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Speaker 2:
[00:45] They're a knowledge cult. That's the wheel worship of the Giants, the eight Sabbaths. This has been what's created both before and then again after the flood was Zoroastrianism, as we have come to know it. And it was designed to house that ancient knowledge. But trouble is, is we see this constant war and rivalry going on, and there's knowledge being destroyed consistently. They don't have all of that knowledge.

Speaker 4:
[01:11] So fragments.

Speaker 2:
[01:12] It's in fragments now. They're trying to continue to reassemble it. But they're saying they're going to have this great discovery as well in the end time. And where that knowledge was originally hidden was underneath the Great Pyramid.

Speaker 5:
[01:29] The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine.

Speaker 6:
[01:34] The Smithsonian, if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it.

Speaker 2:
[01:41] I'm going to assume at least one person is right. Because if one person is right, it busts the paradigm.

Speaker 1:
[01:47] It all goes back to the fallen Cherub.

Speaker 2:
[01:49] And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural.

Speaker 6:
[01:54] This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning, associated with this Mount Hermon event.

Speaker 5:
[02:04] And this guy defects from the kingdom.

Speaker 4:
[02:07] That's a big deal.

Speaker 7:
[02:15] We are excited to be back in the basement with Gary Wayne. Gary, welcome back to Blurry Creatures. It's been a while. You had your second book, Genesis 6 Conspiracy Part II came out in 2004. We've been trying to get you back on the show since then. I wore my Canadian tuxedo because you came all the way from Canada today. And we're talking giants. We got our Nephilim skull here. Welcome to the basement. You've been there from the beginning of our podcast, and we talked about your first book, and we've talked about CERN, Beast Empires and Bloodlines, and all kinds of things. So there's some previous episodes.

Speaker 4:
[02:48] Thrice Times, Gary has been on the old podcast. This is the fourth rodeo we're going to do.

Speaker 7:
[02:54] We're excited to talk about giants.

Speaker 4:
[02:55] Yeah, we are, because since you last came on, you do have the second part of your book.

Speaker 7:
[02:58] It's right here.

Speaker 4:
[02:59] We were talking pre-roll. One of my favorite stories about the first book, Genesis 6 Conspiracy, is that Nate's grandmother, At 99. At 99, read the entirety of Genesis 6 Conspiracy.

Speaker 7:
[03:09] And called me and had some questions, to say the least. Welcome back, Gary.

Speaker 2:
[03:16] Well, thank you for inviting me back. And so happy to be back with you guys and looking forward to the discussion. And hopefully, if our track record is good, is we're going to raise a lot of curiosity and get a lot of audience attention, because that's what we're here to do.

Speaker 7:
[03:35] You know, we love to talk Giants. We haven't talked Giants specifically in a while, but we'd love to get into some of the research in your second book and some nuggets, because our listeners have been coming along this journey for the last six years, so they know a thing or two about how the Nephilim got here and the origin of demons and things like that, so we don't have to do a complete Nephilim 101, but we'd love to get into, you know, one of the questions we get a lot is the second incursion and all these kinds of, okay, I understand Giants, but I thought they were wiped out and they come back. It's like cockroaches, you can't get rid of them, or raccoons. What do we do, Gary? How do we know? How do you do the research to find these nuggets for your second book?

Speaker 2:
[04:20] Yeah, I mean, and how do you find the proper research even to begin the process, which was what I had to sort of deal with because I wasn't trying to set out to research Giants. I set out to learn about prophecy. But to do that and to find out whether or not prophecy writers were being truthful. Were they interpreting all sorts of different things? Were they being accurate? Was there anything that I should be concerned with? And I thought even if there was 10%, that was true in terms of what Hal Lindsay wrote about, because he's the one who got me on this track.

Speaker 4:
[04:55] Yeah, the light gray planet Earth, right?

Speaker 2:
[04:56] Yeah, and so I had to verify whether or not he was being accurate or not. And so the only way you can do that is you have to log the Bible.

Speaker 4:
[05:05] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[05:05] Right? And I had a background which I didn't know was going to come back into play because when I was young, I was very much a history buff and a mythology buff. But I wasn't really aware, well, I wasn't aware of giants in the Bible. So when I'm starting to log prophecy narratives and putting it down in handwritten files and log things, and I get the Genesis 6 pretty quick in the first read, I'm going, well, whatever that is, I don't want anything to do with it. That's crazy stuff. That's not what I'm here for. So I ignored it, right? But then as I'm going through, giants come up, demons, fallen angels, things all the way through the book. And as you're going through a few more times, because you never get everything the first time through, or the first 10 times through the Bible, I decided there's too much here to just ignore. And I don't know what I'm going to do with it. I don't know whether I will do anything with it, but I'm just going to log it because it's kind of connected somehow, some way that I'm not sure of yet. But there's a relationship there. So after about 15 years of logging the Bible, I decided I have all these files and I've put it all into narratives and I haven't touched the giant stuff at all. I thought I have enough information here to write maybe 15 books or some very large books, however, it's going to sort of work out. But I have a lot of material here, but I don't have a university education. I'm not a minister, I have not done any seminary schools, I've not gone to courses or anything like that. I'm a layman who came back through a challenge that I took to read a book that scared the socks off of me. And I've come at it with perhaps a different lens than other people might because I'm research based and I use research sort of techniques of my own disciplines that try and keep me on track. And I thought, can I write a book? And I don't have a platform. I'm nobody, like can I even get published, let alone can I write the book? Would anybody buy it? So I thought, well, I'm going to do something fun because I have this material that I've collected and I'm going to just see whether I can connect Genesis 6 with Revelation and write a short book. So that's how I got started on it. But I knew as I was writing this book, all of this material is talked about in all continents, all around the world, in all cultures, all religions. Just done through a polytheist lens. And secularism has recorded it, but through a secular lens. And it's been sort of sterilized through that secular sort of lens. So I wrote the first 10 chapters pretty quick. Then I thought, well, maybe I should include a little more context for Christians because that's kind of what my target market is going to be intended to be. Not kind of, but it's the whole market. But I'm also wanting to write the book in a way that people will take a look at the Bible, maybe a second look at the Bible, or a first look because of the connections that I'm going to draw. So I understand from that perspective, how do you go from knowing nothing about Giants to try and learn it? And understand that this is a hidden history, as I talk about in Book 1 and Book 2, and that this information isn't designed to be out there in massive quantities or in ways that you may find easily accessible, so you have to do a lot of digging, you have to connect a lot of dots, you have to go to sources you've not seen before. But what I learned is, is the Bible is the most reliable history on it, the most accurate history, the less cloaked in myth and allegory than other ones, but it intersects perfectly with the polytheist accounts just seen through the monotheist lens. And so after writing Book One, I thought I would not write another sequel to it because it's an 800 page book.

Speaker 4:
[09:05] So just to recap, you publicly said you weren't going to do it.

Speaker 2:
[09:08] I said I was not going to do it. I had another book I wanted to do. Still haven't finished that book because of it.

Speaker 7:
[09:14] Like you had your own sort of research-based encounter with the Giants, whereas I think some people have a paranormal experience. Then they get into things like Bigfoot and the Giants because they see something. But yours is just like running into this theme over and over and over again in scripture. And you're like, I can't ignore it anymore. Whereas, you know, maybe the casual reader or researcher or somebody who's writing a book might sort of circumnavigate that I'm writing something about the Gospels or something and they wouldn't go into it. You just couldn't ignore the Giants.

Speaker 2:
[09:47] I couldn't. And I didn't realize the importance to end time prophecy in so many different ways. But the most important lesson was trust what the Bible says. Don't rewrite what it says. Don't reimagine what it says. And don't think that it exaggerates and accept that it is the most preternatural book ever written. And it has a 6,000-year history for us that hints at maybe even an older history that is our template to understand this world. And it gives us, even though it doesn't maybe give us a lot of details, it gives us all of the information to the reference points that the polytheist world that we live in, and which controls the secular world, as I talk about in Book 1, and how that works between what we think is secular objective science and its relationship to the seven sacred sciences and polytheism, even to this day it controls it, is that it is a history that is designed to keep us hidden and asleep, that we get hints at it. They want to use it enough to maintain power in this world, but yet they don't want you to know who they really are, because we outnumber them significantly. And if we ever rose up in great numbers, we could overthrow them, and we have over time. But because we don't understand the history and how they set up, that this is a, that they have a worldwide hegemony that's been with us ever since the Giants were created, and less than 1% of the population likely, and I know there's an extended bloodline family, but of the true power elite have controlled us ever since through holding all the money and all the power and the education.

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Speaker 2:
[13:43] Yeah, because what people don't understand is that in the secret societies who take their genealogies back to specific patriarchal bloodlines from giants, from specific celestial mafia godfathers, as I like to call them, fallen angels, or gods in polytheism, that the knowledge that one of their main patriarchs, Enoch, son of Cain, and understand in the Bible there's two Enoch's, one son of Jared, one son of Cain, that again, they like to conflate to keep us confused, received knowledge from Cain that Adam was taught in Eden according to their accounts and this was a great plantation. It went from the Nile to the Euphrates, went from Mount Hermon to the Indian Ocean, and there was orchards, there was crops of many types, there was domesticated animals and there was one individual and one wife created for him afterwards to give him some help. This is a massive agricultural project in the beginning of agriculture in the civilized world that is going to require some knowledge that Adam is going to need to run and according to the Polytheists, Adam has taught this knowledge and it's passed on to Enoch and Cain goes to Nod in the Bible, finds a wife that we're not told of where she comes from. It builds a city for people we don't know who for and first son is Enoch and he names the city Hanok, which is just a transliteration of Enoch and that Enoch has taught this knowledge that Cain learned from Adam and this is the agrarian knowledge that they're going to bring to the nomads.

Speaker 7:
[15:28] Sounds like Eden is very big.

Speaker 2:
[15:30] It's huge and east of Eden would be on the other side of the Euphrates River in Sumer where the black heads and Mesopotamian giants and everything is sort of associated with as you start to link in some different things. But this knowledge is put into seven sacred sciences by Enoch and it's developed. And then when the giants are created, they're going to take over this knowledge that is also merging with the knowledge that comes from the gods in Bollytheism and from the fallen angels in the book of Enoch. And it's going to take it to a level we're just catching up to to this day. So it's very powerful knowledge and the giants are going to take over. So they're going to maintain that hegemony right from the beginning. Once the giants are created, they take over their warriors. So they're going to be able to take over the world. And they're huge compared to humans. Let me just sort of finish here, cap off where we're going on. I know it's a long, long sort of rant, but it's perfect for the table setting of the things that we're going to be talking about. So these seven sciences are going to have to be put into a system where the mundane, the descendants of Seth aren't going to have, or people who aren't going to be of the royal bloodlines that the Canaanites are going to intermarry into with the giants. And so they create their own mystical religion. I call it Enochian mysticism in Book 1. The secular world that's recorded in polytheism would understand it as Zoroastrianism both before and after the flood, and somehow crosses over the flood. And this is the religion that merges, as I said, with the knowledge from heaven. And they're going to create mystery schools to teach just the elite. The aleem, elites, the hybrids. And again, they name everything, but we don't understand their terminologies. And if people aren't familiar with the term el, that's the Hebrew name for a god or an angel, right? And they're the ones who created their spurious offspring, the Giants. And so, they're going to create this mystical religion that's taught in degrees, just as universities have degrees. And it's a knowledge cult, and they're going to develop this knowledge. And then the secret societies take their beginning back to these secrets, these mystery schools. Mystery schools are a mystery religion. It's a mystery knowledge religion, and that's their start before the flood. And then those secret societies will be restarted again with Nimrod after the flood. But just to sort of get this on the table. So when we look at the seven liberal sciences today, it's the same knowledge that is controlled by polytheism. And how do we know that? Because of what they decided to do right from the beginning with the knowledge. One was to lead people away from God. Second was to not give God credit for anything. The third thing was to slander God. And the fourth thing was to honor everything they do in their religion after their gods. So they build architecture on universities that are from the beast empires, which are run by the giants after the flood. They're going to set up this degree system. They're going to name everything after their gods. You don't hear anything named after things of the Bible. It's always about the polytheist religions. Anything but creationism out of the Bible is permitted in universities. But that is not. Whether it's whatever label you want to put it on, on a creation or design type of beginning, they cannot permit it. And you're going to achieve a degree at the end, as you would do moving up in mysticism. You're going to be dressed in black garbs, which are basically Mithraic, Cathar, gowns of priests, right? This is a whole ritual on everything that we're going through. So it's important to understand how they control science and why science is only funded by pre-conceived agendas that would come and produce a particular outcome. And if you don't come to them for funding with what they want to be researched on, and they don't approve it because it doesn't achieve their goal or their narrative, you don't get funded. So they control everything from that aspect. And so we live in the sea of polytheism, and we don't understand the world that we live in. But they tell us in certain ways, we just are not learned enough to understand how they do that. So they know they can hide everything in plain sight.

Speaker 4:
[20:24] So they cloak it in secularism though, right? So that's the interesting part of that.

Speaker 2:
[20:29] Yes, they do, and evolution.

Speaker 4:
[20:30] Right.

Speaker 2:
[20:31] But evolution goes back to polytheism. It's just a different way to godhood. They just don't tell you the end goal with that.

Speaker 7:
[20:37] Something you brought up that I don't think that we've heard a lot on our show is that sort of this idea that Adam got knowledge. What's the difference between the knowledge from the angels and the knowledge that Adam brings from the tree? Is there...

Speaker 2:
[20:49] Well, yeah, there's different aspects of it. So Adam is created and he's going to be provided knowledge. Whatever knowledge it was, we're not told biblically, but one presumes somebody is teaching him, likely God, because that's all we have for information there on this. And yet, he's permitted to do anything that he wants at this point in time because he's completely innocent, he doesn't know good from evil. And that's how Satan, through the serpent in the hash, is going to deceive Adam and Eve after Eve is created. So they're going to get this additional discernment of understanding the flip side to knowledge. So we understand knowledge, I think, quite well in our age that it is a two-sided coin or a double-edged sword. It can be used for good or it can be used for evil. And so, knowledge is neither good nor evil.

Speaker 4:
[21:48] It's a tool, right?

