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Speaker 1:
[00:13] Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis, your host. And as some of you are watching live, you see the background, and you're saying, well, that doesn't look like my normal place. Well, it's my summer place that I go to. I'm in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. And I have a great guest tonight, and Ron James. We've got to know each other over the years. He's a great filmmaker, does an excellent job. And we're going to be talking about all kinds of things. I'm always excited to speak with Ron. And last time we saw each other was when I was out in Sedona at the Travis Walton thing last year. That was a really good time, great time out there. A couple of things. Well, since I'm saying I'm in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, I got to say I'm going to be going tomorrow to the Betty and Barney Hill. I'll pull that up in just a second here. Betty and Barney Hill were from Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Let me just see if I can get that. Yeah, I'm going to pull that website up just so people can see it. Because it's pretty interesting. The Portsmouth Historical Society is running a Betty and Barney Hill exhibition, and that is open. I'm going to go there tomorrow and I'm going to see if they'll let me film, things like that, maybe talk to a couple of people. They're having an event on September 4th, and I'm going to be here and I really am excited about that. And Kathy Martin will be, I do believe will be at the event. And so just a couple of other things. So we have our blog this week is timely as well. And let me get that up. And it is by Charles Lear, as always. And this is about the Chuck Clark video. Everybody's been talking about it. When something happens, I get a lot of texts and emails from a lot of different people. And thank you all for the people like Palmer and Paul and Phil and Peggy and all these different people get in touch with me when something goes on. I can't forget Bobby. Bobby always says since 2013 has been sending me all types of information here. So anyway, this footage showed up, I guess it was a Jesse Michael's video. And I have spoken many times with James Fox about this. And he said that it was the end all of videos. And he was trying to get it from Chuck Clark for many years and offered him money and all that. And somehow it got out and it's a VHS tape of it. They had a camera in the car and they sound like they're horrified. So I'm gonna try to get James Fox on to talk about that a little bit. We have our weekly, I should say our monthly UFO Headlines. It's gonna be on May 7th, on Thursday, once a month, UFO Jack and I do that. We're going to be doing that on May 7th. And hopefully I'll have James Fox in for a minute talking about that. There's a lot of, you know, things going on as far as when it comes to all the UFO news lately, as you all know, there's a lot happening. So this is, I'm going to bring Ron in. And let's see, let me just do it this way. There we go. Sorry about that, Ron. That's not always like, you know, my, my long time followers know that I'm just a lewdite. I'm terrible at technology and, and so they watch for entertainment to see what I'm going to do wrong next.

Speaker 2:
[03:51] I understand.

Speaker 1:
[03:53] Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. And I watched you on what is that called behind the scenes and MUFON that I tell us something? What's that called where you create videos? It's very, very complicated. I've used it.

Speaker 2:
[04:06] Oh yeah. Running the TriCaster during the live.

Speaker 1:
[04:09] That's what it's called. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of work. I've done that at Contact. I'm not Contact at the International UFO Congress. I used to do that there. And wow, that's a lot of work. A lot of work. Crazy. But so you have this film. We're going to be talking about one of the things is this film you have here, The Accidental Truth Next. And what did I see in Sedona?

Speaker 2:
[04:35] You saw an early cut of this film.

Speaker 1:
[04:38] Yeah. That's what I thought.

Speaker 2:
[04:40] The finished one's had a lot of more things done to it, and it's coming out June 2nd.

Speaker 1:
[04:45] Right. Yeah. And you're going to be actually at Contact in the Desert. It's going to be premiered there?

Speaker 2:
[04:51] Yeah. We're having the world premiere June 1st, Monday, June 1st at Contact in the Desert. Anyway, it's there. It's free.

Speaker 1:
[04:59] Yeah. And I'll tell you what, I can tell the audience where I was at in Sedona, we all loved it. It was really good. So I'm excited to see it. And so starting out, you and I both were at the, we went to Washington, DC, that's where we saw each other, one of the times we saw each other. That was frightening. Don't you think? You were at both of them, weren't you? Well, two of them, right?

Speaker 2:
[05:27] Well, I just did the two that week. I did the one where Lou Elizondo testified, and then I came back later for the one that Kirsten Gillibrand had.

Speaker 1:
[05:36] Oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[05:37] With Oslossky at Arrow, but I didn't come to the one after that.

Speaker 1:
[05:40] Right. I missed that one too. I wish I hadn't because that seemed like a really good one. The first one I went to with David Grush, I thought that was historic. It felt historic to be in that room.

Speaker 2:
[05:53] It was.

Speaker 1:
[05:54] Yeah. Yeah, that was a great time. Do you think we're the needles moving forward? What do you think? There's certainly people in the government that are paying attention to this now, and at least politicians, some politicians are, in pushing it, Luna and Burchett and Berlison.

