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Speaker 1:
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[00:32] We're diving even deeper into Caribbean folklore, paranormal encounters.

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[00:42] UFOs.

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[00:43] I don't want to panic until I'm seeing aliens and UFOs in the sky.

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[00:48] And the strange magic woven through our history and culture.

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[00:53] I was raised by grandparents who practiced Obeya, all witchcraft.

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[00:59] Caribbean mystics.

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Speaker 6:
[01:57] Reports of flying saucers are nothing new. From the beginning of recorded time, men have been seeing unexplainable things in the sky. And there's no reason to doubt they saw something. The question is, was what they saw really there? And what was it they really saw? There is nothing to hide.

Speaker 7:
[02:32] There is nothing to hide at all.

Speaker 8:
[02:37] What's up? Welcome to Somewhere in the Skies Live. I am your fashionably late host, Ryan Sprague. I apologize for that. We are having a few tech issues. Literally, as we were going live, James Fox sent me a video message about his reactions in response to the release of the Logan Paul, Chuck Clark UFO video.

Speaker 9:
[03:01] I can't believe I'm recording this video. My first time in the Florida Keys. I never take vacations, but my son has been dying for six years to go snorkeling. So here we are. We're going to go snorkeling. But anyway, I wanted to get this video out quickly and just give some brief commentary on the Chuck Clark video that I was showing over 30 years ago. So let me just tell you what I remember. I got a call from Chuck Clark. I was working on my first UFO documentary, and I'm going to have to say it was circa 1995. I couldn't be exactly precise on that date, but that's roughly when it was. Could have been 96, could have been 94. Probably 95 though. He's like, I got something to show you. You got to see. He lived a long way away from me, but I was going back and forth during the time of production for UFOs, 50 years of denial. So we were in contact often, and he's like, I'm not going to tell you what it is, but when you see it, your jaw is going to hit the floor. That's what he said. And I was like, okay. So I jumped in my car and, you know, Chuck was not the kind of guy that was full of hyperbole or he didn't get easily excited. He's the kind of guy that like, if a flying saucer landed, you'd almost expect him to be like, yeah, take a look over there. A flying saucer just landed. Like, he doesn't, he was pretty measured and calm. So anyway, I jumped in my car. I must have driven 11 or 12 straight hours. Got to his house. He was in Rachel, Nevada. He lived in a double wide. And I walked in his trailer home. He plopped in a VHS tape. Then on the screen, you see like two people that are on a road trip from Los Angeles. They're goofing off on the side of the road. I remember seeing one of them, a young guy, probably 19, pretty sure. And but anyway, they're in the little alien. They're on the side of the road. They're goofing off. I mean, it's just a road trip, man. Area 51 road trip. The next thing, you know, it's almost dusk. It's dusk. The car's parked. Apparently, they were right by the black mailbox, but I couldn't, you know, that's what Chuck told me. And it sounded like they were arguing, freaking out. And there was something, there were something, some UFO that was over the car. And then the inside of the car lit up with the dashboard lit up. And again, this is 30 years ago, but it sounded like they were trying to crawl into the seats to get away from it. They were freaking out. Shh, it's over the top. It's over us now. This goes on and their shadows are eerily moving on the dashboard, like the light source is like a pendulum and it's moving. I will never forget that. I've never seen shadows move like that from a light source in a car. You'd have to have a light over the top of the car and a crane moving back and forth and the way it was moving. And then one of the younger guy goes, I'm getting out. And the other guy's like, don't get out. Don't get out. He's like, I'm getting out. And he gets out. And probably like maybe a little higher than a palm tree that I'm looking at right now. Yeah, maybe twice as high as a palm tree. I'm going to say something like that. Is this yellowy orange disc that was just so beautiful. It looked like magic. I mean, it was just, and it just sat there and it was kind of like wobbling like this. And it was just magic. Like it was magic to see. I was just speechless when I looked at it. I was just like, couldn't believe it. And the guy goes, oh my God, like that. I think before, I think before he said that, or maybe after he said that, he said his batteries were going, but he goes, oh my God. Like, like he couldn't get the words out and then the video ends. Boom, just stops abrupt. And I looked over at Chuck Clark and I was like, holy shit. Like, where did you get this? And he's like, he said it was two kids, they were, one was like 29 or 30, the other one was 19 and they were terrified. They shot some sort of secret craft. It was not shot through the window. They, the guy went outside. That, the disc was not shot through the window. No question about that. He went outside to shoot that disc. He did not see it through the window. And that's what I remember. And I tried to get it from Chuck for 20 plus years. And Chuck's like, if you ask me again, I'm never speaking to you. And of course I did. But I'm telling you the version that's out now, it's shorter, it's slightly edited, it's manipulated, but that's, it's the same video. It's definitely the same video. It's excerpt from the same video. And of course it's degraded as hell. So that's it.

Speaker 8:
[07:52] Thank you for your patience as we start things a little late tonight. But it's okay because tonight's show is going to be very streamlined, I think is a good way to put it. Suzanne and I have been talking a little bit about just expediting these things. We've gone two and a half hours, three hours sometimes. And when I tell you guys we spend all week preparing these live streams, I'm not kidding. We're researching the stories, we're synthesizing them, we're trying to get them to a point where we can convey it to you as easily and as digestible as possible. It takes me a lot of time to find the clips and edit them down, all that stuff. It's my, again, long-winded way of telling you, we're going to try to just get things down a little bit, in hour, in hour and a half maybe. Because you guys, you got to go do stuff. It gets pretty late into the night over here in the UK when we're doing these as well. So yeah, expect a more expedited version of Somewhere in the Skies live moving forward. It might be shorter, but the quality will go up a lot, I promise you that, as it will tonight, as we break down a few of the biggest stories in UFOs and UAPs with you guys and all that. I saw a bunch of people popping off in the chat with what they're drinking tonight. What are you guys drinking? After all that hectic stuff earlier and night two of WrestleMania happening tonight, that's another reason we got to cut things shorter tonight. I got to go watch night two of WrestleMania. I am drinking an Innis Ingun Caribbean Rum Cask Red Al. It looks delicious. I've had it in the past. Suzanne's drinking Sonic. Damn, that is a throwback. I haven't seen a Sonic cup that large ever in my life. Also, I haven't seen that cup in a very long time personally, but I love it. We'll ask her what's in that cup. I'm sure it's not just soda. I'm sure. But yeah, someone's drinking Budweiser. We got tea. Pat coming through with the Red Thunder as usual, which is like a Red Bull. Budweiser. Love it. Love it. Love it. New poster, Donnie Fall says, yeah, we've got our Bob Lazar, their Here poster up for you tonight. That's another fun thing we're doing. We're switching out the posters a lot, so you'll have new things for you guys to look at every now and again. Am I buffering? I've been told I'm buffering by Donnie Falls. Might be his Wi-Fi, probably mine. You guys let me know if I'm glitchy, blurry, buffering. Let me know in the chat. But let's open, let's pop this baby open. Cheers to you guys tonight for WrestleMania Night 2. Buffering confirmed. That's very unfortunate. I wonder why. I wonder why. How bad is it? Let me go check. Yeah, I'm like frozen, aren't I? Okay. Looks like I'm kind of back. All right. Like you're frozen right now. Darn it. What is happening? What is going on? Is it because I have things open? This sucks. All right. Let's give this a try. Can you hear and see me now? A sloppy start, someone says. Bro, come on, give me a freaking break here. I'm trying. I'm trying. Oh, man, I need a drink. Well, if you want to help me get some better Wi-Fi, the super chat and super stickers are open tonight, guys. If you want to help out, that's an easy way to help me get better Wi-Fi, because apparently it ain't working over here that well. Yeah, we truly appreciate that. What else? Rate and review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. It really helps us out, gets us boosted up in the old agri-rhythms over there on Apple and Spotify and all that stuff. We have a code word for you guys, as per usual. What you do is you put this code word in your Spotify comments on the podcast version of this episode or in your Apple Podcast review. Somewhere in your five-star rating and review on either of those, you are going to put tonight's code words, which are Los Alamos. There you go, Los Alamos. Be sure to put that in your Apple Podcast review or in your Spotify comments and we will know that you watched and or listened to this very sloppy start of an episode tonight. We'll shout you out on the next live stream. Hopefully, with better Wi-Fi, but one more thing. One more thing before we get to the news. I got my Anomalous Cards. We did an unboxing of this on one of our impromptu live streams this week, but if you guys don't know, all of our episodes for April of the podcast and the live streams are sponsored by Anomalous Cards. It is a set of over a hundred or this is exactly a hundred. It gave me more than a hundred cards, trading cards. Everything from the year 2025 UAP related is in here. It is so freaking cool for all of us in this community, for all of us who collect things. It is so cool. It's over. Let me show you. Let me just show you some of them. I'm all flustered and excited. So you got this lovely one here about a cool Tic Tac object. Then there's full descriptions of what the things are on the back here. Each card is limited edition numbered as well, which is really cool. These are legit trading cards, which is so cool. We got another one here. This was from the Transmedium UAP sighting that was reported on by NAP and Corbell. Tells the whole story back here. Who's that? Jeffrey Nutichelli about the UFO sightings over Vandenberg Air Force Base. Oh my God. I could just keep going. We've got our good boy Dylan Borlin right there. He's got his own card. Full story on the back about his congressional UFO hearing testimony. This is cool. So when you buy decks of the cards, you can buy decks of 12 as well. You sometimes will get these cool heroes of truth cards, which are very limited and very special. This one is of John Greenwald, the Black Vault. So it gives you his bio and stuff back there. Really, really cool. Matthew Brown, Jacob Barber and the Egg, Arrow, meeting with academics and stuff. Crush, Sky Watcher, the very controversial Sky Watcher. Last but not least, Eric Davis and Erlich Bertelinson talking about crazy Nordics and reptilians and stuff. These are so cool. So, so cool. You can collect and trade them all or get the entire 100 cards of Anomalist Cards right now at letsgetanomalist.com. Use the promo code Somewhere15 for 15% off your order. I had to really think about that. Again, that promo code is Somewhere15. Go to letsgetanomalist.com. Link is in the show notes as well. And a huge shout out. And thanks to Anomalist Cards for sponsoring Somewhere in the Skies. Okay, now we're really blurry, apparently. We cannot win. We simply cannot win. Let me go to... Yeah, I am. I am super blurry. Honestly, I think it's because we have a lot of people watching. This is crazy. Crazy stuff. Let me know if I continue to be blurry, as the late Nick Pope would say, let's soldier on. I'm going to bring in Suzanne, because she's probably not blurry. She's going to help us break down these stories, and it'll give you someone else to look at, who actually has some decent Wi-Fi. So let me bring her in. I will try to get back on my VPN and see if that helps. I don't know. I don't know. And we will go from there. So without further ado, here's our co-host for tonight, the one and only Suzanne Lander.

