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Speaker 3:
[01:41] Welcome to The Ringer NFL Draft Show.

Speaker 2:
[01:43] My name is Dan Heifetz, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and our NFL insider, Craig Horlbeck. Craig, is that a phone in your hand as we speak, Craig?

Speaker 3:
[01:51] It's great to be here. One second.

Speaker 2:
[01:53] All right, TK, we could just vamp. Yeah, so we're gonna go over-

Speaker 3:
[01:55] Really, really, really? Ty Simpson that high, huh? All right. Get back to me, because last year you were wrong. All right, bye.

Speaker 4:
[02:03] Craig, who was that? Who was that?

Speaker 3:
[02:05] I can't reveal my sources, Daniel.

Speaker 2:
[02:07] Which Rosenhouse brother was on the phone with you?

Speaker 3:
[02:09] It's been a busy week, to say the least. Let's say I've been on the phone all week. And by that, I mean, I've been listening to podcasts on my phone all week. And there's a lot of information that I've gathered that I'm excited to share with you guys today for my first and last mock of the year.

Speaker 2:
[02:26] You're our resident insider, outsider insider here at The Ringer NFL Draft Show. And we're going to go through Craig's Mock 1.0, which I think we did last year, half as a bit. And then it turned out that so there's this contest that you can submit to if you're in the industry, if you submit a mock draft. And it turns out if we had submitted Craig's Mock 1.0 last year, he would have won the contest. He would have gotten 30 of 32 first rounders correct if we had submitted it and you actually would have won.

Speaker 3:
[02:51] We did it live in Chicago in person in a hotel room, and I built the mock on the plane on the way there in an hour.

Speaker 4:
[02:59] Yeah, I remember Craig's text to me from the flight. He's like, Oh, I got all kinds of good stuff.

Speaker 2:
[03:04] Yeah. So Craig, you know, he's just been grinding tape. He's talking to sources. So we're going to go through all that. And again, if you're with us for the draft show or you've listed us the first time or not, we go back to the fantasy football show after the draft. So we're going to be in Los Angeles. Deke and I are going to be in LA. The drafts in Pittsburgh, but we're doing it in studio in LA. And we're going to be Thursday night, Friday night, and then Sunday morning, we're going to have recaps. We're going to have a bunch of stuff next week as well. Then we go back to fantasy. So we still cover all summer. We're still going to have an episode for you guys every single week of the entire year. And then, I mean, honestly, before you know it, it's July 4th, and then we'll go to two a week and then training camp three, four. So we'll help you for fantasy. If you haven't done our fantasy show yet, like we actually help you with your drafts, you might even make the playoffs if you listen to us. So we'll see. That's to stick with us.

Speaker 4:
[03:44] Maybe we don't guarantee you win your league.

Speaker 3:
[03:46] I mean, we're realistically already have like a 40% chance of making playoffs, but we may be up at the 45.

Speaker 4:
[03:51] We like to under promise and over deliver guys.

Speaker 2:
[03:53] Exactly. So with that said, we're going to get to Craig's mock. First, we have to hit this trade that happened over the weekend, which we recorded the take perch before it happened. But so Dexter, the Giants traded Dexter Lawrence to the Bengals, the 10th pick in the draft. I am a huge Giants fan. Just to go over, Dexter Lawrence requested to trade April 6th.

Speaker 3:
[04:14] Are you like introducing yourself to the joint listeners? I am a huge Giants fan.

Speaker 4:
[04:18] My name is Danny.

Speaker 2:
[04:19] I'm a huge Giants fan. I'm trying. I don't even know how to process this. I actually, is it weird if I want to start with the Bengals here just because I'm worried I might froth at the mouth talking about the Giants end of this? I kind of want to start with the Bengals because I think they deserve it.

Speaker 4:
[04:33] Sure.

Speaker 2:
[04:34] Why not? I want to just note that this is incredibly out of character for Cincinnati, and ESPN research in a great stat that this is the first time the Cincinnati Bengals have traded a first-rounder for a veteran player on record since the Common Draft Era of 1966, which is when they stopped doing 40-round drafts.

Speaker 4:
[04:49] You could just say ever.

Speaker 2:
[04:50] Ever, basically. And so, it's the first time they've ever traded their first-rounder. And they actually, Bengals don't even trade up. They don't really trade down. They had picked in their given draft slot for the previous 21 drafts. They have not moved up in the first round since Craig and I were born, really. So this is incredibly out of character. And the easy answer is that Zach Taylor, the head coach, is in a contract year, and the kind of GM, Duke Tobin, might get fired. But Schefter kind of wrote at ESPN this week that the real answer might be that they're. I'm sure Joe Burrow will pull an NBA player like Yannis and want out if they don't really... I mean, they haven't made the playoffs with Joe Burrow in three years. So I think that that's really what this is about, is that they missed the playoffs again with Joe Burrow for four straight years. He might not resign. But DK, do you think this is smart by Cincinnati to be trading the 10th pick for Dexter Lawrence?

Speaker 4:
[05:36] Yeah, that's a complicated question because you hardly ever see player for top 10 pick trades. And by that, I mean like sometimes quarterbacks, but skill player or any other player outside of a quarterback, you almost never see guys get traded for top 10 pick like this or at least not on purpose. And so this is obviously a huge, huge deal. I do think at the end of the day, I like this for both teams, honestly. I think for the Bengals, yeah, you don't want to waste away at Joe Burrow's prime years. Like that, like obviously you get to what Adam Schefter is saying and they're afraid he's going to leave eventually. Not going to be in the draft. They're not going to be in the draft. They're going to be in the draft. And so it's a really good opportunity to get an elite player. And I think it's also is a massive indictment on this draft, which we don't like. We want to be excited about the draft. And I think that's a really good opportunity to get an elite player. We're going to go for it. We're going to be excited about the draft. The Bengals are basically like, we can't get anyone nearly as good as this at the 10th overall pick. So we're going to go for it and take this guy, get this guy who's older, he's like 28. What is he? Almost 29?

Speaker 2:
[06:57] He's 28 years old.

Speaker 3:
[06:59] 29 in November.

Speaker 2:
[07:00] So if you like the trade, 28, if you don't like the trade for the Bengals, he's almost 28.

Speaker 4:
[07:07] And by the way, he didn't play as well as he normally does play last year. So he's coming off kind of a down season. So there's a lot of variables here. Ultimately, I think it's the right move for the Bengals because I don't want them to waste Joe Burroughs' prime. And that is the key element here.

Speaker 2:
[07:21] So Craig, you're our NFL insider here. So you've actually known about this trade for months. You didn't say anything, but you've known this would happen for, for, for really.

Speaker 3:
[07:27] Dexter told me he was unhappy and was thinking about a trade two years ago.

Speaker 2:
[07:31] So what's funny is I do think that happened two years ago. I do think it's funny. I do think this is in some ways the difference between football and baseball is that no one would ever go from the Yankees to the Cincinnati Reds to win at Super Bowl. I do think Dexter Lawrence was kind of fed up with the Giants organization. He wanted more money. I also think he was sick of losing. And that's actually really sad, but I think the name no one's brought up with any of this is Leonard Williams, who was a nether Giants defensive tackle, who was one of Dexter Lawrence's best friends of the Giants. And he played for the Jets and then went to the Giants and Giants sucked. And guess what? Leonard Williams went to the Seahawks and won a Super Bowl. And I think Dexter Lawrence won a championship at Clemson. And I do think it's about money. And it's also about, you know what? This team sucks. And I'm tired of it here, which he stopped talking to the GM from the reporting.

Speaker 4:
[08:19] I saw there was like the whole Joe who has it at this whole show. Joe Shane experience is going horrible.

Speaker 2:
[08:25] Well, I have many thoughts on that. I do want to stick to the Bengals for one second because I don't want to just leave them out of this because they acquired Dexter Lawrence. But Craig, again, in short, do you think this is a smart move from Cincinnati?

Speaker 3:
[08:37] Yeah, I mean, they signed into like a one-year extension. They're not giving them a kajillion dollars. And this is just a conversation. In my opinion, this is just about like windows. This is the window that you're in. And the Giants are in a different window than the Bengals. Weirdly, even though they both were unsuccessful teams last year. I mean, the Bengals haven't made the playoffs, like you said, since 2022, but when they were in the Super Bowl, they haven't made the playoffs since they were in the Super Bowl. And Joe Burrow is 29. Joe Burrow will be 30 in December, which feels insane.

Speaker 4:
[09:06] You see, he was kind of an older prospect coming into the league.

Speaker 3:
[09:08] Totally.

Speaker 2:
[09:09] The whole generation is 30. Mahomes is 30. Burrow is 30. Lamar is 30.

Speaker 3:
[09:14] Yeah, Josh Allen will be 30 soon. So, yeah, this is like, I think the Bengals think they could win the AFC North, and maybe they could. I wouldn't say I feel fantastic about the Steelers right now. The Browns know, and the Ravens are vulnerable. So I think this is like, yeah, the 10th pick in a week draft for who some would say might be like the best defensive tackle in the NFL, I don't think is a bad trade.

Speaker 2:
[09:38] Yeah. And again, do you guys remember that AFC Championship game where the Bengals and the Chiefs, the Chiefs kind of stole it at the end of the game. There was that 15-yard penalty toward the end of the game, a little ticky-tacky in the home and maybe you don't remember, because it was from January 2023. Those are the 2022 season. The Bengals have not had a playoff game since. They have Joe Burrow. And you missed Joe Burrow's playoff for 23 years in a row. I do. Look, they have Dexter Lawrence, they have Jonathan Allen, defensive line, Boye Maf on the defensive line, Brian Cook at safety. I think the Bengals have remade their defensive line. Again, they allowed 140 rushing yards a game last year. I think it's smart. So my question for you guys, before I give my opinion here, if Dexter Lawrence is such a game changing Super Bowl caliber tilting player, then why is this a good idea for the Giants?

Speaker 3:
[10:28] Because the Giants are in a different stage of their life cycle, and they feel good about their defensive line and want to to build and round out their team with more picks.

Speaker 2:
[10:42] Pick.

Speaker 3:
[10:43] Well, now they have two in the top 10.

Speaker 2:
[10:45] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[10:46] All right.

Speaker 2:
[10:46] So I guess I'm tilting my.

Speaker 3:
[10:48] They have a fifth of the top 10, which is what I've never heard that phrase. McShay said that. I confused my brain. I was like, the fifth. All right. One fifth of the top 10. I guess that's right.

Speaker 2:
[10:58] I'm not as excited about this deal as everybody else is.

Speaker 3:
[11:01] I think it's better for the Bengals.

Speaker 2:
[11:04] I'm not as excited. I think multiple.

Speaker 4:
[11:05] Here's how I would clarify Heifetz when I think it's a good deal for both sides. This is a, they got a top 10 pick for him. If this was like a low first rounder, then we're having a very different discussion. Top 10, like this is a rare, rare thing.

Speaker 2:
[11:19] That phrase is just doing all the work for this trade. If it was the 11th pick, I don't know what people would say about this.

Speaker 3:
[11:24] That's probably right.

Speaker 2:
[11:26] If it was the, literally the phrase top 10 is just carrying the entire perception of this trade.

Speaker 4:
[11:30] If you look at all the mock drafts too, though, like the fucking floor falls out after 10.

Speaker 2:
[11:35] Okay, but everyone's saying, but here's...

Speaker 3:
[11:38] It's like if DJ Moore was traded for a third versus a second, even though it was like a really late second, it's like that terminology matters a lot.

Speaker 2:
[11:45] I agree, Craig. And I think you called us out on that. And here's the thing, I understand that the Giants, I don't know why it got to this point where they had to trade Dexter Lawrence. The truth is it probably would have been hard to get a pick as high. I think the Bears were interested, the Browns were interested. And then if I'd gotten the 24th pick in the draft from Cleveland and some other shit, I'd be like, man, we'll never get a Dexter Lawrence with that. You might get a great player at 10 here. I get that. It's hard to get a top 10 pick for a veteran. Like, I mean, Bill was texting, Bill said that this is like a no-brainer. And like, to some degree, maybe it is a no-brainer to get a top 10 pick. I would say this. I just think the Giants sold low on the exact kind of player that wins in championships and that some people say, well, the Giants got a top 10 pick. Now they have two. Well, I'm like, well, they had one top 10 pick. You didn't get two top 10 picks. You got one top 10 pick. I look at it this way. Do you guys think Dexter Lawrence is half the player that Max Crosby is?

Speaker 3:
[12:38] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[12:40] Well, I mean, more than that, right? Probably like, OK, so why did you get?

Speaker 3:
[12:42] That was a confusing question, yes.

Speaker 2:
[12:43] Sorry, it was. It was a bad question. Do you think Dexter Lawrence is?

Speaker 4:
[12:47] You can see both of us go.

Speaker 2:
[12:49] That was stupid.

Speaker 4:
[12:50] Wait, what?

Speaker 3:
[12:51] Yes, yes.

Speaker 2:
[12:53] All right, that was kind of dumb. Do you think Dexter Lawrence is maybe about as good as Max Crosby?

Speaker 3:
[12:56] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[12:57] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[12:57] OK, so why do you get half the trade package?

Speaker 3:
[13:00] Why do all the good players leave the Giants?

Speaker 2:
[13:03] That's my other question.

Speaker 4:
[13:04] It's like, jeez, let me think.

Speaker 3:
[13:06] That's the thing, it's like they suck. You have Leonard Williams, you have Dexter Lawrence, Saquon Barkley, Xavier McKinney. There's a lot of guys who have just left the Giants.

Speaker 2:
[13:13] They can't hold on. The Giants cannot hold on to good players, and it's infuriating.

Speaker 4:
[13:16] But I look, fans already hate me. I'm not going to answer that question.

Speaker 3:
[13:19] I feel they don't score touchdowns.

Speaker 2:
[13:21] So you're going to say we all hate ourselves. I feel like I'm being told, well, the Giants have to love this man. You got two top 10 picks. I'm like, whoa, wait a second. Max Crosby was just dealt for the 14th pick of the draft and another first rounder. He was. I know that trade got well, the trade got undone, but that was the price. I could pretty passionately argue that Dexter Lawrence is maybe more valuable than Max Crosby. I would argue that if you look at Dexter Lawrence, he had a bad year, as DK said last year. He had a down year, showed up to camp out of shape. Just his pressure rate was way down. Nope. OK, cool. He was the most double team player in the NFL by percentage. Like, and that was a down year. And so consider the fact that a new defense, they kind of had him doing different stuff. I won't pretend that he was as motivated as other years, but Brian Dable was fired. The defensive coordinator then got fired. The assistant D-line coach got fired. It was a tire fire of a season. And so he wanted more money. I understand it rubbed the team the wrong way, that he kind of had a bad season, then wanted more money and it was a whole thing. And to me, if Dexter Lawrence plateaus and he's not as good anymore, or he has this elbow issue and he's never the same player, then this is obviously a good thing for the Giants. If you can flip a player's declining. However, if Dexter Lawrence returns to how good he was in 2024, which was one notch below defensive player of the year.