Speaker 2:
[06:15] Berlison, yeah. You know, the thing is, Martin, we're going to get some form of disclosure through this political process, and many can say that we already have, but these guys are never going to allow the entire truth of this issue to come out through any process. And so even though it's heartening to see progress being made, it's progress towards the release and finalization of a predestined narrative that these people have decided to implement. It started publicly front-facing again in 2017. Can you believe it's been almost a decade since we got these videos and Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon and all these guys? And the question that we ask in the new film is, have we gotten any closer to disclosure? And the answer really, you can say, well, there's a lot of developments that have happened, but are we any closer to official disclosure of the entire truth of this issue? I don't think so.

Speaker 1:
[07:17] Yeah. Well, I've said all along that, I'll look at the doggy. We got a doggy in the background. Uh-oh, really down, Mr. Yeah, I've said all along that I don't think, you know, there's anyone that actually knows the full picture. And because of that, that's quite possible. Yeah. And because of that, we, I don't think it would be safe to release or they wouldn't never feel like it was safe to release it because how could they possibly say they could protect us from something? They don't really know the whole picture of, you know, that's true.

Speaker 2:
[07:52] And, you know, the whole history of this phenomenon from the time it started getting covered up officially in this century or, you know, over the last hundred years, the people that really had the bigger picture are mostly gone. And it's questionable, rather, this knowledge has even been passed down through organizations, even small groups. So the number of people on the planet that know the entire breadth of this topic are few and far between if they exist at all.

Speaker 1:
[08:26] I have I have asked the questions like that. I do believe I've asked when I had Chris Melon on actually, I was lucky enough to be the first one to interview him in 2015. Like Roswell, for instance, how is that? How does the legacy, whatever they did have, how does that move forward? Or, you know, I mean, it's just a big puzzle to me still. I don't really understand how that works. You know, it's a generational thing. How does the information move forward? And where does it go? And where is it hidden?

Speaker 2:
[09:01] And all that, you know, it's we hope, right, Martin, that somewhere there's this vault where the photos from Roswell and the wreckage and everything is still stored and the bodies if they found them. But it's all together likely that no vault like that exists. They probably, they could have just ported off some of the materials to different aerospace companies and destroyed the evidence. And that would be a tragedy to history. But the, you know, the military and the intelligence community has a way of literally destroying historical evidence. And hopefully that didn't happen. Maybe someday we'll get to see these pictures. I just got an email from a guy who says that he's working with someone who has shown some pictures and they recreated them in AI and swears that they're the pictures they were shown. And so it was two guys, two military guys kneeling in front of a body, in front of a craft. And the guy says, this is as close to the images I saw. So there's always gonna be that hearsay that comes out. But yeah, wouldn't it be great if they just whip that stuff out and share it with us? In a verifiable way.

Speaker 1:
[10:15] I know, that's the key, verifiable way, you're right. So in general, do you think the government is trying to prepare the public or stall the public more? I mean, that's what it feels like to me. But I mean, how do you feel about that?

Speaker 2:
[10:31] Well, I'm in the camp that says that everything that we've seen since 2017 is part of an organized rollout of information. They want to reshape the narrative so that everybody that was involved in this horrible cover up over time, the corporations, the things that have been done, the things that have been concealed, the literal crimes against humanity that have happened as a result of keeping this stuff secret, they've got to whitewash themselves of all of this and be able to present some kind of information in a way that nobody's gonna get in a lot of trouble over. So are we alone in the universe? Is there non-human intelligence interacting with us? We're probably going to get some kind of answer to that from an official stand, but they're gonna say, yeah, but that's all we know. And the things that we know have gone on since the early, late 30s, they're gonna continue to deny. And that's the tragedy of this official disclosure process that's unfolding in DC. It's only gonna get us so far. And that's what we talk about in the new film. This is, I take people on a tour behind the scenes in Washington, DC, and I show some of the things that we've actually done, and some of the conversations that we've had. But in the middle of the film, we just kind of throw our hands up in the air and say, you know, we're only getting to a certain point. We have to look elsewhere for the rest of the answers.

Speaker 1:
[11:59] And I've heard people say, you know, we need like, I think they call it catastrophic disclosure. In other words, a mass sighting or something like that. I mean, that would that would help. But and then I don't know what's what's happened lately. I've been really paying attention, unfortunately, but with the 46 videos that were supposed to come out as a have you heard anything more on that? I mean, I haven't really seen anything. Usually people send me everything and I haven't seen anything coming up about that.

Speaker 2:
[12:32] There's nothing new. I mean, they're supposed to come out a few days ago, I think, and Hexeth is on the record of saying they're going to release this stuff. But as with anything that's supposed to come out from the government related to this stuff, there's foot dragging and there's opposition and there's internal infighting. And Luna has pretty much said that, you guys are going to see these videos and then you're going to have to make up your own mind because our stance is going to be, we have these videos, we don't know what they are. And that's pretty much the position they're going to take is we don't know. And so there you go. And that's what we're going to get from them. So yeah, it's going to be like I said, it's a limited hangout of disclosure. It's not the whole truth of everything that's happened with humanity's interaction with non-human intelligence. And even if they're just only going to give us the bare minimum of information to fit the day.