Speaker 2:
[16:36] Hi, everybody. Boy, we are on the struggle bus today.

Speaker 8:
[16:39] Struggle bus is a very light way of putting it. Oh my God, I am insanely blurry.

Speaker 2:
[16:46] You are. I'm just not sure what's happening.

Speaker 8:
[16:48] I don't know either. Well, you know what we'll do? We'll get through this first story and I'm going to play a video and I'll go back on my VPN after, see if that tries. See if that works. I can't talk tonight. I am so flustered and distracted. And you guys are giving us some pity super chats. So I really do appreciate that. Thank you so much to the biologist, for the super chat, to WickedMorningy. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. And to James Craig for the Wi-Fi and Beer Fund. We need it.

Speaker 2:
[17:21] Perfect.

Speaker 8:
[17:21] We need it.

Speaker 2:
[17:22] Perfect.

Speaker 8:
[17:24] Oh boy. How are you doing?

Speaker 2:
[17:26] I am hanging in there. My house in Memphis went on the market Friday afternoon. And there is an open house at my house right now. So I am at my youngest son's home. We had to redo all my equipment. So thank goodness one of us is set up, although I think I sound like I'm in an echo chamber. But it's been a struggle this afternoon.

Speaker 8:
[17:50] It has been a struggle clearly for both of us. Yeah, I don't know what is happening, but we're going to get through it. We're going to get through it.

Speaker 2:
[17:58] We are.

Speaker 8:
[17:58] For sure, for sure. Well, let's start with our first story for tonight.

Speaker 2:
[18:04] What a weird.

Speaker 8:
[18:04] And then I will try to figure out my Wi-Fi issue. But OK, this one starts with Congresswoman Annapolina Luna. And this story, as you will see, kind of unfolds in many different ways. The other man on your screen there is our AI version of Eric Berlinson. But this is about the 46 UAP videos that were supposed to be released on April 14th. But guess what, Suzanne?

Speaker 2:
[18:34] Guess what didn't happen?

Speaker 8:
[18:36] That didn't happen. Whomp, whomp, whomp.

Speaker 2:
[18:40] Again.

Speaker 8:
[18:41] Yep. So I'm going to read a little bit here. Representative Annapolina Luna sharply criticized the Pentagon after it failed to meet an April 14th deadline to provide dozens of requested videos showing encounters with UAP. In a March letter addressed to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, Luna, who chairs the task force on the declassification of federal secrets, requested more than 46 recordings captured by US military platforms. The footage is said to include spherical, cigar-shaped, and tic-tac-like objects observed over war zones, oceans, restricted airspace, and locations such as Iran, Syria, US bases, airports, and even a 2023 incident over Lake Huron. Hmm, interesting. Luna emphasized that UAP operating near sensitive military assets could pose a serious national security risk and demanded the materials be delivered as soon as possible, but no later than April 14th. And as we just said, that date has come and gone, and those videos have not been released. And now, Anna Polina is accusing the Pentagon of mishandling or ignoring the request, suggesting the letter they sent may not have even reached the appropriate officials. Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 2:
[19:59] It's so crazy. It's so crazy. And when I say it's crazy, I don't mean like, wow, how did that happen? I mean like, they thought through a way not to do what they needed to do.

Speaker 8:
[20:12] Right. Yeah. It's, yeah, I would have to agree with that. Oh, I'm looking better now. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[20:19] We got better. Settle down.

Speaker 8:
[20:21] I don't know what's going on. But cool. Cool. That's good to know. Rootslion is having a really tough time with that.

Speaker 2:
[20:28] Roots, we're so sorry. We're going to figure it out when we get through with this.

Speaker 8:
[20:32] For real. Yeah, dude, you got to get these cards. They're so cool. Try the link in our show notes. See if that works because it's working. I just went to it. Looking better now. That's anomalous cards.

Speaker 6:
[20:42] That's exactly.

Speaker 2:
[20:43] Exactly. Unless we're having a problem with the link. We'll see what's going on.

Speaker 8:
[20:47] It's yeah, it just worked for me when I went to it. So all should be good. Just try the link in our show notes. For sure. I got it open. Cool.

Speaker 2:
[20:57] Excellent.

Speaker 8:
[20:58] Yeah. Get your cards now, buddy. Somewhere 15 is your promo code for that. So I got a video for this one.

Speaker 2:
[21:07] Let's watch it.

Speaker 8:
[21:08] Let's watch it and then we'll break down a really spicy tweet that she put out as well. Acting like me over here. You know, Moipicante.

Speaker 2:
[21:19] Yeah, all right.

Speaker 8:
[21:21] Let's play this video where Anna Paulina is being interviewed by, I think it's Matt Gaetz, no comment. But let's just watch. Let's watch the video because she talks about this release and it not happening and what comes next. So I thought that was pretty interesting.

