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Speaker 1:
[00:01] Hey, everybody, welcome to Unspooled's Real Confessions. I am Paul Scheer.

Speaker 2:
[00:04] Hello, and I am Amy Nicholson. And this is the show where we dim the lights and ask our guests to bear their cinematic souls, to tell us about the movies they love, the movies they hate, the movies they're embarrassed to admit they own, and the reasons why we might not want to sit next to them in a dark theater.

Speaker 1:
[00:19] Today, stepping into The Confessional, we have a podcast legend, a brilliant actor and comedian, Mike Mitchell. You know him as the co-host of The Doughboys with Nick Weiger. His brand new film Napa Boys is in theaters now, which honestly, I can't even describe it. It's just a comedy that is absurd and wonderful and weird, and feels like no one gave them any notes, and I mean that in the best possible way. You also might know him as Stu on Twisted Metal, and from The Birthday Boys, yeah, he's an A plus guest.

Speaker 2:
[00:55] I love The Birthday Boys. I loved it when they had their show. I love seeing them at UCB. They used to do a show with my girl Eva Anderson in kind of a double feature. She was on Kiss from Daddy. They're awesome two set.

Speaker 1:
[01:04] Well, I'm telling you, we got an A plus guest here. Mike, step into the confessional.

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Speaker 2:
[01:48] Well, Mike, I just want to jump right into this then, because I want to take you back to the year 2005. I believe this is a special year for you. This was the year that Sideways went to the Oscars. I would like you to give me a fuck merry kill of that year's Best Director nominees. I'll give you three of them. Clint Eastwood, Martin Scorsese, Alexander Payne.

Speaker 1:
[02:11] Wow.

Speaker 4:
[02:13] I mean, I'm marrying Martin Scorsese. He was nominated for the Departed that year. Is that what it was? Is that what the nomination was?

Speaker 1:
[02:20] That feels about right.

Speaker 2:
[02:21] I think so, actually. I forgot to double check which one.

Speaker 4:
[02:24] And I would marry Scorsese 100%. I'm afraid to... Clint Eastwood seems so frail. I feel like I would destroy him. I feel like I'd destroy him is my fear. I feel like I would crush the man.

Speaker 2:
[02:44] Have you not seen the mule? Have you not seen the mule? The man's having threesomes left, right and center in the mule.

Speaker 1:
[02:49] He's lived a very good life. I mean, if you marry him, how many more years are you going to get out of this guy? What? Five, six? I mean, come on.

Speaker 4:
[02:56] And Scorsese seems to have a longevity. He seems really with it. I'm going to marry Scorsese. I'm going to fuck Clint Eastwood. And then who was the last option you gave? Was it Alexander Payne?

Speaker 1:
[03:07] Alexander Payne.

Speaker 4:
[03:08] Oh my God, I have to kill Alexander Payne?

Speaker 1:
[03:13] Wow, you said it. It came out to you very natural that you had to kill Alexander Payne. I mean, you know, and that's, I would have killed Clint Eastwood because he would have gone down with a fight. It would be a bloody affair.

Speaker 4:
[03:25] You might not come out of that. I mean, look, this is the second time. So, okay, this is the second time that I now am embarrassing myself with an Alexander Payne movie. I did the show Twisted Metal and Thomas Hayden Church was in it. And I was like, he should have been nominated, I mean, not nominated, he should have won. He should have won the Oscar. And I was like, who won Best Supporting Actor? And this is on the set of Twisted Metal, and Anthony Mackie is there, and Stephanie Beatrice. And I was like, Morgan Freeman won for Million Dollar Baby. And I was like, no one cares about that performance anymore. There's been so many Morgan Freeman performances that are better. No one really even cared. Sideways has lasted longer. I feel it's more in the zeitgeist than Million Dollar Baby. I feel like that's a movie that people don't care as much anymore. And then I said to Anthony Mackie, I was like, have you ever been in a Clint Eastwood movie? And he was like, yeah, and I was like, which one? He's like, Million Dollar Baby. And I was like, And I was just screaming, fuck. And he was just laughing. He just laughed at me, to his credit. He was just laughing. And this is one of my confessions, is that I am sometimes too open about my film opinions. As an actor, working as everyone here does, working in Hollywood, you're like, I maybe should just keep some of this to myself. I shouldn't blabber and embarrass myself like I did. Luckily, I embarrassed myself in front of a guy who did not care at all, you know what I mean? But I think it's hard, it's hard. It's hard.

Speaker 2:
[04:58] I'm the only one who gets the freedom to just say what I want all the time.

Speaker 4:
[05:00] That's true. It's a very enviable position.

Speaker 1:
[05:04] You never know. And people always ask me about how did this get made. They're like, oh, have you upset people? And I say, you know, not that they have come to me and told me to my face, because I think most people understand, oh, I've been in a bad movie, and we've all been in things that like, oh, yeah, it didn't turn out exactly the way we wanted. But Million Dollar Baby is like a highly regarded, and I agree with you, I also highly forgettable film, and I don't remember Anthony Mackie in it at all, nor do I really remember anything about it. But it's like, it's weirder to be like, oh yeah, you did achieve that thing, but does it mean anything? Like, I don't know, like, would you rather have a million-dollar baby, which is like maybe like six to eight months of people being like, this is the best movie ever, or would you rather be like in, you know, for lack of- Well, sideways, I mean, sideways. I was gonna say, like, would you rather be in a movie-

Speaker 4:
[06:01] Also critically acclaimed, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[06:02] I was gonna say like a Fast and Furious movie, or like, you know, where you're like, I mean, if it's like a quality thing, like, you know, would you rather be in a movie that is viewed as a critical masterpiece but is forgotten, or a big, dumb, you know, movie with a shark, you know, like The Meg 2, you know, what is better?

