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Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
[00:03] It looks new.
Speaker 1:
[00:05] Open it, open it.
Speaker 3:
[00:11] These clothes look fresh.
Speaker 4:
[00:15] Look, footprints by the tree.
Speaker 5:
[00:20] Leo, do you know what this means?
Speaker 6:
[00:25] Someone else is on the island.
Speaker 1:
[00:29] This is for people who have already listened to all of Hidden Island, including Season 2. For those episodes, there will be spoilers. Hi, I'm Jess Fisher, Director of Audience Engagement and host of GZM Rewind. I'm here with series creators and co-hosts of GZM Rewind, Chris Terry and David Kreisman. Chris is GZM's Chief Production Officer, and Dave is GZM's Chief Creative Officer. We host a weekly recap show called GZM Rewind, where we recap new GZM Shows episodes weekly. So if you enjoy this, head on over to that feed to listen to us yap and gab and talk behind the scenes.
Speaker 4:
[01:07] Maybe there's people out here who don't know what GZM Rewind is, and now all of a sudden you just nailed it, exactly what we did.
Speaker 1:
[01:13] I was like, yeah.
Speaker 2:
[01:14] I think so.
Speaker 4:
[01:15] Quick five, everybody.
Speaker 2:
[01:16] That's about it.
Speaker 1:
[01:17] So, Dave, Chris, how do you feel now that Hidden Island Season 2 has concluded? Do you feel very proud of this project?
Speaker 2:
[01:24] I think it was great. As someone who was working on Season 3 today, yes, I will say I'm in that world very heavily.
Speaker 1:
[01:32] Wait, so that just wasn't the ending? They're not just like, we're going back to the island?
Speaker 2:
[01:36] We're going back and then the end.
Speaker 1:
[01:37] Yeah, so there's a Season 3.
Speaker 2:
[01:38] Hold hands. There will be a Season 3.
Speaker 4:
[01:41] Dave, I don't know if you feel this way, but a lot of times, like, because, you know, fans of GZM Rewind know that Jess listens as things happen, right? But a lot of times, Dave and I are sort of well past a show by the time the final episode has launched, right? So a lot of times I'm like, okay, how did I feel about it six months ago? Like, Dave and I, like, we're on to multiple other shows and thinking about stuff. And so I'm always up on when it drops. Right, exactly. Right.
Speaker 1:
[02:09] Yeah. Although with this one specifically, I had the privilege of writing some of the play. I wrote, like, the skeleton of the play, which meant that I actually read the scripts up to episodes six and seven to write some of the play. And I intentionally didn't read past that because I really enjoy being spoiler free. So I listened to episode 10 today, and I was up before that.
Speaker 4:
[02:32] The play was one of my favorite bits. Like, so great.
Speaker 1:
[02:35] The play was really, really smart.
Speaker 4:
[02:37] It really works.
Speaker 1:
[02:38] That leads me to a question that I'm jumping to there then. When did you come up with the idea for a play within the play? You've never done that with GZM.
Speaker 2:
[02:45] Yeah, that was pretty early on. So sort of mapping out the season, I had this thought of they're going to have to distract Ned at some point, and wouldn't it be so fun if they put on a play?
Speaker 1:
[02:56] Did Phoebe come first or the play?
Speaker 2:
[02:59] I think the play came first, and then the idea of making Phoebe a playwright was part of that.
Speaker 1:
[03:03] Yeah, I love Phoebe, obviously.
Speaker 2:
[03:06] It's a little bit stolen from a Gilligan's Island episode, where they put, except in that one, they don't try to distract a director, a famous Broadway producer winds up on Gilligan's Island.
Speaker 4:
[03:18] And so they do, right?
Speaker 2:
[03:19] Yeah, and they decide to put on a show for him, thinking that he's gonna rescue them if their show is really great.
Speaker 1:
[03:26] I mean, it's also borrowed from the Scottish play, and from Midsummer. Yes, of course, yes, yes, yes, that too. It's borrowed, it's borrowed.
Speaker 4:
[03:35] It was fun trying to pull it off in audio, so you really understood when the play was happening, and where it was coming from.
Speaker 1:
[03:40] Oh, I thought it was very clear, when it went back and forth, and back and forth, and what not.
Speaker 2:
[03:44] There were a lot of questions about why are they putting on a play if there's no one in the audience?
