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Speaker 1:
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Speaker 4:
[02:12] Welcome back, everyone, to Karma and Chaos podcast. Good morning, good evening, good day, good night. Coming at you live from Dover, Delaware. This is the last time we're recording in this house.
Speaker 1:
[02:25] Yeah, wow, this has been a fun journey, having Karma and Chaos, but I guess this is where it all ends.
Speaker 4:
[02:31] Okay, that's not true.
Speaker 1:
[02:33] I'm lying, I'm just kidding. But we are sitting with our friend Morgan, who I met through Becky, who went to college with Becky.
Speaker 4:
[02:40] That's the worst intro ever.
Speaker 1:
[02:42] Why is that the worst intro?
Speaker 5:
[02:43] That's the worst intro.
Speaker 1:
[02:44] Our friend Morgan, who went to college with Becky.
Speaker 4:
[02:46] Morgan is my best friend.
Speaker 5:
[02:50] Kail, you just gotta say how you know me, so I get it.
Speaker 1:
[02:52] Thank you.
Speaker 4:
[02:53] Anyway, guys, this is...
Speaker 1:
[02:56] Good morning.
Speaker 4:
[02:57] Morgan was my college roommate all four years. I'm happy to have her here because, you know, Morgan knows a lot about me more than probably everyone in this room put together.
Speaker 1:
[03:10] Did you guys go into college not knowing who each other was?
Speaker 4:
[03:13] Morgan, why don't you tell her the story of how we met?
Speaker 5:
[03:14] I knew this was gonna come up within the first five minutes.
Speaker 1:
[03:17] First of all, y'all went to ESU, which is East Stroudsburg University, so...
Speaker 5:
[03:21] Becky would call me a loser. We were standing in the physical line for sports, right? Because I went to college and played lacrosse. Becky, dual athlete over here. So we were standing there, and I didn't know anyone. So I'm standing there awkwardly, like, with my phone, just looking around, well, Becky's having this really cool conversation with this girl in front of me, and I'm like, I want to be a part of that conversation. So here I'm just listening, like, completely eavesdropping, and just start inserting myself in the conversation.
Speaker 1:
[03:47] Oh, I do that every day.
Speaker 5:
[03:47] And they literally looked around and they were like, who the hell are you?
Speaker 1:
[03:50] They said that to you?
Speaker 5:
[03:52] Out loud? In other words, 100 percent. And then Becky was just like, oh, we're actually trying to get people to come to this basketball event. You want to, like, come around campus with us and, like, walk around and try to recruit people to come? And I was like, yeah. So I left and I was like, I got two friends. And I told my parents. They were like, I got two friends of you.
Speaker 4:
[04:10] And we were inseparable.
Speaker 1:
[04:12] Did you know she was your roommate at that time?
Speaker 4:
[04:14] Oh, we didn't live together.
Speaker 5:
[04:15] Well, no, we didn't.
Speaker 4:
[04:17] Morgan lived on my fruit town in my, in her room.
Speaker 1:
[04:20] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[04:21] What?
Speaker 4:
[04:21] We were roommates for four of the five years, not our freshman year, but we were best friends freshman year.
Speaker 1:
[04:26] So did you get to pick your roommate the following year then?
Speaker 5:
[04:28] Yeah, we moved off campus.
Speaker 4:
[04:31] Jinks.
Speaker 1:
[04:32] And their last names were so cool, Hayter and Holler. That's really cool.
Speaker 4:
[04:37] That's what we were like known, like we were known as, like we weren't known individually on campus. We were known as one.
Speaker 5:
[04:44] I don't think people knew our first names. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[04:45] It was just Hayter and Holler?
Speaker 5:
[04:46] It was just Holler and Hayter. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[04:48] I met you in 2012, maybe? Maybe 13. Somewhere around there. It was really early. I mean, it was a long time ago. When was the wedding?
Speaker 5:
[04:58] Because that's when?
Speaker 1:
[04:59] The wedding? 2013?
Speaker 5:
[05:02] Yeah. 2013. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[05:03] Wow. That's cool. That's a long time.
Speaker 5:
[05:07] It is a long time. I don't think I've seen you in 10 years.
Speaker 1:
[05:11] No. I saw you at- Go ahead. We went somewhere and we were at a hotel, and then I saw Holly, who I went to high school with, and she was there and I didn't recognize her, and then she told me who she was with the red hair.
Speaker 5:
[05:24] I don't know this hotel though.
Speaker 1:
[05:25] Yes, you do. You were there. Then I also went to your house in Dover.
Speaker 5:
[05:30] Oh, well, yeah.
Speaker 1:
[05:30] So it's definitely been more than 10 years since I've seen you. I mean, less than 10 years.
Speaker 5:
[05:33] July 4th party at your house before the July party.
Speaker 1:
[05:36] Oh, and those were way- Okay.
Speaker 4:
[05:38] No, those were-
Speaker 5:
[05:39] I mean, those were like 26.
Speaker 4:
[05:41] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[05:42] No.
Speaker 4:
[05:42] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[05:42] But what was this event? Was it the For The Hayters event maybe?
Speaker 4:
[05:48] That was almost 10 years ago.
Speaker 1:
[05:50] No.
Speaker 4:
[05:50] It was 2018.
Speaker 5:
[05:52] It would have been the For The Hayters event, right?
Speaker 1:
[05:55] That was literally like six years ago.
Speaker 4:
[05:57] It was eight years ago. Anyways, Morgan decided to join us. She still lives in Delaware, so she was like, oh, I'm going to come, and I'm like, I'm going to make her come on this podcast with us.
Speaker 1:
[06:07] I can't wait to hear college stories. I'm going to live curiously through you guys.
Speaker 4:
[06:11] That is what this episode- you guys are in for a treat, because Morgan and I have lived many lives together.
Speaker 1:
[06:19] Are you drinking alcohol out of shoes with her?
Speaker 5:
[06:22] Yeah. I mean, did you go to ESU if you didn't?
Speaker 4:
[06:26] Morgan and I also- Morgan just had a baby as well, which is so ironic. There's irony. Morgan and Amanda and I were the three musketeers in college, and the three of us all had boys last year.
Speaker 1:
[06:40] That's so cool. So you're friends with Amanda also?
Speaker 5:
[06:42] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[06:43] Oh, okay.
Speaker 4:
[06:44] Anyway.
Speaker 5:
[06:44] So we all had sons within nine months of each other. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[06:47] And it's been like a journey of- it's been cool because we've been able to bond more throughout this process. It is crazy to me of how much you don't understand of parenthood until you're a parent.
Speaker 1:
[07:05] You're in the fucking trenches.
Speaker 5:
[07:06] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[07:09] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[07:10] Yeah, Sasha's five months old. Yeah. It's rough.
Speaker 4:
[07:12] And having friends to go through it with is just makes it so much easier. Because all we do is bitching our group chat together about-
Speaker 5:
[07:20] Yeah. Or I'll be like, hey, so is this normal that happens at 16 weeks? And Becky's like, yeah, Leah and I, we blacked it out. We don't talk about that timeframe.
Speaker 1:
[07:28] My sister had a baby, her second baby, the beginning of- no, the end of March, and she texted me and she said, I don't know how you did this so many times. She's in the trenches.
Speaker 5:
[07:38] I don't know if I want a second.
Speaker 1:
[07:40] Well, what's up is like, none of my friends really had kids, so I was going through the trenches by myself.
Speaker 5:
[07:47] Yeah.
Speaker 2:
[07:47] But you can't even relate.
Speaker 1:
[07:48] No, you can't.
Speaker 4:
[07:49] You can't. You cannot comprehend it until you're in it.
Speaker 1:
[07:57] And what's crazy about it though is like, I'll be honest, and I've said this before, so don't crucify me this time, the first year is not my favorite. Like, I low key had a love-hate relationship with it because it's like, they're cute and like, you're so happy to have this child, but like, it's so fucking hard in that first year that like, the responsibility of it, it was rough.
Speaker 5:
[08:17] Yeah. I mean, I think it's like, I deal with more identifying issues of myself.
Speaker 1:
[08:23] Like, you don't, you're not who you once were.
Speaker 5:
[08:25] Yeah. And like, when I was in my third trimester of like, oh, I can't wait to feel like myself again in three months. I can't wait to like get a little bit part, like a part of me back, right?
Speaker 1:
[08:34] No. It takes two years.
Speaker 5:
[08:35] Why didn't anyone slap me in the face and be like, you don't get that person back?