Speaker 4:
[06:24] For me, if it was like, would you rather be a Million Dollar Baby or Deep Blue Sea or F7, I would choose F7 or Deep Blue Sea. I would, I mean, like, I love movies like that too, you know, that's like, I mean, I feel like I have a lot of cinematic blind spots and I've for years done the work. I went to film school too, and I saw like a lot of classic movies and stuff, but there's so many always that I feel like there's a chance you'll be embarrassed having not seen something or other. And that, at least with those kind of, you know, shitty B movies, I've seen so many of them that I feel really comfortable talking about them. And that to me is, there's still film, you know what I mean? It still counts. I still adore movies like that, and they don't get the credit they deserve a lot of the time. And they're never in, you know, like I don't know if anyone else would want to be in Deep Lucy, but that movie ruled and it meant a lot to me when I was younger. I mean, like Starship Troopers is one of the all time classics. I love it. And I think people come around and I feel like that movie is well regarded, but I say Deep Lucy is a movie people think is kind of crappy, right? Like I think people don't think it's a great movie. But I love it.

Speaker 1:
[07:38] But it exists in the zeitgeist. I think that that's the important thing. I was reading this thing with Paul Thomas Anderson's Casting Director and she said the interesting thing about one battle after another is it's a film and a movie. I thought that was an interesting thing to say because very rarely do we have both. There is a real divide. I think this is a year where you have a lot of films and a lot of these centers is like a film and a movie. But movies seem to get short shrift, but those are the ones that I've watched. Those are the comfort ones. Those are the ones that people like. No one's like, I love 2001, but no one's like, oh yeah, when I just want to chill out, I'm putting on 2001 and I'm just sitting in that.

Speaker 2:
[08:25] There are definitely people who do that. There are definitely people who do that. They're definitely blazing up and absolutely chilling out with 2001. But I agree with you. I am curious though, Mike, is there a franchise that you have quietly checked out of? Then like, now I'm good, I'm full?

Speaker 4:
[08:40] Oh man. Sadly for me, it's kind of been Star Wars, which I loved Star Wars and then now I'm like, there's just too much. I mean, I think the streamification of a lot of these movies too is not helpful. For something that meant so much to me at one point to be like, oh, I haven't watched Andor, which people love and I watched the first episode, I was like, it's really good. I just have like, I've just had my fill. You know, I'm done. I'm done with it.

Speaker 2:
[09:10] That has always been my theory actually, like why you can't just like spread the field with a franchise like that. Because as soon as a fan nopes out of one, in essence, they're noping out of their fandom. They're saying, I thought it was the biggest, I guess I'm not.

Speaker 4:
[09:25] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[09:26] But I also believe like I'm a big believer in getting out while happy. And I do it well with TV shows. Like that show Mr. Robot, I really liked it. And then I watched like one episode in like maybe the second or third season, probably the third season, where I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to stop now. I'm not going to, I did it with Homeland as well. I was like, and I'm out and I am leaving happy. And then everyone will complain about how this episode or this series went downhill and I tried to get out before. It's like, can you pull the ripcord and never go back? Because I think if you can go out satisfied, then it never is sullied in your mind. And I think, unfortunately, with many Star Wars fans, we all, we kept on eating after the expiration date.

Speaker 4:
[10:10] We're given so much now. We are like very, like the thing in the like in the 90s or the early 2000s, we're like, I wish they would do something like that. And now they do just do like whatever you wish for. It comes true. And it's a monkey's paw thing where you're just like, oh, I don't care. It's too much. I don't, I don't care. They need to like give it the same with like, I'm not that excited about the new Scream movie. I could be great. I haven't, you know, I'll see this. I'll see soon and I'll see it. You know what I mean? Like I'm not helping the matter as I go and see it, but like they should give it like a 15 year break or something. You know what I mean? Like maybe even a 20 year break before they come back to it. I, and it's that sort of thing now where they're like, I don't need to see TV shows of every movie I love. And then there's, it's like usually two or three seasons of the show. And like you're saying, Paul, I'm like it's too much. I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't need it. And also I wish they would make 10 seasons. Now I've gone back the other way where I like missed sitcoms and I wish they would make 10 seasons of shows. I don't want like two or three seasons of anything. More so just for work, I guess is how that's changed.

Speaker 1:
[11:16] We've been watching The Office and Rob Hubel was making fun of me the other day because I was like, we've been watching The Office and we're on like the fourth season right now. And I'm like, it's so funny. He's like, yeah. And I'm like, but you know, I guess like also like after watching like 60 episodes in the course of like a handful of weeks, it's so consistently good. And there's so many of them that I don't, it's impressive to me that there were 22 episodes and they were supersized episodes and they never really waver in quality. Like some are like, oh, that was fine. That was funny. But they were never bad, like, or so far never bad. Right? And it's, and...

Speaker 4:
[11:54] Bring it back. Bring that, bring that, instead of a season every three years or whatever that happens now. And then you get three seasons over the course of a decade. That's, that to me is like, I couldn't even, I didn't watch Stranger Things really. I'm a grump. I am also a grump. It appears the other is that... That's surprising. I am very opinionated and everyone thinks my opinions are bad. So I don't feel bad about it. I like what I like and I oftentimes will, people who listen to Doughboys, my podcast, will be baffled by my film takes. And that's why I shouldn't say them too often. I don't, it just gets me in trouble.

Speaker 1:
[12:31] Well, this is the spot.

Speaker 2:
[12:33] Yeah, is there a film that you have like doubled down on that you have super strong opinions on, but you've actually only seen it once and you're not planning on seeing it again?

Speaker 4:
[12:42] Oh man, that is a great question. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of movies like that where I'm like, that was great, but I like never want to watch it again. You know what I mean? Like, what was the one where it was like next to the concentration camp and it was all the sound, like it was basically like the sounds. I was gonna say Sound of Freedom, which it is not.