Speaker 4:
[03:50] Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:
[03:50] But there's a great line. There's a really beautiful line that's like, we're just doing the art to do the art.
Speaker 2:
[03:55] Exactly.
Speaker 1:
[03:57] I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2:
[03:58] Ars gratia artis.
Speaker 4:
[03:59] Hey, listen, hey, listen, I was a jazz musician for 30 years, you know. Don't talk to me about doing the art for the art's sake when nobody shows up.
Speaker 1:
[04:08] So the show already started really in a really exciting way. At the end of episode one, they find out that there are more people on the island. And at the end of episode two, you start to figure out who they are. You know, Solomon rescues Emilia from the water. And then episode three, we meet the Devers. So developing another family must have been very interesting. How are they similar? How are they different? And also the twist at the end with Solomon and Rose knowing all along that they were going to trick everyone, including their own children. What was it like to navigate all that?
Speaker 2:
[04:40] Well, you know, the show has two major challenges. The first one is that it all takes place on this one island and you can't leave. And then the second one, especially for season one anyway, was that you only have five characters. So going into season two, there was, for me, I was really thinking, I think we need to introduce more characters just because there's only so much that these five people can do.
Speaker 1:
[05:02] And you need to have romance.
Speaker 2:
[05:05] You need to have a little romance and friends and, you know, different dynamics and then trying to make a family who's different. You know, Solomon is a lot more stoic than Colin, obviously, and he's a different kind of a dad. And trying to come up with these other characters was fun, and how they would play off of who we have.
Speaker 4:
[05:23] And there's been a long, you know, knowing Dave as I do that his favorite TV show of all time is Lost.
Speaker 2:
[05:29] Yes.
Speaker 4:
[05:29] That, you know, they did that very well, too. Like, beginning of different seasons, there'd be new people that show up on the island or have been there the whole time or like, you know, all that kind of stuff, you know, the what's his name, who was in the underground thing riding the bike. What was his?
Speaker 2:
[05:41] Desmond.
Speaker 4:
[05:41] Desmond, you know, all that kind of stuff, right?
Speaker 1:
[05:45] Play clip episode three, Meet The Devers. I really enjoyed this intro.
Speaker 4:
[05:48] All right.
Speaker 3:
[05:49] We stood there frozen, staring at the first people we'd seen in half a year.
Speaker 1:
[05:57] Is someone going to say something?
Speaker 5:
[06:02] Hello, I'm Isabel Robinson. This is my husband, Colin, and our kids, Jake, Emilia, and Leo.
Speaker 1:
[06:12] And Moo.
Speaker 3:
[06:14] Hello.
Speaker 1:
[06:16] Did you lock us in that plane? What? No, I would never.
Speaker 3:
[06:20] I'm sorry. Who are you?
Speaker 1:
[06:23] My name is Solomon Devers.
Speaker 5:
[06:25] This is my wife, Rose.
Speaker 7:
[06:26] Hey, these two adventurers are our kids, Phoebe and Tanner.
Speaker 1:
[06:31] Good morrow.
Speaker 7:
[06:33] Good morrow?
Speaker 1:
[06:35] Okay, wait, now I'm, wait, okay. Solomon and Rose knew that they'd be there, right?
Speaker 2:
[06:39] Yes. They came in knowing that they would interact with the Robinsons. Wow.
Speaker 1:
[06:45] That's fun.
Speaker 2:
[06:46] And it's kind of the reason that they brought their kids too, to sort of put the Robinsons at ease.
Speaker 1:
[06:52] Yeah. So on that, there's like layers of villainy, right? So we have kind of Ned, his tantrum in episode four with the monkeys and the dinner. Honestly, sincerely, I was like, that is so scary.
Speaker 2:
[07:04] Yeah. It's very jealous.
Speaker 1:
[07:06] So we got Ned, right? And then we've got Solomon and Rose, kind of, like definitely for a moment. And then we've got Coral and then we've got Marie. And Coral and Marie sort of duke it out for villain of the year. I found it really cool that especially Solomon and Rose and Ned also, there are villains that also have such complex reasoning for why they're doing what they're doing and kind of heartbreaking reasoning too. What was it like to write so many villains and have so many twists? I did not see that betrayal come. And I also didn't see Coral's betrayal of Marie coming. Y'all write some really interesting villains. Where does that start from? Is there a rule that villains should be complex or not just evil?
