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Speaker 1:
[00:00] It's time for the Bite Me Podcast, and it's brought to you every week by Fishing Tackle Unlimited. It's the world's largest tackle store, and everything you want and need is there for you. I'm talking rods, reels, aisle after aisle of lures, gear, performance wear, eyewear, kayaks, and a lot more. And don't forget, Gulf Coast Trolling Motors is right there in house with the perfect trolling motor for your needs, plus terrific trolling motor repair. Get there, two locations. It's Fishing Tackle Unlimited, or fishingtackleunlimited.com. All right. It's that time of the day, time of the week. You know what? I was thinking about this before we even came on air. I always call this my favorite time of the week, and the way these guys treat me sometimes, I'm starting to wonder why I say that. But this is the Bite Me Podcast. John Lopez right here with Captain Scott Null, Captain Dean Thomas, and Captain Caleb McCumber. Going to start it a little different today, boys, because I always like to hit the recent news, so to speak, with what's been happening. But a lot of stuff's been happening. So it's going to be choose your own adventure before we get into the topics. You guys, here are your options. Dean's already shaking his head.

Speaker 2:
[01:11] You come at us with these curve balls.

Speaker 1:
[01:13] That's the whole idea.

Speaker 2:
[01:15] I open my email, I'm like, okay, okay. I did like a cursory little, yeah. What is it that you study like insanely in a short time? What's it called?

Speaker 1:
[01:27] Oh, cramming?

Speaker 2:
[01:28] Yeah, I'm cramming for a podcast. Not a question is going to be on the test for anything that I study.

Speaker 1:
[01:36] No, we will cover everything on the rundown, but I like to start, this is a broadcasting thing. Bring the show to life. Make it organic, bring it to life. That's one of the things you learn early on.

Speaker 3:
[01:49] Any pluses that is for not reading the rundown.

Speaker 4:
[01:51] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[01:52] Well, yeah, because Caleb goes first today.

Speaker 4:
[01:55] When I first started coming on the show, I would look at the rundown and I had notes and I would put down talking points under each topic and be all ready for it. We wouldn't cover a damn one of them. Oh, yes, we do. I hardly even noticed Tuesday. You might cover it, but the topic will say, what color is the sky? Then when it gets to me, it's like, well, Caleb, since it's pink, what do you think? Not the notes, John.

Speaker 1:
[02:19] I guess it's pink. See, this is why I doubt myself, why I always call this my favorite time of the week. But we're going to get to the topics, but it is choose your own adventure on the little news that's been happening here and there. So I'm going to go through and then y'all tell me which adventure you want to choose first. Happy 400th episode, by the way. I had no idea. Last week was our 400th episode. That's one. That's wild that we did that. We got rain and a little chill. I'm sure Scott's going to have something to say about that and give me a hard time. Somebody got a new boat. Somebody's are going to get a new boat. We've got an announcement next week. I want Caleb, this is going to be specific for him. So y'all choose your own adventure between those and this one. Why can't guys get along? Why are guys giving each other a hard time? So which one? Scott, I'm going to start with you. Which adventure do you want to choose first? 400 episodes, weather and chill, the announcement coming up, somebody got a new boat, and why can't guys get along?

Speaker 3:
[03:25] The weather, man.

Speaker 1:
[03:26] I knew it.

Speaker 3:
[03:27] What's going on with that? You keep saying it's spring and then it's not. And then it's spring weather and then it's not.

Speaker 1:
[03:34] This is spring weather.

Speaker 3:
[03:36] It was blowing 35 miles an hour straight out of the damn north, and the temperature dropped 20 something degrees in about 15 minutes.

Speaker 4:
[03:43] This ain't even Christmas weather.

Speaker 3:
[03:46] We didn't have that during the winter.

Speaker 1:
[03:49] Well, that's true. That was a bad winter.

Speaker 3:
[03:53] Yeah, I'm out here trying to work in the garage and get things done. Oh, Potsatoney Bill over there. He's talking about his shadow and stuff.

Speaker 1:
[04:06] This is classic spring weather. I knew Scott would pick that one. We will get more into that as we get into the topics, Caleb, in terms of what all the rain and weather and wind has done. Let's just cut right to the chase here. Dean is practically giddy. He sent us a picture of his new boat. Somebody got a new boat. I see the Slow Ride Guide sticker on there. I see a Waterloo sticker on there. I don't see a Bite Me sticker on there, Dean, but that's neither here nor there.

Speaker 2:
[04:38] I had to stop right in the middle of my sticker program.

Speaker 3:
[04:46] It gets a new boat is Sticker Day.

Speaker 1:
[04:47] Yeah, Sticker Day is the best.

Speaker 2:
[04:50] Right when I was about to peel the Bite Me sticker and put it on there, I realized I had to come in here and cram for my afternoon test that apparently is shifting gears.

Speaker 1:
[05:00] It won't. It'll still be the same. It's a gorgeous boat. What can you tell us about it?

Speaker 2:
[05:06] Man, when you open up the hatch, it smells like fresh fiberglass. It's amazing. I'm going to keep those hatches closed as long as possible, so it keeps that smell. It is cool. I mean, it is kind of amazing when you look at a new boat, and it is so shiny, and it is so clean, and everything is so perfect. The propeller is like chrome, man. It hurts your eyes to look at it. The skeg, it has one day, it has one day will be painted is today.

Speaker 3:
[05:48] Just go get a grinder and hit the skeg a few times, just to make it feel right.

Speaker 1:
[05:54] Eliminate the middle man.

Speaker 2:
[05:57] As I'm loading everything in the hatches, I'm like even cautious and careful. It's like one day and it'll be back to the same as it ever was. But yeah, it's just it's, I mean, new boat day is cool, it's fun, but you get the first scratch. It's just another boat then.

Speaker 1:
[06:21] Caleb's getting a new boat.

Speaker 4:
[06:23] Yeah, Friday. Friday. I don't know which one, I don't know if it's Dean's or mine, I'm more ready to drop a gaff top on the deck first.

Speaker 1:
[06:33] Get it buddy. Get some of those scales on there and all that good stuff. What are you getting?

Speaker 4:
[06:40] I did another 21 mid-tower outlaw, but this time I put, I got a little bit more juice on the back of it. I dropped the tower about 10 inches for aerodynamics and ease for customers and all that stuff. I got to tell you, I've been up on it, and I think that lower tower, you're going to see me just as good to see and fish from, but better for getting in and out. I'm pretty excited about that boat. I'm ready for it to go.

Speaker 2:
[07:07] How much horsepower you have on that boat?

Speaker 4:
[07:11] Undisclosed amount. We're going to see.

