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Speaker 1:
[00:11] Welcome to The Sit Down, a Mafia history podcast. Here's your host, Jeff Nadu.

Speaker 2:
[00:22] What's up, everybody? And welcome in to another edition of The Sit Down. As always, if you enjoy this video, please make sure you hit that like button and let me know what you think of today's discussion in the comments section below. If you're new around here, you just haven't done it yet. You're living on a rock scene this video for the first time. I don't know what you're waiting for. Hit that subscribe button below now so you never miss another Sit Down video. If you're listening to us currently on iTunes or Spotify, welcome in. Hope you enjoy the show as well. Please leave us a detailed review and a five-star rating. What's up, everybody? Welcome in to another episode of The Sit Down. I'm your host, Jeff Nadu. We've got a different but interesting type of show today. Occasionally, I get emails and they say, Jeff, on YouTube, love when you commentate, you give your reaction to a video in this world or discuss a certain topic. And I'm going to do that today because I think it's about time to relook at the hypocrisy of John Gotti Jr. Because again, as usual, he has to be center of attention at yet another Gotti case involving a grandchild. And I'll kind of start there. I then want to react to a video that I saw that was very well done by Mikey Scars and RJ. I'm going to watch it and kind of react. I want to talk about the continued hypocrisy of John Gotti Jr, who is a rat, okay, period. We're going to talk about it. We're going to talk about the continued moving of goalposts and what that description and definition is. Understand we are talking about this strictly from a street standpoint, okay? It must be said from the beginning. If you are a person who lives a normal, law-abiding life, and you call the police when you have a problem, or it's just something you feel comfortable in doing, there's nothing wrong with that. Calling the police is a normal thing that people do when they have a problem or are in trouble. That said, if you belong and become a made member of a criminal organization, talking to the police is a blatant violation of the oath you uphold. And quite frankly, if you were involved in crime in general, and you speak to the police under any circumstance, that is also a blatant violation of a criminal code that you are supposed to live by. You know, in history, a lot of people laugh and react to the fact that many years ago, I believe it was in the early 2000s, the rapper Cam'ron sat down with Anderson Cooper on 60 Minutes. And he talked about how, you know, Anderson Cooper basically says, is there ever an acceptable time to speak to the police? And at the time, Kim, who at one point was involved in the streets, said, yeah, there's an acceptable time. Say hello, how you doing? How you feel? But other than that, you don't speak to the police. OK, now again, there's a certain segment of America that subscribes to that. There's a lot of people that don't, right? If you were living in a neighborhood and you see an old lady's house being burglarized, calling the police is a perfectly normal situation. However, when you're dealing with the circles, like on here or in other crime genres on YouTube, whether it be the prison world, the gang world, speaking to the police is a blatant, blatant violation. But the interesting thing today is that we see is the moving of the goalposts of what a rat is. It was particularly interesting in the mafia world, OK? Because we all know that if you speak to the police center, any circumstance, that is a violation of a murder period. Some people say, though, because you didn't put anyone in jail, that doesn't matter. We're going to push away all that hypocrisy today. And I want to kind of start the beginning. Again, as usual, John Gotti Jr. is front and center. And this is a guy who constantly tells us that he doesn't watch any of this stuff. He doesn't care about any of this stuff. He's just living his life. Yet, whenever we see him, he's always trying to be the king gangster. They don't take pleas in a Gotti family. That normal stuff. When his daughter and wife were arrested. It's always the performative theatrics from John Gotti Jr. The holding court crap that we're talking about. Now, I want to also state that anything shown in this video falls under fair use under the Copyright Disclaimer Act of 1976. And I'm basically just commentating and reporting for research purposes. And in this case, everything shown is permitted by that copyright statute. So I want to first show you a clip yesterday. Now, this clip comes from the sentencing of a person called Carmine Agnelo Gotti. Okay. Now, we did a show on this sentencing yesterday. I'm not going to rehash who Carmine Agnelo is or what he did. He was sentenced to 50 months in prison. He is the grandson of John Gotti. Okay. His mother is Victoria. So this would be John Gotti Jr.'s nephew. Now, remember and make it clear. No one in this family spoke other than Mr. Gotti Jr. The guy again, who doesn't want to draw attention. The guy who doesn't want to, you know, but this is a guy who all the time makes it very clear. He absolutely wants attention, but he only wants attention for the right reasons. When you ask him certain questions, he has no interest in speaking. In fact, we have attempted to interview Mr. Gotti on several occasions, and he will not come on here because he knows we would ask him about his 302, which we will go over. Rules for the but not for me. That's the words of John Gotti. That's just who he is at this point. John Gotti Jr is a guy who is a hypocrite, period. We also again want to make it clear. John Gotti, great father, great dad, great guy. But when it comes to being a mobster, he was a blatant disappointment. He was a blatant failure when it comes to being a boss. And when the going got tough, Mr. Gotti spoke to the police, period. Let's look at this clip because again, it's just performative. It's always performative with this guy. Doesn't want to draw attention, but always seems to draw attention. We will also identify some of the people in this video. This comes from News 12, Long Island. Let's play this right now.