Speaker 2:
[21:49] It's a tool. It's the application and the intent and the spirit of what you're doing that counts. And so, this is added to the mix and they're not ready for this, right? And so, now they're going to be continually influenced by fallen angels after the fallen Eden. And if there are other people created other than Adam and Eve, and I think there is, based on the details being different in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 and the way Adam is created and a whole bunch of other details, then they would already have been converted to polytheism. They would already have been worshipping the pantheon. And this serpent that deceives Adam and Eve is unaccounted for. It's a walking, talking, intelligent being. And the word Nahash has a root word, Nahash, in Hebrew. That's a C-H there pronounced with an H sound, not a K sound, or hard, or sound. And it goes back to the Nahash word as a source that carries forward some of the meanings that, as a necromancer, enchanter, sorcerer, wizard, a priest of polytheism, as we would understand that today, is the one that is deceiving with the help of Satan, Adam and Eve. And if people think it's Satan, well, biblically, you can't really get there and you can't ignore some of the details unless you do that by ignoring the details or using an allegorical interpretation. Ezekiel 28 says that Satan was in Eden, but he was the anointed cherubim when he was in Eden, not in his seraphic form. I'm not saying he doesn't have a seraphic form because he does, as a seraphim would, but in Eden, the Bible says he is a cherubim, and the Book of Enoch records that angel as Gadreel, meaning wall of God. So this is probably his cherubic name versus the mystical Judaic aspect would say Satan's seraphic name or seraphim serpent dragon name would be Samael. And so Halal would be another name for him as part of the Morning Star Order as in Isaiah 14-12, Halal ben Shakar. And it should be translated as Halal not Lucifer or Morning Star or some of the other different day stars, some of the different translations.

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Speaker 2:
[26:03] So yeah, we have this unaccounted for polytheism that's in place with no detail.

Speaker 7:
[26:11] And why do you think there's no detail?

Speaker 2:
[26:14] Because it was likely understood at one time that there was more going on, and this is likely a recreation of the Adamite line that is created, as I talk about in Book Two, for the resolution to the angelic rebellion. They're created for a special purpose down the road, which is why Yehovah of the Elohim is going to have, which is Lord God, as you get that in the KGV Bible, is going to have an intimate relationship from the time he creates them right through to becoming the Word made flesh, right? So there's a plan that's in place for the angelic rebellion and or that resolution. So once you start to understand these pieces, you know there's a heck of a lot more going on. And when people say, well, how do you get there if there was no sin in the world until Adam violated the one law that he was given not to eat from it? Well, because the Book of Romans tells us that when there's no law, there's no consequence. And the law wasn't introduced until the creation of Adam. So what was going on with the serpent people or with the people of Day 6 had no implication or consequence according to the law. It's not been set in place. So Bible tells us these things if we want to pay attention to it. But it's hard to connect the dots because the churches don't teach us about prehistory and they don't teach us about prophecy. But it's important understanding to help to try and understand what happened in the ancient world because nothing is new under the sun. What was will be again is ecclesiastical. One talks about, and as you move on with that passage, it's going to say the understanding of this wisdom only brings grief and sorrow. So what's happened before is going to happen again, and that's why it's so important.

Speaker 4:
[28:11] It's like the days of Noah, right?

Speaker 2:
[28:12] That's what Jesus was. That's exactly why he uses that word.

Speaker 7:
[28:16] What do you think's going on around Eden at that time then? Because we just did an episode with Ryan Peterson about the gap theory and lots of commotion and bustling about it.

Speaker 4:
[28:25] People really don't like it either.

Speaker 7:
[28:26] Yeah, they don't like it.

Speaker 2:
[28:27] Well, and I don't blame them because we're taught from childhood the standard dogma from the churches, but then they don't answer the questions you might have about it.

Speaker 4:
[28:39] Where are all these people? Why are there cities when King gets booted out?

Speaker 2:
[28:41] Yeah, and if you're pursuing the questions, they ask you to leave the church, right? And so when you look at the Hebrew, you can answer a lot of questions versus the translation into English, but I'm not here to trash the translators, because Hebrew words and Greek words can be translated in multiple words and definitions, and you have to choose the correct translation and be consistent. The most famous translation that we have is the KGV, the King James Version Bible, and the translators said, we don't want to apologize for our inconsistencies of our translations out of the Hebrew or the Greek, so you don't get as consistent a translation as what you might like, but they might have been trying to show us, there's a couple of different ways to understand this, but only the elite were educated at that time, so they couldn't read the Bible anyways, and they wouldn't have known Hebrew, let alone Latin or Greek or anything else. So understand that when we look at Genesis 1 and 2, there's a couple of interesting words that begin it after God created the heaven and the earth. It basically says that the earth was void and without form, or formless, depending on what translation that you're talking about. And it's that Hebrew word was, that's the kicker. And that's the Hebrew word hava. And it can mean was, it can mean is, it can mean became. It's the root word for Yehovah or Yahweh. It's the source word. And he's I am. So you can see sort of the application. But, and he's the Alpha Omega. So it could be all of it, right? In terms of how you understand that terms. But, so if you now translated that as the earth became void and formless, and those are the Hebrew words, tuhu, Hebrew words, tuhu and boho, they mean became a destruction. Something happened to them. And if the earth was created in Genesis 1.1 whole, it's implying something happened to it. And people say, no, that's why we go through this process is because it's not. But then that now becomes in contradiction with other Bible passages downstream. And one of the standards I have is that you have to reconcile everything in the Bible. Otherwise, you're missing something and you've got to keep digging, whether it's prophecy or something right in the first chapter, you have to reconcile the MO pattern where we get additional information added to it, how does it fit in? Or you can ignore it, go on faith, but somebody's going to find a key to crack your faith and wedge a way in if you're not careful because you don't understand enough. So, I'm a contrarian, so I want to know. Yeah. So, you get a passage like Isaiah 45, where it says, God doesn't create anything in vain, He creates everything to be lived in. So, then why did He not create it as He says He did in Genesis 1,1? Why is there a process starting in verse 2? And then you understand that that word vain is tuhu. He doesn't create anything in a chaos that's been destroyed, that's without form. He doesn't do that. He creates everything to be lived in. Then it starts to make sense, well, there's this really weird passage in Psalms 104 that talks about the creation of the angels and the foundations of the earth. Then it says, when God sends His Holy Spirit, the earth is renewed. Well, that's kind of strange. What's this renewal aspect of it? That's why I call the theory, not gap theory, but the renewal of the earth. So, you have this creation account in the Book of Psalms that's talking about when angels are created before creation, as the Book of Job talks about, because they're celebrating at creation in Job 38, where the morning stars, part of that morning star order that I talked about with Satan, and the sons of God are celebrating this creation. So again, we're starting to see some additional information coming into Genesis 1, but you have this destruction that seems to have occurred there, because somehow it became void and formless, sometime after the creation of fallen angels, and does it have any association with the angelic rebellion that may have caused that sort of destruction. So it's this renewal of the earth that shows up in Genesis 1, 2, as you connect that into the Holy Spirit hovering over this chaos.

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[35:12] And then the renewal process happens, right? And so all of a sudden it starts to make a whole lot of sense, and then we have this chapter in 2 Peter 3, which is kind of a macro template going from in the beginning, Genesis 1-1, and the fire that's reserved for the end time, and it's talking about this planet, this earth that was in the water and out of the water that perished. So everybody says, well, that's the flood. Oh really? Well, I don't recall any details of the flood story that says the whole earth perished, only the land animals died. Everything in the sea died. Everything under the ground, insects or whatever didn't die. So how does the whole world perish? And what's this in the water and out of the water things? Well, if you understand the creation renewal process of establishing the firmament, God's going to separate the waters below to the waters above and He's going to create the firmament that's going to be inclusive of the sun inwards as He sets the lights in place later. And He's also talking about in that passage that a year is for us is a thousand, a day is a thousand years for us, right? And so people say, well, that can't be because God established the sun, He doesn't establish the sun and the moon until day four. So all of a sudden now you might have a thousand years between each days or there's a change somewhere through, but you have a longer period of time in there than generally associated with. So if He was renewing the earth with the translation of Hava as the earth became void and formless with the cause that we're not told of, but after the creation of angels, and we know there's a rebellion of angels and we know they provide knowledge and technology and they have angelic technology thereof, that they likely had the ability to destroy the world in a war when they rebelled. So now when we look at this renewal of the earth, we have this water that was in the water. So if you're going to renew the earth, you're going to separate and create the firmament. But if you have a destruction of the world, right down to its foundations as the Book of Job talks about, then that firmament would collapse in that destruction by fire. Now you have an interesting connection to the time of the flood, because is the flood an intercession because of the knowledge passed on to the giants and the antediluvians that they could destroy the world by fire, and God intercedes to permit the flood to come because 2 Peter 3 again says that fire that was in the beginning in the destruction is reserved for the end time. So, things start to make a whole lot more sense and that we start to have a little bit longer earth possibilities both in the days of creation with this possible gap that's between Genesis 1, 1 and 2. And we start to reconcile passages with a better understanding of this other possible translation. And I understand this should not be a faith issue. But if you have questions, you're not going to get answers down a dead-end tunnel.

Speaker 7:
[38:36] So you're saying there's verses like Peter, Ezekiel, Job, and Psalms that are all kind of talking about.

Speaker 2:
[38:42] Cherubi, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[38:43] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[38:44] Things are going on.

Speaker 4:
[38:45] And that's what you need to do. You need to interpret the Bible with the Bible. That's the whole point. So I wasn't asking you, do you think this is just in the same as Genesis 6, that this story at the time of the writing of Genesis was understood, so it's implied? Like, oh, you know this. It's like Genesis 6 is four verses.

Speaker 7:
[38:58] Yeah, it's like there's-

Speaker 4:
[38:59] You guys know the story.

Speaker 2:
[39:00] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[39:00] Two Genesis 6 events on the-

Speaker 2:
[39:02] Yeah, I mean, it was understood. You know, in the time of Josephus, who wrote the Israelite history, so it wouldn't be lost after the diaspora and the war with the Romans and the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. It was common knowledge of giants worldwide, and he made note of that, and that they were the same beings as talked about in Genesis 6. And to show you how things change over time, and how the common understanding has disappeared, you have this interesting passage that he talks about in, I think it's 132, in Antiquities, and there's a special note in there, but it has 120 years in Genesis 6-3, that everybody is told is the commission of Noah, except that God doesn't make a math error, at least I wouldn't think so, being all-knowing. And that the commission of Noah begins with the birth of his children, and that's marked at the end of Genesis 5, and then starts again after 6-4, with the creation of the giants, because the whole earth is being corrupted by these giants and the violence. That's 100 years till he goes on the ark, not 120 years. If you take that back to the Hebrew, this is not talking about Noah's commission, this is talking about a spirit of God that's not going to be in a physical body that's immortal forever, because you're creating gods in the physical world. So you have a physical body that's immortal, that's been created by the fallen angels with the sons of God, as I talked about in Genesis 6.1. And you have an immortal spirit, counterfeit spirit, that's passed on. So what God does is he takes away the immortal physical aspect. So those bodies are going to die and limits the age to 120 years. And Josephus defines it that way as well, from that period of time. And he also provides descriptions of what the Giants looked like and the size of them in his accounts, from their perspective. And these bones were still on display when he lived, to remind the Israelites of who these Giants were and who their ancestors fought.

Speaker 4:
[41:17] Can we get into that now? Because I want to get into the, so you go through in the second book, right, really like a hierarchy of Giants. And I mean, this is a ton of research on your part, but can you walk us through, like, after the flood, they're there again, right? Genesis 6, 4 says they were in the land and they're after, and the flood comes, and then there are Giants again. Obviously, we know this because of the conquest of Joshua, Aga Bashan, but you break it down. You've got the Rephaim, the Anakim, the Amim, the Zemzumim.

Speaker 2:
[41:46] Yep.

Speaker 4:
[41:46] And can you talk about this hierarchy of Giants and how you, and how we are to understand?

Speaker 2:
[41:51] So, where do you want to begin with this? Just with how Giants survived the flood, make that sort of case? Because it's a big question that you just asked.

Speaker 4:
[41:58] It's a huge question, right? Because you have 2nd and Curson, you've got bloodlines on the Ark, you've got...

Speaker 7:
[42:02] And for a second there, you almost made it sound like there were Giants outside of Eden as well. I didn't know if that was something you thought.

Speaker 2:
[42:10] No, I inferred that there were Giants outside of Eden at that time.

Speaker 7:
[42:13] The Blackheads, or out east of Eden? I didn't know what you said something like that.

Speaker 2:
[42:18] No, I wasn't referring to Giants with that. What I would look at, and what I talk about in Book 1 is when we talk about the Blackheads, these are humans that were called Blackheads because they had black hair. Now, there is a relationship that I start to make with Blackheads, Black hair of Giants, a special strain, but that's after the flood when I start to talk about that in Book 2.

Speaker 7:
[42:41] Giants, Genesis 6, that's the beginning.

Speaker 2:
[42:44] Of Giants, yes. Biblically, that's what we get, nothing before. And in polytheism, they'll say Giants were created before that. There's a few different strains, but biblically, we don't get that.

Speaker 4:
[42:57] So we're gonna go with the Bible.

Speaker 2:
[42:58] Yeah, so where I can't find something biblically, I may keep that in mind for context or for understanding of what the polytheists are talking about, but I rely on the Bible. So when we talk about Giants and how they could survive the flood or are they re-created, those are basically the two ways, and there's basically three buckets. The bucket that I least like is somehow on the ark in terms of with the wives or with...

Speaker 4:
[43:31] The wife of Ham, right?

Speaker 2:
[43:32] That's how it is. Yeah, so, and in Book One, I cover off a number of different ways in terms of polytheists will say the wives were giants or they had genes of the giants, or they will talk about Ham being a giant or all the sons being giants or everybody. They have so many different...

Speaker 4:
[43:51] I know as a giant.

Speaker 7:
[43:51] The polytheists think this.

Speaker 2:
[43:53] Yes.

Speaker 7:
[43:54] Really?

Speaker 2:
[43:54] Yes.

Speaker 7:
[43:54] I didn't know that.

Speaker 2:
[43:55] They have many different variants. And some of them even say that Og, this comes out of Judaic mythology or history, that Og was a stowaway on the flood.

Speaker 4:
[44:09] Maybe that's the Book of Giants, where they held on to the side of the ark.

Speaker 2:
[44:12] And in the last Noah, they had not Og, but Tubal Cain.

Speaker 7:
[44:15] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:16] Right? So, you see how they're working some of those things in that we don't get biblically. Right?

Speaker 7:
[44:22] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:23] But again, they're also trying to address how do we get our gene.

Speaker 7:
[44:26] So, that was the polytheist version of Noah.

Speaker 2:
[44:28] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[44:29] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[44:29] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[44:30] Because a lot of Christians didn't like that movie.

Speaker 2:
[44:31] Well, why would you? What was there to like about it?

Speaker 4:
[44:34] Well, maybe the bad guys are the good guys.

Speaker 7:
[44:36] Yeah. And it was done... It wasn't cheesy, which I think people appreciated. It was made like a Hollywood movie, which they had dynamic characters. But yeah, you were just confused. But there were elements of like the watchers.

Speaker 2:
[44:49] Yeah. And in their vision in terms of what was done with them and how they were punished and all sorts of different things and how they helped build the Ark and all sorts of strange things. But that should tell us that they take their history back.