Speaker 2:
[07:17] On my Scouts that I've run forever, I've always ran a 200 and it's an inline four, and it is the smaller block because it is lighter. It is 200 horsepower. It does great on that boat. I'm not racing. I mean, at full throttle with it loaded, I still hit 44, 45 miles an hour. Rarely do I even feel the need to go that fast. But I've been in loner boats for the past three weeks, almost a month with the V6 250s on them. I have poured so much gas into those boats compared to what that 200 drinks. It's, I don't see how these guys get into that ticket, that gas bill whenever you go up just 50 horsepower. I mean, it was like 30 percent more gas. I'm not running any harder. I'm not doing any more miles throughout the day. But man, I poured a lot of gas in those boats compared to what I pour into that 200.

Speaker 4:
[08:31] Have you put a 2-2 on that 200 yet? So it just looks nice and cute and petite.

Speaker 2:
[08:37] I've actually, I've peeled the number off before. So it was kind of like a mystery.

Speaker 4:
[08:44] When you're going 45, it's not a mystery, Dean.

Speaker 2:
[08:48] This is true. I've been in boats that go 65 and 70, and the only thing I'm saying is stop this thing.

Speaker 4:
[08:56] Here's my thing. Whenever I make those 30, 40, 50 mile runs to go fish, I want to do it very efficiently at like 35, 40 miles an hour. I want to get and with what I'm doing with mine, I should get about three and a half miles a gallon with it. But to go to, you want to go at least 40, 35 to make those runs. But if you're pegged the whole time, man, now you're putting gas in them. So that's kind of my thing. I want my mid-range to be efficient.

Speaker 1:
[09:24] That's fair.

Speaker 2:
[09:24] You live in a different world.

Speaker 4:
[09:27] Oh, yeah. I'm so jealous of you guys that get to drive four miles and go fishing. I got to drive eight just to get to where I start going fishing at.

Speaker 1:
[09:35] Now, that's true. I've done that for years. But Dean, you had a little confession with me. You love my boat.

Speaker 2:
[09:43] Oh, it performs great. Handles amazing. The corners, the turning capability, it's like a corvette. It's crazy. It is cool. Shallow water capability is great. But when I got, so after running that Warrior, I ran that one for about week and a half or so. And then I had a shallow sport. I was running around in a 22, 23 foot shallow sport. I'm not even sure what the length was on that. And I got the feel of that boat after about 10 days. I was like, this is pretty cool. But man, when I got back in my scout, oh man, that was like, that was like old girlfriend right there.

Speaker 1:
[10:38] So all this is going to tie in with our first topic. But before we do that, I do want to go to Scott here because Scott and I started this thing in 2018. I believe if I'm, I always forget the exact day, but I think it was October of 2018 when we started. Last week was our 400th episode, Scott. And I know you didn't think we'd last 10.

Speaker 3:
[11:02] We go by the year.

Speaker 1:
[11:04] Maybe everybody year.

Speaker 3:
[11:06] We're going to make a year and then we're going to run out of stuff to talk about. Never ever these two yahoos in.

Speaker 2:
[11:15] It's funny because when it first started, Scott told me six weeks was his first.

Speaker 1:
[11:20] We'll do this about six weeks.

Speaker 3:
[11:22] Well, I remember in October, we make it to the first of the year. We're good. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[11:26] I remember because all three of you are always asked to do these things. They generally start out with a bang and a lot of excitement, and they never really sustain themselves. But I think it's going to go into my next point. I think it's credit to our listeners, very loyal. I think it's a huge credit to you three guys because the mix of personalities, and styles, and places you fish keeps everybody interested in the country. We've got listeners from all over, and so that helps, which leads to the thing that I was going to mention.

Speaker 2:
[12:00] John, you are a very humble man because all we do is show up here at 3.30 on Tuesdays, and sit down and listen to your questions. We got to give John credit for planning this thing, for editing, for the amount of time. The reason for its success is John P. Lopez. Because if it was up to either one of us, it would have never.

Speaker 4:
[12:38] Well, I would say that all we do is come on and try not to get the show canceled, but I can't even say that's particularly true.

Speaker 1:
[12:46] No, you said that last time too. I'm surprised we haven't been canceled yet. Now that we're on FCC airwaves too, boy, the odds of that have spiked. Really spiked.

Speaker 2:
[12:58] It is so crazy that we've managed to not say one bad word. It's almost become natural for us.

Speaker 1:
[13:06] Well, I took two out last week. I just didn't want to say anything, but part of the reason I don't mind it, I mean, I don't want it to happen because it's more editing on me, but part of the reason I don't mind it is because it's a reflection of how comfortable you guys are just chatting. You're just talking like you're talking at the boat ramp, and I think that's part of the success. But enough about us and me. I appreciate it very much.

Speaker 3:
[13:30] I can tell you something though. This whole new format of being at the house and doing it, I don't know if I could still be doing this eight years in, whatever the hell it is, eight years now, if I was still driving to the station.

Speaker 1:
[13:47] Oh yeah, you couldn't.

Speaker 3:
[13:48] I don't think I could do that.

Speaker 1:
[13:50] I don't know if I would.

Speaker 3:
[13:52] I mean, we did that for what, the first two years almost?

Speaker 1:
[13:54] A year and a half, two years, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[13:57] I drove up there one time in that parking lot. I thought I wasn't going to find my way out of there.

Speaker 3:
[14:05] My favorite was parking in the parking lot, get there a little bit early and then have Caleb drive and watch him duck every time he went under one of the beams.

Speaker 1:
[14:12] I did that and I worked there.

Speaker 4:
[14:13] I hated that stupid thing.

Speaker 1:
[14:15] I did that and I worked there. I was there every day. But anyway, we've gotten a lot of questions about that ties in with this, about the feeding frenzy. For those who are new, obviously we appreciate it. We started this. This is going to be our fourth year. We started this going on four years ago. I just wanted to thank what these guys do and particularly our listeners for backing us up, for being loyal, for putting the numbers off the charts. I said, hey, how about we do a feeding frenzy? I called it that. Just have everybody gather, shoot the bull, talk fishing, have some fun, have some food, have some drinks. The point of it all was, I want to thank you, so we're going to pay for the first 200 meals of the people at RSVP. The feeding frenzy took off, raised almost $35,000 first year. It's under $50,000 second year. Last year, we raised $73,000 because I wanted to put a charitable element to it all to give us more reason to get out there. That is Texas Boys Outdoors, which is still involved, and Heroes on the Water, which is still involved. We're going to announce the date and the time and the location of the 2026 feeding frenzy next week. Got to tie up a couple of loose ends with some people, one of whom is on this, that's a hint, is on this text board as we speak, and a couple of other things. But all I can say right now is stay tuned next week, and we'll have the announcement and two key elements, air conditioning and rain or shine. Those are two things we've never been able to say before. We've always had our fingers crossed, and we've been lucky. The first one was hot. The first one was really hot. It was in August outside. I know you're not in your head, Scott, but yes, so we'll do that next week. I thought you had something to say. All right. So that's going to happen.

Speaker 4:
[16:22] Not that it's a hit, but did you hear that they're going back to the name Reliant Stadium?