Speaker 1:
[13:34] You know, I think that, hey, if they could put the videos out there and say, make up your own mind, I'm absolutely fine with that. My sure, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[13:45] Yeah, I mean, I understand that Martin, it's going to be cool. And you know, the internet will certainly speculate all over the place and there'll be podcasts, but it's still not the definitive, this is what we know. This is how it applies to the future of civilization. And you know, that's what we really want. That's disclosure with the big D, the whole truth. And so yeah, we're going to get some videos probably, hopefully, but are we going to get definitive official answers? Not likely.

Speaker 1:
[14:18] I remember Lou Alessandro like two years ago said we were going to see a 23 minute video. And I did ask him the last time I had him on and I can't really remember his answer other than that. You know, it may be coming. But I don't know what's in that 23 minute video, but anything that would get more people to look at this topic and take it seriously and more eyeballs you have on it, more people that are scientists that will actually stop and take a look at things like this, I think the better. So here's a question for you right here. And did you have something to say? I'm sorry I interrupted you.

Speaker 2:
[14:58] No, I was actually going to bring up this question. So, okay.

Speaker 1:
[15:02] And this is just so the listeners, people that hear audio only. So Christopher is asking if you, Ron, can share your thoughts about the scientists who have disappeared. A lot of people talking about that.

Speaker 2:
[15:15] It's a big story. And, you know, yeah, so I was doing some of my own research on that. And what's really interesting is that, you know, two of the prevalent ones, and let me let me grab my notes here. You know, we have McCasland, who disappeared, the general that oversaw everything, a Wright-Patterson. If anybody knew what was going on there, it was this guy. And the fact that he left his house with nothing but a gun is really, really, you know, nobody wants to talk about it. But there's a really good case that, you know, once you're in this field, you know, you're an agent, you're a high ranking person with classified information. There may come a time when you are asked to unalive yourself from this planet and given the time window and the opportunity to do it however you want, you know, because there's very few other explanations for what this guy did. If all of it is true and for and I've been looking into it and it seems like it. And then we have, you know, some of these other people like Monica Riza, she was a scientist that did some materials research and came up with an alloy that they use in space flight. Now, the interesting thing about her is that she, this alloy that she supposedly developed had memory retaining shape shifting capabilities, just like night and all that we were in the first Accidental Truth movie. We traced night and all back to Battelle Memorial Institute and we traced it back to Roswell and we traced it to Wright-Patterson. Despite the fact that this official story is that it came out of a Naval weapons research laboratory, just not true. So she was working with similar alloys, which stands to reason that she had access to some of these exotic materials. So that's an interesting connection. Then we have this other guy, Frank Maywald, who I think got killed on his porch.

Speaker 1:
[17:16] The MIT? Was it MIT?

Speaker 2:
[17:18] I think it was. No, it was JPL. Yeah, he was a JPL. Died in July 4th. But the thing that's interesting about him, remember Linda Moulton Howe's material? The layered bismuth. Gary Nolan is literally still studying that stuff. Last time he told me, he says, yeah, it's anomalous. There's things about it that we can't explain. One of the things that we weren't able to explain at the time is how that material got all those layers, some of them microns thick. There was never a decent explanation for that, but that was before we had 3D printing on our radar screen. Gary speaks of atomic level 3D printing and molecular level 3D printing. When I asked him about that, he thinks it's quite possibly Linda Maltinhal's material was 3D printed at a microscopic level. This is a little bit convoluted, so just stay with me on this. The theory behind some of these materials is that if you subject certain materials and certain alloys to a certain terahertz frequency, these alloys serve as waveform guides and can create anti-gravitic properties of craft that they may be surrounded by. I have a video of a very young Travis Taylor testing Linda Maltinhal's material and subjecting it to terahertz frequencies and it's vibrating all around, jumping up off the thing where a normal piece of aluminum just stayed. So why does this have anything to do with this guy? Well, it turns out that Frank Maywald was the guy that developed, among many other things at JPL, terahertz frequency sensors. So you kind of ask yourself, well, why do we need a terahertz frequency sensor? If there's any truth to the idea that certain terahertz frequencies can generate anti-gravitic effects when fed through certain alloys, then a terahertz frequency detector would be able to detect these craft. And, you know, this is just a very, very interesting connection between the work that this guy's doing and things that we already know about. And so, yeah, the the the terahertz frequency detector, why do we need that? Why is it important? And how is it connected to UFOs? And that's that's the connection. So all these people have these these certain compartments that they were working in that seem to be having connections to things that we already know, or at least have theorized about UFO technology. And some of these connections, you have to look pretty deep to find them, like the one about the terahertz sensors. But yeah, they're all connected. My concern is that, you know, we set up Aero, not we, but Kirsten Gillibrand and Congress, to protect whistleblowers. But what we've come to find out is that Aero is more interested in identifying whistleblowers than it is in facilitating their ability to come forward. So we're dealing with the one thing all these people have in common is that they all have the potential to disrupt the narrative that they're rolling out to us. They've all got some kind of connection to this technology. The general knows everything that's underground at Wright-Patterson. And so that, you know, these are people that when they start rolling out this story, they can, they're the ones that can come forward and say, oh, no, that's not true, or, no, I worked on this program. And so my guess, and it's pure speculation, but I think that this is a collection of people that through some mechanism had expressed an interest in coming forward. And if we find out that's true, I know a couple of big reporters are investigating it because I fed them the tips. If that turns out to be true, it's going to be very, very earth shattering.