Speaker 1:
[07:40] You have to watch.

Speaker 3:
[07:41] Can you basically change his diaper?

Speaker 1:
[07:42] You gotta watch.

Speaker 3:
[07:43] We go to prison.

Speaker 4:
[07:44] Jail time for the grandson of former mob boss John Gotti, Carmine Agnello.

Speaker 2:
[07:49] Okay, so notice there's Carmine Agnello with the glasses, Jeffrey Lichtman, famed attorney, and then John Gotti Jr. front and center, as usual.

Speaker 4:
[07:58] He was guilty to fraudulently obtaining $1.1 million in disaster relief funds from the Small Business Administration during the COVID-19...

Speaker 2:
[08:06] Okay, notice the individual in the New York Yankees hat. Notice him. That is Carmine The Bull Agnello. That is Agnello's father, the former ex-husband of Vicky Gotti. Carmine The Bull, we've heard of him. We've done a show on him. According to what we know, a made guy in the Gambino family, I do find it interesting that he is being seen with John Gotti Jr. Because we all know that John Gotti Jr. is absolutely persona non grata in the Gambino family and in the street.

Speaker 4:
[08:37] 19 pandemic. After the sentencing, his uncle John...

Speaker 2:
[08:40] Notice again, no one's speaking in his family, but the guy always having to hold court every time, always.

Speaker 4:
[08:46] John Gotti spoke out about the 15 months jail time.

Speaker 3:
[08:49] His mother did a fine job raising him.

Speaker 2:
[08:52] We agree there.

Speaker 5:
[08:53] However, the circumstances surrounding are very difficult.

Speaker 3:
[08:55] Listen, you guys all know, we have 15 members of our family that went to prison. I think it's enough.

Speaker 2:
[09:02] What does that have to do with anything? I mean, he blatantly broke the law and then pled guilty to it. You know, it's always... And this is another thing. It's always the, we have to feel bad for that family because they are good people in society. Even though they just always get arrested, we always have to have sadness for them. Listen, do I think Carmen Agnell is a good dude? He seems fine to me. I mean, I've chatted with him on occasion. He seems like a nice guy. We talk about movies and stuff. He comments on my Instagram. It's not that big a thing. Seems like a nice dude. Do I think he should be in prison for this? No. However, we have to admit, he did break a federal law and then pled guilty to it. You, John Gotti Jr, went to prison because you blatantly stole, extorted, and hurt people and they put you in prison over it. We're not going to feel sorry for you. All the people in your family that went to jail belonged there or did belong there. I'm not saying they belong there now, but the people that went to jail, they belonged there. Your father belonged there. Your Uncle Peter belonged there. Your Uncle Gene belonged there. Your nephew, John Gotti, belonged there. Your Uncle Richie, your Uncle Vinny, they belonged there. 15, I don't really know where he's getting that. I won't say that he's wrong. I basically feel like we covered all the people that have been to prison, but I mean, yeah, that said, we have to also call us fate is paid. It's not like they lived in abject poverty. The kids, I mean, they had a mansion they lived in. They had a great life. I mean, all due respect as well. These are the same people that took that name. They didn't have to take that name. John Gotti Sr. said that blatantly. He said, why do they use the name Gotti? They're not Gotti's, they're Agnellos. They brought this on themselves. They did a reality show, not us. Their mother wrote a book. You wrote a book. You did films. You did television shows. They didn't do that. Those kids didn't do that. You did that. And now it feels sorry for us because we're blatantly always... And I use the word blatantly so much because it's so fucking blatant. These people always have to cry the blues whenever something happens, yet they never actually just take responsibility for who they are and what they are. And some of them are lawbreakers and criminals. Do I feel bad for the extended family? Yes, I absolutely feel bad for the sons of Vicki and Carmine. I absolutely do. And quite honestly, I feel bad for the fact that they felt the need to push that name on them. You know, you can't want all the stuff that comes from it. And then when something bad comes, it's, oh, feel bad for us all the time.

Speaker 4:
[12:00] Agnelo's lawyer claims that being John Gotti's grandson and having his life featured on a reality TV show when he was young is what twisted Agnelo's sense of right and wrong. He didn't have...

