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Speaker 1:
[00:03] What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy. Zara Larsson, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Speaker 2:
[00:13] Thanks.

Speaker 1:
[00:14] It is so nice to meet you.

Speaker 2:
[00:15] Nice to meet you.

Speaker 1:
[00:16] I have been really, really looking forward to this.

Speaker 2:
[00:19] Me too.

Speaker 1:
[00:20] Girl, you are having a moment.

Speaker 2:
[00:24] I know, it's so crazy.

Speaker 1:
[00:26] How has the zeer felt for you and how are you handling all the attention?

Speaker 2:
[00:29] No, it feels amazing. Honestly, I've been thinking a lot about it because internally it's so crazy because I've been doing this for ever. And I think a lot of people might just discover me and find out about me. And sometimes, you know, a lot of artists, it seems like they just like pop out of nowhere, but I've really been doing this for my whole entire life. And yeah, internally, it just feels exactly the same. I feel like nothing's really changed for me in my day to day or how I feel when I wake up and what I do. I'm still on tour right now and I've been touring for the past year. So everything feels really normal. I think the only difference or the biggest difference is my interactions on my posts look different and the amounts of likes and comments and shares and even things I say in interviews or things I say today. I think earlier it might have been like, wah, wah, wah, wah, like I just say something but then.

Speaker 1:
[01:29] Yeah, it's like a bigger microscope now.

Speaker 2:
[01:31] Yes, yes.

Speaker 1:
[01:32] That is so interesting because you're talking about how your life, you feel it's been the same but then there's these big moments that, yes, you can pinpoint there. It's like, okay, more people are noticing me. Then we have the Olympics. Alissa Lou skated to Stateside which was everyone's talking about it. What did that mean to you?

Speaker 2:
[01:50] It was so amazing and I knew she was going to do that because she mentioned it in an interview like the day before. Some interview asked her like, what are you going to do for this performance? When I saw it, I just kept watching it. I maybe watched it like five times with my friends. We filmed the first time and I put it on TikTok. But then the more I watched it, the more emotional I felt. Because I think it's also just seeing her looking so in it. Like she's so in her body and she's so free and she looks so joyful. Like that is my vibe. And the way she talks about her sport and why she doesn't and the fact that it just seems to come from this place of true passion and love and not that no one's forcing her to do it or that. It just feels like on her terms. And then she did it to Pink Panthers and my song. It just felt like obviously I will give her all the credit for pushing it up to number one. But being in that moment for me feels bigger than like the charts because I feel like that's like cultural, it's like herstory.

Speaker 1:
[03:06] Literally, truly. It's the Olympics. It's like it's representing of countries in the world.

Speaker 2:
[03:12] No, she just, I'm so excited to have been a part of that because that's iconic.

Speaker 1:
[03:18] Did you get to talk to her at all? Did you guys DM?

Speaker 2:
[03:21] I did, yes. That's actually a very fun part about getting recognized and having more followers and having this celebrity situation. I feel like I can reach out to basically like a lot of people and I know I will probably get an answer.

Speaker 1:
[03:37] Have you been sliding into people's DMs, Zara?

Speaker 2:
[03:39] Yeah, but I do it with like love, like queen, like hey queen.

Speaker 1:
[03:45] Have you gotten any messages back where like I can't believe I'm even DMing with this person casually?

Speaker 2:
[03:50] I reach out to a lot of artists, like a lot of girls. Sometimes just to say like, hey big fan, like love what you do, like queen, keep queening.

Speaker 1:
[04:00] I think you know that they're gonna read it, because you go right to the top, you got that blue check, you're like, hi, it's me, have a good Wednesday.

Speaker 2:
[04:07] Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. But I just said like, thank you so much, that was incredible. You're amazing, like please come to a show.

Speaker 1:
[04:14] She has to. I mean, I feel like this new album and era has been really transformative for you. It almost feels like a reintroduction in a way, and not even just with your music, it's also your style and your image. Like, what inspiration did you pull to create this new world?

Speaker 2:
[04:34] Well, a lot of people, you know, give credit to the dolphin trend on TikTok.

Speaker 1:
[04:39] Girl, girl, we got to talk about it.

Speaker 2:
[04:42] Yes, which honestly, you know, it's I don't think they're wrong. I think subconsciously, when you move through life, you just pick up a bunch of stuff. I can't say with the hand on my heart, like the dolphin was not on the mood board, but you know, it's like it was there. It was a big part of my 2024.

Speaker 1:
[05:06] Can you just quickly, just for anyone who lives under a rock and maybe it's like, no, some people do. What are you guys talking about? The dolphin, what dolphin? Can you explain the dolphin, where they came from and how they essentially impacted your life?

Speaker 2:
[05:20] Yeah, okay. Change your life. Where did they come from? I don't know. I remember one time I was doing a festival, I was in Norway and my friends just this day, particularly I remember because they kept sending me these videos on TikTok. It was just very colorful dolphins. They're jumping out of the water. It's rainbows, it's blue skies. It's like happiness in a picture, vivid. And then that picture paired with the kind of explosive chorus of symphony with a very depressing quote of your life. And I think it's that, what's the word? Juxtaposition? Yes.

Speaker 1:
[06:03] Yes, it is. It's like a big word. It's something so depressing in text to symphony in the background. I just want to be part of this. And it's like so random. And it makes you laugh every single time you see one.

Speaker 2:
[06:18] And that blew up. Because when they sent me those videos, it was like maybe five to ten thousand likes per video. And I was like, whoa, like, why is this becoming a thing? And then from one day to another, it was just everywhere. But yeah, I think like my style and everything from that, the thing is, I did feel like it spoke to me just the image because I have always loved glitter. I love glam. I love the sparkle. I love colors. I love like, whoa, like this, you know, I love that. And I have always felt a little bit, not embarrassed, but like being from Sweden, which is very like minimalistic. It's like clean lines. It's a lot of neutrals, a lot of black, like in fashion. And I've always wanted to be like in fashion because I think music and fashion go so hand in hand. I feel like I had to repress that side of me a little bit and like be fashion. And then it just turned into like a really weird style. And I think this album just allowed me to fully do what I love.

Speaker 1:
[07:25] What you said too with the fashion element is so true to artists, the way that they express themselves and the way that they also differentiate themselves from other artists is through fashion, not just the music. And obviously, your fashion sense has really popped off. And I think people are obsessed with the way that you dress. And I can tell that so much of your creative vision is poured into your fashion. People have called you a mermaid Barbie. Does that resonate?

Speaker 2:
[07:56] I love that.

Speaker 1:
[07:56] You love it.

Speaker 2:
[07:57] I love it. I love it. It's perfect. That's my dream.

Speaker 1:
[08:01] Is that how you would describe your aesthetic?

