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Speaker 1:
[00:25] Welcome to The Pulp MX Show. Presented by motosport.com, fly racing and decal works. Coming to you live from Las Vegas, right outside the Lions' Den, with your host, Steve Matthes. And now strap in and get ready. It's show time.

Speaker 2:
[00:49] I just don't like the guy. The guy's just a douchebag.

Speaker 1:
[00:51] Wah wah wah.

Speaker 3:
[00:55] Yeah, welcome everybody to The Pulp MX Show. Presented by motosport.com, fly racing and decal works. Coming at you. It's Monday, April 20th, 5:01 p.m. Pacific 420, dog. Thanks for watching and listening. Appreciate it. If you're watching on YouTube, listening on the audio, use the codes to save, please. Help us out. It's the only way these jerks will help give me money to get our co-host in and pay Talon's extravagant lifestyle salary he wants and all of that. So you go to pulpmexshow.com for the codes to save. PulpMX20, it works connection. Get data. You want an ECU for your four stroke, a CDI for your two stroke. Guys like that, Renegade Race Fuels, Atlas, Neck Brace, all of those guys, OGO Power Sports. The codes are on the site to save. So please use that. And then we have some other partner shows. And the codes to save are on that too. So thanks for watching and listening, everybody. Appreciate it. We got a good show tonight. motorsport.com, Fly Race and Decal Works, Race Tech, X-Brand, Renthal, Michelin, Cherubies Firepower, Maxima USA, ProFilter, Cardo Systems, Guts Racing, OGO Power Sports, Renegade, Race Fuels, Atlas Protection, motorsecretaryjobs.com, Works Connection, GetData, WUSA, Fox Factory Vehicles, Factory Chassis Parts, Ethica, MTX Braking, Luxon, Weisco, Troll Training, on a shout out Troll Train, Alex Barton did the Boston Marathon today, and he did it in the, I think he's just outside the top thousand, out of 20,000. Amar, Troll Training. Check it out, man. He's a great guy and he's been doing good things for his clients. 702-586-7857, you want to call in, talk Cleveland, talk to series in general, anything else. We are one fucking point here with three races to go, man. It's a really exciting times. Tonight on the show from Quadlock Honda, Christian Craig will be calling in. We haven't had Christian on all year long, and he's had some good races, some not so good races, but we like having Christian on the show and he's a good dude. So he's calling in Billy Hartle. No, I didn't get Roczen. No, I got the real hero of Cleveland, Billy Hartle calling in. He's Kenny's mechanic over there at Pipes Motorsports Suzuki. So Billy Hartle will call in and talk about working for Kenny. And maybe he's got some AP stories. He used to do that. Eleven 10 mods back in the day. He survived that. Matt Lemoine is a name you might have heard over the years. Certainly a really good nice pro career for Matt. And he's got a podcast coming on. I want to talk to him about that, what he's been doing, what the podcast is like, and more. Matt Lemoine has always been an interesting guy. So we'll talk to Matt as well tonight. Phil Nicoletti, of course, as always to give us some Cleveland thoughts. Josh Ellingson as well from Pipes Motorsports and RS Endurance. We did a VO2 test on Friday in the pits in Cleveland. And so we're going to recap that with Phil and Jelly and more. PulpMX gives back, pulpmx.com for the LCQ raffle points as well. We got three races to go for that thing Friday at Salt Lake City. We're giving away a bunch of money to 22 riders. So please check that out, pulpmx.com. You can maybe win a 2026 Yamaha YZ450 from those guys. So we have had some co-hosts come in at the nick of time. And for years with flight problems, travel problems, whatever. I think Daniel Blair had the closest. He came in, I think, two or three minutes before showtime. But tonight we got a new record. Tonight we have a new man for the latest entrance to the studio. It was as we were going on. I'm not sure if the cameras caught him coming in, but from Beta USA, it's Taylor Muto. What's up, buddy? How are you?

Speaker 4:
[04:30] We made it.

Speaker 3:
[04:31] We made it.

Speaker 4:
[04:32] We made it, man. What a journey.

Speaker 3:
[04:33] Yeah, flight problems this morning, fog in San Francisco.

Speaker 4:
[04:36] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[04:37] The next flight was full, and you were like, fuck it, I'm driving.

Speaker 4:
[04:39] Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was either show up an hour late or try to make it right on time. So we had to try to be here.

Speaker 3:
[04:46] How was the drive, dude?

Speaker 4:
[04:48] So it wasn't too bad, because you put the polarized lenses on, the car has no idea whether your eyes are open or not. I may or may not have caught a couple naps on the way here. I let Jesus take the wheel and just auto drive.

Speaker 3:
[05:00] Dude, I've been in those. They freaked me out, but I guess you're used to it. I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[05:06] I was tired, man. I had a late night last night. I was going to catch a couple hours of sleep on the flights. But no, yeah, we made it, man. I'm happy to be here.

Speaker 3:
[05:12] Listen, you came in with those other two idiots. I forget their names. They ride for Beta the last time. And then the time before, you jumped in too. Fans wanted more Muto. The fans wanted more Muto. So you are driving. You're the lone co-pilot today.

Speaker 4:
[05:26] Yeah. Here we go. Lock in.

Speaker 3:
[05:28] Are we good? Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[05:28] It's going to be a bad show. Everybody better lock in.

Speaker 3:
[05:31] Listen, the two-stroke team manager stuff didn't really work out.

Speaker 4:
[05:34] So we're right to that, aren't we?

Speaker 3:
[05:37] No, but what I'm saying is maybe the media career will go better.

Speaker 4:
[05:39] Yeah. I've got to find another avenue because apparently, I'm not going to make it up to team manager. I'm going to stay a mechanic forever.

Speaker 3:
[05:46] No, absolutely not. Phil wanted to definitely let you know about that.

Speaker 4:
[05:49] Oh, God. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[05:50] No, thanks for coming in, buddy. Appreciate it. Craig, Hartle, Lemoine, Phil, Josh Ellingson, all calling in. And honestly, I was going to get Kenny. I talked to him at the race about coming on the show. And then I was like, you know what? Muto is a mechanic. I used to be a mechanic. Let's get Billy Hartle in.

Speaker 4:
[06:04] Yeah, it's an all mechanic show, basically.

Speaker 3:
[06:06] Except for Christian. Yeah, except for Christian. But no, listen, I thought that would work out nicely. So 702-586-7857 got a question for Muto or myself about the Cleveland or anything else. You certainly watched Cleveland. We're down to one point. Things are getting spicy over there, by the way. Taylor Muto brought to you by the folks at Decal Works. PulpMX26 is the code to save. Look, Beta may not use them, but Rockstar, Energy, Husqvarna, Off-Road Team and Red Bull KTM do. So please check out Decal Works, decalmx.com, from the wild to the mild, Nick, Sean, Ron, all the boys can do you something up really nice with your sponsor logos on it, your name, Pulp logo if you want it. If you want Muto on it, they'll just put Muto on it.

Speaker 4:
[06:50] That comes with a price.

Speaker 3:
[06:51] Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Well, you can license it for a year. Contact him on Instagram. PulpMX26 is the code to save with those guys, and thanks to DecoWorks for bringing Taylor Muto in here right in the nick of time, man. I appreciate that. Did you plug in?

Speaker 4:
[07:05] Yeah, we're plugged in. I'm ready to go home now. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[07:09] You don't make it in one charge, right?

Speaker 4:
[07:11] No. Well, I didn't plan on doing it, so that didn't help. We had to make a couple of stops, but there's a good burger spot on the way here. So I got a burger, ate that while I was driving, wasn't driving. It all worked out, man. Exactly what we should.

Speaker 3:
[07:23] That's great. I do want to talk to you about Beta a little bit later in the show.

Speaker 4:
[07:26] I'd hope so.

Speaker 3:
[07:27] And Benny and Oldenburg and all of that. So we'll get into that later on in the show. Working the cameras over there, holding things down, working on the new PulpMX app that should be dropping at some point. The Travis Marks. What's up, Mark?

Speaker 5:
[07:39] It'll eventually, it'll come.

Speaker 3:
[07:41] I've seen it. I've used it. It's glorious.

Speaker 5:
[07:44] It's like a proper app, I feel like.

Speaker 3:
[07:45] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[07:45] It's nice.

Speaker 3:
[07:46] Yeah. Absolutely. So thanks, Mark. Thanks for coming in. Appreciate it. And like I said, remember Blair came in at one time, like five minutes before the show. Muto just got the new record.

Speaker 5:
[07:56] So it's unbelievable.

Speaker 4:
[07:57] I was taking a piss. I heard the intro. I was like, perfect.

Speaker 3:
[08:00] Do you want to skip beer or do you want to wait for that before we get to that?

Speaker 4:
[08:03] I think beer and coffee is not the best mix. So we'll get there. Yeah, we'll get there. We'll give a little organic Muto. We'll get there. We'll raise some more tanneries.

Speaker 3:
[08:13] Taking your calls over there in the corner, the Talon Taylor. What's up, Talon?

Speaker 5:
[08:16] What's up, Steven?

Speaker 3:
[08:17] How are you, buddy?

Speaker 5:
[08:17] Oh, pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[08:19] Can we talk about Yaryar's social posting at all?

Speaker 2:
[08:23] Just the one with Kiefer or what?

Speaker 3:
[08:25] What else did she do? Kind of a thirst trap photo of her and Kiefer mentioned something in our group text. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[08:33] I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[08:33] Okay, man.

Speaker 6:
[08:34] Maybe she's thirst trapping Kiefer. I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[08:36] I have to put eyes on this.

Speaker 3:
[08:36] What did Kiefer say?

Speaker 5:
[08:38] I gotta know what Kiefer said in the group text.

Speaker 3:
[08:40] No, you do not know. I don't know. But he's got all eyes on Yarrar's posts. All right.

Speaker 5:
[08:45] Well, good to know.

Speaker 3:
[08:47] Hey, Firepower Parts, by the way, ClubMX guys using Firepower Parts, chains, sprockets, bars, levers, and more. Their range has never been broader. Visit firepowerparts.com, follow them at firepower.global as well. Exciting things coming from those guys. So thank you to Firepower Parts for coming on. We got some phone calls. We're going to get to those in a second. But Triple Crown, Cleveland, Hunter Lawrence had himself not a great day. It really was a tale of two things for Hunter. First one, whole shot, gone, see you. The track changed a lot with the rain. You didn't get the starts. Lars, in talking to Lars after the race, and Hunter mentioned it in the post-race quote, they got to start styled with those Hondas. We've talked about it a ton. Well, with some moisture on greats, both Lars and Hunter mentioned like we may need to calibrate our settings, right? So if you're really low down in the front, you're going to spin on the back, your ECUs, your RPMs on a wet grate, it's all different. And JT brought up an excellent point in the review about jet at San Diego. Also mentioned that as well. So maybe it's a Honda wet grate thing. But anyways, no good starts for Hunter Lawrence. I thought he wrote really timid like, I don't want to blow this. So then what happens is you blow it.

Speaker 4:
[09:58] When it rains, it pours with him.

Speaker 3:
[10:00] Yes, yeah, seems that way, right?

Speaker 4:
[10:01] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[10:02] And the first one amazing, gone. And then Ken Roczen comes into the third main, tied with Justin Cooper. And dude, his first lap, see ya. One point Muto, if Ken Roczen wins this, fuck man. That will be so cool. I don't care. Hunter's a great guy. HRC dudes are great. But Ken Roczen, man.

Speaker 4:
[10:23] I'd love it for Hunter to win. I like Hunter. And it would be cool story. But it's just Ken finally getting that championship on a Suzuki, which has been in dog for years with that private team. You know, they're not out of the factory. They're not out of the manufacturer. It would just be, it would just be wonderful. But with the, with the wet grate though, I wonder if it's like, you're so reliant on, maybe not reliant to the right word on the start map. And you have your perfect technique you want to hit. Like, I wonder if it's just, it's obviously not something you're going to practice. You're not going to practice doing a wet grate start, right? And it's just like, it's just one of those weird things where I wonder if like, if you just slide back a little bit more and try to get more traction. But then if you get that traction, then you wheelie, like.

Speaker 3:
[11:04] Well, you wonder like, so yes, do you think Hunter changed or anyone, do you think any of them changed what they've done thousands of for wet grate, like to like a concrete start? Get your weight back a little bit. You mentioned it.

Speaker 4:
[11:18] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[11:19] Do you think anyone changes anything? Like, you know what I mean? Like I say, good question for Craig. Maybe we can ask Christian that. Yeah. Like they should, right?

Speaker 4:
[11:27] So I think that, but then it immediately brings me back to Foxboro watching. Last year, I watched Cooper Webb pull up on the grate with no tire wrap. Wheels covered in mud, rips a start. So I'm like, okay, perfect. We don't need it then. Okay. It doesn't matter. And then the main event rolls up. He's got the tire cover on. And I'm just like, I don't know what to go off of. It would make sense to go and change it up.

Speaker 3:
[11:52] Prado, I think, didn't take parade laps when it was raining. They just sat in their great. The GP guys must shake their heads at all the American guys at DGAF, right? Because they're literally fucking carrying the bikes.

Speaker 4:
[12:02] Yeah. It's the other little mats there. Yeah. It's a whole show behind the gate there.

Speaker 3:
[12:06] But yeah, I don't know. So if you're, you know, if you're Dazzy or Hunter, are you even trying? I doubt you're going in and being like, hey, I got to move my weight back. The grade is wet. You know?

Speaker 4:
[12:19] Yeah. I don't think you would.

Speaker 3:
[12:20] I don't think you would either.

Speaker 4:
[12:21] In amateurs, I would do that a lot with like the riders. Like if it's dry, I would just get all the dirt out. So it's just the hard pack base and be like, hey, okay, maybe a little bit lower revs, put your butt back a little bit more, but you're working with less traction than you have on the great. Like there is significantly more traction there available for you on the great. So you think you would, but also it's tough. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[12:43] I mean, listen, I come from a mechanic era. We had concrete starts. Like half the nationals had concrete starts, right? So you did change things and you go to the track and you practice dirt starts and you practice some concrete starts. You know what I mean? So yeah, you really practice both. I don't know in today's day and age if anyone's doing anything.

Speaker 4:
[13:01] I doubt it. It's so routine. Like if you're a top tier, if you're taking a head to that.

Speaker 3:
[13:07] Hey, Talon, see if Lars will jump on real quick. Let's ask Lars. Let's see if he can jump on real quick. Do you have his number? Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[13:15] Yeah, of course he does.

Speaker 3:
[13:16] It's Lars.

Speaker 4:
[13:16] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[13:17] Let's see if Lars will jump on real quick for it. To just to ask him if anyone, Dazzy, him, anybody mentioned to Hunter about the wet grades. Christian Craig coming up here. Billy Hartle, also Matt Lemoine, Phil, Josh Ellingson all coming on board. But dude, Roczen's third one was just a thing of beauty. Like that track was beat. They stopped tripling before the triple. They stopped tripling before that. The long rhythm had guys all mixed up on go jumping on or jumping over. But Ken Roczen, man. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[13:44] Hit that wheelie down the start straight too. Like, oh my god, I want to ask Billy about that. Because that's got to be just such a sick feeling. Like he's in such a good headspace that it's like if he has a bad race, he can roll with that. You know, I mean, now it's coming down to the wire. Maybe not so much. But I feel like he's in like a no pressure zone. He's just going for it.

Speaker 3:
[14:03] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like dude, the crowd was nuts. You weren't there, but the crowd was going crazy. I don't know if you could see it here on TV. You could hear a little bit.

Speaker 4:
[14:10] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[14:11] They were absolutely losing it for Ken Roczen. So really, really cool story here. One point up. They may as well be tied. Three races to go. We might have some weather in Philadelphia. Pretty awesome to see this going on.

Speaker 4:
[14:23] If it's tight in Salt Lake, I will be there. You can't miss these opportunities. We're driving up for sure.

Speaker 3:
[14:29] Yeah. It'll be awesome. So the guys at Felder are stoked, I'm sure. Crowd wasn't bad. Back to Cleveland for the first time since 95.

Speaker 4:
[14:38] How was it? Last time I was here, there was a big talking point that Cleveland was going to take the number one spot for the worst venue.

Speaker 3:
[14:44] No, Cleveland did not.

Speaker 4:
[14:45] Uh-oh. What's it, Jordan?

Speaker 5:
[14:48] Still Birmingham.

Speaker 4:
[14:49] Yeah, I hope she's not listening.

Speaker 3:
[14:52] It wasn't bad. The flash box was okay. Yeah, it was fine, whatever. I thought there'd be more, I thought there was more fans than I thought with the rain.

Speaker 4:
[14:59] Really?

Speaker 3:
[14:59] I mean, so good job. Cleveland people came back.

Speaker 4:
[15:01] They got out of there fast, though.

Speaker 3:
[15:02] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[15:03] You can see it on the broadcast. They were out once that checkered flag.

Speaker 3:
[15:05] And the pits were pretty packed. The pits were really big and they were spread out. Dude, it was like a, I'm not kidding you. It was like a 10-minute walk from one end to the, Oh, wow. Like from one truck to the other. Like it was far.

Speaker 4:
[15:18] Was the entrance in the stadium kind of centered or if it's like you're on this end, like you're screwed?

Speaker 3:
[15:21] No, it was centered.

Speaker 4:
[15:22] Oh, I like that. That's nice.

Speaker 3:
[15:23] You were either way. Fly Racing, by the way, also on board with us. Pulp MX code saves it. Fly Racing formula helmet. It's amazing. Their Evo gear is great. They got that new mesh stuff. I know it's heating up and the mesh is the absolute lightest weight, most vented stuff they have. You got to try the mesh stuff from Fly Racing. flyracing.com, for more information. Use the code pulpmx when you're checking out. Thank you to Fly Racing for all that they're doing in there. For us, J. Coop wins again, wins another main. Good job for J. Coop.

Speaker 4:
[15:51] He's on a contract here too, right? Good time to get hot.

Speaker 3:
[15:54] And Cooper Webb gets back on the box. So good job for Cooper Webb.

Speaker 4:
[15:58] Yeah, we love that. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[16:00] He was really good. Coop was spicy, like right in qualifying. He was knocking out the rhythms right away. From the first time he hit the track, he was feeling it. So good job, Cooper Webb.

Speaker 4:
[16:09] He qualified with top three, right? Wasn't he up there? I didn't watch qualifying.

Speaker 3:
[16:13] I think he was first for a while in one of them. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[16:16] So you need to end the season on a high note for him. Obviously, he's not happy with the way the season is going.

Speaker 3:
[16:21] But yeah, I think he, I mean, look, I think this is his last year outdoors. I don't think I'm breaking any news. So and we know how last year's outdoors went. He will be a five, six guy. But this is his chance to get some money, these last three.

Speaker 4:
[16:38] He might be all eyes on outdoors too.

Speaker 3:
[16:41] Are you pulling for Hunter or Ken over one or the other? I said Ken's the better story, but obviously Hunter's cool too. First one for him. That'd be pretty awesome. I don't know. I see both sides.

Speaker 4:
[16:51] It's a pretty 50-50 split for me. But I do, I know the pipes pretty well just from working at Barrex forever and like the Aaron, the dad's super cool. Dustin's always been super. So I'm a little bit biased towards Ken, but either way, I'm happy with whoever wins it. But I'm definitely a little bit biased towards Ken.

Speaker 3:
[17:10] Were you in, were you and Mitchell and Benny in when I was going on the rant about the bike? Like just leaving it alone and just Kenny leaves his bike alone and it's literally 2018 bike?

Speaker 4:
[17:21] I feel like maybe we were, but that's a story we've heard a thousand times.

Speaker 3:
[17:27] I wonder if some of these teams are just like, man, this thing's a 2018 model. He doesn't touch it. It's a good bike. Does it do anything great? No, but it does everything very good.

Speaker 4:
[17:37] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[17:39] Maybe we can learn from this.

Speaker 4:
[17:41] There's got to be something to that because they have so much data. I mean, Larry was with that bike before. Like at Barks, we had that same model working on the 450. So there's a little bit.

Speaker 3:
[17:51] Did you guys do 450s?

Speaker 4:
[17:52] Yeah. We had a couple of guys race 450s. Kilroy, our Canadian guy, he's a small guy, but he's so fast on a 450. He's insane. But there's got to be something to that because you're not having to hit the reset button every four years. So there's got to be something to that, that you can keep building. I mean, it's a negative on a selling point because they want to go buy the new thing, like go buy new iPhones because it's new. Of course.

Speaker 3:
[18:17] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[18:17] But there's got to be something to that.

Speaker 3:
[18:19] I think so too, man. It's awesome. But then, but on the flip side, Muto, to that argument, Ken Roczen could probably ride a dishwasher fast. You know what I mean? Like, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 4:
[18:29] Yeah, he's so talented.

Speaker 3:
[18:31] You're like, yeah, it's Ken fucking Roczen.

Speaker 4:
[18:33] So, but also wasn't that bike like that bike came out like a year or two after his last time he wrote was RCH. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[18:41] Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[18:42] So maybe that bike was, wasn't, wouldn't you think that bike would almost kind of be around him? Like it, it's kind of almost got to be like going home because he liked the Suzuki before. And if they're coming out with a new bike, they're doing some of that pre-development with Ken in mind. So maybe there might be something to that.

Speaker 3:
[18:57] Yeah. Yeah. No, maybe you could have a point there. All right. Let's get to some Brad as a Muto question. What's up, Brad? You got to want to talk to Muto? Brad, you there? Yo. No, not really, Brad.

Speaker 4:
[19:13] Brad, you sound like you are in a submarine.

Speaker 1:
[19:16] Yeah. No, no, no. Oh, you're back.

Speaker 4:
[19:18] Are you in the Red Sea right now?

Speaker 3:
[19:20] We got you. What's up?

Speaker 2:
[19:21] Red Sea, yeah.

Speaker 7:
[19:22] Now North Dakota.

Speaker 2:
[19:23] So I have a question about that.

Speaker 7:
[19:25] So since we're talking about the yellow magic in the Suzuki's, Muto, you came up here before with Kilroy and you did a money raise in Jamestown for $10,000.

Speaker 4:
[19:38] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7:
[19:40] I was curious if you got a cut of that money that, you know, how was that if you guys want to elaborate?

Speaker 4:
[19:49] I mean, I'll be honest. I drove to Loretta's in his van. I drove to Club, then I drove to Bud's back to Club, to Unidilla back to Club, to Ironman, then to North Dakota. And he made a lot of money and he bought me all of Garden. So we were hot about that. We were hot and sad about that for a little bit, but I love Kilroy.

Speaker 3:
[20:06] Did you say something to him?

Speaker 4:
[20:08] I don't know. I think I was kind of like, all right, let's move on.

Speaker 3:
[20:14] I felt like with Red Dog, he paid me all right one year, but I was like, dude, you made about 300K in bonus money. Never mind your salary. Made 300K. I thought I'd get more.

Speaker 4:
[20:28] Well, to be fair to the Kilroy's, I was getting paid from the family and compared to the other mechanics on the team, I was making a few hundred more bucks a week. So they took really good care of me, and I did give them a little bit of shit for that.

Speaker 3:
[20:41] Yeah, you should. Kilroy's a good dude. All right, man. Thanks for the call. Appreciate it. All right.

Speaker 2:
[20:44] Awesome. Free. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 4:
[20:46] That money race is sick, though.

Speaker 3:
[20:48] Jim's on, too. What's up, Jim?

Speaker 2:
[20:51] Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 7:
[20:52] Hey, I was just kind of watching your show, but it must be delayed or whatever.

Speaker 2:
[20:57] But anyway, my question is, is PIR, are you guys going to do a show there this year?

Speaker 3:
[21:03] I don't know. I did last two years with Fly Racing. We did a Thursday show there. They had the rig, the new gear. I haven't heard this year, Jim, to be honest. I got to ask JT about it, so I'm not too sure. Yeah, don't know. But it was fun. PIR is cool.

Speaker 4:
[21:17] That's a good one to go to if you're ever up there.

Speaker 3:
[21:19] Yeah, definitely. All right, Jim. Thanks, buddy. I'll try. All right, thanks. See you, man. Appreciate it. Christian Craig here coming up. Billy Hartle, Phil, Matt Lemoine. You have any Matt Lemoine ever come across, Matt Lemoine?

Speaker 4:
[21:31] I met him one time. I think it was like an Orange Brigade banquet, and he was helping out like challenge tenant, I think. Really nice. That's only Matt Lemoine memory I have. He was just a really nice dude.

Speaker 3:
[21:43] All right. Hey, we got him on. The Honda HRC manager. Hey, Lars.

Speaker 7:
[21:48] What's happening? What's this all about?

Speaker 3:
[21:51] Okay. So Taylor Muto is here with me, by the way. So we were breaking down Hunter's quote after the race to the media, and then also your interview with me as well. We're just wondering, you know, Lars, you're old school, starting on concrete, the weight goes back a little bit, all of that. Hunter starts once the grate got wet. You mentioned it, not good. Do you think or do you know if Darren, yourself, Hunter, was there any adjustments made to the wet grate? Also, to take it further, we said, we were bench racing that, do you think any rider nowadays, like in our day, right, we had concrete starts, we had dirt starts, all of this stuff. But do you think any rider adjusted for wet grates, like a lower start hook height, shift your weight back, any of that? Were you guys aware of that?

Speaker 7:
[22:44] Well, yeah, I mean, of course we have all of those things that we were thinking about. But at the same time, there's a fine line between having 100% grip and spinning when it comes to the grate, especially when it's wet, right? So, I don't know if you can give up that, a little extra when it's not that wet, because I mean, it was wet, but it wasn't like it was dumping. It wasn't like it was like motor corruption, whatever. So, I think that, yeah, there's all those things. Maybe we could have gone to a little bit higher and start lockdown. We did talk about that, but we thought we'd begin. And then, honestly, we didn't spin. I think he was just a little bit too tentative on the thing. Maybe we could have adjusted the engine, the start mode to be a little bit softer. Maybe that would have helped, but then that's changing it again.

Speaker 3:
[23:43] Yeah, that's, like, do you really want to go into a main event with a new map slash new body positioning? Not really, you know?

Speaker 7:
[23:51] Yeah, exactly. You're kind of rolling the dice when we went out and absolutely crushed the first start and the whole race.

Speaker 3:
[23:57] Right.

Speaker 7:
[23:59] So, I think, yeah, you know, hindsight is 20-20, I guess, like anything, but I'm not sure that that was the answer, you know? But definitely, you know, going into this weekend, it would be, it would be foolish of us not to think of everything. In this situation, you know, you just, you've got to think of every single thing that you can do to give your guy an advantage show. So yeah, there, you know, this weekend looks like it could be raining in.

Speaker 3:
[24:24] Yeah, we were just talking like, so 800 million starts a certain way, start hook a certain way, ignition a certain way. Does anybody, not just Hunter Lawrence and Honda, does anybody want to be like, you know what? It's a little wet, great. Let's slide back. Let's change your start hook. Like, no, you can't, I don't think.

Speaker 4:
[24:42] It's almost safer to assume you're going to get the grip.

Speaker 3:
[24:45] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[24:45] And miss that. And then you get a 22nd place star because everyone else did the same thing and they rip off a good star and then you're just sitting there like, well, I wish I wouldn't have done that.

Speaker 3:
[24:54] Yeah. Yeah. No, and Lars, we only called you because obviously we know you'd probably pick up for us. But so I'm just wondering in general, we talked about it in general for all the guys, you know, because it would be a huge risk to take. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[25:06] I'm not sure if anybody else did anything different or if, you know, maybe, Hunter, you know, I know we've had that issue before at Nations and actually we've tested for this before too. But it's really hard to test for it, especially in Florida because I think a lot of it has to do with the temperature outside and all that and then it's just really, really hard to replicate. So, you know, you can go out there and spray the thing down with the hose and just do a million starts or whatever and it doesn't really make, you know, it's not apples to apples all the time. So, yeah, I mean, it is interesting, though.

Speaker 3:
[25:42] And Muto, you had a story of Cooper Webb at Foxboro.

Speaker 4:
[25:44] Yeah. Yeah. Cooper rolled up with no tire cover, muddy rear tire in the heat race and absolutely ripped a start and then showed up everything perfect in the main and I don't think he got nearly a good of a start.

Speaker 3:
[25:57] Right. So you're just like, yeah, who knows?

Speaker 4:
[25:59] Did Hunter take a sitelapse start or did he just roll out? Do you remember?

