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Speaker 1:
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[01:11] 92%ers, you might not believe it, but prepping this podcast does in fact take time. Every weekend, we've got hours of highlights and game notes to go through from every game over the weekend and between group chats, slacks. It takes a lot to coordinate all this, right? But with PDF Spaces, the New Heights team can drop files or paste text with all of our notes, links, articles, and then use the AI assistant to generate call outs for the show when recapping all the weekly NFL games to help build out the show rundown. Acrobat Spaces gives us the ability to consolidate all the content from across the internet and lets our team pick only the best stuff to keep in the show.
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Speaker 6:
[01:55] It was a great experience. It was just amazing to be that close to something like that. You know, I just have such respect for athletes.
Speaker 3:
[02:03] It really is a special event that takes place on the national worldwide scale.
Speaker 6:
[02:08] And then you see the smallest thing go wrong and you're just like, it's because the stakes are so high, right? If it wasn't the four year thing, it would be fine, right? I don't know. You know, you're probably gonna lose, right, Travis? But you fucking playing.
Speaker 7:
[02:22] You gotta keep playing.
Speaker 4:
[02:23] You gotta just love it.
Speaker 3:
[02:25] When we're out there, we have 11 other guys on the, or 10 other guys on the field with us going through it together.
Speaker 4:
[02:30] All eyes on them.
Speaker 6:
[02:31] You guys have had that feeling, right?
Speaker 3:
[02:33] I lost a Super Bowl to my brother and it was the worst pain on the planet.
Speaker 7:
[02:37] I wasn't in the play.
Speaker 4:
[02:43] Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, A Wondery Show and we are your hosts. I'm Travis. This is my big brother, Jason Kelce out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Cavs, baby. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[02:55] How about that?
Speaker 4:
[02:57] Jonathan Mitchell, James Harden, man. Yeah. Shout out to the Cavs. Subscribe on YouTube, wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with 1S for fun clips throughout the week. And this is the part of the show where Jason tells us what we have coming up.
Speaker 3:
[03:10] Well, not at you, but says you got another great episode this time brought to you by Liquid IV. It's one of the greatest weeks in the NFL because it's draft week.
Speaker 4:
[03:19] Draft week.
Speaker 3:
[03:21] It's lottery time. Dreams are coming true for everyone. Oh, it's glorious. And if you've been waiting for your chance to see New Heights live, we've also got another great announcement for you. We are going to be announcing that later. Looks like we also have Charlize Theron is here. Awesome. New movie coming out. Talk a little APEX before we get to any of that. Let's get into some of that new news before we do anything.
Speaker 4:
[03:52] We have to have a moment for this slice of brisket.
Speaker 3:
[03:59] Look at this guy right here. Oh, shout out to the cameraman or woman who ever took this photo.
Speaker 4:
[04:08] Who the fuck is this guy?
Speaker 3:
[04:10] Lane and Kelsey Johnson's wedding.
Speaker 4:
[04:12] So good. Shout out to Lane and Kelsey, man, for tying it, man. That's awesome.
Speaker 3:
[04:17] I thought I looked horrendous at this wedding. This photo came out really good. Probably a good angle.
Speaker 4:
[04:25] Where did you get the scarf and the bolo?
Speaker 3:
[04:27] We landed in Nashville. That's where the wedding was. We went from straight from the Masters. You and I were at there and we wanted to get a bolo, me, Bo Allen cowboy hat. We go in there. I didn't love the bolo tie selection. It was OK. And then there was like a one that was it was like just like a little thing with a ring around it. And I was like, oh, like that one looks dope. And they're like, well, that's more for like a scarf. And I was like, oh, maybe I should I do a scarf? And everyone's like, yeah, well, let's see what it looks like. And we got the scarf. I was like, you know what? I'm going to rock it. I don't know. I've never wore a scarf, but I kind of dig it.
Speaker 4:
[05:00] You fucking made this scarf fucking rock, dude. This is awesome.
Speaker 3:
[05:04] It was on for about 30 minutes and then was off.
Speaker 4:
[05:07] But yes, we got to let it breathe. Got to let it breathe in there. Yeah. The Kelsey way it was.
Speaker 3:
[05:12] The look definitely really came together in a way that I was not expecting. Wedding was awesome. It was like a big reunion. So many players, offensive linemen. It was great. It was a tremendous time.
Speaker 4:
[05:23] That's awesome.
Speaker 3:
[05:23] Band was awesome. People were dancing.
Speaker 4:
[05:26] Got to love a good wedding band, man. Fuck.
Speaker 3:
[05:28] It's in the middle of a field like a little ranch. Well, I mean, it was just like a pop up barn in the middle of like some tall grass. They came out of a pasture. They all just kind of like walked down.
Speaker 4:
[05:43] Seriously, it was great. I wouldn't expect anything else from Lane.
Speaker 3:
[05:47] I was like, man, Lane, that's a that's a long walk from the main Lane.
Speaker 4:
[05:50] Shout out to Lane and Kelce, man. It looked amazing up there. And we also got a little bit of Jason Kelce back on the ice. Are you jumping into the Battle of Pennsylvania with the flyers and the pens going at it?
Speaker 3:
[06:03] I wish. I wish. In another life form, maybe. But, dude, you look the part. We set up this.
Speaker 4:
[06:08] You did look the part.
Speaker 3:
[06:09] I do not look the part, especially if you watch the video. If you watch the video, I can't skate at all anymore. The kind folks over at Bauer were setting up. They're outfitting me. They saw a video I did earlier this year with down in Jacksonville. There's an awesome facility where it's like a bar, sports bar inside of an ice rink.
Speaker 4:
[06:28] Oh yeah, we talked about it. Yeah, you got a little men's league action. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[06:31] So there are some of that and they said, hey, if you want to get outfitted with a bunch of gear. So we kind of set this up a while ago, even before the playoffs were clinched. And they got me some skates. Skates are probably a little too big. So we're going to size it down maybe a tad.
Speaker 4:
[06:45] What are you rocking? I got to resize. I haven't gotten these skates in a while.
Speaker 3:
[06:48] They were 13s, which usually go size down from a shoe. So it was a 13 skate. I think I'm more like a 12 and a half. Like, I don't know. We're going to try the next one down and see if it fits a little bit better. But it was all like personalized. It was, it was really cool. Awesome for Bauer to do that.
Speaker 4:
[07:03] At this day and age, you don't need to be fucking out here like feed, like fucking in there so you can get quick feed. You just got to be comfortable out there.
Speaker 3:
[07:12] I agree. You want comfort. So we definitely were going with the Supremes as opposed to the Vapors. But the Supremes now, they're not like as thick as they used to be. They're still.
Speaker 4:
[07:21] Bauer Supremes, man, those things were fucking sweet when we were kids, man.
Speaker 3:
[07:26] It is crazy seeing the difference of like technology and the equipment now from when we were playing when we were younger.
Speaker 5:
[07:31] Did you guys watch hockey at all this weekend?
Speaker 3:
[07:32] Did I? Dude, Flyers, that Flyers game was fucking awesome.
Speaker 5:
[07:36] Do Philly and Pittsburgh have beef?
Speaker 3:
[07:38] It's a rivalry for sure.
Speaker 5:
[07:39] I wasn't aware of how much hatred there was until I got online with it.
Speaker 4:
[07:43] Who was it? Senators in Calgary? Fucking as soon as the puck dropped, fucking Kachuk again, fucking.
Speaker 3:
[07:48] Our guy Kachuk in stall.
Speaker 8:
[07:51] Yeah, usual suspects.
Speaker 4:
[07:52] I know he plays for Ottawa. I don't know who the other team was. I forget who else is that. Oh, it's Carolina.
Speaker 5:
[07:57] Carolina.
Speaker 3:
[07:58] Hurricanes.
Speaker 5:
[07:59] Yeah, Philly Pittsburgh was good.
Speaker 3:
[08:01] The last time the Flyers were pretty good with Jeru Hartnell, who now does like the postgame commentary. Jacob Jakub Vorecek. Those guys were playing the Penguins in the playoffs the last time. Early in my career. It's been a while since I've been back. I mean, they might have been back one more time.
Speaker 5:
[08:16] Penguins fans were reminding Flyers fans of this. Yes. And Flyers fans were threatening to kill the Penguins at the zoo. So like it was a good, good spirited back and forth.
Speaker 3:
[08:24] Sounds very Flyers fan like.
Speaker 5:
[08:26] Oh, you guys, how many guys got? We'll kill the Penguins. You're like, OK, guys, chill, chill.
Speaker 3:
[08:32] I just love playoff hockey. They're cross checking each other off the park. They're like, and the rest is murdering people.
Speaker 5:
[08:40] Did you did you guys watch the Sabres game at all? The first how many years they've had to play?
Speaker 3:
[08:44] I saw the tailgate from the Sabres.
Speaker 5:
[08:49] The Roller Bladers.
Speaker 4:
[08:50] That was the honestly it was Buffalo, man.
Speaker 3:
[08:54] Yeah, no, the arena was Sabres Mafia. Look out.
Speaker 4:
[08:59] Watch out for the players, dude.
Speaker 1:
[09:03] What? What?
Speaker 3:
[09:03] Like, it's such a good. It was great. But yeah, playoff hockey is just by far the best.
Speaker 4:
[09:10] The game is so fun when it's you're going to go to a game when it gets back to Philly.
Speaker 3:
[09:14] Yeah, I would love to. I think I won't be unfortunately out of town. Their second game is tonight in Pittsburgh. I think I'm out of town by the time they come back to Philly.
Speaker 4:
[09:24] I'm going to go to the Flyers game without you, Jason.
Speaker 3:
[09:27] Go for it. They're fucking awesome. They're a good time.
Speaker 4:
[09:30] Philly doesn't love me unless I'm with you.
Speaker 3:
[09:32] Dude, if you show up to a Flyers game, Philly will be all lit.
Speaker 4:
[09:34] They'd fucking boo me the whole time.
Speaker 3:
[09:36] You probably get a little bit of booze, but also you understand.
Speaker 4:
[09:41] I love booze. Booze or cheer to me. I love a boo.
Speaker 3:
[09:44] Philadelphia boo is kind of like also a term of endearment.
Speaker 5:
[09:48] Yeah, it's kind of respect.
Speaker 4:
[09:50] I don't know if it's respect.
Speaker 3:
[09:51] In some ways. Yeah, I wouldn't say that either. Hmm. It's more like a. Acknowledgement of annoyance.
Speaker 4:
[09:59] Yeah, but when I show up in my fucking Eric Lendrass Jersey, you were a big Flyers fan growing up, actually, that was your team. I had a whole like like Florida ceiling poster of Eric Lendrass. I was just like, if I could just be this tall and sweet.
Speaker 3:
[10:15] LeClaire was your guy. That was the guy you talked about a lot.
Speaker 4:
[10:17] I was 88 in hockey. Yeah, I was 88 in my like, yeah, 88 I always thought was a fucking dope number.
Speaker 3:
[10:25] And Jossie LeMann, LeClaire, Brynda Moore, those were some fun Flyers teams. I was always into the Avalanche growing up because I liked Forrest Bergen, Waugh, and Rob Blake, Sackick.
Speaker 5:
[10:37] You guys weren't big Mike Madono fans?
Speaker 4:
[10:40] I loved, you know what?
Speaker 3:
[10:42] We didn't have a team in Cleveland, so we really were like, we like players.
Speaker 4:
[10:46] Yeah, we were fans of the big names on every team. The Blue Jackets didn't come around until we were in like middle school. And the Junior Jacks were in our Cleveland Suburban Hockey League for some other fucking reason. Maybe there wasn't like a big league in Columbus yet. But I just remember wanting to fucking beat the shit out of those kids every single time. I was like, Junior fucking the fuck out of here.
Speaker 3:
[11:17] I'm with you. I felt like we...
Speaker 4:
[11:18] I think I actually did. I think I fought a coach, actually.
Speaker 3:
[11:21] Fought a coach? That's aggressive.
Speaker 4:
[11:22] It got bad. I scored like five goals and like was talking shit to their bench. And then at the end of the game, we were like shaking hands or like doing the like, everybody skates past each other.
Speaker 3:
[11:32] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[11:33] And then their player fucking hit me. I hit him. Then I got into a brawl with the players. The coach that was in the line shaking hands grabs me by the back of my jersey. I just said, what the fuck?
Speaker 3:
[11:45] Wow. Sounds like the coach. Sounds like the coach.
Speaker 4:
[11:48] And you already know you're on the fucking ice. You're on the ice with shoes on. So now it looks like he just got knocked out by an eighth grader. Ed Kelce, Big Pop's fucking mom called him. I'm on the way home. He's like, don't ever do that when I'm not there. Don't you ever put your mother in that situation. I was like, I don't plan on hitting a grown ass man ever again in my life, dad.
Speaker 3:
[12:12] That was not a choice that I wanted to make. It was a weird moment in a kid's life where you realize that you can beat up like a fully grown man.
Speaker 4:
[12:20] That was one of the moments I was like, okay.
Speaker 5:
[12:23] I don't know if that's true for everybody, guys.
