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Speaker 1:
[00:05] Hi, I'm Mayim Bialik.

Speaker 2:
[00:06] And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

Speaker 1:
[00:07] And welcome to part two of our conversation with Suzanne Giesemann. She's a spiritual teacher, bestselling author, a former Navy commander who was at the Pentagon on 9-11 and had an experience shortly thereafter which changed the way she functioned in the world. She now accesses spirit and joy. We're talking about her new book, Always Connected, How to Find Comfort, Clarity, and Direction from the Spirit Within. And in part two of our conversation with Suzanne, we'll talk about why mediums and seers can't help us find missing people and solve crimes, and is hell a human construct, or what happens to spirits after they cross over if they caused havoc in this lifetime. We're so excited for you to hear part two of our conversation with Suzanne Giesemann. Break it down. One of the things that we often get asked by skeptics, and I think we would love to hear your take on, is if people can be taught to tap into other levels of consciousness that allow us to access people who have passed away, or access our spirit guides, why can't we also use those tools to solve crimes, pick lottery numbers?

Speaker 3:
[01:25] Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1:
[01:26] Yeah. Why can't we do that? If you can teach part of it, why couldn't you teach all of the magic?

Speaker 3:
[01:32] Yes, exactly. When I first learned about mediumship by having a good reading when my stepdaughter came through, I wrote the biography of a wonderful medium named Anne Gaiman. The book is called The Priest and the Medium. I wrote it before I realized I would be a medium. Now, people wonder if I'm married to a priest. Hardly. When her husband-to-be, Wayne Noll, found out that she was really good psychically, he pulled over, went into a convenience store, and bought a whole bunch of lottery tickets, and they didn't win at all. I don't think she explained in that story why she didn't. I just accepted, it just doesn't work like that. Anne was good at missing persons cases, but not great. She and Wayne have both passed. And so I just accepted, well, we get certain kinds of information and we don't get others, until a recent missing persons case made headlines and still is making headlines. And I happened to live near where the person disappeared. And several people who follow my work reached out and said, Suzanne, can't you find out where she is? And if you can't, why can't you ask your guides? And I already knew I couldn't. I tuned in and I sensed something, but I won't even share what I sensed.

Speaker 1:
[02:57] Why not?

Speaker 3:
[02:58] Because here's why. There is a very famous psychic who has passed, who went on a TV show. Well, I'll tell you about it. Her name is Sylvia Brown, because this is well documented. And this woman went on, was on the show with her, Montel Williams Show, and wanted to know where her missing daughter was. And Sylvia tuned in and said, Oh honey, I'm sorry, she's dead. So that mother suffered and died two years later. Meanwhile, eight years later, her daughter who had been kidnapped, escaped from where she was being held. And she had seen that show. She had a TV where she was being held. She saw everybody give up hope because this psychic said, sorry, honey, she's dead. And so when I dived into, why can't we get this? I really have dug deep. As I learn, and it's true, if the spirit, the person you're trying to connect, whether they're still in a body or not, so dead or alive, is not in a coherent state. And can you imagine somebody's been kidnapped or was murdered? Either way, they're not probably going to know where they are exactly. They're not going to be calm. A medium or psychic cannot come into resonance with them. And so Sylvia Brown tuned in and got silence. And to a medium or a psychic, silence can feel like death. So I felt something, but I couldn't be sure. So there's no way I'm going to say anything, because my number one rule is do no harm. You know, that woman died, and luckily, I know that once she no longer had a body, she could tune into her daughter, and she knows from across the veil that her daughter is fine, but the harm that caused. So I dived in and I said, so somebody knows where this person is, why can't we tap into that? And I've really, really come to understand now the importance of coherence, but not just in the medium, in everybody involved, because the information we're gleaning is relational. It's not like we're tapping into the whole ocean and just picking up data. We're tapping into patterns. It's one pattern, mine, coming into resonance with another pattern, a field of being. So you two are in relationship. You have many shared memories. If one of you were across the veil, I would come into resonance with both of you. And whoever's across the veil would light up, think of a memory and the other, like a tuning fork, their field would light up, but you might not know it. But the medium would catch that and then would be able to share, oh, I'm sensing a memory because I'm seeing these images. So resonance and coherence are hugely important. Without resonance, there's no communication. We're not transmitting information, we're tuning forks resonating. We don't receive, we resonate. Then the other really huge key is that data, information is compressed when it comes through our nervous system. So details like this person is at coordinate this many degrees north, this many degrees south, or is 2.3 miles from the left turn on route 17, does not transfer through a nervous system. What does come through are sensations, imagery, feelings. I've seen this to be true over and over, so now it finally makes sense to me. If somebody is resonating, lighting up for me, there's a man named John Smith who lived at 1925 Oak Street. What am I as a medium going to pick up? I sense a man. There's a name with a J or an S, because this is specific data, and I've seen a number five, but not the whole number, and I see an oak leaf. Now, I can't tell that's Oak Street, but in a reading, that's the way information comes through with imagery, and Oak Street, Elm Street, Maple, and somebody goes, they lived on Maple Street. I'm seeing a maple leaf. Well, they lived on Maple Street. We think, oh cool, we got their street name. Yeah, because the person recognized that. I got somebody's password once. You know why? Because they were able to get through their dog's name, Daisy. Well, of course, they have a relationship with the dog. There's love with the dog. The client knew the dog, so I get Daisy, and they go, oh, that's the dog. That's the dog's name, and it's also their password. I didn't get their password. I picked up this relational data that was passed along, that was the dog, a memory.