Speaker 2:
[12:11] I mean, come on. Are we fucking serious here? And now this Lichtman, this shit bag, which was what he is. I mean, this guy is a slime ball. I mean, most defense attorneys are. He's a slime ball. But this guy will try to generalize and... Remember what they just said. He was on a reality show. Okay, fair. He didn't have to be. I mean, they didn't have to do that. You know, it's funny. Notice that, like, no other families have this problem. How many families have there been high profile ones in the history of the mafia? You notice the Castellanos don't have this problem. The Gambino's. They don't have this problem. The ones that law by and live in normal life. They don't have this problem. Do the gigantes have this problem? The ones that are law abiding? No. I mean, don't use the name Gotti. I mean, there are other people in this family that don't have this issue. There's a ton of Gotti's. We don't hear about them.

Speaker 5:
[13:18] Have a normal childhood. And I think that, you know, he had a warped sense of reality. And that's, you know, what led him to the actions that got him sentenced today.

Speaker 2:
[13:28] Also, I don't really understand the point of Lichtman as the attorney here. Like, he'll like run a victory lap, and it's like, well, and then make stupid statements like that. A warped sense. Like, no, why don't you just take responsibility for what you did? Which I think the kid does. Like, I actually really do feel bad for Carmine Agnello. I do. I like he never noticed he didn't say anything. I think he might have said one sentence, but it's like, look, I don't disagree with him. Do I think that people in Minnesota that are doing fraud? I mean, do I think they should be arrested? Yeah. But like, you have all these fucking people in his family that constantly speak for him, and it's just like, let him speak. I'm sure he would tell you, he seems like a smart guy. He would say to you, you know what, I made a mistake. I did something I shouldn't have did, and I take responsibility. And I'm going to go to prison and I'm going to hopefully live my life. You know what I'm saying? It's always just performative bullshit with some of these people.

Speaker 4:
[14:24] Defense argued for home confinement. Agnello's mother is in kidney failure, and he wants to donate his kidney to her.

Speaker 2:
[14:31] Which we talked about, and I think that's great. And I wish him all the best and her all the best.

Speaker 4:
[14:36] In court, Agnello told the judge he's ashamed of his actions, but he had little to say after his 15-month jail sentence. Well, good.

Speaker 2:
[14:44] He's ashamed. And that's what he should say. Instead of this crap that, well, he was, but he didn't grow up in Bed-Stuy. He didn't grow up in Flatbush and had to sell crack vials and survive. Like, I'm sure he's completely fine with his upbringing. Do I think his family failed him in certain ways? Yeah, they gave him whatever he wanted. And he, and maybe in a way, he did have a warped sense of reality. But to blame it on like, like to have this whole, like, feel sorry for us crap with John Gotti Jr. That's lame.

Speaker 4:
[15:18] Have a good night. The judge also ordered Agnello to pay back the Small Business Administration $1.2 million.

Speaker 5:
[15:24] He's sickened by his actions, but he also is hopeful for the future as we all are for him.

Speaker 4:
[15:29] Agnello will surrender on July 20th to begin his prison sentence. In Central Islip, Suffolk County, Logan Crawford.

Speaker 2:
[15:37] So there you go. July 20th, he has to report to prison. So again, we see the performative style for John Gotti Jr. And then it's, we'll feel sorry for the Gotti's. Maybe if he didn't have to be in front of everything all the fucking time. So where's the hypocrisy with John Gotti? It's always, we're still mob guys. We don't take pleas. He made that comment back when his wife and daughter were arrested. We're going to fight, fight, fight, fight. You know, even if the church is sticking an eye backside, I'm going to deny it. It's like, well, no, you're not. This is real life, dude. You're not in the mafia anymore. In fact, as I said, you're looked at as persona non grata. And guys, again, I'm just stating the obvious. I don't say the shit that these people say. They do. They're the ones that come out and, you know, call out, oh, we're going to call this rat out. We're going to call that rat out. We're going to make, you know, with sec mafia where we're going to talk bad about informants, even though we don't admit that we're actually an informant. Let's watch this stuff with Mikey Scars because I also want to talk about the 302s and read word for word what exactly was said and why John Gotti Jr, not just admitting to what he is, is insane. But let's listen to the Mikey Scars stuff a little bit. This is from a video. It's on YouTube called Mikey Scars Breaks Silence on Junior Gotti. And you know, this is a guy who knew Mike knew John Gotti Jr extremely well. I mean, they were very good friends. They were in the same criminal circles together. This is a person who probably knows John Gotti Jr as good as anyone.

Speaker 6:
[17:18] We know John's hangout was like the Bergen or the Ravenite or whatever. But when John's off the street, the clubs are closing down. Where was Junior's hangout that you were having?

Speaker 3:
[17:29] Yeah, Richie's Club, right? There was a club on the side where Uncle Richie had it. And John used to go. It was with the Fireplace. That's where we went if they got straightened out. Christmas Eve, we went there. That was that was a new place. But that was for the younger guys.

