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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Because I like the idea that people I have a beef with would just stand there for two hours trying to get the rotation of like, did I make the cut? But it would be hundreds, hundreds of clips. And I want podcast listeners to travel to it so that they can know all the things that were edited. It would be like, free Jamie.

Speaker 2:
[00:15] Yeah, the ultimate free Jamie. She's finally free, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[00:18] No more edits, no more edits.

Speaker 2:
[00:19] I do like that. You've been like, hold on, I'm just finishing up an eight way with all the hottest Chris's in the afterlife. I'll be right back to tell you about beach number seven.

Speaker 1:
[00:28] Guys, why choose in the afterlife?

Speaker 2:
[00:38] Hello, and welcome to episode number 656 of The Popcast. I'm your host, Knox McCoy.

Speaker 1:
[00:42] And I'm your other host, Jamie Golden.

Speaker 2:
[00:43] The Popcast is a show dedicated to the life of ADSC, and we're committed to educating you on the things that entertain, but do not matter.

Speaker 1:
[00:50] To find out more about these confessionary pursuits, check us out at knoxandjamie.com. You can also find us on Instagram, threads, Facebook, and Blue Sky at The Popcast.

Speaker 2:
[01:00] Thanks for joining us this week, as we are going to be talking Spring Break Confessions.

Speaker 1:
[01:05] You guys, but before we do that, one of our favorite things about our brand new, much-talked-about Spring Gift Guide is small businesses whose owners listen to the show and they're friends of the show and they appear throughout the guide. Okay, and one of those listeners is Rachel Griman. When her son was diagnosed with cancer, she had to spend months in the hospital and she chose to disassociate on the internet and found herself on Fragrance TikTok. Fast forward, her son is in remission. He's doing great, yay. Rachel decides to pivot her whole career and open Denver's first and only niche fragrance shop called Ode. Now, it ships out anywhere in the US. Erin and I have used our own cash money multiple times to buy multiple bottles from her. If you head to ode2perfume.com and let Rachel build you a custom sample bag or blind buy with the discount in our gift guide, one of my favorite sections on her site. It's called Vibes, and you can browse through these 24 different moods, and you can find fragrances to match. It includes vibes like a delicious sneeze, your grandpa's chair, toes in the sand, afternoon tea, and much more. Now, we don't make any money off your purchase, but you do get to smell amazing and support a woman-owned small business. Again, let Rachel guide your scent adventure, see her curated selections in our gift guide. So you can go to the gift guide, Knox and jamie.com/springgiftguide, or head straight to ode at ode2perfume.com. The links are in the show notes.

Speaker 2:
[02:33] All right, Jamie, we are going to be talking spring break confessions. It's the season. We feel like, you know, it's probably we're probably on the tail end of spring breaks, I'm guessing, depending on where you go to school. But we thought it'd be a good time to revisit. You know, one of the great American traditions is trying to go somewhere tropical, it not being warm enough, trying to act like you're having a good time when you're not and all the things going wrong and hijinks and suing. So we thought it'd be a good time to do that.

Speaker 1:
[03:00] Listen, I was in Nashville last week for a friend of the show, Laura Tremaine, she had a secret summit and we were in Nashville. Let me just say this, in our hotel room, it was us at an accounting conference, which seemed mean. Like you just finished tax day, why are you making them come to Nashville for that? But then also Model UN. And let me tell you, the Model UN kids were having a great time, but there were also some still college spring breakers. I don't know if it's just late college spring breakers. Man, they smelled like patchouli and leather, and they wore a lot of rawhide, and it was very fun. But there was always one person in the group you could tell who was like, I got outvoted to come to Nashville, unfortunately. And so I do love spring break stories because they're always, it's like a whiff of disappointment, and I love it.

Speaker 2:
[03:51] Yeah, it really is. And you're seeing the light of the warmer weather, so I get it. But at the same time, I do think it's one of the most overrated holiday weeks, just because you are trying to force yourself into something that's kind of unnatural, if you're in the continental United States, at least. And you end up just being a little disappointed because nowhere is as hot as you need it to be. But you don't, I might be speaking for everybody here generally. I think most people are wanting to go back to the cold, because you've been through the cold. You're wanting to go to that warm weather, but the climate is just not really accommodating, especially recently.

Speaker 1:
[04:28] You've really got to get to another country, which was never an option for me. Like it wasn't like, okay, you guys, let's go to Brazil and have a great spring break. There was no, I only had a Chevron credit card and they don't let you pay for flights with that.

Speaker 2:
[04:43] We weren't going to Barcelona just like in our tax bracket. And it turns out now you're not going either probably because the planes don't have oil and gas.

Speaker 1:
[04:53] Well, if you're going, you're not getting back. So I hope you enjoy staying there. I hope you have a good time.

Speaker 2:
[04:57] Good luck. So we got a lot of great confessions from listeners that I'm eager to talk about. Before we do that, Jamie, do you have a spring break confessional that you want to talk about real quick?

Speaker 1:
[05:07] You know, I was thinking, spring break in the 90s, so high school and college, it was just not as fun as it is now. It can be a lot more fun. Most of my classmates, I unfortunately went to a snooty college and most of my classmates had money, okay? So I again had that Chevron gas card. Now listen, was I making the most of that? Yes, I bought other folks their gas and they would pay me cash. And my mother ended up having to cancel that credit card because I had racked up $400 in one month full of gas charges and had not driven home, which was the purpose of that card. But I was using that cash to eat at Cheesecake Factory. But my classmates were flying to Cabo. And I had never been on a plane. Listen, until my senior year of college, I had never been on a plane. So it didn't even occur to me. But our senior year, we finally came up with a spring break trip and we went to everybody's favorite hot, sexy, college age spring break location, which was Disney World, okay? We drove in my roommate's grandmother's Lincoln town car, okay? Because it was roomier.

Speaker 2:
[06:10] That's just, honestly, sick. That's just the coolest thing ever, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1:
[06:15] We went from Atlanta to Orlando. We stayed four in a hotel room, as you do, sharing a queen bed with someone. There were so many kids. Listen, do you know how many kids go to Disney World and how that's not my vibe?

Speaker 2:
[06:28] A lot, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[06:29] It's full. It is full of children. But we did get to do the most iconic thing that you could do in 1998, which was go to the Hard Rock Cafe and get a shirt. But the problem was when we pulled up to the Hard Rock Cafe, there was no parking. So we as four pretty religious girls, two Protestants, one devout Catholic, one Jewish young woman, we did park Memaw's car in the handicap parking place because she did have a handicap tag. It upset my Enneagram One roommate, Angie, very much. And so she made our other roommate, Jen, limp all the way into the Hard Rock Cafe so that we would at least have some sort of alibi.

Speaker 2:
[07:15] Because the 21-year-old hostess was definitely clocking and checking and be like, wait a minute.

Speaker 1:
[07:21] And now it would be me. I'd be like, are you supposed to park in that space? You need to leave that space where people really need it. And so anyway, that was the extent of my law breaking. That was the extent of my adventures. I just never really did Spring Break. Like it was just part of my narrative. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[07:40] Yeah. My Spring Break, most of my life it was taken up with baseball. It's a lot of baseball trips. There was, I think it was my sophomore year. I got to play on the high school. I was in high school, but it was like a senior heavy team. I was only sophomore. Oh, that's. It's complicated. I hit puberty very early, so my nickname was Man Child because I looked like a grown adult playing with seniors and it was strange.

Speaker 1:
[08:11] Sabrina's song about you?

Speaker 2:
[08:13] It is. I hate to reveal that. This isn't even a Paywalled episode. I should have saved it. But so it was just a bunch of seniors at Disney World. And they all went to Pleasure Island. And I, because I, it's not just because I was a sophomore, because even if I was a senior, I probably still wouldn't have gone with them. I just hung out with the parents and did my, I got a head start on my summer reading. So I was- I was crushing it at the pool.

Speaker 1:
[08:39] That's the most Knox thing ever.

Speaker 2:
[08:40] I know.

Speaker 1:
[08:41] Knox being like, I don't want to go to the crowded place.

Speaker 2:
[08:43] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[08:43] Like, what if we stayed here and read Ulysses? Yeah. What if we did that?

Speaker 2:
[08:49] I'm crushing The Chosen while you guys are getting intoxicated. Who's the real winner here? It wasn't me. And I remember thinking, I bet the parents were like, look at this responsible kid. And I bet they were just like, look at this sad, probably Unabomber-esque personality. But that was most of the deal. My senior year, I did go on a Spring Break trip with three of my closest friends. We had a great time. We were un-chaperoned. We were un-governable. And two of us were dating, like I was dating Ashley at this point. My other friend Scott, he was dating the woman who would eventually marry. So we were with our future spouses. The other two were not. So they were on the hunt. And they had, I still don't know how they met these two girls that I don't know, like they shouldn't have known them, but we were in Myrtle Beach and we ended up going to their house. And mine and Scott's job is to occupy the parents while they hang out with the daughters, sisters, whatever, just they're spending time. So it turns into like three hours. And we're trying, I don't know if he knows about me. Me with parents being a conversationalist, in a situation I was not prepared for, it didn't go great. So I just read an entire James Dobson book they had on the bookshelf. They did invite me to peruse it. And my friend Scott really tried to take up the mantle of conversation, said a few offensive things that he didn't realize. They had a parrot that spoke. So we really spent a lot of the night trying to engage with the parrot. But that's what kind of wingman we were. But probably my favorite Spring Break memory, I guess I was 10? No, I think I was 11. And we went to Florida. I don't remember where in Florida. But this was 1993 in March, AKA storm of the century. So I don't know what happened in Birmingham. We had the blizzard of 93 in Tennessee.

Speaker 1:
[10:41] Yeah, we had the blizzard of 93.

