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Speaker 1:
[00:00] No one goes to Hanks for his spreadsheets. They go for a darn good pizza. Lately though, the shop's been quiet. So, Hanks decides to bring back the $1 slice. He asks Copilot in Microsoft Excel to look at his sales and costs, to help him see if he can afford it. Copilot shows Hanks where the money's going, and which little extras make the $1 slice work. Now Hanks has a line out the door. Hanks makes the pizza, Copilot handles the spreadsheets. Learn more at m365copilot.com/work.

Speaker 2:
[00:30] Did you feel any gender disappointment, Matt Howard?

Speaker 3:
[00:32] What sort of answer do I give right now?

Speaker 2:
[00:33] The honest one.

Speaker 3:
[00:34] To be completely 100 percent honest.

Speaker 2:
[00:38] I was coming to terms with the fact that I didn't have a girl-sized hole in my heart. I have a Emerson-sized one. I just wanted her.

Speaker 3:
[00:47] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[00:48] Having another baby girl wasn't going to fix that.

Speaker 3:
[00:51] I've seen videos of where they're about to announce, they pop balloons or whatever, and then the mother-in-law pops it with pink or blue. She steals the announcement.

Speaker 2:
[00:58] Oh, that is horrible.

Speaker 3:
[01:00] Right? Should we say what the gender is?

Speaker 2:
[01:02] Sure.

Speaker 3:
[01:02] Three, two, one. It's up. What's up, dudes? Welcome back to Unplanned. A show where we talk about our lives.

Speaker 2:
[01:14] Share the hope and the hard.

Speaker 3:
[01:16] What? That's not the right show. Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 2:
[01:17] That's my other podcast.

Speaker 3:
[01:17] That's always here. That's the new show that we launched. We never made a cool slogan for Unplanned.

Speaker 2:
[01:22] I know. It was all Unplanned. We actually did kind of a lot of planning for a while.

Speaker 3:
[01:26] I know. Yeah. But I guess it's kind of part of the fun of it, right? It's kind of crazy that we've gotten to interview the people that we've interviewed. By the way, thank you to everyone that has commented on the Elizabeth Smart episode. That was unreal that we got to sit down with such an inspiring person, someone that's been through literally being kidnapped and held captive for nine months and abused and just to hear that she's been able to press on through everything that she's been through was very inspiring to me. So thank you to everyone that commented and shared their stories as well.

Speaker 2:
[01:59] Yeah, we definitely know that it was a very heavy subject matter. So it really was an honor to give her another outlet to share her story. I think the advocacy work she's doing is super, super important. And like Matt said, the response from you guys was super overwhelming too. A lot of you even felt inclined to share your story as a survivor of any type of harm that was similar to hers, which was really... It just means a lot that our platform is a safe place for you guys. And actually, did you want to read some of the comments?

Speaker 3:
[02:34] Yeah, yeah. I mean, here we have a comment right here from Laura. She said, thank you so much for sharing. As a fellow survivor, it's always helpful to hear how other people have dealt with forgiveness with forgiving their perpetrators. I really liked Elizabeth's comment about forgiveness, about how forgiveness can almost be self-serving in a way where it's like when you forgive someone, you are releasing all this anger and just, I don't know. It's like I've felt like times in my life where I just didn't want to forgive someone, and then you do forgive them, and it makes you feel better. And so I kind of liked how she said she has her own definition of forgiveness, and crazy that she was able to forgive her captors. I don't know how she was able to mentally do that, but that's just so incredible.

Speaker 2:
[03:25] Here's another comment. It says, That was incredibly intense in such an amazing podcast. I'm currently going through SA abuse counseling myself. Now after 41 years of hiding it because of shame, I finally am at a place where I'm ready to move on from my past. Elizabeth is such a strong woman. You've inspired me today. It's like so incredible. It really is. And yeah, getting to talk to her was super surreal. So thank you guys for your response on that. If you haven't already listened to the episode, I really do think that in our conversation, she opened up about things that I had never heard about as someone that had followed her story fairly closely.

Speaker 3:
[04:04] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[04:04] So I do think that there is more value to listen, giving it a listen.

Speaker 3:
[04:09] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[04:10] I think you're going to get something out of it that you didn't get out of the documentary that you haven't heard about her story before.

Speaker 3:
[04:15] And if you guys didn't know this, the more subscribers that we get on our Unplanned Podcast YouTube channel, the bigger the guests are that we can bring on to the show. I mean, as you've seen, we've had some really incredible opportunities. I'm hoping we can continue to bring on big guests for you guys. And one of the goals we have this year is to hit a million followers, or hit a million subscribers on Unplanned. So if you have not subscribed, please, please, please take two seconds just to tap the subscribe button. And it's actually the majority of you guys that listen, don't actually subscribe. So if you could just take two seconds, subscribe. It's really easy. It's free. It's a free way that you can support the show. And yeah, and then you'll also get recommended our stuff, hopefully more frequently, so you can see the cool guests that we've that we'll bring on in the future.

Speaker 2:
[05:01] Yeah. Thank you guys so much for watching and sharing. And let us always know what you want to hear from us next, like who you want to see us talk with, have conversations with. We really appreciate your feedback.

Speaker 3:
[05:14] Also let us know what we should do. Like I think we should do a giveaway for a million subscribers. So if we hit it this year in 2026, we will definitely do a giveaway. Let us know if you think it should be like a dollar amount. Should it be a trip? I mean, if you have any idea, if you have any ideas, put them in the comments. I mean, another thing too, right? Like maybe it's like, I don't know. Let's just say it's like a thousand dollar giveaway. Do you guys want it to be a thousand dollars to five different people? Or would you rather it be like one person wins $5,000? I don't know. I don't know what the giveaway is. I'm just throwing out numbers and ideas.

Speaker 2:
[05:48] More the merrier.

Speaker 3:
[05:49] But you think it should be like split up between five people? Yeah. Because then you have a higher chance of getting it. So I don't know. Let us know in the comments what you think this giveaway prize should be. But we want to like give back to you guys and thank you for the support you've given us for the show. So yeah.

Speaker 2:
[06:03] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[06:04] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[06:04] PSA, I, my voice hasn't changed because of pregnancy. I think some people thought that.

Speaker 3:
[06:09] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[06:09] I think we've just gotten all the winter sickness in the spring.

Speaker 3:
[06:12] What is up with that? So Abby and I both, not last night, but the night before, just started getting sick. And I think it's our toddlers that are getting sick right now. So poor Abby is like really congested, sore throat. She's been coughing. I've been sneezing a lot.

Speaker 2:
[06:26] I've been peeing at my pants like freaking crazy. Well, that's probably a cough when you're pregnant is, it should be illegal.

Speaker 3:
[06:33] I'm sorry. That stinks.

Speaker 2:
[06:34] And what's weird is I only pee myself in the second trimester. You would think that the bigger you are, the more pressure you'd have on your bladder. But that's not the case for me.

Speaker 3:
[06:43] Where was the most uncomfortable place you've peed your pants?

Speaker 2:
[06:47] I mean, anytime it's been in public, for sure.

Speaker 3:
[06:49] Has it happened more than once in public?

Speaker 2:
[06:51] Yeah, like a trickle.

Speaker 3:
[06:53] Will you see it on the ground if you've peed your pants?

Speaker 2:
[06:55] That one time at the coffee shop in LA.

Speaker 3:
[06:57] At the coffee... Wait, that's right.

Speaker 2:
[06:59] I was wearing a dress. Bad move. Don't wear dresses.

Speaker 3:
[07:01] Wait, that's right. Was that when we were touring the Fox lot?

Speaker 2:
[07:04] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[07:05] Yes. I forgot about that.

Speaker 2:
[07:07] So it's funny, but it's also so annoying. Today I was doing jumping jacks at the gym and I was like, oh man, here we go. Anything where my legs are spread and I'm jumping, it's not a good idea.

Speaker 3:
[07:19] Did you pee at the gym?

Speaker 2:
[07:20] Probably like a little trickle, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[07:22] But did it go like on the gym floor?

Speaker 2:
[07:24] No, no, no, that would have been crazy. That would have been really crazy.

Speaker 3:
[07:28] Where have you peed your pants before?

Speaker 2:
[07:29] Why are you asking so many questions?

Speaker 3:
[07:30] I don't know. I feel like peeing your pants is something that like... I do it a lot at home. Pretty unique to like pregnancy women, like women that are pregnant and then like kids probably, you know?

Speaker 2:
[07:45] Yeah, I pee my pants more than our kids for sure.

Speaker 3:
[07:47] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[07:48] Well, I guess not the one in diverse.

Speaker 3:
[07:50] Do they make any products for women that are pregnant?

Speaker 2:
[07:52] Yes, it's called incontinence.

Speaker 3:
[07:53] And that's literally what it is?

Speaker 2:
[07:55] Yeah, I mean, I'll probably have it when I'm elderly as well.

Speaker 3:
[07:58] Oh, so it's really made for elderly people.

Speaker 2:
[07:59] Heck, if I'm already at this point, I think I'm in the minority with the peeing my pants thing. But you know what? I'm just going to be here for anyone that is also in the same position as me. It's humbling. Like literally last night when I start coughing more at night, when I changed my underwear like four times, I was like, OK, get me a pad.

