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Speaker 1:
[00:03] Welcome to the Birthing Instincts Podcast. I'm Dr. Stuart Fischbein, a hospital and home birth obstetrician for over 40 years, and a long time advocate for birth choices.

Speaker 2:
[00:11] And I'm Blyss Young, a traditional midwife. Join us in our conversational style podcast where we talk about everything birth.

Speaker 1:
[00:19] Sometimes we laugh, sometimes we cry, but we're happy that you're here. So here we go. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and?

Speaker 2:
[00:33] The middle of the night.

Speaker 1:
[00:34] Good middle of the night.

Speaker 2:
[00:35] Hey, did you get that from Del Bigtree?

Speaker 1:
[00:39] This T-shirt?

Speaker 2:
[00:41] No, that saying.

Speaker 1:
[00:44] No, I did it before he did it. He just says, he says, he says, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, or something like that.

Speaker 2:
[00:50] Yes, and I was like, oh.

Speaker 1:
[00:54] Maybe I got it more from the Truman Show, if anything.

Speaker 2:
[00:57] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[00:59] And if I don't see you.

Speaker 2:
[01:02] Yeah. How are you doing?

Speaker 1:
[01:05] Me, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm just slowly dealing with the same things I've been dealing with with my back now, more than my knee, but it's all connected. The hip bone is connected to the backbone. And yeah, it's going to work its way out. I'm confident it's going to work its way out. It's just a slow process.

Speaker 2:
[01:25] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that I had this funny pain that didn't seem like it should be there, and I was really worried about it. I was like, oh, I did the surgery for that, and now I'm this, and it did. It worked itself out. Just keep moving your body and doing good things. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[01:45] Well, I'm off tonight to head to Los Angeles. Both my grandchildren are going to be there, and believe it or not, I'm going to get to meet my other grandchild for the first time.

Speaker 2:
[01:58] That's very exciting.

Speaker 1:
[01:59] The veil is lifted.

Speaker 2:
[02:02] That's very exciting.

Speaker 1:
[02:04] Yeah. My son called me last night and said, we want everybody to come, everybody who hasn't met her is going to come meet her, so I'm very excited about that. If people haven't been listening, again, it's family stuff. There are people that want to believe that vaccines are the greatest thing since sliced bread, and that if you're not vaccinated, you're a danger to other people and that sort of thing. Even though they know who I am and what I do and what I pronounce, it didn't matter, and so we've waited many, many months. But now, apparently, it's free. We're free to do that. I'm going to meet my grandchild this weekend while I'm there.

Speaker 2:
[02:41] Great.

Speaker 1:
[02:42] It's a very important topic to discuss, and that's why I'm really excited before we get into my usual stuff. I just announced that today is Del Bigtree Day on the Birthing Instincts Podcast.

Speaker 2:
[02:52] Del Bigtree Day. Yes, we've been waiting and we're very excited to have him on. I did get a chance to watch the documentary, and we'll talk more about that with him, An Inconvenient Study.

Speaker 1:
[03:06] Yeah. Okay. I've got a couple of things that I want to go over.

Speaker 2:
[03:09] I just wanted to say before you go, that I am leaving tomorrow to head down to Santa Barbara. So it's funny, we'll both be in Southern California. Supporting a client, I think I mentioned her. She thought she was done having babies and then put it in an IUD and got pregnant with her IUD. So she was like, Blyss, what am I going to do without you? So I do do travel midwifery from time to time, and so I'm heading down to Southern California for a month. It's going to be a beautiful weather and it'll be lovely to do all my things and see all the way people down there.

Speaker 1:
[03:45] Well, she's lucky to have you. She's very lucky to have you.

Speaker 2:
[03:48] I get to spend time with Raven Lang tomorrow on my way down. So I'll have a lot to talk about next week.

Speaker 1:
[03:54] Even better. So I want to read something just to basically cheer you up, cheer everybody up. It's a great letter about perseverance, and it's from a woman named Sarah. She says, thank you. The subject is thank you. I'm a wife, homeschooling mother, and finally a midwife. In 2011, my husband and I decided to have our sixth baby at home. The care I received from my midwives was profoundly different than what I received from obstetricians. I knew I wanted to help more families experience midwifery care in my community. I live on the northern neck of Virginia, the majority of which the March of Dimes has declared a maternity care desert. The journey to becoming a midwife was not at all easy or straightforward. I started studying midwifery formally in 2014. I had two more babies, changed schools, and in 2018 was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer. I think knowing that I had children to raise, a goal to achieve, and mothers to care for helped me preserve and survive through an incredibly rocky journey through cancer treatment. After two years of fighting for my life, I went back to school. This is what I'm talking about, perseverance. I went back to school just as the world shut down for COVID. It's like, just keep hitting me over the head.

Speaker 2:
[05:06] Right.

Speaker 1:
[05:07] There were definitely times I thought I must be a total idiot to push through so much crap. However, I did push through at it all. And in 2023, I completed my training and became CPM and licensed midwife in the state of Virginia. In order to make sure I was ready for rural practice, I trained with midwives who served areas 1.5 to 2 hours from my home. One summer, I even had an internship that required me to leave my home for two weeks at a time. I spent a ton of time driving through my training every week with rare exception. I listened to your newest podcast every week as I was driving. Hearing your voices greeting me no matter what hour of day or night somehow made the driving hours easier and helped them to not feel like wasted time because I was learning while driving. I also thought if I was stuck in the muck of an assignment feeling like I was being pulled down the rabbit hole of contradictory information in multiple texts and no longer feeling certain about reasonable responses to possible issues, listening to your podcast about that issue brought clarity.

Speaker 2:
[06:08] Right. Because it's kind of just like no nonsense, right? We just break it down and that's awesome.

Speaker 1:
[06:14] Yeah, I get emotional because this is our mission. I didn't always agree 100% with either Blyss or Dr. Stu stated, but there would be clarity and I would know how I thought a thing should be handled in my future practice. You two are my companions through midwifery school. I know I'm not the first person to share that, but you both deserve to know that you contributed to one more midwife coming into practice.

Speaker 2:
[06:36] I love that.

Speaker 1:
[06:38] Thank you for persevering, she says to us.

Speaker 2:
[06:42] It's true.

Speaker 1:
[06:42] Three challenges and continue to bring us so much information and common sense on so many topics. You are both a blessing to the birth world.

Speaker 2:
[06:51] Thank you. That's amazing. I love that.

Speaker 1:
[06:54] Okay. I want to keep moving on. Yeah, it's always good to start out with a good story because now I'm going to get into it. ACOG. You and I say more. Sure. Well, this is really relevant to today's topic. ACOG just sent out an email on March 30th, 2026 for those of you who are listening, we're recording on April 8th. This is called the ACOG, the Pulse on Maternal Health. It's right up there. It's in there. It's state of the art. It's what's going on. It's a newsletter and they say this, the Pulse on Maternal Health newsletter offers an all-inclusive source for the latest information and resources on immunization, infectious disease, and emerging issues to ACOG members. A new poll conducted by Annenberg Public Policy Center. Now, I did some research into the Annenberg Public Policy Center and they are based at the University of Pennsylvania, which is an Ivy League school. So they label themselves as nonpartisan. But people listing, how many nonpartisan people have a voice at an Ivy League school? I will tell you not very many, okay? When I did some investigation with Chat GPT, they're listed as a center left organization, which is basically they're a left-wing organization, but they're modified because that's just the way they use their terminology. The poll that they did found higher confidence in professional medical associations, citing that 77 percent of respondents are confident in the American Academy of Pediatrics. And they're confident in them to make public health recommendations, while only 59 percent are confident with the CDC. So I asked them about that, and I said, how is this possible? Because I don't know seven people that think the American Academy of Pediatrics is worthwhile.

Speaker 2:
[08:51] They're very well. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[08:52] They said, well, it depends how they ask the question. If they ask the question, how much confidence do you have in the American Academy of Pediatrics, they'll get one answer. But if they say, how much do you trust the American Academy of Pediatrics to make unbiased recommendations on controversial issues, they're going to get a different answer. So I'm bringing this up because when you see a survey, whether it's on Fox or in the New York Times or anywhere else, pretty much you cannot trust what it says. Because they also do composite answering. Because they may ask a question like, how much confidence do you have? A great deal, a fair amount, sum, or none? Maybe 5 percent have a great deal, but 20 percent have a fair amount and 40 percent have a sum. They're going to say, well, that's 65 percent that have confidence in the American Academy of Pediatrics. That's how they do it. ACOG goes on in this newsletter to say there's still time to get a flu vaccine. Your pregnant and postpartum patients are at significantly higher risk of serious complications from seasonal influenza. This is again, March 30th, 2026. ACOG recommends that all adults receive an annual influenza vaccine at any time that influenza virus are circulating. I'm not going to comment on this. I'm just bringing it up because our guests today, we're going to be diving into this sort of thing. Then they have an update guidance on COVID-19 vaccine in the same publication, emphasizing that while federal recommendations and messaging on the vaccine have changed, the underlying science has not. Pregnant people face a higher risk of severe COVID-19 and vaccination in pregnancy has a strong safety record. Based on the evidence, ACOG continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination as routine preventative care. This is probably the way it promoted as science, not opinion. Then they also talk about the Vaccine Integrity Project by the University of Minnesota will review the safety of the DTaP vaccine. You have confidence in their findings? Because they say that the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, or ACIP, that they have kind of pulled back from some of these things. They're not based in evidence and they're fostering misinformation. The ACIP panel. ACOG recommends that all pregnant patients receive a Tdap vaccine during pregnancy. And they're also reviewing the HPV vaccine. So I'm sure we're going to get very reassuring information on that. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[11:33] I have one other thing I want to share with you that I got inspired by when you were reading that letter.