Speaker 2:
[13:02] Oh, we just forgot the title of that the other day.

Speaker 4:
[13:05] Zone of Interest.

Speaker 2:
[13:06] Zone of Interest.

Speaker 4:
[13:08] And like a movie like that where I'm like, oh, I like it, but I'm never gonna, it's like a hard thing to watch.

Speaker 1:
[13:14] That's, yeah, that's also not a comfort movie. It's like, I seen it, it's burnt into my brain. I don't know if I need to revisit that. But I guess to your point before, what's the opinion that people have come at you the hardest about that you have had? Because I've said things on How Did This Get Made where people still to this day, I brought up that a sled is a terrible gift. I was like, you shouldn't give a sled to anyone. A sled should just be something that you have in your house. We have a sled.

Speaker 4:
[13:44] That's one of Santa's original gifts.

Speaker 1:
[13:46] Yeah, I'm like, you don't need to get gifted a sled. The sled should be like, yes, we have a sled. It's a bad gift.

Speaker 4:
[13:54] That's true, I agree with that. If I had a child and someone gave him a sled, I'd be like, what are you doing here?

Speaker 1:
[14:00] Yeah, come on. You don't need a sled. What's a take that you've had that has lingered with you that Nick or the fans have continually raked you over the coals for?

Speaker 4:
[14:15] I didn't like the new Star Wars movies, which leads into it, and I was vocal about that, which was maybe the dumbest thing I had ever done. I shouldn't have been vocal about it, because also then you see awful people not like it for the bad reasons, and you're like, I don't dislike this movie because I'm an insul or whatever. Like, I just don't like the movie. And like, Nick Weigert changes mine quite a bit. After he watched Force Awakens, he texted me, I'm going to kill JJ Abrams. And then he completely flipped on it and was like, I like it. I like the movie. And I was just stuck in the zone of being like, I hate, I don't like the movie. So there's a lot of movies like that. And now I keep my mouth closed. But then on the opposite end of it, a lot of our Doughboys listeners don't get my love for Avatar. And I love Avatar. Like, I kind of-

Speaker 1:
[15:10] Whoa, speak about this. I need to hear this.

Speaker 4:
[15:13] All of them? I love Avatar. I love all of them, all three of them. And I've always, when I went and saw the first one and I saw it in 3D, I just think James Cameron, he knows what he's doing. I don't know. Like it's, they're entertaining movies. And also, CGI will like annoy me in a lot of films, but he's a guy who like uses CGI well and actually has a style with it. You know what I mean? Like he makes CGI look decent. And it's like, oh, it's like an artist working with this instead of like kind of a lot of like Marvel kind of gray goop. You know what I mean? Like that's that. And I don't love Marvel movies either, which I'm just on the wrong side. I have to celebrate every movie that gets people in the theaters. And I just shouldn't say my opinion on a lot of these movies. But I'm just like, I don't, they just don't do it for me. And I go and see every single one of them, by the way.

Speaker 1:
[16:05] Yeah, you're there. You're supporting.

Speaker 4:
[16:06] That's another, to the worst Marvel that people don't even see. I'm going to go and see it. You know what I mean? Like, so I am a hypocrite in that way, is that I will still go and see all of them.

Speaker 1:
[16:17] Like, by the way, I actually think that that makes you a better film goer because you are actually, like, you are going and saying, I don't like it, instead of not going and assuming that you won't like it. Like, I think that that's a big distinction. Like, you know, you actually subject yourself to the 90 minutes or, in the Avatar sense, three hours and 40 minutes.

Speaker 2:
[16:39] You have an earned opinion, which is rare and rare and rare these days.

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Speaker 4:
[20:15] Well, I'm also a bad moviegoer, I should say.

Speaker 1:
[20:19] Oh, really?

Speaker 4:
[20:20] I cannot.

Speaker 2:
[20:22] What is the most annoying thing about going to the movies with you?

Speaker 4:
[20:25] I will tell anyone who's talking or even has their phone open, they need to stop.

Speaker 1:
[20:29] You're that guy?

Speaker 4:
[20:31] I am that guy. I can't. It's changed. I forever was so afraid of people and I would just sit through noise. Then as I don't know, maybe it's a thing of when I hit 40, I was just like, I have no shame anymore. I'm going to go tell this person to stop doing it. I am, when it comes to, I'm very strict. Don't be using your phone. Don't be talking. Which I think is kind of basic, it is the basic human decency of going to a movie. You shouldn't do things like that. But then also, the fact that people are even out seeing movies is a plus, but if I see you open your phone twice, I will at that point be like, I'm going to say something to this person.

Speaker 2:
[21:15] How do you do it? What is your approach?

Speaker 1:
[21:16] I want to hear it.

Speaker 4:
[21:17] I'll be like, hey, excuse me, could you please put your phone away? I mean, that's what I do. I mean, it's not really yelling.

Speaker 1:
[21:21] No, but that's a nice way of doing it.

Speaker 4:
[21:23] I'll tell you, people get so mad at that even. It's insane. I've been like, hey, excuse me, could you put... I went and saw Friendship, and I saw this at the Vista Theater, where you're like, this is a movie theater that people who love movies go to, and this couple came in late during the movie, and they came in with a hot dog, and then this guy's girlfriend put on her flashlight, and he was putting on condiments on his hot dog, and I was just like... And then they started talking, and it was like five minutes into them being there, and they had said... They was back and forth five times, and I was like, hey, excuse me, can you please stop talking? And he got so mad. He was like, dude, we've said two things, and I was just like, all right, just please stop talking. And then at the end, when he was leaving, he stopped in front of my chair, and he nodded at me and put his hand out to shake his hand.

Speaker 2:
[22:20] Wow, he re-asserted his male dominance.

Speaker 4:
[22:24] Wow. Or like, it's like, we're good, bro, which I was like, get the fuck away from me. I don't know who you are. Shut up. I don't like it.

