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Speaker 1:
[00:00] You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you firsthand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible, from backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society, you've got the privilege of talking to Sean today. Sean is an individual that reached out regarding a lot of things that he has experienced over the years down in the Poconos of Pennsylvania. That area has come up on the show a few times, so listeners will be familiar with that, and you can always follow along with the siting map over at bigfootsocietypodcast.com. Also, Sean is an outdoorsman and a hunter that will come up during the interview as well. But welcome to the show, Sean. How are you doing today, sir?

Speaker 2:
[01:05] I'm doing well. How about yourself today?

Speaker 1:
[01:08] Doing great. It's always a good afternoon when I'm able to talk to people about their Bigfoot encounters, just talk to someone about some stuff that happened out in Mount St. Helens in Washington. And I'm a big fan of the Poconos area too. You guys have some wild, wild stuff that's going on. But I know that we have multiple things to talk about today, Sean. But before we get into it, is there anything else that the listeners might need to know about you for context before we get going?

Speaker 2:
[01:41] The biggest thing is I'm an avid deer hunter. I'm a big time outdoorsman. So I'm out when I'm not at work. I'm always outside doing something. We live on the bottom of the Appalachian Trail. So I'm always up there scouting for deer, scouting for animals, watching wildlife. So just that's a little bit about me, why I've had so many experiences, because I'm just always outside.

Speaker 1:
[02:08] Gotcha. How many years do you think you've been a hunter for?

Speaker 2:
[02:13] I've been hunting since I've been 16. So about 20 years.

Speaker 1:
[02:17] Okay. Very good. Very good. So you are well aware, I would imagine, of what should be in those woods and what should not be in those woods. You know, the sounds, all that good stuff.

Speaker 2:
[02:28] Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[02:29] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2:
[02:29] I can, even when it comes to deer hunting, there's times where I haven't heard a buck, but I smell the buck, because when they're in the rut, they're spraying, and I could smell that urine smell. I know when they're coming through, I've gotten bucked that way, just because that was time to be quiet.

Speaker 1:
[02:47] So yeah, you're definitely aware of what's going on out there. Sean, why was it, why did you feel it was important to contact about what you've experienced over the years?

Speaker 2:
[03:00] I just want to be heard. My big thing is I want awareness out there. I've seen this type of stuff for years that's going on. Like I said, I live now, we were living in sunny before, we live in the bottom, in the Pocono Mountains. There's a lot of doubt that's out there when there shouldn't be doubt for this type of stuff. I know what's going on with Ohio. A lot of people are seeing that. I've been seeing this type of stuff for years. It's just getting more prevalent. My big thing is I just want awareness. I want people to learn to respect everything and just have the best knowledge possible.

Speaker 1:
[03:37] I think that is a solid reason to come forward, Sean. So I want to make sure you have the time to share your experiences. And we may be discussing some of these as we go along, but feel free to take us back to where we decided to be best to go through this chronologically. So feel free to take us back to the first instance where you experienced something that was out of the ordinary.

Speaker 2:
[04:06] So the first time I've ever experienced it, so just a little background about our property, is my driveway is about a quarter mile, if not a little bit longer to the road. That's how far back we are in the woods. So I've always grown up in this property. This is my grandparents' property. I now own it. In the poor process of buying it, I live with them. This time I had to be 11 or 12 years old. They said, you want to go down for the mail. I said, yeah, I'll walk down. So I walked down the driveway, the back road that we're at. There's nobody that really goes back there. The biggest thing that I've noticed that time was I heard something walking, and this was in the middle of the summer, just around, I'd say midday. Going back that far, I can't really remember exact time. But walking through and smelling wet dog almost. And as I was walking through, I can hear there's a thicket to the right of me, about 40 to 50 yards in, I can hear something walking through and brushing through. I would take a couple steps and it would take a couple steps. I would stop, it would stop. That was the first time I've ever experienced something out of the ordinary and trying to figure out what it was. I didn't see anything that time at all. But it was just interesting because even when I did get down to the mail and start walking back, the same thing would cut and walk through. The one part of our property, when it's about halfway through the driveway down, you bear to the right and that's separating the woods then. So that's when I kind of lost it. Because I didn't really want to walk up the yard because I didn't know what it was at the time. I'm like, eh, it's kind of strange for me to know this. So I didn't know if it was a bear. I didn't know if it was a dog. But how it sounded was extremely heavy walking. That was the first time I've ever noticed anything out of the ordinary or perceived anything, I should say, was back then.

Speaker 1:
[06:07] Would you say, was this around just after like early 2000s then?

Speaker 2:
[06:14] Yeah, yeah, because I was born in the early 90s. So this was probably, I'd say about 2002, 2003. That's when I was back here the most.

Speaker 1:
[06:24] Okay, gotcha. And, you know, you mentioned your grandparents there. So did they ever have any stories about like, oh yeah, we don't go into this part of the property or careful or, you know, something will get you out there? Did anything come up that would kind of clue you in that something was going on in that property?

Speaker 2:
[06:48] My grandparents are always big into being very safe, no matter what you're doing. They've never, I should say, my grandmother's never brought up about this type of stuff at all. She's very, just close, I want to say, what's in front of her is what she sees, that's all she knows type personality. So she's always big. There's big times where I was deer hunting and I was in the middle of, there's a mama bear behind me and two cubs to the other side and I'm standing between them. So there's, she's always had the bear fear more than anything. Now my grandfather, on the other hand, she grew up in a town, more of a city though, about 20 minutes from here. My grandfather was born in these woods and he's been raised back here. He's the one that's more, yeah. And back in the day, we weren't allowed to go up here because there are stories that kids went missing. He goes about 50 years before I was back there. He was born in the mid 40s. And he just said that he's always had that weird fear of walking way up in the top. Because behind my house is an old train reservoir, and it's an old train tracks that go through it. So that's the railroad bed. So you're going to hear that a lot. Today's the railroad bed.

Speaker 1:
[08:01] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[08:02] Because that's what we walked through. And when you go a certain section back, everything's always just quiet back there.

Speaker 1:
[08:12] Okay, that's really interesting. Are there any other details you've noticed when it gets quiet back there, ways that it might affect you physically or in other ways?

Speaker 2:
[08:27] Anxiety. That's the biggest thing. We have back here, I would say, any, especially when it comes to frogs, we have so many frogs back here. When it's like right now, it's still in the 50s. Let's say today, it's a little bit warmer. But every night, you hear it now, you start hearing to come and come out and chirp in as well as the insects. There's birds are always going. But when everything gets quiet, I know something's up. Because I can be out there. I'll be up front. I'm an avid, because I hunt. I like to shoot. I like to target practice. I've shot already for about two minutes, three minutes. The birds stop, but then they start right back up again. Like that doesn't really affect them. But when it's almost like there's a predator that's just staying around, that's when they stay quiet. And that can last for an hour, hour and a half to two hours at times.

Speaker 1:
[09:23] Oh, wow. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[09:24] And I've noticed that, oh, deer hunting.

Speaker 1:
[09:27] Gotcha.

Speaker 2:
[09:27] And the big thing is that feeling of being watched.

Speaker 1:
[09:31] Okay. So feeling of being watched, high anxiety and everything gets really quiet. Yeah. I've experienced that as well. It is pretty wild stuff. So you have the first experience when you're 11 to 12 years old. And then what would you say would be the next thing that happened to you?