Speaker 1:
[08:43] That's really amazing, and I think those two examples that you gave, and I know that your background is not necessarily as a scientific take on what you can do. But these two notions, this resonance notion and this compression of data, those things make a lot of sense for those of you out there who might be skeptical or might be trying to understand this. So the notion being that, and I don't know if it's so much as an excuse, but it's an explanation for why there is complexity in the things that we are trying to access when we are using a medium or trying to get in touch with information. And I think of people like Angela Ford, who we had on, you know, someone who was trained to do remote viewing. She was trained to go into these kind of meditative states, and she worked for the military for decades. And, you know, the notion that it's not so simple as the data is floating out there, and mediums are taught how to read the data. There needs to be some sort of coherence, some sort of resonance, whatever that means vibrationally or conceptually or emotionally, and also that the information that comes in, and, you know, we spoke to the Long Island medium, you know, Teresa Caputo, and, you know, she's visibly, you know, in another plane when she's, you know, talking to you, and she said she gets tastes and she gets smells, and like all these symbols appear to her, and I'm thinking, what is going on? But I like your explanation. I don't know if I'm like there 100 percent because I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, but I like this notion that what if information that comes in is not coming in in the same way that it would in a laboratory setting where you're trying to do a double blind experiment and you're trying to have it stand up to the rigors of the scientific method, it's a different kind of data. You know, the example that I kind of came up with, and I don't know if it makes sense, but if I were to tell you that I believe in falling in love and your answer was, okay, well, I'm going to give you a stranger fall in love with them and prove to me that you can fall in love, that's not how love works, right? It doesn't obey those rules. It's about a lot of other things, in many cases, unseen.

Speaker 3:
[11:19] Definitely resonance.

Speaker 1:
[11:21] Right, right. There has to be resonance. There has to be, anyway, so I really appreciate this notion of some sort of resonance or compatibility between the seer and the CE, and also this notion that data is not going to come in the way we would think, like, what are the lottery numbers, the way that data might come in.

Speaker 3:
[11:44] If I could, may I share my one really excellent example of a missing person's case was with Kim Canton, who became well-known when her family was truly affected by the Montecito mudslide a few years back. Her house was washed away, her daughter, there's an iconic picture of her daughter being pulled from under this mountain of mud after six hours being buried. Unfortunately, Kim was in the hospital having surgery because she was badly injured, and they found her husband's body on the beach miles away, and they couldn't find her son. After a while, it became clear that he was dead, but they couldn't find him, so she reached out to a lot of mediums and sidekicks, and I was one of them. She started calling me Navy Suzanne. She differentiated the different mediums. I said, I don't know if I can find him, but I can let you know how he's doing, and I did a regular reading for her and connected with her husband and her son with evidence about them.