Speaker 1:
[08:38] You will in two years.
Speaker 5:
[08:40] In two years. Okay.
Speaker 1:
[08:41] Yeah. I would say like around the age of like two, three years old, you'll feel like yourself again. But then you might be thinking about another one at that point. That's what happened to me. The saying, you got your pink back, like how flamingos get their pink back, whatever. You start to feel more like yourself. You'll never be what you used to be ever. That will never come back. And I'm not saying that in a negative way. I think there's positives to that. But you'll start to feel a little bit better around the two-year mark. The twins are just about two and a half, and I'm starting to feel better.
Speaker 5:
[09:12] Okay. Well, that gives me hope.
Speaker 1:
[09:13] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[09:13] You're the light at the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 1:
[09:16] I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:
[09:16] My favorite thing about motherhood, I truly, I cannot, it's cuteness aggression of when Bex learns new things. He does this new thing where he laughs and throws his head back, and it's so freaking cute. I just want to squeeze him. Yeah, I do bite his, I nipple on his ears sometimes.
Speaker 1:
[09:38] But I also think because he's about to be one, so he's almost a toddler.
Speaker 4:
[09:42] Yeah. Things change at, I would say, seven months is when it starts feeling a personality is forming. Nine months, it's like, oh, yeah, you're funny. And then I think it just grows from there. But before seven months, count me out.
Speaker 1:
[09:59] Before one, count me out. Before one, count me the fuck out.
Speaker 4:
[10:05] Morgan, you're still, he's only five months old.
Speaker 5:
[10:08] He's five months old. I mean, he's got a personality. Yeah, he's a little cutie, little styles boy. But no, I would say probably my favorite thing is when I watched Josh teach him something. So we taught him how to turn the page of a book. Oh, cute. Which is like, he doesn't know what he's doing.
Speaker 1:
[10:21] Right.
Speaker 5:
[10:21] But it's just the memory of you can read a book to him and he'll literally take his hand out and flip the page. So it's like, okay, like you're a person kind of. Yeah. So like it makes those like tough nights a little easier because you're like, all right, you're pretty cute.
Speaker 1:
[10:34] Does he sleep through the night or no?
Speaker 5:
[10:36] He wakes up like once a night. So I can't complain.
Speaker 1:
[10:38] Right.
Speaker 5:
[10:38] I can't complain. But she picked a good partner too.
Speaker 1:
[10:42] So the partner you pick will change your entire experience. Yeah. And I fucking hate reading shit online when they're like, well, you knew this before when you picked them. And it's like, no, actually, you have an amazing relationship with someone and you have a baby and that first year will show you exactly who the fuck that person is.
Speaker 5:
[10:59] Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
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Speaker 5:
[11:52] No, I mean, and I had a C-section, so not what I planned on for birth and stuff, and knowing how Josh stepped up of like, okay, you can't do this, you can't move here, you can't pick stiles up from the crib and things like that, it was just, I mean, it was nice. And he went back to work after two weeks, which was kind of crazy, but he worked from home, so it was helpful where he could come around and, Josh is great.
Speaker 4:
[12:15] Josh is a silly, goofy guy. He is such a goofy guy. Yeah, he's like, he's like a theatrical, not like, he's not a theater guy, but like, animated? Yeah, he's very animated.
Speaker 5:
[12:26] He's literally silly Uncle Josh to everyone.
Speaker 1:
[12:28] Okay, love that.
Speaker 5:
[12:28] And that is just his persona.
Speaker 1:
[12:29] And you need that when you're in the trenches of motherhood, because you're like, I'm deep, dark, tired, pulling my hair out, and I need that little.
Speaker 5:
[12:36] Well, people used to be like, how are you and Josh doing, right? Because like, things change. And like, your dynamic changes, your relationship, like your intimacy, everything, right? And I literally would respond to be like, I still find him funny some days. Like, we've got to be doing, like, okay. Silver linings.
Speaker 1:
[12:50] He's funny sometimes, you know?
Speaker 5:
[12:51] I'm still laughing at his jokes. I think we're doing okay. Trust me, they're corny.
Speaker 1:
[12:58] Dad jokes.
Speaker 5:
[12:59] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[13:00] Speaking of Josh, like Morgan's wedding, I was in Morgan's wedding.
Speaker 1:
[13:05] Did you wear a suit on her side?
Speaker 4:
[13:06] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[13:06] I love that.
Speaker 4:
[13:07] I wore a, what color was it? Sage green. Sage green suit on her side. And that's what the bridesmaids had. The bridesmaids are really cute. I was hysterically crying, like the entire set. And I'm like standing up there. My eyes are like, what, thinking about it? Because I was literally, like, I was a mess.
Speaker 1:
[13:27] Like, just so happy for them?
Speaker 4:
[13:28] It was just, because Morgan's had, like, troubled past relationships. And I've, like, watched her throughout her entire life. And like, I was, I was, like, uncontrollably sobbing when I turned around, like, during the ceremony, because, like, I couldn't hold it together. And Amanda was behind me, and she just kept, like, pinching me, trying to get me to, like, Snap out of it. Get it together. I was a mess.
Speaker 5:
[13:55] I don't think there's a single photo from the actual ceremony where she's not crying.
Speaker 4:
[13:59] I was, because-
Speaker 5:
[14:00] Between her and my mom.
Speaker 4:
[14:01] Because Josh was, like, Josh was saying his- Yeah, they did pers- Josh said, I'll never forget-
Speaker 1:
[14:06] What is personal vows?
Speaker 2:
[14:08] Like, sometimes-
Speaker 4:
[14:09] We wrote our own. Josh said, like, you know, being in love with Morgan is like standing in a stadium, like, where everyone's cheering for you or something.
Speaker 1:
[14:16] I'll cry right now. Please don't.
Speaker 4:
[14:18] And I was just- I was like, oh my God. And I was sobbing. I, like, could not hold it together. And then Morgan's wedding was the first wedding that we did, the warming of the rings at ours because her wedding was the first one. And I've been to a lot of fucking weddings, warming of the rings.
Speaker 5:
[14:36] So you take your wedding band and you put it in, like, a little bag or something and you share it with whoever you want in the, like, audience or not the audience, but your guests, right? So, like, your officiant has them, they hand them to the first person, and it basically our wedding rings went through our immediate family members. So they held them, prayed with them if they wanted to, if that's your thing, or just said some, like, positive things to, like, welcome our marriage with our closest people. And they warm them, so they went on, well, like, when they went on our hands, it was like, hey, we're standing with you in this moment.
Speaker 6:
[15:09] I've been, like, I was just...
Speaker 1:
[15:11] Why would you say that?
Speaker 4:
[15:13] Dude, I was a mess, because, like...
Speaker 5:
[15:15] It's been 10 minutes, and you're crying.
Speaker 4:
[15:17] She, she had, um, like, her nana was, like, a saint of a woman, and, like, she was thankfully there at the time, too, and, like, she was old, so, like, you knew that. It was just, like, I was just so thankful that she was there, even Uncle Mark and everyone. So, watching these rings get passed through, like, all her favorite people, and I never have heard-
Speaker 5:
[15:36] And then we did it with the wedding party, too. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[15:37] And then they passed through us, dude. I was, I was so mad.
Speaker 1:
[15:41] How could you be normal? How could you be normal? Were you not crying? I can't get married in front of people because I'll just cry all my makeup off. There's no reason for anyone to come to my wedding.
Speaker 5:
[15:52] I think, like, you- Compartmentalize completely with that.
Speaker 4:
[15:54] You surely have been married in front of people, so-
Speaker 1:
[15:56] I didn't like it that much.
Speaker 5:
[15:57] We were both there.
Speaker 2:
[16:00] You were at the wedding?
Speaker 5:
[16:01] Yeah, it was your date. You don't remember buying the leaf blower afterwards?
Speaker 6:
[16:08] Oh, yeah, I do remember that.
Speaker 1:
[16:09] Yeah, I didn't like him that much. Like, I was questioning, like, should I even be doing it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5:
[16:14] Yeah, but they were cool animals, so it was fun to be there.
Speaker 4:
[16:16] It was a cool vibe. I blacked out. Listen to this. I blacked out so hard at her wedding because I had to be there when everyone else had to be there at 7 a.m. to get their hair and makeup done. Like me, I did my own hair and makeup, you know? And so I was drinking, and the whole time, we ended up going to a bar after, and there were pictures of me arm wrestling dudes at the bar. Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[16:40] And I was beating everyone.
