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Speaker 3:
[01:16] Welcome to The Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.
Speaker 4:
[01:34] Welcome in. Tuesday, April 21st. The Fantasy Footballers Podcast, Jason Moore, Mike Wright. I'm Andy Holloway.
Speaker 3:
[01:51] Draft week.
Speaker 4:
[01:52] Yeah, baby, we're here. And the Giants have extra picks. Oh, do you realize that was the first time I was like getting way ahead of the news? But Dexter Lawrence has traded straight up for the number 10 overall pick in the draft. So the Bengals, I mean, we got to be honest. You look at the numbers behind what Dexter Lawrence brings to a defense, devastating for Mike, because we have a strict fantasy football policy on this show. We don't want the Bengals getting better on defense, and we don't want the Cowboys getting better on defense. I mean, and they are going to be better with Dexter Lawrence.
Speaker 5:
[02:27] They will, but they lost Hendrickson.
Speaker 4:
[02:29] They did.
Speaker 5:
[02:30] They did. I mean, can you imagine that defense without one of those guys?
Speaker 1:
[02:35] They didn't have Hendrickson for a lot of last year.
Speaker 5:
[02:37] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[02:37] It was, I mean, I saw.
Speaker 1:
[02:38] It was great.
Speaker 4:
[02:40] I saw the numbers. New York was just atrocious without Dexter Lawrence on the field last year. But this is like the first time in 21 years or something like that, that a top 10 pick was traded for a non-quarterback.
Speaker 1:
[02:53] Yeah. I saw the post. I forget which one of the big insiders was saying, oh, they posted it in a way where it was like, there's precedence for this. This has happened before. In 1986. It's like, wait, this has been a minute. That's not, there's not a lot of precedence here.
Speaker 4:
[03:10] It was one of those deals where it's like, there's not a bunch of other pieces moving around, no other picks later on. It was just pretty fantasy football of these teams.
Speaker 1:
[03:18] Yeah, it was. I love it because all I saw was how much each team fleeced the other and how good the trade was or bad the trade was. And honestly, when I look at it, it seems really wise and smart for both parties. I get it from both of their situations. I don't think the Bengals were going to find at 10 in this draft a player that good at a position of need. Yeah, they have to pay him. But the contract they signed was not that bad.
Speaker 5:
[03:45] They added like one year of guaranteed money or something?
Speaker 4:
[03:49] Yeah, one year 28 million guaranteed.
Speaker 1:
[03:50] Somewhere around 12 million a year. It's like the number 10 pick was going to be six million a year for a rookie.
Speaker 4:
[03:57] It might be great for both teams. It really might. And now the Giants, for fantasy purposes, like they've got two top 10 picks. And one of them is going to be a impact offensive player most likely. Because I don't think they're going to spin both of them on the defensive side. They were already rumored around Jeremiah Love, or Jordan Tyson, or Carnell Tate, or any of these guys. Now we get to find out what happens, and it happens on Thursday. But first... Yes! Big announcement! Did you hear that there's an announcement, Al?
Speaker 6:
[04:33] I did. I'm anxiously awaiting.
Speaker 4:
[04:36] Oh, it's draft week. It is draft week, and we have a very special ultimate draft week giveaway. It is the ultimate draft week. We're giving away a spot in the coveted Fantasy Footballers Listener League. That is the grand prize. We are giving away a signed Jamar Chase jersey and a signed Bijan Robinson jersey. If you're watching on youtube.com/thefantasyfootballers, you can see them on the back wall here. But all you gotta do, and you do it every year anyways, is pick up the Ultimate Draft Kit at ultimatedraftkit.com. You're gonna get instant access to a bunch of features. When the full UDK release is on June 1st, you'll get even more access to everything you need to win on Draft Day, including new features we're gonna be bringing to you this year.
Speaker 1:
[05:22] And if you're an Ultimate Foot Clan member already, you are already in this. You will always be in all of our giveaways. If you're not...
Speaker 4:
[05:29] Or if you have the UDK.
Speaker 1:
[05:30] Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're not an Ultimate Foot Clan member, people make mistakes. We forgive you. It's totally understandable. Maybe you didn't even know. Maybe you're new to the show. I don't know. But you can go to footclan.com and just rectify that. And then you get in this. You can win a spot in our Listener League. This is the first one we give away every year. It will go up through this weekend, through the draft. Awesome times, big giveaways, great products. And then because of the draft, our next release for the Dynasty Pass, all of our updated rookie rankings, all of our... I mean, we get so much information this week. This is like the begin... To me, the beginning of Fantasy Football season is right when the draft ends.
Speaker 4:
[06:13] Yeah, it's super exciting. I mean, we do our keeper lottery, like our League of Records starts to take form after the draft. And those of you that are newer to the show, maybe you don't have experience with the Ultimate Draft Kit. That's where all of our tier-based rankings are, all of our premium stat projections where we go through and we just did our early rankings, but this is going to be our player by player, actual stat projections for everybody, 100 plus video player profiles, custom cheat sheets. You can track your draft live on the app. The video profiles are always a hit. We've got the Value Scout tool in there now. All of our Sleepers Breakouts, Busts and Values, which evolve. Like it's a living, breathing tool to help you win on draft day, and risk in upside meters. Just a lot of stuff you can learn about.
Speaker 5:
[07:00] It's what we use.
Speaker 4:
[07:02] Yeah. ultimatedraftkit.com for that. It gets better every single year. Be a part of the Ultimate Draft Week giveaway. Our quick question of the day was titled, I think by Brooksie, Draft Dreams. That sounds like a movie too, like the next Costner flick for draft day. Draft Dreams, name a rookie in a landing spot that you'd love to see happen for any reason.
Speaker 5:
[07:24] Well, you both, you guys are haters.
Speaker 1:
[07:26] Yeah, I know. We both went a little bit.
Speaker 5:
[07:28] Haters.
Speaker 4:
[07:28] Do you want me to go first?
Speaker 1:
[07:29] Negative. I love you. I wanted to do yours, but yours is impossible.
Speaker 5:
[07:32] It's not possible.
Speaker 1:
[07:33] It's yours is impossible.
Speaker 4:
[07:34] I mean, there's rumors right now that the Cardinals and Chiefs are in discussions around the third pick in the draft. Now, a reasonable person would be imagining the Chiefs come up and take an impact defensive player like Arvel Reese or David Bailey. But no, in my draft dream scenario, this is weird.
Speaker 5:
[07:53] This is just a personal attack.
Speaker 1:
[07:55] This is a draft fever dream.
Speaker 4:
[07:56] It's not a personal attack.
Speaker 5:
[07:57] Yes, it is.
Speaker 4:
[07:59] It's a personal.
Speaker 5:
[08:02] You're like, man, things really went way too well for Kenneth Walker, so how could we destroy it?
Speaker 4:
[08:06] First of all, if it's a personal attack, so be it because you had a year of dominance.
Speaker 5:
[08:12] You deserve it.
Speaker 4:
[08:12] You won two leagues. It's Jeremiah Love to the Chiefs, everybody.
Speaker 5:
[08:16] It's impossible.
Speaker 4:
[08:17] Jeremiah Love goes to the Chiefs, best player available. They do not like him. Ken Walker, back where he belongs, is kind of the two in an offense.
Speaker 5:
[08:25] See, there it is.
Speaker 1:
[08:27] So this would make you happy. Yeah, look how happy he is.
Speaker 4:
[08:30] It would make me, it's just for little moments, and it would be just the moment when the pick happens and I get to turn away from the TV and look at Mike.
Speaker 1:
[08:39] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[08:40] Just for the moment because it would bring so much. It would bring the fun of watching Jeremiah Love on the Chiefs. It would bring weeks and weeks of Mike going, what are they doing? Which we got to do with Michael Pinnix. That was fun.
Speaker 1:
[08:55] Yeah, it seems no way he makes it.
Speaker 4:
[08:57] Some people want to watch the world burn.
Speaker 5:
[08:59] We were right there.
Speaker 1:
[08:59] Yeah. All right. Mine's a hater dream. Yeah, that being a dumb decision.
Speaker 5:
[09:05] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[09:06] I stand by it. But if Pinnix had been good, it was a great decision, right?
Speaker 1:
[09:12] But he's not.
Speaker 4:
[09:14] Well, I'm just saying, just be clear. We were right for the wrong reason. The reason we were right.
Speaker 1:
[09:23] I don't think so, man.
