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Speaker 1:
[00:20] And greetings, happy Tuesday. Almost forgot where this place is. I'm Steve Deace, here in our studios. Todd Erson is here, good to see you brother.

Speaker 2:
[00:32] Hello.

Speaker 1:
[00:32] And Aaron McIntyre here as well, but he is under the weather today. So we're giving him one of those playing hurt days, just make sure that the trains run on time, and we're gonna take it as easy on Aaron as we possibly can. Which is good, because we have a jam-packed show today anyway. We are looking forward, we got a couple of conversations we think are gonna be pretty provocative for you today.

Speaker 2:
[00:58] You think?

Speaker 1:
[00:59] A few, all right. Coming up at the bottom of the hour, Dr. Robert Malone, so he was on that advisory committee at CDC.

Speaker 2:
[01:05] Was.

Speaker 1:
[01:06] Was being the operative term. And he has walked away, I think it's called H-Ship, is that what it's called, Todd? Do you remember? Is it H-Ship? Something like that.

Speaker 2:
[01:14] Sounds right.

Speaker 1:
[01:14] All right, but it's something about looking at vaccine safety. It's an advisory panel with CDC. He was appointed to that and ended up resigning. And my man is. He's going through it right now. He is letting people know what he thinks. So we thought we'll take a little bit of that. We've got Dr. Malone on this show here at the bottom of the hour.

Speaker 2:
[01:37] He's like you the last two or three weeks. I'm hurt bad. That's Dr. Malone.

Speaker 1:
[01:41] And so I can't move on unless I get some things off my chest. So we're like, you know what, we're your huckleberries. Bring it here. All right. And then we have a few clips for Fake News or Not that we think are going to produce a good conversation. Have you seen these clips yet that I sent over? Have you looked yet?

Speaker 2:
[01:57] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[01:57] Yeah, there's some doozies here, are there not?

Speaker 2:
[02:00] Yeah. Why not?

Speaker 1:
[02:02] And then the whole story, and I'll explain later, that I have not commented on. I haven't even been around social media enough to see. Have you brought it up at all, the whole thing with the Israeli Defense Force soldier in southern Lebanon during one of their Hezbollah raids, came upon an abandoned Christian worship area, found a depiction of the crucifixion and turned it upside down and took an ax to Christ on the cross?

Speaker 2:
[02:31] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[02:31] Have you commented on this?

Speaker 2:
[02:33] I have not.

Speaker 1:
[02:34] All right. I have chosen not to, and I will explain why, but we're going to be joined by Pesach Wolicki, he's going to join us from Jerusalem Post, Israel 365, because he's adamant that this stuff just can't ever like happen. And the timing for something like this, of course, could not be possibly worse with all the debates and stuff we're having. And I'll explain a little bit later on why I have chosen not to comment on this on social media. And I'll probably give an explanation, I'm guessing that literally everyone will be angry at. It's just my way. We're brought to you by our friends over at Preborn. You guys have been so generous to our friends at Preborn over the last few years, helping to save tens of thousands of babies. You can help us to save tens of thousands more for as little as $28. You could save a baby today. That's all in ultrasound costs that could convict her mama or his mama thinking of murdering that child to not go through with it. And then they don't just leave this new family there. All right, they are there to help them get now started on the right path on the narrow road. They're there to meet material needs like diapers, formula, more intimate needs, like counseling and more. All of that also is at no cost to this new family, but we all know that it does cost. And that's where you and I come in to make that free. Make your tax-deductible donation today to preborn.com/steve. That's preborn.com/steve. All right. So, providentially, I wanted to discuss some things today, so maybe it worked out that we don't have an air montage today, as much as everybody loves those, ourselves included. But I wanted to discuss what I had to say on Friday night in Washington, DC., all right? So, Amy and I were out there for five days. Yeah, we left on Monday. We got there Wednesday night. Did a lot of sightseeing. We were honored to get to read at the opening weekend of America Reads the Bible, and Bunny Pounds over at Christians Engaged, what an incredible event that was that she had put on. It's still going on, by the way. This is the reading goes all the way through next weekend. We're going to have the President of the United States read tomorrow, okay? I mean, this just wasn't an absolutely incredible thing that Bunny put on. I remember her telling me about it about two years ago. Hey, do you think we could pull this off? What do you think of this idea? And I'm like, it's a bold strategy, and the kind of thing that will only happen if the hand of God is on it. And it's very clear the hand of God has been on this event and to how much it has grown. By the way, if you've not been to the Museum of the Bible in Washington, DC, holy Moses, that place is incredible. And you always hear me talk about, as believers, we should try to do things excellently, right? Our Lord spared no expense on our behalf. When we are honoring Him, we should give it our absolute fullest maximum effort since all our talent and potential comes from Him anyway, right? Not to mention, what better way is there to love your neighbors you love yourself than when you are serving your neighbor to give them the absolute best that you can, right? This thing is first class all the way. It is one of the most technologically advanced museums, maybe the most technologically advanced museum I've ever been to. The level of artifact here, research here, if you're a Theo nerd, it's incredible. It has a science center kind of feel as well for kids with the experiences. If you've ever done, Todd, don't hate me, but if you've ever done soaring at Disney World, the flight simulator at Disney World, the soaring flight simulator, they have one of those there. It's called Washington Revelations. I actually thought it was better than the one at Disney World, frankly. And it flies you through Washington, DC to see all the various, or actually you can't see them all, there's so many, but to see as many of the references to the Bible that you can find, like a stained-glassed window at the Library of Congress with St. Paul, and it quotes Micah 6.8, he has shown you, O man, what is good and pleasing, right? To do justice, and something I'm forgetting, and walk right in, walk humbly with your God, I'm forgetting the middle stanza there. But I mean, that was incredible. The Old Testament experience narrated by Ezra, that is like a moving, walking exhibit that takes you through, you can't do, it's about 30 minutes. I mean, the Old Testament, if you did everything, would be about three, about 30 days, okay? All right, so it essentially is Ezra walking you through the Davidic line, all right, from Adam to King David. And as a narrator and the visual effects and everything with that very impressive. The New Testament experience is a powerful, about 25 minute film about Jesus on the road to Emmaus and the folks that he encounters on the road, very powerfully done. I mean, I just was blown away and I and and and every vestige of this is not an explicitly evangelical museum, by the way. I don't know how it could be. I mean, if it was the museum of the Bible, it was explicitly evangelical would date back to Billy Graham because nobody knew what an evangelical was prior to about 1945, OK? So you know, you guys have heard me, you know, go at my fellow Protestants. Hey, who was a Christian between the the apostolic era and the Reformation? We just skipped 1400 years. This museum does not do that. It goes through all the various arguments, differences, distinctions. I mean, I just I can't say enough good things about it. Amy and I decided to have dinner at the restaurant there. That food was also very good. I mean, this is first class. And I almost feel like we have a patriotic duty to keep this thing open and successful because of the amount of effort that was put into it. And the information therein that it contains. I mean, essentially the keys to the kingdom right there in the capital of this kingdom, the United States is right there in the heart of DC. And it is undeniably spectacular. You would, if you are of any of the orthodox branches of Christianity, orthodox, Catholic or Protestant, you are going to be blessed by this experience. It is absolutely incredible. I can't say, Amy and I were just blown away. And remember, we've been doing like this little museum tour the last few years, the Country Music Museum, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, we went to the Museum of Natural History in New York and all these kinds of things. We love museums. The Smithsonian, this is better than all of them. I would have said the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum is the best one I've been to yet. The NFL Museum, by the way, you'll like this, Todd. It's among the worst. Really disappointed me. The Pro Football Museum, stuff they haven't updated there in like 20 years. It's pretty clear. Just kind of mailed it in.

Speaker 2:
[09:31] We've moved on to betting apps and destroying college football, so we have other priorities in the football.

