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Speaker 1:
[00:10] All right, welcome back to Subpar with Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz. And before we dive into all the golf action from this past week, we want to give a quick shout out to our sponsor, Kalshi, the largest prediction market in the US. Kalshi allows you to trade and win real money on events like sports and elections. Let's make one thing clear. Kalshi is not a sports book. On Kalshi, you are not playing against the house. You are trading head to head against other people. Kalshi just runs the marketplace. This makes Kalshi an exchange. That means they do not profit when you lose. The lines aren't set by them. Lines move based on where the money goes. Public opinion sets the line, not some algorithm working against you. Kalshi is not regulated by states. Instead, it is CFTC approved, meaning it is a federally regulated exchange, and that's why it is available across the US. If you want to try it yourself, Kalshi will give you $20 when you trade $20. If you use our code SUBPAR when you sign up, and I hope you did it last week, Sleaze, because we hit two out of our three bets.

Speaker 2:
[01:04] What a debut.

Speaker 1:
[01:05] Little SiWu top 20, and an outright winner, Matt Fitzpatrick.

Speaker 2:
[01:08] Henley was tracking.

Speaker 1:
[01:09] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[01:09] Just couldn't get it over. We almost went trifecta straight out the gate, but good start, good start for the boys.

Speaker 1:
[01:15] By the way, feels good for me. That's my first win this season.

Speaker 2:
[01:18] That is, congrats. We had mid-April on the board.

Speaker 1:
[01:21] Slow start.

Speaker 2:
[01:21] You gotta win one, then you win two, you know what three is called?

Speaker 1:
[01:24] Streak.

Speaker 2:
[01:25] A streak, exactly.

Speaker 1:
[01:27] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[01:28] All right.

Speaker 1:
[01:28] Well, we're going to get some Kalshi picks here in just a little bit. But right now, let's talk about the RBC Heritage signature event following the Masters. And we picked them, but Matt Fitzpatrick was your winner. Second time winning around Harbertown in a playoff over Scotty Scheffler. Did you know how I feel about this golf course? I love it. It's so unique. It's nothing like they play on the PGA Tour. They don't design them like that anymore. Davis Love came in and gave it a little revamp. But as always, it delivers. I think that's four out of the last five years we've had a playoff.

Speaker 2:
[01:58] At least three of the last four. And it's add on Sunday, like the wind that they had, how tricky it gets. Like you could be down on the ground, not feeling much, but you look up and it's going everywhere. 18 play. We had three balls out of bounds on 18, the biggest fairway in the history of golf. That was spectacular. And seeing four irons coming into that thing.

Speaker 1:
[02:15] How about Gary Woodland?

Speaker 2:
[02:15] Was the whole world. Gary with the hoop. That might, I guess, not the most important shot of the year, but you're going to be hard pressed to find a better one than that.

Speaker 1:
[02:22] When 31% of the field was hitting the green and he hooped it.

Speaker 2:
[02:26] I mean, the last I had to catch, I was coming back from Vegas, I had to catch a lot on the replay, but I was like every group I was watching coming through there, I was like, it looks like it's going out of bounds, or at least in the sand over there. Fitz did it in regulation, hit a, that's a shot he hit in reg too. Didn't get up and down from down there, but that was all world, I thought from there. I was like, there's a lot that can go wrong over here. But that place always delivers.

Speaker 1:
[02:48] Three in one day out of bounds there on 18. I mean, I don't know how many, I bet you there hadn't been three in the last 10, but I will tell you, I played with a man who hit an OB there.

Speaker 2:
[02:56] Who was it?

Speaker 1:
[02:56] The princess, Carlos Ortiz.

Speaker 2:
[02:58] You didn't know which way the wind was blowing.

Speaker 1:
[02:59] He hit it right when he hit it, he goes, oh no.

Speaker 2:
[03:02] Colt that out of bounds. Yep. Yep.

Speaker 1:
[03:04] Sure is reload.

Speaker 2:
[03:07] I bet you there's years, they go through there on a given round where three guys don't miss the fairway. After the cuts made, you get a calm day out there.

Speaker 1:
[03:14] Unless you hit it through.

Speaker 2:
[03:15] Three missed fairways.

Speaker 1:
[03:16] Yeah, unless you hit it through the fairway. That's the only way you really miss it.

Speaker 2:
[03:18] Yeah, but that was what a sick closing hole that was. And to give the playoff going back there, I thought at the time, what the fuck you think now type of situation. I was like, dude, this could just par this to death. Like this thing, like two great players, two of the best, but like, that's such a hard pin to get close to. Can play it safe and, you know, Fitz made bogey in regulation. But I was like, they could just par this three, four times in a row before somebody, like you're gonna have to take a risk to try to get it close. And I was wrong, by the way.

Speaker 1:
[03:46] I don't think he meant to hit the shot he did cause he let go of the club, but ended up 13 feet behind the hole and he made the birdie and then gave a little, where's the crowd at now? But congratulations to him, man. He is a stud, he's up number three in the world. Scottie Schaeffler is just like, if you put four together, you might win by 10. I mean, he hit his first ball that turned it out of bounds.

Speaker 2:
[04:06] Yeah, we're the odds on that. We should have been on Kalshi on that one right there. I mean, it's like, we're kind of saying the same thing over and over, but like, dude, if you just, I mean, 12 back at Augusta loses by a shot, seven back this week, loses in a playoff. I mean, you can go back to some of his other like high finishes, it's like how far back he is. I don't know if you can put your finger on anything that's happening specifically, but it's just, I mean, not getting out of the gates, but he going to one of these days and he might win by a ton, but there he was again at the end of the week, almost winning, not his best.

Speaker 1:
[04:39] I mean, he shoots 67 on Sunday in tough conditions and he missed so many putts, but he hit good putts in my opinion, except for early on like five and six weren't the best putts for Birdie, but on the back nine, he hit a lot of really good putts that just lipped out and then doing what he needed to do there at the end, Birdie 15, Birdie 16, gets it up and down on 17 and hit a poor iron shot in 18, but to chip first like that and chip it down there to give me and just be able to tap it in, I mean, take some stones, man. He's so impressive to watch. He has not put it together the last two weeks and he's lost to one person outright.

Speaker 2:
[05:15] Yeah, I mean, that's how you can go back earlier in the year too, some of these high finishes and look where he was after Friday. He only made three bogeys on the week. And the first one of them was the first hole where he jacked it out of bounds. And he's just not making, doesn't make many mistakes. He's just hadn't gotten the reward. Like he's I think the golf's probably better than the numbers are showing. And the numbers are still pretty damn good.

Speaker 1:
[05:36] I mean, last two weekends, no bogeys.

Speaker 2:
[05:37] Yeah, that's nice to do. Plus around that place, it takes like one somewhat crooked shot to not even have like a glimpse at the green.

Speaker 1:
[05:44] I know we were talking about his top 10 streak earlier this year that got ridiculous. I think got to 18.

Speaker 2:
[05:48] 18, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[05:49] But this is now and I know for him, he doesn't care. But just as a player, I think you'll appreciate this because there's just a lot of weeks you don't have it. And even if you do grind it out, make the cut, you finish 50th. I believe it's now 29 straight top 25s.

Speaker 2:
[06:04] Even with that big slump he had earlier this year with the two 22nd, 24th.

Speaker 1:
[06:08] I mean, that's just, that's freaking absurd.

Speaker 2:
[06:10] Yeah, they're pretty good out there, those guys. And what he does, like as soon as he gets off to a start on Thursday or Friday, oh, just dude, how about back to back events, one being a major championship with no bogeys on the weekend?

Speaker 1:
[06:21] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[06:21] Like, and three all week at that place is three anywhere.

Speaker 1:
[06:25] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[06:25] It's a joke. But yeah, shout out to Fitz, dude. I mean, he's running. He got two already this year and damn near had a third at the players.

Speaker 1:
[06:31] Only the only the fourth man from England to have a multiple win season on the PGA Tour.

Speaker 2:
[06:37] Is that right?