Speaker 5:
[09:24] There's a clip right there.
Speaker 4:
[09:25] They were absolutely right to take another quarterback because Cousins was not going to be it.
Speaker 5:
[09:29] There's a guy doing a segment, and a lady says something, and the guest is very funny. He's like, if my grandma had tires, she'd be a bicycle.
Speaker 4:
[09:40] I know the clip you're talking about.
Speaker 5:
[09:42] No, we won. They lost.
Speaker 1:
[09:44] For whatever reason.
Speaker 4:
[09:45] If they had taken Jackson Dart, though, wasn't it the right pick at night?
Speaker 5:
[09:48] Well, yeah.
Speaker 1:
[09:48] Different year.
Speaker 4:
[09:49] Okay. That's true.
Speaker 1:
[09:52] All right, Mike, you kick us off. Give us something fun to root for because I would love this.
Speaker 4:
[09:56] Mike was not entertained by mine. He didn't like mine at all.
Speaker 1:
[09:59] It was a personal attack.
Speaker 5:
[10:00] Yeah, it's a personal attack of an impossible action and situation.
Speaker 4:
[10:04] Oh, man, now I want it even more.
Speaker 5:
[10:06] He will go, he's going three or four.
Speaker 4:
[10:10] Yes, he is. To the Cardinals or somebody that trades for it? He's going three or four.
Speaker 1:
[10:13] Three, four, five, seven. You'd have to get through to get to the Chiefs.
Speaker 5:
[10:16] The Chiefs aren't coming up for anything.
Speaker 4:
[10:18] Well, they're for love. Yeah, they're trading up.
Speaker 5:
[10:20] Mine's Adam Randall to Washington. Because I don't think Jeremiah Love makes it to Washington at seven. At that point with their pick situation, it's like you have players in your running back room. So maybe we use a third, I don't know. Probably a fourth. Probably a day three pick. But Adam Randall is such an interesting running back prospect, a converted wide receiver. The type of player that if they hit, they jump from a third round rookie pick into a top 15 type of a fantasy running back. So it would be really exciting if he went there.
Speaker 4:
[10:58] Have we ever, for one moment, considered Jacori Kroski-Merritt would be the starting running back for this team? Had all those offices?
Speaker 5:
[11:06] I have, yeah.
Speaker 1:
[11:06] Yeah, I mean, a little bit. I think it will be a 50-50 time share there.
Speaker 4:
[11:11] Do you remember when I made one of the worst trades I've ever made last year in Dynasty? I'm in the middle of a rebuild.
Speaker 5:
[11:16] The Brock Burtty one?
Speaker 4:
[11:17] Yeah, the Brock Burtty one.
Speaker 1:
[11:18] Oh, yeah. I think about it all the time.
Speaker 5:
[11:19] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[11:20] I'm thinking to myself, I think I got Jacoby Brissett and Jacori Kroski-Merritt in that trade, and Brissett now holding out in Arizona for starter money. Talk about a toilet bowl of a team.
Speaker 5:
[11:33] Good work, Arizona.
Speaker 4:
[11:36] But they could both be starting. That's just funny to think about.
Speaker 1:
[11:39] They could be. Yeah. They did sign Rashad White. So what I'm looking forward to in this draft, and I think this is realistic. I think this could very easily happen. I just put together my official mock draft. Still have room to tweak it, and he would have been available here. I did not give him here, but it would be Kinyan Sadiq falling to the Jets at 16. I would love that so much, because Sadiq is a...
Speaker 4:
[12:05] Jets getting Sadiq?
Speaker 1:
[12:06] Yeah. Sadiq is not my favorite prospect. He is obviously a superhuman athlete, best of the best, first percentile type of freak of nature. His production profile is not superb, and when you watch film, this was not like watching Brock Bowers. You watch Brock Bowers, and it's like this guy is the offense. No one can ever take him down. He is just a super elite, tight end, for sure. That's not how I feel about Sadiq, and it feels bad to feel that. And so, if I'm not super into Sadiq, and I don't want the Jets to ruin one of the wide receivers I really like, how great would it be at 16 if they're like, we've got our receiving answer, it's Sadiq. Great, because then I'm out.
Speaker 5:
[12:55] We're going to be rolling out Mason Taylor and Kenyon.
Speaker 1:
[12:58] I mean, look.
Speaker 4:
[13:01] He already let Sadiq drop to 16 in this hypothetical because he doesn't like him, and now he's going to the Jets to just be forgotten about.
Speaker 1:
[13:06] In my real draft, he drops to 19, but the Jets bypassed him in my situation.
Speaker 4:
[13:12] Is this a mock draft, or is this a draft where you pretend you're the GM of every team?
Speaker 1:
[13:17] The latter, where I pretend I'm the GM of every team. But Michael Maier was a second round pick, and that did not stop the Raiders from saying, hey, we need a true stud, and they took Brock Bowers.
Speaker 4:
[13:30] Is he a dog?
Speaker 1:
[13:32] Siddiq?
Speaker 4:
[13:33] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[13:34] Siddiq's got a little dog in him.
Speaker 4:
[13:35] I'm just saying, because dogs and cats, they don't get along.
Speaker 5:
[13:40] You're saying if they were both on the Jets.
Speaker 4:
[13:42] I'm just asking.
Speaker 5:
[13:43] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[13:44] That could be.
Speaker 5:
[13:45] They would just meet a double mesh route, and they just run into each other and start fighting.
Speaker 4:
[13:49] Well, no, they wouldn't fight because the cat would run away.
Speaker 1:
[13:52] I think.
Speaker 4:
[13:53] What was that?
Speaker 7:
[13:54] Meow, we don't need no cats.
Speaker 3:
[13:56] Be a dog.
Speaker 4:
[13:57] I forgot about that.
Speaker 1:
[13:58] Those two would fight like cats and dogs.
Speaker 4:
[14:00] All right. Let's do some news.
Speaker 3:
[14:04] News and notes from around the league.
Speaker 4:
[14:12] Adam Schefter reporting, the Eagles trading AJ Brown to the Patriots is now considered likely.
Speaker 5:
[14:16] I mean, the fact that we all have to wait until June 1st for this bull crap to go away.
Speaker 4:
[14:23] I mean, we know what's happening.
Speaker 5:
[14:26] Just do the trade and say, hey, NFL, do this on June 1st. The same way, yes.
Speaker 4:
[14:33] It will execute on June 1st.
Speaker 1:
[14:35] I mean, they do this with cuts, a post-June 1st cut. You can cut them beforehand and then designate them to be cut on June 1st. That's already like a thing.
Speaker 4:
[14:42] It is?
Speaker 1:
[14:42] Just do that with trades. Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[14:44] Yeah, that's how they manipulate the salary cap. Which is why they can't trade them right now because they want the cap to get split between the two years.
Speaker 4:
[14:52] He will be a Patriot. It will be sad for Romeo Dobbs. It will be great for Drake May.
Speaker 5:
[14:58] Yes, it will.
Speaker 4:
[15:00] The fact of the matter is the Eagles will be in play on Thursday. They will add a little bit of extra confirmation. They'll draft a wide receiver at some point in time, maybe early.
Speaker 5:
[15:11] Oh, man. I, sorry, Philadelphia. I hope they, AJ Brown this, like as in the Tennessee Titans. This is the make-good. You realize that like Mike Vrabel was the coach when they traded him. And there's the legendary video of when the trade going through. And there's someone in that room who's not happy about trading AJ Brown.
Speaker 1:
[15:35] And that was Mike Vrabel.
Speaker 5:
[15:36] And that was Mike Vrabel. If he can get him back in Philadelphia with their first round pick is like, hey, we're taking.
Speaker 4:
[15:42] Yeah, whoever it is. Mike Kyle Lemon or Jordan Tyson. It doesn't work out?
Speaker 1:
[15:46] Yes.
Speaker 5:
[15:46] Then they've done it.
Speaker 1:
[15:47] Then they come the next Traylon Berks.
Speaker 5:
[15:49] Exactly. It's just the, this is what the world needs for balance.
Speaker 4:
[15:53] Look, AJ Brown is a very, very good player. And I'm going to tell you this, Jaylen Hurts is not a better player without him.
Speaker 5:
[16:01] Right.
Speaker 1:
[16:02] But Devontae Smith is.
Speaker 4:
[16:02] He is not a better quarterback.
Speaker 1:
[16:04] Devontae Smith, stock would rise. It would definitely go up. 39% target share in games without AJ Brown.