Speaker 3:
[08:16] I felt so bad for you.

Speaker 2:
[08:17] I was so frustrated. We finally laid out.

Speaker 3:
[08:19] I'm like, oh, you have to watch our show last night.

Speaker 2:
[08:22] Sneezing can never be safe. But I have confidence that once we get to the third trimester, I'm not going to have this as much.

Speaker 3:
[08:29] Speaking of peeing your pants in the gym, you're back in the gym. How does it feel to be back at the gym?

Speaker 2:
[08:36] So good.

Speaker 3:
[08:37] How many workouts have you done now since you got the approval to be back in the gym?

Speaker 2:
[08:40] Every day since I've been approved.

Speaker 3:
[08:42] So is that four or five?

Speaker 2:
[08:44] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[08:44] Friday, Saturday, Sunday was a break.

Speaker 2:
[08:46] No, I went Thursday after I got approved.

Speaker 3:
[08:48] Oh my gosh, you did.

Speaker 2:
[08:49] Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.

Speaker 3:
[08:50] You've done five workouts now.

Speaker 2:
[08:53] Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Six.

Speaker 3:
[08:58] Oh my gosh. That's a lot. We know that's, honey, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday.

Speaker 2:
[09:06] I did Sunday. I went on a two and a half mile run. I'm counting that. OK, I'm counting that.

Speaker 3:
[09:11] You're right. You're right. That does count. A run is a workout.

Speaker 2:
[09:14] That was the hardest by far.

Speaker 3:
[09:15] I thought that you usually.

Speaker 2:
[09:16] The run was so hard.

Speaker 3:
[09:18] Yeah. What was it like to run two and a half mile while pregnant?

Speaker 2:
[09:20] Not good. I had so much confidence. And then as soon as I started, I was like, oh, wow, I feel heavy.

Speaker 3:
[09:28] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[09:29] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[09:29] I don't like to run. I mean, I'm trying to get better at it. I run from time to time. Did you enjoy any part of that?

Speaker 2:
[09:36] Yeah. Yeah. I feel proud of myself. But I mean, no, I'm not going to do that. Maybe when our kids are in middle school and high school, I'll be a runner.

Speaker 3:
[09:44] OK. OK.

Speaker 2:
[09:45] Not my season.

Speaker 3:
[09:46] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[09:47] Not my season.

Speaker 3:
[09:48] I feel like I would rather. I mean, I enjoy running if I have like cool stuff to look at, you know? You know, like I could do like a trail run in the mountains. I think I could enjoy that.

Speaker 2:
[09:59] OK. Well, that feels like a lot of elevation change. Yeah, I don't want that. I want it to be very flat.

Speaker 3:
[10:04] You want it to be flat?

Speaker 2:
[10:05] Yeah, of course.

Speaker 3:
[10:06] Why flat?

Speaker 2:
[10:10] Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3:
[10:10] But like it makes it boring.

Speaker 2:
[10:13] It makes it way harder. No, I actually my friend that was running or what do you mean? That was such a weird question. Why flat?

Speaker 3:
[10:20] I mean, I don't know. It's just like it's just like unless it's like you're on a track and you're just seeing the same thing over again.

Speaker 2:
[10:25] I think you could find a place that scenic that is also flat.

Speaker 3:
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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 3:
[11:23] Oh, a hundred percent.

Speaker 2:
[11:24] Because even I forget, I'm like, wait, what did I do last time? And it's hard to make progress if you're not pushing on what you've already built. And so that's great that Ladder has that built in.

Speaker 3:
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Speaker 2:
[12:04] Yes. Let's first of all explain that for those of you that don't know.

Speaker 3:
[12:07] Yeah. Pelvic rest is something that women have to do, which is no working out, no intimacy, no sex, nothing like that for however long the doctor says.

Speaker 2:
[12:17] Well, most people get put on pelvic rest by a doctor if they have placenta previa, which means the placenta is covering your cervix.

Speaker 3:
[12:24] Which you didn't have.

Speaker 2:
[12:25] I didn't have that. I think our doctor was just being extra conservative. Placenta was 1.62 centimeters from my cervix, and he said he'd like to see it over 2 centimeters.

Speaker 3:
[12:36] Oh my gosh. I didn't realize we were talking about literally like 0.28 centimeters.

Speaker 2:
[12:43] I know. And I actually was kind of confused because like odds are I'm going to have another c-section. And I think this is more of a concern if you're planning on having a vaginal delivery because you don't want that to come out first.

Speaker 3:
[12:55] Wait, so then I'm confused. Why is that? Why was that a problem?

Speaker 2:
[12:57] I think there's other risks associated with it being on the cervix. But yeah, and I also think they're just being extra cautious. You certainly appreciate, especially given our circumstances.

Speaker 3:
[13:06] We did what the doctor said, but yeah, we didn't have sex for literally a month, you guys, which is for us. It was hard. It was very hard. I literally know it's funny, guys. This is what's hilarious. I was hanging out with my my guy friends. We like all got together because our wives schedule like wife hangouts all the time. We're like, hey, we should have a guy hang out. We should have a dad hang out. Let's all play pickleball. And so we did. We like all hung out and we were just chit chatting it up. And I was like cracking a joke about how like, you know, just, I don't know, just between guys just joking about our whole podcast audience. Now, I guess you guys are hearing this now, whatever. But just about how like active Abby and I are in the bedroom.

Speaker 2:
[13:43] Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 3:
[13:45] Next day, literally, Dr. Ghost. Yes. You guys have to take a break from that for a month. And I'm like, no, I'm like, why? This is crazy.

Speaker 2:
[13:51] And in the office, I said, oh, oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[13:56] So that was that was funny. I think I think my I think my friends thought that was funny for me, too.

Speaker 2:
[14:01] That's good. So I'm glad everyone else thought it was funny.

Speaker 3:
[14:04] Did you think it was funny?

Speaker 2:
[14:05] No, I didn't think it was funny.

Speaker 3:
[14:07] Well, OK, be honest, though. What was worse of of like of of what you had? Oh, actually, I think you're going to say working out.

Speaker 2:
[14:16] At the beginning, I was working out, and then at the end, it was my dream.

Speaker 3:
[14:20] Because you looked at it. Can we say this? You looked it up because because like, you know how and I experienced this when Abby and I were dating.

Speaker 2:
[14:29] Don't don't don't don't don't go there. That's the stuff I know exactly where you're going. And it has to stop too far.

Speaker 3:
[14:37] OK, let's just what's the appropriate way of explaining what it is?

Speaker 2:
[14:41] There's none.

Speaker 3:
[14:42] You can't.

Speaker 2:
[14:44] There's none.

Speaker 3:
[14:45] Never mind. We're good. We're good. We're good.

Speaker 2:
[14:48] Just think about.

Speaker 3:
[14:52] You just peed your pants right there. I am so sorry. Do you need to go to the bathroom?

Speaker 2:
[14:57] I'm staying right here. You get the next guest that comes and sits on this couch and be like, they're going to be like, this is where Abby. No, it didn't go all the way through, guys. Just trickle. Anyway, we're going to pause Matt's thought there. Let your mind fill in whatever gaps you want to do. We're all public rest. It's fine. Everything's good. Actually, the placenta must have moved a lot, which actually surprised me because I was like, okay, how is this actually even going to help? The ultrasound tech was at our follow up appointment, ultrasound tech put the sonogram on and she could tell right away that it had moved and they were kind enough. They saved us like the large doctor fee. Yeah, they just like kept us in that room and didn't have us go in the doctor room. They're like, I must have moved like considerably.

Speaker 3:
[15:38] Part of me wonders if one of them like somehow came across a clip of us talking about how expensive medical care is in the United States.

Speaker 2:
[15:44] No, I don't think they care. They're like, no big deal.

Speaker 3:
[15:46] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[15:47] But I thought I was yeah, anyway, we're cleared. Everything's fine and the baby's looking good. So that's really the thing that matters the very most.

Speaker 3:
[15:56] So thankful that baby's happy, healthy. At the time of recording this, Abby is 23 weeks pregnant. Next week, by the time you guys are watching this, it'll be will be at 24 weeks, which is the week of viability, which is so incredible, because I guess like if women ever go into like preterm labor or anything like that, the like the baby's good, right?

Speaker 2:
[16:19] Yeah, they have to take the baby out for some reason.

Speaker 3:
[16:21] Yeah, which is just crazy that like a 24 week old baby can live outside the womb. That wild.

Speaker 2:
[16:25] A lot of help.

Speaker 3:
[16:26] But yeah, I mean, it's not it's not ideal for the baby, right? It's wild that our technology has advanced that much. Have you ever seen a baby that's 24 weeks outside of the womb? Like, because when we got the scan last time, they were telling us our baby's over a pound. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[16:43] No, my friend had a baby at 28 weeks.

Speaker 3:
[16:46] That's early. That's really early. And then I guess you're just in and out of the NICU for what, three months?

Speaker 2:
[16:53] I think it was a few months, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[16:54] Remember when we had Haley Hess and Mitch Hess on our podcast, they said that their NICU bill was $7 million from having triplets? Crazy, right?

Speaker 2:
[17:01] It's insane.

