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Speaker 1:
[00:01] The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

Speaker 2:
[00:04] Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey, hey, hey, happy Tuesday, everybody. How are you doing? I'm not great. I'm not not great. I'm getting over my horrible night, which it upsets me on a deep level, the night that I had, because, listen, I really try, okay? I really try to eat healthy most of the time, okay? And then it's like, okay, I was having a little craving. I had some healthier ice cream in my freezer and I went down. I went down on a pint and enjoyed every bite. And I was like, yeah, that's what happens sometimes. Like sometimes you have a craving, you give into it and do it. But that was like 10 p.m., right? So then I didn't go to bed. Maybe, yeah, got into the bed situation 11, couldn't fall asleep, couldn't fall asleep. Probably I didn't want to look at my phone, probably to like 1 a.m. I think like my body was like digesting that sugar or whatever. And then I finally fell asleep, woke up maybe 30 minutes after falling asleep, heart pounding out of my chest, sweating through my pajamas and stomach just knots. Like not, not, not well. The gut wasn't well, like felt like I had to poop. So I was like, and by the way, like I think I've spoken about this before, but things like that, that are like physical kind of different feelings, like gives me anxiety. So then I get like anxiety on top of what I'm already physically dealing with. So then the heart is like beating even faster. And I'm kind of like, you know, like, cause you wake up in a panic, I feel like when you wake up sweating and all those things. And I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do an easy one plus one here and say like, it's because of the fucking ice cream that I ate that my body was processing that I don't know. I don't, I'm not a scientist, but like sugar up, you know, dairy, all that. And it just sucks. I'm like, okay, can I not? Like I probably can, you know, on a don't take it too far level. I think a pint was too far for my body. It's so funny that those are my like wake up ad. Like it's not like a hangover. I really realized yesterday I went to do my annual and she was like drinking and I was like, no, like I used to be like one to two a week. Like I was still on the low end of drinking. But now like drinking, like I don't drink. It's not like a choice, but it's literally like unless I'm at an event and I'll like take a glass of champagne or go to dinner with friends, you know, or then yeah, I'll get like a glass of wine or but but it's so not well, it's definitely not a daily thing and it's barely a weekly thing. It's maybe like once a month kind of thing. So it should be really skinny is what you're saying. I'm like, some people are drinking every day and they're like, they look hotter than me. Like I just don't get it. Also, I went to sleep yesterday after with the ice cream regrets, which I feel like you guys are going to think I have an eating disorder now. But I had just talked in the DMs with somebody, somebody I follow posted that she's like trying peptides. And I literally had to ask you, Chad GPT, what are peptides? I know that's how behind I am. And then it said like there's like there's so many. So now like the weight loss ones go into the peptide category, but also there's like peptides that are for aging and stuff like that. So I was like, should I be doing the peptides? Like not the weight loss ones, but the other ones. But then I was like, wait, should I, if this girl who's three pounds, that girl's three pounds, told me she's on Zip Bound, okay, for like the peptide world. I don't think she thinks she needs to lose weight, because that would be crazy. But as part of like the peptide regimen of all the other peptide stuff. I'm like, am I the only person on fucking planet Earth? Like, and I do think, you know, for me it was like a, when those Zempik stuff first started rolling around, I think I was a little like judgmental about people taking it, they didn't need it. And then I kind of was like, everybody do what they want. Like my opinion did shift, you know, about it. And it's become so normalized. So obviously like my opinion changed and like everyone I know is on it as well. So no judgment on my part. And also even in my mind, a daily question of like, why, why not me? Why not me? Why not me? Why am I the only person not on it? And I don't mean the only person doing it the right way, because like I'm doing my best. I'm like eating well and I'm like trying to work out. But your girl doesn't get down from a certain weight. Like I feel like it's made for people like me, you know, like for like a Mindy Kaling, an Oprah Winfrey. I'm not putting myself in the same category like the same weight. I'm just saying like people that their whole lives like couldn't get past a certain weight no matter what they did kind of vibes, which like Mindy Kaling, like her saying it was from hiking was like annoying. But like I totally understand why she would want to take it and why she like, you know, it was a good candidate for it. You know, I do think it was wild to come out with this swimsuit campaign right after. And the article said, you know, I started hiking. That is wild. You don't know it's anything, but don't fucking like taunt us like that. You know what I mean? So I'm just saying like, if I ever tried it, I would tell you, don't you worry about it. And I would probably be nauseous and wake up sweating with my heart beating out of my chest just like yesterday. That made me realize that too. Like that's because the girl that's so skinny that's doing it. She was like, how like not in a mean way, but she was like, you haven't tried. And I was like, no, no. I was like, I think it stems more from my anxiety because like side effects scare me. Like I'm scared to take a supplement, okay? Anyway, let's get into our guest today because this was such a fricking exciting guest for me. Like, I mean, the nostalgia, the cult. I mean, it's not even culty because it's worldwide sensation of a show in the 90s, like obsessed with the 90s. This show curated my growing up. I was watching it way too early. It is just a cultural. It's a monument of our culture. It's a cultural monument. It's a historical show, okay? Like, I don't know what other words to use for this show. I'll just go, which by the way, if you go listen to that intro right now, and you don't get chills all over your body, then we're not the same. 90210, Beverly Hills, 90210. Dun-a-na-na, dun-a-na-na, shh-shh. Anyway, Kelly Taylor, we all wanted to be her, dress like her, have two guys fight over us like her, and Jennie Garth who played Kelly Taylor is here today. I am so excited for you guys to hear this conversation. I listened to her book, I Choose Me, which was so good and so insightful, and she's definitely not Kelly Taylor. She's very different than Kelly Taylor. So I loved getting to know her because I feel like, and I said this throughout the interview, drink every time I say it, I watched this show so young before I was obviously reading tabloids because I was probably 11 or 10. So I was aware of the characters, right? We were all obsessed with Kelly Taylor or Brandon or Brenda or Dylan, but we weren't aware of the actors at our age, you know? And obviously later I was knew them, but it just made it that much more special to get to know her on a deeper level from her book and then in this interview. So enjoy. Yay!