Speaker 2:
[10:42] OK, so you know what? So we had left prior to this. And I'm like, did my parents not have the weather channel? Did they not know? Or was they just like, we paid, we're going. So we go to Florida, which they didn't get the blizzard. They got like hurricane force winds. And I don't know if I'm making this up or if I just like remember this. I remember being in a hotel and like the water going out of the toilets. And I remember like glass breaking. But I remember seeing a very large man try to go out to his car to pull it up to like get his family out of there. He's a big guy, big boy. He steps out, gone. The wind eats him away, like just throws him down the parking lot. And I just remember thinking, oh my God, like what is happening? So we ride it out and then drive back home to the blizzard. So it was like I missed the blizzard. We did get a hurricane, which was kind of sick, but we still got to enjoy like another week of the blizzard and our power hadn't gone off, which was kind of rare at that point.

Speaker 1:
[11:40] So did you check on that guy? Did you check on that guy?

Speaker 2:
[11:43] Oh, that was his choice. You know, that was his choice.

Speaker 1:
[11:45] That was his journey. Wow.

Speaker 2:
[11:47] I think I don't know that my mom turned around and looked at us and was like, and that's why you don't go outside in a storm, but I'm pretty sure she did in her heart.

Speaker 1:
[11:54] Probably a little bit.

Speaker 2:
[11:54] She's an Enneagram 6, so I know it was there. So lots of complicated spring break trips in my life that I still feel really great about.

Speaker 1:
[12:04] So those are all, listen, if you're listening, please play this for your children. So they can be like, it's not all great. Like it might not be worth it.

Speaker 2:
[12:14] And then they can be like, who's this cool guy who keeps reading in front of parents as a teenager? What's his deal? Why isn't he more successful in life?

Speaker 1:
[12:23] I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[12:23] I don't know. I don't know what didn't shake out. So yeah. All right. So let's go ahead and get to some listener submissions. We have some really good ones that we need to talk about. So first up, this is High Life Wife. As a kid, I went away on a trip with my aunt, uncle and cousins for spring break. When I came back, my dad had moved out and my mom told me we were getting a divorce. Probably not quite the vibe you're looking for.

Speaker 1:
[12:44] Wow. Listen, that's brutal. Because you think, and I don't know where aunt and uncle, because aunt and uncle knew. Yeah. And we're like, okay, we got to figure it out. Probably we're paid by pre-divorce settlement. Sure. But I will say, this happened to me, like a version of this happened to me. My brother was in college on his spring break. He called and said, I'm coming home. I need you to leave the house for the weekend. Okay. I was like, 16, 17. I was like, why? What's going on? He was like, don't worry about it. You just got to go. I had to find somewhere to go. It wasn't my spring break. I had to go to school. I went to my friend Kelly Anne's house and all we did was speculate what could this be about. It was about the fact that he needed to tell Chuck and Jan that his college girlfriend was a pregnant with my nephew.

Speaker 2:
[13:36] I understand not wanting you around for that, to be honest. I do understand.

Speaker 1:
[13:39] I would have been like, listen, I might have done a Victory Dancer because we were always competing of who is the better kid. Who's the favorite? Every parent has a favorite. Someone told me this weekend, it's not that you have a favorite, it's that you have one that's easier to love at any given time.

Speaker 2:
[13:53] That's 100 percent true.

Speaker 1:
[13:56] I was wanting to be the easier to love because let me tell you, my parents were very strict about all things. My mother did blame the alcohol for many years. Now, they went on to have four kids and they're all fantastic. But I did think that's why I can't ever drink because I'll end up pregnant. That's how I equated it. When you grow up in rural Alabama, you're just like, well, if you drink, you're getting pregnant. Is that true for some people? Yes.

Speaker 2:
[14:21] Yes, it is. It actually is true for the most part. I'm surprised you didn't negotiate in like, I will leave, but a condition, I do have to know why you're sending me away, Keith.

Speaker 1:
[14:31] God, he just wouldn't tell because he knew I would tell him. I can't, I can keep a secret now.

Speaker 2:
[14:37] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[14:37] Maybe Jamie told everybody's truth.

Speaker 2:
[14:39] If I was Keith, I would have just been like, hey, heads up, I don't know if you read the paper, the mailbox kidnappers back in town. So you may want to lay low for the next couple of days at your friend's house so they don't know where you live anymore.

Speaker 1:
[14:50] So mean to reference my fear of being kidnapped.

Speaker 2:
[14:54] Just thinking outside the box. Howl Life Live, this is exactly the vibe we're looking for. No, it is.

Speaker 1:
[15:00] You nailed it.

Speaker 2:
[15:01] So thank you for sending that. It's a great lead-off batter in this lineup of heavyweights here. Next up, I'm Shannon Carter. I'm okay with the username. I like the declaration. It's clear.

Speaker 1:
[15:14] Because you can tell she's sending a message to the person who got Shannon Carter.

Speaker 2:
[15:18] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[15:19] So she's like, no, I'm Shannon Carter. I'm the captain now. I'm Shannon Carter. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[15:23] They said, The Bible College I attended traded Spring Break for quote, week of evangelism, and we were forced to go on mission trips. The expense was also added to our tuition. Nothing like a bunch of 18 to 22 year olds out playing white savior in the 10 to 40 window.

Speaker 1:
[15:35] So brutal. This is brutal. Look, I did go on a Spring Break trip and it was like three nights to Laguna Beach, Florida. And we did do beach reach. And let me tell you what Spring Breakers in Laguna Beach love. A rural Alabama girl in a T-shirt that reads, get right or get left over her one piece swimsuit and her glasses. They love it. They love it. They love to be condemned in the middle of trying to have a margarita. It's great. This is, and I'm sure there are many people listening that have similar stories of like doing your white savior-dom. I'm glad we don't do that anymore, except unfortunately we sometimes don't do.

Speaker 2:
[16:19] I was going to say, bad news, Jamie. You might want to sit down for this because we do.

Speaker 1:
[16:24] Was it like literally the last big trip we took before the pandemic was us going to Honduras and us explaining clearly to the child support organization, which does really great work, us saying to them, we will not take photos of any of these children.

Speaker 2:
[16:39] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[16:39] We will not take photos of these families. The people we were with were like, clickety-click, here, get me holding this baby.

Speaker 2:
[16:45] Yeah. Pick up that baby again. Can you look sadder?

Speaker 1:
[16:48] Like, hey, can you look sad? Yeah. Where's your mother? Oh, you don't know her? Okay, now look at the camera.

Speaker 2:
[16:52] Yeah. This is just my face. Please don't ask me. Please don't stage-drag me, sir. Yeah, so my theory, if you grew up in the South, you were mildly church-going, you have experience with this. I think this is one of the single biggest miscalculations in evangelical Christianity, because you expose young people to people in the middle class of ethical behavior. They're on a beach. They're having a decent time. For the most part, they aren't doing heroin or anything. This was prior to MTV Spring Break, where it got a little out of pocket. There's a lot of wet t-shirt contests. I never saw any of that. I just saw people playing catch on the beach, maybe having a brew ski or two, having a pretty okay time. When you walk away, you're usually rejected, sometimes more forcefully. But you walk away, you're like, I don't know, they kind of seemed happy. It didn't seem like they were missing the piece of Jesus. They kind of seem like they were having a decent time. So I think that starts that deconstruction clock in your head of just like, yeah, I don't know if I'm supposed to be here yelling at people on the beach about going to hell. I don't know that this is the best use of my time.

Speaker 1:
[18:04] Listen, and I now can look back and go, oh, that was really just a sliver of people that were doing that. If you're listening and you're like, no, that's the norm. No, it's not. Mainline churches don't do this.

Speaker 2:
[18:15] No.

Speaker 1:
[18:15] Catholics barely, Catholics don't do this.

Speaker 2:
[18:18] No.

Speaker 1:
[18:19] Listen, I was always like, why aren't we Jewish? Because on my spring break trip was Hilde, and her mother was like, you're Baptist, but your last name is Golden.

Speaker 2:
[18:31] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[18:31] Because there's Judaism in your genealogy. You need to go find it. Yeah. Then she went on a birthright trip to Israel. I was like, why am I going to Laguna Beach to pass out tracks when I could go on a birthright trip to wherever that is? I don't know where that would be, but I want to go.

Speaker 2:
[18:48] That's a good point, man. It feels like we're in venture capital money phase. Even joke, it's just get big, spread, grow, grow, grow. And the other ones are just like, no, connect with your roots and understand this ideology of yours. And I don't know, I feel like it just needs closer examination because it's a miscalculation.

Speaker 1:
[19:10] That's sweet that you think they do that kind of thing anymore. They don't do that.

Speaker 2:
[19:13] Let's bring it in, guys. What are we doing? What are we doing here? You know? OK, let's do next one. Hockster 5. This is crazy. Senior year in college, me and a couple of friends, three girls, decided to go to North Carolina for spring break. In hindsight, it's a miracle we didn't end up on Dateline. Got a cheap Airbnb that turned out to just be a spare room in a single man's house. He was a divorced single dad and rented out his spare bedroom. We used his kitchen, hung out in his living room, et cetera. He turned out to be a nice, polite man. Boy, oh boy. In hindsight, there is no way we should have done that. Exclamation point. Turned out to be a great trip, but could have gone so badly. Exclamation point.

Speaker 1:
[19:50] Listen, there's so many elements to this comment. Okay. The first one is it turned out to just be a spare room. You knew that. It's in the listing.

Speaker 2:
[19:59] It's in the listing. It is in the listing.

Speaker 1:
[20:01] So I don't know which one, because it sounds like it might have been you, Huckster.

Speaker 2:
[20:05] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[20:05] I want to know which of you and the three friends were all looking for the guy who did this.

Speaker 2:
[20:09] You know, so we don't know.

Speaker 1:
[20:11] I don't know why Airbnb wasn't clear about this. I also love that it probably even said, a spare room sounds like one bed.

Speaker 2:
[20:19] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[20:20] So we don't even have the details of like, what was the sleeping situation? And the fact that they were like, well, we got to stay here with this guy.

Speaker 2:
[20:27] This is our lot. The deposit is locked and this is just what we're doing, even though it's a-

Speaker 1:
[20:32] No survival instincts whatsoever.

Speaker 2:
[20:34] A single dad who's just been divorced, like I think it turned out well. I do think this probably should count as charity work because what these three college girls did for this man's fantasy life in the Spank Bank probably can't be underestimated. I hate to be the one to say it, but it's there, it's true, it's real, it's uncomfortable.