Speaker 1:
[06:37] Yeah. Justin Rose has done it twice. Luke Donald and Sir Nick Faldo.

Speaker 2:
[06:41] There you go.

Speaker 1:
[06:43] At this time last year, 79th in the world. Matt Fitzpatrick, now number three.

Speaker 2:
[06:47] Yeah, was struggling. His tee to green stats. We were going home on radio today, dude. He's number one in total driving right now. He's sixth in like strokes gained approach and all like kids that used to be, but he added all that length, of course, but he's hitting it straight as ever right now and longer than ever. And the irons are great. Like it's no fluke that he's up here. I mean, he almost has three of these things right now. What did you think about, did the little ear thing at the end? Like I said, I caught up on most of the coverage, so I wasn't watching it live and getting the reaction. Like, this is the USA thing, like out of bounds now. I mean, you got Scottie Fitz in America, Ryder Cup, you know, both members of the Ryder Cup team right after they dumped us on our home turf. Like, is that that big of a, it seemed like you got a lot of pub.

Speaker 1:
[07:29] Listen, I'll say this, and I mean, obviously I got the headset on, I could hear everything that's going on out there for the most part. I have zero problem with it. And just 95% of the tournaments we cover are in America. Right? I mean, we got the Scottish Open and the Open Championship basically on the PGA Tour. That's it. And the Canadian Open. So we're used to a very pro-American crowd. But just don't forget when Brian Harmon won the Open Championship just a few years ago, they were all over his ass. And so therefore I'm like, okay, we go over there. That's how you treat the Americans. So like, when you come over here, I don't think it's disrespectful. I mean, Matt Fitzpatrick said it doesn't bother him. It's nothing compared to the Ryder Cup. Listen, they want Scottie Schaeffler to win. He's the fan favorite. They're pulling for him. I have zero issue with this, as long as they're not interrupting the shot.

Speaker 2:
[08:15] 100%, like we've said before. And also at the same time, like Harmon was getting dragged over there, the waggles and all the stuff. He was taking abuse. They were chanting USA, which is just a pro-Scotty thing. When Fitz made the putt, like the place erupted, like it was still pro, like they were cheering. It wasn't like booing and like booing bad shots. It was like booing Fitz when he hit good shots even like, yeah, of course, the room for Scotty, but you got so much hub and all this stuff, like fans are out of line. I was like, by the way, flip it. If we go to open championship there and let's just say it's Fitz coming down the stretch with another, maybe it's not Scotty, Xander. You don't think you're going to, on the 72nd hole, you're going to hear some Ole, Ole, Ole's out there? That's what I'm saying. We just, we play all our events over here. Of course it was going to be USA. I thought it was a zero burger, but people were like freaking out on the phones and stuff today. I was like, man, like we are, as long as it's not like in his backswing where they're yelling like hateful stuff like we saw at the Ryder Cup a little bit. But I was like, do you want people to care or not? You can get a bunch of these events where it's a library out there and you don't hear nothing. And you ask the players, which one would you rather play in? I think it would be unanimous.

Speaker 1:
[09:16] Yeah. I mean, you want there to be some juice out there when the crowd's going like that. It helps provide some juice. I don't have any.

Speaker 2:
[09:22] He handled it, but it wasn't fit saying this stuff. It was like media and all the other stuff. So it was clearly a non-issue, but of a good win. I mean, it's Scotty and Rory and he's the top of the, and then it's everybody else, but there's a little grouping that shuffling around. It's fits right now.

Speaker 1:
[09:38] What kind of odds do you think you could have got that Matt Fitzpatrick and Chris got her up would be the only two-time winners?

Speaker 2:
[09:44] Only double winners on the PGA Tour this year? Pretty good.

Speaker 1:
[09:46] Kalshi, that would have been a very good number.

Speaker 2:
[09:48] Yeah. We'll hit that next time.

Speaker 1:
[09:49] All right. Well, I must say, it's good to see you. I've been gone for two weeks. You just got back from Vegas looking fresh. I know you weren't dragging those clubs through the airport heading out of Vegas.

Speaker 2:
[10:00] We'll get to Vegas here in a second. Let me just say thank Jesus for ShipSticks, dude, because you've been there. I'm not complaining about nothing. It's one of the best weekends in life that you can have. But I was not doing great Sunday morning. And I like the minimum. Granted, and I was hustling to the airport just to get on my plane. I was like, if I got to get here early Sundays when everyone leaves, there's lines like how early do you got to get there to check your bag? Just hand them, ShipSticks, label, boom, send them straight home. Don't eat them today, don't eat them tomorrow. I don't know when I'll need them again. But God is a lifesaver. Those are the situations right there where I think it's like the best. I want to get there 45 minutes on the nose before my flight. I don't want to talk to anyone. By the way, there's no place more depressing than Sunday morning at Harry Reid International, dude. And you're just looking around like, he's dead, he's dead. It's just shame and misery and people that lost. It is so bad, but thank God for ShipSticks, dude. They are, that was a lifesaver. But I did, there's one negative. I did lost my pitching wedge.

Speaker 1:
[11:03] That's not ShipSticks.

Speaker 2:
[11:04] I don't know where that is. When I went to check them, I was like, here you go. And I was like, no wedge, we'll find it. It'll turn up somewhere, but it's a price you pay for getting out of there quickly. So anyways, if you're going on a trip and you want to ease it up as much as you can, use ShipSticks right now. ShipSticks offering our listeners 20% off your first shipment. When you go to shipsticks.com, use the code SUBPART20. Go to shipsticks.com, use the code SUBPART20 to get 20% off your first shipment and save yourself the hassle this golf season. That's shipsticks.com. Make sure you use the code SUBPART20 so they know we sent you. God bless you, ShipSticks. Save me. And at about an hour of very valuable time.

Speaker 1:
[11:45] Colbert, you need to know Pitch and Wedge before the four ball.

Speaker 2:
[11:47] Yeah, it doesn't have my name on it.

Speaker 1:
[11:49] 8 a.m. Invitational.

Speaker 2:
[11:50] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[11:51] Tell me about it. I'm jealous. I don't get to go because of my schedule. Looked like I saw a bunch of pitchers look like there was some golfing, some drinking, some singing.

Speaker 2:
[11:59] There was some serious singing. It was so I'll just run it there. I played the first day. We had a late bail played. We switched it this year to three man scramble. Normally it's like best ball scenario and three on three this time. So I paired up with I played up with Nick Carter from the Backstreet Boys. We're doing a little dance. I showed him a couple of moves that I feel like he might use at the Sphere later on and Jagger Eaton, who's a stud local guy, one of the best skateboarders in the United States and a really good, like maybe the best celeb there. He's good, dude. Like legit. I bet he's around scratch. OK, low single and he's been playing a bunch. So we had a great time that first day. Enjoyed it. All the stuff played on Team Phelps. Second day did a little juggling around. Team Phelps ended up with a dub. They did a shootout based on points one in the matches with a little Jimmy Reagan, of course, to make it more competitive. So six guys from Team Phelps, four players from Team Wee go to the 18th for a shootout. One hole, scramble, lowest. If it's a tie, it's a chip off. Well, the captains thought it'd be fun to pick their worst players. To have to hit in front of everybody. So Wee was like going through, all right, we want this, this, Miles Teller, like some of the other guys. It was great. And then did the same thing on Phelps side. But like one had to like leave that they were going to pick. So Pena was like standing right there while we were doing it. Michael Pena, we're like screw it, just put Pena in. Like people want to get, he's way too good to be in this, but like just do it. He's like, I'll go all the, anyways, he ends up hitting it to eight feet and Michelle hit it to like 40 feet up the hill, spun it back down. They all missed. Pena gets up there, second guy to putt, made it himself, little natty tweet walk off for Mr. Pena. But-

Speaker 1:
[13:40] Michelle better tighten that wedge up before the US Women's Open.

Speaker 2:
[13:43] That's what I told her. I was like, yeah, Michelle we west, the game's going, Michelle we south. Bam.