Speaker 7:
[45:03] Sure.

Speaker 2:
[45:04] Right? To the same events just seen through a polytheist lens as they record it. That's part of what they're doing is keeping their history sort of alive. So, if you look at the gene aspect, which again, a lot of Christians like...

Speaker 7:
[45:20] I don't like it either. I like that you're...

Speaker 2:
[45:22] I think it's really complicated because you have to carry the different races of humans across the flood and now mix that in with different kinds of giants, and all have them sort of all appear again after through the wives or however many people you think have the genes. Right. So, to me, that really stretches the scientific capability without some sort of preternatural intervention to make that happen for all of those groups. And then the people say, well, it shows up through the Canaanite line that way. I get there in a different way through the Canaanite line, but not through the wives and genes. I look at the genes of the wives perhaps being the four races of day six, right? Or three races and maybe additional race of the atomites. And that makes everything fine as you come down through Noah from Eve as the mother of all creation, right? Through the sons. So, you have a direct logical sort of path for what Scripture is talking about.

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[47:52] But I leave that crack open because what we don't have after the flood is a 6-4 passage for a second incursion. So the second bucket, which I am open to, I'll leave a larger crack open too, because we don't have that smoking gun passage after the flood, is somehow on the arc with the help of angels, or let's just call it somehow with the help of angels. So angels provide another arc, as is Ducalian and Prometheus, who is the son of Prometheus, so he is a giant, right, not a human. Or with Utnapishtim in the epic of Gilgamesh story and all of his family, but they are two-thirds god, one-third human, and all created from gods and humans, and so they are demigods, they are giants. So again, not a human one. So angels with their technology or help could have provided other arcs, or taken them off the world in clouds, or in technological arc ships, or somehow in the earth somehow, with underground cities or whatever, or in another dimension, or somehow some way they could have done that. And I'm fine with that because God is Alpha Omega. He knew when he created all of the angels, everything they were going to do. So he knew they were going to do all of this, but he lets it play out through free choice. But let me get through the different scenarios over here. Because when I talk, I create so many questions in people's heads. I get that. But just for the audience, so that we get through this sort of part of how they might show up after. So I leave that open from a legal perspective in understanding Genesis 6 and Genesis 7. So if I got the passages right, it's Genesis 6, 7 and 7. And 4, where it says in those two passages is that God was going to destroy everything He created. He didn't create the Giants. The fallen angels did with humans. It was illegal against the laws of creation and other violations against the Holy Spirit that they did to do that. And thus, were punished accordingly for doing that. But we have this legal argument that they could have survived by the help of fallen angels as the polytheists account for.

Speaker 4:
[50:15] Like their fathers, basically, right?

Speaker 2:
[50:16] Yeah. So, we have to leave a crack open because a legalistic approach to those two passages would suggest that that might be the case. I lean heavily towards a second incursion because I can use New Testament passages to get there and Old Testament passages to get there. But I don't have the smoking gun verse. But what we do get in Genesis 6-4 is that the sons of God went to the daughters of men and did so again. And you take that back to the Hebrew, in like manner, to create these giants, which were the mighty men of old. So, does that mean again after the flood? Does it mean again after the original incursion before the flood and many times? Or does it mean both? So, it's not perfectly clear, but it does leave open the door for a second incursion. And we get so many passages of the Raphaim, the Anakim, the Makathim, the Avim, the Casualhem, and so many different names and tribes that people have never associated with giants because we're not taught these things in the church, but they show up after the Bible, they don't have any patriarchs in the Table of Nations, which is how the gene thing sort of comes in. But if we look at Jude 1-6, it takes us into the crimes of the fallen angels at the time of the flood and equates it with the same crimes going on at Sodom and Gomorrah. And they're doing so with crimes with doing things with strange flesh, which is a different kind or a different species of these sexual violations. So there's a relationship to the same things that the fallen angels did before the flood and what's happening after the flood. And you get the same type of language being used in 2 Peter as well in 2 Peter 2, in the accounts of the crimes that happened in the time of Sodom and in the times of the flood. So we get an inference there that these giants are possibly recreated again after the flood and at Sodom and Gomorrah. What's interesting is in the Gnostic accounts, Polytheist accounts, they look at these giants first being planted at Gomorrah before the flood and then at Sodom after the flood. So again, we can't use that because it's not Biblical. But there's a Polytheist account that would suggest there's a relationship here, talking about it from a Polytheist lens and a Monotheist lens. That's the only reason why I bring that up. So when we look at the 70 nations after the flood, they have 70 patriarchs in Genesis 10 and 1 Chronicles. So what we don't get is Rafa. And Rafa is the Hebrew word for giant that's used 25 times in the Old Testament for giants after the flood. And Rafa is the patriarch for the Rafaim tribe. People will say, well, what are you talking about? I've never heard of a Rafaim giant tribe. Well, Genesis 14 has the Rafaim tribe that lived in the Mount Hermon region where giants were created, right? And we also get it in Genesis 15 in the Mighty 7 and the Mighty 10 nations that occupy the land of the Covenant, Eden, that is going to be given to Abraham, right? Because he's the inheritor through that genealogical line back to Adam and the Rafaim are in that land. And then there are other nations in there like the Parasite, Paraseme as I call them, Parasites as I record it. They don't have a patriarch in the Table of Nations. You have the Triple K that I talk about, the Kenites, the Kenazites and the Kadmonites. They do not have a patriarch in the Table of Nations. There are unaccounted for. And where we get the connection that maybe we better pay attention to the patriarchal name is with the Anakim giants that are one of the tribe giants with the famous kings of Talmai, Sheshai and Ahiman in the Scout Report of the Ten Scouts that went into the Land of the Covenant. And we have Joshua and Caleb that are going to report the acrid part. And then we have the other ones that are terrified of these giants. And they said the Anakim are the sons of giants. Nephilim. Well, they are not Nephilim, even though it is used twice there. That is the only three times you get giant for Nephilim in the Bible, the Genesis 6, 4, Numbers 13, 33. But this is in the exaggeration part of the report to terrify the Israelites not to go in and take on these giants. So we know Anakim aren't Nephilim, and how do we know that? Because in Deuteronomy 2, with some of the tribes that you were talking about, in terms of the Zanzazim and the Amim, the Anakim are also listed. And Anakim are giants, not Nephilim, but Raphaim. And so that's the post-Elovian terms. They're somehow distinct from the Nephilim. Otherwise, you'd use Nephilim there again. There's, again, the Hebrew is telling us something, but they are giants, and they're called giants in Deuteronomy 2.

Speaker 7:
[55:42] What do you think the difference is?

Speaker 2:
[55:44] I think they're smaller. I think it's the second incursion after the flood. I think there's more restrictions that are put on after the flood. And I don't think they have as many gifts. And they also have a fertility issue that shows up after the flood, which is why they're going to have to intermarry. So as we look at this, now we can take that patriarch that were provided in the Bible for the Anakim Giants. And it shows up in the Book of Joshua, in the War of Giants, in the Exodus, that the patriarch and the greatest Anakim giant, and the term patriarch, or the father of the Anakim, is Arba, as in Kyriath Arba, the name of his city that they're talking about in the report of the scouts that we would know today as Hebron, because the name changes. Kyriath Arba means city of Arba. Right? Arba is the patriarch, and Telmai, Sheshai and Ahiman are somehow descendants and kings as Anakim giants of Arba. And Arba means four, so it could mean he's the fourth giant created after the flood, or there's four sons, or there's four of them, but we don't know at this point in time, but it's an important name. So when we look at Arba, does that show up in the Table of Nations? It does not. Now there's another oddity, and I document all of this in Book Two as I go deep into the Bible, unlike anybody else has, I think, as rather eye opening with all the information that's there for us. As we look at the other anomalies in the Table of Nations is with the Canaanites. And again, why the gene theory is sort of linked in. So, when we look at the Canaanite tribes, we get two sons coming out of Canaan, son of Ham. We get Heth for the Hittites. We get Sidon for the Sidonians. They are going to settle in the north, in the Tier region. But all of a sudden, now we get nine patriarchal tribes. All the other tribes in the Table of Nations have a patriarch. Why do we not have a patriarch for these individuals? And when you take the word family as they are described, back to it, it starts to open your eyes. It means basically a different species, a different kind. There is something distinct about these, but there is no patriarch. What we learn from this, and me connecting the dots, is that Rafa'im or giant patriarchs are not in the Table of Nations. Only those lineages back to Noah. And these ones, these nine are there because they are going to somehow come out of Canaan, Heth and Sidon. How? Through their daughters, marrying Rafa'im, who were created sometime after the flood, or somehow survived the flood. I lean towards a second incursion here. So, Canaan, he receives the curse of Ham. Not Ham and the other descendants, only Canaan. He doesn't move to Africa, where their land has been allotted like the rest of the Hamites. He settles into the Covenant land, probably because he is going to intermarry with the Aboriginals, which are the Giants, which aren't accounted for, that are there, and no Table of Nations. And he's going to supply the daughters, probably even at the time of Babel, because the curse happens right after the Ark landing on Mount Ararat, which is curse in Hebrew. This is the mountain of the curse of Ham. And so, he's going to become a bondsman or a slave or subservient to his brothers and other peoples. And he's seemingly by his actions of saying, I'm not going to accept that. But I can now create hybrid giants or create new giants and then hybrid giants. And we're going to create this awesome nation of hybrids in the covenant land. And we're going to be big enough and strong enough not to be subservient. And so he moves there. Now we have a plausible line here that's completely biblical to what's going on here. But the Bible helps us understand this in Genesis 36. That is included in the Table of Nations as an extension thereof in 1 Chronicles, but not in Genesis 36. So we should understand that, I think, that this helps us understand additional peoples that's going on early before the flood. And we're learning about the Dukes of Seir. Seir is a Horim giant, defined as such in Deuteronomy 2. And the Edomites, descendants of Esau, who loses his blessings to Isaac because Isaac steals his birthright and his blessings and the Magianic promise that comes with it, he's going to have a grudge. He eventually, biblically forgives the crimes against him, but Jacob is still going to inherit all of these things, right? So it's done, right? So what he does is he goes and he intermarries with somebody named Aholi Bama. Well, who's that? Well, we read in the Bible, she's a Horim. She's a purebred giant that he's going to intermarry with. And his son, Eliphaz, is going to marry Timna, daughter of Cere, another purebred. And they're going to create a new dynasty. And as I talk about in Book 2, they use, because there's this fertility issue that's going to show up through the lack of producing females, they're going to have to reproduce with humans or go extinct, the Giants. And so they pass on their genetics and their RH negative bloodline through the female dynast, through the female matriarchal bloodline. Yeah. So they establish these new hybrid, smaller than Giants, but larger than humans, that I was also talked about in the Scout Report, where you have Canaanites, Amalekites, Amorites, they're taller than the Israelites, but they're distinct from the Giants. So, and I think you had a post out on your Facebook about the Shazoo, the Shozoo, as I think is, as you said in there, these comes out of, the exocration texts, one particular aspect about the scribe, but they were seven to nine feet tall and they lived amongst the Anakim Giants. So these are the hybrids that are smaller than the actual Giants, which are going to be larger than nine feet by implication.

Speaker 4:
[62:50] And this is like Goliath and his brothers as well, of Gath?

Speaker 2:
[62:53] Well, yeah, they're all sons of a specific giant, Rafa. And a Rafa, as Josephus names them. And so Goliath is six feet, is six cubits and a span, big bilically, and king of Gath, which would be 21 inches, that would make him 11 feet, three inches and stout. We can talk about some of those other details down the road, but understand...

Speaker 4:
[63:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big guy.

Speaker 2:
[63:16] Big guy, more than nine feet.

Speaker 4:
[63:17] Can I add a question? You talked about patriarchs real quick. Can this correlate to Deuteronomy 32, where you have the nations allotted to the Elohim and they rebelled? Could these be the fathers of...

Speaker 2:
[63:28] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[63:28] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[63:29] Let me... I'll come back to that. I'll come back to that in a...

Speaker 7:
[63:32] Well, you said some other stuff about Sodom too. Is it okay to ask questions about that or no?

Speaker 2:
[63:36] Yes, we can. But just sort of let me finish here. So, this is helping us to understand the nations that are going to show up, right? Because we also have Hivim that shows up there. They don't... Horim and Hivim aren't in the Table of Nations. We don't get a patriarch for the casualhim. We don't get a patriarch for the kafterim. We don't get a patriarch for the avim or the emim. And any other ones, I won't go in to name at this point because there's so many of them. Back to the Table of Nations, right? So the consistency is, is nations that derive from giants as giant nations aren't listed, but ones of the original patriarchs out of the Noahites, some of them are listed. And so when we look at Amorite and Jebusite that don't have a patriarch, what's interesting about those names, they go back to a singular name as in Amoree as important, as opposed to Amorite or Amorim as it would be, if it was a pure red giant, and Jebus. And just as we get for Horim, as we would understand that in the plural, in the I am male plural of the majestic bloodline of angels, as it was understood in antiquity, you get Hori in the singular. When you get Anakim, you get Anakhi. When you get Hivim, you get Hivi. For the Huring, which are the secular version of the three branches of the Huring, you get Huri as you take that back to the Hebrew, all singular. Back to specific patriarch, because they were named patronymically, right? And so eponymously named as the tribe from the patriarch. And so, who would Jebus go back to? Who would the Jebusites go back to? How about Jebus or Ubus, because that would be a Y sound in Hebrew, as the patriarch. Yeah. And as you look at that as a definition coming out of the Strongest Concordance, they say, well, it's some sort of relationship to original patriarch. But they don't find that exactly what that means. But Emory goes back to a giant we can trace, not biblically, but through the Ugaritic text. That has the creation as the second incursion of the Raphaim, RPM in the original Semitic. And understand Hebrew is a Semitic language, and we have RPM as a root word for Rafa or Raphaim. And understand the H comes in along with the vowels through the evolution of Hebrew. So the original Hebrew for RPM would be like N-P-L, for Napalim or Nephilim, as you get that H in there as well. Right? So these Balim, Council of Gods that we get in the Bible, people don't understand that as Baal in the plural, the Baalim. Yeah. It's the Baalim, Council of Gods that take over for the parent gods, which were ruled before the flood by El. Baal is the son of El.

Speaker 7:
[66:50] So like a fallen council.

Speaker 2:
[66:53] This is a replacement council because the parent gods went to the pit prison before the flood. So they move up. When you look at host of heaven, that's the Hebrew word sabba, meaning army of angels that were told not to worship, aka polytheism, the stars, right? And that it implies rank and order in an army. So they have rank and order in their hierarchical structure, and so they would move up.

Speaker 4:
[67:19] So it's like mob. It's like if you lock up John Gotti or the mob bosses or Capone, then the underboss now becomes the boss, right?