Speaker 7:
[26:04] No, he took his lap. We talked about maybe not and maybe trying to have a new tire there or even riding the spare bike because you can do that at a triple crown and you can switch your bike up until the 30 second board goes sideways. So or not sideways. I shouldn't say that until the 30 second board goes up. Yep. So but then you're you're doing a practice start on a different motorcycle. And even though the settings are identical, Hunter is really finicky with his clutch. And like a lot of riders are, once they ride one bike, even though the settings are the same, you get on the other bike and it just feels different no matter what. So until you can ride it a little bit and get used to it. So that was kind of like we decided not to do that because that would have been nice to start with a totally brand new bike and everything. But yeah, I totally agree. I mean, there's been plenty of times where you roll up there with the start. I mean, the GP guys too, the same thing. We're holding up the rear end and walking the bikes onto the grate with whatever. And then the guy with the muddy tire gets to start. I don't think that that is the way to do it. I would try to give you a guy the best advantage possible. But yeah, it's not 100% foolproof by any means.

Speaker 3:
[27:19] Did Hunter ride his backup bike in qualifying at all?

Speaker 7:
[27:21] Did he jump on it? No, I don't think we ever rode that bike. That's just like, you know, sitting there.

Speaker 3:
[27:28] Kenny rode his, I guess, for a little bit, and then came back, exactly the same bike, according to the Pypes guys, he came back and said, if we have to switch, I need a suspension, my race bike suspension on the backup bike. And they're like, it's the same. And Kenny's like, nope.

Speaker 4:
[27:41] No, it's not.

Speaker 3:
[27:42] No, it's not. So anyways, yeah.

Speaker 7:
[27:44] Yeah, it's always like that. I remember Ben Bostrom on a CBR 1000. He'd be like, I don't care what you guys say, that's not the same ECU. It just doesn't feel the same. And that's road racing, you know? It's the same type of deal. Like you would think ECU is, there's no way to screw that up. I mean, it's just computer, but that's the same type of thing there.

Speaker 3:
[28:04] Well, Lars, thanks for jumping on unannounced, unprompted. We appreciate that. We had questions, so thanks for the answers.

Speaker 7:
[28:11] I saw the Las Vegas number and I'm like, hmm, it's either spam or it's Steve.

Speaker 3:
[28:17] There we go. Thanks, buddy. Appreciate it. We'll see you this weekend, man. Thank you.

Speaker 4:
[28:21] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[28:22] See you. That's Lars Lindstrom. Get to the bottom of this.

Speaker 4:
[28:24] Only Lars got a Ben Boscham story just hanging right there to pull out.

Speaker 3:
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Speaker 4:
[29:14] I just brought the carry-on one today. Yeah, we're traveling light.

Speaker 3:
[29:18] Yeah, we're doing that. All right. OGO PowerSports, and thank you to those guys, whether it's the Rig Bag 9800, whatever it is, OGO PowerSports to have you covered. Pulp15, Code to Save with the OGO guys. Great backpacks, too, for travel, man. It's fantastic to have those guys on board. And bringing you our first guest of the night, Christian Craig. He's got an eighth this year, he's got a ninth this year, he's had a few poopy races as well for the QuadLog Honda guys, great WSX series, too, as well. So, yeah, lots to talk to when it comes to get Christian on the show. And I'm just filibustering because, oh, there he is. All right, Christian Craig, welcome to the show, man.

Speaker 2:
[29:53] Oh, what's up, guys? Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3:
[29:55] No problem. No worries. So listen, I got a beef with you right out of the gate. Yeah. Yeah, I got a beef. Dude, do you leave the track in 30 seconds after the main events? Like what? Okay. Because like I go by your truck, and there's Joey, and there's Shane, and Dean's around, and everybody, Nate's there. Everyone's having a good old time. And I'm like, Christian, gone.

Speaker 2:
[30:24] Yeah, I'm pretty known for, I mean, I talked to my mechanic, I talked to Marty, and then I'm like, all right, let's get out of here. It's already a long enough day for me. It is, yeah, yeah. It's obviously my results haven't been the greatest, and so I'm already frustrated. I don't want to look like I'm sitting there pissed off, so I'm like, let's get out of there, and get back to the hotel, or go get some dinner.

Speaker 3:
[30:48] I mean, I have come down from the press box, in an elevator, so I leave pretty much right when the checkers go off. I put the results, close my laptop. I've gone right to your truck.

Speaker 6:
[31:01] Gone.

Speaker 2:
[31:02] Just send me a text, just like, hey, I'm coming.

Speaker 6:
[31:05] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[31:06] I'll wait for you.

Speaker 3:
[31:07] Okay, good to know. Hey, let's talk a little Cleveland for you. Who can forget when you raced there in 95? No, I'm kidding. Hey, I got the impression, and I thought so too, from the press box, that it was really like almost three different tracks due to the weather. We saw the first one was pretty mint, pretty nice, and then it slowly got worse, and then that third one was hammered. The rain came on, it came off, it was all of that. Am I right? Did you think that so too?

Speaker 2:
[31:40] Yeah. I mean, I was checking the weather. I mean, all of us were checking the weather throughout the day, but I was just stoked we had a clean qualifying. That was probably my most stressful thing. If you have to qualify in the mud and say you can't get a clean lap in, you're screwed. You know, so once we got through practice, I'm like, all right, you know, we're in, we're good. And yeah, let the rest play out. But it was a struggle for sure. It was hard packed and had some soft spots and then it didn't. It was weird. But yeah, I think all of us kind of struggled at some point.

Speaker 3:
[32:19] Whoops look like no fun. Just pick a groove and pray.

Speaker 2:
[32:24] I actually, I felt good in those all day. I don't know what it was. I kind of just like, I would just wheel tap into it and just let it blitz. And yeah, I felt strong. I know a lot of people had some close calls. I actually in practice, I jumped off left side and went over a tough block and yeah, caught myself there. So yeah.

Speaker 4:
[32:45] I think Chris, I had to say Christian Craig feeling good in the whoops is not a shocking statement to hear.

Speaker 3:
[32:49] No, not at all.

Speaker 2:
[32:50] It's not lately.

Speaker 3:
[32:51] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[32:51] No, it is shocking. It is shocking lately.

Speaker 3:
[32:54] Were you doing out of the first turn, were you doing a three? You, in a lap, you were going two and then three one.

Speaker 2:
[33:04] Wait, so after the finish, you mean left?

Speaker 3:
[33:08] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[33:09] Two, three, yeah, two, three. I did that in practice in the first main and then I stopped doing it.

Speaker 3:
[33:14] Yeah, then it got hammered. Kenny was doing it in the third one a little bit, man.

Speaker 2:
[33:18] Yeah, and in the last main, I actually started going really tight in the corner. I was single and then go two, two, two.

Speaker 3:
[33:26] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[33:27] And the guy in front of me was going two, three, one, and I was literally just stay right next to him.

Speaker 3:
[33:32] Yeah, yeah. And you were like, I could do this with my eyes closed. Yeah, right.

Speaker 2:
[33:36] No ruts. It was always the opposite line and I was pretty stoked with that one.

Speaker 3:
[33:41] Yeah, yeah. That's not so bad either.

Speaker 2:
[33:42] Not so sketchy.

Speaker 3:
[33:43] No, not so sketchy. And then what about the long rhythm lane? What was the best way you found in that? Were you doubling in?

Speaker 5:
[33:48] Oh, gosh.

Speaker 2:
[33:49] That was a struggle. That was, yeah, I went first main, I would go two, three, and then table over and I landed on a tough block and that ruined main one for me. And then by the last main, I was going two, two over two, two, so.

Speaker 3:
[34:07] Two, wait, what were you going?

Speaker 2:
[34:10] I would go two, two over the table.

Speaker 3:
[34:12] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[34:12] Two, two.

Speaker 3:
[34:13] Two, two.

Speaker 2:
[34:13] So, it wasn't the fastest, but it was consistent.

Speaker 3:
[34:18] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[34:19] I felt like the three out was, had such a kicker on it that it was easy to miss, you know?

Speaker 3:
[34:26] So, 12th in the points, a couple of top 10s, but you're probably not where you wanted to be, where you thought you'd be?

Speaker 2:
[34:32] No, far from it.

Speaker 3:
[34:33] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[34:35] Yeah, I mean, I definitely have not reached my goals or expectations, but we're still here and healthy, I guess, in getting another chance each weekend, so I can't complain about that.

Speaker 3:
[34:48] I talked to somebody close to you and they said, look, I really think he just doesn't want to get hurt. He wants to make it through a year, and that could be costing him some speed. Is there any truth to that?

Speaker 2:
[35:00] I mean, I don't think I've ever said that, but obviously that's a goal of mine, is to be at every race.

Speaker 3:
[35:07] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[35:07] And it's hard to do, especially in the 450 class. I think I've been at every race, but I didn't race Seattle in the Heat Race, so I guess we can count that as a DNF.

Speaker 4:
[35:23] No, that counts.

Speaker 2:
[35:25] Yeah. I mean, I just want to be at every race and keep giving myself a chance, but maybe that's holding me back a little bit, but it's frustrating for sure.

Speaker 3:
[35:35] Right. Because we had you on at the WSX, we all know how that went. Now the field wasn't as deep, but still, you put in some rides in WSX. So I imagine you thought you'd be a little closer to the front.

Speaker 2:
[35:48] Yeah, for sure. I mean, two top 10s, and we're 15 rounds in, I feel like I should have a lot more top 10s than that. But I don't want to sit and dwell on it, that's for sure.

Speaker 3:
[36:04] Is it a bike thing, you thing, an injury, an old injury like coming?

Speaker 4:
[36:08] Blame the mechanic.

Speaker 3:
[36:09] Yeah, can we blame the mechanic?

Speaker 2:
[36:11] Yeah. No, I'm not one that blames anything. It's me at the end of the day, just need to twist the throttle. So I do it during the week. I'm stronger in the week. I feel like I'm physically strong. It's just doing it in the main event.

Speaker 4:
[36:32] So how are the starts been? I feel like you don't ever really see Christian, like a couple of times, right? But have we been like mid-pack starting?

Speaker 2:
[36:40] No, I feel like I have good starts. Like I'm more inside the top 10 usually than not. So I put myself in good positions and then I get shuffled back so damn quick that by the halfway mark, I'm just sitting there like what just happened.

Speaker 4:
[37:00] Billy, someone's going over the berm, Christian. We got to assert Dom and Terry the last couple of rounds.

Speaker 2:
[37:06] Yeah, I'm not one, it's the aggressive rider. So it's frustrating though because like I said, I'll be fifth or sixth for a couple of laps and then three guys would pass me in a lap and I'm like, dude, come on, figure it out. And I'm just sitting, it's just frustrating during the race. And little things like that that I kind of let go.

Speaker 3:
[37:31] There was a lot of quad lock Honda battles with Dean. Had Dean in the mix and dude, you guys are all around each other going forward, going backwards. Pass. It was quad lock Cleveland race. It was really quad lock Cleveland.

Speaker 2:
[37:46] I mean, we're definitely holding it down for the team. Yeah, Joey's running, Joey's running so damn good. So if I could try to match his pace early on, then obviously he finishes good.

Speaker 3:
[37:59] So I mean, let's just say it here publicly. The only reason Joey's beating you is because he has that transmission. Let's just say it publicly, you know?

Speaker 2:
[38:10] Yeah, like I said, I'm not one to blame the bike.

Speaker 4:
[38:13] Oh shit, that might have been something there. We need to stop to get him in trouble.

Speaker 3:
[38:17] No, hey, how's the team been? How's your Eve been? Marty, Davolos, obviously. Like you said, you haven't done what you wanted. Joey's been doing really well. Shane's been up and down a little bit. Shane got fifth in the last one though. Good job to him. How's the team been for you?

Speaker 2:
[38:32] The team's been awesome. We're at MTF. That's where the shop is based out of. But it's only me that rides out of there. Shane and Joey are down in Claremont area, and then I think Dean's over with the Lawrence's. So never get to really ride with those guys. But I'm at the headquarters pretty much every day with with Martine and the Mechanics. So I have a good relationship with them. And Martine kind of goes out on the track with me every day. And, and yeah, pushes me. We're getting to know each other a little bit more. Never really, I've raced Martine, you know, growing up in tippity class, but I never really talked to him or got to know him. So learning more about him. And then, yeah, Uribe has been to the first rounds and now his series started. So I know he's pretty focused on that.

Speaker 3:
[39:27] Right. Are we doing nationals? Do we know? What are we doing?

Speaker 2:
[39:30] Yes, yep. I'm actually running some motocross tomorrow.

Speaker 3:
[39:34] Oh, smack, okay.

Speaker 2:
[39:35] We're doing the first, hoping the first five, but just waiting for the WSX calendar to come out. And that will be, that'll take over priority once that comes out.

Speaker 3:
[39:47] And you're doing, so one of my questions was, you were back for WSX, yes, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[39:52] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[39:53] I think it's supposed to be this week. Pipes told me this week for WSX calendar. So I think first race is the Loretta's week in Calgary, I believe. And other than that, I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[40:03] Starting earlier this year, huh?

Speaker 3:
[40:05] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[40:05] That's new news to me. I haven't heard any of that.

Speaker 3:
[40:07] Come on, dude. What are you talking about?

Speaker 2:
[40:09] I really haven't. I really haven't.

Speaker 3:
[40:11] Yeah, I think it'll be around Washougal. So that week after Washougal in Calgary will be kickoff. But after that, I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[40:19] Yeah. Now, I'm looking forward to it, but training for WSX summer in Florida is not going to be fun. So that's going to be the only thing.

Speaker 3:
[40:27] But better than training in motocross in Florida.

Speaker 2:
[40:30] No.

Speaker 6:
[40:31] No.

Speaker 2:
[40:31] Supercross is gnarlier in summer.

Speaker 6:
[40:33] Why?

Speaker 2:
[40:36] Not much of like a break. Your heart rate is higher.

Speaker 3:
[40:42] I guess.

Speaker 2:
[40:42] Supercross would definitely hurt more.

Speaker 4:
[40:44] Lower speeds, less of a breeze to cool you down.

Speaker 2:
[40:46] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[40:47] I mean, sweaty palms hitting whoops.

Speaker 3:
[40:50] Two thirties in the sand, just packing sand in your ass for 30 minutes.

Speaker 4:
[40:56] I'm out either way, dude. I'm not a Florida guy.

Speaker 3:
[40:58] No.

Speaker 4:
[40:59] Either way.

Speaker 3:
[40:59] No. I used to go there to help Red Dog once a year, for like two or three weeks, refresh practice bikes, and then I would change my shirt 14 times a day, dude. And then you had the three o'clock thunderstorms. You're just like, what is going on here?

Speaker 4:
[41:14] I was almost Christian's practice mechanic when we went to Husky. There were talks. And I was like, dude, I can't move to Florida, dude. I can't do that. Really?

Speaker 3:
[41:23] That's why you bailed.

Speaker 4:
[41:25] I couldn't do it.

Speaker 3:
[41:25] Because you told me before the show it was because of Christian.

Speaker 4:
[41:28] Well, I didn't think you were going to blow me out.

Speaker 3:
[41:31] No. Yeah. Listen, I don't know. I guess either way to me, it sounds really hard. Supercross, motor car, sweater.

Speaker 2:
[41:42] Yeah. The summer is starting. The weather is starting to get hot reach out here. So either way, it's tough. But yeah, I'm not a humidity guy either. I grew up in San Diego.

Speaker 3:
[41:52] Yeah. Yeah. Really right. 702-586. Pulp, you got a question for Christian Craig here. Quadlock Honda brought to you by the folks at OGO Power Sports, Pulp15. Code to say with those guys.

Speaker 4:
[42:02] Christian, I got a question for you. So obviously, the season results you're not happy with, like you're a past champion, like you want to be consistently the top 10, top five guy. But from how, like as a 450 career as a whole, do you feel like you're trending upwards? Do you feel like you're on a bike that you're getting more comfortable with? Because last year, I feel like you didn't look as comfortable as we've seen you before. Like do you feel like everything's trending up? Where would you say everything's at from your perspective? Because I think you are. I think we're on an upward progression for Christian Craig.

Speaker 2:
[42:36] Yeah, I would say from my elbow injury to now, it's I'm finally starting to see like a build up and like more just strong all around. So that was what, three years ago now? So that took a lot to get over. And man, it's tough because I rode 450 and I filled in for Factory Honda quite a bit in 2017 and 2018. I had a lot of top fives and even some fourth place finishes.

Speaker 4:
[43:07] I forgot about that.

Speaker 2:
[43:09] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[43:09] Shredding, dude.

Speaker 2:
[43:11] Yeah, one guy at the team, on the team, when I got a ninth in Dallas, he's like, man, that was your best like 450 finish ever. I'm like, no, I've gotten like three top four, I've got three fourth places and like two fifth places. I've won a Heat before and it was a long time ago, but still, 450 class, you know. So, you know, that's the class is for sure gnarlier now, but again, just I want to be closer to the mix and battle with those guys a little bit more, you know.

Speaker 3:
[43:41] Yeah, well, if Joey didn't take all the good parts, yeah, we'd be doing that. Joey and his moon.

Speaker 2:
[43:47] Yeah, I mean, those 5th places, they, yeah, he can ask for more.

Speaker 3:
[43:52] I had to laugh and I brought it up in the review show. So at the end, I'm looking at the results just real quickly before I head down to the truck to not see you. And I thought Joey did pretty well. Like I'm like, I don't just, he didn't had a good night. The fifth overall, it turns out, dude, I'm talking to him. And I like Joey a lot. And dude, he's going on about how he needs to ride better. It speeds a little better, but he's lost some of it due to this injury and it wasn't a good day and we got to work hard and we got to ride better. And while he's talking to me, I'm like, wait, did I not see a fifth? Did something happen? Did he get a 10th, a 15th? Like what is going on? It's such a joke.

Speaker 4:
[44:30] It sounds like he's on Suicide Watch.

Speaker 3:
[44:32] Right, it's such a Joey thing, Christian. I was laughing. I told Weege and JT the same thing. And they were just like, yeah. He was surprised.

Speaker 2:
[44:38] It's crazy. Like, I mean, obviously his mindset, he thinks he could be a podium guy, which is cool. Like he's close to the front than I am. But I mean, I would be so stoked for a fifth. And I think early on this season, I heard Chase in an interview saying like, you know, he just was bashing, like being a seventh or eighth place guy. And I'm like, God, what I would do for an eighth place right now, you know? It's just like the mindsets are so different, you know, in our career.

Speaker 3:
[45:08] Well, you've been there though, you had that mindset. You know, you've, like you said, you've been that spot. You're just like nothing can go wrong, right?

Speaker 2:
[45:16] Yeah, for sure. I mean, yeah, my expectations are for sure higher, but I mean, I just need to show up and do it.

Speaker 3:
[45:24] By the way, we got the expert on Gargoyle Tarot coming up with you as well shortly here on the show, OGO Power Sports, Pulp15, Code to Save. What is wrong with Chase Sexton? Christian, we may as well let you weigh in, because everyone else does. What is wrong?

Speaker 2:
[45:38] Just, I think frustration is taking its toll.

Speaker 3:
[45:41] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[45:41] And it's pretty clear to see. I think everyone kind of sees that. When you're not happy, I think it boils over, but I mean, he can do that and go get, what'd he get, fourth place?

Speaker 3:
[45:55] Yeah, I got that.

Speaker 2:
[45:57] I mean, he's obviously, he can do it. And he's pretty badass on a dirt bike. So I don't see or talk to him much, but you can obviously see he's frustrated.

Speaker 3:
[46:09] Are you, so you dub, you and WSX, are you racing next Supercross next year? Are you locked in with your Reeve team, or is this a WSX thing and you gotta find a home and you wanna stay, or like, what's the status?

Speaker 2:
[46:20] I mean, I'm planning to stay. I'd love to be here for, you know, long term. I'd like to, I know my, I have WSX and then my contract's up, so I want to, yeah, hopefully we can keep doing what we're doing and yeah, I would love to kind of just do the races your Reeves, you know, choose it for me and also race Supercross.

Speaker 3:
[46:43] Oh nice, yeah, would you do Australian stuff if you had to? Like, I don't know how the calendar goes, but yeah.

Speaker 2:
[46:47] I would, I think he gets to kind of pick and choose what his riders get to, what series we get to go to, you know, which is cool.

Speaker 3:
[46:56] And how's your Fox gear? You happy with that?

Speaker 2:
[47:00] Yeah, yeah, so I want to be, you know, I plan to be a forever Fox guy, you know, that's kind of my goal, so.

Speaker 3:
[47:09] Try to get you in some fly, maybe try to get you in some fly.

Speaker 4:
[47:12] Team deal.

Speaker 3:
[47:13] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[47:15] I think, yeah, I think I got some pretty, I mean, I know I'm not riding my best, but I for sure look one of the best, you know, while you all on and off the bike.

Speaker 3:
[47:23] Well, dude, yeah, your style is pretty sick. No matter where you are, your style is still pretty sick, for sure. All right, we got Levi on to Levi. You got a question for Christian? Well, you got, you're in a submarine.

Speaker 4:
[47:38] Yeah, everyone's in submarines today.

Speaker 3:
[47:39] Not everyone, but yeah. All right, Levi's gone. We don't know what's going on. Hey, by the way, I wanted to talk about this too, Christian. We are teamed up with Intense Ambassador. And so this is pretty cool. Thursday before Paula, we are doing an Intense ride day for the new Spyder and the new Taser. Christian will be riding the acoustic bike. I will ride the e-bike.

Speaker 4:
[48:03] You got him covered?

Speaker 3:
[48:03] Yeah, I got him covered.

Speaker 2:
[48:04] Well, I think that's bullcrap. That is not okay.

Speaker 3:
[48:07] We're going to do it at Vale Park in California. So I've been there before. It's a really cool place to ride. Lots of trails, lots of runs up there. So we are going to do that. Follow Intense on Instagram to learn more about this. But it's Thursday before Paula, right, Christian?

Speaker 2:
[48:23] Yeah, May 28th for Vale Lake on Temecula. I've rode those trails a lot. So I'm pumped. This is something that will be really fun. I think some fans, friends, people can show up and demo the bike. Yeah, I mean, you're going to be on the e-bike, so it's not going to be fair. I can't check out on you up the hills, but downhill.

Speaker 3:
[48:46] You'll get me down there because some of that stuff, I'm not jumping some of that stuff.

Speaker 2:
[48:51] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[48:51] And there'll be demos there. The new Taser is out real soon next month, and the new Spider is out now. And the guys at Intense have done a great job of that. So wait till you see the new Taser. It's so much better than the old one. They've done a great job. Bosch Motor, Carbon Frame, lots of options. So check out Intense on Instagram, social media, to check out more about the May 28th ride day. Christian will be there, I'll be there. Muto may be there.

Speaker 4:
[49:16] Taser will boost your VO2 max numbers.

Speaker 3:
[49:17] Yeah, yeah. Well, we'll get into that in a second. All right, I think Levi is back. Levi, you back?

Speaker 7:
[49:24] Yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 3:
[49:25] Okay, what's up, buddy?

Speaker 7:
[49:27] Hey, man, I just want to let Christian know he sounds a little down on the show tonight, and his fans are just happy to see him going strong through the Supercross season, keep his head up for the last few here, and glad to hear he's doing outdoors, and get to rip it in the outdoors, and just let him keep his head up, and quit sounding so down, man.

Speaker 2:
[49:46] Do I really sound down?

Speaker 3:
[49:48] A little bit, a little bit, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[49:50] I feel like he's just a neutral guy. He doesn't get too high, too low. You know, it could be perceived as that.

Speaker 3:
[49:57] Yeah, maybe, maybe. Well, listen, Christian, on the good news.

Speaker 2:
[50:01] I appreciate that, man. Is he still on there?

Speaker 3:
[50:03] Yeah, he is. Yeah, Levi.

Speaker 2:
[50:04] Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 7:
[50:05] I'm still on here.

Speaker 2:
[50:07] Yeah, I appreciate the words. I mean, like I'll have a bad practice, and I'll come back and some fans will just be there, and it switches my attitude real quick, and puts it in perspective. So, I appreciate the support.

Speaker 7:
[50:20] Hey, I was a big follower on your vlog, and I hated to see it kind of drop off, but I understand with the results and stuff. But you just sound a little down tonight, and I wanted to call in and be somebody to try and help you stay through the last ones here.

Speaker 6:
[50:39] Get them strong in the outdoors. I appreciate the call.

Speaker 3:
[50:41] Thanks, man. Appreciate it.

Speaker 6:
[50:42] Take care, guys.

Speaker 3:
[50:43] Look at that.

Speaker 4:
[50:44] This guy's got me wanting to put some words of affirmation on Christian's bar pad, you are enough.

Speaker 3:
[50:48] Christian, in Maine, I found the bright spot. I found a bright spot. In Maine, too. You were the fastest guy in segment one.

Speaker 2:
[50:58] I'm trying to think of that. How long was the segment?

Speaker 3:
[51:00] It was only three seconds, man. So sorry. You're lying to them, man. We're trying to build them up. I can't lie to them, but I wanted to bring some sort of positive talk to the thing. It was after the finish. It was the finish to like the third jump on the next rhythms.

Speaker 2:
[51:17] Yeah, I railed that corner. We'll just live on that one.

Speaker 3:
[51:20] There you go.

Speaker 4:
[51:20] You're damn right you did.

Speaker 2:
[51:22] I feel like I had my best qualifying of the season, so I was pumped. Even how I finished, I left the night, and I'm like, you know what? I rode way better. I might not show it on paper, but I qualified better. I had more aggression. And so it's just, yeah, it results on paper is where I get.

Speaker 3:
[51:40] It is funny, like you guys do work like that, because as a media guy, I've gone down and been like, hey man, 10th, wow, you know, what a night or whatever. And they'll be like, no, I didn't ride good. You know what I mean? Like you guys know, you guys know, hey, this guy fell, that guy fell, or hey, I rode great, but this happened, or you know what I mean? Like you guys have a idea of what's going on. So, all right. Time for the X brand goggle tear off segment. Let's do this.

Speaker 1:
[52:08] It's the X brand tear off segment, 15 second rapid fire Q&A.

Speaker 3:
[52:13] Pulp Show 26, Code to Save with X brand. Choice of champions everywhere. You know who's running X brand? It's Henry Miller, Derek Kelly. Putting some good results there. Chiz is testing the shit out of the Cali with X brand cockles. Helping out the Cali guys there. I don't know if it's helping, but he is testing. PulpMX26 is a... PulpShow26 is a code to say with X brand. Lucid Goggles as well available and new straps, new colors, all that stuff. These questions are submitted by Corey Moser. Muto, are you familiar at all?

Speaker 4:
[52:42] No, I'm out on that guy.

Speaker 3:
[52:43] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[52:44] I'm out.

Speaker 3:
[52:44] All right. Let's do this, Marks.

Speaker 5:
[52:46] Steven.

Speaker 3:
[52:46] Yep.

Speaker 5:
[52:47] Which of your bad takes has been the biggest loss? You mentioned the fast pitch speed and hole shot challenge.

Speaker 3:
[52:56] Yeah, the fast pitch wasn't good at all. That was not good. I didn't realize my rotator cuff from the early 90s was going to come back and haunt me.

Speaker 4:
[53:02] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[53:04] I'm going to say, I thought Sealy, as far as hot takes, I came into the show and said, listen, Sealy is going to win a bunch of races. Just buckle up.

Speaker 4:
[53:14] In 450s?

Speaker 3:
[53:15] Yeah. Buckle up, 450 Supercross, watch this and Cole won one. That might have been the one I was really off on. Cole had a nice career, did really well, but I was on board.

Speaker 4:
[53:27] Yeah. Shoot or shoot.

Speaker 3:
[53:28] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[53:29] I'd take his career.

Speaker 3:
[53:31] Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 5:
[53:31] Right?

Speaker 3:
[53:32] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[53:33] Right.

Speaker 5:
[53:35] Muto, what's the best and worst part about wrenching on a Beta?

Speaker 4:
[53:38] Didn't they ask us? He asked us last time. Yeah. It's this fucking guy every time with this guy.

Speaker 3:
[53:43] He's an idiot.

Speaker 4:
[53:44] Rip it.

Speaker 3:
[53:44] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[53:44] Rip it. Right.