Speaker 4:
[16:42] I literally blacked out. I do not remember. And I don't black out often. I normally am very in control of my alcohol. And I don't remember a lick of it. There's pictures, knock, knock, no one is home.
Speaker 1:
[16:56] No one is home.
Speaker 4:
[16:57] No one. It's so funny.
Speaker 1:
[16:59] It's kind of like that post I made, knock, knock, who's there? Not our dads.
Speaker 4:
[17:05] Speaking of, my dad was at her wedding and there's like really, like, amazing photos of like them two dancing.
Speaker 1:
[17:11] And like, yeah.
Speaker 5:
[17:12] It was a good one of you, or like him and your mom and like you and him.
Speaker 4:
[17:15] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[17:16] Yeah. There's some really, really good ones.
Speaker 4:
[17:18] Really great. And it was, the location was beautiful too.
Speaker 5:
[17:21] Vanderwaan Acres in Seaford.
Speaker 1:
[17:23] I've never heard of it.
Speaker 5:
[17:24] Yeah. It's like an old creamery.
Speaker 4:
[17:25] Anyway, that was fun. Morgan and I also used to drive around and switch people's Christmas decorations.
Speaker 3:
[17:30] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[17:30] What do you mean?
Speaker 5:
[17:31] So like we would drive in my car.
Speaker 1:
[17:33] This doesn't surprise me from her. It surprises me about you. Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[17:37] Pretty sure it was my idea. Literally. No, literally. So Becky came to visit one. It was winter break and it was Danielle, my best friends. Yeah. We would drive around and take people's Christmas decorations.
Speaker 1:
[17:50] We had a sleepover. We had a sleepover at my house, my old house, my first house in Dover. And Danielle was there and it was, thanks mom and dad.
Speaker 5:
[18:02] First of all, thanks mom and dad.
Speaker 1:
[18:04] She's a mom.
Speaker 5:
[18:05] She's a mom. Danielle. To baby Isla.
Speaker 1:
[18:09] Okay. Anyways, tell your story.
Speaker 5:
[18:10] Yeah. No, we just used to steal decorations. So if we saw like 10 houses apart, we would take that house's decorations, like blow-ups and put them down at this house.
Speaker 1:
[18:19] And not get caught?
Speaker 5:
[18:20] No, never happened.
Speaker 4:
[18:21] It was horrible. But they would be like next to each other. So like we would just switch.
Speaker 1:
[18:24] Do you think they noticed?
Speaker 5:
[18:26] Yeah, I mean, I think so. We're talking about blow-ups. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[18:29] Yeah, but like if you have a blow-up and then it gets replaced by somebody else's blow-up, I'm not thinking anything of it.
Speaker 5:
[18:33] You know what I mean? What if it's like a minion and then all of a sudden you get a reindeer?
Speaker 1:
[18:36] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[18:37] It was so fun.
Speaker 1:
[18:38] You're in college.
Speaker 5:
[18:39] Oh no, this is all Dover. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[18:43] That was so much fun. We were sprinting away from the one house and Morgan was like 10 feet in front of me and she turns around, she's sprinting, she's like, Hayter, ditch! And I'm like, and I tried to jump over it and I didn't get enough speed and I landed fees first.
Speaker 5:
[18:59] I literally just watched her like falling a two by four into the ditch.
Speaker 1:
[19:03] Just ate shit.
Speaker 5:
[19:04] Ate shit. And then we did take a yield sign. Oh yeah, I jumped out of it.
Speaker 4:
[19:09] I used to be, I can't, there has to be some statuette limitations to this, right? Because it was more than 10 years ago.
Speaker 5:
[19:15] Oh, for sure.
Speaker 4:
[19:15] I was like a sign stealer. Like a, like my, like, yeah. Like, so we, I jumped on the back of a truck and I fell off it.
Speaker 5:
[19:22] That yield sign is in my nephew's bedroom right now.
Speaker 1:
[19:26] I love that. So it's really in a family heirloom at this point. Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[19:29] Yeah. It's hanging up in his room.
Speaker 1:
[19:31] I love that.
Speaker 5:
[19:32] Yeah. Well, so, we don't do that anymore though. So we grew up a little bit.
Speaker 1:
[19:37] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[19:37] Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:
[19:38] Buy your tickets. If you haven't yet, get them though. We'll be sold out by the end of the month. I'm speaking that into existence. So this is your sign.
Speaker 4:
[19:46] I lived in Ocean City, Maryland for a summer because that's what you did.
Speaker 1:
[19:50] No, I never did that.
Speaker 4:
[19:51] Okay. That's what people without kids did. They moved to a beach town to live for the summer in between college.
Speaker 1:
[19:58] No, that's privilege.
Speaker 4:
[19:59] I know that that's privilege, but I worked down there. Like I got a job in Ocean City, Maryland.
Speaker 1:
[20:04] But you said that's what people did. Nobody did that.
Speaker 4:
[20:06] Yes. People do that.
Speaker 1:
[20:08] Yes.
Speaker 4:
[20:09] People move to beach towns to work for the summer.
Speaker 1:
[20:11] It's giving up for 1%.
Speaker 4:
[20:12] No, it's not. People literally, like people that work in Ocean City, Maryland work there.
Speaker 1:
[20:17] People that are listening to this podcast did not do that.
Speaker 4:
[20:20] No, that's not a privileged thing to do. You're working because you're following the money. Beach towns make a lot of money in the summer. People make their entire year salary working, bartending at a beach town for the summer. I did it between my undergrad and my masters. I lived with Kim and Spencer.
Speaker 1:
[20:40] Kim, like your ex-girlfriend Kim?
Speaker 4:
[20:42] Yes. We had so much fun.
Speaker 5:
[20:46] There were like three houses of ESU people down in Ocean City. Danny and I lived in Roebeth at the time.
Speaker 4:
[20:52] Yeah, we're that, remember?
Speaker 1:
[21:00] Yeah, obviously, because it was when I went to live at the beach.
Speaker 4:
[21:03] I had a one-night stand with this girl.
Speaker 1:
[21:07] Have you had a lot of one-night stands?
Speaker 4:
[21:09] I've had a few.
Speaker 1:
[21:11] Will you tell the orgy story?
Speaker 4:
[21:13] No, I want to tell this story first. So it was after Kim and I broke up.
Speaker 5:
[21:19] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[21:20] And I was devastated. I was so upset. I went to visit Morgan in Roebeth. We went to the Purple Parrot. And I was standing there.
Speaker 1:
[21:26] You know who used to work there?
Speaker 4:
[21:28] Who?
Speaker 1:
[21:28] Tom from Dude Dads. He used to work at the Purple Parrot. Yes. And he always talks about it. It's a gay bar or like a gay.
Speaker 5:
[21:34] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[21:35] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[21:35] He used to work there.
Speaker 5:
[21:36] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[21:36] So it's not a gay bar. It's a gay town. So like everything.
Speaker 5:
[21:39] No, Purple Parrot is a gay bar. And it is an original Pink Pony Club place. What's Pink Pony?
Speaker 1:
[21:44] I just learned this.
Speaker 5:
[21:46] Pink Pony Club?
Speaker 1:
[21:47] Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 5:
[21:48] Do you know the prep?
Speaker 2:
[21:49] Pink Pony Club.
Speaker 4:
[21:51] I'm going to keep on dancing at the Pink Pony Club. The Pink Pony Club is a...
Speaker 1:
[21:59] I just learned who she was last year.
Speaker 4:
[22:01] So it means like a place where people are free to be themselves.
Speaker 1:
[22:05] What, what means?
Speaker 4:
[22:06] Pink Pony Club. That's what the song is about.