Speaker 1:
[09:35] They really haven't even, a lot of the shrines and relics and canton of stuff that probably has been there since the 2000s. But this, now this, this is how you bring your first fruits to the Lord. This is an ABLE level offering here, not a Kane-like offering. I mean, it is first class, and it's powerful and it's potent. So we got a chance to do that. All right. And then on Friday night, I was asked to speak to an informal gathering of activists, Capitol Hill staffers. They do these once a month. They're called Off the Mic, and they'll bring in an influencer, a thought leader, an organization leader, just to essentially sit down, come now, let us reason together. They don't record these to put them out. You'll never see any of this. I'm permitted to show some of it. They asked me, you know, was I can, I'm like, I can't imagine I'm going to say anything here that I haven't said on the show already or won't, you know? But these things are meant to be where folks can get together and just vent spleens, all right? And be brutally honest and not have to worry about, well, you know, is GOP all the way? 47 got a ratio on me on X. If I talk about how bad our polling is right now, they don't have to do any of that. And it's also a younger crowd, for sure, because you're dealing with, you know, activist staffers on the Hill, which are typically Aaron's age or, you know, maybe a little younger, maybe a little older. And I want to spend some time with you guys here to kick off the show sharing some of the message that I had for this group. And you'll get a taste of this tomorrow in Dallas as well at the TPUSA Pastor Summit. All right, if I'm going to go do all this travel, it is not going to be to pull punches. You know, I came to drop bombs. And so I dropped a few at this event. And I'm a big believer you've heard my friend and colleague Daniel Horowitz quote Wayne Gretzky, maybe the greatest North American athlete, not named Babe Ruth or Michael Jordan or Hank Aaron or Muhammad Ali. His famous saying, the key to his greatness was he skated to where the puck was going, not to where the puck was, right? So I wanted to look ahead a few months into the future, not this moment, not this snapshot in time we're doing right now. But the format is, you give a talk and then take questions, right? And I figured if they wanted to talk about where we are right now, I'd let the questions handle that. I wanted to talk about a few months from now. And I made it very adamant to everyone in this room. And I wanted to speak for all of you. And as respectfully as I could vet all of your frustrations, because chances are most of the people in a room at Jim DeMint's Conservative Partnership Institute are just as frustrated as you are, meaning that they're the version of you working in Washington, DC. You know what I'm saying? They went there to do stuff, okay? Not just be something. They went there to do something, right? And so I don't want to beat on them too hard because most of the people in this room are the ones that are actually trying to do some stuff, right? So I really wanted to stress more. Didn't want to stand up there and say, hey, losers, okay? But I wanted to stress more the gravity of the forthcoming moment. Because if you think, I got a call yesterday from someone you would know, and everyone in this audience would know, asking me to come to an event, a private event, invite only. And he said, frankly, and I've known this individual for years as of you, afterwards I'll tell you who it was. Okay, I don't want to stand there. And he said, honestly, at this point, we're just trying to figure out who hasn't lost their mind. We're trying to come up with a small gathering of people that have not lost their minds in the last couple of years and see if we can get enough of you guys together and try to hold this thing together or rebuild it after whatever phase we're currently going through finishes. And if you're concerned about the Israel stuff, the Jew stuff, if you're concerned, this ties in what I said on Friday night in DC, if you're concerned about that now, I said to this gathering of activists and Congressional staffers. And one of them that came up to me afterwards works for one of our own delegation here in Iowa. I had no idea this person was in the room. I said, here, I'm going to give you a scenario that cannot happen. This can't occur. It just can't occur. It can't, it just can't. And whatever you're thinking right now, whatever you're planning right now, in my humble opinion, it has to be so that the scenario I'm about to articulate for you, which I think is very realistic. I don't think it's prob... Did I say probable?

Speaker 2:
[15:08] No.

Speaker 1:
[15:08] Did I say likely?

Speaker 2:
[15:09] No.

Speaker 1:
[15:10] Did I say impossible?

Speaker 2:
[15:11] No.

Speaker 1:
[15:11] Did I say unlikely?

Speaker 2:
[15:13] No.

Speaker 1:
[15:14] I said realistic, meaning it's on the table and there's something above a non-zero chance that this scenario could take place. And we've discussed it privately here on the show over the last couple of weeks. This was the first time I've said anything about it to anybody other than you guys and a few other people. And now is the first time I'm going to say anything about it, I think publicly on this show. I said what cannot happen, what absolutely cannot occur and what you guys need to be working towards right now. If you're all concerned about how divisive everything is right now, how people are losing their minds, losing their souls, turning on each other, and we've still got another two plus years of the Trump presidency to go here. If you're concerned about this, let me give you an end game that can't happen and then retcon all of your strategies and priorities and tactics from this scenario that is realistic but can't occur because that's where this goes from a moment now to like schisms that will last years. And I said, I love the nation of Israel. And I gave them the analogy I've shared with you guys before. Israel to me is like my favorite cousin growing up. My cousin Ange, who lives in Dallas. Her and I were like brother and sister. We were so close in age. We were like brother and sister growing up. We could not talk for like five or ten years. And you have people, family members like that. You don't talk for like five or ten years. You can just like pick up from right where you left off. The vibe is still the same because the bond is still that strong, right? Let's say Ange calls me up, my favorite cousin from my youth and says, Oh, Michael and I just, we just won the lot. We just won the Texas Powerball. I don't even know if they have Powerball in Texas. We just won the Texas Powerball. But let's say Amy's at home sick and we're not sure what's wrong and she's getting progressively worse. And of course, I'm happy for them, you know? But I've got a concern right here in my own house right now. Angie isn't my wife. She's my cousin. I love her dearly, but she's not where I live. Amy is where I live. Amy is my life partner. We will put one or the other is going to put the other in the grave at some point. And then as time goes on and your wife does not improve, or maybe it seems like the doctors are stymied and stuck and they don't know what to do. And now you're seeing on social media, you know, your cousin who's won the Powerball just paid cash for that house that put yours to shame and just bought that boat that, you know, she'll probably use twice in her life, but it still looks good in a Facebook photo. And what's the old saying about when you buy a boat, the best day is the day you bought it, the second best day is the day you sold it.

Speaker 2:
[18:11] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[18:12] All right. You know, they're doing all this and doing all that, you know, and as time goes by, as they're flourishing, you almost speak, you almost have to fight resenting that family member now, because your situation isn't at home. It isn't being dealt with to your satisfaction. You're tracking with me here?

Speaker 2:
[18:33] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[18:34] So this is the part that I shared with all of you guys already. Let me now tell you the part that I shared with them before I shared it with you, that you guys have heard me say on the show behind the scenes. A very realistic scenario. How realistic? I don't know. I wouldn't say it's unlikely, wouldn't say it's likely, wouldn't say it's improbable, wouldn't say it's probable. That's why I'm using the term realistic. A very realistic scenario is that six months from now, Israel's generational mortal enemy, Iran, is somewhere between mortally wounded, defanged, diminished, humiliated, outright decapitated. The Israeli people are as generationally united in the aftermath of this as they have been maybe since 1967, 1948. They're flourishing. They've got some level of peace with the coalition of Arab states that Trump has assembled at the other end of this alliance. So they still are sleeping with one eye open. These are Jews after all. They've read a Torah, they've read a history book. They sleep with one eye open all the time. And I also visited the National Holocaust Museum, by the way, and holy cow, is that a powerful event. It was interesting seeing some quotes on there on the wall that look a lot like social media posts from people like Candace Owens these days. That was kind of terrifying, but I digress. So you're sleeping with one eye open if you're a Jew in Israel, but you're getting a good night's sleep, right? Sleeping with one eye open, but you're getting a good night's sleep. Things are going well. Meanwhile, over here, we're looking at 50-house seat loss. We're just a couple days away from that election. We're minus 8, minus 9 in all the congressional ballot polling. We haven't adequately turned this economy around. We haven't adequately addressed our domestic concerns. And see, now what happens? If you think it's bad now, I said. See, what's happening right now? Look how bad it is right now. And people like Tucker and Candace, their entire narrative is getting blown up. Everything Tucker predicted from last summer that would happen if we struck Iran's nuclear capabilities, how much of it has come true?

Speaker 2:
[20:56] Little to none. None.

Speaker 1:
[20:57] Zero. Remember that Douglas McGregor hack he loves that was on with Matt Gaetz two days into the war talking about how Iran had destroyed all our bases? Do you remember this?

Speaker 2:
[21:06] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[21:06] Yeah. Not true. So, look how aggressive these people are when their narrative is not being confirmed by real world events. You're hearing more complaints about what Israel is doing in Lebanon from Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and Matt Elk than you are from the House of Saad in Mecca. Something about that seems a little incongruent.

Speaker 2:
[21:37] It's odd.

Speaker 1:
[21:38] It is odd. It's a little odd that there's more criticism of Operation Epic Fury from Tucker, Candace, et al than from El Sisi and Cairo. Little odd. Fair?

Speaker 2:
[21:49] Fair. Fair. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[21:50] These people are all Jew lovers, well known, well documented.

Speaker 2:
[21:52] Oh, yes.

Speaker 1:
[21:53] Yes. Yes.

Speaker 2:
[21:54] It's hallmark cards all the time.