Speaker 2:
[09:55] So I would say probably within that year, my cousin, I have family that live in another state down south, and they came up to visit. They're all outdoorsmen as well. And my cousin and I decided one night, our biggest thing is we always loved to, you know, we're kids, we like to be scared. So we walked up and started walking the railroad bed in the middle of the night. He got the, like, just a small little thing about it. He thought, like, the scariest thing happened that night is because he went around a tree and a squirrel jumped on him. There was a, we have Northern Flying Squirrels here, and one just went on him. He's like, he screamed that one. But as soon as he screamed, we heard something dark. And it was heavy, and it was probably about 40, 50 yards away from us. We didn't have our flashlights on because we didn't want to scare any deer. We were trying to go quiet. We stood still. We stayed there for about 45 minutes to an hour. Because we're like, is this a bear?

Speaker 1:
[10:56] What is this?

Speaker 2:
[10:57] We're young, he's a little older than I am. And we can hear the footprints or the footsteps coming back. And as they're coming back, I said, let's give it a few minutes. I whispered to him, I said, let's just see maybe something will walk up to us. Maybe it's deer, maybe it's... He's like, no, that sounds almost like a big guy walking. And then I started listening, I'm like, yeah, that's kind of true. That does sound like that. So we didn't even have our flashlights on at this time. So we're sitting back, we're sitting near some stumps, we're sitting on the edge of the railroad bed, and we kind of see a mass just walking up to us from the moonlight. And it stops, and it just kind of almost disappeared at that point. So we sat there for another, say, five, ten minutes just sitting there, trying to see if it moved. And I said to him, I said, you have your flashlight on? He said, yeah. I said, let's shine it over there, and just point at the area, see what we can see. Maybe it just left, maybe we didn't hear it run off. I don't know. When we shined our light, there's a couple of trees that are together, and we can see about seven, eight foot tall was a body standing behind it, and we can see an arm sticking around the side. This is the first time I've ever seen one. It had to be 15, 20 yards away from us, and that's when I noticed the smell was the same smell that I smelled before. And when we shined our lights, we were like, oh my, and we just froze. And it was probably about, I'd say, two, three minutes, and this figure just stood there. And we didn't see the face, we didn't see anything. The only thing that we did see, again, was the arm standing on the side. And all of a sudden, then I said, let's start backing up. And I said, okay. I said, don't turn your back on it. Just back it up and keep the lights on it. He's like, all right, let's do that. So we backed up maybe 10, 15 yards. One of us at a time would turn our head around that way. You know, we don't want to trip over anything. And as we're backing up, we got about that 10, 15-yard step back from it. All of a sudden, we saw the arm raise up a little bit. And like, the hand kind of grasped the tree. And it just bent over and just peered around and looked at us. Then the head, I'd say, was about a foot and a half long, a two-foot long, had a cone head. It was just huge, eyes staring at us. And it didn't curl its teeth. It didn't do anything like that. It just kind of like just stared at like out of curiosity and watched us. And it can only have like the shadow. Like, you know, when there's an outline of the flashlight, the top part, that's kind of where it was on the face. And we put like, I lifted up my flashlight and I said, lift yours up, let's put on the face and see. And as soon as we did that, kind of like tucked quick behind a tree again then.

Speaker 1:
[13:55] Wow, and this happened when you were between 11 to 12 years old?

Speaker 2:
[13:59] Yeah, maybe 13th in that ballpark.

Speaker 1:
[14:02] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[14:04] So this was during the summer time. I remember that because my family would always come up to go see some baseball games because they didn't have a team for their state. So they would always come up to our area. So this was in mid-summer.

Speaker 1:
[14:18] Gotcha. Could you, were you able to realize or see anything to do with the color of it or also hair length?

Speaker 2:
[14:30] Hair length, I would say about, I'd say five to six inches all over was hanging on the head a little bit longer. And it was probably a dark, dark brown, almost a black color. But there was no way this like, I knew this was not a bare one. It was a flat face. I know what a bear is, you know what I mean? This wasn't that. I could see the hands. It had opposable thumbs. It wasn't claws. And it was just too smart to be a bear. There was just almost like a presence that was like a new, not like an animal that you since think. This was more like it was just thinking, it was watching, it was very calculative. Like it didn't want to make a wrong move. It didn't run away either.

Speaker 1:
[15:20] Could you tell anything about the muscle structure of what you were looking at?

Speaker 2:
[15:25] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Each arm was, I would say like I got a little bit bigger hands. If I would put my hands now around it, I would say, you know, average size man's hands. I would probably have between my two middle fingers, between each forearm area, it would probably be probably like five inches from my thumb from each other and probably about four to five inches from my middle fingers apart. Like that was probably the girth of the arms. The shoulders were probably, I'd say about four foot wide. And it was just, the legs were the same way, they're just huge. But we had more with that night too, with it. So again, like I was saying to you, like how calculative it was, and like thinking, we decided to just keep walking backwards. And we would do that, and we got back like 50 yards, and it kind of turned around and walked away from us. So we turned around and walked away from it, thinking that, if we start avoiding it and not acting like we know it, it's not going to follow us home. And we were probably good distance away from the house. As soon as we turned around and started walking, we made another 30, 40 yards away from that spot. We can hear it run up at us, and as soon as we turned around to shine our lights, almost like, you know, if you ever run in the woods and you go to stop, you kind of slide a little bit in the leaves, or the gravel and stuff. That's kind of what it sounded like. It did a dead halt, and we could see it like trying to tuck behind stuff as well, and actually laying down on its stomach at one point, because there was no trees there that were standing up, they were falling down, and it was like hiding behind the brush of the trees.

Speaker 1:
[17:07] Oh my goodness. So I want to make sure I get that right. So you were backing up, trying to get away when you turned around and then went going with your back to it, you heard it actually come up behind you?

Speaker 2:
[17:22] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[17:23] How close did it get, do you think?

Speaker 2:
[17:26] Oh, the closest it got to us was about five yards.

Speaker 1:
[17:31] Oh my goodness. What was your emotionally, what were you guys like at that point?

Speaker 2:
[17:38] I was crying being a young kid. My cousin was more trying to take control of the situation because he didn't want anything that really happened to either one of us. We wanted to get home alive. As soon as we started gaming at time, though, and it was at that closest point, I started thinking to myself, I can remember this clear as day, that if this thing wanted to truly kill me and hurt me, it would have. There's no reason why I had to stop. You know what I mean? I was a scrawny kid. I was maybe four foot tall at the most at that point. Now I'm like, I'm a shorter guy. I'm five foot six, but this thing could have easily do. No, just picked us up and took off. It didn't do that. It only kind of acted like it just wanted to watch us. But it came and followed us all the ways back down to the house. And at the time we had a border collie mix outside. And she came right past us. So she was an always just pure outside dog. She was in a run. Some nights when we were out, we would put her, she had a big lead as well. And she was on the lead this night. And we saw her walk in. And it would stay at this point, like 20 yards away from us. And we got closer to the house, kind of like giving it distance. And when we walked up and got close to the house, she was the very friendly dog. She passed now because, you know, she was old. But she ran between us, and actually the chain rubbed up, and actually kind of like made a mark on my leg because of what happened of how she was running. She was showing her teeth, she was growling, she was barking. And at that point, we heard not one, but two different sets of footsteps take off in the back.