Speaker 1:
[13:49] I bet you used that.

Speaker 2:
[13:50] Hit her with that. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[13:51] How'd that go?

Speaker 2:
[13:52] Not great.

Speaker 1:
[13:52] Not great. Who was MVP? Not golf wise, just entertainment wise.

Speaker 2:
[13:58] I'll give it to you right now. Karaoke Night, which is an all-timer. We had some rooks that got up there saying their heart out. We actually had a real singer, David Kushner, Nashville Bounty Club guy. Super nice guy, but AJ. McClain from the Backstreet Boys gets up there, dude. Every girl, every wife, half the field, I think, ended up getting up there with him and just sung their hearts out. And AJ., obviously with the lead, it was like being at a Backstreet Boys concert. I mean, Michelle, this is like who they listened to growing up, like just freaking out. You got all of everybody, Dexter's up there going wild. That was for sure. Like it was like legit cool. And then they sang an NSYNC song. He sang an NSYNC song at the end in honor of JT as a walk off.

Speaker 1:
[14:45] Did Erlacher sing?

Speaker 2:
[14:46] Erlacher did not participate. You know who did? I don't have to tell you, but got very provocative with his performance. Dexter, who's sneaky, not sneaky. Like I'm like, dude, you want to be an arm. He's like, I would have trade my whole baseball career. He's saying Pony by Ginuwine, alongside Jason Kennedy, who was kind of the ringleader of it. And then Aaron Lim Rhodes' husband got up there. I mean, I think somebody got pregnant just watching the thing. There was some grinding and gyrating, all this shit, but it was so fun. Ended up with a big night of cards. Tables got hot that night too, which was awesome. Everybody had a good time. Bummy, of course, closing the place down, dude. It's just an all time weekend.

Speaker 1:
[15:26] Listen, I love Bummy. I'm actually going on their show here in a week or two. We need a fourth with Cooper Manning and the guys. Was it cold in Vegas?

Speaker 2:
[15:37] The first day?

Speaker 1:
[15:38] Yeah, dude. OK, because he was bundled up and I know he likes his sweater vest.

Speaker 2:
[15:41] Legit chilly, OK, windy and cold in the morning. Second day was perfect. First day. I mean, people were freezing. Like you show up. It's only hot as it's only here, you know? And it wasn't. So, yeah, it was in his defense. Like pants. I would have had pants and a sweater on for sure if I brought them. But all in all, shout out to 8 a.m. best weekend of the year. Also not devastated that it's over and I'm good for a while.

Speaker 1:
[16:05] We'll get you some rest.

Speaker 2:
[16:06] Good for a while. Yeah, dude. But good to be back with you.

Speaker 1:
[16:09] I'd say I need a little rest as well, because I just spent two straight weeks in a house with our man Wagoo, the great Johnson Wagner.

Speaker 2:
[16:15] That's like dog years with him. And he aged quickly.

Speaker 1:
[16:18] I'm going to say it because he claims that I bragged about beating him two times in a row on the West Coast, which all I did was just give the people an update. He got me this week at Hilton Head. He shot 66 on me at Long Cove.

Speaker 2:
[16:31] He wasn't shipping Cross-Handed clearly because I saw him try that and rifled that bitch across the thing going to Mach 6.

Speaker 1:
[16:37] We got our new show, Scorecard.

Speaker 2:
[16:39] Oh, nice.

Speaker 1:
[16:41] After the coverage on Saturday and Sunday at Signature Events and Majors, which is Shane Bacon and Wagoo, and then I was actually on it the first day. But yeah, he had some interesting shots so far.

Speaker 2:
[16:52] The Cross-Handed was great.

Speaker 1:
[16:55] Did you see what he's trying to get worse? He tried to hit it between the trees like he did the first day. He's scolded across the green and then actually did OK the next one. But the first one, like he took a practice swing, hit the tree.

Speaker 2:
[17:07] He's the best that we had. We had such a fun to 66 over him.

Speaker 1:
[17:10] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[17:10] At Harvard time, it's a long curve. Oh, excuse me. I don't let us play anywhere. Golfing. All right. All right. One to one or one to one to two, I guess.

Speaker 1:
[17:20] I got the lead so far, but this will be continuing on Fridays at most tournaments. I believe our next schedule match is in Miami. I think we're going to play the gold course at Doral. He's dodging me this week in New Orleans.

Speaker 2:
[17:31] Of course. Of course. Doesn't want to smoke.

Speaker 1:
[17:33] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[17:33] Can't have two weeks with Wagyu though. Shout out Wagyu.

Speaker 3:
[17:35] I love you.

Speaker 2:
[17:36] I love you to death. We had so much fun.

Speaker 1:
[17:38] It was beautiful. All right. Let's see if we can keep this winning streak going with Kalshi. All right. So Zurich Classic of New Orleans team event. Not the greatest field in the world. Tough spot in the schedule. We just went major signature event Zurich, then signature, signature major. Yeah. Tough spot. Got Brooks Koepke, Shane Lowry teaming up defending champions, Andrew Novak and Ben Griffin, which is actually who we are going with this week. We're going to have them go back to back. Ben Griffin starting to play a little better. Andrew Novak had a nice week at Hilton Head like he normally does. And for them to be the outright winner plus 1772.

Speaker 2:
[18:13] OK, we got the winner last week. Back to back ain't cheatin, is what they say. Going into our top ten bet here. We're going with a little youth movement here. Tell me what you think about this one. Young guy who I've been as high on as anybody. I haven't quite clicked yet for him as a pro, but just give him time. I'm still over the moon for this kid. Luke Clanton teaming up with a young man. Youngest in the field, just almost became the youngest winner on the Corn Furry Tour for about the third time. He sees him to be contending a lot. He's contending in the two of the last three. And he played in the final group with Scottie at the AMEX. He's a kid. He's straight as shit off the tee. He hits it hard and he's an unbelievable putter. I think he's a great partner to have and he's hungry. He would love being out there. Luke Clanton, Blades Brown, top ten. Top ten, lofty, but very easily achievable, plus 158. Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1:
[19:01] I do. Clanton, I mean, he's going to turn it around at some point. He's too good.

Speaker 2:
[19:04] Yeah, I'm not worried.

Speaker 1:
[19:05] Blades has been playing great. And you mentioned this. So their combined age is 40.

Speaker 2:
[19:09] It's a tough scene. I'm older than that.

Speaker 1:
[19:11] Yeah, there are 10 players at the moment in the field older than their age combined.

Speaker 2:
[19:17] Nice.

Speaker 1:
[19:18] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[19:18] So nice.

Speaker 1:
[19:19] There you have it.

Speaker 2:
[19:20] OK, let's go. That does hurt.

Speaker 1:
[19:22] Yeah. Let's get one for the youngsters there. Plus 158. We're going to throw another top 20 bet at you. This one is minus 143. And what an upgrade in partners for Ryan Gerrard, whose partner David Ford had an injury. He had to withdraw. He was panicking, looking for a partner. He called the PGA Tourist and who's eligible, went down the list, called Smiley Kaufman. He's a broadcaster. He's not playing much golf these days. Smiley said, I love you. I appreciate it. This is a great story, but I am not teeing it up.

Speaker 2:
[19:50] Smiling alt shot would be a fun one. Unless the driver, I don't know if the driver, he poses swings and like talk to him about, I'm like, it looks good.

Speaker 1:
[19:58] The swing is good on the range.

Speaker 2:
[20:00] How is it going so far offline with the dog? Cause that's the issue, right?

Speaker 1:
[20:04] I think we got a little something going on in the dome up there. He decided to take a knee. And by the way, I don't know how this all came together. I don't know if the man just planned on taking a week off and Gerard talked him into it, but the rookie from Canada who's been playing some great golf, Sudarshan Yelamaraju.

Speaker 2:
[20:20] I love him.

Speaker 1:
[20:20] I mean, what a replacement. You just went from Smiley to Yelamaraju. And they're minus.

Speaker 2:
[20:25] He's good.