Speaker 1:
[20:52] Hotster, so many spillage on the ground as a reference in the Bible.

Speaker 2:
[20:57] Do you know how many times he texts his ex-wife, be like, hey, how are you? I have three college girls in my living room, I guess, which is tough. To me, the biggest red flag is they decide to go to North Carolina for Spring Break. What are you doing? North Carolina? What do you mean, North Carolina? That's not a Spring Break destination.

Speaker 1:
[21:13] But there are like beaches there, right? There's beaches and mountains.

Speaker 2:
[21:17] Yeah, if you enjoy like 40 degree water, I guess. If you're trying to go Spring Break, go Spring Break. What are you doing in North Carolina? It's crazy.

Speaker 1:
[21:23] I do not understand why, listen, we've been on the record of this many times. I do not know why people go to East Coast beaches other than if you live on the East Coast.

Speaker 2:
[21:30] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[21:33] But you like Hilton Head and-

Speaker 2:
[21:34] I do, but you gotta go in the hardest summer or otherwise.

Speaker 1:
[21:37] Yeah, you gotta go in the heat.

Speaker 2:
[21:39] You're gonna get stung by jellyfish, but do you wanna get stung when it's hot and you can cool off in the water or when it's cold and you shouldn't be in the water in the first place, when it's hot out there.

Speaker 1:
[21:47] Yeah, and you're all blanketed up and miserable? No, none of that's good.

Speaker 2:
[21:50] I just like, I'm going to Charlotte for Spring Break. Does that sound normal? I'm going to Raleigh, I'm going to Wilmington.

Speaker 1:
[21:56] Also, it does sound like they went, it does sound like they went to Charlotte and they're in an apartment, in a suburb, because that's what it sounds like. They're not even on the beach.

Speaker 2:
[22:06] Do you know why you hung out in his living room? Because you went to North Carolina on your spring break, there's nothing to do, what are you talking about? This is insane. Okay, so a question I want to ask you on some of these is, is this a good setup for a rom-com movie or TV series you'd watch, or is it just an insane story?

Speaker 1:
[22:23] The problem is, she says senior year in college, so you were married in your senior year of college.

Speaker 2:
[22:31] I was an old married couple at my senior year in college. We're talking about, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[22:34] So there is, and a single man, he doesn't have kids.

Speaker 2:
[22:40] No, he does. She says single dad, right? So there's like a-

Speaker 1:
[22:44] Oh, but they don't live there because he doesn't have custody.

Speaker 2:
[22:48] He doesn't have custody. So Jamie, imagine this, you're in a spare bedroom, it's Daniel Tiger decorations and you're sharing a twin with three girls from college and you're senior. You're not ready to go out in the free world. What are you talking about?

Speaker 1:
[23:01] No, so this can't be a rom-com because there's too many problems. There's too many problems. Yeah, no rom-com here.

Speaker 2:
[23:07] I would like to not rule out the possibility that he was a serial killer who did end up on Dayline, but he was like, this is too easy. I'm not going to kill y'all. I just want you to learn a lesson here. I prefer a little bit of difficulty and competition in my kills, but you guys are just putting on a platter for me.

Speaker 1:
[23:25] And there's too many witnesses. If I don't do a clean kill across the board, it's not going to go well. I got to get all four of you at the same time. And so it's tough because that's what took out that professor at that college in Iowa or wherever. You couldn't take out everybody. He's going to prison forever. So don't worry about it.

Speaker 2:
[23:42] It's insane. It's insane. Okay, next up. Chelsea Warren, 67, during my junior year, I tacked along on my friend's family trip to San Diego to meet up with a boy I liked. His name was Jarrett, not to be confused with Garrett. Jamie, I'm going to stop the comment. Pause, pause. When you read this, were you like, his name was Jarrett, probably Garrett, and you needed this clarification or did you understand what she meant?

Speaker 1:
[24:05] No, I was like, is this a Parks and Recs reference to Jerry and Gary? Like, is that's what's happening now? Nobody confuses, Chelsea, Chelsea Warren, 67, 67. Nobody confuses Garrett and Jarrett. They're two completely different names.

Speaker 2:
[24:20] Or did you read this to mean his name was spelled Jarrett but pronounced Garrett? Because then that's a whole nother situation. Anyways, the day I was supposed to meet him, my friend, her mom, and me drove to his house. He had told me before that his family were big Disney fans, but I mostly thought that meant that they were Mickey ears when they visited the D land. Don't like that designation for Disneyland, but whatever. However, when we walked inside the place was literally a Disney memorabilia museum. Goofy on the walls, that one's for you, Aaron. Mickey on the couch, oven utensil shaped like Donald Duck, et cetera. It was a lot, and I don't think Jared, not Garrett, ever liked me. You win some, you lose some.

Speaker 1:
[24:56] Okay. Do we think Chelsea has made a case based on these descriptors that this was a Disney memorabilia museum? Because what I've seen is just a picture of Goofy on a wall, a stuffed Mickey on the couch and a spatula shaped like pantsless Donald Duck. That doesn't sound like a good museum. I don't think Walt Disney would be proud if that was the whole bit. I don't even know that she has even made a case. Also, how did she meet Jared? Why are they going all the way to San Diego? How do you know Jared? Is it from IM? Is it from Tumblr? What's going on? How did you end up at these people's house? I don't understand. This is the most absurd story. Why did your friend's family take you?

Speaker 2:
[25:44] Thank you. That detail, like just the first sentence, one of the best sentences in modern literature. During my junior year, I tagged along my friend's family's trip to San Diego to meet up with a boy I like. There are so many variables in there. It's your junior year in high school. You've clearly met someone in a future Disney adults chat room, and you didn't realize how hard he went, and you talked to your friend's parents into taking you with them, so you could meet this guy. Your parents don't exist in this story, but they were cool with that. And my suspicion, the friend's parents were like, you mean we get to have in-flight entertainment on this trip and watch this crash and burn? Yeah, I'd love a front row seat to that. Thank you, please. And it's not pronounced Jarrett, it's Jarrett. Great, love it.

Speaker 1:
[26:35] And the mom was like, hey, I'm going to skip going to see the Seals, and I'm going to take you and my daughter, and we're going to go meet this family in-

Speaker 2:
[26:44] Are there Seals? I mean, I'm sure there's Seals in San Diego, but are they like the San Francisco Seals that I just saw?

Speaker 1:
[26:49] Oh, no, they're even better. They're better? Because it's warmer. They're warmer.

Speaker 2:
[26:53] Do they do tricks?

Speaker 1:
[26:55] I think there's just Seals in the Pacific.

Speaker 2:
[26:57] I agree, I agree. I don't think it's exclusive to San Francisco, but I didn't know if San Diego was like, whoa, look at these guys.

Speaker 1:
[27:02] It's called, listen, it's spelled La Jolla, but it's La Gala, because it's not Jarrett, it's Garrett. I know it's La Jolla, shut up, don't message me. I don't think it's, maybe it's not La Jolla, maybe it's La Jolla. No, it's gotta be La Jolla. That's where the Seals are. I've seen them, they're great.

Speaker 2:
[27:19] Okay, I did ask an AI, we don't know if we can trust them. I said, are there Seals in San Diego? And he said, yes, there are Seals in San Diego, you freaking idiot. They can be seen year round along the coast. The best place to see them is the children's pool in La Jolla, Gala, whatever it is.

Speaker 1:
[27:34] I knew I was right.

Speaker 2:
[27:35] There you go, very good, very good. Yeah, I did want to ask is like what's the toughest? Like if you were meeting a guy and you're like, he was like, I'm into X and you're like, cool. And you didn't know to what extent he was. Like would it be Disney decor or would it be like Sonic the Hedgehog decor? Would it be like Mighty Morphin Power Rangers? But there seems to be a weird focus on Rita Repulsa. Or would it be like you walk in the house and it's just signage, like live, laugh, love, no shirt, no shoes, no problem.

Speaker 1:
[28:08] No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2:
[28:09] Eat with a big spoon, like what's the worst set up for you?

Speaker 1:
[28:11] If your walls are talking to me, I'm walking out. Like I can't do that, absolutely not. Because I feel like Disney adults are pretty laid back. You have to be laid back to be a Disney adult in some respects because going to Disney is very hard and very expensive. It's very expensive. Now, if you have a Disney house and you've never been to Disney World, then we have to have a different conversation. Okay? Actually, the worst would be like if it was just, I mean, the true worst would be if it was just War Eagle everywhere. It's just an Auburn memorabilia. I'd be like, I got to go. First of all, I don't look good in an orange house.

Speaker 2:
[28:47] Why is Terry Bowden? I was a picture of Terry Bowden in the bathroom. I got to go now. That's insane. I love it personally.

Speaker 1:
[28:56] This could be a rom-com.

Speaker 2:
[28:59] I think it could, a TV series or a rom-com. First of all, you're like, is your name Jared or Garrett? But I do think, I don't know. I think I push back on Disney Adults are laid back. I think they're culturally benign because they're like first century Christians. They're like, we're out there and we're evangelical, but we got to keep a low profile because of Nero and Vernon at the stake reasons. But when they get into Disney World, there's nothing laid back about Disney Adults. I think Evan will probably attest to this.

Speaker 1:
[29:30] Listen, that's fair. To be fair, at our company, we do have a proud Disney Adult in Evan. He runs those marathons, he goes on them cruises.

Speaker 2:
[29:41] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[29:41] He spends all that cash. He can tell you where to go, what to do. But that's why I like a Disney Adult because if you are going to go once, go find you in the Disney Adult, they'll tell you all the secrets, all the tricks. Yeah. Listen, they're so excited because you're right, they keep it close to the vest. But if you turn that key, it's a delight.

Speaker 2:
[29:59] If they ask you if you want to see their collection in the basement, just no, it's intense. It's going to be intense.

Speaker 1:
[30:04] Are you in an Airbnb in a spare room and the single dad wants to show you his collection in the basement? Say no.

Speaker 2:
[30:09] Don't go down there. I do think Disney Adults are probably the most contented, like extreme fandom because they're just kind of coasting on generational vibes at this point. And it's not like, man, if the new Avengers movie doesn't hit, like all my stock is worthless. It's just like, it's Mickey and Donald, maybe Pete, maybe Clarabelle. They're never getting canceled. They're not problematic.

