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Speaker 1:
[00:16] Welcome back to Two Judgey Girls, this is Mary from the Bay, and it's Courtney from LA, but we are not in either of the places that we reside. Mary, where are we?

Speaker 2:
[00:24] We are at Baha Mar. Courtney, we got the yacht.

Speaker 1:
[00:28] I cannot believe this is our first brand trip, I'm calling it, because one, let's just start off by thanking everybody, because we wouldn't be here without you guys, without your support, without listening to us, and I know we constantly thank you guys, we will continue to do so, because none of this would be possible without all of you supporting us, so thank you, but we have to break down what's happening here.

Speaker 2:
[00:53] You guys, we are filming in a studio recording this podcast live from the Bahamas. Baha Mar is so legit.

Speaker 1:
[01:01] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[01:02] We're staying at the Grand Hyatt, it is incredible. Yesterday, I go out to meet Courtney, we're on a white sand beach, I mean, the water is crystal clear blue. I just dived in like a mermaid. I was like, Courtney, haven't been in this warm of water since like Thailand 10 years ago? Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[01:20] No, this is, it was amazing. Also, let's just talk about this studio. So they built a brand new studio to record podcasts in, and that's why we were invited. We're like, are you serious? Hell yeah. Can we talk about how gorgeous it is in here though?

Speaker 2:
[01:33] This is the nicest studio we have ever filmed, podcasted in, and can we live here?

Speaker 1:
[01:39] Literally moving in, I would live in the studio studio. I'm like, okay, there have been times where I'm sick in my bed recording an episode. Look at this. We're on a gorgeous couch. It's floor-to-ceiling windows. It's just, we're vibing in here, and I feel like we could move. The decor, everything, this is our vibe.

Speaker 2:
[02:00] Also, I love that people can look in right now and watch us recording it. It's very cool. I feel like kind of VIP.

Speaker 1:
[02:07] We are VIP. Let's tell you why, because when we came, we both flew separately, obviously. We live in different places, but we were both met with a VIP escort. I've never been somewhere where they have the sign, and it's like, VIP, Courtney Frain. And I'm like, me? And I could tell the people I were walking off with were like, who is she? Who is she? I'm like, just one of the judgey girls, seamless through there. They walked me through customs. Got me straight to the Baha Mar desk, Baha Mar, then threw me into, and gently threw me obviously, into a nice private escalade where I was escorted to the property. VIP, I literally was like, I think they've made a mistake, but I'm not going to say one word.

Speaker 2:
[02:47] I also love when a hotel is close to the airport. So it was a 12-minute drive, and then you're literally on a white sand beach. There's like 10 plus pools. It's really cool, 10 plus.

Speaker 1:
[02:59] I feel like there's like 35.

Speaker 2:
[03:02] Well, it's really cool because we're staying at the Grand Hyatt. I'm on the top floor.

Speaker 1:
[03:07] Penthouse, baby. It is so exclusive.

Speaker 2:
[03:09] Like I put on 27, people are like, so who are you?

Speaker 1:
[03:14] Don't worry about it. She just put on her gifted Ray-Ban aviators and said, I'm a celeb.

Speaker 2:
[03:20] I'm Mary from the Bay.

Speaker 1:
[03:24] By the way, this was Charlie's first flight. It was.

Speaker 2:
[03:26] I would give him a B plus. He did great overall.

Speaker 1:
[03:29] Because we both took red eyes because we're like, we need to take advantage of every single moment. Yes. But you are also someone who rounds up.

Speaker 2:
[03:37] He got name-minus. He did. Well, first airplane trip. I mean, he's an international guy. He's got his passport stamp, Bahamas. But honestly, the rooms here are so nice. I also have laundry, which you know having a child, having laundry is so nice. Let's talk about your shower yesterday.

Speaker 1:
[03:55] Okay. So the way that our rooms are set up is the shower is like a glass shower, but you can see it from the bedroom, right? So like my guest isn't here yet. And so you also have the ability to like pull a door over so you can't see into the shower. But because I was by myself, I said door wide open. And when you look through the glass, you can look through the window and you can see the ocean. I'm salt burning my way through that room, like just dancing, like murder on the dance floor, just me.

Speaker 2:
[04:21] Murder on the dance floor.

Speaker 1:
[04:22] And I'm just like dancing through like, yes. And I was like, this is fantastic. I was like, I hope my guest flight is delayed. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2:
[04:30] Well, the best part too is that you don't have to plan everything. You can literally stay here and do everything. You guys that got the casino, you know, I love a casino.

Speaker 1:
[04:38] Okay, walk us through the way you do a casino because, you know, they do say that robots or machines, there's no mind, but you think you can still trick it.

Speaker 2:
[04:48] You can trick the machines. So what you guys do is take out $500. You put in all $500 and the machine thinks you're like a high roller and then you trick it and then they let you win at the beginning. Maybe you win like 100, 200, then you stop.

Speaker 1:
[05:00] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[05:01] And once you're up.

Speaker 1:
[05:01] Self-control.

Speaker 2:
[05:02] Yeah, and then you get out and then you're done.

Speaker 1:
[05:04] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[05:04] And then that's your drink money. It's a system.

Speaker 1:
[05:07] It's a system. I think it works. It's like you go into that casino, though, you feel like you're in Vegas. Like the signage, I feel like I'm in Vegas. It's Vegas on water, I think you've been saying throughout the week. We also were like, okay, yesterday, we were like, we got to get a lay of the land. We got to go all around and see every piece of this because we need to know what the hot spots are. Totally. Every spot is hot.

Speaker 2:
[05:28] No, there's so many.