Speaker 2:
[67:27] And through the visible aspect in the physical world, through their offspring in the same way, through bloodlines, right? Like a mafia godfather. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[67:37] Still calling the shots from prison.

Speaker 2:
[67:38] Okay, so I got two points here. I haven't finished off here yet. I'll try and sort of... I'm trying to let them lose it. Yeah, so, because it's all really, really good stuff, and if I just sort of get back to it. Let's do it.

Speaker 4:
[67:48] Let's do it, Gary.

Speaker 2:
[67:49] So, in the Ugaritic text, we get the Council of the Baleen Council, that rule from Mount Saffon. Saffon is the Hebrew word for north. This isn't Mount Saffon as the seculars were put by Tyr. Mount Hermon is called the Mountain of the North in the Bible, in the land of Bashan, as you get that out of the Old Testament. This is Mount Hermon, where the Council of the Gods was located, that Baal would come through, guess what? The gateway to Hades at the foot of Mount Hermon to inspect and rule over his realm, both on the earth and in the underworld, right? In another dimension. So we have this relationship of words, same Baalim Council that the Bible talks about, and Baal is the one who creates the Raphaim. But other giants, other gods create giants. We get one God that's named Amur, transliterated as Amaru, in Mesopotamia. And a couple other ones, I won't go through them, but they are all very, very similar, and it's a word for Amaree, for Amorite. Now, he has a son, a demigod son, that's a servant, just as the Raphaim are all called servants, and all part of what they call the Assembly of the Dtanu, the Assembly of the Giants, and that's a transliteration of Tuatha Dididan, or the Tuatha Dhanu. There's many different transliterations of that. This is the giant council of tribes who received the divine right to rule as kings after the flood and was done before the flood. And so, he produces a son named Amor of the same name as he's listed. So, now we have the giant and the god that you can take the passing on of that name on. And now you can start to decode in the same way and take back through patriarchal places named after giants and gods of the other patriarchs of the nine, which I do in Book 2. So, it's important to understand that. So, who's this baleen council that we're talking about? Well, as you mentioned, we have the council of gods in Psalms 82. And these council of gods rule over the nations of the earth. How do we know that? That's Deuteronomy 32 that you're talking about. What's interesting in Deuteronomy 32, we get a few different translations of this, of the 70 nations as counted by the sons of Jacob in Exodus 1-5, which was 70 sons born in Egypt, as the sons of Israel that we get in the Maseratic text in the King James Version Bible. And so these 70 nations are numbered by the sons in Exodus 1-5 and the Table of Nations in First Chronicles and in Genesis 10. And Adam is included in here somehow some way. And Israel has not been created before the flood or at the time of the patriarchs that's downstream through Abraham, right? So it's kind of out of place there in terms of how people would understand that, but they're somehow related. I think more prophetically, I'll come to that in a second. Yeah. So these are 70 nations and we have the council of gods who rule over the whole earth and God's land is the land of Eden that he gifts to Israel, right? So these gods rule over all of the lands of the earth except for that, except for when they send the giants in there to squat over on that land. And so, when we look at other translations though, in Deuteronomy 32, 8 as I recall is a passage, or it might be verse 10, but those sons of Israel are translated in the Septuagint as the sons of angels, or in the Aramaic versions out of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the sons of God, which are what we have in Genesis 6. And for the creation of the Giants, we have Job in 38, 4 through 7, sons of God celebrating with the morning stars at the time of creation. And the sons of the Most High, you know, basically, it's not Ben Elohim, it's Ben El Eon there. But it's the same terminology of these sons of God that you could translate there as angels. So if people are saying, well, that just proves the Bible is in contradiction, well, no, it's not. We just don't have the proper understanding. All translations are actually correct. So, Jacob has his name changed to Israel. And people think, because he wrestled with God in that passage, and that's how we get the definition, that's what the word means. Well, that's what it comes to mean. Yeah. But it has a different, older meaning. And so, we have a compound word here, Israel. And we're not told what those two words mean separately. Well, we know what E-L stands for, a God, the God, or an angel. And Sarah is the first part of the compound word. And it has a relationship with Sarah and Prince and Royal, as you get into the words rooted there. But it means a ruler or a prince in that application. So now you have Ben-Sara-El there. And the meaning can be and should be, I think, not as the sons of the prince of God. I think it should be sons of the ruling God, right? Which is now the same thing as the sons of God, who rules everything, El Elion. And so when we look at that translation in that sort of manner, understand that this is a title that is given to Israel. They weren't there then, but in the millennium, it's a prophecy. So in the millennium, the nations are going to be numbered after the sons of Jacob in the millennium. So you have what I call a bipartite prophecy or a dual prophecy. Gives you important information about prehistory. And so we get the set up of the ruling gods ruling over 70 nations after the flood. By implication, the same number of sons, even though they're not listed of Adam before the flood, with the parent gods ruling before the offspring gods take over. And we get the organizational structure of the land and the layout for the tribes of Israel and the reader, because this is happening as the conquest of the covenant land is starting to take place. And we need to understand that prophecy and those details. And it's prophetic for the end time. It's very unique. It's like Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 32, Ezekiel 31, and other bipartite prophecies. They're distinct.

Speaker 7:
[74:59] So, okay, all right, for the person who just listened to this, I would say first off, thought is, the sons of God are more rebellious than we understand them to be.

Speaker 2:
[75:09] Absolutely.

Speaker 7:
[75:10] So, the rebellious just caused the earth to become void, right?

Speaker 2:
[75:13] Yes.

Speaker 7:
[75:13] Then they come back in Genesis 6.

Speaker 4:
[75:16] To wives.

Speaker 7:
[75:16] And then, in that verse, in one series of question.

Speaker 2:
[75:19] Well, in between there, they may have led all of the people of Day 6 astray, and the Anaconda for Nahash, which could have been created a thousand years before Adam and Eve, because he's the beast of the field, right? I mean, before the people of Day 6, Adam and Eve, we don't know when they might be created because there's no Day 8, and the details don't line up with Genesis 1, they're in contradiction. So, the only way you reconcile that is that there's likely two different creations, but the Nihash would have had a thousand years to be corrupted before the people of Day 6 are created, and would have been the preferred species, and had a motive as priests of the Pantheon to deceive Adam and Eve.

Speaker 7:
[76:04] And do you think that the second incursion is in Genesis 6 itself, when it says, you know, there were giants on the earth in those days, before and after, when the sons of God. It's saying, they're saying, this thing happened before and after, when this thing happened.

Speaker 2:
[76:18] Yeah, I think it says both. It says then and after, that's how I would understand it, because when you take that back again in like manner, and we're not told how many times, they just did so again. We're not told how many times again or when, but by inference and by the details we're provided through the passages of Sodom in the New Testament and all the giants that show up after the flood that we don't have an explanation for and we don't have patriarchs for, yes. And that's why, for me, it fits biblically, even though I don't have that smoking gun passage that had happened in Sodom or Gomorrah. But what we do know is it's the same proponents that would do the same thing and why we would have distinct form of giants after the flood.

Speaker 7:
[77:08] Yeah, it's just how maybe modern people read a verse, but it seems like that part comes first, and then how it's done comes after. And then in Sodom and Gomorrah, two angels show up to deal with it. So it seems like there are loyal angels who are sent to kind of clean up areas, it seems to be.

Speaker 2:
[77:28] So what's interesting about that passage, because it opens up a whole plethora of questions, is that we have two angels that show up with Yohova of the Elohim in a physical form. At first they're not recognized by Abraham, but then he recognizes that it's Yohova of the Elohim and it's two angels. And they're physically interacting. Eating, talking, drinking, touching, right? So they have a physical body. And Christians say, well, spirits can't create DNA because they're spirit beings, but somehow they can create a body.

Speaker 7:
[78:04] Well, it pulls the guy through the door. They pull him through the door, so they have arms. They're going to sleep in the courtyard.

Speaker 4:
[78:09] And the men of the tenor are trying to rape them.

Speaker 7:
[78:12] And they're negotiating with each other.

Speaker 2:
[78:14] And then Christians will say, well, but that's the Old Testament, so you don't have a New Testament passage. Well, yes, we do. Hebrews 13. Be nice to angels, lest you come across an angel unaware. So they can be in a physical form, look like a human, and you don't have to recognize them. Exact same scenario that happens at Sodom. But they can also make themselves known because as soon as they go to Sodom, they're recognized as angelic judges, right? Now they want to have sex with them.

Speaker 4:
[78:42] Entertaining angels, right?

Speaker 2:
[78:43] So the question is, is do they want to have sex from a homosexual nature, as what we associate with Sodom? Or do they want to have either their daughters have sex with them, or do they fully understand, as we link in Jude 1-6 and 2 Peter 2, with that strange flesh and this disgusting conversation that's going on, do they understand that they can take a bodily form of their choice and take a female or a male form? And people say, we don't get that in the Bible. Yes, we do. We get talked about Asteroth. We get talked about Diana. We'll test them in New Testament examples of goddesses, which is a violation against the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit is the mother goddess at the chief goddess level. So, they could have been asking them to meet with human, with daughters, or to change form, and that the humans could meet with them to create giants. Either way, the discussion is likely, as it relates to the crimes there, to what happened before the flood, there's reproduction of giants taking place.

Speaker 7:
[79:51] So we, as modern people, read Sodom and Gomorrah, and we're like, man, see, they were so lustful, they even wanted the angels. But I think that they knew, you're saying they knew they could hook up with these angels and produce what they wanted to. So they, I never thought about it like that way, that there must have been other angels mating with humans for them to desire.

Speaker 2:
[80:13] Well, they're kings of Sodom, and the Pentapoles would be Raphaim, or associated Raphaim type giants, because they took over the kingships and the nobility. And so, they're part of and the cause of the War of Giants in Genesis 14, where we get the Raphaim Giants and...

Speaker 4:
[80:35] You call these the Raphaim Wars, right? This is a whole...

Speaker 2:
[80:37] Yeah. There's four giant races coming out of Mesopotamia to war with the Pentapoles of Sodom and Gomorrah, the five city-states, because this is the time of the Earth, the third dynasty. And they've created vassals out of Sodom and Gomorrah previously, and they refuse to pay the tributes anymore. But they have been protected because they've created hybrid nations through the Canaanites. These are Canaanites and Amorites, mostly in Jebusites, as you're talking about in that area. And they have intermarried to create hybrids to live amongst the purebred Giants. And the purebreds are going to rule. And so, they're under the protection of the hegemony and the organizational structure of these giant empires that have formed them into alliances. So in Genesis 14, the four kings don't go directly to attack Sodom and Gomorrah, who aren't paying the tribute. They're going to their protectors first. So they go to Mount Hermon first, and they take out the Raffaeim tribes up there. And then they move down south, and they go in to the Edom area with the southern alliance. They've taken care of the eastern alliance to sort, and one would presume they're coming down and maybe even dealing with the Emim and the Zamzuzim or the Zuzim, because they're mentioned in there as well, as they go down the east side of the Jordan River and then into Edom. And then they're going to work the way back up at the end to Sodom and Gomorrah, because they've taken out their protectors. They don't take on any more of the central alliance, so that might be part of it, but we don't get enough detail there to see the central alliance, but there's certainly none of the northern alliance of Giants that are in there. But this is a massive war that sets up the New World Order, the Nephilim World Order after the flood, it resets it again. Now it's going to have dominance out of Mesopotamia.

Speaker 7:
[82:46] Man. Okay, so...

Speaker 4:
[82:47] So, these giant clans are like loosely, they have alliances, they're like a confederacy, if you will. Yes. But they're not all, they're sort of regionally aligned, and so they, will they fight each other? You talk about how they're squatting in the Holy Land, so they are occupying this space. So when God uses Israel as an instrument of his justice, right, so this is the hardest part of the Bible for a lot of people, is like, why would God sanction genocide? And we're talking about giants here, and you've just laid out this entire map of giant alliances.

Speaker 7:
[83:17] Or hybrids.

Speaker 2:
[83:18] Or hybrids, right? A combination of both.

Speaker 7:
[83:20] So you have hybrid tribes.

Speaker 2:
[83:22] Yeah, like the nine Canaanite tribes. The Amalekites versus the Amalekim that are shown in Genesis 14, why? Because they're a few generations apart, right? Have to be different. Horites, probably created from intermarriage of the Edomites with the Horim to create the hybrids, but don't forget, there's a pure blood of Horim as well.

Speaker 7:
[83:45] Which is like full giant.

Speaker 2:
[83:46] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[83:47] So, the pure bloods and the hybrids have a human mother?

Speaker 2:
[83:50] Yeah. Yeah. So, and the translators, let me just come back to it. The translators don't do us a favor by being consistent in their translation. So, they're probably even a bit confused which one may be the Giants or the Aites as in the hybrids, right? But because why would you have Horim and Horite? Yeah. Why would you have Anakim and Anakite? Why wouldn't they just do it one way? Yeah, they're differentiating here with the offspring. If we sort of get into their shoes and we understand that they were created. So, you had a question about the mother?

Speaker 7:
[84:29] Well, I'm saying like the hybrids, would they have a human mother?

Speaker 2:
[84:32] They could have either.

Speaker 7:
[84:34] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[84:34] A male or a female. So, when we look at the creation of Gilgamesh in Mesopotamia, 6th generation after the flood. Yes, there's a giant before the flood that's in the Enoch Book of Giants. It's not unusual to have giants after the flood, named after giants before the flood. Gog, Magog would be classic examples. And how do we know that? Before the flood, with a parent god that Poseidon later replaces. His name is Iapetus. And through climbing is going to produce Gog, Magog and Elbeon before the flood.

Speaker 7:
[85:12] There's so many tribes of giants. I just don't understand how you couldn't have a second incursion because you've got so much commotion going on, so many different tribes. Something had to produce all of this quickly, right? As opposed to like through the line of the wives down.

Speaker 2:
[85:28] Well, and if you had 200, according to the Book of Enoch, creating offspring before the flood, you had it in like manner. Is there 200 or is there 300 as some people speculate? The best example of having either a father or a mother being human here comes out of the Gilgamesh story. And Gilgamesh is the offspring of King Lugal Banda of Uruk, which is the city first started by Nimrod, third generation. This is sixth generation, or Gilgamesh is, so Lugal Banda would be fifth generation. He is going to have sex with the fertility bull goddess, Nin, to produce Gilgamesh. And what's interesting is both she is a bull goddess, which is a typical title for an angel or a god in the pantheon, male or female. And the offspring Gilgamesh is talked about as a wild bull as well. And in the Ugaritic text, the Baleen Council are called bulls, and their offspring are called bulls, which is in the Bashan region. So now if you are saying, wait a minute, bulls of Bashan. Yes, we have that in the Bible. And guess who is mocking Jesus on the cross? The bulls of Bashan in the Book of Psalms. So we start to understand the language in these different types of invisible beings and visible beings. And understand that that would include some of the demonic spirits that weren't sent to the pit prison mocking Jesus also on the cross.