Speaker 4:
[12:26] I'm a little taller than this guy, definitely towering over him on skates.
Speaker 5:
[12:30] I think you guys maybe are at a different athletic abilities than some of us.
Speaker 3:
[12:35] Mine was with dad himself. We were like in the house and he had just like, I did something where I was mouthing off to him, I'm sure. But he was like, I was like mouthing off. I don't know what I said to him to get him so riled up. And he just like, you think you're, oh, the big tough football guy. You think you're like, you're the big guy. And he like, tried to like wrestle me to the ground. But he just kind of like fell and like was like ankle biting me basically. And I just like fell down because I was like, oh my God, this is like, I feel so bad for dad. So play off hockey, play off basketball.
Speaker 4:
[13:11] It's a fun time to get your fix in, man.
Speaker 3:
[13:16] Going from March Madness to play off basketball and play off hockey. This is a very fun and the Masters and golf heating up too. It's a very fun time for sports.
Speaker 4:
[13:25] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[13:25] No doubt about it.
Speaker 4:
[13:26] Yeah. I'm not going to lie. The ending to that fucking Harvard town with Scheffler and Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 3:
[13:31] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[13:31] If you're familiar with that, man, that was a fucking fun one to watch.
Speaker 3:
[13:34] All right.
Speaker 4:
[13:34] Well, biggest piece of new news. Fuck it. We're going live. That's right. We're on the road. New Heights is live in LA. We're taking our talents west coast. We're going to be at the Orpheum Theater June 15th.
Speaker 3:
[13:50] We're talking surprise guests, big time audience interaction, all the usual New Heights energy live in front of a crowd.
Speaker 4:
[13:57] Yeah, baby.
Speaker 3:
[13:57] The USA is kicking off the World Cup in LA. So we got to be there to cheer them on.
Speaker 1:
[14:04] Let's go USA.
Speaker 9:
[14:06] Come on, baby.
Speaker 2:
[14:07] Come on.
Speaker 3:
[14:09] General on sale for the 92% as begins April 27th. We'll put the link to buy tickets in our bio also over at the Kelce Clubhouse. It's going to be fun.
Speaker 4:
[14:17] Dude, I can't wait.
Speaker 3:
[14:18] We've done a few of these before. We've done one in Cincinnati. We've done one out in Kansas City for the draft a few years back. We did somewhat of one down at the shore with a little beer bowl action.
Speaker 4:
[14:29] Multiple. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[14:30] Yeah, this is going to be fun.
Speaker 4:
[14:31] It'll be a blast at the Orpheum Theater, man. We're trying to get that thing packed and rocking. We're going to have a whole bunch of games and a whole bunch of guests. And I'm sure it'll be another electric evening for the live shows, man. We're pumped for it.
Speaker 3:
[14:44] Always is. Always is. All right.
Speaker 4:
[14:46] Little t-shirt cannon. I owe Jason a fucking t-shirt cannon right in the fucking side of the dome. Got a shot went at me from fucking three feet away.
Speaker 3:
[14:55] Didn't connect. It didn't connect. Definitely connected.
Speaker 4:
[14:59] I remember.
Speaker 3:
[15:00] New news, new merch. That's right. The New Heights Essential Spring Collection is here. Oh, baby, you guys have been asking for it. We finally have New Heights crewnecks. As you see right here, that's not a crew neck. That's a nice t-shirt Travis has, but there's also a cool design. The crew neck, the Cleveland Heights tee, the Globe hoodie. That one's actually sick. I like that one a lot. The New Heights Monogram tee. All of it is now available on kelseyclubhouse.com. If you want to support New Heights, wear some merch, show people that you're fans of the show.
Speaker 4:
[15:32] I love wearing these things.
Speaker 3:
[15:33] Or just get us to give you a big high five the moment we see it. I mean, high five in a picture for New Heights merch wearers to show.
Speaker 4:
[15:40] And it's a fucking good shirt, guys. I'm not going to lie. This material and everything is some of my favorites.
Speaker 3:
[15:46] Whoever did their homework on the materials and sent them to us, they did a great job.
Speaker 4:
[15:51] Fantastic. Love it. So go to kelseyclubhouse.com. Grab some merch. We got some good shit for you guys.
Speaker 3:
[15:58] All right, 92%ers, you know we've got our No Dumb Questions dropping soon, but there's also a special Target Exclusive version of the book. It's got even more dumb questions that didn't even make the cut to the regular version. It's a director's cut, if you will, of No Dumb Questions. That's right. So if you want the full experience with all the wisdom we could possibly cram in there, make sure you grab the Target Exclusive edition of No Dumb Questions. Pre-orders are live now. Links in the bio below. And remember that all the pre-orders of the book, you can get exclusive sticker packs. Who doesn't love stickers? Just pre-order the book from Target or any Reel Tailor and submit your receipt.
Speaker 4:
[16:36] Love it.
Speaker 3:
[16:37] And we've also got a bonus episode with Jeff Stoutland dropping Friday.
Speaker 1:
[16:41] Ooh, this Friday?
Speaker 4:
[16:43] Let's go, Stout.
Speaker 3:
[16:44] We've been trying to figure out this Jeff Stoutland episode for a while. We initially were going to tag it on to another guest episode, but we felt like Stout deserved his own episode. It was highly instrumental in my career and a lot of Eagles career. So excited to launch this one on Friday. It's not only Stout, it's also got a roundtable with Jordan Malata, Brent Selick. There's a lot of Eagles centric talks in there. So if you're interested in that, you're going to want to tune in. I think it highlights one of the best coaches in Eagles history.
Speaker 4:
[17:11] He's one of the best storytellers of all time, too, man. He's so fun to talk to, man. He's got stories for days, and it's just such cool insight, like sitting here talking to Stout just on the pod alone and really hearing how much he loved this game, and he loved teaching this game. He just loved being around guys that desired that knowledge, man, and really took that knowledge and ran with it, like yourself, like a Brent Selig or Jordan Malata. So I'll even be tuned in. I missed the roundtable, but I got some action in with him here on New Heights.
Speaker 3:
[17:42] Awesome. Well, last thing, shout out to Bacon. Petty Bates. How about that?
Speaker 4:
[17:48] So hole in one. A lot of people don't don't know this. I went on an epic golf trip last week from a Hoopies match club to the Masters, which is probably the two top destinations in in the state of Georgia to play some golf and to see some golf. And yeah, my guy DJ Young Chuck, Charlie Grace, kind of, you know, pioneered the entire weekend and and helped us get into a Hoopie. But even then, man, Patty Banks on a hole five hits his first hole in one at a Hoopie match club. We're going nuts. As you can see, he has the beers in his hands. He had just shotgunned a beer before the before the actual hit, walks up to the hole, couldn't see the ball go in. So we're walking up to it. He thinks he hits it over the green.
Speaker 3:
[18:36] Oh, fuck!
Speaker 4:
[18:38] God damn it! He's all pissed off at himself, holding his beers in his hand. He walks up to the hole just to peek in it. And sure enough, that ball's laying right there in the cup, man. And we all start going nuts, start chugging beers. And about five beers later, after three holes, Bacon's walking around like, ah, anybody got a heartburn medicine? God damn it! I got too excited. But from going from a Hoopie to the Masters, we then saw Shane Lowry, right after I talked to you on that front lawn, hit a hole in one on six. And we were up at the top next to the T-box. And if you've been to the Masters, hole six is a huge, it's a drop and you had a beautiful look at the hole. And man, that thing was tracking it the entire time. And the T-box turned into a fucking mosh pit. Everybody starts banging shoulders, going nuts, throwing beers in the air. And I'm like, this is the Masters? You can't do this at Augusta. But sure enough, man, when you hit a hole in one, it doesn't matter where you're at, man. The people are gonna go nuts. So shout out to Shane for dropping that in. And shout out to old Patty Banks getting his first hole in one. And it was an epic weekend of a lot of fun with some of my closest friends, so it was dope.
Speaker 3:
[19:53] I can't tell you how jealous I am. I've still never seen a hole in one. You saw two of them that way. There are four that happened in the part three.
Speaker 4:
[19:59] I've seen like six hole in ones in my life and the closest I've ever gotten is waste management where it dropped to like four feet. I can't even get close to a hole in one. I've seen Pat Mahomes literally shoot a skyrocket in the air, go in the cup, bounce 20 feet out of the hole, and then had like a 40 foot butt that he almost drained. I've seen some fucking crazy shots on some part threes, man.
Speaker 3:
[20:25] We can't move on from this without taking a look at this picture, this very proud picture of Patty Banks on the green right after his hole in one at a hoopie without giving a shout out to just the most glorious calves in the history of the world. I mean, it's honestly like, it looks like they're implants. Like it doesn't look like it's possible for someone of that stature to have calves like that.
Speaker 4:
[20:50] He got, he got, he got a, he got botox in his calves.
Speaker 3:
[20:54] Like if he was a woman, you would for sure think he had a BBL in his calves, but he's not, he's not. It's just his natural body makeup. He got calf implants?
Speaker 9:
[21:06] These things are hilarious.
Speaker 4:
[21:08] Dog, one of the funniest things, this is what AI is good for right here. One of the wildest things is that a hoopie actually has zebras on property. So when you're playing and Jason, you played there, it's an epic course.
Speaker 3:
[21:19] They're over the fence. They're over the fence, but it's on property.
Speaker 4:
[21:22] You can definitely see them. And it's one of the unique things about the course. I definitely, I grabbed like a putter cover that's in the shape of a zebra. It's one of my favorite putter covers now. One of the homies decided to AI bacon on top of a zebra.
Speaker 3:
[21:48] Dude, but this is good. This is how you know it's AI. Those are regular calves. Those are not Patty Banks calves.
Speaker 4:
[21:54] Patty Banks calves would never look that, I mean, no, no, those are kind of meaty, too.
Speaker 3:
[22:00] That's not enough, though. That's not enough.
Speaker 4:
[22:03] Ah, Patty Banks. Ah, that's epic, with the garage bear in his hand. More fitting than the Miller lights that he was out there crushing on the course. So good, man. Shout out to Patty Banks. And that's it for a new news.
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Speaker 4:
[25:01] I'm not saying the Jets Super Bowl is tomorrow. Jason, you can say it if you want.
Speaker 5:
[25:06] I wrote it. It's fine.
Speaker 3:
[25:08] I'll say I don't play anymore. I mean, it is very funny.
Speaker 4:
[25:10] Thank you.
Speaker 5:
[25:12] To be an asshole.
Speaker 3:
[25:13] It's not nice. How are the Jets Super Bowl is tomorrow? And I can say that because I'm a Browns fan growing up, which is also their Super Bowl. That's right. The NFL draft is this week.
Speaker 4:
[25:24] Yeah, man.
Speaker 3:
[25:24] What?
Speaker 4:
[25:25] Taking strays already is fucking April. That's right. We're recording this on a Monday. So the Dexter Lawrence trade is the biggest draft news right now, which is fucking huge. He goes from the NFC to one of our AFC rivals. And don't love that because Sexy Dexy is a big piece to being a really good team.
Speaker 3:
[25:44] There's a picture of him going viral and he's just like, of course, he is huge.
Speaker 4:
[25:48] Enormous.
Speaker 3:
[25:49] And people are like, oh, my gosh, he's out of shape. Like, guys, he's a fucking.
Speaker 4:
[25:51] He was like, he was like, what should I wear? Maybe I should wear something like a black shirt or something, something slimming.
Speaker 3:
[25:58] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[26:00] There ain't no slimming that motherfucker. He came through.
Speaker 3:
[26:03] I'll speak on Dexter because I had to block him. And for me, I feel very lucky that I got to play him young in his career before he had figured out all my tricks that I tried to use against him because that was the only way I was surviving. You know, what's really interesting with Dexter is he really flourished when Wink Martindale got to New York and used a lot more five man fronts, head up on the center, shades on the center. He got a lot of one-on-one matchups and he would just, I mean, there was not really a lot of centers in the NFL that could block him. He's still great rushing from the three technique in the big gap over guards. But that was like kind of when it really took off. And Wink would also bring these blitzes from all over the place. So you had to be worried about that stuff as well. So you couldn't just double them. It'll be interesting to see how he's utilized in Cincinnati. You know, Al Golden, predominantly four down, he'll play five man fronts. You know, getting this guy, I would really try and find ways to give him one-on-one matchups at the center, put him over the center in zero techniques and one techniques early downs. You know, I'm obviously not a defense coordinator. I don't know the ramifications for a lot of that stuff. I just know watching the tape from a few years when Wink was the D coordinator and he was doing that, he was virtually like unblockable. I mean, you would watch the tape and it's like, God damn, guys, like it just destroying centers. And I mean, he is a massive human being. He's every bit of six, every bit of six, four, if not six, five, through over 340 easily and can move. He's a dancing bear. And he even when you see it, when he's doing his sexy Dexie, which you do not want to see. So this is a big, big ad for the Bengals. I hope they utilize him in a way that, you know, really accentuates when he's had the most success in his career. So, yeah, big move for the Bengals, a big pick. This is the first time the Bengals, I think, have given up a top 10 pick for another player in a long time. I saw some stat that is not in the rundown, but they haven't traded away a top 10 pick for a player in a long time.