Speaker 4:
[14:36] He was one of the best players in the NFL.

Speaker 2:
[14:38] Yes, and I would argue it the most important position on defense, which is defensive tackle pass rusher. I would argue that this might be worse for the Giants than losing Saquon, because while Saquon went to the Eagles and won the Super Bowl in 2000 yards. All right. Well, Saquon had stayed. The Giants win at most at most one or two more one more game or two more games. I would argue Dexter Lawrence is the exact kind of player you're not supposed to get rid of. And so I'm kind of confused by all this, especially with the fact that he accepted one year extension for $23 million, even one day before it got dealt. Arbaugh said, this is just about money. I don't understand either the Giants fundamentally disagree on the quality of the draft at that 10th pick from Cincinnati, or they disagree on the quality of Dexter Lawrence, because I don't really understand. It's like, what's the point of having Jackson Dart and Malik neighbors on rookie contracts if it's not to pay a player like Dexter Lawrence? I don't totally understand this.

Speaker 4:
[15:28] I think that is, to me, the big variable here that we don't know the answer to is like, do the Giants, after what they saw last year, were just like, fuck this guy, he doesn't try hard anymore. He doesn't have his heart's not in it. This is not the type of guy we want around a young team. He's not the type of leader that we want. Those are probably variables.

Speaker 2:
[15:47] They weren't there. It's a new coaching staff. They weren't there.

Speaker 4:
[15:49] The GM is still there.

Speaker 2:
[15:51] He's in the cut corner. Yeah, he's sitting in the chair watching John Horlbeck.

Speaker 4:
[15:54] There's some people that are still there and they have that information based on what happened last year. That is probably very likely what's happening here is that they saw him and they don't want that type of thing to rub off on all the young players that they're bringing.

Speaker 2:
[16:04] I don't. You're saying he's like a bad locker. I think maybe the bad Giants culture.

Speaker 4:
[16:09] He's a bad locker room. I'm saying I'm speculating that's maybe why part of the reason they did this, because this play was down last year.

Speaker 3:
[16:15] Sometimes a player and team are just not on the same page. And it's to the point where there's no going back. And I kind of think that might just be what it was.

Speaker 4:
[16:23] Clean break.

Speaker 2:
[16:23] I understand. I probably sound like a total wet blanket. I understand that. Look, let's be honest. This is a great time to be a Giants fan, because you know what? It's really fun to sit there and do a mock draft with two top 10 picks. And you're like, oh, my God, it could be it could be anything. It's a mystery box. Well, the Giants just had two top 10 picks. They got Kavon Thibodeau and Evan Neal, and they suck. And Evan Neal is unplayable. And Kavon Thibodeau is probably going to get traded on Friday. Who did that? Joe Shane. And I'm just saying, like, look, maybe the Giants head out of the park. If the Giants get Caleb Downs with this 10th pick, that'll be amazing. So I don't understand why they didn't do it on the clock. But regardless, maybe the Giants get great players. But to me, to make it too simplistic, either Dexter Lawrence returns to his previous level of play or he doesn't. If Dexter Lawrence doesn't return, it's a good call. If Dexter Lawrence once again becomes a top three defensive tackle, then whoever the Giants get with this 10th pick better be pretty fucking awesome. Because maybe it ends up like the way we got Dexter Lawrence was they traded Odell Beckham for a first and a third. I was upset about that too, because Odell was cool and I was dumb. But Odell never returned to that level of play after the High Ankle Spring, and they got Dexter Lawrence and he's great. Well, if the Giants get a Dexter Lawrence-esque player, fantastic. But if they don't, which the Bengals seem to be concerned about because they didn't want this pick, and all I've been hearing is, well, Cardinal Tate's not a typical top 10 player, but he's here and all the players in the top 10, Francis Marinoa is a bad number one tackle or all these guys are bad players. Yet it's like, we'll be excited at the top 10 pick. I'm like, I don't know. I just, I keep thinking about what you said at the beginning, DK. The top players, the top teams this year, if you rank every team by how many pressures they're starting defensive tackles got. This top four teams were the Broncos, the Seahawks, the Patriots and the Rams. Their defensive, starting defensive tackles got the most pressures. Point being what you see with your eyes every week. Interior pressure is the most impactful thing you can have on a defense, on or against an offense where it's like, it's not about, it's disruption.

Speaker 4:
[18:18] It's also, it's more than that too. It's as defenses in the NFL go towards this thing where it's all about math. Heifetz, we've talked about this where if you're going to, if you're gonna have seven guys dropping back, you have to be able to get pressure with four. If you have a really good guy in the inside, that changes everything in terms of what you can do in the backend. Obviously that's sort of implied with what you're saying, but it just gives a team so much more flexibility and ability to disguise what they're doing in the backend when you have a guy like that who can just wreck shop, just collapse a pocket and you can just rely on him to do that. We saw that with the Seahawks. They had a bunch of guys that could do that. So this is huge. And the other thing with the Bengals, which I think is, I mean, it's being discussed, but the Ravens just lost their center. And now he's going to-

Speaker 2:
[19:05] Oh, the AFC North-ism, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[19:06] Yeah, and so now this is an interesting variable. You go into the Bengals playing in the AFC North and you got Dexter Lawrence going up against whoever the Ravens have going next year at center. And you know, that's a huge advantage for the Bengals.

Speaker 2:
[19:20] To that point, just, I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but if you just look at like pressures from nose tackle, how many times you pressure the quarterback as the nose tackle right up on the center? The last, I think four years, Warren Sharp had this stat. The last four years Dexter Lawrence has more pressures at nose tackle than the second place, third place, and fourth place guy combined over the last four years. So again, I'm not saying this is a bad trade for the Giants. All I'm saying is, if I were a Bengals fan, I'd be thinking that we got a more impactful player than Max Crosby for about what half of what the Ravens tried to pay for Max Crosby. You have to go to BC before COVID for the last Super Bowl winner, whose best defensive lineman was an edge rusher. Like literally all the Super Bowl champions last eight years, their best lineman has been a defensive tackle. It's the Chiefs of the Chris Jones, the Rams of the Aaron Donalds, it's the Eagles of the Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis. It's the Buccaneers when they won. They had Ndamakong Su and Vida Vea. Like that's anyway. So I just, if the Bengals win the Super Bowl, you're going to be like, wow, I can't believe we were our first round pick this year too. So that's all.

Speaker 3:
[20:24] So you didn't like the trade. I think we need to end this conversation. We've been talking about this trade for 20 minutes.

Speaker 4:
[20:29] To be clear, I like it more for the Bengals. I think the Giants getting a top 10 pick is pretty good return still. That's all.

Speaker 2:
[20:35] Yeah, just don't trade them. Well, this is why I wanted to do the Bengals first. I had a feeling that would be a mess. Okay, let's go to Craig's mock. Craig, our insider, our outsider, insider, insider, outsider here at The Ringer NFL Draft Show.

Speaker 3:
[20:48] All week. I haven't left this room. I have this giant water bottle because it takes so much time to go out to the kitchen.

Speaker 4:
[20:57] Craig, this is really random, but Rhino Hanlon, former Ringer employee, great guy, texted me after our take purge, my take purge take about how new shit has like, there's too many bells and whistles. We need to stop this shit. He said two years ago, his dad bought his brother a water bottle that had an app. A fucking water bottle with an app.

Speaker 3:
[21:23] What is the purpose of the app?

Speaker 2:
[21:24] How cold it is?

Speaker 4:
[21:26] Yeah, probably. Time to stir it up.

Speaker 3:
[21:28] You know, you could tell how cold the water is. You could drink it.

Speaker 4:
[21:32] An app on a water bottle.

Speaker 3:
[21:35] Oh, are you guys excited? It's draft week. Are you guys excited?

Speaker 4:
[21:37] Yeah, let's do this.

Speaker 2:
[21:38] Hell yeah. Giants of two top 10 picks, baby.

Speaker 4:
[21:41] Hell yeah.

Speaker 3:
[21:43] Have you guys been enjoying the 10,000 mock drafts that have been put out in the last two months?

Speaker 4:
[21:47] Oh, have you enjoyed those?

Speaker 3:
[21:48] What was your favorite one? Do you have a favorite? Should we mock draft mock drafts?

Speaker 2:
[21:52] It's like Tom Brady is the next one. Oh, a mock draft draft? Oh, that's actually pretty good.

Speaker 3:
[21:55] The reason why we do this is it's really because we, you know, I'm wearing a suit right now, but it's because I find this whole thing to be quite ridiculous. And I, Is that right?

Speaker 4:
[22:06] Wow.

Speaker 3:
[22:07] I just, it's the draft season equivalent of like look at my fantasy roster, you know?

Speaker 4:
[22:12] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[22:13] And it also changes every week. I just, it's just, the whole thing is funny to me. And so-

Speaker 2:
[22:18] It's fan fiction.

Speaker 3:
[22:19] You're just blind guessing. It's fan fiction. And it's like half the time, it's me last year going 30 for 32 at first, is it fucking insane? It's like my mom beating me in Mark's madness. Like it just, you know, I'm like, might as well, might as well do one, you know? Might as well-

Speaker 4:
[22:33] There's so many millions of iterations that could possibly happen with the draft. It's like trying to predict a chess game.

Speaker 3:
[22:40] It's like Mark's madness.

Speaker 4:
[22:42] Yeah, it's crazy. Anyways, but I do-

Speaker 3:
[22:43] It's like one trillion possibilities.

Speaker 4:
[22:45] I am very excited to see how accurate you are this year though, because you have a good feel for it, Craig.

Speaker 3:
[22:52] I feel like if my sources are giving me the right information and I think that they are, I have great relationships with the podcasters who have relationships with their sources.

Speaker 4:
[23:01] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[23:03] I feel pretty good about my chances this year.

Speaker 4:
[23:05] All right. Should we just start at the top then? Who do you think is going to win?

Speaker 3:
[23:09] We'll go one through 32 and you guys help me through some of these. Tell me what you think, if you hate it, if you love it, if you think it makes no sense. I can tweak. I'm an open book. You know what I mean? You guys are also my sources. All right.

Speaker 2:
[23:23] If you're doing sources, you just know those people, but if you're listening to everybody who's listening to sources, you have way more sources than them.

Speaker 3:
[23:29] If you think about it, I listen to all the people who have the sources. I listen to everybody, and if they all have their own sources, then I have all the sources as well. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[23:40] It's pretty good.

Speaker 4:
[23:41] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[23:43] Okay. First pick, I will be giving the Raiders Fernando Mendoza.

Speaker 4:
[23:48] All right.

Speaker 3:
[23:49] We can move on past that.

Speaker 4:
[23:50] Sure.

Speaker 3:
[23:50] I think there is legitimate now discussion. Last year, I think it was the fifth pick when it was the draft really began. I would say it kind of starts at two. I think there's confusion about who the Jets are going to take. I'm going to give them Arvel Reese out of Ohio State.

Speaker 4:
[24:03] Ooh, I like that. I feel like there's a lot of steam or whatever. People are gassing up Bailey, David Bailey for that spot.

Speaker 3:
[24:11] The Jets just canceled his trip to New York, but then the Jets GM was like, don't read into that. And some people are like, oh, it's because they already know they're going to take him. So why are they going to make him fly out? Or they already know they're going to take Arvel Reese and they don't need him to fly out and they're just saying don't look into it because they don't want you to look into it.

Speaker 4:
[24:29] Hey, what's that? What is that? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[24:33] I think Reese is the right choice. I think that everyone's kind of, I don't think it's based on Intel. I think people are kind of like, well, David Bailey is easier to envision for Aaron Glenn's defense. I think that kind of assumes that Aaron Glenn gets to make the pick where they care about a year beyond Aaron. If you were just like not taking Arvel Reese because he doesn't work with Aaron Glenn, I think that's stupid.

Speaker 3:
[24:50] I agree. And most people, I mean, you have him as number one on your big board in this draft, Arvel Reese. And I think talent-wise, most people agree that he is the superior talent. So I'll go him number two. And now things are wide open. We can go in any direction. And I've been kind of floating these permutations out into the ether and seeing what kind of comes back. I've been throwing the boomerang and catching it on the way back. And on the way back, I think the Cardinals will take David Bailey the edge. That's why I'm giving them. I know they could have taken a running back. There's buzz about them taking Jeremiah Love. They could have gone tackle. I'm going to give them David Bailey. Because the Cardinals need a little bit of everything. I'm going to give them David Bailey, the edge rusher out of Texas Tech.

Speaker 4:
[25:29] Yeah, because right now, their pass rushers are Josh Swett, Zaven Collins, Baron Browning. I'm just looking here. I mean, Darius Robinson is kind of more of an interior guy. Yeah, they definitely need some pass rush help. BJ Ojelari.

Speaker 3:
[25:44] They need offensive line quarterback. They need like the three most important positions. And we're going to give them Bailey. Which brings me to the fourth pick with the Titans. I've been on this since January. I'm going to give them Jeremiah Love. I just think since January, I just think it makes sense. And I think Heifetz keeps talking about how they're opening a stadium next year. They need to put somebody on the fucking ticket. And if they think Kim Ward is the guy, Ward was the first overall pick last year. They need some of the tickets. Who are they? Who is he going to give the ball to? Trevor Lawrence and Travis Hunter did those cute little commercials. What would Kim Ward be in the commercial with?

Speaker 4:
[26:21] I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[26:22] Tony Pollard can't be in the commercial. No one knows Tony Pollard.

Speaker 4:
[26:25] Tony Pollard is a fine player.

Speaker 2:
[26:28] Are you going to take him in fantasy this year?

Speaker 4:
[26:30] Sure.

Speaker 3:
[26:31] He's a fine player.

Speaker 4:
[26:32] He's a fine young man. I'll do it despite you fuckers.

Speaker 2:
[26:35] It's like when you were like, the Saints are good.

Speaker 4:
[26:37] Well, they turned out to be not very good. They got better as the season went on.