Speaker 1:
[08:11] Hi.

Speaker 2:
[08:11] Jennie Garth is here. I've been listening to your voice for the past, finish it pretty quick, your book.

Speaker 1:
[08:17] You listen to the audio.

Speaker 2:
[08:18] I listen to it. I'm an audio book girlie.

Speaker 1:
[08:20] How did I do?

Speaker 2:
[08:21] You did so good.

Speaker 1:
[08:23] You're just saying that.

Speaker 2:
[08:24] No, I swear to God that you did so good that I was thinking like, because I assume you recorded on different days, no? I'm like, how don't I feel like it's a different day? Oh, good. Because I feel like I would come in like raspy or one day or like, and you had the same tone throughout the whole thing.

Speaker 1:
[08:47] Well, my director put me through the warm up.

Speaker 2:
[08:52] What did you do like?

Speaker 1:
[08:54] Oh, yeah. She sells seashells by the seashore. Oh, wow. This is a good one. Red leather. What is it? Red leather purple. Yeah. Red leather purple leather.

Speaker 2:
[09:05] Red leather purple leather. Why would we be so bad at audiobook? But I love when, because I listen to novels and fiction as well, but I love when it's non-fiction and the author is narrating it because it really feels like you're just telling me your story.

Speaker 1:
[09:26] Right. Right.

Speaker 2:
[09:26] Yeah. I loved your book so much.

Speaker 1:
[09:28] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[09:29] So your book, I Choose Me, Chasing Joy, Finding Purpose, and Embracing Reinvention. This is your second memoir.

Speaker 1:
[09:37] It is actually. My first was quite a while ago now. It just was a little lighter, a little bit more palpable, I think. This one's steeper and more, I've lived a lot more life since that book.

Speaker 2:
[09:51] Right. That's what I was thinking when reading your book, because a lot of people are writing books nowadays.

Speaker 1:
[09:57] Right.

Speaker 2:
[09:58] Almost everyone.

Speaker 1:
[09:58] Right.

Speaker 2:
[09:59] And I was like, here's a person that should be writing a book, that has a story to tell. You know what I mean? That has a lot. And I feel like there's even some more that you could tell probably.

Speaker 1:
[10:14] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[10:14] Right?

Speaker 1:
[10:15] For sure. There's more that I, there's a lot that I left out.

Speaker 2:
[10:18] Right.

Speaker 1:
[10:18] That ended up, you know, getting edited out. I feel like I have another book in me for sure.

Speaker 2:
[10:23] You do. Right. What made you write another one now, like this timing?

Speaker 1:
[10:28] Wow. That's a good question. Why not? Is the answer, right? Like, I had the opportunity. And I love when a door opens. I don't ever, you know, not at least peek around the corner and see what's in there. So, I also kind of came to this place in my life in my fifties. You get a different perspective on things. And all the work that I've done, my personal work that I've done, and my journey sort of reached a point where I felt like, oh my gosh, I've learned so much. I want to share this with other people. And my parents are both educators. So, I think it's just kind of in my blood to want to help people. And yeah, like teach what I've learned. I shouldn't just keep it to myself. It's not really doing anybody else any good. And I do it with my girls. Like, I teach them everything I learn, and they teach me everything they learn. So, it's just, I wanted to kind of write this book, tell my story. Well, initially, I didn't want to tell my story. Initially, I wanted to just be a self-help book because I love self-help books. I grew up with self-help books. My mom had them when I was just a little girl all around every bookshelf. I just would sit around and read them and I just found them fascinating. I think if I had gone to college, I probably would have studied psychology.

Speaker 2:
[11:45] You would have been a therapist.

Speaker 1:
[11:47] I think maybe because I really love helping people.

Speaker 2:
[11:49] No, I could tell that, I know this sounds like cliche, but I could tell that you've done the work, the work, introspective. How did you get to that place where you're like, because you did journaling, you went abroad and did meditative stuff, right? What are the biggest things that helped you become this version of yourself?

Speaker 1:
[12:15] I think it was just asking the question, what do I want next? What do I want to focus my precious time on, and what do I not want to focus my time on? And just getting really clear about that first. But honestly, I was just stuck. I was like, I've got to do some work because I want to change, just not just for myself, but for my girls, but yeah, also for myself. I want to live, I want to be happy. And there was a certain period of my life where I just couldn't find the happy. And I would look around and I would see all these people living these happy, joyous lives and I couldn't get out of my own way.

Speaker 2:
[12:52] So you talk about mental health a lot in the book, which I think is, I mean, nowadays people are being more open about it, but I mean, back in the day, the stigma around it. So since when were you kind of struggling with that kind of thing? What age did it start for you?

Speaker 1:
[13:08] I was kind of born a blue person. Really? I don't know if everybody kind of knows what that means. It's like I didn't, I wasn't born with like, you know, rainbows and unicorns flying out of my ass. I was, you know, like I like to think deeply, I feel things deeply. And so I was always trying to sort of manage that. You know, I just, my nickname when I was a little girl was Puddles because I cried a lot. So like I was just very sensitive to things. And as I got older, I really tried to shut that down because it was brought to my attention that being emotional was too much for some people, or it felt like they were trying to tell me that it wasn't a good thing. And I really kind of decided to flip that script because I wanted to be emotional. I don't want to be cut off from my emotions. I don't want to lose my voice. And so now I just say I am emotion full.

Speaker 2:
[14:02] I love that in the book. And it's so important, I think still, because people think about people like you or in the public eye or people that have been on TV shows or in movies. We just assume like they must be so happy.

Speaker 1:
[14:16] They've got it all together.

Speaker 2:
[14:18] They have the money, they have the fame, they have the cameras, they have the glam.

Speaker 1:
[14:20] And also, you can't complain when you're in that position.

Speaker 2:
[14:23] Right.

Speaker 1:
[14:23] Or else you look like wah wah me, you know?

Speaker 2:
[14:26] Right.

Speaker 1:
[14:26] But hi, we're all humans, like living this human life. And it's not easy.