Speaker 4:
[28:10] They kind of been notorious for going through the draft instead of kind of giving guys contracts like this. But I mean, yeah, Sexy Dexy, he got him at least one year for 28, was it? I thought it was going to be way up there.
Speaker 3:
[28:25] Yeah, I mean, he's a little bit of an outlier because he's a nose guard, but he also rushes on third down at the three technique spots. So, you know, I think he's just he's so dominant when used properly or in ways that he has been dominant that, you know, it's worth every penny and controlling the middle of, you know, an offensive line stops to run. It generates pressure to allow edge rushers and people to get after the quarterback in the past. It's it's a really good building block for a defense and you already have Joe and T and and oh my God, why am I blanking? Uh, uh, she's going to Brown Chase Brown. Uh, are you frozen?
Speaker 4:
[29:10] No, I'm trying to see where you're going with this.
Speaker 3:
[29:13] Well, they already have all that on offense. So obviously they come with the Marquis, not change. Jamar Chase. God damn it.
Speaker 4:
[29:19] Chase Brown was the safety for the Eagles.
Speaker 3:
[29:21] I was waiting for you to kind of help me, but you just let me flounder there.
Speaker 4:
[29:24] Thank you, Travis. I was like, hmm, who's he talking about?
Speaker 3:
[29:28] They already have that. They already have T Higgins. They already have Jamar Chase. They already have Joe Burrow. They have a lot of office of firepower. They know that they want to win now. They go out and get Dexter Lawrence. Hopefully adds a lot to it. Defense. It has really been a weakness there in Cincinnati. Look forward to seeing what that looks like this season. Oh, yeah. Trav, who are the chiefs taking? I don't know. The draft is going to find out. You're lying. You know exactly who you're taking. They always tell the players.
Speaker 4:
[29:54] They tell me everything. No, I think I'm just hoping for a guy that loves ball, man. You know, I think one of the things that you just want to have when you get back into the building after a season like last year, man, you just want guys that love what they're fucking doing. And I think it's one of the things that I look for in these young guys when they come in is this, how infectious is your energy? I need that out of these young guys, man. And sometimes, you know, it takes a little bit for a guy to get comfortable in his shoes and really show his personality. But Coach Reed says it best, man. We want you to show that personality. We want you to be yourself and bring the energy to the building, to the everyday grind that we can just go and unleash out on Sundays. And I think, you know, it's one of the biggest things I'm looking forward to in seeing who we're going to go and draft this year is, you know, how much energy and how much fun they're bringing to the squad.
Speaker 3:
[30:48] If you're conducting a top 30 visit, what is your number one question to see if a guy's got it?
Speaker 4:
[30:55] Just your knowledge of the game.
Speaker 3:
[30:58] I don't know if there's one question.
Speaker 4:
[30:59] There's no one question. I'm going to ask you questions about, you know, a lot of things in terms of your knowledge for the game, how you acquire that knowledge, what's that process look like. You know, I think a lot of these young guys, at least what I've seen in college football from the time that I've been there to now is just that leap into the league. You just don't know that you don't know enough about football. And so the guys that have a good understanding of what the other side of the ball is doing, has a good understanding of how to have success multiple ways through the offense that's in place. I just think it's it's you get a head start on that. And you know, I want the guys that are ready to play now, especially if you got two first round picks, I want the guys that are ready to play right fucking now.
Speaker 3:
[31:56] You know, this is my thing when that like top 30 visits, like I feel like a lot of the responses are so like pre-planned by guys. It's hard to know when a guy is like being himself when he's trying to do what an agent tells him. I just, I don't put too much stock into asking questions there. If you want to like put guys to do tests on the board, there are certain positions obviously like quarterback, center, where like it's good to get a gauge of like what their football IQ is. Put question or give them like verbiage the first day. Then when you get with them the following morning, you re-ask verbiage to see how well they retain information. I've heard questions like I know what one of the questions they used to ask a lot was like are you a dog or a cat person? And some coaches felt like dog people were more like team centric, whereas cat people were more like isolated as individuals. I think a lot of it is so nonsense.
Speaker 4:
[32:46] What was the craziest top 30 visit you went through?
Speaker 3:
[32:49] I only did two. I only so I did three. I take that back. I did a Kansas City Chiefs one. I did one with the St. Louis Rams, who coach Magnola was the head coach of at the time, sat down with him in the office. And then I did a late visit with the Eagles. And that's when I first met Howard Mudd and Yujin Chung, the assistant online coach. And I felt like of all the visits, the Eagles visit felt like it went the best. I felt like the whole process, the Chiefs were the most interested. So I thought there was a chance I would go to Kansas City. But for some reason, leaving that building, leaving NovaCare, it felt like Howard Mudd, me, I got to talk to Andy, like it felt like the whole visit went really well. And it felt like there was a lot of interest there, too. So I don't remember like any crazy things. What about you? What's the craziest question you got?
Speaker 4:
[33:43] They put me in, I was coming out in 13, Mike Shanahan was still a head coach in the National Football League. Yeah, he was a head coach at Washington. And that was the legendary, like Le Fleur, obviously Kyle Shanahan, McVeigh.
Speaker 3:
[33:58] Sean McVeigh, yep.
Speaker 4:
[33:59] All these.
Speaker 3:
[33:59] That's where it all originated at. Well, it really originated in Denver with Mike and Gary Kubiak.
Speaker 4:
[34:05] But yeah, yeah, you already know that was so I didn't even know at that time meeting all those guys in that building was going to turn out to be what it is today. The craziest thing that ever happened, I wasn't even in a room with a football coach. They sent me to like a shrink and I started doing these little table games like, yeah, like problem solving, like games like I was like a toddler almost. And it was like, how do you put all the rings onto this, you know, whole without, you know what I mean? It's like little games like that and they would time it and they would ask you questions afterwards. And it's just like problem solving games and the shrink in front of me looked like they were just like jotting down like numbers and like scores and all this shit. I'm just sitting here. I'm like, what the fuck does this have to do with football at all? And I guess I kind of love it though. I guess this was kind of one of the things that Shanahan does. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, this is one of the things that Shanahan does that kind of gives him an understanding of how well you can problem solve and how well it process and how quickly you can do it and how quickly you can figure something out on your own without being told what the point of the game is. And I think that was like kind of like. A fascinating kind of like shock of like, is this why Mike Shanahan is so good? He's just getting all these guys that are good at these like jigsaw puzzle games.
Speaker 3:
[35:28] It's a pretty dang good system as well.
Speaker 4:
[35:30] Yeah, I guess it was like one of his ways of like getting the guy in the building and seeing his problem solving skills.
Speaker 3:
[35:36] I do like that. And one is so even at the combine, there's two different tests. I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 4:
[35:41] I still to this day want to know how like my score was. They didn't tell me on the puzzle. They didn't tell me. They didn't tell me how like good my scores were compared to all the other guys that they brought in. I want to know so bad how good I did on that fucking like part of.
Speaker 3:
[35:57] We got to get Kyle Shanahan. We got to get Kyle Shanahan in here and find out what your score was.
Speaker 4:
[36:01] It's documented somewhere.
Speaker 3:
[36:02] Come on, coach.
Speaker 4:
[36:02] That or Mike.
Speaker 3:
[36:04] They don't erase. They don't erase any of that stuff. At the combine, they would give you two tests. They would give you the wonder test, which is what everybody knows is like the predominant level of like measuring like intelligence or the NFL world.
Speaker 4:
[36:17] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[36:18] Yeah. But the other one that I thought was far more applicable to football intelligence was the puzzle test.
Speaker 4:
[36:23] Great fucking job on the wonderlick, didn't you?
Speaker 3:
[36:26] I was always bad at wonderlicks and SATs. I wasn't bad. I was always average at them because I'm a slow reader. I don't read quickly and I just take I don't any time test. I just don't finish the test like the wonder like I only finished like 26 questions and it's like 50 questions long. So there's no way I'm going to have a good score. But the I felt like the puzzle test at the combine is more applicable for football. It was like a book and you would have to like. List what shape was next, and like each time the puzzle would get harder. Yeah, it's really a pattern test. I don't puzzles wrong. That's why I didn't do good on the wonder like. But stuff like that, stuff like these little games, I do think is better at generically gazing, like how well somebody recognizes patterns, spatial awareness, like an intelligence that's more applicable for the game of football rather than, you know, how well you can answer a full on sentence in a wonder like test. Like, I just don't think that that really tells much about. I've seen guys do great on tests like that and have great SAT scores, and they have no idea to tell if a nickel's blizzing. So I don't know, like, it just doesn't do that much for me. You know what I mean? It just like doesn't do not really that into it. I did think at one point we had like a pickleball court in our in our weight room. We had like a little outline and guys could play like in the offseason.
Speaker 4:
[37:51] Of course.
Speaker 3:
[37:51] And I used to tell them like, dude, whenever you get a top 30 guy in here, just bring him down here and let's play some pickleball. And I'll tell you if he's like worth the shit because you could tell just by stupid games. Nick Sirianni said the same thing with like I do agree. It does.
Speaker 4:
[38:06] He said the same thing about basketball, right?
Speaker 3:
[38:08] Well, he said the same thing about Rock Paper Scissors, which I think is even more like not true. But like I do think if somebody is not competitive and they don't care, that's a red flag to me because like, it doesn't matter what game you're putting in front of me. For the most part, I'm going to try and figure out how to win.
Speaker 4:
[38:24] What about shadow boxing?
Speaker 3:
[38:25] I just don't like to want to play it. It doesn't interest me to play the game. But if I was doing it, I would be trying to do it. I wouldn't be half-assing it. Like if I'm playing pickleball and somebody comes on to play pickleball and they're like, just like clearly uncoordinated or like not giving a decent amount of effort, I'm like, yeah, fuck this dude. You don't want this guy. He's going to quit quickly.
Speaker 4:
[38:48] You're fucking insane. If that's your job interview to be the fucking scout team or scout for the Fin for the Eagles man.
Speaker 3:
[38:59] I don't think it's a for assessment.
Speaker 4:
[39:00] I don't need to watch any film here.
Speaker 3:
[39:02] Just bring them on the course of film. The film matters more. I'm just talking about getting engaged for their overall competitiveness and desire to win. But I will say this, and the reason I got this theory was all the guys that I played in pickleball in the offseason that just were not fun to play pickleball against because they sucked with effort also coincidentally sucked as football players.
Speaker 4:
[39:27] A correlation there. I'll take your word for it. Well, the Eagles are well, hold on.
Speaker 3:
[39:32] Speaking of speaking of. Yeah. So but you just mentioned something like obviously the tape is the most important thing when you're watching tape. What are you looking for?
Speaker 4:
[39:39] First off, you have to be a competitor. You have to show your love for the game, your competitiveness, how much you want to compete on every single play. That's one of the things I think needs to be higher than a lot of the other attributes. It's like, does your love for the game show on the field? How much do you have that desire to play this game? Does it translate through the building? Is it infectious to the guys around you and things like that? And then on top of that, it's defensive understanding. And you can tell by how guys, depending on what route they have, how they stem, how they attack players, how they attack leverage. If it's man to man coverage, I want to see how much of an artist are you. Are you creating a route within the concept? And I'm not saying doing your own fucking thing. No, all I'm saying is that, you know, if it's a slant, I'm not just running three steps forward and hitting a 45 degree angle.
Speaker 3:
[40:37] I know the basic concepts of the slant. How do I take it to another level?
Speaker 4:
[40:41] Even if it's zone or if it's match zone or something like that, you got a player often inside. Like, what does that angle look like coming inside? Am I, is my angle at a certain degree to where I can get to the ball faster than that defender can? You know what I mean? Like the angles and how guys are coming out. Some guys just have a natural feel for that. And I think all that you could definitely see on film for sure.
Speaker 3:
[41:06] Dude, I'm glad you're bringing up all of that. I think all of that's really intriguing and interesting, especially with the draft coming up. There's going to be a lot of new guys realizing their dreams of playing in the NFL for the first time, getting into these OTAs and camps and then training camp coming up in a few months. And I used to get asked a lot by like young guys, like, hey, what's advice? What should I do? What do I need to do in training camp to make the team? Things like that. I'm like, dude, you need to stand out. These coaches are looking at guys every single day, right? They're watching tape. And do you want to be a guy that they're just watching? It's like, okay, right guard did his job, right tackle did his job. You want to be a guy with like, who is this guy? Where are you separating yourself? Whether it's in the, you can separate yourself in the meeting room by being very cerebral, attentive, asking questions and being very involved in discussion, right? That's one way to do it. The one way that is guaranteed to separate if you play harder than everybody else. And I know that's like a it's a moniker.
Speaker 4:
[42:01] If you watch my college film, that's what got me the recognition. That's what got me to stand out.