Speaker 1:
[19:24] Okay. Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2:
[19:26] So I don't know. So I think there's another one that was following along with it.

Speaker 1:
[19:29] Right, right. Were you, you know, all that time where you had the visual and then you were being followed by it, were you able to hear any sounds that could have been caused by what was following you?

Speaker 2:
[19:47] Just breathing. It was almost like a heavy breathing. And like, it kind of was like, oh, like that. And it'll kind of do that when we would shine the light on its face more than anything. But it tried to stay as quiet as it can. But when it was close, that's when we've really heard the breathing the most. Because we were just, you know, so thinking close to us. It didn't make any weird like screams at us. It didn't do anything like that. It was more like it was trying to be incognito without being incognito. It wasn't doing, it really wasn't doing it well.

Speaker 1:
[20:24] Sure. And then remind me how close it got to the house. So you guys get back to the house. How close to the house did it get?

Speaker 2:
[20:37] I would say we were about 10 yards from the house when my dog ran past, and it was probably another 20 yards in the woods.

Speaker 1:
[20:44] Okay. Man, that's extremely intense. I can't imagine. I mean, how did your cousin react to this?

Speaker 2:
[20:58] So he, like I said, he's from another state. He's an active outdoorsman. When we and him started talking up about this at like the next morning, because we didn't really talk about it, we wanted to get back in and go to sleep and just kind of get away from everything and decompress because we're just terrified of what happened. He told me this is the second or third time this happened, that it's happened more than once to him at his house too. And like another state, they own a bunch of property. They would go out and they would be followed as well.

Speaker 1:
[21:31] Did you tell anyone about what had happened or was it a while before you shared it outside the Tokyo?

Speaker 2:
[21:39] I told my parents the next morning. And my parents were... That was probably just some guy following you. No, this wasn't a guy. I can tell the guy, no, this was just a guy. There's people that walk back there all the time. I'm like, no, this was not a guy. Like I know what a guy looks like. A guy doesn't look like this. There's not hair all over a man. They don't really believe in anything, my mom and dad, regarding this stuff. They don't, they've never seen anything. So they explain things to them. They're not for it. They've had experiences though, that I'm like, this is what this is. And they're like, no, no, it can't be. It has to be something else. We just don't know what it is. So that's my parents dealing with it. Like they're very close minded towards it, which is a shame. Because we've had friends, like my parents, close friends that were here, they've seen stuff, they've noticed stuff, they brought it up to like, we're now believers to this stuff, because of basically a night with Sean.

Speaker 1:
[22:42] Oh, wow. That is wild, man. So this night with your cousin, you're 11 to 12 years old, how did this start? I mean, it must have affected you from there on out.

Speaker 2:
[22:59] It started with, that started with my obsession at that point then.

Speaker 1:
[23:02] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[23:04] Because growing up, before that, I've only ever thought that there was only like, my mindset was always like, it could be out there, it could be real. But growing up, I never thought that it was like a full species of animal or whatever you want to say it is, of creature. I always thought it was just like, oh, it's just a legend of Bigfoot, that there's only one out there. This was the one missing link. Like, in my young mind, that's all I can comprehend. So we had an old gateway computer back then. And I remember pulling it up, reading every day, just reading stuff, Googling stuff. I would get in trouble in school because we were in a computer club supposed to be typing, our computer class, and learn to type in I'm instead on Google or ask Jeeves, whatever it was back then, trying to, or Yahoo questions and trying to find stuff.

Speaker 1:
[23:58] Gotcha. So it really started to take your focus for sure. So after that, what do you think the next thing that happened to you was?

Speaker 2:
[24:14] I would say it was probably another year or two. My cousin came back, about two years it was, when my cousin came back, and we wanted to do the same thing and see if we can still see it again that night. We did. And we walked up, and we didn't have anything the next year. But the following year after that, we walked up, and we went to the spot, and we said, this is the spot where we're going to stay here. I'm like, I have a feeling it's coming out. He's like, yeah, it's coming out. We sat there for two, maybe three hours. We went up, we started around 11, the night we walked up and waited, and nothing. But when we walked back, this is the first time I ever heard a scream and a wood knock. Because we started walking, and when we were coming back down, there's an old train reservoir back there, and we can hear something drinking in the train reservoir. So he's like, oh, what's that? He's like, I have no idea. So we're trying to see what it is. We're trying to shine. Half of it is covered by fallen trees. And this was taking place in the fallen tree area. So my cousin picked up a rock and started throwing a rock in there, and they picked up another one and started throwing it. And I don't know if he hit it. I don't know what. But when he started throwing, that was we were throwing towards the right. To the left of us is when we heard the knock. And we're like, okay, that's weird. So we kind of sat there for a few minutes, and then we're like, well, let's go walk over there and see what's over there. Maybe you're scared. Maybe you could see footprints. And as soon as we started walking over to the right towards it, that's when we heard it scream at us.

Speaker 1:
[25:55] Okay, so that's a new experience for you. Have you ever heard anything that comes close to the scream you heard that night?

Speaker 2:
[26:05] Oh, lately, yeah, in the past few years, I've heard, we hear it in the middle of the night. The big thing that, big time actually, when we hear it lately, is we're over rammed coyotes.

Speaker 1:
[26:19] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[26:19] So we have so many coyotes, and there's always something in the coyote bunch that's going, and we'll hear that going along with it. And then we've seen coyotes coming up at us, and all of a sudden, the coyotes, you know, you have six or seven coyotes running through your woods. We've seen them, all of a sudden, they don't notice us, they're looking at something else. They go to a dead stop. Their tails are between their legs, acting terrified, and they kick off running. And that's when we hear the scream. Because what we try to wipe them out, we have pigs, we have chickens, we have goats. We have a small farm on our property. And we've had animals go missing already. So we try to, you know, population, especially the coyotes, I don't want the deer herd to get killed either. So we kind of are out there all the time, even at night now for coyote hunting. And that's when we'll hear is we'll see, we've seen them twice. This happened is where they're running up. They're chasing up at something. And also you just see them turn around and they're just acting like the scaredest thing. And that's when we'll hear the scream. With the vipin and everything. Another time that we've heard it, it sounded like it was almost going along with it and mimicking it, which is kind of funny. But I can't first say, like, can't 100 percent say that was the Bigfoot that doing that. That could have been just another group of coyotes, but it didn't clearly sound like coyotes. It sounded a little bit different.

Speaker 1:
[27:46] Gotcha. Okay. Very, very interesting. When so how did you guys react when, let's say, you had that scream come towards you? Did that affect you guys in any certain ways?

Speaker 2:
[28:00] Yeah, we were like, let's just get out of here.

Speaker 1:
[28:01] Yeah, right. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[28:03] And then because it sounded like that scream was an anger scream. So it was sounded like we pissed it off. So I don't know if I can like my cousin when he threw the rock, I don't know if he hit it. Because we were throwing it right in that area and trying to flush something else. So I don't know if it was just trying to scare us away. I mean, I'm sure that's what it was doing, is trying to scare us away. Because again, like before, if it wanted to get us, we're on the side of the mountain having to go through sticks and small trees going down us. We can't really run through that at night. Or we have to kind of walk and we can hurry, but we can't run. So if this wanted to get us, it could have got us.

Speaker 1:
[28:41] Right.