Speaker 2:
[26:41] Craig, would you give the Titans, do you think that if David Bailey was available and Jeremiah Love was available?

Speaker 3:
[26:47] If the Cardinals took Jeremiah Love, I think the Titans would take David Bailey. If both were available.

Speaker 2:
[26:52] Let's say the Cardinals took an offensive tackle. The Titans. I feel like it would be David Bailey then Jeremiah Love.

Speaker 3:
[26:59] Maybe you're right.

Speaker 2:
[27:00] For the Titans.

Speaker 3:
[27:00] Yeah, you might be right. Because I don't think there is desperate for an offensive lineman. And so if the two edge rushers go, I think they're going to take Jeremiah Love. There's no one to give the ball to in Tennessee. Old Calvin Ridley, who was bad last year and hurt. Ilik Io-Miners, fine. Tony Pollard, what are we doing? Who are we giving the ball to?

Speaker 2:
[27:18] All right, Craig, so Giants on the Clock at number five. What are your sources telling you? What are your sources on your podcast you listen to telling you about the Giants at number five with one of their two top 10 players?

Speaker 3:
[27:26] I've been down deep in the muck listening to shit you've never even heard of. I've been... These people are in their fucking trenches. These are the scouts of scouts. These are the cousins of the scouts who used to work for teams. And I think they're taking Sonny Styles.

Speaker 4:
[27:42] Oh, all right.

Speaker 3:
[27:44] Did we know that Sonny Styles was named Sonny after the Godfather?

Speaker 2:
[27:48] Yeah, we talked about that. They said when he was four years old, he had a temper. So they named him Sonny or they just started calling him Sonny.

Speaker 3:
[27:55] So, yeah, I think I think this is what they would do if Sonny is there and Jeremiah Love and the Edrushers are gone.

Speaker 2:
[28:04] I'll talk myself into this immediately if the Giants take Sonny Styles. But before that, I think it is weird if the Giants signed Tremaine Edmonds for $12 million a year to be an inside linebacker and then draft Sonny Styles with the fifth pick to be another inside linebacker. But Craig, a lot of insiders with sources on podcasts seem to think the Giants want Sonny Styles. I will talk myself into it immediately, but my pre-draft brain says I don't get it, but then it'll make a ton of sense to me immediately.

Speaker 3:
[28:31] Who would you prefer they take in this situation? If Mendoza, Reese, Bailey, and Loverk are off the board, would you want them to take a tackle? Would you want them to take another edge rusher, a wide receiver, or what do you want?

Speaker 2:
[28:43] I, my gut is...

Speaker 3:
[28:46] You don't want Cardinal Tate at five, do you?

Speaker 2:
[28:48] The funny thing about Cardinal Tate at five is...

Speaker 4:
[28:50] Don't leave the witness.

Speaker 2:
[28:52] It's, part of me, I was so angry when people started talking about that in the beginning because I'm confident he'd be a pro. I don't know, I'm pretty sure Cardinal Tate would be the highest drafted player expected to be a number two receiver ever. Like, the idea that he would be drafted higher than League Neighbors was, but it kind of doesn't matter to some point. Those are two different drafts. It doesn't matter. So you could, but I kind of just think draft offensive tackle. The idea that they signed Jermaine Elminore and he's 32 years old. And well, he can't take Francis Mourinho or Spencer Fano now. I'm like, yeah, you can. But they're not going to ask me.

Speaker 4:
[29:25] I know. I was going to ask if it's like if they take a boring guy, like an offensive lineman, Francis Mourinho.

Speaker 2:
[29:30] Great.

Speaker 4:
[29:31] Yeah, you're happy about that again.

Speaker 3:
[29:34] Teams never can be unhappy with a tackle.

Speaker 2:
[29:36] Yeah, it's like if David Bailey is there at five, the Giants could trade down. But the Giants, everyone's like, well, you can't take David Bailey because they have Abdel Korda and Brian Burns. Well, yeah, you can.

Speaker 4:
[29:44] There's no never too many past rushers. You cannot have too many past rushers.

Speaker 3:
[29:48] What?

Speaker 2:
[29:48] Yeah. What great team was ever like, well, God, we just have so many offensive linemen that are great.

Speaker 4:
[29:54] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[29:55] Yeah. There's no like basketball team. It's like we got too many shooters.

Speaker 4:
[29:58] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[29:59] Every team is just like, we want the best player available. And then they actually are on the clock and they're like, well, yeah, but we have a guy there.

Speaker 3:
[30:04] Yeah, I agree. Anyway, six pick Browns. I'm giving them a tackle. They desperately need a million things, but I'm giving them Spencer Fano, who can play left and right tackle. He's he's kind of got short arms, but that's all right. I think Browns have a lot of work to do. But you start at the cornerstone of an offense, which after quarterback is a tackle.

Speaker 2:
[30:26] I think this is, yeah, that's smart.

Speaker 3:
[30:29] Which brings me to seven here. Commanders, who could go a lot of different directions here, I'm not going to give them Carnell Tate. I'm going to give him Ruben Bain. All right. An edge rusher out of Miami. I think this is, I don't think he gets out of the top 10, Ruben Bain. I think the Chiefs could have taken him if he was there at nine. But commanders need a difference maker on defense. Their defense stinks and they've been trying to overhaul it.

Speaker 4:
[30:56] And yeah, they are just signing a ton of free agents and hoping, like throwing shit at the wall and hoping it'll stick.

Speaker 3:
[31:03] Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I feel like the commanders could have done anything. If Sonny Stiles is there, I could see them doing that. But the way this is unfolding, Ruben Bain, which then Saints at eight. Now I'm going wide receiver Cardinal Tate, because I think, you know, you have a guy like Tyler Schuck, they start to believe in this is my philosophy with Kim Ward and them taking a running back. It's like, okay, after Chris Alave, who has a large injury history, what do you have? You have Mason Tipton, Devon Vailay, their tight end is still Jawan Johnson. Like, what the fuck are we, there's nothing else.

Speaker 4:
[31:36] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[31:37] And sure, you got Travis Etienne, now HN, but you need somebody to throw the ball to. And the Ohio State wide receiver has paid off with Alave, and now you get another one in Cardinal Tate.

Speaker 4:
[31:49] There's something very aesthetically pleasing about having two Ohio State receivers in the same receiving group. I don't know why, it just makes sense to me. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[31:57] Okay. Chiefs at nine. I think this worked out perfectly for the Chiefs. And I think they now take Francis Maui Noah, the tackle out of Miami, plays right tackle. He can help with the Jaylen Moore situation at right tackle for the Chiefs. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[32:12] Yeah, I think that's true.

Speaker 4:
[32:13] A lot of science points to the Chiefs taking an offensive lineman.

Speaker 2:
[32:15] I just, again, Andy Reid, when Patrick Worms dislocated his kneecap, didn't sneak Mahomes ever again. It's been seven seasons. I really do think Reid gives a shit about the fact Mahomes towards ACL. It doesn't have to be that complicated.

Speaker 3:
[32:28] I'm just not buying that the Chiefs are going to take like a receiver here. I'm just not. They're either going to get a tackle or a defensive player. I don't think they're taking a wide receiver.

Speaker 2:
[32:36] Also, everyone's like, well, they need secondary. I'm like, okay, DK, and again, DK has all his stuff at nfldraft.theringer.com. Big boards. If the draft's happening while you're listening to this, DK has draft grades off round one. You can go to nfldraft.theringer.com. DK, the Chief's also at the 30th pick in this draft, or 29th pick in this draft.

Speaker 4:
[32:54] 29th.

Speaker 3:
[32:54] 29th.

Speaker 2:
[32:55] What is more likely for the Chiefs to get at 29? A right tackle that can play for them this year, a cornerback that can play for them this year, or a receiver that can play for them this year? Like I would say-

Speaker 4:
[33:05] The tackles are very likely to be gone.

Speaker 2:
[33:08] So it's like, get the tackle now, get a receiver cornerback later.

Speaker 4:
[33:11] That's what I think too. That's what I had my pick too, Craig.

Speaker 3:
[33:15] And the Chiefs, so they have 29, and they also have a second rounder, correct? I want to make sure that's right.

Speaker 2:
[33:21] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[33:22] Yeah, it's like, I think it's 40. Like take your wide receiver there.

Speaker 2:
[33:26] Yeah, a receiver cornerback makes more sense to me. All right, Giants are at 10 here. All right, is Dexter Lawrence on the board?

Speaker 3:
[33:34] This is, I think this has worked out lovely for you. This is going to be what gets you over the Dexter Lawrence departure. Sonny Stiles at five, Caleb Downs at 10.

Speaker 4:
[33:40] Yeah. All right, that makes sense. Is that the sexiest combination you could possibly get?

Speaker 3:
[33:45] By the way, I'm not doing trades. That's not the point of this. I don't believe in it. I'm just, these are the players I think will go in the first round. And it's like, and I think these players will end up on these teams. If there's trades that get them there, whatever.

Speaker 2:
[33:57] But you won't hear a peep from me if the Giants get Caleb Downs at 10. I love Caleb Downs so much. He's going to be dancing.

Speaker 3:
[34:03] Yeah. Not bad, Heifetz. Look at you, one fifth of the top 10. You end up with Sonny Stiles and Caleb Downs. That's not so bad.

Speaker 2:
[34:12] We'll have to get Patricia to coach all these guys.

Speaker 3:
[34:15] That's right. Okay, 11, Dolphins, it's like, I mean, where do we begin? But I'm going to give them Vega Iwani, the guard out of Penn State.

Speaker 4:
[34:27] Oh, I like that.

Speaker 3:
[34:28] Want to run the ball?

Speaker 4:
[34:29] Just beef.

Speaker 3:
[34:30] You need some beef. You have HN and you have Malik Willis. And it's like, we need to run the fucking ball. Let's get a big meaty guy in the middle.

Speaker 2:
[34:38] I think that's smart for many reasons, including, I think, ass kickers don't want to go to Miami. You're Miami. You can find receivers who want to live a cool life to come to your free agency. But maulers, you bring them to Miami. They want to just be in the north. You have to get the ass kickers in the draft.

Speaker 3:
[34:57] You have to change the perception of warm cities like Miami and Los Angeles. OK. Feel good about that one. Cowboys is where I start to get a little bit, my sources are thin in Dallas. I don't have a great relationship down there because of a couple of things that happened back in college. But yeah. Oh, wow. So I currently wanted to give the Cowboys a defensive back. And I went with somebody who I think talent wise would go this high had they not gotten injured. I'm going to give them Jermog McCoy, who is coming off an ACL, but ran at the combine and ran fast. He ran like a 4.3 at the combine. So how do you feel about that?

Speaker 2:
[35:41] Overman Stoddellane, you think you may have McCoy be the number one cornerback?

Speaker 3:
[35:44] Yeah. Did I stutter? No.

Speaker 2:
[35:47] Well, you kind of did. You kind of at the beginning was like one long stutter.

Speaker 4:
[35:52] This is like Craig fighting with the comment section when you post your mock draft.

Speaker 2:
[35:57] He did start with a long preamble of, I don't have Craig Stoddellane with the Cowboys.

Speaker 3:
[36:01] You haven't seen the Godfather? No. I just said that.

Speaker 4:
[36:08] I think the only thing that I would say about that is there are a lot of sort of indications right now that McCoy might fall because he has to have more work done on his knee. That's sort of the report. And so there's some worry that he's got like degenerative something or other, and he might be the guy that falls.

Speaker 2:
[36:26] But Craig's inside his knee.

Speaker 4:
[36:28] All health. Like if he's healthy and if teams feel comfortable about his knee, then yeah, this is his range.

Speaker 3:
[36:32] My sources told me that he was kind of trending to be the first defensive back off the board. But look, maybe you're right. Should I swap him for Delain?

Speaker 2:
[36:43] You got to trust your gut. Your gut is the ultimate insider, Craig.

Speaker 4:
[36:46] We got to trust the process.

Speaker 2:
[36:47] Yeah, we got to trust the process here.

Speaker 3:
[36:49] The injury stuff worries me. But okay, we'll tentatively keep him there, and then we'll see because there's another spot we can talk about later. So the Rams now are 13. This is the via the Falcons.

Speaker 2:
[37:00] So we're giving it. You're going to check back in later. I think we are making a decision. I think the lanes there. You think the lane. But you're the insider.

Speaker 3:
[37:06] You know, if you know, no, no, let's do delay. Let's do delay. I like that. Let's do delay.

Speaker 4:
[37:10] Did I start her?

Speaker 3:
[37:13] And then I change it.

Speaker 2:
[37:15] I can't wait.

Speaker 4:
[37:16] If this is your draft, the whole mock draft because of some comment on Twitter.

Speaker 2:
[37:20] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[37:21] That was so funny.

Speaker 2:
[37:22] I mean, you just go back to if draft night, they take McCoy at the spot.

Speaker 4:
[37:27] I'm really like I tried to talk you into keeping McCoy there because I'm afraid to do that.

Speaker 2:
[37:31] But yeah, well, I'm not afraid.

Speaker 4:
[37:33] I'm afraid to be like talking you out of what would be a great guess.

Speaker 2:
[37:36] I'm afraid of I want to hear what Craig's insiders say. The Rams, Craig and his best friend, brother, Sean McVay.

Speaker 4:
[37:43] Craig just texted McVay and was like, who you taking at this point?

Speaker 2:
[37:47] It's been long enough. A lot of listeners don't know. Craig actually did produce a pod here at The Ringer with Sean McVay and Pete Schrager. And you went to McVay's house and he called you his brother, right?

Speaker 4:
[37:55] Well, he didn't say my brother.

Speaker 3:
[37:56] I don't think he was like, you're my brother. I think he was kind of colloquially. He called you his brother.

Speaker 2:
[38:03] It's like, hey, brother.

Speaker 3:
[38:05] It was kind of just kind of common man slang.

Speaker 4:
[38:07] It's like Hulk Hogan. You know, I'm not Hulk Hogan's brother, but he calls me that.

Speaker 3:
[38:12] Yeah. But I mean, at this point, this was the year the Rams won the Super Bowl. It was that off season. I produced Flying Coach with McVeigh and Peter Schrager. And McVeigh was the best. Love that dude. With that said, I didn't text him. I don't need to. I have my sources. You know, I don't need to talk to him. He's busy. Yeah, right. I don't agree with this pick, but this is what I think they're going to do. And I gave them a Kai Lemon.

Speaker 4:
[38:39] You wanted to give them Jordan Tyson.