Speaker 10:
[21:39] Set an April 14th deadline for Secretary of War Hegseth to release videos that you've said will shock the country. Has that deadline been met and what was your last communication with the Pentagon?

Speaker 11:
[21:51] It was not met. In fact, I had my staff reach out because they said, have they even responded? And then I had to call the White House because the Pentagon refused to respond of which they then confirm receipt and sent us a cute response over to House Oversight, which is where my task force is at, that basically stated that they would brief us at a future date. But that's not really their call to make. Obviously, I would consider myself friends with Secretary Hegsteff and definitely understood President Trump's directive to classify all these files. So whoever is trying to be cute at the Pentagon is about to get rolled because A, that's not up to them, B, Pete would not undermine the president, and C, this stuff has been ordered for release. And so we will be getting those files whether or not they agree with us.

Speaker 10:
[22:26] Yeah. Who did they offer to send to brief you?

Speaker 12:
[22:29] Were they specific about that?

Speaker 10:
[22:30] And I guess I'm wondering why you think that's insufficient. To me, getting the raw data, the raw information, some of it I've seen in front of the public is a lot more important than just us talking about what our reaction is to it or how we feel about it. How do you view the distinction between a briefing and a true release?

Speaker 11:
[22:52] Well, they didn't tell us who would brief us. They didn't set a date. And we specifically weren't asking for a briefing. We were asking for known files that exist. I believe the statements on shocking the nation were comments made, I think it was by Jeremy Corbell or whoever another source was. But you and I both know we've both seen evidence of things that we can't explain. And so I think the fact that whoever was trying to be cute again at the Pentagon that decide to not pass our letter and to not release these at the said date, it just furthers the distrust that exists with the American people and the federal government. Which to be clear, I don't think Hegseth had anything to do with it. I don't even think his senior leadership had anything to do with it. I think it's someone lower level who's trying to again block this. And I will continue to say that we have a right to see this information. We ask for specific documents for a reason. There has been again a directive by the president. And so we're going to continue to push fitness.

Speaker 8:
[23:35] Okay. What do you think of this one?

Speaker 2:
[23:39] I think it's not some lower level person trying to quash this. I think they know exactly what they're doing. And one of the oldest tricks in the book, legal or otherwise, is if I ask you question A, you address question A as if you had to let me know you have heard it and then you answer a different question. You answer question B or you cloud the answer with a whole bunch of stuff and then it's up to me to see if I'm smart enough and listening enough to pull you back where I needed you. I think that's going on. They did not ask for a briefing. They asked for the darn documents. Give them the darn documents.

Speaker 8:
[24:17] That's fair, yeah. They were very specific. Like that letter was very detailed and stuff too.

Speaker 2:
[24:22] Right, right.

Speaker 8:
[24:24] It's crazy.

Speaker 2:
[24:24] And I think also, if you wouldn't want that briefing, they know enough right now that they don't need that briefing right now. They need to study the documents and then they need the briefing. So, cart is before the horse, I think intentionally.

Speaker 8:
[24:41] I think you're right.

Speaker 10:
[24:42] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8:
[24:44] I may have asked you this before, but do you think this is where aliens.gov comes in? We've talked about this a little bit, but do you think that's where?

Speaker 2:
[24:53] Yeah, I do.

Speaker 8:
[24:54] I agree. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[24:55] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[24:56] Interesting. Interesting stuff. Pat says, Hegseth is a devotee of the Holy Church of Pulp Fiction. Did you see that?

Speaker 2:
[25:07] Yes, I did. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 8:
[25:09] That guy recited a fake Bible verse from the movie Pulp Fiction in front of an entire room of like, yeah, was it military people, I assume?

Speaker 2:
[25:18] I think it was. You really couldn't, all you could see was Hegseth. So I'm not really sure who he's talking to, but it wasn't just any movie quote. It was dark and negative. And anyway, that happened.

Speaker 8:
[25:35] That happened, guys. A story for another time. But let's look at this tweet that she put out. No one from the Pentagon had responded until we've reached out and it appears that someone did not pass a letter to the appropriate authorities, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, she says, you know, Pehex has a friend. Um, the president has authorized the release. So whoever is trying to be cute at the Pentagon can take a hike.

Speaker 2:
[26:02] She's so cute. They're so cute. I'm with Gandalf. Look who he says. Let me get it back up here.

Speaker 8:
[26:09] Yeah, Susan Gotham. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 2:
[26:15] Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Speaker 13:
[26:17] Nope, not at all.

Speaker 8:
[26:19] Not at all. Why did I put Eric Berlinson in this image?

Speaker 13:
[26:25] I don't know.

Speaker 8:
[26:26] I guess he's kind of connected to all of that. He's the one going to like places, knocking on the doors, all that sort of stuff. Right. It's interesting. It's interesting for sure. Thank you, by the way, to our super chatters. I think I already shouted them all out, did I? Yeah, I did.

Speaker 2:
[26:46] Okay. We'll be sure in a minute.

Speaker 8:
[26:49] Yeah.

Speaker 14:
[26:50] Cool.

Speaker 8:
[26:52] Well, let's move to the next story. This is an interesting one. Now, we had the release of the trailer for the new Jeremy Corbell documentary. No, not a documentary made by Jeremy Corbell, a documentary about Jeremy Corbell. It is titled Sleeping Dog and it will be out in May. The actual release date will be in the trailer, which we're going to show you guys right now, Suzanne. We're doing it. We're going to watch the trailer.

Speaker 2:
[27:23] All right.

Speaker 8:
[27:24] Then we're going to talk about the story that's connected to this trailer because it's interesting to say the least. I thought we would start with the trailer. Is that cool?

Speaker 2:
[27:34] Yeah. Let's also ask the question, did we need this? Anyway.

Speaker 8:
[27:40] You tell me. You guys be the judge. Let's watch the trailer. Let's talk about this story that was birthed from the trailer. It's about stuff we're apparently going to see in the movie. We'll take it from there. Jay Ellen says, trigger warning, Corbell trigger warning.

Speaker 2:
[28:02] That's a thing.

Speaker 8:
[28:03] You guys are fine.

Speaker 2:
[28:06] They're in fine form today.

Speaker 8:
[28:08] I know. Better than I am. That's for damn sure. We're going to watch the trailer for the documentary Sleeping Dog. Here we go. Okay.

Speaker 12:
[28:21] Your journalistic credit shows me jack shit. If you look in the 70s and 80s with the CIA, they used to have reporters on their payroll. They don't respect anybody.

Speaker 15:
[28:32] Corbell is an investigative journalist who helped obtain and release the DOD footage of UFOs.

Speaker 14:
[28:37] I've been holding a secret for about 11 years, and it's going to be extremely public. It's not a video of an alien. It's not a video of one crowd. It's more than that. Years ago, I went searching for the truth about UFOs. And I found it.

Speaker 16:
[28:58] He was the most curious kid ever.

Speaker 14:
[29:01] The first person that I pointed a camera at was John Lear.

Speaker 15:
[29:05] John Lear, son of the famed aviation pioneer, the world-class pilot.

Speaker 12:
[29:09] The government has between 30 and 50 alien bodies.

Speaker 14:
[29:12] Cole called his phone, and he picked up. I want to bring your camera, and then how open he was with me.

Speaker 17:
[29:18] This was not part of my game plan at all. Flying saucers, flying dead of extraterrestrial origin.

Speaker 15:
[29:24] David Esmeristrom, they've been here, and are here.

Speaker 17:
[29:27] It's an Alice in Wonderland planet. Very few people will ever find the truth. But everybody is looking for the truth, and a lot of people think that they found the truth. But that's impossible.

Speaker 14:
[29:40] I'm like the least qualified person on planet Earth. One thing I am is I am worthy of your trust.

Speaker 12:
[29:46] Did you really have stuff that is that sensitive that you cannot release? You're relying on your connection as a journalist? They're not gonna come after you, not only you, they're gonna come after your fan. If I die, the story comes out.