Speaker 1:
[16:28] I did. It is not good. I can tell you this for sure.

Speaker 4:
[16:31] Coincidence maybe? I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[16:33] It will not be at Reliant Stadium. We won't have that many listeners. I wish we did. We won't have that many listeners. But I used to have a cousin named Gabriella. That's neither here nor there. Anyway, let's get to the topics that are related to this. That is, the first one ties in with exactly what we were talking about here. You're going to start this one because you were talking about trends in the market and the boat market industry, keeping up with the Joneses. There's some good ones, there's some not-so-good ones, and maybe, we're getting too caught up in ourselves here, just trying to keep up. Is it too much? Is that one of those things that's happening right now?

Speaker 2:
[17:15] It'll be too much when people quit buying it. It's going to be too much.

Speaker 1:
[17:20] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[17:21] We have apparently not reached that yet. But yeah, I don't even what the conversation that led us up to that. But we're just talking about trends in the fishing world. You know how you see the dude next door, he's got that new boat, you got to have one. I mean, and then the dude next door, he's got to have one. And they see specific brands, I guess. Even Sight Unseen, just because they see what somebody else is using and they will go and mortgage their future. Over the years, you've watched. I mean, kind of last week, as we were talking about baits, lures and stuff that have come and gone over the years, and those trend in and out. Even though those lures that we fished with 20 years ago will still catch fish as good as they did the days we were throwing them, but trends come and go. Rods and reels really have a technological evolution. I mean, those do evolve into high-tech gear that does perform better over the years. But just in general, fishing, hunting, and I mean, even golf, like a hobby, you know, how people tend to follow trends. It's pretty easy to get them to follow the trends.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 3:
[20:49] A lot of people look at the polling on the polling side, since you mentioned that, the push poles. They've come a long, long way. My first one was a fiberglass push pole. It was like weight lifting. Push that sun gun all day long. One I got now, you can lift it with two fingers. I mean, it's 21 feet long and it weighs just nothing. It's so well balanced and they're super, super strong. If you pick that thing up and say, I'm going to push around a boat with two guys on it, on the front end of it, it weighs 250 a piece plus the boat plus me and all the gear. You'd think, man, there's no way that thing's going to break. I don't know how they do it, but it's super strong, super light, and it makes all the difference in the world by the end of the day.

Speaker 1:
[21:46] Yeah. So Caleb, I know you have something on this, but I'm going to set you up with something here. That day that I was catching those fish, and we've had this on the rundown for about a month, so it was probably a month and a half ago. I wouldn't have stayed out there. It was that windy, that choppy, but I had the right boat to get where I needed to get and be protected. I had the shootouts. One of the things that really helped me catch one of the redfish that I caught that day was, it was easy to get around the boat just in terms of, what is it? Is it the gunwale, the top on the gunwale? It was so wide, I could walk all the way around and all that. I wouldn't have been out there. Some of the things that we think are just luxuries that help you flat out catch more fish.

Speaker 2:
[22:28] You must have had some sandwiches too, because you were out there till like 3 o'clock.

Speaker 1:
[22:32] I was out there a long time and it was blowing, man. You remember that day?

Speaker 2:
[22:36] Yeah. Yeah. I was out there against my will, but you volunteered. You signed up for that.

Speaker 1:
[22:43] But I signed up for it.

Speaker 4:
[22:47] We fished heavy wind today, and I was out there for about an hour and 10 minutes, and I was back in Fairchild, Texas within two hours. I got out this morning. It was blowing 10 miles an hour at my house, and it was forecasted to be 10 to 15. I pulled over the Levee and Matagorda and I could hear the flags and my windows were rolled up. Power poles, man. Minn Kota Raptors is my thing now. This is my second boat with the Minn Kota Raptors on them. The fish we caught today, we weren't catching them without that. Are they a little bit expensive? Yes. Are they pretty necessary? Yes. Unless you're just, we spent a lot of years getting out to wade or getting out to gig flounder or something, throwing an anchor over the side, but I couldn't imagine trying to effectively fish an area, pulling an anchor in and out.

Speaker 1:
[23:35] Well, I've talked about it. I like, one of my things I like to do is I call it hopscotch fishing, fishing. Never would have done that 15 years ago, because I wasn't going to about to throw the anchor out, fish, fish, fish, throw the anchor out, fish, fish, fish, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[23:48] And I'm going to tell you those Raptors, I, those are some beefed up dudes. I didn't have a single bushing. Nothing.

Speaker 2:
[23:56] My first Raptor on this boat, so I haven't even.

Speaker 1:
[23:59] They're bad ass.

Speaker 4:
[24:00] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[24:01] I tried it out here in the driveway just to make sure it worked.

Speaker 1:
[24:05] But did it stick?

Speaker 2:
[24:08] Stuck like Chuck.

Speaker 4:
[24:09] Sometimes in the morning, sometimes in the morning, they're in like a sleep mode, and you got to click it a couple of times to wake them up. Sometimes they're not. I clicked it a couple of times to wake them up today while I was putting them on my spot, and I came to an immediate stop and it startled everybody.

Speaker 2:
[24:26] You woke up everybody on the boat.

Speaker 1:
[24:30] Somebody else mentioned Caleb, and this is all three of y'all really, but really Caleb does it a lot. Elevation. Elevation on your boat.

Speaker 4:
[24:38] I love to get high while I fish.

Speaker 1:
[24:42] Even back when you were a teenager.

Speaker 4:
[24:44] No, whenever I built my first mid-tower, everybody's like, you're going to be alright, Dean. Everybody's like, dude, you're going to run that thing six months and want to sell it. I think I'm on my fourth mid-tower. No, I couldn't. What I do, it fits it so well. If you're just a wade guy, maybe so, maybe no, but while you're heading to that wading spot, you can sure see all the bait and the color changes and all that stuff a little bit better. I like mine. Full-tower, not for me. Mid-tower, yes.

Speaker 1:
[25:15] Yeah, just elevate it a little bit is what I like.

Speaker 2:
[25:17] The one thing that I did not get on my new boat that I really wish I would have is the disco party lights in the cockpit and under the boat and around the top. I mean, I'm sure there was another something I could have done to do that.

Speaker 4:
[25:37] That light little 200 couldn't handle the juice it had to produce.

Speaker 2:
[25:41] Turn your lights on, kill the motor when I turn it on.

Speaker 1:
[25:45] I'm not going to lie, early mornings, Caleb, you could probably back this up. When you turn on those cool lights and you're just sitting there in the marina or at the dock or whatever, you just feel like such a badass.

Speaker 4:
[25:56] Oh, no, dude. Tied up about 11 o'clock at night at the in front of the bar in Louisiana. All the little waitresses are just getting a little little. They're having fun because the people I'm with tip really good. And I tell them, pick a color and they pick a color and I touch my phone. My boat beats the music in that color.