Speaker 4:
[16:12] Yeah, that won't happen.
Speaker 1:
[16:13] No, it won't stay that way.
Speaker 5:
[16:14] Sounds like a cartoon cat.
Speaker 4:
[16:16] Yeah, that did sound pretty...
Speaker 5:
[16:18] What is that? Was that Fievel? Was that Dom DeLauise? I don't know.
Speaker 4:
[16:24] I think Philadelphia's... There'll be an interesting story. Nothing we say, I mean, everything we say right now, we got a little Jaylen Hurts in the middle of the table. Philly fans, I feel like that franchise right now is hanging on. They've got a lot of money committed, right? Their defense is going to be great, but I'm curious about the offense without AJ Brown. That'll be very, very interesting. I said it, Jacobi Bresset's not attending phase one of the offseason program, wants to be paid like a starter.
Speaker 1:
[16:54] It's great, great news.
Speaker 5:
[16:55] That one is so funny because if you recall, at least the way it was laid out on social media, that everything was okay, they're going to get rid of Kyler, the Cardinals bring in Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 6:
[17:09] You're like, what?
Speaker 5:
[17:10] They're going to have Jacobi and Gardner Minshew? And then there was the tweet, the Cardinals are moving forward like Jacobi is the starter. He doesn't know about it yet.
Speaker 1:
[17:17] Right, yeah.
Speaker 5:
[17:20] This is why he didn't know about it because they're trying to sneak it through so they didn't have to pay Gardner money.
Speaker 4:
[17:24] If you're planning on him being your starter, you got to pay him like a starter.
Speaker 5:
[17:26] Yes.
Speaker 1:
[17:27] Gardner Minshew was brought in not to compete but to be the backup for Jacobi Bresset. But Jacobi Bresset is not necessarily aware of this and certainly not financially but it's great because the pictures came out early. This is months ago of the Cardinals locker room area, their new wall graphics, and you walk into the players area and the biggest, most primary, the entire wall is a picture of Jacobi Bresset. It's like-
Speaker 5:
[18:00] Thanks. I'm not getting paid like that guy.
Speaker 1:
[18:02] He walks in and looks at that and goes, I'll be right back. I got to go talk to my agent because-
Speaker 5:
[18:07] That guy probably makes a lot of money.
Speaker 1:
[18:09] That guy probably has $50 million for that picture up there.
Speaker 4:
[18:12] Daniel Jeremiah said Ty Simpson to Arizona feels inevitable when we'll find out on maybe late first round trade up.
Speaker 5:
[18:18] Okay.
Speaker 1:
[18:19] So much smoke.
Speaker 4:
[18:19] If it's inevitable, they should wait till the last round to get them.
Speaker 1:
[18:22] They should just grab them in the second. They've got-
Speaker 5:
[18:24] No, Jeremiah love Ty Simpson. Let's do it Cardinals. That's really good work.
Speaker 4:
[18:29] I'd rather be entertained.
Speaker 5:
[18:31] I would rather be a good football team in about four years.
Speaker 4:
[18:34] Take that off the table as an option, Mike. Where else do you want to go?
Speaker 5:
[18:37] Okay. If that's out?
Speaker 4:
[18:39] Yeah, that's obviously out.
Speaker 5:
[18:40] If that's out, fine.
Speaker 4:
[18:41] If good is out, entertaining is next up. The 49ers signed Trent Williams to a two-year $50 million extension.
Speaker 5:
[18:47] Thank goodness.
Speaker 4:
[18:47] Oh, thank goodness. He's only made $218 million. Yes, Christian McCaffrey. That's a Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 1:
[18:53] Oh, okay. Yes, Jason.
Speaker 5:
[18:54] All right.
Speaker 1:
[18:55] I forgot your-
Speaker 5:
[18:56] And Purdy.
Speaker 1:
[18:58] Trent Williams is-
Speaker 5:
[18:59] He's great.
Speaker 1:
[19:00] He is an all-timer, and this was great. At first, I forgot that you- I thought you were a Cardinals fan because we were talking-
Speaker 4:
[19:07] Oh, no.
Speaker 5:
[19:07] I have left them.
Speaker 1:
[19:08] Yes, I remember now.
Speaker 4:
[19:10] We talked about the trade already. Brandon Aubrey, an agreement with the Cowboys, highest paid kicker in NFL history, four-year extension, seven million a year, 20 million guaranteed.
Speaker 1:
[19:19] Which seven million a year, most ever for a kicker, 20 guaranteed, most ever for a kicker. Those are not big numbers.
Speaker 5:
[19:26] No.
Speaker 1:
[19:26] That's like- And it's so worth it. Brandon Aubrey changes your offense.
Speaker 5:
[19:31] Trent Williams, old man Trent Williams, two-year, $50 million extension.
Speaker 4:
[19:36] 218 made. And then Brandon Aubrey, best kicker in football, 20 million guaranteed.
Speaker 5:
[19:40] I mean, it's tough when the positions get bracketed into, this is the amount of money that this position makes, even though someone like Brandon Aubrey is just so incredibly valuable, when you know that your kicker is going to make a 50-plus yard kick. He just, he will. You're like, we're in the 60s. He probably is going to make this kick.
Speaker 4:
[20:03] When Justin Tucker was at the peak of his career, he was so incredibly valuable for that team on a regular basis. But it's a superpower.
Speaker 5:
[20:12] So congratulations, Aubrey.
Speaker 4:
[20:15] Alec Pierce was absent from OTAs, underwent ankle surgery, looking at a three-month recovery. This is after he signed the big deal. He was being impacted by pain in that ankle, I guess, during last season.
Speaker 5:
[20:28] All right.
Speaker 4:
[20:29] Improved he was super tough. And everybody else would have gotten surgery but him. But now he's getting the surgery.
Speaker 5:
[20:36] Mack Jones would not have gotten the surgery.
Speaker 1:
[20:38] He couldn't afford it until he signed that contract. Now he's like, dude, you know what I'm getting? First thing I'm getting surgery.
Speaker 4:
[20:45] All right, we will take a break. We've got some ADP price checks. Should be pretty fun.
Speaker 5:
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Speaker 7:
[23:20] You better check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Speaker 4:
[23:29] All right, we are going to walk through some names. The only ADP average draft position that we have right now is going to be the underdog 12-team basketball drafts, but people are doing those every single day for money. And so that is the best gauge we have until people start mock drafting and redraft leagues. So it's just a bit of bring up some names, talk about where we think they might be going, and then I think we follow up and talk about where we think they might go on redraft and whether they look like values or not. So the first player to talk about is Jayden Daniels of the Washington Commanders, who just got a little uniform refresh. Teams are now doing the barely changing.
Speaker 5:
[24:17] Seriously, what is this about?
Speaker 4:
[24:18] The jersey thing so that we can get you to buy slightly new jerseys in the.
Speaker 1:
[24:22] But do people really buy a new, like, oh man, there's a little extra yellow there. I got to have it.
Speaker 5:
[24:29] The jersey people do. I mean, we do. Like, I buy the, I don't buy a football jersey. I buy the new Suns jersey every year.
Speaker 4:
[24:36] Interesting. And if you don't, you're dumb.
Speaker 5:
[24:38] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[24:39] I'm dumb.
Speaker 5:
[24:40] I mean, imagine wearing an old jersey.
Speaker 1:
[24:42] No, that's the loser. That's my secret. When I go to like a Suns game, being a loser, and you don't have to worry about it. No, you get the throwback. So like from now on, Cardinals should always be Larry Fitzgerald or Kurt Warner. They can't.
Speaker 4:
[24:57] No, throwbacks are great. Throwbacks are great. The slightly older version, like if anybody's wearing a Atlanta Falcons jersey, this year of last year's jersey, that's not a throwback. That's lame.
Speaker 5:
[25:10] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[25:11] Don't you see the difference?
Speaker 1:
[25:12] I'm starting to understand.
Speaker 4:
[25:13] Throwback would be like one of them Dion Sanders red jerseys.
Speaker 5:
[25:17] It has to be...
Speaker 4:
[25:18] Doug Glanville.
Speaker 5:
[25:19] Like it can't be sort of old. That's the old. Yes.
Speaker 4:
[25:23] Okay. I'm taking notes. Write this down.
Speaker 1:
[25:26] I grabbed my pen.