Speaker 2:
[14:31] And like everyone has emotions and even more so when you're, maybe more so when you're in those high intensity situations. Like, I mean, 90210, you guys, I listen to the theme song. Full body chills.

Speaker 1:
[14:49] Every time I hear it, like, yes.

Speaker 2:
[14:50] You too? By the way, my husband, not that I always like, I don't know why I give him no credit in this world. Like, I'm still surprised that he, you know, because he grew up on it too. But when I told him you were coming on, he was so excited. When I was listening to the theme song in the car, he was like, I was like, oh my God, I just got literal chills. He goes, me too. And I think it's everybody.

Speaker 1:
[15:12] It brings you right back to a very specific day and age before social media, before cell phones, before the internet. Like you go back to this place of we, it's so fondly remembered in our hearts and in our history.

Speaker 2:
[15:27] Truly. I think Kelly Taylor. I remember where I was when Kelly got shot. Like I remember how that affected me.

Speaker 1:
[15:38] In the parking lot?

Speaker 2:
[15:40] Yes. I remember where I was with my sister. By the way, try to do the math. I was probably too young.

Speaker 1:
[15:45] You shouldn't have been watching.

Speaker 2:
[15:46] I was probably, because 1990 to 2000, I would assume she got shot, what, in 1995?

Speaker 1:
[15:57] Wait, so do you have an older sister?

Speaker 2:
[15:59] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[15:59] That's why you watched it.

Speaker 2:
[16:01] Right. But traumatizing and all of it, all of it was probably not age appropriate for any of us.

Speaker 1:
[16:08] No.

Speaker 2:
[16:08] But we lived it. I mean, it was like the show that you wait for, they put on the time that it's on. It's just, you can't recreate that kind of thing. You were trying to be an actress since you were a little girl. I know you were in beauty pageants and stuff like that. So how did the acting come out?

Speaker 1:
[16:25] I never wanted to be an actress. I thought I was going to be a dance teacher. I went to a pageant to get a scholarship. Like if you won the pageant, you got a scholarship, and I really wanted that for my mom and dad. So that they would have help paying for college, but I didn't win. But somebody at the, he was one of the guest judges and he and his wife were there. And they came up to me and said, we think you have something, have you ever thought about acting before? And they gave me a script and they said, tomorrow let's meet up for lunch and you can read this scene. And so I took the scene and I did my, I tried to memorize the lines and ended up doing the scene with his wife at a little table. And I just remember they were like, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[17:12] Did your mom come with you?

Speaker 1:
[17:13] Yeah. Oh yeah, my mom was with me, of course. It would have been weird if she wasn't.

Speaker 2:
[17:17] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[17:18] And thank God his wife was with us.

Speaker 2:
[17:19] Right.

Speaker 1:
[17:20] Creeper. So he said, you know what? You're still, you're not ready yet. You're green. You need to go get some training. So I went and took some acting classes in Arizona, where I was living at the time. And I would send in my progress on the VHS tapes. We'd send it in the snail mail to him in LA.

Speaker 2:
[17:38] And he was a big deal then, the agent guy?

Speaker 1:
[17:40] He had been the head of casting for ABC in New York City. And he had just moved and started a whole new venture as a personal manager in LA. So, yeah, it was cool. Another door that opened and I just went through it.

Speaker 2:
[17:56] And you went through it. And when you started doing the acting lessons and stuff, did you feel like, wait, I like this, I enjoy this?

Speaker 1:
[18:05] Not really. No. No, I just like getting lost in the scene, the moment of these characters. I've always said, what I love about what I do is when the director calls action. And that's the moment when there's that connection between you and the other character or the connection with the lens, the camera, there's something so intimate about it. I really love that moment. Because there's no other noise. Everybody's quiet. On the set. And it just feels so nice.

Speaker 2:
[18:39] And everyone's playing pretend too.

Speaker 1:
[18:41] And it's not real.

Speaker 2:
[18:42] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[18:42] And you get to step into somebody else's shoes and live somebody else's life, which was so fun for me as a young girl. I didn't know anything about this character of Kelly, this world she came from.

Speaker 2:
[18:55] So at some point was agent guy, what do you call him in the books?

Speaker 1:
[19:00] Mr. Chobis.

Speaker 2:
[19:01] Mr. Chobis. Was he like, okay, you're ready. Like you've been progressing.

Speaker 1:
[19:06] Well, yeah, he said, if you, I think you're in a good place. If you want to come over, let me know. And we packed up our bags and knocked on his door. And he was like, oh shit, she's here. Okay. And he started sending me out that pilot season.

Speaker 2:
[19:21] And was 90210 one of the shows?

Speaker 1:
[19:24] No, the first show I did was called A Brand New Life. It was, I was playing Barbara Eden's daughter. And it was just a really incredible learning experience because that was my first time like on a set. And I just watched every move she made. And she taught me how to be a pro. Her work ethic is so incredible that I just took all of that on like a sponge. And I always attribute her to like making me such a professional.

Speaker 2:
[19:50] And did you enjoy that? Like did that start giving you like?

Speaker 1:
[19:54] I did because I like doing things well.

Speaker 2:
[19:58] Yeah, you're feeling like you were getting better and like...

Speaker 1:
[20:00] Yeah, and I felt like people were happy with my performance. They were saying I was doing a good job. And I think when you're young, you want to hear that from people. You want to hear like, you're doing great. And this is exactly what we wanted from the scene. And I think that sort of like turned into this like need to please.

Speaker 2:
[20:19] Yeah, you talked about the validation like coming from the outside. You made me think a lot with this book. Like, I have some anxiety too. And it brought up like feelings for me. You know what I mean? Like with just like that kind of stuff, with competition that you talked about, with aging, with, you know, a lot. So the validation thing as well. I mean, we all live in this now. You know, like you were talking about it since then. But now it's like, I mean, just go on Instagram and post a pic to get some. You know what I mean? To get the validation, checking the likes. So that really landed. So 90210 came after this show.

Speaker 1:
[20:57] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[20:58] You got the script for Kelly Taylor. Did you feel like I'm her?

Speaker 1:
[21:03] No, I felt like I could pretend to be her.