Speaker 5:
[22:32] Don't make me talk.

Speaker 1:
[22:34] It is a weird thing because I think that we've gotten so used to being home, and theaters have evolved in a way where there's a place in Bangkok called like the Bed Cinema, where they have beds now, you know, and you can watch it in a bed, which by the way, I'm not again.

Speaker 4:
[22:51] That's not actually, that's not too, I just feel like people are going to be sleeping at some point.

Speaker 1:
[22:56] Right. Well, that's it.

Speaker 2:
[22:57] When there's a blanket, I'll immediately fall asleep.

Speaker 1:
[22:59] Yeah, you give me three pillows, I'm done. I want to ask you, because I've said this to other people and they don't know what I'm talking about, but you might. Do you know what a freestyle machine is?

Speaker 4:
[23:10] Yes, the Coke freestyle machine.

Speaker 1:
[23:12] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[23:12] I got a take on this too.

Speaker 1:
[23:13] All right. I want to hear it, because I love, well, let me hear your take on the Coke freestyle machine.

Speaker 4:
[23:18] No, I hate that I just heard you say I love.

Speaker 1:
[23:20] Oh, no, no.

Speaker 4:
[23:20] Get rid of them.

Speaker 1:
[23:22] Get rid of them. Okay, why?

Speaker 4:
[23:24] I mean, the idea of it to me was like, this is so exciting. I am in love with the idea of this machine, but I think that in execution, it is this sort of thing where you're not getting the crispest, the most crisp version of a Coca-Cola as you would get straight from the spigot, because also they're using the same spigot. You know what I mean? I need to take apart one of these machines, which you'll read about me in Variety or something, as a crazy man who just took apart a freestyle machine. But I feel like the spigots are getting crossover. You're getting like a... I don't think it's as fresh as a straight from the spigot, like Coca-Cola or Cherry Coke.

Speaker 1:
[24:11] Have you ever washed it out?

Speaker 2:
[24:13] The crossover is the point. Because I want a little peach, I want a little-

Speaker 4:
[24:17] But that's not... No. No, that's not the point.

Speaker 1:
[24:21] The point isn't just to make suicides. Like, you can if you'd like, but the point is to really have every option at your disposal. Because you'll go to a theater sometimes, like, oh, we don't have that. They got it all.

Speaker 2:
[24:33] The point is absolutely to make suicides. I do nothing but make elaborate suicides or I just go straight for the club soda when she told me where to find it.

Speaker 1:
[24:40] Oh, I will mix club soda with-

Speaker 2:
[24:42] Club soda? Yeah, I just want something cold and fizzy. It's hidden. They had it, then they moved it, then they hid it somewhere else. Paul had to tell me where to find it because I was losing my mind and having to drink like diet root beer with raspberry in it.

Speaker 4:
[24:56] Oh, God. Wait, see, it's the same thing with TV. We're hitting on the same thing. They're giving us the dream scenario and it's like, this is just isn't, give me the 1950s soda spigot that's been there forever and just is like the crispest, most pure version of it. And I feel like-

Speaker 2:
[25:17] Wait, I have a moral question. Am I still allowed to call a suicide a suicide?

Speaker 4:
[25:22] That's a great question.

Speaker 1:
[25:23] Oh, you should call it, what do they call it on TikTok now? Like an unalive? You have to call it an unalive?

Speaker 2:
[25:32] I don't even know how that got started. It was called a suicide when I was a child. How did that even begin?

Speaker 1:
[25:36] Because you're so crazy, you're going to commit suicide by mixing Fanta and Coke and root beer? Come on, Amy, that's a death sentence.

Speaker 4:
[25:46] Also, by the way, I just want to say that I scared myself yelling out the purity of soda. It felt very, I was scary. But I do feel like when you get like a straight from the spigot cherry Coke or Coke, we talk on Doughboys about how McDonald's has the best Coca Cola. There's a reason for that is like they have like actual metal canisters that their syrup is in and you're getting like a very fresh version of it. And sometimes you'll get a bad one. But like, there's so many factors with those big machines, which I think they just put out there and then let sit all day, which is one, the fizz can go away to like the crossover between the different syrups. I have too many opinions on this. I feel like a loser.

Speaker 1:
[26:28] I love this though, because I'll tell you this. First of all, I want to give you a piece of advice and say, wash out that spigot just by putting some water through it. Give it a little bit of a cleansing mix.

Speaker 2:
[26:37] You wash your spigot?

Speaker 1:
[26:39] I'm just saying if that was my issue.

Speaker 2:
[26:41] Okay, but you don't do that. You're not that guy.

Speaker 1:
[26:43] No, I like the drinks that are catered to the specific films. And I remember one very particularly, which is the Top Gun Maverick ginger ale.

Speaker 4:
[26:55] I tried that.

Speaker 1:
[26:56] I thought it was very good. And I like that there's creations being made in this machine for the movie. That feels special to me.

Speaker 4:
[27:04] I like that too. I like that. But it feels like such a wave of like, we can mix it up in the machine or whatever. I would like it if it was like, hey, this is in stores too, which they don't do as much anymore. There's not as much of that crossover, which I love tie-in stuff. To me, going to Pizza Hut and getting a Casper hand puppet was such an important part of my life. And so much of that stuff is gone, or it's really cheaply done now. But I've gone to the freestyle machines. And I remember I went to one and it was like, the soda was hot. There was like, they're like, oh, there's a problem with the machine. And the soda was coming out hot. It was coming out at like 100 degrees.

Speaker 1:
[27:43] Oh my God.

Speaker 4:
[27:44] Or not 100, it was like, you felt it in the cup and you're like, it's hot. It's like warm.