Speaker 1:
[12:48] Give me an example. You're doing a reading of this woman's deceased husband and son, which is so heartbreaking. It's like a tragedy I can't even imagine. What was the information that indicated, I mean, I don't mean to test you, but like, yeah, what was the information that indicated you access them?

Speaker 3:
[13:03] To be able to describe their unique personalities and differentiate them. This is your son. He's like, this is, this is your husband, and this is what your relationship was like spot on. And then I'm seeing like a sport coat with a, what do you call that, a seal or an embroidered thing on there, like you'd wear at a prep school. And she goes, oh, but my son didn't go to a prep school. And I said, this is very clear. And she realized her husband was so proud of the prep school. He went to it. It was his jacket. So bits and pieces.

Speaker 1:
[13:33] When you say you saw it, is it like in your mind's eye? You see it floating? Is it on a body?

Speaker 3:
[13:41] I don't see their faces, but I saw that.

Speaker 1:
[13:44] Emblem?

Speaker 3:
[13:45] Emblem, yeah, from his prep school.

Speaker 1:
[13:47] You know, there's some people who can't picture like an apple in their head. You're picturing things that are attached to, like, is it on a body? It's just an image? Are you visually seeing it?

Speaker 3:
[13:57] It's an image of a suit coat with an emblem. And then that came with the knowing this is a prep school jacket. Wow.

Speaker 1:
[14:04] Okay, keep going.

Speaker 3:
[14:05] And the son showed me what kind of sports he was involved in, those kinds of things. And their message was, we're okay and we're so glad the boys are together here and you two girls are together there. Now, anybody could make up that message, but that's what they wanted to convey. We're okay. But as far as getting location data, nothing. Well, several really good mediums all said the same thing. He said, I don't know exactly where I am, but you will find me and I'm fine. And she wanted to have something to bury. George Lucas from Star Wars gave her one of the sabers from the actual movie because he was a big star. Their son Jack was a big Star Wars fan, and she wanted to bury that with some part of Jack. So they narrowed down the search with the help of the mediums. And she called me one day and said, I'm in the area where we think we've got him. What are you sensing? And I just tuned into Jack because I now feel him. I know what he feels like. And I said, he's showing me a dead crow. And she looked around and she said, there's a dead crow. She took a picture. She hadn't even seen it yet. I said, he's showing me X marks the spot. She looked around a little more. There was a tree that had been down by the mudslides. Somebody had painted an X on it. And I said, he's also showing me there's a cairn nearby in rushing water. And this was along a stream and there's somebody had put a cairn there. I had no doubt I was talking to his son, but he was not able to get through exact location. So a few months later, my husband and I were traveling through the Santa Barbara area. I got to meet Kim in person. She walked me to that area. This rarely happens, but I absolutely sensed Jack sitting on a downed tree trunk. And he was smiling and he's going like this, like, I'm right down here. And they brought in search dogs. And this other mediums had taken her to the same general area. And they ultimately found bone fragments.

Speaker 1:
[16:10] Stop it. Stop it.

Speaker 3:
[16:12] Yeah. And she wrote a book about it, Where Yellow Flowers Bloom. Wonderful, hard to read story, but a beautiful story. And DNA proved, you know, somebody about 17 years old, a male, said it was Jack. And they were able to hold a celebration of life and bury him with that saber. But the bottom line is that he couldn't tell us exactly where he was. But she said the most healing thing was the messages through the mediums that said, you will find me, but I'm okay, mom.

Speaker 1:
[16:46] Wow. I mean, this is, that's an unreal story. And of course, the cynic in me says, do you ever do readings where people say, I'm not okay?

Speaker 3:
[16:57] I have not, not a single one, not a single one.

Speaker 1:
[17:01] Is everyone okay who has crossed over or are the only messages that we can receive from people who have crossed over that they are okay?