Speaker 1:
[11:39] Please.

Speaker 2:
[11:40] I had received, just, you know, we get messages in our DMs and stuff, and somebody was asking me for a recommendation for a midwife in Portland. And she said, and by the way, your voice was actually in my head as I began labor for my last cum birth and it went very well. And I said, really? What did my voice say? And she said, with my last labor, I kept half waking up with pelvic discomfort. But it took me a while to realize that I was in labor. Once I realized that they were real contractions, I heard your voice as if you were reading a letter from a listener saying, I breathed through each contraction in your full mark soothing lovely voice, which is so sweet. It really helped me get into a great rhythm of coping well. It was actually so easy. I was doubting whether I was in real labor. The next thing I knew, I was pushing. And I was like, that's one of the best compliments I've ever gotten that she heard my voice in labor. So, so fun.

Speaker 1:
[12:40] Yeah. Hearing your voice just does have a soothing effect. I can't, I tell you, Wednesdays are great for me. And obviously for our listeners too. The reason I read that thing about ACOG's new newsletter is because along with the American Academy of Pediatrics and the survey, depending on who you ask, they're going to say that that's reliable information. But when you see the information that's out there, that we see and that our guest is going to talk about today, you have to realize that you cannot know, these organizations are just completely sold out. I'm going to ask Del what he thinks is motivated, what's going on here. Along that line, just to finish before I read his introduction, from Jennifer Margulis, our colleague and friend of the podcast, she wrote this on Substack. She said, Young families in America opting to have their babies in the hospital are increasingly opting out of routine newborn care. Indeed, medical doctors are finding that some families are declining not only the birth dose of the hepatitis B vaccine to prevent a sexually transmitted disease, but also other standard treatments like immediate cord clamping, injectable vitamin K, and the antibiotic eye ointment, as well as the removal of the foreskin of an infant's penis if the baby is a boy. Let's hope they're also opting in to exclusive breastfeeding, continuous skin-to-skin contact with their babies, zero separation of the baby from the parents, and even cloth instead of plastic diapering. Where does opting out lead? Towards a huge financial loss for the pharmaceutical industry, and the doctors who have become their lackeys and towards better health for our babies in the entire country. The parents who are opting out the most often are the ones talking to regret moms who follow the doctor's orders and ended up with a severely immune-challenged or brain-damaged child. Doctors entrenched in the status quo find all of this threatening. A new family's choice to do nothing, no cord clamping, no circumcision, no hepatitis B vaccine, no injectable vitamin K, no newborn bath, no eye ointment, no supplementing with pesticide-laden artificial milk products, no allowing the baby to be taken to the nursery is deeply uncomfortable for doctors inside a medical system that profits off docility and compliance.

Speaker 2:
[15:02] I love her. She's such a great writer.

Speaker 1:
[15:05] Okay. Let's see. The topic of toxins, specifically, vaccines in pregnancy may have at one time been controversial. It isn't anymore. They'll keep saying that. Because if you say a lie over and over again, and repeatedly with confidence, it starts to become truth. But it isn't truth. Yet ACOG, the Society for Maternal Fetal Medicine, the American Academy of Pediatrics continue to insist on the terms safe and effective. They use motivational interviewing, which is another word for?

Speaker 2:
[15:41] Manipulation.

Speaker 1:
[15:42] Co-ordination. Why do they do that? The answer to that question is going to come from our next guest, and I'm going to introduce him now with his bio. I'm honored, by the way. Del Bigtree is one of the preeminent voices of the MAHA movement. He was Director of Communications for Robert Kennedy Jr's 2024 presidential campaign, the founder and CEO of the non-profit, Informed Consent Action Network, and host of the Internet talk show at thehighwire.com, boasting over 400 million views worldwide. A former Emmy Award-winning producer of the CBS talk show, The Doctors, and most recently ex-executive producer of the film, An Inconvenient Study, Del's multi-pronged approach incorporates media, legislative and legal actions to expose the fraud, lies and conflicts of interest that have allowed US regulatory agencies to collude with industry power brokers, to evade standardized safety testing on products including vaccines, drugs, food, drinking water, and 5G. On behalf of American citizens, Del's non-profit, ICAN, the Informed Consent Action Network, has submitted over 1,000 Freedom of Information requests, FOIA, and has won multiple lawsuits against government agencies, including HHS, NIH, FDA, and the CDC. Most notable are the FDA case that forced the release of Pfizer's COVID vaccine trial data, which the FDA has attempted to hide for 75 years. The CDC case that forced the release of the CDC's V-Safe COVID vaccine injury data, and the state of Mississippi's case which reinstated the religious exemption from vaccination, which has been denied for over 30 years. There's so much we have to talk about with him. Let's go to a break. We're going to come back, we're going to bring Del in and take it from there.

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Speaker 3:
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Speaker 1:
[20:01] Hello, Del. This is Blyss, by the way.

Speaker 3:
[20:04] Hi, Blyss.

Speaker 2:
[20:05] Hi, nice to meet you.

Speaker 1:
[20:06] We've been doing this for almost 10 years, so pretty much as long as the highway has been around.

Speaker 3:
[20:11] All right. Love it.

Speaker 2:
[20:13] Amazing.

Speaker 1:
[20:14] We just read your bio, and I just want to tell our listeners, there's so much more to this man. It is my honor to have my friend and mentor. You are a mentor to me, Del. You have been and welcome you to the Birthing Instincts podcast. You didn't mention in your bio that you also produced Vaxxed. Then you created The Highway.

Speaker 3:
[20:35] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[20:37] You did mention your non-profit ICAN. I want to give you more time to elaborate on that. Blyss, did you want to ask?

Speaker 2:
[20:45] Yeah. I'm so honored to meet you, Del. I was greatly influenced by your documentary Vaxxed and Vaxxed 2. Stu and I have mentioned your name many times on this podcast. For me to get an opportunity to speak to you, not in person necessarily, but in this great online version that we get to have. It is a true honor and thank you for the courage to continue to be a truth-teller. I'm sure you know you get letters and accolades, it ripples out into the world and makes a huge impact. One of the things that we like to do when we're interviewing and talking to one of our new friends, is to just find out your backstory because we hear bio and has a lot of information. But I think the story of how you ended up taking your career in the direction that you had is always really interesting for people. Also, before you start, I was thinking, I was watching your documentary yesterday, and I was thinking about the fact that you and Stu got to spend time together in person, and I knew you guys were going to just be like doing the dude thing, and here I am.

Speaker 3:
[21:50] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[21:51] And I was moved and very weepy several times during the documentary, which we'll get to talk to you about more. And what I was thinking is, I represent the moms, that the women who are standing up to protect their children who has had to suffer with many of those injuries and losses that highlight in these films. So I hope to be that feminine voice in this conversation today. And I told Stu, I might cry. So I'm just letting you know that.

Speaker 3:
[22:27] Well, I might cry too. So we'll do our best to hold it together.

Speaker 2:
[22:31] It's OK.

Speaker 3:
[22:32] We don't have to. I actually have. Like I was in a podcast yesterday. Like when I talk about how important this time we're living in is and how important it is, we recognize our power now, especially our right to speak out in the United States of America. It's just it's really a profoundly important moment in humanity. And we need everyone to understand that. Or we're going to, I think, lose the American dream. So but we can get into that. And I just want to say, Dr. Stu, my interview with you is one of the most successful interviews we've had on the high wire, certainly this year, but it's one of the top ones that our people really were fascinated by the conversation we had. So it's still trending for us. It's still so it's a big one. Just want to let you know. So our audience really loved that conversation.

Speaker 1:
[23:26] You have a brilliant producer.

Speaker 3:
[23:29] I do. That's true. That's true. Jen Sherry is amazing. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[23:35] The reason I know Del is because his producer from way back when you were on The Doctors Show had a home breach delivery with me in Los Angeles and Blyss was at that delivery, Del.

Speaker 3:
[23:46] Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah. That was a really funny thing because she, we had had our first child at home, we're very good friends and her and Adam and I remember they were like really vacillating and then suddenly had they had this breach issue and they came and they said, our baby's breach and so we've decided that this is a sign we're supposed to have our baby at home. I was like, well, I thought that should be the sign that you do it in the hospital and instead it triggered them a totally different way than I would imagine. They brought you up and so it was really, it was really wild, you know.

Speaker 1:
[24:26] I will tell you that they were planning for a hospital birth with a midwife team at a local hospital downtown LA and when they found out there was a breach, the midwives there said, there's nobody here that's going to support you, but they knew me.

Speaker 3:
[24:39] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[24:40] And so then we met for the first time, probably she was 36, 37 weeks. I probably had one or two visits with her.

Speaker 3:
[24:46] Amazing.

Speaker 1:
[24:47] Yeah. And then she went into labor. So that's that was the origin story of how I met somebody who knew you. Because I don't think that I... I didn't really watch The Doctors show. I wasn't a big fan of The Doctor, the OB that you had on The Doctors show.

Speaker 3:
[24:59] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[25:00] So it was like Nails on a blackboard for me to paint what she was talking about. But anyway, so it's your story, you go ahead, Sash.