Speaker 2:
[26:19] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[26:20] I think my new boat only does white, but I definitely like to have kick lights and lights underneath my console for sure. I think the new one just does white though.

Speaker 1:
[26:28] Scott, feel free to harumph all your way through this point here.

Speaker 2:
[26:34] When I drive past that dude, that's not what I think.

Speaker 3:
[26:39] Camille's in the background over here. She says, do I need to get the two of them some white sunglasses?

Speaker 1:
[26:44] No, it's cool, man. It's cool. Especially when you get somebody new on the boat and it's still dark before you take off, they go, whoa, this is going to be fun.

Speaker 4:
[26:54] Speaking of, speaking of.

Speaker 3:
[26:55] As soon as it is, moments later, they're like, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[27:01] But for that one moment.

Speaker 4:
[27:02] I like the I like the red ones because they don't blind me in the morning, but I don't use them very often in the morning. I don't use them very often at night either, but I really don't use them very often in the morning. And let me tell you about it. OK. I notoriously will meet you at 830 or 9 o'clock to go red fishing, and it works like let's don't break it this morning for some reason. I decided to wake up at 530, go get an early start down there. And I wake up and I open my Noah app and I look at the actuals and then I'm looking at all the radars and everything. I'm thinking man is probably going to be pretty rowdy down there. And turns out my decision making skills suck at 530 in the morning, and this is why I don't do it because my decision to go was just dumb.

Speaker 1:
[27:47] How long were you out there? An hour and a half?

Speaker 4:
[27:51] Close to two maybe.

Speaker 1:
[27:53] Yeah. But back on point here, some of the things that we'd like to think, Scott, that are just luxury items. I get the lights are a luxury item. I get that. But they help that there's things that help you catch more fish now than ever before. I really wanted to get with you and Dean next here, because kayaking, it used to be, talk about lifting weights, talk about some of these kayaks. Now, you guys were in those smaller ones. But once the kayak boom hit, there were some big, heavy, thick, hard to move kayaks, and now there's not. Well, unless you add on all the-

Speaker 3:
[28:37] I'm going to say, I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1:
[28:40] We're not talking about the mini boats. I'm talking about the kayaks. We really want to kayak, because some of those, I don't even want to tow.

Speaker 3:
[28:45] Yeah. Now, when Dana and I started, it was a kayak. You could carry it like a suitcase. Carry it with one hand, have you paddle, and some gear in the other hand, walk down to the water, throw it in the water, and go. We lost it places where we had to scurry across highways. What was it? Oh, over the rail in Tampa. Famous kayak launch was called Over the Rail, and you had to watch for cars coming, and then run across the street and throw it in there. Over the rail.

Speaker 2:
[29:18] Yeah, before you get hit.

Speaker 3:
[29:20] It was literally, you went over the guardrail into the water. But yeah, people just kept adding more and more and more to them, and they just got heavier and wider and...

Speaker 2:
[29:34] Well, the marketing machine took over kayak fishing, and they took kayaks that cost less than $1,000 and turned them into $4,000. Give the marketing world credit, they churn out a whole crop of them every single year. That's going to do that. So Scott, back in the day, the conversation, when it came to choosing a kayak and talking about kayaking, there were terms such as the rocker, the secondary stability, the quality of the paddle, the...

Speaker 1:
[30:15] The glides.

Speaker 2:
[30:16] The glide, all of those things that referred to efficient paddling that has completely left the market nowadays. Now, it's how many horsepower can you strap on this thing?

Speaker 3:
[30:31] Can I put a power pole on it? Then I saw one the other day, it had two power poles on it.

Speaker 1:
[30:38] It was a kayak.

Speaker 4:
[30:40] That's cool.

Speaker 1:
[30:42] Caleb wants it.

Speaker 4:
[30:44] Y'all are old.

Speaker 3:
[30:46] Power poles and a trolling motor and like two or three different screens.

Speaker 2:
[30:52] That's a boat. I bet it had disco party lights on it.

Speaker 4:
[30:57] Whoever this kayak belongs to, I support you. Yeah. Of course you listen to these old people.

Speaker 1:
[31:02] That's a boat. That's a boat.

Speaker 3:
[31:08] You're asking the basic question of, is it, you know, are we keeping up with the Joneses too much? Yes, on that. This kayak, and it should be about simplicity. It was about the way it all started. And I mean, I had boats. I had two boats and I got into kayak fishing. Everybody was always, you know, if you just put a motor on a thing and then I'd go do it. But it was the afternoon trips. It was the quick trips. It was being able to throw it in the bed of the truck and not worry about it. And then come home, you know, during the summer and you've got till eight or nine o'clock till a good start, get off work, go throw it in the water and go fish. And getting away from the simplicity of that is probably a little too much of the keeping up with the Joneses.

Speaker 1:
[31:56] Yeah. Yeah. That's why I wanted to tie those two together. All right, Caleb, going to you here on this topic that is on the rundown. As the other one was. Is it, when is it a pattern? When is it a pattern? Dean and I were talking about patterns. And this came up. I feel like we are patterning trout right now. And Dean, I'll get to you in a second. Is, are things starting to happen like that? When do you know, okay, I can come back here in one of those things?

Speaker 4:
[32:28] I mean, do you ever really know, John? Do you?

Speaker 1:
[32:32] I think so.

Speaker 4:
[32:33] I think it's just a pattern when we need a thumbnail for YouTube. Dad, you know, like right now, the pattern, it pattern is a seasonal thing. And whenever the ingredients are all there. So the pattern we've been waiting on is higher tides with maybe a little bit of fresh water mixed in, some little juvenile fin fish and fish cruising along the grass to eat those. As windy and as miserable it was this morning, I sat there and watched it happen because all the right boxes were checked. And that will remain the pattern until we get into June, it starts getting hot and start setting up a new pattern. I mean, that's all we're transitioning between is pattern to pattern to pattern. But does that pattern work every day? I know there's stuff that slows it down and shuts it down. But, you know, and then really that's a pounder for trout, redfish and flounder right now, you know.

Speaker 2:
[33:28] And I totally agree the key word that Caleb said there, which he puts out some profound stuff every once in a while. You just got to filter a lot of it.

Speaker 1:
[33:39] Hey, there are days when he gets really into it. And I just let him go. And I'm like, yeah, that was really good.

Speaker 4:
[33:48] What episode was that?

Speaker 2:
[33:51] So and look, Caleb is certified ADHD, THC, PCP. He's got a lot of alphabets. He's got a lot of alphabets in his condition. But if you filter through a bunch of those digits, he does come up some good stuff. But the point I was going to make is the pattern is seasonal. It really is based on the temperature. The wind is the variable that comes from day to day for me. But during the springtime, especially from like late winter to springtime, and you saw it this weekend, the speckled trout are on the grass beds. They are shallow. They're, it's just favorable for where they want to be. Call it a pattern. Call it it's where they live this time of year. Where they're feeding on is there. I think that what they're feeding on stays on those flats, you know, whether it's a mullet, piggies, shrimp, you know, all those things. But the water temperature is favorable for speckled trout. And look, you can still catch speckled trout on the flats in the summer time if you go super early in the morning. But the pattern in summer is the deeper water, the edges of the flats, the drop offs. So you can definitely pattern. I've never liked that word pattern. To me, it sounds like you've got this figured out, like, you know, there is an actual answer to that question. But seasonally, you can understand where they're supposed to be. And then you work with that.