Speaker 3:
[17:10] The only examples I've had were back to back readings with the spirits of men coming in, who I correctly felt were my client's father, and they were what felt to me as escorted by higher beings. This is the way symbolically it came through in my awareness. But these men appeared to be cocooned. So it was symbolic, symbolic, cocooned up to here. The first one was not allowed to talk. The guides or angels, whoever they were, spoke for him. And they said, this is to assure your client, she will not have to ever talk to this man again. He is being ministered to. It's kind of like he wasn't allowed to rejoin the population until he accepted that we're all souls and realized the harm he had done in this life. This man was evil. Evil. She said he had raped and murdered various teenage boys. Was he okay to answer your question? He was surrounded by loving beings, but he was not allowed freedom. This was a pattern in the ocean that didn't need to be there. So we still have free will as souls across the veil. What change is it all? The choice for love instead of hatred. The choice to, in religious terms, we would say atone for our sins. In spiritual terms, we would say ask for forgiveness and realize we did harm. In scientific terms, we'd say come into coherence by letting go of dissonant energy. So the next reading, I said, oh my gosh, it's the same situation. I said, but this man is talking and he wants to tell you he was a monster and he's sorry and that by saying he's sorry, this is part of the healing process. She said, let me send you my book. And she sent it to me. I started reading it that evening. I couldn't get through it because it was so painful. But the introduction started with, my father was a monster. So was that man okay? He wasn't burning in hell. That's a human construct. We want vengeance. We want people to burn in hell. They both came in with these angelic beings that weren't making him feel good. They were allowing him to see what was possible.

Speaker 1:
[20:09] Wow. I mean, this is something I've never heard, really, anyone speak about in this way. I think that in many cases, a lot of the skepticism that people who have been hurt have about people who claim that they're in touch with spirit or I can help you get in touch, a lot of people feel like, but is it really possible to get access to my whole story, right?

Speaker 3:
[20:40] I do want to accentuate here that that was symbolic, the cocooning and all, so that would have meaning to me.

Speaker 1:
[20:49] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[20:49] The message came through, that was the message that needed to come through. I'm not going to say that everybody who's evil is going to be cocooned.

Speaker 1:
[20:57] No, I get it.

Speaker 3:
[20:58] I as a medium helping people, and we as people who want to know where our loved ones, who may be missing are, or we want answers to why did this person die this way, that's this is frustrating to us. But what if these nervous systems are by design, not supposed to allow that kind of information through? What if consciousness is not optimized for practical matters like that, so that we learn through meaning and shared connection? This is the reason we do mediumship, to show people that love never dies, that we continue evolving and growing even across the veil, like those two men that I showed you. It's all about the connection. My dear, dear soul sister, Lynette, her mother disappeared when she was 12 years old. It's still the oldest missing persons case in Oklahoma. But Lynette knows now that her mother is gone. She finally found mediums after 40 years. But if she had, she's the one that says, if she had known that her mother was gone years ago, she would not have learned what she has through her own grief journey. She's now found total freedom from the human trauma, and has established a relationship with her mother across the veil that is beautiful and would not have happened if some missing person, psychic, decades ago would have said, oh, this is exactly what happened to your mother. She now has the relationship with her mother that she didn't get to have before.

Speaker 1:
[22:39] I don't mean to rebrand you as like the medium of darkness and doom, but I also think it's really interesting because, and again, I'm just sort of like speaking to what a lot of skeptics feel, like what's with all this positivity? Why is there so much love? Why is everything so shiny happy people and like, oh, everybody's okay and we're all in touch. A lot of people have skepticism about that. This is why we love talking to you, because you have these explanations of things that many people would dismiss, right? And you're able to sort of articulate what if the level of vibration that people who can sense things that aren't here are tapped into is one of a deeper sense of connectedness, which anyone who's had a transcendental experience, a psychedelic experience, a near-death experience, they've all said the universal language is love. Guess what? Like in the next world, right? There's no war. There's no famine. There's no, like, there's no suffering. What if we could operate at that level? And mediums are kind of like, I'm already tapped into that, yo. We're right here on that level.