Speaker 1:
[30:32] Yeah. They're like, I don't care that Disney owns ABC. It doesn't mean I watch Good Morning America. I'm not a purist in that way, but they are like, yeah, I just love the classics. I love the joy and the happiness.

Speaker 2:
[30:43] And then like they can wait. Like they can be like, I don't know about this baby Yoda. Does he have what it takes? And then when he takes it, I'll be like, yep, I'm a baby Yoda guy because now he's a Disney guy. Like it's a great situation for them, honestly.

Speaker 1:
[30:53] No, I like it.

Speaker 2:
[30:55] Next up, Cara Seybob. In college, my boyfriend broke up with me, so I went with his dorm roommate to his hometown of El Paso during Spring Break. Stayed at his home with his newly divorced dad. If you're sensing a theme, there is a theme of divorced dads in these comments. Stayed with his newly divorced dad, his brother and him. One night, since we were not 21, we walk across the border to Juarez, Mexico, and I literally only had my driver's license in $10 cash. This was 1999. As if that explains everything. That doesn't really explain much, but we'll get to that. No. Got very drunk, left my panties, stapled to the ceiling of a Mexican bar, and then stumbled across the border back in the US. The cop checking every drunk under 21-year-old, would just yell, what country are y'all from? I yelled, Texas. My parents still to this day don't know I did this. Thank goodness they aren't on Instagram.

Speaker 1:
[31:42] So if anyone knows Kara C. Bob, please send them a clip from this episode because we want the truth out there. Yeah. Because this is the layers, the layers. Your boyfriend's broken up with you. So I'm going to go with his door. Now, that romcom right there, that's the beginning of our romcom. Your ex's best friend, let's say. But then you're going to go, I want to know how far is El Paso? Are you in Amarillo? Because you're from Texas, but you could be from Austin. That's a lot further away. And so I don't know about that. I also, listen, we'll get to the, I do want to have a full conversation on the difference between divorced dads and divorced moms.

Speaker 2:
[32:27] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[32:27] They're just a different cut of cloth.

Speaker 2:
[32:30] So divorced dads, the bottom is, you know, like the ceiling is, there's a ceiling and there's a bottom on how far, how right, how you can rise. The dads, the bottom is the abyss. There's no telling how low you can go. With divorced moms, you know, it could go low or it could go high, but there's a range and it's pretty contained. With dads, you could be hosting college girls in Wilmington on Spring Break. There's just no telling what could be happening for you.

Speaker 1:
[32:55] Well, and also like, I do feel like divorced moms have chosen to divorce the dad. Like that's how this divorced happened. 90% of the time it's, yeah, I'ma go. You seem like a problem. So now you're a problem man who's now also divorced. And like, so it's like you have gone lower than the man.

Speaker 2:
[33:14] And you were unprepared for this. And that's why you got divorced because you never planned anything and you're not looking for the future.

Speaker 1:
[33:20] And that's the kind of guy who decides, you know what? I'm gonna take my college son and his little brother, little bubba, and this rando lady that has no real romantic connection to anyone in the story. And I'm gonna let her take off her panties. I don't like the word panties. I'm gonna let her take them off and say, I'm never gonna stop any of it. I'm gonna let them drink as much tequila, bottom shelf tequila, as they want. Cause he doesn't have the budget for top shelf. I know you guys think. She had $10.

Speaker 2:
[33:49] Let me push back on Dvor Stat. I don't feel like he factors in the story at all. I feel like he is a little detail of the story. Like there was a Japanese maple in the front yard, has no bearing on what happened.

Speaker 1:
[33:58] You don't think he went with them.

Speaker 2:
[33:59] No.

Speaker 1:
[34:00] He's back at the day then, the red roof in Juarez, and just waiting it out.

Speaker 2:
[34:05] He's crushing frozen dinners in front of the TV, watching Nolan Ryan and the Rangers. And that's pretty much the extent of what he's doing.

Speaker 1:
[34:14] He's just eating a tamale, being like, I sure do miss Jennifer.

Speaker 2:
[34:19] I miss her so much. I miss you, Jennifer. So my favorite part of this story is Cara C. Bob gets broken up with. You have a lot of options when you get broken up with. Hers is one of hostile takeover. She is going to, like the aliens in the Alien movie, she is going to insert herself into the body of his social structure and burst through the chest and ruin everything. This is his roommate, his dorm roommate. That's insane. This is the middle of the spring semester. There's no coming back from that. She like absorbed his family, El Paso. She is now she's like on the wall, her undergarments are on the wall of an establishment. She's crossing over into different countries. I'm impressed. I'm impressed. That's all I have to say here.

Speaker 1:
[35:04] Listen, there is a bulletin board on their dorm room door that his ex-girlfriend is photographed with his roommate standing next to her panty. Like that's happening. And it's a little flex of like, yeah, I didn't need you. I didn't need you at all.

Speaker 2:
[35:21] Yeah. I do like $10 and a driver's license gets you over the border and back. This country used to have an immigration policy. You know what I mean? It wasn't a lot, but it was something. And I appreciate that.

Speaker 1:
[35:31] And border patrol would just be like, where are you from?

Speaker 2:
[35:34] Honor code. But isn't the most American thing to say, what country are you from? Texas? It's kind of like a trick question. It's like, if she would have said America, step over here. I'm going to have to ask you some more questions. If you say Texas, that's the most American thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 1:
[35:49] Well, because that person is from Texas. And they're like, yep, that's what you're supposed to say, young lady.

Speaker 2:
[35:54] Welcome to the States, sweetie. Have a good time. That's good stuff. Next up, Akutansi. This is a little bit of a journey here. Once as a kid, my parents took us to numerous cemeteries. Great first line. It was so my dad could pick out a headstone for his parents and his brother's grave. The most recent three of these, the most three recent of these three individuals' deaths was around 10 years before. It was also strange when I look back, like we had all the catalogs in the car. This was because it was before technology. But for some reason, my dad wanted to see them in action. The graves, not the deaths. The craziest part was that my dad almost didn't purchase one at the end of the Spring Break adventure, but I think my mom made him and she did not want to repeat this week. But I'm not sure lessons were really learned, as my mom did pick out a gravestone pretty soon after my dad's death. She did have me and my two youngest kids go on an adventure to a cemetery. This one, now this is a separate cemetery adventure, okay? We have two separate cemetery adventures. This one was only a couple hours long to find my uncle's headstone in a small town. He was still alive and living in a different country, and it had a QR code that took you to a list of his academic achievements because he was a big deal in the math world, and he died shortly after this. At least we got really good donuts and had a good chat with the old gentleman who took care of the cemetery.

Speaker 1:
[37:07] There are so many, first of all-

Speaker 2:
[37:09] This is like a George Saunders premise book right here.

Speaker 1:
[37:12] Right, because, okay, I have a lot of questions. I have a lot of questions for Akatansi, okay? First of all, people had been deceased a minimum of 10 years. I'm assuming they were all cremated because you can't just hold a body for a decade until you're ready to put it in the ground. Or was it put in the ground and it had like a little red flag, you know, like a little flag, like, hey, this is a grave, but we don't have the marker yet.

Speaker 2:
[37:37] Okay, so like coming soon. This is Dave Smith. Like a vinyl banner?

Speaker 1:
[37:43] Is this a vinyl banner that you get made and it's like a temporary reconstruction? We're under construction. Don't worry about it. Dave is coming.

Speaker 2:
[37:51] No, it's a sizzle reel of his life or her life. And it's like coming soon. This homie is going to be resting here. So like get your popcorn ready.

Speaker 1:
[38:00] Listen, I do think you cannot phone in your gravestone. If you are going to be in a cemetery, even if it's not your body, but it is your like marker that people are going to come see. Because I don't know, for those who are not in the deep south, we do love in May, we love in May go into the cemeteries of our dead. And if there's a church, if it's a church cemetery, they're going to have a supper and it's going to be a potluck supper on the May day that you're supposed to go see your dead relatives. Like that's a very normal thing here. I don't know if that's normal everywhere else. Let us know how you celebrate your dead. But we do it with a banana pudding and a hash brown casserole and a pot roast, okay?

Speaker 2:
[38:45] No, you're not wrong because this, it's weird to hear people really embrace.

Speaker 1:
[38:49] It's called decoration, for those who will need to know it's called, because that's when you take flowers to the grave.

Speaker 2:
[38:54] Yeah, you got to dress them up a little bit. But like this level of thoughtfulness and like let's plan ahead. I feel like we really kind of push down preparing for the afterwards of like just the people who are still going to be around, like trustee, like all that stuff, like your will and everything and especially so like your literal grave zone. So that's interesting. In Appalachia, it's a very different thing. You are taught to celebrate it. And like my algorithm has been feeding me Appalachian funerals and cemeteries recently. I don't know what that's about. But it's a different vibe altogether.

Speaker 1:
[39:28] Listen, everybody, every one of my friends has planned their funeral. Mine is mine in my living will. It says that I want on my, I do want a place where people can come. I'm going to be cremated and I do have different places. I want those ashes spread. I also thought it'd be fun to do a little bit of my ashes in a swag bag. With some Cheez-Its and some ba-ba-ba-ba. You could take it and just go somewhere you love that brought you a lot of joy and you'd dump me there. That'd be fun. But then someone told me, nobody wants a little piece of ashy Jamie at the funeral.

Speaker 2:
[40:00] The problem is people do, but they're not the people you want with your ashes. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1:
[40:04] Well, listen, do you want a $25 gift card to Sephora? Well, you're going to have to take my ashes to get it. So that's all.

Speaker 2:
[40:09] You're going to have to dig it out of the ashes like it's a survivor challenge. I'm sorry. I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 1:
[40:13] That's exactly right. But I want a rotating, like I like this with the QR code, but I think I want an audio component. So I want this to link to a rotating. Here's the thing. I want a rotating audio component where you're going to get, it's like a roulette, a Russian roulette. You don't know what you're going to get. So it might be me telling you what I'm doing in the afterlife. Like it might be a little message from the beyond, but it also might be, hey, this is beef number seven I had when I was living and I'm going to tell you all the details of it. Because I like the idea that people I have a beef with would just stand there for two hours trying to get the rotation of like, did I make the cut? But it would be hundreds, hundreds of clips. And I want Popcast listeners to travel to it so that they can know all the things that were edited. It would be like free Jamie.