Speaker 14:
[29:59] It would represent one of the largest leaks in American history.

Speaker 3:
[30:03] I don't know what to do, man.

Speaker 14:
[30:05] Is it worth it?

Speaker 17:
[30:17] Well, what do you think?

Speaker 8:
[30:19] Initial thoughts?

Speaker 2:
[30:20] I think we're gonna have to watch it. But I'm gonna watch it like Charlie Brown kicks the football when Lucy holds it for him. Because I think the football is gonna get pulled. I don't know how many times, Ryan, have we been through their sort of predictions? That's kind of a strong word, but their prognostications on what was coming and what was coming out and who the big bombshell was. And then we've noted at least, I think, three times. It just doesn't happen. So I think we'll let's watch it. But let's wait for the football football to get pulled.

Speaker 8:
[30:57] That's fair. That's totally fair. You guys have some very strong feelings in the chat. Oh my gosh. I should have known. Corbell riles everyone up. He is a rabble rouser.

Speaker 2:
[31:09] She's got a headache from rolling her eyes.

Speaker 8:
[31:14] It's so hard because I understand all the, the flack that Jeremy Corbell gets. He is a very unfiltered individual, confident individual. But you know what? Like I will, and I'm not an apologist for anyone or I'm not defending anyone. But I knew Jeremy for a very long time. And he's a very caring, nice guy. When I was really early on in my UFO days, he was like helping me out with a lot of stuff and was just super cool to sort of be around. I haven't spoken to him in a few years. We just, our friendship kind of just it whimpered out as things do. There was no reason for it. It just kind of happened that way. He went his way. I went mine with everything I'm doing. You know, if he ever wanted to come on the show, of course, I'd have him on. If he ever wanted to like reconnect, of course, I would do it. But you know what? It's hard. It's hard because he's a very abrasive individual. Sometimes that's what you need in this field to get any damn straight answers from anyone. Look at how he was in that James Lukatsky interview where he's like, yes or no. Did you reach the whole of a craft of a UFO? Yes or no.

Speaker 2:
[32:42] And that was the right way to handle that, by the way, in my opinion.

Speaker 8:
[32:45] For sure. You know, who lied to Congress under oath? Who lied? Tell me. You know, I appreciate that. But then, you know, there's stuff like this where I'm like, what is this? What? I don't know. But like you said, we need to watch it. Like, how many times have we seen a trailer for a movie and you're like, that's going to suck or like that's going to that's going to bomb at the box office. And then it becomes the biggest movie of the year or an underground hit or it. It's really good. So I don't know. I'm going to, of course, watch it. But the real reason I kind of brought this up is because another story connected to this movie came out and the headline of this was Dead Los Alamos Chief Secret UFO Files Are Revealed. And this will be in the documentary, these files, these things that Jeremy Corbell was given by a Los Alamos chief who left behind a bunch of files, documents, photos, videos to Jeremy Corbell before he died.

Speaker 2:
[33:54] Well, that alone is another reason to watch, just to see what's going on with that, particularly in light of the McCaslin and related issues going on in New Mexico.

Speaker 8:
[34:04] That's right, which we will be ending the show with tonight kind of talking about that.

Speaker 2:
[34:10] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[34:10] Are there connections? I don't know. But apparently, as you're seeing on your screen here, this image, Corbell was given a bunch of photos, documents, things about UFO, secret UFO files that this chief at Los Alamos had. So I'm going to read a little bit here. So a senior cybersecurity official at Los Alamos National Laboratory reportedly left behind a cache of documents after his death that an insider claims detailed classified UFO research that was never meant for public release. The materials discovered by the official son while sorting through personal belongings were labeled with references to quote atmospheric anomalies and included internal memos, scientific reports, and historical images of UAP. What initially seemed like routine paperwork quickly raised concern due to its apparent focus on UAP related materials. The files were eventually given to Jeremy Corbell, who described them as evidence of high-level classified scientific study of UFOs within the government, including discussions of propulsion systems and formal meetings on the subject. So Corbell released a clip that has to do with this. So I thought we'd watch the clip. Is that cool?

Speaker 2:
[35:31] Sure.

Speaker 8:
[35:32] Okay. And then I've got a little more from the story. Oh, I'm blurry again. Bummer. Sorry, guys. I promise you guys, I'm going to try to figure out my Wi-Fi issues this week. Super chat's open if you want to help us. I'm going to have to get the high, high speed, the fiber, whatever. Yeah. All right. Let's watch this clip from the Jeremy Corbell documentary.

Speaker 14:
[35:54] Do that. So, I don't think there was any fuckery, but I need you to confirm. So, this is how it came. So, I'm gonna pull it out, and then you're gonna tell me if this is exactly like you said. Okay, so, got it?

Speaker 10:
[36:15] Yep.

Speaker 14:
[36:16] Okay, there's a white piece of paper around it. Is that right?

Speaker 10:
[36:19] Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 14:
[36:21] I see original Polaroid. Holy shit. And where is this? Where is this from?

Speaker 10:
[36:30] It's from Los Alamos National Laboratory.

Speaker 14:
[36:34] Your dad died, right? He did.

Speaker 10:
[36:36] He passed away about a month ago.

Speaker 14:
[36:38] I'm sorry to hear that. My dad died, too. What was your dad's position, and why do we find this interesting?

Speaker 18:
[36:45] He was in charge of all computer cybersecurity for the entire laboratory.

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[38:05] Yeah. Hilton Honors, baby.

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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 21:
[38:26] K-pop demon hunters, Saja Boys Breakfast Meal and Huntrix Meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi?

Speaker 19:
[38:35] It's not a battle.

Speaker 22:
[38:37] So glad the Saja Boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.

Speaker 7:
[38:41] It is an honor to share.

Speaker 21:
[38:42] No, it's our honor.

Speaker 20:
[38:44] It is our larger honor.

Speaker 6:
[38:46] No, really, stop.

Speaker 21:
[38:48] You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side.

Speaker 7:
[38:55] I participated in McDonald's while supplies last.

Speaker 8:
[38:58] All right. So did that shed any more light on anything, Suzanne?

Speaker 2:
[39:03] I don't know. I do think it's interesting that he's feeling the need to open in almost a legal way establishing that chain of custody. So it does pique my interest a little more about why they're taking that level of care. And then I would love to know things like, is there a dead man switch for it? So that if something happens somewhere, is it going to come out through other avenues? Is it safely placed in the event of calamity? I don't know. Maybe we reach out to him.

Speaker 8:
[39:34] Yeah, absolutely. Even in the trailer, we saw him digging. Like, was that for this? Had he buried it or is it something else, some other evidence that's going to shake up the UFO community? I don't know, but we'll have to see. We'll have to see in Sleeping Dog, which is coming out in May. It's interesting. Cool. I think that's all I got for this one. Should we move to the next one? Let's go. Okay. This is going to be a journey through a few videos that I want to do with you guys here. We have to talk about it because it's all anyone is really talking about. This is the missing and dead scientists. Now admittedly, we were one of the first to report on the very early stages of this story when we worked in conjunction with the Sentinel Network on a podcast episode about the scientists. When we did it, I think it was like six or seven of them. They're up to double that now with these possible, possible, I use that word, as big as humanly possible connections to all of this. I do want to get your honest thoughts on all of it, Suzanne. But the missing scientist story has reached Congress, the White House, and the President. This is no longer fringe conspiracy theories on a podcast, on a website. This has reached the halls of Congress. Congress members are talking about it. The President had a meeting about this.

Speaker 2:
[41:18] It has literally grown legs and is walking on its own.

Speaker 8:
[41:22] This is stunning to see how this is happening.

Speaker 2:
[41:26] It's hard now to be skeptical that these things might possibly not be related. They're making it really hard.

Speaker 8:
[41:35] They're making it hard, for sure. I was talking to Paul Kimball, one of the biggest skeptics out there right now, my dear, dear friend and colleague and boss at times. We were talking last night.