Speaker 1:
[21:36] Oh, my God. Right. And I've heard it's up to 12 people now.

Speaker 2:
[21:40] I don't know if there's another one that just it just brought up. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[21:44] Yeah. And I saw something on someone posted it today. It was out there and someone sent it to me. And I'm trying to remember her name was Amy something. I believe I might have that wrong. But it was just someone. It was kind of like another name just added recently. So yeah, it's been really something.

Speaker 2:
[22:06] And the connections, you know, it's like on the surface, there seems to be a connection. But then when you start digging deeper and looking for, well, what was that connection? These connections are there. And that's what makes it even more compelling.

Speaker 1:
[22:20] Amy Eskridge.

Speaker 2:
[22:23] Yeah, I haven't had time to brush up on that one.

Speaker 1:
[22:25] I think that's who I heard about this morning. Someone sent that sounds very familiar to me. But yeah, I mean, it's really makes you wonder if, you know, I mean, you can't help but feel like it's got to be a conspiracy when there's all these connections.

Speaker 2:
[22:45] It's true. And you know what's frightening is that why would they be doing this? Again, my theory is that they're about to float this story, this narrative that they've been priming as for since 2017 and that narrative is basically, we don't know what they are. We haven't been reverse engineering craft. They're there, but we're as in the dark as the public. And these are all people that could disrupt that narrative. And that's what's really scary is that if you look at what these people did, it's clear that most of them, some of them you can tell right off the bat and some of them, have to do a little more digging, had access to tech that was attempting to be reverse engineered. And that's not a stretch. So one of them was doing anti-gravity research. It's just like, it's crazy. And so the idea that people are actually in danger now, they used to threaten people in Roswell, it's a big desert out there, they hate to see you get lost. You know, we'd like to think that those days are over and that nobody's getting killed over this anymore, but it looks like we're all in danger. You know, even Lou one time not too long ago sent me a text and just keep your eyes open. And so I hope they're not coming for the filmmakers next. That's gonna be a bummer.

Speaker 1:
[24:07] Yeah, speaking of that, you know, I mean, films that are coming out, you know, like Steven Spielberg, a lot of people are talking about that. Like there's a, I think there's some hints dropped. Of course, it could be for publicity, but that there is a bit of truth and the disclosure day. And, you know, supposedly there was a clip that was shown that in the movie, that's supposed to be something real and that's gonna be, you know, exciting to see as well. I'm really looking forward to that one.

Speaker 2:
[24:42] Hey, so we got a question from Tony. You wanna put that one up? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[24:46] Yep, all right. Yeah, Tony's, I think Tony's from the UK, if I remember right. Here we go. All right, so how proactive is MUFON in the so-called disclosure process? I may be missing something, but I don't see any representation for MUFON in the conversation with the government. Well, there was some.

Speaker 2:
[25:08] Yeah, there's a lot. You know, the new movie covers a lot of this, but MUFON has been very busy in Washington, DC. The only thing is we haven't been out talking about it a whole lot or shooting our own horn like some have. In the new film, we talk about some of it, but MUFON has a lobbying group that has been working with us in DC. We've had meetings with over, we've had over 300 meetings with different members of Congress. I've personally met with Tim Burchett, Kirsten Gillibrand, Eric Berlison, Andre Carson, and that's just me in meetings with these people. And in the new film, we finally kind of spilled the beans about what we've been doing. We were even instrumental in some of the language that got crafted into one of the UAP disclosure bills. So yeah, we've been very busy behind the scenes in Washington and a lot of stuff that you've seen bubble up is because of work that we've been doing. So, again, MUFON is doing what MUFON needs to do for sure. And in the new movie, we actually blow the lid off some of it.

Speaker 1:
[26:13] Yeah. Yeah, we'll be talking about that. So there's a continuation of The Missing Scientist, that we have someone right here and about. I didn't realize that it's now being investigated by the Trump presidency. Have you heard anything about that? I'm not going to get into the news myself, so I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 2:
[26:35] David announced that they're going to investigate that. So they're using AI to find connections and blah, blah, blah. The FBI is looking into it now. That'll be great if something comes up, but frankly, the people that are doing the work shouldn't be the ones investigating the work that's being done.

Speaker 1:
[26:59] Right. Exactly. So here's a question here about, basically, who's going to be taking Nick Pope's place? He was a great investigator. He was a good voice out there. Yeah. We lost another one. That's too bad. I know you knew him.