Speaker 3:
[42:06] If you finish to the echo of the whistle, if you go, if you're the last one to stop every play, every single scout, every single coach, everybody looking at the tape is going to be like, who the fuck is that guy? Right? So listen, I don't know what you want me to say. Yes, there's going to be limitations that everybody has. You're not going to be, maybe you're not the best pass bugger. Maybe you're not the best round bugger. The one thing you have control over is your effort, right? Come into camp in shape and finish.
Speaker 4:
[42:31] That's what I'm saying. The first thing I want to see is how much do you love this fucking game? How much do you want to compete on every fucking play? And don't get me wrong, there have been times in my career where I had to evaluate myself and be like, am I showing this? That play was fucking unacceptable. That play is embarrassing. You know what I mean? And it's moments like that where you're just like, I got to get my shit fucking going. There are times where I've seen that on the biggest stages and I've been fucking embarrassed.
Speaker 3:
[43:03] We were playing, I forget what game, what year it was, but it was like a play. I think Carson was a quarterback and the entire offensive line was just standing. And I just remember like, what fuck am I doing? Like, why am I just standing? Is it because I'm tired? Is it because I thought the ball was gone? I have no fucking clue. All I know is that that's not acceptable, right? So what do you do after practice? You go and run a couple of times. Like, you almost like punish yourself. Or if you are out of shape, you get yourself in shape. Those are the only options. And then after every single drill, after a game like that where I felt like, hey, I need to get better effort, I would go in and run five to ten yards after each day. It would be annoying and it'd be stupid sometimes.
Speaker 4:
[43:44] And I'm more tired in practice than anybody else. But I'm going to, yeah, 100 percent.
Speaker 3:
[43:48] I'm going to train myself and condition myself that this is the standard. This is how you react. Anyways, back to these young guys. You are marketing yourself each and every play. You are on the field to the coaches, to the scouts. And what Travis is saying is exactly right. Your competitiveness and how hard you go is going to be one of the things that is every coach is going to love.
Speaker 4:
[44:11] It's fiending for their feed. They're drooling to find a guy like that.
Speaker 3:
[44:14] Yeah. Now you got to be able to be good enough to. That's not alone, but you want to make the team. That's a damn good start. And that's something you can control.
Speaker 4:
[44:20] All that shit is infectious. When you get guys flying around on defense and everybody's at the fucking ball and everybody's fucking getting excited for the guys that's making the fucking big hit. You watched Seattle's defense last year. Those guys fucking loved each other. Those guys, every single fucking tackle was a fucking celebration. Granted, they were making some fucking big hits and making some big tackles and rallying to the fucking football. But the 49ers have done it in years past. When our defense is at the top, I see it, it's infectious. I see that on the defensive side of the ball. I'm fucking excited as a player that's on that team. I'm going to fucking match that energy on the offensive side when I get a first down or I get a big catch.
Speaker 3:
[45:01] Having great players obviously matters, but I do think that like half of being good on defense is just playing relentless energy and rallying to the ball, right? And coaches preach it. But dude, if you guys are truly doing that, it is so hard to execute offensively. Now, you got bad players, you got bad players, but that's a big component of it. And that's one common thing that all great defenses do have.
Speaker 4:
[45:22] Yeah. The one thing I always tell guys is, understand the other side of the ball just as you understand, just as good as you understand your side of the ball. Like if I'm playing, like the one of the, I think one of the coolest things that you specifically, you know, kind of taught me without even telling me was you knew the defense because you played linebacker in that system. You know what I mean? When you went at Cincinnati, when you moved from linebacker to the center, you understood gap assignment. You understood how, how safety rotation happens, how like if there's a rotation over here, something has to, you know, happen on the backside for everybody to be balanced and for a defense to be sound. And it's like, when you understand what the other side of the ball is doing to the point where you could literally point out what guys are doing before the snap, it makes you play at a four, if you're a four or five guy, it makes you play at a four, three. It makes, if you're a four, seven guy, it makes you play at a four, five. You know what I mean? Because you're more alert and more precise with your movement and there's no wasted time. And it's like, when you find guys that it's working faster up here, you know what I mean? Whether they're a four, three guy or a four, five guy or a four, seven guy like I was, like what, when you find guys that are making it happen faster here, the timing of the offense, the ability to be there before the ball on defense, the natural instincts that you have, and you're training instincts. You're training your mind to fucking think fast. You're training your mind to not only think fast.
Speaker 3:
[46:58] What, just go? Not even think, just go.
Speaker 4:
[47:00] But that's the thing. And you're reacting in practice and in film study, you're creating these instincts to be able to, when you recognize something, you're immediately doing something to react to that, to benefit you. That's one of the biggest things for me when I'm watching film and seeing what guys are doing or really evaluating myself is like, how am I, how am I using the ability to understand things at a high level to play faster, especially at, you know, you're getting later in your career and the body just doesn't move like it used to.
Speaker 3:
[47:33] Dude, I wish I knew what I knew late in my career when I was early. You know what I mean? What's crazy about Offensive Line, I got better as I got older and more unathletic, which is kind of crazy. It's not the way it's supposed to work. It's supposed to be. I didn't make an All-Pro until I was 28 or 29 or whatever it was.
Speaker 4:
[47:49] Right.
Speaker 3:
[47:49] Like, I made it all after my prime. But that brings back memory to me. Kobe Bryant came and talked to our team in 2017, the year before that we went to the Super Bowl that year.
Speaker 4:
[47:58] Subtle flex, subtle flex.
Speaker 3:
[48:00] And normally I'm not a huge fan of like basketball, relations to football. Like, I think it's a different sport. And anyways, Doug had Kobe coming to talk to the team. And he said a couple of things that he said. One thing that resonated with most people. And they said, you know, what's your mindset in the game? Somebody asked him. There's something along the headlines. He said, I wanted to make the guy across from me quit. I wanted to make the guy across from me not want to play basketball. And I remember everybody being amazed at that statement. And the guy said, how did you get? What advice would you give to any young player? And Kobe said, you know, be curious. Try and learn as much as you can. And all of these fucking idiots were talking about how cool it was when he wanted to make the other guy quit. And I'm like, what do you, where do I do with that? There's nothing I gained from having that piece of information. How about be curious is such a fucking awesome way to say, knowledge is power, man. Learn as much as you can on how you're supposed to operate and what the guys around you are operating on and what the defense is like. Having all of that knowledge is going to help you be such a better player. High level executives are like, oh man, he wants to make the guy across from quit. Cool. What the fuck do I do with that? How did he get to be such a good fucking?
Speaker 4:
[49:12] How did he make him quit? You know what I mean? He made him quit because he was so fucking good in a step ahead of his guy that it felt like there was nothing the guy in front of him could do to fucking stop him.
Speaker 3:
[49:23] It was such a profound disconnect with like, how did you guys hear those two statements? And that was the one that you're like, that's going to really change my game.
Speaker 4:
[49:31] But the curious part is like, it's not just like hearing the your game plan. It's not just understanding the defenses like scheme. It's like you're being curious on like, oh, well, if they do have the one coverage that might stop this play, how would I still beat it? How can I manipulate them to open up a window or how can I beat this defender up to get myself open in time with the quarterback? And it's just like being curious, isn't just doing the job, it's finding what those problems are solving. Exactly. It's problem solving with problems that don't seem like they can be solved at this time. But it's having the creativity and the curiosity to go out there and try it, at least to get it done.
Speaker 3:
[50:19] There's a guy I'm going to give some love to. He was a later up big. Brandon knows him because he's a fucking UT guy and he loves everybody from fucking Texas. Moro Jomo used to drive the offensive line crazy on scout team. He would ask questions constantly like, hey man, what do you think about this? What if I did that? What? Why do you do this on this play? Why do you do that? That guy has developed so much as a player because he's built up such a knowledge early in his career and he had a great year last year. I anticipate him continuing to play well and he is maximizing what he has. And Stout used to say it all time, knowledge is power. And just like you're saying, we're not just running routes on a paper. We're trying to know why are we running this route? Why does the quarterback want us there? Why is, why am I going there? All of these things you're trying to have answers to and trying to like become the best. Allow that information to take your game to another level. So yeah, be curious and play harder than everybody else. That's the note to all the draft picks that are going into camp. Those two things dominate those two. I guess if you all do it, somebody's going to get cut. But either way, that's how I would approach it.
Speaker 4:
[51:27] You'll find a way on another team. It'll show on film.
Speaker 5:
[51:29] Coach Mo, my guy.
Speaker 3:
[51:32] Dude, that guy would ask so many questions. And so many guys would be like, dude, well, fucking moral, just shut the fuck up.
Speaker 4:
[51:38] If you're actually using the information, if you just got a dumbass that when you tell him something, he's like.
Speaker 5:
[51:46] Yeah, we don't make those kind of players at the University of Texas. So don't let's not start that.
Speaker 4:
[51:52] Let's just be fair, Jamal Charles didn't ask questions.
Speaker 5:
[51:55] He didn't fucking have to. Jamal didn't have to ask questions.
Speaker 4:
[51:58] Give Jamal the ball.
Speaker 5:
[52:00] Am I getting the ball? Question answered. Thank you.
Speaker 3:
[52:03] It's very rare for a running back to be a question asker.
Speaker 5:
[52:09] Jamal and I were at school at the same time, and he was generally one of the nicest people. That's my only story of him. I met him a couple of times. Generally nicest dude. He was very much mobbed by students, but was always very kind about it and very nice to all of us. So thank you.
Speaker 4:
[52:22] He's the greatest man.
Speaker 5:
[52:23] Unlike Kevin Durant, who wouldn't even high five me one time, you motherfucker.
Speaker 3:
[52:28] Don't Shia LaBeouf this. I don't want to hear this.
Speaker 5:
[52:31] Yeah, Kevin Durant will tweet my ass. Kevin Durant will find me.
Speaker 4:
[52:34] I've with KD.
Speaker 5:
[52:36] No, he's cool. I just I went for the high five and he like looked at me and was like, by the way. That's fair.
Speaker 4:
[52:40] I so obviously watching KD are like entire growing up and everything and where we going with this.
Speaker 3:
[52:48] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[52:49] Watching him at UT was fucking unbelievable, right?
Speaker 5:
[52:53] It was electric, dude.
Speaker 4:
[52:54] It was a lot. There was nobody. There was nobody in college that looked like that, could play like that, could compete like that. Goes to the league, Thunder KD or Seattle KD to Thunder KD. I'm like, man, this guy is just light this shit up. And I and I had given them the respect of my mind, like this dude is like one of the best players in the league. It was always like on ESPN, it was always LeBron, it was always Kobe, it was always Steph. Bro, he went to Golden State and I saw that man live in action. Bro, he is top five, one of the best players ever to play in the fucking NBA. Seeing a seven footer run around, crossing everybody up like that, fucking chucking threes, fucking dunking on anybody. Seeing the floor like that, I'm like, bro, I thought LeBron was like the only one. Like KD, bro, no, this dude was out here just fucking, owning every aspect of the fucking floor. And I was just like, holy shit.
Speaker 5:
[54:01] Have you watched, I know we're rambling here, but have you watched Wimby at all this year?
Speaker 4:
[54:05] It's not as impressive because KD, KD was so quick. I agree to be that fucking tall.
Speaker 5:
[54:13] It's a little eight hit and fade away breeze.
Speaker 4:
[54:16] Yeah. And that's impressive.
Speaker 3:
[54:17] Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4:
[54:18] But that's you don't. I mean, it's like it's like the modern day Kareem with the hook shot. It's there's just nothing you can fucking do.
Speaker 3:
[54:25] Wemby's got to get some shoes that don't fucking collapse on his ankles. I mean, what are we doing here?
Speaker 4:
[54:29] I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3:
[54:32] Every time I watch that guy run and cut like his shoe looks like it's about to explode. I'm like, do we got to get this guy some better footwear? It's not at work now.
Speaker 4:
[54:39] Get on it.
Speaker 3:
[54:40] Do you not notice this is a Wemby?
Speaker 4:
[54:42] I mean, it's every NBA player. If you take a screenshot of when they're like fucking crossing over or something, it's like their fucking ankle is on the ground. It's insane.
Speaker 3:
[54:52] I feel like it stands out, especially with that dude.
Speaker 4:
[54:54] It's all this new light material. Never saw Jordan's ankle on the floor.
Speaker 3:
[54:58] Who is the most dominant college player?
Speaker 4:
[55:00] The most dominant college player? Fuck, man. I mean, I'm a high flying action kind of guy, so I like the dudes that are just fucking dunking on everybody like a Blake Griffin. That dude in fucking college.
Speaker 3:
[55:14] Oh my God. He's a beast.
Speaker 5:
[55:17] I saw him play too.
Speaker 3:
[55:19] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[55:19] That was insane. Dude. He was so large and he jumped so fucking high.
Speaker 4:
[55:25] It looked like Robo Duff in a jersey. Just NBA hang time jamming on everybody, dude.
Speaker 3:
[55:33] I don't know why. And maybe tell me how off I am because I'm not like the most college basketball knowledgeable human being. But maybe it's just because it timed up right in my heart of like sports fandom, basically. But I feel like Carmelo Anthony when he was at Syracuse was insane.