Speaker 2:
[28:41] And my thought is just trying to push us out.

Speaker 1:
[28:44] That's what I had in mind, too, when I heard your first story. Well, the one with you guys being pretty much followed out of an area, it almost felt like it was maybe trying to get you away from that area and make sure you go all the way out of it. But who knows, really. But, and sorry, this was up by that same train area that had been talked about?

Speaker 2:
[29:14] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[29:14] Okay. Okay. So definitely a lot of stuff happening up there. So, okay. So you get screamed at, you, the wood knock, it is kind of an interesting, just the fact that there is a throw, a stone thrown at, at whatever was out there, that's kind of, it'd be interesting to see if that affects things later in your story as well. But feel free to continue with, with what you had experienced next.

Speaker 2:
[29:48] So me and my cousin, we took steps back, we started walking back home. We went, we kind of hurried, because again, I don't know if this is, I want to kill you, get over here, type scream or just get out of here, scream and regardless, I wanted to listen and just get away, because I don't want to push animals. And we started walking away. But when we were going back, we heard, like, I would say, probably about five to six different footsteps. Walking behind us, walking to the side of us, and one walking to, if I'm looking straight at my house, where we were, my house like towards it, on railroad bed, my house would be down to the left. This was down up on the right of the railroad bed, up in front of us. And we can hear him kind of like pushing. It felt like we were being herded out of there. Like, that's the best way to describe it. And when we got back to the house, again, they got about 40, 50 yards away from the house, and they just got dead silent, but we kept walking inside. This night now, the dog was in the basement, because during the day, we had a thunderstorm, and she was terrified of any loud noises. Like, we couldn't shoot. During hunting season, we had a special area for her in the basement, because she would just jump her fence, she would just get out and leave. She was in there, so there was nothing off of her that night.

Speaker 1:
[31:32] What would you say, maybe there's a side question I want to ask here, and it might seem pretty obvious, but, because you are close to the Appalachian Trail, right? But then, so half of me wants to say, okay, is there any chance that these could be hikers, but you yourself said you saw a large, hairy creature in your flashlight beam when you were 11 to 12 years old. So, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[32:03] And now these, these weren't hikers, because the railroad bed where it goes through our property is probably 100 yards, 150 yards past our house that we have to walk up to. This might be, they're coming down on our property all my life, every tree, we have no trespassing signs, no trespassing signs, no trespassing signs. The other part of that is where this railroad bed is, it's right next to the Appalachian Trail, but it's not part of the Appalachian Trail. So there is a spot where hikers can go. If you went and drove over probably like a mile away from my house, there's actually a hiking spot where people can sleep in, and they have like well water there. But there's no way without them walking through private property to get to this spot and how these things are going.

Speaker 1:
[32:54] Okay, got it. And we kind of had a conversation before the show where this part of the country, you don't want to be trespassing because you will pay for it potentially dearly.

Speaker 2:
[33:09] Absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[33:10] Not to say that it would be from you guys, but there could be certain areas in this area where you trespass on it, you could pay very dearly from landowners.

Speaker 2:
[33:21] Absolutely. There's a lot of people that are here that we have ex, I don't want to say what they are because I don't want to come across them because I'm not this way, but retired officers we have back here. And they're very big into my family safety. They're very big into our safety, our well-beings of everybody. We have, like I said, we have a few back here. We have a couple of neighbors, as I was talking, that aren't the best people before. Me and those neighbor, like the good, the cops, the retired officers, we're very cool with each other. We're very big into, if I walk over on your property, I'm going to send you a text message.

Speaker 1:
[34:06] Right.

Speaker 2:
[34:07] And it's the same thing. We're very respectful with each other. But if there's anybody else, no, no. You don't want people back here.

Speaker 1:
[34:17] Yeah, I think that's a good thing to bring up in this conversation. So you have, there's footsteps all around you on the way back to the home. And then, would that be the end of that particular encounter then?

Speaker 2:
[34:39] That one, yes.

Speaker 1:
[34:39] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[34:40] And again, we had, I don't know if I mentioned this, but we had that same smell when we were getting close back, the house of that like, wet dog.

Speaker 1:
[34:48] Got it. Wet dog smell. Okay. So then at this point, you are, I would say, what, about 14 to 15 years old?

Speaker 2:
[34:59] About that.

Speaker 1:
[35:00] Okay. Got you. And so you are starting, you know, you're getting out of junior high, getting into high school. And so would you say that from the beginning, when you first started realizing, or you're 11 to 12 years old, were you, do you feel like you were really aware of the gravity of what was going on here? Did that start to come to light as you became older?

Speaker 2:
[35:30] Oh yeah, absolutely. Like, and I think back and going back, that there's always been small, weird things that's happened. And it's just one of those things like, you know, I'm outside playing with my sister, where I might say six or seven or eight or nine, like, you know, young in the front yard. And like I said, everything goes quiet. Could have that been something watching us? Like, it's maybe not, maybe it is. I can't really say definite what it is, but there's just like small, weird things like that. Like, is this all tied that, is there a big population here that we don't know of either?

Speaker 1:
[36:12] Sure, sure. If that is definitely something to think about, I'm sure you have caves in the area as well.

Speaker 2:
[36:19] Absolutely. We have one cave that nobody goes to. Everybody's actually kind of terrified of it, and it's not for this, but it's every year you will see. We have about, I'd say, he's close to 600 pounds, but a big black bear.

Speaker 1:
[36:37] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[36:38] And he has his one that he goes and he hibernates in there. So there's been times where we've walked up there and you can see the rear end of his rear end of him sticking out of it. But so we know kind of like where the caves are. There's a lot back here, but we just, nobody really goes back there, especially during the winter because we don't want to disturb the bears. So next thing that happened was the first year I went deer hunting. I was on our property and I was, my best friend was hunting with me and my dad was hunting with me. My dad was hunting down at the house. My best friend was hunting. There's a valley way up in the woods, up again, the railroad bed. That's the common theme here. And he said he can smell something sour. He said something that turns, something musky. And I said, okay. And he was telling me, my dad this while we're eating at the diner. And my dad's like, I don't know what it is. He's like, I don't know. He's like, it's almost like a wet dog or something like garbage festering. And we started talking a little bit. And he goes, the weird thing is, as I'm sitting there, he goes, I thought I heard something walking through the brush to the left of me. Because we have a lot of thickets back in here and the deer go through them. There's thickets that are so thick that the deer have to crawl, kind of, and like go underneath on their bellies and go underneath things. Because, but they use this as a safeway channel for deer hunters. Especially when they hear the first shot, deer are smart, they go in there. You have to walk through it to push them out once they get in there. He was saying that, he's like, I hear something through. He goes, I thought I kind of saw, it looked like he goes, a man. But he's like, you should be wearing orange. I said, yeah. I'm like, Terry, he should be wearing orange. He goes, this guy, it looked like he was just wearing almost like a dark gray, almost like a black. He goes, but he goes, I can only see it through thicket and see the shape walking through it. And he said, and I pulled my gun up on it because he goes, maybe I thought it was a bear. He's like, just trying to thank, like, what could this be? And he said, as soon as I pulled my gun up on it, he heard something to the right and he turned and looked over to the right. And he looked back over and that thing was gone then. So I thought that was just a little bit weird. But that was probably the next experience that we've had. I didn't really notice anything except hearing something run past on the other side of the railroad bed, where I can't really see. But it happened right when this happened, like a minute after him.