Speaker 2:
[07:48] I don't know if it's a rule, but it's certainly something we talk about a lot. One of the things I like to do is introduce a villain and then have the bigger, badder villain get rid of the original villain so that you realize how scary. So Marie seems pretty scary until coral wipes are off the map.
Speaker 1:
[08:03] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[08:03] And now we know just how dangerous coral is.
Speaker 1:
[08:07] Yeah, I do like that moment. You can feel like coral fights back. I really like that moment. It's really scary.
Speaker 4:
[08:11] Also, Dave, I think you do such a great job of writing them and making them, but we always call it mustache twirly. You know what I mean? It's just like you don't want to make them cardboard cutout villains, just to your point, Jess.
Speaker 1:
[08:22] Yes, but Marie might be my new favorite villain. I really like her.
Speaker 2:
[08:30] She's fun.
Speaker 4:
[08:31] Are you saying Jude from Six Minutes is being usurped? Is that the word?
Speaker 1:
[08:35] Very, very possible. Maybe it's evil person with accent. That's my thing.
Speaker 2:
[08:40] That is your thing.
Speaker 4:
[08:41] You like all your evil people to have an accent.
Speaker 1:
[08:44] Yeah. You see her, especially even through Season 1, as the potential savior and then her twist in Season 2 was very exciting as well. But the play was really exciting because of the different moments that were going on, so many different moments going on at the same time and how to trick Ned. Can you play Ned Loses Control? It's one of my favorite moments.
Speaker 4:
[09:04] What the man said was right about me. I'm just a-
Speaker 6:
[09:10] Ned?
Speaker 3:
[09:12] Something has changed.
Speaker 7:
[09:18] Keep going, Ned.
Speaker 3:
[09:20] Stay with the story.
Speaker 6:
[09:21] Emilia, what's happening? Where did our parents go?
Speaker 4:
[09:25] Jake, what are they doing to me?
Speaker 7:
[09:28] It's okay Ned.
Speaker 1:
[09:29] Everything is going to be okay.
Speaker 5:
[09:31] No, it's not. It's not going to be okay. What do you mean?
Speaker 7:
[09:36] Coral.
Speaker 4:
[09:37] They're bringing coral back.
Speaker 6:
[09:39] Coral? I cannot connect.
Speaker 5:
[09:43] No.
Speaker 7:
[09:43] Ned.
Speaker 5:
[09:44] No.
Speaker 1:
[09:44] Look at me. I actually asked this in a recent Six Minutes Rewind episode. Because this moment was so, this person goes here, this person goes there, was there any storyboarding or visualization that had to go on to figure out the sequencing of this part?
Speaker 2:
[09:58] We don't do storyboarding, but there's definitely in the script, where is our POV? And that's something, so that the sound designers and Chris and his team get in there, they have a sense generally in those places where we're cutting to them, how we're hearing people from off stage and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4:
[10:18] A lot of times too, it's up to the person putting it together to sort of make a choice in that regard as well, you know what I mean? Like depending on who we're with when, a lot of times. If it's not listed in the script, right? You want to get this idea of like, okay, well, it's not really said who we're with, but we need to make a decision about who we're with, right? And sometimes that's right, sometimes it's wrong, depending on if we change it or whatever. But I think, you know, one of our golden rules that Dave and I have come up with over the years is the question of who we're with, right? Dave is sort of like where we are, where the camera is, you know, always having an idea of like, where the camera is and who's it on.
Speaker 2:
[10:53] What I did do for this one was because as you said, with the comings and goings, had to keep track of who was down, you know, in the motorcycle or who was down in the computer. So we had to figure that part out and decide the scenes of the play based on that. You know, for this part, we have to have Colin on stage. For this part, Colin needs to be off stage, those kinds of things. So that part had to be worked out pretty specifically even before the script was written. And before I went to you with that, because I think I had a list of a few different scenes that had to happen with certain characters.
Speaker 1:
[11:26] Right.
Speaker 7:
[11:27] Right. Right.
Speaker 4:
[11:28] How did you find writing the play, Jess?