Speaker 1:
[21:55] Indeed. Yeah. So, if they're this aggressive when their narrative is falling apart, what do you think it'll be like when their narrative is confirmed? What do you think it'll be like when they can say, see, we told you, we spent all this political capital on this war in Iran, and now look what happened. We're getting decimated in these midterm elections. Democrats are taking over in your home state of Iowa, for example, which was supposedly one of the reddest states in the Union. Because we were right all along, we took all our attention off of this. You guys just thought we hated Jews. We tried to warn you. Now, of course, we all know most of their arguments are really just about Jews and not even about the merits of what I'm saying right now. But these are, you know, grifters. These are demoniacs. So they're going to shift sands and gaslight you that they were saying things the entire time. I mean, when was the last time Tucker Carlson did a show on a domestic issue of importance? Do you even know? No. Neither does he. Okay. Doesn't matter. We're in the world of politics where perception is often reality. Will this not be the perception in the scenario that I just laid out?

Speaker 2:
[23:04] I think they're going to make sure it is. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[23:07] And when I said to the people in this room, these activists in DC, the staffers of these members of Congress whose responsibility it is to move the agenda that we all voted for in November of 2024, I said, you cannot let that happen.

Speaker 2:
[23:19] You can't.

Speaker 1:
[23:23] If you let that happen, we're not just looking at a bad midterm after a presidential election or maybe we can say, hey, this is what history looks like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You're looking at something now generational or multi-cycle, like Bush's collapse over Iraq was in 06 and it spilled over into the 08 election as well. And that's how we got Obama. You cannot allow that to happen. And you guys need to be ready. When this is over, we have to show the American people, we are every bit as aggressive in defending our homelands than we are partnering alongside Israel in defense of theirs and the rest of the Middle East, because there's a broad coalition of Arab countries that are in on this and want Iran gone too. It's not just an Israel thing by a long shot. It doesn't matter. Name the foreign country, Lithuania. I don't care. We have to show that we are willing to expend the capital resources and energy and focus necessary for our concerns here at home that we have spent now the first quarter of the year of our Lord 2026 on concerns overseas. I don't care where you are on the Israel debate. There's been more energy expended on that the last six weeks than anything on our side domestically in the last six months. We can't survive like that. And I wanted to stress to the group in this room, you guys have to go back to the heads of the organizations you work for, the members of Congress whose offices you work in and say, you need to be ready. What is the agenda? The day that we say this is over, Apparition Epic Fury is finished. Are we ready to go? Are we ready to pivot the next day? Because it's pretty clear right now, it's funny, people are just getting record tax refunds in their pockets. I got one. I got the biggest tax refund I've ever gotten in my life this year. But nobody's talking about that. Why? Because the events in Iran are just soaking up all the oxygen in the room. That's what war does. So there's no point casting pearls on the swine and fighting for a bunch of domestic stuff right now that won't gain you a headline above the seventh tweet of somebody's feed that matters, right? But the day this is done, be ready. Skate to where the puck is going, not to where it's at. Be in position to be in position for that moment, whether it's tomorrow, whether it's two months from now, whenever it is, be ready. Because if we're not, we're not only gonna have the midterm we all fear, but this is going to spill over into the next cycle as well. Because now you've confirmed the narratives of the nihilists and you can't do that. And that's, Todd, the message that I tried to stress on Friday night.

Speaker 2:
[26:19] Well, like you said, it is a message I'm familiar with. If I may follow up with the question, you were in a room there then talking candidly with a lot of people who have their ear to the ground directly in that town. What counter or alternative narrative or evidence brought to bear on your assertions? Did you hear anything that gave you even greater pause? Did you hear any words of encouragement that Trump was a guy ready to put this thing to bed soon? Because that's where all these people that on a good day or a bad day, my point is Trump has always been quixotic. Do they have a sense of optimism, doom or gloom? Because being in that city, you get a confirmation one way or the other, don't you?

Speaker 1:
[27:22] What I can tell you is at the end, because that was the end of my statement and I took questions, there was a lot of applause for that. Because again, the people that are coming to this event are the ones who are the versions of us in that town, or at least the closest you can probably get in that town to people like us. That's why they're hanging out at Jim DeMinsk restaurant bar. They built there inside their office spaces. So I think now this next part of the... So that's the part I can say, and there was a long line of people waiting to talk to me after it was over. Okay. So very encouraged and in agreement with what I was saying. That part I can say as a testimony to what I felt in the room. The next part of the answer I'll give you is conjecture. I think that the president, like, listen, all men live in a fight or flight mentality. All right? All men, the minute they start to feel like a cause is lost, will give up on it. It won't be instantaneous sometimes, but it'll be like a slow beginning of acceptance, a slow beginning of retreat until you're finally just out. Right? And I think it is incumbent. I just have a hard time believing after watching the president for how many years. He's been very hesitant to use a lot of this political capital on really, really getting on Republicans and Congress from the right. Right? We just haven't seen it very often. So I think it's way more likely that he'll be inclined to fully participate in what we're talking about. If Congress gets its act together and meets him at least halfway in shows, you don't have to do all of it. We're going to need you to do some push in here as the president. But we're ready to be pushed if you'll push. You see what I'm trying to say? If it looks like he has to do it all, one of the reasons I think Trump loves the foreign policy arena is he can just do it all and essentially do whatever he wants. And I think this arena domestically is not like that. And I think he gets frustrated and distracted easily. I do. Which is why I think the Republican Congress is going to have to maybe at least not halfway, but some of the way, some of the way, you know, show that they're willing to do some of this.

Speaker 2:
[29:38] An answer to my question that ends with we are relying on Congress, yikes.

Speaker 1:
[29:44] I don't disagree, man. But I gave him the message anyway, so that's all righteousness was fulfilled. All right, more in a moment.

Speaker 3:
[29:57] The Steve Deace Show.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 3:
[32:09] Hi Steve, I'm doing okay. These are certainly interesting times we're living through right now. This seems to be an accelerating change. You mentioned you're just back from DC, as I recall. And I'm glad to hear that you're hooked up with Molly. She's an old friend.

Speaker 1:
[32:24] Well, that's good. That's a good character witness on both ends for sure. All right, so you were part of a key advisory panel appointed there at CDC to take a look at vaccine safety, as I recall. You just announced in the last few weeks that you had resigned from that position. I'm sure a lot of our audience is aware of this story, but for the few that are not, can you just walk us through why you made that decision and let's start from there?

Speaker 3:
[32:47] So you've got the details a little bit wrong there. What happened was the American Academy of Pediatrics lawsuit that was reviewed and for which a preliminary injunction was issued by a rogue judge in Boston area, shut down the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices where I had been serving as vice chairperson. And he not only shut down the ACIP, but this is the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, which is a advisory committee. Like it says in the name, it doesn't set policy, it advises the director of the CDC about vaccine policy recommendations. So the judge in response to this American Academy of Pediatrics lawsuit found that the process, this is the new standard in the face of the Supreme Court slapping down these activist judges so that they're no longer able to circumvent or counter act to stop various executive orders. What they're doing is they're making the case that process or protocol was not followed in making a certain executive branch decisions, and therefore those decisions are null and void. So this is the new way to work around for the Supreme Court decision. And this is the pathway that this particular judge took, which was that he asserted that number one, the American Academy of Pediatrics had standing in this case. Let's examine that for just a moment. The thesis is that the American Academy of Pediatrics, which represents a fraction of American pediatricians, had standing to bring a lawsuit against Secretary Kennedy and HHS over this issue of vaccine policy recommendations from the federal government, because the recommendations were going to cost its pediatrician members money, because they were now going to have to spend more time obtaining informed consent and documenting it from their patients. So that's the basis for the AAP having standing in this case, is that pediatricians are gonna have to spend a little bit more time actually explaining the benefits and risks of vaccines and getting informed consent from parents to go ahead and vaccinate their children.

Speaker 1:
[35:24] Pardon me real quick, doesn't that just imply therefore they previously were not doing that? Since they had to do that now.