Speaker 1:
[35:36] Yeah. Well, Scott, and I thought of you when I put this down, because you often say, you know, whatever they're doing, whatever it is, where you are, if it shuts down or it's not there, you go to the next one that's similar. But I'm sure you're like Dean and I and Caleb, you know, but I'm speaking for Dean right now because we've had this discussion. Where you go, you think everything is right. And then you get out on the water and you kind of change your decision because based on what you're seeing at the time. But in terms of like the water and the bait, you know where they're going to be, don't you? In certain times of the year, especially springtime right now.

Speaker 3:
[36:09] You feel like it. Like this past week, when the water went high, I thought, all right, they're going to be up in the in the grass and up shallow and they're going to be in the trees and they're going to be doing their their usual thing when the when the water goes high, wasn't a fish one up there. And all my fish were out in about two or three feet of water, tailing like crazy and making mud trails. Two or three hundred yards off the bank, and that was not the pattern I was expecting by any means. But it ended up being a pattern because it happened over and over again. So that's what you end up doing as far as a pattern goes. I can't say, okay, this is my pattern for this time of year, this is my pattern for the next two weeks. My pattern develops throughout the day. Some days are on shell, some days are up in the grass, some days are out in the wide open in the middle of nothing for no damn reason like Dean's fish. But I'll start off the morning with an idea and like I did there, I'm going to be up in the grass, I'm going to be up in the trees. When that doesn't work, you start looking for something else. Maybe they're on shell today. Maybe there was one day here a while back, I had had them on mud for two or three days, and they were in mud mixed with grass. The next day they were on hard sand with very scattered grass. No idea why they changed. Bait didn't change, weather didn't change, the fish changed. So you develop your pattern throughout the day, more so than going into it with something set in your mind. There's an app that puts you in that mindset, and I don't like that.

Speaker 4:
[38:06] I think what Dean said is directly what people are attributing a pattern to, and then what Scott said is what a pattern actually is. We do do a lot of patterning in tournament fishing, but what we're doing, it's just from being out there. If we're fishing a trout tournament, we pattern a group of trout and they're sliding up at the end of the outgoing tide on this flat and doing this or that. That's a pattern or we're in Louisiana, and I've seen some crazy patterns. I've seen patterns where only round ponds have fish in them. I spent two weeks, only round ponds on dead ends had fish in them. I've seen different ones with how they're coming in and out of the, from offshore coming in, all this different stuff. But those patterns are only good right now. It could be done tomorrow, and that's the danger of tournament fishing and getting into that mindset of, this is their pattern, that's what they're going to do. And they could quit doing it on Friday and you go there Saturday, and they've been doing it all week. You go there Saturday and they've swapped it up. Yeah. Maybe something changed, maybe something didn't change. But you know, that would be the actual pattern. And I think it's all like Dean was saying though, what checks the boxes for the season? What are they eating and how are they eating it is pretty well it.

Speaker 1:
[39:42] Well, okay. And that's fair. And Perry said seems like experience is more important than patterns. But Dean, so why is it then? What is it if it's not a pattern that I have confidence that I can go to a certain couple of places tomorrow and know that there's trout there? And I hadn't fished since Saturday. Because I feel like is that the seasonal thing? And maybe they won't be there. But I've done it before. I've done it before. I've taken two or three days off, especially when I was fishing during the week a lot. And I'm like, well, I caught fish here. They were doing this. I go back and they're still there. What is that in that pattern? When it comes to the style of fishing you want and quality that is unmatched, if you are a fisherman in Texas, there's a boat for you. And that boat has to have the quality you deserve. Decades long reputation and is unmatched. Freedom Boats is that boat. From the hugely popular 14-foot Chiquita to the 16 Eagle, Patriot 19, Commander 21, the 23 Warrior like mine, 24 Defender or 26 General, 100% composite, 100% rot resistant. Get to any of the great dealers across the Southwest or freedomboatsusa.com. A second here for the boatyard in Kima. If you guys have been thinking about that new boat or upgrading boatyard in beautiful Kima, I've been a long time loyal customer because when it comes to a new boat, service and dealing with the right people, nothing compares. You've heard JT Kosche on this podcast and you know he will answer all your questions with the kind of deep knowledge you'll only get at the boatyard. They have the best brands, Skinny Water Freedom Boats, 23 to 36 foot sailfish, Bulls Bay, Piranha, Aluminacraft, Sun Chaser and more. Go see my friends at the boatyard in Kima or go to eaglesboatyard.com.

Speaker 2:
[41:21] You can feel whatever you want to feel.

Speaker 1:
[41:25] But I've done it. You've done it.

Speaker 2:
[41:27] Oh, and there's days when I'll leave that dock with the highest confidence in the world. It's like, man, we fix it. This is going, we're going to be out of here in no time, quick and easy. And man, you get out there and it's like, man, there you got it handed to you. And then there's days when I'm leaving from the dock and I'm like, man, I'm trying to spend some positive story about how hard we're going to have to work today. And it's going to be a la, la, and then, you know, first cast, boom, second, boom, boom. Then you're just on them. So you take that so-called pattern that you've been on and you relate it to that. But man, there ain't no guarantees in this game. I mean, you can, I think I'm the biggest fishing genius that ever lived every time I start the boat. And I don't always feel that way when I turn the boat off.

Speaker 4:
[42:30] This morning, while I was making my stupid decision, I told Jimmy, I was like, I really think it's going to be an epic top water bite this morning. I was sure of it. Like I had FOMO from myself.

Speaker 1:
[42:42] Like I need to be out there. I need to be out there. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[42:47] But I mean, all of us, you know, from this conversation, you know, we put all that together seasonally, temperature wise, tide wise, you know, the height of the tide for me is a big part of tide to temperature and the wind is the three that kind of a lot of days dictate where even you can fish or you, you know, you can't. And then you try to go and find, like if you say fish are on the grass beds, they're on shallow grass. Tide is up super high. You're going to have to find you, you know, some grass beds that even on the low tide have still had water on them. Because I find that the trout don't really, redfish tend to will move in and out or move on to a flat and move. They tend to migrate in a shorter time. Trout, even so, if you've been on a low tide and you've had speckled trout, pretty consistent in some deeper flats, and then the tide comes in, those trout will tend to stay even in deeper water. They don't leave real quick. Don't take any of this as etched in stone. Well, that's where I'm going to start. That's where I'm going to start my search if I've been on them, even if the tide comes up. But however, with redfish, if redfish have been pulled into those holes on a low tide and the tide comes up, they tend to vacate those holes a lot faster and that deeper water. Then I tend to find them on the very next day up on the shallowest flats when that tide has come in.