Speaker 3:
[23:54] And all I can say is to the people who are in that dark place, and by choice, how's that working for you? It really, it's, there are so many people that attend my webinars and classes and read my books and say to me, I want that, but I'm still suffering. Well, that desire is from the soul, and that's why we don't give up. Because there is this knowing in us that suffering is not the only reason we're here. Suffering is part of why we're here. It's not a reason. It is, it goes part and parcel with this reality, but it doesn't have to last.

Speaker 1:
[24:40] I love that. I love that.

Speaker 2:
[24:42] Say more about hell as a construct, because that notion of what happens to us in the afterlife and needing to live our everyday life in a certain way to ensure that we have the right place in eternity has probably done more to control populations than almost anything else that has been invented. And is it an invention or is it real?

Speaker 3:
[25:10] It's a state of consciousness, and many are in it right now, here in the bodies. And that's what it is. And it's the human programming that wants revenge, wants justice. And so, the thought, the image of somebody that did this is going to burn in this place and find eternal damnation feels good. I was shocked when my husband and I watched this one show. We don't watch too much TV. And there was this one scene where the guy, this big tough guy got revenge on these other guys. It felt so good. I said, let's watch that again. And then I said, isn't that interesting? We're programmed for that. But when you can go beyond that state of consciousness and feel this total connection, that is the definition of love, lack of separation. You don't just get away with bad things. This is the point. There is justice in that when you cross the veil, if you haven't realized and that you did something that truly harmed another and was not loving, that energy does stay with you and does have to be healed. What is the healing of energy? Bringing the field back into a state of coherence, of oneness. And so you're shown what you did and how it affects others. You actually feel it. Many people do cruel acts because they've so blocked off their feelings that they don't feel that that hurts another person. But you cross the veil and you feel the full brunt of it. And I'll tell you, when there's an apology to be given, when I do a reading, the first thing that comes through is they want to apologize for this. And they'll show me what they did.

Speaker 1:
[27:10] Buddha Betty, who had an NDE experience, Betty G., as I call her, when she had her NDE, she was shown not only the pain she had caused, and she felt it completely in her body, but she also saw how the choices that her parents made was from a place of pain that they, too, were acknowledging. And all of that got absorbed into this sort of family pain. But that notion of there is a place where we have access to that in a way that does not bring about feelings of rage or resentment or wanting revenge, that what it means to truly understand hurt people hurt, that even people who wronged you so deeply and horribly, that when you are in a place of coherence, when you are in a place of equanimity, it no longer can hurt you the same way because you see it in this larger context. I mean, that's an incredibly important component of healing, right? Is to have compassion even for those who have wronged you. And it doesn't mean that you have to force it or pretend it. It's that whatever your healing looks like, it will be a place where that no longer hurts that way.

Speaker 3:
[28:33] And that's what brings us freedom here, is realizing that those people would not have done it if they knew we're all connected, if they knew that we're all at the deepest layers of that ocean, the ocean itself.

Speaker 2:
[28:48] I like the explanation that people who hurt like that, they literally can't feel it. Something is blocked in them that prevents them from feeling the ramifications of their action.

Speaker 3:
[29:01] That's a scary thought at the human level, right?

Speaker 2:
[29:05] Because we think they either like it or they, you know, there's something wrong with them in some way, but it literally could be that they're missing that piece that connects us or that makes us feel the impact of our actions.

Speaker 3:
[29:22] And what I just got right there was a hit that you have no idea how your love heals those people. They have so blocked themselves off, they don't feel the love that's already inside them. It's not that love's gone, it's just gunked over, as I say. But my friend Brenda, who passed, and I have great communication with her now, she came to one of my presentations about my book and movie Wolf's Message. She literally ran from that venue because she didn't know what this feeling was. She was feeling the love that was coming from the stage, and it cracked open something that she had erected over years of self-protection. So like in that Biri Salam, when I just looked at people and smiled and gave them some love, like you don't have to run from me because I have this big bandage on my face. Here's some love coming back at you. These people that are so walled up, what if we send them love? It's counterintuitive, but that's what heals, and it's not instantaneous in most cases, but the compassion, the understanding of why they're blocked off. If you look at gang members, for example, there's this list of like 10 things that will cause people to do cruel things and it's being abused as a child, and not having this and this and this. Most of those, they have all 10 things on the list. It doesn't say it's okay for anybody to hurt another person, but when you have the compassion to understand, hurt people, hurt people, what gives them love and crack them wide open?