Speaker 4:
[55:49] Mello was another one, dude. He kind of had that like, bro, he's like six, nine in person. Like, what do you like? I'm like fucking looking up at Mello like this one. I see him like you were moving on the basketball court like that. What the fuck?
Speaker 3:
[56:02] I still remember that year at Syracuse.
Speaker 4:
[56:05] The smoothest jumper.
Speaker 5:
[56:06] That was beautiful.
Speaker 3:
[56:08] Bunch of college basketball truthers will probably shed all over.
Speaker 4:
[56:12] You can't shit on those. Both of those guys won championships. Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[56:16] There's going to be somebody we're forgetting that they're going to shit on us for. And I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3:
[56:20] A guy that was electric when we were in college, Trav, and won me my bracket competition was Kemba Walker at UConn.
Speaker 4:
[56:25] Kemba, shout out to Kemba in UConn. The crossover at the Big East Tournament. Buzzer Beater. Holy shit. I think it was Big East Tournament. It might have been March Madness. They might have saw Pizdor again at March Madness.
Speaker 3:
[56:36] March Madness was the crossover.
Speaker 5:
[56:38] I think Kemba was the step.
Speaker 3:
[56:39] I don't know.
Speaker 5:
[56:39] March Madness.
Speaker 8:
[56:40] It was the Big East Tournament.
Speaker 4:
[56:41] Thank you, Jake. I knew I knew.
Speaker 8:
[56:44] And it wasn't even the championship of the Big East Tournament.
Speaker 5:
[56:47] Well, that's why Jake knows. He was at the fucking garden. That's why he knows.
Speaker 4:
[56:50] That's why I knew too. I fucking always wanted to play in the garden.
Speaker 5:
[56:53] Still time.
Speaker 4:
[56:54] You're right. I still I could still manipulate my way in there. What position would I play? What would a 6'5, 255 guy?
Speaker 3:
[57:04] I mean, dude, you got to just be you got to be Anderson Barrett. You got to you got to just be energy off the bench at this point.
Speaker 4:
[57:14] All hard.
Speaker 5:
[57:15] That guy.
Speaker 3:
[57:17] You got to be the guy standing out at the end of the tape session.
Speaker 4:
[57:20] You're going to be that guy to stand out. It's got to stand out. I'm fucking diving at everyone's elbows up on the ground kind of guy.
Speaker 5:
[57:25] Get in there.
Speaker 3:
[57:27] You got to do all the old man tricks. And they go up for the fucking job. Pull the shorts down.
Speaker 4:
[57:32] I mean, could you imagine if you have a guy a wet willy as the shots going up just so I can get good box out?
Speaker 3:
[57:43] Just like making the star player just annoyed the entire time. Just like fucking with his equipment, stepping on the back of his shoes. So the heel comes out like doing all the little shit.
Speaker 5:
[57:54] Lance Stevenson.
Speaker 3:
[57:54] Lance Stevenson.
Speaker 5:
[57:56] Lance seems to be blowing on LeBron.
Speaker 3:
[57:57] Yes, that's what it is, bro.
Speaker 5:
[58:00] You got to call up Lance, get back in the lead.
Speaker 4:
[58:02] Lance still had a crazy crossover in mid-range, though.
Speaker 3:
[58:04] Yeah, he was.
Speaker 5:
[58:05] OK, other than that, you basically are. I've always thought of you as Lance Stevenson type.
Speaker 4:
[58:09] out of here. All right. Well, for the last bit of NFL news going into the draft, the Eagles still might be trading AJ Brown to the Patriots.
Speaker 3:
[58:19] So, yeah, I mean, listen, not that surprising, right? I think this has been something that has been rumored all off season. I think a lot of times, too, you can tell, by the way, teams answer questions. Like, generally, when teams shut down trade talk right away, that's a guy that they're trying to keep. In general, they're always listening to offers. As a team, you kind of have to be willing to do that.
Speaker 4:
[58:41] Any good GM isn't just going to fucking shoot it down. They're going to hear what the fucking offer is.
Speaker 3:
[58:46] But at the same time, teams that aren't interested in moving players, they don't say that to the public. Yeah, no, we're sticking behind our guy. We're not doing that. It's been pretty apparent to anybody that's been following this.
Speaker 4:
[58:57] Both sides want to move on.
Speaker 3:
[58:59] Well, I think that there is a-
Speaker 4:
[59:04] Speculation, allegedly both sides.
Speaker 3:
[59:06] I think that there's a willingness to move on for the right price from the Eagles. If teams are willing to match what would be a fair asking price for the level of talent that AJ Brown is. That's just kind of the way that all the news has been coming out about this. And June 1st happens to be the day where there's a different like cap hit to the Eagles. If they do move on from AJ, I want to say this. I think that AJ Brown was not the issue with the offense of the Philadelphia Eagles. And he's a major piece that is a very good player. So at the end of the day, I think it's a net loss losing AJ Brown. I think it will be apparent wherever he ends up. He's a great player. He was a disgruntled player with the way he was used and some of these other things. And I get that frustration. I think his teammates get a lot of the frustration as well, because you still have not seen a lot of negative comments or any negative comments come out from his teammates in the way AJ Brown handled last season. Was it frustrating for fans to watch at times? Yes, obviously, they voiced that. At the end of the day, AJ Brown is a good teammate, a great player, and a guy that adds to an offense in a legitimate way. So if it does get to this, it's not it sucks, right? But it has been something that has been rumored. I think we'll get some answers to with how the Eagles handled the draft this week, right? If they draft a receiver early, that kind of tells you they plan on doing something. You know, they go out and sign Hollywood Brown. They have Devontae Smith. They have AJ Brown. You're probably not drafting a receiver that high with all three of those guys in the receiver and pretty set. So you draft somebody pretty high. You're probably thinking something's happened in June 1st. It'll be interesting to see where the Eagles go in general. Like, you know, obviously offensive line is a position that they've speculated on. Lane Johnson's getting older. I happen to think Lane has a lot of football left if he wants to play. I think, you know, defensive end, edge rusher. Obviously, we just talked about receiver. It'll be interesting to see where the Eagles go, especially early in the draft. Who's available and what they value most and kind of upgrading at.
Speaker 4:
[61:06] Nice. What's the draft, baby? I'm fucking pumped for it. I know the entire world is pumped for it. I can't wait to see what Brett Veach does. And I know the Eagles are itching at the bit to get Thursday so they can see they're picking in that first round, man.
Speaker 3:
[61:19] No thing. Is there anything else we wanted to touch on in the draft? Fernando Mendoza looking like he's going to be one overall, maybe? I don't know. Has that already been announced? I don't follow this. As a rule, I get more interested after everybody's been picked. I'm excited. I watch the draft, but I really don't put in a lot of effort until like, hey, now who's on the team? And like, who are we dealing with? And I think it'd be cool to do some tape breakdowns of some of these guys and where they could be used. We have been doing more tape breakdown. Maybe we do some offensive line. I'm game guys. We're excited about maybe some tight ends of receivers. Are you game for that?
Speaker 4:
[62:01] It's game to do a little tight end receiver breakdown.
Speaker 3:
[62:03] Can you do you think you break down quarterbacks?
Speaker 4:
[62:06] Yes, 1000%.
Speaker 3:
[62:08] What's your number one thing you're looking for in a quarterback accuracy?
Speaker 4:
[62:11] Does he drink beers?
Speaker 3:
[62:14] Dude, I will say this. So seriously, I know you're joking around a little bit, just a little bit. But here's the thing. So Marcus Spears, my good friend with ESPN Swagu said to be like a great quarterback. You got to be the guy. And he said it very apparent at one point, and he definitely needs to be able to throw the ball well as well. What do you think it is about quarterbacks in particular? Like why that means more at it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4:
[62:40] I think it's not necessarily just so you know what we're saying.
Speaker 3:
[62:44] Having beers. We're talking about having beers, although it is kind of true.
Speaker 4:
[62:48] It's more about like the camaraderie that happens. The effort to hang outside of the creating relationships. Exactly.
Speaker 3:
[62:56] Yes. Why is that so much more important at that position? Is it because you're in charge of communicating with all these pieces and like choreographing it all together? Like why is it a quarterback that it seems like it's more important than others?
Speaker 4:
[63:10] I don't know. I think and this is where it's not always about the beers. It's about just being a guy that wants to be around your teammates, wants to be around the people in the building outside of the building. And I think getting that chemistry, understanding who the people are, that becomes like one of like the... How do I want to put this? I guess I've never even thought of it in a way like this. When you spend that time and you make that effort to know somebody that much more, you play a little harder for the guy. You listen to a little bit more of what he's saying. You understand a little bit more of what he's saying to another degree. And I think that's just the camaraderie that comes with sports. When a team's at the end of the season is hosting the Lombardi, that team feels like one. Everybody on that fucking podium holding that fucking Lombardi up feels like they're passing it to a brother, feels like they're passing it to an extended relative. And I think those teams, Seattle Seahawks, you could tell how they played the fucking game where all those guys loved each other. And the teams that I've been on that have been the best maybe not have had the most talented position on the field at every single position, but we fucking loved each other. We knew how to fucking play together and we fed off of each other in that regard. And it's those, and we say beers, I'm gonna keep saying beers. It doesn't necessarily mean beers, but it's those fucking beers you have outside of the facility that brings everybody a little bit closer. And you need to have as a team an opportunity to create those moments.
Speaker 3:
[64:45] Like I've gone on teams to where like it's like, oh, we're gonna go to like an escape room and don't get wrong. I love escape rooms. I don't feel like I'm like getting anywhere near the bond of going to an escape room.
Speaker 4:
[64:54] I want to kill myself if you ever fucking put me in. I'm probably not even gonna jump. Alright, I'll see you guys in the office next week.
Speaker 3:
[65:02] This is why the this is why San Francisco didn't draft you because you don't like escape rooms Travis.
Speaker 4:
[65:08] That was Washington, but yes.
Speaker 3:
[65:10] Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 4:
[65:12] They went with Jordan Reed instead.
Speaker 3:
[65:13] Now they just sent 30 top 30 Jets to an escape room.
Speaker 4:
[65:17] Escape room. Life or death situation.
Speaker 3:
[65:22] Oh, he's over at the piano. What a idiot.
Speaker 4:
[65:25] You're such a dickhead. Last thing before we get to our guests, we've got a very special edition of No Dumb Questions that we've been waiting to show you. This edition of No Dumb Questions is brought to you by Allstate.
Speaker 9:
[65:39] Hi, Jason and Travis, I need some advice. My husband is a lifelong Jets fan and I need advice because I just found out I'm pregnant and I don't know how to prepare my kid for a lifetime of disappointment.
Speaker 3:
[65:55] Love you. That is awesome.
Speaker 8:
[66:08] Yeah, man. So, any advice on preparing a kid for a lifetime of Jets fan?
Speaker 3:
[66:12] My advice that I give everybody is don't listen to anybody that wants to give you advice.
Speaker 8:
[66:15] Awesome.
Speaker 3:
[66:16] Yeah, no. Every kid is different. You'll figure it out. You're a smart guy.
Speaker 8:
[66:19] I hope so.
Speaker 3:
[66:20] What do you know? Sex shit?
Speaker 8:
[66:22] We find out in a week.
Speaker 3:
[66:23] We have to hold this.
Speaker 1:
[66:24] We can't like tell people.
Speaker 8:
[66:25] But I wanted to tell you guys in person.
Speaker 3:
[66:26] That's awesome.
Speaker 4:
[66:26] This is awesome, dude. Are you kidding me? I'm always like three days late on like figuring out what the fuck just happened. My brother, when he told me about his first born.
Speaker 3:
[66:37] The moment is that my husband is a Jets fan. I knew it was hilarious.
Speaker 4:
[66:43] I'm over here opening a humidor and there's like two boots. And I'm like, why the fuck are there like baby socks? And then I look up at Kylie. And I'm like, thanks for the humidor, but what the fuck are these? Congrats, dude. Thank you. Thank you. That's awesome.
Speaker 3:
[66:59] Yeah, so you find out in a week.
Speaker 8:
[67:00] Find out in a week what happened.
Speaker 3:
[67:02] That's awesome. Yes. Congrats. Very cool, very cool. Make sure you eat during, we've already shared this. Yes, yes.
Speaker 8:
[67:09] And bring a fan. Yes.
Speaker 3:
[67:10] Well, I mean, if you like fans, yes. I don't know what you kind of sleep when you are, but yes.
Speaker 8:
[67:15] Yes. I run hot.
Speaker 3:
[67:16] There you go, then bring the fan.
Speaker 8:
[67:18] And we're good.
Speaker 3:
[67:19] All right.
Speaker 8:
[67:19] Thanks guys.
Speaker 4:
[67:30] Congrats, Jake, congrats, Em.
Speaker 3:
[67:32] That's right, congrats. And so what should Emily do? Should the baby be allowed to pick their own team, or are they a Jets fan? That's the question we want answered.
Speaker 4:
[67:42] Stay strong, Jake. Stay strong, Jake.
Speaker 3:
[67:47] I mean, listen, the baby's always, the kid's always gonna pick. But as a dad, you can influence that kind of fandom for sure. You just buy him some Jets things, right?