Speaker 3:
[53:46] Well, I know what the best thing is, the pop-up seat.

Speaker 4:
[53:48] Yeah, the seat button.

Speaker 3:
[53:49] The seat button. Have you seen this, Christian?

Speaker 2:
[53:52] I think I have. I've seen them. I rode by and I saw that. Damn, that is pretty sweet.

Speaker 3:
[53:56] They just push a button and the whole seat pops off.

Speaker 4:
[53:59] The bike so easy to work on. Freckle is his own practice mechanic and has not the bike up yet. So that's all you need.

Speaker 6:
[54:04] Can we get a seat ever just pop off?

Speaker 4:
[54:07] No.

Speaker 3:
[54:08] Yes, it does. Yes, it does. He's.

Speaker 4:
[54:11] No. It happened one time. Okay. It was a rivet thing. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[54:17] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[54:17] Yeah. That was Colt's fault. It was Colt's fault.

Speaker 3:
[54:20] Let's be real here. Can we get an update on Oldenburg's outdoor prep? Because he was pretty bummed at us. When he was in last time and I said he got 42nd.

Speaker 4:
[54:27] Dude, you don't know how much. He calls me every day back from the track. If he is on the podium, he's going to grab the microphone and say, fuck Steve Matthes. You are his motivation.

Speaker 3:
[54:36] I hope so.

Speaker 4:
[54:37] Thank you.

Speaker 3:
[54:38] Honestly, I like Oldenburg, but he's not an outdoor guy.

Speaker 4:
[54:42] He commented on Benny's first day back on Strava. He just leave the comments like, we are so back. I laughed so hard when I saw that. He's just dumb and dumber, dude. He's hammering motos right now.

Speaker 3:
[54:52] Yeah. Oldenburg's not exactly an outdoor warrior, but he's digging deep. We hope for the best. We really do.

Speaker 4:
[54:59] Yeah, we do. I'm going to be on suicide watch if we're not.

Speaker 3:
[55:01] Yeah. All right.

Speaker 5:
[55:04] All right, Christian. Everyone says how smooth and naturally talented you are on a bike. Do you feel that way when riding?

Speaker 2:
[55:12] I do. I feel like when I ride smooth, that's when my speed comes out and it looks effortless to people. But then you can put a stopwatch on it and that's when I'm my fastest. And then if it looks like I'm riding aggressive or like trying to sprint too hard, I guess that's when it goes like I'm not going my fastest. So I'm always the guy that's like smooth and fast.

Speaker 5:
[55:39] All right. Steve.

Speaker 3:
[55:41] Yep.

Speaker 5:
[55:42] Star is on a hell of a run. Who has the best chance of challenging them?

Speaker 3:
[55:48] That's a great question, dude. All riders got on the podium this weekend. Two 450 guys, three 250 guys. Damn, dude. Good job for those guys. Who has the chance to take them down? I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[56:02] It'll be interesting next year because obviously that spot from D gets me gone, but they got someone right up.

Speaker 3:
[56:07] Yeah. I mean, look, if Levi can get back and Cam can stay injury free. I like Drew Adams, too, potentially.

Speaker 4:
[56:14] Seth.

Speaker 3:
[56:15] Yeah, Seth's solid. Seth's like the working. I mean, I feel like Mitch could. His bikes are good.

Speaker 4:
[56:19] Everyone who's second and third has the best chance to get them next year.

Speaker 3:
[56:23] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[56:27] Muto, favorite and least favorite rider you've wrenched for?

Speaker 4:
[56:32] Oh shit.

Speaker 3:
[56:34] There's got to be a guy you didn't gel with. You don't got to be like, you don't got to blow him out. But I mean, I got a guy like that, like Danny Smith for me. Like Danny, nice kid. I still talk to him when I see him. He worked at WPS forever. We just didn't gel. So just, you know.

Speaker 4:
[56:46] So I got almost two answers to that. Favorite might have to be Levi Newby in 2017.

Speaker 3:
[56:51] Who?

Speaker 4:
[56:51] He was a B rider, won the C class with Loretta, super good kid, fast, blew his knee out early on, was kind of a wrap for him after that. But least favorite and most favorite, honestly, might be Mumford. Because we had so much fun, but I wanted to kick his ass all the time, dude. All the time.

Speaker 3:
[57:09] Oh, Christian, you know anything about that at all?

Speaker 4:
[57:10] I went and picked up suspension from RG3 at like 2 in the morning, got back, got the bike ready at like 3, woke up early to go to the Suzuki track, got like 2 hours sleep, and I'm calling him. I'm like, dude, can you please just grab me Starbucks or something on the way to the track? And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm not riding today. I'm like, oh, yeah, thanks for the heads up, dude. Like, driving out to the high des all the time.

Speaker 3:
[57:33] But I don't know what's going on. I like Mumphy. I don't know what's going on because he's hurt, but he's not, he's on Instagram riding, but he's not racing. I don't know. He's AEO. I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 4:
[57:43] So I talked to him on the way up here. We're bringing some heat to the last two rounds. Yeah. We're bringing, there's no excuses. Last year.

Speaker 3:
[57:49] Why did he miss the other rounds? Did we know?

Speaker 4:
[57:51] I had like a little arm thing. I don't know if he wants me to talk about it, but.

Speaker 3:
[57:55] There's a lot of, there's a lot of vague stuff with Mumphy, right?

Speaker 4:
[58:00] Like, dude, he was going so fast last year. And then it's just like, he just disappeared.

Speaker 3:
[58:05] I think he didn't like living at MTF or whatever and all that.

Speaker 4:
[58:08] I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[58:10] It's sprint speed. No, he got some sprint speed. Yeah, he's got it in him. I love, I love Carson.

Speaker 4:
[58:16] Yeah, Christian, come on. You two need to bring the band back together. Let's figure it out.

Speaker 3:
[58:19] There we go.

Speaker 2:
[58:19] I know. I know.

Speaker 5:
[58:22] All right, Christian, who was a rider you looked up to growing up?

Speaker 2:
[58:28] Oh, that's tough.

Speaker 3:
[58:35] When your dad was a factory guy or Honda of Troy, were you going to a lot of races or no? Were you with your mom?

Speaker 2:
[58:43] I hated dirt bikes when he was like factory.

Speaker 3:
[58:47] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[58:47] I don't know what it was like he would always ask if I wanted to go to Supercross or I went to a Canada round with them once and I don't really remember much of it when he was on Blackfoot Honda. What else was it? But I was like in the BMX in different sports. I was just, yeah, I'm like, yeah, whatever. And I guess I'm getting payback because my kid could care less to come watch me either. No, but I mean, someone that probably stands out would be like a Wyndham. Just like the way he carried himself, the style he had and his transfers, you know, it's like probably he didn't win the most titles in the most races, but it's like anybody who would go to the races, you knew Wyndham, you know.

Speaker 3:
[59:34] Six or eight second places in titles, I think.

Speaker 4:
[59:37] That's so brutal.

Speaker 3:
[59:38] To Ricky, like just unbelievable.

Speaker 2:
[59:40] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[59:41] To Ricky and a few other guys.

Speaker 2:
[59:42] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[59:43] Steve, was Craig riding better in WSX than he's been in Essex?

Speaker 3:
[59:48] Yeah, man. Thanks, Moser. Great question.

Speaker 5:
[59:50] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[59:50] That was great.

Speaker 3:
[59:51] Yeah. Super tough. Listen, like I said, the competition wasn't as deep, there's no doubt, but Christian was definitely riding better. Yes, for sure. So yeah, great stuff, Moser.

Speaker 5:
[60:05] Muto, where's Deeg's finish overall in outdoors?

Speaker 4:
[60:12] I mean, once again, we talked about this last time. He's like a third to fifth guy.

Speaker 3:
[60:17] I think so too.

Speaker 4:
[60:18] I mean, that's accounting for him.

Speaker 6:
[60:19] Do you think he wins around?

Speaker 4:
[60:20] Well, I'm accounting for him being behind two betas because we're going to be first second. Then Deeg's is going to shuffle in there. I mean, he's probably going to win a Muto.

Speaker 3:
[60:31] I think he wins Muto's. Yeah, I think he wins Muto's. He could win it overall as well for sure. Christian, do you agree?

Speaker 2:
[60:38] Yeah, and I think it'll come early because Paul's around one, obviously, and he grew up, what, 20 minutes from there.

Speaker 4:
[60:45] He's going to be so horny out there, too, dude. He's going to just, oh my god.

Speaker 3:
[60:50] And Jett may not be 100% right from his 100%.

Speaker 4:
[60:53] Is he even riding?

Speaker 3:
[60:54] He's riding now, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[60:55] Because I watched the broad was it last week, and the way he's talking, I'm like, dude, is this guy even on the bike?

Speaker 3:
[61:01] I think that's going to be mind games all summer long.

Speaker 4:
[61:04] Yeah, he's going to be fast no matter what.

Speaker 3:
[61:06] Well, I don't know about that. I think he might take a little bit to get going. But as far as the Deegs-Lawrence thing, it's on. It's 100% on. So buckle up for that.

Speaker 4:
[61:16] I wonder if he's going to get like a 450 initiation where people are just going to tee him up if they have the chance.

Speaker 3:
[61:22] They got to catch him.

Speaker 4:
[61:23] That's true, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[61:25] But I was saying on one of my shows, like, dude, Chase isn't Chase right now. Eli, we don't know. We could have a couple of champions riding around in fourth and fifth being like, what is happening?

Speaker 4:
[61:35] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[61:36] You know, Hunter, Jet, Diggs, Prado, all beating Chase and Eli. Like, right now, could you not see it?

Speaker 4:
[61:43] It's not crazy talk. No, 100%. Prado too. He should be a problem outdoors.

Speaker 3:
[61:48] Absolutely. So yeah. Think about if you're chasing, you're riding your balls off and you're in sixth. Like, that ain't going to stand.

Speaker 4:
[61:56] Dude, it's got to be so annoying too if you have like being someone like that and having a bad moto and just like, obviously the team cares, but they're like, hey, like, what's, what's going on? I think, dude, I just had a fucking bad night. Like, yeah, everyone needs to relax.

Speaker 3:
[62:08] All right.

Speaker 5:
[62:09] All right. Last one.

Speaker 3:
[62:10] Last one.

Speaker 5:
[62:11] Christian, would you ever drop back down to a 250?

Speaker 2:
[62:15] Absolutely not. No, I spent, I spent so much time on that bike and I'm glad that I ended it with a title. But yeah, I took so much damn hate for how old I was in the class. And now it's like normal to be, to be 30 and, and, and winning in that class, you know? So, um, nope, we have moved on.

Speaker 3:
[62:39] All right, X-Bound Goggles. All right, anything else for Christian before we let him go? We got Billy Hartle coming up next.

Speaker 4:
[62:47] Christian, keep your head up, man. Apparently, uh, you know, it's by that your fans think-

Speaker 2:
[62:52] How do I sound that down? I'm bombed now.

Speaker 4:
[62:55] I was going to say, apparently, your fans think you're on Suicide Watch. But no, man, it's good to talk to you. It's been a while.

Speaker 3:
[63:00] May 28th, intense ride day. Spider, Taser, Vail, Vail, California.

Speaker 4:
[63:06] That'll be a good time.

Speaker 3:
[63:07] Yes. Come check it out. Demo the bikes, all of that. Christian, I'll be hanging out.

Speaker 2:
[63:12] I'm pumped for that. Hopefully, I'll bring a better mood, I guess.

Speaker 3:
[63:17] We just got a tweet that said you are the grumpiest, saltiest guy out there to listen to.

Speaker 4:
[63:24] That's crazy.

Speaker 3:
[63:25] He said you have the hottest misses.

Speaker 2:
[63:28] I mean, yes.

Speaker 4:
[63:30] That was the funniest thing about that guy. That guy thinking he's all depressed. Keep your head up. It's like, dude, the guy's handsome as hell. He's a professional athlete. Yeah. Smoking a hot wife and three kids. Yeah. I think he's okay, dude. He's a two-figure champion. Yeah. He's a millionaire. He's okay, guys. You don't need to worry about him. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[63:46] We're fine.

Speaker 2:
[63:48] That's just because he's bringing out the bad questions. He's not letting me. Oh, wow. You know?

Speaker 3:
[63:53] Well, listen.

Speaker 2:
[63:54] No, I'm kidding. Listen.

Speaker 3:
[63:56] Call the PonyPod then if you're, you know, better questions for you. No. Listen, man. I appreciate the time. So I will be texting you for Philly and you will, unless it's a disaster, you will hang out after Philly for the post-race interview. So I can't wait, Christian.

Speaker 2:
[64:12] Well, yeah. I'll wait for you because I'll be sending you fix my mood. So we'll be working on that one.

Speaker 3:
[64:17] Yeah. And then also you do not talk to Lewis. That's part of it too.

Speaker 2:
[64:21] I am or I'm not?

Speaker 3:
[64:22] You're not. You do not talk to Lewis. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[64:25] Why not?

Speaker 3:
[64:26] No, I just.

Speaker 4:
[64:27] Yeah. Don't talk to that guy. Yeah. that guy.

Speaker 3:
[64:29] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[64:30] He's off limits.

Speaker 3:
[64:30] Yeah. He's got Eli mad at him, man.

Speaker 4:
[64:35] I'm sending an alarm to text Christian on Saturday. Oh, yeah. You're enough. We love you.

Speaker 2:
[64:42] Thomas is not.

Speaker 4:
[64:43] Just have fun out there.

Speaker 2:
[64:46] I'll be okay, guys.

Speaker 3:
[64:48] Awesome, man. Thanks, Christian. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 4:
[64:51] Have a good one.

Speaker 3:
[64:52] OGO Power Sports, bringing you Christian Craig. Savachi said, ask Muto how we can leave Colt and our WSX trips off the list.

Speaker 4:
[65:01] Well, I don't know if I should tell those stories, Joey. If you want me to tell those stories, I could tell them, but I've got some great videos. Those were some of the most fun times of my life for those WSX trips.

Speaker 3:
[65:13] Which one? What were you doing?

Speaker 4:
[65:14] Every single one. Every single one. You know that guy said, oh, you have a 12th, you have a bad night? Colt's the opposite of that. He went 15, like 18, and then won the third MOTO of the Melbourne one, and you would have thought we won the championship how we were acting that night. It was like, Kenny, you can have your night, but we're going to be partying over here, having a great time.

Speaker 3:
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Speaker 6:
[66:04] Not too much, what's going on, Steve?

Speaker 3:
[66:06] Thanks for having us, appreciate it. So, I mean, Muto, great mechanic sitting across from me. Do you guys know each other? Do you know Billy?

Speaker 4:
[66:12] I've forced my way into talking to Billy because I've always been a fan of that guy.

Speaker 3:
[66:16] So just all of us, championship winning mechanics, all of us, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[66:20] Race winning.

Speaker 3:
[66:20] Yeah, race winning, that's it.

Speaker 4:
[66:22] Not in America, but.

Speaker 3:
[66:24] I got one national win. One, and a Summercross, if anybody knows what the fuck that is.

Speaker 4:
[66:30] Your Summercross is going to be my German Supercross win.

Speaker 3:
[66:32] Yeah, exactly. Listen, I've said this before, and we're going to have Jelly on later to talk more VO2 than working there, but I've said this before, I don't ever want to be a mechanic again. I did it for 12 years. Fuck that. You guys are the hardest working people out there.

Speaker 4:
[66:46] What do you think of here?

Speaker 3:
[66:46] You're right above flagman as far as how hard you guys work for how little you get thanked. But if I had to come back and grab the wrenches, I'm coming back for Pipes Motorsports. Dude, Billy, you go home during the week, you got to do a little bit of testing here and there. The bike's the fucking same. You got nothing going on there. And then you fly in and build on Wednesday, Thursdays, Sundays, go home. Fantastic. It's the best gig in the world, Billy.

Speaker 2:
[67:18] Yeah, I mean, honestly, I can't... I mean, yeah, I can't complain. It's pretty good and they take care of us pretty well. You know, I mean, anything we need, they're always there for us.

Speaker 6:
[67:31] But yeah, I mean, it's pretty simple.

Speaker 2:
[67:36] I mean, as far as what I've been through in the past, this is definitely the best way to do it.

Speaker 3:
[67:41] You think your gig's a little better than, say, Star Guys? What do you think? Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[67:46] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[67:47] And then you've done that. That's a lot.

Speaker 3:
[67:49] Yeah. Hey, Peanut, water line is broken over in turn four.

Speaker 4:
[67:56] I could never do that again, dude.

Speaker 3:
[67:57] Let's go fix that, buddy.

Speaker 4:
[67:59] I'm never doing that.

Speaker 2:
[68:00] I remember... So I've had to... Well, I had to move shops with them one time whenever we were at... When we went from Elsinore to Temecula there. And, yeah, I mean, we're building the dino rooms. We're doing everything. We do it all, whatever we need.

Speaker 6:
[68:16] We've even done... Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[68:17] That's what I'm saying. Listen, nothing against the Star Guys. I just finished talking about how great they were this weekend. But this Pipes team... If I got to come back, if I got to sling the wrenches, Muto, I'm calling Pipes. And then next year, they're getting a popcorn machine. That's what Aaron said. So like...

Speaker 4:
[68:31] Did they get the Latte Machine? I saw some stuff.

Speaker 3:
[68:33] They got a Latte Machine?

Speaker 4:
[68:34] Oh, the Breville?

Speaker 2:
[68:34] Definitely got a Latte Machine. We're burning through gallons of milk every weekend.

Speaker 3:
[68:39] And then, dude, hey, what do you guys want to test? Well, the bike's been the same for fucking seven years, so not much, man.

Speaker 4:
[68:46] You guys want to run the Patrona clamps again? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[68:49] Throw it on.

Speaker 3:
[68:49] Like... But it's working. I'm mocking it, but it's working. So I need a job, Pipes Motorsports. I've already asked Pipes if I could be the WSX PR man, because I do want free trips to all these places, like South Africa and everywhere, Sweden. So we'll see about that.

Speaker 4:
[69:06] I would love to be on the World Supercross program again.

Speaker 3:
[69:09] Billy Hartle here on the show, brought to you by Renthal. But no, in all seriousness, it sounds like a really good team. Everyone's Jell in there. Andrew's been there for a long time. Jelly's new, obviously. Good dude. How is the team morale? How's the team and all of that going on?

Speaker 2:
[69:25] Man, it's really good. Everyone gets along pretty well, I feel like, and we all have no problem working together. I think everyone, especially with the Larry situation, I think everyone really, it was a step up mentality. That happened, Larry went down, and everyone just said, we all have to pull together and pick up where Larry can't. It's been working out really well.

Speaker 3:
[69:56] Yeah, I was going to ask you about the situation with Larry, like how's that been going? Obviously more thrown on Dustin, right? A little bit there, so yeah. How's that been? Has that been in a big adjustment? Larry, people know Larry Brooks is battling cancer right now, and he had his fingers in everything, and there's not a harder worker than Larry Brooks out there. No, absolutely not. Yeah, so a lot of Mountain Deuce, but so how is that without Larry there?

Speaker 2:
[70:21] Yeah, it's weird because it's just weird not having him there, but everyone has done great job, just coming together and picking up, like I said, the things that he can't do, but Larry's still there. He didn't go anywhere. He's in our ear all the time. We're always texting back and forth, and if there's anything he comes up with, he's not shy to make sure that we all know about it right away. So Larry's still there. He didn't go anywhere.

Speaker 3:
[70:53] Dude, we mentioned you worked for AP at Star. You won some titles there. You survived Eleven 10. Billy, congratulations on that. Have you ever heard these some of the Eleven 10 stories, Muto?

Speaker 4:
[71:02] I have.

Speaker 3:
[71:03] It's phenomenal.

Speaker 4:
[71:04] They were rocket ships while they lasted.

Speaker 3:
[71:06] Nate, Billy, Phil, Troll, Yeah, those are black box fan, Iron Man stories, dude.

Speaker 2:
[71:14] Rough days, dude. Rough days.

Speaker 3:
[71:15] The guy, the team owner passed out by the dino.

Speaker 4:
[71:18] You need to have a podcast or someone with all of them on, and it's just Eleven 10 stories.

Speaker 3:
[71:22] I did a story on it on RacerX, and I got in trouble for it.

Speaker 4:
[71:25] Years ago, right?

Speaker 3:
[71:25] Yes, years ago. I did a story, like a written oral history, and the stories are fucking phenomenal. Check it out on RacerX. But Billy survived it. Hey, so working for Ken, he's barely touched his bike. Mark Johnson's there has done a great job. Suspension wise, Jamie twisted, great job. Motor wise, he seems so happy. The bike's flawless. You guys are just clicking right now. Is it really that easy, Billy? Like, no stress about setup, no stress about the bike?

Speaker 2:
[71:58] This year really has been that way. It's just been a good mentality all year, all season. It's everything's just been very, like mentality wise, it's just been consistent, you know? Every time we get down to the gate, we're just trying to keep things light and have fun. And the best thing is, it's like I've never heard a rider that comes off the track and says how much he enjoys riding his motorcycle every time he gets off the track. Like, that's the coolest thing.

Speaker 3:
[72:29] Was the angry she saw him at Seattle? Was that the worst?

Speaker 2:
[72:34] Maybe it might have been the worst, yeah. That's right, that's probably the worst of the season. But even that, it didn't last very long.

Speaker 3:
[72:41] Yeah. No, listen, I mean, I asked him what the championships in some pro race interview a couple weeks ago or whatever, and he was just like, honestly, I'm so fortunate. I'm taking it race by race. We're in this thing. It's so cool. And I believe him, Billy. I believe him. Like, he is playing with house money almost, right?

Speaker 4:
[72:57] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[72:58] You know?

Speaker 4:
[73:00] There was a video from right after, I think it was like three weeks ago, like not this past win, but the one before that where he's like, he couldn't believe it. He said something like that. Billy's like, we better start fucking believe in it because you're like, I forgot the interaction exactly what you said, but I was like, oh, hell yeah. Like Billy's like locked in right now. He's like, dude, you are the man. We got to go.

Speaker 3:
[73:20] Yeah. What's it like working for him? And obviously Courtney is a big part of that and everything else. Like how's he just personally to talk to, communicate, treat you and all that stuff?

Speaker 2:
[73:31] Ken's awesome. He's great. He's like, they're super, they're super good. You know, they take care of their people very, very well. And like, you know, they're always super supportive and everything. And I really enjoy working for Ken. You know, it's very, it's very, it's very rewarding too. I mean, just, just, you know, working for a guy like that has been through as much as he has. And, and being able to get out there and, you know, put the bike on top step of the podium is freaking, that's, that's, it's, it's awesome.

Speaker 3:
[74:02] People don't know, you walked away from wrenching for a little bit. You were done.

Speaker 2:
[74:06] I did. Yeah. I, I quit. I was done, I think, took two years off, I think. Yeah, I opened up my own shop in San Angelo and I still, I, that's, you know, working for pipes is great, but I torture myself because I run a shop during the week. So I get straight off the plane, go to work and wrap up shop Wednesday night and fly off Thursday morning.

Speaker 3:
[74:26] Yeah, dude, it's just, yeah, it's crazy that you were done that. And then you get this call, you're done, you hung up the wrenches and then you get this call and you're fucking winning super cross races, man. Like, it's, you gotta be like, what just happened?

Speaker 4:
[74:38] You think any other name besides Ken Roczen was gonna pull Billy back into the trenches?

Speaker 3:
[74:43] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[74:44] Like, yeah, let me go do that again.

Speaker 2:
[74:46] And I've said that and I've told people that before too. Like, you know, I was, I was kind of pretty much done with it then and it was gonna take like something special to bring it back. Like, I'm not gonna come back for, you know, just to ride around out there. It's way too much work.

Speaker 3:
[75:01] Yeah. No, listen, yeah, if working for Ken, it's great. And then also, like, summer's off.

Speaker 4:
[75:06] Yeah. You know, Dustin's like $100,000 a year, Supercross only.

Speaker 3:
[75:12] Yep.

Speaker 4:
[75:12] And there's Ken Roczen too. He's like, fucking buy the ticket.

Speaker 3:
[75:16] And I think, I think he's out of WSX this year, Billy. So I don't know if that travel was killing you or if you really enjoyed that, but I don't think he's going back.

Speaker 6:
[75:22] So, you know, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's not bad.

Speaker 2:
[75:26] Some of the places we went to are pretty cool, but I mean, at the same time, it just, you know, I don't know, things getting crazy out there a little bit, some places.

Speaker 4:
[75:34] So did you guys get to go there a day early? So you can actually check stuff out. Cause like for me, when I, the time I did World Supercross, it was like, you fly in and then it's basically like that first day you get to kind of check it out, but you're just like trying to stay awake to get on the time schedule. Then you're into it. And then you're out.

Speaker 3:
[75:52] You're out, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[75:53] No, that's the way it was for us too. We didn't really take any extra days. I think they might have, I think they stayed behind in between a race last year and went to Bali or something like that. But I didn't end up going on that trip.

Speaker 3:
[76:09] You didn't go to the Sharks? You didn't go to the Sharks?

Speaker 2:
[76:12] No, I didn't do the Sharks either. No, no, I didn't have to go to South Africa. I got out of that.

Speaker 3:
[76:15] Oh, that's right. That's right. He didn't even race. Duh. Sorry. Hey, by the way, how's pipes per diem? Just so if I do come back, Wrench, do we got the good per diem? What are we doing for that?

Speaker 2:
[76:25] It's solid. It's solid. Just make sure if you want to go to dinner, just go with Aaron.

Speaker 3:
[76:29] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[76:29] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[76:30] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[76:30] Good idea. Yeah. I'm sure he's going to good places.

Speaker 4:
[76:33] That's a veteran mechanic move right there.

Speaker 3:
[76:34] Aaron, where are we going, bro? Hey, at Yamaha, we got 30 bucks a meal. So 30 bucks breakfast, lunch and dinner. Gothic J, I don't know if you guys remember, Josh Gothic.

Speaker 4:
[76:44] I know the name, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[76:45] Gothic wouldn't eat. He'd eat the truck for lunch. He wouldn't eat breakfast. But then you can roll over the third. So then he'd get a $90 dinner. Gothic was loving it. You go get $90 with a sushi, so.

Speaker 4:
[76:56] That's worth it.

Speaker 2:
[76:57] Yeah. It works out.

Speaker 3:
[76:58] Yeah. It's not so bad. Well, listen, yeah. You tell those guys, if there's an opening, I may come back. We'll save it for you. Listen, Billy, you don't have a button to pop your seat off. So there is that.

Speaker 4:
[77:12] He's a beta guy.

Speaker 3:
[77:14] How is he a beta guy?

Speaker 4:
[77:15] Billy, tell him man, Billy. Wait, what?

Speaker 6:
[77:18] I do sell betas from my shop.

Speaker 3:
[77:20] Oh, Billy's a beta guy.

Speaker 4:
[77:22] Why do you think I like him?

Speaker 6:
[77:23] That's my guy.

Speaker 3:
[77:24] Dude, I did not know this. Yeah, we're a beta dealer.

Speaker 4:
[77:29] Fucking roots run deep, dude. Me and Billy at the race, it's just like two of my guys.

Speaker 3:
[77:33] Billy can walk over and be like, hey man, I got a customer and he's got this fucking ECU issue.

Speaker 4:
[77:37] Dude, he's trying to be like, hey, you got an extra harness laying around. Just let me know.

Speaker 3:
[77:41] I did.

Speaker 2:
[77:42] I did try.

Speaker 3:
[77:43] That's hilarious. What I was going to say is, you don't have a button to pop your seat off, but what's the best thing about working on a Suzuki and the worst thing?

Speaker 2:
[77:55] The worst thing about working on a Suzuki is that the ECU is in the middle of the motorcycle.

Speaker 3:
[78:01] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[78:02] First thing that popped in my brain.

Speaker 1:
[78:03] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[78:03] That is for sure the worst thing about a Suzuki. But best thing is, gosh, everything else about it, it's the easiest bike to work on.

Speaker 3:
[78:13] Is it really? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[78:15] Yeah. It's so simple. Wiring harness is super short. Like, there's nothing to it.

Speaker 3:
[78:19] And then the motor just lift up, twist out, right? None of this fucking weirdo shit, right?

Speaker 2:
[78:24] Every bit of it, just pretty easy.

Speaker 3:
[78:27] The Yamaha shock thing is cool, though. So you pop the gas tank off, easy. Two bolts, shock comes up from the top.