Speaker 2:
[40:59] Yeah, you can just free Jamie. She's finally free. Yeah, I do like that. You've been like, hold on. I'm just finishing up an eight way with all the hottest chrisses in the afterlife. I'll be right back to tell you about beach number seven.

Speaker 1:
[41:12] Why choose you guys? Why choose in the afterlife?

Speaker 2:
[41:14] I love the idea of QR codes. I think QR codes are like, it's the technology, like everyone was like segways, that's gonna change the planet and the earth. And it didn't. QR codes, freaking awesome. I feel like they have terrible marketing and publicity, but they're the awesomest technology. And the idea that they're on a gravestone, I think is hilarious. And it could be your sizzle reel. It could be your math accomplishments. That's me falling asleep, but I'm glad that you get to have that. We actually have, like, we live, like, less than 100 yards from a graveyard that is, like, on the land.

Speaker 1:
[41:50] Oh, that's fun. Like, the family, it's family graves?

Speaker 2:
[41:54] Kind of. It was like, the people, like, four owners ago from my family's, like, land, they owned it. And then I think a Native American gentleman died and they just buried him out of respect. So then it became, like, a cemetery.

Speaker 1:
[42:07] And they took from him, yeah? Okay.

Speaker 2:
[42:09] Maybe, maybe. We don't know, maybe he was passing through from other land that was taken from him. But...

Speaker 1:
[42:15] On a Trail of Tears? Is this a Trail of Tears story?

Speaker 2:
[42:18] He's going backwards. He was just, like, reminiscing about the Trail of Tears. I don't know. But so now there's, I don't know, probably two or three dozen headstones.

Speaker 1:
[42:26] Two or three thousand?

Speaker 2:
[42:28] No, no, no, two or three dozen. Two or three dozen, yeah. But, you know, people will come visit and you'll see them and everything. And I'm like, I don't know if I want to be buried there or, I don't want to be buried, I don't want to be cremated, but I've never really thought should I also have a headstone that is like, see now listening to you, I'm like having just gone to the Alcatraz audio tour and just being like, I'm going to pay people and like, unfortunately I'll be like, Jamie, you have to read, you know, here's your lines. You got to read like your part of this.

Speaker 1:
[42:53] I would do it. And I would go to your graystone and I would be like, there I am, we did it.

Speaker 2:
[42:57] Yeah, you just hit the QR code and it's like the time Knox was reading super cool books on Spring Break in front of his teammates' parents in Disney World. He was like, let's listen to this, this is great. Love this. That's good though. That's a good Spring Break trip. Go visit cemetery graveyards. That's just a good period.

Speaker 1:
[43:13] Listen, hey, who doesn't like to be away from home? Even for weird reasons. It's nice, it's nice.

Speaker 2:
[43:19] Good setup for a rom-com movie or TV series you'd watch or no?

Speaker 1:
[43:22] Oh, 100% because I'm doing a meat cute in the graveyard. We're doing a meat cute.

Speaker 2:
[43:27] That's good.

Speaker 1:
[43:27] Because the grave I like the most is Hot Chris's grandfather.

Speaker 2:
[43:33] The old gentleman who gave you the doughnuts, who took care of the cemetery, he's got a hot daughter, son, whatever.

Speaker 1:
[43:40] I'm in the big city and I might move to the small town.

Speaker 2:
[43:43] Just a big city guy with a high-powered job here at the cemetery, just going to see what's up.

Speaker 1:
[43:48] To honor my mother because she wanted me to bring her here.

Speaker 2:
[43:51] That's right. Next up, Candice Wilberg. My family of six used to do a 24-hour drive to Florida every spring break straight through the night. One year, my dad got food poisoning during the road trip, and my mom decided to just keep driving instead of stopping for the night to wait until he got better. Needless to say, I think that's when my siblings and my emetophobia kicked in as we heard my dad vomit into an old coffee can for hours on end.

Speaker 1:
[44:16] Listen, okay, what this is is, I'm going to explain what happened in this situation. This father, father of four, loving father, loving husband, said, we're going to travel every time we go to Florida, we're going to travel through the night.

Speaker 2:
[44:33] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[44:33] And the wife would go, do you think that's why it's like, it's going to mean a lot of stopping for bathrooms. It's really not that expensive to stay at a roadside.

Speaker 2:
[44:44] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[44:45] Motel six.

Speaker 2:
[44:46] Right.

Speaker 1:
[44:46] That way we can shower. It'd be great. He was like, no, this is the most efficient way. So when he got food poisoning, she's like, that's right. And we're not going to stop because I wanted to stop. And you said no. So your dumb ass can sit in the back of the station wagon and vomit into that coffee can while I keep driving to prove a point.

Speaker 2:
[45:07] So it's rubbing the dog's nose in the vomit kind of thing.

Speaker 1:
[45:10] 100%. That's what I-

Speaker 2:
[45:12] I didn't get from this that he's not driving. I got that he's still driving. Or did they switch? The mom start driving.

Speaker 1:
[45:18] I think that's when, so he-

Speaker 2:
[45:20] Mom decided to just keep driving, but I can't tell if that's like, she's the captain of the ship or she's literally doing the driving.

Speaker 1:
[45:26] He's in the back now, sick, because he can't, because he might vomit at any moment and you can't let that person drive. You can't go with the person who's going to vomit, drive.

Speaker 2:
[45:33] Okay, embrace debate, spin zone. If a guy is like, guess what? I'm going to do a 24 hour straight through drive every year. I think he's also the guy who's like, are we going to stack up me vomiting through it? Yeah, I can do that too. Let's go. Because men need a purpose. We used to have Thermopylae or World War II, and now it's like, I'm going to drive all night to Florida from Ohio, I guess. And it's a generational problem. It's a gender problem. But I see him as someone being like, no, I can vomit through this. Because at a certain point, you're just dry heaving. So it's like, what do you... I endorse the decision, you have food poisoning. We're either going to be in a hotel listening to you throw up or we could be making progress. Let's do that. Make progress.

Speaker 1:
[46:19] And I get it. A family of six is hard to fly. Like it's hard. But 24 hours?

Speaker 2:
[46:24] That's insanity.

Speaker 1:
[46:25] You're living in Canada. Why are you driving to Florida?

Speaker 2:
[46:29] Move. Don't live where you live. If you want to go to Florida that bad, that's insane. When Roe was two, we went on a beach trip with some friends, one of whom was pregnant, and she had morning sickness. And we were starting out early. And I was like, I mean, should we wait? And she's like, no, let's just go. I'm going to have it anyway, so let's just go ahead. So periodically through the first part of the trip, she would do like the dry heaving noise, you know, like, and so Roe in his car seat would hear that and mimic it back to her, which when you're sick, the thing you want is a baby like mocking you with this.

Speaker 1:
[47:04] No, I want it. I want it. That's good.

Speaker 2:
[47:09] Okay, next up, Math in the Wild. Currently, on the lamest spring break, teacher of my life, the whole family drove to Banff, Canada on a 12 plus hour road trip to go skiing. On the first morning, I fall and literally break my leg and ankle in four places. Patrol toboggans me down and they give me ketamine to take off my ski boot. And I swear, I had a conversation with my dad, parentheses, who died two weeks ago. Ambulance to the ER, they tell me I need surgery. We think we can make it back to get surgery at home sooner than the hospital can fit me in. So we repack and cram into the car with my seat as far down back as it'll go. Kids squished in the back. I'm wearing an adult diaper just in case. God, the desperation in that line right there. Make it within 90 minutes of being home and we get caught in a snowstorm that shuts down the freeway. Spend the night in a hotel, learn to use crutches in the snow, and make it home the next morning to our septic tank alarm blaring. Literal shit storm. I had surgery yesterday and this is my first morning with my reconstructed ankle. Tell Erin we can be Hulk ankles together.

Speaker 1:
[48:11] Okay, so who is the problem in this story? Because I think it might be math in the wild. I think it acts, because I think the instinct is to go, in the last story, right? It's like the dad is stubborn, men, they're a problem. That's why we picked the bear, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I think in this situation, I feel like a teacher whose on spring break has, you know, desperate for that break, right? Every teacher is like, we already got, you know, the end of school issues, I desperately need to get away. I gotta make the most of this. The idea that you just wouldn't get surgery, wait, maybe what, 24 hours? I get it. You know, Canada doesn't have a timely health care system. Don't at me, Canada. Everybody's got a tax to pay with our health care system. Trust me, I know, okay? But I just want to know how soon was the hospital like, no, it's going to be three days? Because you have fallen on the first morning of what is probably, I'm guessing, a seven day trip.

Speaker 2:
[49:14] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[49:15] So was it longer than a week? There's no way. Let them, why don't you just go to the hospital, set up in the hotel, get yourself more ketamine to find out who that was, get them to come back, talk to your dad for a couple of days, and then have surgery.

Speaker 2:
[49:29] Like, I don't, listen, I, I know this, I know exactly what you would do.

Speaker 1:
[49:34] You would do this very thing. Like you would do this whole thing.

Speaker 2:
[49:37] I don't blame her because like, I, listen, I've gotten served the same, the fact that she's literally on the Spring Break right now makes it incredible.

Speaker 1:
[49:46] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[49:46] But I've gotten the same Banff Canada algorithm, you know, promotion that's like, look at this. It's a big old lake or something. And look at this woods.

Speaker 1:
[49:56] It's gorgeous. It's gorgeous.

Speaker 2:
[49:58] It's incredible. So I get it. The real villain here is skiing because big skiing wants to let you know that big skiing, like skiing is incredible. It's not, it's overrated. Don't do it. But it's almost like she just went to like the blackjack table and made the wrong move every single time. Like just, it's not even her fault. It's just bad luck. Like risking it to go back, you got 90 minutes. You got 90 minutes away and a snow, like every move went the wrong way. And the detail for me, I can't decide if it's having to wear the adult diaper or the septic tank spewing sh** when you get home. I can't decide which one's worse. But I just, I want to say, I know it's math in the wild. I'm assuming a math teacher. There's some A plus writing here because the little side road of, I had a conversation with my dad, parentheses, who died two weeks ago. It's been a year. So you can tell this trip was everything until it turned into the Antichrist, basically.