Speaker 2:
[17:42] OK, notice what he just said there. That's important. When we got straightened out, what does he mean by that? He got made. And you know who else got made that night? John Gotti Jr. OK, so we know on record. And that's common knowledge. John Gotti Jr. was a made member of the Mafia. But let's obviously put that on record. We know that.

Speaker 3:
[18:04] Richie had a lot of younger guys with him. They call that Uncle Richie's Club. And then he had the burger, which we really didn't hang out there. That was like a Saturday thing. And that's all it was after his father was away. John loved to eat. Junior, we mostly met in restaurants. All of them traveled to restaurants up in Connecticut where Louis Braje had the guy up there, John Bell.

Speaker 2:
[18:30] Just want to kind of give some background here. That's why I'm playing this. We're going to get to obviously the good part.

Speaker 3:
[18:35] Bell laid around, beautiful restaurant. We go there. He liked Kono's. He liked Alta Donna. We went to so many different, so many different restaurants. We had a lot of good times. We went to Manhattan a lot. I introduced him to Morton's Steakhouse. We had a lot of meetings of Morton's in a private room. I was one of the first people to most of the steakhouse the day they opened. So I developed a relationship with the manager at a wine locker, a Metropolitan Stone. So we will go up there. We had a back room that we were talking if we need to. Restaurants, mostly.

Speaker 6:
[19:11] When that picture came out or whatever, when he's sitting by himself with a hoodie on and restaurant.

Speaker 3:
[19:17] Most of everybody didn't see it. Could you get it?

Speaker 2:
[19:23] I mean, come on, man. What are we doing here? This is John Gotti Jr. sitting alone in a restaurant with a Ravenite Social Club hoodie on. What are we doing here? You're not in the mob anymore, dude. Move on. That life's over. It's still holding on to it. And this is a definitively interesting picture because in a weird way, it almost shows us when it all ends, this is where this is what an informant's life is right here. You're ostracized from all you knew. And let's just be honest, that's where we are. I'd ask him this, John, and ask any of his family members if they want to answer for him. Why don't anyone that he used to hang around with hang around him? Why doesn't Stevie Kaplan? Why doesn't Anthony Amoroso? Why doesn't, you know, Frankie Radice? Why don't any of them hang out with him? Why isn't he ever in pictures with him? Why is he not accepted in that circle anymore? Explain why is he sitting alone in a diner or whatever this is? And this could just be that he was waiting for somebody. I don't know. But again, it's a fairly defining photo, right? Because anytime we've seen John Gotti Jr in that life, it was he was with everybody. He was with his friends, his father, his extended family members. Do you notice he is never with his extended family members, everyone still in that world until yesterday with Agnello. We give it the benefit of the doubt that again, he was just there for his son. That said, do you ever think you'll see him a Gene Gotti? I'll answer that. No. Now again, this is not my music, this is on the video itself. And I urge anyone that is watching, that is not subscribed, go check out Mikey Scars and RJ on Patreon. Very good content, really interesting content in terms of the Gambino crime family. Go become a member. I think it's only like 9.99 a month. Very good stuff.

Speaker 6:
[21:37] When you see that, and I'm a kind of guy, I'm more of a body language guy than I am of, like body language, looking at somebody just, when you see that picture, knowing he's a restaurant guy, hang out and all this stuff, we just see him sitting by himself. Life's done, it's over, he's just sitting there, like just in deep.

Speaker 3:
[21:58] No, no, hold on, let me stop it right there. That life is over. That life, that kind of camaraderie for him is over. That's why John's got to get off the fence. He's on the fence.

Speaker 2:
[22:15] He is.

Speaker 6:
[22:16] He is.

Speaker 2:
[22:19] Couldn't have said it better. That is really well said. He's on the fence. What does that mean? Well, he's on the fence. He doesn't want to admit who he really is. He wants everyone to still, and Michael Franzese is very similar to this too. He wants everyone to know him as a big mob guy, big tough mob guy, but he doesn't want to tell you what he did after the fact, and that's why, again, if we relate this back to like a Joey Molino, Joey Molino is everything that these guys wish they could be, but he is the one guy that could stand on business to say, I never flipped. I never flipped. I did my time, and I'm still respected. I can still go anywhere, and that's why, like, when they say that, it's a fairly defining thing to say. Is Joey out of the life? I don't know. I'm not answering that question, but he can do all this stuff that all these guys do, and he can hold his head high, and that, for them, is very hurtful, because none of them can say that, and there are very few. Some of these guys, two in particular, John Gotti Jr. and Michael Franzese, do not ever want to speak about the fact that they are both cooperators. They put their hand up, or they spoke to the police, and they want everyone to know who they are and what they are, and they still want the general public to believe that they are the mafia. John Gotti Jr., that's why he does these performative things. He has the name Gotti. He says stuff like, we don't take pleas. And again, fence-sitting. This is 100% right. You are not allowed to say shit like that no more. You're not in that world. That part of your life, as Mikey Scars said, is over.