Speaker 1:
[20:26] Yeah, they're minus 143 to top 20.

Speaker 2:
[20:29] Yeah, that's a great, he's been playing great golf, puts the eyes out of it every time I watch him. He seems like just a, not a lot goes wrong type of a guy. Maybe not the biggest, like, you know, maybe doesn't put in fifth gear a whole lot, but like just could pepper fairways, putz it good. He'd be a, he's a great, like, alt shot guy. That's where it's won or lost, is in the alt shot. So you gotta have like, it's hard to have sporadic guys in that. Something goes awry, it could be a problem.

Speaker 1:
[20:56] I'm heading there this weekend. We'll be on the call. Got a little Jimmy in the big chair this week.

Speaker 2:
[21:01] Baby Jim.

Speaker 1:
[21:02] Yep, a little catalog coming in. Can be a lot of fun down there in New Orleans. Got a little game with heavy, heavy, some of the boys, New Orleans Country Club on Friday.

Speaker 2:
[21:11] Never met him, but I love him.

Speaker 1:
[21:14] Once again, follow along our picks. Go to Kalshi, use code SUBPAR. 20 bucks when you trade 20 bucks.

Speaker 2:
[21:20] Get paid.

Speaker 1:
[21:21] Let's keep this thing hot. All right, our guest this week. I'm so pumped for this. I know you are too. But this guy, he loves the Zerk Classic. He loves New Orleans. He won a Super Bowl in New Orleans with the Saints. He's a hero down there, but he's now the coach of your Denver Broncos, and he's a golf nut. Coach Sean Payton joins us on Subpar.

Speaker 2:
[21:40] All right, folks, we got a very special guest with us here today. In my unbiased opinion, the greatest coach in the National Football League has won 194 ballgames as a head coach, including Super Bowl with the New Orleans Saints, now entering his fourth year with the Denver Broncos. Head ball coach Sean Payton joins as coach. What an honor.

Speaker 3:
[21:59] Hey, it's great to be on. Appreciate you guys having me on.

Speaker 1:
[22:03] And how cool is this? It's draft week. It's Zurich Classic Week, which I know is very special to you. And we're releasing this this week, so this is gonna be awesome. I think a lot of our listeners would love to hear kind of like what this prep is like and what draft night is like for you.

Speaker 3:
[22:18] You know, we got into structure routine. The very first year I was in New Orleans was 06. So my first year as a head coach, post Katrina, and I believe the Zerk was back at the original place. They were playing on the West Bank. It was just because of the storm, so they weren't at TPC for that one year. But most of the hotels were still like non-operative, the restaurants, and we selected Reggie Bush in that draft. And you guys remember, like, this is BlackBerry. We're not on social media yet. And that pick in the firestorm afterwards, the Saints sold out season tickets in an hour. And then we flew him to New Orleans. Before he landed, there were 20,000 people on a waiting list for season tickets. And I remember, he was only 20 years old, and we picked him up, and we're taking him to dinner. And, like, one of the only restaurants open at that time because of Post-Katrina was Emeril. So everyone that was there for the tournament, it was packed. And the rain had started, we opened the door, and there was this chant, you know, Reggie, Reg, and it was, it was, like, I remember him turning to me at dinner saying, did you plan all this? And I said, listen, I said, get this out of your mind. You're just starting out, Rookie, and, but it was, that was a significant, like, draft moment, I think, for Saints fans, because he brought such excitement, you know, coming off a really good team at USC. I think there was so much, we definitely thought, you know, Houston was taking him at one, and then when something like that changes, like, I remember us meeting Saturday morning, because we had heard that Houston was going to pick Mario, you know, Williams, and so it really changed the thinking. And so, then pretty soon after that, the Zurich came and I can't recall the year they changed it to a partner format. I thought it was real, you know, I thought that really benefited the tournament. And you know, I've got a great relationship with Ryan Palmer, so that was the week that was really easy to manage from a schedule standpoint and play in the Pro-Am. And, you know, Breeze would play, you know, Rick Farrell, a close friend of ours, was always wanting to buy a foursome. And I'm going to say, you know, that was the stretch where Palmer did a great job recruiting like one of the top five players in the world.

Speaker 1:
[24:56] Jordan Spieth and John Rahm, I was like, good, I mean, you're going to ask Rory next year, RP, what are we doing here?

Speaker 3:
[25:01] Well, and if you left out Schaeffler. So these guys in a pairs format would end up in our group. And I think their attraction to us was, we weren't going to ask them, silly pro questions like right away, like we're betting on the first tee box, all of us getting a stroke of hole or whatever the handicap is. So that tournament over the years was always and still is the week of the draft. You know, our work by Wednesday, for instance, was pretty much done and then you'd go back to the draft room. And so, yeah, a lot of great memories. And I think the tournament, when they switched it to the partner's format, I think it's helped create a little niche for them.

Speaker 1:
[25:46] Absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[25:46] Yeah, they've switched it up tough spot in the schedule and they now at least have like an identity. But going back to like draft stuff and that being during the week of like, you're in it right now. Give us an idea like leading up, what are the hours like per day? How many of y'all are in there in a room like evaluating these guys? And how deep are you going like on the board in terms of like, because you got to adjust, you don't know what everybody else is picking?