Speaker 2:
[21:06] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[21:07] And I thought it would be really super cool to be her. And I just did the audition scene. And yeah, I guess it went well because Aaron Spelling hired me.

Speaker 2:
[21:17] Was it like one audition?

Speaker 1:
[21:19] Yeah, it was one audition.

Speaker 2:
[21:20] Really?

Speaker 1:
[21:20] Well, I read for the casting director right before I went in to read for a room full of suits.

Speaker 2:
[21:25] Sometimes now I hear that it could be like 11 auditions or something.

Speaker 1:
[21:29] Oh yeah, it's nuts.

Speaker 2:
[21:30] Like you think today it's more nuts than it was?

Speaker 1:
[21:34] I mean, I haven't had an audition in a while. I don't really like, I haven't been focusing on acting as much lately. So I think it's just a process. And it's changed so much because like you don't go in to meet the casting director.

Speaker 2:
[21:46] Right, you do like a zoom.

Speaker 1:
[21:47] You do like put yourself on tape. On tape? You don't do that. It's like you video. What do you call it?

Speaker 2:
[21:54] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[21:55] You record yourself and you send it in digitally.

Speaker 2:
[21:58] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[21:59] So you never even meet the people.

Speaker 2:
[22:00] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[22:01] And you are either right for the role or you're not. And then you don't hear yes or no. You only hear something if you get hired.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 1:
[27:41] Right. I mean, coming off that show that high, you know, and having gone through the gamut of moments like emotional, you know, I showed my dramatic chops for sure.

Speaker 2:
[27:52] Right.

Speaker 1:
[27:53] Yeah, I kind of thought like, I didn't really plan ahead, like I didn't know what I wanted to do. I was just open and I had a baby at the end of that show, in the 10th season. And so my priorities just shifted radically. And I didn't really even care what came next.

Speaker 2:
[28:09] You didn't?

Speaker 1:
[28:10] No, I just knew that it felt weird to be like out in the wild, with no PA leading me around like telling me it's time to eat or, you know, turn right and here's what you say, here's what you wear. This is when you go to the bathroom, this is when you go get your hair done.

Speaker 2:
[28:25] Because 10 years of this show. Wait, so you, because I guess I watched it fairly young, I wasn't aware of like you guys in real life, you know, I was aware of the characters. So you writing in this book that you were pregnant, during the show, I was like, what? Like I didn't know that then. So you were filming pregnant season 10?

Speaker 1:
[28:47] No, actually, I think it was season eight. I do a rewatch podcast and we just rewatched it and I was hiding the baby in season eight. Yeah. We called it Bob.

Speaker 2:
[28:58] You called what Bob?

Speaker 1:
[28:59] The baby bump. We were like, somebody hide Bob. Really? I can see Bob.

Speaker 2:
[29:04] Stop. Did everyone know in the cast? How early did you share it with everybody?

Speaker 1:
[29:11] I showed early.

Speaker 2:
[29:13] You did?

Speaker 1:
[29:14] I was large.

Speaker 2:
[29:16] Really?

Speaker 1:
[29:16] Yeah. I wasn't like, oh, cute little pregnant girl. Also, it looks like she swallowed a basketball. No.

Speaker 2:
[29:23] Usually with your first, right? It's usually with your first, you show later.

Speaker 1:
[29:28] Yeah. No, I showed.

Speaker 2:
[29:29] You showed. You were so young, 24. Which on one hand, I'm sure it was hard being so young and pregnant, but now it's so nice that your girls are already older. One is here, right? They're in college. And so that's so fun. It's so great. You had babies young.

Speaker 1:
[29:48] I know. I feel like we really did grow up together.

Speaker 2:
[29:51] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[29:52] In the best way. And they have, I've said before, they're my greatest teachers. Like I go to them for advice. They come to me for advice. We love spending time together. And I am just like, if I die tomorrow, my, I, thank you for the nod.

Speaker 2:
[30:12] That kind of was.

Speaker 1:
[30:13] I will feel like I've done something good. You know, I will feel fulfilled.

Speaker 2:
[30:19] That's so beautiful. We're three girls too. My mom's a single mom, so I love hearing about, you know, mom's bonds with her daughters. I have boys, womp, womp.

Speaker 1:
[30:31] Where's your bond? Someday.

Speaker 2:
[30:34] Someday, maybe. Boys could be cute too. It's not the same. It's different. Because they're, it feels like, and in this book, you tell a lot of stories about how your daughters were really there for you in moments, that you needed them, like a friend, they had to step in, they had to.

Speaker 1:
[30:51] Yeah, and I talk about like, I don't even know if that was a good thing. I was probably not being, that's probably not in the parenting books of how to be a good mom. But it was the way I was a mom. And it's the only way I knew how to do it. I am not a person that can hide her emotions, like I said.

Speaker 2:
[31:07] I loved how you said, because I saw that quote somewhere, like, I think there's an Instagram reel that is a tear-jerker, that's like, remember that your mom is here for the first time too.

Speaker 1:
[31:16] Right.

Speaker 2:
[31:17] And you said that too in the book, something similar, right?

Speaker 1:
[31:20] Yeah, I have no idea what I'm doing.

Speaker 2:
[31:21] I'm doing this for the first time too. Like I don't have a prior life experience.

Speaker 1:
[31:26] We only have like what we see our mom, what we saw our mom, how she raised us or our siblings. And so we usually will go into parenting like saying, I'm going to do everything that my mom didn't do, everything that my mom did wrong, I'm going to do right with my kids. But there's no, you can't, there's no map, there's no directions for it. And yeah, you're just flying by the seat of your pants and hoping that you're not messing your kids up too much.

Speaker 2:
[31:52] You mentioned the book that you weren't in a party club going out. Even before you got pregnant, that wasn't your vibe?

Speaker 1:
[32:00] Yeah, I went to the Viper Room a few times. But I-

Speaker 2:
[32:03] That was Johnny Depp's place now.

Speaker 1:
[32:05] Yeah, it's still there.

Speaker 2:
[32:07] It's crazy. Yeah, I hear.