Speaker 2:
[27:49] It feels like it was like a teaser for a Roland Emmerich movie or something like that. Like the volcano machine. But wait, wait, wait. What about souvenir popcorn buckets? Are you a souvenir popcorn bucket guy?

Speaker 4:
[27:59] I am a bit of a hoarder, so I try not to, I had like a, I think I had, was it like a Force Awakens bucket? And I was like, I don't even like this movie. And I have this bucket just sitting in my house that I need to get rid of. So for me, as like a person who hoards and collects too much, I try not to get anything like that. But I did want the dune, the fuckable dune bucket.

Speaker 1:
[28:22] I had the dune bucket.

Speaker 2:
[28:23] I had the fuckable dune bucket.

Speaker 1:
[28:25] By the way, I will say this. For those of you who, I have a tendency to hoard or collect things. AMC does have a retail site that when movies leave the theater, they will sell you the popcorn bucket at a very discounted rate. I got a Gladiator 2 popcorn bucket for $5 because it was so stupid and well, and just terribly designed. It's just the Colosseum.

Speaker 2:
[28:52] Isn't it a Colosseum? Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[28:53] That's it. There's no more, it was like the least thought was put into the Gladiator 2 popcorn bucket. It's like, uh, Colosseum got done. Meanwhile, the Project Hail Mary one has a Ryan Gosling ejecting out of the popcorn bucket or it has a helmet. Yeah, no, they-

Speaker 4:
[29:14] They're getting too crazy with, they're getting too crazy with them, but I kind of do enjoy seeing what the hell they're doing. And you know what, if that's your thing, if you like collecting them, I love it. Like, that's different to me than like the Top Gun soda, which I did like, I liked that Top Gun soda, but I wish that they did more of it. I wish it was out in the world. I wish we were seeing that in 7-Eleven or whatever, you know? I appreciate that, yeah. Which they still do a little bit, but not as much anymore. Also, I, just to say it, I like, I can barely watch movies at home and this is just an attention span issue. Like I need to go, I need to go to the theater. That's another thing with me is like I- So like there's so many classics that I still need to see, which is like I tried, I'm trying to watch like 150 movies this year and all new movies this year. That's what I'm trying to do, which is probably for you guys is, I'm sure is nothing. But I, it is that thing of like, I try to watch a movie in my house and I just get too distracted. I get why people pull their phones out in movies. It is such a distraction. And when I'm home, I like can't beat that distraction. But in the theater, I don't do it at all.

Speaker 1:
[30:21] Ryan Coogler said something that I thought articulated the theater verse home experience so well, which was when he is watching something scary or disturbing, he finds himself reaching for his phone or taking a break. And he goes, and that actually wrecks the movie. Like you are, you know, wrecking the filmmaker's intention for the feeling that you are supposed to have. It's not out of boredom, it's out of uncomfortability. And I was like, oh, that's so smart. Like you're not allowing yourself to experience the film the way it was intended. And not like, oh, you're not looking at it in the right way or you're distracted. It's no, no, like you literally are creating a pause that is not there. And I thought that was like a genius way of looking at watching movies at home, especially like scary movies or things like that, where you can just stop it if it gets too intense for you.

Speaker 3:
[31:16] 100%.

Speaker 4:
[31:16] And I don't, I've saw Sinners in Theaters and I don't think I would like it as much if I saw it at home and just looking at my phone every few, I mean, like that is also, here's the, and I've said this on Doughboys and it's got me in trouble, but like, I hate Netflix. Like, I think they're a bad company and they are trying to, I mean, look, and I don't like Paramount trying to buy Warner Brothers either, but I'm like, Netflix to me, like the idea of like, integrating phone watching into movies and wanting to end the theatrical experience to me, I'm like, they're evil too, they're also evil. I want neither of them to buy Warner Brothers. I like, I very much hate that company and I think they're anti-movie. So that is, that's another one of my confessions. So I'll say it outright. It's not good for someone who's, I guess, an actor saying things like that either, but I like-

Speaker 1:
[32:04] Well, I'm more worried about your Netflix video podcast of Doughboys, you know?

Speaker 4:
[32:10] They're coming for podcasts too now. They're coming after everything, which I'm just like, we don't, it doesn't all need to be one big blob of media. You know what I mean? Why do we have to put like podcasting and TV and movies all into one big stupid blob?

Speaker 1:
[32:25] And video games. Yeah, there's video games.

Speaker 4:
[32:27] Yeah, no.

Speaker 1:
[32:28] I guess, you know, whenever, I will see you casually, but since I have kids, I don't get to see you casually that much, but when I hear you on Doughboys, I'm like, oh, these are opinions that I guess in my mind, I assume a different thing, and then you're always constantly surprising me. I guess, what are, and for, you know, in this moment, you're like Mount Rushmore of movies. Like what are like the, like your perfect movies, not what are perfect movies, but like, what are your like, these are my four faves.

Speaker 4:
[32:58] This is, this is so scary to me because I feel like.

Speaker 1:
[33:02] Right now, we're just saying in this moment, it could change tomorrow. You could wyger it.

Speaker 4:
[33:06] I mean, see, this is the thing that like if I, like if I was ever asked, like Letterboxd, which I'll never be asked, but the Letterboxd, like your four movies. I feel like people would think I was so basic because like Goodfellas for me and Amy, I know that, I know. I didn't say a thing. I think I've gotten mad at you in person over this before.