Speaker 4:
[87:08] We've talked about the golden calf being the translation there would most likely have been a bull. So you have once Moses disappears and the people go crazy, they build an effigy to bail or to hell, whatever, whatever there. And that's, that's what they're worshiping, not a calf. Or more than likely a bull.

Speaker 7:
[87:25] So you have the sort of the game of gods going on.

Speaker 2:
[87:28] The apple's bull cult.

Speaker 7:
[87:30] So from a listener's standpoint, and I am trying to organize this, you have the game of gods kind of going on on earth. And then you have a second council. The first one's locked up, right? And then you have another fallen council, pantheon of gods. And then they're all trying to interbreed and be the most dominant.

Speaker 2:
[87:49] Yeah. So let's bring this into full understanding so people can get a good visual on it. This is the game of thrones.

Speaker 7:
[87:57] Yeah, we need a movie.

Speaker 2:
[88:00] The game of thrones, that was a TV series or a movie, which has thrones associated with both the invisible ones, the council of the gods, and with the thrones of their offspring, the royals. This is the game of thrones and the authority that they are giving them with the 70 nations of realms, right? Okay, so when we start to understand that, God has a throne of God. That's in heaven where his council of angels are.

Speaker 4:
[88:29] Yep, divine council, right?

Speaker 2:
[88:31] The corrupt one is at Naper, which is the same location as Mount Hermon with the cedar forest, cedar forest of Mount Hermon, where the council of gods is located, right? And the assembly of the detanu of the ringlords, both before and after the flood, is where the kings receive their thrones. So, Satan has a counterfeit throne room. He counterfeits everything. He sits above the council of gods as God does. Each of the seven angels, main ones, have their own throne. They probably have ten other nations associated with them to get up to the seventy, which the chief of tens now comes into play as the Book of Enoch is describing this hierarchy. Understand the word, Greek word hierarchy means a sacred assembly of archons. Wow. Right? So, when the Gnostics are talking about the externalization of the hierarchy, as Alice Bailey talks about starting in 2025 of their end time, guess what they're talking about? Making this invisible hierarchy council of archons visible with the visible ones. So, this game of thrones is exactly that that they're talking about. But we see it played out through their divine spurious offspring of the royales. And understand that royal means kings of God. Roy as in the old French word, roi, and rooted back into reg and regalis in Latin for regal and things associated with royale. And back to Indo-European, which is the language of the giants, Indo-Aryan, R-E-G for ruler. So we have an etymology that goes back to kings of God, just as the Latin term is rex deus, kings of God that they also like to use. They're the offspring of these gods. And they keep their genealogies back to these gods. So when we're looking at how history has played out, this is a game of thrones. And the best way to understand that is World War I. You have the Romanovs, you have Kaiser Wilhelm's family, you have the Hapsburgs, you have the Savoy out of Italy, you have the Bourbons out of Spain, you have the Windsors, which are Hanover's, out of England. You have the Anjou, not in power, but in the background in France. This is first cousins having a family dispute. They're rivals. And it happened before the flood in similar ways.

Speaker 4:
[91:22] So talk about the conquest of the Holy Land, right? So we have these, I think a lot of Christians will think about giants in the Old Testament post-flood and they'll say, oh, David and Goliath, one off, right? But this is God commanding Israel to completely destroy cities and people groups that are hybrids and or giant tribes. But they don't destroy all of them.

Speaker 2:
[91:46] No, they don't.

Speaker 4:
[91:47] And so that's what, because I want to get to like, okay, so one of the things that we talk about a lot of the show is, to the chagrin of God, they don't, they don't kill everyone. We also have this diaspora, it seems like, of giants because then we have, you know, every civilization or in their mythos has giants, whether it be the Aztecs, Mayans, you have a ton of stuff here in the United States where you've got mound builders, you've got the giants of Lovelock Cave, you have yellow hair and the battling of the Native Americans. So you have this giants that exist after this conquest where God's trying to wipe them out. What in your mind happens here? Because of course, we talked about before, stumbling block for a lot of people, right, is like, why would God kill these people? People groups, but we've already kind of established people groups, these are tribes of giants or tribes of hybrids that are part of a confederacy, if you will, right?

Speaker 2:
[92:38] So our simple understanding, until you dig deeper, is that once Israel pushed most of the giants out, they migrated around the world. It's more complicated than that. That is part of it. That would be like another wave.

Speaker 4:
[92:55] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[92:57] So, we talked about earlier that the Canaanites moved in to live amongst giants who were the Aboriginals there. And all of these names, when you take back to their original meanings and their descriptions, they are also Aboriginals of the land, the first settlers there after the flood.

Speaker 4:
[93:17] So, giants moved back in after the flood recedes.

Speaker 2:
[93:20] They are there before Babel disperses 100 years later, because Canaan is going to go live amongst them. But, now that opens up a whole bunch of other doors. So, somehow, if giants survive the flood, they could be there instantaneously after the flood, another reason to keep a crack open for that. So, it could be both, right? Or, there is a creation shortly after the flood, but before Babel dispersion, which I alluded to after the curse of Ham, when he grows up, after he is born. And then, he decides early on that he is going to supply some of his daughters to fallen angels, to the Baalim Council, to create the Rafahim Giants. And who knows, maybe Canaan took a female goddess and also created some giants. We don't know. But that would be an explanation of how these giants are there and he knows who they are, and he's welcoming into them. He's been an intricate part of it. But at the time of Babel, which is 100 years after the flood, you have all of these other people from the Table of Nations and their families and the new languages that they have, they're going to go move to regions, whether it's into the Greek Islands or into Asia Minor or into Mesopotamia and other places and continue to migrate over time around the world. They are moving in amongst Aboriginals as well. So it starts to help you to understand is who are the Scythians understood as Indo-Europeans, Indo-Aryans, that the descendants of Jepheth are moving in to live amongst. These are the Giants who are living there before. And what we get is we get the Indo-European language now blending into those other languages, which is why so many of our words go back to Indo-European. That's what I used for Reg, as in Meg, for a Giant. That shows up in Megas and Megastranes for the Great Ones in the Book of Revelation in the end time, right? But I digress. But just to give a couple of examples, or CERN, or Kern, it means a two-horned god in Indo-European. So, these words infiltrate, but they are the proto-Greeks. They are the proto-Latins. They are the proto-everybody moving in. So, the Etruscans are the proto-Jephetites, right, that are going to intermarry. So, they're intermarrying amongst these giants. And in Mesopotamia, you have Nimrod, who is making your reputation on giants in the Septuagint, which we don't get for detail in the Bible. I want to be careful with that. But he's fighting giants, so now we know why they're huddled together. But he stays there after the flood, and he is a patriarch in occult genealogies to so many royal bloodlines. Who is he intermarrying with? He's intermarrying with a group that we know biblically as Elam. But there's, according to historians and archaeologists and everybody associated with the history, they're saying, well, there's two groups of Elam that the descendants of Abraham are intermarrying with. Elam is Olam with its equivalent word in Hebrew. Olam means the ancient ones. These are part of the Kadmonim, the ancients of the east. And these are giants that Elam are intermarrying with. And guess who Nimrod is going to intermarry with? He created the Zeruk Dynasty and the Elamite Dynasty of King Lugalbanda. This is the Olamim, as we start to knit those pieces together. So we get lots of evidence that, at least in this shorter area, they moved amongst giants. How the migrations take place after that, before the flood, hard to know, but we seem to get nations all over the world based on archaeology and history and religions, talking about pre-flood civilizations that could be four civilizations, could be seven, could be nine, could be 11, depending on which one that you're talking about, but seven seems to be the most constant term.

Speaker 4:
[97:59] It seems at some point, though, humans haunted them completely, right? We have the one famous thing, I think, going on all the time, is that Aztec effigy, where they're just killing a giant and dragging them out. So, at some point, humans decided that this was, they were going to rid themselves of this pestilence. And I kind of want to know, when do you think that happened? Because it seemed like they're joining forces, joining forces, you get hybrids, so there's maybe a sense of breeding out of the genetics, but also at some point, it looks like humanity, not just Joshua and the judgment of God on these, but also humanity itself turns on.

Speaker 2:
[98:35] Yeah. So, it's this pivotal I am to Ike sort of understanding, the pivotal move from the purebred, and they have to intermarry because they have an issue because they can't produce enough females, as we talked about, to survive. But yet, they still want to keep their bloodlines as pure as possible. So, while you're still creating giants and then slightly diluted giants, plus this other complete race of hybrids, and you start to get a dwindling of the actual pureblood giants, right? And so, where the giants are going to survive is amongst the royal bloodlines to rule. They're going to become like humans, and as they have to intermarry more with humans, and if you don't, you get blood diseases. You get hemophiliac disease. You get probably the classic one, Habsburg jaw disease, right? So that if you... And what's that? Well, it's this disjointed, disfigured face. Yeah. And you can Google that. It'll show you a picture.

Speaker 7:
[99:49] That's all the skulls that they find.

Speaker 2:
[99:50] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[99:51] And you've seen it look like they've got weird-looking jaw lines.

Speaker 2:
[99:55] So they said in a law that they want to not marry within four generations to keep these diseases out.

Speaker 7:
[100:01] The double rows of teeth and other weird things and six fingers.

Speaker 2:
[100:05] That could be a different species of giants, different race of giants. So we get in Josephus and in the Bible, we get six digits, but we don't get double rows of teeth. But what we do get is double rows of teeth in excavations that sometimes produce six digits, right? So you get a linking there, but we know they existed, but they're a different kind of giant somehow, some way.

Speaker 7:
[100:34] So humans breed, I mean, it's basic, humans, we find someone, we get along with a person. They're breeding to maintain knowledge, to mean because-

Speaker 4:
[100:44] Or a bloodline.

Speaker 7:
[100:45] A bloodline, but the bloodline is directly connected to a God, a-

Speaker 4:
[100:50] Most divine right rule, right?

Speaker 7:
[100:52] Yeah, which is knowledge, which is power, which, you know?

Speaker 2:
[100:55] Well, and the anti-deluvian knowledge that they have and are trying to recollect, they're a knowledge cult. It's the wheel worship of the Giants, the 8th Sabbath. This has been what's created both before and then again after the flood with Zoroastrianism, as we have come to know it, and it was designed to house that ancient knowledge. But trouble is, is we see this constant war and rivalry going on, and there's knowledge being destroyed consistently, and they don't have all of that knowledge.

Speaker 4:
[101:27] So it fragments.

Speaker 2:
[101:28] It's in fragments now. They're trying to continue to reassemble it, but they're saying they're going to have this great discovery as well in the end time. And where that knowledge was originally hidden was underneath the Great Pyramid before the flood, that Hermes found that he took to Nimrod to build this.

Speaker 4:
[101:47] Which now they saw these scans of these supposedly, or allegedly there's huge structures underneath the pyramids.

Speaker 2:
[101:54] So, who knows what we'll find there?

Speaker 4:
[101:55] Gary, I want to ask you, so we know, biblically speaking, if we take the Bible as our source of truth and knowledge of theirs, Giants before, Giants after, why do you think that, or why do you think after this sort of next wave of Giants, we maybe don't see this happen again, or is it happening again? Do you know what I mean? Like, the Giants kind of disappear, although we have the Smithsonian and all the things, and the skeletons and what not, but, and there are reports of modern-day Giants, right? You've got things like in Afghanistan and whatnot, but for the by and large, we don't have-

Speaker 2:
[102:26] By and large, we don't see Giants.

Speaker 4:
[102:27] Another incursion, right? What do you think is happening with that?

Speaker 2:
[102:31] So I think there's an MO that is going on as God is allowing things to play out through free choice, both of angels and humans, but after lines are crossed, there's restrictions that are put on. So whatever happens, if the war of angels that took place that destroyed the world by fire, the first go-around between Genesis 1, 1 and 2, there was some restrictions that were put on, whatever it was. And then you have what was happening with the people of Day 6 being led astray. And then you have Adam being betrayed, and then you have the creation of Giants, and these Giants are bigger, probably 20 to 40 feet tall, and you sort of assemble most of the information versus the 4 to 600 feet tall that people will use, whatever an L is, which is transliterated as a cubit, as 300 cubits in the Book of Giants. We don't know what an L was, so it's hard to know. But when you look at reliefs and things like that, 20 to 40 feet would be it. And that fits well with, even with Gilgamesh being the largest giant, as what Orontes was. They are both 11 cubits tall, and they are both kings. Orontes is, or, who Orontes River is named after in Asia Minor. Gilgamesh is recorded in their text as being 11 cubits tall and king of a rook. So that makes them 19 feet tall as king of a rook. And he was 4 cubits wide, 7 cubits wide. So he was very wide.

Speaker 4:
[104:12] He's a big fella.

Speaker 2:
[104:13] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[104:13] It's like an offensive lineman.

Speaker 2:
[104:14] Those are the two tallest giants. The average giant that's recorded in the second incursion of giants. And again, second incursion is recorded as we talked about with the creation of Gilgamesh after the flood, 6th generation. And also in the Greek with, not in Homer, in Herod's accounts. Did I get that name right? Probably not.

Speaker 4:
[104:35] Herod.

Speaker 2:
[104:36] Starts with H anyways. Herod's the king of...

Speaker 4:
[104:40] The public king of the Jews.

Speaker 2:
[104:41] Yeah. And he was another famous Greek writer and...

Speaker 4:
[104:43] Herodotus?

Speaker 2:
[104:45] Not Herodotus. That was a historian. It might come back to me, but it's in the Greek. I have it in book two, but the name is eluding me. But he talked about the original creation of the giants that were destroyed in the great wars before the flood. And then the second accursion of giants afterwards. And so that would fall to Zeus creating Hercules after the flood, right? With Elkmene being the female there. So, Esiad, that's what I'm looking for. Very close. And so when we look at that sort of understanding of giants being created both before and after the flood, we have a better understanding of who both the parent gods are, the offspring gods, and how to sort out history. And we can start to now assemble that history a little bit better, and after that sort of historical chronology. It gives us the defining pieces that we need to sort of dig deeper.

Speaker 4:
[105:46] You think God basically could have kibosh on anything else happening at that point? Or is it underground?

Speaker 2:
[105:51] And we see that reflected with the gifts of these giants who could produce in great numbers and were bigger. Probably had larger gifts. And then after the flood, we get giants that aren't as big. So, the average size of the giants in the Greek accounts, I think that's where I was before I went sideways down another rabbit hole, about 12 feet like Achilles, another giant, which is about the same size, it rains at Og would probably be.

Speaker 4:
[106:17] Yeah, because I'll get a 13 foot bed.

Speaker 7:
[106:18] And those seem to be the size of the giants that are here in America. They dug up and all the accounts here in ancient America.