Speaker 1:
[11:30] Oh, it was fun. Actually, what was really interesting was writing a first draft and then being given notes and going back. I think that's kind of my favorite part, the collaboration part of it all. And one of my favorite notes was that Phoebe is a great playwright. She's young, but also like, because I think my first draft was like intentionally kind of bad. But it was like, no, no, no, Phoebe actually is a good playwright and has something interesting to say. And I think that really comes out in the Ned, Jake scenes that they're really beautiful. Every version of them. Just, yeah, it highlights their relationships. So that actually leads me to something else that I always find every time we do one of these rewinds that my question comes up, is this like our scariest show yet? Because in some ways, I found it really scary. The natural disaster moments were really very scary. But also not just scary, there was emotional complication and very big questions about resources and the government and the world. But this is a show that's a quote unquote family show. And GZM prides itself on not talking down to its audience and trusting that the audience is on the level to totally get it, to understand it. As the story gets bigger and bigger, the first story is family on an island wants to get off. Second story is, oops, there's another family. And the third story is, third story is, we literally have to save the world. Was it always part of the plan to make the story bigger and bigger like that? Or was it something to just trust the audience to hang on tight?
Speaker 2:
[12:59] Yes. And there was also, there was a lot of discussion about how long we can keep it small even. And I think we kept it small longer than we originally thought. I mean, there was a lot of talk about how much can we, how much can we get away with even before the mystery part of this shows up, you know, that, you know, this island is more than just an island. How long can we sit in the, what does it take to build a fire? You know, the, the castaway of it all. To build shelter, to build a fire, to navigate your way through, through an island and just the weirdness of animals and those kinds of things before we have to bring Ned into the story. So there is a lot of talk about that. But the goal was always, you know, we have the backstory of what the island is and how it was built and all those things. And so that was always going to be part of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[13:44] So there's always going to be bigger implications about we got to save the world.
Speaker 2:
[13:48] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[13:48] That makes sense. I do want to call out quickly because I keep talking about story because I'm talking in the larger scale of the whole show. The sound design is just wonderful and I want you to play Eco Horror.
Speaker 4:
[14:00] Eco Horror.
Speaker 6:
[14:03] You have one minute, 47 seconds to evacuate everyone to safety.
Speaker 3:
[14:13] Dad, what's happening?
Speaker 6:
[14:17] The ocean.
Speaker 3:
[14:18] Look at the water.
Speaker 1:
[14:19] It's pulling back.
Speaker 7:
[14:21] That's what happens before a tsunami.
Speaker 6:
[14:23] Look at the size of that wave.
Speaker 3:
[14:26] Coral's coming for them.
Speaker 7:
[14:28] Dozens of boats.
Speaker 3:
[14:30] The whole fleet.
Speaker 1:
[14:43] It's so scary.
Speaker 7:
[14:44] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[14:46] It's sort of an eco-horror that I mean, I actually found when Coral takes over from Marie, for me, it was a metaphor about the environment. I don't know. About like the rage of mother nature, and then that coming right after, that was so scary. But the sound design always just keeps getting better and better.
Speaker 4:
[15:03] Well, big shout out to Jonathan Roberts on this season, because him and I split last season between episodes, and he pretty much just ran with a lot of this, this season, and with me just sort of chiming in here and there. So he's one of the best in the biz of what we do, and it's been really great having him as part of the team.
Speaker 1:
[15:24] That's awesome.
Speaker 4:
[15:24] Yeah. And so hopefully, he gets to do more shows in the future.
Speaker 1:
[15:27] And you and Jennifer did a lot of the score. You did the scoring together, right?
Speaker 4:
[15:31] Yes. So Jenny did a bunch of cues, and I did a bunch of cues.
Speaker 1:
[15:35] Jennifer Roekamp?
Speaker 4:
[15:36] Yeah, Jennifer Roekamp, yep. Who's always fantastic and has worked on a number of our shows, and she's just like always great. Really, really great.
Speaker 1:
[15:43] There's a really nice score when the ship is going away, if you want to play. Sure, sure.
Speaker 4:
[15:48] Jakey?
Speaker 1:
[15:49] Yeah. Let's go home. We're really going home.
Speaker 5:
[15:58] We're really going home.
Speaker 6:
[16:00] How do we get it to start?
Speaker 4:
[16:03] Oh!
Speaker 1:
[16:28] Like, really gorgeous, right?