Speaker 3:
[38:41] I did. But I don't think they're going to do that because I think that there's a lot of uncertainty right now surrounding the Rams wide receivers for a multitude of reasons, including Pukin Nakua's off season and Devontae Adams' age and injury history. And I think they need somebody. DK's comp for McCoy Lemon was Doug Baldwin. And that's kind of like an old, reliable, fucking dependable, tough. And like to me, that fits the Rams mentality and what they need this year is somebody like that who brings a diversified skill set, but also brings something that you feel like you can rely on right now. Jordan Tyson just feels a little bit too risky for me.

Speaker 4:
[39:15] They're choosing sort of like they're marrying the good girl versus like whatever. Because yeah, right now, Jordan Tyson is scintillating because he's got all like the movement skills, whatever, but the injury history, a lot sort of he's just higher.

Speaker 2:
[39:29] Do you think Jordan Tyson got dinner with Sean with Joe Shane and Sean McPhee was like, Oh, gross.

Speaker 3:
[39:35] Honestly, probably.

Speaker 2:
[39:38] Yeah, Lemon on the Rams would be awesome. I mean, you know, he's probably not as versatile as some of the other guys McVay has, but he can block his ass off, which I think is really important to guys like Rams. Yeah. And so Cassie is too for Stafford. You need to be able to snipe really fat like you. You need to be able to catch Matt Stafford's going to throw you passes in places you did not expect or like, well, that's this type of, you know, progression. I might not get the ball. And then you turn around and it's fucking there. And like McKaylen's really good at that.

Speaker 4:
[40:04] Dude, Matt Stafford turned Golden Tate into like 100 plus catch guy. Well, how do you how many catches did he have in Detroit? He had 99, 90, 91, 92 catches in the four years he was in Detroit with with Stafford.

Speaker 3:
[40:17] Less need was like Joe Shane's meeting with Jordan Tyson. He's another guy who drafted Jalen Hyatt. We're good. Although McKaylen and Jalen Hyatt both won the Ballinikov.

Speaker 4:
[40:27] So also derogatory.

Speaker 3:
[40:30] Yeah, derogatory.

Speaker 2:
[40:30] Roman is silence for Jimmy Garoppolo, who seems like he's retiring for the Rams.

Speaker 3:
[40:34] Oh, is that right?

Speaker 2:
[40:35] RIP to the yeah.

Speaker 4:
[40:36] There's a report that he's considering retirement.

Speaker 2:
[40:38] Considering retirement. We're going to have to crown the new hottest quarterback in the NFL if Jimmy G retires.

Speaker 3:
[40:44] Oh, that's actually that could be an entire episode. We should build up in.

Speaker 2:
[40:48] I'm actually going to write that down right now. We do like I'm putting that down on our like a bracket. Yeah, we can have people vote. Yeah, we'll do that over the summer.

Speaker 3:
[40:57] OK, that's good. OK, 14th pick here, Baltimore. You guys are going to be surprised by this.

Speaker 4:
[41:03] I love it.

Speaker 3:
[41:03] And I think you'll disagree.

Speaker 4:
[41:05] OK.

Speaker 3:
[41:05] But this is this is this is kind of what I feel is going to happen and both what the what the boots on the ground are saying. I think they're going to take Jordan Tyson.

Speaker 4:
[41:18] Oh, yeah, interesting.

Speaker 3:
[41:19] I think the Ravens need need new blood on offense, and I think they need new juice.

Speaker 2:
[41:23] They have they have blood like they need transfusions for all the players who are constantly hurt.

Speaker 3:
[41:28] Yeah, yeah, that's right. They need to go to Germany.

Speaker 4:
[41:30] They need to do like the the Postal Service team.

Speaker 2:
[41:33] I think Jordan Tyson is so negative, so that's pretty good.

Speaker 3:
[41:36] I did not I didn't give them Kenyon Sadiq, the tight end, because I think Jordan Tyson is just a much more dynamic player and the upside is way higher. And to be honest, like you look at Baltimore's receivers and you have Zay Flowers heading into year five his contract. And I feel like you know what Zay Flowers is. We know like he's a solid player, but he's not a blue chipper. And then you have Rashad Bateman again, and then you still have Mark Andrews and Isaiah likely left. And I think they need a difference maker in the passing game. And I'm giving them, they're going to take another shot at a first round receiver.

Speaker 4:
[42:08] I can see it. I can see that.

Speaker 3:
[42:11] By the way, that's required. Every time I say a pick, you have to go, I can see that.

Speaker 4:
[42:14] I can see that.

Speaker 2:
[42:15] I can see that.

Speaker 4:
[42:16] You know what's funny? I can see that.

Speaker 3:
[42:17] That's why Mark Draft's on podcasts are so funny. Because what can you say after somebody gives you their fucking pick? Anything could happen. You're like, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[42:25] Well, it's good that we're friends enough to yell at each other, because I think it's funny about the Jordan Tyson and the Ravens. I do think this is a pick they could make. I also think what's perfect about Jordan Tyson and the Ravens, he'll fit in right with Zay Flowers and Rashad Bateman when he gets injured on the sideline. He fits in right with Zay Flowers for all the unnecessary steps he takes to run around. They look great on social media. Zay Flowers has this allergy to running up to the field.

Speaker 3:
[42:47] Their TikTok accounts are going to be huge.

Speaker 2:
[42:49] Exactly. Then I also think Jordan Tyson was a problem. Jordan Tyson also can do a phenomenal job demanding a trade for the Ravens when he doesn't have a thousand yards, but he's clearly really good and he'll be great on the second team.

Speaker 3:
[43:02] Yeah, he'll be sick on the Cowboys in four years.

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Speaker 3:
[44:12] Okay, moving on. My 15th pick, Bucs, Akeem Mesadour out of Miami. He's old. Bucs need a guy who's good right now. He's old. Todd Bowles doesn't want to lose his job. This is a rock solid defensive pick that they need.

Speaker 4:
[44:26] I think I've mocked Mesadour to the Buccaneers several times.

Speaker 2:
[44:29] I didn't change my mind once. This is the only pick I literally refused to change my mind on.

Speaker 3:
[44:35] Which means it won't happen.

Speaker 2:
[44:36] No, it will not happen. Every time I'm there, I'm like, yeah, let this Mesadour to the Bucs makes too much sense.

Speaker 4:
[44:42] The Buccaneers definitely go for the Trenches, though. It's been kind of a theme for them over the years.

Speaker 3:
[44:47] Jets at 16. As we know, the Jets didn't record an interception last year. So now I will be giving this.

Speaker 4:
[44:55] They didn't record an interception.

Speaker 2:
[44:58] Dude, the stuff that Rory McIlroy has won two Masters since the Jets last intercepted fast.

Speaker 4:
[45:04] They didn't record an interception.

Speaker 3:
[45:06] I'm giving them Jermod McCoy, the corner at a test.

Speaker 4:
[45:09] There we go. That makes sense. So they got Arvel Reiss at two and Jermod McCoy. That, I mean, look, high variance picks, but the upsides out of this world.

Speaker 3:
[45:20] And then I think and then, DK, is that enough, in your opinion, to bump the Jets up to number one in offseason five?

Speaker 2:
[45:28] 100%.

Speaker 3:
[45:29] Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[45:30] So I was just thinking about how my grandparents had not left Europe because of World War II yet, when the last time a team did not intercept a pass in an Air Force.

Speaker 3:
[45:38] Jesus. Okay. Where are we? 17? Lions. Lions need talent on the offensive line. I'm giving them Monroe Freeling to tackle out of Georgia. I think-

Speaker 4:
[45:54] Popular pick right now.

Speaker 3:
[45:56] I think right around now, we begin a run of kind of tackles. I think like half of the next 10 picks are going to be tackles.

Speaker 2:
[46:01] I think this makes so much sense. And if not, I think this is the team that takes Vega Yawane. I think like Yawane or Freeling goes to the Lions. I think that's a good call.

Speaker 4:
[46:12] Yeah, I've seen Proctor to the Lions as well.

Speaker 2:
[46:15] I just don't think that's going to- I think people give that to him because he's big and huge. But I think the Lions want the mentality of someone who kicks ass.

Speaker 4:
[46:23] Craig, don't get it on your phones.

Speaker 2:
[46:24] Are you on your phone? Who are you calling? You're calling Dan Campbell or is it Minnesota?

Speaker 3:
[46:27] I just- I didn't sleep last night because I was on the phones. And so I needed a little juice. So I opened a kombucha and it spilled on my desk. Oh, no.

Speaker 2:
[46:35] This is why you get an IV and a bedpan.

Speaker 3:
[46:38] I needed some sustenance. OK, so the Lions, Monroe Freeling tackle. I think the next pick is another tackle. I think Minnesota is going to take Caden Proctor out of Alabama.

Speaker 2:
[46:47] Wait, I'm writing this down. Who did you give to the Jets?

Speaker 3:
[46:50] Monroe Freeling.

Speaker 2:
[46:52] Oh, wait, sorry.

Speaker 3:
[46:53] The Jets, Jermod McCoy, Lions, Monroe Freeling, Vikings, Caden Proctor.

Speaker 4:
[46:58] Heifetz, I'm tracking it in my mock drafting if you want to look at there.

Speaker 2:
[47:01] Oh, I'm keeping it tracked separately. I love that we're both not communicating as we track this. I was also writing this down.

Speaker 3:
[47:07] OK.

Speaker 2:
[47:09] So, yeah, that all tracks.

Speaker 3:
[47:12] Sure, yeah. You like that? I could see that.

Speaker 2:
[47:14] Yeah, no, I could see that. I could see that. Lions take a lineman. Yeah, Jets take a diving interceptions.

Speaker 3:
[47:19] I could definitely see that.

Speaker 2:
[47:20] I could see Jermod McCoy intercepting a pass. The Jets.

Speaker 3:
[47:23] Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 4:
[47:26] You know, it's funny.

Speaker 2:
[47:26] We've got emails from some people who can't make pictures in their minds. And so they literally can't and they can't see that.

Speaker 4:
[47:33] Right.

Speaker 3:
[47:33] Interesting.

Speaker 4:
[47:33] They could read it.

Speaker 2:
[47:34] They could think about. Yeah. Wait, so who gave him the Vikings here at 18?

Speaker 3:
[47:39] Kaden Proctor at Alabama. Show up the offensive line for Kyler.

Speaker 4:
[47:45] There we go.

Speaker 2:
[47:47] Do you think, but can Kyler see over Kaden Proctor? He's like six foot seven, almost six foot eight.

Speaker 4:
[47:53] It's all about passing lanes, guys.

Speaker 3:
[47:54] That's a good point. I didn't consider that.

Speaker 2:
[47:57] Just change that pick.

Speaker 4:
[47:59] Look, all of the offensive linemen are tall. We don't have to have this discussion.

Speaker 3:
[48:03] Would that actually matter to you that he is so tall and Kyler is so short? Like, does it actually factors in?

Speaker 2:
[48:08] If he was a guard or center, you have to bring it up during the four-month process. Tackle, probably not.

Speaker 3:
[48:13] If he's trying to hit a slant, he's got to throw over Kaden Proctor, it's going to be hard.

Speaker 4:
[48:18] All the Vikings interior linemen are like five, seven, just circles.

Speaker 2:
[48:25] It's like Tom Cruise. It's like everyone on the set has to be kind of short.

Speaker 3:
[48:31] Do you think Kyler Murray wears any kind of lifts in his shoes on the field?

Speaker 4:
[48:39] No.

Speaker 2:
[48:39] On the field?

Speaker 3:
[48:41] Like a padding maybe in the bottom of his shoe that gives him an inch. Why wouldn't you try it?

Speaker 4:
[48:49] It might mess with your balance and what not. You're like a giraffe out there.

Speaker 2:
[48:54] Considering you could have them custom make it for you, you know what? I see what you're saying. You make it lightweight.

Speaker 4:
[48:59] Why doesn't he get his legs lengthened? That's a surgery that you could definitely afford.

Speaker 2:
[49:03] You just break them. You break them in medieval.

Speaker 4:
[49:05] Whatever. What's it called?

Speaker 2:
[49:07] I don't know. There's a Wall Street Journal article about it.

Speaker 4:
[49:08] What is the word Clavicular does with his bones?

Speaker 2:
[49:11] Bone smashing. Yeah, you bone smash your legs.

Speaker 3:
[49:13] I got to say, since we talked about Clavicular, I think that man's gonna tear him.

Speaker 2:
[49:18] I think he peaked. I think he peaked when we... Yeah, it's kind of a downhill for that man.

Speaker 3:
[49:22] Okay, let's keep moving. The 19th pick, Carolina. I'm giving them a safety, Dylan Thienemann out of Oregon.

Speaker 4:
[49:27] There we go. Been waiting for this guy.

Speaker 3:
[49:30] Yeah. There's been connections with him. I think the Panthers could have gone in a bunch of different directions. I debated the tight end, Kenyon Sadiq for them, but they need safety help. There have been connections. The podcast that I'm listening to, that the two of you have never even fucking heard of, have connected Dylan Thienemann to Carolina.

Speaker 4:
[49:50] Interesting. Okay.

Speaker 3:
[49:51] All right. Next pick. Are you ready? Dallas, 20th.

Speaker 4:
[49:56] Ooh.

Speaker 3:
[49:58] Kendrick Falk, The End, Auburn. You like that? Wow.

Speaker 4:
[50:06] I could see that.

Speaker 3:
[50:06] You like that?

Speaker 2:
[50:07] I could see that.

Speaker 4:
[50:08] I can see that. This is also one that people have been saying. A lot of people have been saying this one, Craig.

Speaker 3:
[50:13] Your sources have been saying that?

Speaker 4:
[50:15] Yeah, yeah, yeah. The ones I've seen or heard from.

Speaker 2:
[50:18] I've heard other people talk about that.

Speaker 3:
[50:19] Oh, mock drafts are the fucking best. It's like the 20th pick, I think, even though a million things could have happened in the first 19, but the 20th, I think this is going to happen. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[50:31] You know the secret to picking the Cowboys pick is just going and reading Dane Bruegler's mock draft. Because he's like connected there. So we're fine.

Speaker 3:
[50:44] He's sourced up.

Speaker 4:
[50:45] Sure.

Speaker 2:
[50:45] Yeah, I do wonder if the Cowboys trade down. What did Bruegler have been doing? I do wonder if the Cowboys trade down from that pick because I kind of think they want CJ. Allen, who's like, I think the Cowboys trade back.

Speaker 3:
[50:56] The linebacker out of Georgia.