Speaker 2:
[41:49] And for Friedman's nephew?

Speaker 8:
[41:51] Nephew, yes. He's staying in T.

Speaker 2:
[41:52] So comes from a long line of healthy investigative work.

Speaker 8:
[41:57] Paul messaged me, he's like, dude, this is reaching like credible journalists covering this.

Speaker 2:
[42:03] Agreed.

Speaker 8:
[42:05] Across the world, in Canada, too. And he's like, when this journalist that I trust and respect is talking about this, he's like, I don't know what to think of it anymore. It's crazy.

Speaker 2:
[42:15] And it is reaching, as a result of that, I'm sure, it is, I don't know about your inbox, but my inbox is constant with people that I don't hear from often on this topic, like, what are you thinking? Are you and Ryan safe? Or like, trust us. We don't know anything enough to be in danger. We're hypothesizing over here. But I think it's interesting that it is reaching beyond our normal group. You know?

Speaker 8:
[42:43] Yeah. Jamie brings up a troubling thing here. For me, it's the close timeline for each of these. It is. It's all within the span of like two to maybe three years that all of these mysterious deaths and missing people kind of occurred. What I think we should do is let's start with this video where the White House commented on it or was asked about it and also Congressmembers talked about it. So should we watch that first? I think that's a good question.

Speaker 2:
[43:20] Let's watch it. I think this was the turning point for legitimate journalists, not just in our topic. I think all of a sudden, when what we're about to watch happened, ears and eyes were opening.

Speaker 10:
[43:35] Mm-hmm, agreed.

Speaker 8:
[43:38] All right, here we go. This is from a White House press briefing. And then it goes right into two clips that Ask A Poll, the really, really good group out in Washington who goes and asks these Congressmembers daily pounding the pavement in talking to them about UAP and what they're doing. So shout out to Ask A Poll. Go subscribe to them, their sub stack, their website, their Twitter accounts. Go follow them. We're going to be playing a couple clips that they did over that, Matt Laszlo, over at Ask A Poll. So let's give this a watch about the missing and deceased scientists.

Speaker 23:
[44:18] And American scientists who have either gone missing or died since mid-2024, they all reportedly had access to classified nuclear or aerospace material. Is anybody investigating this to see if these things are connected?

Speaker 22:
[44:31] I've seen the report, Peter. I haven't spoken to our relevant agencies about it. I will certainly do that and we'll get you an answer. If true, of course, that's definitely something I think this government and administration would deem worth looking into. So let me do that.

Speaker 13:
[44:43] We now have, you know, 10 people, by the way, that are missing or dead.

Speaker 22:
[44:47] Well, what's up with that?

Speaker 13:
[44:48] Okay. You know, dealing with our nuclear program. So I think the Pentagon needs to come clean.

Speaker 24:
[44:54] Do you want to see the investigation do that? The Los Alamos scientists?

Speaker 13:
[44:58] I think Luna should probably hold a hearing on that. Yeah. Okay. I think she will. But if the Pentagon knows to release this stuff in compliance with Representative Luna's letter, then I think ultimately we're gonna have to have a hearing on that as well. Yep. Thanks.

Speaker 24:
[45:11] Mr. Jamoskiewicz said he wouldn't mind hearings into...

Speaker 11:
[45:14] I want to do the 10th scientist, that's crazy.

Speaker 18:
[45:16] What the hell is up with that?

Speaker 11:
[45:17] I have no idea. I've been vlogging it for a while. I think after the sixth scientist went missing, I posted about it. I know it's obviously a survey.

Speaker 8:
[45:26] So there you have Jared Jamoskiewicz and Anna Paulina talking about it. And they're thinking about doing a possible hearing about this. What do you think?

Speaker 2:
[45:39] I think that they need to. I don't know how far they'll get. I think this is probably deep, deep, deep stuff, well buried. And to get the connectors, I think will take something close to a miracle. But I think we keep talking about it and see if they won't stay focused on it. And then maybe we can get some answers.

Speaker 8:
[46:02] Interesting. So like I mentioned, this went from the White House press briefing room to Congress members up to the president. So what I want to show next is Donald J. Trump commenting on this after being asked about it. And then it bleeds right into a news story kind of about the scientists, some of the missing scientists and whatnot. And Eric Berlinson, another Congress member, talking about it, responding to it, reacting to this story as well. So should we just play that?

Speaker 2:
[46:38] Yeah, let's play it.

Speaker 8:
[46:39] Let's do it. Give me a sec here, guys. Thank you for hanging in there, guys, with my horrible Wi-Fi tonight. I really appreciate it. This will be available on the podcast as well. So imagine yourself just listening to a podcast now, and look at Suzanne's beautiful clear face on her screen.

Speaker 2:
[46:58] So sweet.

Speaker 8:
[46:59] I'm just a freaking blob like a goddamn Navy video. All right. Here we go.

Speaker 2:
[47:08] Okay.

Speaker 23:
[47:10] I'm missing scientists with access to classified stuff, nuclear material, aerospace. They've all gone missing or turned up dead in the last couple months. Based on what you've been briefed, what do you think is happening here? And do you think that this is connected or totally random?

Speaker 18:
[47:23] Well, I hope it's random, but we're going to know in the next week and a half. I just left the meeting on that subject. So pretty serious stuff. But we're going to be now hopefully, I don't know, coincidence, if you want it, whatever you want to call it. But some of them were very important people, and we're going to look at it over the next week or so.

Speaker 25:
[47:40] So take a look. The White House now probing the disappearances of the people behind me, the deaths of 10 scientists at least. Let's break down some of the cases. For example, let's look at Michael David Hicks. He dies at the age of 59 years old, and David Michael Hicks, a long-time JPL scientist involved in asteroid and comet research, no public cause of death given. Then you have a situation like Monica Reza. Monica Reza vanished while hiking under weird circumstances. Then you have William Neal McCaslin. This guy disappeared in February, deep ties to the Air Force research programs. So everyone has a bit of a mystery to their passing, and people are wondering with the very similar backgrounds, extremely bright people, extremely successful people, extremely valuable people, is this all related? As you heard, the president can't say yes or no publicly yet, but the mystery remains. Let's bring in House Oversight Committee member, Missouri Congressman Eric Berlison, who is calling for the FBI to get involved. Congressman, when did you first find out about this?

Speaker 15:
[48:38] My office found out about it last year. We sent a letter to the FBI about a gentleman named Matthew Sullivan, who actually we had reached out to. He was scheduled to come in for an interview. Within two weeks, he had suspiciously committed suicide. That report was referred to the Office of Inspector General. They deemed it credible and urgent. They then referred it to the FBI.

Speaker 8:
[49:02] That is the gentleman that James Fox was talking about.

Speaker 2:
[49:06] So concerning.

Speaker 8:
[49:07] Yeah. That is the guy who was supposed to testify about UAP. He was going to be a UAP whistleblower, and then he was found unalive, unfortunately. But as Berlinson is saying, it was very mysterious the way that it happened apparently in stuff. So that's weird.

Speaker 2:
[49:27] All of it is. It's too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence that they are all related in subject matter or funding or employment hierarchy. They're too connected with too many bizarre stats being busted about unaliving yourself or going missing. We probably at some point need to look at what percentage of basic humans go missing or unalive themselves and compare it to this pool, because I think the numbers would be through the roof bizarre.

Speaker 8:
[50:04] I'm glad you brought that up. Now, I'm going to be showing a clip from our episode this upcoming week with Micah Hanks, because we talked about this story. Micah is a very level-headed individual. He is an open-minded skeptic or a skeptical believer. I don't know. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but we talked about this story and we also talked about some of the issues with this story. It grows and it becomes something so unrecognizable from what it originally is. However, like he said, this guy, Sullivan, very mysterious how that all happened. I think he's going to keep talking here a little bit more about the core story of the missing people. We're going to hear from Micah Hanks in just a little bit about how many people go missing every year and things like that. I'm glad you brought that up. Let's get back to this clip.