Speaker 3:
[24:03] He's got to, one side really don't want him, but it's like being in love with a girl that don't want you. It's not going to happen. He's got to get off the fence. That's a whole other story.

Speaker 6:
[24:14] I agree. I'm glad you said that because maybe one day someone will send this clip to him and he'll be helpful to him because, but I understand why he's on the fence. Because you know what, Michael, the fence, you can tell his dad is like a hero to him. He had his dad's portrait next to Mandela's portrait or something like that or the hang whatever. On this other fence that you have to let go of, that other side, his dad's over there. The great last Don in his mind.

Speaker 2:
[24:41] Right. But I actually agree with that in terms of if we're talking about the street, we can understand why he followed his father into that world. But we also have to come to the realization that he was not anything like his father. He absolutely did very little to ever get any get back for anything that had happened to that family. In terms of his father himself, they did nothing about Sammy The Bull. I guess they did something. They tried, but never did anything. That check ultimately never was cashed and it never will be. Bobby Borrello was murdered in cold blood and John Jr did nothing about it. In fact, the Genevieve's Crime Family said we'll do something about it and they never did fuck all about it. Now again, throw in, spoke to the police. That is a... I mean, his father, let's just call it spade to spade, would have killed him over that. And so would a lot of other people in that family in terms of the Gambino family. There's rules and you can't have rules at some points, but then rules that you don't follow on the other side. So I do understand RJ's point here. We all want to live up to, and again, I want to keep this just about that world. We all want to live up, they all want to live up to their fathers. But it's pretty rare that you don't really see it much. If you could find one kid in that life that lived up to what their father was, it's pretty rare. You know, maybe I think you could maybe say like Bruno and Delicato, like outshined who his father was. But I mean, there really weren't many. Some were just too big. I mean, like Tommy Gambino was a power, you know, in terms of money and that sort of thing, but definitely didn't have the esteem his father did. That'd be a great video. Maybe I'll do it at some point. You know, who outshined their father in that life? We could definitely say that Junior Gotti did not, whatsoever.

Speaker 6:
[26:50] My father, my hero. So it's like this split screen. Me? I'm daddy. You're this new life, the other side, and to go to this other side, you have to let go of everything that you love. And it's hard. It's a tough thing.

Speaker 2:
[27:26] Obviously, very, very nice content, you know. As someone who, look, I saw my father die in front of me, okay? I don't think I've really ever talked about this, but, you know, in the final days of my father's life, he looked nothing like the man that I knew. I had to watch my father, who was six foot, two ten, I mean, work his whole life. I mean, he was, my dad was a brick house, you know. He was a very tough guy, very. I mean, just a brick house. And I had to watch him basically down to nothing. He couldn't do anything. And I can understand, you know, and look, I'm always going to call a spade a spade, you know. I look at this video and to me, it's more sad to me than anything, because you do see a son who, like, I do feel bad. In a way, I feel similar to John Junior, like I do for Carmine Agnello with his family. John Gotti Jr, in a way, knows in his head that no matter how bad he tries, he can't live up to his father was. And he sees him for the final time. And he says, wow, you know, I'm just a son now, right? But I still have to be that I was. It's all really hard. And I get where he's coming from here. Cause I've, not in this situation, but I've watched my father wither away. And you look at even in this state, right? John Gotti Jr never wavered away from like that guy that he was. You know, it was never. And that's, I think another way you could tell who a true gangster is, someone who is that every single second. They never smile. They really rarely ever show any sort of kind, preferably what we would call weak emotion, where you can be called soft. You never see that with this guy. He is a G 24 7. Now, I would have liked to have heard the music remove for this, because it does make it a little hard. I wish we had some translation, but great content nonetheless. Let's get through this. A little troubling to hear, can't really hear it too well.

Speaker 6:
[30:06] But when I've seen that picture of him just sitting there, eating by himself, no one around, somebody must have came in and snapped the picture, he didn't even know it was taken. When you see that, does that bring a sadness to you? What goes through your head? What's he thinking about when he's sitting there?

Speaker 3:
[30:23] 100%. He's reflecting. I don't know what he was thinking, but I'll tell you what I would be thinking, because I was in that position, right? You know I have a lot of friends, right? But sometimes when you're alone, your thoughts of what was not is when you eat alone. John does not like to eat alone, 1000%. John said he would go to Oheka Castle or go in his backyard by himself, get a drink, smoke a cigar. Do you really think he wants to be alone? He's reflecting on that moment. Remember in the scene the godfather just kept him in there, right? When he's sitting in the chair by himself, everybody's dead, everybody's gone. That's the reflection. He's thinking about that. That's what, when I seen that picture, it reminded me of that. It's all over. It's all over. You're alone, but you're choosing to be alone at this point for him, Junior. He can.