Speaker 4:
[16:29] Yes, so I don't know if a lot of people know. I don't feel like we haven't talked a ton about this on Rewind, but when you're doing a show of this level and doing the sound design and the mixing and all the sort of stuff, you're also in some ways also a composer, because what you're doing is you're taking all the music that's composed and we break that up into all of its elements, right? So that cue might not have actually expressly been written, but myself or Jonathan or whoever's doing the show might take it and put together by pulling stuff from other cues to create that cue for that moment. So you have to also be a really good musician in order to pull that stuff off. And Jonathan is also a musician and also a composer. So along with it's kind of all of these things, you're holding all these balls in the air kind of at once, composition, sound design, the mix, the way that the voices are going and all that kind of stuff. So it's hard to find and be able to test like in TV and film. Like those are all individual jobs. So with us, it's one person, you know. And so needless to say, those people are hard to find. And that's why Jonathan is such a treasure. Yeah. That's great.
Speaker 2:
[17:40] One thing I'll say, a lot of discussion sound design wise on episode 10 was the question of how to do Ned's narration. A lot of times we'll have this question come up, like where is this voiceover happening when and where? It doesn't really matter to me. It's sort of like in the ether. I never think of it that way.
Speaker 1:
[17:58] Right. It doesn't have to be literal. I hear you say.
Speaker 2:
[18:00] It's not literally someone sitting down and writing these things.
Speaker 1:
[18:02] It's not within the diegetic form, all right?
Speaker 4:
[18:04] Dave's saying that it's Chris that always brings it up.
Speaker 2:
[18:07] Well, now Ben often too. But with Ned, the question was, what does Ned sound like? Because we're kind of hearing him almost in his own head, but what does Ned's head sound? So we tried versions of it where Ned didn't have any of the computer sound to his voice. And I think it was really weird. It was a cool idea because the idea is like you're hearing Ned almost as human in the spot where he's telling the story of his family that he loves. But it just didn't quite sound right once we put it on.
Speaker 4:
[18:35] But I think in the end we took a little bit like, he has multiple effects on his voice. And I think what we did is we tried nothing and that was like a little jarring. And then we did like half and half, I think, or something. Like we took the reverb and a bunch of different stuff off.
Speaker 2:
[18:49] Right, because it's not coming out of a speaker in the same way, but it's still computerized, yeah.
Speaker 4:
[18:54] Because then it just started sounding like an actor doing a computer voice.
Speaker 2:
[18:58] Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:
[18:59] Which it was, but by the way, when you were talking about Ned's narration at the end, it made me think about the whole brain in the jar moment. Another really horrific concept, GZM Shows for all ages.
Speaker 2:
[19:14] I will say on that note, the question of how scary to make it for kids. One of the things that you notice in there, twice, Coral, she gives the people a couple of minutes to evacuate before she unleashes the wave. And the same thing on the island in Japan, she says we've given a tsunami warning as opposed to just committing mass murder.
Speaker 1:
[19:36] And that's a beautiful thing. And I just want to shout out two really standout actors. I call them bystander of the week. If you want to play the clips, Dave and Chris.
Speaker 4:
[19:45] Oh, yeah, these guys, I tell you, these guys, I can tell you.
Speaker 2:
[19:48] I thought you were going to talk about Tony nominee, Mike Loy. I think he's Tony nominee.
Speaker 1:
[19:53] Oh, well, yeah, we'll talk about that in a minute.
Speaker 4:
[19:55] Let's start with Dave.
Speaker 2:
[19:58] What is that? There.
Speaker 3:
[20:00] Damn, run!
Speaker 1:
[20:02] Go to camp.
Speaker 3:
[20:03] I've got this. What? Trust me.
Speaker 4:
[20:05] Go.
Speaker 2:
[20:06] We got a runner.
Speaker 1:
[20:08] Hey, army guys, you looking for me?
Speaker 2:
[20:11] It's one of the Divers kids. Come on.
Speaker 4:
[20:13] That's right.
Speaker 5:
[20:14] Can't catch me too slow.
Speaker 1:
[20:19] Classic.
Speaker 2:
[20:21] That's me as one of the wet bandits from HOME ALONE.
Speaker 1:
[20:26] And Chris.
Speaker 4:
[20:26] Here's this amazing actor named Chris. Hey, what did you do?
Speaker 3:
[20:31] Nothing.
Speaker 6:
[20:32] Don't come any closer.