Speaker 2:
[27:18] Oh, boy. I knew Nick. Sorry, I'm a little speechless. I'm still torn up about it. Before I ever got into the UFO field as an investigator and a video maker, I used to read UFO magazine. Nick used to write a column for UFO magazine while he was still actually sitting at the Ministry of Defense. I remember reading his columns and thinking, this is really cool. We got a guy inside a government who's openly talking about UFOs and being friendly to the UFO community. It was him and Stanton Friedman, who was a bonafide scientist that was talking openly and candidly about it. These were the guys that I was their fan. Then Steve Bassett hired me to produce his X-Conference in 2008, and that was the beginning of my really taking a track in this field. That's where I got to go and I got to meet these guys. All these people I'd seen on TV, it's, hey, there's Richard Dolan, there's Nick Pope, there's Stanton, there's all these people that, that's when I met George Knapp for the first time. And so, Nick was really good to me for the entire time I knew him. I must have interviewed him seven or eight times. And he is all through the new movie. I don't know if it's the last film that he's ever appeared in. But yeah, it was too late to dedicate it to Nick in the credits because it had already got turned in before he passed. But I really am gonna miss Nick Pope a lot. He was a personal friend and he was a friend of the productions that I've done. He's been in every documentary I've made.

Speaker 1:
[28:59] Wow, yeah, yeah, I really like-

Speaker 2:
[29:01] Every UFO documentary.

Speaker 1:
[29:03] Yeah, I did a little, when I found out he passed, I did a little thing on him with a bunch of pictures and stuff. A lot of people watched that and I'm grateful for that. I communicated with him toward the end. He was grateful for some of the things that I discussed with him, that he really meant something to a lot of people. Anyway, yeah, I miss him too.

Speaker 2:
[29:35] Yeah, I wrote a piece about him for the WOW Newsletter, and it might end up in the MUFON Journal. But yeah, he's in the film.

Speaker 1:
[29:44] Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And let's talk about your film, because you've worked on that for a while. Two years. Two years, yeah. And so do you want to give like an overview of that without revealing, you know, we want people to watch it, but we got to just talk a little bit. I know there's filming in Washington. You have several people in there. If you would, just go ahead and give like an overview of it.

Speaker 2:
[30:14] Sure. So, you know, Accidental Truth came out in 2023, and it won 28 Film Festival Awards. And a lot of people said it was one of the best UFO films that had ever been done. And what I noticed is that after that came out, we've pretty much been getting the same movie, just recycled through different filmmakers, but nothing new. And I didn't want to make another UFO film until I could move the ball, because I felt like I moved the ball with Accidental Truth. I really did. That's how I felt. You know, opinions may vary, but that's what I set out to do, and I think I accomplished it. But with Next, you know, it's like, well, okay, so where are we and what's next? We pick up where we left off in the first Accidental Truth film, and I take you, the viewer, on my adventure through Washington, DC, where I'm able to document things that we have done behind the scenes that you guys wouldn't believe it if we hadn't documented it and showed it. You know, like one of the things that's really interesting that you're going to see in the film is how we were sitting in the back of the hearing room while Lou Elizondo was testifying, texting questions to ask Lou, to Congressman Eric Berlison in real time.

Speaker 1:
[31:31] I remember you're telling me that.

Speaker 2:
[31:33] That's he actually asked Lou the question. We were the ones who texted him the question to ask Lou about Lockheed Martin having those materials, and Lou answered it accidentally blowing the lid off the whole Lockheed Martin story. And then, yeah, and I'm right behind you back there somewhere. So, you know, in the first Accidental Truth movie, we were questioning this material story that Bigelow Aerospace was supposed to get materials from the government, and Robert Bigelow denied that he ever got them. At the time, I thought that Robert Bigelow was being less than truthful, but it turns out that, yeah, Lockheed Martin was the company that had the materials, and somebody blocked the transfer of those materials to Robert Bigelow at Bigelow Aerospace. And it was during the hearing, in real time, that that story got confirmed by Luella Zondo, and it was because of us, like I said, live, texting the questions. So, you'll see that in the film. It's a lot of really fun behind the scenes stuff in DC, and then afterwards, you know, we kind of just get to the point where we're realizing that we're only going to get so far with disclosure in that environment. So, then I take off to Ohio, right after the first hearing. I go to Ohio, I visit a guy who's got some UFO materials that have been studied by a lot of people. Even Lou Elizondo and Tom DeLong went to this guy's house to get samples of this material. It's a very well-known UFO story. So, we go to pull samples out of this, and very strange things happen while we're pulling the samples. And I have some right here. And in the film, you'll see what happened when we went to test this stuff. But I returned with the samples to turn in on the day of the Aero hearing. I returned with the samples. I turned them over to Kirsten Gillibrand's office to be tested by Aero. And so, there's reports out there that Aero finally released where they say it's not very important material. But there's other studies that we did at the same time that are raising more questions. And we have samples of this material. For any bona fide person or lab that has the ability to test it, we'll provide that to you. So that's in the film. And then, Martin, where we go is, the reason it's called Accidental Truth Next is because, okay, let's just agree that non-human intelligence is interacting with humanity. What are the questions we need to be asking now? And so we take, we go from three really interesting materials cases into Rizwan Virk and Whitley Strieber and Diane Hennessey Powell and Dr. Gary Nolan, and Thomas Jane, the actor, and we're exploring what all of this means for humanity. And people, by the time they get to the end of this movie, we're just going to be like, what? We're giving the audience a whole new set of things to think about. And so it's, people have told me it's a fascinating journey from the nuts and bolts of Washington, DC to the edge of our reality, all in one film. And it's already one, it's up to nine film festivals that we've already won and the film's not even out yet. And once again, Maudine narrates, Thomas Jane, the actor's in it. And what she didn't see at that screening we did, we replaced the entire music track and Alan Haworth, the musical genius behind all the John Carpenter movies, Halloween, Christine, Escape from New York, he does a completely original soundtrack that Sony Music is releasing as well. So I can't wait to see how it hits the audience.