Speaker 1:
[44:24] Scott, this is where I'm going to throw a little curveball because I've talked about this before on the podcast. Could a pattern be the structure that time of year? Because I've mentioned, one of the things I do on my GPS is if I find good structure, good fish, whatever, I don't necessarily name it anything spectacular. I just put the date on it. May 21st is one that I have in East Matagorda Bay that I can go back this May 21st and I would feel pretty good because I think that time of year, it's more of an abstract pattern. Like that time of year, that structure could maybe lead to something. Would you disagree with that?

Speaker 3:
[45:04] I mean, it's a good starting point. Yeah, that's why fishing journals and all that stuff has always been around because what happened in the past is going to happen again. Is it going to happen today or tomorrow or the next day because of the tides, the wind, whatever else was going on when you caught fish at that particular spot at that particular time?

Speaker 1:
[45:30] Right.

Speaker 3:
[45:31] Yeah. Wind could be totally different, water could be totally different, you could have the southwest wind and it dirtied it up, and now that spot's not going to work. We all have a plan going out until you get smacked in the mouth, and then you got to come up with a new plan. That's where the experience of being on water every day and all the time, being out there 100, 150, 200 days a year, makes a big difference, because your mind just gets going. It puts you in the right frame of mind. If you've done it enough times, it becomes automatic. We don't even really think about it. It just kind of happens.

Speaker 4:
[46:23] You're able to break down the situation and make it more simple. Like right now, my phone is blowing up a text from another guide buddy of mine, and we pretty well broke it down to, we need an outgoing tide right now to get everything turned on. And it all makes sense. It's going to turn the bait on. It's going to... The fish are in deep water and the scattered is going to pull them up to where that bait is coming from, where you can really, really, really overthink these things.

Speaker 1:
[46:51] Well, but that also ties in, speaking of the longevity of the podcast and everything. I told Scott this before we even got started, like, hey, what are we going to talk about for all these times? And I told him this and I may have said it to you and Dean as well. The experience thing, you don't even know what you know. I swear by that. Like Dean goes out, he goes past the dock right there outside the marina, and he says, I think I'm going to do this. So Dean, I'm going to start with you then I'll get back to Caleb. But there's a reason you say, it's not just a total guess. There's a reason you say, I think I'm going to do this. Because you don't even know what you know. You know, given everything you're looking at, conditions, water, you know what? I think I'm going to go here. And you think it's dumb luck, but it's not. It's what you know that you did the subconscious.

Speaker 2:
[47:39] Well, you start with those first three things I mentioned a minute ago, the wind, the tide and the temperature on kind of narrow that down. I tend, what it helps, I think what it helps me decide is if I'm going to stay in one spot for a little longer, or if I'm just going to totally give up on that and shift gears. Some days I commit to being patient, which is a personal challenge for me.

Speaker 1:
[48:09] No, you don't. It is.

Speaker 2:
[48:10] No, no, it's a test. And sometimes that will absolutely pay off. Other days, I tend to bounce around a little more. I mean, I'm thinking two or three moves ahead. If it's just not happening and trying to put the combination together with the situation that I have at hand.

Speaker 1:
[48:38] But Caleb, how many times have you turned into that cut in East Matagorda Bay? And you just kind of tell yourself, I think I want to go here. And you're not even really sure why, you know, but it works.

Speaker 4:
[48:48] You know, not only we not know what we know, sometimes we have a hard time proving what we know.

Speaker 1:
[48:55] There is that too.

Speaker 4:
[48:57] I don't know, they're just kind of a little sixth sense there. It's been in that situation enough times. And to be honest, you've been kicked in the nuts enough times then that you remember those lessons and those lessons shape you into, you know, finding the right the right answer for that scenario. And like I said, it seems to is everything just seems to simplify. You get you you you start being able to lock down on those one or two key points that is going to put you somewhere on the right track. And then then then you then you find out. Scott and Dean will tell you there's a lot of tournaments like big money ones where you really don't even know where you're going to go. And when you get to the mouth of the marina, you're still wondering if you're going right or going left. And those are the tough ones. Those are the real tough ones whenever either the conditions are where it can be good everywhere or everything scrambled the evening before. And now you are trying to cue that little crap that I don't know. I'm trying to know it.

Speaker 1:
[49:59] That you know, but you don't know, you know. Go ahead, Scott.

Speaker 3:
[50:03] I mean, a great example, Dean, go back to kayak fishing. Dean, I would be going down 361. I'd be following him. He had day off. I was down there and off we go down 361. We're heading out and we got our kayaks in the back of the truck. I'm following him. He said, okay, yeah, we're going to go up there. We're going to park on the right side. We're going to go over there to Brown and Rue Flats. We're going to go hit that. All right, cool. That's why we're at the donut shop in the morning, you know, heading out. We get to driving down there and he would even turn his right blinker on and then turn left and go to Lighthouse Lakes. I'm like, what the hell, man? I pull up next to him and he goes, I don't know, I just had a feeling. Then we go over there and we catch fish. Right. Or we get our butts kicked. We knew which one it was going to be. But it was always funny to me. I mean, Dean's biggest decision of the day when he was a kayak guide full time all the time was right or left. That was his number one decision of the day. Number two was what we're going to eat for lunch.

Speaker 2:
[51:08] And that starts early. When I was guiding kayak trips like daily, we would meet at the shop and we would get everything together. I'm pulling the trailer with everything on it and the people would follow me to the launch site and I would tell them. Don't lose them. Don't lose them. I said, if it appears like I'm drunk, I said, I'm not. I said, because I may look at something and I may change my mind. I said, just stick with me. So there was a lot of swerving and U-turns occasionally. And yeah, I mean, sometimes I would go down to the end. I was like, man, I just don't like any of this. And do a U-turn and go back to the other end.

Speaker 3:
[51:56] I remember one particular, we were going out there in the dark and we turned right to go hit Brown and Rue. And when we got off the road, we went through the little dunes there, the little push up sand. We got through that and we rolled off into a whole bunch of water. And Dean stopped, he backed up, and we rolled over windows and he says, I think the tide's a little high today. We turned around and went over to the other side.

Speaker 1:
[52:23] My feet are wet.

Speaker 4:
[52:25] This whole segment is a parallel of how you host this show in your so-called rundown. We're following you right now and you put on a right link and then turn left.

Speaker 1:
[52:37] We've hit every topic. I'm in the mode right now because I've mentioned multiple times. I'm not in y'all's class, but I feel like I'm pretty good.

Speaker 2:
[52:47] We may have hit every topic, but it was not as outlined in the rundown.