Speaker 3:
[35:29] And they're not apologetic about that. There's apparently, there's despite the decades of concurrence about the importance of informed consent, all of that is irrelevant in the case of a pandemic or in the case of vaccines in general. Apparently, there's an exclusion for bioethics for vaccines. But, so, basis, based on that, it went forward under this activist judge who's been slapped down by the Supreme Court multiple times. And he contrived a argument by pulling together fragments of sentences that it was congressional intent that the federal government could not make any changes in vaccine policy recommendations. Remember, the states are the ones responsible for setting medical policy, including vaccine policy, not the federal government. The federal government can only recommend. But those recommendations, according to this judge, require input from the Advisory Committee on Immunization practices, this FACA committee. And so the executive branch, according to this judge, is not free to make changes to the vaccine policy recommendations without ACIP input. But furthermore, the federal government failed to follow established norms for empaneling the new ACIP. And so therefore, all the members, their membership are stayed on the thesis that none of them are qualified to serve on the Advisory Committee on Immunization practices and that proper process was not followed. So now, Bobby and the government faced this problem, and they haven't resolved it yet, frankly. They don't quite know what to do. Of somehow, this judge in Boston is able to tell the president that he is not allowed to make changes to the recommended vaccine schedule. These are the changes that went down in January, beginning of January. And furthermore, any of the recommendations, such as the Hepatitis B birthdose recommendation when I was chairing the committee, those are all null and void, or state at least, until there's a new ACIP, but it's not clear how a new ACIP can be impaneled and everything is locked up, which Steve frankly serves the interests of the West Wing right now, because they've made a decision that based on a poll that was funded by a secret source, some speculate Pfizer, very biased poll, basically that all this controversy about vaccine policy is going to hurt the prospects in the midterms for the Republican Party, and therefore, Bobby has to shut up, and all of this needs to stop, and there should not be another ACIP meeting until after the midterms. So it's all very convenient for the administration, which may explain why, that's certainly one hypothesis for why the administration is not appealing this finding, even though it has a serious impact in potentially setting precedent concerning executive power as it relates to health policy and vaccine policy specifically. So that's the situation. So the panel ACIP has been functionally dissolved. It's all been told to stand down. And my position was, I'm sick and tired of being used like this. We put, as a committee, we put thousands of hours of volunteer labor into these various policies. And the Justice Department, or was it the HHS, didn't even bother to file a rigorous brief in opposition to the AAP lawsuit, which is why it's been able to go forward like this, is because basically they totally whiffed it and didn't push back against the standing for the AAP, didn't push back against the thesis that none of us impaled or qualified, and didn't push back against these contrived arguments for why the executive branch is not able to make any changes to vaccine policy without input from this advisory board.

Speaker 1:
[40:13] I'm surprised to hear that they have polling that claims this, because it was just a couple months ago on our show. A friend of mine is Brent Buchanan from Signal Polling, and he was one of the White House's pollsters in the 2024 Trump campaign, and what he actually found is about the most popular issue slate domestically that Republicans have right now is the Maha stuff. It penetrates into normie voters, it goes across party lines. It's emblematic what we saw during COVID, where you saw people traditionally right and left, but are people that don't like being BSed and having their chain janked, kind of coming together for the first time in this coalition to push back on the scandemic narrative. And his polling found just a few months ago, in fact, that carried over right now into this midterm cycle. So I've not seen any polling at all, public polling that shows that this is unpopular whatsoever. None.

Speaker 3:
[41:04] Yes. So all the public polls run contrary to this one that is basically the groundwork that has justified the position of Susie Wiles and Heidi Overton, that this whole discussion about vaccine policy has to stop. Secretary Kennedy has to stop talking about vaccines. You'll remember he went on Rogan recently, and the word vaccine never came out of his lips. And Bobby has been told to pivot to just focusing on issues like nutrition. So that's that where this is coming from is explicitly these, you know, fricking frack that the Susie Wiles and her mini me, Heidi Overton, who Heidi is an MD, MPH from Johns Hopkins, who was a postdoc of Marty McCarty. So, Marty McCarty is Commissioner of the FDA, is the one that has shut down any discussion or reveals about vaccine harms associated with the mRNA products, and blocked the implementation of a black box warning, blocked the release of the information about the pediatric deaths, and is blocking any further information about vaccine harms. So, that's where we're at, and we're heading in. I know, Steve, you were looking for what does this all mean about Maha, and how this moves forward. It has really shook up the entire HHS structure, which has now been reorganized recently yet again. I'm speaking very bluntly here because you asked me to do so, and I'm no longer constrained by being a unpaid special government employee to the federal government at this point. And so I'm a little more free to speak and write about what I know and what I've observed. I'm not interested in doing a kiss and tell, you know, disclosure of all the things that have happened, but we are in a situation in which the secretary is increasingly a figurehead, and it's not clear how long he will be as secretary. The rumors are rampant, rampant, widespread that is it after the midterm or is it even potentially before the midterm that there is a further reorganization. Chris Klomp, who is Dr. Oz's right-hand person within CMS, is now functionally running HHS. And Bobby has largely been sidelined. And this rampant rumor is that in, whether it's right after the midterms or around then, and this is just rumor. Many people deny it, that are within the administration, that I've asked directly, but it is a rampant right now, that Oz will become the new secretary. Jay Bhattacharya will move over to become commissioner of FDA. McCary will be out. I'm not so confident about that one, because McCary has the backing of Heidi and Susie. And that, of course, Erica Schwartz, the new appointee for...

Speaker 1:
[44:47] Yeah, I've got about one minute. Dr. Malone, tell me about her, if you can, in the final minute and a half. Erica Schwartz, the new appointee.

Speaker 3:
[44:54] So Erica is a military. As I recall, she's got U Maryland as part of her educational background. But she was a strong advocate for a variety of different vaccine mandates, including flu and COVID. In the US military. So she is very much an advocate for this kind of mandate-based vaccine policy. Has been in the past. I think what she will serve as is a good soldier. I think she'll do what the West Wing wants her to do. But I suspect that that is going to lead back to more like the status quo of the CDC has historically been, rather than the major changes that the secretary has been trying to advocate for.

Speaker 1:
[45:49] It's good to see you brother. I wish you had better news to share with us, but I do appreciate your honesty, man. Thank you very much. It's good to see you.

Speaker 3:
[45:55] Good to see you, Steve.

Speaker 1:
[45:56] All right, take care. Todd, what do you think?

Speaker 2:
[46:00] Ah, the magical power of vaccines. You partner that with what you just said, Steve, in the top of the show. Man, we are, instead of one year of COVID in the first term, we are going down a path where we are going to have like two and a half years of COVID like leadership. Remember the feeling we had when we read Scott Atlas' book? Yeah. We stopped in the middle. That's the direction we appear to be going again.

Speaker 1:
[46:25] So listen, the difference between what we're trying to do here and Black Pillain is we're trying to win. All right, we want to win. We have to win. And I'm just telling you, we're not going to win if it looks like we're fighting harder alongside Israel than it is alongside our own countrymen here at home. And then we take the base of people that put us over the top so we could win the popular vote in the last election and cast them aside. That's just... I don't know what data anybody else is looking at. I don't think we can... I don't think there's... I don't know which voters in our existing coalition we can afford to abuse, kick to the curb, ground, to betray. I kind of... all the data I'm looking at, private and public, I get to see a lot. We need all of... we need max level tilt turnout of our base right now.

Speaker 2:
[47:19] Yeah, all those Rogan bros, America first and no poison jabs, and we're going to throw them away on these two issues?

Speaker 1:
[47:31] We just can't. And you know what? When you scheduled Dr. Malone, you had no idea what I was going to say at the top of the hour today. These two things 100% go together. They do. It's simple, but it's not easy. Do this stuff we were elected to do and reward the people that voted us into office to do it. That's my humble proposition today. All right, back here at Hour Two, live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast. Aaron's taken a working day off. He's under the weather, so we're letting him do the bare minimum so that we can bring you a full live show here today. So we thank him for fighting through some adversity today on behalf of all of you. But Todd Ers and I doing our very best, probably unsuccessfully to pick up the slack for his lack of presence on the show here today. You can let us know what you think about what we think via the stevedace.com inbox by emailing the show stevedace.com. That's D-E-A-C-E. Like us on Facebook, MeWe and Gab. You can follow me at Steve Deace Show on X, Instagram and TikTok. Don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel at Deace Show on YouTube. That's at Deace Show on YouTube. And then finally, if you wouldn't mind, if you're a podcast subscriber, you should be. Thank you. If you're not, you should join them. Click subscribe or if you're on Apple iTunes, hit follow. And that's how you're going to know for sure that every time a new episode gets dropped, it's right there in your podcast feed. Tens of thousands of you have left us five-star reviews. Thank you for each and every one of those. And thank you in advance if you want to add yours today too. Thanks to an old friend, Michael Youssef, who's been on the show many times over the years, his latest book, An Unholy Alliance looks at the fusion of the so-called red green revolution here, the progressivism and islamism merged together. Dr. Youssef grew up in the Middle East, knows the region well, has a PhD in Cultural Anthropology, uses that to trace the 1400 year history of Jihad and what it looks like. And how do we get these two ideologies? How can you be a queer for Palestine when you can't be a queer in Palestine? He's going to explain how the Hegelian dialectic is manifested here. All right. Get this book, get your copy today at Amazon or wherever books are sold. All right. The and Unholy Alliance is what it's called by Dr. Michael Youssef again, and Unholy Alliance. All right, Mr. Erson, are you ready for some Fake News or Not?

Speaker 2:
[50:24] I think so.