Speaker 4:
[78:32] That's nice.

Speaker 2:
[78:33] I will say 2017-18 Yamaha two videos, those might have been even easier.

Speaker 4:
[78:38] Oh really?

Speaker 3:
[78:38] Yeah, yeah. Billy Hartle here, brought to you by Renthal, renthal.com. One point out of this thing, Billy, that's cool, man. Like, the stadium in Cleveland was going nuts. The wheelie, Muto brought up the wheelie at the end.

Speaker 4:
[78:51] I have it written down to bring up.

Speaker 3:
[78:53] Pretty sick, dude. That third one, he came in, tied with Jacob and that third one, Ken Roczen was like, yeah, man. No, no, no. Great.

Speaker 2:
[79:03] Yeah, that was super fun to hear the crowd, both first lap and last lap. Just to hear him all the way around the track was pretty cool. But yeah, no, Ken's just done a really good job of managing his races lately. I mean, he gets down there and knows what he needs to do and you know, takes advantage when he needs to and settles in when he needs to. You know, he's not really taking any huge risks that he doesn't need to and just getting the job done.

Speaker 3:
[79:32] I can imagine you guys on the radio, like Pipes is in the press box sometimes, he's got a radio on and Larry before that or whatever. I can imagine there must be like, ah, Ken's P12 off his first turn. And then it's like, holy shit, Ken's P3. Yeah, like that dude could make it happen, Billy, the first lap.

Speaker 2:
[79:52] Oh, it happens all the time. Yeah, he's like, well, yeah, whatever, P8, nine, whatever in the first turn. And then by the end of the first lap, he was P2. And we're like, how the hell did he do that? Like, where did he do that?

Speaker 4:
[80:04] Yeah, I forgot what Mayna was. The same thing. I'm like, I saw him and Colt were kind of near each other. And then like off the stars, a bad start. And then I'm like, see the next shot. I'm like, what the fuck just happened? Colt's still like had a bad start. Ken's like third. I'm like, what?

Speaker 2:
[80:18] It's insane. It's crazy. It's the craziest thing ever.

Speaker 4:
[80:20] This rolls the dice.

Speaker 3:
[80:22] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[80:22] The first 50 meters of the trace, right?

Speaker 3:
[80:24] Billy, I think when I was talking to you before, you went to MMI, right? Did you go to Scotty Atkins or did you go to MMI?

Speaker 2:
[80:30] No, I went to MMI in Phoenix, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[80:32] Right. I think I had talked to you before in an interview for RacerX and you mentioned that. Doing it again, looking back on it, would you not go to MMI to break in as a mechanic? Would you go to Scotty Atkins School? Would you team up with a privateer or do you like the way you did it?

Speaker 2:
[80:49] Yeah. I mean, MMI really didn't do anything for me as far as getting into the Supercross thing. Originally, I went there because they used to do their internship with the BTO team, I think. Oh, that's right.

Speaker 3:
[81:03] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[81:03] Yeah. So I was like, I want to go there so that way I can get my foot in the door. I can go work with the team and all that. But they quit doing that, I think, the year before I went there.

Speaker 3:
[81:14] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[81:15] So yeah. So that kind of sucked. But yeah, I mean, I got lucky being good friends with Dylan Fosser, and he was who got me into Eleven 10. So that's what started my career. But yeah, I mean, definitely teams like Scotty's program is not a bad way to go. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[81:38] I get questions about that right from the races. People know I used to be a mechanic, and they'll be like, did I go MMI? And I'm always like, no, man, it's expensive. It's more dealership stuff. Scotty's graduated a lot of guys. I think Christian at HRC is from Scotty.

Speaker 4:
[81:51] Yeah, same with Roger D's mechanic. If you go there and work hard, I think I said this last time too, you will come out of there good, because he's even said he knows who his good guys are. He's not just going to throw anyone to any team.

Speaker 3:
[82:02] He's placed a lot of guys. So it is one of those things. But also if you survive Eleven 10, dude, you're good for one.

Speaker 4:
[82:08] You can make it.

Speaker 3:
[82:09] You can make it anywhere. My first year was PJ won Extreme Team in 96. And we were sleeping on couches because the credit card didn't work. And we were sleeping in the trailer and all of that. But what I had to do, I was making $300 a week. But what I had to do was nothing compared to what Nate and Billy and these dudes at Eleven 10 had to do.

Speaker 4:
[82:27] How many agent swaps?

Speaker 3:
[82:29] And not only that, they wouldn't leave. They'd have to drive across the country and leave like Thursday morning. The planning wasn't planned out over at Eleven 10.

Speaker 2:
[82:39] You know what, though? I went through all that and it was rough, dude. But honestly, if it wasn't for those experiences, I don't know if I would be what I am right now. That stuff really taught me a lot. And we did everything there, like everything, from top to bottom. Whatever was on that motorcycle, we made it and we did it.

Speaker 3:
[83:01] Yeah, no, you're right. All of that gets you the work ethic, gets you grinding, gets you improvising stuff. You're absolutely right. I look back at some of my stuff too and I'm like, I slept at a race shop on an air mattress for a while because I had nowhere to stay. And I would just tinker with the bike all night because I was bored as shit.

Speaker 4:
[83:19] It's like in hindsight, I don't want to do that again. But while you're doing it, you look back on some memories and you're like, that was sick. We did that.

Speaker 3:
[83:26] Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And dude, you look at Durham, Phil, Troll, they all had rides on Eleven 10 that were way better than what they should have.

Speaker 4:
[83:34] Yeah, Durham and Izzy, what was it, like High Point or something, but one, two?

Speaker 3:
[83:37] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[83:38] Sick.

Speaker 3:
[83:38] No, there was definitely some rides. So like you said, Billy, it's all part of it, right? So okay. What's the plan for summer then? You're just going to hang out? Do you have any things to do? You're going to go out with the team at all? Does your contract end at the after Salt Lake? How does that co-sort of work for you, Billy?

Speaker 5:
[83:55] So I mean, there's not really...

Speaker 2:
[83:58] I mean, nothing's really set in stone. I mean, it's just kind of... kind of just on call kind of sort of, especially because Ken, you never know what he's going to do. He might get bored and decide like, hey, I want to go race or race. So you just got to be ready to go whenever. But yeah, just try to get a little family time in.

Speaker 3:
[84:19] But you're not going to, they're doing some nationals. I think Pypes is being weird about it. I don't really know what's going on as far as the national plan. I think you're doing some, but you don't need to go and help or anything.

Speaker 2:
[84:32] No, most of the time no, not unless they're shorthanded for some sort of reason, but unless of Ken's racing, most of the time no. It's pretty awesome because they know like, I got my business going on too and all that kind of stuff, and they're super supportive of that as well. So it's pretty cool.

Speaker 3:
[84:50] So is this like you sell betas, you got an aftermarket store, you do service? Like what are we talking here? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[84:57] Yeah, so I sell betas, I do suspension work out of there, I do engine work. We work on street bikes even too. I do side by sides, ATVs. We literally do just about everything.

Speaker 4:
[85:11] I need to go back and check those beta number sales when I get back to pass out. We might need to get those numbers out, Billy. I'm going to review the tape.

Speaker 3:
[85:19] Ask Tim if we're getting those betas going. Do we get the 352 stroke in some order, Billy? Do we get some of those?

Speaker 6:
[85:25] I didn't even have a chance.

Speaker 2:
[85:26] Dude, those things sold out so fast.

Speaker 4:
[85:29] Yeah, they are in and out.

Speaker 3:
[85:31] Yeah, but you can't get Billy one? Like we can't.

Speaker 4:
[85:34] They literally, they come off the boat, they come to our shop, they are gone. Like if you go to our shop, there is zero 350 just sitting around.

Speaker 3:
[85:43] Yeah, but why doesn't Billy, the loyal beta guy get to sell 135?

Speaker 4:
[85:46] I got to check the number, Steve.

Speaker 3:
[85:47] Okay, man. All right, hey, before we let you go, Billy, by the way, have you even thought about winning this thing and how fucking cool that would be, Billy?

Speaker 4:
[85:55] Dude, you need to stop talking about it, man. Are you even thinking about that?

Speaker 3:
[85:58] Like, dude.

Speaker 2:
[86:00] Not really, not yet. I mean, it would be cool. It would be freaking a story for sure, but yeah, we are just not there yet.

Speaker 3:
[86:07] No, that's true. All right, before we let you go, we want to get on our next guest here because you guys survived Eleven 10 together. Phil Nicoletti.

Speaker 6:
[86:16] Hey, fellas.

Speaker 3:
[86:17] What was Billy Hartle like? What was a young Billy Hartle like at Eleven 10, Phil?

Speaker 6:
[86:22] What's up, Bill? dude. Honestly, when Billy, he's just like a blue-collar dude. Knew everything about dirt, like, yeah, he knew dirt bikes, but he knew a lot about a lot of other stuff. He wasn't just a change in plastics type of guy, you know? So which is actually really cool, but fuck, he was a grinder, Jesus. Yeah, he was, and Billy never complained either.

Speaker 3:
[86:49] Good job, Billy, you never complained.

Speaker 4:
[86:51] He was a good old hardworking boy.

Speaker 3:
[86:53] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[86:54] No, I'm serious, like, he really was. Like, again, he just did it because he loved it. Probably wasn't hardly any fucking pain, just like any of us that were there, but he did it for the love of it, and, fuck, now look at him.

Speaker 3:
[87:07] Yeah, dude, Ken Roczen's a mechanic.

Speaker 6:
[87:09] I know, Kenny's guy was out of it for a little bit, came back for just a weekend warrior type thing, and now, he could potentially, high chance, be a Supercrush Championship mechanic.

Speaker 3:
[87:21] So, Billy, for the story, Phil has mentioned this a few times on the shows over the years, and for the story, it seems like, correct me if I'm wrong, Phil or Billy, I'll let you start, correct me if I'm wrong, but the most thing at Eleven 10 was the trip to Redbud where you guys drove all night and both bikes blew up right away?

Speaker 6:
[87:38] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[87:39] Billy?

Speaker 2:
[87:40] That one was pretty rough, but also I will say, Millville might be worse because I was the only one that ended up there, then I think Phil had...

Speaker 4:
[87:51] You're the only mechanic there?

Speaker 6:
[87:53] Yes, my mechanic. And then Phil had issues.

Speaker 3:
[87:57] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[87:58] And then I had to pick and choose whether if I... Do I just freaking just send Alex, just go? And try to help Bill get a motor in before motor one? Or what do I do?

Speaker 3:
[88:08] Oh, so Phil blew up, Phil, you blew up, and then you had to change your motor?

Speaker 6:
[88:13] Yeah, so it's me. Obviously, my mechanic just didn't want to go that weekend, never showed up the rest of the year, and Billy was out to the guy, and yeah, I had some issue. I don't know if it was a motor issue or what, but I just told Billy, I said, just fucking go in the next year. I'll be all right. I didn't make the moto.

Speaker 3:
[88:33] Oh, you didn't? You didn't make the moto?

Speaker 6:
[88:35] No, I didn't make the moto. But yeah, Redbud was a tough one too, because we took Alex's van, and John Alex's dime. That's right. We paid no money. And then we swiped Alex's car the whole way to fucking Redbud, and then we fucking both blew up.

Speaker 3:
[88:54] Phil, you told the story. Billy, do you remember Phil blowing up, but he got his bike rolling through the pits as it blew up or something, and he's rolling it to the van?

Speaker 6:
[89:03] That was Bud's Creek.

Speaker 3:
[89:04] Oh, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[89:08] Oh my God. There's so many of those old stories. I forget about some of them so much, but man, that was, yeah, tons.

Speaker 3:
[89:15] But at Redbud, did you guys make either moto, or did they blow up in the morning, and that was it?

Speaker 6:
[89:21] That was it. We didn't, I didn't, I for sure did not race Redbud at all. I can't remember.

Speaker 2:
[89:26] I don't think either of us. I don't think we did.

Speaker 6:
[89:29] I don't think so.

Speaker 3:
[89:30] So, Amart's credit card the whole way, his van the whole way, bikes blow up, no motos.

Speaker 6:
[89:37] No, nothing. Nope.

Speaker 4:
[89:40] That's so true.

Speaker 3:
[89:41] Eleven 10 mods, everyone.

Speaker 6:
[89:43] Yeah, and we checked the bike with no graphics. One of them didn't have an engine. That year, I missed High Point National because I didn't get my bike tech soon enough. Tully's just like, hey man, you got to be here at 7 a.m. Saturday morning to tech it. I don't want to show it up.

Speaker 2:
[90:02] Sometimes the AMA truck and Tully just looking at us like, what are you doing?

Speaker 3:
[90:07] Billy, does Tully remember you from Eleven 10? Like does he just ever be like, at least your bike is tech now, Billy?

Speaker 4:
[90:13] You made it, kid.

Speaker 2:
[90:14] I don't know.

Speaker 6:
[90:15] He's never said anything about it, so I'm not sure, but yeah. No. Tully definitely doesn't remember. He probably, every time he'd come up to you, he'd probably just try and forget who you are, to be honest with you. Seriously, I try checking my number with duct tape numbers. I didn't have to graph it.

Speaker 4:
[90:34] Didn't they forget to sign you up at one race too, Phil?

Speaker 6:
[90:38] Well, that was, yes, high point. And he said, okay, well, they signed me up, but then he's just like, hey, you need to be here Saturday morning, 7 a.m. to tech your bike. And if you're not, you're not racing. Well, the box fan came rolling in at 7.45 until he laid down the law and said, sorry, dude, you ain't racing. And I'm like, fuck, man. Yeah. So he stuck to his guns. But don't worry, Billy and Alex had a banger day that day. So it was good. I watched from the sidelines.

Speaker 3:
[91:11] Good times. Good times at 1110 with you guys. You guys survived. Nate too. Nate survived too. Nate was sleeping half the time, but he made it.

Speaker 6:
[91:20] Yeah. I mean, Billy is just a miracle, you know? He's a fucking miracle. So, yeah. Supercross Champ, let's bring it home, Bill.

Speaker 3:
[91:30] Let's say. No, he's not counting on that.

Speaker 6:
[91:34] It's hard because I like Billy and I like Christian, so it's just like, fuck.

Speaker 3:
[91:37] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[91:38] Oh, no, it's not Christian. It's Cam.

Speaker 3:
[91:39] Cam.

Speaker 4:
[91:40] Yeah. Cam is a really good guy, too.

Speaker 6:
[91:42] Yeah, I like Cam, too, you know, so, That's what happens when you sometimes are all the mechanics.

Speaker 3:
[91:47] I know, right?

Speaker 6:
[91:48] It's just like, that's tough.

Speaker 3:
[91:50] And if it was Christian and Jet, you're like, ah, they've won enough.

Speaker 4:
[91:53] Yeah, them. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3:
[91:55] Fuck them, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[91:56] Think about all the things we've been through, Phil. Come on.

Speaker 6:
[91:58] Yeah. I know. That's true. No, you've been through it, Bill. There's no doubt about it. You've been through a lot of guys, and you had a good career, though. It's crazy to think about.

Speaker 3:
[92:09] Did you know he's a beta dealer in Texas, Phil?

Speaker 6:
[92:13] I knew he had a dealership type thing in Texas. I didn't know he, Muto, suckered him into selling betas, though. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[92:20] That's right, baby. I know if it me and Billy are in a title hunt, I know what side Phil's on. It ain't going to be on my side.

Speaker 3:
[92:27] He fucking hates me.

Speaker 4:
[92:30] Go get him, Billy. Fuck that Muto guy.

Speaker 3:
[92:32] All your shit you talked about, the two-stroke nationals.

Speaker 4:
[92:34] He's coming back. He's pimp-boring out of the way. He's a pussy.

Speaker 3:
[92:37] Your two-stroke national talk really came back to bite you, man. Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[92:40] No. We'll get into that.

Speaker 3:
[92:43] Hey, Billy, congrats on the success, man. Cleveland was super awesome. And I think he's won three out of four. Ken has. It's really cool. Four wins on the year. Eli four wins, Hunter four wins, Kenny four wins. Three rounds to go. Should be awesome, man.

Speaker 6:
[92:58] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[93:00] Thanks for the time tonight, Billy. Appreciate it, man.

Speaker 6:
[93:02] Absolutely. Thank you for having me on. All right.

Speaker 3:
[93:03] We'll see you.

Speaker 4:
[93:04] Here we go. Here we go. All right.

Speaker 3:
[93:06] See you.

Speaker 2:
[93:06] Later.

Speaker 4:
[93:10] Did you hang up on Phil?

Speaker 3:
[93:11] Wait.

Speaker 6:
[93:12] Nope. I'm here.

Speaker 3:
[93:12] Okay. I thought I hung up. Phil Nicoletti brought to you by Luxon, LuxonMXcom. Pulp 2026, the code to save with Luxon. ClubMX. Man, Simonson in shock. There is some extra spice when they are out there with their Luxon ClubMX bikes. Cody is not stoked. I don't think that Devin is possibly having better results.

Speaker 4:
[93:35] They act like there's not some beef there.

Speaker 3:
[93:38] I think they're buddies. I really do. They were talking after the race, but I don't think Cody's like, like, I'm this fucking kid.

Speaker 4:
[93:44] Yeah. This is my fucking team. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[93:46] Do you know what I mean? Phil, are you with me?

Speaker 6:
[93:49] Yeah. I mean, I would be like that. You know what I mean? But I wouldn't see obviously race Alex. The world is rough is what I think they do together. I mean, they kind of do when they get around each other, they're like, fucking okay.

Speaker 4:
[94:05] You want to try to kill Alex off the face of a triple?

Speaker 6:
[94:07] Yeah. No, exactly my point. But yeah, those two get next to each other. It's just like, all right, are we kind of friends or we are mortal enemies here? And all like panic reps start coming up in the whole nine. And I'm just like, Jesus. But listen, every man for themselves. Dog eat fucking dog.

Speaker 3:
[94:25] Yeah, it's racing. It's professional racing.

Speaker 6:
[94:27] It's racing. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[94:27] Got a little club that makes Battle Box on the broadcast.

Speaker 6:
[94:30] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[94:31] Oh, yeah. It's been good, though. Yeah, good to see those guys going at it, for sure. And obviously, Devin had a big one, dude. Oh, he had a big one.

Speaker 6:
[94:39] Yeah, he did. And to be honest with you, shocks could have been.

Speaker 3:
[94:43] Oh, yeah. Shock came six inches from doing the same thing.

Speaker 6:
[94:47] Yeah, exactly. How he got away from it the way he did, he needs to thank baby Jesus because he would have been crunched into the next face of the jump. So he got lucky as well.

Speaker 3:
[94:58] Hey, to me, Phil, watching the race back a little bit and they did focus on Hunter. I saw Hunter once he didn't get the start, I saw Hunter riding to not fuck up out there and cost him like to me, a little timid, not the Hunter we're used to seeing. Obviously, he's not start dependent. He's ripped through the pack before. So it's not like a, he's not a start dependent guy, but it is easier, obviously. But I saw a guy that was really timid and then that's when the mistakes happened.

Speaker 6:
[95:26] Yeah, I thought so too. I don't know what the, really what the cause of that was. So was it some sort of goggles or like, I don't know, he just didn't look like he was spot on, but then when the mistakes started rolling. But also I wondered like, okay, he had two good mains, they were kind of okay. Cause you know how the triple count is with the Olympic scoring. He could have finished fifth or sixth and still finish, I don't know, third or fourth maybe and been okay. So I don't know if maybe he had that in the back of his mind. I'm not sure, but yeah, a couple of mistakes cost him pretty big.

Speaker 4:
[96:05] Yeah, the last one got him too. Because then the bike got hit again and then even more people went by.

Speaker 3:
[96:10] Yeah. Not a good weekend. One point, Philip, one point. This bitch is cool.

Speaker 6:
[96:16] Yeah, no, I think it's good. But I do think Hunter's good at kind of just blocking it out and then like, hey, that's just what I was done with that weekend on to Philly. Yeah. Because I mean, his first moto, he did have Kenny right behind him and he yanked Ken. So Kenny's normally pretty good on those, especially the first triple crown when it's a little smoother and faster, like Kenny fucking shreds in the first motos. And for Hunter to be able to guard him like that, it must have felt pretty good.

Speaker 3:
[96:48] Yeah. I'm with you. I think going into Philly, like we may get some weather this weekend, who knows? I like, you know how fans are, they swing and sway with the results. And so I got DM saying Hunter's cracking and it's over and Kenny's... No, man, Hunter's a champion. Like this Philadelphia is a brand new day. Yeah, like Hunter's not going to be like, oh, fuck, I crashed it in Cleveland. Like, no, no, man.

Speaker 4:
[97:15] I think they're both same mindset, too. You're like watching the same mindset compete against each other. Like Ken's not going to be like too high. Yeah, you know, he's going to be ready to go. Hunter's not going to drag the low into Philly.

Speaker 6:
[97:25] No, yeah. It's just like, you know, even if you're just a normal fan, if you just look at the past two weeks, there's been 20 points that have been given up from each rider. This weekend was 10 points. Weekend before that, Hunter gained back 10 points on Kenny. So there was like a 20 point swing total between the riders. You know what I'm saying? This coming weekend could be the same fucking thing.

Speaker 3:
[97:47] Yeah. Eli Tomax, Eli Tomax crash. What'd you make of that, Phil? I actually, I watched it right in front of me. You watched the whole segment. Like I just happened to be watching him qualifying. When he went down, I'm like, oh, okay. Like did not think it was going to be that serious. Did not.

Speaker 6:
[98:02] I didn't think so. I did not think so either. I'm like, okay, yes. And it's bad because, you know, we're dirt bike racers, but like you can rate the crashes, but you can never really rate like how the actual impact was. But I mean, for the crash type, it really wasn't that bad. But then again, who knows? He's one, he has a bad thumb. Two, his shoulders are not the greatest. So who knows? Maybe he fucking smashed one of them or whatever. I don't know what the injury was that caused him to be out because his hip or whatever.

Speaker 3:
[98:33] Yeah. They said hip. I heard he went to the hospital for a hip thing later than the day. But then when he got up, it was obvious that shoulder slash arm to me. So when I saw the PR said hip, I'm like, wait, hip? He couldn't even move the arm.

Speaker 6:
[98:47] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[98:48] Nothing's coming out of that camp. We are not going to know what's going on with that.

Speaker 6:
[98:52] No. I mean, bummed he didn't sit on the floor with him back. He could probably figure it out.

Speaker 3:
[98:58] I got a Frontier Direct. I didn't see him on that one. I didn't see him on the Frontier plane at all.

Speaker 6:
[99:06] Bummer.

Speaker 3:
[99:07] To hear more of the story, listen to LVK Show. Phil was a guest for Show 100 today with Kellan and Lewis.

Speaker 5:
[99:13] So LVK.

Speaker 4:
[99:15] I haven't listened to a second of them.

Speaker 3:
[99:17] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[99:17] All right. I do like Kellan though.

Speaker 3:
[99:20] You do like Kellan?

Speaker 4:
[99:21] I like Kellan. He's a good guy.

Speaker 3:
[99:22] Lewis is anti-beta.

Speaker 4:
[99:24] I'm anti-Lewis. I'm out.

Speaker 3:
[99:25] Okay.

Speaker 6:
[99:26] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[99:28] LocksOnMXcom, Pulp 2026, bringing you Phil Nicoletti. There's some beta Lewis thing and I don't know why. I don't know what happened, but now you guys are literally like you're sitting next to each other and you're not talking just like I was this weekend. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[99:43] I'm out.

Speaker 6:
[99:44] It happens.

Speaker 4:
[99:45] Yeah. You don't got to like everybody.

Speaker 3:
[99:47] No, you don't. No, I can vouch for that. You do not like everybody. That's for sure.

Speaker 6:
[99:53] I didn't like Lewis either for a while, so don't feel bad.

Speaker 4:
[99:57] So you're saying there's a chance.

Speaker 6:
[99:58] There's a chance.

Speaker 3:
[99:59] Muto, in another life, you and Lewis will be drinking tea and eating.

Speaker 4:
[100:05] I was going to say that. Oh my God.

Speaker 3:
[100:08] Hey, Cooper Webb. He was good. Phil, obviously you weren't there this weekend, but I'm telling you, watching Webb right from the first time he hit the track, he got the rhythms down right away. He was threeing right away before the double, the supercross double, quote unquote. Just right away to me, Coop looked spicy. Really, really good. With better starts, he could have won the thing.

Speaker 6:
[100:28] Yeah. I think that was maybe his best qualifying he's had in a few years. Both practices. Really?

Speaker 3:
[100:35] You think? Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 6:
[100:36] I don't know. Just the way the spunkiness was, the way he came out swinging, it looked like it was going to be his night. You know, he still had a phenomenal night, but his first main start was not ideal. And when that happens with those guys, it's game over. You start, you know, ninth or tenth, like it is so hard to work your way back up to third or fourth, which he did. But that I think that should have been a third place.

Speaker 3:
[101:06] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[101:07] You know, versus a fourth or whatever. But yeah, he had a little baby girl. So now he has three, three girls plus his wife. So he has four girls to pay bills for. Girls ain't cheap. So to start collecting some bonus money, three kids, three titles.

Speaker 4:
[101:26] I mean, I've seen a pattern here. Maybe they need it. We need a fourth kid coming in. We'll bring that fourth title home.

Speaker 3:
[101:32] I like JT's quote about a sorority on the broadcast.

Speaker 4:
[101:34] Yeah, that was funny.

Speaker 6:
[101:37] Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but Coop did look okay. Obviously Kenny got him. What main was that where he got him in the whoops? Coop tried to hold him off for a long time. I just couldn't withstand the pressure.

Speaker 3:
[101:48] Second one? I think second one.

Speaker 6:
[101:50] Yeah, maybe it was the second one. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, but I thought he did look really good though.

Speaker 3:
[101:56] I don't know what with Chase. He didn't qualify well again. He rode around in the first one. He got a garbage start. You're just like, okay, this is just gonna be a really bad day for Chase. And dude, until Jay Coupe made a move late in the third main, he was third overall. I don't know what happened with transfer of power. We make jokes about transfers of power. But Chase from main two and three, Chase was a different guy. It was odd to watch. He didn't, but again, I want to clarify, like he didn't look Chase Sexton-ish still.

Speaker 4:
[102:26] Yeah, aggressive.

Speaker 3:
[102:27] But he was putting laps in and moving forward.

Speaker 4:
[102:29] Yeah, just like, he was like a training consistency of 70%.

Speaker 3:
[102:33] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6:
[102:35] I mean, we did talk about it on the LVK show or whatever the fuck it is.

Speaker 3:
[102:40] That's the LVK show, is what it is.

Speaker 6:
[102:42] Yeah, yeah, OK. You know, Chase's starts were better in the second and third main, which helped a lot. His first motor start, he came around fucking buried in 17th again. So I'm not sure what happened between the second and third main, why he was so good versus the first one. But I think that helped a lot with his overall finish position. So yeah, he only had to pass two or three guys versus passing 12.

Speaker 3:
[103:10] Right, right. Yeah, he just, he looked a little bit like Nashville, where you're like, oh, that's just a solid guy moving forward, but there's no raw speed Chase Sexton.

Speaker 4:
[103:21] Not going to the front.

Speaker 3:
[103:23] No, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6:
[103:24] Yeah, but the driving through the transitions and stuff.

Speaker 3:
[103:27] Right, yep.

Speaker 6:
[103:28] So like really slam the bike into the faces isn't there yet. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know when that'll come. Maybe we don't see it in Supercross. Maybe it's just kind of.

Speaker 4:
[103:39] He fucking won. That's what's so weird.

Speaker 5:
[103:41] He won.

Speaker 4:
[103:43] It feels like a year ago, but before that, once the hat went backwards, last time he was on the podium, uh-oh, backwards hat gate.

Speaker 6:
[103:53] I don't know. I just, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[103:57] This was the first weekend. So after talking to a couple more people this weekend, and Phil, you talk to the same people I do. You know all this stuff as well as me. You might know more. This is the first weekend where I'm like, dude, he might get out of this deal.

Speaker 4:
[104:12] Dude.

Speaker 3:
[104:13] He might get out of this deal. This was the first time after hearing some stuff, I'm like, holy fuck, probably could have another guy checking out.

Speaker 4:
[104:21] Is he coming home?

Speaker 3:
[104:23] I don't think he's coming home, man. I don't think he's going there.