Speaker 1:
[05:29] There's a jazz bar, like John Batiste owns that. And I love John Batiste. He's so fricking cool. He is so cool. My driver yesterday was talking. He's like, oh yeah, I've driven him so much. I'm like, tell me everything. I love him. But there's that. We popped in, we didn't have a reservation last night. We went to Katsuya. We thought we were going to be like bad girls last night. We ordered our martinis. We're getting our sushi. We're like, let's go to bed.

Speaker 2:
[05:55] Well, because we had Summer House to talk about, but the food was so good. We got sushi rolls. We got, oh, I love the crispy rice with the dinner. Oh my god.

Speaker 1:
[06:03] So delicious.

Speaker 2:
[06:04] But also today we have cabanas.

Speaker 1:
[06:07] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[06:07] And it's so family friendly. Like I have Charlie, they have those pools that are like, you walk into the ocean.

Speaker 1:
[06:12] So he's a little lagoon pool. Yes.

Speaker 2:
[06:14] But there's, you guys, there's like 10 plus pools. Yeah. And then today we're at a cabana, infinity pool, looking out at the most beautiful, gorgeous, like Bermuda Bahamas, come on, pretty mama. I mean, this place is insane. We're gonna get massages.

Speaker 1:
[06:31] They also have a legit water park. And you guys, yesterday, I was like, Mary, I hear there's a lazy river. Let's go.

Speaker 2:
[06:37] I was like, on it.

Speaker 1:
[06:38] Okay. So what's the title though? Lazy river. This girl grabs a float and starts sprinting in the lazy river. I'm like, excuse me. And like, there's a lot of single floats and then the double floats. And Mary is zigging and zagging. And like, as if like I'm stalking her, I'm like, I'm sorry. I'm just like trying to like trudge along, like get closer to her. This girl's legit 30 yards. I'm like, can you stop? It's called lazy river.

Speaker 2:
[07:01] I was getting my steps for the day.

Speaker 1:
[07:03] I mean, but it was like, people were like, is she with you? Like, I don't know if she knows she is or not. Like, I was like, I think she thinks I'm legit stalking her. But I think you were just getting a lay of the lazy river. I was.

Speaker 2:
[07:15] I mean, there's so much to do on this property. I love that we never have to leave, but we can go to a jazz bar. We can get a massage. We can go in the ocean. I'm so excited. We were at the pool till seven o'clock last night. I know. Living our best lives.

Speaker 1:
[07:27] And I also feel like too is that we need to be doing this yearly. Like, we need to be coming back. I mean-

Speaker 2:
[07:33] No problem.

Speaker 1:
[07:33] Also, like, buy yearly. Try yearly.

Speaker 2:
[07:36] Do you guys want us to move in?

Speaker 1:
[07:37] Yeah. Should we just move in to the studio here?

Speaker 2:
[07:39] I think they do have residents.

Speaker 1:
[07:42] Don't tempt me, okay? I'm like six months in a day. I'm a Bahama citizen, perhaps. We'll see. But it's truly been the best, and we have so much more time to go here that I can't wait to recap the rest of the trip for you guys next week when we are back. I think, though, we do have to really get into the nitty gritty of why we're here, because we were like, the perfect place to talk about Summer House is while we're on our vacation brand trip.

Speaker 2:
[08:10] That's right. We need to talk about Friday, because Courtney and I had recorded a podcast, and we're like, do you think we're going to have a sighting of them over the weekend? I was like, definitely. They're definitely going to do something. I would have never guessed they decided to go to a Yankees game, like the most public place. How many people are in a stadium?

Speaker 1:
[08:30] But not only that, the day of Sierra's Glamour Magazine release, and then they are spotted at the Yankees. Now, to be fair, it was a Kansas City Royals Yankees game. Obviously, we know West is Kansas City. But to me was just like, those are comp tickets. If you're going to go, say it with your whole chest. Like, you better be front row, behind home base, none of this incognito 200 section. Like, I want you down on front row.

Speaker 2:
[08:59] I love how you pointed out. I mean, I think they were in the 200s, and I'm being generous.

Speaker 1:
[09:04] I couldn't figure it out where they were, but I was like, not close enough. No, they weren't.

Speaker 2:
[09:09] They were not.

Speaker 1:
[09:10] Like, I feel like he texted someone at Complex, was like, could you get me a couple of tickets to the Royals game tonight? And then they like bummed those tickets and showed up. And here's the thing, it's like, I get it. You guys are dating, you're going to be out there. It is what it is, but you're really trying to sell us something. And if I was them, I think I would probably be public, but not like so hardcore together.

Speaker 2:
[09:34] Going to the Yankees game was a lot. And you guys, let's talk about the kiss cam. Was it an actual kiss cam or they just caught the moment that they kiss? And then what did Amanda say in reaction?

Speaker 1:
[09:46] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[09:46] There was so much happening.

Speaker 1:
[09:48] So you guys wait.

Speaker 2:
[09:48] Also, when I actually saw it, I got like, I'm like getting hives. Like I just got the heebie-jeebies. I got the chills and I just, I couldn't believe my eyes. Like this kiss, it was, it was, you know, it wasn't like tongue or something, but it was like a casual kiss. But I just was like, this is like real. I don't know. I knew it was real, but it like really cemented it for me.

Speaker 1:
[10:12] Well, it's also just like jarring because we've known Amanda only with Kyle. We know Kyle's had other people, but that's besides the point.

Speaker 2:
[10:19] I feel like on The City, she's going to be like, do you know how many girls he's cheated on me with?

Speaker 1:
[10:23] Like she's going full scorched earth, I think so. So, okay. I got some more details about the kiss. So apparently, this is all via Bravo and cocktails. So apparently, someone had sent Bravo and cocktails, letting them know Amanda and West were at the game. And then another follower was like, well, my husband's a camera operator for the Yes Network. What section are they in?