Speaker 1:
[22:08] I love that. Yeah, that's cute. Okay, I just got Biologica today. I got two different options to try because I feel like I'm struggling with a lot and I didn't really know. So I just got two to try both. And if there's a version of you that sleeps for the night, thinks clearly and actually feels like yourself again, you haven't lost her. You just need support that's built for your body. That's why I ordered Biologica. I'm super excited to try this because you guys know I've been overwhelmed with stress. I think that's why I just recently had strep throat. And Biologica is a drinkable daily supplement that goes well beyond a multivitamin. They brought together a comprehensive vitamin and mineral foundation, probiotics, electrolytes, and clinically researched botanicals all in one drink. So you're no longer juggling a handful of pills trying to cover your bases anymore. You have it all in one pack. And I did open the box when I got it yesterday and they are little packets. They're so easy and they're probably going to be easy to travel with me on tour, which is really nice. But what makes it different is that it's not a one size fits all. Biologica has three different formulas for different hormonal life stages. So you're actually supporting your body based on where you are right now. I love how easy it is. They're super compact. Like I said, they're going to travel really easily with me. They don't take up a whole lot of time. I got two different ones. I got the primary essentials and then I also got postmenopause essentials. First, I got the primary essentials. This is for women who are roughly 18 to 45 in their reproductive years. The reason why I got this one was because it supports mood, skin, energy and cycle comfort, which is something I talk about all the time. So I'm super, super excited to use them and the flavor is supposed to be really good. So the ease of them are so easy. The packets are so small and like I said, you can travel with them. I'm so ready to see a difference in my skin because my skin's been acting up really weird and I do take pretty good care of my skin. So this I think is going to be a game changer for me. You guys can head to biologica.com/karma to get started. Take their quick hormonal life stage quiz to find the formula that's right for you. Right now, subscribers can get up to 32 percent off their purchase. Again, make sure you go to biologica.com/karma to get up to 32 percent off your first subscription order today. Everyone we know is talking about GLP-1s and Becky, you just talked about being on one and I was this close to trying them. I'm so tired of gaining weight every winter and struggling to lose it. I don't know if anyone else listening is like me but my weight fluctuates like crazy. This year, my goal is to lose weight and to actually keep it off. I'm tired of the fluctuation. I just want to stay fit, feel good about myself and be comfortable in a bathing suit to be honest. I think about food constantly. I'm talking about major food noise. I've struggled with cravings and food and my weight for as long as I can remember and I've tried all the diets. I've tried Detox Teas, Miracle Gummies, honestly, if it sounded dumb, I've probably tried it. You guys have probably seen me try it all. Raise your hand if you are ready to lose nine pounds before summer with our next sponsor, Veracity. This podcast is sponsored by Veracity. This is an all-natural way to slim down, get energized and sharpen your focus. Veracity is revolutionizing health by tackling the root cause of so many issues, which is metabolism. With Veracity's drug-free, clinically proven and doctor formulated solutions, you can support your body's needs to live your healthiest life, which is exactly what I want to be doing. If your goal is weight loss, you have to try Metabolism Ignite, the number one doctor recommended GLP-1 booster and GLP-1 alternative. Metabolism Ignite has sold out 10 times for a reason. There are no side effects or allergens. Metabolism Ignite is a natural, safe, plant-based aid that results in 85% reduction in hunger and is clinically proven to lose, on average, nine pounds in 90 days. So if you guys want to give this a try, it's definitely worth it. Veracity's founder and CEO, Ali Egan, is a certified hormonal health coach and her personal experience with metabolic issues inspired her to develop holistic solutions for achieving optimal health. And Metabolism Ignite is safe for everyone, including new moms. So if you're pregnant or breastfeeding, Veracity is here to help you take care of yourself while taking care of your baby, which we also love. We love being able to support women. Before Metabolism Ignite sells out again, make the switch to GLP-1s the natural way. Head to veracityhealth.co and use code Karma for up to 65% off your order. Again, that's veracityhealth.co for up to 65% off. And make sure you use our promo code Karma so they know that we sent you.
Speaker 4:
[26:42] Anywho, I was standing in the pink or the purple parrot with my friends, and I saw this girl looking at me from my peripherals. And I said, guys, that girl's looking at me. And then they all said, Becky, you think everyone's looking at you? She's not looking at you. And I said-
Speaker 5:
[26:57] It's a 50-50 shot if they actually are, though.
Speaker 1:
[26:58] Right.
Speaker 4:
[26:59] I said, okay. And then I was like, I'm gonna go talk to her. And I turned around, and she was standing right behind me. And then-
Speaker 1:
[27:05] And then you her.
Speaker 4:
[27:06] And then she said, I said, do you wanna come home with us? And she said, I gotta ask my parents. She was there on vacation. It's not cause she was young. She was like, she was, we were both the same age.
Speaker 1:
[27:16] We didn't need that clarification, obviously.
Speaker 4:
[27:18] And like, I was also 22. So it wasn't like- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like we were- Yeah. And so her parents let her come home with us. And it was a one bedroom apartment. And like, it was so funny. Cause like, we were at the apartment, and the girl was like, do you wanna go for a walk? And I was like, yeah. And so like we left the house. Like, is this, is it really all this easy? Like, is this really easy?
Speaker 5:
[27:42] Well, cause you're in like a serial relationship type of person.
Speaker 4:
[27:45] Cause I don't, like I've never like single like that, you know?
Speaker 1:
[27:48] So why is it okay for you, but it's not okay for me?
Speaker 4:
[27:51] You're allowed to do whatever you want, sweetie.
Speaker 1:
[27:54] But she doesn't get shit for it. Was the sex good? Do you remember? Everybody's shit on Becky, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4:
[28:00] But I also, it's not men. So anyway, we got back to the house after we went for our walk. And I was like, Morgan, I was like, I need the bedroom.
Speaker 5:
[28:16] And this was Danny's apartment, not mine. And you kicked Danielle out of her bedroom.
Speaker 4:
[28:20] Yeah. And I kicked him out of the bedroom.
Speaker 5:
[28:22] I slept on the couch in the living room.
Speaker 4:
[28:23] Yeah. I had a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. She made me do really weird stuff. Like that's how you always know that the girl's straight or is never hooked up with her. Someone is like when they're one super vocal about things. Cause like a lot of straight girls think that like from watching porn, that's what like men want. And men could want that, but like that's typically not how two girls hook up. And then like after we were done hooking up, we were like laying there and I was like, Hey, can I ask you something? Or I was like, can I ask you something? She's like, yeah. I asked her what my name was and she didn't remember. And it was so awkward. It was so funny.
Speaker 1:
[28:56] And she's like, did you remember hers?
Speaker 4:
[28:59] Right now? No, I did then. I don't remember what her name was.
Speaker 5:
[29:02] I remember what she looks like.
Speaker 4:
[29:03] Hey girl.
Speaker 5:
[29:05] I can literally see her face.
Speaker 4:
[29:07] But it was so funny because she was like, I need to tell you something. And I was like, does she have an STD?
Speaker 1:
[29:12] Like, what's her boyfriend?
Speaker 4:
[29:14] She had a boyfriend.
Speaker 1:
[29:14] I remember this story.
Speaker 4:
[29:15] Yeah, she had a boyfriend. She never hooked up with a girl before.
Speaker 1:
[29:18] Is it cheating if you 100 percent?
Speaker 5:
[29:20] Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[29:21] But it was funny because I texted her like a couple of weeks later and I said I was going to be in Philly if she wanted to grab dinner. She's like, is this what girls do? Like, I'm like, yeah, yeah. Like this.
Speaker 1:
[29:31] Did you, did she go to dinner?
Speaker 4:
[29:32] No, we never really, we never saw each other again.
Speaker 1:
[29:36] I hope she reaches out after this. I want to see her.
Speaker 4:
[29:38] I forget what I had her saved in my phone as. I should reach out about it.
Speaker 1:
[29:43] The fact that you texted her later on to ask her to go to dinner is so funny to me.
Speaker 4:
[29:47] Why?
Speaker 1:
[29:48] You hooked up with her one time. Of course, she's freaked out and she's not going to go to dinner with you.
Speaker 4:
[29:52] I'm nice.
Speaker 1:
[29:53] Well, nobody said you weren't nice.
Speaker 4:
[29:55] She probably married that boy. I think he was in the military.
Speaker 5:
[29:59] I don't think she was saying like, let's go to dinner and then let's fuck.
Speaker 1:
[30:02] No, no, I don't think so. I think that's even funnier though, is that she's just like hitting somebody up because she'll go fucking meet fans and stuff like and just have a good time.
Speaker 4:
[30:11] I was talking to my, I have like a Patreon now of people and we have like group chats and I love that and we have like a monthly meeting. And if you want to join my little private group, I do Sunday resets where we talk about life and just all the things. And it's a really amazing community at patreon.com/beckyhayter. Anyway, I was talking to the group. I'm like, and they're all coming to the shows and I'm like, well, I want to see you guys before, like, can I just come out and see you when you're waiting in line? They're like, we don't know.
Speaker 5:
[30:45] I'm like, aren't you supposed to tell us that?
Speaker 4:
[30:47] Yeah, I'm like, what I was like in my, and that's why I texted you, we need to get lanyards. So I can't really walk everywhere.