Speaker 1:
[35:33] Yeah, excellent. Yeah, I'll be there for sure. So here's a statement from the long time listener who's in chat most weeks. No real progress over 80 years yet few would agree to reevaluate the methods and assumptions of ufology. Doesn't make sense. I just wonder what you thought about that comment.

Speaker 2:
[35:53] Well, you know, he makes an interesting point. You know, MUFON's been around for 57 years, roughly, I think 57, and their whole premise was that we're going to pick up, Project Blue Book stopped, we're going to create a civilian organization to pick up that work. And so for all these years now, that everybody's chasing lights in the sky and looking for pictures of flying saucers. This is way beyond that now. And reevaluation is, I think evolution would be a better way to say it. But we have to take all these other things into consideration because we're not going to get to the true answer of any of this without starting to look at some of these esoteric teachings and phenomena. The experiencers are really going to be a bigger and bigger part of the story because they are being communicated with and it's time to quit it to start taking them seriously. And so, no, we can't continue to look for answers in Flying Saucers and Government Secrets. The answers are way bigger than either of those little categories.

Speaker 1:
[37:07] Right.

Speaker 2:
[37:07] So, yeah, the entire field is about to evolve and I think my film is going to be helping people to figure out what the next... This isn't about giving you guys answers. It's about furnishing you with some ideas for the questions that we should be asking.

Speaker 1:
[37:24] My friend Dean Alioto has a movie. He's going to be screening there as well, Contact in the Desert, and that's on experiencers. So I know he's been, I've been talking to him about that. A long time he's been working on that. So that's another exciting one to see while you're there. I had Capron on last week, and I was telling him how excited I am to go again, to Contact, because it'll only be my second one. I know you've gone to many, but I'm so excited to go there. When I talked to Nick Pope there, he said, he didn't think he originated it, but he said, what did he say? It was the Woodstock of UFOs or the Burning Man of UFOs, something like that, I can't remember what he said.

Speaker 2:
[38:11] It used to be that even more when they had it in the middle of nowhere, and if you wanted to go to it, you needed a tent, and the people walking around smelling like patchouli because there were no showers. I'm glad that it got moved.

Speaker 1:
[38:32] I think that was one of the reasons I was holding me back is because I was thinking that it was still like that, and I'm not really one to go out. It's so hot out there anyway to be out there. I don't know. So I want to just say thank you all for being in chat. I appreciate your questions anytime. You want to put a question out there for our guests. Please do put them in caps so I don't miss them. What's next? I always have to ask people when they have a really big project in the can because it seems like people are always thinking, what are they going to do next? Do you have any plans?

Speaker 2:
[39:11] Well, I'm working on a, I can actually say this now, I'm helping JJ and Desiree Hurtock work on a documentary about their work in the Keys of Enoch, which they're dear friends and I consider JJ a very profound spiritual teacher. So I'm doing that as a project. I have a new one that I'm doing with Michael Schratt called Stringfield Theory, where we have taken some of Leonard Stringfield's best cases. He was one of the original UFO investigators. We have brought these cases to life with some super cutting edge AI, and so we're going to some of his cases and reenacting them. That's really fun. I'm doing a project with Tobi from the Roswell Daily Record. Believe it or not, Roswell, the gift that keeps on giving. We've got new materials, new witnesses. All kinds of stuff that's popping with that. Those are right on the immediate front burner, and then I'm working on some music projects. Oh, that's right.

Speaker 1:
[40:11] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[40:11] I'm busy for the foreseeable future. Then of course, I've got to do the media rounds for the film. It's like you finish the film and then the whole other thing starts. Six months of podcasts and showing up at conferences and stuff.

Speaker 1:
[40:25] Yeah. Yep. So as far as kind of looking forward, do you think that, I mean, I haven't heard about any more hearings or anything like that. I mean, I don't know if that's going to even help at this point. I mean, I know that people that are more on, I want to say balancer skeptics side will say, we need the nuts and bolts. Let's stop doing this until we get the nuts and bolts. And, yeah, what do you think about that? I mean, I think that would certainly be great, but we haven't seen any of that so far.