Speaker 3:
[25:09] You know, I always try to think like, what's the most appropriate place to go back to in my story? Like, where does this book start, at least for this conversation? And I think because what you do is bring children into the world, I think it's really important to talk about how I was brought into this world. I was brought into the world by very, very conscious parents. I always say I don't win any of these pity parties where people sit around and talk about how messed up their childhood was or the damage that was done. I'm the opposite. My parents took raising us very, very seriously, especially my mother, who just believed it was one of the most important things she was going to do in her life. My parents were very atypical. I mean, they were like total 60s hippies that marched in Chicago. So they were like activists. They believed in standing up for freedom of speech from a very liberal perspective. I grew up a liberal, ultimately, I guess we'd call ourselves liberal progressive. But my parents were macrobiotic. They had all natural health. My mom decided not to vaccinate me as a child. When I've asked her why, she didn't have a scientific reason. She just said, I brought you into the hospital to get your vaccines. The person right in front of me, the nurse was just screaming at this mom, like how could you have waited this long? You put your baby in danger. This isn't how you raise. Just going off on this mom. My mom said she just listened to it and just thought, I don't want that energy anywhere near my child. She also reflected on the fact that she was Native American. Her father had just left the reservation in upstate New York. She really believed that because they were poor, her mother was a Russian immigrant, a Native American father, that the local doctor or pediatrician could test products on her and her sister's new drugs, new vaccines. So she's like, I was constantly being made sick by the latest thing this doctor wanted to try on us so that she eventually just that reflection, thinking that mom was like, oh, I hated going to the doctor as a kid. I did not like how I was treated. Never felt like it made me feel well. And so she just said, I'm not doing it. So I was raised without any zero allopathic medicine. Probably every once in a while we would go to a chiropractor if I had wiped out skiing or something. But even that, my parents were very mind over matter. They were the only healing techniques we used were Edgar Cayce. So my parents were really into Edgar Cayce, which was a psychic. He started the Association of Research Enlightenment and through his readings, there's all this book of treatments like castor oil packs and all sorts of like enemas and things that you would just, no one would have thought to do. So that's my background. I grew up with that and my parents taught me to meditate when I was like three years old. I'm not going to say I loved it. I was like, I don't know why I'm sitting here. I'm bored. I want to, you know, but they just instilled in me and my brother and sister that you are here to make the world a better place. You're going to change the world. And that was the mantra. And so, you know, they tried different things. And when I was in, I always tell the story, when I was in, I think it was like third or fourth grade, I was in a public school. We would walk to school. My sister and I, she was like in first grade. Back when you could walk six blocks and not have your parents arrested, you know, for not helicoptering over you. And so I went off to that day in school and we would come home for lunch. My mom didn't want us anywhere near the school lunches. You know, she made her own bread and her own mayonnaise. And like, I mean, it was like, you know, weird. We were weird kids.

Speaker 1:
[28:55] We would be labeled weird kids, right?

Speaker 3:
[28:57] Yes, yeah. So I got home that afternoon for lunch and my mom said, you know, what happened to the shirt you wore to school? And I remember it. I had made this shirt in art class the previous week where we were using dyes and waxes. And I managed like, it's called Batik, but I managed to spell the name of my gymnastics team. It was a little messed up, but it said the Flyers. Like I was really impressed. I got letters out of the whole technique. And then I came home, I wasn't wearing it. And my mom said, why? I said, well, Craig, who's my best friend, said this shirt looks stupid and he lives right next door to the school. So I just ran over to his house and borrowed one of his t-shirts. And I never saw a school again for like, until I went into high school. So fourth grade, so seven, eight years. That afternoon, my mom said, I am never going to raise kids that care what anyone else thinks. You're going to learn that you should believe in yourself. There's no one stands between you and your connection to God. Always question authority. Never be afraid to ask questions. So I think that is why I'm here, you know? And I had my moments of rebellion, but deep down when I went to Hollywood, I wanted to be a filmmaker. My dad was a minister. We grew up running the family church, which also is a technical gig. I had to run the audio systems and the lighting and the video cameras and all that. My dad was kind of a big deal in Boulder, Colorado. Had a big following. But when I went off to Hollywood, my dad said, You know, Hollywood demean is the human spirit. It shows the ugliest part of us. You know, if you're going to do this, Del, if you're going to be in Hollywood, raise us up, celebrate humanity. So I always try to do that. I spent years making little short movies and music videos, but my real break came with the Dr. Phil show, and then he created the Doctors television show. So I wanted to be Steven Spielberg. I was there to make movies, but my break came in television. And I remember my mom calling once. I won an Emmy award in the Doctors television show, and she's like, what are you doing working on a medical talk show? You've never been to a doctor in your life. So it felt like, I guess, like Providence, if you will. I remember saying to her, I don't know, I really feel profoundly that I'm being led on some journey. This is definitely not where I thought I'd be, but I am really fascinated by medicine and science in a way that I wouldn't have imagined I was. I seemed to really understand. I suddenly felt smart, wasn't particularly smart, or didn't think of it in school. I'm an all right and average guy, didn't get great grades. And then suddenly I'm reading medical journals and doing really controversial stories on the doctors. And then finally, after about six or seven years on that show, a story came to me about a whistleblower inside the CDC, which is Dr. William Thompson, and ultimately turned into the documentary Vaxed. It was right then that SB 277 was kicking into gear, this law that was going to take away our right to opt out of the vaccine program. I had a new infant, my son Ever, who I had not vaccinated. And of course, I was raised that way. And so it was actually, again, like there's a lot that just felt so miraculous in that there was this whistleblower story. I couldn't get near it. I pitched it to my executives. They're like, we are not going to mess with the CDC and say that they've got some rogue scientists saying they're committing fraud. We're not going to mess with Merck that made the MMR vaccine, because that movie ended up being all about MMR vaccine and autism. So I couldn't touch that story. And then I might have let it go, but I got a call a week or two later, you know, there's a hole in your show, you've got to come over to the stage, we need to cut this piece really quickly, we're shooting right now, we're going to stick it in your show that airs tomorrow. So I ran over to the stage and out walked Senator Richard Pan, the senator in California, to announce this genius new law he had that was going to force vaccinate every kid in California. To sit there, I mean, what are the odds, right? There's seven producers, it could have been any one of us. Why is it me? Why is The Doctors the show? He's going to make this announcement. I think that was the official first announcement to the world. And I was sitting backstage watching this guy and thinking, that's the end of life, the life that I was raised in. That's the end of how I want to raise my child. I did fine without vaccines. It wasn't really a scientific decision. I just didn't think I needed it. My mom didn't work well for me. And I was doing the same thing with my child. And so I sat there the whole time, just thinking, I can't imagine my name is going to be in the credits promoting this concept. And I ran over to the executive's office right after it. And I thought I might have to out myself. I might have to out that I don't actually, I'm not one of you. I didn't come through this medical system. You haven't been recognizing it, but most of the shows I'm doing are challenging the established thinking. I did a lot of shows on drugs being recalled, not just why they were recalled, but how did they get approved to begin with? Why did it take so long? The shows, I was one of the highest-rated producers, and my producers weren't paying attention to the fact that I was really challenging the system. I thought this would be the moment I'd have to out myself, but I ran over to the executive's office and said, look, that was a 10-minute interview. I only have a two-minute hold on my show. I don't think you want to cut that down that much. They said, no, you're right. We'll put it in someone else's show. I was like, at least it's not my name on it. But it started eating at me, and probably one of the most powerful moments. And I know I've been talking a lot, but it's sort of how we get here. It probably took a couple weeks after that, and I really, we kept promoting SB277 on the show. I started having a real ethical problem with what the show was representing. And I sat down in my office and really prayed more sort of desperately or powerfully than I had probably ever. And I just said, you know, God, I really appreciate this life and this journey I've been on. It didn't turn out like I expected, but I'm really enjoying it. I have a house, I'm successful, you know, winning awards. I have a child, a family, everything's going well. But I really feel like I'm supposed to be telling this whistleblower story at the CDC. It suits me. I don't, you know what I mean? I have an issue around the vaccine issue. And now this law, I feel like I should be making media to warn people that this is going to take away a very important right. And I'm on the one show I can't go near any of these things. I'm in the one place I actually can't go near them. And I feel like this is supposed to be what I'm doing. So please give me a sign. And I said, amen. And 30 seconds later, my phone rings in my office. And it's a publicist that says, Hi, Del, this is Donna Schuman. She was sort of an alt health. She knew I would do stories like a Dr. Stu. So she would reach out and say, would you cover this story? And she said, do you know who Dr. Andrew Wakefield is? I was like, yeah. I mean, that's the doctor in England that first made this connection of vaccines and autism. And she said, would you like to meet him? And I mean, I had just said, I need a sign and to have like the biggest name in this vaccine conversation, 30 seconds. I was like, yeah, I want to meet him. Where can I meet him? She's like, he's going to be in the Hollywood Hills at this party, but you have to tell me you'll definitely be there because I'm so small, I'm going to kick someone out in order to bring you. And I said, Dawn, if you knew when you called me, you would know I would skip a family wedding and meet this guy, I'm supposed to meet him. So just to finish it up, I go to this Hollywood party where it's all about him. He seems to have a fan group of about 40, 50 people. I immediately grab his attention because I want to talk to him. I said, hey, I'm a producer on The Doctors television show. What is your deal? Like, I mean, you've been attacked. It doesn't make sense to me. And Stu, I don't know if you've met Andy or had a chance to act. Yeah, it takes about 60 seconds to realize everything you've heard about this man cannot possibly be true. He just is immediately so intelligent and so articulate. And you can feel his passion and his empathy. And I just like, oh, my God, you're not the fraud. Whatever's happened to this guy is the fraud. And so I didn't know what I was doing there. He's like, we got to stop this law, SB 277, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah. And then someone comes over, interrupts us after 30 minutes and says, hey, Andy, you got to do your pitch. He's like, oh, sorry, Del, I got to do this pitch. And he steps up on this little box in the backyard, talks about SB 277. We got to stop it. This is my life's work now. Vaccines are not as safe as you think. And he says, what I'm doing about it is I, for the last year and a half, have been working on a documentary about a whistleblower at the CDC named Dr. William Thompson. And I mean, I two days ago had said a prayer. I want to tell that story. And if there's proof of God or merely, for me, that moment just was off the charts. I felt like the clouds parted. There's a beam of sunshine on me and only me in that backyard. And I remember thinking, you know, Del, those people that come up to you and said they talked to their psychic and you're the person that they're going to work with. I'm going to work with you, Del. My psychic told me or my tarot cards or I had a dream. And you're just like, crazy, you know, get away from this person. I just thought, don't be that guy. Like, we're not going to talk about a prayer. We're not talk about any of that. Just be, this is a scientist. And so I started a relationship with him. What do you need? Where's the film at? And within four days, he said, fly down and take a look at it at my house. And I ended up spending a year. He thought I was finished. I spent a year restructuring that film into what Vaxxed became. And I felt like when I saw that film in his basement, my mom's question was answered for me. You know, what are you doing working on a medical talk show? I feel like I was being trained for my destiny. The moment I ran to that film, it just felt like for this, you were born. This is why you're on this planet. And the rest, as they say, is history.