Speaker 1:
[39:20] Okay. And how old do you think you were at that time?

Speaker 2:
[39:25] 16, 17. This was mid morning. And this was right after, this was the first Saturday in deer season.

Speaker 1:
[39:34] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[39:35] So, end of November, beginning of December.

Speaker 1:
[39:41] Did the interaction start to become different as you started to become... You went from a younger individual to now you're an individual that's in the woods with a weapon that is trying to get the same type of really food that they are probably trying to get themselves.

Speaker 2:
[40:10] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[40:11] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[40:12] And honestly, I've had less negative feelings about it though, since like doing a lot of research growing up as well with it. And being out doing archery, doing rifle, going out with them. I've had an all-year like I've had better experiences with them. I've been knowing now more what to look forward to regarding it. And I seem like we kind of cohab now more than anything.

Speaker 1:
[40:44] And what does that mean exactly?

Speaker 2:
[40:48] So before I think of my cousin throwing the rocks at it, I wouldn't do that now. If I hear something, I'm going to be more respectful to it. I'm not going to try to disturb it or scare it away. Like I've got more respect for these creatures. And I think doing that, they've kind of come to us now. In a way, they come a lot closer now to the house. And I've seen them 15 yards from the house.

Speaker 1:
[41:25] Oh man.

Speaker 2:
[41:26] Just like cutting through. Yeah. But well, and I did have a good hunting story. I think actually that's the one that I emailed you about when we were talking. This was a multiple. When I say multiple, it was three of us. That's all this one. The one individual is no longer with us. That was my friend that just had the last experience. He passed away in 2014. But he was an older guy. He was in his late 60s when he died, but he's been to other countries. He's been to Vietnam. He's a war guy. He's always been out in the woods, just like me. Like me and my dad have a good relationship overall, but he was like my second dad to me. And what happened with this one, my dad was the third witness to it. But he still, to this day, he's like, it can't be that, it had to be something else. But he was out of the three of us, not the one to see it directly. So what happened was, we have an area where the two thickets joined on our property. And I was sitting there because a deer was getting it. There's a drive that was going on, two neighbors away property. So I said, they're going to sneak up here, they're going to cut up through. So I said, my dad sat down near the house at a tree stand. I'm probably another 200, 250 yards off the property. And then my friend's probably another 200, 300 yards away from me, just a little further away from my dad. I was sitting there and I heard, and this happened in 2014. I'm sorry, 2013, this happened. And this is a year before my friend died. And as I'm sitting there, he texted, my dad texted me and said, I think you have a doe coming, I hear something coming up. I said, okay, sounds good. My gun of choice was a, and I'll tell you why I felt this was necessary. But it was a Mossberg 500, which is a 12 gauge. I had a rifle barrel on it, I had a scope on it. I can shoot 100 yards fine with that thing. I've gotten probably about six, seven deer since I've started hunting to this point. Well, I had a big doe that came pushing through and she had to weigh 130, 140 pounds without being dressed like with everything intact. And she was, I know the deer, she was about four or five years old. And when she came out, she wasn't acting right. She was acting that something was right behind her. And I'm like, okay. And I stood up and I went, trying to get her attention because she just wanted to keep bolting, but acted like she didn't know which way to go. And when I did that, she looked at me, but then like, have you ever seen a deer, like something scared the deer? And they just stop and stare and kind of jump a little bit and just like, and do that little foot stomp.

Speaker 1:
[44:31] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:32] She did that, but her head was turned completely away from me. She saw that I was there. I made enough noise that she was there. She stopped. She did exactly what I wanted to, but her focus wasn't on me. It was on something behind her. So I wasn't thinking, well, I thought maybe it's a buck coming through, maybe it's some more deer, and she's just looking. So what I did was I put my gun on her, pulled the trigger, shot. She did four or five steps, and she was down right away. It was a good heart shot. I heard something kind of run away a little bit when I shot. So my dad always taught me, because he's a hunter too, we always go out with a thermos. If we shoot a deer, we at least have, we make ourselves a cup of coffee before we go over to it. That way, make sure it bleeds out. We don't want it to stress. We want it to be as humane as possible. I hate to say hunting, it doesn't really sound humane, you know, going out killing animals, but we try to make it as best as we can for everything. So right away, I had a Twinkie, I opened up my Twinkie, I started pouring my cup of coffee, and I took my first step, and I can hear something stepping through and just crashing through the thicket. And I'm like, what the crap is this? And sure enough, this one was seven, eight foot, about four and a half foot, five foot was its shoulder span, and a reddish dark brown fur comes walking through, and it just stops, stares at me, and that lasted for two minutes. And I'm just holding my shotgun in my hand, I'm refusing to pick up my phone, I have my gun on me, because I'm like, if this thing comes charging at me, I don't want to be holding my phone, I'd rather hold my 12-gauge and just start unloading on it, because my safety is what's concerned. And it took two, three steps towards me, and just like kind of like, almost act like a bluff charge. That's the best way to describe it, like it kept going and like, pushing its shoulders out at me, and like jerking its head and looking at me, and going, like that type of sounds, and just stepping towards me. So I like either this is Hollywood's greatest hoax of a suit that some millionaire in this neck of the woods got to do this, or this is a real Bigfoot. I pulled my gun on it. This is why I said it's important because I had my crosshairs on it. I had it ready to go, ready to shoot finger on the trigger, and it just stopped and it just stared at me and it kept doing it. And I'm like, I don't want to shoot this. I don't want to, because I'm like, I don't know if a 12 gauge at 45 yards is going to kill this thing. If I wound it, if I just wound this thing, I'm in trouble. And it's kind of kept doing this bluff charge for a little bit more. It would take a couple steps and it'd back up, do a couple steps and back up. I kind of just stood my ground gun pointed, ready to go though, just in case I needed to. Eventually, it kind of just often just started staring at me like it just thinking and when I put my gun down and just kept staring at it back. And this lasted, this whole experience was probably, I'd say about 10 minutes. Mind you, my phone's going off. My dad's texting me the entire time trying to figure out, because like I heard you shoot, did you get one? I'm waiting to let you know to tell me to come up. I'm not, and that's, you know, I read the messages after this whole thing happened. This thing turned around. I remember reached down one handed, grabbed the deer by the head, the whole head hand engulfed the deer head. It went around it. It picked it up, threw it over its shoulder, kind of like slung it and looked at me and just did a big grunt. Like, I know who you are type grunt, like this, and then just walked up. And I waited till I was out of the distance just watching. I had my scope on it. I'm watching the thing go up. Next thing I know, my friend texted me. He called me. I'm talking to him on the phone. My dad still hasn't heard anything from me yet. And my friend's like, was that the deer that I just saw this thing carry out? I said, yeah. Yes, it is. And he's like, this thing was huge. I said, yeah. He's like, I didn't know what to do. He's like, I've never thought I'd see this happen. I'm like, I know. I know. And he just goes, the thing looked at me. He said, I looked at him and he goes, I didn't say anything to it. I just kind of looked. He's like, I felt like at that point, he goes, I've been in the Philippines. I've been to Vietnam. I've been, he's been all over the world. And he said, at that point in my life, he goes, I felt like I was an inch tall in the world. He's like, that just kind of blew my mind. He said to see, he goes, I've never experienced that in my life, to see somebody's deer pick up, picked up, thrown over the shoulder or something like that and just being carried off like that. And he goes, this thing knows that it's the boss around here. I said, oh yeah. I said it, I'm like, I'm not fighting this thing. I'm not. I refuse. I would lose to this. So my dad came up, I remember, and he looks at me. And the biggest joke, I've got plenty of deer in my life, but the biggest joke in the family is that I have a terrible shot. And my dad saw the blood pile. He's like, oh, you did a good hit. I said, yeah. And then he goes, where to get off to? I said, you won't believe what happened. He goes, what? I told him. He's like, oh, yeah, that's, you're funny. I said, no, dad, that's what happened. He goes, oh, no, no, not at all. That didn't happen. He's like, and then he got up and he just told me this. I said, no, it didn't. So we walked over. The weird thing he said is he could see where I would probably say about 20 inches and about nine inches wide, maybe 10 inches wide. There was impressions in the dirt from the footsteps of it. But it wasn't anything that we can really take a picture of. Because it was more like just broken leaves into it and pressed in a little bit, and that's about it. But during those whole impressions, that's where the blood trail kept going up. And I walked right up past my friend. My friend told my dad and my dad's like, no, you guys are just nicking my chain. I'm like, no, we're not. So again, this is where I said my dad saw evidence, and he just refuses to believe it. But the fur, again, five, six inches long, arms are huge. The thing probably weighed, my guess is about 800, 900 pounds.