Speaker 15:
[50:58] This is not the first that we've heard of this. That was the first that we became aware of.

Speaker 25:
[51:03] The president was briefed extensively yesterday and he's worried about it. You know, we hear about all this. We also know we're in a big time race with China for all this too. And then people wonder about the undisclosed UFO program that more and more people are pushing to get answers on. Is there a relation to any of that from which you could share with us?

Speaker 15:
[51:22] There certainly is. So General McCaslin, for example, is someone that we had reached out to twice to try to get some answers from. He is someone who has a critical role in working for the Air Force, particularly when it came to research. He was the one that oversaw a lot of this advanced research. He was someone that was very difficult to get a hold of. But we reached out to him twice and then he just mysteriously disappeared.

Speaker 25:
[51:47] You know, if one person disappears, we see press conferences and we see people in mysterious deaths, we would see family members. Why haven't we heard more from family members and associates about their concern?

Speaker 15:
[51:59] Yeah, I don't know, Brian. I wish we would. But look, what's really disturbing when you look back and reflect on it, you've got Monica Reza, you've got Anthony Chavez, you got Melissa Cassius, and you have Stephen Garcia, all of which along with General McCaslin walked out of their homes or in the case of Mrs. Reza, she disappeared on a hike without their phones. They just literally disappeared, left all of their devices at home. This is not normal. These are some of the most advanced scientists, researchers in our nation, some of the most important people for our nation's national security efforts, and they all just mysteriously disappeared.

Speaker 25:
[52:34] So I mean, this does have all the hallmarks of some type of international or foreign effort because we're in competition on nuclear, we're in competition on advanced weaponry, we're in competition on getting to the moon. And who are you in competition with? China, Russia, Iran? So that brings, if there's anything worthy of an all hands on deck investigation, this seems to be it.

Speaker 15:
[52:55] This is a rattling call to pay attention to this issue and make sure that our nation's top scientists are safe and secure. This is too coincidental and so we have to be investigating this. We need to have our nation's top investigators, the FBI and every agency looking into this matter.

Speaker 25:
[53:12] Eight have been found missing or dead since 2025. So this is only going to grow. In fact, I know one of the scientists that came out and said they thought that they were being threatened and stalked.

Speaker 15:
[53:24] Yeah, we've heard that from multiple cases where they've all felt some form of threat.

Speaker 25:
[53:31] And lastly, is this something Democrats and Republicans can get behind together?

Speaker 15:
[53:37] Absolutely, Brian. My office is leading a joint effort with Democrats. This is a bipartisan issue. We're leading a letter to the FBI to make sure that they address this issue and properly investigate this.

Speaker 25:
[53:51] I would love to see press conferences with some of their colleagues who probably share your concern. Congressman, thanks so much. Appreciate it.

Speaker 15:
[53:56] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[53:58] I agree completely. We got to keep our sensitive scientists and engineers safe. But if the call is coming from inside the House, how are you going to do that?

Speaker 8:
[54:07] Yeah, that's the problem with the investigation's arrow we're doing, too. They're investigating things connected to the Department of Defense in which they work for. It's so hard. It's so hard.

Speaker 2:
[54:23] Hard, hard, hard.

Speaker 8:
[54:24] A few points I found interesting was, yeah, what we haven't heard from any of the family members. Maybe they want absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, with this quote unquote investigation that Burlington is calling for with the FBI. I could understand that to an extent. Again, these are grieving families. These are stressed out, distressed individuals who have people in their families missing. The last thing they want to do is have it be connected to either their highly sensitive work or something to do with UFOs.

Speaker 2:
[55:00] But at the end of the day, what is the means? You know, I think of Terrell McCaslin's wife, that is not what I would have had her say in a public statement. And so, and I think there was some backlash. So, I think, you know, they're not going to, in the typical day, be television people or people who deal with social media ups and downs. And so, I think there is risk. In addition to grieving and being scared and all those things, they can also get it wrong.

Speaker 8:
[55:32] Yeah. You know, the way, and I think I might bring this up with Micah. If I don't, I'll bring it up after we show that clip. But what I want to ask you before we get to that, do you feel that Burlinson going after this whole thing is going to distract from the work he was doing in going to these legacy UFO program locations? Like, I feel like, dude, it's like focus on one thing. But then I guess the counterargument to that could be, what if this is connected to that? Right.

Speaker 2:
[56:07] I suspect that's exactly what he thinks. All of this is connected. There is going to be one hub somewhere, a layered hub, I suspect, of people with knowledge. And I bet it's all connected.

Speaker 8:
[56:21] Yeah. Interesting. Again, if you guys want to listen to our early, when this story kind of just broke, we did a really quick but very detailed episode about it in the archives. You can find it right here on YouTube. The Wright-Patterson Web, McCaslin, something like that. I was going to take it down. And I'll tell you why. Watch the clip with Micah, because I'm going through a lot of different emotions when it comes to this story.

Speaker 24:
[56:54] Sure.

Speaker 8:
[56:56] I don't know if it's because we've all lost people in our lives. I lost my mother somewhat recently. I mean, it's been almost two years now, which like, good Lord, it feels like just yesterday.

Speaker 24:
[57:08] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[57:09] So dealing with any sort of death things always get to me. Obviously, again, I'm not saying I'm special or anything. Everyone goes through what I've been through and everyone leaves this mortal coil. However, a story like this, I'm thinking about these poor individuals missing, and I'm thinking about the families because I can definitely empathize with that. So I'm struggling with this story. I wasn't going to cover it tonight, but I want to play this clip with Micah, and I want to know what you guys think in the chat in terms of how we, as the UFO community, cover this story, no matter what it is, what it isn't, what it turns out to be. So this is a clip from our episode that's going to be releasing this week with Micah Hanks. We did over two hours of a UAP debrief, but Micah brought this up. I didn't even bring it up. He brought up the missing scientist. So let's give this a watch.

Speaker 2:
[58:06] All right.

Speaker 10:
[58:13] There's been so much discussion recently about missing scientists, right?

Speaker 8:
[58:17] Yes.

Speaker 10:
[58:18] Now, I don't know if there is indeed continuity between the disappearances and if all of these people, some aspect of their work was connected and they're being, they're vanishing or some are dying under mysterious circumstances. I don't know. I do know that that debate began after the very controversial disappearance of Major General William Neal McCaslin. I recently had to say on my show, and I've talked a bit off the microphone about this, that there is a tendency to want to spot patterns and see connections between events that seem like they're related. We have to also remind ourselves that correlation does not necessarily mean causation or causality. There doesn't necessarily mean that there's a causal relationship between events just because there appears to be a correlation. When Neil McCaslin disappeared, it was weird. And yes, he had been an advisor to Tom DeLonge, and they had gone to meet John Podesta back in, I think, 2016 during that very contentious election year. And when he went missing, it was weird. And Tim McMillan and I, I remember he was texting me, he was like, between you and I, I mean, this is really weird. And I said, well, between you and I, buddy, it is weird. It's extremely weird. And then within a few days, other scientists who had vanished or who had died, people started talking about them. And at first, it was just one. I think the number is up to like nine or 10 now, maybe eight or nine at least. By different figures, some I've seen, some figures actually as many as 12. Based on national crime statistics, again, and this is all just me just doing spot on the spot math, but I did a quick proportion. I don't feel like there's a lot of statistical significance that can be assigned to the current number of deaths. Furthermore, these deaths and disappearances, noting that there are differences between people who have actually gone missing and then those who were actually either killed or who died, totally different on the case-for-case basis, circumstances involving what led to the, we'll just call the removal of these individuals from the circumstances. Over at least a two-year period, but depending on how many new names have been added to that list that temporarily may have been extended even beyond two years. I would caution people deeply about assuming, well, these scientists are all going missing and therefore, there must be some connection and they all must be connected. Tragically, we finally got the 911 audio from Major General McCaslin's wife to the 911 dispatch the other day, and there was some additional information conveyed in that. You've heard this by now, I'm sure?