Speaker 1:
[52:54] It never is. That's thanks to you guys. I still, when I nail it and I just say, I think I'm going to go over here and then we catch fish. I'm like, I'll be damned. It worked. I'm still in that mode because I'm not you guys, but I'm like, hey, how about that? All right. Another one here off the rundown, Caleb. Before we get to what Scott do and Caleb and Dean, and this has been on the rundown a while, and I think it's relevant because you sent us a screenshot, Caleb. I'm going to start with you. Why are actual and predicted tides so different when you go to these websites, especially NOAA? That was just a flat out question from a listener. I see the predicted tide. I get excited. The actual tide is either way lower or depending on time of year, way higher. Why is that?

Speaker 4:
[53:47] It just, I mean, what season you're in, what equinox you passed, but more so what's the wind doing? What's the wind doing? What moon phase are you in? All that kind of stuff. I was, I may or may not be developing a resource that everyone can have very economically that takes care of NOAA for you. Because I told my team, I said, you need a computer engineering degree to navigate this website. We need to put it in the hands of people because I'm going to tell you what, it couldn't be more important today. It couldn't be more important. I looked at the, you know, it actually says NOAA Tides on the App Store and it's not. It's just the prediction. It's the little up and down perfectly smooth swirls. It said Matagorda was at.4 feet. Dude, it touched almost 2 today. It raised.4 while I was waiting on the cameraman to show up. I mean, yeah, that's the number one thing I look at, winter, spring, summer or fall is I'm going to look at those actuals. It tells me what route am I going to have to take to get to a spot? Am I going to get stuck there? We all have fun and games, but the reality is I've only been stuck twice and I've came to an immediate halt a couple of times.

Speaker 1:
[55:01] That's a different story.

Speaker 4:
[55:02] But I unhalted myself. I've only needed assistance twice. And it's because I check all those things. And then in my head, you know, and on top of that, you know, what's what are the fish. We're way up on grass, where before this tide came way up, they weren't up there, they want enough water there. It tells you, is the water getting way up in the grass, and then when it falls out, is it going to pull bait? And what would the fish likely respond when it starts pulling bait out of that grass? It tells you that in the fall, it tells you if the tide has been up really good, and then we get one of those dumping fronts come through, that'll give you that little dump we're talking about. And what's happening next, right? But to me, the base of every one of my days, I have places that I won't go fish unless the tide's bottomed out. And it's absolutely terrifying to drive back there when the tide's bottomed out. But I've learned when the tide's up, those fish just don't cooperate. I mean, my whole day is based off of the actuals. To me, there's nothing more important out there. It's the actuals, then it's the wind, and then the rest of it, you know, lunar, all the stuff. That is what it is. But the actuals and the wind direction are the two, by far, number one things that I care about.

Speaker 1:
[56:21] I think we can all agree with that, Scott. But why is it so different when we look at it? What else is going on?

Speaker 3:
[56:26] Let's go back to the actual question.

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Speaker 4:
[57:36] That was one of those where I went, Hey, Caleb, I answered it so efficiently. I did it in like three seconds.

Speaker 3:
[57:42] The reason is the wind. I mean, that's as far as your actual wind you're predicted. You can look at it online on NOAA Tides Online, and you'll see the little blue line. I'm looking at it right now. Blue line or red line. My blue line right now says that it should be at 1.14. The actual is 1.86. We're pushing towards a foot above what it predicted. That's all because of that strong southeast wind that kicked Caleb's butt this morning. Yeah. A general rule for the middle upper coast, it doesn't apply quite as much where Dean is, but it starts applying around there. You get down to Mansfield, a place like that, it changes completely. But if it's got some east in it, northeast, east, southeast, it's going to be above whatever it was predicted. If it's got some west in it, it's going to be below whatever it was predicted. Southwest will drop the water levels, west, northwest, that's when we get our big fallouts in the winter. I'll see people getting all excited about a front coming in, oh, we're going to have a dump. I'll look at it, it's a northeast wind. It's not going to dump. It's going to stay up wherever it was. If you're dealing with that, look at the wind as far as the direction, that's your base, but it's going to have to be 15 miles an hour or so in order for it to affect it. If it's 10 mile an hour, it's going to be pretty damn close to whatever the predicted tide is. It may be six inches one way or the other, but it's going to be fairly close if there's not a lot of wind. That's where we talked about many times, watch the wind going into your trip. You're going to go on Saturday, start watching the wind Wednesday, Thursday. If it's been blowing southeast at 2025, count on it. Book it. The water is going to be higher than it's predicted.

Speaker 4:
[59:53] There's actuals on wind too.

Speaker 2:
[59:55] I'm going to make Caleb excited here.

Speaker 4:
[60:00] You dare try to tell me barometer is why it's a foot different. I'll fight you.

Speaker 1:
[60:04] Right now, where we are, Dean, it's prediction is 1.52, actual 2.40.

Speaker 2:
[60:11] I was just over there just a minute ago. Believe me, the water is over the pier. Low pressure, which is what we've had.

Speaker 4:
[60:18] Here we go.

Speaker 2:
[60:19] That what we've had that created all of this rain. If you watch it daily, you will see a definite trend. Low pressure brings higher tide. Low pressure reinforces the incoming tide. It will stair step up with every incoming tide. It will come in strong and it will go out a little bit weaker. And then whenever it comes, the next incoming tide, it's going to come in strong again. So day by day, when you have low pressure that's hanging around, it will have higher than normal tides.

Speaker 4:
[60:54] Scott, you want to go ahead, I'll hang with that. High pressure days are smoother offshore too. Yeah. I mean, we didn't there wasn't really a whole lot of reason to bring all that up, Dean, because now you've got Scott excited, but.

Speaker 1:
[61:12] Go ahead, Scott, before we get to move on here.

Speaker 3:
[61:15] What's usually going on when we have low pressure?

Speaker 4:
[61:18] See, I was going to be polite.

Speaker 3:
[61:19] Windy.

Speaker 4:
[61:21] Uh-huh.

Speaker 3:
[61:23] I mean, that's...

Speaker 4:
[61:24] Well, also...

Speaker 2:
[61:27] You can have low pressure without wind.

Speaker 4:
[61:29] Also, though, when we have low pressure...

Speaker 2:
[61:31] And the tide will still come up with low pressure, no wind.

Speaker 4:
[61:35] When we have low pressure, it's quite often this time of year going to be a southeast wind. When we have high pressure, it's quite often going to be a west or a southwest wind.

Speaker 2:
[61:45] So how do you explain this with all of the north and east wind with the low pressure?

Speaker 4:
[61:52] Northeast wind stacks tide.

Speaker 2:
[61:55] Not on my part of the world.

Speaker 4:
[61:59] So your tide isn't getting as high as the northeast because of the pressure?