Speaker 2:
[41:03] Well, you know, I think that people have, you know, like Tim Burchett, there's a video that I put on not too long ago where he's talking to me about Trump and disclosure. I think it's in the hands of the administration at this point. And so there is this back and forth. And the Congress themselves, they're not really acting autonomously anymore because they're plugged in at the White House. So and people can say what they want to say about Trump, good or bad, I'm not entering that fray. But he's going to do whatever he does with this information in a manner that suits whatever purpose he thinks he needs to fill. So could we get some kind of disclosure as a distraction? There's people that are saying that. Is he just going to take it upon himself to gift humanity with this knowledge? Who knows? But decisions are being made at the upper echelons beyond Congress right now. So I know that there's been plenty of witnesses being paraded in front of these guys. And like Eric Burleson to this day says, well, I'm from the show me state, so you have to show me. And one of my last questions to Eric was, I know some of the people that have been through your doors, and I know some of the places that you've gone. If you haven't been shown yet, then there's something seriously wrong. So I think these guys are now, they used to be in the position of they wanted to know the answers. Now they're in the position of a lot of them have been told the answers and they can't share them. So once that happens, you become part of the problem.

Speaker 1:
[42:39] A lot of times I've seen like the question of it being steered toward our possible adversaries instead of NHI when they're posed these questions. And the one thing that I think is kind of a blanket for them is national security. Like we can't really talk about this because of national security. And so that's what you often hear. And I heard that the administration said, okay, let's release all the information, let's get it out there. But I don't know how far that will go. You know, I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[43:18] It's not going to go very far at all. There's major pushback. You know, there are national security implications to this. But you know, there's also a lot of other reasons that they need to keep it a secret. And so like we said in the beginning of the interview, there's only going to be so much information they're going to give us. And it's going to be tempered with, yeah, here's a weird video, we don't know what it is. Have fun. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'll tell you, here's something that I observed. And what we saw with the very first hearings, remember when Moulton and Bray came forward from the DIA and they were questioned and they denied everything?

Speaker 1:
[43:59] Yes, I remember that. I was watching that, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:02] Marco Rubio was very vocal about this topic, right up, I mean a lot, right up until those hearings. And right after those hearings, they had a private briefing in a classified environment. And when Marco Rubio came out of that briefing, he hardly ever talked about the topic again. And then when he appeared in Age of Disclosure, talking about things that he'd been told, he was interviewed about that. I don't know if people saw it. He literally threw the film under the bus. He said, well, that wasn't things I knew about, those are just things I was told. And the way they edited it was very creative. I guess they're trying to sell movies. I mean, he dissed his own interview. And my theory about that is that once these guys are brought in to a point where they're given enough information, they are also in agreement that there needs to be secrecy. And that's why they quit talking about it. And it's like Tim Burchett is coming out now saying, they've told me some things that would keep everybody awake at night.

Speaker 1:
[45:03] Right.

Speaker 2:
[45:04] And I have to agree that there's some elements to this that are way worse than we think. I've got Nick Pope in the new movie talking about the secret too terrible to be told. And I remember that lecture he did. Yeah. So yeah, once you're taken into a room and you're told, look, I'm going to give you some information, but you can't tell anybody and you agree to that, then you become part of the problem. You become part of the cover up. I've been taken into those rooms and had people say, I'm going to tell you something, but you can't share it. And my answer every time is, well, that's not why I'm here. I am here to get information from you and give it to people. So I'm not going to carry the burden of your secret. So if you don't want me to put it in my next film, don't tell me. And because I don't want that, I don't want to be one of those guys who's been taken in a room and told a bunch of shit that I can't tell you. It's like, then I'm one of them. And I'm stuck in the same box that they are. And I can't serve my audience by making those kind of agreements.

Speaker 1:
[46:15] Right. And it's like when I've had Lu on, you've talked to him many times. Oh yeah. It's like, he can't say certain things and it's hard for him and it's hard for people listening to him because they want him to say it, but he would, he just can't. So here's a, I don't know if I totally agree with this, Dr. Richard, when did the government become the all and all of ufological research? I think that we're looking for them to do more. And that was, you know, Project Blue Book, you know, you all the way back to Grunge and all the other things that we've looked for them to do. But I think a lot of that is, has been over the years more window dressing than anything else myself.

Speaker 2:
[47:01] Well, you know, John Alexander, who everybody, anybody who knows who he is, knows that he's probably one of the original guys who could tell you that he'd have to kill you. And his whole statement about government's role in this is it's not what government does, you know, and even Lou will say things like, look, we're not here to serve the idle curiosity of a few, we're here to protect the country. And so, you know, it never really became some obligation of government to go out and research this stuff and then come to us with answers. And truthfully, there's been more civilian research done. Granted, we don't have a flying saucer in our garage. But, you know, the civilian community has kept this research going far more publicly than the government. And somebody's asking about false flags.

Speaker 1:
[47:52] Yeah, I'm going to put that up right now. So, do you take seriously the concerns that some faction of the government may be planning a false flag fake attack by invaders from space?