Speaker 3:
[17:03] How do you feel about traveling to Hawaii next month? We're going back to Hawaii. How are you feeling about that with the pregnancy?

Speaker 2:
[17:10] I'm excited. I feel like that would be really good for our family, to have just some time away to kind of just enjoy and slow down a little bit.

Speaker 3:
[17:21] Our boys are obsessed with waves. I've been going in the wave pool with Griffin at the Revel Surf Park, which is in Arizona. It's like a local surf place. It's the only place you can surf in Arizona is Revel Surf Park. Griffin loves going in the waves with me and just letting the waves hit us and just jumping into them and playing in them. He's been obsessed. I'm excited to go in the actual ocean with him.

Speaker 2:
[17:44] Yes, it'll be so fun. We're kind of doing a couple of different things in one stay. Staying at a resort and then staying at a house. And I think we'll kind of get like a good experience out of it.

Speaker 3:
[17:54] Are we dumb? Are we dumb for not just like either staying at only a resort or only staying at the house?

Speaker 2:
[17:59] I mean, if you only stay at the resort, it would be very expensive.

Speaker 3:
[18:02] True. But then when you have to pack up your stuff and move it, I think one time is fine. That does suck. But yeah, one time isn't a big deal. We actually did that the last time we went to Hawaii as well. We stayed at an Airbnb.

Speaker 2:
[18:15] We'll think about next week when we're at Disney, we're going to pack up every single day.

Speaker 3:
[18:19] But I thought for Disneyland, I thought the resorts pack up your stuff. I thought they move your luggage for you between hotels. We're hoping. Yeah, you're right. Dang, are we dumb for doing that?

Speaker 2:
[18:29] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[18:30] That's so dumb. Should we talk about why we're doing that?

Speaker 2:
[18:33] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[18:34] Okay. So I had this idea, guys, to stay at every Disneyland resort that there is. There's only three of them. There's not a ton. I've seen like a lot of YouTubers do videos about staying at every single Disney World resort.

Speaker 2:
[18:49] Which is crazy because how many Disney World ones are there?

Speaker 3:
[18:52] Maybe if people enjoy this video and we're able to like...

Speaker 2:
[18:55] That'd be so fun...

Speaker 3:
[18:56] .somehow recoup our investment, we'll make another one. But yeah, guys, like there's... I've seen a lot of YouTubers make that video and it's like, let's do Disneyland. Let's do the three Disneyland hotels. They do?

Speaker 2:
[19:10] Nice.

Speaker 3:
[19:11] They move it for you? So we just pack it up and put it in our suitcases and then they'll just move it between the resorts.

Speaker 2:
[19:18] You have to bring it to Bell Service. Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3:
[19:21] That's awesome, actually. That's so nice. And then it'll just be in our room for us when we get back from the parks.

Speaker 2:
[19:27] It just says it'll arrive at your new hotel later that day. You probably have to get it from the Bell Service at the other...

Speaker 3:
[19:32] So this is one of those YouTube videos that I'm so excited to film, you guys, because it's just... I think it'll be fun. Staying at every single Disneyland hotel and walk me through the different hotels there are, Abby.

Speaker 2:
[19:45] So first of all, the different hotels, there's Pixar Place, which is their newest one. Then there's the classic Disneyland hotel. And then there's the Grand Californian.

Speaker 3:
[19:55] Which the Grand Californian is the nicest one by far.

Speaker 2:
[19:57] It's like the deluxe.

Speaker 3:
[19:58] It's within the park itself.

Speaker 2:
[20:00] It's basically in the park. It is in the park.

Speaker 3:
[20:02] That's crazy.

Speaker 2:
[20:04] So we're doing this trip for many reasons. First of all, we love Disney. Second of all, our kids have birthdays close to the baby's due date. And so we're going to kind of need to be a little proactive about celebrating them in advance. And they always want to go to Disney. They talk about it like every single night. When they're sad, we're like, just think about Disney.

Speaker 3:
[20:25] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[20:25] And that makes them happy.

Speaker 3:
[20:28] I love how casually they ask us about going to Disney.

Speaker 2:
[20:30] Yeah. They're like, can we just go to Goofy's Kitchen right now? I'm like, we're out of state, but no big deal.

Speaker 3:
[20:35] Yeah. And that's when we had to explain to them how money works and how we have to work to make money and we can't just go to Disneyland all the time.

Speaker 2:
[20:43] We have Magic Key Passes, which is basically their annual membership to Disneyland. But we have a tier that's lower, like one of the lowest, actually. So we have a ton of blackout dates, including, which we did not know this, all of summer.

Speaker 3:
[21:01] The entire summer, who would have thunk it?

Speaker 2:
[21:04] So we can't go like all of summer. And so we're like, OK, well, we obviously can't go in August because we're having a baby then. And we're probably not going to go in September because we're having a baby then. So if we want to use our like Magic Key Pass, we need to go now. And so we just like last minute booked this trip. And then we'd always kind of been sitting on this YouTube video idea of trying out all the resorts. And we kind of combined everything to this trip. We're celebrating both the boys. They'll still have birthday parties, but like this will be like their birthday Disney trip. And we're also filming this video of trying out all the resorts, which I think the kids will be think it's so fun because we don't usually stay on Disney property. We usually stay off property just because you save a lot of money.

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Speaker 2:
[23:24] Yeah, we're all sharing a room.

Speaker 3:
[23:25] Dang.

Speaker 2:
[23:25] Yeah, which is so funny cause Augie wakes up about two hours earlier than Griffin.

Speaker 3:
[23:30] We'll just have to go to bed when our kids go to bed.

Speaker 2:
[23:31] And there's no way they're gonna be able to nap because we're gonna not have a room available. Cause if we're switching every single day, our check in won't be till after their nap time every day. We'll have to check out at the other place before then. So we're just gonna have a sleepy trip. We're gonna have to go hard.

Speaker 3:
[23:44] We're gonna have to, we'll probably have to like go back to go to bed.

Speaker 2:
[23:47] Go hard and go home.

Speaker 3:
[23:48] Yeah, we should probably like skip nap time, but then put them to bed.

Speaker 2:
[23:52] We don't have an option.

Speaker 3:
[23:53] Around like 730 because they're gonna be absolutely tired. Okay, maybe leave the parks at 730.

Speaker 2:
[23:58] But that's also so lame. We'll never get to see the World of Color.

Speaker 3:
[24:01] How late do you want to stay?

Speaker 2:
[24:02] The light parade.

Speaker 3:
[24:02] How late do you have to stay for World of Color? Is that like an eight o'clock show?

Speaker 2:
[24:06] I don't know. We'll figure it out.

Speaker 3:
[24:07] We'll figure it out, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[24:09] But it should be really fun. I feel like it hasn't really sunk in for us that that's like literally happening.

Speaker 3:
[24:15] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[24:16] We'll be in Disney at this time next week.

Speaker 3:
[24:18] Wait, that's crazy. By the time you guys are watching this video, we'll be in Disney. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2:
[24:23] I know.

Speaker 3:
[24:23] That is so cool. I'm excited for that.

Speaker 2:
[24:26] It is so fun. I can't believe that we'll be celebrating a four-year-old and a three-year-old that trip.

Speaker 3:
[24:33] Gosh, that makes me feel old that we have kids that old.

Speaker 2:
[24:36] That's crazy. How do you feel about the fact that we're going to be empty nesters before we're 50 probably? Unless we have a surprise gift.

Speaker 3:
[24:46] Assuming that we stop at having four kids, because I feel like that's the number right now that we have in mind, I would say. That means that our last baby will be born when we're both 30, and then the kid would be out of the house when we're 48. Yeah, 30 plus 18 is 48. Gosh, we won't even be 50 yet and we'll have no kids in the house. I think my vote would be just to move back to Hawaii, honestly.

Speaker 2:
[25:16] I knew that would be your vote.

Speaker 3:
[25:17] I think I would just go surf every single day. I think that's what I would do. What do you think you would do with all your time without not having kids? Would you just open up a soup kitchen and cook for people? I feel like your love language is baking and cooking. Maybe you could just open up your own little soup kitchen and you can just feed people in need. Yeah, I would like that. I can help you too when I'm not surfing. You don't know how to cook. I don't know. I know how to run a business though. Maybe I could help run the volunteers or something. I don't know. Yeah. That would actually be really fun one day to have a non-profit of some sort. Something that we're really passionate about.

Speaker 2:
[25:57] I could easily see us doing that.

Speaker 3:
[25:59] Here's where I go back and forth on the non-profit thing because it'd be fun to start our own, but then there's also so many non-profits that already exist. We could partner with or donate to because they've already figured out the logistics of like helping people and they just need money to help pay the expenses. So, I don't know. But I do see the joy in having your own where it's like, it's like your baby and you're so excited to help people.

Speaker 2:
[26:23] Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3:
[26:25] Yeah. I mean, what do you honestly see us doing when we're 50 years old and we have no kids in the house?

Speaker 2:
[26:32] I'm sure I'll just follow my kids around wherever they go. I'm excited to set roots. Do you think we wouldn't start going into mom, mother-in-law mode?

Speaker 3:
[26:42] Yeah. Just help with the babies.