Speaker 4:
[67:59] Show him the Joe Namath look like back in the days.
Speaker 3:
[68:03] Put some exciting Jets games on from like 40 years ago. Get some John Cleco tape out.
Speaker 8:
[68:15] What is that? We went to the playoffs in my lifetime. I will be showing our daughter those tapes. Hopefully, by the time she's interested in football, the Jets are good. That's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 3:
[68:31] What's the teacher's name again? That introduce you to Jets? Epi?
Speaker 8:
[68:34] Yes.
Speaker 3:
[68:35] Get get get teacher Epi down there.
Speaker 8:
[68:38] Yes. She will help out.
Speaker 3:
[68:39] Make it full circle.
Speaker 8:
[68:40] Yes.
Speaker 3:
[68:41] Teach another Chatsky generation the Jets way.
Speaker 8:
[68:44] Yes, we will. We will be sworn into misery for the rest of our our positive.
Speaker 4:
[68:49] Got to stay positive. Got to stay positive.
Speaker 8:
[68:51] Next year. Next year is the year. It's always the year I'm going to raise a young optimist. I can't wait.
Speaker 3:
[68:56] Out of perfect.
Speaker 4:
[68:58] That's all you can ask for. Good luck to your Jets on draft day.
Speaker 3:
[69:01] How is that? So bring bring Jake back in here. So that was a while ago. How is how is Emily doing?
Speaker 8:
[69:07] She's doing well. We're we're about halfway through. We had the anatomy scan earlier this week, which was crazy. But everything's great. She's a rock star. I bring her in, but she's like actively working still and doing her job. She's much more serious than mine, but she's doing great. I'm doing whatever I can, and she's doing a lot more. So I can't I can't say that I'm like a rock star, but she absolutely is.
Speaker 4:
[69:32] Give yourself some credit, bud.
Speaker 3:
[69:33] Yeah, you're our rock star.
Speaker 4:
[69:35] Appreciate it. Appreciate you, dude. Wishing you the best and a healthy healthy next couple of months, man.
Speaker 8:
[69:41] Thank you guys. Can't wait. I'll keep you posted.
Speaker 3:
[69:44] All right.
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Speaker 6:
[73:35] Oh, that's good. I was hoping you would give me a big one like that. I hear you give other guests big ones. I was like, I better get a really big fucking one.
Speaker 4:
[73:43] We'll listen to them all.
Speaker 3:
[73:44] I would never hold back.
Speaker 4:
[73:44] We'll listen to them all. You were showing off those muscles. This movie is unbelievable. It's such a flex in itself. You were doing a lot of the stunts, I heard.
Speaker 6:
[73:53] I do a lot of the action. Yeah, I do all of the climbing and it is me. Some of the kayaking is not me. I was not a great kayaker. They shot with these two Olympic gold medalists in New Zealand and did all the, which the kayak stuff is great though, right? I've never seen people do stuff like that with a kayak. These two women were just unbelievable. But yeah, I do everything else I do. Everything else that's in the movie, I do.
Speaker 4:
[74:20] That's so impressive.
Speaker 3:
[74:21] That's awesome.
Speaker 6:
[74:21] Or stupid.
Speaker 3:
[74:22] A lot of times those go hand in hand.
Speaker 4:
[74:24] I was going to ask you, do you think you have?
Speaker 6:
[74:27] You need the stupid and the crazy to get to greatness. There you go.
Speaker 4:
[74:30] You got to be just a little crazy out here. Do you do it for the thrill or do you do it for the shot? Or do you like, what's the madness behind wanting to do all the action stuff?
Speaker 6:
[74:39] Because I think good action movies work when you're telling the story through the action. It's not like the movie stops and you have an action scene and then the movie picks up again. I like action movies where the action is part of the story. You don't understand the story unless you actually see the action. That kind of physical storytelling, I really love. I was a dancer for the first part of my life and so I was a storyteller that way. When I started making movies, it was all very verbal and great, but then I really got a chance to do a big movie called Mad Max Fury Road.
Speaker 4:
[75:18] You're familiar.
Speaker 3:
[75:18] Fantastic as well. Yes.
Speaker 6:
[75:21] I fell in love with using my body again and so I made a real effort to develop a couple of projects for myself to do that. That's how I think of it. I think of it as, well, this part of the story we have to now tell and it's physical. How the fuck am I going to get up this hill without him shooting at me and hitting me? How am I going to do that?
Speaker 4:
[75:43] So fucking cool.
Speaker 3:
[75:44] It is physical and it is badass. These are badass female roles in like the fullest extent. And this one in particular, telling the story through the action, you feel like what the character is going to. It's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 4:
[75:57] My heart's racing with you.
Speaker 3:
[75:58] The last scene, I have like a natural fear of like heights. Oh really? So sometimes I get that, yes, especially on the side of like cliffs for sure. Like even just a camera looking out, I'm in my couch. I know that I shouldn't be sweating, but I just start sweating. It's a visceral movie.
Speaker 6:
[76:14] You know that last climb, the final like climb up when I get on the top and I'm exhausted and everything. That climb, that end, that last bit coming over, we shot that on an actual like a real face and it was, I think more than 60 feet down and there was no, you couldn't put mats or anything down. It was a real hang. So they had to drop me on a very, very thick, secure safety rope. But that's all they could put me on. They couldn't put me on wires or anything like that because we were just in the bush. And so I had to, this was by far the scariest thing that I did. And everybody thinks it's the cliff dive. But I'm like, no, that was fun. Even though it was only six feet of water. But every time I did my drive, I was like, I'm getting more sand and sand into my wet suit. I'm getting closer and closer to that bottom. But that last climb, I had to basically get myself down. So you see this drop. And I don't have like a great fear of heights, but I'm also not like incredibly brave, you know? I'm like, this is probably not very far.
Speaker 3:
[77:21] You have an appropriate fear when you're hanging 60 feet over a cliff.
Speaker 4:
[77:25] But you're just a little, you're crazy enough to do it.
Speaker 2:
[77:27] That's half the fun right there.
Speaker 6:
[77:29] I think we've come this far. I have to finish this now. So I'm dropping myself. I'm trying not to look down. I'm climbing and scraping my body down just far enough, so I'm out of the shot of the camera. Then I have to, on action, climb that last bit up, which is pretty steep and it's overhang.
Speaker 4:
[77:48] Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 6:
[77:50] That was one of the physically the heart, and I was towards the end of the movie, I was so tired, and I just remember pulling myself up there the third time, and I just went, this is fucking insane. Like this is absolutely insane. And in the movie, I kind of have a bit of a giggle, and that he kept it in, but that was literally me on the third take, I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?
Speaker 5:
[78:13] Like, this is so crazy.
Speaker 3:
[78:15] It fit very well. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4:
[78:16] Is a lot of this action and like that kind of that fearlessness that you have to find in yourself, was that a part of like wanting to be a part of this role or?
Speaker 6:
[78:25] Yeah. I mean, I like this movie a lot because I thought that it wasn't contrived at all. It was very straightforward. You have a girl, she goes into the wild, she meets a guy, he ends up being a serial killer, and the chase is on. Something about when I read the script, I love the simplicity of that engine that drove it. Then I liked the idea of within that, that it could be a two-hander where you can get into more of the psychological warfare, the psychological action. I love movies like Die Hard where it's simple, you get it. It's like, there's a Christmas party and shit goes wrong, you know?
Speaker 3:
[79:04] Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[79:05] I loved it. I loved those movies and I felt the same about this. I was like, wow. I just love that, you know, you got to stay alive. You got to try and get out of this and hopefully you do. Good luck. Go.
Speaker 3:
[79:19] It is a nail biter every step of the way, always on the edge of your seat. It combines so many movies in my head of great parts of them like Cliffhanger or Free Solo Deliverance, like I there's like who isn't terrified of being in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of people playing like banjos and whatnot, but no banjos in this one.
Speaker 6:
[79:40] No banjos in this one. But yeah, I think how beautiful places can become the most scary places, right? Places where people go on a hike and they have these beautiful like Sunday mornings can end up, you know, being where somebody dies.
Speaker 4:
[79:56] It's terrifying.
Speaker 3:
[79:57] Yes.
Speaker 4:
[79:57] I will say this though. Taron Edgerton absolutely rocks it with you. He's awesome as well. The first time he did his animal noise, did that fuck you up? Did it like catch you off guard? It caught me off guard every single time he did it. Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[80:12] Yeah, that was truly frightening. And he came up with that kind of like, I think a week before we started shooting because he had this, he kept saying things like, I think of him as someone that has like Peter Pan syndrome. And it was such a great way to look at the character. You know, this like little boy who's like trying to like be a man in nature, but he's just fucking sick.
Speaker 7:
[80:33] You're doing it.
Speaker 6:
[80:34] You're doing it. You're really doing it.
Speaker 7:
[80:36] Like, look at me. I can get water out of a tree.
Speaker 9:
[80:39] Like, OK, whatever.
Speaker 6:
[80:41] But I remember we did the first chase and he was he did one of those bird sounds and it scared the fuck out of me. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[80:51] It's something really out here chasing me. What the fuck is that?
Speaker 6:
[80:55] And there's a reaction shot actually when the first time he does it, when he starts the song and he says, you have this song to get away from me. And then he does the bird sound and that is my reaction is I was like, fuck me.
Speaker 3:
[81:08] I gotta get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 6:
[81:10] I gotta get the fuck out.
Speaker 3:
[81:11] Why are you that good at this?
Speaker 6:
[81:12] He's so amazing in the movie. I think he brings like a whole new twist to this. I think serial killer movies are I love them. I'm obsessed with serial killer movies. I think you also want to, I think because I'm so obsessed with real serial killers, there's so much variety to pick from, right? It's not always the tropey thing where you're telling the story and this is why, and you're trying to justify or say why he likes to cut women's heads off. And we didn't want to do that story. We really wanted to just tell a story that's in the moment. It's happening and we're not getting into too much of history about why he's doing all these horrible things, which I like as well because then he stays very scary. You don't understand him.
Speaker 3:
[81:59] I agree. It's scarier when you don't know why he's doing that. I think at one point, Sasha, like your character even tries to say that I don't want to give away too much in the movie. But yeah, you try to get that out of him or play on that. And he just shuts it down right away. No, I'm just a psychopath. There's nothing deeper here. It's not as deep as you're trying to make it out.
Speaker 6:
[82:20] Yeah, he's like, but can I hug you? Yeah, I love that moment too, because she's obviously all she has left is how she can psychologically maybe talk herself out of this situation. And I love that he doesn't go down that route. Yeah, and that I have to kind of come up with something else very quick on the fly. I'm so glad you guys love the movie. I really, you know, I haven't. This is my favorite movie I've ever made.
Speaker 7:
[82:49] What?
Speaker 4:
[82:49] You made some bangers. I was like, this is cool to hear.
Speaker 7:
[82:52] I know.
Speaker 6:
[82:52] So in 30 years, I've made a lot of movies and I've loved all of them for different reasons. But there's something about this movie that the way we shot it, where we shot it, just the time in my life when I needed to go and find something where I could just immerse myself into a world. And this movie was everything that I wanted. And then the end result was everything that I hoped for before we went to go do it. And so it's really nice to hear how much you guys are responding to it too, because I love making this movie so much.
Speaker 4:
[83:23] That's so awesome.
Speaker 3:
[83:24] Very cool.
Speaker 4:
[83:25] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[83:25] I think it's going to be highly regarded that comes out on Netflix coming up here. It's you did a great job. You should be proud of it.
Speaker 6:
[83:31] Thank you. That's so nice, guys.
Speaker 3:
[83:34] You were also a producer on Mindhunter. So you really are just all about the serial killers. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[83:39] Are we watching Dateline every night or what's the... Where are we getting our fix for this knowledge you're consuming?
Speaker 6:
[83:44] I mean, what's wrong with that? I have fallen asleep to Dateline before. Yeah. Mindhunter was a story that I heard about when I did Monster, when I played Eileen Wuornos, who was considered a serial killer. Yeah. And I kept hearing about this guy, John Douglas. John Douglas, he was the first behavioral science guy, and he is really the one that came up with profiling, which was a really big thing that he brought to the FBI, and they really fought it for years because they were like, I don't want to hear about this monster's mom, like don't tell me. But he had a way of kind of looking at the history of these people, and he profiled a lot of prolific serial killers actually, through just knowing more about them. And so I read one of his books, many books, and he's a very, very interesting guy. And he just always stayed with me as such a fascinating guy, because he's like always in like a nice suit, you know, he wasn't like, he was like the last guy that you would imagine would go to Rikers and want to sit down with serial killers and know more about them. So he was a great character. But yeah, we did two seasons with David Fincher, and it was just one of those things that I was very proud of. I absolutely love what we did with it. And it's a serial killer story that really very rarely shows you the serial killer doing the act. It really was the academia behind and how serial killers, real serial killers, they were part of that academia being found, you know, sitting down with them. That's how they built their knowledge for profiling, which I just thought was fascinating.
Speaker 4:
[85:19] That is fascinating.