Speaker 2:
[48:04] Well, you know, that's the whole Project Bluebeam thing. Richard Dolan wrote a really interesting book. And I don't think he ever put it out. It was about false flag operations through history. And him and I talked about this at length in relation to Project Bluebeam. And I tend to agree with him. He said it's very, it would be really hard to pull off. In this day and age where we have so much access to video and technology, and everybody knows that you can't trust anything you see anymore. So to really pull that off and convince the population that's what was going on, A, there'd have to be a pretty good reason to do it. And B, it's just getting harder and harder to be able to pull something like that off. And convince people.

Speaker 1:
[48:51] Right, right. This is just a comment. Thank you for that, Steve. And let's see if we have any other questions. So, well, I think this has been a great night and I am really looking forward to seeing you out at Contact in the Desert as always and how it's good to see you. And I'll definitely be there during your film, totally supporting you.

Speaker 2:
[49:16] Well, thank you, Martin.

Speaker 1:
[49:18] And so, as far as someone reaching out to you, do you have, are you accessible?

Speaker 2:
[49:24] Yeah, you can email me at RonJamesContact at gmail.com. You know, I try, I talk to everybody, so. And you can keep up with the new film at accidentaltruthnext.com. That's where we're publishing new information. And it comes out June 2nd on Amazon, Apple, YouTube, Movies and TV and Google Play. That's gonna be the four places you can get it.

Speaker 1:
[49:51] Okay, well, this question just popped up and I'm in no rush to stop. It's just, this question here, do you think that Eyes on Cinema content on YouTube is needed to keep this whole conversation grounded in a nuts and bolts way? I love, I just had a conversation with the person that runs that. He's Dutch, I believe, Joseph, Eyes on Cinema. I don't know if you've checked out their videos, where they're getting some great, great old videos from the past. Yeah, Eyes on Cinema.

Speaker 2:
[50:29] But I don't like the conversation grounded. It makes sense anymore. There is no pure nuts and bolts explanation for this. The people that are trying to keep it to nuts and bolts are only going to get so far. The answer to this lies in the whole nature of reality, the notion of subjective and consensus reality, consciousness, and a lot of the ancient spiritual teachings, very esoteric stuff. Are there nuts and bolts flying saucers and nuts and bolts hardware? Sure. But they're a very small part of the overall answer. That's what we're covering in the new film. I think anybody shining a spotlight on this stuff from any direction is helping to keep the conversation going.

Speaker 1:
[51:25] You know, as far as this, someone had alerted me to a movie that just went up on Eyes on Cinema. And it was, it's really good, but people aren't going to like it. And people are bashing it because basically what he did was he edited Bob Lazar's conversations over the years. And he puts them side by side. He says this, and he says this. And he's, he's contradicting himself over and over again. But you just have to watch the video, make up your mind on your own on what you think about that. But I think most people that are really involved with the Bob Lazar story do not want to watch anything that's going to possibly change their mind. I just have seen that because anytime I speak on that, I get a lot of response.

Speaker 2:
[52:24] Well, you know, people, once they form a belief system, they do not want to entertain things that might challenge it. And that's one of the biggest problems with Disclosure, is we have all these camps right now that are firm in their beliefs as to what this stuff is. And, you know, like I'll go on some of these, some of these Christian talk shows, and they're like, this is Angels and Demons, there's no Aliens, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they don't want, and I'm like, look, you need to be open to the idea that all of this could be true. But they don't want to be open to that idea. And so we're dealing with a whole lot of people that are clinging to certain belief systems that may not survive scrutiny, and they will fight to hold on to that through anything. And so, you know, it's a whole other problem with the Disclosure.

Speaker 1:
[53:16] Right. And yeah, I understand. And someone just wrote that there was a very convincing Jesse Michael interview with Bob Lazar. I know that. And that's for that, Chuck. I can't remember the name. The film came out of... But anyway, I understand that there's some great interviews and all that, but I personally think that Bob Lazar should be really scrutinized because there's so many things against his story. And if you're not interested in learning any of that, then don't watch that film on Eyes on Cinema that I'm talking about.

Speaker 2:
[53:57] Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1:
[53:58] It's all pointed out. He does it himself. It's Bob Lazar talking, contradicting himself, one clip to another. It's not anyone saying those words. It's him. So, but anyway, I can't wait for my e-mails now for that saying that.

Speaker 2:
[54:13] But you know, you're going to be okay. Yeah. Oh, and you know, I forgot to mention we did the old Accidental Truth movie. If you haven't seen it yet, you can still rent it on Amazon. But if you want to watch it for free, you can go to YouTube Movie TV and you can watch it there. And I strongly encourage everybody to watch it before the new one comes out, because it'll really set the stage.

Speaker 1:
[54:36] Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. All right, Ron, thanks so much and we'll see you in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2:
[54:41] Martin, thank you for having me on. I really appreciate it. Anytime.

Speaker 1:
[54:45] Yeah, it was fun. All right. Take care.