Speaker 2:
[10:48] Oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[10:48] So this was like the work of followers and Bravo and cocktails to catch them. So the camera operator apparently was just kind of sitting on them until something happened. And then it went like so viral. They caught the kiss because I'm wondering, like when the kiss happened, like is the camera operator just sitting there? Like how do you catch? I mean, they're in the 200s.

Speaker 2:
[11:06] You guys, it was also like slow mo. I think the slow mo really affected me as well.

Speaker 1:
[11:11] You didn't like it being slow mo, you wanted it fast.

Speaker 2:
[11:15] I felt like I wasn't supposed to see it either. Right, right, right. And because his reaction after he realizes it's on camera and then his shoulders are up, and then he notices and he's like, oh, they got it. And then what does she say? Because lip readers, you guys, this is like, what do we think this is, the Royals? People are so stalking them and obsessed and like, it's kooky.

Speaker 1:
[11:38] I just keep thinking that the world is so dark, is like, let us have this, is the way that I've been viewing it. So they kiss and then after the kiss, lip readers are saying that Amanda said to him, act like you like me. Now, they also said before the kiss too, was she said, fuck it, what's the point at this, what's the point? So I think that was said in jest. I actually, there was somebody else who was at the game too, sitting a couple of rows behind or in front of them and was like, she was rubbing his back all night. Seems like they really like each other. Another video caught him though, I think getting really excited that Kansas City had done something. And so he was up and rooting and maybe being heckled by Yankees fan. She was tugging on his shirt and pants to sit down. Like, oh God, no, he's there. He's in the 200s, let him root for his team.

Speaker 2:
[12:32] I also hope they really like each other. And I think genuinely Sierra's mood at the reunion is going to be like, I genuinely hope you guys love each other, really care about each other and get married because like you fucked us all. Like you fucked the show, you fucked me, like you, this has to be worth it. This has to be worth it. And I just, I really am worried about West. I just after this episode too, like, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[13:01] They off the social media. So after the game two, there was a video of them walking through the concourse and then someone got Amanda reaching for his hand to like hold it. And then they were spotted out and like West posted a story and it was like all of his boys and Amanda, it might be her shoulder in the front of the story or it's somebody else. I don't know, there's a striped sweater. So if it's striped, you could probably figure out Amanda's in one. That girl's always wearing a striped sweater now.

Speaker 2:
[13:25] I appreciate a stripe.

Speaker 1:
[13:27] Every day though?

Speaker 2:
[13:28] As I'm wearing a striped shirt.

Speaker 1:
[13:30] You look great, Mary. It's linen, fake crew. It's not the stripes, it's just the continual striped sweater and like jorts.

Speaker 2:
[13:36] Okay, also let's talk about her outfit because she was wearing jorts, which you wore jorts at Coachella.

Speaker 1:
[13:41] I love a jort.

Speaker 2:
[13:43] I personally, it's not for me. It's just not for me. Sorry.

Speaker 1:
[13:47] But.

Speaker 2:
[13:48] Then she wore cowboy boots and then she keeps.

Speaker 1:
[13:51] No, they were just knee-high boots, not cowboy.

Speaker 2:
[13:53] Really? I felt like a Western vibe. I did.

Speaker 1:
[13:56] Was there a spurt?

Speaker 2:
[13:57] Was she wearing like a camo hat as well?

Speaker 1:
[13:59] She's wearing a camo hat and like an oversized leather jacket. It's almost like she's trying to hide, but then this week she's wearing a similar outfit.

Speaker 2:
[14:07] Don't you feel like she's like morphine into his style?

Speaker 1:
[14:11] Yes, but then I see her this week in that oversized lover boy, and I'm like, are these depression clothes?

Speaker 2:
[14:17] Yeah. Oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[14:18] There's so many layers. Okay. So then too, they go out. Then the next night, they're also spotted, and they're spotted at a random dive bar again. And did you see this? It's kind of funny. So somebody guest posted on Reddit and was like, my friends and I were out at Barrow Street Ale House last night in NYC, and lo and behold, those two waltzed in with his friends. Everyone was taking pics, and at one point, someone waited outside of the bathroom to talk to Amanda. The girl literally talked to Amanda for like 10 minutes, and I was shocked she was even talking to fans. All I could get from her lips was, thank you so much for saying that I appreciate it. Brianna Chickenfry was there too, and my friend was petty and played a Zach Brian song on the jukebox, LOL. Also, Wes smelled like BO and she was wearing that striped sweater again. I just, it's like those-

Speaker 2:
[15:03] You've commented about Wes not showering, and then I also saw like something online, like showering is code for something else. Are we gonna shower tonight?

Speaker 1:
[15:12] It's like the pasta. Yes. Also, like, don't be a narc.

Speaker 2:
[15:15] Let them party if they're gonna party.

Speaker 1:
[15:16] I mean, you don't get the party without it from them, I feel. It's like, whatever. But it's just, I think for me is like, I just keep thinking like, I think you guys are going out because you're trying to say it doesn't bother you, but also it does bother you. So then you're like putting yourself out there, but then you're also getting the negative reaction. It's like any PR is good PR, but I'll tell you, I don't think they have PR.

Speaker 2:
[15:38] No, I don't think they do either. And then you put up like a TikTok summarizing the Friday night, the Yankees game, like everything that happens, you know?

Speaker 1:
[15:47] That I had seen at that point, because somebody did, like I said earlier, someone did say they seemed like they were in love. And I felt like I'm like, do I need to like asterisk this? Is anyone gonna see it? That's what I had seen at that point.