Speaker 2:
[39:34] Well, this is exactly why I asked this question, because that was so titillating and getting to know you in a way that maybe a lot of people haven't heard your origins, Horry, from your birth. Yeah. That's pretty amazing. And, you know, obviously, we want to talk about the actual specifics and the content, but one of the things that I really feel passionate about is how people make the decisions to make an impact. Because I think a lot of people also that listen to our podcast, some of them are moms and families who want information about choices and decisions. But there's a lot of people who are looking outside of the system and are really challenged because the path to become the kind of doctor that could make a difference or the kind of midwife who could make a difference inside of the structure that is happening right now is not that. So it's like you created this path, obviously, through this divine intervention that you're talking about. And I know that my path was divinely intervened upon. And I know Stu was too, you know, and it takes courage to follow that sometimes when we're going outside of the norm.

Speaker 3:
[40:50] So I would, I would just make a slight adjustment to how you described at least from my perspective, which is I don't think I created a path. The only effort needed was for me to agree and say yes. A path was laid out in front of me that was so suddenly vivid. I mean, it really was instantaneous. The moment I watched this documentary that Andy felt he was finished with. And I'm like, I don't think seven people are going to watch this film. It's too complicated. He doesn't know how to make science entertainment. And ironically, I just spent 10,000 hours over the last six years doing exactly that. I realized I'm not only qualified to do this job, I think I'm the single most qualified human being in the world for this very specific task, which I have felt every door that opens, every question I've had, every roadblock I run into, I've recognized is just me overthinking something getting off that path that has already been laid out for me. I'm off the path. Let me sit, let me get quiet, and let me remind myself God's doing this, not me. Where did I get off? What do I need to do? And a door swings right open. It's been the experience for me of, I guess you could call it in a new agey type of way, manifestation, manifesting exactly the answer to the question. When I get clear on the question, it becomes immediate. So I think we look at a life like mine. I think that I've read books about people like me. I read The Secret and Holding Your Thought, and your idea in that book just pissed me off. I was like, I've tried all of that, none of that works. But in my experience, it's because I think we're told, hold the thought, make the vision board, hold that, hold that. And I think life is what's happening while you're making plans. Sure, make a plan. It gets you up in the morning, but you better be ready. If you're really going to find that path that's been laid out specifically for you, you're going to have to get humble and recognize that it's not going to be exactly how you planned it. And things aren't going to go exactly your way all the time. In fact, you should love that because those are the clarity moments where you're like, oh, wait, wait, wait, I'm off. I'm off. I'm off the map here. I do think what we don't do is we don't say yes. And I think it comes from an intuitive place. I think Stu, when we talked about his journey, I think this is smarter than this. And I think that this gets in the way. And we are taught to override that instinct, that heartfelt feeling. Don't be stupid. You know, use your brain. And most people then get into an analytical place when they feel like what they're supposed to do, they start running the paperwork. Well, how does that look on papers? And how does that play out? And how would that end? And will I make enough money? And will I support my family? And if you do that, you know, if you do that, then you will talk yourself out of every great decision that your life is supposed to be making with you. Because I can guarantee you sitting down in front of Vax and saying, we're going to take on the most powerful lobby in the world. They own every television set. They own almost every political official. This is the third rail topic of all third rails. The idea that we would ever get to a place where people could even talk about it, let alone where we are now with Robert Kennedy Jr. as HHS secretary, if I'd have looked at it on paper, and I have, and it's horrifying, and you would never move forward. Instead, I think really that path requires faith, and that's what I think is important.

Speaker 1:
[44:49] Most of our colleagues in your industry or my industry, either by choice or by ignorance, never be able to break free from the kind of assembly line that they're on. I mean, if you hadn't been the person you had, it would have been very hard for you to leave a high-paying, high-profile job at The Doctors, the major network, a very successful show, to take a risk, to do something different. I was sort of forced out of hospital-based medicine, as we talked about on your show, but it was the best thing that ever happened to me. But I also had that thing that made me say, well, I'm okay with that. I'll just go from here and find a better path. I'll find the path that's laid out for me, like you said, very eloquently. Because most people are not going to let go, as you said. They're trapped financially. Or as Blyss even said, in our profession, we don't want to get arrested. We don't want to go to jail. We just put our head down and act like ostriches and pretend that there's no predators around us and everything is going to be just fine. If we just don't see it, it's not there. And go about our business. And before you came on today, I read a little thing about what ACOG and the American Academy of Pediatrics are still promoting to this very day that we're speaking. The COVID vaccine, the flu vaccine, the DTaP vaccine, the hepatitis vaccine to pregnant women and newborn babies. And despite the HHS attempt to change things, they even got a judge now to put that on hold. And they tried to revise the ACIP panel and got a judge to put that on hold. And so you're right, the pharmaceutical companies are running pretty much everything. I mean, they run the medical schools. They control the journals where medical information is published. And yet the majority of people are more sheep than shepherd, Del. They aren't going to do what you did. And then you went on and created all these other organizations. And you and your ICAN organization and Aaron Seary, who is just a, you know, if you want to say a few words about Aaron, I don't know if a lot of our listeners know who Aaron is, but he's a remarkably human being to take on what he's done. You want to just say anything about...

Speaker 3:
[47:02] Well, I would say, look, it's another miracle story, right? Everywhere along the way, I'd been on tour with Vax, which was amazing. I mean, Vax, we made that film and we got kicked out of Tribeca Film Festival, which was a horrifying moment, lasted about five minutes. Then I thought, wow, I don't know anyone that's ever been kicked out of Tribeca Film Festival. That's historic. Like we're making history. And I just changed my mind on it. And it ended up being an international tidal wave of bad press, which was the greatest thing that could have ever happened. Everyone in the world suddenly knew what Vaxxed was. And we're curious as hell why it was under attack, calling us baby killers and everything. So anyway, miracle. And so I was traveling to nothing but sold out audiences. It was like Passion of the Christ, right? People were just lined up because of the controversy down the block everywhere we went. So after a year, I reached out to one of the major donors that was just funding our tour and everything we were doing. Great person. And I said, we're going to be in the Hamptons. Why don't you swing out and let's just say hi. And so connected with this person at a screening. And she said to me, you know, Del, it's amazing what you're doing. You've been on this tour for a year. I love that you're flying around and speaking to all these politicians now. You're getting into the legislative space. But we need to get in the courtrooms. We have got to find a lawyer that can start suing on these issues. Because if we don't win in court, we won't really change anything. You know, and I said, well, you know, I've been looking for a lawyer. You know that I had met Danny Sheehan, who's one of the big, you know, Karen Silkwood's attorney for the whole nuclear thing and the famous, famous attorney. He was fascinated, but he said he can't sue. The liability protection on vaccines means you can't sue. I don't know how to help you. I talked to Ralph Nader's team. They were fascinated by it. It was a consumer advocacy issue, but you can't sue. So I was like, I'm running into roadblocks here. She's like, well, we got to figure out a way around it. I said, you know what? If that's what you want me to do, because obviously it was funding all the work that we're doing, I'm going to find a lawyer. The next screenings, like maybe 9 p.m. finishes, and I'm out after the Q&A, talking to a line of people, and this guy comes up and he's like, look, can we go out to dinner or breakfast or something? How long are you in town for? I was like, why? He's like, well, I'm an attorney. I think I have some ideas that might be able to help you out. And honestly, it was just like everyone else that's telling me what I should do better. And I was like, yeah, come by my hotel in the morning. 30 minutes later, his wife comes up and taps me on the shoulder again. She's like, look, I don't think this breakfast is going to happen. I know we just sound like everyone else that's in this line, but you really do need to talk to my husband. And this looks like it's winding down here. Can we take you out to dinner? I went out to dinner. This lawyer is yammering away. It's like Charlie Brown. I'm like, wah, wah, wah. It's like Charlie Brown's teacher. I'm not really hearing it. I'm like, it's been a long day. Whoever this jackass is. And then he says, I won the flu shot case in the preschool issue up in New York City. And I was like, well, hold on a second. You won the mandated flu shot for preschoolers in New York City. He's like, yeah, I just said that. It's like, you're Aaron Seary. And he said, yeah, that's right. I said, you're the lawyer that everyone in California has talked about this New York lawyer. They were trying to get out and to fight SB 277, but you didn't end up doing it. He's like, yeah, I guess. He's like, I was talking to a lot of the people in California that wanted me to fight that case. I was like, you know what, Aaron, I'm really sorry. I haven't been paying attention. Can you start over? And so just to show you, miracles aren't always like on the tip of your tongue. And he laid out how he believed there was a way around the liability protection that we weren't going to go after the manufacturers, but we could sue the government of the United States. And it was in that moment, I said, what would that cost to bring those cases? He was like, I don't know, probably three to five million dollars a year. And it was in that moment, I realized, wait, I know a billionaire close to it that's been funding, and she just asked me to find a lawyer. And here we are three hours later, I called that night and said, I think I just found the lawyer. And a week later, we all met. And that was how ICAN really started, was that sponsor wanted to fund the legal cases. And Aaron has been, I think he'll go down as maybe one of the most important and talented constitutional attorneys in the history of America. We have won dozens of cases against the government of the United States, especially our regulatory agencies. We've won again HHS, FDA, NIH. He was right. The way in was going at the government. If we can't go after the manufacturers, let's sue the government for what they're hiding and demand transparency from what they're covering up. And that's led to a whole space in law no one knew existed. And he is truly spectacular. You can see him online now. He's been speaking in front of state assemblies and things like that. And his book, Vaccines, Amen, is just... If you read that book, you will understand this entire issue.