Speaker 2:
[31:37] Well, that's a great point too. He's choosing to be alone. And that's a good point, you know, in terms of, in a way, like his, that old family won't talk to him, but you even have in this situation, Mikey Scars was a friend to him. They were friends to each other. They're on the same level now. They're the same. They're the same. And I know, Junior, no one here this. They both did the same thing. You can, you can't be half pregnant, okay? You could make, you know, these sweeping. We didn't do that. You can say all you want. But he is choosing. He doesn't want to be around. He won't sit with anybody. He wouldn't sit with Mikey Scars. Why is that? Because he views himself as up here and Mikey Scars up here. And that's not true. They're right here. Notice they're both on the same level. That's a great point. This is a really good video because this goes into the head of someone who was in that world and has a great and elegant way of describing it. Do I agree that it was like the godfather? Yeah, in a way. I also relate it to like the Irishman, you know, towards the end of the film where Frank Sheeran has to get to the realization that, and again, he didn't cooperate, but he has to get to the realization, in a way he did because he told his story and it went out there, but he has to come to the realization that life is over, everybody's gone, and that's the same real thought that we all have to deal with at some point. Then that's the sad part of our lives that we all have to deal with at some point. But I think in terms of some of the reasons, John Jr, it's again the fence sitting, it's still pretending you're in that world, and it's like we're still wearing Gotti stuff and Ravenite social club crap, like I don't know, it's like super cringy, if we're being honest.

Speaker 3:
[33:33] Move on, but he has to leave luggage behind before you move on, because that girl don't love you no more, it's never coming back. He's ruminating about a lot in the past, John, you can't unring the bell, that's it.

Speaker 2:
[33:49] The bell is told. Absolutely. Really, really well said.

Speaker 3:
[33:54] Move on.

Speaker 6:
[33:57] The thing about it, this for me as an outsider, because there's very few people, he's the person that had carried the same thing that you carry before I met you.

Speaker 2:
[34:06] You know, guys, I also will say, like I watched this when it first came out, I kind of forgot about a lot of it. I'm sorry that I'm kind of like transcribing what they're going to say. I just kind of feel the same way and it all kind of makes sense. It feels like we all kind of watch this and think the same things.

Speaker 6:
[34:22] I thought you guys were like really different, like brilliant minds, like really deep thinkers, like you can do so much. A guy like him with that name and that status, do you know what he could do as far as like in the world? And like he could go speak all over the world. He's the last Don's son carries the same name. This guy has reach. He could do huge, huge, huge, huge things as far as this. Look at Franzese. Michael, whatever Franzese is, the Gotti name is bigger. You could argue which one is smarter, but Junior could be 10 Franzeses.