Speaker 1:
[51:24] Okay. Man, this is absolutely incredible. It's unique. It's really unique for at least one fact that I'm noticing. And so I've talked to multiple hunters or heard multiple hunters being interviewed, and they're always like, I couldn't take the shot because I wasn't sure if it was human or not. And but your reason was completely different, is you pretty much didn't want to make it mad and then risk yourself, you know, losing your life.

Speaker 2:
[52:02] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[52:03] Which is incredible.

Speaker 2:
[52:04] Because I have so, like I said, the big joke in the family is I've gotten bucks before my life. I don't have any antler to show it though. All the bucks that I've gotten in my life are, I know the deer, but they're in late season when after they drop their horns. But when I see the rack, I get buck fever, my hands start shaking and I mess up the shot. That's when I get, and so I've learned not to shoot at bucks because I'm like, well, I just don't want to shoot and accidentally wound something either. But that's why they're always making, you have the bad shot. And that's just in my head that I want to have a bad shot on it. But I didn't want to do anything to piss this thing off.

Speaker 1:
[52:48] Yeah, understandable. So when you're staring at it, how far away is it?

Speaker 2:
[52:54] About 45, 50 yards. That's about as far away as the deer was when I shot it. It came right up the same path as the deer did. And I went back the next day, because that was a Saturday, and I went back to Sunday, which at that time we couldn't hunt Pennsylvania on Sundays. So I'm like, I can at least now walk through and I'm not going to disturb any hunters. And I went back through there to kind of see which way it would go through and to see if there was any hair caught. But I didn't see anything. I didn't see any hair. I wanted to try to get hair that way I can at least bring my dad and be like, explain this hair.

Speaker 1:
[53:32] Oh, yeah. And maybe even get attested through the right people.

Speaker 2:
[53:36] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[53:41] Were you able to notice any details about the face or anything when you had that stare down? And I mean, you were looking through the scope with it, correct?

Speaker 2:
[53:53] Yeah. Oh, yeah. The head was, I would say, about two foot tall, like that long. And it was big and wide. It had a big cone head. The eyes were sunken in. The note was pressed down a little bit. And it didn't have a snout. It wasn't growling. It wasn't snarling. It wasn't showing its teeth. It was just staring. And it was almost like when you squint your eyes trying to make out what you are at a distance. Like I could see that. I could see the little, because it didn't really have, around the eyes, it didn't have much fur or hair. But everywhere else on the face, it did. Around the teeth a little bit, it was more shorter. But there wasn't any true bald spots on the animal at all. And again, I can rule this out not being a bear, because of how it picked up the deer, how it walked. Like, I just want to make that known too. And there's no way that I, like, if this was, again, a man in an expensive suit, this was a big, old doe. My dad, during the time, was a weightlifter. Not like anything professional, but he worked out at the gym all the time. He can, he was able to bench press, you know, 200, 300 pounds, 400 pounds at times in his life. This deer, like this size of deer, I've seen him shoot, and it took him two hands to drag it and like two hands to lift it. Not just effortlessly, going down with one hand around the neck and just pulling it up. It's like that's the one big thing that stood out with me. I looked during the time, I like, you know, watched the whole thing. I didn't even see, I don't know if you've ever tried to lift something heavy, you know, when your muscles pop out and your veins come out a little bit.

Speaker 1:
[55:36] Right.

Speaker 2:
[55:36] I didn't notice any struggle with it, struggle with that at all. It was just kind of just like, yep, I do this all the time. I can't pick up almost like a grocery bag. Like the mindset was picking up a grocery bag as we would do and I say, let's go. And that was it.

Speaker 1:
[55:51] Yeah, absolutely. So there are gonna be at least one guy who's probably gonna be like, oh man, so you had your phone right there with you. You know, why didn't you take the photo? But it sounds like you were that concerned for your personal safety that you didn't even want to risk that, is that correct?

Speaker 2:
[56:13] Oh, that's correct. About two weeks later though, that's the next time I had an experience, and I did get a picture of it.

Speaker 1:
[56:26] Oh, okay.

Speaker 2:
[56:29] The next one, I'll be quick, because with everything going on, this is the ones I want to kind of focus on a little bit more. I'm sorry for going through all this time with this. I have a lot to say. But big thing with the next one was we were doing the gear drive. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, it was a week, exactly a week, because it's Saturday's last day for deer hunting. And we were doing a gear drive, and I limited out that year on my tags, except buck. And I decided I'm just going to be the pusher. So I take my gun with me. I just kind of walked through the woods by myself because I just didn't, we had probably about 10 guys walking through the property, and all the joining properties from all the neighbors. So last thing I wanted to do was bring a gun out, see something run, not see somebody standing behind and shoot and accidentally hit that person. You know what I mean? So I saw something get up. I saw something run. Again, seven and a half, eight foot tall. This one is a little bit more slender, and this was more of a dark brown color, not the reddish one as the other one was. And this thing ran through the thicket and actually tore through busting it, and that's the picture that I have. You can see the shape of it running through, but this is probably about a 75, 85-yard shot, or not shot, but, you know, photo shot running through a thicket. And at the time, I didn't even, like, there was no iPhone. I didn't have an iPhone. I just had an old flip phone at the time.

Speaker 1:
[58:09] Is that one that I've seen?

Speaker 2:
[58:14] This was, this would have been one of the ones that I've seen previously, yeah. There wasn't one that got my dear, though.

Speaker 1:
[58:20] I don't think I've seen this photo, right?

Speaker 2:
[58:23] No, I didn't send you any photo.

Speaker 1:
[58:24] Okay, gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 2:
[58:26] I can send it to you, though.

Speaker 1:
[58:27] I would be extremely interested to see it. It does sound really, really interesting.

Speaker 2:
[58:35] Like, you can see it. I kind of, when I had my old phone, I lost the original photo of it. But this one is a second photo, like, kind of almost like a screenshot. But what I did to show people was I made a circle around it, and that's what the photo is. You can see it in the woods, but you can see the circle. There's still, there's a drawn circle around it. That way you can see it and know right where it's at.