Speaker 1:
[52:30] Just watching him depose Stanley Plotkin, or that other lady, I don't remember her name. I mean, it's brilliant. It's kind of like a dream. It's kind of like a wet dream of those of us who used to watch the legal shows on television, of being able to get people to basically trap themselves with their own language. It's brilliant. Yet it still doesn't seem, again, and I'm not asking for miracles here because these are miracles. They're just not... But we still haven't seen it penetrate where it needs to penetrate. I mean, I'm still watching lots of sports on TV. We had March Madness. We had hockey. It's about ready to get the playoffs. All kinds of stuff. Every other commercial is a pharmaceutical commercial with a name of a drug that often has an extra Q in it without a U behind it. So they make up names that you can't pronounce that nobody can remember. I don't exactly know why they do that. But you and I both know that this is a way that they keep their power over these networks because 70, 80% of their revenue comes from the pharmaceutical company. And if they suddenly want to run a story like Erin or whatever, or ICAN, what they're doing or something, they're reluctant to do that because they know that their funding will disappear. So we haven't really seen that change yet.

Speaker 3:
[53:46] That is their ace, right? That's the ace that's up their sleeve is they own the television set. If you could take the television set away from them, then you could change the world overnight and they know it. So they're never going to give ground there. It's also, they're the only ones with enough money to own that television set. But I don't think you can look at the fact that they have a serious advantage there as the representation that we aren't making headway. Because I think what you have to look at is the polling on this issue. What you have to look at is how much this conversation has changed. You may get attacked by New York Times or NBC, but in every mommy blog group now where your name is coming up, that conversation is no longer kicked off of that group. Everywhere where moms want to ask questions about vaccines, that conversation is opening up. You're a crazy person. In fact, it's becoming the most common conversation amongst new mothers in this country. I think it would probably also mirror around the world. We see a poll, I think it was two months ago, that 60% of pregnant moms polled said that they were not going to follow the CDC's recommended schedule, that they were going to go with their own instincts and probably skip or move or change the vaccine program. That's up from maybe 10% back when I started this 10 years ago. So we've gone from 10% saying they might adjust it, 3% skipping vaccines, to now 60% say they're going to develop their own vaccine program and start doing an investigation, skip some vaccines, which will probably lead to 25% of them not getting any at all. So those are huge changes. I think Robert Kennedy Jr. taking the position, the HHS secretary was just talking to a reporter from the Atlantic today, is like, do you really think Bobby won the election for Trump? I was like, well, whether he won it for him or not, certainly gave him the mandate. And I think that that's only possible because of the shift in public consciousness around this topic. Now, if you watch the television, Bobby's the worst thing that has ever happened to politics. But if you look at the polls, Stu, he is polling as the highest, most favorite politician in all of America. Did you know that? I did not. Yeah, across the board, he carries the highest rating. I think he's above water. He's somewhere in the 55 to 60% approval ratings. And so those are things that we should be looking at. But if we're going to keep looking to the television to lead us or the television to explain what world we're actually living in, we will be delusioned until the end of time.

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Speaker 3:
[59:12] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[59:12] Which I want to spend the remaining time that we have on the documentary. And your documentary happens to open with a pharmaceutical commercial.

Speaker 3:
[59:22] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[59:22] Tell us, tell us.

Speaker 3:
[59:23] So we're talking about, we're not talking about Vax, we're talking about an inconvenient study. It's the documentary that's out right now.

Speaker 2:
[59:29] So you know, Del, over the years, not only Vax, but we did talk about Vax too as well. And so it's great to talk to you about your new documentary in person.

Speaker 3:
[59:38] Yeah. Yeah. So I think this is the most important documentary I've ever made. I think it's the most powerful tool in all the 10 years of media that we've created. We've never, I think, achieved something that's as effective as this film is. It's already over 100 million views worldwide. It is causing debates inside of parliaments around the world. Australia has debated this study. And I think we may not see another moment like this, where you press. I mean, essentially, I was introduced to the head of Infectious Disease at Henry Ford Health. While I was on tour with Vax, someone that knew him, good friend. Basically, I don't know, Black mailed him to have dinner with me, I don't know. But he showed up for dinner, nice guy, Dr. Mark Zervos. It was a wild way it started the conversation, because he said, you know, I watched your film, Vax. It's very compelling. But you keep saying something on these YouTube videos you're putting out that I found very disturbing. You keep saying they've never done the proper safety science to establish that vaccines are safe. He said, I obviously, I'm at Henry Ford Health. This is what I do. I sit on the biggest databases in the world. So I went and went to the databases to bring you the evidence that you say does not exist. And he said, and I am shocked that I have to sit across this table from you and tell you you're right. He's like, I had no idea they never did any placebo-based trials establishing any of these vaccines. And he said, now that does-

Speaker 1:
[61:09] And this is the head of infectious disease.

Speaker 3:
[61:10] Head of infectious disease.

Speaker 1:
[61:12] Had no idea.

Speaker 3:
[61:14] No idea. Right? And this is why we're in this problem. And you know it, Stu, you're told in school all this stuff. And you just assume, it's in my textbook, must be true, safe and effective. It's been proven. No, not at all.

Speaker 2:
[61:28] It's settled.

Speaker 3:
[61:29] Yes, science is settled.

Speaker 2:
[61:30] No.

Speaker 3:
[61:30] And you said, now that doesn't mean, Del, that vaccines aren't safe. It just means we can't scientifically say that they're safe. I said, and yet you do on every news channel 24 hours a day. It's in sitcoms. And God forbid someone like me says, you've never done proper safety science. That's said to be misinformation, which now you know is not misinformation. It's true. He's like, look, Del, I didn't come here. I'm pro-vaccine, Del. I didn't come here to like really have a debate about it. I was like, I said, that's okay. Let me ask you something. You believe in the vaccine program? I said, yes. I said, then why don't we put an end to this? Why don't we put, this is a civil war that's now breaking out. My film's a part of it. I've caused this. Would you ever consider doing a study that compares the health outcomes of vaccinated children with completely unvaccinated children? And he said, yeah, yeah, I would do that study. And I said, now, if I'm right, that study will be really damaging, I believe, to your career. So I'm just going to warn you. He said, Del, I'm a scientist. I follow the data where it leads and I'm about to retire. I'm not worried about that. And I was like, great. I spent four years hounding him on it. That was 2016. He did the study in 2020. And I only had one request, like, whatever you find, publish it. He said, yeah, definitely, I'll publish it. And then he finished the study and was refusing to publish it. And I called him and said, Dr. Zervos, you promised that you would publish it no matter what you found. What did you find? He said, Del, when I agreed to do this study, I did not realize that I would be agreeing to ending the childhood vaccine program, which I don't want to be a part of. I said, this study is so bad, you think it could end the vaccine program? He said, it's that bad. So I kept trying to think of an angle to get him to finally publish it. Ultimately, if you've seen the movie, it was like 2022. I said, I'm going to be in Detroit again, let's get some dinner and talk about it. So we got dinner and I brought hidden cameras and recording equipment. I think it's what makes the film so incredibly powerful. Because there's like 20 or 30 minutes of this conversation in there, and you really see fear. You get an understanding as Stu, only guys like you know the threats that are upon a scientist or a doctor that dares to question the established ideology or mythology or whatever. It's certainly not science. It's not as we've proven now, no safety studies. So this isn't science. This is a dreamy pile of assumptions. And so the movie is devastating.

Speaker 2:
[64:09] How are you able to put that footage in, by the way? Don't you have to have permission to record somebody?

Speaker 3:
[64:16] No, actually. Before I did it, as a journal, and by the way, it's not my style of journalism. It's the only time I will ever probably record somebody, just because it was so important, I thought. But you have to look up in your state, whether you're a one-party state or a two-party state. There are some states where only one party, meaning one of us needs to know that we're recording this conversation, and then there are states where we both, two parties have to know.

Speaker 1:
[64:40] California is a two-party state.

Speaker 3:
[64:43] Michigan is a one-party state, and so, no, there's nothing they can legally do. They did bring a cease and desist. I got a letter from Henry Ford Health, and they threatened a lawsuit of defamation against Henry Ford, that I was defaming Henry Ford Health. So it was a pretty big threat. I mean, that's hundreds of millions of dollars of threats. And so what it was saying was, I was undermining their credibility, and their credibility is what makes them who they are, and because they do these studies, that they are known for... They ran the Moderna trials for the Moderna vaccine, and Dr. Zervos was the head of that trial. And so they said, your film is basically saying that we didn't publish this study because we didn't like the results, which means that we sort of farm out for specific results. We don't get what we want, and we're not honest about it. That undermines faith in us. And so I had to get really careful and I'll say it now. It's my opinion that they did not publish the study because the results. But that opinion is not just my opinion out of nowhere or thin air. It's my opinion because it's exactly what Dr. Zervos said when I had the opportunity.

Speaker 1:
[65:54] Let me quote him here. Dr. Zervos said, it's the right thing to do to publish the article, but I just don't want to. He said, publishing something like that, I might as well retire, I'd be finished. Then later in the documentary, you ask him again, he says, I'm not a good person.