Speaker 2:
[15:57] Right. But then Kyle, Saturday morning, Kyle was like, I wasn't ready to see all of this. Like he was in our DMs, you guys.

Speaker 1:
[16:05] But I think it wasn't necessarily my listing. I think it was definitely the kiss video, which is funny because obviously like the night before he had kissed Meghan King Edmonds because they were like, are we tooled?

Speaker 2:
[16:17] They were at the page six event, like a party. And then Kyle just was like, well, you know, I was like giving her like a kiss goodnight.

Speaker 1:
[16:24] Well, he'd said, because we had also said it too, he was like, do they know each other? They didn't. He didn't know who she was. He was introduced to her. I think she was talking about her divorce. And so they were like commiserating over it. And then the camera just happened to catch him giving her just like a goodnight kiss.

Speaker 2:
[16:40] Who would have ever thought Meghan King Edmonds and Kyle Cook were going to be together at a party and talking about their divorces together.

Speaker 1:
[16:48] I'm telling you, it's like that Bravo name generator of just throwing people together, like how does that happen? But you know, I was thinking about it's like, should we feel bad for Kyle? And I do think there is like something to feel bad for, because it's got to be like jarring to see your friend and your ex kissing even though you might be a kissing bandit as well. But it really is like wild where you're like, okay, like maybe I know that Amanda has told me about this and I've seen random pics of them together. But to see the kiss, as you said, it made you feel icky. I have to assume that whole Summer House circle is like, what the frick? Did you also hear too? Apparently on Saturday night too, there was some party and West was there and then Jessie was there and Jessie had brought Kyle and they did not talk.

Speaker 2:
[17:33] I mean, not shocking, but at the same time, I'm like, this is kind of the best thing that could have happened for Kyle this season in terms of like, this season is his worst season ever. The way that he spoke to Amanda all season long.

Speaker 1:
[17:51] You dumb bitch.

Speaker 2:
[17:52] Like, I mean, the things that he called his own wife, and guys, we're forgetting it. Loverboy is sold out. I mean, it's so strange because literally he was losing his business. He was losing his marriage and now we've saved his business. Yeah. I wore my Loverboy sweatshirt on the plane ride over.

Speaker 1:
[18:15] Oh, you did stop. We've got to get some pic of you and Loverboy just taking it international. Couldn't find it here. Couldn't find it at the bar in Baha Mar.

Speaker 2:
[18:25] But I'm just like, we can't forget that. This moment is saving him in so many ways, even though I'm sure it breaks his heart. But at the same time, I'm like, also I thought about the timeline.

Speaker 1:
[18:37] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[18:38] And should we take a break and talk about the timeline?

Speaker 1:
[18:40] I think that's a perfect idea.

Speaker 2:
[18:46] So let's talk a little bit. So Wes did his own podcast. Yes.

Speaker 1:
[18:51] And released Monday.

Speaker 2:
[18:53] He said there's no overlap. He was very clear about that. What do you think?

Speaker 1:
[18:58] Okay. So he says there's no overlap. Well, this is what we've wanted to believe. But I'm telling you guys, while I was packing, I put on Old Summer House. And by Old Summer House, I mean season 10, episode one, because I was like, well, I'll just see. And in the premiere episode, when they come out to that carousel, because it's the country fair themed party, the way he introduces himself to Amanda joking like, hi, I'm Wes. And the way she like looks at him and lingers, I'm like, this is, cause you're just looking at everything so differently now.

Speaker 2:
[19:25] I'm like, well, I mean, she could have had a crush on him forever, but obviously I can't act on it.

Speaker 1:
[19:30] Right. So, but it was like, you just look at everything so differently now, which I fricking hate. You guys know I hate this, but I'm like, is there something going on? I don't know. I still want to believe that something happened maybe 2026. Now he says, there's no overlap. She's still married. So I do wonder the overlap of where we say this, but that's okay. Cause you know, Kyle and Mo are separated.

Speaker 2:
[19:51] Right, right.

Speaker 1:
[19:51] They're not divorced.

Speaker 2:
[19:52] Right.

Speaker 1:
[19:53] But he says things got more serious in February. So when did it fricking start?

Speaker 2:
[19:59] Which you guys, when was the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1:
[20:00] February 8th?

Speaker 2:
[20:02] When we were on the boat with West and Kyle. I just like cannot get over that moment, because they could have up at that point.

Speaker 1:
[20:09] Not only that, Mary, hold my hand when I tell you this. February 3rd was the Watch What Happens Live with Amanda and Sierra.

Speaker 2:
[20:18] I just, you guys, I just.

Speaker 1:
[20:22] So the timeline is really interesting. And actually, this thread from at your bravo bestie xx, you are bravo bestie xx, does like a deep dive. And so let me take you through the timeline and you give me your commentary crew.

Speaker 2:
[20:35] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[20:35] So it's a timeline audit. So since West confirmed that him and Amanda got together in February, January 19th, Amanda and Kyle announced joint separation statement on social media.

Speaker 2:
[20:47] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[20:47] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[20:48] Then you have, which also there was so much rumblings because they basically in October moved out. That seems like, but even though they came to BravoCon as a united friend, you know what just keeps sticking out to me?

Speaker 1:
[21:01] Tell me.

Speaker 2:
[21:02] When she did that funny thing in Gemma's gingerbread house. This is my new home. And I'm like, it's not really funny because you were actually living apart. And I feel like she was trying to say then, we're actually still together. So I just feel like she's not trustworthy.

Speaker 1:
[21:18] Well, the hard thing is our DJ sister. God, we're going to have to five points of the star her. The crazy thing is, is that you're like, okay, if I want to take everything you're saying at face value, that's one thing, but it's really hard to trust people. So it's like when Wes says there's no overlap, you're like, I want to believe you because I want to see the good in someone. And we keep trying to see wicked for good.