Speaker 2:
[08:04] Yeah, maybe. Definitely colorful. You know, I love the long hair, especially when I'm on tour, to just like throw it around, have the wind, have the sparkles. Like, I love the show-ness of it. I love that it feels like it's not pedestrian. You know, it's like no, we're putting on a show. And especially this time around, because I'm doing my US run and we have like, maybe the budget is $5. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, it's small. Like, when we booked these venues, like, I didn't know that this was gonna happen. Like, I didn't know I was gonna sit here and talk to you, like, a year ago. I didn't know, like, what would be happening to me. So, we have these, like, amazing, amazing women that I share the stage with in my band and my dancers and me, and that's the show. I mean, we are the show. So, like, the show has to be like the outfits, you know? The light and the hair.

Speaker 1:
[09:02] But that makes sense where it's like people forget that tours are booked so far in advance.

Speaker 2:
[09:06] And so, like, we try to upgrade and it's just it's booked out, like, so far in advance. But I will be back though.

Speaker 1:
[09:12] You will be back. And you know what? Maybe it's fun that it's like this is going to be the most intimate it will ever get because it's like your career is on the rise. Okay, you mentioned you're chronically online.

Speaker 2:
[09:23] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[09:24] Which I remember seeing an interview, you said that your screen time was like 16 hours a day. And I'm like, perfect. She doesn't sleep. No, I don't. What app are you using the most?

Speaker 2:
[09:32] TikTok.

Speaker 1:
[09:34] I figured. What is like taking over your for you page? Like what is, if I was on your phone, what am I seeing?

Speaker 2:
[09:40] No, it's me.

Speaker 1:
[09:42] You're your own biggest fan, I'm obsessed.

Speaker 2:
[09:44] No, but for real, like I try to engage also so much in like what people post and like what they say and I like always like and comment and like engage. So I feel like my algorithm is like, oh, you must like be a really big fan of Zara Larsson. I'm like, yes, like, like, like repost, repost. And then what else is it? But that's the crazy part of it all. You can spend like six hours on that app and then you lay down your phone and you're like, what have I just watched for six hours?

Speaker 1:
[10:15] And then you pick it back up because you're like, I need more. And you're like, what did I even watch?

Speaker 2:
[10:18] The way you scroll and it's like, next video will be amazing. Next video will be amazing. It's that don't buy me much.

Speaker 1:
[10:22] I love how you're saying that and your videos are you.

Speaker 2:
[10:26] Maybe the next one's good.

Speaker 1:
[10:27] I feel like some people, Zara, would be like, whenever people would see themselves on an app, they'd be like, oh my God, quickly scroll, whether they're like, I'm going to be cringe or whatever. You're like, I fucking love myself.

Speaker 2:
[10:39] Yes. But also I think it's like, that's funny you say that actually, because I used to really be like that. I used to not watch anything. I didn't want to watch any performances. I was like, oh, get it away from me. And now I think it's just so in my face a lot of the times. And it truly did come from me wanting to engage with the people who are posting it. But I think also the older I get, I've never actually been a very shameful person. Like everything that I do, I think that's one of my best qualities is that I don't carry a lot of shame. And I think that just allows me to have more fun and like not be so hard on myself and Judd Mantle. Because I really used to be like, every time I would step off stage, it wasn't good enough. It wasn't fun. Like I could have done better. That was embarrassing. Oh, I messed this up. I did. I was just like, everything was like boo.

Speaker 1:
[11:40] What do you think was that turning point for you though? Was it age?

Speaker 2:
[11:44] Perhaps age. I think it was also me really feeling like I, because I've been doing this for so long. It wasn't until quite recently, I felt like I am finally like a part of creating what I do. Because when I started out, I didn't write my music. I didn't really creatively make my shows, my video. I feel like it was just kind of happening around me. And it was happening with, I was always like a part of the decision, the overall decision making. And I got to like, no, I want to do this song. I don't want to do this song. But overall, I think a sense of control that I have now, where it's coming from me, that's when I feel like it represents me. And I feel like I have to plant the seed. I can't just like tend to the garden that somebody else planted. I have to like, this is how I feel. I have to make, like write my music, be a part of the show, be a part of designing like what I wear, be a part, and that just makes me feel like in control, and it makes it so much more fun.

Speaker 1:
[12:53] Right, it's almost like I was thinking about it when you're saying that, saying you don't scroll past yourself, it's because you're fully aware of what you're about to see, because all of the creative you chose, all of your outfits, what you're singing you chose. So you're like, oh, I remember, when I hit that dance move and I liked that moment, where before you're probably like, oh God, why did I do that? I was already feeling itchy about it before I went on stage, because I actually didn't even really know if I wanted to sing that song.

Speaker 2:
[13:19] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[13:29] You sparked a lot of conversation when you said that you finally broke out of the Kia Asylum. First of all, for anyone who does not know what that means, can you explain what the Kia Asylum is?

Speaker 2:
[13:42] I feel like it's a place that... Okay, here we go. It's a place, I don't know how it was started, and it's this institution where, I think it's mostly girls in there, honestly, like the pop girls that have big hits, so they've been charting, like they maybe have billions of streams on their songs, like I have really popular songs, but they have little to no like cultural relevance, I would say, or maybe like an identity. So they have like the songs and people know, can sing along with them, but they might not necessarily know who is singing the song. And I've always kind of struggled with this. I'm like, oh, I've been so aware of it. And I didn't know about like the Kia Asylum or the Kia Asylum before, you know, like five, six, seven years ago, but I've always felt like what is it that, because I feel like I have so much inside of me that people can connect with. Why can't I bridge that gap? Because I've had these amazing songs, but like, what the fuck is happening that makes me not, you know?

Speaker 1:
[14:55] Wait, isn't clicking. In your opinion, now looking back, what do you think was keeping you there?

Speaker 2:
[15:01] I think it was being free in, like sharing myself because I, you know, I've tried the whole like, I wanna be mysterious. There's something very like, like sexy about that, you know? But I'm not a mysterious person. And that's just genuinely not who I am. So with this Midnight Sun, because it felt so much like me, I also felt like just sharing who I am with people and my followers. I think my, like, you know, hardcore fans have always kind of known me and like checked out all my interviews and like all of that. But I think I've also just shared more of myself with my followers and like online. And I think it's, again, I think it's all these small things coming together, like the music, the fashion, the personality, just me being freer, but also more. Yeah, like myself.

Speaker 1:
[16:03] It's like you thought being in the music industry, you're like, maybe I'll just try to be mysterious and look at when you just leaned into yourself. Everyone's like, bitch, we're obsessed.

Speaker 2:
[16:13] But it's also hard. I think like Instagram is like hard because it is so like aesthetic, you know? It's so hard. And I think that's why it's just so much easier to like connect because I don't have to think about. And even sometimes I do want to wear like a black leather jacket. And now I'm like, wait, can I do that? But it's like the duality of a woman. Like I still have it in me. I still have a leather jacket in me.

Speaker 1:
[16:36] I love it. I love it.

Speaker 2:
[16:37] But it's hard, it's hard to like, I think that's also what it is. Actually, now when I think back at it, it's like staying a little bit disciplined because it is me and it is what I love. But it's also like, if you want to create some sort of brand, you have to have the consistency and the discipline.