Speaker 1:
[33:28] Thank you, me too. We spent a whole episode arguing over this, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[33:32] Goodfellas is like a movie that made me like love movies and I think it's very, it's funny and dramatic and it's the best movie of all time to me and I still am shocked by your take on it. But, I mean, even more recently, I love Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and I feel like I'm gonna be labeled as like a basic film bro or whatever. But the thing is another one I love and that is kind of like also a bro movie. Like thing would be, and honestly, Jurassic Park and it just makes me sound dumb. Because I don't have any Cassavetes or something in there. You know what I mean? Yeah, but that's like that. I was rewatching the Minority Report and I was like, I love this movie so much. And that could be in my top four. Like there's a lot of movies that I just, that seem basic to me. And I never get like the, you know, when people are like, actually, Forrest Gump was bad. Like, Forrest Gump is good. What are you talking about? Forrest Gump is a good movie. Like maybe some things didn't age well with it. Sure, I can get behind that. Sure, but like I'm like, it still is a good movie. In Shawshank Redemption, I can watch it a million times on TNT. It's great. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think that that's basic. I don't care.

Speaker 2:
[34:44] Honestly, if we had a Hollywood that had more films like that all the time, we'd all be in a happier place.

Speaker 4:
[34:49] Oh my god, yes.

Speaker 2:
[34:50] To be like nothing but banger, banger, banger, banger.

Speaker 1:
[34:52] Well, I mean, this is why I do think your movie, Napa Boys, which depending on when you're hearing this, is either in theaters or on VOD right now, is a movie that you need to see with people. I think that that's what people forget. Comedies are great with people. I saw a movie in South by Southwest that destroyed, and then I read some reviews of it that were like, and this is not Napa Boys, that were like, oh, it doesn't really work. I'm like, well, no, when you're sitting in a theater, it's working, right? But when you're sitting at home, you don't know. And it's like, why I think a laugh track is on a lot of sitcoms. Like, it's just telling you, that's funny, that's funny. And that's the thing that I miss the most, seeing a comedy, like seeing Jackass in the theater blew my mind. I was like, oh, amazing.

Speaker 4:
[35:42] Honestly, Jackass 2 is maybe in my top four.

Speaker 1:
[35:46] I agree, I'm like one of my, it's one of my favorite movies, those people. Yeah, they're awesome.

Speaker 4:
[35:52] One of the funniest, one of the fun, like the most fun theater going experiences I've ever had in my entire life. And Napa Boy, yes, it is, Napa Boys is the fourth installment in the Napa Boy films. It is the Napa Boy franchise.

Speaker 1:
[36:04] Yes, talk to us a little bit about this. Yeah, cause they.

Speaker 4:
[36:07] It started with Alexander Payne's Sideways, and then the many spinoff movies that's come after the Napa Boys. Napa Boys 1 was its own thing, and then all the spinoffs afterwards that were straight to DVD. But this one's back in the theaters.

Speaker 1:
[36:20] That's really exciting. Kind of like the way the American Pie kind of took a break from, you know, they did 3, then they had like the Miracle Mile or whatever.

Speaker 4:
[36:29] Oh, yes, the Naked Mile Bandcamp. They had all those, and those were straight to DVD. But then like American Wedding was back in theaters. It's this.

Speaker 1:
[36:36] Right. Wow.

Speaker 4:
[36:37] Napa Boys is just like that. Also, by the way, a movie that a lot of Letterboxd people will say this didn't work for me. I personally love it. Well, it's a very interesting and divisive movie. I told the directors when I went to the premiere and was watching half the audience love it, more than half the audience. I'd say like 80 percent of the audience love it. Then some people walk out of the theater. I was like, that's a badge of honor. It reminded me of South Park or South Park, the movie. I think that it pushes the boundaries without being edgelordy. It's a very funny, great movie that is nothing I've never seen before, which is like, that's what I want to see. I saw it's this weird movie that's like nothing I've ever seen, and I'm proud to be a part of it, and I'm proud of those guys, but it is very weird.

Speaker 1:
[37:31] I will say that one of the cool things about the movie is it was independently financed in the sense that you didn't have to answer to notes, and you got to make something that was just a pure thing, that was just from a creative idea, and I think when you look back at a lot of movies that came out in the 70s and 80s, you see that, you're like, oh, this is just somebody's idea that was seen through, no one's trying to make it a four quadrant thing. I think that you need to have movies that work for some people and don't work for others, but because it's such a bold swing in being in part of the sideways universe, and I know that we already talked about you wanting to kill Alexander Payne, has anyone or have you heard anything from those people at all? Are they, even do you know if they're aware of this as a premise of Napa Boys?

Speaker 4:
[38:24] I think that, no, I think when I went to a Soho house screening the other day, and there was a lot of people in there where I was like, there was probably 15 people total in there. It was not a big announced thing, and it was before the premiere even. There was about 15 people or so in there, and at the end of the movie, there was about two left, but they were loving it. The other people that I was like, there's an older lady with white hair who I think thinks this is a sideways spinoff movie, and there's a scene in the movie where I was like, she's going to leave as soon as the scene happens, and the scene happened, and she left, and I knew it was going to happen. But I was having a blast still. I thought it was very fun, and I think with an audience, it's definitely, I shouldn't say this about a movie, but it's trying to alienate even comedians at every point that it can. It's trying to push people out, but it's very, very, very funny. I think that people who love comedy will love it. I think it will be like a cult classic sort of movie, but.

Speaker 1:
[39:33] Now, in that moment, if you're just a fan, you're not in the movie, you're watching it, are you laughing, are you a laugher in the theater, or do you read the room and then adjust your laugh based on like, okay, it's a little bit more muted in here, are you enjoying it, are you cape fearing it, like De Niro watching?