Speaker 3:
[26:06] Yeah, it's a great question. So the process, you know, you have an early, when the season ends, you have a front board meeting that's before the combine and before all the things these players are going to do after their season. And that just begins, it's like a very early stack. And if you were staring at the board, you might look at, you know, the running back position, and it might go down the column. And at the top would be, if there are however many first rounders, second ending in the seventh round. So you're assigning early grades and these vertical stacks are just by the position. Then fast forward to where we are. Let's go three weeks ago. And the scouts are in the building now. We've had the combine, we've had the pro days, the workouts, the top 30 visits. And now you're, you're adjusting those stacks a little. And so if you took each round and you said, hey, the top of the first round is a one, one, a one, two is the middle of the first round, a one, three. And if you use that for each round, like if I told you a four, two, it'd be a grade of middle of the fourth round. That vertical stack by the position is, nothing's easy, but that's one thing. It's when you cross-pollinate and then you pull back all positions and you're looking at trying to decide, is it the safety, is it the defensive end, is it the guard? So that probably began, I'd say, a week to 10 days ago where we're really, the board's up and we're really just making small adjustments. Maybe we'll send a group of, occasionally there's a clump of three or four players that you're trying to really split hairs with and you'll grab two more scouts' eyes, two more coaches' eyes, send them off for a day, have them come back, give you another read. So it's up for all the teams right now. And I think today, I'm guessing what other teams are doing. I know what we're doing is, we're looking at each option, all right, here we are. You know, we don't pick till 62, right? So we have the second round selection. And you get a sense at 62, there's probably six players that I would project possibly as candidates to be there. And the further we go out, the further the boards vary throughout the league. You know, so, you know, someone who's picking, let's say pick 15 in the draft in the first round, they're probably gonna have a good idea of what's one of these three players. If you went to the fifth round, now it's gonna be one of these, you know, we think 20 players, if you will. So the further out you go, it's like, you know, the shotgun buckshot, it just spreads. So we've been in those meetings. I think we started eight this morning. We're on a dinner break now. And yeah, I want to say, you know, probably eight tonight. And it's even into that later part of the draft, you know, where's the cutoff between an undrafted free agent? We hold the last pick of the draft, Mr. Irrelevant, and then we hold the second to last pick of the draft. So that's Vice President, Mr. Irrelevant. We hold those two picks. And what happens there is after the draft, there's going to be another 200 players sign contracts, you know, and guys make it undrafted. So it's a little different than the NBA draft and a little different than some other sports where after the second round, it's tough to make. At that point, you're kind of getting a bead as to who you're able to sign in free agency or maybe who you can't but you want. And with those two picks, the last two picks, that can be somewhat advantageous to getting a later round prospect as long as there's a clear vision for what you think he can do to make the team.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 3:
[31:21] Yeah, it's 2017. Of course, Ryan's got a ranked player, a top five player. And so he and Spieth are both from the Dallas area. They're caddies. Mr. Greller, Mr. Edmondson. They come over to get some rehab first. And they played their first round essentially. And they're getting some treatment in that might. I think Ryan had a dry-needle done because he had a foot issue. And I don't know if anyone's had a dry-needle, but that's not fun. When they throw five dry-needles into the bottom of your foot to help with that muscle, that injury. I think Spieth made Greller run a 100-yard dash wearing a helmet. And not a 40. A hundred. A hundred. Do we have a time? Only Spieth would ask his caddy to run a hundred. Like normally you'd say, run a 40, let's measure it. But, so fortunately we didn't lose Greller. Yeah, so I said, hey, there's a table. The first round is Thursday night. We were picking 11. And so those guys had a chance to, you know, basically we gave them a draft book. They saw the board. And Latimore was a candidate. This story has been told a number of times. Patrick certainly was a candidate. We'd been to their pro days, been to their private workouts. And if you're picking 11, you know, at the old adages, you better have 11 players you like, you know, or you trade back. And when it gets to, oh, pick number eight, and you have two that you really want, and that was Patrick and Marshawn. And there's been a lot of back and forth as to who would have been selected. But Buffalo was at 10, and there's been a trade. And I remember Drew had came, only it coincided with something he was doing with some college buddies. And he had just texted me, and I said, bring them up, give them a tour. And we had just started that first round, and Drew, man, he was with his guests. And it was the first draft that he was ever, I think, in town, or certainly the first draft he ever came into the draft room. And it was all good. I mean, this is 2017. He's been already set to go into the Hall of Fame, which he's going into this year. So it becomes apparent that he's going to stay for this first pick. And I'm thinking, holy cow. So I remember going over and just grabbing him and saying, hey, walk with me. And we just looked at the board. And we discussed what may or may not happen, depending on how the draft unfolds. And then right before Buffalo, the team selects another player. So immediately, we know we're getting either the corner or the QB. And then there's been a trade in the Chiefs. Those guys did a great job. They came up to 10. And right when they made that trade, I knew it had to be for Patrick. You know, Andy and those guys do a great job looking at the quarterbacks. And there, I don't think there were a number of teams that maybe saw that talent. Everyone today sees it. Because there were, I think, a couple of quarterbacks that went prior to pick 10. So, they took Patrick, we took Lattimore. Lattimore ended up being the defensive rookie of the year. But, yeah, those guys had a chance to see that live. And I know either Jordan or Ryan both have been asked by, you know, media outlets since then, tell us about that, what that draft was like. And it's three hours. So this year, Thursday night, you know, we're going to put our sport coats on. I don't know if we put a tie on if you don't have a pick, you know. In other words. But for the Scout, all right. And I'm talking about the College Scout. This is their Super Bowl. Yeah. Like they start with these players. The minute this draft ends, they go home for a week or two on vacation and they begin again on next year's seniors. And so just think about that process. And that's for the College Scout. Those guys are in hotel rooms with their computers a lot by themselves. So this is an important week for them. And the minute these guys get drafted, they come to the pro scouting now. And the college guys are off to the next set of players. So it's always been an exciting week for our league. And I think it's really taken off. I mean, I was watching something on network two nights ago. They were doing the history at 1943. Nine owners decide, hey, we're going to have this draft to make it fair, you know? And then it was in New York for so long, right? It was always in New York. And then before, I mean, there was a time when you'd get on the phone and you'd have someone on that end write the name down and run up and turn the slip in. When you think back as to how antiquated it was. And then look to our league's credit, they travel it now. It's in Pittsburgh this year. And the ratings for this, you know, will be easily over any NBA or NHL playoff game. It's the fans, the fans are so engaged to the first round. You know, there's so much online. You could, you can run a mop. You can, so I think our fan base is that much more educated about what's going to happen. And then how is their team going to be impacted? And our league set up the strict cap where, you know, the guys picking at the top have earned those picks. They haven't had good records, but there's always hope.

Speaker 2:
[37:19] Yeah, I mean, I tune in, Broncos, Team Iruf, we don't have a first round pick. I'll be watching the entire thing. I mean, it's just football fans. You can't get enough football all the time.

Speaker 3:
[37:28] Look, I think this, back to the Zurich. So this is umpteen years later now. I was there 15 years. I think I probably played in 13 Pro-Ams there. And then they always had a Tuesday, like a Zurich, like a four hole fundraiser, which was always kind of a cool thing. But I would say money games, not enough strokes obviously, but it was ROM the one year, it was Speed, it was Schaeffler. And the year Drew retired, it was during COVID. So, think about the career he had, he didn't really get to have that presser, that, hey, I'm gonna retire. And so here it is in April, and he's gonna meet with the media after this Wednesday Pro-Am. And they sent us off the front nine first. No, they sent us off the back nine first. And now we're on the front nine. And I'm gonna say Rick Farrell, Drew Brees, Sean Payton are up either six or 300 on ROM and Palmer. And we're playing, it's a par three finishing whole water left. I'm gonna say it's, oh, call it 160, but into a wind. And I'm playing a 180 shot, a block, a six iron. It hits the cart path and goes up into the Grey Goose tent. Like into the, you know, those tents are all elevated with just one stairwell up. And the irony of this, like all amateur players, you know, I'm chipping, I'm standing too far away from the ball. And John's caddy from Charlotte, Adam Hayes, Adam says, you know, middle of the round. He said, man, you know, get your feet closer to the ball. And made sense. And, you know, and here it was, this thing's sitting, I can take a drop, but that wouldn't be any fun. So it's like that Astro Turf carpet. And my only concern is there's this like metal guard rail that I've got to hit over. And if I don't hit this right, you know, I might break a veneer. And the water's on the other side of that hole, you know, on hole, it's really 18. And, but I got to give all credit to Adam. You know, in other words, man, I clipped this right, the ball was right off the, you know, the right foot, and it kind of spins and sticks on the green. And then Palmer says, hey, it's only going to be, you know, a moment if you make the putt. And so, sank the putt, it was three for two. And it was just one of those like, you got to be kidding me. And Breeze looks over at me and the media are all waiting. And I'm like, man, are they waiting for your retirement or for me to talk about this shot right now? And, and I can remember John, like John had said to me, and I can't use the words, but like you haven't freaking made a shot all day.

Speaker 1:
[40:41] John Rom did call it the best party he's ever seen on that hole.

Speaker 3:
[40:46] He was a little salty, but we had fun with it. So there's always these like over the years they run together. But I can recall, there's a lot of first timers that get a win there. That full swing just came out. I'm watching the young kid from Carolina. Ben Griffin. Yeah. And so I think Bubba won there one year. And it's kind of a fun environment. You guys know it. And the city embraces it. And so yeah, I can't recall the years. I ended up on Palmer's bag over a bottle of wine when James said on 4th of July, he can't caddy the Greenbrier. And it all sounded good until like the fourth day in. My shoes are sopping wet. We've had rain and I've never caddyed before. And now like we're making the cut. And I realized, holy cow, this is really like messing up my social schedule. Like you're exhausted when you get home.

Speaker 1:
[41:41] Well, yeah. And that's the first time I actually met you. And we played a practice round, which we got throttled by Vijay Singh and Jason Bone. But the first two days y'all were grouped with Tom Watson.

Speaker 3:
[41:52] Yeah. The practice round.

Speaker 1:
[41:55] We don't need to talk about the practice round coach.

Speaker 2:
[41:56] Let's talk about this practice round coach.