Speaker 1:
[16:54] You're so right. You said in an interview that people used to call you a flop like 50 times a day.

Speaker 2:
[17:01] I was like, No, listen girl, that's why I had to delete Twitter. I'm like, take care.

Speaker 1:
[17:06] You're like, goodbye. But how did those type of comments affect you when you were reading them and consuming them?

Speaker 2:
[17:13] It's weird because it's this game with my brain. I think reading, it's so strange how I don't think we're meant to read a thousand opinions about ourselves a day, even like over five, like that's a lot. And I think what matters is like what the people around you are saying, right? So having like some sort of social media or platform where people would just kind of say everything and I have to be honest, like, yeah, I searched for my name. I did that. I don't want to see the mention.

Speaker 1:
[17:46] Oh, we know. You want to talk about Wikipedia? Oh, we know you're... How do we... Can we quickly talk about that? Really pivot, sorry. This Wikipedia beef that you have, have we settled it? Have we squashed it?

Speaker 2:
[17:59] They locked the page. They did. No one can come in and edit it anymore.

Speaker 1:
[18:04] And explain the photo to people who haven't seen it.

Speaker 2:
[18:07] It was just an ugly photo of me, and I was like, I don't want that to be the photo. I want it to be a hot photo. And then we tried to change it, and then they kept changing back, and we emailed them, can we just keep this picture? And they were like, well, it has to be by a photographer who have to give up the copyright. And I'm like, yeah, but I took the photo. My friend took the photo, and they were like, what camera? And then we sent this camera, and they were like, send us the full resolution. And we're like, it's just like a small, bad digital.

Speaker 1:
[18:34] Going back and forth with Wikipedia.

Speaker 2:
[18:35] No, like back and forth. I think they didn't believe that I owned the picture. And I was like, no, I had to send them a video. Hey, this is Zara Larsson. I took this photo, my friend took this photo. And they were like, yeah, so the cut, no, girl. It was the whole thing.

Speaker 1:
[18:51] The length that you went to be like, there will be no ugly photo of me. Get this shit out.

Speaker 2:
[18:57] Zara, I'm like, that's the one I want.

Speaker 1:
[19:00] You're like, I want to serve face. Also, I love how of all the photos, you're like, no one even looks at fucking Wikipedia these days, but you're like, my Wikipedia will slay to the gods. And don't you ever forget it. Honestly, I have a lot of respect for that. How many times did you go in and try to change it?

Speaker 2:
[19:15] Oh, like 20. Yes. It was over a period of time. And then when I posted the video, I posted a video on TikTok, I was like, whoever is changing this, like stop it. Like, because I will not give up. I will change it 21 times.

Speaker 1:
[19:30] I'm obsessed. Like every morning you're having your coffee, you're like, here we go. Refresh.

Speaker 2:
[19:35] Yes. Yes, like I will text my friend, Vandala, just be like, you have to change it again. Like it's changed back.

Speaker 1:
[19:41] OK, so you're searching yourself online constantly. You're as deep in as Wikipedia.

Speaker 2:
[19:47] And I think it's, I think it's, like again, a sense of false control of like, what are people saying about me? What are they thinking about me? Because at the end of the day, I'm like an artist, right? Like I have this ego that I have to soothe and I want people to love me and I want people to like what I do. And when I have a bad day, I almost go in and I search for like the good comments gives me a boost and like, yay, you know, it's like, whoo. But then I just kind of look for the bad comments to almost confirm what I feel about myself that day. And it's like, I knew it, I knew it.

Speaker 1:
[20:26] What are some of the negative things that you feel about yourself? Because I feel like people online would look and be like, oh, you want to know what I look up when I want to like get confident? It's a Zara Larsson dancing video of you shaking your ass, looking like the hottest goddess in the world. And then like, so I'm assuming people are like, wait, what do you mean? Like, no, I think it is.

Speaker 2:
[20:45] I think if I have a bad day, I mean, what? The only thing that affects me is, which I guess is true for everyone, the things that affect you is the things that you believe, even a little bit, you know? So because I always, like, I always felt this disconnect with people or like, fuck, I'm in the key asylum, like, I'm really stuck in here, you know, or like, maybe I am a flop or like, what is it that doesn't connect? Like, what am I missing? And like, all those things, I think that affects me more because I've been like, beefing with people online since I was like 14 and I had my blog and I would just, you know, but I used to write a lot about feminism. I used to write a lot about, like, I was out here hating men before it became a thing. Yes, no, truly. And when it comes to me personally, I think, yeah, like when I have a bad day, it just, oh, reinforces what I feel like I already felt.

Speaker 1:
[21:47] Right. Do you look back at the time when there was negativity and when it would get to you before you got yourself out of this asylum, did it impact the way that you felt about releasing music?

Speaker 2:
[21:59] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[22:00] Talk to me about that.

Speaker 2:
[22:01] Well, I think I just cared a lot about what people would think and what people would say. And earlier on, I also, again, I didn't write my stuff. So I felt like since it wasn't really coming from me, my words, I could kind of only lean on other people's opinion. I could know that it's good. I think it's good. But also it was very important for other people to also feel like it was good for me. Because I started, like I got signed at 14. And at that point, you're so young and you're around all these grown ups. And they just, you know, have been in the industry for a really long time and they're very talented. So it's like, we're giving you this song and we're giving you this song. And it wasn't really like an option for me to. Well, I didn't know, like I when you don't know what it is, you don't know. You just don't even know where to start. And I've always kind of I've loved writing. Like I said, I had my blog. I love to like I love to like express myself. But I think also I tried to be in some sessions. And I think there's just this sense of like, like when you're 14, 15, it's hard to truly emotionally connect with someone who is like 40, you know, those are the type of people you're sitting in that room with. Yeah, you feel really small and they're so amazing and incredible. So I just kind of felt like, what do I have to say? Like, you guys know better than I do, when really it's not about that. It's just about like, it's not about who is better. It's like, who can, now I realize like, who can get me the most comfortable so I can be the most myself.

Speaker 1:
[23:45] But even, Zara, I'm thinking too, you referenced, you know, you're a young girl at the time when you started your career. When you would walk into rooms with label executives and producers, you would be the youngest person there.

Speaker 2:
[24:01] Definitely.

Speaker 1:
[24:01] What did that make you feel like?

Speaker 2:
[24:03] Um, it's just always been like that for me. And now, when that's no longer the reality, I'm like, wow, I think I really, really would have benefited from being around people more like my age. But it's really hard to find like, well, the next big, the number one writer, 15 year old, like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1:
[24:30] Like, you're not stacking your studio with 15 year olds.

Speaker 2:
[24:32] Yeah. Yeah. Just like, come hang after school. Who is paying for the studio? None of us have jobs.

Speaker 1:
[24:42] No, I get it. No.

Speaker 2:
[24:43] So it's just always been like that. And the thing is, I used to have my mom with me everywhere.

Speaker 1:
[24:48] OK.