Speaker 1:
[30:53] No, we're doing lanyards for crew and like us.
Speaker 4:
[30:56] For me.
Speaker 1:
[30:56] And then, and then.
Speaker 4:
[30:57] But like, is that weird? Like.
Speaker 1:
[30:58] No, it's not.
Speaker 4:
[30:59] Like you couldn't do it.
Speaker 1:
[31:01] No, I can't do it. But well, I also have like a ton of podcasts and stuff to record before the show. So like I'm doing that, but yeah, you can do it. And then we'll have the crew lanyards and then we're doing separate lanyards for people who did VIP. So they'll have a different one that looks different. If I'm recording, just don't bring anybody back. But like maybe I'll come say hi to.
Speaker 4:
[31:22] I'm not bringing you with me. These are my friends. Anyway, I was thinking also in the spots that are possible, like maybe grabbing a drink after.
Speaker 1:
[31:33] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[31:33] You could come to that if you want.
Speaker 1:
[31:35] No.
Speaker 4:
[31:35] Okay, cool.
Speaker 1:
[31:36] Because we actually can't. And I'm gonna tell you why. Alessandra gets me. So the way tour is set up, we fly to the first location. As soon as the show ends, there is no, we have to leave. We have a six hour drive and we need to be in the next city within that six hours. Like there is no.
Speaker 4:
[31:58] So there's no. Houston, I'll be able to, because I'm not going with wherever you're going to the next one.
Speaker 1:
[32:04] After Houston.
Speaker 4:
[32:05] I'm staying in Houston.
Speaker 1:
[32:06] Okay, cool.
Speaker 4:
[32:06] I'll meet you guys at the bar.
Speaker 1:
[32:07] What do you do for a living now? I work in marketing. Oh, cool. Okay. I won't ask specifics because what's the point? Privacy. No, that's cool. That's really cool. Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[32:19] They're located back in Baltimore. I just work with physicians. I work remote. I just go into the office one day a month.
Speaker 1:
[32:26] Wow. That's amazing. Good for you. Do you like it?
Speaker 5:
[32:30] I mean, yeah, it's challenging in its own way. It's something different than what I've ever done before. I've been in healthcare for like 10 years almost. But I was on the patient side. For the last three years, I've been on the marketing administration side, so it's a lot different.
Speaker 1:
[32:44] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[32:45] But yeah, no, I enjoy it.
Speaker 1:
[32:48] What's it like being friends with Becky?
Speaker 5:
[32:52] Have you ever sat on the edge of a cliff that falls down?
Speaker 1:
[32:55] And dangled your feet?
Speaker 5:
[32:55] Yeah. Kind of like that. So it's thrilling, but you can be a little scared sometimes for other people. I mean, I don't feel scared, but yeah.
Speaker 1:
[33:05] I always wonder about your friendship dynamics with other people, you know?
Speaker 4:
[33:10] I guess.
Speaker 5:
[33:13] Becky's like one of the most reliable people I think I've ever known in my life.
Speaker 1:
[33:18] Easily.
Speaker 5:
[33:18] Like, I don't think if I were to ever, like, well, I mean, if I needed her, she would be there. Like, she would not ask questions. She would just say, where do you need me and when? And it would just be like, okay, I'll get there.
Speaker 1:
[33:33] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[33:33] Which is cool, which is really, really cool. My parents love her.
Speaker 4:
[33:37] I love your parents and Uncle Mark.
Speaker 5:
[33:40] And Uncle Mark.
Speaker 4:
[33:41] There's these pictures, this one time Morgan and I went to visit her. So her nana and what's her, Connie, their sisters and Aunt Connie, they live in Florida when their backyards touch and we would go visit them.
Speaker 1:
[33:54] That's so sweet.
Speaker 5:
[33:56] Yeah, they bought corner property so that they could have like a little secret passageway from like one backyard to the other. And they had happy hours every single day. Every day at five o'clock.
Speaker 4:
[34:04] There's pictures of me in bed with them drunk and like they're like...
Speaker 5:
[34:08] Old women and like my second cousins. Yeah, they're hysterical.
Speaker 4:
[34:12] I carried them to bed. It was so much fun. And then me and Morgan snuck on a yacht.
Speaker 5:
[34:17] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[34:17] Did you go for a ride or you just...
Speaker 4:
[34:19] No, it was a parked yacht.
Speaker 1:
[34:20] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[34:21] My nana like her neighborhood had like a yacht yard, like a marina in the back and we just used to like hop the fences and just like go and sit on like the top. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[34:30] And just hang out.
Speaker 4:
[34:31] Yeah. And drink.
Speaker 1:
[34:32] What a life. That's kind of cool.
Speaker 4:
[34:34] We have literally lived so many lives.
Speaker 5:
[34:37] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[34:37] I was just telling somebody about how you used to put alcohol in a shoe and drink it. I can't remember who it was, but I was like, oh.
Speaker 4:
[34:43] Yeah. Morgan used to take shots and chase it with grass if she didn't have a grass.
Speaker 5:
[34:49] I did do that for a while.
Speaker 1:
[34:50] Like from the ground? Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[34:51] Yeah. You know, when you're like blacked out on the verge of it, you'll just kind of do something.
Speaker 4:
[34:55] She also punched me in the stomach to make me throw up once at a party.
Speaker 5:
[34:58] So she was like, she was sick and I drank too much.
Speaker 1:
[35:01] Did you take a shot of each other's breast milk?
Speaker 4:
[35:04] Yeah, I drank yours.
Speaker 1:
[35:05] You also drank mine.
Speaker 4:
[35:06] I didn't have breast milk.
Speaker 5:
[35:07] She didn't have any.
Speaker 4:
[35:08] I had a miscarriage. Oh, sorry. This one time, I need a great loop immediately. This one time. Sorry. I feel like I'm talking so much, so sorry if you guys are getting bored. But this one time, me and Morgan, we're both hooking up with these guys.
Speaker 5:
[35:24] Me and you are going to Crackawanna House.
Speaker 4:
[35:26] The Crackawanna House. It was like 4 o'clock in the morning and we both walked out. We both had black sports bras and red shorts on. We just walked out at the same time into our hallway and just looked at each other. I just started dying.
Speaker 5:
[35:42] Dying laughing. Yeah. I'm pretty sure we was going to the bathroom and we just both turned around, shut the doors and went back in.
Speaker 4:
[35:47] Yeah.
Speaker 6:
[35:48] It was so funny.
Speaker 1:
[35:49] But you hooking up with men is seriously.
Speaker 4:
[35:54] I'd do it again.
Speaker 1:
[35:55] You would?
Speaker 5:
[35:56] Maybe you would.
Speaker 4:
[35:57] I don't think so. Maybe.
Speaker 5:
[36:00] Some of the people though.
Speaker 1:
[36:01] Men are so nasty. Yeah. Describe Becky. I don't want you to do it. I want Morgan can describe Becky's type in college.
Speaker 5:
[36:10] I'm just going to show you something. Thank you. I'm just going to tell you this person.
Speaker 1:
[36:14] Did you have a long-term relationship with a man?
Speaker 4:
[36:16] Yeah, with Dustin.
Speaker 5:
[36:17] Dustin, yeah.
Speaker 1:
[36:18] Do you still talk to him?
Speaker 4:
[36:19] No, no, no. I was hooking up with my athletic trainer, which is illegal. You can't do that.
Speaker 5:
[36:27] Yeah. He's winning big title.
Speaker 1:
[36:32] Let me see.
Speaker 4:
[36:34] I hooked up with a lot of people. Most of the men that I hooked up with in college, I feel like were pretty attractive. But this is probably why.
Speaker 1:
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Speaker 5:
[40:39] So, but Kail, one of the things like, what was it, we returned back to ESU after we graduated like four years later, at least, because that's when we did like a homecoming thing. And we were walking around the bars, and we were introducing ourselves, and like, people were like, people that were in school at that time were like, you guys are a holler and hater. Like, they were still talking about it four years later.
Speaker 1:
[41:03] Because you guys had a legacy there.
Speaker 4:
[41:05] We did.
Speaker 5:
[41:06] I mean, we're talking about the town cops used to call us and be like, hey, we just arrested your friend. Can you come get him?
Speaker 1:
[41:14] And you're like, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 4:
[41:15] And we're like, this is the fifth call we've gotten to your house. We're gonna have to come the next time.
Speaker 5:
[41:20] Yeah, for like, noise.