Speaker 4:
[25:27] Jayden Daniels. I look at last year as a deleted year for Washington in general, right? I mean, yes, he played seven games, but did he? It just didn't feel like he ever got it going.
Speaker 5:
[25:38] Well, because in the seven games, you were like, Mr. Daniels, what the heck? I spent a very high pick on you.
Speaker 4:
[25:46] Well, I mean, and you look at these matchups, he started the year against the Giants in Green Bay, got hurt for a couple of games, came back against the Chargers on the road, had a nice game against Chicago, a letdown against Dallas, missed another game, came back against Seattle, missed the rest of the, I mean, almost the rest of the season.
Speaker 5:
[26:03] Him and Terry were like two, Two ships passing in the night? Two ships passing in the night.
Speaker 1:
[26:10] Yeah, weeks.
Speaker 4:
[26:11] It was a lost season.
Speaker 1:
[26:12] Weeks four through seven, Terry McLaurin didn't play. Week nine, Terry McLaurin didn't play. So this is, you really only had two games where you saw Jayden Daniels and Terry McLaurin on the field.
Speaker 5:
[26:26] It was, and Terry got training camped, right?
Speaker 1:
[26:30] Yeah, he came out slow, looked like a guy who needed training camp. He should have practiced a little bit longer. So I agree with you. You throw out last year completely. Speaking of last year, Jayden Daniels was the third quarterback being drafted last year. He was the race to get Jayden Daniels was happening in all your drafts. So this year after a completely lost year, where when he was playing, he wasn't putting up big fantasy numbers. However, he was rushing just the same. His scramble rate was higher. His total rushing attempts per game was higher.
Speaker 4:
[27:07] Yeah, and then other guys, there's excitement around players like Drake May, Joe Burrows, Healthy. I think a year removed from the hype, I think it's going to be lower. Let's guess what quarterback off the board he is. Okay. And then the round. Let's guess it that way. I think Jayden Daniels is probably the quarterback, I'm thinking eight or nine.
Speaker 1:
[27:33] Oh. Yeah, I think it's higher than that.
Speaker 5:
[27:36] I was going...
Speaker 4:
[27:36] I'm going to go eight.
Speaker 5:
[27:37] I'm in four or five.
Speaker 1:
[27:38] I'll be in the...
Speaker 6:
[27:40] I'll be in, no, no, no, no, no!
Speaker 1:
[27:42] Six in, six in! I don't have my bottle. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 5:
[27:44] Jamie, where's the water bottle?
Speaker 6:
[27:46] It's right by your left foot.
Speaker 4:
[27:47] When you have a chance to spray Jason with water for being stupid, you gotta do it.
Speaker 1:
[27:52] You should leave that on the table.
Speaker 5:
[27:53] I wasn't fast enough.
Speaker 4:
[27:54] I'm gonna say quarterback eight. Mike, you're saying quarterback?
Speaker 5:
[27:56] I'll go...
Speaker 4:
[27:58] Just pick a number. That's the whole guessing part.
Speaker 5:
[28:00] Five, I'll go five.
Speaker 4:
[28:01] And I'll go six. Five, six, and eight. And then, round wise, I mean, that probably ends up being...
Speaker 5:
[28:09] Can't put it by you.
Speaker 4:
[28:10] You're gonna... Maybe the fifth round?
Speaker 1:
[28:15] For us, yeah, I think that would be...
Speaker 4:
[28:16] For you guys, six round for me, maybe?
Speaker 1:
[28:17] Yeah, somewhere around there.
Speaker 4:
[28:18] All right, let's go. Do we have this on the board?
Speaker 5:
[28:20] Reveal yourself. Oh, 6-0-2.
Speaker 4:
[28:23] So what quarterback is that? That is the quarterback...
Speaker 5:
[28:25] I guess we're gonna have to look that up.
Speaker 4:
[28:27] That's the quarterback three?
Speaker 5:
[28:29] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[28:29] In the sixth?
Speaker 4:
[28:31] What?
Speaker 5:
[28:31] People are...
Speaker 1:
[28:33] On underdog?
Speaker 5:
[28:35] Wow. Yep. Right now, he is...
Speaker 4:
[28:37] So this is basketball, yeah.
Speaker 5:
[28:38] So it goes Josh Allen, Lamar, and there's Jayden. To be fair, Jayden and Joe Burrow are very close to each other.
Speaker 4:
[28:46] I was gonna say, could you see yourself taking Jayden over Joe Burrow?
Speaker 5:
[28:51] Yes. I can see it. I will let the NFL draft go. At seven, I'm not 100% convinced that Washington will take a wide out. They really do need one. But if they take someone like Tate at pick number seven, that will be very, very exciting, the fact that it's not just Terry McLaurin versus the world. So I can see it.
Speaker 4:
[29:19] That blows my mind that he is vaulted right back up there after a year off and the...
Speaker 5:
[29:25] Because people are like you're saying, they're like, I'm deleting it.
Speaker 4:
[29:28] I think it's got to be the rushing, the rushing consistency and the fact that that's a superpower in fantasy. You just want to get the next one of those. But that's a little bit surprising to me. We were all wrong. I mean, in terms of the quarterback number off the board, round-wise we were about right. But yeah, they need to add a weapon that gives you confidence, not just Chigga Conquo to the offense. Debo is going to be, I mean, Debo is gone, right? So it's funny these names, like they're going to start popping up. Debo, Samuel, Keenan Allen, some of these other names that don't have teams, they're going to pop up on some franchise. Keenan did not mean good things for Lad McConkey last year.
Speaker 5:
[30:04] No. Right.
Speaker 4:
[30:05] So Jayden Daniels, QB3, 602 in the draft. Is there a fit, wide receiver wise, you know, the Denzel Boston, Omar Coopers that you think works best alongside Terry McLaurin?
Speaker 5:
[30:18] They have to drop to the third, though. They do not have a second rounder right now.
Speaker 1:
[30:22] Yeah, basically, at seven, they're either going to take one of these top three guys, and that's really the difference maker for Jayden Daniels. He needs one of that level of player. That's what the commanders need in general. However, if a great defensive guy slips to them, they could very well... I had Sonny Stiles dropping to them in my mock, and so they didn't take a wide receiver in the first, and if they don't, like Mike said, they don't have a lot of picks, a lot of capital to really move the needle. Personally, I'm not sure that... Next year, when I'm looking at quarterbacks I'm targeting, depending on where Drake May is going, depending on where Jaylen Hurts is going, people aren't going to be hot and bothered with Jaylen Hurts anymore. Burrow, there's a handful of names. If he's really the quarterback three off the board, I went into this episode thinking he was going to be quite a value. Seems like he is not.
Speaker 4:
[31:19] Yeah, I was kind of guessing the same. Let's jump in to another name. TreVeyon Henderson of the New England Patriots. First eight weeks of the season, you didn't get to see much of him. Week nine through the end of the year, you saw a lot of him. There are being nine in that stretch. 16.7 fantasy points per game, 5.3 yards per touch. I would imagine in the majority of those games, Mike still felt like he was being underutilized in all of them.
Speaker 5:
[31:49] Yeah, accurately so.
Speaker 4:
[31:51] But, you know, there's not... Ramandre's not going anywhere.
Speaker 5:
[31:55] No.
Speaker 4:
[31:56] Drake May will continue to take a step forward. You add AJ Brown to the offense. You add Romeo Dobbs to the offense. I think the passing game will get a lot of attention in the offseason. So where do you think players are going to put Trevo? I would... I'll say... I think he's probably running back 19.
Speaker 5:
[32:14] I think that's a very good guess.
Speaker 1:
[32:15] Yeah, I was going to say he's in the 20s, which is surprising with his breakout as a rookie, as not only just a rookie, but one that people were all excited about. You know, your My Guy, right, who was a My Guy last year, had that breakout look like he was going to be the next Jameer Gibbs superstar, to have him not in the top 20 at running back. But this is... I got to remember this. We don't know yet, Jason. We haven't revealed it. No, I know, I know, I know. I'm thinking of normal rankings, but I'm not considering, you know, an underdog. A lot of times you're swinging for the fences trying to hit the home run. Trevo is a home run. So yeah, I'll just say running back 20.
Speaker 4:
[32:52] So I'm at 19. You're at 20, Mike. Where do you want to go?
Speaker 5:
[32:54] I'll go running back. Oh, he finishes running back 18. I bet he's drafted around there.
Speaker 4:
[33:00] 18, 19, 20?