Speaker 2:
[50:58] Oh, yeah. Someone's going to trade up for linemen. I think the Cowboys want to pick back because they gave a second to the Jets. I think the Cowboys want a second rounder next year or a third rounder and they trade back like five spots and they take CJ. Allen anyway. It's my gut. But we'll see.

Speaker 3:
[51:13] DK.

Speaker 4:
[51:14] Yo.

Speaker 3:
[51:16] I want to talk about Pittsburgh at 21.

Speaker 2:
[51:18] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[51:20] I want to give them a tackle and somebody that can replace Roger Jones on the left side of the line. But I know guys like the kid, the guy at Arizona State whose last name I can't pronounce.

Speaker 4:
[51:31] Lomu. Oh, sorry. Oh, Hanechor. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[51:34] Yes. He's a right tackle, correct?

Speaker 4:
[51:36] He has played right tackle, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[51:38] Who's the left tackle? Is it Caleb Lomu? I want to give Pittsburgh somebody on the left side of the line.

Speaker 4:
[51:42] Yeah. It's Lomu would be, I think, sort of the answer there because he is a left tackle. He moves really, really well. I think the problem is he's just, he's known as a good pass blocker who needs to develop as a run blocker, which is pretty common coming out of college game right now. But he is, I think, more of a developmental guy. That is who I gave the Steelers in my mock job, Lomu. I don't know for sure if he's quote unquote Pittsburgh material or whatever that sort of thing.

Speaker 2:
[52:13] He might be soft.

Speaker 4:
[52:14] Right.

Speaker 3:
[52:16] I don't know. I mean, unfortunately, we're running out. Like Blake Miller.

Speaker 4:
[52:19] Yeah. If you can pass block though, they can teach you how to run block, I feel like. Pass blocking is more important.

Speaker 3:
[52:26] I think and Roger Jones can't do that.

Speaker 4:
[52:28] So well, Roger Jones also have a 43 year old quarterback. Get a guy who can pass.

Speaker 2:
[52:32] Well, you're not.

Speaker 3:
[52:33] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:33] Roger's won't say if he's coming back or not, which I still think that he literally this is entirely about. He was embarrassed by the pyramids thing for OTAs and was telling his back after it is. It's still embarrassing, though, that it's the draft that he like. Josh Allen's at OTAs and Rogers won't even tell them if he's coming back. Schefter, though, did write this week that this Roger Jones left tackle for Pittsburgh. He had a setback to his neck injury and is going to be reevaluated about whether he's going to be ready for training camp. So that's a bad start.

Speaker 4:
[53:00] This is a guy that Craig already had given up on anyway, by the way, before that happened.

Speaker 2:
[53:03] So I do think they need a left tackle.

Speaker 3:
[53:06] They definitely do. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[53:10] How do I feel about my Tomlin on it? So wait, which one are you giving? Are you giving them Caleb Lomu? Are you giving them Blake Miller or someone else?

Speaker 4:
[53:15] I think Lomu is the only real left tackle left.

Speaker 3:
[53:19] Let's go Lomu.

Speaker 4:
[53:20] Did you do Freeling already? Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[53:22] Freeling went to Detroit. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[53:24] Steelers might have to move up.

Speaker 2:
[53:25] Before we move on, Mike Tomlin going to be on NBC, Sunday football this year, or he's going to be on the desk, the pregame desk.

Speaker 3:
[53:32] He should be in the booth. He'll be great. He'll be fantastic. I do think that. I know sometimes it doesn't quite translate. Sometimes where it's like the really charismatic coaches like don't translate to the desk. But I do think Tomlin is going to be really good.

Speaker 2:
[53:45] Well, first of all, that show you did with McVeigh and Schrager, didn't you say Tomlin was your favorite guest, like both on and off camera? He was like the coolest guy.

Speaker 3:
[53:52] The fucking man. So was Raheem Morris. They were on together because they worked together in Tampa. He's just he's just the best.

Speaker 2:
[54:00] So I think Tomlin will be really good on television because even if he does the thing coaches do where they're like, I want to go back, so I'm not going to be mean to anybody. I'm not going to say anything honest. Tomlin has so many phrases that even if he speaks boilerplate phrases, as Tomlin is just like, if you go to half time and he's like, look, man, there's a thin line between squashing grapes and making wine. I'm like, yeah, fuck. Yeah, he's so right. Sure.

Speaker 4:
[54:24] It's going to charm the hell out of us. You know? OK, so we went Lomu.

Speaker 3:
[54:29] We went Lomu.

Speaker 4:
[54:31] I think that's fine.

Speaker 3:
[54:33] OK, the Chargers here at 22. You know, I struggled. It's like, I didn't know if I should give them another, in theory, have two good tackles who were both hurt last year. The guard situation at 22. I'm like, DK. I gave them Emmanuel McNeil Warren, the safety at a tornado, because I think they need safety help and he's just fucking sick. And the defense needs help and hardball going that way. Because I couldn't, if there was a Vega Juane there, I would have been like, absolutely. But I feel like in this spot, DK, is there a guard that you would slot in at 22?

Speaker 4:
[55:09] I mean, I don't know, if I'm looking, you could go with a guy like, well, a henichor from Arizona State we mentioned. I suppose you could move him to guard and have him play tackle if any of the guys get hurt again. So that could be like you get a little bit of that versatility. I think he's played a lot of guard. But you also have Blake Miller from Clemson, who was a tackle, but he could be a guard.

Speaker 3:
[55:35] There's the Oregon guy, Pregnon.

Speaker 4:
[55:37] Pregnon, you have Chase Basantis from Texas A&M. I think you and Rutledge from Georgia Tech. Those are guards that are rumored to be going in the first round.

Speaker 2:
[55:46] I know you're not doing trades, Craig, but I think that in this situation, one, the Chargers only have five picks and they tried to trade back in the first round last year. But with the Eagles, the Eagles tried to trade up for Oh, I'm forgetting his name, the Alabama.

Speaker 3:
[55:57] Oh, is Campbell. Chihak Campbell.

Speaker 4:
[56:00] Chihak.

Speaker 2:
[56:00] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[56:00] So the oh, they try to trade it for him.

Speaker 2:
[56:02] OK, the Eagles took Chihak Campbell, but they tried to trade up for Chihak Campbell, the Chargers, and the Eagles did not call in the pick on time. They like so they the Chargers had a pick on Marion Hampton. But I think the Chargers are going to move back just because they only have five selections. And if you take a guard, but the Brown, like the Eagles behind you want to tackle, the Browns behind you want to tackle, like other teams probably want to tackle. The Cardinals or Jets might want to move back up and get a quarterback, Ty Simpson. So I think the Chargers are a trade back. So that's just up to you, Craig, of how you want to do your fan fiction mock draft, of whether you want to connect player to team.

Speaker 3:
[56:32] I want to do, I'm not really doing trades. At the very end of the first round, I want to get into teams who I think could trade in for certain players. But I want to stick with, I'm just going to stick with my pick with McNeil Warren.

Speaker 2:
[56:44] So Emmanuel McNeil Warren.

Speaker 3:
[56:47] Which brings me to, you mentioned this Heifetz, 23 with the Eagles. I think they need tackle help. Lane Johnson's old. I'm going to give them the Arizona State guy, Max.

Speaker 4:
[56:54] Oh, that would be infuriating if they do that. Like in a good, like it was a good pick for them.

Speaker 2:
[56:59] That makes so, again, they replaced Jason, got Jason Kelsey's replacement at Center a year before Jason Kelsey retired. Lane Johnson's coming back this year, but he's been thinking about retirement. Getting Lane Johnson's replacement right tackle a year before Lane Johnson retires. It's just a no-brainer, especially with Jeff Stoutland, the offensive line coach being run out of town.

Speaker 4:
[57:16] I'm seeing the pronunciation, Craig, is e-hon-a-chore.

Speaker 3:
[57:19] E-hon-a-chore?

Speaker 4:
[57:21] That's, yeah, I think.

Speaker 3:
[57:23] I did think long and hard about if the Eagles trade AJ. Brown to wherever, to the Patriots. I did think about the Eagles just like taking Denzel Boston or something.

Speaker 2:
[57:33] That's worth talking about. Schafter basically, Adam Schafter basically reported that what has been rumored, and I think this is true, that the Eagles just have a handshake deal with the Patriots to deal AJ. Brown, and it's a mix of the Eagles want the lesser cap hit that they'll take if they do the trade after June 1, and I also think that's a little bit of a shield that Howie Roseman actually prefers the first round pick in 2027 and 2026, and I think that Howie Roseman, the back of his mind is, in theory, this is going to be about the money, but in practice, it's actually going to be about the Patriots might offer them the 31st pick now, but if the Patriots miss the playoffs next year, that could be like the 14th pick in a way stronger draft for the Eagles, and so I think that that is what, I do think the Eagles have that deal kind of in place with the Patriots and then AJ Brown's gone, so I agree, like they could go receiver here.

Speaker 3:
[58:22] Because to be honest, I think people, I don't know, we've talked a lot about like, I still don't know where I stand on if I'd rather be the team getting AJ Brown or losing AJ Brown, but the Eagles, if they don't, if they trade AJ Brown and it's like Devontae Smith, Dontavian Wicks, the offensive one, Marquise Brown and Dallas Goddard, I'm kind of like immediately worried about Philly's offense. There's like no number one on that team and they've struggled to run the ball last year and Jalen, I don't know, I think it's kind of dicey quickly, which is why I really considered like, maybe they do take a Denzel Boston who's like very different from all those wide receivers they have on the roster.

Speaker 2:
[59:04] I think that is though why the Eagles double down on the offensive line because it's one thing to have that receiving core, but you can't let them get bad. And so the other thing just worth noting, Schafter mentioned this is it seems like the Vikings are going to change Jonathan Grenard, who's like an edge rusher for the Vikings, who's been good. But they have Dallas Turner, and I think maybe Grenard wants to move on and get more money. I think the Eagles are the team to get Grenard. So I think the Eagles could go edge rusher, which they really have gone from the deepest team that they don't really have that many anymore to right tackle receiver. I think they draft right tackle round one. And I do think they trade a second or third rounder for Jonathan Grenard for the Vikings.

Speaker 3:
[59:37] Which, speaking of Denzel Boston, we have the Browns at 24. I'm giving them Denzel Boston. The Browns need a wide receiver desperately. There we go.

Speaker 4:
[59:44] We got Fano, or Fano, sorry, Spencer Fano at the sixth overall. And then you turn around and give them Denzel Boston.

Speaker 2:
[59:51] So the Travis Hunter trade in this situation would be the Browns trading, the pick that became Travis Hunter for the pick that became Mason Graham, the defensive tackle was great last year, and Denzel Boston, among other picks.

Speaker 4:
[60:02] One of my sources, Craig, his name is Daniel Jeremiah. I don't know if you've ever heard of him. I'm listening to shit that's really under the radar.

Speaker 3:
[60:08] Can you imagine if I was like, I've never heard of that guy.

Speaker 4:
[60:12] I think he said on a podcast that the worst kept secret or whatever is that the Browns want to come out of this draft with a tackle and a receiver with their first two picks. Who knows? Obviously, weird stuff happens, but that's exactly what you've done here.

Speaker 3:
[60:24] I mean, you can just look at their depth chart and kind of bring that conclusion.

Speaker 2:
[60:27] Maybe it's because their linemen are from-

Speaker 4:
[60:28] Who's got that kind of time, Craig?

Speaker 2:
[60:29] The linemen are from the Browns, the Texans, the Chargers, and then two years ago's Bears.

Speaker 4:
[60:37] Yeah. Just a Frankenstein offensive line. You got logs? I need logs. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[60:44] I love Denzel Boston, so it kind of pains me to put him in Cleveland, but I have to do it now.

Speaker 4:
[60:48] I'm already grimacing at who Cleveland picks this year. I'm just going to be sad about it.

Speaker 3:
[60:53] Part of me is like, literally, whatever wide receiver goes to the Browns, I'm like, well, he'll be irrelevant this year.

Speaker 2:
[60:59] I thought about if Cardinal take us to the Browns, what do we do with him? Should we just like, gentlemen's pack? Like, don't I?

Speaker 3:
[61:04] As I won't rank him.

Speaker 2:
[61:06] Like, you're like, well, we should put him in the seventh round. It's like, actually, there's no chance you're going to be happy on your team.

Speaker 4:
[61:11] None of the reports from the, I guess it was a non-mandatory OTAs or whatever out of Cleveland today. Dylan Gabriel is leading the group when they were doing seven on sevens. He threw a pick to a invite player who I don't even know. I didn't recognize the name.

Speaker 3:
[61:29] Coach's son? Who was it?

Speaker 4:
[61:30] Maybe, maybe, maybe it was just a ballboy guy. Picked him off, read his eyes, you know. And then I think who was second? Maybe it was either Chidora Watson and they also threw a pick. So not not like a great vibe start for the Browns offense so far.

Speaker 3:
[61:47] Tough, tough.

Speaker 5:
[61:51] I am not going to say what I'm thinking.

Speaker 4:
[61:52] God, if Boston goes to Browns, I'm going to be sad.

Speaker 3:
[61:54] I know. OK 25th pick, Chicago. I'm giving them the Chicago needs defensive line help, in my opinion. So I'm giving them Peter Woods. Ooh, a Clemson.

Speaker 4:
[62:05] Shy Halood.

Speaker 3:
[62:06] Shy Halood, which speaking of Shy Halood, we can get to Dune. I saw I saw some clips from that.

Speaker 2:
[62:12] Oh, I had that in my notes that at the end of this mock, you're going to tell us about the Dune Three trailer.

Speaker 3:
[62:17] I mean, unless you. Well, it's not the trailer.

Speaker 2:
[62:19] I saw the first seven minutes of the first 10 minutes of the movie. Honestly, just tell us right now.

Speaker 3:
[62:23] You want to know? I want to know.

Speaker 2:
[62:25] Wait, should we tell you at the end? All right, we'll do it at the. We'll do it later. We'll do it later.

Speaker 4:
[62:30] So you can just tell us later when we're not on a podcast that people listen to.

Speaker 3:
[62:33] No, we'll do it.

Speaker 2:
[62:35] I'm talking to two of you.

Speaker 3:
[62:36] Not like I'm saying. Do you want to know what happens or would you rather just see it when you see it?

Speaker 4:
[62:39] Oh, I want to.

Speaker 2:
[62:39] We'll do it at the at the after we say goodbye, you will tell us about the first 10 minutes of Dune and we'll figure out what we want to know or not. But that way we can throw the needle here.