Speaker 4:
[41:22] Yeah. Man. What a good life and fun life. Morgan and I also went to Vegas for New Year's when we were 21.
Speaker 1:
[41:36] Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 4:
[41:36] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[41:37] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[41:38] That was quite the time.
Speaker 5:
[41:39] We saw Avicii. For New Year's.
Speaker 4:
[41:41] For New Year's Eve, we saw Avicii.
Speaker 5:
[41:43] And Skrillex.
Speaker 4:
[41:44] And, yeah, spent a lot of money on fake drugs.
Speaker 1:
[41:49] Fake drugs?
Speaker 4:
[41:50] Yeah. We got bamboozled. It was Fun Dip.
Speaker 1:
[41:57] Yep. Did you snort it?
Speaker 4:
[41:59] No, we ate it. Or I ate it.
Speaker 1:
[42:01] Like, you realized it was Fun Dip?
Speaker 4:
[42:02] I don't do drugs anymore, so.
Speaker 1:
[42:03] Yeah. But you used to do drugs?
Speaker 4:
[42:05] Did I used to do drugs?
Speaker 1:
[42:06] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[42:07] Hell, yeah, brother.
Speaker 1:
[42:08] Dabbled. Dabbled a little.
Speaker 4:
[42:09] Yeah, it was fun. Safely, as safely as you could.
Speaker 1:
[42:12] Yeah, not everyone can do that. I think some people can play around and never touch it again. And other people.
Speaker 4:
[42:18] Yeah, we don't condone. Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 5:
[42:20] I feel like when you have that much of a chaotic, like, I don't want to say chaotic, but, like, man, we're going going going for four years. It's hard to, like, pinpoint a specific time that we were wild.
Speaker 4:
[42:32] Remember when that bra broke out in that basement and I had to pin you up against a wall so that neither of us got, like, stumbled?
Speaker 1:
[42:39] Have you guys ever gotten to in a fight and then became friends again?
Speaker 4:
[42:42] Hell, yeah, we did. Morgan used to be homophobic.
Speaker 5:
[42:45] I was not homophobic.
Speaker 4:
[42:46] She was homophobic.
Speaker 5:
[42:47] Listen, listen, I was not homophobic. First off, the reason I was so mad at you is because you told me you weren't gay for, like, a whole year. And so when people would be like, she's gay, she's gay, and I'd be like, no, she's not. She told me. Why would she lie to me? I'm her best friend. Why would she lie to me? And then you started dating a girl, and you were like, you told me, and I was like, I've been defending you. I'm an idiot. Everyone else knew. I didn't know.
Speaker 4:
[43:13] Whoops.
Speaker 1:
[43:15] Were you upset that she was gay?
Speaker 5:
[43:17] No, I wasn't upset that you were gay. I was mad that she, like, wouldn't tell me, or, like, that she felt like she couldn't tell me, probably.
Speaker 1:
[43:24] Well, maybe she didn't realize either.
Speaker 4:
[43:25] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[43:27] You didn't realize?
Speaker 4:
[43:28] No, when I started dating my girlfriend that I dated, I told everyone. I was like, I didn't have...
Speaker 5:
[43:32] No, I'm sorry. This was when you were just, like, hooking up with someone.
Speaker 4:
[43:35] I was, like, hooking up with someone, testing the waters. But then I ended up not, I thought I wasn't gay, and then I was like, oh.
Speaker 1:
[43:44] What made you think you weren't gay?
Speaker 4:
[43:48] Probably the pressure of society.
Speaker 1:
[43:50] Like, you were like, I could be with a man, it would be fine.
Speaker 4:
[43:54] Or like, I, like, it's not worth the trouble of it. Like, it's not worth, like, the embarrassment, the, like, chaos of life.
Speaker 1:
[44:03] Like, all the adversity that comes with it.
Speaker 5:
[44:05] But, like, ESU was probably the best place for you to go.
Speaker 4:
[44:08] I had zero reason to feel that. I mean, besides society, but yeah.
Speaker 5:
[44:12] I mean, it's a very, like, high gay population.
Speaker 4:
[44:15] But once I came out, I was like, yes, you.
Speaker 1:
[44:16] Like, there's a queer community there.
Speaker 4:
[44:18] Yeah. Night and day.
Speaker 5:
[44:19] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[44:19] I just, like, turned a switch on and I was like, oh, yeah. Now she's gay.
Speaker 5:
[44:23] This kind of fits. She moved to the city and now she's gay.
Speaker 4:
[44:31] Any other questions?
Speaker 1:
[44:32] No, I'm just living vicariously through, like, a real college experience, you know?
Speaker 4:
[44:39] Yeah. Yeah. I am so privileged in just the way that we lived college and, like, the experience, like, yeah, I won't do that now. I don't think I will cherish for sure. Not I will cherish those four years for the rest five years. Morgan and I did an extra semester at college and I lived on the couch in a room that she rented from our friend. It was so and then the house got condemned. So we got kicked out.
Speaker 5:
[45:09] Yeah. Like the fire marshal came when I was taking a nap. Yeah. They were like, you got to move out. You can't be here.
Speaker 4:
[45:15] Man, we used to watch Bench Warmers all the time.
Speaker 1:
[45:18] Wow. What a wild ride.
Speaker 5:
[45:21] So then we moved into another house and you lived on the futon. In that room. Then we split the rent. The rent was $300 a month. Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[45:28] So you all just split it.
Speaker 5:
[45:29] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[45:30] Two ways, three ways?
Speaker 5:
[45:31] Two ways. Two ways. Then they found out and they kept my security deposit.
Speaker 4:
[45:37] But dude, we used to shut down the one bar and the owner would drive us home and like, yeah, man, we literally had the time of our lives.
Speaker 5:
[45:46] The cops brought us home a lot.
Speaker 4:
[45:47] Yeah, the cops did bring us home a lot.
Speaker 5:
[45:49] Not in trouble.
Speaker 1:
[45:50] I don't think that kids today will ever have that type of experience.
Speaker 4:
[45:54] Morgan and I used to, the one party house never charged to get in. So me and Morgan would stand outside and charge together.
Speaker 1:
[46:01] And then take the money. Wait, that's kind of iconic. That's so smart. This is my side hustle.
Speaker 4:
[46:08] We used to just do such weird shit.
Speaker 5:
[46:11] I'll never forget, my brother came to visit us once. And we were like sophomores. So we were going to house parties. We weren't going to the bars or anything. And he went to University of Delaware. So like big school, little fish, big pond. We were big fish in a little... So it was like completely a different vibe. And he'll never forget, it was actually funny, Ryan Brennan came with him too. We walked into a party and like the whole party just like turned and like shouted our names and everything. And my brother was like, what the hell have you done here?
Speaker 1:
[46:41] Like what is going on? Making your mark. You're just making your mark.
Speaker 5:
[46:44] And I'm like, I don't know, this is just normal. And he's like...
Speaker 3:
[46:46] I'm trying to, it's so...
Speaker 4:
[46:47] One thing I regret is not keeping a journal because we had so many fun, ridiculous, insane nights that it saddens me that I can't remember anything.
Speaker 5:
[47:03] Have you ever talked about the bush?
Speaker 4:
[47:05] No.
Speaker 1:
[47:07] What's a bush?
Speaker 4:
[47:08] I built a part... I built a city in my woods.
Speaker 1:
[47:13] What?
Speaker 4:
[47:14] I literally built like, struck like houses in my woods and like...
Speaker 5:
[47:19] Like three or four tree houses. Bars.
Speaker 1:
[47:22] Yeah, like are you... How did you have time to build a city in the woods?
Speaker 4:
[47:25] We did it in the summers.
Speaker 1:
[47:27] But I feel like you should go on Naked and Afraid.
Speaker 4:
[47:29] Built like... So it's probably like a 25 by 25 tree house with like a front deck, a pavilion, another house behind the pavilion and then catwalks to all of them, a bar, the pig pen.
Speaker 1:
[47:42] Okay, so how did you explain this to your friends? Like where did this idea come from?
Speaker 4:
[47:46] It was the bush.
Speaker 1:
[47:47] What did you set? You were like, we're gonna hang out here? Like what was the intention? We're gonna throw parties here.
Speaker 4:
[47:51] I did 400 people parties at this place. I did a beer olympics. I did the bush olympics. We would have 20 plus kegs and like over almost 30 teams for like a well put together and organized six.
Speaker 1:
[48:06] Do you have pictures of this thing?
Speaker 4:
[48:07] Yes, it was.