Speaker 2:
[21:41] Yeah. Still haven't seen that.

Speaker 1:
[21:43] Well, you're not allowed to sing in it. But you can watch it on the plane right back, by the way. It's there.

Speaker 2:
[21:48] Oh, okay.

Speaker 1:
[21:49] But I think what's crazy is like, you're like, okay, let me take you up face value. Let me take you up face value. And then you're like, but there's so many lies. You're being strategic in the way you're revealing this because I think at that point too, her and Kyle had a united front of let's say we're together still, but then in the city is going to reveal this. So strategically, it's our storyline.

Speaker 2:
[22:07] Yes. And I don't think Bravo says like, you can release this then. I don't think they do that, to be honest.

Speaker 1:
[22:13] No.

Speaker 2:
[22:14] It's like your personal life. They chose not to share that yet because I do believe they were still dating. Remember, she moved out and they were going to date.

Speaker 1:
[22:22] That was kind of- Exclusively date. Yeah. Yes. Yep.

Speaker 2:
[22:24] Okay. So she moves out in October. They put out this statement. What was the date again?

Speaker 1:
[22:29] January 19th.

Speaker 2:
[22:30] And so January 19th, they basically decided they're going to divorce.

Speaker 1:
[22:34] And that's because- Well, no, it's not even-

Speaker 2:
[22:36] I think they just separated.

Speaker 1:
[22:37] Do you want me to reread the statement?

Speaker 2:
[22:39] No, no, no. They did say separate, but to me, they decided they were going to divorce.

Speaker 1:
[22:44] This was it.

Speaker 2:
[22:45] They tried to date. It didn't work. That's in my head.

Speaker 1:
[22:48] Yes. Okay. Okay. I see what you're saying. Yeah. So February 3rd, Amanda and Sierra on Watch What Happens Live, very much best friends.

Speaker 2:
[22:55] The cutest episode together.

Speaker 1:
[22:57] And remember too, people keep posting this, they ask, Sierra and Amanda, who do you think will date first? And Amanda says her. Amanda will date first, which is crazy.

Speaker 2:
[23:07] Well, because she already was dating someone. No. Okay. I think at Watch What Happens Live, nothing had happened yet.

Speaker 1:
[23:17] That's what I think. So you think something between February 4th and February 7th, and then February 8th was Super Bowl?

Speaker 2:
[23:23] Keep telling me.

Speaker 1:
[23:23] Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2:
[23:25] Because now I'm like questioning it. I feel like they've been together for six weeks at this point.

Speaker 1:
[23:31] I think that they have maybe drunkenly hooked up at that point. Because if you remember, Super Bowl has went, well, let me keep going on the time like I assume this is in it. Okay. So then February 8th, West and Ciara are at the Super Bowl with us. Pre-Super Bowl, we didn't get tickets because whatever.

Speaker 2:
[23:46] But that's besides the point.

Speaker 1:
[23:48] But they are together and I think something happened between the two of them there, Ciara and West.

Speaker 2:
[23:54] I will believe that. Okay. But do you think Amanda and him are already hooked up at that point?

Speaker 1:
[24:01] You do. Yes. Because at Super Bowl, let me see if it's on the next slide. At Super Bowl, Brianna Chickenfry had told Dave Portnoy that they were hooking up. So that's why I think January.

Speaker 2:
[24:13] Ow. My heart is hurting right now. You're right. Because why would Brianna Chickenfry say that?

Speaker 1:
[24:20] Right.

Speaker 2:
[24:21] So they had. I didn't want to believe that.

Speaker 1:
[24:23] I'm sorry. Okay. Then rumors surrounding West and Ciara hooking up in February. That happens. Dave Portnoy claims he knew West and Amanda were hooking up at the time of the Super Bowl. And then March. Now, if you remember too, in the beginning of March, it was the first rumors of Amanda and West.

Speaker 2:
[24:41] Yeah. And we were like, no way. Absolutely not.

Speaker 1:
[24:44] People were in our DMs telling us, and we're like, we know them. We don't know anybody. Okay? We know nobody. Okay? But they were like, people were in our DMs being like, no, I think this is really real. And I will refuse to believe. Well, and when it came out, that was when they had done the first We Feast, the Hot Ones. The Hot Ones competition with the cast. And then they went to Lindsay's house after. And Sierra was there and Wes posted that story with Sierra and Gemma.

Speaker 2:
[25:10] No, I remember.

Speaker 1:
[25:11] And I remember him posting a story and me DMing saying, Wes, your stories are about to, like your DMs are about to blow up. And he said, Ug, this is annoying. And I took that as him denying it. How naive I was. I'm just a girl who wants to believe the truth, I think.

Speaker 2:
[25:27] I didn't wash my face because of Wes Wilson. I mean, he couldn't have been more kind on that boat. It was, I was mesmerized by him. I couldn't admit it. I remember after, I was like, that guy knows exactly what he's doing. He makes you feel so special and that's what he does.

Speaker 1:
[25:45] I thought of a tagline for him. Stop.

Speaker 2:
[25:48] Tell me.

Speaker 1:
[25:48] Because, well, it's not necessarily a tagline, but I feel like he'd be like, I'm Wes Wilson. I'm so disarming. I'm charming.

Speaker 2:
[25:57] Say it again.

Speaker 1:
[25:57] Say it again. I'm Wes Wilson. I'm so disarming. I'm charming. Because he does really know how to include everybody. We'd said on that boat, we thought he probably looked up every single creator that was coming onto that boat. Every podcaster knew who they were, probably followed them. Like, I do believe that he wants people to like him. He wants to like share a good fun side of him. And I think he flew too close to the sun.