Speaker 2:
[24:48] My mom was with me everywhere, like in every session and every studio. Like she would sit right there. Like she was just with me. And I think that is such a blessing for me. And like thinking back at it, I'm very thankful that she was just there, you know? And I've always felt like the people I started working with were also, because I got signed to an independent label in Sweden called Ten and starting out, it was kind of this 360 deal where they were like managing and record label, which kind of worked in the beginning because it was so small and it was just kind of in Sweden. But they were also with me and I felt like I could really trust them. They always wanted like what was best for me. I've been lucky to have been around good people.

Speaker 1:
[25:38] You go on tour with all these women.

Speaker 2:
[25:40] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[25:41] Since surrounding yourself with women, what difference has that made for you in your career?

Speaker 2:
[25:45] I feel so confident.

Speaker 1:
[25:47] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[25:47] I feel so free in expressing myself. I also feel like for a lot of women, in whatever work they're doing, even on tour, because we're all women on stage, but there's so much happening. Also, a lot of women holding the mics, performing being pop stars, but the producers and the people working backstage, nothing of this would work without people surrounding me or the industry. So I think they always just have to, the classic, work twice as hard to take or to get half the recognition that the men get, and it feels really like they're just so accomplished, and I feel like everyone is being taken seriously and you don't have to prove all the time that you know what you're talking about or that you know what you want. It's so refreshing.

Speaker 1:
[26:51] And I'm curious, since having this success, in your song, State Side, you say, I'm that girl, I've been it. What does it feel like now that you really have people finally recognizing that? Is it a little annoying? Are people coming out of the woodwork?

Speaker 2:
[27:07] I love it. I love it. And this just proved like, oh, I'm the shit. I'm hot right now. That's fun. It just, it says more about like what I'm doing than, and I think, I think, I think actually maybe the opposite for me. I think a lot of my friends, because I'm so bad at staying in contact with my friends. When I travel, just in general, like this really been an issue for me and a lot of my friendships throughout the years, because I'm away a lot. And like the only thing that exists for me, I'm very present. It's this, like whatever's in front of my nose, that exists. But I think almost the opposite, that people might be scared of now, like close friends that I had are a bit like scared of calling me because maybe they don't want to think that I, like that they're calling me because that is going well for me.

Speaker 1:
[28:00] I see.

Speaker 2:
[28:00] So it's almost like the opposite.

Speaker 1:
[28:02] Wait, you're like, girl, call me.

Speaker 2:
[28:03] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[28:04] Let's go. Let's go get dinner.

Speaker 2:
[28:06] Yes. But also like, yeah, I've been, I feel like I am just doing what I do, you know, and that's what makes it so fun and easy. I think this whole era is just, I don't really have to think about like, oh, fuck, what's going to be the next thing? Like, oh, because I just do what I like. And like, I just do what feels right. And that's just who I am at the moment. And then I don't have to overthink what's next so much or what it is. Like, it's just is. And I'm just this. Like, I'm very open. What you see is what you get.

Speaker 1:
[28:39] Okay, let's talk about Tor. First of all, the one note in your song, Midnight Sun, it's like kind of long.

Speaker 2:
[28:46] It's kind of long.

Speaker 1:
[28:47] Do you have to like prep for it? Like, when you do it live, are you like, like, could you bust it out right now? Or do you have to like fully prep for that?

Speaker 2:
[28:58] I could bust it out right now. It's just loud.

Speaker 1:
[29:01] Would you do it for me?

Speaker 2:
[29:02] Wait.

Speaker 1:
[29:03] Wait. Not me fangirling. OK, me pushing my mic way too.

Speaker 2:
[29:10] OK, I think that's the right key. So I do take a breath. That's what I do.

Speaker 1:
[29:14] OK, take a breath.

Speaker 2:
[29:37] I think that was the right key. Maybe it was, I think it was lower.

Speaker 1:
[29:40] If that wasn't the right key.

Speaker 2:
[29:42] Maybe it's up there. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[29:44] I just got tears in my eyes.

Speaker 2:
[29:46] Oh, stop it.

Speaker 1:
[29:46] Wait. No, no, no. I'm not even gassing you up, every single woman in this room right now. Your voice.

Speaker 2:
[29:54] Oh, thanks.

Speaker 1:
[29:56] Getting a little live performance right now. I'm like, I have full chill.

Speaker 2:
[30:00] But you know, I used to do that. I think that was like when I used to go to these record labels to be signed, I will be like, and now I'm going to sing a cappella for you. Like old school shit.

Speaker 1:
[30:12] And then they would just literally with their mouth open and be like, oh shit, she doesn't need any auto-tune.

Speaker 2:
[30:17] I used to sing, I would rather go blind.

Speaker 1:
[30:19] Stop. You like get up on the chair. You're like, are you all ready to be graced with greatness? Sit down.

Speaker 2:
[30:26] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[30:27] Zara, you have an insane voice. Oh my God. You didn't even do a, do you do vocal warmups?

Speaker 2:
[30:33] You just hit it. I literally don't. I feel like the first song of the show, Midnight Sun, that is like my warm up. That'll do it. And then I just get like warmed up throughout the show.

Speaker 1:
[30:47] I'm never gonna get over that. First of all, I've also never had someone sing that loud in the Call Her Daddy studio. And I am, whoa. Okay. You've been touring for like 10 years.

Speaker 2:
[30:59] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[30:59] I'm assuming you have some wild stories, like things that have happened, but okay, you're like no.

Speaker 2:
[31:04] No, I'm doing that face because the craziest thing we do is like throw some candy wraps on the floor in the bus.

Speaker 1:
[31:10] Stop. Okay. What's the craziest thing that's happened on stage? Malfunctions, disasters, people.

Speaker 2:
[31:17] Oh, all the time, all the time. Yeah, but that's just like the showbiz baby. You just gotta suck it up and move on.

Speaker 1:
[31:36] We have something in common.

Speaker 2:
[31:37] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[31:38] We both like edibles.

Speaker 2:
[31:40] Oh yeah. I love that shit.

Speaker 1:
[31:43] What is your favorite kind?

Speaker 2:
[31:45] Ooh.

Speaker 1:
[31:46] Like you don't even-

Speaker 2:
[31:46] Like strain, or like brand?

Speaker 1:
[31:49] Or just like, yeah, like are you more of a sativa girl?

Speaker 2:
[31:52] I'm like a hybrid.

Speaker 1:
[31:53] A hybrid.

Speaker 2:
[31:54] Because sometimes I get scared.

Speaker 1:
[31:57] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[31:57] You know?

Speaker 1:
[31:58] Talk to me about your fears.

Speaker 2:
[31:59] No, but sometimes I get like paranoid.

Speaker 1:
[32:01] Yes, oh, yes.

Speaker 2:
[32:02] Like if I take one, it's like, oh, I'm scared.

Speaker 1:
[32:05] What time of day are you usually?

Speaker 2:
[32:07] Um, always like, always recreational, like no work.

Speaker 1:
[32:14] No work.