Speaker 5:
[33:02] I'm worried about Ramandre.
Speaker 1:
[33:04] You should be.
Speaker 4:
[33:04] You're worried that he's good.
Speaker 5:
[33:06] Oh, no.
Speaker 1:
[33:07] He's worried about the utilization.
Speaker 5:
[33:09] I'm worried that...
Speaker 4:
[33:10] He's going to Charbonne him.
Speaker 5:
[33:11] I'm worried that teams are just, like... Well, go on, Ramandre.
Speaker 1:
[33:16] So running back 20, I'm going to say that will be the fifth round.
Speaker 5:
[33:19] I'm going late fourth.
Speaker 4:
[33:20] Yeah, I'll go with the fourth round. Go ahead and show me the ADP.
Speaker 5:
[33:25] Oh, yeah!
Speaker 4:
[33:26] 411, that is the RB20.
Speaker 5:
[33:29] Oh, he is 20.
Speaker 4:
[33:30] Okay. RB20 on the dot in the back of the eleventh round. You win this time. I don't know... It's weird, because the prototype of TreVeyon Henderson is to say he's a home run. Like, there's this home run possibility. I don't see it in this offense. Like, even if Ramandre is hurt, I think they'll utilize other guys. I don't think they look at TreVeyon Henderson as a... Like, I don't look at him like Jameer Gibbs from a three down perspective. I don't think he has that. I don't think he...
Speaker 5:
[33:59] I think he does. It's... It's like the AJ Brown, I think it is happening. So then you're like, okay, more touchdowns. But do they give goal line work to Henderson or do they go back to Ramandre? It was the fact that he broke... Talking about Henderson, the way he broke out in the middle of the season in Torzino, it was like... It was a true breakout. It was awesome. He was changing the game. And then they're like, yeah, but we still got Ramandre. We like him. And so I don't know if heading into the sophomore year, if that will get totally flipped. If it gets flipped, then he's a steal at running back 20, which that's the decision you got to make when you're building your teams.
Speaker 4:
[34:48] Yeah, he's going to be a really interesting player this year, because we know they're going to win a lot of football games. And you want young talent on really good football teams.
Speaker 1:
[34:59] And running backs get injured. I mean, this is one of those situations where, when you are getting a really talented back in a timeshare, there is always the opportunity of an injury to the other party. Just like what happened in his rookie year, when Ramandre got injured, he was forced to be the guy. And we know, here's what we know. I know you say you don't see him as a three down bell cow. That is probably correct when we look at how are they going to utilize him. They are not going to force that. They have no reason to. But I do believe he can do it and will excel at it when given that opportunity. So an injury can always make that happen. That's the type of player I would want at running back 20.
Speaker 4:
[35:39] A couple of interesting things about him. For him to be a top 10 guy, we were looking at those target totals. Those would have to come up, I think. I mean, that nine-game stretch where he was really good. He was only on 45 target pace during those nine games. He's averaging about 16 opportunities a game. I don't know if he's a guy that would stay as efficient with as much work, but he's explosive. He can break a long touchdown. He can catch the football. They just didn't do it as much. In fact, Ramandre caught the ball a lot. So he's an interesting name for this upcoming year. Jaylen Warren.
Speaker 1:
[36:17] The ever disrespected.
Speaker 4:
[36:19] Yeah. My face says it all.
Speaker 1:
[36:21] I know. It's how I feel too.
Speaker 5:
[36:23] It's like, ehh.
Speaker 4:
[36:25] He feels like Tony Pollard or something.
Speaker 1:
[36:27] He was the running back 16. He was the running back 16 while sharing time with Kenneth Gainwell who led the team in receptions and is no longer there. I'm very confident he's after Hindo. No one's drafting him ahead of Trevion Henderson.
Speaker 4:
[36:43] No, I think Jaylen Warren, we've had 20 years with Mike Tomlin, where we've got to see that grimace on his face and know what he's doing at running back.
Speaker 5:
[36:52] But we won't see it anymore.
Speaker 4:
[36:54] No, I know. I'm saying it makes it different. It makes it more of a variable. Like Mike McCarthy, do we get another one of his little Ezekiel Elliott committee years? Warren's the best player in their running back room, right?
Speaker 5:
[37:10] Well, I don't know.
Speaker 4:
[37:11] Well, they got Rico.
Speaker 5:
[37:12] They got Rico. It's the-
Speaker 4:
[37:14] They got Caleb.
Speaker 5:
[37:15] He's not factoring into the equation. It's Jaylen Warren versus Rico. It's the reunion of Mike McCarthy and Rico, which Rico Daddle's breakout year, if you are newer or you don't remember. It was the second half of the year with the Dallas Cowboys with Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 4:
[37:34] But then they dumped him.
Speaker 5:
[37:36] I know.
Speaker 4:
[37:36] That's what I'm saying. I'm just saying, is it good to come back to McCarthy or bad?
Speaker 5:
[37:42] I think it's good for Rico.
Speaker 4:
[37:44] All right, Jaylen Warren running back 25.
Speaker 1:
[37:50] I'll go after that, man. I'm going to say 27.
Speaker 5:
[37:57] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[37:57] When he said after that, I thought he meant it in a significant way. Not like, whoa.
Speaker 5:
[38:08] I'll go one cent.
Speaker 1:
[38:10] It's the Price is Right rules, man.
Speaker 4:
[38:12] Well, it just sounded more like you were going to say 30 or something.
Speaker 1:
[38:15] Take 26.
Speaker 5:
[38:16] Man. I wonder if him and Rico are going right near each other.
Speaker 4:
[38:21] I bet they are.
Speaker 5:
[38:22] I'm going to go running back 29.
Speaker 4:
[38:25] Yeah. So you're talking like a seventh, eighth round pick?
Speaker 5:
[38:27] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[38:28] All right. Right now, he is going as-
Speaker 1:
[38:30] Oh, the running back 29.
Speaker 4:
[38:33] Running back 29.
Speaker 5:
[38:33] It's just ham.
Speaker 4:
[38:35] That's where Jason would have picked if he had more courage. 708.
Speaker 5:
[38:39] Well, 25. I'm going way after that. Two spots.
Speaker 1:
[38:43] I was two spots away from being correct.
Speaker 4:
[38:45] You said he's 40 years old. He looks way older than that, 41. Jaylen Warren at RB29. Is that-
Speaker 5:
[38:52] And Rico is at 31.
Speaker 4:
[38:54] And Rico is at 31. If I had to choose between the two, I feel like I'd want to go Rico.
Speaker 5:
[39:00] Eileen Rico as well.
Speaker 4:
[39:01] Because I feel like Warren is kind of-
Speaker 1:
[39:06] I will stick with Jaylen Warren.
Speaker 4:
[39:07] Resurpable.
Speaker 1:
[39:09] I mean, but so is Rico. Every team that he's been on, no matter how well he plays, he's never- whatever is happening in the locker room, we've seen it. It's kind of like when you talk about Kenneth Walker. You're like, I'm not sure how it's going to fail. But it just always does some way. Whether it's you're healthy and you get Charbonade, whether it's you're great but you can't stay healthy. We've had year after year after year after year where we see flashes, it just doesn't work out. That's Rico.
Speaker 4:
[39:35] Always a bridesmaid?
Speaker 1:
[39:36] Yeah. He's had these unbelievable stretches where you're like, this is a top tier running back. You had a thousand yards and yet teams just are like, he does not matter to us at all.
Speaker 5:
[39:48] In what? Two year, $12.5 million for Rico?
Speaker 1:
[39:55] Okay. Are you asking?
Speaker 5:
[39:57] No, I'm saying that that's what it was. But this will be a good example. So we talk about ambiguous backfields for a strategy because you don't know what to do here. You're like, Jaylen Warren, Rico, do I really want anyone on the Pittsburgh Steelers? And the answer is based off of their cost, yes, you 100% do. We'll track this, stick with the show. We'll track this over training camp with the drum beat. Who's getting the buzz of like, the more likely.
Speaker 4:
[40:30] Neither will move up enough in the draft to make them too expensive.
Speaker 5:
[40:34] Right.
Speaker 4:
[40:35] And you brought up in the, just the tips that we did last off season. Eight and a half teams on average per year have lacked a top 24 drafted running back in fantasy.
Speaker 5:
[40:47] Totally, it makes sense. Those numbers make sense.