Speaker 4:
[62:48] Craig, I read spoilers on online.

Speaker 2:
[62:52] So I'd rather just know.

Speaker 3:
[62:53] Your favorite part of the movie is the Wikipedia page.

Speaker 2:
[62:57] I don't know what I'm walking into here. I'm not going to watch The Quiet Place, but I read it on Wikipedia.

Speaker 4:
[63:00] I have only so much time on my hands.

Speaker 3:
[63:03] Sure. Okay, Bill's next up. TJ Parker, the defense event out of Clemson.

Speaker 4:
[63:08] Hey, that's what I did too.

Speaker 3:
[63:10] Hey, look at us. We must have the same sources. Interesting. Don't love that. My sources are usually exclusive to me.

Speaker 4:
[63:19] Who are they talking to?

Speaker 2:
[63:20] Do other people listen to this podcast?

Speaker 4:
[63:23] Craig, I just looked at their roster.

Speaker 3:
[63:25] So sometimes that is the best source.

Speaker 2:
[63:28] Who's got time for that?

Speaker 4:
[63:29] They need pass rushers.

Speaker 3:
[63:32] 49ers at 27, I gave them Blake Miller, the offensive tackle out of Clemson.

Speaker 2:
[63:36] There we go. I can see that.

Speaker 3:
[63:38] You can see that?

Speaker 4:
[63:38] You like that?

Speaker 2:
[63:39] I can see that.

Speaker 3:
[63:39] DK, wait, can you see that?

Speaker 2:
[63:41] I didn't say I like that. I said I can see it. I didn't say I like it.

Speaker 4:
[63:46] God damn it.

Speaker 2:
[63:47] I can see it.

Speaker 4:
[63:49] Well, he's been he's been very durable, which is important if you're going to San Francisco.

Speaker 2:
[63:54] One of the other funny things about the draft is sometimes they'll have all these stats and stuff and then line minutes. Blake Miller, 47 starts and then there's nothing else.

Speaker 3:
[64:01] Yeah. Best ability is availability.

Speaker 4:
[64:04] I heard he like broke his leg or something and he only missed one one offseason practice.

Speaker 2:
[64:08] Sick.

Speaker 3:
[64:08] I mean, that matters. His bones are about to disintegrate near the substation, so he needs all the help he can get.

Speaker 4:
[64:14] To disintegrate.

Speaker 2:
[64:16] How should it just do bone testing?

Speaker 3:
[64:19] Okay. The Texans here at 28. I'm giving them Kenyon Sadik, the tight end of Oregon.

Speaker 4:
[64:24] The Texans.

Speaker 3:
[64:25] Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2:
[64:28] That's not what I heard on other podcasts.

Speaker 3:
[64:31] I agree with Heifetz in that I think Kenyon Sadik slightly overrated. I think he's going to go a little bit later than people think. And I think Houston outside of Nico Collins. I don't think there's, I mean, you have Jaden Higgins, who's like a good solid rookie year of Jalen Noll. The tight end, they extended 30 year old Dalton Schultz for one more season. The Texans weirdly like don't need a whole lot. And they just need CJ Stroud to play well. And maybe Kenyon Sadik can help with that a little bit.

Speaker 4:
[65:03] I think he would help a lot in their screen game, because he's good blocking in space. He's also good at catching screens and running. He's got a ton of speed. So it's like kind of an extension of the run game a little bit. He could help out in both the pass game and the run game, I think. So yeah, this is a good pick. I had him going this next pick.

Speaker 3:
[65:20] To the Chiefs.

Speaker 4:
[65:21] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[65:22] I gave the Chiefs, as we said earlier, the Chiefs lost both corners. So I gave them Chris Johnson at SDSU, the cornerback. There we go. I think the Chiefs getting a tackle in a corner makes sense. And I think that their wide receiver room is fine.

Speaker 2:
[65:37] I like that. I like that.

Speaker 3:
[65:39] And you can see that?

Speaker 4:
[65:39] I can see that. I can see that.

Speaker 2:
[65:41] You can see it or you like it?

Speaker 3:
[65:42] I think the Chiefs are just going to take a receiver.

Speaker 4:
[65:44] I can see it.

Speaker 3:
[65:45] You can see it?

Speaker 4:
[65:46] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[65:47] I like it.

Speaker 3:
[65:48] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[65:48] And I see it.

Speaker 3:
[65:50] Okay. Continuing to, we're almost done. The 30th pick, Miami. Miami has literally no wide receivers. I'm giving them Casey Concepcion out of A&M.

Speaker 2:
[66:02] I like that. I like that.

Speaker 3:
[66:03] You like that? Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[66:05] I like that.

Speaker 3:
[66:05] Thank you. That means a lot. And then, okay, so the last two picks, I feel like the Patriots and the Seahawks, I'm giving them, I think people are going to be trading in, not necessarily for those two picks, but I think Ty Simpson and Omar Cooper will be selected in the first round. And I'm just penciling in the Cardinals trade up for Ty Simpson at 31 and the Jets trade up for Omar Cooper at 32.

Speaker 4:
[66:32] The Jets. Oh, okay.

Speaker 3:
[66:33] The Jets.

Speaker 4:
[66:33] Interesting. Wait, who the Jets took? McCoy, Jermod McCoy and Arvel Ries. And they trade up for a receiver. That makes sense. I could see him fitting on the Jets in their receiving group.

Speaker 3:
[66:44] You could see it?

Speaker 4:
[66:45] Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Like if you're building a basketball team at receiver, we'll run after catch. He's tough, physical.

Speaker 3:
[66:53] I do think Ty Simpson is going to go in the first round. And I think someone's going to trade up for him.

Speaker 4:
[66:57] And to get that fifth year.

Speaker 3:
[66:58] You have to get the fifth year. And so I think there will be movement at the end of the first round for guys like Ty Simpson and a wide receiver, like maybe Omar Cooper. And there you have it.

Speaker 4:
[67:08] I like that. I see it. CXGM John Schneider had a press conference yesterday and he basically was begging anyone that wants to move up. Please, we'll take anything to move back. We desperately want to move back. We only have four picks, which maybe indicates that not a lot of people want to trade up. But I think once we get to like on the clock here, it might materialize.

Speaker 2:
[67:31] Wait, Craig, hold on before we finalize this. Are you are you getting another call?

Speaker 3:
[67:38] Hold on. Omar, what's going on? You gonna fuck us again, take a shitty Alabama tackle? You son of a bitch.

Speaker 4:
[67:49] By the way, not Omar Cooper, that's Omar Khan.

Speaker 3:
[67:52] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[67:54] He's probably a terrible receiver too.

Speaker 3:
[67:56] I heard from Aaron last night.

Speaker 4:
[67:57] Are you gonna fuck us or what?

Speaker 3:
[67:58] Aaron's gonna sign this week, don't you worry. Yep. All right.

Speaker 2:
[68:03] Wait, ask him how the pyramids are.

Speaker 3:
[68:07] I did go to the pyramids there in last year. So I'm hoping to go again, but he'll be there early August. He'll be there. All right. I'll see you. All right. That's just Omar. That's okay. I call him okay.

Speaker 5:
[68:22] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[68:24] Cause that's how I feel about his draft strategy.

Speaker 5:
[68:27] Right.

Speaker 3:
[68:27] It's okay. Actually, he's not been terrible. Anyway, that is that's the conclusion of of my mock. I feel really good about it.

Speaker 5:
[68:35] All right.

Speaker 2:
[68:36] So a continuation of this, a brief continual or any other takeaways. I have an email that that is a really good segue from the mock. But if there's any other takeaways to the mock or anything. Well, first of all, just a reminder, we're going to have a show off the Thursday night round one Friday night. Round two, we'll have a wrap up on Sunday. We'll have more than like two more shows next week. And then again, every week, all year, like all summer, like we're not going anywhere. We are going places, but we will have an episode every week. And then stick with us for Fantasy season. If you discovered this during the draft, then you were...

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[69:05] You could maybe go to the playoffs if you listen.

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Speaker 2:
[70:59] With that said, can I read you guys an email?

Speaker 3:
[71:01] Yeah, please, please.

Speaker 2:
[71:03] So this is great for DK because Craig just said that CX are trading out, but this is a great email from Tommy or T-Bone.

Speaker 4:
[71:09] T-Bone.

Speaker 2:
[71:11] So T-Bone emailed in. Tommy!

Speaker 3:
[71:17] Why is that funny to you?

Speaker 4:
[71:18] I don't know why that got me.

Speaker 3:
[71:20] Tommy!

Speaker 2:
[71:23] So Tommy writes that this was a take purge, but it was really something else. He says, basically, my take purge is I don't think the CX are going to draft a running back this year at all.

Speaker 4:
[71:32] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[71:32] And he says, every mock draft I see has the CX either take engineering price at a Notre Dame at the end of the first round or Mike Washington Jr. at the end of the second round. And I understand the conventional wisdom here due to the CX lost Ken Walker and free agency was the SuperLVP and Zach Charbonneau might miss a huge shunk or the whole season with an ACL tear. And however, basically, yada yada yada, Thomas's email here is Tommy here. He says basically, he really doesn't think the CX take a running back. So he says, I want to tell you, here are the terms of the bet. This is Tommy. Here are the terms of the bet I made with my friend, who's also a CX fan. Okay. If the CX draft a running back with their first pick, either the first round or just the first pick the CX make, I owe my friend $200 and he gets to kick me in the nuts as hard as he can.

Speaker 3:
[72:14] Oh, my.

Speaker 2:
[72:16] If the CX draft a running back anywhere else on day two, but not with their first pick, I owe him $100. Nobody gets kicked in the nuts. If the CX draft a running back on day three, so four, five, six, seven, the rounds, four, five, six, seven, then my friend owes me $100, but no one gets kicked. But if the CX do not draft a running back this year, my friend owes me $200. I get to kick him in the nuts as hard as I can. And he has to buy me around a golf at Chambers Bay, which is worth $150.

Speaker 3:
[72:43] When? A year from now when they've recovered from their nut kicks?

Speaker 2:
[72:47] Not specified. So, DK, I want to ask you, since we're a very serious draft show, you know, Craig's your insider, you're a draft expert. Do you think Thomas is getting kicked in the nuts? Or do you think he's going to get to kick someone else in the nuts?

Speaker 4:
[73:01] I think there's a good chance he gets kicked in the nuts. I lean no, he's not going to get kicked in the nuts. I lean no, but I wouldn't make that bet, frankly.

Speaker 2:
[73:13] What if it was with me? What if you got to kick me in the nuts? Because I know you want it.

Speaker 4:
[73:17] Right.

Speaker 2:
[73:17] So like, would you take the bet?

Speaker 4:
[73:20] Yeah, that's an interesting variable. Like, how much does he hate this guy? That's his friend.

Speaker 2:
[73:24] But imagine if it's like me. Let's assume that it's like a me and you really love it.

Speaker 4:
[73:28] I don't want to kick you in the nuts. We have like funny arguments. I don't that doesn't mean I hate you and I want to kick you in the nuts.

Speaker 3:
[73:34] Also, getting kicked in the nuts is like way more aggressive than it sounds. Like, I feel like saying the phrase, oh, you get kicked in the nuts. You think of like a funny comedy and a guy. If you actually fully kick somebody in the nuts, it's like one of the most painful things that could happen to you.

Speaker 2:
[73:50] So based on the scene, how old do you think these guys are?

Speaker 4:
[73:54] Third college.

Speaker 2:
[73:57] Yeah, he put his age. He's 41.

Speaker 4:
[73:58] Okay. Drew up on Jackass.

Speaker 3:
[74:01] You know what? That makes sense because they've probably already had kids and it doesn't matter anymore.

Speaker 4:
[74:05] Right. Right.

Speaker 2:
[74:05] He's almost 40.

Speaker 4:
[74:06] Is everybody sniffed in this situation? Is there like implications here?

Speaker 2:
[74:10] Maybe you could discount.

Speaker 3:
[74:12] It's kind of crazy that for how often dudes get hit in the nuts, sometimes very violently, that like the testicles are okay.

Speaker 4:
[74:24] Generally, the testicles are okay.

Speaker 3:
[74:27] You know what I mean? Think about how many times you've been hitting nuts in your life and like those things are just hanging down there.

Speaker 4:
[74:32] It is crazy that they're outside your body.

Speaker 3:
[74:35] Yes, just hanging around and they're like they're very vulnerable, very vulnerable part of the human body. And I would say they're not the most structurally sound. They feel penetrable.

Speaker 4:
[74:45] Like a lot of a lot of the most important organs in the body are protected by fucking bones, like a rib cage of bones. Your your testicles, though, they're just in a bag.

Speaker 3:
[74:59] You're brain surrounded by a fucking skull and your testicles are just hanging out.

Speaker 2:
[75:06] Brain gets a bone wall. Heart gets a bone cage.

Speaker 3:
[75:10] Oh, I can't believe that, like when you get kicked in the nuts, your testicles just doesn't explode immediately.

Speaker 4:
[75:15] Well, sometimes it does, Craig.

Speaker 3:
[75:16] I know it does, but I'm surprised it doesn't.

Speaker 2:
[75:18] Well, I think those people lost millions of years ago or lost evolution, like I guess.

Speaker 4:
[75:24] Yeah, it is interesting.

Speaker 3:
[75:25] Yeah, maybe testicles are much more resilient. They must be than I'm aware of.

Speaker 4:
[75:29] I don't think they're that resilient.

Speaker 3:
[75:31] People get hit in the nuts all the time. I know.

Speaker 2:
[75:34] It is funny though, the phrase, oh, it takes balls to do that. It's like balls are pretty weak and pathetic.

Speaker 4:
[75:39] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[75:39] I mean, the slightest tap can give you nausea for 10 minutes. It's true.

Speaker 2:
[75:45] It's like I have a headache.

Speaker 3:
[75:46] It's great. You have to like bend over and breathe for seven minutes.

Speaker 4:
[75:53] It's just like the international signal of getting hit in the nuts. Like there was a game a couple of weeks ago where Cal Raleigh, the Mariners catcher, took a ball that like ricocheted off the ground right into his nuts, and he just just doubled over. I think the only thing that you double over from is getting hit in the nuts. And he was just sitting there like breathing it out. And all the announcers, everybody in the fucking stadium know exactly what happened, and they're just like kind of chuckling it off. You know, like he's going to need a minute. But yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 2:
[76:25] Someone sent us this video the other day to the email that was two dads playing cornhole, but they weren't playing cornhole. They were lying underneath the cornhole boards, and they positioned their nuts underneath the circle, and it was just the winner was just whoever hit the other. But they were like lying. They were like lying down, throwing them like this from over their heads, trying to hit the bullseye in the cornhole, and the winner hit each other in the nuts first. And I got to tell you, I thought it was one of the best videos I've seen on Instagram in years. I just couldn't wait.