Speaker 4:
[104:26] Does he like Italian food? Shut the fuck up, Phil.

Speaker 3:
[104:34] Listen, man.

Speaker 6:
[104:35] As long as he doesn't have to ride a two-stroke, no problem.

Speaker 3:
[104:40] I'm just saying, like, this was the first time I just was like, wait, holy, he might be out. So we'll see. I'm not claiming it. I am not. I do not radio me. Do not say, you know, claiming this.

Speaker 4:
[104:52] But time stamp this one for maybe a freezing cold take.

Speaker 3:
[104:55] I just, I'm like, holy shit, it's that bad? He might want to get out.

Speaker 6:
[105:00] Wow. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[105:01] So, yeah, I hope not, man. Those guys are such good guys. It's like, you almost want that. Like, you almost root for them now too.

Speaker 3:
[105:07] Cause it's like, dude, Phil knows them well. All those, they're all working hard.

Speaker 6:
[105:11] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[105:11] Send Phil to Florida. Get him on the bike. He'll bring that magic setting.

Speaker 6:
[105:15] So Chiz couldn't fix it.

Speaker 2:
[105:17] Yeah, dude.

Speaker 3:
[105:21] I like Chiz. Listen, I like Chiz a lot. I haven't seen any tweets. I haven't seen tweets.

Speaker 6:
[105:29] I have a whole segue and everything. I'm just like, wow, this is bold stuff. You know, like, obviously I know Brock Tickle, great tester, good guy, rides all the time, knows the bike. But yeah, we're doing a segue on Chiz and Tess. I'm like, wait, what the hell is going on here?

Speaker 4:
[105:45] They did do that, didn't they?

Speaker 3:
[105:46] Yeah, they did.

Speaker 6:
[105:47] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[105:47] Oh no.

Speaker 6:
[105:50] I'm like, what? What?

Speaker 3:
[105:51] Yeah, I just haven't seen any stuff, at least I don't know how it's going.

Speaker 6:
[105:58] Yeah, it's been a head scratcher for me too. I can't go any further now.

Speaker 3:
[106:03] Phil Nicoletti brought you by the Luxon MX guys, Pulp 2026 code to save. All right, so this weekend we had Jelly, Josh Ellingson, Rock Solid Endurance, RS Endurance. He works for Jason Anderson over there at the Pipes team, or he was working for Jason and now he's still helping out, of course, and working for Bogle before Bogle went out. But we've been talking about this god damn VO2 max test for a while, and I did ditch him a couple of times, Jelly. I ditched him a couple of times, but we got it done this weekend. Jelly, welcome to the show, buddy.

Speaker 2:
[106:34] How's it going, boys?

Speaker 3:
[106:35] I just-

Speaker 6:
[106:36] Yeah, Jelly.

Speaker 3:
[106:38] Jelly, Phil is one of those guys. So we did the test, we'll get into it, all of that. Jelly gives me a number of what I scored. I go to my group text and goes, guys, this is what I got. And Jelly, I have to say, our friend Phil here, he called BS right from the start.

Speaker 2:
[106:59] They were not having it. We should revisit the scoreboard.

Speaker 3:
[107:03] Phil was all caps, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, on the group, like.

Speaker 4:
[107:07] The disrespect.

Speaker 6:
[107:10] So there was a few red flags where I'm like, wait a second, and then JB hits us with, I want to test on that fucking machine. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[107:20] JB was rushing over Jelly to do his. So we had a little miscommunication, but and Rarick also, Phil, Rarick was all over it, like no fucking way.

Speaker 5:
[107:30] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[107:31] But Jelly, we got it figured out though. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[107:35] Well, I mean, if they would have watched the performance that you put on for this test, it was believable.

Speaker 3:
[107:41] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[107:42] That's why we were all just like, yep, yeah, no problem.

Speaker 4:
[107:45] Steve is going into the deep end.

Speaker 2:
[107:48] He buried himself.

Speaker 3:
[107:50] Listen, it was not as bad as Phil and so many others sold me on. Like they talked about the mask you got to wear and how it's tough to breathe. And it is, it's a VO2 test, so it's measuring your oxygen. I didn't find it that uncomfortable. I didn't find it that weird.

Speaker 4:
[108:07] Maybe you didn't dig deep enough thing. Aren't you supposed to kill yourself on these things?

Speaker 3:
[108:12] I mean, yes. I feel like, I do feel like, Jelly, I could have gone a little, little touch harder. I didn't want to throw up though. Like Phil was telling me about throwing up and all of this. And I'm like, dude, I can't do that in front of these guys.

Speaker 6:
[108:27] So Jelly, what was total duration, how long was warm up and how long was the total effort of him actually digging?

Speaker 2:
[108:36] So he went, I don't have it in front of me for total duration, but it was a five minute warm up and then he went to 380. So it was probably like 15 minutes of digging.

Speaker 6:
[108:49] 15 minutes. And the increments went up what? Every minute it went up how many watts?

Speaker 2:
[108:55] 20 watts.

Speaker 6:
[108:56] 20 watts. Every minute it went up 20 watts?

Speaker 3:
[108:59] Every minute, yeah.

Speaker 6:
[109:00] Okay, okay. And he hit 380 before you failed?

Speaker 3:
[109:05] Yeah, before the cadence went down. So the VO2 was 44.1..1..1..1.

Speaker 4:
[109:13] Thank you.

Speaker 3:
[109:15] And according to the Internet chart, that it's kind of all over the place, but according to the Internet chart, for my age, if I had done a 45, that would have been like the best. Like anything above 45 is just like excellent.

Speaker 4:
[109:28] 44 has got to be solid for your age group.

Speaker 6:
[109:30] It is. It is.

Speaker 3:
[109:31] It is.

Speaker 2:
[109:32] It's excellent.

Speaker 3:
[109:33] Yeah, it is excellent. The original number that Jelly gave me was 55.

Speaker 2:
[109:38] If Steve weighed in at 190, we were rolling out of there with a 55.

Speaker 3:
[109:44] Yeah, if I weighed 190.

Speaker 4:
[109:46] We'll get there.

Speaker 3:
[109:47] So FTP was 262, right Jelly?

Speaker 2:
[109:51] Yep.

Speaker 3:
[109:51] And then 381 watts, 381, not 380, and then yeah, 44 VO2. So I think I passed. I think I did well. Jelly? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[110:03] Tell him your peak heart rate. Don't forget that.

Speaker 3:
[110:05] Oh, what was it?

Speaker 2:
[110:06] 173.

Speaker 3:
[110:07] 173. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[110:08] There we go. We'll take it. My garment tells him, my garment, my cycling VO2 from what the watch says is 45, and garment tells me I'm the fucking man every time I look at it.

Speaker 2:
[110:17] So my garment says rest.

Speaker 3:
[110:22] My VO2 on my garment says 39. So it wasn't far off. 44 is when it tested. My garment's in 39. So it wasn't bad. But yeah, Jelly, it was cool to you to do that. Thank you, man. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2:
[110:34] So, yeah, no, it was awesome. You did great. Honestly, like watching, there was no like, like you push to the end and then we're just done. It wasn't floppy. You were holding your own. It was a solid test.

Speaker 3:
[110:49] I asked Jelly if I could put headphones on because I need some music, because I bicycle with music all the time. And he was like, all right, okay. So he allowed me to put the music on. So that helped a little bit.

Speaker 4:
[110:57] A little performance in answer.

Speaker 3:
[110:58] A little Van Halen, dig deep.

Speaker 6:
[111:03] No, I thought it was good, Steve. I figured you'd be, I said, 43 to 46.

Speaker 3:
[111:09] Oh, you did? Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[111:11] And 44 is pretty spot on. Listen, I went biking with you. It's not like you're not unfit by any means. You know, like, yeah, okay, use an e-bike, but you still fucking dig riding the e-bike on eco and shit. You know what I'm saying? So, like, it's all relative. Ah, I thought you fucking crushed it. Crushed it. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[111:32] I mean, if you would have watched it, I know this is being serious. If you would have watched, you're like, fuck, okay. And like, I'm following the heart rate as we're going. And like, he, like, it's pretty low, like for majority of the tests. And you're like, fuck, all right, when's the fucking intensity gonna kick in? But he was just fucking motoring right along.

Speaker 6:
[111:52] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[111:52] You know what I would have... Okay, go ahead, Phil.

Speaker 6:
[111:54] Have you ever wore your heart rate monitor on your dirt bike, Steven?

Speaker 3:
[111:58] Yes, yes.

Speaker 6:
[112:00] What's your max on the dirt bike?

Speaker 3:
[112:01] Oh my God, it's like 179, 177.

Speaker 6:
[112:04] Yeah, I'm just dying. Yeah, I'm the same. Yeah, I fail about 10 beats lower on a bicycle than I do on a motorbike.

Speaker 3:
[112:12] When I come in from a moto, like I get it, my Loretta Lynn's area qualifier is 10 minutes, 11 minutes at Glen Ellyn. I get it. This is what I'm telling Strava, by the way. Fuck you, Strava, because my heart rate's 160 average. My bike rides are 130 average. And yes, it's only 10 minutes, but I come in and Strava is like, yeah, you got a five. Your scores are fast. Yeah. Like your exercise ranking. I'm like, really guy? Cause I'm dying. Yeah. You know?

Speaker 6:
[112:38] Yeah, it can't really, it doesn't really register like RPE, you know?

Speaker 3:
[112:42] Right.

Speaker 6:
[112:43] It's kind of hard on a dirt bike. So that's not really doesn't fucking correlate. But yeah, that's a, yeah, that's good. You said 179 on the motorbike and then yeah, one 173 set on the bike.

Speaker 3:
[112:54] Yeah. I don't, I don't see, I don't see above, I don't get above 170 much on bicycle rides on or off road. I, that's a lot for me. But you know what I would do again though? And Phil, I don't know if you ever take one Muto? Did you ever do one?

Speaker 4:
[113:09] No, I did a FTP test one time on like a indoor trainer, but it was such a piece of shit the wheel starts spinning on the drum and I fucking gale so mad.

Speaker 3:
[113:18] Here's what I would have do if I did it again. I think I told JB this. So you got the minimum wattage that you've got to meet on each every minute, right? Well, at 160 wattage, 140 wattage, I'm doing 180. And I'm not struggling, but I'm just-

Speaker 2:
[113:34] Just spinning, just burning.

Speaker 3:
[113:35] Right, and so like you almost got to game it where you stay low for the end to push near the end. I don't know, Jelly, is that kind of a strategy? Is that something people would do?

Speaker 2:
[113:44] Well, yeah, I mean, you just want to keep meeting the watts as you go up. You don't want to overexpand yourself because you got to have some in the tank towards the end when it actually really counts. And that's kind of what's difficult with the Concept 2 bike. Like, usually we do it on like a Wahoo direct drive. So the resistance kicks into your trainer. So it's putting you at that watts and helping you stay there.

Speaker 4:
[114:10] Yeah, so you can just keep the RPMs, right?

Speaker 2:
[114:13] Yeah, the Concept 2, you got to keep your cadence up. You got to hit the wattage marks. You don't want to go over the wattage marks. And then I'm sitting there going off of what I think you need and just bumping the watts as you go to kind of help you stay in the cadence and not overspin.

Speaker 3:
[114:29] Yeah, I don't know what you were doing there early on. I'm like, what's he doing? Is he making this harder for me? Is he fucking me up?

Speaker 6:
[114:34] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[114:35] But then you were reaching down and adjusting it, but I got it afterwards. I'm like, oh, he's bringing me down a little bit. But if I were to do it again, yeah, I would try to game it a little closer to the right wattage, just to save me at the end.

Speaker 6:
[114:49] But it's cool.

Speaker 2:
[114:50] It's kind of cool to see. I even showed you at the end, you're breathing where all of a sudden, when intensity is high, you're short breath in, and then just like the Fat Mac stuff, it's kind of added cool stuff about it. I mean, VO2 is just kind of a number to get your starting base, but the rest of the stuff is actually what helps you train. Like, heart rate zones, power zones, and fuel utilization.

Speaker 3:
[115:17] Yeah, it's interesting to see that Phil, Jelly printed me out the sheet. I'll send it to you if you want, Phil, because you're dorky into that stuff. But yeah, you can see the point where like, hey, dude, you're done burning fat, now you're going to anaerobic stage, and now you're heart rate.

Speaker 6:
[115:31] Yeah, start building back the gas.

Speaker 5:
[115:32] Here it comes.

Speaker 3:
[115:35] Yeah, you can see everything on the chart, and Jelly was pointing out to me, I'm like, oh yeah, okay, that makes sense. So it was kind of, yeah, kind of cool. Yeah, it is kind of like dork stuff. Yeah, but the breathing in the mask and all that, that was fine, dude. Yeah, everyone had me worried about that, it was fine. But how about some of the people walking by the tent, they were just like, Ken Roczen, what the fuck is that guy? Like, oh, Roczen's parked here.

Speaker 2:
[115:56] Yeah, and then there's just warming up.

Speaker 6:
[115:58] Right, and then there's warming up for the day.

Speaker 3:
[115:59] Who's the fucking guy with the Bain mask on? Yeah. On the bike.

Speaker 4:
[116:03] Are they torturing this man?

Speaker 3:
[116:04] Like, I saw fans, like, the double take, like, what is going on?

Speaker 4:
[116:08] Oh, that's interesting. That's so funny.

Speaker 6:
[116:10] The picture I took where I zoomed in on your face and you were just fucking grinding. The amount of people that sent me a message about that, I was fucking dying. What were they saying?

Speaker 4:
[116:23] What were they saying?

Speaker 6:
[116:23] Oh, I had to have 300 messages over, just, what's the number? Oh, dude, I actually need to screenshot some of them and send them to you, Steve.

Speaker 2:
[116:33] I had to dig a hole and bury my phone. I would text Steve about this because I have zero followings on my social media. And once I posted that, it was just, mmm, mmm.

Speaker 3:
[116:47] Yeah. I'm like, what the?

Speaker 4:
[116:50] Good pup for the company.

Speaker 3:
[116:51] Yeah, like RS Endurance getting some publicity. Yeah, I said, Jelly, turn your notifications off, man. Yeah. Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 6:
[116:57] It's coming. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[117:00] Can't deal with that.

Speaker 6:
[117:02] Yeah, the number 44 has been heard around the world now.

Speaker 3:
[117:04] Yeah, 44 we dropped. Yeah, people wanted to know. I said, you got to listen. Although I told everybody in the pits, whoever asked me.

Speaker 4:
[117:10] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[117:10] You know, Hunter was like, oh, that's good, mate. You can come on a recovery ride with us. That's good. And I'm like, recovery ride? And then I don't, you got to, you got to, Jacob. You can come on us on a recovery ride. Uh, Jacob, you, Marks. Uh, Jacob was in the truck, Lars and Osho and Hunter and everybody's in there. And I don't know, man, like, Johnny O was like, 44? Oh yeah, that's good. And then I'm like, yeah. Yeah. But then dude, as we started talking more, and I, he was like, well, how did you feel? And I'm like, well, I felt like I could have went a little harder. You know, I don't want to throw up. I told him, and then I said FTP was 262 or whatever, 381. And then he went, oh, he was impressed, but then he wasn't.

Speaker 6:
[117:58] Maybe the power.

Speaker 2:
[118:00] Maybe the power went up to the standard.

Speaker 3:
[118:01] I felt like 381 was when his attitude changed. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[118:05] Well, he's looking at the size of you, and then at that point it goes watts per kilo.

Speaker 3:
[118:10] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[118:11] So, it's really technically, what would you say your FTP was saying?

Speaker 3:
[118:16] 262.

Speaker 2:
[118:17] 262.

Speaker 6:
[118:18] Yeah, 262. Yeah, for your size is really like not that great, but at the same time, it's still okay, you know? Right. Right.

Speaker 1:
[118:27] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[118:27] You can get better with that.

Speaker 3:
[118:29] Yeah. So, O'Meara, so you guys know them, Jelly and Phil. Yeah. So, that's what O'Meara was like happy with 44, and then I said, I'm going to go on the show and talk about how O'Meara fucking was impressed. Yeah. And then it kind of got less impressive. And then at some point him and Hunter were just bagging on me. Oh, shit.

Speaker 6:
[118:45] So, yeah. If you would have got, if you maybe would have said like, oh yeah, I was 320 for Threshold or FTP, then he probably would have been like, oh, okay, yeah, that's pretty legit. Yeah, the 260, he probably was just like, hey, okay.

Speaker 3:
[118:59] I just wanted to.

Speaker 2:
[119:00] It's not fair for Steve. Pull him out of the setting and put him into a normal setting.

Speaker 6:
[119:07] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[119:08] That's pretty good. You know what I'm saying? I keep Johnny O, every athlete out of it, and then put him in a group of normal people.

Speaker 3:
[119:16] Right.

Speaker 6:
[119:17] Yeah, for sure. 100%.

Speaker 3:
[119:19] Yeah, I just, and I was making jokes. I'm like, dude, I'm going to come on Monday and talk about how Johnny O was impressed. And then I'm like, oh wait, no, I'm not. No, Johnny O wasn't that impressed. Johnny said his best was 79.9. And Johnny goes, Johnny goes, not 80 though. I'm not going to say that. I'm 79.9. He's like, I'm not saying that. I didn't have a fucking 80, you know? Like, you know.

Speaker 2:
[119:41] Did you ask him, did you ask him what it is now?

Speaker 3:
[119:44] No, no, he didn't. Yeah. He didn't say what it was now, but you know.

Speaker 6:
[119:48] I can tell you what, Steven, you can take any of those guys, maybe not Johnny, Johnny, because he's built for it.

Speaker 1:
[119:54] But like, you take him on some of your trails, like you're taking me out with all the fucking rocks, and this and that, where it's a bit sketchy, and let me in, you fucking hammer them, their opinion will change a little bit.

Speaker 2:
[120:04] Okay, yeah, Philip.

Speaker 1:
[120:05] You had 262 or whatever, like, oh, fuck yes, he's pretty fucking strong. Meanwhile, there's shit and bricks up there in the fucking mounds of Las Vegas.

Speaker 2:
[120:15] Phil does get a little. I'm stressed about the mountains and the drops.

Speaker 3:
[120:18] That recovery ride with Hunter might not be great, though. I did one with Mitchell, and I was like, oh, whatever, recovery ride, it won't be that bad. And I was fucking tucking in behind him as fast as I could. He was like, I don't know if I got this.

Speaker 2:
[120:28] The same shit that gets me in trouble with the stealing of base, the fastball, the hole shot contest. Now I told Hunter, I'll pull you. I'll pull all you guys.

Speaker 3:
[120:37] Yeah, no, you have to.

Speaker 2:
[120:38] Yeah, so now-

Speaker 3:
[120:40] You gotta do a run up front.

Speaker 2:
[120:41] Right, so now they're all like, okay, man, cool, let's do this. And I'm like, oh, fuck.

Speaker 3:
[120:45] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[120:46] Once again, I have shot my mouth off.

Speaker 3:
[120:48] God damn it, now I have to do it.

Speaker 4:
[120:49] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2:
[120:51] But no, listen, Jelly, we got a tweet today. The guy signed up with RS Endurance, and he's doing a triathlon, and you're helping him a lot, so that's cool.

Speaker 5:
[121:00] Yeah, yeah. Yeah, go check out the website. Coaches and athletes, it works on both ends, kind of gives coaches a platform to kind of grow their own businesses as well.

Speaker 2:
[121:12] Also, while we're here, we're going to be doing a little bit of roll trainings on this show, of course. Our guy Alex ran the Boston Marathon today. Top 1,000, just out of the top 1,000 of 20,000 people or something?

Speaker 5:
[121:24] Yeah?

Speaker 4:
[121:24] Oh, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[121:26] I think wherever he finishes, whatever, but the actual, you know, his time with a 239 is legit, you know? Yeah. He wanted to go sub 240, and to be able to do that is fucking unbelievable.

Speaker 2:
[121:42] So, Jelly, you've been running a lot on your Strava. You're a runner guy.

Speaker 5:
[121:47] Yeah, I have. I just haven't. I mean, honestly, it's out of laziness of getting on the bicycle. It's easier to put my shoes on and I've been traveling a lot. Yeah, I just been the shoes are good running everywhere with Alex. Like that. That's insane. Like for the Boston Marathon, just to qualify now is what in the two fifties, like under threes to qualify.

Speaker 1:
[122:10] Correct. So another guy that yeah, another guy that did it. Big moto guy, Charlie Mullins. I think he did two forty eight as well.

Speaker 2:
[122:19] Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[122:21] Yeah. So.

Speaker 2:
[122:22] Yeah. So. But OK. Again, because we had J Mart in studio, if J Mart dedicated himself to running, he'd smash Alex.

Speaker 1:
[122:34] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[122:35] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[122:35] OK. You know, I think I think Jerma has a two thirty marathon in him for sure.

Speaker 2:
[122:41] OK.

Speaker 1:
[122:42] I think he can do that. Maybe even sub two thirty, which is fucking unbelievable. I think that's what he's going for, because I think he's going to do the Med City Marathon in either Rochester or Minneapolis. So, Alex and Jerma will go head to head. But yeah, I don't know. I think it's unbelievable how they can do that.

Speaker 2:
[123:04] Alex was 1045 out of 16,000, as Mark just said. Yeah. 1045 out of 16,473. Yeah, pretty damn impressive. This whole fucking VO2 thing started because of you, Alex and Jerma in the studio, Phil. Yeah. That's where it started. And then Jelly said, I can do that. And it's fucking there we go.

Speaker 1:
[123:24] Yeah. It's awesome. It's a big weekend, Boston Marathon and you doing your VO2 test. Holy fuck.

Speaker 3:
[123:30] Jelly, did you fly with that or do you just keep it on the rig?

Speaker 5:
[123:33] Well, after Steve did it, everybody wants to do it. So I might just live on the rig now.

Speaker 3:
[123:39] Charging by the head, man.

Speaker 8:
[123:40] Suspension pump.

Speaker 2:
[123:42] Oh, for real? Other people hit you up?

Speaker 5:
[123:45] Yeah. A couple of guys on the team want to do it. So that's cool. That's fun.

Speaker 2:
[123:49] Think about this. We could do just industry people. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[123:52] If I go to Salt Lake, I want to go on there, see where I never stack it. A little leaderboard going.

Speaker 5:
[123:57] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[123:58] We could do this, Jelly.

Speaker 5:
[124:00] An industry leaderboard.

Speaker 2:
[124:01] It's more work for you, but yeah.

Speaker 1:
[124:04] Jelly, what is a VO2 test cost? What do you charge to run a test?

Speaker 5:
[124:10] When I do it, there's actually two tests that I do. It's an RMR and a VO2. It's like a resting metabolic rate test that just shows your energy expenditure at rest before any activity, and then the VO2 right after, and I charge 200.

Speaker 1:
[124:28] Okay. Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 3:
[124:30] You got an extra bed in your hotel room because I'll skip by in a hotel room and I'll spend, give that money to you for the VO2 test.

Speaker 2:
[124:37] He's going to be like, Pipe is going to be like, hey man, are you working for us? Are you just doing the VO2s? Or what are we doing?

Speaker 9:
[124:43] We got weed over there.

Speaker 5:
[124:44] Yeah. Hey, I'm going to have to hold off on coming back. We're testing it out again.

Speaker 2:
[124:49] Hey, I'll tell you what though, I would actually like to see that fucking bastard, why can't do it because he's sneaky, good runner, dude. I bet he would do well. I really do. He's got, like, you wouldn't think so because he's just a disaster, but that guy's got some endurance. So, yeah. We got to get, we got to get, why can't, I think, on it.

Speaker 5:
[125:12] No, it's cool to PMG guys for allowing us to do it.

Speaker 4:
[125:14] Thanks, man, as well.

Speaker 5:
[125:16] It's fun and they kind of, people get to walk by the rig and see the engagement, so it's cool.

Speaker 2:
[125:21] Yeah, we had Billy on earlier tonight and I told him.

Speaker 5:
[125:24] How did he do? I heard he did good.

Speaker 2:
[125:26] No, he did good. I told him, and I don't want to wrench anymore, but if I come back to wrenching to feed the pookie and the dogs and the cats, I'm getting a job with pipes because you guys got, it's the best job in the pits.

Speaker 7:
[125:39] Yeah, it is.

Speaker 5:
[125:40] It really is.

Speaker 2:
[125:41] You're working on a Suzuki, there's no testing, everything's dialed, you're showing up on Thursdays, staying Sunday to build, whatever, and during the week you're doing VO2 tests. It's great. Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[125:55] They also got us an expresso machine for the weekend, so we are an hour in the morning just grinding copies out.

Speaker 2:
[126:02] And Aaron said next year, full movie theater popcorn machine coming.

Speaker 5:
[126:11] We got the hot dog rolling, the expresso going, and popcorn.

Speaker 2:
[126:15] I'm there.

Speaker 3:
[126:16] You guys need to let me know what beans you're running in there, because I'll bring it back to donate, because I can't get into the Honda rig and grab a latte from them, but I will sure as shit give it a shot at PMG to try to get in there.

Speaker 2:
[126:27] Their Honda machine is good. Yeah, it's legit.

Speaker 1:
[126:30] You guys, dude, you're team fucking factory beta.

Speaker 3:
[126:33] I push so hard, literally, you're like this earlier this year.

Speaker 1:
[126:37] Your factory is from Italy.

Speaker 3:
[126:39] That's what I was saying. I tried to push it.

Speaker 1:
[126:41] I was like, dude, what the is wrong?

Speaker 3:
[126:43] Carl is like, we can get a coffee machine. I said the one is like $1,000 bevel. He's like, there's not a fucking chance. I mean, when I put mine on sale, they're on sale. Yeah, I know. I bought one for a grand. The next day they were $200 off. I was so fucking pissed, too.

Speaker 5:
[126:57] Yeah. No, we run actually my beans in the rig.

Speaker 2:
[127:02] Your beans? What?

Speaker 9:
[127:03] You make beans?

Speaker 5:
[127:05] I sell beans. I own a coffee shop in Wisconsin.

Speaker 10:
[127:09] What the fuck?

Speaker 9:
[127:10] It's jelly, dude.

Speaker 3:
[127:11] This guy's a legend, dude.

Speaker 2:
[127:15] We got titles with Tomac. We got VO2s. We got coffee.

Speaker 5:
[127:19] I've been posting it on my social.

Speaker 7:
[127:21] Nobody follows it.

Speaker 3:
[127:23] I need to get that to follow. Post a link in the YouTube. Marks, let's sell some jelly beans.

Speaker 2:
[127:29] Yeah, Marks, post a link.

Speaker 3:
[127:30] Give me the link. Are they called jelly beans? Because that'd be really cool.

Speaker 7:
[127:34] That's actually a good name.

Speaker 2:
[127:36] It is a good name. Go to its social. It is jelly, J-E-L, what is it?

Speaker 11:
[127:42] J-E-L-L.

Speaker 7:
[127:43] 2-2.

Speaker 2:
[127:44] 2-2, yeah. Why do we do the 2-2?

Speaker 7:
[127:48] That was my racing number growing up.

Speaker 5:
[127:50] Me and Chad shared.

Speaker 2:
[127:51] Oh, okay. Got it. Well, awesome, Matt. RS Endurance. By the way, shout out Troll Training. They're on our show, but also RS Endurance, that Jelly runs there and a mechanic for Eli Tomac over the years. And many other guys and now working for Pipe's team. Best job in the sport, for sure.

Speaker 4:
[128:10] Yeah. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1:
[128:12] Go ahead, Muto.

Speaker 2:
[128:13] Wait, Muto's got a question.

Speaker 3:
[128:15] Well, I was just going to say, working for Beta is pretty fucking good too. I'd say it's a good one.

Speaker 2:
[128:19] Okay, Matt.

Speaker 1:
[128:19] Cool, Muto.

Speaker 3:
[128:21] I do have a question on the weekend.

Speaker 2:
[128:22] He knows he's going to catch fire for the Expresso Comet, so he's going to throw that in there.

Speaker 3:
[128:26] No, I do have a question for the weekend, because I want to ask Billy this. Obviously, I'm guessing you were helping Billy out in between the races and stuff like that. Was the little bit of rain, did it make it any harder? Do you guys have to do anything extra, or was it just kind of like just helping wash it and just the regular stuff?

Speaker 5:
[128:44] Well, that type of rain is OK, but it's...