Speaker 4:
[40:49] Yeah, eight to nine teams have nobody that's being drafted top 24 at the position. Yeah, it makes sense from a math perspective.
Speaker 5:
[40:54] Yes.
Speaker 4:
[40:55] I'm just saying like from an opportunity perspective, you know, I think losing Tomlin gives me a little bit less confidence that they will be, you know, consistent the way they've always been. But Mike McCarthy is kind of the other example of that type of guy where like McCarthy shows up and people play pretty hard.
Speaker 5:
[41:12] The follow up to that is five players from those teams on average per year jump into the top 24 and.
Speaker 1:
[41:21] Follow up of that.
Speaker 5:
[41:22] Oh, there's not.
Speaker 4:
[41:23] This is my stat.
Speaker 1:
[41:24] No, this was your stat, was that you tried to pick the ones on the best offenses. That's how we've had a lot of success the last couple of years. Picking like, uh, Gervonta last year.
Speaker 5:
[41:34] Last year was disgusting, but we.
Speaker 1:
[41:36] It was disgusting. It was like, okay, but you know, the Cowboys are probably going to have a good offense. So you take maybe someone wanted whoever the rookie was blue last year, or you choose Gervonta. But you want to take one of those ambiguous backfields from a good offense. The question now for Jaylen Warren, for Rico Dowdell is, I mean, first of all, who's the quarterback is right now. Aaron Rodgers is not.
Speaker 4:
[41:57] Will Howard right now.
Speaker 1:
[41:58] Reporting that he's now. I love that it was reported before this, like they expect to know by the draft. And now it's just being reported like, oh, they're not going to know by the draft. It's like, yeah, because we're a week from the draft and you don't know.
Speaker 5:
[42:10] It's so wild.
Speaker 1:
[42:13] I don't, even if Aaron Rodgers comes back, I would not put this as like, as a really good offense, as a top half offense. So TBD.
Speaker 4:
[42:25] We'll take a break and then we'll talk about Jaylen Warren of the wide receiver position.
Speaker 5:
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Speaker 4:
[44:52] Christopher Godwin, The Goblin. Where are we with this guy at this point in time? He's, most of the year was deleted. He missed a lot of time with an ankle and a fibula injury that it didn't seem like he'd recover from and he did. He had one or two games that were kind of all right, and it was in a year where Mike Evans was banged up and Abouka took off and you got Jimmy Millen back and Tess Johnson had games and Kate Otten was relevant at times. There are a lot of past sketching options. He is not a spring chicken anymore and yet Chris Godwin has value for fantasy, doesn't he?
Speaker 1:
[45:34] I mean, he should, but he's 30 years old and he missed so much of last year coming off of that injury.
Speaker 5:
[45:40] Yeah, but he played at the end of it.
Speaker 1:
[45:41] He did play at the end.
Speaker 4:
[45:43] He also missed almost all of the previous year.
Speaker 1:
[45:45] Yeah, but that injury that took him out for the second half of last year and the first half of this year, right before that injury, he was averaging over 16 fantasy points a game. Now, Mike Evans is gone. The opportunity for him to come in and maybe even be the one still exists on this team.
Speaker 4:
[46:04] Man, he feels like an 86 reception for 870-yard guy this year to me.
Speaker 1:
[46:13] At age 30, I tend to agree with you. I don't want him.
Speaker 4:
[46:15] I think he's a PPR guy that is... I'm going to put my ADP guess at wide receiver 34.
Speaker 1:
[46:25] I'll go wide receiver 41, and I'm going to say that's the ninth round.
Speaker 4:
[46:31] Mike, you looked surprised.
Speaker 5:
[46:33] I was trying to remember what you said.
Speaker 4:
[46:35] 34.
Speaker 5:
[46:36] Oh, 38.
Speaker 4:
[46:38] All right, he is the wide receiver 43 in the middle. The eighth round, this is not a ceiling draft selection, so this is where it gets tough. This is where you'll be picking Chris Godwin or a rookie, that you don't know how they might emerge. I don't know if I'm going to draft him.
Speaker 5:
[47:02] To me, Godwin still feels like, depending on how many fantasy football leagues I'm in, let's say I'm in five leagues, I'm going to make sure I have Godwin on at least one or two of those teams. Abouka is going to be the hotness, and chasing youth, especially youth, a young NFL player who already had a breakout, which I, did Abouka break out?
Speaker 1:
[47:32] Yes.
Speaker 5:
[47:32] Okay. So you follow that.
Speaker 4:
[47:35] Broke right back in.
Speaker 6:
[47:37] Let me in.
Speaker 4:
[47:38] You broke into the jail cell and pulled the door closed.
Speaker 5:
[47:41] Okay. So Abouka is going as the wide receiver 17. That makes complete sense for the situation that they are in. But like I said, if I have multiple teams, I think there is a chance that Godwin is easily the best wide receiver for Fantasy Football.
Speaker 1:
[48:03] It's what I said a minute ago. He still has the opportunity with Evans out of the way to be the wide receiver one for Baker Mayfield, for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. If Abouka keeps that...
Speaker 5:
[48:13] Baker couldn't find, over the second half, Baker couldn't connect with Abouka. Baker can connect with Chris Godwin.
Speaker 4:
[48:20] Diggs with New England?
Speaker 1:
[48:21] Right, yeah.
Speaker 4:
[48:22] That's what it feels like for Godwin.
Speaker 1:
[48:23] I think that's a good comp, a quality wide receiver who's gonna be in the right spot and do the right thing for a veteran quarterback in Baker, and that's not always great for Fantasy.
Speaker 4:
[48:36] I'm shaking my head, moving to this next name, because on our website we have the game log for these players, and you see the games that are top 24 finishes, top 12 finishes, they're green, anything in that middle tier, wide receiver three range, they're yellow, and then the red games are these bust games for our consistency charts. Just looking at this...
Speaker 5:
[49:01] Red means stop, we want you to stop doing that.
Speaker 4:
[49:03] Stop it. Brian Thomas Jr for Jacksonville, this is a game log that is horrific and terrifying for where he was drafted and what you saw from him.
Speaker 1:
[49:16] There's a lot more green on Parker Washington's game log.
Speaker 5:
[49:19] The Jags are hilarious. I don't know if you tuned in to last week's footcast, we were talking about Travis Hunter, the reports come out, he's going to be a full-time DB, part-time wide receiver. And right now, in Dynasty, people are trying to flip Travis Hunter. And Andy got an offer, I got an offer for Travis Hunter. I'm mad, did you get an offer, Jay? I did not. Okay, you weren't cool enough, I guess. But these were like, it's like, how do you not want Travis Hunter? The number two overall pick. And at the end of everything, Andy didn't trade for him, I didn't trade for him.
Speaker 4:
[49:59] No, and I got more offers over the weekend, and we just didn't quite get there.
Speaker 5:
[50:02] I'm saying, and then you got Brian Thomas Jr. You're like, do I want Brian Thomas? But the Jags are going to be a top-tier offense.
Speaker 4:
[50:10] They're going to be really good.
Speaker 5:
[50:11] They're going to be fantastic. And we're looking at the wide receivers like, ooh, I don't know who I want.
Speaker 4:
[50:17] What's so weird about, like you said certifiably that Abouka broke out, right?
Speaker 1:
[50:22] Yes.
Speaker 4:
[50:22] Which then, of course, Brian Thomas Jr. broke out.
Speaker 1:
[50:25] Oh, for sure. He had a, didn't he finish as the wide receiver seven in his rookie year?
Speaker 4:
[50:29] His final six games of the season, and I know it was Mac Jones and some Trevor Lawrence. But to be clear-
Speaker 5:
[50:36] Are you talking about the rookie year?
Speaker 4:
[50:37] The previous year. What we were drafting on. Here's what we were drafting on. A pace of 127 for 1,714 touchdowns. So 200 targets, 127 receptions, 1,700 yards, 14 touchdowns. That was his final six weeks, and then we're like, now figure out where to draft him in the draft. He went super high.
Speaker 1:
[50:57] He was in the conversation with Malik neighbors as far as like, town after that rookie year was like, was he just as good as his college teammate? It's almost, you can't even think like that anymore after this, after the loss of a sophomore season. You can't remember how good Brian Thomas Jr. was as a rookie, but he did that. He did that in the NFL.