Speaker 2:
[26:45] Hopefully grandma mode pretty quickly too.

Speaker 3:
[26:48] Yeah. Do you think we'll have...

Speaker 2:
[26:49] I'm so excited. I've already come up with, I'm Lolly, you're Pop.

Speaker 3:
[26:52] Oh my God. Lolly and Pop. So 23 years from now, Griffin will be 26. We already had a baby when we were 26.

Speaker 2:
[27:01] We had two.

Speaker 3:
[27:02] So we're both 27 right now. So yeah, I mean, maybe when Griffin is 26, maybe he's already going to have a kid.

Speaker 2:
[27:10] You never know.

Speaker 3:
[27:10] Who knows?

Speaker 2:
[27:10] You never know.

Speaker 3:
[27:11] Maybe he won't even want to have kids.

Speaker 2:
[27:12] No, he always talks about it.

Speaker 3:
[27:13] Really? That's right. Yeah, he does.

Speaker 2:
[27:15] He's only three. So we're not going to hold him to that, but I would love that. And I feel like I'll just be hanging out with my friends, like planning parties, volunteering. I might take up some hobbies. I feel like when I'm older, I might golf or something.

Speaker 3:
[27:28] You would golf?

Speaker 2:
[27:30] Probably pickleball.

Speaker 3:
[27:31] I could see us being pickleball partners.

Speaker 2:
[27:33] Whatever is on trend at that point.

Speaker 3:
[27:34] I could see us also playing tennis.

Speaker 2:
[27:36] I'm going to have a book club. I might start a library.

Speaker 3:
[27:38] People are sleeping on tennis now. Now that everyone plays pickleball, if you look at like pickleball courts, the pickleball side is always packed and the tennis courts are just wide open.

Speaker 2:
[27:46] Let's do tennis then.

Speaker 3:
[27:47] I thought about getting into tennis because I think it takes more physical skill, right? For sure you have to run more. You got to run a lot for tennis.

Speaker 2:
[27:53] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[27:54] I think that's like a good workout.

Speaker 2:
[27:55] Maybe I'll take up tennis. I might actually be a fitness group, fitness instructor.

Speaker 3:
[28:00] I could see you doing that.

Speaker 2:
[28:01] That would be fun for me. Or maybe I'll just start working at a coffee stand so I can just chat it up and make coffee. There's a lot of things I could do.

Speaker 3:
[28:07] Yeah. I think finding stuff to do in our spare time is not going to be a problem.

Speaker 2:
[28:13] Yeah. I'll just be throwing gatherings.

Speaker 3:
[28:15] Yeah. I think the bigger question I want to ask is what are we going to do as a family for the next 20 years with all these kids? Because I've got all these big ideas for travel. I think we could probably try out doing some RV trips, like renting a big old honking RV and going to national parks.

Speaker 2:
[28:37] Are we those people though when you really think about it?

Speaker 3:
[28:39] I think we are. I think I am.

Speaker 2:
[28:41] I need a good shower.

Speaker 3:
[28:42] Well, I think the RV has a good shower, babe. I think we could shower in the RV. We could literally poop in our RV.

Speaker 2:
[28:47] See that? I don't know. I mean, I give it a shot.

Speaker 3:
[28:50] Because I think logistically, you don't have to get all your stuff out of the vehicle and then your home is on wheels. You can take it from National Park to National Park. And there's different campsites that you have hookups to stuff up your water to.

Speaker 2:
[29:03] Traveling like that, I feel like you spend your whole time trying to survive, that you can't really just have fun.

Speaker 3:
[29:10] OK. I also do see the...

Speaker 2:
[29:12] If you have to go empty out your toilet, then it's like, think about what you could have done with your time.

Speaker 3:
[29:16] I will say if you run the numbers, it can actually be cheaper just to stay at a budget hotel than it is to rent or buy an RV, because RVs are really expensive. So I could see that, but I want to be like an outdoors family.

Speaker 2:
[29:29] OK, yeah. Me too.

Speaker 3:
[29:30] I don't want to be the family that's on screens all the time.

Speaker 2:
[29:33] Well, we're not.

Speaker 3:
[29:34] Yeah, I know, but I think it's easy to slip into that trap. And so I want to be the family that just goes on hikes and adventures. And we could even be the family. Maybe one day we get a boat. Like, I know boats are a ton of work, but maybe one day when we have a bunch of preteens and teenagers and stuff, maybe it would make sense for us to have a boat.

Speaker 2:
[29:55] We just need to make friends with someone with a boat.

Speaker 3:
[29:57] That's true. That is easier. You don't have to take care of the boat.

Speaker 2:
[30:00] Yeah, seriously. We don't know the first thing about taking care of a boat.

Speaker 3:
[30:03] I've heard that.

Speaker 2:
[30:03] What even is a ballast?

Speaker 3:
[30:05] Well, you know, my uncle used to have a boat and then they sold it after a while because I think they had a lot of problems and there's a lot of maintenance and then they had to keep moving it whenever they moved. And yeah, so I don't I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[30:19] I have heard, though, that I didn't go on a boat until I was in college.

Speaker 3:
[30:23] That's right. That's right. And we went tubing together in college.

Speaker 2:
[30:26] Yeah. And I loved it.

Speaker 3:
[30:27] But we need to take you tubing again.

Speaker 2:
[30:29] My family was a lake family. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[30:31] Why wasn't your family a lake family?

Speaker 2:
[30:32] I think they're afraid of it.

Speaker 3:
[30:33] Why are they so afraid of the lake?

Speaker 2:
[30:35] Because they only go to Disney.

Speaker 3:
[30:37] Yeah. Your family. Oh, that is weird. Your parents are Disney adults. They're like, your mom is the definition of a Disney adult.

Speaker 2:
[30:44] She is.

Speaker 3:
[30:44] She's got all the popcorn buckets.

Speaker 2:
[30:46] I love that.

Speaker 3:
[30:46] She has her mini ears.

Speaker 2:
[30:48] I hope to have that same confidence one day.

Speaker 3:
[30:50] She just like buys things that are Disney just because it's Disney.

Speaker 2:
[30:53] Yeah. Why do you think I'm the way that I am?

Speaker 3:
[30:55] Because yeah, because of your mom.

Speaker 2:
[30:57] Right.

Speaker 3:
[30:57] You're just like your mother.

Speaker 2:
[30:59] Really? I think I'm more like my dad sometimes.

Speaker 3:
[31:04] I would say you're an even mix. I think I'm an even mix of my parents too.

Speaker 2:
[31:06] Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 3:
[31:07] I'm weird, you know, so.

Speaker 2:
[31:10] You didn't have to make it negative, but you did.

Speaker 3:
[31:13] I was like teasing you. I was trying to I was trying to like make you laugh there when I said you're just like your mother.

Speaker 2:
[31:17] I know.

Speaker 3:
[31:18] I know. It wasn't like the funniest joke.

Speaker 2:
[31:20] You always say I'm just like my grandma.

Speaker 3:
[31:22] That is actually true. Yes. That's true.

Speaker 2:
[31:25] I think you're the only person that says that. Do you think I'm like my grandma? She doesn't think I'm like my grandma.

Speaker 3:
[31:33] I think it's like, well, Abby's grandma has like so many friends. She's like the social girly in her community. I feel like that's you. Thank you to Zoc Doc for sponsoring this portion of today's episode. Raise your hand if you've been putting off a doctor's visit or a dental cleaning or an annual checkup. I feel like that's a lot of us.

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Speaker 3:
[33:03] Like you're like, yeah, you're outgoing. Like you're the matchmaker of friends. Like you, you put so many different people together.

Speaker 2:
[33:08] Thanks.

Speaker 3:
[33:09] That's just a fact.

Speaker 2:
[33:10] I was really asking, I was wondering if I'm outgoing in my, I was just wondering if I was outgoing. And I'm like, I don't actually think I am. I think I'm, this is the thing about my personality that freaks people out. If I don't want to talk, I don't talk. And then it freaks people out when I don't talk. And then people reach out and think there's something wrong with me. Freaks your parents out.

Speaker 3:
[33:27] Yeah. If I, I always feel like I need to talk.

Speaker 2:
[33:30] Yeah. I don't, I don't feel the need to fill silence. If it's quiet.

Speaker 3:
[33:33] I've been trained by John and Teresa to fill the silence. And the only time that I'm not going to fill the silence is if I've like known you for a super long time. But if you're someone that like, I don't know well, like we can't have silence.

Speaker 2:
[33:45] Yeah, I'm pretty comfortable with it. Like I doesn't, it doesn't even cross my mind to fill it. But then people, I know that I'm the weird one because people like text me after they see me and they're like, hey, was everything OK? You're like, you were more quiet.

Speaker 3:
[33:56] That's really funny. That actually happens to you.

Speaker 2:
[33:58] Yeah. It happened to me this week.

Speaker 3:
[34:00] I've never once had someone text me that.

Speaker 2:
[34:01] Happened to me this week. If I don't want to talk, I just don't.

Speaker 3:
[34:04] But when I'm in an Uber, you know what I always do?

Speaker 2:
[34:05] And it doesn't mean that something's wrong. I just don't feel like it.

Speaker 3:
[34:07] I always talk to the Uber driver when I'm in an Uber.