Speaker 2:
[30:59] Most people have been blocked in some way, whether it's a defense mechanism or whether it's extreme abuse. How do people start to know if they're breaking open in a good way to be built up again, the process of awakening?

Speaker 3:
[31:18] I would bring us full circle back to the beginning again to ask, what do I need to know that I don't know? Ask that and sit quietly for one to three minutes. Insights will arise. How do you know that you're being guided? Because you'll get something that you didn't expect. There's just a knowing, that's different. I remember Lynette was, before she realized that we're all souls, the woman that I mentioned whose mother disappeared on her, when she used to hear the messages from my guides that always end with the words, you are so very loved, she said she always went, like, that's the biggest bunch of garbage I've ever heard. And now she knows it's true because that light is in all of us. That's the soul. It just gets clouded over, gunked over, barricaded. How do you know? Because it can't help but come out. Do you two ever, I don't want to embarrass you here.

Speaker 2:
[32:22] That's what the podcast is for.

Speaker 3:
[32:24] Do you ever just out of the blue say, I love you? And then you say, where did that come from? It's totally like Ty and I will be riding a bike and he'll say out back, I love you. Why did that happen? Because you came into coherence for some reason. May have nothing to do with the other one. But all of a sudden you're feeling love and you know you love the other person, so you resonated with the love. That's what happened there. We all have it in us and it's a matter of finding the coherence. That means stable, a stable field.

Speaker 1:
[33:04] This feels like a lovely place to kind of, you know, to end. It's such a beautiful, you know, kind of notion. One thing that I noticed, you know, now that I have one kid in college and one, you know, starting the college search, you know, I realize how much when we're parents of young children, we say I love you to our kids and they say it back, right? And as children get older, that relationship shifts. So that you are still in coherence with children, right? But the notion of those kind of acknowledgments of connection are fewer. But the idea that when you're with a partner, you have the ability to constantly regenerate that coherence and connection. That's what's different about that intimacy, right? Because intimacy with everyone, right, involves vulnerability and all these things. But as I've been thinking about it, you know, if you think about being an empty nester, it's like, oh, where does the love go, right? We still get to have that with our partners, with friends, and, you know, with whatever spirit looks like to you.

Speaker 3:
[34:09] That's why Joy incarnated as you for the relationship. And you don't have to be in a relationship, find an animal, be in service to somebody else. But we came here to express the love that we are with, the outside of ourselves, not just here. It's all about relationship. And that's how mediumship works. You come into relationship with a spirit and with their loved one here, and that resonance makes the connection possible.

Speaker 1:
[34:40] So wonderful to get to speak with you again. We highly recommend Always Connected, How to Find Comfort, Clarity, and Direction from the Spirit Within.

Speaker 3:
[34:50] I have to tell you something funny about that, that I didn't get to tell you. We've talked about peace and tranquility and the by-products of connecting with spirit. The whole book came about from a drop in from my guides early one morning. I'm just lying there and they said, write this down. I hope my phone is turned off because every time I share this story, it reacts and you'll understand why. They had me write down in big letters on the pad by keep by my bed, Hey Siri. And they said, you know what's missing? And I said, no. And they said, the P and the T from Peace and Tranquility, put it in there. And I put it in the word and it came out, Hey Spirit. And I went, Oh my God, that's so cool. And then came this big message that the problem with our world today is we're feeling disconnected even though we have our phones, we need any answers, we go, Hey Siri. But if we could trust the unknown Jonathan and pause and say, Instead, Hey Spirit, what don't I know right now? What's causing this back pain? Why I'm in this relationship challenge? What do I need to do? And then stop and listen. You will find out you are always connected. You're going to get innovative answers. They'll stand out from the song lyrics and all the mind chatter. And then you'll learn to trust it and you'll learn to trust the unknown.