Speaker 2:
[26:22] He's personable.

Speaker 1:
[26:23] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[26:23] But like, is that his true character? You don't know him! But that's why all these girls like him. Because he makes you feel special. He makes you feel good. And maybe that's who he is, but maybe he just does it with too many people.

Speaker 1:
[26:37] I think he-

Speaker 2:
[26:38] Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1:
[26:39] He's probably a great friend and a terrible partner.

Speaker 2:
[26:42] Deera said that!

Speaker 1:
[26:43] Yes. And like, Amanda, this is who you threw everything away. Besides the point, okay. March 31st, West and Amanda make their joint Instagram statement. Okay, that's where the picture of Sierra was on the ground. I just hate that photo.

Speaker 2:
[26:57] I think that was really intrusive.

Speaker 1:
[26:58] But anyways, I hate that photo. And now we're obviously dealing with, and I think you guys will all remember too, is that the rumors came out to the day that March Madness, we were in our finals. And that night was the rumors that started happening, really came on thick there. And people were like, I want to change my vote. Obviously Rob won, which Rob, we're still waiting for a message. Like he's gonna block us on DM because I'm like, hey Rob, just wanted to follow up on our last 12 messages. We'd really appreciate it. But you know, that was where people were like, and by the way, he was in our DMs, West, the next day.

Speaker 2:
[27:34] You guys, thank God he did not win. But I've convinced myself, cause he sent us like 30 photos. He sent us so many photos. I think it was Amanda. I just, I really do. I really do.

Speaker 1:
[27:46] Which is weird cause Amanda's never participated on Kyle's behalf.

Speaker 2:
[27:49] But I think she's a different woman with West.

Speaker 1:
[27:51] Well, obviously.

Speaker 2:
[27:52] She's out on the street. She wants to party. She wants to be a dive bar. She wants to be the fun, cool girl.

Speaker 1:
[27:57] She said, let me find my best striped sweater, my best jorts for you guys.

Speaker 2:
[28:01] I know.

Speaker 1:
[28:02] Wait, I also think of like her fashion. I'm like, I don't want to make fun of her fashion.

Speaker 2:
[28:06] Everybody, whatever. No, we try not to be mean.

Speaker 1:
[28:10] We try.

Speaker 2:
[28:11] But they're judgey. We're judgey. And we're just giving our opinions. I want to talk more about his on the podcast because apparently Amanda's number got leaked, which I haven't seen anybody about this, and it got leaked and only one person messaged her.

Speaker 1:
[28:24] And was it West from a burner?

Speaker 2:
[28:26] Called her a home wrecking whore.

Speaker 1:
[28:30] Nobody should be reaching out to them personally. Like, and I know it's none of you guys, so it's not me having to say this to you, but it's like, we should be talking shit about them behind their backs like normal people, sending them a DM or like finding their number. It's strange.

Speaker 2:
[28:45] Also, there is a Bravo population that is rooting for this couple. Like, there's many people that are like, there is nothing wrong with this. They were, you know, there's no cheating as Courtney calls it the affair. But I mean, they're saying there's no overlap. I am choosing to believe there was no overlap. Like, I think this happened in 2026.

Speaker 1:
[29:11] Yeah, like December, January, I think something might have happened where they like drunkenly hooked up and then I know-

Speaker 2:
[29:16] When was the snow day?

Speaker 1:
[29:17] February.

Speaker 2:
[29:18] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[29:19] But so I know people are like thinking too, they're like, you guys are being so soft on them. Like, it's not us being soft. We're just trying to, we're trying to make sure, we're trying to get everybody the least hurt as possible.

Speaker 2:
[29:29] We're giving the facts. We have not been soft at all.

Speaker 1:
[29:31] I know.

Speaker 2:
[29:31] Like, we're Team Sierra and we've made that very clear.

Speaker 1:
[29:35] I don't know how else we have to say it, but we also think about nuance and we try to watch these episodes with different lenses of like, if I didn't know what I know now, or what I know now and how different things are, especially with like the re-editing. I also thought it was interesting too that Wes was like, you know, I've reached out to a lot of the cast. I haven't gotten responses back from everyone.

Speaker 2:
[29:54] Nia.

Speaker 1:
[29:55] I think most of the, I think the only person who's responded was maybe Kyle and definitely Jessie. KJ said his DM, he looked at his text. He doesn't have a single text in there.

Speaker 2:
[30:04] KJ on threads is so good. He is in the mix. He is in the mess.

Speaker 1:
[30:10] I would also wonder if Carl has maybe said something. I think people like Mia where she's like, I don't even know how to respond because you've hurt my sister. Yes. Sarah and Mia are sisters. They are not friends.

Speaker 2:
[30:22] They live in the same building.

Speaker 1:
[30:23] Yes. And I think it's like there's people who haven't responded. And I think there's people that are like, who maybe have responded and said, I don't know what to do with this. He didn't say what the DM or what the text were that he received back.

Speaker 2:
[30:36] Right. Wait, let's take a break and I want to talk about Carl. I am most curious about Carl's reaction at the reunion because we know Lindsay is going to come in guns blazing. Obviously, Mia and KJ are Team Sierra. I mean, everyone's Team Sierra. But I think for Carl, it's going to be super interesting because he took marrying them, like, very seriously. And I also think he knows Amanda and loves Amanda. And so I'm, like, really curious what his reaction is going to be. Like, is he going to accept this relationship and, you know, be by their sides? I'd be so curious the conversation that he's had with West at this point because I think Carl probably has talked to West right now.