Speaker 2:
[106:24] Yeah. So, King Og.

Speaker 7:
[106:25] They're about that size.

Speaker 2:
[106:27] He had a bed that was four cubits wide, made of iron and nine cubits long. Now, he's king of Edurai and Asteroth. So, he's going to be measured on a royal cubit, as Josephus says in the Measure of the Giants. And he has to fit into that bed. So, a royal cubit would take that to be about 16 feet long. So, he's going to be shorter than that, and he's got to be less than seven feet wide. So, he's probably going to be four, five, six feet wide. And he's going to be somewhere between 12 and 15 feet long. So, he's going to be in that range. And that's why we see giants described as stout, not as in fat, but in muscular, just as Goliath was stout. He would have been that wide as well, at 11 feet, three inches. But again, that's over 400 years after Og. So, you start to maybe see some of that intermarriage and dilution starting to sort of happen there. And so, I think you see less size and less gifts after the flood. And then, something again happens, because the Royals believe they had things like healing capability that were originally with the Raphaim. And in the Ugaritic texts that we talked about, they're defined as healers. And that's because in Hebrew, the root word for Rapha giant, 7497, is 7495, Rapha, same spelling for healer. But it carries that meaning forward into the giant. And 7496 is the word for demon spirit, or spirit of the dead, the disembodied spirits, the demons of the giants after their bodies died. So that partial meaning goes forward as well. And these were called healers in Ugaritic text, but understood as the royals, understood as the giants, and they could heal themselves.

Speaker 7:
[108:26] Like Wolverine?

Speaker 2:
[108:28] Yeah, and heal others.

Speaker 4:
[108:29] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[108:30] So that was my next question. What are distinctual character traits between the giant tribes that you uncovered in your book? Like, we could think of like canines and how we breed dogs and, you know, they're different types and personalities.

Speaker 4:
[108:42] Like the Pinnacles, French Bulldogs, but yeah.

Speaker 2:
[108:44] So yeah, let's sort of begin first with what looked like humans, so we have a better understanding.

Speaker 7:
[108:50] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[108:51] So, most of the watchers, both before and after the flood, are serpentine watchers. They're called Euryas gods in the Middle East. And if you Google Euryas, U-R-E-A-U-S, you're gonna see this flying serpent. So this would be a god like Osiris after the flood, or Baal.

Speaker 4:
[109:12] Are they Seraphim?

Speaker 2:
[109:13] Yeah, these are Seraphim dragon watchers, serpent-faced, six-winged watchers. But there are some other ones in there as well, more reptilian. And you also have like gods like in the Egyptian pantheon, like Anubis, which are jackal or dog-like. So you have different kinds, but we're not told what all the angels look like. We know what a seraphim looks like. We know what an archangel looks like, which from the descriptions we get of Michael and Gabriel in the Bible. And we know what a trubim looks like. It has four faces. One is the face of a human, typically depicted as an Anunnaki, watcher with dark black hair and a black beard. And typically, they have the wings as they are shown on these reliefs and they are stocky. And they are shown doing this ritual around this sort of electronic tree of life or some sort of technology.

Speaker 4:
[110:21] Or they have a purse.

Speaker 2:
[110:22] A purse, some sort of pine cone or crystal or something in their hands. But they are doing something with some sort of technology. They have a bird's face, just as the Anunnaki have the same reliefs, doing the same ritual only with this eagle face. You have one that has a bull's head or an ox's head. Bull is the better translation. It matches up with the bull imagery. And the other one is a lion. Now, when they took a physical presence on the earth, they would take one of those faces. So, we see these watcher gods presented, and they are part of the watchers around the throne of God. And each of Satan and the seven Satans in the Lord God's ruling over nations all have thrones. And the visible ones, the direct descendants ruling for them as visible ones, all have thrones. Understand how that imagery completely flows through. You have these four-faced trubim that are going to take a physical body and be depicted with one face. So, let's look at a sphinx. That's going to be depicted with a human's head, or a lion's head. You move over to the Middle East, these caribs. CH is sometimes pronounced K as it transliterates through, and even in the Hebrew, it does, but we pronounce it as cherub. Cherub would probably be the better original pronunciation to cherub. These caribs have a bull's head, and some of them have a bird's head that we would understand as a gargoyle as they show up on Gothic churches. These are bird heads, right? So, if they produced...

Speaker 7:
[112:13] These are just the gods.

Speaker 2:
[112:15] These are just the watchers I'm talking about.

Speaker 7:
[112:17] The watchers, sons of God, but the watcher title.

Speaker 2:
[112:22] There's four watchers. Okay. Four groups of watchers, archangel, cherub, seraphim and ophanim.

Speaker 7:
[112:29] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[112:30] And ophanim are mentioned in the Book of Enoch. They're not mentioned technically, biblically, but they are. Bad translation. So, in Ezekiel 1, 3 and 10 you have the visions of the chariot of God. And the cherubs are pulling them. And we get the descriptions where I'm pulling the descriptions of the cherubs from. Then they have these wheels and concentric wheels and cherub-like beings that are in the wheel. Those concentric wheels that are being talked about, that's the Hebrew word Gilgal, as in Gilgal, Rafaim.

Speaker 4:
[113:07] The Wheel of the Giants.

Speaker 2:
[113:08] The Wheel of the Giants at Mount Hermon, at the foot of Mount Hermon in Bishan. But the beings are also referred to as a wheel, but it's a different word. It's ofan. Put the I am majestic plural on it, ofanim. These are what we would understand as thrones. These are throne angels, that God sits on the chariot, right? So they're a watcher as well. We think most watchers rebelled, maybe not archangels, because they seem to have a special place down after the rebellion and perhaps even leading the four sides of the throne as the four presences and the four winds of prophecy and the four archangels of the trumpets, they seem maybe not to have. So let's just now look at these four cherubs. The Ophanim have three faces of a cherub and then one is a face of a cherub, so we don't know which one that would be. Is it all four faces or is it the one that's missing? But it's the cherubs, not the Ophanim that we get depictions of. So, but I think some Ophanim to represent the power of the throne would have rebelled as well. But I can't find anything to say that Ophanim reproduced.

Speaker 7:
[114:22] So at least four different types.

Speaker 2:
[114:24] Well, there's, I don't think archangels reproduce. Perhaps two. But within that, you have four faces of the Ophanim, right? And before I now get into that, I just want to say, we know angels can look like humans, that's the smallest, as the messenger, ambassador, soldier, angel, probably part of the different hierarchies that come down from the Watchers. But we don't get descriptions of other angels that are alluded to in the New Testament. We don't find out what an excousia angel is. You take, you know, powers, for example, back to the Greek, or dunamis, for mighty and powers, is translated inconsistently. They mix them up, but they're different words for different angels. Or Icarus, or Carthage, or all the different ones that are mentioned in the New Testament. I cover them all off for people in book, too, if you get it. But we don't get descriptions of what they look like. So, we're kind of blind on that. But now understanding that, let's go back to the cherub.

Speaker 4:
[115:32] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[115:33] So, in the Bible, we get the lion-men of Moab.

Speaker 4:
[115:36] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[115:36] The god-like men.

Speaker 4:
[115:37] The lion-faced men.

Speaker 2:
[115:38] And one of the kings coming out of Mesopotamia is Ariok, meaning lion-like. And Ari is the root word for Arian, that's been moved into the Hebrew language. And Arial means, can also mean a lion. And Arial means lion of God. All different variations. And those are the words that are being used to describe these gadites and Moabites. Well, that's rather interesting because they're also associated with the wilderness men as gibberim in the Hebrew. Which is the term described for giants in Genesis 6-4.

Speaker 4:
[116:13] And also around Nimrod, right?

Speaker 2:
[116:14] And also around Nimrod became a gibberim.

Speaker 4:
[116:16] Yes, right, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[116:17] Okay, so now we have some sort of connection, and these are warriors. Great warriors because as we get the accounts, people are getting a reputation for killing these lion men, that are powerful warriors. And we have a giant tribe that I mentioned earlier called the Avim. And they're in different pockets, and in Book 2 I'll tell you where they are, but mostly in the Gaza region. But there's also a pocket in Mesopotamia, and they're worshiping a god in the Book of Kings, and this god is named Nergal. And they used to worship him with an image of him, and he's a lion's head and a human's body. Nergal is the war god of Mesopotamia and depicted as a lion. So as a member of the Pantheon, he reproduced, and we know 200 angels did, we just don't know of which variety. Then if Seraphim reproduced as they did, they would have produced serpentine individuals. Reptilians. Reptilians. And all of the kings before the flood and after the flood were called serpents and dragons, house of dragon, right? And images were made of them in serpentine looks. They were considered serpents and giants as rulers because of their angelic genealogy. And shortly again after the flood, they're depicted that way. So now if we say pass that on, that they were able to produce DNA when they took a physical body to pass that on, then now you can figure out how these linemen show up. There is an interesting god that the Avim also worship there called Nebaz. Nebaz as it's defined, and it's only used once in the whole Bible. And if you don't know what you're looking for, you go...

Speaker 4:
[118:18] Right on past it.

Speaker 2:
[118:18] Right past it, just as you go right on beyond Nergal. Giant tribes were worshipping Trubim angels or other types of angels. Nebaz is defined as a barking god.

Speaker 7:
[118:30] Barking.

Speaker 2:
[118:31] Yes, and they worshipped him with a dog's face or a jackal's face and a human body. So now we wonder about dog face...

Speaker 7:
[118:40] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[118:42] Or jackal face... Angels that we don't get a description for, but we do get in the Old Testament howling gods. Now, what's a howling god? That's a jackal. What is Anubis? That's a jackal.

Speaker 7:
[118:56] Is that a werewolf or is that a different thing?

Speaker 2:
[118:59] Related, but different creation as it comes about through mythology. But we'll come to that. They're kind of related, but there's something special that goes on there with Zeus. Everything's a rabbit hole that you go down to.

Speaker 7:
[119:14] We're going to have to make a poster.

Speaker 4:
[119:16] We're going to have to put our minds together and we need a kingdom and phylum, taxonomy.

Speaker 2:
[119:21] So Anubis creates giants in great numbers in Egyptian history. So much so, he has to create a city. The Greeks record this and they call it Sinopolis. Sinopolis, sino meaning dog in Greek and opolis or polis meaning city. This is dog city. There's so many of them. Just as you get with the dog mythos, so many of them located in North Africa. You get them elsewhere, in India, China, Southeast Asia and probably throughout the Middle East as we understand that. And Sinopolis is the term that's used for the dog mythos.

Speaker 1:
[119:59] These were known as mercenary dogs. If we get a mercenary in the time of Exodus that is going to help Joshua and the Israelites, he's going to be one of the scouts that we talked about. His name is Caleb, that means dog. And he's a Canazite, which we're not sure where his genealogy goes back to. And the Canaanites, the Triple K, none of them have a patriarch, as they're announced in Genesis 15, back to the Table of Nations, which is before Genesis 6, where people say, well, Kenaz, and that's where you take the Kenites and the Canazites from. But again, it's the same issue as the Amalekites. It's several generations later. And these are part of the Mighty Ten. And as you take them back to the Ugaritic text, we actually get patriarchs for them. And we actually get the same meanings for the same words. And these are the giant ones of the East. So KDM would be the Kadmonim in the original Ugaritic text. And it starts with a Q in Hebrew, but that's the K sound, right? And so again, we get this relationship there that we can start tracing these individuals back. So bringing this sort of back. So now we have these different giants that we have linemen, we have dogmen, we have serpentine type reptilian giants. And we also have a bird face that we've talked about. And so in China and Southeast Asia, Tengu is a term for watchers. They had dog watchers, dog face watchers. As they classified them, they had bird face watchers. They had dragon, the dragon created watchers.

Speaker 2:
[121:59] You see those bird face.

Speaker 3:
[122:00] And you think this was all like this actually happened? This wasn't just allegory. The people say it's allegory. It's iconography. It's just, it's representing attributes. Lion, the guys were fierce warriors, like a lion, et cetera. But you think this is actually physical?

Speaker 1:
[122:15] Yeah, it's all actually physical. And we get the superheroes based on them.

Speaker 3:
[122:19] Yeah, we do the Marvel.

Speaker 1:
[122:19] Yeah, we do the Marvel. Just look at Superman. I mean, without adding different faces on it, I'll come back to Batman and the Bird One, if you want, in a minute.

Speaker 2:
[122:29] Well, here's a question.

Speaker 1:
[122:30] But look at, just let me, look at El first. El was the pantheon of the Canaanites. It's the parent god. Baal is the offspring and rules after the flood. You're gonna like this because we're gonna tie in Nimrod now. So Nimrod was, became a gibberim, a gibbur. So Nimrod, Kal-al, gibbur. Okay, remember that name, Kal-al means became, something to do with ritual, a change, sexual, something going on with Nimrod. Because we know his father, but somehow he becomes giant, like Kal-al. So Superman, Clark Kent, his name isn't Clark Kent, that's his persona. His name is Kal-al, his father is Jor-al, from the house of El. This is, El is a Uraeus god, this is the house of Dragon.

Speaker 3:
[123:22] Yeah, I know he's an alien, right? You know, an alien in the...

Speaker 1:
[123:24] Yeah, so now you go into Batman, and you get these bird-face Tengu watchers that I talked about in Southeast Asia, and they produced offspring that look just like them. You can Google Tengu, T-N-G-U, you get Japanese figures with their priests and warriors. It's the ones who taught the martial arts after the flood.

Speaker 3:
[123:46] The original Kung Fu masters.

Speaker 1:
[123:48] Yes. But in the Popol Vuh, because you're talking also about Central America, they mentioned the Zibalba, which were owl-faced demigods. And there was one that was part of the Zibalba, and they were kamazots. C-A-M-Z-O-T-Z. You Googled kamazots.

Speaker 2:
[124:10] The Tengu look like weird clowns with big noses.

Speaker 1:
[124:14] Yeah, bird faces, yeah. And that's also part of the mask that the shamans and stuff were, right? To imitate that and the pale faces.

Speaker 2:
[124:22] I guess that is a bird.

Speaker 1:
[124:23] Kamazots, if you Google that, you're going to bring up Batman's outfit.

Speaker 3:
[124:28] Really? So, this is all just like... Nothing's new under the sun.

Speaker 1:
[124:32] Yeah, and Robin's his counterpart. These are...

Speaker 3:
[124:35] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[124:36] So, here's a question for you. So, I mean, obviously, I mean, I remember when we did our first interview with Travis from Giants of Ancient America, he said, like, the... I think it was the Zamzoomans had... They were terrible to the ears.

Speaker 1:
[124:46] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[124:47] And so, they could, like, yell very... And they probably, like, had a... What's the difference between... They sinned against beasts as well. So, how do, like, chimerical creatures versus giants, are they kind of all together?