Speaker 8:
[60:57] Yeah, it was heartbreaking to listen to.

Speaker 10:
[61:00] Based on what we know and what she conveys and having, again, told the dispatcher that we'd had some conversations, and he'd been saying, if things keep going this way, seemingly talking about, I think, his memory and some problems he had begun to experience. He had seemed to make some statements that she conveyed to the dispatcher that were strongly suggestive of why he may have left the residence without his personal belongings, and opted to take a gun with him. That's heartbreaking, and meeting our fate and the challenge of being a human and getting to a point in your life, as many do, ultimately we all pass from this earth, but when we're faced with our mortality and questions about it, everybody reacts differently. In my opinion, that is a circumstance that that family has to be able to cope with on their own terms, and it's tragic, but it's deeply personal. And it's kind of unfortunate, in my opinion, that people are out there trying to speculate and conspiracy theorize about it. And here's the group that kidnapped him, and here's why they wanted him, and here's what its relationship was to the UFO community or to the war in Iran or whatever else. And now all these other scientists should go in missing too. For all we know, maybe they are. But personally, I haven't seen enough convincing evidence that distinctively links or gives me clear evidence of the connection between those missing scientists. And I know that there are going to be people who will dispute that. I'm going to be the UFO bad man for saying this. But again, we sometimes need to remind ourselves, my humble opinion, to step back, respect families and the tragedies that they've had to go through and endure. It ain't easy, I'm sure, what Neil's family is going through right now. And I would caution people against trying to perceive patterns right now in an apparent data set where there may not be any patterns. That's all I'll say.

Speaker 8:
[62:54] No, and I completely respect that. You know, I was guilty of kind of following those threads and trying to go down those patterns. And you know, I was the Charlie from It's Always Sunny. I had the cork board with making the connections and we did an episode on it. And, you know, the more I, yeah, we all do that. Yeah. And upon reflection, I was even asked, I'll be completely upfront. The interview that I did with Steven Diener, the Unidentified Alien podcast came out today. And we talked all about past cases and stuff like that, you know, your Tehran's, your Rendleshams, all that. But we originally, he wanted me on the show to talk all about the McCaslin, Wright-Patterson connections, all the murders and missing people. Because I had come out with an episode about it. And I thought about it, Micah, and I was like, no, I can't, I can't do it. To the point where I'm at the point where I'm thinking of taking the episode down. Well, you know, and people, people will say like, oh, you already got all the downloads, doesn't matter at this point. But the more I think about it, you're, it's hard because we want, we want this all to be true. And like you said earlier, going back to that want to believe, we want to believe Wright-Patterson has been holding all the secrets and McCaslin was in charge of all of it. And this is what's going on right now. But he has a wife, he has kids. These other missing people have families. We have to keep that in mind when it comes to these conspiracies we concoct in our minds in the FO field.

Speaker 10:
[64:41] We do. And to your credit, I wouldn't take the episode down. Do exactly what you're doing right now. Issue a statement. Tell people, okay, I changed my opinion and here's why. I mean, I had to challenge myself to look at this differently. Make of it a educational moment, which you can use to convey to other people. And Ryan, you're brave to do that. I've got to say, being the person who pours cold water on those conspiracy theories, it will never make you popular. Trust me, I get, you know, I mean, I actually, there are a lot of people who are very kind with their feedback to me, but I get a lot of pushback from people, you know, and you're part of the conspiracy. And that's going to happen, unfortunately.

Speaker 8:
[65:30] Okay, so what do you think of sort of the counterpoint to this whole thing that Micah brings up there?

Speaker 2:
[65:37] I think the counterpoints are always really important. I am not in the counterpoint camp yet. You and I have been on disparate ends of this one for a little bit, and that's okay because it takes all kinds of eyes on a problem like this to come up with something and press it forward so that those who know something might come forward, but to me, it's just too much that is too connected. So I'm not willing yet to say, oh, it's nothing. It may be nothing. It may be wild coincidence, but I'm not there yet. I guess I'm in the middle. I think something's up. Radar says something's up, but I'm not committed.

Speaker 8:
[66:23] Now, there's a lot of things, like I said, I agree with, and now after like, now ask me tomorrow, and I'm going to have a different idea. I'm going to...

Speaker 2:
[66:36] Well, bodies keep dropping. I mean, my goodness, it's hard not to get, you know, shaken baby syndrome.

Speaker 8:
[66:41] Right. Good point. And I want to make something clear. In that clip, I said, it's this want for us to believe in this. I don't mean believe in these poor people missing or being murdered. That's not what I'm talking about. They want to believe that it could be connected to UFOs and all of that sort of stuff. So I don't know, Suzanne, I struggle greatly. I kind of came into this livestream as this being my nail in this story, like I'm done with it. I don't want to cover it anymore. I feel like I've said what I've needed to say. I don't have enough knowledge of all of these people or the connections to responsibly talk about it or come to some grand conspiracy conclusion, as I've seen other sort of YouTubers and stuff do. Not in the UFO field, surprisingly. Like a lot of the people covering this story in the UFO space have been pretty respectful and responsible with it. Some not so much.

Speaker 2:
[67:49] Um, but I think when a thing like this happens and it makes it to a US president's desk in some kind of classified briefing that he probably should not have even been mentioning, I think there might be something there.

Speaker 8:
[68:05] There's a there there. There's a there there.

Speaker 2:
[68:07] Your favorite saying. Now what that is, you're exactly right, Ryan. You and I are not going to solve this mystery. It's not going to work like that. Uh, then Micah and Corbell, it's not going to work like that. Um, what's happening on the inside of the American government is how they're going to get to the bottom of this or choose not to.

Speaker 8:
[68:29] Yup. And I'm going to say something that, uh, people will be on both sides of as well. Do an investigation.

Speaker 2:
[68:35] Yes.

Speaker 8:
[68:36] However, Suzanne, there are going to be those that say, what a waste of fricking money.

Speaker 2:
[68:41] I know, just like money.

Speaker 8:
[68:43] These congressional UFO hearings in Aero. It's such a waste of money in this. Um, so I understand both sides of that too. But if we are going to get to any answer on this, yeah, there has to be some sort of investigation. It's with anything, it's worth looking into. I guess.

Speaker 2:
[69:02] Even if it's a foreign nation, maybe it's a foreign enemy, you know. Right. They need to figure this out. You know, it's not okay for it just to sit out there like this.

Speaker 8:
[69:12] Yeah, exactly. Because what that will do is it'll create more. That that gap of uncertainty will create more conspiracy. This list is going to get to 50 people, 100 people, a thousand people. And then you've got that three body problem movie where that's literally what that movie was about. These scientists getting off for like exposing aliens and stuff. So exactly. It's all dizzying. This is a dizzying story. It's extremely dark. It's not something I thought we'd ever be talking about. But I guess, you know, I don't personally want to cover it again, unless there's a major development or an investigation or something.

Speaker 2:
[69:57] Yes. And I think that's where you leave it. It's a healthy place to leave it. This looks like something. We're not sure what it is, but we've said everything we can say about it. And so until something else happens, another dramatic step, there's really nothing to talk about.

Speaker 8:
[70:12] Exactly. Even though we talked about it for 35 years.

Speaker 22:
[70:15] Even though here we are still talking about it.

Speaker 8:
[70:18] I'm glad we did though, because like it's helped me, because like I was really like, really, this is really getting to me. I'm like, should I take that damn episode down? Like was it too disrespectful? I don't think that.

Speaker 2:
[70:33] I don't think it was disrespectful. I think the concern was stated well. That's where we still are, both of us, even though I'm a little more concerned about a conspiracy than you are, it is a concern. It's a concern. It's worthy of investigation and truth-telling.

