For us, doing it that way, it was so much more fun. Three times at a swingers club and that was basically it for us. But I have used a lot of our life to write my books. Basically, what I was just telling you, I kind of covered in a couple of books called The Photographer's Story because they kind of all tied in together.

Speaker 4:
[59:37] Yeah. Why don't you give a shout out to all that stuff?

Speaker 5:
[59:39] Yeah. Okay. So I've got 35 books on Amazon right now.

Speaker 4:
[59:44] Wow. What's your pen name? What's your name for also? Because they could just put your name in and see all your books, right?

Speaker 5:
[59:52] Yes. Kyle Cannon.

Speaker 4:
[59:53] Okay.

Speaker 5:
[59:55] C-A-N-O-N. I was really original because my favorite camera is a Cannon. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[60:01] There you go.

Speaker 5:
[60:02] But so I wrote a whole series about nudist resorts. Some of my stories are closer to true than others. I wrote a series that was strangely popular called The Succubus Queen. Absolutely nothing other than location is real in that because I've never met a succubus. But it's really popular. The last three books I wrote are Reclaiming Kelly is the series name. It goes into a lot of what we were talking about, a couple swinging and how they both enjoyed the reclaiming afterwards, and the different scenarios they'd get into. A lot of them were things that Lily and I have done. It helps to be able to write from personal experience.

Speaker 4:
[60:56] Yeah, I love that. You have a lot of books. I just put your name in on Amazon. You have a ton of stuff for people who like to read erotica. You have so much stuff, especially in the stuff that people like, like Hot Wife, Succubus, Reclaiming.

Speaker 5:
[61:15] Yeah. Well, the resort is one that's in there that is 95% true, and people love hearing that. We were at one of our favorite nudist resorts, and we were in an RV, and the guy who pulled in next to us was single, and had a dick the size of an elephant trunk. Wow.

Speaker 4:
[61:38] One of those.

Speaker 5:
[61:39] Yeah, but he was the nicest man ever. We actually had him on the podcast about a year after we met him there. And we were doing video at the time, trying to do video broadcast for the podcast, and he convinced Lily to do a boob drop.

Speaker 4:
[61:59] So obviously Lily has great boobs. We've heard about them many times on this podcast. People are going to be like, I want to see fucking Lily's boobs. Hopefully, you'll put them on my Discord because I know you're on there.

Speaker 5:
[62:12] Yeah. Well, I have put a few on Discord already.

Speaker 4:
[62:16] Okay, good.

Speaker 5:
[62:18] So yeah, if anybody wants to see it, where's the best channel I used to put it on?

Speaker 4:
[62:24] Well, first of all, I'm going to put all your links in the description, right? So people can find all your stuff whether they want to buy your books as well as listen to your podcast, right? But you could also send me pics for my Patreon. For Patreon, I always say R-rated. And you probably have plenty of that because of all the pics you take. If for Patreon, no nips or anything showing, but it can be pretty lingerie shots and stuff, just nothing overtly sexual, more R-rated than X-rated. And then for Discord, anything goes. And since you're on there, you could post yourself because people really love to talk to the guests directly. Sometimes I post them if the guest doesn't want to, but you're already in there, so you might as well do it yourself. And you could post anything there. You could post more explicit stuff. If you want to put one of the pictures of the story that you talked about that goes with the story of the photographer, right? Because like that shoot is the book, the photographer, right?

Speaker 5:
[63:17] That shoot is the book, the photo shoot.

Speaker 4:
[63:20] The photo shoot, sorry.

Speaker 5:
[63:21] Right.

Speaker 4:
[63:22] I said photographer. Photo shoot. Yeah. So that's good to know. And you could promote anything. Make sure on Discord you put links to your Amazon page as well as to your podcast and stuff, so that way people want direct links to there. You can't do that in the comments, but you could put it in your bio and you should. You know what I mean? And I think when people hear this episode and they hear these stories, they're definitely going to want to check out all your books, but specifically the ones, give the titles again of the ones that are mostly true and the ones that are go along with the stories you just told again. Why don't you give a shout out to those as well again, real quick.

Speaker 5:
[63:52] Okay. The nudist resort ones are all in the series Aaron's Erotic Adventures, and they are really close to everything that Lily and I had done over the years. Then there's a series called The Photographer's Story, which those were the very first books that I wrote, erotic books that I wrote, and they're really close to what I just went through with you, explaining how we got into the lifestyle.

Speaker 4:
[64:22] Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 5:
[64:23] Then the resort I've already mentioned, that's a very true story and a lot of fun. Sharon's Punishment is extremely popular. We don't get into BDSM, but that was kind of the, we've done some stuff like that. So that story is pretty close to true and a lot of people enjoy it. And then the Reclaiming Kelly books.