Speaker 1:
[48:08] We are gonna need them for the socials.
Speaker 4:
[48:09] Insane. Dan, shout out Dan, Uncle Dan. Him and I, that's what we did our summers. Like we spent all of our summers building down at the bush. We would find people that were taking down old decks and then repurpose that wood and build things.
Speaker 1:
[48:25] Do you think it's still there? Should we go visit?
Speaker 4:
[48:27] It's definitely torn down.
Speaker 1:
[48:28] It is so fascinating to me to hear this. Like you had a purpose. Like you were just like, this is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4:
[48:37] Yes.
Speaker 1:
[48:38] I was worried about boyfriends. Like I cannot even, like how fun would that be to like not have to worry about anything and you're just building a fucking city in your backyard?
Speaker 4:
[48:47] Like my best memories are from just like, cause Mike, my like best friend that passed away, like was down there building it with us too. And like we would work all day and then just hang out there and drink. We set up like the whole place was powered by a generator. So like when you turn the generator on, like the spotlights and music and everything just turned on, there was like literally hundreds of people.
Speaker 1:
[49:10] I need to see pictures of this thing. Yeah. How's this the first time we're hearing about it? Yeah. Why I've never heard of this. Like this is giving like Sims, you know what I mean? Like you build a village or whatever.
Speaker 5:
[49:19] When did your parents sell that property?
Speaker 1:
[49:20] Wait, this was at your house?
Speaker 4:
[49:22] My parents' property, yeah.
Speaker 5:
[49:23] Up in New Jersey.
Speaker 1:
[49:24] Oh, I'm thinking this is like college. Like you did this in like a house.
Speaker 4:
[49:27] It was during college, but during summers of college, I would do it at my parents' house.
Speaker 1:
[49:32] So because you guys went to ESU, was there like a sort of local population for like nearby states so more people could go there?
Speaker 4:
[49:38] ESU was only 25 minutes from my parents' house.
Speaker 5:
[49:41] Yeah. It was just like on the other side, like right over the line.
Speaker 1:
[49:44] And what did your parents say about this party? Say they didn't care?
Speaker 4:
[49:47] They eventually started caring. They got out of control. Like it was absolutely insane.
Speaker 1:
[49:53] And were you the oldest, you're the youngest of five? Did your siblings do anything like this? No. So like you did this?
Speaker 5:
[50:00] No, but three out of the four were always there.
Speaker 4:
[50:03] Yeah, they would have teams.
Speaker 5:
[50:05] Alex was on my team. I think like two years in a row.
Speaker 1:
[50:08] Did she go to ESU too, your older sister?
Speaker 4:
[50:10] No.
Speaker 5:
[50:10] No.
Speaker 4:
[50:12] Yeah. Band Bush parties. People would find me.
Speaker 5:
[50:15] Blair was always down there.
Speaker 4:
[50:16] Yeah, people would find me. Like I'd run into people. They'd be like, holy shit, like I was at your party, like down at the Bush. I'm like, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:
[50:25] Should we create a Bush party?
Speaker 4:
[50:27] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[50:28] I don't know. I feel like on the 20 acres, we could just go. Don't get jealous.
Speaker 4:
[50:32] We need to build a whole Bush party.
Speaker 1:
[50:33] We need to go build a Bush party on my 20 acres before I leave Delaware.
Speaker 4:
[50:38] Okay.
Speaker 1:
[50:39] Come on. And then I'll sell it.
Speaker 4:
[50:40] We can host a beer Olympics. That's what it all stemmed out of.
Speaker 1:
[50:44] Why drink wine last night?
Speaker 6:
[50:46] She said to party, girl.
Speaker 1:
[50:47] Moscato.
Speaker 4:
[50:48] Okay.
Speaker 1:
[50:49] Yeah. I'm sophisticated now.
Speaker 5:
[50:53] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[50:55] What do they call a wine connoisseur?
Speaker 1:
[50:59] A wine connoisseur.
Speaker 4:
[50:59] A wine snob.
Speaker 1:
[51:00] Oh.
Speaker 5:
[51:02] What did you say?
Speaker 1:
[51:03] Wine snob. No.
Speaker 4:
[51:05] She's going to become a sommelier.
Speaker 1:
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Speaker 4:
[52:52] The Bush 2.0.
Speaker 1:
[52:54] Yeah, this is the graduated version.
Speaker 4:
[52:56] I can't wait for my kid to ask me to build him a tree house and me be like, here we go.
Speaker 5:
[53:04] The next generation, the next generation of the Bush. Yeah. It's literally going to be Kona, Bex, and Styles.
Speaker 4:
[53:11] Yeah, literally. We tried getting Morgan to name her kid Porter because Bex is a beer, Kona is a beer, and we wanted her to name a kid.
Speaker 5:
[53:20] But then Danny works in the school system and said, we have a Porter and his nickname is Porter Potty, and I was like, I can't do that. Oh, no. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[53:27] I love the name Porter.
Speaker 5:
[53:28] I think it's really cute.
Speaker 1:
[53:29] I do too, but it was on Kim's baby nameless, so I've hated it because of that. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[53:33] That's funny because I think it was on our baby nameless.
Speaker 1:
[53:36] It was. I remember because I liked it.
Speaker 4:
[53:38] It was because of Revenge.
Speaker 1:
[53:41] Revenge?
Speaker 4:
[53:41] The TV show Revenge.
Speaker 1:
[53:44] Oh, funny. Where did you get the name Styles? Because I'm obsessed with it.
Speaker 5:
[53:47] I saw it on One List literally once and I put it on, I had a note tab and I just kept putting them on there.
Speaker 1:
[53:52] I still have one and I'm done having kids, and I'm still have a note.
Speaker 5:
[53:55] Maybe I'll dip into it one day.
Speaker 1:
[53:56] Yeah, because I have names like that.
Speaker 5:
[53:58] Do you?
Speaker 1:
[53:58] Not like that, but like the vibe of it. Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[54:01] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[54:03] I wish that I would have named Elliott his first name, Elliott, because it just doesn't fit him. But as I got had more kids, I got more bold about their name choices.
Speaker 5:
[54:13] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[54:14] And I prefer those because you're never going to meet another Lux. You're probably never going to meet another Creed or Rio or Verse or Valley. And Lincoln was not popular when I named Lincoln Lincoln. But that was from Prison Break.
Speaker 5:
[54:27] Good show. Yeah. Good show. Good show.
Speaker 1:
[54:29] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[54:30] My miniature dachshund's name is Rio.
Speaker 1:
[54:32] Rio? You have a dog named Rio?
Speaker 5:
[54:34] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[54:34] Do you know where I got that name from? Good Girls. You remember that show?
Speaker 5:
[54:38] Yeah.
Speaker 1:
[54:39] Where they were laundering money, washing money.
Speaker 5:
[54:41] You know what's funny is I watched that while I was on my honeymoon, and we stayed at a place called Rio Peredito, which is why we called our dog Rio.
Speaker 1:
[54:48] Oh, I kind of love that though. And then my friend Taylor, she went to not Turks and Caicos, Aruba maybe. I don't know where they got engaged was called Grace Bay. So they named their daughter, their middle name Grace because of like, that's cool.
Speaker 5:
[55:01] I like that.
Speaker 1:
[55:02] Super cool. I like that. And Bex came from what?
Speaker 4:
[55:05] That's what Lea's nickname is for me.
Speaker 1:
[55:07] So you wanted to name the baby?
Speaker 4:
[55:08] After me.
Speaker 1:
[55:09] I love that.
Speaker 4:
[55:10] Bex.
Speaker 1:
[55:10] Yeah. Bex. But sometimes I call you Bex on accident. And then I'm like-
Speaker 4:
[55:14] It's like some people do call me Bex.
Speaker 1:
[55:16] Yeah. I just, I feel bad because I'm like-
Speaker 4:
[55:17] I'm Bex Senior.
Speaker 1:
[55:19] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[55:20] Baby Bex.
Speaker 1:
[55:21] And Bex is Junior.
Speaker 4:
[55:22] That's Junior.
Speaker 1:
[55:23] Baby Bex. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[55:25] Mr. Bex. Morgan, do you have any questions for the group?
Speaker 5:
[55:28] No. I thought I was just coming to hang out.
Speaker 4:
[55:30] She did. I put her on the spot. Also, a fun thing with Morgan is we- and I think I've talked about, Morgan's like a part of that friend group I have from college where we are very intentional with staying friends. Like we do things multiple times a year.