Speaker 2:
[62:02] Every bay, no, it's the pressure. So think about, okay, so you have a tropical storm, a tropical, a mild tropical event offshore. What do you get with that? A super high tide. So even these small low pressure events that we have now, and the low pressure came directly over between corpus, it almost went straight over corpus, the direct, I mean, you could look at the wind, you could see how it's circulating. The low pressure went straight over corpus, Christie, and it was moved very slow. That's why we got rain for almost two days here, the first rain that we've had in five years. And Scott said, I mean, John said, just remember the tide is 2.5. That is, man, that's two feet above normal. Yeah. 18 inches for sure.

Speaker 4:
[63:03] Rain raised it up. You know, when I back my boat in the water today in the harbor, I noticed that the whole damn thing rose two inches.

Speaker 2:
[63:14] That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 4:
[63:15] Like a bathtub.

Speaker 2:
[63:16] That it rained three inches. So it only came up three inches of rain. The other 15 inches.

Speaker 1:
[63:24] I don't know about that math, but yeah, keep going.

Speaker 4:
[63:27] Hey, Scott, whenever you're having a tropical storm, small hurricane and a low pressure comes right over your place. What's in that low pressure?

Speaker 3:
[63:35] When?

Speaker 4:
[63:36] Eye of the storm, maybe.

Speaker 2:
[63:38] Yeah, exactly. And this is exactly what that was. We were in the eye of the storm. It was just a very small representation of that storm.

Speaker 4:
[63:51] I don't disagree that the verometer has to do with how well it can come in or go out. But when I see arguments that it's like a major factor, that pressure don't hold nothing to a 25 mile an hour East or West wind.

Speaker 1:
[64:07] Right. Good stuff.

Speaker 4:
[64:09] But I agree, Dean. White flag, Dean.

Speaker 1:
[64:12] Yeah. White flag.

Speaker 2:
[64:13] I'm going to send you the link right now.

Speaker 1:
[64:17] This show is going on after the show. And I want you. That's the best part of it.

Speaker 2:
[64:23] Oh, this will continue.

Speaker 4:
[64:25] Do you have any idea how many links, when we get off in Flat Earth, do you have any idea how many links get sent to me, that I don't read those either?

Speaker 2:
[64:33] This is not over.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 3:
[65:22] It wasn't a lot of rain, you know, as far as just total inches, but it lasted a long time. It was just a real light. It's what we needed.

Speaker 1:
[65:31] Drenching.

Speaker 3:
[65:32] A lot of what we needed is just a good slow rain for two or three days. Now, I'm going to have to tune up the lawn mower. Normally, by this time of year, I'm mowing every five or six days. I mean, I've been mowing like once every week now.

Speaker 2:
[65:50] You're going to need your skeeter spray too.

Speaker 3:
[65:52] Yeah, I'm going to need a little skeeter spray. I don't know. It wasn't really enough rain to make puddles, so I don't know. We'll see how it goes.

Speaker 2:
[66:00] Those skeeters live on blades of grass out there.

Speaker 3:
[66:03] Yeah, they do. I figured it out though. I went and got a whole trailer load of wood to work in my garage and build my little office fishing shop thing. There was no rain in the forecast really. I mean, it was a little light here and there. I brought that trailer load of wood home, parked it in the driveway.

Speaker 1:
[66:22] Guys, open up.

Speaker 3:
[66:23] Man, I mean, the whole damn thing. We went from 30 or 40 percent chance of rain to 100 percent chance of rain.

Speaker 1:
[66:32] Yeah, it's like forgetting your umbrella. Caleb, let's put some people on some fish here, man, in your neck of the woods. What are you going to do? It seems like it'll be a little bit umbrella.

Speaker 4:
[66:41] This week, this weekend looks nice, but it'll stick to the forecast like 10 to 15. It said that today too. Tomorrow also says 10 to 15, but it looks nice. I do. Man, I think that the middle of the bay for drifting, if it's shrieked up at all, I'd be surprised. I think that there's a chance it could still be dirty. Hopefully, it's not, but Friday is still blowing pretty good. Man, grass lines. You see shad or something spraying up here. Stopping fish on them and be thorough about it. Dropping plastic every six feet or work a top water down it or something like that. But this is the time of the year where up against the grass, whether I'm in a boat or waiting, I really like to do it out of my boat while other people are waiting. Makes for stories on here. But out of the boat or waiting, I really like grass lines for a good while coming up.

Speaker 1:
[67:36] All right, Dean, wrap it up. We've been on some fish here the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2:
[67:42] It's been pretty decent. Not really piled up anywhere, but consistent across the flats. We got a windy week coming up. I mean, we had ridiculous, we had ludicrous wind for 10 days before this little weather event came in and mixed that up. Then we're just going back to regular springtime wind for the next bunch of days. This high tide will probably stick with us until we get some high pressure that pushes it out.

Speaker 1:
[68:16] I see what's in here.

Speaker 2:
[68:19] The subsurface soft plastic bite has just dominated over the last bunch of days.

Speaker 1:
[68:28] Make sure it's weedless.

Speaker 2:
[68:29] The top water has been a lot of exercise with no results. We gave them little nomad paddle tails a good workout in the last week. And I think we proved a pretty good point with that too.

Speaker 1:
[68:50] Yeah. And there's a video. I did an actual review for the YouTube channel.

Speaker 2:
[68:54] The productivity of a paddle tail swimming through the grass has been the way to go.

Speaker 1:
[69:03] All right. Book these guys. Go ahead, Caleb.

Speaker 4:
[69:05] Dean, have you thought about changing your guide service to Freddie Mercury's Guide Service?

Speaker 1:
[69:10] Why is that?

Speaker 4:
[69:11] You're under pressure, man.

Speaker 1:
[69:14] I'll set you up anytime you need me to. Book these guys. They're awesome. And you get knowledge like this and you'll get arguments. You can argue with them on the boat about high pressure and low pressure and actuals and all that stuff. Just reach out to them on the group page or any of their social media. Any other announcements here? Don't forget we got another big announcement next week. Y'all good? Good? Good? Good?

Speaker 4:
[69:39] Looking good. Booking trips.

Speaker 1:
[69:41] All right. Let's do it. Book those trips.

Speaker 2:
[69:42] Oh, I got one. I got one announcement. Slickwater Marine in Rockport, Texas is now our fifth retail outlet for the shootout.

Speaker 1:
[69:54] How about that? How about that?

Speaker 4:
[69:56] Those are good dudes too.

Speaker 1:
[69:57] They're really good dudes.

Speaker 2:
[69:59] You'll hear another one coming soon down down south Padre Island area.

Speaker 1:
[70:06] Nice. And yeah, I love those guys. It's Slickwater. You'll hear more from them real soon. But book our guys here. They're fantastic. They're fun. I love them. You love them. Until then, you guys have a great week, great weekend. Catch them up. We'll talk to you next time.

Speaker 4:
[70:23] You know, this dude said it was on the rundown and not only did he say it, he's like, Caleb, I'm going to save this one for you and come to you last. Guides, why don't they get along? So I spent a solid seven minutes getting something ready for it. We never touched it, did we? Right blinker, turn left. See you next week.