Speaker 2:
[34:10] You stop doing that more though.

Speaker 3:
[34:12] OK, true. A little bit more. But even recently when I was stuck and stranded in LA, talked to every single Uber driver.

Speaker 2:
[34:18] That's how I actually thought that you had your spark back because you started talking to people on planes and Ubers again.

Speaker 3:
[34:22] Oh, thanks. Yeah. Do you think I have my spark back?

Speaker 2:
[34:25] I think you're getting it back.

Speaker 3:
[34:26] Oh, thanks. I don't know. Okay. I'm getting it back. All right. Thank you, babe.

Speaker 2:
[34:34] That was a compliment.

Speaker 3:
[34:35] Is it hard for you to talk right now because there's all this congestion?

Speaker 2:
[34:37] My throat does hurt.

Speaker 3:
[34:39] See, my throat doesn't even hurt. It's just all up here. I can just feel all this congestion, all this headache going on. It does not feel good.

Speaker 2:
[34:47] You're ruining my thing with being sick. I got to just pretend I'm not and just keep going forward.

Speaker 3:
[34:52] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[34:53] Keep treating it like everything's fine. And then you just get over it. But then last night, I hit a real, yeah, a real tap out moment.

Speaker 3:
[35:01] Yes. Well, you did. You did tap out, which is OK. I did tap out.

Speaker 2:
[35:04] I said, here's my flag. I'm done.

Speaker 3:
[35:06] I just I just hand. Which I like you usually do the mornings with the boys, and I usually do bedtime with the boys.

Speaker 2:
[35:11] But I like I think I I was like, I actually you're not going to see me. Yeah, I'm gone.

Speaker 3:
[35:17] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[35:18] But hey, you know what? It's fine.

Speaker 3:
[35:20] Totally.

Speaker 2:
[35:21] Should we talk about the gender reveal?

Speaker 3:
[35:23] I think we should talk about the gender reveal. Should we say what the gender is? Three, two, one.

Speaker 1:
[35:29] It's a boy.

Speaker 3:
[35:32] If you guys did not already know that we're having a boy, we're having a boy. I think we've been putting out some different videos. I think there's like a gender reveal YouTube video out. If you guys want to go watch that, that was like so much fun. Finding out the gender ourselves, that whole journey was like really exciting. We also threw a gender reveal party for all of our friends, which can we just be honest, babe? It was just an excuse to throw a party.

Speaker 2:
[35:53] Of course.

Speaker 3:
[35:54] It was a really good party too. You did an incredible job throwing the party.

Speaker 2:
[35:56] It was so funsies. I had a great time. And yeah, like let's go back to the beginning because we found out the gender at 10 weeks.

Speaker 3:
[36:04] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[36:04] We did the early, like I think it's called the NIPT test.

Speaker 3:
[36:07] Yeah, earliest we've ever found out.

Speaker 2:
[36:08] NITP? No, PT. NITP test. We did like the whole screening. Yeah. Just being high risk. We were recommended. And so it was the first time we've done that. And so obviously we were going to find out the gender anyway. We're like, if anyone knows, it's going to be us.

Speaker 3:
[36:23] 100 percent.

Speaker 2:
[36:23] And so the day that we got the results, we sent it to my mom, who was like beside herself, giving like being given this duty. We were at the gym and there was a glitch with the site that was like showing like the lab that they sent it to that had the results. There was a glitch and she was going crazy because she was like this close to knowing the gender.

Speaker 3:
[36:45] And it wouldn't show it.

Speaker 2:
[36:46] And it wouldn't show it. It wouldn't show any of the results. And I think at this point, like I was obviously very excited to know the gender, but just so like wrapped up in fear about anything being wrong. Cause I also knew that this test was going to reveal everything like, like basically assessing the risks for the baby having any of these like genetic problems. And like, I think they, I don't think they say that your baby has it, but they assess like high, moderate, low risk. And so I'm like more so worried about that at this point. Very eager to know the gender, of course, but just so wrapped up in fear. And so then my mom, I was like, mom, refresh the site cause now I think it's working. And she's like, she texted me after, she's like, it's working. Okay. And then like that day she's like, oh, I didn't know you were going to find out today. I was like, you don't get to just sit on these results by yourself for several days. And so we went to Hobby Lobby cause we couldn't find natural flowers that were blue.

Speaker 3:
[37:41] We went on an entire journey to go find blue and pink flowers because the whole idea was for our boys to bring us out the color of flowers that the gender of the baby was.

Speaker 2:
[37:51] And we could find lots of pink flowers.

Speaker 3:
[37:53] Yeah. And we couldn't find blue ones. We ended up going to Hobby Lobby and we found fake ones. We found fake blue and pink flowers, so cute. And then the boys, you know, brought us the flowers that the gender of the baby was.

Speaker 2:
[38:05] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[38:06] Yeah. Which was a boy.

Speaker 2:
[38:07] I feel like this brings up the topic of gender disappointment because this is like a hot topic among like this, like the new mom community, the pregnancy community, because you got one side that's like, you should just be grateful and like don't, you're not allowed to feel like that's so crazy. Like just don't, blah, blah, don't worry about it. And you have the other side that's like, no, like your feelings are valid. You're allowed to like feel disappointment in some way. Did you feel any gender disappointment, Matt Howard?

Speaker 3:
[38:34] Oh gosh, I'm like, what's the answer do I give right now?

Speaker 2:
[38:37] The honest one.

Speaker 3:
[38:38] I have like the honest answer. I mean, I guess to be completely, I don't care, just be honest. I guess to be completely 100 percent honest, yeah. I mean, like we lost our daughter because of the miscarriage. And so I really did want a daughter. So I think at first I was just like, dang it. Like, I really I wanted that more than anything. I wanted that for you because I want you to have like a mini version of you that you can just like go get your nails done. And and and I just like see the sweet bond that you and your mom have. And even if if our kid 20 years from now is watching this video back, it's like the the fact of the matter is like, I'm so excited to have three boys. I think the the switch in my brain quickly turned on of like, oh, my gosh, like I am one of three boys. This is this is like something that I get to experience, like my dad did. And I had this conversation with my dad when I took him to Universal Studios on like a boy strip with me and my brothers like two months ago. And we just talked about how fun it how fun it is to have, you know, your boys and how like maybe I go golfing with our boys and we can like two of us are on one on one golf cart, the other two on another golf cart. Like there's so many fun things that we can do as just guys being dudes. I'm excited.

Speaker 2:
[39:55] I would say for me, I did feel gender disappointment for about 30 seconds.

Speaker 3:
[40:01] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[40:03] Maybe less. Yeah. I think that I've always said, like I just feel like we're gonna have boys. And then sure enough, we had one boy, we had our second boy. And then like, I was like, I love the boy life. And then losing our daughter definitely opened up like a desire for something that like much greater than I'd ever had before. Like of course, I'd always loved to have a daughter, but it was just like, I never really like felt an obvious preference.

Speaker 3:
[40:29] Yeah. Did you feel guilty at all for one for like feeling disappointed?

Speaker 2:
[40:32] No, no.

Speaker 3:
[40:33] You didn't feel guilty?

Speaker 2:
[40:34] I'm just learning to feel my feelings.

Speaker 3:
[40:36] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[40:37] Just let them be. So I had always pictured having all boys. And then we lost a baby girl. And that kind of opened up a preference in my like, in my heart for a daughter that I'd never had before. And so then getting pregnant again, I was kind of like nervously like hoping like, oh man, I hope we have a daughter. I hope we have a daughter.

Speaker 3:
[40:59] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[41:00] And then this is going to make me cry. But I think the reason I experienced that disappointment for like 30 seconds was because I was coming to terms with the fact that I didn't have like a girl sized hole in my heart, like I have like a Emerson sized one. Like I just like wanted her.

Speaker 3:
[41:23] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[41:24] And so like having another baby girl wasn't going to fix that. And so I honestly think that this was like sweet grace in a way that like, it's very obvious now that this baby is not ever going to fill that gap.

Speaker 3:
[41:40] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[41:40] This is a totally different baby, totally different pregnancy, which has also been like a sweet reminder to that this is not the same thing. We're not reliving the same thing over and over again. So then I quickly like, I feel like you could even see the video, like the span of like 10, 15 seconds. I just like, it felt so excited about like this little boy, like just so excited. And I just feel like it makes a lot of sense with our boy life. Can I have a tissue please? Like I could totally see this boy joining our squad and like it being like just a whole lot of rowdy fun in our house and like it has been. But honestly like that moment, it feels so foreign to me because we have known that we're having a boy for so long now that it's like, I even kind of forgot that I felt that way, but I do want to acknowledge it for any mom that just like does feel the same way. And I know some people feel gender disappointment way stronger than that. I'm almost hesitant to even call it that because it's like, we're so excited. We're so excited and we're so thrilled. And we honestly, relatively, it doesn't matter at all to us, like the gender of this baby. We just wanted to have a baby regardless of if it was gonna be a son or daughter. It's like, it's almost hard for me to even remember being like, oh, I'm kind of like disappointed by this. But I also want to be honest with myself for myself and for people that also have like experienced that. Mine didn't run super deep, but because I think I just like, I just really would love to add another member to our family regardless, but now it just is like boy squad over here.