Speaker 1:
[31:29] I could see him, like, with Amanda being like, what is happening? This isn't you. Because I do think we, you know, people are like, oh, well, Amanda's always been like this. Like, we don't really know, right?

Speaker 2:
[31:39] But they obviously know her without Kyle.

Speaker 1:
[31:42] Yeah. And so it's like when it comes to Carl too, I think, like, if Carl was disappointed in me, that would crush me the most from this cast. Like, who on the cast, if they were told you, like, they were disappointed, would you be like, I really fucked up Carl? I know. What a difference. Carl 10.0 is like, we, he's just, I think, so level headed now. He's such a catch.

Speaker 2:
[32:01] He is.

Speaker 1:
[32:02] Oh my gosh, he's blushing.

Speaker 2:
[32:03] I mean, come on, I've always loved him. I've always read it for him.

Speaker 1:
[32:05] Do you feel like him and Bailey maybe could strike up something this summer?

Speaker 2:
[32:09] I hope. That is my hope. Wait, and then let's talk about Jessie, because he filmed an interview. Tell me about that.

Speaker 1:
[32:17] Okay, so he was on, like, one of the local New York affiliate stations promoting his tour, right? It starts Saturday. We know the reunion's filming Thursday now, which is crazy. We're only a couple of days away. But the guy was like, okay, you know, I got to bring it up. We got to talk Summer House. And he was pretty funny. He's like, Summer House. Oh, right. Right. Summer House. Because obviously, they're going to bring it up.

Speaker 2:
[32:38] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[32:39] And he was pretty, like, I would say, like, even killed about it, where he just is kind of like, because he can't talk about it.

Speaker 2:
[32:47] Right, right. The gag order.

Speaker 1:
[32:49] Yeah. And so he just, I think, was kind of like, I just, you know, I hope everybody would have, like, he was pretty nonchalant about his response and that. I think he just kind of wants his friends to be okay. Like, this seems like a shit storm. And obviously, as you said, it affects them personally. It affects them professionally. Every aspect, this entire cast is affected by. Totally.

Speaker 2:
[33:11] And are you going on the tour?

Speaker 1:
[33:13] I mean, I guess I'll start looking for tickets. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[33:19] I know. I kind of feel like I have to go.

Speaker 1:
[33:20] Oh, wow.

Speaker 2:
[33:22] I feel like he doesn't like me. I also, I feel like he doesn't know me.

Speaker 1:
[33:27] He's like, does he even know?

Speaker 2:
[33:27] I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[33:29] He has no idea who we are.

Speaker 2:
[33:29] He's not very interactive, you know? And I feel like the cast of Summer House is very interactive with us. So I feel like he chooses not to be interactive with us purposefully.

Speaker 1:
[33:39] But I think it's not us in particular. I think it's like the accounts. I feel like I saw a little clip of him in some other podcast interview where he was like, I like really took a hit and it like, took a hit on my self esteem, which I think about it. It's like, the fandom is so, we're all so intense because we love this show so much. So like we love hard and we hate hard and we like judge hard. And so that's why we do Behind People's Backs.

Speaker 2:
[34:05] Right. Like normal people, be normal guys, no death threats.

Speaker 1:
[34:09] Yeah, please.

Speaker 2:
[34:10] No death threats.

Speaker 1:
[34:11] Oh God. But so I'm like, these shows are difficult. And I think too is like, and not to give credit to any men, absolutely not. But I think being a man on these shows too is like really hard because we so badly want the men to be good. And as soon as they like, we want you guys to succeed so badly. And then like when you don't, we're like, oh, I guess we gotta talk about it.

Speaker 2:
[34:35] But thank God we have KJ. And I want to retract my statement because we had done our reunion predictions. And now I think Darryl will definitely be at the reunion because they're gonna ask, I feel like there's gonna be a viewer question of like, because West and Darryl are previously dated. So they're gonna want Darryl's perspective on a lot of things as previously dated West. And then I think West's defense is gonna be like, well, how is this any different? Like KJ and Darryl are boyfriend, girlfriend now, and we're all friends. So why is it different with Amanda and I?

Speaker 1:
[35:14] That's gonna be a terrible approach if he does that. Do you think he'll do that? I think he's going to be mostly quiet. He did confirm in that podcast clip too, he will be at the reunion. I find it really interesting of that podcast clip from him too, is like, he's so staunchly defending Amanda in that. Like she's got the death threats. I think you guys should really put your energy towards me, but also isn't necessarily apologizing for what he did. Because I do think behind the scenes, the way that you're talking is kind of how he feels. Like, what does it matter? They were separated. Sierra and I aren't together. I can't believe there's all this. And then you watch this week's episode, and you're like, oh my god, how does this even get to that? And I know we'll get there.

Speaker 2:
[35:53] No, Courtney, I cannot need to talk about this week's episode.

Speaker 1:
[35:57] Like, yeah, it's absolutely insane. But I think the smarter thing for them to do is come as a united front and say this is the real deal. And like you said, like, I think Sierra's approach is like, if you guys are in love, then great, because you've ruined a lot of things by doing this. And so if it's worth it to you, I hope it is. You guys should be together forever. Wes, go buy the home in New Jersey. You and Amanda are gonna have the picket fence. You guys are gonna have the two kids.

Speaker 2:
[36:25] He still wants to be out, and I don't see him wanting to settle down anytime soon.