Speaker 3:
[85:19] It's fantastic. Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[85:21] You guys don't like serial killers? Well, I've like, I grew up in Ohio.
Speaker 3:
[85:24] I will sit down and watch.
Speaker 4:
[85:25] A lot of them come from Ohio. So I like trying not to.
Speaker 3:
[85:27] Jeffrey, Jeffrey Dahmer. Oh, my God. It's too close to home.
Speaker 6:
[85:34] That's right. So you guys see it in real life. Got it.
Speaker 4:
[85:37] It's the everyday thing. So we tried to stay out of it.
Speaker 3:
[85:40] We narrowly escaped it. We narrowly escaped it.
Speaker 4:
[85:43] Barely escaped trying to kill each other. Nice. Well, for the movie, everybody, Netflix, April 24th, APEX. You got to check it out. Charlize, before we get you out of here, though, we got some dumb questions to ask you. We have a dumb little game that we made up, and your movie resume is absolutely incredible. But we want to know how well you know those movies based off of some of the comments and reviews. We think this is a fun little game.
Speaker 6:
[86:10] Comments and reviews?
Speaker 4:
[86:11] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[86:11] So we're going to read a comment, and you are going to try and tell us which movie you think that comment is referencing.
Speaker 6:
[86:18] That is really hard.
Speaker 4:
[86:21] Hopefully, we didn't make it that hard for you. Let's see.
Speaker 3:
[86:24] First one is from Mirian. It is, I feel like I just got drop-kicked in the cervix for 120 minutes straight. Which of your movies would elicit that comment from Mirian?
Speaker 6:
[86:37] It's either...
Speaker 3:
[86:39] Five stars, by the way. Five stars.
Speaker 6:
[86:41] Atomic Blonde or Tully.
Speaker 3:
[86:44] You got an Atomic Blonde.
Speaker 9:
[86:46] She knows it.
Speaker 7:
[86:47] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[86:49] All right. The next one is from Patrick Williams, who also gave the movie five stars. A few movies in history have ever whipped quite this hard.
Speaker 6:
[86:59] Oh my God.
Speaker 3:
[87:01] It could be a number of them.
Speaker 6:
[87:02] Whipped so hard? That doesn't... I think... There was no whips. Wait a second.
Speaker 4:
[87:06] I can't read.
Speaker 3:
[87:07] Which movie do you think you were whipped? No, you're right. That's the... You read it correctly, Travis.
Speaker 4:
[87:11] That was a tough one.
Speaker 6:
[87:12] It was hard. I mean, is it Mad Max?
Speaker 3:
[87:15] It is Mad Max indeed. There it is.
Speaker 4:
[87:19] Two for two.
Speaker 3:
[87:19] I think whipped was the key word in that one.
Speaker 6:
[87:21] There was a lot of leather in that movie, so that's why I was like...
Speaker 3:
[87:26] Well, I think they were like, whipped around, whipped around. All right, here we go. There. From Liam F. Three and a half star review. They were in Italy for 24 minutes.
Speaker 6:
[87:35] Oh, the Italian drop.
Speaker 4:
[87:37] Yes, the Italian drop.
Speaker 3:
[87:39] That was an easy one. That's a gimme. All right, one more, one more.
Speaker 4:
[87:42] From Adam Bolt. All sex scenes from now on should have Al Pacino in the background cheering for participants.
Speaker 7:
[87:54] Oh, my God.
Speaker 6:
[87:55] That's devil's advocate in the back.
Speaker 3:
[87:59] That's an all time comment right there.
Speaker 7:
[88:01] Oh, my God.
Speaker 6:
[88:02] It sounds so wrong.
Speaker 2:
[88:04] But now it doesn't want to kind of see it.
Speaker 6:
[88:07] Yeah, this is the only way I have sex these days.
Speaker 7:
[88:09] Al Pacino is in the back.
Speaker 3:
[88:11] Gail, could you come in here, please?
Speaker 7:
[88:12] And he's lovely. He submits.
Speaker 3:
[88:14] He comes. He does it.
Speaker 4:
[88:15] He's a good man.
Speaker 3:
[88:16] Great feedback.
Speaker 4:
[88:17] I heard he's a good man.
Speaker 3:
[88:19] All righty. We got to ask. You got to do the opening ceremony at the Winter Olympics this year. How was that experience?
Speaker 6:
[88:25] Oh, my God. It was amazing. I was asked and I was kind of like, I don't know. I feel like I'm going to stick out like a sore thumb. It's such a special moment for so many athletes who work so hard. But I really connected to the idea of just spreading a little bit of hope. I think I felt like it was a good stage to maybe do a little bit of that. I didn't want to go and feed anybody medicine. Hopefully, I didn't. But I'm fortunate enough to come from a beautiful country with this great man who plays a big part in the freedom of South Africa, Nelson Mandela. And you just can't go wrong with a Nelson Mandela quote.
Speaker 4:
[89:05] Nice.
Speaker 6:
[89:05] So it was very easy on my part. I just threw a dart and like anyone that it was going to pick was going to be a good quote. But it is interesting that that quote was so many years ago and how relevant it is today. But it was a great experience. It was just amazing to be that close to something like that. You know, I just have such respect for athletes. I just think that the dedication and the hard work and the discipline that goes into sports is something to really kind of take your hat off to them about. Like it's a great thing. It's amazing.
Speaker 3:
[89:39] And the Olympics in particular, like once every four years, these athletes get the opportunity to go there and represent their country. It really is a special event that takes place on the national worldwide scale.
Speaker 6:
[89:49] And then you see the smallest thing go wrong. And you're just like, it's because the state is so high, right? If it wasn't the four year thing, it would be fine, right? When those skiers come down and they just, oh my God, Lindsey Vonn, I was like, oh, so painful.
Speaker 4:
[90:08] She's a warrior though to go back out there and at least give it one other try.
Speaker 6:
[90:12] She's a maniac. When I trained for Atomic Blonde, I trained with the same trainer as her at the same gym. And I got to know her a little bit during that period. And she is like, I'd show up so fucking exhausted. I'm like, what the, who the fuck do I think I am? That I'm like, I'm a martial arts expert and get strong enough. And then she'd come in and I was just like, that's my inspiration. Just look at that. Do that. Just do that. Put your head down. Do that. But she's so lovely.
Speaker 4:
[90:40] Do you have a favorite event in the Olympics or anything that's that amazes you the most?
Speaker 6:
[90:45] I like this ski. That skiing is pretty amazing. But I watched a lot of the figure skating because I have two young. I have a teenager, a 14 year old and an 11 year old. So we watched a lot of figure skating. They were very much into that. That's awesome. Which again, the same thing. It's like that one throw, that one, that one missed land. And you're just like, oh, and I was trying to explain it to my daughters because every time it happened, I was like, oh, and they're like, mom, it's OK. She's fine. I was like, no, she's not.
Speaker 3:
[91:12] No, no, no, no.
Speaker 7:
[91:13] She can't do this for another four years.
Speaker 6:
[91:18] She's young, mom. It's fine.
Speaker 7:
[91:19] Don't worry about it.
Speaker 3:
[91:21] And they make a mistake and they just have to finish their routine. Like in their head, they know it's over. All this training was done, but they're still going to skate around for another minute and do the rest of it. Like it's very admirable in that regard.
Speaker 6:
[91:32] I don't know. You know, you're probably going to lose, right, Travis?
Speaker 7:
[91:35] But yes, it's crazy.
Speaker 8:
[91:37] You've got to keep playing.
Speaker 6:
[91:39] That's just a real admiration for that. With the smile on the face and they're giving the performance, but they know what it is.
Speaker 3:
[91:47] Yes. At least when we're out there, we have 10 other guys on the field with us, going through it together. Like they're just one person out there at a time. It's like another level of bravery.
Speaker 6:
[92:01] You guys have had that feeling, right? You've had that feeling where you're-
Speaker 3:
[92:04] Oh, for sure. I lost a Super Bowl to my brother and it was the worst pain on the planet. I wasn't even playing.
Speaker 9:
[92:11] I'm going to bring it up.
Speaker 3:
[92:12] Yeah, no.
Speaker 4:
[92:13] It was a beautiful moment, Jason. We were both on top of the mountain together.
Speaker 3:
[92:17] Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 6:
[92:18] He was hanging off the cliff.
Speaker 3:
[92:21] That's right. That's right. I would have- that's a time where I wouldn't have been afraid of the cliff because I would have jumped straight off of it. That's right. You did just mention your two daughters. I have four under six right now. Four daughters.
Speaker 6:
[92:35] How are you talking?
Speaker 7:
[92:37] How are you putting it?
Speaker 3:
[92:38] I don't know if you heard a second ago, there was just something happening upstairs. I don't really know what. I'm going to hear about it.
Speaker 6:
[92:43] That's so impressive.
Speaker 3:
[92:45] Is there any advice? What do I have to look forward to? What should I do? It was just Travis and I growing up.
Speaker 4:
[92:50] Yeah, it was just us two.
Speaker 6:
[92:52] Well, I was an only kid, so the whole sibling thing to me, when they fight, I actually got worried. I was like, am I not doing the right thing? They're going to kill each other because they're both very, very strong. They're not wallflowers and they're stubborn and they're just firecrackers.
Speaker 7:
[93:10] When they love, they love very hard, but when they fight, I'm like, oh my God, am I going to go to jail? They won't stop. They get physical.
Speaker 6:
[93:19] I have to call my friends up who, my friend was like, are you kidding me? I had two sisters. I almost killed my sister. It's fine. Nature does this beautiful thing where you think you're in your worst place right now so that you can cope with what you have. But from where I am, I can tell you that you're in a lovely place and they're still lovely and sweet. And then one day you're going to walk into their room around 11 and they're going to just be like, why did you turn the lights on?
Speaker 9:
[93:47] What happened?
Speaker 3:
[93:48] What is going on?
Speaker 7:
[93:49] Like yesterday morning, you wanted me to cuddle with you. And now you're yelling at me for turning the lights on.
Speaker 6:
[93:56] Yeah, they just turn into hormonal nightmares. Like I'm getting my ass handed to me from the moment that I walk into the house, from the moment that you're thinking. And all these things are going to serve them so well in life, but I might not make it.
Speaker 9:
[94:13] They're going to be fine.
Speaker 6:
[94:14] I am the one holding them back.
Speaker 3:
[94:16] Yeah, that is what I'm worried about. I'm terrified about that 11 through high school age range. I know it's going to be rough and they're all going to be so tightly compact. Why it just kicked me the other day, my oldest daughter, like full on, I was doing a ghost sound to scare her on purpose and she full on kicked me and I'm like, listen, we do not, we do not hit each other. But in my head, I'm like, kind of love this.
Speaker 6:
[94:40] He had the right reaction. You want your daughter to kick when somebody does that.
Speaker 3:
[94:44] That's right. She's got to survive. She got to survive APEX. There's a serial killer after one day. She's got to make it.
Speaker 9:
[94:51] Mark my words.
Speaker 6:
[94:53] Yeah. When you have the third one hit 11, I promise you, you're going to have days where you just get in your car and drive around the block for like an hour. It's what I call like a timeout. Like I have to really just leave the house right now.
Speaker 4:
[95:07] Get yourself in timeout. Nice.
Speaker 3:
[95:09] I'm going to go to the store.
Speaker 4:
[95:10] Anybody need anything?
Speaker 3:
[95:10] I'm just going to Google quick tip.
Speaker 4:
[95:14] All right. You got one rule, Jason. Don't turn the lights on, man. All right. We had Keanu Reeves on the show early this year. Another one of our favorites. Is it true you named your dog after Johnny Utah?
Speaker 6:
[95:25] Yeah, I did because I adopted him in Utah. I was shooting a movie in Long Beach Valley and Stray Dog ended up in my trailer. He was from Utah and I wanted to do a little throwback and I love Keanu. He's a good friend and I was like, yeah, how about that?
Speaker 2:
[95:43] That's awesome.
Speaker 6:
[95:46] He always went by both those names. How cool is that? It's the best.
Speaker 3:
[95:49] Have you done other movie names or character names for pets?
Speaker 6:
[95:54] No, I have not. My daughters now name all the animals that we have. So it's a lot of like Billy, Bobby, Bibi, Baba, Bubba. Thank you.
Speaker 4:
[96:04] Nicknames. Nothing but nicknames.
Speaker 6:
[96:06] Yeah, tiny little cute names. I'm like, can we get like a tough name in here? We have a farm and we got some working dogs and I was like, I get to name one. I want to name just one dog.
Speaker 3:
[96:18] What would you name a dog?
Speaker 6:
[96:20] I did name her after a movie. Oh my God, I'm so tired.
Speaker 4:
[96:25] What do you got?
Speaker 6:
[96:25] I just named her Ripley after Gooney Weaver's character in Aliens.
Speaker 4:
[96:31] Very cool.
Speaker 3:
[96:32] That's awesome. That's a bad-ass female character.
Speaker 6:
[96:34] We needed a bad-ass name in there because it was a lot of like Billy, Bubby, Bubby.