Speaker 1:
[32:08] I was more of a homebody. I've always been more of a homebody. I feel more comfortable in my house with my dogs, with my people than I do going out. And I think that that's probably just who I am in general, just being from the Midwest. And also it was a sort of a safety, like how I saved myself from the scary things that were happening to me at that time.

Speaker 2:
[32:34] Did you ever have FOMO?

Speaker 1:
[32:36] I did have FOMO sometimes, like the cast would go out and they would come back and talk about like what, you know, or that I'd see their pictures in the tabloids. And part of me was like, I wonder, like, is something wrong with me that I don't want to do that?

Speaker 2:
[32:49] Did they ever try to convince you?

Speaker 1:
[32:51] No, it was just pretty well established that I didn't need to join in in that.

Speaker 2:
[32:57] Really? What a strong personality.

Speaker 1:
[32:59] I just knew I was too sensitive for all of that.

Speaker 2:
[33:04] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[33:05] I just, I dipped my toe, but I always just retreated home afterwards.

Speaker 2:
[33:10] Because usually I feel like that kind of like wisdom comes later in life when you're like, whoa, whoa, I know what I like, I know what I don't like, like why am I doing shit that I, you know, why am I being dragged to do things that I don't actually want to do? But usually when you're young, you do the dumb shit you don't want to do and you regret later.

Speaker 1:
[33:27] I did some dumb shit, but.

Speaker 2:
[33:29] So you had a, but you had like a strong moral compass.

Speaker 1:
[33:33] Yeah. I think it's just the way I was raised.

Speaker 2:
[33:36] And when 90210 ended, like after 10 years, was there sadness around it? Were you ready to go because you had a baby and everything? Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[33:44] It wasn't as sad because I did have this personal life that I love so much to go home to. But it was weird and it was like, well, am I ever going to work again? Or is this how it is like as an actress? Because I got so lucky and then that was 10 years. And then all of a sudden, like I thought, oh, how do I get another job? Or does that just come to you?

Speaker 2:
[34:06] Yeah. Like is that what's the next?

Speaker 1:
[34:07] What do I do?

Speaker 2:
[34:08] Yeah. So what was that in between time? Like trying to figure it out?

Speaker 1:
[34:13] I didn't really focus on it a lot because of Luka, my first baby. But then it started to settle in. Like I wasn't getting auditions and stuff like that. So I started seeking it. And then I knew I wanted to try something different. So I auditioned. Well, it wasn't really an audition. They brought me in to do a chemistry meeting with Amanda Bynes.

Speaker 2:
[34:35] Oh, right.

Speaker 1:
[34:36] And I got to do the show What I Like About You. It was so fun.

Speaker 2:
[34:40] I know. And you were so perfect in that. You played her sister.

Speaker 1:
[34:43] I did. I played her uptight sister, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[34:46] Have you spoken to her since?

Speaker 1:
[34:48] No, I haven't in a long time.

Speaker 2:
[34:50] Since then? Yeah, because things have kind of changed with her.

Speaker 1:
[34:55] Yeah, they have. And I would love nothing more than to reconnect with her.

Speaker 2:
[34:59] Yeah, that could be nice. Because you were talking about in the book how you, I mean, you were saying just now you wanted to be a therapist. And you want to help people, you want to share the wisdom. So I could see that connection happening.

Speaker 1:
[35:14] I would love it.

Speaker 2:
[35:14] Do you think that people today can understand the level of fame that you guys had at the time? Because now we have a million TV shows, a million, you know what I mean? Like then, like that was the thing. It was, it was, now 2 1 L or Bust? How do you feel like it compares?

Speaker 1:
[35:37] I feel like there's, yeah, like you said, there's so many options out there.

Speaker 2:
[35:40] Right.

Speaker 1:
[35:41] There's so many famous people now.

Speaker 2:
[35:42] Right. Internet famous people.

Speaker 1:
[35:44] I can't keep up with them. I don't know who most of them are. But then it was like, you know, this is what you get. These are the shows you get to watch and these are the people on them. And that show really just resonated so deeply with like the youth of the world that wherever we went, it was nuts.

Speaker 2:
[36:02] It was nuts. How did you handle that? Like, did you like that? Because you said, because I get on one hand, you're like quieter, introvert a little bit, homebody. But at the same time, you like the validation. So how was that? Like, you enjoyed the fan screaming? Did it scare you that you couldn't go anywhere?

Speaker 1:
[36:19] Yeah, I'm much more of an introvert than people realize. And it did scare me. So I actually didn't. I started to develop a little agoraphobia, where I wouldn't leave the house. I wouldn't go to the store. I still don't go to the grocery store. Like, I don't know. I just, I get a little nervous out in the real world.

Speaker 2:
[36:36] That people will, like you get uncomfortable, people approach or?

Speaker 1:
[36:40] It's not even that I think people are gonna freak out or say anything. It's just something inside of me that needs like to be safe and secure in an environment that's controlled, you know?

Speaker 2:
[36:54] Yeah. Who was the most well equipped to deal with that from the cast, with the fame and the fans?

Speaker 1:
[37:01] Gosh, I think, I don't know. Like, I don't know their personal journey with that. I think that it was hard definitely for the boys, Luke and Jason.

Speaker 2:
[37:12] Hard for them?

Speaker 1:
[37:13] Because they were, they couldn't go anywhere.

Speaker 2:
[37:16] Yeah. And what about Steve? Leaving Steve out, who aged so beautifully. Let's give Steve some love. Yeah. He did.

Speaker 1:
[37:25] He's a stud. He's a stud.

Speaker 2:
[37:27] I just looked his age up because I saw a pic of him, because I was, you know, looking through all the Nanju and all this stuff, and I'm like, how old is Ian? Like 62? Damn.

Speaker 1:
[37:38] He looks great. And his spirit is the same as it was back in the day.

Speaker 2:
[37:42] So he wrote you a beautiful birthday post I saw, in feed and everything.

Speaker 1:
[37:47] Oh, and in feed. Wow. I made it.

Speaker 2:
[37:49] It was in feed. So sweet. So you were saying, it's like, I'm like Dylan and Luke and Brandon, Luke and Jason. Oh my God, look, I'm in the characters. No.