Speaker 3:
[41:59] That's the first time that I put a tour bag on my shoulder and it's raining. And so day one caddying, I'm trying to manage the umbrella and the towel and the weight of it all. And I think somewhere I asked, you know, when you're like, I take my driver head cover, throw it in the back of my golf cart and it goes back on when I'm finished the round. So early on, I'm asking Ryan, do you need the driver head cover on after each hole? And he's like, yeah. But that day, that day, I gained like a really strong appreciation for the challenge of carrying that bag. And then, yeah, we get, we get partnered with Ben Curtis, Tom Watson. And yeah, there's a little novelty because like, you know, I'm a head coach carrying this bag, but like between first tee to finishing hole, Watson doesn't like say a word to me, like doesn't even, doesn't even just, you know, he's all, and he got the tee box, I don't know on which hole, but he wants to finish this round. I think he's probably in his sixties at the time. He doesn't want a long round. And, and you know, we're coming off the green and I am just setting the bag down and his ball's in the air. And I'm like, when do you guys got to get this tee box back? But he was super friendly and they had those evening events. And yeah, you and I first met and we had, there were a few young players. We had rented out one of those cottages. Yeah, it was awesome. And I think it was, here's the thing, you don't even begin to think about a morning tea time, what kind of shoes you're wearing as a caddy, because there's going to be dew on the ground. There were just so many mistakes made by this guy here. I think I lost the driver head cover on a hole. One of the workers came over and, you know, Ryan is, he's all over the place, but played well and I think all three of them made the cut. I remember texting James and saying, hey, I've got your golfer into the weekend, enjoy your vacation, because the deal was, James was going to get paid whatever the share was. It was just going to be a paid vacation for a caddy. And I think when we flew home, I think I flew Ryan home private. And that was like a first for the caddy. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[44:25] That's a good caddy.

Speaker 1:
[44:26] By the way, we played the practice round and we're playing VJ and Bone, Palmer and I. And I'm pretty sure we were like four down through nine. I was like, coach, what will this half time speech be like right now? He goes, you don't want to hear it.

Speaker 2:
[44:37] Pack it in, boys.

Speaker 1:
[44:39] It's not going to be very friendly.

Speaker 2:
[44:41] Oh man, I tell you that caddy is harder than it looks, man, you and I both done it, it'll beat the shit out of you. All right, if you had to put a draft grade coach on yourself as a caddy, where do you think you'd be?

Speaker 3:
[44:49] I mean, there's not many sports that have the ability to do that and there's so many bad golfers that love the sport. But so you're obsessed with every element of it and I think one of the cool things that the PGA Tour has done is in a lot of sports they're bringing, everyone wants to be behind the ropes, have more access. And so, you know, whether it's a Netflix documentary, we're getting those opportunities more. And I think the fans in our game the same way are getting to hear more of a game, you know, when we're wearing microphones and all that. But I think everyone wants to know what's the process behind the scenes. And it's pretty interesting. I find it interesting, like, you know, when I'm hearing Ben Griffin's story about being two years and then coming back. You know, anytime those are great stories, whether it's an F1 racing or golf or tennis. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1:
[45:46] Yeah, those behind the scenes stuff. It's fun to watch. I got to ask you real quick about Gazer. You spend your summers up there. You have an incredible breakfast club. You get to play with our boy Brendan Morrow quite a bit. You all have a fun birdie bet. But tell us a little bit about the summers up there at Gazer.

Speaker 3:
[46:05] During COVID, kept hearing so many good things about this property and look, it's in Northern Idaho. I'm from Illinois. I don't know anything about the Pacific Northwest. But I knew there were the little niche there, I would say was a number of NHL players were early members there. Morrow, Whitney, Gretzky. Just a lot of guys that played hockey really found that spot ahead of a lot of other people. And then after COVID, it took off. But so that morning group, now there's some other close friends from Los Angeles that are there. There's the hockey contingent. And I think, you know, one of the things like I'm one of these guys that's like on my Twitter feed, I'll get like 12 golf tips every day. You know, you follow these different and I'll save them into the email. And you always hear the teachers talk about, you know, covering your shot. And I think that the hockey players with the slap shot cover the shot. Like they are, that action for them is, so those guys are the better players transitionally off the sport. Mauro is, he's fantastic. And, but they all have a different personality. The Canadians, I haven't met one you don't like. I mean, they're all, they're, they're just, they got a great demeanor about him. But, but Mauro, when he's playing, of course, he's a real good player. He's very serious, but like his clubs take a beating.

Speaker 1:
[47:43] So does his golf cart.

Speaker 3:
[47:46] Yeah, well, and look, he lives a block from me. And like every once in a while you're pulling in and his garage is open. And all of a sudden you just see the, like the amount of clubs in his garage. And I said to Brendan once, I said, this is like an abused golf storage shed where, you know, the middle irons are safe. So those guys have been around forever. You know, it's the driver, it's the wedges, it's the putter, anything outside the seven or below, you know, those are safe clubs. So they've been in his bag, but the rest of them, you know, every day he takes off to golf. Like, I always bring them to life. And I said, look, when you go to bed, that whole garage wakes up and they talk to each other. And they're all scarred clubs from abuse. And the pressure is on the current bag that's in his golf cart. And look, the seven iron is the seven iron. He's sleeping perfect, right? The night before his golf. But like the driver and the putter, those guys have a history of being replaced quickly. And so, he's hard on his clubs. He's hard on, you know, I've seen, you see a number of clubs broken. He's a good player though. He's really good. That's right. And Whitney had been the club champion, I think the early years I was there for three years. And then young Matt Kutcher's, Matt Kutcher's son, I think at age 16, won the club championship. And it's a special place though. You know, it's, it's, it's, the course is great. And, and we'll see throughout the year. I mean, you played even while you were playing, I think on tour, you've been up there playing in the member guest last year, a bunch of those guys playing on tour would come up for, you know, a weekend. And I think it's a course they like playing as well. But the hockey guys are, they're pretty tough. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[49:47] They're lunatics.

Speaker 1:
[49:48] By the way, Ray Whitney on his cart, it says club champ after he wins, then he loses. And immediately, they change to former champ.

Speaker 2:
[49:55] Former.

Speaker 1:
[49:55] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[49:55] Good.

Speaker 2:
[49:56] As it should.

Speaker 1:
[49:56] Well, you better skin up there.

Speaker 3:
[49:59] You need to put years after that. Once club champion is assumed, and then as soon as there's another, it was former, someone put tape on it. And then I think he started to put in the same sticker that he were the years. But young Cooch is a good player there. He's, I think, certainly the best player up there. I'm gonna say he's 18. I think he's going to Georgia Tech, isn't he? TCU.

Speaker 2:
[50:23] Going to TCU. Sleazer School. Gonna be a frog. You have kids at TCU? Yeah, exactly. You're a horned frog.

Speaker 3:
[50:30] Hey, guys. Connor graduated from TCU and got close to that program. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[50:36] Beautiful. Good school. Second best one in the Metroplex.

Speaker 2:
[50:39] What's your, shit. What's your game with Elway? You and Elway play. What's the strokes and how does it shake out?

Speaker 3:
[50:45] No, John's sneaky good. Yeah. Yeah. I see that. You keep waiting for the wheels to fall off with his age and they don't come close. When I got hired here in 2023, our owner, new to the Broncos, Greg Penner and his wife bought the team. Greg had asked me, hey, how's your relationship with John Elway? I said, well, I'm down about like $2,100 to him right now over three years, I'm a golf. I know he and Payton very well. But John is one of those players, one of those guys that early on had a place, not literally on Gazza property, but right across the lake. He in the mornings will get in his boat, pull it in. He'll get in this old pickup truck drive up. I could tell you what he's going to have two eggs over easy, some toast, bacon, you know everyone's order. What he'll play of the seven days a week, he'll play four and his game is still real salty. He's straight off the tee and still scores. So I would bet I'm going to say I'm getting 10 to 12 shots. The birdie bet is my little nemesis, that there could be good days. So we'll get birdie odds. If I make one, let's say it's with Maro, it's probably seven to one. If he makes one, it's 100. If I make one, it's 700.

Speaker 1:
[52:18] Yeah, that's tough if you make one on him.