Speaker 3:
[96:40] We have a patty and then what they're trying to call the new one Freddy, and I'm trying to go with something strong German. It's a German shepherd. I'm thinking Gunda, like Gundel or like it's got to be like a bad picture, like in a big beer hall with signs walking through.
Speaker 6:
[96:55] Oh my God. That's so funny. They like to put the E on the end on all of them, like to make it cute. So what you do is they named one of the dogs Teddy, and now I just call him Ted, and it's really cool. I'm like Ted, let's go Ted. He loves Ted. I can tell he likes it. Thank you. I'm not a Teddy. Thank you.
Speaker 4:
[97:16] In 2014, you said climbing Mount Kilimanjaro was on your bucket list. Jason has actually climbed Mount Kilimanjaro. Have you done it? Is it still on the bucket list?
Speaker 6:
[97:26] Yeah, I know. I haven't done it because I have two teenagers.
Speaker 3:
[97:32] This is pre-kids, pre-kids. Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[97:34] What? Tell me the experience. Was it was it something that you wanted to do or was just by chance you were?
Speaker 3:
[97:40] So a good friend of mine that also played in the NFL, Chris Long, has a foundation called Water Boys and they install wells in Africa and like places that they need clean drinking water and whatnot. And one of the things they do to raise money and awareness around the trip every year, they kind of took a hiatus, but they did it again this year is he takes a bunch of veterans and NFL players over to Kilimanjaro, Tanzania, and they hike on Kilimanjaro. So he had done it for a number of years. He had climbed it, I think at that point four times. He's just a complete badass about it. And we were talking about it, a couple buddies did it the year before. It's like, you know what, I'll go do it thinking naively that it wasn't going to be that hard. And then just like got humbled so bad. I mean, just like, and it's this is like the most white collar climb, like mountain climb you can do, right? Like we have tons of support and like locals that are helping us up this mountain with giving us water and food and tents are being set up. Like it's a very, if you're, if it's possible at all to get my fat ass up this mountain, this was the way to do it. Yeah. Still on the last day, the summit day, you get up really early because the goal is to be at the summit for sunrise, right? So you get up at like 12 a.m. and you just start hiking. You know, you got a six and a half, seven hour like summer.
Speaker 6:
[99:00] Like just with a little dark list.
Speaker 3:
[99:03] You have the headlamp, headlight in front of you. And the route that we went that time was very steep. So you can't even go straight up. You have to do skip backs, right? You're like going sideways essentially so that you can go up this rock face. Yeah, we finally get there. And then we have another two hour walk around. But what I didn't know is once you get above, I think it's like the 18,000 foot or 17,000 foot threshold, you get to a certain point on Kilimanjaro where you're no longer able to replace the oxygen, right? Like it's a slower. It's not as severe as ever. Other. Yeah, the other. What are I forget the name of the other big summits?
Speaker 6:
[99:39] Yeah.
Speaker 3:
[99:40] But you're up there. And as a bigger guy, you're using more oxygen. So I was doing great. Wasn't really having an issue. And then right when I got to the summit, it hit me like a ton of bricks. I didn't get like hit you out like you were just like so fatigued, like a level and a little bit dizzy. And they tell you like the moment you get there, you just want to get down as fast as possible. So I am I am literally like jumping down the side of this mountain. Like I am bounding and like skate like skiing down on my shoes just to get down as fast as possible. My one buddy, Bo, is just seated in the gravel and he's just sulking because he's so tired. Like, dude, why are you guys like, my Sherpa left me.
Speaker 6:
[100:26] Did you enjoy the summit at all?
Speaker 3:
[100:28] It was incredible. I mean, you are very tired, but at that point, you put in four days climbing up it, at least on this trip we do. There are people that climb it much faster, but we it's such a highlight of a moment. And then on top of that, like, Hello, Dinata, one of our teammates was retiring at the summit. There's all these wounded warrior, like it's a guy that only had one leg that climbed it with us, right? Like, it's a really powerful trip.
Speaker 4:
[100:53] Holy smokes.
Speaker 6:
[100:54] And you still bitched about.
Speaker 3:
[100:56] Exactly. That's the thing. He did it so much easier than I did.
Speaker 4:
[100:59] And I was like, you've changed.
Speaker 3:
[101:01] And then the worst change, the worst part, too, is then you still have to go back down. Like we get down from there, we get down to that base camp. And then you have to go down another however many thousand feet from there. And my back just started tightening up. And it's it was a grind of a session that I was not prepared for.
Speaker 6:
[101:18] You're not selling it.
Speaker 4:
[101:19] You're not selling it at all.
Speaker 3:
[101:21] I will say this, knowing you and what I've seen you do in these movies, I and I think you would absolutely crush it. And I told everybody I would not do it ever again. But there is something where when you go through something that taxing and that intense, I would go with my daughters because I think it's a, it's a transformative experience if you've never done anything like that. And Kilimanjaro is for sure. Like, there's nothing more like symbolic than like. Like overcoming struggles and like adversity, then like climbing a mountain, get into the top, right? That is a very symbolic thing. And it feels like Kilimanjaro is like the most approachable of all the major summits for novice climbers. So if you're thinking about it, I highly recommend it. It's awesome. I feel like I just used up all of our time to talk to you, tell you the story. So I'm gonna stop talking now.
Speaker 6:
[102:17] My next trip. So yeah.
Speaker 3:
[102:19] Yeah. You'll enjoy it and also hate it.
Speaker 6:
[102:23] Which is how you love. You have to hate it a little.
Speaker 4:
[102:27] There you go.
Speaker 6:
[102:28] I understand the whole like, you know, wanting to do something with your daughters. I'm always looking for something like that, that I can go and do cause otherwise I'll just end up living in a Sephora for the rest of my life. I must get out of Sephora. And I just took my, my oldest girl is very like, she's a scaredy cat. Like she's very pensive, you know, she's all, which I love cause I'm like, you're going to be safe. I'm not going to worry about you when you leave. And then the little one's a daredevil, like just completely crazy. But I spent spring break with them and I was trying to find something like what you were talking about that we could do together that would be like an like we'd get to the end of a real accomplishment. We did that.
Speaker 3:
[103:06] Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[103:06] And so we went to Hawaii and I found this zip lining company. And I didn't tell them because I knew they would just say no. So when we landed, I said, we're going to play a game. Everybody's going to say one thing and we all have to do that one thing. And so mine was zip lining. The fear that my, it was, and it was pouring rain.
Speaker 7:
[103:28] It could not have been more miserable. We ended up so high.
Speaker 6:
[103:33] It was like eight zip lines to get down.
Speaker 5:
[103:35] Scared. Like really scary.
Speaker 6:
[103:38] And you're tied to a rope and you can't go backwards. You can't go forwards. I was like, this is going to go so wrong. And my oldest daughter didn't want to wear the raincoat because it didn't look cute.
Speaker 7:
[103:48] So she's in a dripping water. And I'm like, you should have put the raincoat on.
Speaker 6:
[103:56] But we got to the end of it. And it was really it's you can't describe it. Like it's so much work as a parent to do these things. But at the end, you're just like, wow, we got in the van and everybody was laughing about it. The hard work that it is to get you guys up here and look at you now.
Speaker 7:
[104:12] You've got a wet sweatshirt on and you're still happy.
Speaker 4:
[104:15] Here we go.
Speaker 3:
[104:17] It's weird. It's like the even in football, like the misery that you go through with your teammates, what you talk about the most like you talk about camping in a hundred degrees and you're all like they're sweating and hating life, but it somehow brings you closer together. It's weird.
Speaker 6:
[104:31] Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4:
[104:32] We got one last question for you.
Speaker 3:
[104:34] We will stop taking up your time.
Speaker 4:
[104:35] But we have to know, we asked all of our guests, what was their welcome to their profession moment? So what was your welcome to Hollywood moment?
Speaker 6:
[104:44] It sounds like a written moment in like a very cheesy lifetime original movie, but I landed at LAX and I knew nothing about Los Angeles. As a matter of fact, I thought I was getting a one-way ticket to Hollywood and when the ticket came, I was like, it said Los Angeles. I was like, God damn it.
Speaker 3:
[105:11] It's appropriate. Let's do the appropriate response.
Speaker 7:
[105:13] I was from Africa, okay? And I grew up on a farm.
Speaker 6:
[105:16] I did not know any of this stuff. So I drove in a taxi from LAX and I just remember I stayed. He took me to this hotel called The Farmer's Daughter, which now is a really nice little hotel, very boutiquey. But back when I stayed there, it was rented by the hour.
Speaker 9:
[105:35] I was like, I can afford this.
Speaker 6:
[105:38] And the way he must have taken me a scenic route because it's not the natural route to get to this place. But I just remember on one of the roads, I actually saw part of the Hollywood sign. Nice. And I just went, it was like, oh.
Speaker 3:
[105:56] Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[105:56] And I was like, I'm gonna make it.
Speaker 4:
[105:59] You're doing it. Hell yeah.
Speaker 3:
[106:01] That's awesome.
Speaker 4:
[106:02] That's so awesome.
Speaker 6:
[106:03] I called my mom that night and I was like, I saw the Hollywood sign. I was very proud of myself. It was a moment where I definitely felt like, oh, now I'm in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3:
[106:11] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[106:12] That's awesome.
Speaker 3:
[106:12] Just hit all right there.
Speaker 4:
[106:13] That's awesome. And to be honest, I can attest like it's hard to find that. I hear you saying he took you to the scenic route. It's hard to actually find the sign if you don't know where it is or exactly what view you can get to see it. But seeing it is magical for you to be going to LA for the first time and seeing that in the start of the career had to be epic.
Speaker 6:
[106:36] It might have been the route of a serial killer.
Speaker 3:
[106:39] Now that I'm here.
Speaker 6:
[106:42] I'm like, yeah, it was a very...
Speaker 3:
[106:43] I'm just taking you to the scenic route. Don't ask questions.
Speaker 6:
[106:47] But then interestingly enough, somewhere on the trip, you must have decided against it because it didn't, he didn't kill me. So I wonder what I did in the car that made him go, oh, not this one. I'm going to take your mic. Thank you, man, who drove me serial killer for not killing me.
Speaker 4:
[107:02] Well, we thank you. Congrats on another amazing movie. Can't wait to see how everyone just raves over this one. And best of luck to you in the future on all the other movies that you have coming. Thank you so much for the stories and your time and wishing you the best.
Speaker 6:
[107:17] Thank you so much, you guys. Thank you. And I'm so happy you love the movie. Thank you.
Speaker 3:
[107:21] Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 6:
[107:23] It was all right. Bye.
Speaker 5:
[107:24] I will say, sorry, you shouted out the best book. You shouted out the Mindhunter book.
Speaker 6:
[107:29] Oh, oh, you love that book.
Speaker 5:
[107:32] I have it right here. You said that. I was like, that's on the fucking shelf. I know where that is.
Speaker 6:
[107:36] Oh, my God. I thought you just like Googled, searched it and like slipped a note.
Speaker 5:
[107:40] Oh, we got dog ears in this bad boy.
Speaker 3:
[107:43] Brandon's our resident serial killer. That's right.
Speaker 5:
[107:45] He's just listen, you want to go see you want. You want the LA tour? I'll take you on the LA tour.
Speaker 4:
[107:51] You want to see the Silver Linger? I'll take you.
Speaker 5:
[107:54] Don't tempt me with a good time.
Speaker 6:
[107:55] I feel like I need to do a whole other podcast with you.
Speaker 3:
[107:58] Come on back, come on back.
Speaker 5:
[107:59] Any time it'll be four hours long and it'll be just me talking about like Zodiac and it'll be exciting for everybody.
Speaker 6:
[108:07] That's so amazing. You're definitely my favorite out of the three now.
Speaker 1:
[108:10] Let's move!
Speaker 4:
[108:12] Brandon swoops in.
Speaker 3:
[108:14] Shut up. I came in right at the end.
Speaker 4:
[108:15] All right.
Speaker 3:
[108:17] That's it for our conversation with Charlize Theron.
Speaker 4:
[108:21] She's so badass.
Speaker 3:
[108:21] Once again, she really is. So many badass films too. Well, once again, that convo was brought to you by Reese's. And that wraps up another episode of New Heights brought to you by Liquid IV. Thank you to Charlize Theron. Check out APEX on Netflix April 24th. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube or wherever you get your pockets.
Speaker 4:
[108:41] That's right. Once again, New Heights is a Wondery show. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights. Show with 1S for fun clips throughout the week. We're going to have a bunch after that Charlize Theron interview, man. She's a badass. You guys are badasses. Thanks to the New Heights production team for being a motherfucking badass. And thanks to the 92%, we'll see you guys next week.
Speaker 6:
[109:02] Good luck and draft day. I literally thought you were making muscles.
Speaker 7:
[109:15] Oh, don't mind me.
Speaker 3:
[109:17] Here's my muscles and my pit stains.
Speaker 5:
[109:19] This is how two football players podcast. They flex at you for 10 minutes, and then...
Speaker 6:
[109:22] I thought you were kissing.
Speaker 7:
[109:24] Yeah, oh my God, okay.
Speaker 3:
[109:25] We show our pit stains and flex at my bed.