Speaker 3:
[43:14] Yeah, boy squad, literally same exact family dynamic as what I grew up with being the middle child of three brothers.

Speaker 2:
[43:22] I know, so funny.

Speaker 3:
[43:24] Which guys, I sent Abby a video earlier this week. By the way, thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 2:
[43:30] Oh, you're welcome.

Speaker 3:
[43:31] That was very vulnerable of you. And also I think it's cool. I think it's cool that we're acknowledging the slight gender disappointment that we felt because I think it's normal to feel that. I think where it ends though is like...

Speaker 2:
[43:43] It ended the second we found out.

Speaker 3:
[43:45] Yeah, and I think if you're someone that is having severe gender disappointment to where it doesn't end within say 24 hours, maybe that's when you need to go to therapy about and talk through why you wanted that specific gender so bad. Because you don't want, I think it's important that you love your kids so much and you never want something like that to come between your ability to love your kid.

Speaker 2:
[44:10] Well, also I feel like a strong gender disappointment, maybe I'm wrong, but in my opinion, a really strong gender disappointment is honestly you putting on all your hopes and dreams for your kid and mourning all that at once. Say if you're like, okay, a girl is gonna be my little dancer, like Valerie, and she's gonna do everything I did, she's gonna dress like me, she's gonna do her hair like me, she's gonna do her nails like me. Maybe this girl is not gonna want to do any of those things that you want. It's like you're building this whole dream on a stereotype.

Speaker 3:
[44:43] Exactly. Well, that's like what I said.

Speaker 2:
[44:44] She could be a baseball player that wants nothing to do with dance, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3:
[44:48] And I sent you a little video I saw of Chris Hemsworth with all of his boys surfing in Australia. And I'm like, this is my dream, but I'm not gonna force that on our kids. If our kids don't wanna surf with me, I'm not gonna force them to surf with me. I mean, maybe it's like we make our kids try things. Just like we make our kids try foods, I'll be like, okay, you're gonna try surfing. If you hate surfing, you don't have to keep surfing. We're not gonna make you. But I think it's really important to acknowledge that. And yeah, I am really excited because I can just visually see me taking our boys, all of us together as a group, just going and surfing or going and golfing. I don't even like golf, but I would love to golf with my boys. Snowboarding trips, hitting the skate park together, doing literally anything, anything together. I'm just excited for it.

Speaker 2:
[45:37] Oh, I'm stoked. I'm like, we already know all the boy things. Yeah, we got it. We got to unlock my and my really good friend had just had her third boy, too. So we always talk about, like, anytime we go anywhere, we're going to be toting around six boys in total. It's a lot of therefore we can't go anywhere except each other's houses are apart. Like, where else are we going to go and take them to a restaurant? Six little boys to a restaurant? No.

Speaker 3:
[46:02] We'll have to go to a restaurant that has a little playset.

Speaker 2:
[46:05] They can only be outside, that many boys together.

Speaker 3:
[46:08] I've actually thought about this. Like, I've thought about starting up some sort of business or coffee shop or restaurant that has, like, a built-in playset for kids.

Speaker 2:
[46:17] There needs to be more like the Joe's Crab Shack.

Speaker 3:
[46:19] Yeah. Yeah. There's a Joe's Crab Shack in Southern California that has a playset and we love taking our kids to that specific Joe's Crab Shack because they can just play. And we can actually eat our food in peace.

Speaker 2:
[46:30] They can't sit still.

Speaker 3:
[46:31] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[46:32] But yeah, no, we're totally thrilled. We've got all the clothes. They are pretty wrecked at this point though because our boys go hard.

Speaker 3:
[46:40] But I know we're going to save. We're going to save some money to like buy.

Speaker 2:
[46:43] Yeah. I think people say that. But here's what they forget is that moms a lot of times want their kids to match. Then you just end up buying all new things. Each kid you have, it's just 3X. That's starts off as 2X.

Speaker 3:
[46:55] They don't have to match all the time.

Speaker 2:
[46:56] It starts off as 3X.

Speaker 3:
[46:57] Just maybe matching on weekends. If we're going out to a dinner, we're getting family photos, we can get all matching outfits, get matching swimsuits.

Speaker 2:
[47:04] It's just so easy to add. If you see a really cute outfit, you're like, okay, I guess we got to get it in every size now.

Speaker 3:
[47:10] How do you feel about embracing being a boy mom?

Speaker 2:
[47:13] I know. Do I seem like a boy mom?

Speaker 3:
[47:14] You're a boy mom.

Speaker 2:
[47:15] I guess I do seem like a boy mom. I feel like it's so, I love it.

Speaker 3:
[47:21] How funny is it that I'm a dude that did tap dancing in ballet class and I'm a boy dad? How funny is that?

Speaker 2:
[47:30] Exactly. There's no blueprint for what we expect of our kids for their life. They can do their thing. They're so excited too. The boys are so excited. I think the way that we did it, they had no idea really what bringing blue flowers meant. But now that the baby has a name, we talk about him all the time and they make plans for him all the time.

Speaker 3:
[47:55] They do?

Speaker 2:
[47:55] Oh my gosh, all the time. They're like, oh, I'm going to say the name by accident.

Speaker 3:
[47:59] But yeah, they've been, well, they spoiled the gender to like our entire family before the gender reveal because they kept referring to the baby's name and it's a male name. So people were like, oh, it's a boy.

Speaker 2:
[48:11] Say that again, say that again, say that again. Well, I think you spoiled it a couple of times too.

Speaker 3:
[48:16] Yeah. I accidentally said something about being like a boy dad and something about like, I think, I think I might've said something about trying for a girl, which I know I'm not supposed to say that.

Speaker 2:
[48:26] I just think it sends the wrong message. I feel like when you say you're trying for a girl, it makes it sound like you're having another kid only in the hopes that you can have a daughter, when that's not the case at all, when we, if and when we go to add another member to our family.

Speaker 3:
[48:40] Yeah. Well, can it be both though? Like, can we be trying for a girl? No. No? It doesn't work that way?

Speaker 2:
[48:49] Because if you're trying for a girl and then have a boy, then you failed.

Speaker 3:
[48:53] Was that, like, and that's, like, bad? Like, we're supposed to be, like, whoa, we're sad. Like, what? I'm just confused.

Speaker 2:
[48:57] That should never, having a baby should never be classified as a fail.

Speaker 3:
[49:00] I'm confused at this point. Okay. I see what you're saying. Yeah. There's no, yeah. I did not view this in any way as a fail.

Speaker 2:
[49:07] I'm just saying it doesn't sound right to say it. Never say it ever again.

Speaker 3:
[49:12] This is going to get clipped.

Speaker 2:
[49:12] It's also not how we view it.

Speaker 3:
[49:14] This is going to get clipped and then someone's going to be like, wow, Matt hates boys or something. I don't know. Anyway. Instagram.

Speaker 2:
[49:22] I think you love boys.

Speaker 3:
[49:23] I do actually. I do really. I actually really like having boys. I love it, but I really want a girl now.

Speaker 2:
[49:29] Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3:
[49:30] But if it doesn't happen. Okay. I take that back. I will be content if we have four boys.

Speaker 2:
[49:35] You have foot and mouth syndrome. Let's just put that out there.

Speaker 3:
[49:37] I do. Thank you so much to BetterHelp for sponsoring this portion of today's episode.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 3:
[50:05] And that's exactly where therapy comes in. I actually started going to solo therapy. Was that a year ago now?

Speaker 2:
[50:10] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[50:10] Wow. I feel like I'm more emotionally intelligent. I feel like I'm a better version of myself to my wife, my kids. And with over 30,000 therapists, BetterHelp is one of the world's largest online therapy platforms, having served over 6 million people globally.

Speaker 2:
[50:25] BetterHelp does the initial matching work, so you can focus on your therapy goals. They just send you a short questionnaire to help identify your needs and preferences. And their 12 plus years of experience in industry leading match fulfillment rate means they typically get it right the first time. But if you aren't happy with your match, you can switch to a different therapist at any time. I always think that as a mom, it's a personal duty of mine to show up as the best version of myself for my kids and for my husband and for my family and for my friends and so I think therapy has really helped me access that more.

Speaker 3:
[50:52] When life feels overwhelming, therapy can help. Sign up and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/unplannedpodcast. That's betterhelp.com/unplannedpodcast. I also say things as they jump into my brain and then I like process them after they've already been said.

Speaker 2:
[51:09] That's why I've recently started trying with you and it never works. Do you want to try that again?

Speaker 3:
[51:13] I like that.

Speaker 2:
[51:14] No, you don't like it when I say it.

Speaker 3:
[51:18] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[51:19] No, you don't.

Speaker 3:
[51:20] Okay. Next up, we did a poll on Instagram to see what you guys thought the baby's gender was. And 72% of people said they thought it was a girl.

Speaker 2:
[51:30] Oh, they're so sweet.

Speaker 3:
[51:32] I know. They're so sweet. I think like everyone wanted us to have a girl because of what happened, but it's which is so sweet. Like they, everybody meant, everybody meant well. And I love that.

Speaker 2:
[51:42] This baby is, it's just such a...