Speaker 2:
[32:15] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[32:15] So like you're at...

Speaker 2:
[32:16] So my worst nightmare would be to like have an edible sit in this couch with you and like having to speak for an hour.

Speaker 1:
[32:23] You know what? I am the same exact way. Like if we both were on edibles right now, I would be...

Speaker 2:
[32:29] We would just, we would just, we wouldn't, we would just, knee slap, knee slap, knee slap.

Speaker 1:
[32:35] And we'd be too scared to like say anything. Cause I'd be like, was, did I come off weird? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, was that weird? And you'd be like, no, no, am I being weird? And I'm like, am I sitting weird? What's my posture like? And you'd be like, I don't know where I am.

Speaker 2:
[32:46] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[32:46] Okay. So you're going to do it in private.

Speaker 2:
[32:47] Recreational, with friends. Um, I have done it like twice on tour and it was so fun.

Speaker 1:
[32:56] What? Okay. So it went well.

Speaker 2:
[32:58] It went really well, but it was also like just an opening slot. It was for Tate and it was just 45 minutes. At that point, I was very comfortable in the set, but having done it, I'm like, yeah, I don't think I'm going to do it again because I think it's something, you know, it's for me, it's like giggle and chill with your friends or like, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[33:20] Yeah. No, no, no.

Speaker 2:
[33:21] I, um, I don't understand people that just like smoke crazy and then they go and do a show.

Speaker 1:
[33:27] I'm the same. I like to, I think I thrive my most when I'm alone and I have a little edible.

Speaker 2:
[33:31] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[33:32] I'm not like walking around and going to meetings.

Speaker 2:
[33:34] No.

Speaker 1:
[33:34] Couldn't do it. No, no, no. Okay. Speaking of Tate, you opened for Tate McCray.

Speaker 2:
[33:38] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[33:39] What was the most fun part of that tour? Wow.

Speaker 2:
[33:43] I mean, the whole experience was really so incredible for me. And I knew it was going to be amazing before we went on. First of all, because she's incredible, her fans are so fun. And I feel like it was just the perfect match. So I knew that this was going to be like one of the first stepping stones of what I was trying to do with Midnight Sun. I mean, it was right, I think my album released on the last day of the tour. So it was like a perfect setup because I really haven't toured that much in the US or like America in general. And the most fun part, I mean, obviously, to do the show every night, which was still like a 45 minute. So I got to give them like a good chunk of what I do and who I am. And just the way it was received, I just could never have guessed like how much it was going to do for me because they really felt like maybe it was just my for you, Paige, because that's all it is. Just me, me, me.

Speaker 1:
[34:50] You're like, they were loving me, Alex, okay? I was thriving on that tour. Me, me, me.

Speaker 2:
[34:56] I was thriving. But I saw so many videos from it and people engaging with it. And even though I don't have Twitter, I have my friend Vandala. Sometimes she sends me like the hit tweets of the week. And people were really, really positive. And I think also the story of it all, I think the lore, people love an underdog, and people love to root for someone who they feel like is like on the come up a little bit. And I think because I've been doing it for such a long time, it's like there is so much history to it. And there is so much lore. It's like, this is not like an overnight thing. And people could be like, wow, like she's worked so hard. Like she deserves this. And I think that like adds to it.

Speaker 1:
[35:44] And having two women that are so good at dancing, like you're gonna have a good time that night. And singing, both of you are like insane dancers and singers. So you're like, I'm gonna enjoy it.

Speaker 2:
[35:53] But it was so incredible, because I've been opening for other people before, like Ed Sheeran, Kygo. Yeah, love, love, love, love, love him. I love him. But I think that match was like way better. And I've never had, it was like, it was like a lot of people who came to see the opening, which I didn't feel was the vibe for the other people that I've opened for.

Speaker 1:
[36:22] The girlies were out.

Speaker 2:
[36:22] The girlies were out. And they were like, they came to see it. So that was so much fun.

Speaker 1:
[36:27] I know that you had written in an Instagram post, you kind of called out, even though so many, like you're saying the comments were so positive, the vibes were so positive. It was strange seeing people put you against each other, which is so sad because it's like kind of expected, which is like, why do like, why is that even the case? What was going on that you think was creating that dynamic?

Speaker 2:
[36:49] What was going on? I think, well, first of all, I've been doing this for longer. I'm older. And maybe some people felt like I deserve to be in the arena. I'm like, well, buy the ticket then. That's not Tate's fault. You know what I mean? I haven't toured. For me, this was an amazing opportunity. I think it's just like the nature of how people speak about girls in pop. Again, like coming back to the fucking Kia asylum, like no one's being put in there except for the pop girls. You know, is this culture around, which I sometimes think it's very interesting. It could be fun because people are very like engaged in pop girls. The girls of pop are kind of pop culture, at least in my world. But then I think we are similar in the sense that we both dance, although she's a way better dancer. And I like, I do pop, she does pop. I think it's like, and I think again, it's easier to root for someone who is like an underdog. You know, because once you, and I kind of always said this, like once you start getting haters, that's when you know you're like that bitch. Yes.

Speaker 1:
[38:07] No, it is so true. It's like, I remember Taylor Swift's line. It's like, they want to see you rise, but they do not want to see you rain.

Speaker 2:
[38:13] No, no, at all.

Speaker 1:
[38:14] It's like they love the come up.

Speaker 2:
[38:15] Totally.

Speaker 1:
[38:16] And then the minute you're there, they're like, what the fuck are you doing there?

Speaker 2:
[38:18] And obviously, Tate is like massive. She had this sold out arena tour. Like I'm on her tour, like opening for her. So she's this very successful girl. And I think it's just, we're both talented. But I think people are like, why is Zara opening for Tate? Well, it's not really about talent. It's about the me being put in front of a crowd where I haven't been before. So I think it's just, it's like too easy for people to compare us, even though we are, we're similar, but we're very different. And I don't think that was fun at all for her. We haven't spoken about it much, but I think as a human being, like her being so hardworking and talented, and just seeing this fucking random Swedish girl come on her tour and be like, the fuck? You know what I mean? But I did tell her that. I was like, I am on your tour. She is incredible. And also being on that tour, I personally have so much respect for the way she works, and how hard she works, and the fact that everyone was so lovely. And I think that says a lot about the artist, because I definitely do think it trickles down. Like, if you have a good boss, she's the boss. She's the one employing all of these hundreds of people. If you have a good head, that makes the whole experience good. And it really was like down to the crew, the dancers, the drivers, like the truck drivers were incredible. And I think it's just a classic like also a little bit of misogyny or like it can't be two girls being good, you know.

Speaker 1:
[40:07] It's so crazy. Have you had the ability, and you don't need to name names, to talk to anyone in the industry about this, like, problem that all of the pop girlies have of just like comparison and everyone pitting you guys against each other?