Speaker 4:
[51:18] And he did it without Jacoby Myers or Travis Hunter or Parker Washington surrounding him with a different quarterback. And I, it's really hard to look at Brian Thomas and be like, I think he's just going to settle into mediocrity for his career. But that's how it feels right now. I don't feel like there's margin for anything remarkably close to those numbers in this offense when you have those other names. They just gave a huge contract to Jacoby Myers. Parker Washington has emerged. I think Travis Hunter plays offense. To me, Brian Thomas Jr, again, this is not a discussion about what he's going to do. This is where he's being drafted. And I think it's, I think he's being drafted as the wide receiver in the 20s. 20, no, maybe not. Yeah, 26. I'll go 26. I'm going to go 26.
Speaker 5:
[52:07] What do you mean, dang it? You can go 26.
Speaker 1:
[52:09] 26 was the number? Yeah, that was the number of my mind. Go with it. Come on over. I think he's wide receiver 26. Yeah. You've still got a lot of hope, a lot of youth, a lot of extreme athleticism. And we've talked about this in the past as well. It is often a good bet when you can get a discount, and you're looking at the guys that are going, falling in drafts, there's always a reason, right? The quarterback play, the talent, the age, the whatever. And then you've got to write the path forward. But the paths, when we look back at the players who dropped, and then went outstanding, just rebounded in ONE Fantasy Leagues, a lot of times they have done it before. Chris Godwin was one of these people once before in his career. Cooper Cup was one of those players where it was like, we have seen them be great before, they got injured, or they struggled, or whatever, and they were done with them. And then Cooper Cup was the number one wide receiver in all of fantasy. So I think Brian Thomas Jr. can get back, and so...
Speaker 4:
[53:08] 26 for me and Jason. What do you got, Mike?
Speaker 5:
[53:10] I'll go 24.
Speaker 4:
[53:12] The answer is the wide receiver 31.
Speaker 5:
[53:14] Oh my gosh. In the sixth round. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4:
[53:17] He is still being drafted head of Parker Washington, who's wide receiver 35, Jacoby Myers, who's wide receiver 41. I'm assuming Travis Hunter is nowhere to be found.
Speaker 5:
[53:26] Oh.
Speaker 4:
[53:28] Wide receiver 64. So that is.
Speaker 1:
[53:32] I mean, if I take a shot on one of those guys.
Speaker 4:
[53:34] He's the most complete package of the group.
Speaker 1:
[53:36] I definitely take the shot on Brian Thomas Jr. How can you have an offense that good and no one being drafted in the top 30 at wide receiver?
Speaker 5:
[53:41] There is gold in the hills, boys.
Speaker 4:
[53:44] I mean, that's like my guy calling your name, Jay, Brian Thomas.
Speaker 1:
[53:48] Nice try.
Speaker 4:
[53:49] No, I almost said it for me, but it's more you.
Speaker 1:
[53:52] I know what you're saying. We're talking about these ambiguous, it works both in the wide receiver corps and in the running back room. You want a good offense and you don't know where it's going to come from. This is a wide receiver group that you're like, well, there's too many mouths to feed here. I'm not sure who could break out. So we're going to draft none of them. Except if you say one of these guys, Brian Thomas Jr, Parker Washington, Jacoby Myers was going to be a top 15 wide receiver in fantasy.
Speaker 4:
[54:19] BTJ.
Speaker 5:
[54:20] Of course it's going to be Brian Thomas Jr. What if I told you that after the bi-week, so we're talking weeks nine through 18, this is for a football season, that's a decent sample. There's no Travis Sonser because he was already hurt. The target share, Jacoby 21 percent, Parker Washington 21 percent, Brenton Strange 16 percent, Brian Thomas Jr. I don't know if you're doing the math, we're running out of targets.
Speaker 1:
[54:47] We're running out of percents.
Speaker 4:
[54:48] We're running out of time.
Speaker 5:
[54:51] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[54:52] He was not running. It was a different office, different head coach, different coordinator than the year before.
Speaker 5:
[54:58] To have, they have the bi-week and they go, because weeks one through seven, Brian Thomas was the dominant.
Speaker 1:
[55:10] Here's why I think this happened mid-season. I don't blame them at all for making that transition.
Speaker 5:
[55:14] Because he was stinky.
Speaker 1:
[55:15] Because the first seven weeks up to the bi-week, he was on target for 133 targets. Great. He was, like you said, the market share was great. He was everything we wanted in Fantasy, except he caught less than half of those balls. He was 49% catch rate. It was ruining drives.
Speaker 5:
[55:32] Okay, now let me also add this in.
Speaker 1:
[55:33] And so they go into the bi-week and they're like, we gotta fix this.
Speaker 5:
[55:35] Right, and then they're like, hey, this is the new plan moving forward. And then they go eight and one.
Speaker 1:
[55:40] So now they go to the off-season and they get to do anything they want. I am because I think-
Speaker 4:
[55:47] There is a non-zero chance that he's traded on Thursday.
Speaker 1:
[55:50] Ooh, that's-
Speaker 5:
[55:52] I think he stays on the team.
Speaker 4:
[55:53] I mean, again, I'm not saying the odds are that that happens. I'm just saying there's been enough smoke for a year and a half.
Speaker 5:
[55:59] You can't be the inside of those like, don't be shocked if this happens.
Speaker 4:
[56:03] You're like, I'm not an insider.
Speaker 5:
[56:04] Is it gonna happen? No, but don't be shocked. And remember, I told you not to be shocked.
Speaker 4:
[56:11] I think that there's room for this team. You just made the case why they can succeed without it. That's what you just did.
Speaker 5:
[56:18] It's like...
Speaker 4:
[56:21] Because they can use Travis Hunter, who they didn't have.
Speaker 5:
[56:24] That will be a very wild mystery to solve this offseason.
Speaker 4:
[56:29] All right, real quick here, let's do one more name. Just guess the ADP of where Colston Loveland is going right now. Colston Loveland.
Speaker 6:
[56:36] Too low, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 5:
[56:37] Am I right, Jay?
Speaker 9:
[56:40] Maybe.
Speaker 4:
[56:44] Pointed at Jay.
Speaker 5:
[56:46] I don't know.
Speaker 4:
[56:48] Mr. Loveland himself. I'm going to say he's the tight end three.
Speaker 5:
[56:53] Three.
Speaker 4:
[56:54] Three.
Speaker 5:
[56:54] Yeah, as much as we all love Colston Loveland, you can't draft him over McBrider-Bowers.
Speaker 4:
[57:00] No. But I think he's the next man up.
Speaker 5:
[57:02] And let's put him to where he's going.
Speaker 1:
[57:04] Depending on Daniel Jones. I still think I might go Tyler Warren over him. But yeah, I probably-
Speaker 5:
[57:08] Stop this nonsense.
Speaker 1:
[57:10] It's not nonsense, man. He was great. They were both great. They could both be great.
Speaker 5:
[57:15] No, they can't. There could be only one.
Speaker 4:
[57:17] What round?
Speaker 5:
[57:19] Colston Loveland is going, I'll say third round.
Speaker 1:
[57:22] I think it'll be lower. I still think- Early fourth. But yeah, late fourth.
Speaker 5:
[57:28] All right.
Speaker 4:
[57:28] Where are we with Colston Loveland? Right now, he is the tight end three going in the-
Speaker 1:
[57:32] Whoa, too low.
Speaker 5:
[57:32] I told you.
Speaker 4:
[57:33] Fourth round.
Speaker 1:
[57:34] But still the tight end three. I think that's appropriate. I think that's, if you really look at-
Speaker 5:
[57:37] I think it's inappropriate.
Speaker 4:
[57:38] That's like Mr. Like Land.
Speaker 5:
[57:40] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[57:41] That's not good enough.
Speaker 5:
[57:41] Get on board, people.
Speaker 1:
[57:42] At the fourth round-
Speaker 5:
[57:44] There's a dog in the back of the fourth waiting for you.
Speaker 1:
[57:48] With a lot of good talent.
Speaker 4:
[57:49] I'm with you, Mike. Let's ride.
Speaker 1:
[57:51] I'll be going elsewhere. I'll be grabbing a running back or a wide receiver.
Speaker 4:
[57:55] It's funny because I have, for those of you that follow along with our League of Record and what we do in that league, we have a keeper lottery. You have one franchise player and then you have three players that go into a keeper lottery. They can't match the position group of the franchise player. Then when the draft is over, we're going to find out what player is going back. My three keepers are Omari and Hampton.
Speaker 5:
[58:18] This is your lottery?