Speaker 3:
[52:21] Well, one is going to put me probably even and in the plus. Two or three, it's going to be a windfall. But they're on a text chain and so everyone wants to know what I scored on two, four. There's like three holes and if I can't, if I don't, like in the back of my mind, I now know heading into the back nine, man, I got to make it changes. But when you get an early one, like good. So I think over the years, I know I'm in the hole with that bet. It's a little bit of a sucker's bet. But you always remember the days you made it like an eagle and two birdies. But that's another side wager that varies. So it depends on who it is that's taken the bet. I like that.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 1:
[54:30] I know you got to get out here pretty quickly because it's draft week. So we're going to do a couple E9s here real quick. We mentioned you caddying for Ryan Palmer. Okay, how many yardage books should a real caddy carry during a tournament?

Speaker 3:
[54:45] Well, here's my question for the tour. All right. So let's explain what a yardage book is for everyone. Because everyone really know it's a yardage book and then you've got the green locations. And of course, you're going to get four print pen placements in a tournament, right? So yeah, we've got the yardage book, but I got this green and if I want to use a Sharpie, I have an issue, right? Because I'm like a presser. So the first time I'm using the yardage book on Thursday at Greenbrier, I noticed that it bleeds through to the next page. And I'm like, well, this isn't a big deal. So I get four of them. I mean, it's a yardage book, right?

Speaker 1:
[55:29] That's four.

Speaker 3:
[55:31] Yeah, I went through five and I had one for each day. And then I don't know who it was. All of a sudden, it was like, man, I broke the golden rule of yardage books, but I don't want to see like yesterday's pin. I just want to see today's pin.

Speaker 1:
[55:46] Okay. You should focus on what? You could have just used a pencil, maybe erased it, but whatever.

Speaker 3:
[55:51] I think that would be plan B, would be a pencil, erase, but that wouldn't be as easy as just grabbing three more. And anyway, that was really the first time where you were looking at like onto the green, left or right, you know, that kind of thing, and really studying it from, you know, where the sprinkler head is, walking it off. And that was kind of a cool process to go through.

Speaker 1:
[56:13] Those volunteers are probably like, damn, this guy loses his yardage book every day.

Speaker 2:
[56:16] That's reasonable. The man is a genius. OK, everybody's got different methodologies.

Speaker 1:
[56:20] I love it.

Speaker 3:
[56:22] The guys that were really the the NBPs for me that week were the other caddies that I played with that helped me out Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And I remember those guys were fantastic. Like, you know, you're raking a bunker on a hole and they're just telling you, hey, we'll handle Ryan up here. So that part of it, you learn very quick. And I remember getting home and getting all their shoe sizes and like, all right, I'm going to send out Jordans to all these caddies that were really the ones that helped me out, you know, and all of those guys were fantastic. You know, just behind the scenes helping you just so because you're really, there's so many little things that you don't want to learn at a tour event. You're better off learning somewhere else. And they kept me from, you know, they kept me from doing something silly.

Speaker 1:
[57:16] People helping people.

Speaker 2:
[57:17] Those books are complicated if you're not used to looking at them. But goddamn, I mean, Jordans for the other caddies, PJs home for your player. You're going to be a lot of people reaching out to you. But you're busy with the Broncos, so don't take them up on it.

Speaker 3:
[57:28] Those guys were great. And that, you know, there's that old saying, you play around the golf with someone, you know, whether it was Sean Stefani, Billy Horschel, those were Saturday, Sunday tee times. Ben Curtis or Tom Watson, like, you walk a course with someone like that for two days, you know, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2:
[57:49] No question about it. All right, I'm going to ask you one here, Coach. This is what we call asking for a friend. Sometimes friends of ours, friends of yours, submit questions and we ask it on their behalf, okay? So I promised this man that I would ask him, but this comes from a big fan of yours, Mr. Brandon Stokely asks the following, Coach, am I your favorite Denver media member and why are you ducking me on the golf course?

Speaker 3:
[58:11] All right. You got to know that Stoke is from Louisiana. I believe University of Louisiana, Lafayette.

Speaker 2:
[58:19] Yes, sir.

Speaker 3:
[58:21] I had the early in my career with the New York Giants as an offensive coordinator, we played the Baltimore Ravens and the first touchdown in that game was Trent Dilfer to Brandon Stokely on 22 paint all go. He caught a scene, a Cover 3 scene beater. Look, one of his great strengths was playing in the slot, but he had enough juice to get vertical. That was early in his career, he played forever. He is absolutely, he and Mark Loretta have a radio show in the morning, and I occasionally will tune in, but those guys are pretty good, and I am ducking in. I've heard he's a good player.

Speaker 2:
[59:09] He's lying out his ass.

Speaker 3:
[59:10] He's terrible at getting his way. All right. So I know this, he loves his horses, because if you're from Lafayette, Louisiana, it's like the home or the birthplace of all jockeys. But it's amazing how long he played really in his career as a slot receiver with good hands, smart, tough, but no one would know that he caught that first touchdown in the Super Bowl, Raven's Giants, and that was the 2000 Super Bowl down at Raymond James Stadium. And that wasn't a good night for the Giants. We lost, shoot 40 something to 7, I think.

Speaker 1:
[59:49] Our producer knows it very well. Our producer Mark, a big Giants fan.

Speaker 2:
[59:53] No question. I'm going to tell him you want him in golf. I'm not going to tell him that he's your favorite media member.

Speaker 3:
[59:57] No, I think Mark would have a little edge because I probably had a longer relationship. Mark does the production for Fox. So in the NFC, I'm going to say Mark's probably covered 20 games of ours over the period of 15 years before I came here. I've known Mark a long time. They do a great job. They're both smart. They get going in the mornings. I think they do a great job of keeping the fans engaged because they're two former players that I think have a good pulse on this team. Last year, I remember going over to their tent. There's a radio tent and they're like live from training camp. They had a break and I said, come on, let's walk. Mark came with me and Brandon was like, I'm like, you can walk here. Let's go though. We weren't even started practice yet. I'm always anxious to hear what the alumni think or how the team looks, or someone maybe from an eye that knows it a little bit. But both of those guys have found a good niche here.

Speaker 1:
[61:04] Absolutely. Stay in the NFL real quick. I got to ask you, your favorite Jeremy Shockey story.

Speaker 3:
[61:11] All right. So I was in New York when we drafted Jeremy, I think in 2000, maybe 2001. That Miami team, if you've ever seen the team picture, there were like 17 NFL players on that team. I would say probably like six Hall of Fame. It was an unreal team roster-wise. And those guys, there's a little swagger about those guys. And I think Jimmy Johnson's written a book about it, but you knew when you got a Miami player then, you were getting someone who's ultra competitive. And so years later, he's still with New York. I am now leaving Dallas and going to the Saints. And I'm going to say in 2007 or eight, we're going to make a trade for Jeremy right like now. And we don't get the trade done on draft weekend. We get it done. It'd be like we're anticipating a trade right now. And it was done like next Wednesday. And now when you get Jeremy, you're getting all of him. You know, he's an unbelievable athlete, but like he was going to be, you know, three, four a.m. occasionally. And, you know, he just he just had a way about him. You know, everything he did was 100 miles an hour. And so the year is I'm going to say the year's 2007. We're going to Carolina and then from Carolina, we're going to London. And, you know, so we're going to we're going to play the Panthers in the division. And then like we do now, we would go back to the hotel and then have a meal and then fly to London and spend the week there. And unbeknownst to me, now Breeze is a advocate rep, you know, big advocate product guy. And you got to know Drew is extremely regimented. Like, you know, two hours before the game, he's going to put the one pack of the spark in a 12 ounce bottle of water, shake it up. He's going to have the spark. I mean, every day, two hours before competition. And when you're on the road, who you lock or next to can vary than when you're at home. So this is this is a time where shock is like one or two down from Breeze at Carolina. And Jeremy looks at him, he's like, you know, what are you putting in the water? And Drew kind of explains to him what it is. And now I'm going to preface this, the last guy that needs a spark is shock. All right. And so Drew gives him a few packets like, you know, in other words here, and Jeremy is never going to take one of anything you give him. So I think I find out from Chase Daniels that Shocky took three sparks. And...

Speaker 1:
[64:07] That would get along good.