Speaker 1:
[55:47] Yeah, I was going to ask about that because I have a 16 year old and he was making the decision between- just try to follow the bouncing ball here. He was trying to make a decision between staying at the school he's at or going to a private school. And one of the deciding factors was leaving his friends. And I said, I hate to tell you this bud, but like your friends for life are going to come from college, not from high school. So what is it that you guys do differently with your college friends that you maybe do or don't do from high school?
Speaker 4:
[56:14] I don't think that necessarily you're college, like you don't stay friends with your high school friends because you can stay like...
Speaker 1:
[56:20] Yeah, no, I think that he's going to stay friends with them. I just think that he might...
Speaker 4:
[56:23] But you do meet the most important people of your life in college.
Speaker 1:
[56:26] That's more so what I meant.
Speaker 4:
[56:29] It takes a lot of inconveniencing yourself to stay friends with people for a long time, right? Especially getting 10 girls together that all have family, that all have responsibilities.
Speaker 5:
[56:46] I was going to say, with spouses and kids, there's 38.
Speaker 4:
[56:49] Yeah, there's a lot of kids in that friend group.
Speaker 5:
[56:51] There's a lot of kids.
Speaker 4:
[56:52] It's just planning, picking a date, setting it in your calendar, and not fucking bailing on it. If something comes up, you're not over scheduling yourself. We pick dates like months, like a year ahead.
Speaker 5:
[57:02] Last weekend in February, every single year.
Speaker 4:
[57:04] Yeah, and then we'll always plan something in the fall, too.
Speaker 5:
[57:09] It's hard because you live with these people for four years. So you're seeing them 24-7, I mean, 365, unless you're on break. So getting into that habit, you almost have to continue that habit afterwards. So making the effort and, like you said, inconveniencing yourself. And so I've always been the one that lived so far away. I was always in Delaware. So I was always three, three and a half hours from anyone. So like, I did miss a lot of them, but they all like live within like an hour and a half, an hour and 45 of each other. So it was like, but it made it harder on me because I'd like get that FOMO. I'm like, no, I want to be there. I want to like, so I mean, you just have to like set aside the time and just, I don't know. I mean, like we talk in a, in a group chat and like, you can kind of go dormant for a little bit. And like, it's funny, cause if you go dormant for like three or four days, someone will text and be like, Hey, I haven't heard from you in a few days. Are you good? Cause we'll just like notice, but it's just, you gotta be present.
Speaker 1:
[58:05] Intentional.
Speaker 4:
[58:06] Yeah, it's really intentional. And you have to let people go through life, right? Like even Morgan and my friendship has had its ebbs and flows of distance and closeness because of, we were living just completely separate lives or different lives or whatever it is, but it's been really beautiful. Just the, like us having kids. And it's like, I feel like has grown like more branches of our friendship.
Speaker 1:
[58:28] Like a new start or like a different era of the friendship.
Speaker 4:
[58:32] A hundred percent.
Speaker 1:
[58:33] Yeah, I could see that. That's cool.
Speaker 4:
[58:34] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[58:35] But like, I don't know. I think you have friends from home too, that like you're extremely close with. But I mean, even with like my friends from home, like I have three really, really good friends from home that I've known since I was six, eight. And you're still friends with them. Yeah. I still talk to them. Like there's a group chat of my friends, Sue, Danielle and I, they had two girls and I clearly had a boy, but we all had kids within five months of each other. Oh, wow. So the same thing of like that little circle of like Becky and Amanda, we kind of had there. So it just, yeah, it's giving grace when grace needs to be given and just understanding that, like we all go through different things. And like, like you had kids earlier. So like people should give you grace to be like, well, you didn't get to do some of the things that we did, but like, it's just, it's different. You got to like take them for what they are and know that people will come back if they're meant to come back. And so, I mean, to Elliot, it's like, help, you make the effort. Like I have a friend that I went did gymnastics with since I was like four or five. She lives in Florida. She's lived in Florida since she was 10. I still talk to her. Oh, wow. But like we just follow each other. Like social media is great for that purpose, right?
Speaker 4:
[59:42] Like you get to stay connected with people. Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[59:44] Like I know about her family and I know all their kids' names and stuff like that. But like, I mean, I don't see her. I haven't seen her since I was probably 12 years old.
Speaker 4:
[59:51] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[59:52] But like, it's just more intentional.
Speaker 1:
[59:54] Yeah. That's cool.
Speaker 4:
[59:56] And a lot of inconvenience. Like how many like one-year-old birthday parties that you have to go to and like...
Speaker 1:
[60:04] You're not in that stage of your life or whatever.
Speaker 4:
[60:06] It's just a lot. It's a lot of driving. It's not like we all live in the same area. It would be different if we all lived in the same town, right?
Speaker 5:
[60:13] Yeah.
Speaker 4:
[60:14] Where you're spread out by a couple hours where it's still, you're still able to drive there, it's still a couple hour drive. It's not like just driving 20 minutes on the road.
Speaker 5:
[60:24] For a two-hour party. Yeah. It's like I'm going to be in the car for six and a half hours for a two-hour party.
Speaker 1:
[60:28] Right.
Speaker 5:
[60:29] It's a full day.
Speaker 1:
[60:29] Yeah.
Speaker 5:
[60:30] Then it's like now that we have kids, we understand our friends' perspectives of like, oh, maybe they didn't come to something. It's like, okay, well now we understand what it's like traveling with a three-month-old or a six-month-old.
Speaker 4:
[60:40] I feel like that our group of college friends, which is interesting because we weren't really close in college, we became close after, not us, the other girls. Like, they're all very caring people and intentional people. So if someone's going through something in life, like they're the first ones sending you food, they're the first ones sending you a gift, they're the first ones like showing up if you need to, if you need them. I think it's just finding like good people too, to like surround yourself with. And like all of those people are really good humans at their core, which makes things a little bit easier, nurturing a friendship a lot easier. Like Morgan said, like even the past couple of months when I was, I've been going through my shit, like everyone noticed and they all texted me on the side, like, hey, just thinking about you, hey, just checking in on you. So it's just, I don't know, it's like life isn't meant to be lived alone and like building a community and having that safety allows for you to like go through life a lot smoother knowing that you have that support. So inconveniencing yourself and just being the person you want other people to be.
Speaker 1:
[61:46] Love that. Becky will tag Morgan in some pictures. We'll post some pictures of you guys together or even like.
Speaker 4:
[61:52] You probably have pictures with Kail too from back in the day.
Speaker 1:
[61:55] I think you were at, were you at my college graduation? Like my house afterwards?
Speaker 4:
[61:59] No, that was Tara.
Speaker 1:
[62:00] Okay, well I know we have pictures, you guys have pictures from my wedding.
Speaker 4:
[62:04] From your 4th of July party.
Speaker 1:
[62:05] From my 4th of July party and then you guys can post pictures from like college and stuff. That will be really fun. We'll do a little carousel and we'll tag you.
Speaker 4:
[62:11] Oh, that titty pic.
Speaker 6:
[62:13] Oh, the Jersey Shore pic. Yes.
Speaker 1:
[62:16] I don't know what that means, but love y'all. Thank you so much for being here. Don't forget to get your tour tickets.
Speaker 6:
[62:21] Toodles.
Speaker 1:
[62:38] Okay, guys, we're back. You asked for it and we're delivering. Killer is going on tour. We're super excited for the Fatherless Behaviour Tour. 23 cities, three countries, all in one summer. And you guys can check out tour dates and see if we're coming to a city near you on kaillowry.com. And if you want early access to information and announcements, head over to Patreon because you might get it before everyone else.
Speaker 3:
[63:08] We're coming at you with everything we got!
Speaker 6:
[63:17] With movies like Pineapple Express, the entire Star Trek film franchise, and Gladiator, and TV shows like Survivor, SpongeBob SquarePants, The Fairly Odd Parents, and Ghosts, Pluto TV is always free! Huzzah! Pluto TV, stream now, pay never.
Speaker 2:
[63:36] Hi, I'm Lauren. And I'm Chandler. And we're the hosts of Pop Apologist Podcast, a weekly podcast devoted to celebrity gossip, Hollywood deep dives, real housewives drama, and anything and everything Taylor Swift. We're two sisters who make no apologies for our love of pop culture and the fact that A-listers might mean more to us than each other. Join us on your favorite podcast app every Wednesday for Pop Apologist. Pop Apologist, your new favorite sister and celeb podcast.