Speaker 4:
[128:49] I said this to Swanee, he made fun of me.

Speaker 5:
[128:51] It's just enough to be annoying to where... It's not a full mudder to where you're just all hands on deck, making sure everything's clean but not getting water and stuff. It was like you got through qualifying clean, and then your first two motos were like, not so bad, and some heavy rain here, but it was just enough to be on high alert, but still OK. That type of rain is just... I don't know, it's more annoying than tough. The track really wasn't that bad.

Speaker 3:
[129:22] Yeah, I know. I was curious about that.

Speaker 2:
[129:24] Is Kenny the only guy that rode his second bike? Is that a common thing to jump on the backup bike? I know Billy said Kenny did, but do other guys do that?

Speaker 5:
[129:33] I didn't see anybody else do that, honestly. I think Kenny just wants to make sure all his boxes are checked, which is good. I mean, you can get on that second bike and shit, the levers aren't even set yet and you need it on the line. So he's just ready. You never know what can happen.

Speaker 2:
[129:48] Phil, do you know the other guys? You ever seen guys jump on?

Speaker 1:
[129:52] No, I mean, back 2006, I had to ride my practice bike and Saturday qualifiers at a national and then race my race bike because you could take two bikes back then.

Speaker 5:
[130:02] I didn't know that.

Speaker 1:
[130:03] Yeah, yeah. So I would ride my practice bike and Saturday qualifiers, get in the Sunday and then ride my race bike on Sunday, save time on it.

Speaker 3:
[130:12] That's so legendary.

Speaker 2:
[130:13] Well, listen, Jelly on the line, Josh Ellingson, coffee guy, VO2 guy, mechanic.

Speaker 5:
[130:22] Thank God.

Speaker 3:
[130:23] You got a plumbing issue, you can probably fix it.

Speaker 2:
[130:25] Is it Chalk Temptation?

Speaker 5:
[130:27] Chalk Temptation, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[130:29] All right, that's it. Okay, so we'll put a link up. And then RS Endurance. And then anybody in the industry, if you want a VO2 test, hit up Jelly.

Speaker 3:
[130:36] Yeah, 200 bucks a pop.

Speaker 5:
[130:39] You need me to wash your truck too, detailing as well.

Speaker 2:
[130:43] Well, we were, hey, listen, I was going to go to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but your tailgate broke on you. Yeah. So the test was delayed. So then I go over, Jelly's in a forklift. Now he's in a forklift in the pit. So like, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[130:57] Yeah, we ran into some technical difficulties, but we got her dialed down.

Speaker 2:
[131:01] Absolutely. Awesome, man. Well, hey, Jelly, thanks again for doing this. Really, I appreciate it. It's fun, the whole thing. So hopefully you can pick some people up for RS Endurance as well. And is Bogle back? Do we know?

Speaker 5:
[131:15] I think we'll find out more this week. I'm not 100% sure yet.

Speaker 2:
[131:17] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[131:18] But Muto, good luck outdoors.

Speaker 3:
[131:21] Thanks, man.

Speaker 5:
[131:22] Last time you did outdoors.

Speaker 3:
[131:23] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[131:25] Listen, Oldenburg's not happy with me. I was kind of like saying, dude, you're fucked outdoors when he was in studio and he's not happy, Jelly.

Speaker 3:
[131:34] Well, you brought up that no one ever got 43rd before, but apparently Freckle did one time. That's the first one you bring up.

Speaker 2:
[131:41] Freckle says, dude, I have some good results outdoors. I look in the vault. His last time he raced, he got 42nd, which I didn't think was possible, but with the fill-in guys, with the replacements, I'm like, okay.

Speaker 11:
[131:52] Yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 3:
[131:53] I appreciate it, Jelly. I need all the thoughts and prayers.

Speaker 5:
[131:58] Get a rain suit, dude.

Speaker 2:
[131:59] Dude, outdoors for a mechanic is not fun. No. All right. Thanks, Jelly. Appreciate it, man. Thanks, Josh. No problem. All right. That's Jelly, everybody. Check them out. Get some coffee. Get whatever you need. That's funny. Industry people hitting them up.

Speaker 3:
[132:16] Yeah. That's such a fun group underneath that tent, man.

Speaker 2:
[132:20] It is. Yeah. No, it is for sure. When Chiz was there last year at Salt Lake, they made him a Burger King crown because he was retiring and we did a video. They put the Burger King crown on him and all this stuff. So before you go, Phil, Nash is on three. What's up, Nash?

Speaker 8:
[132:40] What's going on, fellas?

Speaker 5:
[132:41] Great show, great topics, as always. The million dollar question is, Phil, did you see Ken doing that rhythm and all you guys, the one rhythm on the third race where he was using so much finesse and body English like as he was mid rhythm section, he was almost climbing up on the bike. Very unusual, just so godlike in terms of how he was mastering that thing.

Speaker 12:
[133:13] Have you ever seen that?

Speaker 5:
[133:14] Was there like a goat trail he was trying to hit or land in? Does anybody know? I mean, it was just very really amazing technique to watch and they're all so good. Each one of those guys is incredible. Did you guys see this or did you observe what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1:
[133:30] No, I mean, I would imagine the fucking ruts in between the transitions were justifying, you know? So Kenny's probably just fucking preparing for those things.

Speaker 5:
[133:41] And he's like, he's climbing up on the chassis and just getting set up. Either way, then that takes me to my next thing is, out of the percentage pie chart for all you guys, what do you guys think of, now obviously, Kenny's durability and his timelessness and his maturity and just been around for so long that he just can handle this at such a level than frequency that most can't. That's one area coupled with having Larry Brooks. I'll tell you, you really look at his tenure, working with all the some really top, top, top guys and that knowledge and that wisdom coming to the team and being able to work with that team. And then what I call the house money concept is the third piece. What would you guys put the pie percentages on? Kenny's journeyman tenure ability, Larry's insight in managing it and then just the, hey, all the pressure is on Hunter. Kenny's coming in to this and he's like, hey, I got this and I think I can just swipe right in.

Speaker 8:
[134:39] What are your guys thoughts?

Speaker 2:
[134:41] I feel like Larry was a great addition to the team and he did help out and those guys did gel right away. But right now, obviously Larry's got the health stuff and he's away and Kenny's ready to be riding better than ever. And Nash, we said this at the beginning of the show, I just think Kenny, yes, that Suzuki's an old bike and I do think there's some validity to be like, hey, team, stop fucking around with bikes. Just ride the same bike and get your rider super comfy. But then on the other side, Nash, Kenny's a freak, dude. He's like, probably, would you say, I'll start with you Muto. Kenny's top five most talented riders in the world? Top three?

Speaker 3:
[135:17] Yeah, I mean, you get to a point, there's so many talented guys.

Speaker 2:
[135:20] I know.

Speaker 3:
[135:20] There's an argument to put him top three.

Speaker 2:
[135:22] Phil, right? Kenny's got to be.

Speaker 1:
[135:24] Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yep. I mean, without a doubt.

Speaker 5:
[135:28] So a percentage of you doing the one-handed wheelie down the start street at Glen Ell and, you know, the two stroke challenge, I can see Phil doing that, Steve.

Speaker 3:
[135:35] He did one. He did one when he was flipping me off going by the mechanics area.

Speaker 1:
[135:40] Muto didn't see me because he was pushing a bike back. Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 7:
[135:46] Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 5:
[135:49] No, but the God-given talent, Steve is off the Richter scale.

Speaker 2:
[135:52] Yeah, it is. It is. I think that you can maybe put someone else, put a Tomax Sexton Hunter on a Suzuki. I don't think you're getting the same results. I think Kenny is just this fucking good. You know?

Speaker 5:
[136:03] Yeah. What about the comfort? I'm sorry. I mean, speak over you, Ludo.

Speaker 11:
[136:08] I didn't mean to do that.

Speaker 3:
[136:09] It's like, dude, you're fucking nash. You can speak over me whenever you want.

Speaker 5:
[136:12] Stop.

Speaker 11:
[136:13] Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[136:13] I appreciate it. No, I mean, just his ability to... It's really...

Speaker 5:
[136:18] Yeah, I mean, it's next level. It's truly next level. But what are we going to say, Ludo?

Speaker 3:
[136:23] I feel like there is... It's hard to put a number on either one, but the combo of Larry and Kenny, I feel like... I've worked with Larry for quite a few years at BarrX. Like, he's just such a calming voice. Like, he sets such a good foundation for, like, the entire team that... And then I feel like Kenny going to Larry, having that person to talk to, that it's very easy to trust what he's going to say to you because he's been there, he's done it. He's done it with so many other riders that, like... Like, if it was maybe another team manager, they could... You might be like, oh, like, I hear what you're saying, but I'm going to go with my gut instinct to where it's like he can bounce someone off Larry and Larry. Like, I agree with that. I disagree with that. It's easy to trust that. Like, yeah, that's Larry fucking Brooks. Like, yeah, I'm going to listen to that guy.

Speaker 5:
[137:08] The input that he's given is not impulsive. It's through experience is what I'm hearing you say.

Speaker 3:
[137:14] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[137:15] I mean, it's just the wisdom coming out of that guy. I mean, the fact that he abused Steve when Steve was a young mechanic and, you know, basically roughed him up and, you know...

Speaker 2:
[137:24] He was intense, man. He was scary. But I knew Larry a little bit. But man, I learned a lot from him, for sure.

Speaker 3:
[137:29] Yeah. And he gives his whole heart into it. Like it is like you are his second family. Like he does. It's not just a job. Like it is his life. Like he loves his guys.

Speaker 5:
[137:39] I can... You can just see that from all the stories. And Steve, obviously, I was joking there, but the whole element is just insane. Well, look, we're all excited about these things coming up and it's wonderful. And hey, just a shout out for T-Rex. You know, the kid that got busted up, GNCC kid. He got jacked up. Little T's and P's for him. And I know that everybody listens and cheering for the kid. He's a good kid. He's on Steve's team. And it's a bummer that that happened to him. As any one of these guys that gets hurt, it stinks when it happens.

Speaker 1:
[138:07] But anyway, we'll listen.

Speaker 2:
[138:09] Thanks, Nash.

Speaker 1:
[138:09] Hey, Dynamite Show.

Speaker 5:
[138:10] Dynamite Show, go get it, boys.

Speaker 1:
[138:11] Appreciate it.

Speaker 2:
[138:12] Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[138:12] See you, Nash.

Speaker 2:
[138:13] Phil, any thoughts on Freeze? Getting two more license points for ignoring blue flags and he is one point away from getting last pick on the gate. Do we have any thoughts on that?

Speaker 1:
[138:24] I just thought being Vince gives a fuck. I mean, I saw you had him on your show last week. I didn't listen to any of it. I saw Cliff as someone calling him a see you next Tuesday word, but yeah, it is what it is.

Speaker 2:
[138:40] Derek, you know Derek, right?

Speaker 1:
[138:42] Yeah, Rankin.

Speaker 2:
[138:43] Yeah, Derek Rankin. The St. Louis thing with McElrath, right? You remember that? He said all year long, he's been going in the AMA truck and he's been fighting for Vince and saying, I know, but this and this and that and this and...

Speaker 1:
[138:58] He's probably had a fucking...

Speaker 2:
[138:59] Well, no, yeah. So nothing's worked. Vince has continued to get penalized. So at St. Louis when he went in there, he said he tried a new strategy, Phil. He went in there and said, I don't see a problem with that pass. I don't see anything wrong with that. Trying to do like a mind trick on the AMA, but they did not fall for it. So dude, it was just hilarious. He goes, I tried something new, man. I went in there and said, guys, I don't see a problem with that.

Speaker 3:
[139:23] I'm not seeing what you're seeing here.

Speaker 1:
[139:26] I feel like we've been getting these, how many license points do we have now?

Speaker 2:
[139:31] Well, he's got nine.

Speaker 1:
[139:33] Nine? Okay. Again, I don't, I keep forgetting what these license plates, the license points actually cost, but it seems like we've been getting a lot of them, and it's just like we still don't really have any penalty.

Speaker 2:
[139:46] We went through, one more, he gets last gate pick, and then we went many races with no license points being handed out. That's the point where I was on the show saying, what are we doing with these license points? Because they've gone missing. Now they're back, and they're back with a fucking fury.

Speaker 3:
[140:00] Does it go through outdoors or is it just like Supercross?

Speaker 2:
[140:02] No, it counts all year.

Speaker 3:
[140:03] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[140:04] Since Feld and MX Sports got together, it is all year because, yeah, a long time guys could just blast each other in Supercross and then it gets reset for outdoors, right?

Speaker 1:
[140:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah, because there's like two different sanctions.

Speaker 2:
[140:16] Yeah, but not now.

Speaker 12:
[140:17] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[140:18] So I tell you, on probation for Supercross, come outdoors, especially fucking clean flea, baby, you know?

Speaker 2:
[140:23] Yeah, for sure. So, all right, Philip, thank you for the time. Appreciate it. Where are you off to next? What's next on your agenda?

Speaker 1:
[140:31] Actually, two weeks, English town area qualifier now, maybe three weeks. I got some time I can log at club, do some practicing and stuff. Actually, I had a nice big week last week, a couple thirties. English town area qualifier, Glen Helen stopwatch nationals and the Muddy Creek regional three weekends in a row.

Speaker 2:
[140:51] You happen to see A-Ray's video that he put?

Speaker 1:
[140:54] No, but he sent me a message today saying, he cleaned out some people on accident on the start, and he sent somebody in an ambulance or something. Dude, it's 25, a dude.

Speaker 3:
[141:06] A-Ray's going to A-Ray.

Speaker 2:
[141:07] Did he send you the video?

Speaker 1:
[141:09] No, I don't want to see the video.

Speaker 2:
[141:11] No, I'm going to send it to you. I'm going to look right now and see if it... Oh, yeah, here it is. Here it is. I'll send... No, that's not it. Hold on. God damn it. I can't find it. If I find it, I'll send it to you. Yeah, he's full throttle, wheeling sideways out of the gate, sets the front end down, but the front wheel was crooked, so then he went, and swapped, and took out a guy. Welcome to Alex Ray's life, everybody.

Speaker 3:
[141:36] Yeah, it was a glimpse.

Speaker 2:
[141:37] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[141:38] Oh, dude.

Speaker 2:
[141:40] All right, buddy.

Speaker 1:
[141:40] It'll be interesting.

Speaker 2:
[141:41] Thanks for the time.

Speaker 1:
[141:42] Well, you guys have fun. I'll talk to you. All right.

Speaker 2:
[141:44] See you. Bye, Philip. See you. That's Phil Nicoletti, everybody. Ethica, PulpMX20 code to save with Ethica, by the way, ethica.com. Please check those guys out. Use the code pulpmx20 to save. Next guest here on the show brought to you by Factory Chassis Parts, Pulp26-Chassis, the code to save engine hangers, race cups as well for the race teams. A lot of people use these things in privateer life, even in some factory teams. Triumph guys have used some of their race cups. Pulp-FCP26, the code to save, sorry. And yeah, the performance engine mounts are working really good. 2026 Yamahas are in stock now as well. Thank you to fcpracing.com. Use the code to save. Bringing you our next guest on the night. This gentleman had a nice career in the sport. Lots of great rides at Star Yamaha and many other places. And now he is doing a podcast. And I've always enjoyed talking to Matt Lemoine. So let's get him on the show. What's up, Matt? How are you, buddy?

Speaker 7:
[142:39] Oh, man, I'm doing good. Little bit late over here for me.

Speaker 2:
[142:43] Yeah, I apologize for that, sorry, but, you know.

Speaker 7:
[142:46] No, you're good. Yeah, man, I'm great. I don't have any complaints. I appreciate you guys having me on.

Speaker 2:
[142:53] Yeah, no problem. We just hung up with Nicoletti. Do you have any Phil stories?

Speaker 7:
[142:57] I don't, man. I raced with him just a little bit there for a minute, and I can't say that I have any hard feelings against him or no love against him either.

Speaker 2:
[143:08] I wish you would have got into it with him at some point.

Speaker 3:
[143:10] Yeah, I'd say you came out unscathed. You're one of the lucky ones.

Speaker 2:
[143:12] Yeah. Hey, so listen, let's get into it a little bit, Matt. I've seen this on social a little bit. I'm buddies with Jake Weimer. He told me about he did your podcast as well, and then, like I said, it's come across my feed here and there. Talk about your podcast, what it is, why you decided to do it, and how it's been going so far.

Speaker 7:
[143:33] Okay, I guess from the beginning is, yeah, I struggled whenever I stopped racing with depression big time. I struggled with just that area, I guess unknown what I was going to do whenever I got done racing to working a regular job. For me, the more I talk to people and as I got a little bit better and healthier and through all those struggles, I struggled with alcohol really bad and I'd say I hit rock bottom, honestly.

Speaker 2:
[144:07] Well, just to interrupt you, sorry, I heard some things through the years about you and how you were doing. Yes, it didn't seem like you were doing that well, so that's awesome that you're doing this now.

Speaker 7:
[144:18] Yeah, I stayed away from dirt bikes, I stayed away from the track, I wouldn't even go to the Supercross and yeah, I'd say it took a long time to get through that mess and I met my wife now, Lucy, and then she pulled me out of that hole and seeing that, if I didn't figure it out, then honestly, I think I'd be dead or in jail or I have no idea. With that being said, I see a lot of people that struggle with that part of racing to the stop and then like, what am I going to do next? I guess that's part of it and then I'd say really, just to get back in communication with a lot of people that were, I feel like good friends, my second family with the racing and it's really hard to grow up and see those people every single weekend to having that hard stop of not seeing them, no one calling. It's a really weird spot and the more people that I talk to, it's more common than not, but I don't think, most people just go through it and figure it out. Unless you really reach out to them, you don't really hear from them, honestly. I think that's just depression in itself. You want to isolate, I wanted to isolate. I didn't want to talk to anybody, but at the same time, I wanted them to reach out to me, to check on me and then when they would, I would just be like, I'm all good over here, but in reality, mentally, I wasn't.

Speaker 3:
[145:58] You don't want to make yourself too vulnerable.

Speaker 7:
[146:01] Yeah, and I'm to the point now in my life that obviously people's opinions matter, but I don't think of what people think of me as how I judge myself. I look at myself back on racing, and yeah, I had some highs and some lows, but it was pretty damn cool to be able to say that I raced a dirt bike for a living for a little while, and now watching the races and kind of reconnecting with a lot of people is, yeah, I think I'm more of a fan of dirt bikes now than I ever have been.

Speaker 2:
[146:37] Oh, that's cool. That's awesome. You're right though, dude. The sudden stop at the end, and I know Jake has gone through some stuff, like he's a buddy of mine, like I said, and RV, and I mean, it's nice when you're a real opponent, you got a bunch of money in the bank, but you get on your badass boat. Yeah, but dude, it is, it is, you are not alone. Like, yeah, you guys, you, you go structure, adrenaline, all of the sort of hallmarks of like a hyper competitive athlete, and then it's done. And now what? How do you get that competitiveness? How do you get that high back of, of adrenaline and chasing things? It's, it's really hard for guys.

Speaker 7:
[147:17] Yeah. And you know, the more that, the more that I've talked to people and the amount of people that's actually reached out to me about it, it, you know, racing is just the tip of the iceberg. It's athletes across the board, you know, I think athletes that just, it's, it's a lifestyle, you know, you choose that sport and you put everything that you have into it. Your parents invest a lot of money into you and time. And it, it just becomes a piece of you. And then whenever that's missing, it's, it's very weird. It's a, it's a strange position to be in. And like I said, I talked to quite a bit of people that's reached out that won't even come on the show or talk, but they'll call me and rant for like an hour and a half. And it's, it's even just that, like, my true objective is just to talk to people. And if I can just speak a little bit on it and even plant a seed, you know, and no one wants to talk about it, then that's fine. I don't, I don't care if I do one more, you know, podcast or I do 5,000 more of them. As long as people want to talk about it and are willing to give me a little bit of time, then, you know, I'm going to enjoy it while I can.

Speaker 2:
[148:31] I think part of it too, and like, so Nick Way is a buddy of mine and he had a fantastic career, 450 supercross podiums, 101 25 national, factory rides, all that stuff. He had a career that 95 percent of pro-riders would love to have. Well, guess what? Nick feels like he didn't have a good career. He really feels that way and I'm always like, shut up, dude. But internally, he's like, I should have done more. I was more talented. I needed to work harder. I should have won more races, all of that stuff. And he really feels like that. And he's in a good spot. You know, obviously his son's doing great and I'm not saying he's in a bad spot or anything, but he does feel like his career should have been better, which is an insane thought. But Matt, for you and others, do you see, I mean, look, you got in the box, you got tons of top tens, like all of that. At your low point, Matt, or just when you hang it up, were you in that boat? Because some of you Rex racers are where you're like, I didn't do shit, I failed, I'm a loser. Did you ever get that way?

Speaker 7:
[149:29] Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. And looking back on it now, you know, obviously, you know, you do a little bit of research when you're going to have a guest on, you know, you kind of want to know the basics. And, you know, I dig in the people and, you know, I've spoken to Trey, I've spoken to Jake and Ryan, and obviously those guys are super successful. But even then, you know, like I wouldn't say so much for Ryan, but you know, Jake, when I was talking to him, he's like, you know, I could have did this. I'm like, dude, you're a badass dude. Like you had a freaking sick career. And you know, same with Trey. It's, you know, it's unfortunate. I don't think there's an easy way to stop it. Even if you stop when you're winning and you look back five years, you're like, dude, I wish I'd have won one more title. Or, you know, it's never enough. And to answer your question, like, yeah, I definitely, definitely didn't want to go out the way I did. You know, and I look back on it, and I definitely had a lot more in the tank. I definitely had a lot more podiums in me that, you know, threw away or brain farted or bike troubles, you know, you name it, but it's just part of the game. And I feel like, you know, we're all dealt a different hand, and you just got to make the best of it. And I think for me now is just, you know, really reflecting on that and accepting it. I think that's the biggest thing is just accepting it and kind of closing that chapter. And at the same time, starting can pack up.

Speaker 2:
[151:03] I think be grateful. You are a 20 year old kid, 18, 19, 20, 21. You are racing dirt bikes for a living. You're traveling around. You are getting these life experiences. You're making some money. You're getting to hang out with your friends as a professional athlete. Like, in a sense, when you look at your peers going to school or whatever, or the racers that you didn't make it. Like to me, this should be a, it's easy to say, of course, hard to do, but you got to be grateful. You guys had a great life, a lot of you guys, you know? But yeah, but you're not taught that way. There's pressure, there's all of that stuff.

Speaker 3:
[151:36] Well, yeah, I feel like too, like from a young age and you're committed to any sport, you're always looking forward to the next race, the next practice, the next practice day. Like, you don't really ever have that time. And really, why would you, as you're growing up and everything's going well, to take a step back and have some time to really think, like, who am I outside of this? And like, who am I, like, what is actually, like, the person that I am besides just like a dirt bike racer? And then when it ends, that's probably the first time a lot of these guys are, like, really have nothing going on, nothing to look forward to. And then you are actually just like alone with yourself. And like, okay, shit, like, this has got really real. But Matt, I do want to say, like, massive props to you for just going out there and making yourself vulnerable, because this is like a real thing. And I mean, whether someone says something or not, like, you are definitely going to help people by just getting that, your story out there. And then also drawing that out of other people that they make, wow, I never thought so-and-so thought that way. Like, that's crazy. That's how I feel. Like, I'm not the only one. Because I know, like, I mean, in personal experience, if you get yourself in a dark hole, you feel like the only one that's ever been through this and you have no idea how to get out. You feel so like, I don't want to talk about it, but I know what doing what you're doing is going to help a ton of people. So massive props for that.

Speaker 7:
[153:00] Yeah, I appreciate that. I really do. I think the more it's discussed and the more that, I guess you would kind of normalize it, you know, then people would be more open and willing to talk about it. Yeah, I think now with racing, people hold everything so close to them that they don't say anything about nothing. Like, I mean, a bike or a tire or, you know, whatever it may be, and they just don't speak on anything. And it's a part, you know, you want to have that mental competition or that mental edge over your competition, you know, and stuff like that. But I would say the true goal would be if we could talk about this stuff and then kids that are entering the pro ranks, you know, and then just have maybe that little bit of peace of mind there. Like, hey, man, I don't know if my career is going to end tomorrow or hopefully it ends 15 years from now. Like, I want people to race as long as they are like they are now. Like, I feel like the sport is getting longer and longer for guys, and that is incredible to see. But not everybody's lucky like that. And you can only have one winner at the end of the day. And for a lot of people, it's reality that, hey, you're probably going to have to do something after racing. It's very uncommon that, hey, I could just retire and retire off of my winnings from racing. And I think that stop is super hard. And like you said, nobody really puts themselves out there. And man, I was just like, you know what? F it. I'm going to tell my story and whatever it is, it is. And it was something to honestly just to get it off my chest, talking about it. And I feel like it just makes me a better person on a daily basis, just reminding myself like I'm not in control. And whatever cards I'm dealt, I just got to deal with them and try to be a positive person.

Speaker 2:
[155:03] So Matt, tell people where they can find this podcast.

Speaker 7:
[155:07] So yeah, it's on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts. And I just dropped the 11th episode today. So trying to do them weekly. And if I can keep it up, then yeah, I will. If not, if work or whatever gets hectic, then just have to put them out as I can get them. And yeah, I would say...

Speaker 2:
[155:28] What's it called? Just for people...

Speaker 7:
[155:29] Life after Modo.

Speaker 2:
[155:30] Life after Modo.

Speaker 7:
[155:31] So I think a lot of people too, whenever I speak to them, like I got some people that are going to come on, like hopefully in the near future, that still race. You know, it's like life after Modo for Matt Lemoine, like for me, what's going on in my life. And I want to talk to some riders that are still racing, you know, and just kind of, I don't know, man, talk to people, see what's going on, and not just about like statistics and, you know, recapping the race and stuff like that, but actually talk to them as people, you know, and see what's going on with them. And you know, how's life treating you? What can I help with, you know?

Speaker 2:
[156:09] Well, also going back to Muto, what you're saying, I think, and this is a lot of this falls on the parents too, like obviously they're paying financial sacrifice to get their kid to the top. And I get that, but there's, I think the parents need to be like, hey, maybe we should get Muto into BMX jumping or something, or get him a hobby. He likes doing like, it just maybe shouldn't be 1000 million percent devoted on racing and racing results, because then the kid feels like that's all there is to life. And so you need to have a well-rounded kid. And I know that the levels we're at now, everyone is homeschooled. Don't get me started on that. I think that's a horrific thing we do, where we're scheduling amateur races everywhere, where the kids have to be fucking homeschooled. Yeah. And parents, probably 50 percent of the parents are doing a shit job at it. Okay. So don't get me started on that. That's a race tech rant for another day.

Speaker 7:
[157:02] I think homeschool is just an easy way to say, I don't go to school.

Speaker 2:
[157:06] Right? Yeah. I mean.

Speaker 7:
[157:06] Or at least for my generation.

Speaker 2:
[157:08] Right.

Speaker 7:
[157:09] You know, I don't have an education. I don't know very many people do. You know, you get a GED. But as far as extending that education or learning a trade, you know, I think those things are super important that even while you're racing, you know, I know it takes, it's a full time job, obviously. You're totally invested in it. But man, as much time as people spend on social media and video games and stuff like that, or me personally, whenever I raced that, it was like if I would have just applied myself a little bit somewhere else or maybe tried to learn a little bit, you know, would go a long way.

Speaker 2:
[157:47] Yeah. I think the parents, that's on the parents, in my opinion, to make sure your kid is well-rounded at something. And I mean, look, you want to pull your kid out at 17, 16, 17 because he's getting pretty fast and all that. Okay, I get that. But those early years of getting picked on and playing intramural sports with buddies and character building, that's all so important for a kid. And dude, none of these kids go to school. It's insane.

Speaker 3:
[158:11] You know, so well, if I can comment on the parents too, real quick, like, dude, they, some of them mentally break their kids at an early age. Like I saw firsthand, I'm not going to name the writer's name, but he was like a top amateur kid, won a lot. They ended up not going well. Got him at Bar X and we're at Loretta's and his dad's taken him to the line in a horrible moto, a horrible moto. I take him to the line. I'm like, hey, let me take him to the line. I'm just literally just positive affirmations on the line. Like, do you just trust yourself, believe in your talent, just go ride like you know how to ride? I took him to two motos, best motos he had. Like it wasn't me, it was just the positive reinforcement. Then his dad took him to the line, rest of the motos, you could just see it, just the mental just switch, just broken.