Speaker 1:
[125:02] Yeah, when you're talking about sins against the beast, now you're talking about Enochian literature.

Speaker 2:
[125:09] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[125:09] Right? And I'm not going to dispute the Enochian literature, but distinct from the Bible is basically all I'm talking about.

Speaker 2:
[125:19] Well, we have these historical accounts and people have e-mailed us saying these things, you know.

Speaker 3:
[125:23] Almost as all flesh was corrupted, too, I mean, biblically speaking.

Speaker 2:
[125:26] Yeah, creatures like Bigfoot and Dog Man, and it seems like they're more on the beast side.

Speaker 1:
[125:31] Yeah, so...

Speaker 2:
[125:32] I don't know what to do with that.

Speaker 1:
[125:33] So, let's get it back biblically and link it back, okay?

Speaker 3:
[125:38] That's a good place to start, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[125:39] So, before the Flood, and you have the creation of the Giants in the preamble to the Flood story, causing the violence and the corruption. That Hebrew word corrupt is the Hebrew word for corrupt, and the whole earth and all flesh was corrupted. That's the Hebrew word chakath, and it means to decay, to pervert, to ruin, to destroy. All flesh, everything on the earth was degraded, changed, manipulated, destroyed somehow. Not just through sexual reproduction of various kinds of spurious offspring, but something more, because all the plant genomes would be corrupted as well. And all the DNA of all the animals would be corrupted, all flesh, not just humans. Which starts to answer the question as to why God selects the eight, because he knows which ones are pure of genealogy, and pure of spirit. And he would select all of the animals by kind, species, that were uncorrupted by this manipulation to go on the ark to restart after the flood. Everything starts to make sense on why he calls those. And just represented those species to repopulate, more of the clean than the unclean. So now we have corruption and violence that these giants do before the flood. So this is now inferring knowledge, right? And we have knowledge of inference that somehow giants and the angels are working together and likely both are going to corrupt all the flesh and all the plant genomes. And if you have DNA technology, what else technology do you have? They were building structures we can't build today. With the science and technology that it takes to do it. With the sacred geometry that's embedded in those. With the astrological alignments that they're pointing to. With the ratios to the earth and who knows what else they put in, let alone the size and the masonry and everything else. And they equate that to that knowledge that they learned from the gods and from Enoch through masonry or the fifth science of geometry to build this. And just as the Freemasons account, the knowledge to build the pyramids came from Enochian knowledge. So again, they're celebrating this. They're not, but they're not making it public knowledge, so to speak. So this knowledge, if it has the ability to do DNA manipulation, and we're just catching up to this knowledge. Now, when we look at Camaras, which is the same language, and remember what we said earlier, they name everything after their history and their gods and their technology and their knowledge. They're doing DNA manipulation today using Camara, and we have all sorts of Camara beings being created that are somehow distinct in prehistory. And the best example would be King Hababa of the Cedar Forest, who is a classic Camara, which has multiple animal parts and was called a terrible one, was created from the gods. There's something else that's going in there that is some sort of DNA additionals, enhancements or retractions. So they had that ability to do that. And another accounting that is inexplicable to understand or connect without the understanding of this knowledge is the creation of the centaurs that was said to educate the giants both before and after the flood. And this is done by Hera in a cloud off the earth.

Speaker 2:
[129:35] Wait, they were educating the giants?

Speaker 1:
[129:37] The centaurs were, yes. They are wise ones as they are.

Speaker 3:
[129:41] What about the Minotaurs? I have been to his palace in Crete. The Minotaur, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[129:46] Well, the Minotaur is a bull, right? So it should be likely an offspring. There is not that many of them. We do have the Balim associated with the Minotaur. And you also have the Quintetaur, which is the same type of being associated with the Merovingian bloodline that they take their genealogies back to.

Speaker 3:
[130:06] So you think they were making all these hybrid creatures as well as Giants?

Speaker 1:
[130:11] Well, yeah. Yes.

Speaker 2:
[130:13] It seems like the base of the angelic offspring are more human. And then you have these other things that are more animal. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[130:21] And now you look at transhumanism and things that they are adding. Well, one would think with the technology they had, they would have the ability to create that type of technology as well. And then you look at what superheroes look like. You get all of these different types of angelic type of beings, what they would look like with superpowers. And you also have a merging of technology and some sort of DNA manipulation comes into things like Spider-Man, like with insects and things like that. So we don't know to the level of perversion that they took it to. But the more we advance, we get a better sort of understanding of that kind of technology.

Speaker 2:
[131:08] It would make sense why the polytheists would sort of worship these beings because they're part of their actual history. And how many different types of chimerical creatures is there evidence for?

Speaker 1:
[131:21] Well, there's a lot in various...

Speaker 2:
[131:23] I mean, Pan is a goat man, right?

Speaker 1:
[131:25] Well, Pan is a little different.

Speaker 2:
[131:27] Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1:
[131:28] Pan is a... Satyr. Yeah, Satyr. And actually, Seer goes back to Satyr. It's a derivative of Satyr or Satyr. And Pan is a two-horn god, right? He's a CERN god. Yeah. As you take that back to the language of the Giants. CERN was the horn god of the Etruscan pantheon, the Proto-Latins, Indo-Aryans giants, Cernunnos of the Celtic pantheon. Odin is a horn god. The horn god, like Pan, like Innis, like Bacchus, and there's names, there's many of them. But I just wanted to throw out a few that people might recognize. They are out of the regular sort of hierarchy of the standard hierarchy of seven. So you have Zeus, but you also have Pan.

Speaker 3:
[132:26] I should be sort of lower level, right? They are not on the top, but they are sort of somewhere in the mix.

Speaker 1:
[132:32] Yeah, they are almost worshiped as something unique and different, and may be part of their history. And they also have some sort of ability to reproduce, because they have this sort of sexual nature. Or is it part of the mythos, or is it both? But it seems to be both. And so they may have produced offspring after the flood as well. Yeah. So, we have an interesting leader of the watchers that is known as Azazel. And when you take the understanding of Azazel out of the Book of Enoch, he should be Seraphim. But he is not depicted as Seraphim. But he is also from before the flood and not after the flood. And so, he has morphed into a goat god. Well, that is rather interesting. That is a satyr god. And if people are saying, where does that show up in the Bible? Look at Isaiah 13 and Isaiah 34. You are going to get these goat gods, these satyrs, satyrs. And we also have two instances in the Old Testament where it is translated as a devil god that they are worshipping versus a shed, which is a demon spirit that is a devil. So there are four occurrences of worshipping. Devils two are for demons, two are for satyr gods. But they are distinct still. They are still separate. They have different Hebrew words. So when we look at Azazel as the one who presented all of the knowledge, including all the arts and crafts and knowledge of war and all the technology that would go with it, that could destroy the earth by fire, which is why God I think permits the flood. And for the knowledge that we talked about, the Gnostics and the Secret Societies say the knowledge of the location was put on two different pillars, one that could survive fire, one that could survive a flood, which indicates they didn't know which catastrophe was coming. So God permitted the flood, but they were prepared for both to save that knowledge that would move on to the other side. Azazel as a goat god, but we should think of him originally as a seraphim watcher, I think. And we don't have satyrs as watchers. But he could be degraded to satyr status, just as Satan was degraded from all of his aspects of a high priest, seraphim, morning star, cherubim, and who knows what else was degraded to Satan status and also associated with a goat. So, there's a degradation aspect here for certain watchers. So is Azazel a degraded seraphim in a satyr form? Azazel doesn't show up in most translations in the Bible. Well, they do in a lot of translations, but in the King James Version Bible, we don't get Azazel that shows up in the English. You get scapegoat. There's a second goat that is sacrificed on the Day of Atonement that we're not given explanation for. The first one are the sins of Israel. This seems to be the sins of the world caused by fallen angels that may be, and that word is Azazel, right? There's no getting around it, and Azazel is the leader of the Watchers, and he's depicted as a goat god, but he was seraphim. So that's rather interesting as we look at those kinds of connections. And so, I look at seraphims as being degraded satyrs. Now, in Book 2, I'm going to go to Cherubim and connect them to different aspects of the Anunnaki, which are the ones we talked about with the human's head and the eagle's head and scorpion beings, and link those ones back to degraded scorpion beings that come out of the pit prison.

Speaker 2:
[136:35] Geez, you have like, okay, so you have like Justice League, which is like the demigod superheroes, and then you have Mutant League, which is like all the weird offsprings of sins. I want to ask you about, well, I was going to say, is there any, oh, let's just keep going down the line, is there any sins against biological plants and other things? Like, do we see anything else that's just so out of the realm of what would that be?

Speaker 1:
[137:01] Yeah, I would think so, because again, all the plant genomes, so it's interesting in some of the antediluvian lore, you get beings in trees, as talking beings, especially like in Lord of the Rings, right? There you go, yeah. You get like insectusoids and Spider-Man coming, being reflected down, and other insects in superhero stories. So scorpions are associated, and scorpion gods, and so again, there's an association there. We should not, without getting reckless, we should not limit the capability of angelic technology to prefer all aspects of creation.

Speaker 2:
[137:44] Yeah, it just seems like it was a free-for-all and a full, just abomination.

Speaker 1:
[137:50] Yeah, the whole earth was corrupt. I mean, you can't get more encompassing than that.

Speaker 3:
[137:55] Gary, we started down this crazy path, talking about giants. But I want to ask you, before I forgot, what are your thoughts on the suppression of giant skeletons and stuff? Because you referred to this earlier, saying that the bones of the giants were on display, so that Israel will remember. And then we know that we've gone down this path a bunch on the show, talking about the Smithsonian or more modern times, people discovering giant bones here in the United States. But people will always come back and be like, well, if this is the case and this is real, where are the remains, where are the bones, right? And so, what's your answer when people say, well, this is all fine and great, Gary, but where are the bones and where is the evidence?

Speaker 1:
[138:36] Yeah, well, we'll start on sort of older evidence and get to what we would have had for modern evidence and likely is still around, not on display, but still around. So, and we have reliefs. I mean, that's what stands the test of time more than anything that depict these larger beings. There's three different sizes of giants. So the gods were bigger than the giants that they created, and then the humans were smaller. And then you even have different sizes of humans. So probably as the Shazoo would be depicted. So we have accountings that come down through history through historians, right? Josephus for sure. Yeah, Josephus. And I give accounts from other historians in Book II, and in Book I and Chapter IV. I have all sorts of ones in the Roman times as well. And these are in the same sort of size ranges as in the Goliath and Achilles. So we have all of those, but people sweep those aside. Josephus describes these bones as on display. I mean, it's like, and they said they did not look anything like humans. And so they had to have a different bone structure to support the weight and the size.

Speaker 3:
[139:58] Plus, to be athletic, right? The argument now is that we've got seven foot, there's a kid in the NCAA tournament, seven foot nine from France, but those guys don't move well. They're lumbering, they're slow.

Speaker 1:
[140:10] These ones were dexterous.

Speaker 3:
[140:12] 100%. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[140:13] And ambidextrous and fleet of foot. They're the perfect warriors.

Speaker 2:
[140:16] Well, that's a big argument. You always hear that. Well, they couldn't, giants can't exist because of, you know, physics.

Speaker 3:
[140:21] Things can only grow so big.

Speaker 2:
[140:22] Yeah. I think that's the thing.

Speaker 1:
[140:25] The record of the bones shows otherwise. So as we start moving forward, you know, with this sort of downstream, we have one sort of image I would have people look at before I get into the newspaper accountings. You have King Akhenaten of the Armada dynasty. I, you know, encourage people to Google that and the serpentine look.

Speaker 3:
[140:53] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[140:53] Again, we have different types of giants. You have dark haired giants that probably come from the Trubum Watchers. And then you have the red haired and blonde haired ones that come from, that come from the Seraphim in the lineage.

Speaker 3:
[141:06] The chance giants, yes.

Speaker 1:
[141:07] So, but with King Akhenaten, if you look at that face, and this is a thousand years after the flood, he's got this long protruding chin, these thin lips, these high, very high cheekbones, which is the standard for fair folk and good looking people even to this day, including the hair colors and the eyes. And these large, huge eyes that were wrapped around that would glow as shining beings. And then this huge elongated conehead skull that you can increase the volume of by binding. And you can't remove the sutures of it as they show up in these.

Speaker 3:
[141:46] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[141:46] So they are sutureless.

Speaker 3:
[141:47] Headbinding does not add 30% more mass. It just doesn't.

Speaker 1:
[141:50] So you can see him wearing these big hats and you have this all over archaeology. But Egyptian relics are good because they show them without hats with these big coneheads. So we have that. Now roll that forward to modern times and in North America that you were referring to is there's a link that I have I send people. It is a spreadsheet by Newman that had put out a number of years ago, where the spreadsheet shows discoveries in North America of giant bones. And understand that giants have a long oral history with the First Nations of North America, Central America and South America, and they warred with them. So it's their history. You can dispute it if you want, but that's their history. But we also have these bone discoveries that matches their accounts. And these are red-haired giants for the most part as they describe them. So these bones are usually found and they're reported. And newspapers recorded these. And so the newspaper would write a story on it. So you can track it through that, and I'll get back to that in a second. And two things happened with discoveries of these giant bones and these giant skulls. Is that they would call the university. They'd come out, excavate it, then they would call the Smithsonian. And they would take them back and then they would never be seen again or heard of, and no record of them after that. But you have that chain. Or the finders of the bones would contact Smithsonian directly, same story, get back there, last you hear of it. So on this spreadsheet, it lists the highlight details of these giant discoveries, shows the name of the newspaper, has a link to the newspaper story from between 1950 and 1850 of these discoveries, and you can read it for yourself. And it doesn't have all of them. There's just, it's an incredible amount of discoveries. And they have these elongated skulls all over the world in museums. They just don't put them on display. They used to have them on display, you know, 50 to 100 years ago, but they decided as people got more educated, we just don't want to show this for the elite, the aleem, the noble ones, understanding Indo-European or Aryan means the noble ones, right? They're the nobility, because the mundane are going to see them now, and they're going to have... A lot of questions. Questions, and they're learning, we're teaching them more, so we have to control that information. So there is a lot that's out there.

Speaker 2:
[144:37] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[144:38] I think we're going to get told more about this the closer we get to the end time, but it's still not going to be the full version, because they don't want us to fully know who they are.

Speaker 2:
[144:50] Yeah. You talked a little bit about the Anunnaki as well, and I think we have pieces of this coming out in popular podcasts.

Speaker 3:
[144:59] Yeah. 100% ancient aliens, right? It's the whole...

Speaker 2:
[145:02] What is a quick way to kind of help those people who are still holding on to the theories that they were the ones who started all this? Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[145:13] I like the ancient alien history channel show, because they dig into a lot of things. They have their biases that they funnel everything through, but they're not necessarily saying there weren't fallen angels or gods. They're just saying they're just advanced beings. There's different levels of these advanced beings.