Speaker 4:
[39:53] I'll cape fear. I don't think that I'm a very vocal person in the theaters anyways, but I will cape. During that screening, I was laughing more that people were getting up and leaving. I thought it was very funny. And someone was like, are you like, they were like, are you embarrassed by the fact that, someone that we were with, like, are you embarrassed by the fact that people are leaving? I was like, no, I actually like, I kind of, I truly think it is like a badge of honor. And also like you were saying, Paul, it's that sort of thing of, I think it's so cool of those guys to self finance and go make it and forever, I think so many funny people I know have, you know, like you have to wait and make something and myself included. You know, like when I first saw Human Giant, which I love, by the way, I had the Doritos sketch, one of the all-time great sketches. Thank you so much. And Waller and you are such funny people. And I think for us as a sketch group at the time, we're like, we can't wait to be given our shot of like having a show or something, you know, and we did work and we like made YouTube videos. We did make stuff our own. And I think that that helped us get a show or whatever. But then forever with with entertainment, I feel like you're just like, you're waiting for someone to give you the nod or be like, here you are, I'm putting you in this movie or this show or whatever. And I'm really proud of those guys for making a comedy that I think is super funny and original and just going out and doing it on their own. And then now it's in theaters. And I hope that it inspires so many funny people I know to do the same thing. Like I want more people to just make comedy movies. And like you're saying, let's force them into theaters. You know what I mean? Let's make that happen because they don't... Netflix has decided that comedies are made for streaming. You know what I mean? I'm like, that's fucking bullshit. Fuck that.

Speaker 1:
[41:37] And you're not only in theaters, but there is a standee in one of the big theaters out here, a big AMC theater. There's a Napa Boys SUV or a truck, the wagon.

Speaker 4:
[41:50] Yeah, the wine wagon.

Speaker 1:
[41:52] The wine wagon is there. You could get in it just next to the Project Hail Mary or, you know, a space chair or whatever it is. Like, there is a standee. And, you know, like, this is it. This is like, yeah, embrace comedy and go see it there. Because I think that so many people wrote off MacGruber and it didn't do anything. And then all of a sudden...

Speaker 4:
[42:14] Honestly, that's in my top four. MacGruber is my favorite. I love MacGruber, yes.

Speaker 1:
[42:18] And it comes on and it's so strong.

Speaker 4:
[42:20] Wait a minute, you're saying the other one shouldn't? Is Amy implying that the other one...

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Speaker 1:
[45:21] This is the question I want to ask you because you said to me before and I want to see the difference between you and I and I don't know where you'll fall on this and Amy this is to you as well. I really like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I was at a table of and I'm not going to name drop the names but they were people that if I name drop them they're like, oh shit, those are big people. And one of them said, oh, I hate that movie. And the other two chimed in that they also hated it. I really like it. And then what did I do? I didn't jump in but I didn't also defend it. I just kind of sat there like I am in table agreement with it. Where do you two fall? If three people are hating on a movie that you like, do you say no? I mean, depending on your friends. But I'm saying these are for all intents and purposes, celebrities, famous people, real filmmakers. Do you, yeah, what do you do?

Speaker 4:
[46:21] And it was Paul Thomas Anderson, who's the one person who I love that guy. If he was saying it, I maybe would stay quiet. But I think anyone else in the world, I would chime in and be like, I love that movie. I think I would go out on a limb and just be like, I really love, but I get like wanting to stay quiet and like not putting my foot in my mouth or like having these people who I would think just have like more cinematic knowledge than I do to just kind of destroy me in a conversation about it. But, and that's okay, you know what I mean? Like I'll eat shit and still be like, oh, I like it.

Speaker 1:
[46:56] By the way, it's live with me because I've literally, like I'm like, wow, why did I not say a goddamn thing in that conversation? I was like, I was like, nope. What would you do, Amy? Would you do it?

Speaker 2:
[47:06] I'm the opposite. If it was Paul Thomas Anderson, I would tell him he was wrong. But if it was like some 14-year-old kid, I would just be really curious and ask him a gazillion questions and try to figure it out. Because I don't want to lay down like, well, I'm a critic and here is how you should feel to somebody if I can pull out what's interesting about their completely wrong opinion. But I will defend it to the death if I feel like it's somebody who's wrong, who actually has power and should be making more movies like that.

Speaker 1:
[47:34] Well, we heard you're Goodfellas. We know. We know that you will defend a point that people disagree with to the dead.

Speaker 2:
[47:40] I'm slowly winning hearts and minds. By the time I die, I will have pulled Goodfellas over into the part of the canon. I'll pull it over to a million dollars baby. I'm getting there. I'm getting there.

Speaker 4:
[47:51] I think it's a beautiful thing about movies, but I do think you are on chaotic evil side.

Speaker 2:
[47:59] Every time an argument comes up like Marker Bobby is too old to be in Weathering Heights, I go in, yes, what if we talk about Goodfellas as well? Then I can slowly build momentum.

Speaker 5:
[48:08] I'm working on this.

Speaker 4:
[48:09] I don't agree with that either. I'm saying she should be in Weathering Heights. I'm saying that Ray Liotta should be in Goodfellas. I have no problem with the magic of the movies. By the way, I think that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is my favorite Tarantino movie, which I think is a controversial take because of Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction and everything.

Speaker 1:
[48:30] To me, Jackie Brown is my favorite.

Speaker 4:
[48:32] I love Jackie Brown too. And Jackie Brown is in my top three, but I think that that movie broke a lot of people's brains, so I'm not surprised to hear directors be like, I actually don't like that movie because I feel like there was so many movies. There was a slew of movies after that that were like 70s Hollywood, and it was like, I think this movie broke some people's brains, and it was that good. And maybe I would maybe be like, I hate, and I do that sometimes too, when there's something that I sometimes have to check myself and be like, you're artistically jealous. You're like jealous of this movie, and I do it, and I'm sure bigger directors do it too, and I think it's okay to admit that. And there's movies I see there, I'm like, I don't like that. And then I'll sit at home and be like, you're jealous. That's what it is.

Speaker 1:
[49:17] I mean, I've been watching, like I said, The Office, and there's been moments where, in watching, I'm like, how come I was never asked to be on The Office? I'm like, the mission's been off the air for years. And I'm like, god damn it.

Speaker 4:
[49:31] You should have been asked to be on it.