Speaker 1:
[36:33] Suzanne, thank you so much for your wisdom, your heart, your joy. Where can people find all the things, Suzanne, including the app, which I really enjoy?

Speaker 3:
[36:43] Oh, I'm glad you like Awakened Way app. And I'm so excited that my website is completely new. And just go to suzanegeesemann.com. We've made it much more easy to navigate all the resources on there. There's so much and a lot of gifts on there too. And just ways to stay connected. So thank you.

Speaker 1:
[37:06] Well, thank you. And we wish you good healing and only good things for your health and your whole community. And just really wonderful to get to speak with you again. Thank you so much. You know, Jonathan, I'm sorry that I didn't have a physical copy of Suzanne's book when we had her on. But really, really, you know, lovely exploration of her conversations with Joy and her, you know, interactions with not always looking on the bright side. I think that's an oversimplification. Um, but it had never occurred to me that if the universal language, right, of the universe is one of positivity, safety, security. I mean, I'm thinking of people in NDE's when they go into that place and they feel this like overwhelming sense of love or people have described this from psilocybin journeys, ayahuasca journeys that like there is a home for our soul that is protected and safe and loved. And we are all one. We are all just kind of part of a universe of consciousness. That makes sense that mediums who are in theory, again, I can't prove it, in theory, tapping into some other realm, that their message would be one that supports the message that people get when they have transcendental or expanded consciousness experiences. Even someone like Thomas Campbell, who's doing transcendental meditation and is rocketed into the universe, like the first time he tried meditating, and he experiences that that's that place that we're all trying to get, or as Suzanne explains, we're all there already.

Speaker 2:
[38:57] And what if hell is not a place where you get punished endlessly for things that you may not have done or you have done, but it's a place where you feel the impact of everything that has impacted others?

Speaker 1:
[39:13] Well, and also a place where you then have the opportunity to have some sort of, I mean, these are all human words, closure, atonement, you know, I mean, for me, hell would be a place where I can't speak.

Speaker 2:
[39:28] Where you can't speak.

Speaker 1:
[39:30] I gotta say the thing I want to say.

Speaker 2:
[39:32] You just have to sit with all of your ideas for the rest of eternity.

Speaker 1:
[39:36] That's right.

Speaker 2:
[39:37] Let's do top five ways you know if you're being guided by spirit.

Speaker 1:
[39:42] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[39:43] Number one, synchronicity. Tell us about that, Mayim.

Speaker 1:
[39:47] You know, sometimes something will be like serendipitous, or it'll be like, wow, what a coincidence. What if it's not a coincidence? What if it's a synchronous moment of coherent resonance? If that is happening and if you're noticing that it's happening, that means that something is connecting on some level. And what if those things are happening all the time, you're just not noticing them? That also would be synchronous.

Speaker 2:
[40:13] Number two, physical signs or phenomena.

Speaker 1:
[40:17] So this would be, this would fall under the hummingbirds, which is what my mother has decided is the way that my father represents himself. But also like, you know, we're at the level of sort of poltergeist. Like, what if things start moving or you, you know, phones start behaving strangely, electronics start behaving strangely. Those are physical signs and phenomena that might be happening.

Speaker 2:
[40:45] Intuition and inner knowing is number three.

Speaker 1:
[40:48] Oh, I love this one. This is one I have no idea what it means. Jonathan, you are a much better person to speak to this. Sometimes you just like know something and I don't know what that's like.

Speaker 2:
[41:02] You tell me all the time that you know things.

Speaker 1:
[41:06] Oh, I have a... I've had a couple instances, but I don't know if those count as like...