Speaker 1:
[38:02] No, I've been called Kelly like three times today.

Speaker 2:
[38:04] We're not on live TV.

Speaker 1:
[38:06] Not on live TV, by the producer.

Speaker 2:
[38:09] No, stop.

Speaker 1:
[38:09] Of the segment producer.

Speaker 2:
[38:10] But you said in the book, it doesn't bother you. A lot of people have some weird relationship with the role that they're most known for. So what's your relationship with that?

Speaker 1:
[38:20] I love Kelly.

Speaker 2:
[38:21] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[38:21] I love what that show did for so many young people. I'm proud of it.

Speaker 2:
[38:26] Yeah. You have no mixed feelings about it. Yeah. What is there not to be proud of? We'll be right back after the break. Quick message from today's sponsor, the ASPCA Pet Health Insurance. If you've never owned a pet, you need to know something about them. They run in their own logic. They jump first, they think later, and that's what makes them so lovable. But that's how you also end up with surprise vet visits you didn't see coming. That's where ASPCA Pet Health Insurance comes in. It helps cover eligible vet expenses. So when those moments happen, you can focus on getting your pet the care they need without freaking out over the cost or second guessing your decision to even take them to get care. When you enroll in an ASPCA Pet Health Insurance plan, you could get a $25 Amazon gift card. So a little treat for you for doing the right thing. The program also offers customizable accident and illness plans. 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Speaker 1:
[45:15] Yeah. I got that call in the way to drop my daughter off at school, and I just went where I felt like he was, like based on where he lived, and I just was drawn to a certain hospital, and it was actually the hospital that he was in, but I couldn't get up to see him. They weren't allowing anybody up. There wasn't family, so I just sat in the lobby for a couple of hours that day until his manager at the time came and said, go home, I'll keep you posted. So I did. I went home.

Speaker 2:
[45:48] It was something in you that was pulling you to go, were you that close at that time that you would be a friend that went, or was it something bigger?

Speaker 1:
[45:55] Yes, we were very good friends, and I think if any one of my cast members was in a situation like that, I would want to be with them. I love them, and I know that I got sick once during, well, a couple of times. One time when Luke ran me over with a jet ski and knocked me unconscious, and I remember he went with me in the ambulance. They made me go and get all my whatever's checked. I remember him being there, and then once in, I got some kidney infection or something. I was really sick, and I ended up in the hospital during filming of the show, and he was there by my bed, and I won't ever forget that.

Speaker 2:
[46:39] What do you wish if you had the time to say something to him that day that you came to the hospital because you thought probably he's going to get better, I'm going to see him, like you just wanted to be there for him and hold his hand.

Speaker 1:
[46:54] Yeah, I just wanted to be close.

Speaker 2:
[46:57] The way you talk about that grief in the book was like really, really touching. And you even said like, it's not something that you even want to open up in a way. Were you debating whether to include that in the book?

Speaker 1:
[47:11] Yeah. There were some things around Luke that I chose not to share, and also sharing what I do share. It feels, because when he passed away, I didn't want to talk about it or go to the service or anything, and everybody wanted to know. And I remember, I didn't post a picture or tribute to him on social media, and I got a lot of backlash. And I just wasn't, I didn't want to. My relationship with Luke was sacred to me, and I don't know, I just couldn't. I still have very hard time believing that it's real. Like, I don't want to accept it.

Speaker 2:
[47:56] The posting on Instagram is so, sounds silly, but it's such a prevalent thing, because people, when something happens, anticipate certain people to respond. And if you don't, so I'm like, proud of you that you stuck to like your feeling, you know?

Speaker 1:
[48:16] I mean, you can't win. I mean, I didn't post for Luke's death, and I got, you know, annihilated. And then I did post for Shannon's death, and I got annihilated. So, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 2:
[48:29] But it was just a feeling, like for Luke, it was hard for you to do that. And for Shannon, what was that like?

Speaker 1:
[48:35] I really felt like she deserved to be honored by me as a woman. Like I had so much respect for her that I wanted the world to know, like what she had meant to me, even though everybody had what they thought was the real story.

Speaker 2:
[48:56] Well, again, it's weird because watching it as a 10-year-old or wherever, like again, I wasn't aware of what was happening in real life, but reading your book and learning that there was kind of a parallel real-life 90210 situation where you guys had some issues on set was like shocking to me.

Speaker 1:
[49:16] Yeah. I mean, like the writing pitted us apart, like they made a love triangle, like we were best friends on the show. Then Kelly broke the best friend code while Brenda was away. That was the moment when the world just decided you were either Team Kelly or you were Team Brenda.

Speaker 2:
[49:35] Did people hate Kelly in real life because of it?

Speaker 1:
[49:38] Yes. There are still to this day people that do not like me because I was Kelly.

Speaker 2:
[49:44] Because you broke up Brenda. Because I don't know. My listeners know. I don't know if you know, I don't know if your daughter's watched Summer House, but there's a reality TV show where that's happening right now. Like a best friend hooked up with an, you know?

Speaker 1:
[49:58] I mean, nowadays, I cannot imagine.

Speaker 2:
[50:01] No, no, no. They're being like-

Speaker 1:
[50:02] I would get like death threats probably.

Speaker 2:
[50:03] That's what I'm saying. I'd be scared to go outside if I were them. So that's why I was just thinking like if you felt that as, you know, playing Kelly, if you felt that at the time.

Speaker 1:
[50:12] I didn't really feel it as much in the moment.

Speaker 2:
[50:14] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[50:15] But when we did step out of that soundstage, because we were really together in this little soundstage in Van Nuys, California, like we weren't experiencing what was happening in real time.

Speaker 2:
[50:26] Right. Right. Because it wasn't like online. So it's like a tabloid or a-

Speaker 1:
[50:31] Yeah, to read like the big bopper or whatever.

Speaker 2:
[50:33] Right. That's kind of nice.

Speaker 1:
[50:36] It was nice.

Speaker 2:
[50:37] So you're saying the writing and the storylines kind of, I mean, you guys found it hard to separate it a little bit.