Speaker 3:
[76:54] Something that women would never think of in a million years.

Speaker 2:
[76:58] Send it. We want more of those games. So send us more emails, more things that men do that women wouldn't do.

Speaker 4:
[77:04] It's funny how we'd laugh so hard at people getting hit in the nuts. Like America's Funniest Home Videos, the early years, I'd say like 35% of the videos were just a guy getting hit in the nuts.

Speaker 3:
[77:14] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[77:14] Why did we evolve that way where we're just like, it's so funny. It's just like he got hit in the nuts. We're like, he's out. He's gone.

Speaker 3:
[77:20] It is actually an interesting question. Why is it funny? I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[77:23] Why is pain so funny?

Speaker 3:
[77:25] Like I understand why a fart is funny.

Speaker 4:
[77:26] Most injuries are that funny. Like when you watch most injuries, you're not like, haha, hilarious.

Speaker 2:
[77:31] You're never concerned for someone who got hit in the nuts.

Speaker 4:
[77:32] You're just like, oh, that must have hurt.

Speaker 3:
[77:34] Yeah, because you know, a slip and a fall like a pratfall in old movies, like a Charlie Chaplin. Honestly, it's probably like from that era. Do you think getting hit in the nuts was funny a thousand years ago or was that recent?

Speaker 2:
[77:45] Oh, that's a great question.

Speaker 4:
[77:47] Is it like a universal truth in human history?

Speaker 3:
[77:50] Yeah. Was it like Charlie Chaplin getting hit in the nuts and everyone laughed in a movie theater and then it became popular or has it always been around?

Speaker 2:
[77:57] You know, there's like uncontacted tribes in Brazil.

Speaker 4:
[77:59] Like we should see if like if you if we kick so if we get kicked in the nuts there, like do they show them the video of the old man getting hit in the nuts with the football from the Simpsons and see if they laugh? Isn't that what it's from? I'm trying to remember.

Speaker 3:
[78:13] I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[78:14] How could this how could you confuse the Simpsons with any other media?

Speaker 4:
[78:17] I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's from the Simpsons. But anyway, it is interesting. Anyway, this guy wants to kick his friend in the nuts. I feel like that's an interesting friendship. They really want to kick each other in the nuts.

Speaker 3:
[78:28] I would never do that.

Speaker 4:
[78:28] I want to know more.

Speaker 3:
[78:29] I would never kick either of you in the nuts anymore.

Speaker 2:
[78:32] Emails ringerfantasyfootball.gmail.com if you know when kicking people, the balls became funny or if it always was funny.

Speaker 3:
[78:39] I want to get an email that says my dad invented kicking someone in the nuts.

Speaker 4:
[78:46] Invented it.

Speaker 2:
[78:48] Oh, look, Craig's getting a call. Dad, did you invent this? OK, we got an email here from I'm redacting their name.

Speaker 4:
[78:55] Oh, redacted our bone.

Speaker 2:
[78:58] This is so breakfast, everything, bagel, breakfast, everything, bagel, half with almond butter, half of the cream cheese all over and a handful of blackberries and over and again. You said everything bagel with almond butter, half almond butter, half mixed berry cream cheese with a handful of blackberries and a glass of chocolate milk.

Speaker 3:
[79:17] Oh, chocolate milk, chocolate milk. Jesus.

Speaker 4:
[79:21] Chocolate milk is like a vice. It's too good.

Speaker 2:
[79:24] But also, if you work out a lot, then you're like, you know, it's actually pretty good workout. You like, fuck, that's sick. OK, so last was it two episodes ago, we talked about, we have this consulting firm we're going to start called Name Brand and we're going to people's names so they get better branding. Again, Marvin Harrison, Jr., great brand, you know, Kyle Harrison sucks. So this email is from I'm redacting it. He says, I work for a large home builder. Somehow the responsibility to pitch names on new communities has fallen to me.

Speaker 4:
[79:55] I feel like we've heard this exact lie.

Speaker 2:
[79:57] We were offered it and we didn't respond. So hence to someone else. So now he says, basically, whenever a new community needs a name, I come up with some names, check for trademark infringement, and then I send the batch directly to management who selects a name. And I remember in a past episode, you wanted to name a street Cloys Box Lane or something stupid and figured this would be a fun opportunity for you all to potentially name an entire neighborhood. So if you have a name that you'd like to throw out for the community, let me know. And I'll add it to my next batch. Keep in mind, name needs to be somewhat defensible. I'll submit what you want. But if you ask me to submit a name like Piss Club Park, it's suddenly not going to work. So I think emails at ringerfantasyfootball.gmail.com. If you're listening to the show, you have some ideas. But we need to figure out what we want to submit, some submissions to name this neighborhood.

Speaker 3:
[80:40] We need to find the perfect blend of. Funny, but also we can get away with it. Yep, it's going to be right on that line.

Speaker 4:
[80:49] The corner of Clark and Hogback.

Speaker 2:
[80:51] Yeah, we get a corner of. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[80:53] Is this a street or the name of a neighborhood?

Speaker 2:
[80:55] Neighborhood. But if we're lucky, we they have a lot of streets that they name in neighborhoods and we could just go bananas inside.

Speaker 3:
[81:00] I think we can't just go bananas. What's the name of the neighborhood in Arrested Development, Southern Valley?

Speaker 4:
[81:08] Yeah, yeah. No, that just sounds like a like a salad dressing.

Speaker 3:
[81:11] Yeah. We should. What if we call it Hidden Valley?

Speaker 4:
[81:18] But speaking of that, did we get a bunch of request? Something for the Arrested Development quote that the guy.

Speaker 2:
[81:24] Oh, we got. Oh, I have those two.

Speaker 4:
[81:25] Yeah. OK.

Speaker 2:
[81:26] Don't worry.

Speaker 4:
[81:28] This is a good one. Think of a neighborhood name.

Speaker 2:
[81:31] Can we stop Cloyce? She was called Neighborhood Cloyce. If we imagine the Cloyce box, the Cloyce. Imagine we named a real life neighborhood in America, Cloyce. And there were hundreds of people that lived in a place that we named Cloyce.

Speaker 3:
[81:42] I live in Cloyce.

Speaker 4:
[81:43] Yeah, Cloyce.

Speaker 3:
[81:45] Fern?

Speaker 4:
[81:46] Fern Box. Her name was Fern Box. Cloyce never gets old.

Speaker 2:
[81:54] Okay, email us if you know what we should call this neighborhood. I also asked you a couple of episodes. Go to email us. So again, there's a pastor who's now the substitute pastor at his church, and he fills in and he asked us to. He always slips in an Arrested Development quote into a sermon, and he asked us for Easter. We missed the deadline, but the next time he fills in, he's going to do it. And so we asked for some suggestions of a line he has to slip in, and they can't be sexual or curse or anything. The ones, my favorite ones that people emailed in were, one, just, I mean, Steve Holt.

Speaker 3:
[82:27] Just hands up.

Speaker 2:
[82:28] Steve Holt.

Speaker 3:
[82:28] Steve Holt. Just kind of slip him into the Bible.

Speaker 2:
[82:31] Yeah. My favorite was someone... Has anyone in this family even seen a chicken?

Speaker 3:
[82:37] K-k-k-k-chah!

Speaker 2:
[82:40] Has anyone in this family even seen a chicken?

Speaker 3:
[82:42] K-k-k-chah! Chah, chi-chah, chi-chah. I don't know why.

Speaker 4:
[82:49] That's probably the best bit from the show. None of them know how to do a chicken. Oh, man.

Speaker 2:
[83:06] Someone also suggested, I'm going to hit the Joe, but he's like, I'm going to turn a hundred dollars into a hundred pennies.

Speaker 4:
[83:12] He shoots them out of his sleeve. That's good.

Speaker 2:
[83:20] I honestly, I think the answer is, does anyone in this family even see the chicken?

Speaker 4:
[83:23] I think that's so good. The funniest part about the job thing, shooting pennies out of his sleeve is like, all the people in the board meeting are ravenously trying to get all the pennies. Like they have no money in their life.

Speaker 2:
[83:40] Email is more of those, but yeah, I also think neighborhood names. Oh my God.

Speaker 4:
[83:43] Has anyone in this family even seen a chicken? That's up there. God.

Speaker 2:
[83:49] You know what else I just randomly reminded me of? When she's like, oh, what's the sister's name?

Speaker 4:
[83:58] Oh, fuck. What is it? Lindsay.

Speaker 2:
[84:00] Lindsay. And Lindsay is like, I'm going to the Wetlands fundraiser. He's like, are you trying to save the wetlands and destroy the wetlands? And she's like, Oh, hmm. All right. Another one here from Scott. Scott, as a rock, Scotty checked if this was your brother. Breakfast is 20 ounces black coffee, a couple of spoons of peanut butter.

Speaker 3:
[84:23] So this is about Craig to have a simple spoons of peanut butter.

Speaker 4:
[84:26] I don't know. So protein probably takes a while or something.

Speaker 3:
[84:30] It's a lollipop.

Speaker 4:
[84:32] Stuck to the roof of your mouth.

Speaker 3:
[84:34] Licking that thing all morning.

Speaker 2:
[84:40] So like the dog with peanut butter on the roof of your mouth. Craig, you know, we don't really delve into the take purge. You know, I don't really know who I wasn't there. But the what? I don't know. But somebody milled in. Apparently, Craig had been talking about sleeping underneath his pillow.

Speaker 3:
[84:56] I said that on the take purge. Oh, boy.

Speaker 2:
[85:00] And Craig wants to burrow under his pillow, quote, like a dachshund.

Speaker 4:
[85:04] Is that what you said? Interesting.

Speaker 3:
[85:07] I have no memory of that.

Speaker 2:
[85:08] So Scott emailed in, I like Craig sleep under my pillow, on my stomach, looking to burrow. And from ages 11 to 21, I slept on a 1970s style couch that was built to last, baby. And the cushions were worn perfectly. So the couch was always pushing your body into the back or crevasse of the couch, giving me an auto burrow. He says, I sleep with my elbows out, hands in under my neck and face. It is an amazing sleeping position with one drawback. Every week or two, I wake up with both arms dead asleep.

Speaker 4:
[85:40] I know. That's what I was going to say. You have to switch because your arms fall asleep.

Speaker 3:
[85:43] Oh, I don't do that. So he sleeps like this?

Speaker 2:
[85:47] Yeah, I think so. And they've become guardrails to keep me from rolling over to my back to get the feeling back. And so, yeah, he basically says, I want to know if Craig has this experience that Craig's arms fall asleep while he burrows.

Speaker 3:
[85:57] I don't do that. The elbow is out under my head.

Speaker 2:
[85:59] What do you do?

Speaker 4:
[86:02] Just arms down by your sides, just like flat on the ground.

Speaker 3:
[86:06] Definitely sometimes. It's like I said, it's why growing up, my mom thought I was dead every morning. I lay there like a corpse.

Speaker 2:
[86:16] When did you feel comfortable? What does Liz make of this when she walks in and you're just like sleeping there dead with your arms by your side?

Speaker 3:
[86:23] We've been together long enough, this is what it is.

Speaker 2:
[86:25] But the first time must have been pretty rattling.

Speaker 3:
[86:27] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[86:28] My friend Brian sleeps like a vampire. He sleeps like a fucking crypt. He stares at the ceiling and his hands are just... And his wife now, the first time she saw that, she was like, Jesus, that is disconcerting.

Speaker 3:
[86:38] You know what's nice about it though? While it is a little bit quirky, I'm not bothersome. I'm just kind of doing my own little thing. I'm not spreading out. I'm easy to deal with in that regard.

Speaker 2:
[86:50] You'll be shocked to learn I'm not.

Speaker 3:
[86:52] I'm sure all over the place. Night terrors.

Speaker 4:
[86:58] Jesus Christ. I don't even want to know.

Speaker 2:
[87:00] Helicopter legs. Oh, my God.

Speaker 3:
[87:02] Lens are going everywhere.

Speaker 2:
[87:05] I'm just like at war with the sheiks.

Speaker 4:
[87:06] I'm just like, Jesus Christ pulling them. You got to do the European thing where each of you guys have your own blanket. Oh, well, actually, that's a good relationship.

Speaker 2:
[87:17] Actually, that's a good idea. I'm going to look into that right when we get off the show.

Speaker 3:
[87:20] You know what I've always felt? I think that if you have the luxury of doing it, I understand this requires some money. But I think married couples should have different master bathrooms.

Speaker 4:
[87:30] Oh, master bathrooms. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[87:31] I think it's just what you think.

Speaker 4:
[87:34] I thought he was going to say different beds. I was like, this is an interesting take. Here we go.

Speaker 3:
[87:38] No, although to each their own. But no, different bathrooms. Look, you know, you kind of keep the mystery alive.

Speaker 4:
[87:45] Yeah, I totally agree with this. I totally agree with this.

Speaker 3:
[87:48] If you could somehow do it, I know that'd be weird to have two bathrooms in the same room. But that would be weird if you could. Like, imagine it was like one side of the bed, you get out, you walk in that direction. That's one bathroom. And there's another one on the other side of the room. That would be great.

Speaker 2:
[88:02] And one has like really nice hand towels and nice soap. One just has like one towel that hasn't been washed in months, clearly.

Speaker 3:
[88:09] And it has like a flat screen TV from like 2004 on the wall in there.

Speaker 4:
[88:14] I think it's very common, though, Craig, in households with multiple bathrooms where the man has like a shitting place.

Speaker 3:
[88:21] Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's got to go downstairs to shit in his little hut. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[88:26] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[88:27] That's we should blow that one up all you want.

Speaker 3:
[88:29] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[88:30] Yeah. You got one that you blow up.

Speaker 3:
[88:31] I do agree with that in principle.

Speaker 4:
[88:34] I do, too. Yeah. To keep the mystery alive.

Speaker 2:
[88:40] An e-mail from here from Connor.

Speaker 3:
[88:42] Connor! Conbon!

Speaker 2:
[88:45] Conbon. Breakfast is bacon, egg and cheese on an English muffin, the smoothie. Fuck yeah. The Super Bowl should be a best of three.