Speaker 2:
[41:14] When someone says something and it is a partial truth, I can't say it's all the time, but often when someone tells me something that it feels off, it feels off. And there's more information there. I'm not saying they're lying. I'm not saying that they're misleading me in any particular way, but they may not have all the information or they may not have questioned the information that they got. And so it just feels there's a lack of coherence in what the message is.

Speaker 1:
[41:50] Now I feel bad that we taught you that word coherence. You're gonna use it all the time.

Speaker 2:
[41:53] I'm gonna use it all the time.

Speaker 1:
[41:54] We're gonna be in the supermarket and you're gonna be like, there is not coherence with this chocolate turtle that you want me to buy you. No, I've had a few instances of a strong intuition, but very, very few. One was to have children early. That was a very, very strong intuition. The inner knowing and intuition that this is talking about is that strong gut feeling you have to do or not do something, or sudden clarity or insight, or a favorite one of yours, feeling guided to change plans at the last moment. I just call this chaos and bad planning, but Jonathan will be like, I have a very strong feeling. I should not drive on the freeway today.

Speaker 2:
[42:38] You love to make me seem like I am just a chaos monster, but yes to what you're saying, and it doesn't always have to be, this is the very strong, clear sign. It may be that you're being nudged toward something, but this is important because it feels like intuition can get confused by a massive bit of information or a feeling that makes you almost unable to move unless you follow it, whereby tapping into a more subtle calling can lead you to being able to hold space for something or have something process or for synchronicity to unfold in a way that's more helpful for you. Next one is dreams. Can spirit communicate through dreams?

Speaker 1:
[43:29] I mean, this is one of the best ways I can imagine that spirit could communicate. If I had to choose one and be like, okay, fine, I'll admit that, mainly because I come from a religious tradition where we had a period of prophecy and the prophets were spoken to in dreams, they would have these elaborate, often very terrifying dreams, and that was prophecy, right? It was known that when I go night night, something is moving in my consciousness. So I come from that notion of tradition, and a lot of times we do, we get insight, we get clarity from dreams. It's not always clear, but I do feel like Suzanne has given us a little bit of framework for why it might not always be like, here's a dream about this, that, and the other. It's why when any therapist does dream analysis, they say, well, how does that make you feel? Because some people might have a scary dream about a shark, and some people might have an exciting, comforting dream about a shark. It's what it means to you that is important. And so that is one level of communication.

Speaker 2:
[44:36] The last one, sense of presence.

Speaker 1:
[44:40] So this could be like feeling that somebody's near. Before I realized that you had a tracker on my phone, I thought you could just like tell when I was getting close to you.

Speaker 3:
[44:50] And I was like, how does he know?

Speaker 1:
[44:53] It's really an important connection.

Speaker 2:
[44:56] You shared your location data. I didn't put a tracker on your phone. That's a very different thing.

Speaker 1:
[45:02] Sorry. I meant before I knew that I had extended the ability that you have to see where I am. But also some people get like warmth, tingling or like physical sensations or thinking of someone. And then like they think of you or feeling their presence strongly. Sometimes you and I will text at the same time. Here's a silly thing to say.

Speaker 2:
[45:28] Like when we've been out of communication for hours, all of a sudden we'll both be like.

Speaker 1:
[45:32] And so I'd be like, my first thought was, that happens with you more than anyone else. It must be a true connection. And then I realized.

Speaker 2:
[45:38] And then you're gonna think, but we just happen to text more than anyone else.

Speaker 1:
[45:42] We text 86 times more often than I do with most people. So chances are that's gonna happen with us. Anyway, that is Sense of Presence. Those are your top five ways to know that you're being guided by spirit.

Speaker 2:
[45:56] We wanna hear all the ways that you're guided by spirit. We have an amazing breaker community over on Substack that share unbelievable stories of awakening, spiritual connection. We also have a lot of people who are asking and learning how to connect more with our intuition. If you wanna check it out, Mayim Bialik's Breakdown on Substack.

Speaker 1:
[46:15] From our breakdown to the one we hope you never have, we'll see you next time.

Speaker 2:
[46:22] She's got a neuroscience Ph.D.

Speaker 1:
[46:29] She's gonna break it down.