Speaker 1:
[50:25] All right. I've put together three clips that I think all should lead to a somewhat interesting response and discussion. All right. The look on your face.

Speaker 2:
[50:37] I just, after the last hour, I mean, we got some challenges ahead of us to try to raise this bar.

Speaker 1:
[50:47] I mean, listen, that was not going to lie. Dr. Malone came in here like a cardiologist and said, listen, man, if you don't cut out the three packs a day and fatty foods, we're not having another appointment here in six months. That's essentially what he said, right? Yeah, that's kind of what he said, you know? And so how we choose to respond to it, you know, that's up to us. That's not his job was, you know, one of the things we voted for in this last election was for people like him to be put in the positions that he was put into, right? So don't get mad at him when he comes back and he tells us what he really saw and what's really gone on there. You know, now it's up to us and the people we voted for and we elect that rely on us and our support. Now it's up to us to do something about it.

Speaker 2:
[51:32] Get busy living or get busy dying.

Speaker 1:
[51:33] Let's get into that. All right, this very first clip that we're going to get to, all right? Watch, I just used this term, the Hegelian dialectic. You're going to see it manifested again right here.

Speaker 4:
[51:48] Our country is under a hostile occupation.

Speaker 5:
[51:51] Israeli occupation of the United States government.

Speaker 4:
[51:54] Israel controls our government.

Speaker 5:
[51:55] Israel controls our government.

Speaker 4:
[51:57] Control and influence and manipulate our system.

Speaker 5:
[52:02] Ruled and controlled and manipulated by the nation state of Israel.

Speaker 4:
[52:06] They are vampires. They suck our blood.

Speaker 5:
[52:09] They suck the life out of this country.

Speaker 4:
[52:12] We can not be slaves to Israel.

Speaker 5:
[52:16] I'm not a slave to Israel.

Speaker 4:
[52:17] Iran does not have a nuclear weapon.

Speaker 5:
[52:22] Iran did not have a nuclear arsenal.

Speaker 4:
[52:25] The supreme leader of Iran promulgated a fatwa.

Speaker 5:
[52:29] He had put out a fatwa against nuclear weapons.

Speaker 4:
[52:32] We had to join Israel's war of choice.

Speaker 5:
[52:35] A war of choice. That's what this is.

Speaker 4:
[52:38] The real threat to America is from Israel.

Speaker 5:
[52:41] Our alliance with Israel as an existential threat to the United States.

Speaker 4:
[52:46] They will nuke the entire world.

Speaker 5:
[52:48] Israel is the biggest threat to world peace.

Speaker 4:
[52:50] Let us never forget who the real enemy is.

Speaker 5:
[52:54] The enemy is Israel.

Speaker 4:
[52:56] We need to decouple from this country.

Speaker 5:
[52:58] We need to decouple. Decouple. Let's separate.

Speaker 4:
[53:02] We need to free America from this sick, perverse, parasitic organism that has attached itself to us. Foreign nationals leeching off of public services.

Speaker 5:
[53:17] The pariah state that has reached off the American people.

Speaker 4:
[53:21] It's not just Netanyahu. On some level, it is the Israeli people.

Speaker 5:
[53:25] The behavior of the Israeli government and quite honestly, the vast majority of the Israeli population.

Speaker 4:
[53:30] They dehumanize us. They don't see us.

Speaker 5:
[53:33] They don't see Palestinians as human.

Speaker 4:
[53:35] I'm an awakened Goy. Jewish people think they're better than everybody.

Speaker 5:
[53:44] And you think you're better than everyone else?

Speaker 2:
[53:46] You know the Jews do this?

Speaker 5:
[53:48] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[53:48] Go the fuck back to Israel.

Speaker 5:
[53:50] Go back to Israel.

Speaker 4:
[53:51] Greater Israel.

Speaker 5:
[53:52] The Greater Israel Project.

Speaker 4:
[53:53] The famous dancing Israelis.

Speaker 5:
[53:55] The whole dancing Israelis thing.

Speaker 4:
[53:57] In the genocidal state?

Speaker 5:
[53:59] A genocidal disgusting state.

Speaker 4:
[54:01] Why would I give a fuck about Israel?

Speaker 5:
[54:04] I don't give a damn about Israel. I don't give a damn.

Speaker 4:
[54:07] And I don't fucking trust them.

Speaker 5:
[54:08] I don't trust the Israelis.

Speaker 4:
[54:10] Your right to exist is not real.

Speaker 5:
[54:13] I don't believe Israel has the right to exist.

Speaker 4:
[54:15] Don't be moralized by wicked evil people.

Speaker 5:
[54:18] People as evil as this exist in this world.

Speaker 4:
[54:21] God's chosen people rejected their own Messiah.

Speaker 5:
[54:25] You think you're God's chosen people when you act like absolute demons.

Speaker 1:
[54:33] Now we didn't edit any of that because we want you to see what a lot of your sons and grandsons are watching and what they're listening to when they're online and these topics come up. If you don't know, you probably know the first voice if you're on the right, because we had plenty of arguments about him earlier. This year, late last year when Tucker Carlson shows too. Now you see a fuller context of what Tucker was attempting to do with Nick Fuentes. Any of the, well, he did tell him we can't be anti-Semites. Any of that stuff is just given the complete heel turn that Tucker has done, that whole context is just out the window now. You can now in reverse see that that was a very strategized, attempted, what did I call it at the time, a pasteurizing of Nick Fuentes? He was attempting to pasteurize him. That was a platforming. He was not interviewing him. He was attempting to bring him in to the mainstream. Okay, make him palatable. Okay? And so you know, many of you, because we're a righty show, know that voice. You probably don't know the other voice. The other voice is a far left podcaster named Anna Kasparian. She's with a show called The Young Turks. They're essentially the Nick Fuentes of leftist. Is that fair?

Speaker 2:
[55:49] Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1:
[55:51] They're essentially the Nick Fuentes of leftists. And what you can see there now is you have these fringes all saying the same thing. Now, some of you are going to be permitted, and this is what I want to get your Fake News or Not on, Todd, because you could, an argument could be made in the other direction, which is, well, if you can get the fringes on the right or left to see something similarly, then that may actually reinforce that it's true. Like, didn't I just say to Robert Malone last hour? That we did see a coalition of people left of center and right of center come together who aren't traditionally aligned during COVID to push back on the scandemic, right? We just had that conversation, correct?

Speaker 2:
[56:37] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[56:38] Okay. Except here's why I would say this is completely and totally different. If we were talking about Marxist globalist foreign influence, would Anna Kasparian be saying anything she said in that clip? If it was, if it was influence from the European Union, do you think we see that same stuff from Anna Kasparian?

Speaker 2:
[57:00] No.

Speaker 1:
[57:00] No. If it's influence from the United Nations, you think we see the same stuff from Anna Kasparian?

Speaker 2:
[57:05] No.

Speaker 1:
[57:06] No. See what you saw when people on the right and the left came together during this scandemic is they were unified, despite their political differences, they were unified by a shared ideal that were patients, not guidelines, that our government should tell us the truth about data, about medicines, what's safe and what's not. And this coalition that was across party lines pre-existed COVID. You were a part of it. Long before we even knew it, I knew what a lot of this stuff meant when I was just joking with you about being a granola-crunching anti-vaxer. We always talked about how there was people on the left and the right that, this is a pretty broad coalition of people. It's not a big coalition of people, but the coalition is pretty broad of the people that it has, right?

Speaker 2:
[58:02] That's exactly right.

Speaker 1:
[58:03] That's not what's happening here. What's happening here is godless realms are coming together under a shared hatred. This is the same hymnal. This is the same programming. Anna Kasparian would be totally fine with foreign influence over America, provided it came from the European Union. It came from the United Nations. The only thing she has in common with Nick Fuentes at all is a shared hatred, not a shared ideal. And that's why all of their language is exactly the same. Godlessness from the left and godlessness from the right are the same thing. They're not any different. It's just godlessness. Zero times zero is zero. So Todd, is that fake news or not?

Speaker 2:
[58:52] It's not fake news. The fact that this is so obviously scripted means...

Speaker 1:
[59:00] You mean for them to have the same talking points. Almost like some entity somewhere or some source was just feeding its acolytes, the words to say.

Speaker 2:
[59:10] I think that's obviously happening, and I think these two people aren't accidentally aligned. I think they are formally aligned. And the whole time that's playing, I'm thinking of Baron Zemo from Civil War. I think that's what's going on here. I think there is a puppet master...

Speaker 1:
[59:31] Instigating these things.

Speaker 2:
[59:32] All of this.