Speaker 1:
[59:00] Sure.

Speaker 2:
[59:03] But I'll send that over to you after this is over.

Speaker 1:
[59:05] Okay, thank you.

Speaker 2:
[59:06] But yeah, I mean, I can tell you a couple of more quick ones that just happened, and just kind of jump, because there's nothing that's been huge since then. I've had people, I've had a member of the BFRO come over and investigate.

Speaker 1:
[59:26] Oh, really?

Speaker 2:
[59:29] And I don't know if he wants me to say his name, so I'm not going to say it.

Speaker 1:
[59:33] Yeah, that's not.

Speaker 2:
[59:34] He came through. Yeah, we heard something walking. We were up at the reservoir. Me, him, he had two people with him as well. We heard something he's like, that's bipedal walking around us and circling us. That was in November of 2017 is when he was around here. I've also had somebody through a good friend of mine that is an investigator, and he goes through the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Project. I don't know if you've heard of that on Facebook.

Speaker 1:
[60:04] With Eric Altman, those guys?

Speaker 2:
[60:08] Mary Fabian.

Speaker 1:
[60:09] Yeah, oh, sorry, sorry. You're right, yep, yep, Mary Fabian. Good one. Yeah, she's great.

Speaker 2:
[60:15] Yeah, I've talked to Mary quite a few times. I love Mary, she's nice.

Speaker 1:
[60:18] She's really good.

Speaker 2:
[60:21] So she sent one of her guys out with me, and I saw maybe two from a distance at one time walking through. He said he saw maybe more. I'm walking when we were up again at the bottom of the hill where the reservoir is on the mountain. He said he could see them peeking around like fallen brush. The reason why this was an interesting time though, was this is the one time that our house actually got attacked. And that's why he was here. So, my brother-in-law, sorry about that. I didn't mean to cut you off.

Speaker 1:
[61:01] No, you're good. I just wasn't expecting that. Go right ahead. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[61:06] So, my brother-in-law was deer hunting here. I missed in my life about four years from 2021 to 2024. So 2021, 22, 23, 24, I did not deer hunt because I had a shoulder issue. I'm right-handed. My right shoulder, I had nerve damage. So I couldn't shoot a gun. There's no way I can do anything. I would go out and do a drive for my dad and my brother-in-law, but that's as far as I would do. So my brother-in-law was in a tree stand and I couldn't, I don't do tight, so I wasn't in the tree stand with him, but I was in my house. And he was texting me that he goes, you would never believe what's staring at me right now. And he goes, it's a distance. I tried getting a photo, but it was a blob-squatch. You could just see like a stuff in it. So he's like, he, I don't even know if he has the photo anymore. But he said, the thing's staring at me. And he's like, I'm watching it right now. And it's just staring me down. I'm in a tree stand. And he's like, I don't know what to do. I'm like, yeah, just leave it go. Just watch it. He said, he got at one point where he turned it around because he heard something behind. And he said the one that he saw was probably about eight to eight and a half to nine foot tall. And he would guess probably a thousand pounds is what he said it weighed. He saw another one close to it. He saw four in this one sighting. But the one that was close to it, he thought it was almost like a father, a mother, and then he saw way up at the top of the property, two young ones, maybe about four foot tall. He said at the biggest. And he's like, I didn't know at first. He goes, those were cubs running through. But he said they were running and chasing squirrels way up in the back of the property. And what he did was he pulled his gun on them. He goes, first thing I did was unload my gun. Because he's like, I didn't want to accidentally pull the trigger with it being loaded and shoot something. You know what I mean? So he's like, I don't know what to expect what this was. So he's like, I have a high-powered scope. He goes, I pulled my gun and he goes, I can see him running and they're leaning up a little bit. They're trying to chase squirrels and almost catch squirrels as the squirrels are running. And he said in the second that he did and actually caught, like he's like, I only had it up for me about five seconds. And the bottom of the tree stand got smacked with a rock. And then another rock came and he goes in and missed my head by like eight, nine inches. And he said, and as soon as he looked up, they were all running away and running up to the house. And they grabbed and like almost ran past my house, ran up where the young ones were and they all took off running up the mountain. He's like, it wasn't like a full sprint, like let's get out of here.

Speaker 1:
[63:55] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[63:55] So that was the most interesting one I've ever heard.

Speaker 1:
[64:00] That's really wild. So you're, I mean, that to me, it sounds like they were watching him watch these little ones. And then when they thought he was going to take a shot or something, they're like, okay, we got to, let's warn him or try to take him out. Like, that's wild, dude.

Speaker 2:
[64:19] Yeah. And I said, how big was the rock? Do you have the rock? He brought the rock down, and the rock was bigger than a softball. He's like, that thing had power. He's like, he tried throwing it, and he's a strong guy. And he's like, I couldn't get as fast on the side as this thing could for that distance. He's like, that's how much power. But the interesting thing that night is where we got attacked. He came, he called me, I went down, I walked down to him, and we were walking up. And he's like, again, that same feeling I said in the beginning about the anxiety, we both felt that, we both felt we were being watched. I walked in my house, he walked in, we had dinner, he went home. Around 1130 at night, we heard a crash into the house. And our siding is T111 Wood Siding. I went outside, the whole house shook and we heard it. About nine foot up, maybe about eight foot up, we can see an indent into the wood siding, where it looks like somebody went with a batting ram and just smashed the side of it and pushed it and cracked the wood. And there was footprints right underneath it. So this thing ran, charged, and smashed itself into the house on the side. It woke everybody up in the house. Dogs were going nuts, everything. It was almost like it sounded like an explosion.

Speaker 1:
[65:44] What year was this?

Speaker 2:
[65:48] This was 22.

Speaker 1:
[65:50] Okay. And do you have pictures of that?

Speaker 2:
[65:55] I have pictures of the T111 broken. Wow.

Speaker 1:
[66:00] Oh my goodness. That's so... Man, how did that affect things? That's some serious lines that were crossed.

Speaker 2:
[66:12] Oh yeah. He's been back here hunting since then. He said he saw them at a distance just walking through slowly. He's like, I knew it was them, because he says you'll only see them for a second, but he's like, they weren't walking like a deer, they weren't walking like a bear. It was too big to be a person. And I'm like, did you pull a gun on it? He's like, not at all. I refused to do that again. He's like, because he goes, I think the next one, next rock will be at my head and kill me. And he's got two young kids, now he has two young kids too. My niece and nephew, like they're, the oldest one out of the two is two years old. So he's even more cautious now, like he hunted here two days at my property this past year. And he's like, now he's very, I'm not doing any of the things he has a family.

Speaker 1:
[67:02] Oof, how have things been since that time?

Speaker 2:
[67:09] Oh, it's honestly been, we've never been attacked like that since then. That was the only time there was actually pure aggression like that at the house.