Speaker 2:
[66:14] I think what happened right there that I thought was so, it showed so much about you, Dal, is that you talked about like, I've taken these risks, I've done these things because I believe that we need to be protecting the children. I think that was a moment where he could have had an opportunity to make a choice in that way. And he had to say, I'm just not a good person. Just, I'm not gonna do it.

Speaker 3:
[66:38] Yeah, it's a sad, it's a sad statement that he, I mean, when he makes that, it's devastating. It is. It's devastating for him to have to say a guy that I know has done the work he's done in his career to try and do good in the world. But in this point, I'm not a good person. He even says, I'm not Dr. McCullough. I don't want to be dragged through the muddy mud. I don't want to be that guy. I can't do it. And you know what's interesting?

Speaker 1:
[67:01] So, before you go on, knowing all that, why did he bother sharing the study with you in the first place?

Speaker 2:
[67:10] Because you have it in the documentary.

Speaker 3:
[67:12] He hands it to me there, right? He hands it to me past that dude.

Speaker 1:
[67:15] Why would he do that if he's not gonna share it?

Speaker 3:
[67:18] One of the things that we didn't get deep into.

Speaker 1:
[67:20] Did he really want it out there? He wanted it published.

Speaker 3:
[67:22] He just didn't want his name on it. He said, find another doctor, find another scientist, have someone else put this out. The world, he was saying, I do believe the world needs to see this. I'm just not, it can't be me. It's not gonna be me. And so how am I gonna take, I was like, and I would say, there's a bunch of conversations like this that were in the footage that just were extraneous and not necessary, but like, what am I gonna do with it? How am I gonna take data that's not mine and get someone else to put their name on it? It just didn't make sense. But I do believe he wanted the information out there.

Speaker 1:
[67:56] Yeah, he had to.

Speaker 3:
[67:58] Yeah, he just didn't want it. And so part of me hopes that this movie gave him the cover that he needs and got this important work out to the world. At least he can say to Henry Ford Health, you can't blame me. I mean, I did a study I would assume we all would think would show that the vaccinated are the healthiest among us because why are we doing this if that's not true? So why would I think I shouldn't do this study? Then when I did this study and I put cox proportional hazards and I did everything I could to chisel away at this horrific reading for the are vaccinated kids, when I couldn't change it enough, I buried the thing. I didn't put it out there. How do I know this a-hole is going to show up with cameras and record me at a dinner? Like that's not my fault. This is, I'm imagining, obviously I'm a Hollywood guy. That's what I'm assuming he's saying. Like, how is this my fault? Deep down, hopefully feeling like, but I'm sure glad the world now knows because someone's got to do something about this.

Speaker 1:
[69:05] Do you know if his career has been affected by this?

Speaker 3:
[69:08] I don't know that he's been fired. I think it would be hard for them to fire him now because that's the claim he makes, they're going to fire me. And their threat against me is, you say that we would fire him over this. I was like, good, I'm glad to hear you're not going to.

Speaker 1:
[69:22] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[69:23] I have talked to a reporter that would be on their side that said they were not even allowed to talk to him. They said, we want to write a piece about his perspective and why this study wasn't a good study. And they're like, he's not allowed to talk to the press. So he's on lockdown.

Speaker 2:
[69:40] Yeah. So for those who had not seen the film, could you just go a little into the data, I mean, of what was discovered through this study? And it was a retrospective study, right?

Speaker 3:
[69:53] Correct. So yeah.

Speaker 2:
[69:55] You guys do a really good job in the film talking about what is actually the gold standard, which is the double-blinded placebo study. And this was retrospective and the problem, but the reasons why that was the only kind of study that was available for you to be able to do at this time. But what did this study show?

Speaker 1:
[70:12] Yeah, just to lay the groundwork, the title of the study is called Impact of Childhood Vaccination on Short and Long-Term Chronic Health Outcomes in Children, a Birth Cohort Study. And they've looked at their own database and they had 18,463 children, of which 16,506 were vaccinated and 1,957 were unvaccinated. So you take it from there. But I just want people to know. And we'll put the link in the show notes to the paper.

Speaker 3:
[70:41] Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, you can watch the film for free. You can read the study for free. It's at that site. And you can read the entire letter from Henry Ford Health and why they've said this study isn't good. So we're being transparent about all of it. The study looks at those kids. It's a very well-powered study. Some people will ask, why is there only 2,000 unvaccinated kids compared to 16,000 kids? But look at the vaccine rate in America. Actually, that's a little bit higher than you might expect. If you're going to take a cut of America's children, you know that there's going to be a smaller group of unvaccinated that just never touched the vaccine. So it actually is a very good representation of America. And remember, you're not saying that where there's a problem in this small group, if there's a problem in the large group, they're equal. What you're doing is looking at the ratios. Inside of that 2,000, what are the percentage that have autoimmune disease? Inside that 2,000, what are the percentage that have neurodevelopment disorders? Inside the 16,000, what is the percentage? So it's just comparing percentages, which is the way this study is, you know, you cannot refute. It's a good study. It's how it had to be done. And so when they do those comparisons, percentage-wise, the vaccinated, the conclusion of the study in Zervos' own words basically says, this study was done to promote confidence in vaccines, but eventually the outcome was not what we had expected. And in the conclusion, it says that you were 2.5 times more likely to have chronic disease, which is what the investigation was, if you've been vaccinated. And that was whether you got one vaccine or 20, just if you start on this vaccine program, you're increasing your risk of developing a chronic disease by 2.5 times, which is huge. So then if you break it down to the categories, you were 6 times more likely to have a neurodevelopmental disorder as a child if you were vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated. You were 6 times more likely to have autoimmune disease if you were vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated. And then there was crazy things where they couldn't get a rate or a percentage because there was zero cases in the unvaccinated group, which meant a ratio couldn't be given. They just put a line through it. But there's all these issues where there were hundreds in the vaccine group that had that issue. I forget, you know, the speech delay, but really bad issues. But because there was zero, it basically acts like it wasn't a problem. It wasn't that it wasn't a problem. But the way science works, you can't do any math if you don't have at least one person, I think 80, was it 80D, 80HC, anyway. I forget the exact categories where those things happen. But I think the most powerful part of the study is they look over a 10-year period. They sort of game out, given what we're seeing in the trends in these two groups, what is the likelihood that you will have a chronic disease by the time you're 10 years old? And that ultimately showed that 57% of vaccinated children will have a chronic disease by the time they're 10, and only 17% in the unvaccinated. That is just for people. And remember, this isn't like an increase. I mean, a big increase in a problem in medicine would be a 60% increase, right? That'd be bad. We're talking like 500% and 600% increased risks of these issues. It's absolutely off the charts and coincides, as we show in the film, with virtually every other study like it. In fact, and I say in the film, this one study only can say that there's a red flag we should be looking at, but it doesn't prove this is an issue but the fact that it now stands amongst, you know, I think nearly now I know it's about a dozen studies like it that are all finding very similar results. And what is so shocking is there is not a study anywhere in the world comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated that shows that the vaccinated are healthier. That should be the headline of all headlines. How is it that study hasn't been done? Because we all would assume if this product makes us healthier, that'd be the easiest study in the world to do. Why is it only we're only getting the opposite results? And so I think that that's why guys like Dr. Peter Gutcha, who founded Cochrane Collaboration, started weighing in on this study. He said, look, I've looked at Henry Ford's complaint, and there are complaints about a retrospective study, but these numbers are just way too big to ignore. You can't explain them away with the little problems that Henry Ford is complaining about. These numbers are too big. This study should be recreated by every nation in the world right now. Immediately.

Speaker 1:
[75:58] These studies, Del, they've probably been done, and they've probably been completely suppressed. Because they have to be. I mean, I can't believe that somewhere in the world, some health organization, the World Health Organization, the CDC, European health organizations haven't looked at this, found what they didn't want to find, and then just said, well, we're not talking about that. We're not bringing that up. They have to, because as you know, every study that's published, and we had Paul Thomas on. Paul is a good friend of ours. He's a friend of yours. And even though his study was just out of his own practice, there was a very large cohort. It was over 10,000 kids. And almost 2,000 were unvaccinated in his study as well. And he found exactly the same numbers.

Speaker 3:
[76:39] You can almost lay them over each other, which is, as you know, that is the strongest science there is in the world. Because now what you're seeing is something that all of science is complaining about. All these medical journals are saying 50% of these studies, you can't reproduce those results, which means it's baloney. It was obviously funded by Pharma, or we were corrupted as a paper. But what we're seeing in these Vax-Unvax, it is reproducible over and over and over again. No matter who does this study, you can almost lay the results on top of each other and see very similar results. The Mawson study out of Mississippi saw almost identical neurodevelopmental disorders, about 5.7 times the rate. This one, six times the rate. I mean, those are really close. But what makes this one so amazing is Paul Thomas is already not vaccinated, he's in his practice. So you could argue he had a bias when he did that study. You know, Brian Hooker has done these studies. Brian Hooker has an autistic child, he believes, vaccine. So those studies get undercut. And I'm not saying they're manipulating the study, but that's been the argument. That's why when Dr. Zervos says, I'm pro-vaccine, and Henry Ford is the most dedicated to vaccinating, when they do a study, this study, you have to assume it was done by the pro-vaccine side. It's set out to show that we were crazy and we were wrong. That, my friends, is the scientific method. The thing I'm the most proud of is, I didn't go to someone that agreed with me. I went to a group that wanted to challenge me and Robert Kennedy Jr. We had no control over this study. We said, prove us wrong. We believe there's an issue. Show us we're wrong. Instead of being able to do that, they provide the most damning evidence of the vaccine program that has ever been recorded in the most powerful study you could ever imagine. Sure, they're not publishing it. People say, well, it never got published. You should ask yourself why they never tried, and why did they not say, oh, this is an important study. We have problems with it. Let's fix those problems and then put out a better version of the study. Instead, it's like Raiders of the Lost Ark. They find the ark, they go deep into it, and they hide that thing away as far as they can. Unfortunately, I went in with hidden cameras and got their head scientists admitting this is a really important study. And one other step that made this possible, I wasn't able to publish it. I didn't, you know, I don't have a copyright issue. Also, I didn't want anyone to believe I had anything to do with the study, because I didn't make it. It wasn't funded by ICAN. It wasn't our study protocol. But Senator Ron Johnson got this study in his hands from Aaron Seary, handed it to him last summer. And Ron said, the world has to see this. This is insane. And we thought there was a copyright issue. He said, not for a sitting senator. I can publish this on the Senate website as an act of the public good, and I'm going to do that. And that was the moment we were triggered and said, this will now be public information. Now I legally can make a documentary about it and show people how this study happened, who these people are, and what is really going on here.