Speaker 2:
[35:04] That's where I'm going to end this. That's another great point. As someone who knows content well, this is something I will comment on. This is another good point. It's, I'm only going to do a few interviews. Why not just jump in fully? Because RJ is 1000 percent right. That YouTube channel, John Gotti Jr, would be huge. Think of the motivational speaking he could do. Think of everything. Think of just coming to grips with who he is. It's still though, I want to play gangster. I want to play tough guy. I want to not take pleas. I want to tell my kids we don't take. It's that performative crap. It's the holding court crap. Just admit who you are and move on and now make money off of it. All the people that go, here's enough money. Nobody ever has enough money. I hate to tell you. If we know or anything, does he have a lot of money? Because if I remember correctly, during that 60 minutes, he told Steve Croft that he was heavily in debt. I want to do a channel. I want to get some good people behind you. That burner idea, I feel like was a good idea and then it just disappeared. Get a host. I'm not saying me. They wouldn't work with me. I would crush it for being honest. But think of the discussions he could have with anybody, the right host. It's just, I don't get it. I agree, though, with RJ. I think he would be a million subscriber channel. I think he could make a ton of money doing speaking tours and engagements if he would just let go. Think about the money he could make. Think about this for a second. Think about the money he could make if, let's just say he even just did a Bet David, you know, summit, if you will, him, Mikey Scars. I mean, that would move mountains. But he don't want to. Now why do they say that John Gotti Jr is no good? Well, let's go to the tail of the tape. This is a 302 of John Gotti. Now, I just want to highlight certain parts of it, because the certain people will say, well, yeah, he did speak to the government, but he didn't put anyone in jail, so he's not a rat. Again, that doesn't matter. As we've said, he was a made member, and that was confirmed. We know that he's a made member. He was made in 1990, I believe it was, Christmas Eve 1990, or 89 or 88, whatever it was, late 80s. I'm sorry, it wasn't 1999, because his father was arrested in 90. Well, it was at 88, I think. So he's been a made member close to 40 years. He knows the rules. He knows what you can and can't do. He was the son of John Gotti Sr. He knows the rules. We know that on the date of transcription, which was January 16th, 2006, John Gotti Jr. was present at the US. Attorney's Office in New York City for a proffer session. This meeting was arranged at Gotti Jr.'s request. Also present, Jeffrey Lichtman, who we just saw in that video. He goes back very long with Mr. Gotti. Now, Gotti Jr. and his attorneys read the proffer agreement and the terms of the agreement were explained to them by AUSA, who signed the agreement. Now, again, we've talked about the first thing, the murder of Danny Silva. In the early morning hours of March 11th to 12th, 1983, Gotti, along with his friends, Mark Caputo and Anthony Amoroso, were present at the Silver Fox Bar on 101st and Liberty Avenue in Ozone Park, Queens. At some point, Tommy, last name unknown, aka Elfie, approached Gotti Jr, who was seated at the bar with a female friend called Donna, last name unknown. Notice, according to Gotti. So again, these are words that came from Gotti directly in the proffer section. Elfie repeatedly bumped into him. Words were exchanged, one thing led to another, and Gotti Jr ultimately hit Elfie with a broken glass bottle. Gotti Jr then stabbed Elfie with a knife that Gotti Jr had obtained from Amoroso. So notice, Gotti stated all these different things, that he basically cut this guy and he got the knife from his friend, which he named. What exactly is that? I'm not sure I understand. Maybe people in the street can tell me what that is. Let's continue. Now according to Gotti Jr, again, this comes directly from his mouth. A melee ensued involving 30 or 40 of the bar's patrons. Gotti then names the people involved in the melee, including Danny Silva, John and Greg Massa, Angela Castelli, Joey Curcio, First Name Unknown Riley, and John Sonamo. Gotti Jr. stated that Danny Silva was stabbed and killed during the melee. So not only does John Gotti Jr. name the people involved in the melee, but he states that one person, Danny Silva, was actually killed during it. What the hell is this? What is this? If you're telling me what this is, explain what the definition of this is. Because maybe I don't know. Maybe I'm a little fucked up. I don't know. Let's go to the second page. No, actually, let's go back to the first page because I want to read the bottom there. Gotti then described a meeting which occurred a short time after the incident at the Silver Fox between Angela Ruggiero and a New York City police detective, John Daly. Gotti Jr. drove Ruggiero to the meeting which took place at Sherwood Diner located near five towns on the Queen-Nassau County-Long Island border. Before the meeting, Gotti Jr. and Ruggiero discussed the purpose of the meeting. According to Gotti Jr., Ruggiero was carrying a paper bag. Again, notice what he's about to say. He's about to tell you that John Gotti Jr. is about to tell you that Andrew Ruggiero is delivering bribe cash to a cop to work it out for him. Now, the bag contained 25K in cash. Gotti Jr. observed Ruggiero sit in the rear of the diner and meet with Daly, an unknown white male. Ruggiero advised Gotti Jr. that the 25K cash was made to Daly to get his name, John Gotti Jr.'s name, out of the Silver Fox murder. While Gotti Jr. did not directly meet Daly, Gotti did acknowledge Gotti Jr. on his way out of the diner as Gotti Jr. sat waiting in the car. Following this meeting, Ruggiero and Daly, Gotti Jr. was instructed by his father, John Gotti Sr., to leave New York for a while until things quote, cooled down. Gotti Jr. left New York and went to Fort Lauderdale, Florida where he remained for some time. At some time, Gotti Jr. joined him, Gotti Sr. joined him in Florida and the two eventually returned to New York. Upon Gotti's return to New York, he learned that John Sonamo, one of Danny Silver's friends who was present at the Silver Fox that night, Silver was stabbed, was dead, apparently having taken himself out. Now, Gotti Jr. then provided the following about other people. Andrew Rogerio was put on the shelf by Gotti Sr. after