Speaker 3:
[145:35] Well, they like to label them aliens, right?

Speaker 1:
[145:37] Yeah. They're different kinds of aliens. Well, angels are aliens.

Speaker 3:
[145:40] Yeah, by definition.

Speaker 1:
[145:41] They're not of this world. They're from the heavenly realm, right? And they come from a different dimension versus galactic. Yeah. And their offspring that they created, many kinds come from interdimensional travel as well. So it fits well. And in alien mythos has probably more on interdimensional travel than inter... They're planets outside that you could still see. But it's the main seven wandering stars, which are the same seven satans that are talked about in the Book of Enoch. So as we measure that back into the alien mythos, they are talking about the same history just through this alien lens. So there's all of this knowledge and technology that's provided. They do DNA experimentation. They may even provide their own DNA. Somehow, some way to develop humans to do this, and a lot of it. So Anunnaki finds its way in, and it has a partial in through Nibiru as another planet, right? Of aliens that is going to be coming back in, and there's a connection between Nibiru and aliens as well. But also understand that Nibiru isn't necessarily translated as Earth. It's associated with Earth. The Sumerian word for Earth isn't Nibiru, it's Nibiru Ki, with the word Ki for Earth in there. And Nibiru is a crossing of the planet, of Nibiru Ki. And that location of that crossing is Nibiru in the Earth, in another dimension. And that's where the gods ruled from. So it's consistent with polytheism. It's just been manipulated through Sitchin and other translators to move into an alien process. And this planet that's supposed to be coming back. So Anunnaki also fits in as a watcher, as they call them, in the alien mythos, so higher up at the hierarchy. Again, we're getting the invisible ones who can make themselves visible and their spurious offspring is the visible ones, as the Bible talked about. They're just expressing it slightly different. So the Anunnaki are the same ones who have this technology that we talked about, that have a human's head and an eagle's head around this technology that people call the tree of life. I don't know what it is, but that's what people like to call it. So, Anunnaki is a watcher. Watchers were known as these angelic beings. Watchers were the ones who watched over humans and the development of humans in the alien mythos. Again, telling the same story. Their offspring were also called watchers initially as well. And so, the word watcher in the Bible, as it shows up in Daniel 4 four times, goes back to the Hebrew word ir, meaning a watcher and or a city or watchtower as it comes associated with city. And from the Hebrew word ir, as in to stay awake, just as the watchers are awake all the time as watching over the throne, the four groups of watchers around the throne. So that's the word watcher that's used. And so we understand biblically the sons of God who were watchers, made giants as their offspring. These are the nephal, plural, naphalim. Naphalim means fallen ones. Naphal is when Lucifer fell. Naphalim is the source word for naphalim. Part of that meaning carries forward as part of their offspring. So, the nephalim are of the earth, the naphalim of our heaven. So, when we hear titans of heaven, those are gods in Greek mythology. Titans of the earth are their offspring, like Atlas, the demigods. Anunnaki of heaven, Anunnaki of the earth in the Sumerian tradition. You have watchers of heaven in the Sumerian tradition, which are the Anunnaki and their watchers, as they're described in Sumerian text as the royal watchers, as the offspring. It's the same thing. The Sumerian word for watcher is gidgee, rooted in the Sumerian word gidgee for eye, as in to watch. It's the same roots for the same meanings. The word dragon comes from Greek draconta and dracon, both meaning a watcher, angel and dragon in Greek. It's the same sources. So when they talk about blending Anunnaki and watcher and these description of dragons and things back into the alien thing, they're just seeing it through and expressing it through a different lens, but of the same accounts. It's the same story.

Speaker 2:
[151:18] Yeah. Here's a question. Do you believe, because it seems more nuanced on our show. Some people will come on our show, talk about something else, and they'll say, I was abducted. I was experimented on. And there seems to be this genetic manipulation on to this day. Are there interdimensional beings as well as intergalactic beings, you think? It seems like you're laying out a whole hierarchy of characters down here and other different types of watchers and how our language gets confusing. And do you believe there are, because it seems like there's craft flying around, they're taking people, and that's kind of my final question. So this catch up to today, the genetic manipulation isn't stopping from what we hear. Obviously, it's hard to prove some of these things, but it seems to be happening. Do you believe there are those creatures as well?

Speaker 1:
[152:09] Intergalactic beings or interdimensional beings?

Speaker 2:
[152:12] Both, is what I meant. It seems like there's both.

Speaker 1:
[152:14] I would say no to intergalactic. I know that that's what they're trying to sell us. But again, we don't know enough about that. I look at what it took to get us to the moon in 1968, and we're almost a lifetime away from that, and they're still struggling to get back to the moon with the technology that we have today. So, we have no idea what happens beyond the moon, whether or not we got to the moon or not, and just saying that, it's a great unknown. So, but we don't have any real evidence of intergalactic sort of travel. But what we do have is in polytheism, and if these are all saying the same stories through different lenses, polytheism, secularism, with different dimensions, aliens coming from different dimensions, and biblically, we get different dimensions. Yeah, there's a common thing here that we should probably say that's probably closer to the truth. So in the Ugaritic text, for example, you have the Rafa'im kings who could go back and forth between the other world at certain times. And certainly at the death of a king, they would parade them to the other world where the gods ruled from. This could be in the earth, but it's likely in another dimension. And I'm not saying there's not an inner earth and things going on, but I'm just saying it's likely in another dimension. To have the descriptions that Enoch talks about, the hollow earth as it's described, where that term would come from, is too vast. It almost takes a different dimension to create all of this, because there's too many physical aspects to deal with on it. So there's probably two different kind of locations there. But in all accounts, you have this Hades and Sheol that also occupies the pit prison, somewhere in there. And so both seem to be in a different dimension that occupies the same space as the inner earth.

Speaker 2:
[154:33] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[154:34] Okay. So now we have UFOs that are coming through portals. We have giants that go through these sort of portals. Portals are a standard in the occult. Whether or not it's at Gilgal-Raphaim, that's supposed to have a hundred domens. Domens is the word for portal. Fairy domens is what fairies came through in their UAPs. And very similar and identical to the greys and the gray aliens. They're called the gray gnomes. And they have the same things. They're described exactly the same way. So this interdimensional thing to me is a lot more likely. And that as we connect all the different avenues, it just seems that it is more likely that this is what we're going to have combining with the technology that's interdimensional, particularly as we factor in quantum mechanics and quantum computing, designed to work in multiple dimensions. And with multiple types of capabilities, other than just beings of the physical sort, that might have an ability to deal with interdimensional beings. Today interdimensional beings are known as spiritual beings, except for one. That would be Jesus, who went back to heaven in the body. And that was something new that was created that we're going to receive at our resurrection, be probably an interdimensional physical body.

Speaker 2:
[156:11] That's a cool way to think about it.

Speaker 1:
[156:13] So when angels come to the physical world, they can be as a spirit, a blessed being. But if you want to be a physical being, you have to take a physical form to interact. You can do some things, but you can't do everything that you can physically. But, seemingly, that doesn't go back to the dimensional world because they are all spirit beings, whether it's in Sheol or Hades, they are either ghosts, spirits, fallen angels in spirit form, but they are not in a physical form. But we know as they come through, they can take a physical form. So, and they can do that at will, accordingly. Because we see the gods walking amongst us.

Speaker 2:
[156:54] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[156:55] Until shortly after Babel and they are not walking amongst us anymore. We will be again in the end time. So it would seem that that capability is still there, or there are more rules put in place restricting that.

Speaker 2:
[157:10] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[157:11] When we look at now moving our technology to interdimensional, are they trying to create something that can go interdimensional for their spurious offspring, as what it may have been in the past? Maybe not into heaven, but at least into the other world. The second heaven. As what the Raphaim were capable of doing. And giants, as we see them going there in antediluvian mythology. So again, as we see, there's a degradation that sort of comes down. So I think there's more of a connection to the interdimensional and just link in CERN. Right?

Speaker 3:
[157:52] Yeah, which we did an episode on.

Speaker 1:
[157:53] Yeah. AI, quantum computing, different dimensions to go into heaven, to have war in heaven for the end time. And to maybe try and get the beings out of the pit prison in another dimension.

Speaker 3:
[158:04] The Godfather out.

Speaker 1:
[158:05] Yeah, and they've got the acronym CERN.

Speaker 2:
[158:09] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[158:10] To get the leader of the Watchers out, that we covered off as the goat god Azazel.

Speaker 2:
[158:14] Yeah, either way, I mean, I think it takes a long time to understand dimensional conversations. I think it's an easy word to throw out, but it's hard to really conceptualize. But I think, you know, there's so many other stories we've heard on here that help us kind of, I mean, the missing 411, people going missing, and it seems to be they're stepping from our dimension somewhere else. And the mystery is where they go. And people who somehow wander back, we interviewed two guys that had it happen at their high school. They literally walked out of, into a classroom, and the whole school disappeared. And then they came back, and they were like, how does that story make any sense? But it sounds like a dimensional gate of some kind.

Speaker 1:
[158:57] Well, and we know biblically, like, Ezekiel was taken in vision somewhere.

Speaker 2:
[159:02] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[159:03] In spirit.

Speaker 2:
[159:04] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[159:05] And John was as well. And we know that fallen angels will try and counterfeit that. Now, going to heaven's a whole different ball game.

Speaker 2:
[159:13] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[159:14] So when people astral plane, they're moving in spirit. When they're trying to get in touch with the divine essence and the atma and the female goddess source of all knowledge, Sophia, that is getting in touch with something in another dimension.

Speaker 2:
[159:35] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[159:36] There is things that can be done within the earth and the dimension that the gods rule from in the earth, but aren't, isn't permitted to have access to heaven. So there is, but again, there seems to be a technology or word associated with rituals to activate technology that activates these portals. But in the meantime, people can have these astral planing experiences.

Speaker 3:
[160:08] Yeah, they project, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[160:10] And you want to be very careful of doing that because usually you've opened the gate to do that through knowingly or unknowingly, but when you open that gate to go somewhere, go somewhere, you're opening that portal for something to come in.

Speaker 3:
[160:28] Yeah, door goes both ways.

Speaker 1:
[160:30] It goes both ways.

Speaker 2:
[160:31] Man, I feel like we covered a lot and I feel like we tackled a big topic and I just appreciate you, Gary, because from the modern day perspective, we get little like, almost little flares that shoot up in scripture and they don't make a lot of sense because you have this ancient war going on. You have different genealogies and like we said, the genes is in the beginning of your book and tell our listeners where they can get a deep dive and get the book. And if you're into Enoch, we've got a version of Enoch here, but your books.

Speaker 3:
[161:04] And you have a new book coming out.

Speaker 1:
[161:06] Yeah. We have a new book coming out.

Speaker 3:
[161:08] Start with all of it, Gary.

Speaker 2:
[161:10] Give us the whole rundown.

Speaker 1:
[161:11] Yeah. So the best way to get a hold of me is through my website at thegenesis6conspiracy.com, the number 6conspiracy.com. On there, I have all three books on my website. I have a generous excerpt of book one and book two, and I have a little bit about the O'Primo Conspiracy that's releasing April 1st, which is a novel, which is a little bit different than the first two books, but it's designed to put my research on display. There you go. And so, the Genesis 6 Conspiracy Book I was a book that I wrote and as I said earlier that I said I would never do a sequel to. But you did. But I did because Christian said, we really like the research you did and it's got a lot of connections in there from the Bible, but we'd like somebody to take research like that, but apply it specifically to the Bible. Yeah. So, that's why I did book two. So, book two is specifically targeted at Christians. I used the KGV there and take that back to the Hebrew and Greek. And in that book, I show things in book one where I talk about etymology. I talk about Greek words and Hebrew words and things like that, but I put it on full display in that sort of depth of knowledge I have in book two. And so, book two is for Christians, it's Genesis 6 Conspiracy on Steroids. And if you like Dr. Heiser, it's Dr. Heiser on Steroids because we go deeper on those things than Dr. Heiser did, just as I did with Israel as one example with the Council of the Gods. And I like Dr. Heiser's work and we line up quite well, but this book goes deeper. So, book two is one of those books as a Christian, you don't have to be as knowledgeable in the Bible as you want, but you ought to be, right? And what I'm going to talk about is in book two are things that you're going to have to look up. Even as a Christian, unless you're super familiar with the Bible, it's going to take you time to read. But the footnotes there are on the front page. So I've got all the notes annotated there so you can read what I'm talking about, look at the source, look at the meaning, look at the word, whatever the thing is that you might be flashing through your mind as you're reading it. And it's going to walk you through prehistory in a way nobody has walked you through it before. And it's going to highlight terms that you're going to need to understand end time prophecy as we go. And then as we move into the last two sections of the book, I'm going to show you how I lay out my eschatology and how it all fits and how you need to understand prehistory to understand end time prophecy. And this is a book, The Aprimo Conspiracy, and the subtitle is called, A.I.'s Covenant with Babylon. And it's designed to show how the end time might come about. And it's going to put on display all of my research, so we're going to have secret societies, we're going to have bloodlines, we're going to have orders, and we're going to have eschatology leading up to the end time. And as the series of books will go, because this one only gets to the third seal opening. And foreshadows the fourth. It's going to show you how all of this technology, all of these bloodlines, how the geopolitics comes together of how the end time is going to play out. It's not designed to be prescient, it is a fiction, but it's all based on my research and my eschatology we're not messing with. I love this guy.

Speaker 3:
[164:50] Gary doesn't write books without the word conspiracy in them. That's what I'm learning here. We've got two Genesis 6 conspiracies and a primo conspiracy. I love it, Gary.

Speaker 2:
[164:57] You don't like short books either, you like them.

Speaker 1:
[165:00] Yes. Well, and my co-author Bill, who's my publisher, he said, we're not writing a book the size of yours. This was his idea because he wanted to mesh AI with the end time somehow. He said, I want it to be a short book on the end time. I said, well, it's not going to be a short book. Then it's not going to be as short as you want. So this is as far as we can get. It's about 300 pages. We're only at the third seal, so that's why it has to be in sequels. But it's designed to get people interested in end time eschatology and to understand how we might get to the last seven years, which the first book does and starts to lead us into it, and then how it might unfold from today's perspective.

Speaker 2:
[165:48] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[165:48] Let's go. Love it.

Speaker 2:
[165:50] Thanks for taking us back and we'll roll this again. Just taking us down a wild ride of ancient history that you don't get on every day in-

Speaker 3:
[165:58] Taxonomy of Giants.

Speaker 2:
[165:59] In modern day history class in the American public school system. You don't get that. Thanks, Gary. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3:
[166:06] Thanks Gary.

Speaker 1:
[166:06] My pleasure.

Speaker 2:
[166:07] Yeah.