Speaker 3:
[88:53] Whoa.

Speaker 2:
[88:55] Blew my mind.

Speaker 3:
[88:56] Played once a week?

Speaker 2:
[88:58] It should be three weeks in a row. And there should be three Super Bowls, three Super Bowls, three weeks in a row should be a series. And the best of three wins.

Speaker 4:
[89:04] We don't have time for that.

Speaker 3:
[89:06] You know who would love that? The fucking NFL.

Speaker 2:
[89:08] I read that and I was like, I don't know about this, but the NFL in 30 years when they're running out of ways to make money is going to be like, yeah, private equity and you know, that more games own the Seahawks. They're going to be like, fuck it. Best of three Super Bowl.

Speaker 3:
[89:20] Three halftime performances.

Speaker 2:
[89:22] Could you imagine though? It's kind of an incredible idea. I feel like in 50 years, this actually might happen.

Speaker 4:
[89:28] I mean, it would be more fair, but yeah.

Speaker 3:
[89:30] Is the game shorter in any way or is it just three full games?

Speaker 2:
[89:35] No, it's the same game. One neutral site, one in each stadium.

Speaker 3:
[89:39] Oh, interesting. Is the rubber match is in a neutral stadium. Maybe the first game, the team that's favored or the higher seed gets the first game at home.

Speaker 2:
[89:50] Something like that. I don't know. Yeah. This is doable. I see you think everyone's listening to this. Half the people probably like your idiots. One person at the NFL is like, Oh, my God. How have we not thought?

Speaker 4:
[89:59] But you're not doing the rest of the playoffs as series.

Speaker 3:
[90:01] It's all. I can't. No, no, no. Just the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4:
[90:03] Too many games, dude.

Speaker 2:
[90:05] I it's so dumb, but it's it's I think it's the highest level thing I could actually be like it's 30 years to like, Yeah, no, we're going to do that.

Speaker 3:
[90:15] There's something there.

Speaker 2:
[90:16] Maybe there's something there. A lot of people sent us this. The Met. Did you guys see this trade in baseball this week?

Speaker 3:
[90:23] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[90:24] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[90:24] Then the I got tagged in this a lot. They said that the all time all time name, the Met, the Washington Nationals made a deal with the Mets. They traded cash for Dick Love Lady Richard.

Speaker 4:
[90:40] Please, Richard Love Lady is Richard.

Speaker 2:
[90:42] I was traded for cash considerations.

Speaker 3:
[90:44] There's just something funny about Dick Love Lady paying cash for for Dick.

Speaker 2:
[90:49] Cash for Dick.

Speaker 4:
[90:52] Cash considerations for Dick Love Lady.

Speaker 3:
[90:54] Where did the Love Lady Love Lady surname?

Speaker 4:
[90:56] I need to hear the history of the Love Lady surname.

Speaker 2:
[90:58] Who gave a child last name Love Lady and they're like, we're going to go with Richard.

Speaker 4:
[91:03] I mean, parents, I don't know, man.

Speaker 3:
[91:07] Do you think he got a lot of like rich loves ladies growing up? Yeah, Love Lady is kind of a cool last name. Dick changes things, but Love Lady is kind of cool.

Speaker 2:
[91:18] Dick Love Lady.

Speaker 3:
[91:19] His name is Richard Tyler Love Lady. Dickey. Wikipedia says his nickname is Dickey.

Speaker 4:
[91:25] Dickey Love Lady. God, I think this guy's 30.

Speaker 2:
[91:28] He's like, he's our garage. Craig is a 30 year old guy.

Speaker 3:
[91:31] He's married to his wife's name is Maddie.

Speaker 2:
[91:35] Maddie Love Lady.

Speaker 3:
[91:36] Maddie Love Lady.

Speaker 2:
[91:37] Without the Dickey, it's really fine.

Speaker 3:
[91:39] Love Lady is kind of cool.

Speaker 2:
[91:40] The Dickey is wild.

Speaker 3:
[91:42] That's yeah.

Speaker 4:
[91:45] Apparently, there's a I'm looking up the etymology of this name. It started out as a nickname and then just kind of stuck as a last name.

Speaker 3:
[91:52] So it was literally like this guy loves Lady.

Speaker 4:
[91:54] It was like old Dickey Love Lady over here. And it's just like and then he'd fast that name onto his son.

Speaker 3:
[92:02] Right. Old Dick's for hands over here. And then 100 years later, some guy's name is Andrew Dick's for hands.

Speaker 4:
[92:08] Dick's for hands. It's German.

Speaker 2:
[92:12] Jeremiah Peta Singers.

Speaker 3:
[92:14] Old Motormouth over there.

Speaker 4:
[92:16] The name appeared in Yorkshire, England, as early as 1297. Old Dick Love Lady.

Speaker 2:
[92:25] Oh my God. Okay, after we say goodbye, we can figure out a way to figure out what level spoiler we want, but we can talk about doing right now.

Speaker 3:
[92:34] We can talk about doing right now. And if people want to hear it again, nothing.

Speaker 2:
[92:37] It's the first 10 minutes of doing three, but you saw the, where were you again?

Speaker 3:
[92:41] Seven. How many times did I say? I saw not 10, seven.

Speaker 4:
[92:50] All right, I can see that, I can see that.

Speaker 3:
[92:54] Again, it's not, there's no like crazy spoiler. I could just describe the scene, but some people I know are very, and I totally get it, like don't want to know anything.

Speaker 2:
[93:02] All right, well, if you don't want to know anything about Dune Three.

Speaker 3:
[93:05] Turn it off, if you don't want to know anything.

Speaker 2:
[93:07] Craig saw all 10 minutes of Dune Three, he's gonna tell us the entire movie.

Speaker 4:
[93:15] I'm losing it.

Speaker 3:
[93:17] We saw it at Cinemacon and it blew my fucking face off. I was vibrating in my seat. It was, I think, better than any footage from either of the first two movies. Oh, wow.

Speaker 4:
[93:29] Can you give any context of what's happening or is that too much of a spoiler?

Speaker 3:
[93:32] Yes. I mean, it's, it's.

Speaker 2:
[93:34] If you don't want to hear this part, turn it off.

Speaker 3:
[93:36] I would describe it as saving Private Ryan in space.

Speaker 2:
[93:40] Oh, my God.

Speaker 3:
[93:41] It's basically like it's like fucking storming Normandy, but like in Dune with with space alien technology or whatever you want to call it. There's like an there's like a giant space turret, laser turret that is descending upon this beach. And it is fucking unbelievable. I've never seen like a laser feel and rattle me the way that this did in this movie.

Speaker 4:
[94:07] It blew my face off.

Speaker 2:
[94:09] So it's like the beginning of Saving Private Ryan when they're storming the turret.

Speaker 3:
[94:12] Yes, the first like 20 minutes or 15 minute scene of Saving Private Ryan when you're just like, it's so visceral and you're just in it and you're like in the sand with all these people and you're like things are falling off, you know, the debris is going everywhere. It feels like that. But in the world of Dune and when the clip ended, everybody like looked at one another and was like, oh shit, it's like an exhale and a slow clap.

Speaker 4:
[94:39] It was like truly an edge of your seat experience type of deal.

Speaker 3:
[94:42] I can't wait. That's awesome. That's sick.

Speaker 2:
[94:44] Wait, when is Dune Three coming out?

Speaker 3:
[94:46] December.

Speaker 4:
[94:47] Do you have any other memorable movie experiences that you've had a similar like visceral reaction other than I guess Private Ryan is a good one?

Speaker 3:
[94:56] I would say I didn't see that movie in the theater, though.

Speaker 4:
[94:58] Oh, yeah. One that comes to mind is I remember in I was like in seventh or sixth grade or something went to the original Jurassic Park and the scene with the T-Rex just dismantling the car and that whole thing.

Speaker 3:
[95:13] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[95:13] God spoilers.

Speaker 4:
[95:14] You'll never forget that movie from 1995 or whatever. The other one, which is super random and you'll probably laugh at this. The Last Samurai with Tom Cruise, the scene where the ninjas attacked the village. I had the exact same experience where at the end of the battle or whatever, everyone looked at each other like, what the hell was that? That was incredible. For some reason, I vividly remember doing that in the theaters.

Speaker 3:
[95:43] I remember seeing Inception in the theaters and that movie blew me fucking away. I went back and saw it three times. That's a random one.

Speaker 2:
[95:49] For our age, I think the Christopher Nolan movies. It's The Dark Knight and The Inception were crazy in the theater. And Interstellar. Yeah. I walked out. I actually, I don't know how many movies I remember walking out and like, I actually remember the moment, but it is, it's half of them is Christopher Nolan movies. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[96:06] I saw Interstellar opening night at midnight with a bunch of friends and we were all just like blown away.

Speaker 2:
[96:11] Dude, I, it's...

Speaker 3:
[96:12] I do remember feeling hung over after Project X. I saw that in the theater and I walked out and I was like, I feel like I just went on a two day bender.

Speaker 2:
[96:20] Wolf of Wall Street is the only one during the movie. I was like, wow, this is this is I can't I just remember looking at my watch and just being like, there's two hours left to this movie. I thought that was the greatest moment of my entire life, was that there were two hours left in Wolf of Wall Street. It was like, if I die at the end of this movie, that's fine. I guess that's the theme. The. Oh, what was I going to say?

Speaker 4:
[96:44] You just the Project X, the 10 minute thing is killing.

Speaker 2:
[96:48] Yeah, that's great. I'm glad about the 10 minutes routine.

Speaker 4:
[96:51] That's great. How many times do I have to say something? That was good.

Speaker 3:
[97:01] It's like God.

Speaker 4:
[97:02] It's like the Chris Farley skit where Sherry O'Tary and Will Ferrell are like talking. They're like, when did you do that?

Speaker 3:
[97:11] When did you do that? Over the weekend, you stupid bitch.

Speaker 4:
[97:18] Oh, my God.

Speaker 3:
[97:19] Over the weekend, you stupid.

Speaker 4:
[97:22] That was fucking hilarious. When did you see him?

Speaker 3:
[97:27] Over the weekend, you stupid bitch. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2:
[97:34] Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, everybody who stuck around for the first 10 minutes. Thank you, Kay. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Abou. Thank you. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone. Stick with us for the draft weekend, but also stick with us after the draft. We actually get dumber. And I'm already planning what we're going to do for the odd. We're going to do the hottest quarterbacks at some point this summer. Post Jimmy G. We'll have to do some for the Odyssey. Thank you, Crystal.

Speaker 3:
[98:02] I saw a scene from the Odyssey was sick.

Speaker 1:
[98:05] How long?

Speaker 3:
[98:07] I didn't, I didn't, I didn't time it.

Speaker 2:
[98:10] Thank you, Lord.

Speaker 3:
[98:11] Lord, Lord.

Speaker 4:
[98:12] Thank you. The grassroots. Craig, do you know this one?

Speaker 3:
[98:16] I don't think so.

Speaker 4:
[98:17] This is a band. I saw this. I knew that this existed. I didn't really know the specific history of it, but do you know Creed Bratton? The guy, the character from the character on The Office.

Speaker 3:
[98:29] Oh, this is his band.

Speaker 4:
[98:30] He references touring in the 70s or the 60s or whatever with, you know, I forget who he said, Joan Jett or fucking whoever. And that's his band, The Grassroots.

Speaker 2:
[98:42] Wait, is this real?

Speaker 3:
[98:43] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[98:44] I knew he actually was in the band.

Speaker 4:
[98:46] He's like, yeah, we toured with so and so and so and so we had a great time. And he actually did this. No, he fucking lived it.

Speaker 3:
[98:52] Get the fuck out.

Speaker 4:
[98:53] It's pretty great. It's that this is like well known office.

Speaker 3:
[98:58] Yes, it is well known office floor. Yeah, you can I just sent this photo, you can see him there in the middle.

Speaker 4:
[99:04] It's very funny.

Speaker 2:
[99:05] Well, let me look at this Creed Bratton.

Speaker 4:
[99:07] Just goes by his real name on the show, too.

Speaker 3:
[99:09] Legend. I know. So good.

Speaker 4:
[99:13] Creed.

Speaker 2:
[99:13] Imagine getting Creed Bratton. I'd be like, change your name.

Speaker 4:
[99:16] I know sometimes people take like their real first name in shows just to like whatever he goes by his first and last name.

Speaker 3:
[99:23] Damn, he's 83.

Speaker 4:
[99:26] He's still making music and stuff. He's on his on his socials. He does stuff. It's pretty interesting.

Speaker 3:
[99:32] He grew up in Coors Gold, California, a small town near Yosemite. Coors Gold, Coors Gold.

Speaker 4:
[99:41] Interesting.

Speaker 2:
[99:42] Is that just like a they lied about there being gold there?

Speaker 3:
[99:44] Last the last Miderra County's last surviving gold town and is nothing interesting. We really just spend time on that.

Speaker 2:
[99:55] Imagine everyone just going west to California, like I'm going to find gold. I'm just going to find enough gold. Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 3:
[100:04] Now, what's what's the equivalent of that, like starting an Instagram account and probably go viral, probably covering fantasy football on the Internet for me to go viral.

Speaker 4:
[100:12] Anyway, Creed Bratton, all timer legend grassroots.

Speaker 3:
[100:15] Have you listened to the music?

Speaker 4:
[100:17] Yeah, yeah. It's pretty good. It's not bad. I like it.

Speaker 2:
[100:21] Wait, hold on is Wikipedia. After a disastrous appearance at the Fillmore West in April 1969, Bratton was asked to leave the band. What the fuck did he do?

Speaker 4:
[100:29] He was too high.

Speaker 2:
[100:30] The Wrecking Crew, the inside story of Rock and Roll's Best Kips. What on earth?

Speaker 3:
[100:36] Him just landing on the office is so funny.

Speaker 4:
[100:39] Dude, random. It sucks to get kicked off a band that goes big, you know? You always hear these stories about some drummer that was in Nirvana for like a week, and then after that, they blew up or whatever.

Speaker 3:
[100:53] I'm hanging on to this show by a thread before you guys go supersonic, you know?

Speaker 2:
[100:59] It's like 30 years from now, you guys are just going to be like the new Joe Rogan, like, yeah, and then Heifetz, he just couldn't. It was seven minutes. I don't know what was so fucking hard about that. And then that was the final straw.

Speaker 4:
[101:10] Good shit.

Speaker 2:
[101:11] I can see that. Goodbye, everyone.

Speaker 3:
[101:14] See you on Draft Night.

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