Speaker 4:
[58:19] Yeah, my lottery. Omari and Hampton, Kenneth Walker and Colston Loveland. So by all measures, I want to lose Loveland in that draft.
Speaker 5:
[58:27] Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:
[58:28] Except what about the measure of your heart?
Speaker 4:
[58:30] The measure of my heart wants that dog on my team.
Speaker 8:
[58:32] I want that dog.
Speaker 1:
[58:34] Well, the good news is you won't be too disappointed then.
Speaker 4:
[58:38] Yeah, I think that puts me in a better spot if I'm having to give back or running back. But-
Speaker 1:
[58:44] Oh gosh, I got to lock in my keepers.
Speaker 4:
[58:46] Do you have any?
Speaker 1:
[58:47] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[58:48] No, that's good.
Speaker 5:
[58:48] You got good ones?
Speaker 4:
[58:49] You got good ones? I got some good good. Why don't you share?
Speaker 7:
[58:51] You got some good good. I got some good good.
Speaker 4:
[58:53] By the way, I think my franchise is going to be Malik Neighbors, I think.
Speaker 5:
[58:57] Oh, man. Dance with the devil.
Speaker 4:
[58:59] But if I get shaky legs by the end of this draft, maybe I mix it up, maybe I.
Speaker 5:
[59:04] You don't have very long.
Speaker 4:
[59:06] I know.
Speaker 5:
[59:07] That's, it's Saturday.
Speaker 4:
[59:09] Here's what shaky legs will be. They draft Jordan Tyson.
Speaker 5:
[59:15] They will draft one of the three.
Speaker 4:
[59:17] I know.
Speaker 5:
[59:20] I think it's Tyson.
Speaker 4:
[59:21] Well, maybe Hanton becomes some franchise, I don't know. Hold me. I don't know. This is why the draft, this is why we do this after the draft. It's because we don't want to force somebody to make those picks.
Speaker 5:
[59:32] Give Tyler Shuck and Jackson Dart one of them.
Speaker 4:
[59:37] Weapons.
Speaker 5:
[59:38] One of them.
Speaker 1:
[59:39] I think I've got to risk Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 6:
[59:43] Oh. Break it down.
Speaker 4:
[59:45] What do you think your setup is going to be?
Speaker 5:
[59:48] I don't know.
Speaker 1:
[59:48] Let's workshop this.
Speaker 4:
[59:50] We got a couple minutes.
Speaker 1:
[59:50] Okay. So, this is work out some personal problems. My two best players are CD Lamb and Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 4:
[60:00] Okay. Only one of those could be a franchise.
Speaker 1:
[60:03] Right. Then my other players, I've got Josh Jacobs, Travis Etienne.
Speaker 4:
[60:09] What's that?
Speaker 1:
[60:10] Oh, Travis A. Chan.
Speaker 4:
[60:11] A.
Speaker 1:
[60:11] Chan Jr. Travis A. Chan Jr. And I guess David Montgomery.
Speaker 4:
[60:14] Or as I call him.
Speaker 7:
[60:16] Rumb-a-Laya.
Speaker 3:
[60:17] Rumb-a-Laya.
Speaker 4:
[60:18] Does that make you want to keep him more?
Speaker 1:
[60:20] It does make me want to keep him more. I would much rather have Rumb-a-Laya than-
Speaker 5:
[60:22] Andy hit us with a Rumb-a-Laya at lunch the other day and I was like, this is fantastic.
Speaker 4:
[60:25] Rumb-a-Laya is better than learning his name.
Speaker 1:
[60:29] And then I've got-
Speaker 5:
[60:31] We're so dumb.
Speaker 1:
[60:32] I've got Chris Olave and Roma Dunze. So it feels like my strength is at the running back.
Speaker 4:
[60:38] Yeah, you gotta try to get a run, I mean, a pair of running backs. You're not gonna be that unhappy in any combo.
Speaker 1:
[60:45] I'll be pretty unhappy if I lose Jonathan Taylor. Okay.
Speaker 4:
[60:50] Mike Scott, CMC.
Speaker 5:
[60:52] I will- My three for those- I have Bijan, McCaffrey and Chase Brown are my three lottoes.
Speaker 1:
[60:59] One of those is not like the other.
Speaker 5:
[61:00] The draft could be-
Speaker 4:
[61:01] What are your three?
Speaker 5:
[61:02] Bijan, Christian McCaffrey, Chase Brown. So our draft could have Bijan and Johnny Taylor in there.
Speaker 1:
[61:08] Please have- You cannot lose Chase Brown. I will be so upset.
Speaker 4:
[61:13] What do you got, Al? What's your situation?
Speaker 1:
[61:15] Who's Mike's franchise? Oh, Jamar Chess.
Speaker 5:
[61:17] Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[61:18] My franchise. More than likely, it will be Trey McBride franchise, Drake London, Garrett Wilson and Quincheon Judkins.
Speaker 5:
[61:26] Okay. Okay.
Speaker 4:
[61:28] That's a good franchise. Do we got one more dude in the office? Papa Josh, let's hear it. It's TBD still.
Speaker 5:
[61:36] Wow.
Speaker 4:
[61:38] You don't have a clue on your franchise players?
Speaker 1:
[61:39] No, we're waffling big time.
Speaker 4:
[61:41] Give me the players you're waffling between.
Speaker 1:
[61:43] We can help you out.
Speaker 4:
[61:44] Yeah, we got you. We do this full-time.
Speaker 1:
[61:46] We're friends.
Speaker 5:
[61:46] I'm good. I don't trust you guys.
Speaker 3:
[61:49] I don't trust you guys.
Speaker 4:
[61:50] No, you're going to have to wait and find out.
Speaker 5:
[61:52] Fine.
Speaker 4:
[61:52] I'm going to have to pull this up.
Speaker 5:
[61:53] We can't manipulate your system.
Speaker 1:
[61:55] Why don't you pull it up, Andy?
Speaker 5:
[61:56] We'll talk about it.
Speaker 1:
[61:57] We legit haven't decided yet.
Speaker 4:
[61:58] Okay. No, I'm pulling it up right now because you didn't want to tell us.
Speaker 1:
[62:02] Don't you worry.
Speaker 4:
[62:03] We got you. Here he is. He's probably going to franchise.
Speaker 6:
[62:08] Yeah, you see what I'm talking about?
Speaker 4:
[62:10] He has Pukka Nakua and he has Amanra.
Speaker 5:
[62:13] Okay.
Speaker 1:
[62:14] Which means if you franchise one of those guys, you cannot keep the other in your lottery because they have to be different positions. So then if he were to-
Speaker 4:
[62:20] Then his running backs are his best running backs like Kyron.
Speaker 1:
[62:23] Kyron for sure.
Speaker 4:
[62:24] And Javante and Bucky.
Speaker 6:
[62:27] He could franchise Tyler Warren.
Speaker 4:
[62:29] He could franchise Tyler Warren.
Speaker 6:
[62:30] That gives him flexibility.
Speaker 1:
[62:31] He also has Rushy Rice.
Speaker 4:
[62:32] Go Pukka, Amanra, Kyron.
Speaker 6:
[62:34] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[62:34] Or Rushy Rice.
Speaker 4:
[62:36] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[62:37] You've got some decisions to make.
Speaker 6:
[62:39] That's why I wasn't joking, man.
Speaker 1:
[62:40] I don't know what I'm doing yet. I think I would franchise Kyron, put Pukka, Amanra and Rushy Rice in line. That's probably what we're leaning for, to be honest.
Speaker 4:
[62:48] I think I'd franchise one of the... I think I'd franchise Pukka, my number one wide receiver.
Speaker 1:
[62:53] Really? And throw back...
Speaker 4:
[62:54] And then I'd throw Warren, Warren, Kyron, Bucky for my three.
Speaker 1:
[62:59] I would do that too if I were you. No.
Speaker 4:
[63:02] What would you do, Mike?
Speaker 1:
[63:05] I lean...
Speaker 5:
[63:07] I lean what Jason said.
Speaker 1:
[63:08] Okay.
Speaker 5:
[63:09] I mean, it's...
Speaker 4:
[63:09] What you guys make out.
Speaker 5:
[63:11] It's...
Speaker 4:
[63:11] The players go to that Sedona Resort.
Speaker 5:
[63:14] It's a... You have a 33% chance of losing the player you don't want to lose. Those are good odds. ultimatedraftkid.com, get in the contest.
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