Speaker 2:
[40:23] Hmm, not really, because I don't really go out. But like in DMs and that, I think I could definitely, because this is something that we're all aware of. Of course, we exist in the universe, you know. We see things that everyone else is seeing on their timeline. We're just people with phones at the end of the day. And I think everyone can relate to it somehow. And, you know, who knows? In the future, maybe Karma comes back around and I have a really great girl opening for me. And everyone's like, what the fuck? Like she's, you know, boo, yay, boo. Like, it's just crazy the way it is. And I think I just know that I... But I love all the girls. I really do. And I think most of the people do. I think it's like a cheap shot of putting someone up by putting someone else down. It's like, you can actually just say, wow, that was incredible. You don't have to put someone else down because of it.

Speaker 1:
[41:33] Something I was thinking about with your album is the Girls Girl song.

Speaker 2:
[41:39] It's funny you say that, because I have something to say about that too, on the remix.

Speaker 1:
[41:43] Do you want to say it now?

Speaker 2:
[41:44] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[41:44] Okay, let's do it. You're like, Anne, shut up, I have a statement. Sit back, relax and enjoy.

Speaker 2:
[41:48] Girls Girl, it's funny because I did take that song and I turned it into what happens when a Girls Girl, like I want to be a Girls Girl, but what happens when a Girls Girl wants the spotlight? Because there's only room for one girl, apparently. So we all have to have this like be nice and friendly, which is the reality of it all. And this is at the end of the day, just a song, but just to like, okay, but it's that weirdness in the industry, but also like, that's how I choose to twist it, to make it a little different and fun.

Speaker 1:
[42:24] Oh, I like that.

Speaker 2:
[42:25] It's gonna be really fun.

Speaker 1:
[42:26] Because the original is, it's about realizing you have feelings for your friend's boyfriend, and you said that this was inspired by real events at the time. What is the story?

Speaker 2:
[42:37] It was inspired. It definitely wasn't like the truth. And I think, I just love the song. I love a little story. Like, let's get messy in the story.

Speaker 1:
[42:47] Back to the vlog days.

Speaker 2:
[42:49] Yes, I used to be so messy as a teenager. I really, and now I'm a granny. But as 16, I just like, oh girl. And we were celebrating New Year's. And yeah, one of my best friends' boyfriend, he just like, he was flirting with me all night. And I was really interested in his friend. So we were at this party. And by the end of the night, you know, I don't know what it's like for you guys, but in Europe at 16, that's like, you've been drinking for about four years at this point.

Speaker 1:
[43:29] Not so much. Well, it depends in the US where you grow up. But yeah.

Speaker 2:
[43:32] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[43:32] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[43:33] So I was like, oh, I was picking up my jacket. Everyone was already downstairs. We were going somewhere else. And yeah, he just kind of like started kissing me. And I just kissed him back because I was messy like that. And I was 16 and really drunk. And like I the fucked up thing about this, though, was that the girl who who who we had had the party at, she filmed this and I didn't know. So before I got the chance to tell my friend what happened the next day, she had already got the video sent to her. Yeah. So that that was like really messy. But then. But the truth is, I wasn't really like in love with him or interested in him. It was this weird, unforgivable mistake that happened. But obviously seeing it, it just she just cut me off. And all my friends just cut me off. And I was just like a floating piece of trash in the universe. Zara.

Speaker 1:
[44:39] No.

Speaker 2:
[44:40] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[44:40] A video?

Speaker 2:
[44:41] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[44:41] What was her reaction?

Speaker 2:
[44:43] I don't know because she didn't speak to me for like four years. Like she cut me off. But she meant that shit. And I had like clothes, you know, she had clothes at my place. And my mom was like, I can come and pick it up. And she was like, her mom was like, no, we can mail it.

Speaker 1:
[45:00] Like how far did you guys live from each other? Like 10 minutes? You're like, mail it, bitch. No. When did you guys ever finally talk?

Speaker 2:
[45:07] Yes. Yes. And now it's okay. And everyone's like on good terms. And yeah, it was one of it was one of my worst mistakes in life. Like it truly was at 16. I just, if I could take it back, I would so, so, so bad. But I also have to like forgive myself for it because again, this is more than 10 years ago now. And I was just really stupid and messy. And also I found out that I can't drink. Like I just can't because I always do really like my morals and my just sense of self, like it just goes out the window. And now I just stick to the edibles.

Speaker 1:
[45:48] I was gonna say, and then enter edibles. That's when you were like, we're gonna stick to that.

Speaker 2:
[45:51] Yes, truly.

Speaker 1:
[45:53] How has your idea of Girls Girl evolved over the years as you've become a woman?

Speaker 2:
[46:01] I think Girls Girl is what I'm trying now when I'm like a boss. I feel like I can employ women, you know, I can put like money in their pockets and I can make sure to uplift and amplify their voices or and again in the studio like I want to ride with other women, I want to produce with other women, I want to create with other women and I, I, you know, just take women very seriously because I think we're so amazing and capable.

Speaker 1:
[46:46] There was an interesting article about you recently that I wanted to get your opinion on this quote. They said, There's nothing about Zara Larsson's public persona that shows any interest in capturing the validation or attention of straight men. I love that. Is this an accurate statement?

Speaker 2:
[47:01] I think the older I get, which I do think comes with age a little bit, I think I, cause I used to be heavy male centered. Even if I didn't wanna like admit to it, I think even in like having relationships or making sure that I felt like validated and loved by like a man. And it didn't have to be like people outside of my relationship, but even so, that was still important to really feel desired by men. I think now, maybe it's like you turn 25 and like your brain develop, but like hitting status return, like grow, just growing up, just literally your brain develops. I think I focus so, so, so little on that right now.

Speaker 1:
[47:43] How have you like really managed to de-center men from your life? Can you give the girls listening like a little go-to guide?

Speaker 2:
[47:49] No, I only want to impress like the mean 13-year-old girls. You know what I mean? Like that's who I want to impress.

Speaker 1:
[47:57] So real.

Speaker 2:
[47:58] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[47:58] They're looking at your outfit.

Speaker 2:
[48:00] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1:
[48:01] It's cute. You're like, I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight.

Speaker 2:
[48:05] No, I think it's, I used to crave that so much. I don't know if it's like a classic, you know, my, like my dad, but like my dad, like not, and I love my dad and my dad loves me, but he was away a lot.

Speaker 1:
[48:23] You're like, we got to go back to the origin story. It's always the dad. What's the relationship with the dad? I wanted my dad's attention. So I wanted other men's attention.

Speaker 2:
[48:32] Exactly. But I think now also maybe I hate to say it, but like in my relationship now, I think he has made me realize that I don't need like outside validation because it has to come from within. And how do you find that within? You just, ew, I'm saying corny things on corny things. Like I was going to say you have to love yourself. But it's true.

Speaker 1:
[48:59] The 13 year old are like.

Speaker 2:
[49:00] Yeah, they're like, next. Yeah. No, and like how do you love yourself? I think you have to like have a lot of grace for yourself. You have to surround yourself with people who are like uplifting and non-judgmental.