Speaker 1:
[59:33] It's a little bit like, have you ever noticed, guys, you ever noticed that it's when you and your wife aren't getting along? And the enemy just suddenly just seems to have a woman of interest that just seems interested in you, a lot of times way out of your league, that would in no other way, shape or form ever be interested in you if your marriage was going right. See what I'm trying to say? Like, where did this pairing come from? How did this person kind of come out of nowhere? Is that kind of what I hear you kind of alluding to here a little bit?

Speaker 2:
[60:00] Oh, there's...

Speaker 1:
[60:02] Folks like this, when they're on the same team of darkness, they just are somehow seemingly brought together.

Speaker 2:
[60:09] Yeah, and people are... Those two may be getting played on some level. They are, because we're talking about demonic forces, that they don't fully understand, but this isn't purely accidental either. These two really are on the same godless team. They are being fed aggressive, disassembling, deconstructing, talking points.

Speaker 1:
[60:34] Does anything about any of that language or the way they framed any of their arguments, does any of that point you more to Christ at all, get you more interested in studying the word of God at all, make you more Christ-like than you were before you heard any of that? Does it apply to anything you just heard or read?

Speaker 2:
[60:47] No, and they understand that there are all kinds of, on both sides of the political aisle, all kinds of people that are ripe to be turned into soldiers of chaos. It's, we are on a razor's edge, man. I mean, the show, like I said, we are perfect pairing for the first hour, Steve. Well done.

Speaker 1:
[61:07] All right, this next one is a post I saw in my replies the other day that I thought was fascinating. And it's in response to the piece that I wrote for The Blaze this week about, we actually right now with the march of Islam, we actually need a Catholic Pope. I mean, be as Protestant as you want. I'm a proud evangelical, but if they weren't for the Catholic Church, there's never a reformation and we're all speaking Arabic centuries ago. We're overrun by the Muslims. Catholic Church essentially built and then saved Western civilization from Islam on multiple occasions in fact. And so what we really need is a Pope who actually is Catholic. We really need a Catholic Pope like right now. Okay. And I thought this post from Drunk Kamala, I thought was fascinating. War mongering is bad, but pacifism is even worse as it invites conflict rather than defeat it. And in the end, war will still have to be fought nonetheless. All pacifism ends up accomplishing is increasing the death and the suffering.

Speaker 2:
[62:07] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[62:08] Is that fake news or not?

Speaker 2:
[62:09] Oh, no, that's not fake news. That's what's so disappointing about this utopian application of of the Imagine Gospel here and not doing us, you know, dealing with Iran specifically, not only as it exists today, but has existed since 1979. Listen, this is why if you read the catechism of the Catholic Church and its indictment, uncompromising indictment of communism, the same thing applies to pacifism because these are both godless utopian. It's utopianistic philosophies that do not, as you said last week, and rightly so, scripturally, historically, and again, contemporarily, they do not match reality. And so, no, this is not fake news.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 6:
[64:59] I understand these frustrations. I don't understand voting for someone like Kamala Harris. I remember this just absolutely evil story that I think that you would agree is evil, that under the Biden-Harris administration, that they had used the USDA to take SNAP breakfast and lunches away from poor schools that didn't abide by the rewrite of Title IX. So if a public school that took these funds for poor students that maybe didn't get meals at home, if they did not allow boys on girl sports teams or boys in girls' bathrooms, those poor kids, those kids wouldn't get food anymore for that. We can talk about SNAP overfunded. I'm open to conversations about welfare reform, but for that reason, they were so pro-trans, they had guidance. We can talk about who is the head of our health department. Think about who was the head of the health department under Biden, who is a man who identified as a woman who put guidance out for puberty blockers for kids. Again, when it comes to abortion, Kamala Harris all nine months without any punishment or any regulation whatsoever, even promised to pass federal law if Congress was with her, to legalize abortion through, I assume through all nine months, maybe it was 24 weeks across the country. I agree with you on so many of these issues. I want the Republican Party and Donald Trump to be more conservative, more pro-family, not against taxpayer funded IVF, anti-abortion and all of these things.

Speaker 7:
[66:26] I think I'm identifying some of our differences here.

Speaker 6:
[66:28] I just don't think I could ever vote for Kamala Harris.

Speaker 7:
[66:31] One of the key differences is how do we prioritize different policies? So we've talked a lot about trans issues and we've spent a lot of time, for example, talking about pronouns.

Speaker 6:
[66:40] Those are big ones for me, for sure. Because they're creation order issues. And so Genesis 1 issues, when it comes to policy, are important to me.

Speaker 7:
[66:48] I would place a war in which a million people are being killed and injured, which could potentially lead to a World War III that we may not survive as a species in an intact way. I'm putting this way above things like pronouns. I'm sorry. It's just they're not even in the same universe.

Speaker 6:
[67:09] I just gave you, I ascended to, okay, yeah, that's a really big deal. You diminished what I'm talking about.

Speaker 7:
[67:16] Yeah, put on the pronouns.

Speaker 6:
[67:17] Into pronouns. But that's not what I'm talking about. You know, I'm not just talking about pronouns. I didn't say anything about Biden forcing pronouns. I'm talking about medical guidance for hospitals to chemically castrate kids. I'm talking about in Democrat states. I don't know where Biden or Harris stood on this. But taking kids out of the custody of their parents because the parents won't affirm this newfound gender of the child. I'm talking about Democrat states.

Speaker 7:
[67:40] I don't think that Kamala Harris was advocating that.

Speaker 6:
[67:42] And I just said that. I just caveated that. But that's the kind of thing that I'm talking about. When I say that I care about transgenderism, I'm not just talking about pronouns. That's a personal thing. You diminished my stance on that to that. And I don't think that's fair.

Speaker 7:
[67:55] I mean, you spend a lot of time just talking about pronouns.

Speaker 6:
[67:58] But we weren't talking about it in the context of an election.

Speaker 7:
[68:01] We're...

Speaker 1:
[68:05] I'm not going to say anything other than, do you remember David French sounding this effeminate like 10 years ago? I mean, we're almost a Barney Frank territory of Lisp here, okay? I mean, holy cow. Here's what younger people may not know. Like, what was he, 30, 35? David French re-enlisted into the military after 9-11, okay? To go over there and fight for his country. Re-enlisted. Does that guy give you the, I re-enlisted post 30 to go fight the Crusades vibe? Do you get that vibe off of that guy at all? Because the vibe I get off of that guy at all is, does he share a Grindr account with Lindsey Graham? That's the vibe I get. Anyway, the vibe notwithstanding, your thoughts of that exchange?

Speaker 2:
[68:55] It's not just the that exchange. I watched the whole thing. Obviously, I've been at a front row seat very early on, on David French's...

Speaker 1:
[69:08] Did he call The Blaze complaining about you or somebody at The Blaze? I thought he was.

Speaker 2:
[69:11] Well, he got me suspended on...

Speaker 1:
[69:14] On Twitter, that's what I'm asking.

Speaker 2:
[69:15] On X.

Speaker 1:
[69:16] He complained to Twitter is what it was, that's right.

Speaker 2:
[69:18] And then he had, there were people coming after me to The Blaze, maybe, maybe not on his behalf. So yes, just because I...

Speaker 1:
[69:28] Well, well done, good and faithful, sure. But anyway, finish your point.

Speaker 2:
[69:31] Because I point out, again, drag queen story hour is a blessing of liberty. That's him. He apparently wrestled the demon just like Tucker. Because like those two polls that Steve talked about in the first example on the left and the right, we've got Tucker and David French. David French was being cast as a possible presidential candidate back in Trump 1.0. And now we have Tucker, like I said, he's been talked about as a... Something happens to these guys because they are entirely different human beings. To say as passionately in the face, Ali Stuckey can do combat. She's a very, very talented woman. But what's important for you to see right there is how she basically just put into evidence the most obvious, heinous things that in no way can be argued against that Kamala Harris was a part of, and David French didn't even to try. And right there on camera, he just said, I just don't care. That wasn't even an... Ali will cut you. As nice as she is, she'll cut you. All she did is basically, David, we're Christians here, right? We can agree on this. And he said, no, we can't.

Speaker 1:
[70:52] Yeah, that's total gaslighting. He reduced actual citations of evidence, things occurring in the country that are factual.

Speaker 2:
[71:02] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[71:03] Well, you just care about pronouns.

Speaker 2:
[71:04] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[71:05] Okay. Hey, you know, your wife got murdered. You just care that you have to do your own laundry. That's just sinister levels of reductionism. That is what that means.