the murder of Jimmy Heidel. He then states that Heidel was tortured and killed by members of the Lucchese family because he, Heidel and others had shot and tried to kill Anthony Gaspard Casso. The Lucchese family learned that Ruggero was behind the attempt to kill Casso and demanded Ruggero himself be killed. Gotti Sr. who was close to Ruggero did not have Ruggero killed. Instead, Ruggero was put on the shelf, which we know. Prior to Heidel's murder, members of the Lucchese crime family summoned family members, Jimmy Brown Failia and Joe Butch Correo to the location where Heidel was being held. According to Gotti Jr. again, according to him, Faialla and Correo were summoned to that location so that they would be present when Heidel admitted his involvement in the attempted murder of Casso. Prior to the Lucchese family killing Heidel, Correo and Failia obtained Gambino family member, Danny Marino's approval to kill Heidel because according to Gotti Jr, Heidel was Marino's nephew. So what do we just hear there? John Gotti Jr. laying out fact by fact that Joe Butch Correo and Jimmy Failia went to Danny Marino who was still alive at that time. John Gotti Jr. put his name into it. Guys, again, like the fact that this meeting was agreed upon is no good. Saying anything is no good. Like, why are we still having this discussion? Let's go over just a little bit more here. I'm not going to read the whole thing. Even though Ruggero had been put on the shelf, Gotti Jr. continued according to him to meet with him in violation of Mafia protocol, which we do know that. Now, Gotti Jr. learned from Ruggero that in the weeks and months after Silva was killed at the Silver Fox, Sonamo put continued pressure on the police department to investigate the murder. Ruggero told Gotti Jr. that Sonamo pressed John Gotti Jr.'s name in this investigation and his role in the bar fight which led to Silva's murder. Ruggero told Gotti Jr. that he, Ruggero and others had obtained New York DD. Fives, the police department records of the murder. Ruggero then advised Gotti that Sonamo's death, which appeared to be a suicide, was in fact a murder and that he, Joe Watts and Willie Boy Johnson, had killed Sonamo on Gotti Sr.'s order. Ruggero told Gotti Jr. that John Daly provided background information regarding Sonamo, which the Gambino crime family used to locate him. Now again, what exactly is this? Because this is all information that nobody knew. Joe Watts is still alive. And John Gotti Jr. is sitting in a fucking proper session, telling the feds all of this shit. What exactly are we doing here? When will this madness stop? Do we have to continue? We'll continue a little bit more here. Now several years later, after Gotti Jr. was arrested on unrelated charges, an additional cash payment was made to Daily when Gotti Jr.'s name resurfaced again. Gotti Jr. then stated, yet again to the proper, that his father was arrested and remanded to prison. Gotti Jr. then frequently met with Joe Watts, who was a close confidant of Gotti Sr. At one meeting with Watts at the Loom Chin Chinese restaurant, Watts admitted his involvement in the murder of Sonamo. Watts also told Gotti Jr. that the first piece of work he was involved in was the murder of Vito Brehle. Why is Gotti Jr. telling the feds this stuff? I mean, as the lawyers say, I rest my case. Do I need to say anything more? That sentence right there, if that was the only sentence he ever uttered, it wouldn't change the fact. It doesn't matter if he says one sentence or 50,000 sentences. It doesn't matter if he has one or two pages of proffer, five pages, 10 pages, 50 pages, 6,000 pages. None of it matters. You were in a life of crime. In fact, a made member of the mafia. And you speak to the police under any circumstances. It's not my rules. Those are the rules that have went back 150 years. And society has clouded our judgment into making you believe there's nothing wrong with that. The goalposts have been moved further and further and further and further. But I have two questions. Number one, what would John Gotti Sr. think of what I just read? Let's say that on January 17th, 2006, John Gotti Sr. was alive. He died in 2002. But what do you think he would say? I'll give you the answer. It wouldn't be good. And I'll ask you a question too. If the mob was still doing that, would this be a killable offense? I'll just answer that for you. Yes. I mean, if the mob even assumed you were cooperating, they killed you. Look at Bruno Facciolo, the Casey crime family heavyweight. Anthony Castle would just get rid of you if he thought you were cooperating. They did it without paperwork back then. Now you want to say that you can not only talk to the police, but give names as long as no one goes to jail. Number one, that's ridiculous because do you know how many investigations started? Do you know how many things were started because of this kind of shit? It's complete nonsense. No, cooperating is not just if you get on the stand and point people out. No, it doesn't work like that. There's 302s. There's a paperwork from Angelo Prisco. Ask most old mob guys if that's cooperating. I'll let you know what they tell you. I'll just tell you. They would say it was. Now, in the end, do I care? No. Would I trust these people? No. Do I think as an outsider looking in and understanding whether someone is no good or not, would I say this is all no good? It's no good, period. It's not an ax I have to grind. It's not because I don't like the Gotti's. It's not because I don't like John Gotti Jr. I don't like or dislike him. But as I've done time and time again, in the five plus years I've been on here, I'm going to call it hypocrisy for what it is. And this is all always been hypocrisy. That video from Mikey Scars DiLeonardo is very well done. And it's extremely and utterly true. You got to stop bench-sitting. And to the people that don't think this is anything big, this is just the cost of doing business. This was a legal maneuver. You should get your hat out of the sand and wise up. That's all I have to say.

Speaker 5:
[50:40] Enough is enough, right?

Speaker 2:
[50:42] And we again see this time and time again because of the constant holding court and explaining how we're Gottis, we don't take pleas, and we're going to wear Ravenite Social Club hats and jackets and all that sort of thing. It's nonsense. It's total nonsense. Hope you all enjoyed this video. Let me know what you think in the comment section below. We'll see you next week. Here on The Sitdown.