Speaker 2:
[158:54] I think a lot of these riders' problems are related back to the parents for sure, Muto. So Matt, that leads me to your question. How were your parents? Do you have a good relationship with them? Do you look back on that as some of the problems while you ran into the issues when you stopped?

Speaker 7:
[159:10] Well, actually, I lost my dad five years ago in a car crash about two miles from my house.

Speaker 2:
[159:16] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[159:16] I didn't hear that.

Speaker 7:
[159:17] Actually, his five year, I don't even know what you call it, it was like a couple of days ago. But yeah, but other than that, my parents and I got along amazing. I think there's a fine line there. Some kids need to be pushed, and some kids can't handle that. I have kids myself and each one of them are different. One of them, I can beat it into their head and they won't listen, and the other one, I could tell one time and they do it. So, I think the parents have a huge role, and going back to one of your points is, I've seen kids get ripped off of their motorcycle because they didn't do a corner right. You know, like, kicked and punched, and you name it, it's very disgusting a lot of times. You do see it, and a lot of other parents see it too, but no one says anything about it, and I do think more positive mindset would help, you know, and I think that's confidence building too, you know. Just a good parent has a confident kid. You know, if they trust in you, and they respect you 100%, then like little Johnny, more than likely is gonna be a good kid, and he's gonna be a respectable kid, and he'll listen to his trainers and follow a program, and that structure that's needed to be successful. I think that the parents are, I always say this, are like, you could see, you could put 20 parents, and then put 20 kids, and I always say I want to play a game to try to match those kids to those parents, because you could see how they carry themselves, and you can like, everything about them, they're spitting images of their parents, so I think, yeah, I think a lot of it is on the parenting.

Speaker 2:
[161:09] So how, Matt, if you want to get into it a little bit, like how bad did it get for you? Like you mentioned drinking, you said, could have gone to jail or whatever, like how, what was Rock Bottom or how bad, what were we talking?

Speaker 7:
[161:20] Man, it was just drinking every day.

Speaker 2:
[161:21] Just drinking, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7:
[161:22] Yeah, just sun up, sun down. I wake up and would be shaking and I was literally just a high function and alcoholic pretty much. And yeah, just it triggered, going a couple days without it, just anxiety through the roof. I mentioned it on one of the podcasts that I did is, there was like a time that, I couldn't even go over a bridge. I had to like pull my truck over. I could not get myself to go over that bridge. And my wife had to, I was just anxiety, anxiety. Like I felt like I was gonna go over the bridge and it was just gonna collapse. And that was it. And yeah, and that's what to me, that was rock bottom for me. You know, like not being able to drive and be safe and just like be in my own peaceful state of mind is, yeah, that's my rock bottom. You know, I think everybody, everybody has their own rock bottom, but drinking every day wasn't a good choice.

Speaker 2:
[162:25] What are you doing for a living now?

Speaker 7:
[162:27] I work at a countertop company. So I do anything to do with countertops as far as, you know, fireplaces, landscapes, new houses, renovation. It's a pretty big company over here in Texas, all around the Metroplex. And I also do the marketing, or some of the marketing stuff for that also, like Instagram videos and like media and stuff like that.

Speaker 2:
[162:51] Cool.

Speaker 7:
[162:52] That's what I really enjoy is that side of it, doing the camera work and I love shooting photography and that type of stuff. So I kind of get to have the best of both worlds.

Speaker 2:
[163:02] Do you ride anymore? Anything? When was the last time you got on a bike?

Speaker 7:
[163:05] Oh man, it was last Christmas.

Speaker 2:
[163:07] Okay.

Speaker 7:
[163:08] And I had so much fun. It was unreal. That was the first time I rode probably in like five years.

Speaker 2:
[163:15] Oh yeah.

Speaker 7:
[163:16] And I felt great. I stay in shape. I run a lot. I exercise. I lift a lot. And that's just part of my life now is like getting those endorphins out and that type of stuff. It's crucial to being healthy and mentally fit.

Speaker 2:
[163:34] Right. Well, you can get the VO2 test.

Speaker 3:
[163:36] Yeah. Well, he's still got it. It's Matt Lemoine, dude. That Tao Ling is going to leave.

Speaker 2:
[163:40] Yeah. I know you're a great rider, Matt, for sure. You can make a case. Like you look at your results and you got a box, like I said, a lot of top fives, top tens. You with how talented you were at times. I definitely I thought you could have done better more with your like better results. But again, we just covered that with just being happy and grateful and all of that. But yeah, man, you you were you looked good on a bike. You really did.

Speaker 7:
[164:02] Yeah, I appreciate that. I I would say there was so many times that I felt phenomenal that I knew I was going to be on the podium, you know, and would crash last lap or something. Just stupid, like we said, and it just wasn't meant to be. But, you know, I feel like, especially even to the more people I've talked to, I feel like I was respected enough around, you know, the paddock and stuff like that, that especially towards the end, doing my own deal and getting on the podium like that was huge for us. And, you know, a huge confidence booster for me. And, yeah, that last year, man, I put all my eggs into the basket. Then I went over to, I went to Barsch's house, the train before Daytona, and I broke my finger, like all of the things, my finger, and that pretty much just like stuck the nail on the coffin for me.

Speaker 2:
[164:56] Also, there's this game called Supercross SMX Muse, and it's like a grid game. You familiar with it, Muto?

Speaker 3:
[165:01] I know it is. I've played it.

Speaker 2:
[165:02] And Marks, our producer here, Travis, you use Lemoine all the time.

Speaker 10:
[165:07] I was using Lemoine for a while, like Sneaky Pig.

Speaker 9:
[165:09] And then it seems that a couple of people have caught on.

Speaker 2:
[165:12] So what it is, Matt, it's an online game you play every day. It's a different puzzle. So you got to line up the two puzzles, the two questions, I guess. So it'll be like an American rider that rode a Cowie. Or does it have Texas? Doesn't have Texas. No.

Speaker 10:
[165:26] Or like Yamaha raced in 2010.

Speaker 2:
[165:28] Yeah, Yamaha 2010s versus Cowie. And you know, Matt, you rode Suzuki's, you rode Yamaha's, you rode Cowie's. So anyways, Travis here uses your name a lot in the Supercross Muse game.

Speaker 9:
[165:38] So people are catching on. So you are not forgotten.

Speaker 2:
[165:41] Yeah. Yeah. People are using you. So they remember you.

Speaker 7:
[165:44] Yeah. That's awesome.

Speaker 2:
[165:45] And the idea is to get a rare guy, so the low percent, so you score better.

Speaker 7:
[165:50] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[165:51] You just pick Chad Reed for Australian Yamaha rider. You're not going to do that well because everyone's picking Chad Reed.

Speaker 3:
[165:56] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[165:57] You got to pick like Craig Anderson.

Speaker 7:
[166:01] Is there a correct answer to the question? No.

Speaker 2:
[166:04] Well, you got to get it right. But you could be anybody, but you want to get the rarest one you can.

Speaker 3:
[166:08] So there's multiple answers.

Speaker 2:
[166:09] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[166:10] There's more than one right answer.

Speaker 2:
[166:11] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[166:12] That's what they had never understood with that.

Speaker 2:
[166:14] No.

Speaker 7:
[166:14] It's like family feud.

Speaker 2:
[166:16] Sure.

Speaker 7:
[166:17] They ask a question and the highest answer of the percentage, that you get more points for a better answer.

Speaker 2:
[166:23] Well, no. You get more rare answer. Yes. Exactly. More rare answer. So yeah. There's some really good ones in there. So this is a game that comes out every single day. So you can play it every day. Anyway, let me check that out. So when I mentioned Matt Lemoine was coming to the show, Travis here was like, oh yeah, good guy. Good grid sleeper. Good grid sleeper, Matt Lemoine. Hey, Matt. So listen, thanks for coming on, Matt. I appreciate it. Life After Moto. Search it out. Good luck with this. You've had some great guests, as you mentioned earlier. So yeah, you're always really nice to me when we did interviews and when we talked and I thought, I heard you went through some rough times a few years back. Glad to see you fought through this, this podcasting and you're working. It sounds like everything's going well. So I wanted to get you on tonight.

Speaker 7:
[167:05] Yeah. Yeah, man. I appreciate you all having me on and we'll have to do it again sometime.

Speaker 2:
[167:11] Absolutely. Good luck with everything, man. And if you have any questions or if I can help you at all, just give me a text.

Speaker 7:
[167:17] Awesome. See you guys later.

Speaker 2:
[167:18] All right. Cool.

Speaker 3:
[167:18] Take care, Matt.

Speaker 2:
[167:19] That's Matt Lemoine, everybody. Yeah. Life after Motopod. Check it out. Glad to see he's doing well.

Speaker 3:
[167:23] Yeah, that's cool. That is it's that's such a hard thing to put yourself out there like that. So respect, man. 99% of people aren't doing that.

Speaker 2:
[167:31] Dude, a lot of moto guys have had a rough post career stuff. Like it really like, you know, it's just it's tough.

Speaker 3:
[167:38] Yeah. What a vibe switch, though, from Phil. I would he hit me with a little fuck you mood over when he signed off. But then we just got deep. I'm like, all right, shit, lock in. Like, I like the conversation, but I was like, I didn't come off guard for a second.

Speaker 2:
[167:50] We do it all here on the show. Pulp 20 code to save the Maxima and Pro Filter. The SC1, you get 10% more, same price. SC1 got the shirts for sale on pulpmx.com as well for those guys. Pulp 20 code to save the Pro Filter and Maxima USA. So whether it's transmission oil or MPPL or FFT, whatever it is, Pulp 20 code saves with Maxima and Pro Filter as well. Thank you to those guys. And again, fcpracing.com bringing you Matt Lemoine on the show. Let's get to a couple of calls real quick, because these guys have been a hole for a while. And then we will get to our commercial break. Nolan's on too about Prado. What's up, Nolan?

Speaker 11:
[168:26] How's it going? I was just wondering if anyone really talked about Prado going double, triple in Nashville in the sand section.

Speaker 7:
[168:34] Or sorry, double, double to the inside. Anyone really catch that?

Speaker 2:
[168:39] Double, double on the sand section.

Speaker 11:
[168:41] You know, the sand section.

Speaker 2:
[168:43] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. Yeah, a few guys did that. I saw a few guys do that.

Speaker 11:
[168:47] Really?

Speaker 2:
[168:48] Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of neat, right? Kind of cool to do that.

Speaker 7:
[168:51] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[168:53] And then Hunter was going triple to the inside from the outside, right?

Speaker 7:
[168:56] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[168:57] That was pretty neat.

Speaker 7:
[168:57] Yeah, and then Kenny started doing it.

Speaker 2:
[168:59] Yeah, it was a really neat section. It changed at the day. So.

Speaker 3:
[169:01] That was a good one.

Speaker 2:
[169:03] Yeah, Prado was sneaky good, man. Sneaky good. He had a horrible Cleveland, though.

Speaker 3:
[169:07] Yeah, he's kind of like heated off a little bit. Maybe just the length and the repetitiveness of it is kind of getting to him, but.

Speaker 2:
[169:13] So. All right.

Speaker 11:
[169:15] And then did you see Justin Hill kind of get into Webb in that section, too? Webb went to go past him and he kind of blocked the outside.

Speaker 2:
[169:22] Yeah, yeah, I did. And he ripped the corner at the same time because he's Justin Hill. And then someone said in Cleveland, I didn't see it, but someone said in Cleveland, Hill tripled in on the long rhythm.

Speaker 3:
[169:35] I don't remember. They should have it on the broadcast.

Speaker 2:
[169:37] Yeah, somebody said, hey, Hill just went triple in or maybe it was double four.

Speaker 3:
[169:42] I mean, he would.

Speaker 2:
[169:43] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[169:43] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[169:44] Yeah. So then I started watching him. I never saw him do it, but someone said he did it because, you know, if Hill in the middle of Maine, of any spark like, oh, cool, let me try this.

Speaker 3:
[169:51] Yeah. He's like, I haven't done this all day. Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[169:53] Cool, man.

Speaker 3:
[169:54] For real.

Speaker 2:
[169:55] Thanks, Nolan. Thanks for the call, man. Appreciate it.

Speaker 11:
[169:57] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[169:58] Thank you. Ethan's on one. What's up, Ethan?

Speaker 11:
[170:01] How's it going, guys?

Speaker 8:
[170:02] Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 2:
[170:03] Yeah. What's happening?

Speaker 11:
[170:05] First off, awesome hearing from an OG VIRB Moto legend like Matt Lemoine. That was amazing.

Speaker 8:
[170:11] Thanks for having him on.

Speaker 4:
[170:13] Question, you probably talked about it before.

Speaker 11:
[170:16] Which bike one-to-one do you think is better, the 2007 Pro Circuit 250 legendary bike, or I'd say the top star 250 of the past five years?

Speaker 2:
[170:30] I think Mitch's bike, dude. He pulled almost anybody out and they got on the box. Ryan Moore, Darcy Lynch.

Speaker 3:
[170:36] Are you saying like in their era or if you're taking both right now, line them up next to each other?

Speaker 2:
[170:41] In their era because Starbike would crush it now. Dude, these two of these now are doing 55 horsepower?

Speaker 3:
[170:47] Yeah, they're fast.

Speaker 2:
[170:48] 53 horsepower, it's nuts. Anyways, I'd say Pro Circuit, man, to me, they had Drino Miller who came from Toyota. He's passed away now, but he was a Toyota guy. Mitch hired him. Mitch didn't know much about four strokes. Mitch hires Drino and dude, the gap with those PC250s like Ivan Tedesco Days and Darcy Lange and BT and those dudes, that was another level to me.

Speaker 3:
[171:12] There's a YouTube video. I literally just watched this like three days ago. That's like literally the history of Pro Circuit.

Speaker 2:
[171:18] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[171:19] Look it up. It's badass. It covers the whole thing exactly what you're talking about. It's so sick. Yeah. You could put me or you on that bike, Matthes, we're at least going to be in the hunt.

Speaker 2:
[171:27] He kind of did, right? Just like Darcy Land's got a filling ride, almost won the title. Ryan Morris was also in the championship contender. Dude, yeah, it seemed like anybody put on that bike, right?

Speaker 3:
[171:36] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[171:37] So I'm going to go PC.

Speaker 11:
[171:38] They were insane.

Speaker 2:
[171:39] Yeah. Ethan, I'm on it.

Speaker 11:
[171:39] I think Townley even said in the interview one time, it was like legal cheating or something like that.

Speaker 2:
[171:44] They were good. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 11:
[171:46] I've been wanting to ask that. And I got one more thing. I think a couple months ago, you mentioned this about your MLB the show addiction. I don't mean to pull you into gamer corner or anything, but I just want to let you know you're not alone. It's a slippery slope, very dangerous.

Speaker 2:
[172:00] Yeah. I was also much heavier back then, Ethan, which I think is related to the MLB show stuff. But yes, I had a franchise and I went, dude, six seasons deep of 162 games or something.

Speaker 3:
[172:14] Are you playing every game?

Speaker 2:
[172:15] Playing every day of the season.

Speaker 3:
[172:17] Oh, that's insane. Yeah, that's deep.

Speaker 2:
[172:19] It would be like 9 p.m. to midnight almost every night.

Speaker 3:
[172:24] There's so many stats in there too.

Speaker 2:
[172:26] And I'm into that. I'm into the counting stats and drafting guys. And dude, I got out of hand.

Speaker 3:
[172:33] If you're playing every double A and single A, triple A game, you need to get locked up. No, I wasn't doing that.

Speaker 2:
[172:37] Just MLB. But yeah, thanks, Ethan. Marks are just losers. I was into it.

Speaker 3:
[172:41] Yeah, thanks, guys.

Speaker 2:
[172:42] Have a good night. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. All right, commercial break. We ripped through the guesses. The way the timing worked out. Jelly, Phil, Billy Hartle, Christian Craig, Matt Lemoine, Lars. Muto needs a break. He needs some food.

Speaker 3:
[172:58] Yeah, I'm hungry.

Speaker 2:
[172:59] We got the segments coming up. I want to talk to Muto a little bit about his career path. I got some Barrex questions. We also get into the Racetech Rant, the Beta USA. I don't know, man. Do you have these segments?

Speaker 3:
[173:11] I got a little note section. I showed up prepared this time.

Speaker 2:
[173:14] Great. Good to know. Yeah, we're going to talk more about Supercross Series and everything else that's going on. Right back after this commercial break, everybody.

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[173:22] Hey, Phil, give me a kiss, baby.

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Speaker 16:
[188:57] I'm Cooper Webb, and I choose OGO.

Speaker 6:
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Speaker 7:
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Speaker 6:
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Speaker 13:
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Speaker 2:
[194:46] Yeah, welcome back everybody to the Pulp MX show presented by motorsport.com, Fly Racing and Decal Works, flyracing.com, Pulp MX code to save, Decal MX is Pulp MX 26 code to save with those guys. Still got some segments coming up here on the show. I want to thank all of our guests that called in early, the Jam Pack lineup, driving the co-captains chair by himself this week on the Pulp MX show, Taylor Muto. Oh, there we go. Skip Norfolk, Huddle, Brewco.

Speaker 3:
[195:13] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[195:14] Nice.

Speaker 3:
[195:14] That's the only thing I'm drinking here is. Huddle, Brewco.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 3:
[196:11] The effort's there.

Speaker 2:
[196:12] The effort is there. And dude, he is taking some big ones. So Davies can clinch. Landon Gordon, dude. So they'll never say it. And hindsight is obviously 20-20. But at some point, someone at Star probably will. Let's face it. Probably will. Said, Dundee's good to go. Gordon is not. I mean, Gordon did have a futures crash or whatever. But again, like a little bit of like head scratching.

Speaker 3:
[196:44] Well, I think obviously now, yeah. But in the futures, he was getting bad starts. So he wasn't able to like show his speed during the race, I feel like. Like he would obviously catch up with those guys. But like at first, I wouldn't have assumed, like, and I'm a fan of the guy. Like I've known him since he was a kid. And it was like, I wouldn't have expected this. But then when you see it, it's like, oh, well clearly it's there, you know? So yeah, very impressive. 805, Atascadero Local. Oh yeah? Very local. Yeah. Yeah. Another heavy hitter coming out of the 805 area.

Speaker 2:
[197:15] I'm an 805 guy.

Speaker 3:
[197:16] Yeah. Got the number of area code to prove it.

Speaker 2:
[197:20] But so the Dudney thing, yeah, I mean, he's going to be really good outdoors. Daniel Blair is big on Dudney and outdoor speed and he's young. But yeah, he didn't really perform that well and they should have maybe put line to Gordon.

Speaker 3:
[197:35] Yeah. It was odd. Yeah. That's a weird way to do it too. Just like, oh yeah, a couple more races. But I did want to give him credit though, because it seemed like as the track got worse, he got faster. Maybe he didn't have the top, was he in B practice or A? Because I know he qualified well.

Speaker 2:
[197:52] In Nashville, he was in B the first one, then they moved him to A.

Speaker 3:
[197:55] So he qualified out of A this weekend? I wasn't sure if he was B or not, I didn't watch it. But it seemed like maybe he doesn't have the... If 100% and 100% wasn't the same. But dude, he was wheeling through those whoops. When the track got trickier, they kind of dropped off and he was like, I'm going to keep doing my laps. Yeah, very, very impressive ride out of him.

Speaker 2:
[198:15] Yeah, it was great. It was really good to see. And again, the star Yamaha crushed it all weekend.

Speaker 3:
[198:19] Yeah, shocker.

Speaker 2:
[198:20] No thanks to Will.

Speaker 3:
[198:21] Yeah, no, not Will.

Speaker 2:
[198:22] Good job Jensen, good job Rich, those guys.

Speaker 3:
[198:26] I love Will, man. Yeah, he just sent me a random meme this morning or whatever and I just delivered some on the back of love you and I just got an I love you back.

Speaker 2:
[198:33] And did he know you were coming on the show?

Speaker 3:
[198:36] Probably at that point, yeah. I would just go up to him at the Paula and stuff and like was be like, hey, like, hey, how's it going Will? Like just because I was always a fan of him.

Speaker 2:
[198:44] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[198:44] And whenever like the me and Colt thing for World Supercross, sorry happened, Colt like reached, hey, do you know this guy? He's like, no, not really. But he'd always come say hi to me at the track. So he's like, he's a really nice guy. Like that paid off.

Speaker 2:
[198:56] That was his, yeah, that was his move. Look at that.

Speaker 3:
[198:58] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[198:59] That's great to have that. 805, sorry, 805, 702-586-7857, give us a call. Got a question about beta, question about anything. Look, the LCQ points are raring up and we are deciding we're going to Friday afternoon race in Salt Lake City. You can win a 2026 YZ450 and we are behind a little bit from years past people. So please get in there. We got 23 great prizes. Prime Foods distributing gift pack and Guts Racing and FXR and Fly and if you don't win the Omaha, we got a lot of other cool shit to give out. So please go to PulpMXcom. All the money goes to privateers. So I announced Crockett Myers as one of the wild cards a few weeks ago. I am now ready to announce another one.

Speaker 3:
[199:42] No, do you got a drum roll? Mark's fucking already quit. He left. So yeah, no drum roll.

Speaker 2:
[199:47] Since he saw you, yeah, he put his resignation in.

Speaker 3:
[199:50] Yeah, I don't blame him.

Speaker 2:
[199:52] Second 250 wild card rider, going to pick five, Preston Massieangelo. Preston Massieangelo. He's been doing well. And a fellow Canadian. He's been the best he ever has in super cards this year. So I thought I would give the kid a chance. So he's the second wild card for 250 class.

Speaker 3:
[200:10] There's a little theme here because both Crockett and Preston were arm army kids, 85s, and like when they were amateurs.

Speaker 2:
[200:17] I have no idea.

Speaker 3:
[200:18] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[200:18] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[200:19] Yeah. So you get, there's a little theme showing up here.

Speaker 2:
[200:21] Yellow magic.

Speaker 3:
[200:22] Yeah. Catch the fever.

Speaker 2:
[200:23] Yeah, absolutely. MTX braking. Thank you to those guys. I just put some in my road bike. They work great. They got mountain bike brake pads as well. Do you want these for your bike? Do we need to get you some?

Speaker 3:
[200:33] I haven't rode it enough to need them.

Speaker 2:
[200:35] Oh, sad.

Speaker 3:
[200:35] But no, we're getting there. We're logging miles. We're back.

Speaker 2:
[200:38] I see you on social. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[200:40] We're back. I was sick for like a month, dude. I was out.

Speaker 2:
[200:42] Are we on Strava?

Speaker 3:
[200:43] Yeah, we're on Strava. I think I followed you. It's cool. Phil doesn't follow me on Instagram. You don't follow me on Strava.

Speaker 2:
[200:47] Phil doesn't follow you on Instagram?

Speaker 3:
[200:49] Fuck no. He can't now. He can't. The beep's real. It's on site when I see Phil.

Speaker 2:
[200:54] Oh, here we go. Oh, your profile is private.

Speaker 3:
[200:57] Well, yeah, come on. I can't be giving out those numbers, dude. I'm an athlete now.

Speaker 2:
[201:00] Well, I just requested you, so we'll see what happens.

Speaker 3:
[201:03] Yeah, I'll see if I can. I'll review it later.

Speaker 2:
[201:05] MTX braking code PULPMEX when saving over 2,000 stores, they got them in now. Paul Peribino is using MTX braking to get like seventh in some UCI Italy downhill thing.

Speaker 3:
[201:15] Really?

Speaker 2:
[201:15] Yeah, Paul crushed it.

Speaker 3:
[201:16] Daniel, Paul P was a dog.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 3:
[201:50] Throw one in.

Speaker 2:
[201:50] I've... No, those are the devil's things.

Speaker 3:
[201:54] Marks?

Speaker 2:
[201:56] Is that like tobacco?

Speaker 3:
[201:58] Nicotine.

Speaker 2:
[201:58] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[201:59] Performance enhancing.

Speaker 2:
[202:01] Yeah. I tried DIP one time, 1996. I thought it was cool because Jeremy did it.

Speaker 3:
[202:07] It is cool.

Speaker 2:
[202:07] So then I thought it was cool to see Jeremy do it and spit and all that. And I put it in and I couldn't keep it in there and it got everywhere and I threw up.

Speaker 3:
[202:13] No, yeah, no. It's the first time you're going to feel something.

Speaker 2:
[202:16] Dude, it was not good. I've never touched it since.

Speaker 13:
[202:18] How strong are you up to? Sixes, nines?

Speaker 3:
[202:21] Well, I'm not an addict. I just take it at the sixes, you know.

Speaker 13:
[202:24] I'm going to do a three. I do a six and I want to throw up.

Speaker 2:
[202:28] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[202:28] That's how we're staying there.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 3:
[203:00] I got two.

Speaker 2:
[203:00] I'm going to lose people with mine, so let's start with you first.

Speaker 3:
[203:03] We'll give them a slow burn.

Speaker 2:
[203:04] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[203:05] I got two. Number one, one week off in a 17 race series is a fucking joke. It's a joke.

Speaker 2:
[203:15] Would you rather have one week off or two weeks before the national start?

Speaker 3:
[203:22] I just think we need more. There needs to be at least two. Regardless, there still should be a two week break for outdoors. We ain't got nothing going on. The fans aren't going to leave.

Speaker 2:
[203:33] So okay, let me tell you this. We had another week off until they started pushing it. People didn't want to be right after New Year's, right? And I agree with that. It's nice to have that first week in January because you got Christmas, you got New Year's. We used to go right into the first round. So now we don't do that. And that's why we lost a week off.

Speaker 3:
[203:53] But why can't we just push everything else back?

Speaker 2:
[203:56] Because Desnations is never going to lose their date. And SMX goes right up against Desnations.

Speaker 3:
[204:01] It does. It is close.

Speaker 2:
[204:05] And we're not losing races. There needs to be less races.

Speaker 3:
[204:08] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[204:09] That's the bottom line. We are the most dangerous motorsport there is. And outside of NASCAR, we have the most races. It doesn't make sense. No team keeps everybody healthy. They're spending millions of dollars of riders on the sideline. And I thought we were going to get less races. And then we went and added two more with SMX. I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 3:
[204:28] Yeah. Because that extra week will just give, if a guy's hurt, that can maybe get that guy back sooner. It gives everyone on the team a break. I just think it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2:
[204:39] I'm with you, man, but it's not changing, dude.

Speaker 3:
[204:41] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[204:41] I know.

Speaker 3:
[204:42] And then next thing, 450 outdoor points per moto has got to go. It's got to go. Because it's ridiculous that someone is going to skip supercross in a 450 and just race all the outdoors. And they're in the playoffs. I got it. And I'm saying this to someone that's going to benefit us. If we make the playoffs, it will obviously only be because of outdoors.

Speaker 2:
[205:03] Why don't they just take your 17 best? That's what I don't get. Seventeen supercrosses take your 17 best motos.

Speaker 3:
[205:10] That's not a bad way to look. But you still, though, you need to... You can go motos or I think it should be... I guess motos would be fine.

Speaker 2:
[205:18] No, because it'll be 17 and 11. And now you got guys in supercross getting in. It needs to be equal. It shouldn't be 17 and 22. That's what it is now.

Speaker 3:
[205:26] Yeah. It's a joke.

Speaker 2:
[205:29] Yeah, I agree. You got guys that are outdoor specialists. Valentin Giyotte, great guy. But he walks into SMX and you're like, wait, some good guys didn't get in.

Speaker 3:
[205:40] Yeah, because I like that he's able to do that. But I like your idea even better than just making it just 25 for each day. Because then you get his 17 best motos and this is the 17 best races he did. And he still might get in because of that. But it seems like well more earned.

Speaker 2:
[205:59] Just make it equal to Supercross.

Speaker 3:
[206:00] Yeah, because Supercross is obviously the more premier series, clearly. And I don't want outdoors going anywhere. But yeah, because then that kind of saves outdoors. And people say, I'm not going to do outdoors.

Speaker 2:
[206:12] It does help. It has helped. Look at Colt driving to Washougal on his van to go get some points, right? Justin Hill showed up. I like that. I like that. Because for years, people would just skip the outdoors. But I agree, it shouldn't be 17 to 22, because that's how it is now. 11 rounds, two motos a day. It needs to be equal.