Speaker 2:
[71:21] The Ukraine war, he's telling you, not marginally. He said, it's not even a argument. You are supposed to, as a moral person, supposed to care far more about the war in Ukraine than your kids being transed at school. That's what he just said. David, over my dead body, please make sure if you and I see each other anywhere in public, run the other way because you are a devil. You're a disgusting disgrace of manhood. I don't know what happened to you, what your wife did to you, but it's just an absolute embarrassment. Trust me, that segment was pretty long. There's two hours of that. It never gets better. Not once. The whole thing is a total betrayal of the faith he claims to profess and the gender that we all know that he is.

Speaker 1:
[72:20] Put these all together. So I specifically chose these three. Okay. Let's put the pieces of this puzzle together. What's being modeled here? What's being modeled here to you? And this is what you need to see is the two clips in between are the same clip. Complete and total gas lighting, speaking in forked tongue, and then the middle clip. And so, and speaking in absolutes, but not in the way of actually upholding absolutes. Not in the way of, in David French's case, not in the way of there's only two genders, male and female. When Ali says, I mean, Genesis created order issues are very important to me, because those are defined. There's only two kinds of people, male and female. That's an absolute, right? Not in the kind, these are the absolutes that French and Fuentes and Casparian, they're all the same person. They're all the same person. The absolutes they speak to draw you further away from God. They're inversions, demonic inversions of absolutes. Somehow, Vladimir Putin has not been able to subdue Ukraine in going on four years, but we're still going with that. He's going to start a nuclear war talking point in the year of our Lord, April of 2026. Because it's a gaslighting. You're being gaslit by all three. They're just variations of all the same themes. In the middle is the kind of nuance from Drunk Kamala, is the kind of nuance that it takes to be an adult in a world that we're in the world, but not of the world. Where we have to live by God-ordained absolutes, but do so in the world as it actually is, not in a fantasy world. Where we understand there are some limitations to what we can hope for in a fallen world. There are some things that are not achievable by our species in our current form. And we have to relate to that. That it sucks there has to be war. That's why it should be a last resort. But if you take it off the table as a resort whatsoever, what you get even worse is pacifism because the evil doesn't stop. The evil is not like, you know what? That was like a remix. And you threw in a ukulele into imagine. I had not heard that version before. Let me reconsider my entire proposition. That's not how it works. That's not how it's never, it's not how any of this works. And so what you saw there from Drunk Kamala, is you saw the kind of nuancing that is required, almost paradoxical levels of thinking, to be a believer in a fallen world, to walk down a narrow road in a world that has simultaneously been falling apart since Genesis chapter three. What you see from the other three individuals in the clips that sandwiched Drunk Kamala are the things that make it sound like it's just all so simple. If you just hate the right group, if you just support the right cause, but it's all the same thing, Todd.

Speaker 2:
[75:53] I think you just talked about realistic conclusions at the top of the show. I don't know what the odds are, but you talk about those three clips. One of the most honest conclusions you can come that this entire culture is under demonic possession.

Speaker 1:
[76:10] 100 percent or at least a serious demonic attack. A hundred percent serious demonic attack at the minimum.

Speaker 2:
[76:15] Where would you yet be struck? The hour is very, very late.

Speaker 1:
[76:25] I think a sifting is happening. I do. I think there's been a series of siftings happening. I think the Lord is permitting this. I think that's why Ali was able to get David French. Ali's platform is tremendously larger than anything David French has nowadays.

Speaker 2:
[76:40] Yeah, those things are all...

Speaker 1:
[76:42] These are the openings to create a sifting. That's what I think is happening.

Speaker 2:
[76:45] And they're being said... And that's why he wasn't... David French wasn't like cornered. He went out of his way to say, oh, I think where we... our confusion is. He didn't try to massage that. He went top rope to say, you're damn right I ordered the code red. And pronouns don't matter to me. Transing your kids doesn't matter to me. And he said it in the name of the Lord.

Speaker 1:
[77:11] What kind of authority think Nick Fuentes is on honoring covenants with God? Just based off of that, find me any clip, find me anything about his life whatsoever that makes you think Nick Fuentes is serious about honoring any form of covenantal agreement with Almighty God whatsoever. And he's now going to speak with authority on this?

Speaker 2:
[77:31] In here, amongst the Orthodox Church, you talked about earlier in terms of the museum, we're busy having all of these stupid pissing matches, while David French and Nick Fuentes, they're the exact same person.

Speaker 1:
[77:43] Yes, they are. They're both a feminists. More in a moment.

Speaker 3:
[77:57] The Steve Deace Show.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 8:
[79:35] I'm doing okay. You know, tonight, we just, it's night in Israel. We just started Israel's Independence Day celebration. So it's a big day here.

Speaker 1:
[79:42] Well, congratulations on that. And of course, some news made the rounds over the weekend. On purpose, I chose not to comment on it on social media, and I'll explain why after we get your take on it. But this was something the Israeli, in fact, I didn't even find out about it until I had already seen the Israeli government had already condemned it as well. But it's a photo of an Israeli Defense Force soldier, and someone's taking the photos, there's at least two involved. But he is seen essentially taking an ax to an upside down crucifix of Christ during one of their Hezbollah operations there in southern Lebanon. This thing made the rounds yesterday. And as I said, it got almost instant condemnation from the Israeli government, the IDF, from Prime Minister Netanyahu as well. But you specifically contacted me yesterday and thought this was something that you wanted to address to our audience. So by all means, brother, the floor is now yours.

Speaker 8:
[80:41] Well, thank you, Steve. And I really appreciate you giving me the opportunity to do this because this incident is being used by the usual, we don't need to name them, as a way of pointing to Israel and saying, aha, you see Jews hate Christians. And, you know, you said it best in your tea up here, the fact that it was so roundly condemned by everyone, pretty much in Israel, by the IDF, by the Prime Minister's office, by everyone, speaks volumes because a society needs to be judged by what is considered deviant. Meaning the question is, is this acceptable behavior or is this not acceptable behavior? You know, take the example of like anti-Semitism. If in the 1930s, there were quotas on Ivy League schools about how many Jews could go there and there were neighborhoods that wouldn't allow Jews to move in. But then when I was growing up in the 80s and in the 70s and 80s, anti-Semitism became skinheads painting swastikas on the sides of synagogues. Okay, that's progress. That means we've moved from more acceptable hatred of Jews to more where it's become deviant behavior. If something is deviant behavior and society treats it as deviant behavior, that's a good thing. That said, the reason I wanted to come on and talk about it is that there is a problem in some segments of the Jewish community. I've been very outspoken about this over the years. As you mentioned, I'm a regular columnist for the Jerusalem Post, and I write about this issue on a regular basis. I've been involved in Jewish-Christian relations for many, many years. That's really my career. It has been for a long time. And there are many Jews, especially raised in Israel in an entirely Jewish environment, who don't know Christians. All they know is the dark history, which is long over, but they know it from centuries ago. Jews are very well-versed in the atrocities committed by people in the name of Jesus during the Crusades and during the Spanish Inquisition and other events like that. Most Christians are ignorant of them, unfortunately, but Jews know these things well. So you have people who are raised with no real knowledge of Christians and they go into a situation like this and this is how they behave. But again, the key is that this was roundly condemned. And the outrage that we saw online, it's curious to me, Steve, and I think this might be even the bigger story, that on the same day that this happened, on the same day that this happened, I see a news story that there were 27 Christians slaughtered and hundreds taken captive in Nigeria, something that happens on an almost daily basis, unfortunately. In 2025, there was an average of 35 Christians murdered per day in Nigeria for being Christian, many more taken captive and enslaved. On Easter Sunday in Syria, they had to cancel a lot of the celebrations in one of the most ancient Christian communities in the world because of threats from Muslims and recent massacres of the Christian community that had happened there. I haven't seen the same type of outrage about those incidents as I've seen about a deviant Israeli soldier taking a sledgehammer to a Jesus statue, which was then of course roundly condemned by Israeli authorities. So at the same time as I call it out in my community and I think that we need a greater education in the Jewish community of the fact that Christians are our allies in the world today, a more Christian Middle East is a better, more peaceful, more prosperous place for Israel, and we should celebrate Christianity in the Middle East. It would be a dream of Israel. If missionaries would come to the Middle East and convert every Muslim to Christianity, that would be a godsend for the Jews. Think about what it would do to Israel's security. So it's obviously a foolish act, it's politically stupid for this kid to have done that, but he was called out immediately. And again, I think the finger needs to be pointed at all those who are outraged, who say nothing when their Christian brothers and sisters are being slaughtered on a regular basis. What happened on October 7th to us happens monthly in Nigeria, and I don't hear all that outrage there, Steve.