Speaker 3:
[64:08] Now I don't know this, but I know he's acting a little different pregame. And so in the opening 10 plays, I think play number eight was a tight end screen. And look, historically speaking, that play is usually a 15 to 20-yard gain or it's no gain. Like it's usually a really good play or it's awful. And this was a case where it was awful. And Jeremy was hard to tackle. Like, and so he had caught this screen and turned up and got hit and got hit. And kind of like when you were little, that big guy that just wouldn't go... Every Carolina defender hit Shocky on that play. And he finally goes down like after six seconds and a loss of a yard and he's right at midfield. He looks at me and I'm like eight yards from him. He goes, that play sucks. And he threw the ball down. And I'm looking like, what just happened to my guy? And I could tell something's up and the QBs aren't saying anything. And then I get wind and I'm like, now I'm mad at Drew. And so we lost that game and we're flying to London and of course the players have the next day off and Jeremy is trying to collect the passports for all the players so the team can go to Amsterdam. And I'm like, Jeremy, I need to meet with you. And I'm pissed off we lost. Drew gave Shockey three sparks and now we're gonna have an emergency team meeting on their day off Tuesday morning. Probably can't do it, but we did. And fortunately, we won the next game. But he was one of those special guys that I would say still to this day, I'm drawn to because we were together in New York. We were together, he caught a touchdown in our Super Bowl win. I think his mom might have been the first or second person. After that immediate aftermath, when it's madness, I remember hugging his mother. You know, and yeah, he was something.

Speaker 1:
[66:13] I want you to do three sparks.

Speaker 2:
[66:15] Happy to. And I want to go to Amsterdam too. Team Draft Amsterdam. That's incredible.

Speaker 1:
[66:21] You want to ask one more?

Speaker 2:
[66:22] I kind of want to know where you draft, what grade would you give Greller after seeing a draft grade? Is he a 4-2 after seeing him run a hundo with a helmet?

Speaker 3:
[66:33] I'm going to grade Greller relative to the projected athleticism of other caddies on tour. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[66:42] Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 3:
[66:43] I saw, look, number one, we would say he completed the drill. That's a plus. You know, because some of these guys today aren't running the 40 or they're not having the, you know, they're just, you know, the guys at the early part of the draft sometimes. So I'd give them a plus for that. You know, watching so many of these caddies on tour or former players, but I feel like even in this full swing, I'm seeing a lot of old Euros, old European guys, you know, I'm going to say Greller's a 3-2. I think he's a second day or third round pick that might, I don't think he sneaks up into the second, but I think, yeah, he's going to be a solid pick and he's going to make the roster. That's the pick I would give him. Now, that was then.

Speaker 1:
[67:31] Yeah, Spieth's worn on him a little too much now.

Speaker 2:
[67:33] He's had a lot of miles chasing those T-balls around, Coach.

Speaker 3:
[67:37] I think so. And then I think you got to also look at the attrition, you know, who's scarred from their player more. So I think, I think Greller's one of those, I think Jordan gets after him, you know, I like some guys are real, you know, I think, I think you got to look at the grit too and give that nod to him, but he's earned it.

Speaker 2:
[67:58] That's a good breakdown. Yeah, I like that breakdown.

Speaker 3:
[68:00] All right.

Speaker 1:
[68:01] Last one for me. OK, I actually don't know the answer to this, but I need to know, is your lowest ever round of golf higher or lower than the number of your NFL passing yards? Ah, do you know how many NFL passing yards you have?

Speaker 3:
[68:17] Right. So I think I have 30 something.

Speaker 1:
[68:20] Oh, Wikipedia said 79.

Speaker 3:
[68:22] Huh?

Speaker 1:
[68:23] Wikipedia said you threw for 79 yards in your NFL career.

Speaker 3:
[68:26] Are you ready? It's even. That was my best score. That was Gazer three years ago with a chip-in on 16. Par five, chip-in for birdie. But everyone, you know, when someone in your group is like, all right, so I'm going to say probably at that time, I was playing to an 11 or 12. But when someone's having one of these rounds that are south of that, which doesn't happen a lot, everyone's kind of aware. Like you start like using your fingers. There's nothing worse than when you start looking at the pars ahead and then doing the math and saying, if I stay right where I'm at, even par, I'm going to be 78. I probably took a bogey on 18, but 79, that's unreal, 79 and 79.

Speaker 1:
[69:16] Yeah, that's amazing. All right, I need you to beat that this year.

Speaker 3:
[69:19] There can only be one person in the world that has the same amount of passing yards as their low score in golf. No one else can say 79. You follow me?

Speaker 2:
[69:30] Yeah, I don't know who else got that.

Speaker 1:
[69:31] Yeah, and by the way, no one's going to be able to ever prove that. You're the one and only.

Speaker 3:
[69:34] Good point.

Speaker 2:
[69:34] It's like shooting your age. You just shoot your stats.

Speaker 3:
[69:38] I know, listen, I know who was in the group and it was the tee ball that just stayed in play right or in the fairway. No left misses. I like it.

Speaker 1:
[69:50] Good morning.

Speaker 2:
[69:51] That's all. Coach Payton gave us time. You're the best.

Speaker 1:
[69:54] You're the man. Appreciate you. Best of luck this season. You're my second favorite team. You know that. You know I'm a diehard cowboy, but we appreciate you and best of luck this season.

Speaker 3:
[70:02] Thanks. Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1:
[70:06] All right. That was your head ball coach.

Speaker 2:
[70:07] God damn right it was.

Speaker 1:
[70:09] Sean Payton, the man can go. Love him.

Speaker 2:
[70:11] Love him even more now. By the way, did you just even do that during draft week with all the stuff that's going on? Just take an hour out of your day to go do that? That's just, that's our guy. That's our leader right there.

Speaker 1:
[70:21] Tell you what, obviously he's the Denver Bronco coach now, but when he was with the Saints, I remember going down there, we'd always go to dinner during the Zerk Classic. And I remember we go to the, I can't remember the name of the restaurant, we go one night and he's got us this awesome table in the back, Dallas Stars are playing playoff game, so we got a big TV right in front of us. And they were, the restaurant was known for something, like, but it was only on certain occasions. And he's like, can we get some of the, whatever. And they're like, coach, sorry, we don't have it. He's like, man, I would really like to treat my friends to some of this. Five minutes later, guess what showed up?

Speaker 2:
[70:53] You know what? Right there. You know what?

Speaker 1:
[70:54] You're coach Payton, you want a Super Bowl here? We're gonna make that happen for you.

Speaker 2:
[70:57] It just happened. I like it when I just throw like the bullshit, hey, how would you grade Greller? Yeah, he just launched into the whole thing, just full breakdown, three, two, he's a 53 man roster guy. All that stuff, man. And he's a champ. Also, I mean, to find a guy home private when you're caddy for him, I know it's nothing for him, but like, and the Jordans for the caddies is just like, he's just a good dude, man. That's why all the players love him.

Speaker 1:
[71:17] He is one of the most generous people I've ever been around. He is awesome. There's actually a great story. He was getting paid to do a speaking engagement in Atlanta. And it was Ray Whitney's 50th birthday. And Ray had never played Augusta and Coach Payton said, Hey, wipe my fee, get us on Augusta. We'll call it even. And they did it. And so they surprised Ray and took him for his 50th birthday. Dude, that's how good a guy Coach Payton is. That's your head ball coach.

Speaker 2:
[71:41] That's exactly right. By God, I'm with you all the way, coach. All the way.

Speaker 1:
[71:45] You're a bow leaver too.

Speaker 2:
[71:46] I'm a big bow leaver. It used to be not a bow leaver, but I'm full in bow leaver. And also shout out Riley Moss.

Speaker 1:
[71:52] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[71:52] Exciting whites.

Speaker 1:
[71:55] Well, that's going to be fun, man. I can't wait for Draft Night. Zerk Classic is going to be awesome. I'll be heading down there Thursday, but that's going to do it for us. Hope you all enjoy. We'll talk to you on next week's Subpar.