Speaker 1:
[50:58] Right. And it was like, we are going on this trip because I'm still mourning my dad and all the things. My issue here, though, is, first of all, what are you doing on day, the first morning of skiing? Are you on a black diamond? Have you ever skied before? As someone who has skied many times in her life, it's hard to break your ankle and your leg in four places. If you're not taking some real risks.

Speaker 2:
[51:22] I don't know, when you get into middle age, you just fall weird. I'm not saying we work with someone who fell weird and broke two wrists, you know? But like, I just think the weirdest little thing breaks everything. That's why, again, don't go skiing. It's a young person's game.

Speaker 1:
[51:35] No, yeah, it's a young person's game.

Speaker 2:
[51:36] After 35, you are flirting with God and daring God to break something.

Speaker 1:
[51:41] The other thing in this story is, also, are they just giving out ketamine? I didn't know that that was first responders, that that's our first response. I like that. I'm into that.

Speaker 2:
[51:52] Just like obstacles here. What are we talking about? Is this Elon Musk? Did he rescue you? What's happening right now?

Speaker 1:
[51:57] Also, this is happening right now in the Year of Our Lord, 2026. How do you not know that you are driving? Does no one open the weather app? Does no one? What are you all doing? What are you doing?

Speaker 2:
[52:10] I get the risk though. It's like, hey, we're gonna gamble here. I'd rather do this than, you know, maybe the American culture's done a good job of making us think Canadian health care is terrible. I have no idea what the reality is, but you're scared and you just want to go home and recover in your bed and be with your version of the pit or whatever. And you got real close. You got so close. And then now you're in a La Quinta, wearing an adult diaper, trying to learn how to do crutches. I don't even know the ages of the kids, but I'm praying to God they're not like 3, 4, and 5. Or you could just blast me into the sun.

Speaker 1:
[52:45] No, because you could blast me in the sun because neither of these parents seem to make a decision. I would be honest with you. These don't seem like problem solvers. And that's the comedy of it. You're a math teacher. You're a problem solver by nature. And you're not in your own life. I'll tell you that right now.

Speaker 2:
[52:58] God, if I have to get in a situation where patrol ski patrol has to toboggan me down from a hill, just leave me up there like I'm on Everest and make me a caution, like a discretion.

Speaker 3:
[53:09] They don't bring the body down.

Speaker 1:
[53:11] They never bring the body down.

Speaker 2:
[53:12] Just leave that dead guy.

Speaker 1:
[53:13] And when we go to the grave, and when we go to your grave side on your land, it just says his body is on Mount St. Helens where he was left.

Speaker 2:
[53:21] Scan this QR code to see what sick stuff he was up to before he died. That's unreal.

Speaker 1:
[53:27] The last photo before you died, we'd get to see it. It'd be great.

Speaker 2:
[53:30] I'm so sad for math in the wild, but hopefully they're recovering quickly and well.

Speaker 1:
[53:34] That's right. Speaking of Aaron. We did get Aaron's Spring Break story of choice.

Speaker 2:
[53:40] Aaron's got a uniquely specific one compared to our stories that we thought was best at the end here.

Speaker 1:
[53:44] And Aaron's not with us today because kids have sports and her kid made the states finals in the sport.

Speaker 2:
[53:52] State tennis, not a big deal, but a huge deal. So she's not with us. She's being a tennis mom. She's being like a John McEnroe, verbally abusive to the officials. We love all of it. So best of luck to them. So we'll play this in her absence because she left us one in Slack that we could play. So let's hear from Aaron and her Spring Break memory in Confessional.

Speaker 3:
[54:15] So I once accidentally desecrated the grave of an American soldier on Spring Break. My eighth grade American history class was on a field trip to Washington, DC. And at the time, my uncle had a very fun job. He was a correspondent for the White House Press Corps and he spent a lot of time flying around with the president on Air Force 1. But he happened to be in town during my trip and I thought it might be fun for us to go out to dinner. So he picked me up. He took me to what I thought was the height of class, the now defunct planet Hollywood. And he told me to order anything I wanted on the menu, which I was like, great, give me shrimp fettuccine Alfredo and three 48 ounce virgin strawberry daiquiris. We had a lovely night. He took me to see the Lincoln Memorial all lit up and then he dropped me back at my hotel so I could get some sleep because the next day we had a day trip planned to Arlington, the National Cemetery. The next morning, obviously, I woke up feeling like trash, only compounded by the fact that we were on a charter bus in DC morning traffic. As we moved from one area of the cemetery to another, I felt worse and worse until finally I realized I was in trouble. In the middle of a group of seventh and eighth graders, I was definitely going to puke. So instead of puking on my classmates, my body took over and I leaned over the handrail. And what was formerly shrimp fettuccine Alfredo and three 48-ounce virgin strawberry daiquiris landed all over the final resting place of a great American hero. Our teacher made me go back to the charter bus where I prayed to Jesus to, quote, pass along my apology to the soldier whose grave I puked on, which I feel certain that he did.

Speaker 2:
[55:50] Listen, I love the idea of Jesus being like, all right, knock, knock, knock. Hey, quick thing, man. You're gonna feel this probably, but I did want to pass along. This girl got a little intoxicated with virgin margaritas from Planet Hollywood. You familiar? Oh, you don't know that? Okay, it's a modern innovation. Anyway, she did vomit on your grave. I just felt bad about it.

Speaker 1:
[56:11] Yeah, that white sauce you smell, that's Alfredo. That's Alfredo. That's what you're smelling.

Speaker 2:
[56:17] That's horrifying. And have you ever been to Arlington National Cemetery? Yes, yes, yes. Okay, if you haven't been, it's a very somber place. It's a very serious place.

Speaker 1:
[56:25] It's pristine and somber. Pristine and somber. They take very good care of it. So to that Korean War vet, we are so sorry to you.

Speaker 2:
[56:34] My favorite part, do you know the original Arlington National Cemetery?

Speaker 1:
[56:37] No, was it Civil War?

Speaker 2:
[56:40] Well, it used to be Robert E. Lee's land. And the Union was kind of like, guess what? Sucks to suck. We're going to bury all the people here. So this will never really be your land because you're with the Confederacy, no matter what people want to tell you in retrospect that he was a noble, awesome dude.

Speaker 1:
[56:57] So they couldn't just have a mansion called the Hermitage and we could all just go to it and pretend everything is fine.

Speaker 2:
[57:02] I don't think we'd do something like that, Jamie. I think we're much more discerning. So don't worry about that. Well, that's our conversation on Spring Break Confessionals. I feel like that was cathartic for a lot of people.

Speaker 1:
[57:11] That was, I hope everybody feels better about the fact that they're taking their kids the summer to the cemetery shop. So I hope people feel better about that. We love it. We're very proud of that.

Speaker 2:
[57:22] I do. I mean, now that I know Canada just gives you ketamine, I'm kind of like, should we go to Canada?

Speaker 1:
[57:28] Should I click on that BAMF ad? I might. I should.

Speaker 2:
[57:31] I'm going to check it out. I'm going to check it out. But as always, a few thoughts and opinions on our thoughts and opinions. Please let us know. Knox and jamie.com/sixfiftysix. All right, Jamie, you want to do some lights?

Speaker 1:
[57:41] Let's do some lights.

Speaker 2:
[57:43] What is your red light this week?

Speaker 1:
[57:44] Okay, my red light this week is just full. I can say it with confidence now that the Emily Henry book adaptations are going to suck. Okay, just across the board. Okay, we got for those who don't know, Emily Henry writes very popular contemporary romance books. And by very popular, I mean, she has sold 10 million copies of books. Do you know how old Emily Henry is, Knox?

Speaker 2:
[58:08] Oh, I'm going to. If you hadn't asked me that, I would say like 44. But now that you've asked me, I'm going to say like 36.

Speaker 1:
[58:14] Thirty four, thirty four, 10 million copies. It's fine. So and look, the children, they yearn for romcoms. Okay. And they got the first one. We got People We Meet On Vacation. What I would argue is her worst book. And we got it in Amazon in January. The reviews were middling. It was fine. It was fine. And some of you are like, no, it was good. No, you're desperate for a decent romcom. So you're pretending that it was good. It was not. The male main character, the MMC was played by Tom Blythe, who actually loves an actor. He was horribly miscast. And I was like, but then they announced, they're like, hey, the next one we're making is B-Treat. We're going to use the same screenwriter. I was like, don't love that. And then they were like, that's screenwriter. We're going to let direct it. And I went, oh no. Okay. Well, maybe that will work. So everybody needs their first feature film. I feel good about it. And the first sign of hope was they announced that the female main character, January, this is my favorite Emily Henry book, January is going to be played by Baby Banks, Phoebe Diffner from Bridgerton who played Daphne. She's a great actress. She makes interesting choices and I love this for her. And then they announced last week who was going to play Gus. Gus, a man in my head when I was reading it, which I don't really picture people, we talk about this on Shelf Respect, I don't picture people, I don't cast roles or anything like that.

Speaker 2:
[59:32] Just Gus Severe playing, doing dialogue.

Speaker 1:
[59:34] That's right.

Speaker 2:
[59:34] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[59:35] But to me, he was always hot, he was a hot brown man. I always pictured him as like a Dev Patel. Like that's why I pictured him. And now they announced the casting. There was rumors that it was going to be Fabian Frankel. I'm into that.

Speaker 2:
[59:51] Oh, that's good.

Speaker 1:
[59:51] I'm like, okay, still love that.

Speaker 2:
[59:53] DJ Crescianova.

Speaker 1:
[59:55] That's right, so very sexy. And then they announced that it would be Patrick Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 2:
[60:02] Okay, that's a brown man. That's not a brown man.

Speaker 1:
[60:05] That's not a brown or sexy man. For those who don't know, if you'll remember, he is the whitest white bread person that is acting in Hollywood right now. He was seventh on the call list for The White Lotus Season 3.