Speaker 1:
[67:22] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[67:24] Yeah, it's now, I had a friend, one of my closest friends with me. Again, we're going, I don't like coyotes. I like them, but I hate them because they're killing everything. I'm finding so many dead deer ripped apart because of these coyotes going through the woods. I know they're coyotes killing these deer and just leaving them and stuff. So we went out deer hunting. This is maybe a month ago, month and a half ago, we went out for the coyotes at night. And as I'm outside, I'm walking up through, he's standing over on the one side where I'm trying to push the coyotes through. And he starts hearing something walking through. He calls me up. He's like, something's walking up to you and it's big. He goes, I couldn't see it. I'm like, okay. I'm like, you know what I'm always saying it is, is like, get right. It's not going to be that at all. And I walk around and he, like Dave, come up to me.

Speaker 1:
[68:24] He was okay.

Speaker 2:
[68:25] I'm like, just walk up to me. I'm like, don't shoot at anything. Because I'm going to just be without my light on. So I'm like, I don't want you hitting me. I don't want you hitting anything. In Pennsylvania, it's open. Like as long as it's not deer season, you can legally hunt for coyotes anytime of the day. So we had red lights. We had everything on us.

Speaker 1:
[69:19] This is a really active area for the East Coast, unless I need to talk to more people from the East Coast. But I mean, I'm just like, Tavinda, continually tell myself that this is not Oregon, or Washington, like this is Pennsylvania, which is crazy, dude.

Speaker 2:
[69:37] So that was that one. I saw it too, run and passed, because he started getting real loud and frantic, and the thing just ran past. I saw that. Last experience we had was Sunday.

Speaker 1:
[69:51] This Sunday.

Speaker 2:
[69:53] This past Sunday. I had a small campfire at my house, bonfire. We have a nice big wood pit and a burning pit here. Everybody was over. We can hear the coyotes going. And I said to my one friend and my other friend, Dave, I said, let's go over to the wood line and see if we can hear anything. He goes, okay. And we walked over and we can hear something by pedal, walking up the wood line. My friend and we can hear it. We listened to it for about three, four minutes. And then this footsteps gets softer, softer. My friend stopped, he picked up a stick and he goes, I want to do a wood knock. He goes, I always see that. And so let's see what happens. So he did a wood knock about 10 seconds, 15 seconds later, we got in at one back.

Speaker 1:
[70:39] My goodness. What is your goal with being on this property? Because it is obvious from listening that, I mean, you are definitely, there's more than one in this area. There's probably a family unit. What is your long-term goal with all this?

Speaker 2:
[71:00] So, the property, for me having the property, honestly, this has been in the family from the 1970s. My grandparents bought it. My dad was raised here and my dad moved out. I'm in the process, like I was saying, I'm trying to buy the house and everything, like working. It's counted as my house. I don't want to get rid of this property. One, because I don't want neighbors. I like to be isolated. Two, I want to be able to do what I want. Three, I love having these experiences and document. I just want them, my main goal with what I'm doing and trying to research or finding, doing things at night still, coming home, looking around, always shining the lights in the wood line, to see something standing there. I just want hard proof. I want hard physical evidence. That way, the jokes that I grew up with, with my family making fun of me, I can be like, I want the apology.

Speaker 1:
[71:59] Sure. Sure. What do you think it will take to get that hard evidence?

Speaker 2:
[72:08] I don't know. For my family, they would have to see it.

Speaker 1:
[72:12] Right.

Speaker 2:
[72:13] I've invited them numerous times to come, do these with me, and they just refuse every single time. My opinion, because again, I know how my family operates. I have two sisters. The youngest one is probably the more open-minded one. She's been in Alaska before, and she's had similar things, like weird figures following her in Alaska, she said. She saw with her husband when they were out there. She's a little bit more open-minded than my other ones, but they would have to be here and see it. They don't want to come because they don't be proved wrong. And that's what it comes down to. They refuse to do it because they said there's no point in it. If we come, nothing's going to happen. If we say, no, something's going to happen, just come along, you'll see something, you're going to start. That's my main goal with them, is for them to believe this and know this is true. I told them, I said, our house wasn't by a sass watch, but our house got attacked probably over a little over a year ago. Maybe almost two years now. Somebody broke on the property and found out that they were robbing from us, and we had to get the cops involved. So the cops came, we had four or five of them here. And I was talking to some of the younger guys that were here, because I knew them over the years, we all grew up here. And I said to the one, aren't you going to go up to the railroad bed and look around? See if you can see this guy that was down here. And he goes to me, he's like, I only have my nine millimeter. What makes you think I'm going to these woods? He goes, especially this, he goes, I don't, he goes, you don't know how many calls we get that something busted and knocked the wall down on the chicken coop. You don't know how many calls we get that. He goes, 400 pound pigs are being picked up and taken out. Or he goes, I've already gotten a call about a mile away from my house. He goes, that a cow's head was twisted backwards.

Speaker 1:
[74:01] No way. Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2:
[74:04] He's like, I don't, he's like, I refuse to go. He goes, I know what it is. I believe it. I've seen it. I've had house calls where they said something was staring at us through the window. And I come and sure enough, there's one I'm walking around. I can see the outline running off. He goes, my nine millimeter. He goes, he'll just get inside its skin a little bit. There's no penetration with them. And he's like, I just refused to go up to the wood. He goes, I'll go up to a little bit where the light on your back porch goes. And he's like, but unless I have all the other cops, guys coming, you coming up with me, he goes, I'm not going up there by myself. So you must think I'm nuts to go up there.

Speaker 1:
[74:45] That is absolutely intense to know that pretty much the law enforcement guys are on on board too with what's going on. They're very aware. Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2:
[75:01] Yeah, I've talked to them. I've had another, like I probably have another, I'd say close to 10 experiences, but I know we're limited today on everything, but I would love to talk to you again about more and keep you up in the loop.

Speaker 1:
[75:17] Yeah, I would say let's definitely keep in the loop and you'll send, hopefully you can send that photo over. Is that one that I could share in the YouTube as well, or is it a kind of a private thing?

Speaker 2:
[75:34] I think you can share it.

Speaker 1:
[75:35] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[75:36] I can send over the T111 and the other one.

Speaker 1:
[75:38] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[75:41] Yeah, absolutely. I have a photo of a face. The issue with the face was when I took it, this was going back in middle of 22. My dog was young at the time, puppy, and when I opened up, something was staring behind the house at us. So it's blends in because it was caught real quick and its head was turning. It's often that to you too, but you can make out where the head was twisting, but it just blends in because movement. And I had to zoom in really far with a camera phone.

Speaker 1:
[76:19] Sure, that makes sense. But yeah, we will definitely need to keep in touch, Sean, and maybe even set something up in the future for you to come back on. So you're able to, I want to make sure you're able to share everything that is happening out there and really continues to happen since the last time. I mean, the last thing you had happen was March 29th, 2026, and recording date is March 31st. So that's pretty wild, dude.

Speaker 2:
[76:50] It's, it's gotten to the point that Dave, my bet, like he's a close friend of mine. He says to me that anytime I come over, I know I'm going to see something.

Speaker 1:
[76:59] Wow. My goodness. Wild stuff. Yeah, definitely. Definitely keep me in the loop.

Speaker 2:
[77:05] Yeah, we'll be.

Speaker 1:
[77:06] Thank you for coming on, on the show, Sean. I appreciate you taking your time. And sharing what you've experienced. And you definitely live in a special area. And I hope you're able to keep that land in your family. It's a very special thing that you guys have it. So.

Speaker 2:
[77:26] Oh yeah. I have me too. Thank you again for having me. Like I said, this is my first time ever being on something like this and I appreciate it.

Speaker 1:
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