Speaker 4:
[64:50] Yeah, we'll go and check it out. Let me ask you this, okay? Because I think we will push that all that stuff. But real quick, like, where are you guys at now? You don't do the swingers clubs, is it still hooking up with those couples that you hook up with? You have new couples in your life? Just give me the like a quick rundown. And a couple minutes, nothing long, because I'm going to edit some of the beginning out.

Speaker 5:
[65:13] Yeah, we still hook up with our original friends. Yeah. And I'd say there's three other semi-regular couples. We've backed away a lot from that because of work and so many other things that we have going on. And at this point in our lives right now, I mean, we still will, especially with our good friends, but we've had the conversation that we know each other so well, that there are times Lily is fucking another guy and she's enjoying it, but he's not going to make her come. I mean, I'm going to make her come. So, you know, we've talked about the sex with each other is so much better than what we get from other people when, you know, if you're just talking that physical and emotional part of it.

Speaker 4:
[66:01] Of course.

Speaker 5:
[66:02] But, I mean, there are those times where you just want to get wild and crazy and and you still do that. I mean, listen, I still do that.

Speaker 4:
[66:09] Yeah. So you're open and you engage, you're still writing your books, you're still taking a lot of your pictures. And are you able for are you also like available to be hired to take pics of couples and stuff?

Speaker 5:
[66:25] Yes, I backed away. So I backed away from that a lot because we were running in into a lot of a lot of competition from guys who just had a who just went out and bought a digital camera and wanted to take naked pictures of people.

Speaker 4:
[66:41] And we have no competition on my on my show. If you're if people that are listening couples or even anyone on Discord might like if they're listening and they want a professional photographer to take hot pics of them or their hot waist situation, they know that as a photographer you're you've done stuff like that before. They can hire you to do that, correct?

Speaker 5:
[67:00] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[67:00] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[67:00] Look at look at look at my pictures. And if you like what what I've done, then reach out and we'll try to figure something out.

Speaker 4:
[67:08] Okay, how do they reach out to you?

Speaker 5:
[67:10] I would say the easy Kyle Cannon Fiction at gmail.com.

Speaker 4:
[67:14] Okay, love it.

Speaker 5:
[67:15] Email address.

Speaker 4:
[67:16] Okay, cool. So listen up if anyone wants pictures. I do have a lot of couples, you know, and I think what's great about you as a photographer in these kinds of scenarios, it's very specific, but you've done it so much and you specialize. It's like kind of like you specialize in it. You know what I mean? You're a real photographer. It's very different than the guy with the digital camera. So plus you're very professional and these are really, you know, professional pictures that, you know, maybe you'll get clients for that too.

Speaker 5:
[67:37] And I do have to say I had been doing wedding photography for a while, but I totally gave up on that because I hated it.

Speaker 4:
[67:46] Yeah, we're not interested in that. My audience is going to hire you for you taking pictures of their wives fucking other guys. That's the world we live in here. Yeah, nude wedding.

Speaker 5:
[67:56] Nude wedding I'd be down for.

Speaker 4:
[67:58] All right. Well, listen, thanks for having me on your show. Thanks for now coming on my show and giving me all your stories. I will put links to your stuff in the description. Do me a favor and send me your pics and everything sooner than later. I have everything. Okay, Kyle? And I'll tag you on everything when I promote your episodes on Instagram and X. Okay?

Speaker 5:
[68:18] All right. Sounds good. I really appreciate it. And thanks for having me on and for coming on my podcast. It was great. I love talking to you and hopefully we can do it again soon.

Speaker 4:
[68:28] Yeah, sure. This was so much fun. Thanks, Kyle. Have a good day.

Speaker 5:
[68:31] Thanks.

Speaker 4:
[68:31] Bye.

Speaker 5:
[68:31] You too.

Speaker 4:
[68:32] Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confessions, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available, not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audio book. It's still not going to be out till August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. There's a hot wife story, there's a cuck queen story, there's a cuck story, there's a gang bang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories, and they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person, and I wouldn't really call it a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse Letters. It's more direct, it's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories, 17 of them, they're really short chapters, easy read. You could read one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in e-back format, paperback format. And finally, the audiobook is available coming out August 25th. But you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me, okay? I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other. And that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total Strictly Anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audio book, the ebook, or the paperback. Send it to me at strictlyanonymouspodcasts.gmail.com. That's strictlyanonymouspodcasts.gmail.com and I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confessions, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audio book. It's still not gonna be out till August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show, like there's a hot wife story, there's a cuck queen story, there's a cuck story, there's a gang bang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories, and they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person, and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book, think like Penthouse Letters. It's more direct, it's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? These are true stories, 17 of them, they're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in e-back format, paperback format, and finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me, okay? I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other, and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total Strictly Anonymous community, and you will love it. You'll be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook or the paperback. Send it to me at StrictlyAnonymousPodcasts at gmail.com. That's StrictlyAnonymousPodcasts at gmail.com, and I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in.