Speaker 2:
[60:18] As incesti besti to some of the main characters.

Speaker 1:
[60:21] That's right. Where, spoiler, he has intercourse with the man. Is that gross?

Speaker 2:
[60:24] No.

Speaker 1:
[60:25] What if I told you it was his biological brother? That he knew was his biological brother. Little grosser now, isn't it? Okay? So let's just say this. For those of you waiting on Book Lover's adaptation, you better get ready for Charlie to be played by Knox's favorite actor, Justin Timberlake. I hope you're on board, because they're going to ruin that too. They're going to ruin it.

Speaker 2:
[60:44] I love it for JT. And finally, Justice, when are we going to get the Taylor Swift, Justin Timberlake-led movie project?

Speaker 1:
[60:51] Don't even put it into the universe!

Speaker 2:
[60:53] Take it back!

Speaker 1:
[60:53] Mute that! Mute all of that!

Speaker 2:
[60:55] Is that your Voldemort? Don't speak it! The Dark Lords will be here.

Speaker 1:
[61:00] Again, that's my red light. Knox, what's your red light?

Speaker 2:
[61:05] Is the character described as a hot brown man, or was that just your imagination?

Speaker 1:
[61:10] Listen, it was my imagination, too. But Gus, Gus is a grumpy, like he's a grumpy boyfriend. And he's not our boyfriend. He's just the guy that lives, he's in the house next to her at the beach. And he's not just a single man with four college students staying in his spare room. And he's also writing. And he's kind of this grumpy, and she's a little bit sunshine. Nothing about Patrick Schwarzenegger. The son of Arnold Schwarzenegger says I can play grumpy. Now listen, do I wish them the best? Please let me come back a year from now and be like, I was wrong. But it was great.

Speaker 2:
[61:49] Yeah, he reads, I can see him being like-

Speaker 1:
[61:53] Academic? Does he feel academic to you, Knox?

Speaker 2:
[61:55] No, is the answer to that.

Speaker 1:
[61:56] Because he's an academic. He needs to be an academic.

Speaker 2:
[61:59] It's almost like he reads like a fraternity president, who puts a strong emphasis on paddling and hazing people, right?

Speaker 1:
[62:09] Right. Tradition.

Speaker 2:
[62:10] That's the limitation. Yes, tradition and heritage, not hate, but also very much heritage. I don't get anything academic with him. But again, like you said, maybe we'll be proven wrong. Who knows?

Speaker 1:
[62:24] Maybe so.

Speaker 2:
[62:25] I have some random red lights really quick, just a little smattering. First, I have RIP Patrick Muldoon. He died recently. That's college guy Jeff from Save the Bell, aka the guy who broke up Zach and Kelly.

Speaker 1:
[62:39] He was on Days of Our Lives.

Speaker 2:
[62:40] He was on Days of Our Lives. He was also on Melrose Place, where he memorably played a guy named Richard Hart, which is Dick Hart. He played a guy, named that, and he played it straight and he did a great job. Killed it.

Speaker 1:
[62:51] Killed it.

Speaker 2:
[62:52] So he was a great villainous actor. So RIP to him and his family. Top Gun 3 is in the works. Did you see this announcement? It's happening. It's going.

Speaker 1:
[63:02] I didn't see this announcement. Am I into it a little bit? Maybe?

Speaker 2:
[63:06] So I'm into it. I saw Miles Teller and Glenn Powell are attached.

Speaker 1:
[63:12] Oh, okay.

Speaker 2:
[63:13] But it looks sketchy. It wasn't like IMDb. It was like Screen Rant after like six scroll downs through ads. So I was like, I'm not taking this as the gospel necessarily. I'm excited if that's the case, but I'm also a little worried. Like is this the next big three? Is this Duane Wade, LeBron, Chris Bosh, Tom Cruise, Miles Teller, Glenn Powell? Maybe. It could be interesting. Is this the new Mission Impossible, where we're just going to do this forever and-

Speaker 1:
[63:40] We're just going to have vague countries that we're battling in a vague way?

Speaker 2:
[63:44] Well, I saw there's an emphasis on rumor. There's a rumor that this next one's going to be about like John Hamm's character wants to turn the Air Force over to drones. And Tom Cruise is like, no drone can fly better than a man with like me or something like that. Probably straight dialogue there. Which I'm like-

Speaker 1:
[64:04] They would force him to retire, right? They would not let him fly. He's going to be 70 when this movie comes out.

Speaker 2:
[64:10] I think when he buzzes like the head of the Air Force in the first minute of Top Gun Maverick, you're probably in jail. You're probably in- I mean, we're killing off scientists at an alarming rate that know about UFOs. I feel like if you almost murder the head of an armed forces, you're probably getting killed too.

Speaker 1:
[64:29] Do you think that a little bit Tom Cruise is like, I too like Taylor Swift will not be replaced by young Angenuse. So even though Glenn Powell is beloved and everything he makes people genuinely pretty much like, I will not be replaced by Sabrina Carpenter.

Speaker 2:
[64:48] That's my red light. It's like we feel like it's going to be a handoff, but it's not. Are Moth Teller and Glenn Powell going to have a love interest? Or is it going to be like weird sex scenes that aren't sex scenes with Jennifer Connelly where they just laugh in each other's mouths?

Speaker 1:
[64:59] What if Miles Teller and the other one, Glenn Powell, what if it's like heated rivalry and they're in love and they have a secret affair and Tom Cruise finds out about it?

Speaker 2:
[65:13] I'd be into that. That's interesting. I thought you were going to go like, what if it's an Oedipus complex thing? And Glenn finds out he's Tom Cruise's mother or father or whatever? I don't know. So but I'm just a little worried. And then lastly, I'm a red light to us. Red light to us. Full accountability, full transparency. A couple of weeks ago, and the more you know, we intended to talk about Brian Cox's interview with The Times. And then we ran out of time. And then last week was the other more, you know, and we just forgot about it. So we didn't do it. That's our fault. We should have done better. I'd be remiss if we didn't talk about this because, you know, we, we, all of us, like when celebrities are really honest. And then they also merrily get punished for being honest, because like you shouldn't talk like that about the ballet, which honestly, Shirley, Sarah, that was like six weeks ago. Why are you now throwing haymakers into this race?

Speaker 1:
[66:08] Shirley, I get that you're like now promoting something and you now want to like be like, hey, just so you know.

Speaker 2:
[66:12] Yeah. I stand with ballerinas. Shut up. Nobody cares, nobody asked, okay? Yeah. Get out of here. But Brian Cox gave an interview. If you like Celebrity Honesty, he gave an incredible interview in the Times of London. I don't know what it was like. It's The Times, but it's not America. It's like the UK or whatever. But let me just read. These four paragraphs are short, but he fires off so many strays. He chooses such extreme violence that I would be remiss if we didn't talk about it. So it picks up. But there's also a danger to doing the big franchises, Brian Cox points out. The work is well-paid but un-challenging, repetitive. Cox turned down the role of the governor in the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise, Jonathan Price played him, relieved not to work alongside Johnny Depp, who he has previously said is, quote, so overblown, so overrated. Latterly, that is what Cox has become, or lately, that has become what Cox is known for. When the 79-year-old Scott is discussing the thespian craft, all protocols are suspended. He has in the past in interviews, and now a notorious memoir, stated his preference with King Lear like vigor. Edward Norton, a pain in the ass. Kevin Spacey, a stupid, stupid man. Ian McKelling's acting, not to my taste. He has previously been similarly decided on writers and directors too. Tarantino, meretricious. I don't even know what that means. Michael Caton-Jones, a complete a**hole. David Hare, see you next Tuesday. Love it.

Speaker 1:
[67:28] Said the whole thing. I don't know what it is about saying the whole thing. It's so perfect.

Speaker 2:
[67:32] It's beautiful. This man is a cranky treasure. He must be protected at all costs.

Speaker 1:
[67:37] Listen, because when he's asked about being the voice of McDonald's, which I don't know if you all know he's the voice of McDonald's, he said, listen, I've never struggled with ads. It's a way of earning a living.

Speaker 2:
[67:48] Listen, as a guy who is the voice of Zins on this podcast, which make people uncomfortable, hey, we're trying to pay bills here, guys. Okay. I don't want you to take Zins. We're just trying to cash the check. Okay. I'm going to tell you. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[68:00] We're trying to pay Walla. Do you not want us to pay Walla?

Speaker 2:
[68:03] Yeah. Wow. That's crazy that you don't want us to pay Walla. Walla is a delight.

Speaker 1:
[68:07] Do you not like Massachusetts? What's wrong with you?

Speaker 2:
[68:09] Yeah. That's my red lights. What is your green light this week?

Speaker 1:
[68:13] Okay. First, we have a mutual green light.

Speaker 2:
[68:15] That's right.

Speaker 1:
[68:16] Listen, we have a gift guide, Spring Gift Guide I mentioned at the top. We have so many great businesses that are owned by listeners like you, who support our small business by buying ads in our little gift guide and sharing some of your favorite products that you make for moms, dads, and grads. You can get our gift guide at noxandjamy.com/springgiftguide, the link is in the show notes. But none of our pop culture greenlights are ever sponsored. But in this case, Ode, which is owned by Rachel Greiman, a listener in front of the show, she creates custom. She sells bottles of perfume. I own three of the bottles of perfume I've bought with my own cash money. We don't make any money if you buy perfume from her. But she does a custom sample bag and she customize it. You fill out this survey from what they call fume tenders. So the fume tenders, they figure out what it is that you like. Do you like rose? No, I don't like rose, but I love vanilla, and I love Iris, and I love pink pepper. They create this sample bag for you. They send it to you in a cute little tote. You get these handpicked fragrances and even information about each one. You get a little Ode match book, and then you get a coupon. If you decide to buy any of the bottles of the fragrances that they sent you samples, you get a coupon to use that after you've used up all your samples and decide which one you want, you can use a coupon at their shop. I've had many things shipped to me. I love Mooncake by Denom, House by Zernal Gillie, Annabelle's Birthday Cake by Marissa Zappas. Fantastic products. That's a green light from both of us. Absolutely. We love, Rachel, we love what they're doing at Ode. We love supporting a woman-owned small business, so there's that. But my pop culture green light is Margo's Got Money Troubles on Apple. Listen to me right now. You need to be watching the show because everybody here is going to be nominated for Emmys in the fall. Here's the thing. So this is based on a book by Ruthie Thorpe. I greenlit the book like last year because I read it actually quite late after it came out and I loved it. This is centers on the story of Margo. Margo is in college. Okay, she is just trying to make it through college. She's in an English class. She writes a paper. It's really great. The professor wants to have coffee with her. Her best friend says to her, the only reason a professor would want to have coffee with you is because they want to have sex with you. She's like, that's crazy. Cut to, they're having sex. There is nudity in the show.