Speaker 1:
[80:08] And did Senator Johnson do that?

Speaker 3:
[80:10] He did that. It's still on the Senate website. He's so amazing. It was on the website and he had a hearing about this and other studies. And the hearing was about, why is it scientists can't do studies like this without being attacked? And so it was a very important hearing. And we set out to have a documentary ready for the hearing within about two months. I didn't think we could make a documentary of any value that fast. But as you pointed out at the top of this piece, I have one of the best executive producers in the world. We had an amazing director and a young guy that we had worked with at The Doctors also together that directed it and it came together beautifully. And frankly, within two and a half months, the film was out and we won the Malibu Film Festival, which was amazing. And I wouldn't change a single thing in that film again. It felt like the hand of God stepped in because normally I would have spent a year on that film. It would have probably been more dense, had more information. I would have tried to tell every story. But because we had such little amount of time, it's actually what makes the film so brilliant. We just had to be efficient with the story we were going to tell. So when we found ourselves trying to explain what happened during COVID, because Zervos was kind of in the middle of that, I just realized we don't have enough time to tell that story. We're never going to have all the B-roll and the audio, and we will get buried. So cut it. We're not going to explain that. We're just going to stick to placebo studies. Haven't been done. Here's the health issues of the kids. Here's what this study tells us. It's 75 minutes long. And our phone rings off the hook. Our emails are blowing up all the time, people saying, I have a relative, I have someone I love, care about, that would not listen to this issue on vaccines. I did get them to watch An Inconvenient Study, and now they get it. I get that every day. Hundreds of those stories are pouring in from around the world. That's why I say I think this tool is like nothing we've ever had. And I think a lot of people will say, oh, I already understand that issue. I don't need to see that film. This is that thing you've wanted to be able to hand, those people that aren't listening to you, you really want to help them wake up. We even, when you go to the website, inconvenientstudy.com, you can watch it there. We have like a deck of business cards that you can buy that has a QR code and a link. And what I say to people is you can start changing the world, walk up to that pregnant mom in a grocery store. You want to say something you don't know what to say, just say, hey, I'm not sure if you've looked into the vaccine issue or not, but I thought this film was very, very compelling. You may want to take a look at it. It might spark a conversation, it might not. They'll always take the card. They'll say thank you. If you start doing that, that is what Stu continues to build this movement and this population, that I think will one day be the norm. I think that it's so clear. The genie is out of the bottle. There's too many scientists and doctors like yourself. There's too many Peter McCullers and Pierre Corys and Dr. Robert Malone who invented mRNA vaccines, Brett Weinstein. Every day, another brilliant person finally decides to do their investigation, just like you did and you're shocked, like Zervos did, to find that I've been lied to. We've never established safety here. I think the study shows you that this chronic disease epidemic that is crushing our children in America, I think they're saying nearly 75% of kids would not be able to pass the health physical test to join our military. That's how sick they are. People will say, well, how do you know it's not fluoride in our water or pesticides on our crops or plastics? And, you know, I think all of those things are playing in. What I think this study shows us when you just peel out one of those issues, vaccinations, it accounts for almost the exact number we're looking at. We're saying about 54% of children have a chronic disease. This study shows that 57% of the vaccinated will have a chronic disease by the time they're 10. I think that's pretty damn compelling, probably exacerbated by the amount of toxins in the umbilical cord when they're born. I think vaccines is all it is, is just pushing kids over the top, creating an unstoppable inflammatory event in the brain. If you're talking about autism, or maybe even things like ADED, ADHD, that might just be a light brain injury from a brain swelling event. And every vaccine in its warning says, can cause encephalopathy.

Speaker 1:
[84:53] So nobody, Del, nobody who reads a package insert or anybody who really watches a commercial for a drug on television, if you actually listen to what they're actually saying, would ever put one of those things in their body ever. Yet, because it's recommended by supposedly once trusted agency, it's like the American Medical Association and over there, the people have learned again, they're unlearning it. But for my generation growing up, my parents, they trusted, they weren't like your parents.

Speaker 3:
[85:21] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[85:22] They trusted it. Fortunately, when I was a kid, there were only like two vaccines or three vaccines. But it's amazing to me still that the level of trust in these organizations, like the American Academy of Pediatrics, is still as high as it is. But again, as you said, miracles don't necessarily happen overnight. They take some time. There are changes. It's going to be generational, but it is growing.

Speaker 3:
[85:47] Which is all, look, in any war, that's all that you can hope for is that you're gaining ground, that you're moving that border in a positive direction for it. And that's what we're doing. We are in the offensive position right now. American Academy of Pediatrics, this lawsuit they brought against Robert Kennedy Jr. and HHS, it's a horrific decision by this judge. I think if they fought it, you would find that the American Academy of Pediatrics doesn't have standing. This case shouldn't even gone forward. Yet you can only bring a case if you're going to be injured. They don't get to represent what they say are injuries to children. The children need to be the plaintiff. So the American Academy of Pediatrics being the plaintiff doesn't make sense. They shut down Bobby's Moving America to the Denmark schedule, which is moving from about 54 shots down to about 26 shots. And remember, he didn't take those other shots off the market. He didn't make them illegal. All he said is, these, I want to just be a decision between you and your doctor. And think about it, Stu, what's amazing about it is American Academy of Pediatrics. It's a trade organization funded by Pharma, let's be honest, gets its funding from Pharma. But it's supposed to be representing pediatricians. And they sued because they don't want Robert Kennedy Jr. putting the power in the hands of the pediatrician. Saying, we want you to have the power to have this conversation and make the decision with your patients. We want a bureaucracy in Washington, DC, making that decision and forcing our pediatricians to do it. That is our stance and that is what we believe in. So what they're essentially saying is, we don't trust pediatricians. We don't believe they can have these conversations. We don't want them to have a power to have a conversation that's between them. We don't want a doctor-patient relationship. We want a bureaucrat somewhere in Washington, DC decided by this judge who knows nothing about health. He gets to make a bigger decision because Robert Kennedy Jr. is not allowed to pick his ACIP committee. The whole thing shows you how corrupt this place Robert Kennedy Jr. is in, and how corrupt the American Academy of Pediatrics is. It doesn't trust its doctors, it's not representing pediatricians. It's essentially saying, our pediatricians are uneducated, they're undereducated for this task. That, I would say, they're right about. You know that, Stu, they are right about that. As has been said in some big WHO meetings that I've reported on and shown videos, that Heidi Larson is the head of psychology for WHO, she said in this giant meeting, look, doctors aren't equipped to have this conversation about vaccines because they don't know anything about it. Remember, you're lucky. This is what she says, you're lucky if you're a doctor and a nurse. In our education system, you're lucky if you get a half a day education on vaccines. That's it. That's what she said. Not me, the WHO and the whole place goes, yeah. So we're sending pediatricians out into the world, where all they do is two things as far as I'm concerned. They vaccinate and they weigh your baby. You can weigh your baby, so you're assuming they're really well-trained on vaccinations, and WHO and everyone will admit to you, it was a half a day education, went really quickly, went like this. Here's the vaccines, they're safe and effective. The science has been done, don't question it. There might be some swelling in the arm, that's the only issue. If someone challenges you, kick them out of practice. I think we covered it, half a day is over, all right, take the rest of the day off, that's all you need to know.

Speaker 1:
[89:19] Yeah, and Owen, by the way, if you give enough vaccines, we'll give you a bonus too.

Speaker 3:
[89:22] Yeah, and this is where your money is going to come from. It's really sad and I know I'm being hard on pediatricians. I wasn't at first, I wasn't when Vax first came out, but we've been at this 10 years, we all went through COVID. We know now that the scientific bodies will lie to us. We know that the Tony Fauci's will say that, you can't question me because I am the science, and then admit in Congress, we made up the social distancing laws, we never had proof that masks worked, and you realize that all of this is a house of cards. At this point, if you're a pediatrician and you're still recommending a COVID vaccine or a hepatitis B vaccine that we now know, and the world knows if you have a brain in your head, only got a four or five-day safety review, trial period with no placebo, has staggering amounts of aluminum.

Speaker 1:
[90:15] 147 subjects in it.

Speaker 3:
[90:18] Yeah, 147 total kids in that study. If you're still recommending that, then you are dangerous to humanity. And people call me, I just got fired by my pediatrician. I was like, go out and celebrate. It's the greatest day of your life. Your kids are going to thank you in the future.