Speaker 3:
[51:44] This baby's gonna be so loved.

Speaker 2:
[51:45] Oh, this baby's already so loved. And it's just so, like I said before, it's just a really sweet reminder that this is like a new, a whole new thing we're going through because a lot of times, like, especially early on, I was like, oh my gosh, I have for reliving this. And I can't like a lot of fear around reliving that.

Speaker 3:
[52:03] We also consulted all of you guys on Instagram. Thank you to everyone that's following Unplanned on Instagram, The Unplanned Podcast on Instagram. We did a little poll about gender reveal hot takes. And the first hot take was mother-in-laws need to make sure they're not stealing the spotlight at the gender reveal. I would agree with that. I've seen some-

Speaker 2:
[52:24] Is that a huge phenomenon?

Speaker 3:
[52:25] So I didn't know that was a thing, but I've seen some like TikToks where like mother-in-laws do steal the spotlight.

Speaker 2:
[52:31] You're gonna have to hold me back.

Speaker 3:
[52:33] What do you mean? Like, do you think at our kids?

Speaker 2:
[52:34] Now we have three boys. I am the mother-in-law, X3. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I'm one that... I'm an eager beaver.

Speaker 3:
[52:43] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:44] But I think...

Speaker 3:
[52:45] Well, do you know what's happened? Like, I've seen videos of where it's like they're about to announce and then it like goes off and the balloons are like they pop balloons or whatever. They have like poppers and it's white and then the mother-in-law pops it and does the popper with like pink or blue. She's the one they announce. It's like she steals the announcement from the couple. Have you heard of that?

Speaker 2:
[53:04] No.

Speaker 3:
[53:04] No, that's like what's happened.

Speaker 2:
[53:05] Like she switched the poppers?

Speaker 3:
[53:08] Yes, to where the mother-in-law was the one that announced and yes.

Speaker 2:
[53:11] Oh, that is horrible.

Speaker 3:
[53:13] Right? But like I think...

Speaker 2:
[53:14] I wouldn't... It is almost... It is hands down. I would literally never even think of doing that.

Speaker 3:
[53:18] I've only saw like two videos like that though.

Speaker 2:
[53:21] I've only seen intimate gender reveals recently.

Speaker 3:
[53:23] Have you seen...

Speaker 2:
[53:24] There's been a resurgence of intimate gender reveals.

Speaker 3:
[53:26] Yeah, I think every... I think every... Let's be honest, babe. I think like every influencer got scared of doing a gender reveal that like goes viral for the wrong reasons.

Speaker 2:
[53:34] We did it. We did a big gender reveal.

Speaker 3:
[53:35] But ours was never like... We didn't go crazy. There's people that have done like drone gender reveals where they have like drones showing like the color in the sky. There's our sweet friend, Nicole, the nomad, partnered with a firework company, which she didn't know. They like surprised her.

Speaker 2:
[53:50] She didn't know how big it was going to be.

Speaker 3:
[53:51] You guys have probably seen this video. It went viral like two years ago, but our sweet friend, Nicole, the firework company that she collabed with surprised her. And rather than doing like a little pew, like, yay, one firework.

Speaker 2:
[54:01] They did like a Disney World level.

Speaker 3:
[54:03] They did like the most extreme. We'll have to put the video up. It's actually really funny.

Speaker 2:
[54:09] Consult her first.

Speaker 3:
[54:10] We'll have to see if it's okay. I don't know. We wouldn't be respectful of her. She's so sweet. I felt bad that people were not being the nicest in her comments. But like, you know, gender reveals, some gender reveals have gotten a little crazy. You know, they've got a little cuckoo crazy.

Speaker 2:
[54:23] Well, and so we just did like some simple as we said, the whole no, as we said, the whole reason that we threw a gender reveal party was literally just a celebration of life, a celebration of pregnancy. Yeah, because like it's just another thing to just be grateful for because we were literally planning the gender reveal for Emerson.

Speaker 3:
[54:40] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[54:41] When we found out like the horrible news. And so like the fact that we got to that milestone, like if I'm totally honest, everything in me did not want to throw a gender reveal party for so long. In fact, I couldn't plan it until like the week before because it just felt like it was not going to happen.

Speaker 3:
[54:56] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[54:57] Like it just felt like the rug was just about to be slipped out from under me again. And that's what I was saying. Like it was so nice to also be reminded because we did know the gender at this point. Like, hey, it's not the same thing. It's not the same thing. Like, this is totally different. This is totally different. But even still, like my friends were so sweet. They're like, let me help. Like, and I just couldn't even let anyone else do it because it just felt like this pipe dream that we would have this gender reveal. It just felt like it was never gonna come. And so, yes, it is silly to have a party about the sex of your baby, but in like the deeper level is that it's like, oh, we're just celebrating that we got to this milestone of like this stage of pregnancy that we never thought we'd get to. And like, we get to just celebrate that baby's growing. We're here. We know more about this baby. And like, it just felt like more than ever, it was important to celebrate like everything that was happening with this pregnancy.

Speaker 3:
[55:53] Yeah, I just honestly view them as more of an excuse to throw a party. And I find it interesting here because one of the comments that we saw on Instagram was someone saying that they're not even like a thing in Europe. Like in Europe, nobody like throws gender reveals apparently.

Speaker 2:
[56:06] They're too classy.

Speaker 3:
[56:07] I get it. Like, yeah, Europeans are classy people. But guys, it is fun. Parties are fun. Got to just even if it's just like a pink cake, you know, just a little something, little something, something, you know, and then you get all your friends and family together. I also just love having parties at our house. Here, I'll get your water bottle for you.

Speaker 2:
[56:27] Actually, can we explain like a little bit of like what we did at the party?

Speaker 3:
[56:30] Yeah, let's talk about it.

Speaker 2:
[56:31] So the theme was a baby is brewing. I got it off Pinterest. Don't think I'm trying to steal somebody's idea. It wasn't original. But then we had our favorite local coffee shop, Light Heart Coffee, come into a coffee stand. And they did pink and blue cold foam on top of coffee beverages and matcha and chocolate milk and lemonade. So we got all our bases covered. And so everyone had fun like picking out their color of cold foam and their sprinkles on top. It was really sweet. We had a beautiful balloon display with little coffee beans on it. It said baby is brewing, boy or girl.

Speaker 3:
[57:04] And we have a lot of LDS friends or what you might know as Mormon. And so our LDS friends don't drink coffee. They don't drink tea.

Speaker 2:
[57:12] We did run out of chocolate milk.

Speaker 3:
[57:13] And so we had chocolate milk for them, which I thought was so thoughtful of you to have the coffee.

Speaker 2:
[57:18] They drank us dry.

Speaker 3:
[57:19] The coffee cart had chocolate milk. So that was awesome.

Speaker 2:
[57:21] And we had some pastries from a local bakery called Chunk that they're the sweetest ever. They have been just consistently the best ever to our family. And their pastries were so good. If you are local, you have got to try them out. And we also had some chicken minis from Chick-fil-A. And then we all just like hung out. We didn't do any like games or anything.

Speaker 3:
[57:42] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[57:42] But everyone just hung out. It was a beautiful day.

Speaker 3:
[57:45] I had. Oh, I hired a turf cleaning company to clean our turf before the gender reveal. Because our turf smells like poop and pee now that we have a dog. It's disgusting. And so they did a good job cleaning the turf for your contribution. It didn't smell bad. I did. I set up all the tables and chairs and I vlogged the whole thing. You guys should watch the vlog. It was a fun.

Speaker 2:
[58:05] Yes, we made lots of videos of the day.

Speaker 3:
[58:07] I think it'd be fun. Like, I love throwing parties so much. We should start just like making like party prep content. We just like vlog us setting up the party. Everyone can watch. Like, I think it's fun to watch videos, too, of parties being set up, like to see the change from like nothing to something being done is cool. And then and then it's just like fun to hang out with our friends.

Speaker 2:
[58:24] Seriously, it was a really fun, great day. Read more of the horror stories.

Speaker 3:
[58:30] Yeah, if you're not going to be happy for both genders, don't have a reveal or a child. That's what the hot take is from this person.

Speaker 2:
[58:38] I think that's pretty accurate.

Speaker 3:
[58:40] Yeah, I mean, like I could see that. I think I think like some people, I could see where someone would have like.

Speaker 2:
[58:47] Don't do it publicly if you're really going to be.

Speaker 3:
[58:48] Yeah, yeah, if you are, I agree with that. If you are going to be like affected by not getting your boy or getting your girl, maybe do a personal reveal before the actual party. You don't want to like, you don't want to. That just could make people uncomfortable if you're like balling after the gender reveal. It's like it's a boy and you're like, I wanted my girl and you're like balling. You don't want to be doing that.

Speaker 2:
[59:09] I feel like the videos I've seen are like, the dad will have like two perfect little sweet little girls and they do the poppers and it's pink again and then he gets so mad.

Speaker 3:
[59:21] Yeah, see, like you got to just tell the guy before, like process that before the party.

Speaker 2:
[59:25] Wait, that guy probably should.

Speaker 3:
[59:27] Yeah, maybe go see your therapist before.

Speaker 2:
[59:29] That's weird.