Speaker 1:
[49:23] No, it's such a good point. It's like the amount of times, and everyone's timeline is going to be different, but the amount of time you have to take at some point in your life to realize, you're going to keep getting a zero to nothing result when you're looking for other people's approval and you're looking for people to validate you. The minute that you are able to source that all within yourself.

Speaker 2:
[49:45] It will always be there.

Speaker 1:
[49:46] Of course.

Speaker 2:
[49:47] But it can't be like the source of it.

Speaker 1:
[49:48] Ever present.

Speaker 2:
[49:49] No.

Speaker 1:
[49:50] Back to your album. I love it because you write about taboo topics. Yes. How have fans reacted to some of these topics?

Speaker 2:
[50:01] I think they're pretty chill, you know? I think at the end of the day, it's songs, but it is a very relatable thing, I think. Having a little crush on someone when you're in a relationship is like, bad, bad, bad. But I've had that, and I think it comes down to, again, like just, it's not even really about that other person that I was interested in, and just, it's just about me wanting to feel desired and wanting to feel like, ooh, you know, wow, I'm so hot. It wasn't even really about them because I've been reading through our text messages afterwards, and I'm like, you're not even funny. Like, I'm the funny one. Like, if we look at it with sober eyes now, I'm like, why am I just like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1:
[50:56] Right. Do you find that in the past? Because I know you're in a relationship over five years, which we're going to get to. But in the past, have you found that within yourself where you're like still lightly looking for to feel desired the minute you're in a relationship? Does the spark go?

Speaker 2:
[51:12] No, I think I've always just, it could come from anywhere. It's not really about the relationship, again, because right now and has been from the start, my boyfriend is fantastic. I love him and I can't not be honest to him because he also, he will just see right through me. He's so patient and he's so understanding. And I think having some sort of crush, like we obviously spoke about it and he could tell like immediately. He's like, so what's going on? You know what I mean? Like, what's up with you?

Speaker 1:
[51:55] How did you handle that?

Speaker 2:
[51:57] You just have to talk about it. It's actually not that it doesn't have to be dramatic. And then you just say how you feel. And he knows, he knows me better almost than I know myself. Because he also knows that we call, actually, saying I'm a woman, but this person that craves this validation, we call her the girl. And sometimes the girl pops out and she wants to, like, roam around town. But the girl is kind of gone now.

Speaker 1:
[52:26] The girl is gone. Because you're a woman now, Zara.

Speaker 2:
[52:28] Yes, yes.

Speaker 1:
[52:29] Wait, and so your boyfriend was like, he was okay. Like, he was like...

Speaker 2:
[52:33] I wanna say okay. I wanna say okay, but...

Speaker 1:
[52:37] You got through it.

Speaker 2:
[52:38] Yeah, like, it wasn't, it wasn't, like, very dramatic. It was just like, what I'm saying, like, he wasn't okay. He wasn't like, it's fine by me, baby. But he was just like, let's have an honest conversation because that's all you can have.

Speaker 1:
[52:51] Have you ever been cheated on?

Speaker 2:
[52:53] Yes, in previous relationships. Like, my first relationship was just... That was so weird.

Speaker 1:
[53:01] How did you find out?

Speaker 2:
[53:01] We were together for, from like, 14 to 18, 19. And we were together for three months. And then he told me like, I'm sorry, I slept with someone at a party. And then our relationship was kind of just like that for the whole of my teenage years. Very traumatic. Like, we were both just really bad for each other. But we didn't have any sort of reference point to like what love is supposed to be. And that like teenage, fiery like hormones everywhere.

Speaker 1:
[53:34] So crazy that time of your life.

Speaker 2:
[53:35] You think it's like passion and really it's just trash. Like so bad.

Speaker 1:
[53:40] It's so crazy at 16, you're like, I'm in love. Yes. This is the love of my life.

Speaker 2:
[53:44] Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1:
[53:45] I'll ruin everything for this person.

Speaker 2:
[53:47] No, literally.

Speaker 1:
[53:48] Babe, you're not okay in the head. I went through that same thing where you're like, what was I thinking?

Speaker 2:
[53:53] What was I thinking?

Speaker 1:
[53:55] And how, what initially attracted you to your boyfriend?

Speaker 2:
[54:00] So we were friends for a really long time before. It was like a friends to lover situation. It was very cute. It was very cute because I've never really had that. I'm a very like, yo, we were fucking on the first date. Like, let's just get it over with. You know what I mean? And I couldn't really do that with him because it just gradually, I mean, he's always kind of been in my friend group, like my bigger friend group, and I've always been in a relationship. So when I broke up with my ex, we were just like out and about with this big friend group. And then we started having like parties at my place. And yeah, just like the later it got, the more people dropped off. And like every day, every week, it would just be like smaller, smaller circle. And we would just hang out. And then all of a sudden it was just like us there. And we were like, and he was like, I don't know, I missed the last train. I'm like, you can take an Uber, but shh. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1:
[54:59] Who made the first move?

Speaker 2:
[55:00] It was so in sync. Like he obviously was very interested and he made sure, you know, you just know, you just know. But I've never looked at him in that way until I did. Like I've never, I was never in the relationship looking at him thinking like, he's always been beautiful, but he's very friendly and he's very like respectful. So I think when I got out of my relationship, we started hanging out, it was just like one day like, wait, yeah, like wait a minute. And then he stayed over and he stayed over for like a week and we just got like closer and closer every night. And it's such a cute story because really, we probably would have like gone down to business earlier.

Speaker 1:
[55:47] So you were really waiting. You're like, we need to talk.

Speaker 2:
[55:50] I'm like, let's wait. But really, I just needed those like.

Speaker 1:
[55:55] I need a couple seconds. Yeah. I need a second. Oh my God.

Speaker 2:
[56:00] So it was really cute. It just like made it really beautiful. And then when it happened, it's just been us since that day. And he's my person. Like he's my best friend and we just have such a fun time. And he's so smart and he gets along really, really well with my friends. My sister loves him. My family, like that's so important to me that my, my, especially my sister and like my friends get along with my man because I didn't really have that before where it felt like you fit into my world and the opposite. But I think it's so, so, so important. And now I just know like, now I feel since the girl is kind of gone, I really do feel like it's just like, that's my person for life. Like we're locked in. I feel so secure. And even now when I'm traveling, we don't have to speak every day all the time. Like that shit's lame. Like, why would you have to? Like, I know you're there and I feel so secure. And he knows I'm here and feels so secure. And I think it's because we've had just always really open and honest conversations. And I think before him, I didn't really have that even with myself. Like I will tell him like, no, it's not that I actually feel like this. And it's like, but is it really like that? Like, what is it really about? And it's like, let's take it from the start. So, and then, and then we'll talk. And then eventually, eventually it's like, well, actually it's not like that. And they're like, it's like, you know? So I think he taught me to be honest with myself, which is actually the hardest part.

Speaker 1:
[57:48] It's so hard because you have to find that person that balances you just right.