Speaker 1:
[49:32] Thank you, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4:
[49:33] I auditioned for The Office and was like, not for the original, but for like, it was Kathy Bates' son that then turned into Michael Scott's nephew, and I was still very green at the time. And Alison Jones, who I love, I went in and auditioned for this, and I remember I finished it and she was like, that was well memorized, and I was like, oh. Oh. I was like, damn, oh, that sucks.

Speaker 1:
[49:58] That's a pretty, that's a good slam, too. It's a subtle slam.

Speaker 4:
[50:02] Wow. And it was that thing where I was like, I did just only like, like it was like a child memorizing like a speech for his fifth grade class or something. Like I was just so afraid of doing a bad job instead of like doing a good job, you know, it was just like.

Speaker 1:
[50:19] It's hard.

Speaker 4:
[50:19] It's hard. We don't need the, we don't need the, we don't need the office. You were on Parks and Rec, weren't you?

Speaker 1:
[50:25] Yeah, I was. Yes, I was on one. Yeah, yeah, we got it. We got it.

Speaker 4:
[50:29] Yeah, we got it.

Speaker 2:
[50:30] Well, Mike, we always close out with a thing that we call the cinema repentance booth, which is your chance at the end of this confessional to make amends to something in the world of cinema, to make formal amends. It can be anything that you feel a little bit of shame about.

Speaker 4:
[50:46] Okay. I'm ashamed. This is for Amy. I'm sorry for my love of Goodfellas. I wear it on my sleeve. I think maybe I should apologize for liking so many bro movies. You know what I mean? I do have basic tastes a lot of the time. And I think when I was younger, when I was like 20 years old, I think I thought like a movie in black and white was homework. And I think that I have wasted so many years not seeing classic movies because that was where my head was at. It was like, this feels like homework. And in film school, that basically is homework. And that's how I associated it with it. And so I apologize to everything before 1970s that was made, that I am now doing my due diligence on.

Speaker 1:
[51:40] I love that.

Speaker 2:
[51:41] That's beautiful. As an assignment, I would like to assign you a black and white movie to watch as part of your year.

Speaker 4:
[51:49] I would love that, please.

Speaker 2:
[51:51] Fantastic. I'm going to assign you the black and white movie that made me fall in love with movies when I was a freshman film student. Oh my God. A film that I took in a class called Films in Context of the Great Depression. It is called Footlight Parade.

Speaker 4:
[52:06] Footlight Parade.

Speaker 2:
[52:07] It's by Busby Berkeley. You know Busby Berkeley who did all like the crazy dance numbers, like from above? Yes, yes.

Speaker 4:
[52:12] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:13] This movie is about the movies. It's about a time in movie history where every movie opened not with trailers but with like a live preview vaudeville entertainment to get you excited about the movie you were about to see. So it's about the people doing dance numbers to get you excited to watch the movie. It has some of the most amazing footage you'll ever see. Some boring parts where you're going to have to not pick up your phone. You're going to have to not pick up your phone. You can't do it. But I think when you make it to that final half hour, you're going to lose your mind. You're going to be so happy.

Speaker 4:
[52:43] What I love about the Vista is that they do just show classic movies like this. But this is an even deeper cut, I feel like, than they would show.

Speaker 1:
[52:52] The only way that I know about the Footlight Parade is because it was in the great movie ride at the Disney MGM Studios back in the day. It was the opening thing when you go on the little tram because they had all the swimmers. That's the big thing in Footlight Parade.

Speaker 4:
[53:06] When you said that director, is it Buzz Lee Berkeley?

Speaker 2:
[53:09] Yeah. He got drunk and he designed crazy shit in his bathtub and you can tell that here.

Speaker 4:
[53:14] When you said that, I was like, it's the swimmer and so that's the same movie. Oh my God. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[53:19] All right.

Speaker 4:
[53:19] I'm watching it. I've never seen it before.

Speaker 2:
[53:21] You're going to love it. What to pay attention to when you get to the musical numbers too is A, how they're all about sex, they're all totally about sex without being able to say they're about sex, and there's even a sexy cat number early on.

Speaker 4:
[53:32] Wow. A sexy cat number. All right. That's, as a huge cat fan, I also love this. Not that I am attracted to cats, to be clear, but.

Speaker 2:
[53:42] I'm working my way into your heart. Yeah. If you're into furries, you will like this film.

Speaker 4:
[53:47] I own too. So that's Irma. But I'm very excited to watch this. This is great. Look, I am excited about the horny cat scene. What can I say?

Speaker 1:
[53:59] Mike, this is amazing. I'm so happy that you're here. Everyone go see Napa Boys in theaters. And if you're listening to this after it's out of theaters, watch it at home, but bring over some friends and enjoy it. Yeah. You know, just don't watch it by yourself.

Speaker 4:
[54:12] Watching the College Dorm with your buddies, that's like, it comes out, it releases on Video On Demand, I believe on 420, which I think was intentional by those guys, like an old American pie, straight to DVD movie or something. So yeah, check it out in theaters if you can. And if not, it will be on demand soon.

Speaker 1:
[54:28] Amazing.

Speaker 2:
[54:29] Break into a dorm if you got one in your neighborhood. Go ahead.

Speaker 4:
[54:33] That's always my advice.

Speaker 1:
[54:37] All right. Thank you, Mike. You can listen to Doughboys wherever you get your podcast. You can catch Twisted Metal on Peacock right now, and you can see the Napa Boys in theaters now. And if it's after 420, then guess what? It's on streaming. You can follow Mike on Instagram at MyNamesMitch, and we'll see you next time in The Confession. Unspooled is produced by Amy Nicholson, Paul Scheer, Molly Reynolds, and Harry Nelson. Sound engineered by Corey Barton, music by Devin Bryant, episode art by Kim Troxell, show art by Lee Jamison, and social media production by Zoe Applebaum. This is a Rome production. See you next week. Bye for now.

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