Speaker 2:
[90:39] You know, Del, your passion and optimism comes through in that last bit of you talking. And all I feel, and I told you guys that this would happen from the beginning, all I feel when I see all this evidence and all this corruption and all this power and the needle moving so slowly is sadness and frustration. And obviously, like Stu said, you've been doing this podcast for 10 years. A lot of what we talk about has to do with birth, but vaccines, it's just part of the conversation because it's such a big deal, what's happening. And as a mom, you know, I was like your mom probably where I just used my own common sense to make that decision. It was not scientific at all. And I was in California when all of the legislation was passed by Senator Pan, which was very discouraging. People are forced to homeschool their children or move out of California in order to be able to make an autonomous decision. And I think a lot of our listeners who are listening to this conversation and who see this information are happy that it's coming out, but at the same time feel kind of discouraged that is it actually going to make a difference? And one of the questions that I wanted to bring to you, and I think this is such a perfect time to talk about is, how do you keep going? How do you stay optimistic about this? How can we actually feel confident that the cards are going to crumble, as you said, start to fall?

Speaker 3:
[92:17] One of the things that, you know, when I show an Inconvenient Study, I'm traveling the world right now. I'm going to be in Italy, wants to see it in Spain and France and Poland and Australia. It's really amazing, the type of traction is getting. But I'll say to the audience at the end of the film, raise your hand if you think Dr. Mark Zervos is evil. And it's usually three quarters of the room. They're like, yeah, he's evil. He has a study that could save people's lives, and he is making a decision that's going to put them in harm's way. And I said, okay, raise your hand if at any time during COVID, you were at a Thanksgiving meal or with family, and you wanted to really talk to that loved one about the danger of the vaccine, but you just didn't want to ruin that dinner or mess up your relationship. And I was like, are you evil? Because I did that too. We've all done it, right? All Zervos is a person that's trying to protect the relationship he has and how he's seen in the world. We're all doing that. And if we all keep doing that, then we are the accomplices in this crime, and it is a crime. So if you're sitting there wondering if Del Bigtree is going to be successful enough with this film, if you're sitting there and wondering why Robert Kennedy Jr. just can't get rid of the COVID vaccine, sure, waiting. And I'm sitting here, time's ticking, but you never talk about this with anyone you know. And we aren't going to win this. I can guarantee it'll be on. We're not going to get there. And I want to tell a story about it's really all in that moment with Vaxed. I had just sat in Andy Wakefield's basement. I had just watched a film. I felt like I had run smack into my destiny. And the first person I called was my wife to say, I'm going to walk away from my TV. This will be the end of my TV career. I am about to give the most devastating blow to pharma they've ever had. Guarantee, I will not be allowed to produce television again. But I feel like I'm supposed to do it. My wife is like, I said, you know, I support you. Del will find a way through it. We'll make it work. My second call was my dad who told me, go and make the world a better place. Celebrate us. And I thought, oh, this is the moment. I've been waiting to show him what I can do. And I called my dad and explained what was happening. I'm working with Andy Wakefield. I'm going to make this documentary. Everything can be. I think it could change the world. And my dad said, don't do it. I was like, what? He said, Del, I feel like I put you up to this. I think I gave you some idea that you could change the world. But I also told you there are moments where you don't want to be the target. You don't want to be the bullseye on this. This is immovable. Del, you finally have a career. It took you forever to get that career going. This is a career devastating decision. I taught you at times when there's nothing can be done, lay low. Don't be the focus of attention. In the moment he said lay low, like I was on the phone, and it was like time kind of stopped. I really pictured, what am I going to say to my dad? How is he so off base on this? He said, lay low. I imagined myself crouching down in some tall grass. I was suddenly like, I guess, in every Nazi movie I've ever seen where suddenly the Nazis are marching on the dirt road and at the tractors, I could hear the tractor wheels and the side car motorcycle. And they were all going by and I'm in the tall grass laying low. And just as they this is all happening, so trippy, as I expected to hear their footsteps just disappear off in the distance, I've hidden, they didn't see me. I started hearing the leaves and sticks crackling and breaking. And I realized they know I'm here and they're surrounding me. And that is the realization that I had it there and it's never changed for me. And I said, Dad, I do remember you saying, lay low. I also remember you saying, when we were little kids, my dad had been in the military, he would say, if anybody ever grabs you and takes you in their car, started this conversation with me at four years old and then my sister at four. And then we go through the test like, he would say, as soon as someone grabs you, you look for your first opportunity and you kick and you scream and you do everything you can to escape. He's like, did you hear me? Yeah, Dad, I heard you. I repeat it back to me. And I said, well, if I'm ever, someone grabs me and pulls me in a car or tries to take me away, I wait for my best opportunity. And I try, he's like, no, I did not say your best opportunity. I said your first opportunity. You don't wait for a best. It's like in the military, they teach us that the longer they have you, the better they have you. So there will be no best. There's only first. They're more distracted. You've got to hit as soon as you realize they've got you. I said, Dad, this issue that I was raised not vaccinated, they are surrounding us in California. We're surrounded. They know who we are. They know what kids are not getting vaccines or how many they're getting. They know we want freedom. They know we're homeschooling. They're coming after us. And there is nothing more futile than hiding and laying low when they know exactly where you are and they're coming for you. The moment, and I've said it on the phone, the moment you realize that you are surrounded, and there is only one inevitable end which is your death, your end, your world, your life being changed forever. The moment you realize that, you stand up, you look at this circle that's coming around you, you look for the weakest link, you charge that and you fight like hell. We live in that moment right now. We are surrounded by AI, by surveillance, by pharma wanting to own and control our bodies. If you do not control your body, you are not a free citizen. You have the same rights as a farm animal. Right now, your children are being treated like farm animals in five states in the United States of America. My non-profit won back your right to opt out in Mississippi. We just won in West Virginia, but it's under appeal. It's the work that we're doing. But if you're sitting watching this and thinking you can hide it out, that you can just go get that COVID vaccine and everything will be okay, or everything is going to pass by, or COVID is behind us, I'm telling you, what gets me up in the morning is I don't have a choice. It's the easiest decision. What I'm trying to say is it's the easiest decision there is. This fight is on our doorsteps. They're kicking in our door. And if you realize your door is being kicked in, hiding under your bed isn't going to do anything. If you want to protect your kids, you've got to meet this threat right at the door, and you've got to do it right now. You've got to do everything you can to get your neighbors to wake up, that they're attacking our neighborhood, to get your county to wake up. They're attacking your county, to get your city, to get your state, to get this nation to wake up, and then the world to wake up. We are under attack. And if anyone thought I was radical or crazy before COVID, COVID told us, holy shit, Del said this was gonna happen. It's gonna happen again if we are silent. I say this last election, whatever anyone thinks, it wasn't about Robert Kennedy Jr for me, it was about freedom of speech. There was only one party that believed we had a right to free speech. The other party, the one I grew up in, was saying we're gonna end misinformation, which means we're gonna decide what truth is. I happen to know that our government was the one that had been lying to us and spreading the actual misinformation that the vaccine could stop infections, that it could stop transmission, that by getting it, I would protect my neighbors. Lie, lie, lie, and everyone knows it. And to have a lying government say they're gonna decide what is truth and what is lies, that was the end of the United States of America. So I'm a one-issue voter. I vote for my right to free speech and my right to talk about my other rights. And right now we have a stay of execution on our right to free speech, and the very next election could take that away from us. If that's not enough to get you out of this grass and realize you will never recognize the world that we grew up in, it will not be there for our kids. We are not going to not know. I wonder what my kids' lives are gonna be like. We are going to see the end of this journey we're on. We're gonna see whether we live in a prison, whether we are tracked everywhere we go, whether we have control over our own bodies, whether or not we have jobs. All of those things are gonna be decided in the next probably five years. And so, yeah, things are moving a little too slow. So, do something about it.

Speaker 1:
[101:32] There you go, Blyss. You know, Edmund Burke said all that's necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Speaker 3:
[101:38] That's it.

Speaker 1:
[101:39] And you are a good man, Del Bigtree.

Speaker 2:
[101:42] Before we close, I just have to say, Del, thank you for that. I think that it's really, as I started in the beginning, I think it's really important for people to not only get the information, but to also hear us talk about that we have to stand up and we have to be willing to make a difference. And it's hard sometimes, you know, one of the people that you interviewed in the film, he was the Surgeon General in Florida, talked about it's a hostile environment to go against mainstream and some people just don't want to do that. So I think he spoke to that so powerfully. This is not a political podcast. We don't necessarily talk about politics on this podcast. But one of the things that I've said over and over is that I do not believe that politics is going to save us. I believe it's a spiritual revolution that's going to save us. And you've talked about that and your faith and that as well. And I just really needed to kind of interject into this conversation.

Speaker 3:
[102:37] Yes. I don't mean to be political. I'm not political. I am apolitical. I am politically marooned. I don't care if you say free speech matters to you. I don't care what part of you in, then we're agreed. It matters to me too. If you say body autonomy and sovereignty and right to raise my kids as I see fit, I don't care what part you're in, we're agreed. How do I vote for you?

Speaker 2:
[103:00] Exactly. So thank you again so much for that conversation.

Speaker 1:
[103:05] And we will put in the show notes again, how people can reach out to you and the high wire. And also for our listeners, if you're looking for something to support, go to ICAN, the Informed Consent Action Network's website, again, linked in the show notes. They take donations. I bought a brick in the room, which isn't actually there yet. They're working on it. But yeah, at the studio, I've been to the studio now a couple of times. It's a thrill for me to have been down there. So yeah, support ICAN, because obviously not all of us have the ability in our lives to do something with our... Well, we can do it in our local community, in our local family. But to support people like Del and Erin Seery doing their work, there could be nothing more valuable.

Speaker 2:
[103:49] Yeah, great.

Speaker 3:
[103:50] Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[103:50] Okay, so.

Speaker 2:
[103:52] So we're going to continue the conversation over on Patreon. So make sure that you join us over there. Thank you so much again, Del, for being with us. I know our listeners are going to really enjoy this conversation. Make sure that you support our sponsors, and we'll see you next week.

Speaker 1:
[104:07] Oh, bye-bye.

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[104:11] Thanks for listening to the Birthing Instincts podcast.

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Speaker 2:
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