Speaker 2:
[57:52] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[57:53] And I feel like also you guys have gone through a lot. I know you posted on TikTok calling out some of the racist comments that people were making towards your boyfriend.

Speaker 2:
[58:01] But he's so, he's like elevated. He's like, he doesn't even live like in his mindset. He's so grounded, but also at the same time, it's like he don't care about anything like that.

Speaker 1:
[58:15] How do you handle that hate though towards someone you love online?

Speaker 2:
[58:18] Yeah, I think that's worse. Because in a way when it's about me, like I can kind of handle it. But he, of course, it's never fun. But I think he just, the way he moves through life, like he's so, he's a very like interesting character. And he just makes me realize too, that even how many hours a day I spend online, like at the end of the day, this is real and like he grounds me a lot. And I think I have these really big dreams and aspirations and goals. And not that he don't have that, but his dream is to like have a family. He's like, my purpose is to be like a dad and be the best dad I can be. And to be like the best friend I can be, the best partner I can be. And everything else is just like cherry on top. And like, but his purpose is not to go look for what I'm looking for. So we're very different. And I think we balance each other a bit. Like he grounds me and like I inspire him with like goals and dreams, because I'm like, what the fuck do you mean? Like you have to like, what do you mean? You don't want to take over the world. And he's like, no, I mean, this, this, this is it. Like this is life for me. Like he will like live on a farm, you know, like grow his plants.

Speaker 1:
[59:44] Like that's super grounded. You're like, let's go.

Speaker 2:
[59:48] Wait, helicopter charge, charge it up. Like, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[59:53] Who's the funny one in the relationship?

Speaker 2:
[59:56] It's me.

Speaker 1:
[59:57] I was going to say, I was like, I will never forget when you posted your foot in a condom. Well, your leg actually in a condom.

Speaker 2:
[60:06] It's my whole leg.

Speaker 1:
[60:06] What can, what happened there?

Speaker 2:
[60:09] I don't know. I feel like it wasn't that big of a deal. I feel like I've seen like so many people do the same thing, but they, cause it was like the Tumblr days, right? And they could only fit like kind of the foot. And then that day we had gone to the youth clinic with like my school, as you do. I don't know if you guys do that here.

Speaker 1:
[60:29] No, but I love that.

Speaker 2:
[60:30] I feel like everyone should. More sexual education for the kids. And then we got a bag. I'm talking like a bag of condoms. And I was like, I'm not going to use all of this because I do it unprotected. No, I'm kidding. No, but kidding. So I had to try it on and it reached all the way up to my knee. And I was like, that's incredible. Like, that's fantastic. So I had to post a picture saying like, if you feel, if you say it doesn't fit, I don't know how big it is, but it's not as big as my leg. Like, let's just be honest. Dude, it was up to your knee. It really was. And I find that quite impressive. But yeah, and it just blew up. It just blew up.

Speaker 1:
[61:14] It just was so funny, too, because I was like, oh my God, has she ever had a guy be like, I can't do that because I'm too big. And you're just like, you have?

Speaker 2:
[61:21] Actually, no, that's a lie. But a lot of my girlfriends have had that. Yes, because I've always been in a relationship, and call them or not, my mom, as soon as they got in a relationship, she was like, I am putting you on birth control. Hello, if you're in a relationship at 15, whatever, you do what you wanna do.

Speaker 1:
[61:39] I'm dead. Okay, so you're the funny one, you're the funny one.

Speaker 2:
[61:43] I would say so.

Speaker 1:
[61:44] I love that.

Speaker 2:
[61:44] I don't think, yeah, he would agree.

Speaker 1:
[61:46] Okay, I know the song Blue Moon is about him. How did you first show that song to him?

Speaker 2:
[61:52] We were actually in Jamaica together, writing it, or I was with my writing crew and he was there. So he was just kind of in the studio as we were writing it.

Speaker 1:
[62:03] Have you written other songs about him?

Speaker 2:
[62:06] Yes, yeah, I have. It's so fun, honestly, because I don't really write a lot about, I don't know if I, I don't make a conscious decision about not writing specifically only about romantic love, but I think a lot of my songs are about other things as well, like Crush or Girls Girl, which is about love, but in a different perspective, even Midnight Sun. That's a good song about my country house. I was just like, I need to write a song about what it feels like on a summer's day in the countryside. But the love songs, yeah, he's gotten a few of those and he'll get some more.

Speaker 1:
[62:48] I feel like obviously your album was such a success, it's been such a success, and now we have the deluxe album coming out. What can you tell us about it?

Speaker 2:
[63:00] I'm so excited about this. I'm so excited.

Speaker 1:
[63:04] We are too.

Speaker 2:
[63:05] It's going to be a fantastic, fantastic. I mean, just for me, I'm just like, I can't believe this is happening because I've always said I wanted to do collabs with girls and it's so many girls on this. So many girls.

Speaker 1:
[63:18] Can you give us any hints?

Speaker 2:
[63:27] What could be a hint?

Speaker 1:
[63:35] Did you get that?

Speaker 2:
[63:36] You got that, I got that.

Speaker 1:
[63:37] We'll zoom in, don't worry. Perfect, thank you. Internet, do your thing. Can you tell us about any of the new songs?

Speaker 2:
[63:45] Yeah, I mean, they are just reproduced and reworked. A lot of them are really amazing new songs. It's like a new way of listening to the album. And it's really fun. I was super inspired by Charli XCX, how she did her album. And I'm like, wait, that's so fun. Because I always think that there's so many ways, even when producing the original song that gets to be put out to the world, usually there's just so many versions of it before that never really gets to see the light of day. Or there's so many ways you can take a production where, like, I don't know, like, it's just so fun to give it another life. And I'm so, I'm just so excited. Like, some of these people on it, I just can't believe it. That's really where I felt like, wow, like, I'm a star. I'm like, wow, you want it to be on my song? It's really incredible.

Speaker 1:
[64:52] I'm so happy for you. Can you share what do you think is your favorite?

Speaker 2:
[64:56] Oof. One of my favorites is Blue Moon. It's so nice. It's so nice.

Speaker 1:
[65:06] I'm so excited for you and so happy for you and just like getting to know you today was so lovely. I feel like we had such, I feel like I've gotten to know you from, yes, that young girl that was hungry and wanted it, but then really I feel like this was about the evolution of you as a woman and coming into your own and yes, you've popped off and so many people are talking about you now, but you've been working at this and it's so well deserved and you've put the work in, you've put the time in and it seems in a beautiful way, you're still being so true to yourself and that to me is what is going to make you continue to stand out to people because it feels really authentic.

Speaker 2:
[65:46] It's the only way that could work in a way. It's just what has to be it.

Speaker 1:
[65:52] It has to be it and it is and that's what it is. And so I'm so excited for everyone to listen to this deluxe album. I'm so happy that we finally got to meet.

Speaker 2:
[66:00] Me too. This is really big for me. Like this is like a really big deal for me. Well, I'm so thank you for having me.

Speaker 1:
[66:06] I am so happy we did this. Thank you for coming on Call Her Daddy.