Speaker 1:
[50:44] Yeah. And it created tension. It created competition, more competition than it was already there. And I fell prey to acting in ways that I wouldn't want to ever repeat. So in really examining those relationships and writing about them in the book, that is a case of having to forgive myself for acting in certain ways as a young woman that I thought was how you were supposed to defend yourself or keep your position or be the chosen girl or whatever in that moment. And there were areas that was, you know, it was painful and it was damaging.

Speaker 2:
[51:32] Like you had regrets about that, and that's why you're saying part of it is like forgiving yourself for-

Speaker 1:
[51:40] Yeah, I mean, I think at some point in our lives, it's really important that we get self-reflective. And I really believe in the, I say stop pointing the finger and start pulling the thumb. And I will always look at my part in something now as a grown woman. And wherever there is a misstep or wherever there is something that needs to be cleaned up, I'm, I'm, I'm welcoming it. I welcome it because I don't want to, I never want to hurt anybody or be, you know, not nice person. But I think in those moments as a young girl, I resorted to the only thing I, I could, I saw around me as effective.

Speaker 2:
[52:22] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[52:22] And defending what my position was because I had no security. And it was all a lot of insecurity, whether it was in my personal life or on set. I had a lot of growing up to do after that show. And I took a, that's when I really started to delve deep into like, who am I and why have I done the things I've done? Why do I act the way I act? Why is, or why are really love relationships so difficult for me? You know, I had to really look, go inside, go deep inside.

Speaker 2:
[52:56] Because you also mentioned that you were good friends with Tiffany Thiessen, who played Valerie.

Speaker 1:
[53:01] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[53:01] And they are not friends anymore, which made me sad. I got excited. It was like a quick, like, oh, they were best friends. Oh, they're not friends anymore. Like, but you talking about that very openly about how, you know, as a young girl feeling competitive and having those issues come up, and finding it hard sometimes to connect with other girls because you're maybe both after the same thing.

Speaker 1:
[53:24] The same attention, in this case, like, you know, the same attention.

Speaker 2:
[53:28] The same attention. And you said it was really noticeable on set, like who got attention, who didn't, who came in. That must be so difficult.

Speaker 1:
[53:37] I mean, I know the set was, I did always try to make it like nice for people coming in because I can imagine what that must have been like. But there were times I was young, I didn't really know how to handle that. And there were times where I was threatened and I felt threatened. I wasn't threatened, but I felt threatened. And like I said, there are maybe instances that I don't know of where I made people feel a certain way that I would never really want them to feel.

Speaker 2:
[54:06] So you said you and Shannon did make amends before she passed, so you got to talk about that.

Speaker 1:
[54:11] Yeah. We had a mutual respect for each other just as grown women, as Aries women.

Speaker 2:
[54:19] I was wondering what sign you were, Aries, okay?

Speaker 1:
[54:22] Aries, yeah. We recognized our strengths in each other, I think, and we had a respect for one another and things were nice. We weren't like best friends that hung out all the time. But again, I love her just as much as I love Gabrielle or Ayan or Jason.

Speaker 2:
[54:43] Well, you and Tori had a special friendship. What was different about her than other girls on set that you were able to be more open with her from the get?

Speaker 1:
[54:54] We worked a lot together. Our characters were Kelly and Donna all the time. I think we just spent more time with one another. We bonded really deeply. She was fun. We did DIY projects together and we just hung out. She would come to my house and I didn't have to go out. She would go out with other people and then she would come over and do latch hook rugs with me.

Speaker 2:
[55:19] That's so sweet. You wrote in the book too, you were like, we're so different. I was like, yeah, they are. I think people wouldn't look at both of you right now and think, they make sense together.

Speaker 1:
[55:32] Yeah, but that's the beauty of friendship. I love her the way she is and she loves me the way I am.

Speaker 2:
[55:40] Yeah. You guys trying to make the reboot happen.

Speaker 1:
[55:45] BH, I don't know if you want to know.

Speaker 2:
[55:48] I saw the trailer, I was watching it today. So good.

Speaker 1:
[55:53] It was fun.

Speaker 2:
[55:54] How did it only get six episodes?

Speaker 1:
[55:56] I think it was really expensive.

Speaker 2:
[55:59] You guys were expensive.

Speaker 1:
[56:00] And this show in general. I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[56:04] It was high production.

Speaker 1:
[56:05] That's a big cast to reunite.

Speaker 2:
[56:07] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[56:08] Yeah. The writing team was in and out and we had some changes mid-episodes. It was really tough.

Speaker 2:
[56:20] Because then the reboots are over, like no more reboots in our lives.

Speaker 1:
[56:24] I don't know. I feel like probably. I don't think I see it.

Speaker 2:
[56:27] You know, today they're doing things differently. Like every show has like a reunion now. They're doing things more reunion-y. Have you noticed that? Like the friends reunion, they like brought. But I feel like with 90210 now, that two cast members aren't with us.

Speaker 1:
[56:43] It's missing.

Speaker 2:
[56:45] It's missing. What did you think of the reboot 90210?

Speaker 1:
[56:50] The younger version? The CW version?

Speaker 2:
[56:52] Yeah, the CW version.

Speaker 1:
[56:54] Well, I was on it and it's so funny because I say, yeah, I did a few episodes of that. And Tori's like, you did 23 episodes of that.

Speaker 2:
[57:00] You did 23?

Speaker 1:
[57:01] I'm like, I absolutely did not. And she looked it up and it said 23.

Speaker 2:
[57:05] So I didn't watch it, but did you play Kelly?

Speaker 1:
[57:07] I played Kelly like she had become the counselor at the school.

Speaker 2:
[57:11] That's funny.

Speaker 1:
[57:12] And I really did it because a friend of mine was producing it and he was so excited about it. And I couldn't say no. I wasn't in that place in my life where I felt confident enough to say no to things.

Speaker 2:
[57:24] Why would you say no?

Speaker 1:
[57:26] I mean, looking back, I wish I had said no to that.

Speaker 2:
[57:31] Really?

Speaker 1:
[57:31] Because it was a different show. It didn't need me.