Speaker 3:
[59:30] Maybe schedule a therapy appointment to work through that. That is weird. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[59:34] Like to actually be mad.

Speaker 3:
[59:36] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[59:36] Actually, the book I'm reading right now, that just happened. It's called The Frozen River.

Speaker 3:
[59:39] Yeah. What is the book about?

Speaker 2:
[59:43] The dad really wanted a boy and he had a third girl.

Speaker 3:
[59:45] And he's upset.

Speaker 2:
[59:46] And he was really mad because he needs help. It was also the 1700s. They had to make their own help. I don't know. Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[59:55] That's crazy. Do you talk about your books on Always Here?

Speaker 2:
[59:59] Sometimes.

Speaker 3:
[60:00] Are people...

Speaker 2:
[60:01] I read a lot of books that nobody knows about too.

Speaker 3:
[60:03] Do you like the... I got you new books, is this...

Speaker 2:
[60:05] It was really sad.

Speaker 3:
[60:06] The book that I got you was really sad. It's by the same author that...

Speaker 2:
[60:09] I gave it five stars.

Speaker 3:
[60:10] You gave my book five stars? It's the same author that wrote A Man Called Ove, right?

Speaker 2:
[60:16] Is it Ove or Ove? I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[60:18] Ove. A Man Called Ove.

Speaker 2:
[60:19] I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[60:22] Another person submitted, this wasn't really a hot take, but she just said that she shot her husband with paintballs, which that's kind of fun.

Speaker 2:
[60:28] That's a good way to do it.

Speaker 3:
[60:29] That is a good way to do it. I mean, like his back's turned pink no matter what. So you might need to have like some very colorful...

Speaker 2:
[60:35] No, you're supposed to wear a white shirt.

Speaker 3:
[60:37] Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Yep. I'm dumb.

Speaker 2:
[60:42] I think I've seen before someone did like water guns. With blue or pink water. That'd be kind of fun. It gets a little crazy at some point.

Speaker 3:
[60:52] Also, I think this goes without saying, you guys have been so kind and supportive with us since announcing that we're pregnant with our rainbow baby. I think this is our first episode back since our announcement episode. So just like seeing you guys commenting nice things, supportive things in the comments has been just really encouraging. And I think we have like a really cool community here. I think you guys are cool. Abby got to meet a lot of you guys at an event that she did for her Always Here podcast. And I feel like the community for the Always Here podcast is very similar to The Unplanned Podcast, similar to the Matt and Abby community. And I think the consistent theme I've just seen in the people that we've met is just how you are. You're all so kind and you're all so just genuine and nice and like positive people. And that's like the people that I want to surround myself with. I know that Abby wants to surround herself with too. So thank you to everyone for just the immense amount of like kindness that you've shown us. Because we are genuinely so excited for this baby boy. And it's just going to be fun to watch these boys grow up together.

Speaker 2:
[62:01] I know, I'm so excited.

Speaker 3:
[62:03] And wrestle. I think the more I read about birth order and learn about the dynamics between siblings, I think like, well, correct me if I'm wrong, but our game plan right now is to have our fourth as soon as we can after the third, just because having kids close.

Speaker 2:
[62:26] Well, it will be a long time.

Speaker 3:
[62:27] I mean, because of the C-section, it'll be a long time. But yeah, the closer they are to together, I think the closer they can be as like friends. I feel so bad that you're sick.

Speaker 2:
[62:39] We'll have two little duos.

Speaker 3:
[62:41] Wait, but we, okay, this is a new development that we, we learned this, Abby, like two weeks ago at a pregnancy appointment. There's a potential for you to not have a C-section this time.

Speaker 2:
[62:53] I mean, probably like less than 1% potential.

Speaker 3:
[62:57] But I thought she acted, I thought the doctor acted like it was bigger than that.

Speaker 2:
[63:00] I think it's only because we have switched doctors since our first son's delivery. So she is, she has like sought the hospital records from like our first child's delivery to see how long the shoulder dystocia happened. His shoulders got stuck. And I think she would be more inclined to like, let me try for a V-back if it was like a shorter amount of time, because she asked us how long he was stuck. And I was like, Matt, do you have any clue? Neither of us had any clue. I think we both just like blacked out. But I mean, I know that there was time for other nurses to come in the room. So I'm thinking that's a minimum of 60 seconds, which kind of feels like a long time in the grand scheme of if you have five minutes, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3:
[63:46] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[63:47] So she's sought the records. So I'm sure at our next appointment, she'll probably give me a better idea. I think it also depends too on how the baby's measuring. Because it's not like we have massive babies, but like definitely bigger than I think they're like 88 percentile, 90 percentile.

Speaker 3:
[64:02] We've had bigger babies, but I think from what they measured this baby boy, I don't know if that's totally accurate because the first skin was different.

Speaker 2:
[64:11] So I feel like right now we won't know really till the growth scan.

Speaker 3:
[64:14] Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think like from what we see in our babies average, like he's right there at like what's normal, what's good. So that makes us feel great that there's like no concern there. But I mean, would you do you think you would actually go for a VBAC? If your doctor gave you the option, would you go for a VBAC?

Speaker 2:
[64:33] If my doctor gave me the option, yes.

Speaker 3:
[64:36] Why is that?

Speaker 2:
[64:38] Because I don't want to have, why are you asking me that question? I feel like it's kind of obvious. Like as minimal intervention as possible.

Speaker 3:
[64:49] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[64:50] But if a C-section is deemed the safest option, I trust my doctor.

Speaker 3:
[64:54] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[64:54] Like I'm not one of those people that's like, I think that doctors are lying to me. Like and so, and I do probably feel like, I feel a lot of peace with having a scheduled C-section too. So I'm like, either way I'm like, I'm not super worried about it and I feel comfortable. I'm excited to meet the baby.

Speaker 3:
[65:14] I just thought that was cool that she at least like entertained the possibility of a VBAC for you. Cause I know that from what we've talked about, you would love to do a VBAC if, if it's safe, if the doctor thinks it's safe. And so her at least just presenting that potential opportunity is amazing. Just because like, yeah, I mean, like the recovery from a C-section sucks. Like you, you experienced that it wasn't, it wasn't fun. It wasn't easy.

Speaker 2:
[65:42] And then there's also just changes our timeline to like, it also limits the amount of babies you can have.

Speaker 3:
[65:47] Exactly. And that's why she brought it up. Cause she was like, if you guys are planning on having a lot more kids, we might need to try to do the VBAC if, if we deem it to be safe because you really, I don't think you can do more. They limit you to four C-sections, right?

Speaker 2:
[65:59] I mean, they don't know you can keep having them, but your risk increases each time.

Speaker 3:
[66:04] And that's of uterine rupture, right? Just not good on your uterus because they're just cutting it open over and over. That's a lot.

Speaker 2:
[66:11] So, I mean, I feel like we're just, I think that's what the doctor's job is to do is to just basically assess risk.

Speaker 3:
[66:17] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[66:18] And so obviously it changes things if we intend to have a bigger family. But, you know, I would hate for the number of kids in our family to be limited just because of a C-section, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3:
[66:33] That totally makes sense.

Speaker 2:
[66:34] So, especially if it seems like it could be an option.

Speaker 3:
[66:38] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[66:38] That's safe for me and for the baby. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm really excited to meet this baby. I already feel like I know his whole personality and I already love him so much.

Speaker 3:
[66:47] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[66:47] I always tell Matt, like, the baby, our baby's personalities. And I feel like I've been spot on. So I feel like this guy is a little comedian. I feel like he's going to be really funny and chill.

Speaker 3:
[66:58] How do you even come up with that, with him just being in your womb?

Speaker 2:
[67:01] Trust me, I'm right. I know.

Speaker 3:
[67:03] I'm excited to meet him.

Speaker 2:
[67:04] I'm really in tune with him.

Speaker 3:
[67:06] But that's hilarious.

Speaker 2:
[67:08] Yeah, I'm so excited to be a boy mom of three. Like, I love that.

Speaker 3:
[67:11] And you look so cute. I love your dress. The outfit today is cute. The bump is bumping. I love seeing you wear fitted dresses because I like to see the little bump. It's a little flowy. Well, everybody, thank you again for listening in for another episode of Unplanned. If you haven't left us a review on Apple Podcast, please do that. It takes like literally 30 seconds to write a review. This is one that we got from Wesley97. It says number one podcast. My wife introduced me to y'all about a year ago. She's been listening since the beginning and y'all have become my favorite podcasters. Matt, as a fellow husband, dad and ADHDer. Thank you. I have often found my ADHD as a hindrance or an annoyance, but you've helped me to appreciate it. Thank you so much, Wes. I appreciate that too. I like having ADHD. I know it's like it's weird. I know my ADHD can drive my wife crazy sometimes, but I feel like it just keeps life kind of exciting. I don't know. My brain is different than other people's and I've grown to accept it. So shout out to Wes, my fellow ADHDer. Thank you to everyone that's left this review. Hopefully, we can get to a million subscribers this year so we can continue to bring on cool guests to interview and have conversations with. So again, you guys, we're so, so grateful for this baby boy. And thank you guys for following along for all the support, for all the kind words. We'll see you in the next episode. Three, two, one. Peace out, dudes.