Speaker 4:
[20:33] Come with me, kid, and nobody gets hurt.
Speaker 3:
[20:35] Well, I can't promise that. What?
Speaker 4:
[20:38] I mean, it's not my fault you're about to trip that...
Speaker 1:
[20:43] Swinging branch trap!
Speaker 2:
[20:45] Yes!
Speaker 3:
[20:46] Hey!
Speaker 1:
[20:48] You know, it's really beautiful that the child catchers from Whittier Corp... Well, I guess it's not so beautiful that they're not employed full time. They have to take contract work as child catchers for other government agencies.
Speaker 2:
[21:01] Luckily, they have resumes.
Speaker 1:
[21:03] Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:
[21:04] When you're looking for people to grab kids.
Speaker 1:
[21:05] It's sort of like a temp agency for child catchers.
Speaker 4:
[21:09] My favorite moment of this, actually, Dave, in our production media, I was telling Dave, we're working on a future episode of something that I had to go back in archives and pull a bunch of clips and stuff. And in the script, Dave, you wrote, you know, this name of the cop where they go to New Orleans and there's the cop.
Speaker 7:
[21:26] Yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 4:
[21:27] And I'm like, who is this? I can't, and I go back in and I listen and it's like, Five Minutes of Dave.
Speaker 1:
[21:35] So listeners, that just gives you a bit of an idea that we are all hands on.
Speaker 2:
[21:41] All hands on deck, sure are, yeah.
Speaker 1:
[21:44] You know, I'm making gifs of my Broadway idols and also sometimes writing a play and also sometimes saying, what was that line I said in Mina and Lucy? Hey, I think that was my line in Mina and Lucy.
Speaker 2:
[21:58] When they threw the bowling ball. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[21:59] Right. I had one for another show last week that Amy sent me. It was for multiple shows. And it must have been, I don't know, 15 day players in various shows. And so I was just like going through the lines. I'm like, oh, this isn't the show. This isn't the show. Oh, here I'm playing Captain Nobody. Okay. Then I'm in this one. It's like, I'm just like putting them all together.
Speaker 2:
[22:22] I get to be a parrot next week.
Speaker 4:
[22:23] That's true.
Speaker 1:
[22:24] Oh, really?
Speaker 2:
[22:25] But not a parrot on this show. I'm not playing Ruto. I'm a parrot in Do Good.
Speaker 1:
[22:30] I think somebody even says, oh, soldier number two in this one. It's his name. Well, actually, since you brought it up before we started playing these clips, this show is really full of Broadway stars. Four, I think. Five? Five Broadway stars, at least. I really just delighted in making them bad actors. If you want to play really, just really quick to wrap it up. Episode six, bad acting.
Speaker 3:
[23:00] We're on a beach? I think so.
Speaker 5:
[23:07] Where are we?
Speaker 4:
[23:09] Ribbit, ribbit, ribbit.
Speaker 6:
[23:11] Is that a frog?
Speaker 3:
[23:15] I've never seen one that big.
Speaker 1:
[23:19] And Colin also is like, I was in my high school production of Hair.
Speaker 2:
[23:23] Yes.
Speaker 4:
[23:23] It's a good little Easter egg.
Speaker 2:
[23:24] We'll love this stuff. Yes.
Speaker 1:
[23:26] That's good. That's good.
Speaker 2:
[23:28] Fun fact that Mandy and Michael Loie, who plays Solomon, were in Hamilton together.
Speaker 1:
[23:33] I just love that.
Speaker 2:
[23:34] I know.
Speaker 1:
[23:35] I love how tiny our world is and also big and also we cast them and put them in our shows and then we get to make them do silly stuff like that.
Speaker 2:
[23:46] And he's got the greatest voice too. Speaking and singing.
Speaker 1:
[23:49] Yeah, I totally agree. It's so pleasant. Well, anything to say to Rip-Up?
Speaker 4:
[23:56] I don't know. I think if you enjoy this, you should come over to the GZM Rewind feed. We go out like this every single time.
Speaker 1:
[24:05] Well, we hope you're listening on the GZM app or on Supercast, but we're happy wherever you're listening. Thank you for listening to Imagination Amplified, Hidden Island Season 3, coming soon.
Speaker 2:
[24:17] Peace, love and gilly.
Speaker 1:
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