Speaker 2:
[57:33] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[57:34] And it was just very different.

Speaker 2:
[57:37] But it was a hot show.

Speaker 1:
[57:38] People loved it. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[57:40] You didn't love it, sounds like.

Speaker 1:
[57:41] I just felt like what was should have.

Speaker 2:
[57:44] But how does it work? Like they got the rights? Like it was like a thing like that?

Speaker 1:
[57:49] Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2:
[57:49] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[57:50] They came and sat in my living room and were like, please just do this. It's gonna be great for the fans.

Speaker 2:
[57:57] Yeah. But again, whole new sh- whole different show. Is there anything you took from set back in the day?

Speaker 1:
[58:06] I think I only got Kelly's cowboy boots.

Speaker 2:
[58:10] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[58:11] And she would wear with like baby doll dresses. Yeah. I still have those.

Speaker 2:
[58:14] Bitch. I was jealous of her too.

Speaker 1:
[58:16] Yeah. She had good clothes.

Speaker 2:
[58:17] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[58:18] Good looks.

Speaker 2:
[58:19] What do you think she would be like today?

Speaker 1:
[58:23] I think Kelly would- it's so funny because I'm in the short hair part of the show that I'm watching it back now.

Speaker 2:
[58:28] You talked about the pixie cat.

Speaker 1:
[58:29] The pixie cat. I feel like she would be more like Jackie Taylor like her mom.

Speaker 2:
[58:34] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[58:34] I think she would be fancy.

Speaker 2:
[58:36] Oh, she would be fancy. Yeah, like designers and stuff. That's so funny when you talked about the pixie cat because I was like, I mean, as a viewer, you're like, oh, Kelly got a haircut, but it's like real life. Jennie got a haircut, showed up to set with it.

Speaker 1:
[58:52] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[58:52] Did anybody freak out on set?

Speaker 1:
[58:55] Not that got to me. I didn't get the message, but Aaron Spelling was notoriously very specific about hair not being cut. I did it and I never heard one word from them. Did you think he was notorious about that or were you a rebel? No, I didn't know. I thought, I'm keeping up with the times, the character is evolving, she has to have the new look.

Speaker 2:
[59:14] Yeah. But I feel like it worked for her. Was she a little edgier that season?

Speaker 1:
[59:19] I think the eyeliner was a little darker.

Speaker 2:
[59:21] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[59:22] That may have been the cocaine season.

Speaker 2:
[59:25] Kelly's been through so much. I wanted to ask because somehow we've been an hour and all these fricking thing can go to.

Speaker 1:
[59:33] Your questions.

Speaker 2:
[59:34] Yeah. I don't know how it's been an hour. It's so easy to talk to you. I know. Okay. So let's do a few quick ones then. Okay. Who was your celebrity crush back then?

Speaker 1:
[59:45] Celebrity crush? I mean, it was Luke.

Speaker 2:
[59:47] I know.

Speaker 1:
[59:48] But like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2:
[59:50] I love that it's Luke. But if Now 210 was cast today, who do you think would play Kelly?

Speaker 1:
[59:56] They did a movie on Lifetime where they didn't cast Kelly, they cast Jennie, like me. And the girl looked exactly like me. Her name's Abby. Hey, Abby, if you're listening.

Speaker 2:
[60:07] Wait, I don't understand they cast Jennie. I don't understand.

Speaker 1:
[60:09] It was like about the real life. It was like a documentary but with actors.

Speaker 2:
[60:14] Oh.

Speaker 1:
[60:15] It was weird. It was weird to watch because it wasn't accurate.

Speaker 2:
[60:19] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[60:20] Like they got broad strokes of each other.

Speaker 2:
[60:22] Yeah. Wait, that's so funny.

Speaker 1:
[60:24] Yeah. I would like Sabrina Carpenter to play me.

Speaker 2:
[60:27] That actually is good. She's so adorable. That actually is good. Would you ever do a reality show?

Speaker 1:
[60:34] I've done reality shows.

Speaker 2:
[60:35] I know. You did your CMT, but would you go on Traders or something?

Speaker 1:
[60:41] No. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[60:42] Housewives?

Speaker 3:
[60:43] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[60:43] I've been asked to be on Housewives.

Speaker 3:
[60:45] Which one?

Speaker 1:
[60:46] I don't even know. The Beverly Hills ones, I'm sure.

Speaker 2:
[60:49] How the hell would you fit in there? I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[60:52] That's why I said no. I don't think that's the right environment for me to feel good and healthy.

Speaker 2:
[60:59] Right. And we're focused on that. Who from the cast is most like their character in real life?

Speaker 1:
[61:06] Ayan.

Speaker 2:
[61:07] Ayan.

Speaker 1:
[61:08] Yeah. He just loves to make people smile.

Speaker 2:
[61:10] His haircut, by the way. Looking back now. I mean-

Speaker 1:
[61:14] And his clothes. We always rip him apart and he hates it. I'm sorry. I love you so much.

Speaker 2:
[61:19] No, because everybody else, you're like, okay, it could be cool today. Like, 90s are really coming back. And then I saw Steve's hair and I was like, that really is the only thing that was like-

Speaker 1:
[61:30] It was really poofy during that state.

Speaker 2:
[61:32] No, it had like a mullet situation. Oh, mullet.

Speaker 1:
[61:34] Oh, so good.

Speaker 2:
[61:35] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[61:35] The mullet is back in.

Speaker 2:
[61:37] I mean-

Speaker 1:
[61:37] In certain crowds.

Speaker 2:
[61:38] Yeah. So, Ayan is the most. Okay. So, I'm so sad our hour is over.

Speaker 1:
[61:43] Me too.

Speaker 2:
[61:44] Jennie, I feel like we're just getting started, but thank you so much for coming. I loved your book, Choosing Me, so everybody should pick it up or listen. You don't care if we listen, right? I'm done with the listening. Listen, I loved the story. I loved hearing more about you and I feel like there were a lot of good life lessons in there too.

Speaker 1:
[62:02] Great. Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[62:03] Thank you. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at NotSkinnyButNotFat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening and I'll see you next Tuesday.

Speaker 3:
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