Speaker 8:
[70:53] The truth. That's what we want. That's what we want. Well, hey, an hour and eight minutes. Can you believe that? No. No. That was our stories for tonight. Like I said, guys, we're really whittling it down to get this more accessible for you guys, to go enjoy your evenings or whatever of your evenings you have left here in Europe. Also, the second night of WrestleMania is tonight, so your boy has to go watch. CM Punk beat Roman Reigns, so that's what I'm doing. But before we go, we have some pretty exciting announcements to bring up. The first one is going to be about this. We now have a hotline. What we want you guys to do is in 90 seconds or less, that's the amount of time you have with this hotline. Send us your questions, your comments, topics you want us to discuss on future live streams, questions you want us to answer on future live streams, topics you want us to do on the podcast. This is your opportunity to get your voice onto Somewhere in the Skies and Somewhere in the Skies Live as well. I have put a link in the show notes to our speak pipe, it's called, so you can click that link in the show notes and leave us a recording. It can be 90 seconds or less. And yeah, we want to make you guys more of a part of this, other than just the super chat and the live chat. Like this will be a way that after these live streams, you can go and still be a part of it for the next episode. And again, I'm all about building this community and making you guys more a part of it. So it's not just us talking or my blurry ass face on your screen. So yeah, yeah, this is our-

Speaker 2:
[72:42] Very exciting.

Speaker 8:
[72:44] I'm really excited. And I do want to shout out one of our loyal listeners and live stream watchers, Richie. He was the one who sent me an email and suggested this. So I thought that was really, really cool. A really cool idea. Something I never really thought about. And Richie also came up with another cool idea. You guys out there, I know, cause a lot of you have sent me your UFO videos that you take. Whether you're out and about and you caught a UFO or some weird unexplained phenomena in your house or outside or whatever, I get these emails all the time. And I don't necessarily, I'm not in photo analyst. I'm not a videographer. I'm not even like a UFO investigator per se. I play one on TV, but I'm a researcher, I'm a writer, I'm a podcaster. So I cannot single handedly, neither you or I can like come up with the conclusion of a video.

Speaker 2:
[73:43] That's right.

Speaker 8:
[73:43] But we can open it up to the community to have a conversation about it. So I think that'll be fun.

Speaker 2:
[73:51] I also think the chat is a wealth of knowledge and experience. Oh my god, they're the best. So I think this will suit them so well.

Speaker 8:
[74:00] I think you're right. So basically guys, if you want to reach out to Suzanne and I through email, both of our emails are in the show notes. You got a new email. Do you want to give that one out?

Speaker 2:
[74:09] I got a new email. How about suzannesomewhereintheskiesatgmail.com?

Speaker 8:
[74:16] Amazing. Once again, that's suzannesomewhereintheskiesatgmail.com.

Speaker 2:
[74:22] That's right.

Speaker 8:
[74:23] Perfect. I'll start putting that in the show notes. I don't even have a somewhere in the skies email. Mine's just boring.

Speaker 2:
[74:29] I know. You got to get with it.

Speaker 8:
[74:31] I got to get with it.

Speaker 2:
[74:32] And you're in Gmail. They'll let you do that now. So I can keep my old one, but they'll give you that. I think they call it an alias.

Speaker 8:
[74:39] An alias. Love it. I love it.

Speaker 2:
[74:41] An alien for aliens.

Speaker 8:
[74:45] So yeah, guys, if you have a UFO video, you want us to take a look at and show on the streams and talk with the community about, like send it to us through email.

Speaker 2:
[74:54] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[74:55] Or we'll find a way for you to get it over to us if the file is really big. We'll figure it out. Reach out to us through email. Again, mine's in the show notes. Suzanne is suzanne, somewhereintheskies.gmail.com and send us your voicemails through SpeakPipe. Links are in the show notes for that. Lastly, dropping in just a couple hours, the UAP debrief with Micah Hanks will be on your main feed of the podcast. Two hours, we talk, Suzanne, about everything.

Speaker 2:
[75:25] That's amazing. I'm not surprised.

Speaker 8:
[75:27] It was incredible. He loved having Micah.

Speaker 2:
[75:29] He got a wealth of knowledge.

Speaker 8:
[75:31] So much. So, so much. So level-headed, willing to entertain everything. Funny as all hell, and I just love having the guy on. Incredible guitar player. He showed me his new guitar he got before we went on air. Ooh, that thing is sexy. I'll leave it at that. I'll leave it at that. We also did a bonus 35-minute episode for Patreon, Apple Premium and YouTube members. So you get an extra 35 minutes with Micah Hanks, where he answers all of your listener questions, guys, that you sent over to us on Patreon and through YouTube members. So you can check out that bonus episode right now on YouTube. If you're a member, click that member button. Link is in the show notes, patreon.com/somewhere in the Skies, or click that subscribe button on the top of your Apple feed to become an Apple Premium subscriber. Oh, good Lord. That is it. Do you have anything else before we go, Suzanne?

Speaker 2:
[76:27] I don't. Everyone have a wonderful weekend.

Speaker 8:
[76:31] Yes. Have a wonderful weekend, guys. Again, your code word is Los Alamos. Put that in your Apple Podcast, Review or Spotify comment. But yeah, that's going to do it for us. Again, a very special thanks to our super chatters and super stickers. Really do appreciate that, guys. And lastly, Suzanne, hold on.

Speaker 2:
[76:52] Okay.

Speaker 8:
[76:53] Hold on. All right. I got that. I got my WWF hat.

Speaker 2:
[77:03] Switching gears.

Speaker 8:
[77:04] And my winged eagle title belt.

Speaker 2:
[77:09] Where's the little bitty one that you accidentally ordered?

Speaker 8:
[77:11] Oh, God. Don't. That's a story for another time. Yeah. I tried to order this and I got a tiny, tiny one. Damn, this thing is heavy.

Speaker 2:
[77:21] I got my winged eagle. Oh, Mike Gallagher says the poll.

Speaker 8:
[77:23] The poll. Oh, my God. It wouldn't be a live stream if I didn't forget the poll. All right, I asked. I feel like an asshole now with this poll and I'm wearing this. But the poll was, do you think the missing and dead scientists are all connected? Out of 60 votes, 45% of you said yes. 13% said no, 31% said some of them, and 11% said undecided. So a large majority of you believe it is connected. So there you go. I think so too. 13% no, 31% said some of them. That's kind of where I'm at right now. I think they're like you said, the answer is somewhere in between. The answer is definitely somewhere in between. Yeah. But yeah, I got to go watch WrestleMania Night 2. You got to get back to your house.

Speaker 2:
[78:15] To my house. Yeah, we did. Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[78:18] And see what's going on there. But thank you, Suzanne, for joining us tonight. We will probably do a impromptu live stream watch along this Wednesday. If you guys are around. I don't know what time yet. We'll figure that out. But you'll see it pop up here in your notifications on YouTube. I'll put it on social media. We'll watch something and comment on it. Our Whitley Streber one, that got so many downloads. I was very, very astounded by that podcast downloads. We put it on the podcast and you guys loved it. We'll do more stuff like that. We did a whole retrospective on the life and the experiences of Whitley Streber.

Speaker 2:
[78:58] Yes.

Speaker 8:
[79:00] So that was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2:
[79:01] A lot of fun. The chat's a lot of fun too. We stop and we talk about whatever's happening or what someone in the chat has said. So very casual and a lot of fun.

Speaker 8:
[79:10] It is. It is. So we'll do one. We haven't figured out what yet, but it's going to happen. But I got to go. It's almost WrestleMania time. Thank you guys. Thank you for joining us tonight. Suzanne, special thanks. Special thanks to all our super chatters and regulars. You guys are amazing. Continue the conversation over on our Discord. Link in the show notes for that. And yeah, it's going to do it. Thank you so much. And remember, guys, keep your feet on the ground, but never stop searching Somewhere in the Skies. Go see a punk!

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