Speaker 1:
[84:56] That's well said. And you teed up a lot of why I did not say anything about it. First of all, by the time I had heard about it, the Israeli government at the highest levels had already condemned it. So at that point, this is different than the whole thing with the shrine over Holy Week, because that matter was not yet resolved. And so at the time I commented on it, so I thought it was worthy of commenting upon. In this case, the matter is already resolved. So the only reason for me to comment on it is essentially to show, see, if I found the one thing the Jews did I don't like, so I can be fair, I don't play those games, I don't care. I mean, I don't care what Nihilist 42759er on X thinks about any of that stuff. My career isn't to earn their approval. And so the only reason I would be doing that is some form of righty virtue signaling to a group of people, frankly, I'm trying to confront. So I really could care less what they think. The other reason, and you touched on some of this too, the Muslim angle, I mean, Tucker wants to tell me there's no Christian slaughter in Nigeria. So, I mean, where are these people on any of this stuff? Nowhere to be found in most cases. The third reason, and the most controversial one, is frankly under the previous president that we had here, they were actively trying to promote within our military, the kinds of soldiers in our own military wearing our own uniform that would do things like that to Christian symbols and relics. They were actively trying to purge people out of the military who were Christian believers. The overwhelming amount of people who refused to take that jab in the military were believers. I know, because there's almost no one that wrote more about that topic than I did during that period of time. And many of them did not do so out of their own Christian conviction. And the Biden administration was using this to purge Christian believers out of the military, and in many cases were elevating the very kind of elements that would probably desecrate Christian imagery like that. And so for those various reasons, in that order, one, it was already resolved, so there's really nothing to comment on. So that brings me to number two, I'm only doing it to please a group of people. I could care less about pleasing. And then three, I've got enough of godlessness in my own culture right now. You know, we did a live read for Beam Dream Powder. I believe our Lord said something about the beam in your eye, right, Todd? And the speck of dust in somebody else's, right? Something like that? I think we've got enough godlessness in our own culture right now that is way more of a threat than what a couple of idiots in your military that have already been disciplined did on a rando Sunday, but that's just me.

Speaker 8:
[87:38] If I could add another dimension to this, Steve, you know, kind of really big picture here. Right after October 7th, that November, at the traditional Christmas tree lighting in Rockefeller Plaza, that happens every year right after Thanksgiving, you know, the kickoff to the Christmas shopping season. And at the Christmas tree lighting in November 2023, it turned into a pro-Khamas, anti-Israel riot. And they were screaming Christmas is canceled till Palestine is free and from the river to the sea disrupting the Christmas tree lighting. And then this happened in London where they disrupted the Christmas market, screaming pro-Khamas slogans, the La Scala opera Christmas performance that takes place in Rome every year, was disrupted by pro-Khamas, anti-Israel demonstrators. The mass in St. Patrick's Cathedral on Easter Sunday the year after October 7th, was also interrupted by pro-Khamas demonstrators. And you got to wonder to yourself, why does it make sense to our enemies, the Red-Green Alliance, whatever you want to call them, why does it make sense to the enemies of Israel to attack Christmas and Easter, when Jews don't celebrate Christmas and Easter? Why does it make sense to them? I'm asking the question in a very specific way.

Speaker 1:
[88:57] How do they see it? Not how do we see it within our own inter-Nicene disagreements, but how do they see it? Exactly.

Speaker 8:
[89:03] And that's what's so important. As far as they're concerned, as far as our enemies are concerned, Jews and Christians are exactly the same. They kill us for the exact same reasons. If there was a Jew in one of those Nigerian towns when the slaughter was going on yesterday, that Jew would be killed for the same reason. This isn't, and I'm not talking about, you know, like when the left says that, what's that word they use, where all different causes are the same. I don't even remember the word anymore. This is, they hate biblical faith. And as far as they're concerned, we represent the exact same thing. You know who's not outraged about the sledgehammer to this Jesus statue? You know who's not outraged by it? The Christians in Lebanon. I mean, they want it fixed and the IDF fixed it today, but they're not outraged. They don't think that Israel hates Christians. They love the Israelis. They fought alongside the Israelis for years in the South Lebanon Army. They're not outraged by it. It's just, you know, it's the so-called Christian voices in Podkastistan here in America, where you are, who are making a big deal out of it. You know, so we have to think about how our enemies think. From our enemy's perspective, if we're fighting with each other, Christians and Jews, then they've won, because as far as they're concerned, that's an internal battle between us. We're in the same category as far as they're concerned, and we need to wake up, Jews and Christians alike. And this is my message to the Jewish community as well. My column in the Jerusalem Post about this incident, I'm calling out the Jewish community and saying, look, Christians are not our enemies. Christians are our allies. In fact, they're our only allies worldwide. And we have to start educating our kids to understand that, because I think that this kid who did this probably was the result of some bad Jewish education. But again, at the same time, we need to take the bigger picture view.

Speaker 1:
[90:52] Pesach, good to see you again. How can people follow your work if they want to do so?

Speaker 8:
[90:56] Oh, thank you. Israel 365 News on YouTube. We're posting videos all the time. I also have my private YouTube channel, which is my name, Rabbi Pesach Wolicki. I'm the only Pesach Wolicki in the world. I'm really easy to find. You can also find my author page at Jerusalem Post at jpost.com and at RabbiPW on X. Thank you so much, Steve.

Speaker 1:
[91:16] You got it, man. Good to see you. Thank you.

Speaker 8:
[91:18] God bless.

Speaker 1:
[91:19] Same to you. All right, Todd, some final thoughts on our show. We only got about three minutes.

Speaker 2:
[91:23] Really important conversation. Also why I did not jump out front to comment on this because listen, every day on X, I am told by some non Protestant that I'm not really a Christian because I'm Catholic. While I deal with that and combat-

Speaker 1:
[91:45] A guy who would by the way get very upset that I'm sure that a couple of Jews in the Israeli Defense Force desecrated what is largely often traditionally associated as a symbol of your vestige of Christianity, which in any other context, if you were walking around waving that or put that on your front lawn, that same exact non who's now of course losing their minds over this desecration of this symbol, if you put it right set up in your own lawn would accuse you of violating the second commandment and all kinds of other vagaries.

Speaker 2:
[92:17] That's another layer of it for sure. But why I bring that up is because I sit next to him. That guy doesn't think that. He thinks quite the opposite. Making the main thing the main thing and many of you, the listeners who talk to me write to me nicest letters. I know our Protestant trying to make the main thing the main thing. We don't have time for this. And that's what that conversation you just heard. Addressing a reality of it, a unfortunate reality that dealing with it in as much as you have to. But then making the point that they're all going to kill us for the exact same reasons from their point of view. So what exactly are we doing here? And it's a credit to Pesach to reach out the way he did. And for Steve to make sure he's put on at the last minute because we never usually schedule earlier than the time we're getting.

Speaker 1:
[93:13] I wasn't going to talk about it at all for all the reasons that I mentioned. He reached out to us, and that's when I sent him over to you and said, you know what?

Speaker 2:
[93:19] Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 1:
[93:20] Because he reached out to us, we should address it.

Speaker 2:
[93:21] Yes. And Josh Hammer made the same point in his book recently, which I read. Do you know how much better it would be if this entire region were Christian instead of Islamic? They don't. Guys, we are drunk on so many really stupid fictions. You know what? This piece that everybody claims they want, by all means, let's try it. That's what that conversation you just heard, what real piece looks like. You guys are all finding a hundred different reasons not to have it.

Speaker 1:
[93:56] I just want to reiterate, I'm just trying to say what's left of our way of life here. And it's not like I'm not unaware, non-Messianic Jews, which is approximately 98% of Jews, all right, have rejected who I think is their Messiah. I'm not, this is in a newsflash to me. I'm not unaware of the doctrinal differences Todd and I had that our forefathers that led to a reformation of schism and over a hundred years of bloodshed on the European continent and the blood that was shed all depending on whether the aristocracy was Catholic or Protestant and what they did to the other party. Not unaware of any of this. I spent seven hours at the Museum of the Bible on Sunday. This is all well chronicled there in vivid detail. Not unaware of these things. I'm trying to make sure we get to still go to the Museum of the Bible. All right. Trying to make sure that's what I'm trying to do, that we still get to have a Museum of the Bible, that we still get to. So much focus we did a show yesterday on dispensationalism and revelation, for example. But that book begins with seven letters to churches in a place called Asia Minor. Where are those churches now? Where did they go? What is this place called Asia Minor? What is it now? Where did it go? What changed? More importantly, who changed it? See, I'm trying to stop that, okay? So that we may have the benefit in the future of resuming our Western arguments yet again. I'm all in favor. I hope that is the legacy we get to pass on to our children and grandchildren. You may now fight each other. I'm hoping we get to do that, but we got to win this generation to get there. Go hard, Women's Day 28.

Speaker 9:
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