Speaker 1:
[36:31] What do you think the thought process is behind him continually going out? Like, I know I mentioned mine, but-

Speaker 2:
[36:37] I think he still wants to party. He still wants to have fun. But I guess he is choosing to just have fun, be out with Amanda-

Speaker 1:
[36:46] Did you see that TikTok though from this week too, from this past weekend? What was it? Okay. So it's like him, I think it was at his apartment. It must be his apartment. He's always with the boys? No. So he's dancing in this video, and there's two girls out of his apartment, and it looks like Amanda maybe comes from his room, and she's wearing an oversized Montana state hoodie, but the rest of them are all dressed up. And Wes is doing a dance move, and it's almost like a, here's what my outfit is or whatever, an outfit reveal. And Amanda comes in, so then the girls are like, Amanda, you go for it. And she's like, eh, you know, kind of being like a fun sponge. And then the girls come into frame when they're doing it. And I just thought she came out to stake her claim a little bit. I'm just worried because when I think about it for them, I hope it's the real deal. And maybe they really do. He's defending Amanda on that. He never once defended Ciara at any point. I mean, he literally did a New York Times article to say, right, he doesn't like her. They're not each other's people. He said that, and yet here he isn't defending her. So I have to think the level of seriousness is there, except that I'm like, I think he does this a lot. Well, I was thinking-

Speaker 2:
[37:53] I need to know, are they a label?

Speaker 1:
[37:55] That's what I was gonna ask. Would he have said, this is my girlfriend, Amanda?

Speaker 2:
[38:01] Are we not hooking up with them? There's no, I don't know. I don't think he's saying-

Speaker 1:
[38:04] What do you also think him-

Speaker 2:
[38:05] I don't think he's saying BFGF. I think they probably have the exclusive label, especially right now, like after that joint statement. But also, apparently, they've only been dating for six weeks and they're trying to figure it out. So maybe they don't have a label. And if she finds out these overlaps, because I'm sure there are overlaps, because that's been his thing. I'm in the streets. He has not wanted to be exclusive.

Speaker 1:
[38:28] Well, I'm wondering too if she said, if we put out this joint statement, you better not be doing anybody else.

Speaker 2:
[38:34] Maybe. I also think so much is going to happen at a reunion that they are going to have a lot of fights with each other post-reunion.

Speaker 1:
[38:46] Well, I thought, and I know we're going to get into the episode in a little bit, but I thought that it was interesting breaking the fourth wall between Ciara and West in their conversation where they were talking about the fans, the cameras and all of that. And so I think that's what you're kind of saying is like, they record the show, they filmed this show, and then they have to watch it back, and then they have to give interviews about it, right? They're like reliving these things in the moment it's happening, then they're doing an interview where they're reflecting back on it, then it airs, then they have to have the social media element. And now because of this, it's like because people are like, let's stop talking about them. Like, it'll die down once the reunion airs.

Speaker 2:
[39:22] And I go, Courtney, no it won't, because I already did the timeline.

Speaker 1:
[39:27] That's right, the in the city exists. This is worst case scenario for them actually.

Speaker 2:
[39:32] But not even that. So, okay, the reunion films this week, May 19th is the finale, so then we're gonna get at least three parts, which takes us in June.

Speaker 1:
[39:40] June 9th.

Speaker 2:
[39:41] To June, which then 4th of July. So they have like four weeks in between, and the city is gonna be happening. I mean, these people don't sleep.

Speaker 1:
[39:49] Well, I also was like, this is actually the worst timing for this to happen, because in the city starts the 19th once the show ends, then Hubbard is after them.

Speaker 2:
[39:58] I mean, she's gonna be scary.

Speaker 1:
[40:01] She's gonna just take it to... I did see that Lala actually posted a clip about her being like, so when this happened to us, my reunion, I went nuts. Her reflection back was kind of like, I hope the summer cast doesn't go as hard as I did, as we all did. And I'm like, is she having some really nice self-reflection? That's actually kind of crazy. I think there's just a worry of what is going to happen at the reunion. He released that clip before the reunion. Do you think that Bravo was pissed or do you think he's also trying to soft launch what they're going to say at the reunion? Because I was thinking, you keep going out. So are you trying to normalize this is, we're resuming normalcy according to you guys.

Speaker 2:
[40:45] For her mental health.

Speaker 1:
[40:46] Also, Dave Portnoy keeps calling her Amanda Batuglia. And I don't know why it's so funny.

Speaker 2:
[40:50] Tea by the seat, tea by the seat.

Speaker 1:
[40:51] Batuglia. But I'm like, are they trying to, when they say resume normalcy, are they trying to say, hey, you are going to see us out and this is normal. And so now we're trying to kind of, every time you see us, it's going to be like less and less jarring because here we are out again and we're like soft launching what's going to be, like, I keep just trying to think the thought process.

Speaker 2:
[41:11] They're trying to figure out if they like each other. And if, if they're going to be boyfriend, girlfriend.

Speaker 1:
[41:16] It just seems so messy. But like, do you think Bravo's mad that he talked about it before the reunion? Or do you think it was necessary for him to say something? Like that's the first time he's spoken about it since.

Speaker 2:
[41:27] Right. I think he was clearing the area. No overlap. He was getting ahead. He's, and I don't, I mean, how did Kyle get to do that entire street interview? So people have been saying a couple of things, which has been lovely for us.

Speaker 1:
[41:41] Well, it's funny too because we recorded all these episodes. And so as you mentioned, like the last time we recorded was Friday and all of this stuff happens. We're recording this Tuesday. And what I also think is funny too, and we'll get into the episode. But watching the screener and then seeing other people whose reaction who have also seen the screener before it airs and everyone is just like up in arms. I was just watching this episode being like, I can't believe the way things have shaken out based on these episodes. And then the re-editing because the funny part is, and you know, why don't we just take a moment here? Let's enjoy the rest of our coffee and let's come back with a part two where we break down the episode.

Speaker 2:
[42:24] Okay.