Speaker 2:
[70:42] Listen, that's what we got in our living room.

Speaker 1:
[70:45] You don't have to go far. You don't have to go far.

Speaker 2:
[70:48] Younger ones were walking through, so I was like, pause on this. We're going to have to pick up another show probably.

Speaker 1:
[70:52] Because actually, you're going to see Elle Fanning's nipples or faux nipples, because she has pregnancy nipples. Those are not hers. Because I got so familiar with her nipples in the first episode. You're going to know. But her mom is played by Michelle Pfeiffer, Cheyenne. Love it. It's spelled, by the way, S-H-Y-A-N-N-E.

Speaker 2:
[71:15] That's good stuff. That tells me everything I need to know about that character.

Speaker 1:
[71:18] She's a former Hooters Rachel. She now works at Bloomingdale's. Her dad that she has a very limited relationship with is a former professional wrestler who goes by the name Jinx. That's played by Nick Offerman, who is, by episode three, you're going to be like, why is Nick Offerman the best person in the show? Fanning is killing it. Margo ends up having, this is not a spoiler, but she does have sex with her English professor, and ends up pregnant, and decides to keep the baby, and decides to raise the baby. Guess what? 19-year-olds don't always know how to do, raise a baby. And so, she has to, the big concept is, she has to figure out how to support herself, and so she ends up turning to OnlyFans, and having an OnlyFans account. You have to understand, this book has so much heart in it. It's such a niche experience, but you're gonna see yourself in all the characters. Nicole Kidman's gonna show up, which you're not gonna be prepared for. Greg Kinnear plays Cheyenne's current boyfriend, and he is a youth minister at a church, and she is kind of tricking him about, does she drink or not? Is she like salacious? This was lovely. The characters are so well thought out. Elle Fanning, man, that picker. I know you didn't like Sentimental Value. I think Elle Fanning has had the best trajectory for a career. I mean, if you're already nominated for an Oscar in your 20s, like you're doing it. The Great, I loved her in The Great. She's so good in this. So again, this is Margo's Got Money Troubles on Apple. It's eight episodes total. So fantastic.

Speaker 2:
[72:50] I'm excited to pick it up. We were between Margo and then Beef.

Speaker 1:
[72:56] Beef, yes.

Speaker 2:
[72:58] Beef was great. There was some loud F-word arguing. So we had to pause on that too. So it was a very-

Speaker 1:
[73:03] It's tough.

Speaker 2:
[73:04] A very TV entertainment-ly frustrating weekend because of the company we had.

Speaker 1:
[73:13] Because of the children you gave birth to you?

Speaker 2:
[73:15] No, no, no. Just different personalities. Bruce, he's a tender listener. He really responds to TV emotion, so we couldn't-

Speaker 1:
[73:22] Everybody who's- I picked Margo over Beef just because I was like, I want to go something for Light and I know how this goes. But everything I've heard about Beef is that Season 2 is even better than Season 1.

Speaker 2:
[73:32] It starts really good. I really liked it. I really liked it a lot.

Speaker 1:
[73:35] I'm excited to watch it this week.

Speaker 2:
[73:38] Because I couldn't watch either of those, my Greenlight this week is a book. It is Yesteryear by Caro Claire Burke. This was fascinating. We have talked about this on Shelf Respect a couple of different times. I know Erin has read it. So I'll be interested to get her thoughts. She loved it. Yeah, she loved it. It's, gosh, I think it's 4.21 stars on Goodreads, if that gives you any indication. I finished it. I talked Ashley into reading it. She finished it super fast. So basically, before I talk about the story, it's a Good Morning America book club pick. It's a New York Times best seller. I think Anne Hathaway purchased the film rights and is attached to the film adaptation.

Speaker 1:
[74:18] Anne Hathaway just named most beautiful person in the world for People Today.

Speaker 2:
[74:24] Anne Hathaway was?

Speaker 1:
[74:25] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[74:26] I mean.

Speaker 1:
[74:27] Oh, uh-oh.

Speaker 2:
[74:28] No, I don't want to be pushed back. I just, I was like, I don't remember that being a thing. I remember Sexiest Man. I don't remember most beautiful person. Like, I didn't know that that was a-

Speaker 1:
[74:35] I think it's because they were like, but this way we can talk about inner beauty and outer beauty.

Speaker 2:
[74:39] Okay, gotcha.

Speaker 1:
[74:40] But we can really objectify men.

Speaker 2:
[74:42] Again, I want Oscars for plastic surgery because I feel like we should respect-

Speaker 1:
[74:47] Anne Hathaway would also win that. Hers is phenomenal. She would win that.

Speaker 2:
[74:49] Going away.

Speaker 1:
[74:50] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[74:50] That's not shade. That's just like admiration.

Speaker 1:
[74:52] Yeah, no, that's just impressed. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[74:53] Yeah. But she's going to play the main character, Natalie. The story itself is about Natalie, the 32-year-old tradwife influencer with, I think it's like four or 5 million followers on Instagram. She has a charming, humble Idaho farmhouse, a ton of kids and a cowboy husband. And also none of these things are true. Like the kitchen has a hidden microwave. They've got two nannies that they never show on screen. Her husband's heir to a political dynasty is pretty much useless. It's basically like a frontier pioneer fantasy that is optimized for Instagram. But then she wakes up and it's 1855. And she's trying to figure out what's going on, how this has happened. And you're not sure if it's a hoax, if it's a reality show, if it's a test from God. I, there's, uniformly, the reaction to this book is very positive. It's also very polarizing. You either think it's great or you hate it and you really don't like it. And I understand that because I've been on a kick. I've been reading several books about unlikable protagonists.

Speaker 1:
[75:57] Right.

Speaker 2:
[75:57] And so that's interesting. And that's probably a bigger conversation we need to have on Shelf Respect. But there's a part of this book where you're like, I don't know who I'm rooting for. I don't know what this is about. A lot of different groups of people and kinds of people get strays fired at them. To the point where you're like, I just don't know what the ideology of this book is. But I think when they land the plane, there's some plotholes I had some issues with and I was a little like, I don't know how to feel about this and I don't know if they landed the plane or earned this. But it's a great story, super compelling. I read it super fast. I haven't stopped thinking about it. And I feel like that's got to be a good thing. Right. And I think it's saying something. There's a really interesting message about ideology, but also isolation and how these things can work together in a really poisonous way. That shows up at the end in a really poignant way. I don't think it was there as much foregrounded. So I feel like there's a little dissonance you get when you're reading the book. You're like, wait, what? But it's super, it's premise driven and the premise got me and I'm sure the premise got a lot of people. So the only problem there is if you have this really interesting premise and you don't pay it off, like it's the lost problem. If you set up that there's a polar bear and you don't really probably explain why there's a polar bear, people are gonna be mad about that. I think maybe there's a part of that with this book, but it's worth reading. I thought it was really good and really interesting, very conversational.

Speaker 1:
[77:21] The author, this is her debut novel and I followed her on TikTok because she, it's so funny, she's kind of like you as an author. She has hot takes on things in the world, but she hosts a podcast, don't listen to other podcasts, but she hosts a podcast. Then when she was like, I wrote fiction, everybody was like, oh no, it's going to be not good. People were really worried. But I did like that she posted all of her rejections over a decade. Her book was rejected over and over and over again. Then the last picture in the carousel on Instagram was, the New York Public Library has a 10,000 day wait for this book.

Speaker 2:
[77:56] Dang, that's awesome.

Speaker 1:
[77:58] Which is pretty good.

Speaker 2:
[78:00] That's pretty cool. Shouts to her. But check it out. I think it's a really good book, so y'all should do that. Then baby green light, Nick Offerman is reading The Poacher of Wendell Berry on WNYC throughout the month of April. If you want some good ASMR of Nick Offerman and Wendell Berry, it's not very long. It's very short. I linked to it in my newsletter. He does a warning to my readers. I think that's the first one. I think there's a couple more out already. But check it out. It's just good for your soul. So check that out on WNYC. Okay. That's going to do it for this episode of the podcast. I'm afraid go. Remember, anytime you do any shopping on Amazon, make sure to go to amazon.com/shop/cpodcastfirst so that your purchases use our affiliate link. Our favorite item purchase using that link this week was, Jamie, this is a three-in-one tape measure.

Speaker 1:
[78:45] Okay. This is 4.4 stars, but I will say Marilyn gave it two stars because she says it's a tape measure.

Speaker 2:
[78:51] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[78:52] It's not for the hobby woodworker or the DIYer like myself. If you measure a distance of six feet, the digital readout display is 6.003 feet. If you can get past that 0.003, then you're going to be okay. Marilyn, are you okay?

Speaker 2:
[79:09] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[79:10] You okay? I don't think you're okay. Okay. You guys don't forget, go to knoxandjamie.com/springgiftguide. Truly, when I say everybody's talking about it, so many people have said what an amazing gift guide it is. Listen, and it's not because of me and Knox, it's because of our team being amazing as always. There's gifts that you can get for your moms, your dads, your grads, or let's be honest, you, if you just want something because you're like, I can no longer get home from Europe, so I would like to buy myself a bottle of perfume from Ode Perfume in Denver. Again, Ode Perfume, one of our favorite sponsors. I'm Jamie Golden. You can find me on the Internet at JamieBGolden.

Speaker 2:
[79:44] I'm Knox McCoy. You can find me on the socials at Knox McCoy. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time.

Speaker 1:
[79:48] Bye, guys.