Speaker 3:
[206:31] I'll give you a third one for free, too. 250 points being, they should go back to being half points. That's the dumbest shit ever.

Speaker 2:
[206:38] It's the dumbest rule in the sport. The fact that you can say a fifth... The fact that... Here. The fact... Oh, see, this is going to come across as I'm shitting on them, okay? But I got to do it. Derek Kelly, and I like Derek Kelly, he got eighth in Cleveland. Justin Hill got eighth in the 450 class.

Speaker 3:
[206:59] It's not the same.

Speaker 2:
[207:00] It is not even fucking on the same planet.

Speaker 3:
[207:03] You can't race half the competition and it count for the same.

Speaker 2:
[207:06] It's not even the same fucking planet, man.

Speaker 3:
[207:08] Because you don't want to get rid of the coast, because that gives people rides, that gives people opportunities to get better.

Speaker 2:
[207:13] Yeah. The fact that they give 250 Supercross guys full points is obscene.

Speaker 3:
[207:18] Like how many 250 guys are lower in number than Benny and Mitchell, and could never go to the 450 class and do what they do. I don't want to call people out by name because it's not their fault.

Speaker 2:
[207:28] Please do.

Speaker 3:
[207:29] But it's just like, yeah, it takes away from us as a team. We have two badass riders. Like, Benny and Mitchell are badass riders, and they're number 52 and 54. Like in the outdoors plays into that too. That is a part of it. But no, we're not getting the extra points there. But yeah, I just think that's stupid.

Speaker 2:
[207:47] It's insane. And you know who got that rule changed? There's a bunch of 250 Supercross team owners.

Speaker 3:
[207:52] Really? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[207:52] They're the ones who went there and say, hey, we need points for our guys so that fans can identify them and everything else. How about they identify them when they get to the fucking real class?

Speaker 3:
[207:59] Yeah. And they're going to know who they are because they're going to win and they're going to be like, oh, that guy's a dog. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[208:03] It's absolutely.

Speaker 3:
[208:04] It's supposed to be the feeder series.

Speaker 2:
[208:06] Taylor Muto, this is first time co-hosting and I agree with all those points. Those are excellent points.

Speaker 3:
[208:09] I texted you earlier. I said, did we just become best friends? You kind of left me hanging there, but. Maybe I did.

Speaker 2:
[208:14] All right. My race tech rant. Look, if you're not into other sports, you can just fast forward or whatever, but Marks will appreciate this. And Pookie has been hearing about this for a week and she's over it.

Speaker 3:
[208:28] I'm a sports guy, so I'm here for it. Let's go.

Speaker 2:
[208:30] Race tech rant of the night, the Toronto Maple Leafs. Look, they had a horrible year this year. They dropped from... They had the biggest drop in points in franchise history from one year to the next. The bottom completely fell out of this year. So their ex-general manager thought that trading for a defensive defenseman from Boston last year for the cup run that never happened would be a good idea. And the guy did play well.

Speaker 3:
[209:00] That's not the deficiency the team had though.

Speaker 2:
[209:03] They, the general manager said it'll be a top five protected pick. It's first round draft pick, top five protected. Everyone gives a top ten protected pick. Everyone does. That's just what you do. In case shit goes sideways and you end up bottoming out, then at least you keep your pick if it's in the top ten because yeah, they just do that. So I googled in the last 15 years, there's been two trades that are top five protected. And there's been like ten trades that are top ten protected. Well, guess who did the top five protected trades? The Toronto Maple Leafs. Because of course, because whatever could go wrong does go wrong. So they're top five protected. So they have a completely garbage year this year, not top ten, top five. Completely garbage year this year. They finish fifth worst. If they had gotten one less point, they would have been third worst. But nope, they probably somewhere along the line, they had to get that one fucking point. So now they're fifth worst, but there's a draft lottery. And the lottery favors the Leafs to have the sixth or higher pick by six percentage points. Forty-four percent, they're fifth and lower. And if they're fifth place, they keep their pick. They're sixth and up, they lose their pick. Normally, this would be a top ten protected pick because every other fucking general manager does that, except for the Leafs.

Speaker 3:
[210:26] Explain real quick, what's the difference?

Speaker 2:
[210:29] Well, if you finish one of the ten worst teams in the league, you keep your first round draft pick.

Speaker 3:
[210:34] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[210:35] Because it says protected. So then you roll it over to the next year. So the team that gets that pick doesn't get the pick and it rolls to the next year. The Leafs, though, for only the second time in 20 years, decided to only top five protect their pick and it bit them or could bit them. The odds favor it biting them. So after sucking, they're not even going to get their first round draft pick, which is a great player at that pick, you know, number five is a good player. And only the Leafs could do a trade that gets them only top five protection. Only the Leafs can probably, the draft lottery is in two weeks, the fucking hockey gods, because they always shit on the Maple Leafs. Marks, what are the chances it's sixth overall? It will be sixth overall, which is the very possibly worst pick that they could lose, and Boston will get it, based on this trade last year, and all will be right in Leafland, because they will get fucked over by their own ineptitude by not protecting the pick for the top ten, like everybody else. It's insane.

Speaker 3:
[211:48] Did they save money by doing this?

Speaker 2:
[211:49] No, no, I just...

Speaker 3:
[211:51] There's no logical reason to do this.

Speaker 2:
[211:52] They asked the general manager, why didn't you top ten protect it? And he said, ah, that's the best I could do. Cool, man. Like, the guy that he traded for isn't even that good. He's fine, but whatever. The point being is you just know, in the sad sack history of the Toronto Maple Leafs, that this pick will be number six on the draft lottery, and Boston will get it. And you just know there will be no reward for the absolute garbage season that they had, because that is the life of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Yep. That's my race tech round of the night. They couldn't top ten protect their pick. Yep, Marks, you agree?

Speaker 4:
[212:32] You guys are doing great.

Speaker 10:
[212:33] I just want to say.

Speaker 2:
[212:34] That's it.

Speaker 10:
[212:35] Thanks for Marner, too, by the way.

Speaker 2:
[212:37] I don't care about Marner. But anyways, it's just like, I'm not, I'm just, I'm just, it's fucking, like, of course they didn't top ten protect their pick. Of course, the odds favor the number six pick. And of course, Boston's going to get the very best possible player by the stupid fucking trade that Toronto Maple Leafs made.

Speaker 3:
[212:55] As soon as you saw that trade, you knew. You knew it was going to happen when it was top five.

Speaker 2:
[212:59] No, no, no. Honestly, I didn't because they were really good last year. So they were not going to be as good this year. I knew that. Did I know they were going to bottom out this bad? No, no way. No one did. But at least if they had bottomed out this bad, you're like, wow, they got their first round pick. No, they don't. It's going to Boston. I fucking guarantee it. The Leafs will get number six. Boston will get the pick. The Leafs will get fuck all for this horrendous trade. And Muto, we don't have enough time or enough people interested. But I can go back to other trades that have completely backfired on them. Like I'll go back to 1991, if you want, when they traded in 1990 the first round draft pick.

Speaker 3:
[213:42] I'm a Dolphins fan, man. I get it. I get it.

Speaker 2:
[213:45] I mean, you haven't seen much since Marino.

Speaker 3:
[213:47] No. No. I've watched Deion Jordan get drafted and he was gone in three years. Paid two of 50 million dollars. We're just going to eat a 93 million dollar cap hit next year. Yeah. No, sports suck sometimes. Dude.

Speaker 2:
[214:01] And it's just like, I don't know why I do this to myself, but just kicked in the balls by this team year after year after year. And they're not going to get this pick. I just know it. I know it in my heart. 44% chance they get fifth or lower, which they keep the pick.

Speaker 3:
[214:19] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[214:19] 56% chance they lose the pick. It will be the 56%.

Speaker 3:
[214:23] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[214:24] It will. It just will. So, yeah, welcome to that. The fucking general manager couldn't top 10 protect the pick. He just couldn't do it. Two picks in 20 years. Two teams have done trades that are only top five protected. New Jersey did it and Toronto did it. Good job, guys. Great work.

Speaker 8:
[214:42] I just want to hear the motocross stuff.

Speaker 2:
[214:44] I agree. All right. That's my race tech round of the night. racetech.com. Please follow that along.

Speaker 3:
[214:49] All right.

Speaker 2:
[214:50] Beta USA, I don't know man. Segment.

Speaker 3:
[214:53] I don't know man.

Speaker 2:
[214:54] I don't know man. I don't know man. I don't know man. I mean, I don't know man. Listen, I got words to read about Beta Muto, but you tell us about Beta. You go ahead.

Speaker 3:
[215:03] Well, you know, Beta usa.com and Beta is the longest family owned motorcycle company in the world since I believe 1905. And at the core of that is rideability, which means it is a good performing platform that anybody from Joe Blow to top superstars in the sport, like Mitchell Oldenburg, can ride the same motorcycle and get the same performance out of it.

Speaker 2:
[215:28] Head to betausa.com and if you're anybody but Billy Hartle, try the 352 stroke.

Speaker 3:
[215:33] We're going to have to check those numbers, Billy, all right? I'll get back to you.

Speaker 2:
[215:35] Check those numbers, Billy. But no, the 352 stroke, like you said, it's flying off the shelf.

Speaker 3:
[215:40] Yeah, no, it literally is like...

Speaker 2:
[215:42] Can they get more or like...

Speaker 3:
[215:44] I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[215:45] I know you're not...

Speaker 3:
[215:46] I don't know how logistically it works. Like, I think it... Like, I think they just order X amount every year, you know? So, but yeah, everything I've heard of is like, they're just flying off the shelves, which is cool. You know, it's cool to see people, A, just interested in two-stroke like that. And then, selfishly, from a company standpoint, like, it's good for us, obviously. But yeah, no, they're just... If you can get one, get one. If you can get out to it, if you go on our website, betausa.com, we have something called a DemoPod program, which is we ship dealerships that sign up for it. We ship them. I think it's like every single model that we have. And it's just basically like a ride day. Like, you can sign up for it through your dealer and you go up there, we have the 350 there, we have the 450 there, we have a 390. We have all our off-road brands there and you can just go and just ride them and test drive a motorcycle.

Speaker 2:
[216:37] Mark, did you ever do this at your place? Your beta shop?

Speaker 13:
[216:40] I don't think you're asking Mark's that, but yeah, we did it. We did.

Speaker 2:
[216:44] The guy, you, what's your name?

Speaker 13:
[216:45] Talon.

Speaker 2:
[216:45] Okay, Talon.

Speaker 13:
[216:46] We did one at Mesquite with a St. George dealer and then we've done a couple like with our own dealer. Beta guy. I think they sent out like six bikes, one of each variety basically.

Speaker 2:
[216:58] That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3:
[216:59] You don't get to go test ride a motorcycle most of the time before you go buy it. So that's a good opportunity to at least ride it and like you go buy a car, you're not just go buy a car before you test drive it.

Speaker 2:
[217:08] So I'll tell you what, if I had a buddy with Beta, I would pop that button every time for the seat.

Speaker 3:
[217:12] Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:
[217:13] Just for fun.

Speaker 3:
[217:13] Oh yeah. It's hot. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[217:15] betausa.com. I don't know man segment. I'll start if you want because Muto, I would like your advice on this because this was a hot topic in the press box and amongst my friends and group texts and opinion is sort of divided.

Speaker 3:
[217:28] And we're not friends, so it's good to get an outside perspective.

Speaker 2:
[217:30] It is. Absolutely. Okay. So this is on the LVK show today. They talked about it with Phil so I can probably. So okay. So Eli Tomac is not that happy with me over things I've said about him. I'm not winning championships and being old.

Speaker 3:
[217:45] And this year or just I think just the last little while.

Speaker 2:
[217:48] Because he's come on the show a bunch, but he hasn't really responded to the texts. He's not, I've heard through the grapevine, not that happy with my opinion of him and I don't care. Like whatever, sorry, man, I do what I do. Like it's got nothing personal, right? So yeah, so then he lashes out at Lewis. I haven't had a chance to talk to him. He ignored me at a restaurant one time and I'm like, oh, like I felt like kind of like what JT did to you.

Speaker 3:
[218:16] Yeah, there's real heat there. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[218:17] Right.

Speaker 3:
[218:17] Just like JT did.

Speaker 2:
[218:18] But we did have John on the show earlier this year. John, great interview. John's a nice guy. All of that. And I like Eli. There's nothing personal against Eli. He doesn't like doing a lot of media. I get it. But I felt like he's done good interviews on this show before. And maybe if he didn't like something I said, he would actually yell at me on the show, which is even better. I don't know. I've been yelled at by a lot of people.

Speaker 3:
[218:37] There's a lot of personality in there that nobody really gets to see.

Speaker 2:
[218:41] So you saw the tweet to Lewis, I assume?

Speaker 3:
[218:45] No.

Speaker 2:
[218:45] Oh, you didn't. You don't know anything about this?

Speaker 3:
[218:48] He tweeted at Lewis?

Speaker 2:
[218:49] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[218:50] Oh, God. No. Fill me in.

Speaker 2:
[218:51] Really, Muto? Okay. So after Nashville, someone asked Lewis, did Eli talk? Lewis said, barely. Ha ha. Because he barely talked to the team. I see where Eli got a little mad at that. I don't think Lewis' response was-

Speaker 3:
[219:09] Tomek barely spoke to the team?

Speaker 2:
[219:11] Yes. Lewis says that he meant it more like he barely just spoke to the team, so I haven't had a chance to talk about what's gone wrong at Nashville.

Speaker 3:
[219:21] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[219:21] But I read it and Kellen read it like he barely spoke to the team.

Speaker 3:
[219:25] Yeah, it could be interpreted that way for sure.

Speaker 2:
[219:27] Then Lewis followed up on LOL on the tweet. So Eli gives them both barrels on Twitter. He says, you're spewing garbage. I talked to Steph, Jade, Ian. You're a hack, he called him. So whatever. So Eli gave him both barrels.

Speaker 3:
[219:48] He pops off on Twitter.

Speaker 2:
[219:49] He does because he's done it to me. I wasn't stoked that he did to me, but at the same time, whatever, that's fine. Like I don't care. It's odd that he only gets angry at his bad rides. He never interacts with anybody on Twitter outside of when he has something to unleash.

Speaker 3:
[220:04] I love that little bit of pettiness in there.

Speaker 2:
[220:07] Anyway, so last Monday, I defend Lewis on here a little bit and just say, Eli's got every right to tweet back that his information is wrong and that he did speak to the team. Eli's got 100 percent right for that, but I didn't like calling him a hack and spewing garbage. To me, that's a little much. It's taken a personal.

Speaker 3:
[220:25] Yeah. It's a deep cut.

Speaker 2:
[220:27] But absolutely correct him. But I just didn't like that. That was my race tech rant last week. I would tell Eli that. I said, if I got a chance to talk to him about it, whatever, blah, blah, blah. So our relationship already isn't good. Then I'm stepping up for last week to say, I don't think you should have made it personal, Eli.

Speaker 3:
[220:47] Yeah. So probably sent that to Eli.

Speaker 2:
[220:49] I don't know. But flying to Cleveland, layover in Denver, first class upgrade, bulkhead. I'm not a talker on the planes. I have noise-councing headphones. I'm in my zone. I got a hood up a lot of times.

Speaker 3:
[221:07] Unless there's a Q-check next to you, then.

Speaker 2:
[221:09] Not even that. Yeah. But I'm just not, like I just, I mean, leave me alone.

Speaker 3:
[221:14] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[221:14] I'm doing my thing. Reading, listening to podcasts, or I sleep or whatever. I'm sitting in the plane and whatever, somebody sits next to me, 10 minutes into the flight, I look over, it's Eli. He's next to me in first class.

Speaker 3:
[221:30] Oh, I love that.

Speaker 2:
[221:31] Two hours and 40 minutes, Denver to Cleveland. So, it takes me 10 to 50 minutes before I realize it's Eli. And I've sat next to him on flights before. Yeah. I go to Denver United.

Speaker 3:
[221:44] It's going to happen.

Speaker 2:
[221:44] And he's United. So I've sat next to him on flights before. We have chatted very minimally, but it's been friendly and then we both put our headphones on and we do our thing. And we've also sat in the gate before with John, Kathy, Eli, me, all of that, many times. But now I did the Race Tech rant. And now I know he hasn't texted me for a long time. And now I know he doesn't. He blew me off in December. And there's something going on where he's not stoked with me. And now I'm in my head, Muto. Do I talk to him? Beta, I don't know, man. Beta USA, I don't know, man. I didn't notice him because I got on first. And I had a hood up. But he would have noticed me, right?

Speaker 3:
[222:26] More than likely, yes.

Speaker 2:
[222:27] You come in, you see Pulp MX idiot right there.

Speaker 3:
[222:31] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[222:33] So now I'm like, that was his chance to be like, hey, man, what's up or anything. Poke me in the shoulder. I don't know. He's not a big guy, like a big friendly guy like that. But yeah, he saw me first. And I'm like, OK, now what do I do? Well, he saw me first and chose not to engage. We have all this other history going on. Literally five days ago, I was ranting about maybe keeping it a little more professional in his replies. And now Muto, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. What should I have done?

Speaker 3:
[223:10] That's a tough one. That's a tough. If you're going to say something, you've got to wait until like almost when you land. So there's not an awkward pause of like, because if you guys beef out on the plane.

Speaker 2:
[223:25] There's no real beef though with me.

Speaker 3:
[223:27] Well, say you piss him off even more. And then you got to go like take a leak. He ain't standing up. He's not letting you out. So that's a whole other thing you've got to think about in this situation. That matters.

Speaker 2:
[223:38] Here's what happened. Nothing. Not a word was exchanged. We both focused forward. And I didn't know what to do. And I was like, well, this guy probably doesn't really fucking like me right now. He probably heard about this rant, right? Because the industry is small.

Speaker 3:
[223:54] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[223:54] And I don't know what to do. And he saw me first. And he chose to not engage. And so he had his chance. And now for me, he didn't choose to not engage. He chose to not engage. Now for me to be like, hey, man, how you doing? How's the body or whatever? Yeah, I'm not going to do that. So we did nothing, man. And the group texts and the friends are like, this is like the Civil War. They are, they are divided. There's friends of mine that are like, you're an idiot. You need to say, hey, man, what's going on? What's our deal? You know, like what's your problem? And there's friends that are like, no, dude, you just, you just focus forward. So it's quite a beta USA. I don't know, man.

Speaker 3:
[224:42] That's a tough one. I mean, I feel like it either, there's no wrong choice there, but then it's like, okay, if you don't care enough to talk to them about it, then it can't be that big of a deal. Like, all right, okay, this is just severed. You know, like it's just, yeah, like whatever, like he'll get on without me and I'll get on without him. Yeah, and maybe it'll come back around. Like that's fine. But then also it probably wouldn't have hurt to be like, hey, man, I just want to like, you know, like I want to make sure like we're understanding on the same page, like no need to apologize. Like this is where I come from. Like there's no wrong, there's no wrong move there. But it's just like how, like if you're here, like I don't know why he fucking hates me all the time, then it's like you're kind of an asshole because you could have just talked to him and asked him right there. You know?

Speaker 2:
[225:23] Yeah. Yeah. There's no, there's no wrong answer. And to be clear, when I have flown next to him in the past, we have barely talked, but we've at least exchanged a few sentences because he's not, you know, a, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[225:36] Now, then that was the right move to not say anything then because it's like, yeah, like you guys, it's not like you guys are chumming it up in two-hour flights.

Speaker 13:
[225:43] No, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2:
[225:44] He's not a chum it up guy.

Speaker 3:
[225:45] I feel like that's the respectful thing to do is to not, like he's flying out to go do his job. Yeah, like, I get it.

Speaker 2:
[225:52] Yeah, like, listen, man, he doesn't need to get involved in media shit or with me or anything like, you know, so hey, we're just, and again, I kept going back. I was, I was texting people this and kind of holding my, I'm like, he had a chance to say hi to me. I didn't notice it.

Speaker 3:
[226:05] What did I do?

Speaker 2:
[226:06] I really didn't notice him. You know what I mean? Like I for real didn't look up and we, we didn't make eye contact or anything.

Speaker 3:
[226:12] Now I feel like that was a respectful thing to do. Cause you had him cornered. Here's nowhere you can go. Like, it's not like you approached him at the pits and he could walk away, be like, nah, I don't want to talk to you. I think you did the right thing.

Speaker 2:
[226:22] All right. Well, there's a lot of people that said, I'm an idiot for that.

Speaker 3:
[226:25] Well, there's a lot of idiots calling people idiots.

Speaker 10:
[226:27] Give your balls a tug, you TedFocker.

Speaker 2:
[226:30] Isaac wants to talk about this. He's on three. LVK listener, no doubt. What's up, Isaac?

Speaker 5:
[226:35] How you doing, Steve?

Speaker 2:
[226:36] Good.

Speaker 5:
[226:38] So I want to talk about the...

Speaker 3:
[226:38] That's fine, Isaac. I'm OK.

Speaker 5:
[226:43] So they were talking about, you know, Tomac and him being injured and what not.

Speaker 7:
[226:50] But, you know, the guy's on his last leg here.

Speaker 4:
[226:54] So what else is he supposed to do?

Speaker 1:
[226:57] Now gets injured, he's on his way out.

Speaker 5:
[226:58] And then everybody talks about him like he's, you know, dead and gone. I mean, look what he did this year. I mean, how are you going to go against that?

Speaker 2:
[227:07] Yeah, I mean, he looked really good this year. Yeah, until this latest thing, yeah. You know? So, yeah, I don't know where you're getting at here. He definitely was better than I thought he would be, Isaac, for sure. The guy crushed it, you know? But I don't know what's been going on the last month.

Speaker 5:
[227:21] I think he looked good at the beginning of the year, but yeah, he definitely fell off. I mean, still a legend of the sport.

Speaker 4:
[227:26] He came over on with him.

Speaker 2:
[227:27] Yeah, no, no, legend, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[227:30] But they also talked about on the talent show that between the Pro Circuit and then the Yamaha, they compared them, both teams, which didn't make sense to me, because Pro Circuit at the time, I mean, what Mitch did with the team, and you know how it went, I mean, he was bringing riders over from Europe and everything else. I mean, you're talking with legitimate riders and stuff like that. I mean, people who just wanted a fast bike. And Star Yamaha has gone out of their way now to make those changes, to have those riders, I mean, to make everybody comfortable. But I don't even think they're close to Pro Circuit at this time.

Speaker 2:
[228:07] Did those two idiots actually add up stats and wins and titles and stuff? Did they actually have that? I'd be interested to see what that would be.

Speaker 5:
[228:14] I don't think they even did, to be honest.

Speaker 3:
[228:18] What's your point with the riders though? Where are you getting at with that?

Speaker 5:
[228:21] Well, I mean, so they had Tommy, Villa Poto, Porcel. Porcel, very crafty, very good racer. Ryan was also, well, no matter what happened, I mean, he rode that bike as fast as he could. Pally, same thing, rode that pace. But, I mean, they had those bikes. Like, they could set up even close, but that engine package was everything. And they never fought for, you know, oh, I need this or that. But now when you go to start, they're like, oh, we need to all ride together. We need to figure this out.

Speaker 7:
[228:56] It needs to be a team.

Speaker 5:
[228:57] We care about people's feelings.

Speaker 7:
[228:59] This is not the same thing anymore.

Speaker 2:
[229:02] Yeah, yeah, okay, got it.

Speaker 3:
[229:04] I don't know, man.

Speaker 2:
[229:04] Yeah. No, I got it. So you're team Pro Circuit, Isaac.

Speaker 5:
[229:09] I would say so. I mean, I guess younger riders don't have the ethic that, you know, those guys did.

Speaker 2:
[229:19] All right, man. Thanks for the call. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Speaker 11:
[229:23] Cool story, Hassel.

Speaker 2:
[229:24] I don't really get where he was going with that.

Speaker 3:
[229:26] Yeah, I know. I was trying to feed him there. Like, hey, what's the point? Like, we're going to start naming off riders. Star's got some pretty good riders, too.

Speaker 2:
[229:34] Roach is on, too. What's up, Roach?

Speaker 11:
[229:38] Hey, I got a little interesting tidbit for you before I get into Eli. Speaking of Pro Circuit, Talon Bolin, this is actually, well, it was a few years before 2007. It was like, what, 2002, 2003? Talon Bolin had his best supercross finish after training on My Friends, where we all rode back in the day, in Ceres, California. He rode on his Sand Supercross track, and I think he, I'm pretty sure he podiumed with a third for his best supercross finish after practicing on our track that week.

Speaker 2:
[230:07] Okay, good to know.

Speaker 11:
[230:09] Anyways, so yeah, so, hey, you messed up, man. Like, like Eli, you're the guy who talks for a living. Eli, Eli wants to hear it face to face. He's, he's like John Wayne of Supercross and Motocross. He's going to respect you if you say it to him, man to man, face to face. And I think he gave you the opportunity. He sat next to you. That's him extending the olive branch. And I feel like, are you being the guy who gets paid to talk?

Speaker 2:
[230:37] He didn't, it's not open seating, sir, on a plane. He, he didn't extend me an olive branch by sitting next to me. He just, he was a sign that.

Speaker 11:
[230:45] You're right. Okay. All right.

Speaker 2:
[230:47] Did you think he chose, hold on. Roach, do you not know how airplanes work?

Speaker 11:
[230:51] You're right. You're right. I thought he chose it. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2:
[230:54] No, he didn't.

Speaker 3:
[230:55] Well, Roach is over here thinking, tell him Max got his phone out, too, just texting to like his buddy. He's like, Matt, this is such a pussy dude. He hasn't said a single word.

Speaker 11:
[231:03] But still, regardless, okay, so he didn't extend all the branch, but I feel like, because I think here's the thing. Everyone talks and it's easy to talk online, on Twitter, all that, and I think that's why he does what he does on Twitter. But I really do think that when you have the chance for someone like an athlete, you got to get into an athlete's brain, someone like that who's just straight alpha dog, I really do think that at the very end, he would have respected you more for saying it, for passionate out right there with him.

Speaker 2:
[231:36] Also, Roach, when you talk about athletes, I got a 44 in a VO too.

Speaker 3:
[231:40] Yeah, show some respect.

Speaker 11:
[231:41] Oh, you got a 44?

Speaker 2:
[231:42] Yeah, man.

Speaker 11:
[231:44] Oh, dude, I thought you were going to have a heart attack. That's great.

Speaker 2:
[231:46] Thanks, buddy. Appreciate the support.

Speaker 7:
[231:48] I like this guy.

Speaker 2:
[231:49] Thanks, Roach. Thank you, man.

Speaker 7:
[231:51] See you, bud.

Speaker 2:
[231:51] All right, see you. Scott's on three. What's up, Scott?

Speaker 8:
[231:55] Hey, my question is, with Roczen winning all these races and potentially the championship, I know Suzuki as a brand, they're not doing very well financially. I was curious, does Roczen get the same bonuses like other riders do with other OEMs?

Speaker 2:
[232:13] Yeah. Suzuki's actually doing really well as a company when you count their car stuff and scooters and everything. They're crushing it. They have really good revenue. Suzuki does. Just the dirt bikes, they don't sell any.

Speaker 3:
[232:22] They're not putting money into R&D, so they're saving money there.

Speaker 2:
[232:25] Yeah, a good point. But no, as far as those go, Scott, though, the team pays the bonuses, the team buys an insurance policy, right? And the insurance policy pays the bonuses in that end. It's not coming from Suzuki.

Speaker 8:
[232:36] Oh, okay.

Speaker 2:
[232:37] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[232:37] But do the other teams, the bonuses come from like Honda?

Speaker 2:
[232:42] Yeah. Yeah, they come from Honda directly from Honda, but this is not a Suzuki team, right? This is just Pipesteam. So, but Honda will also buy insurance policies for bonuses. Like, they're not writing Jet Lawrence a check, you know, for $100,000 every win. They will buy, well, maybe Jet, okay. Jet actually might be insurable, uninsurable.

Speaker 3:
[233:04] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[233:04] They could be fronting those ones out of their pocket. But for the most part, even the manufacturers buy insurance policies.

Speaker 8:
[233:11] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[233:12] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[233:12] Could you really see everything about how they get a hundred grand for a race win or a million for a championship? So in my mind, I was like, how could Suzuki afford this? Because I have friends that are Suzuki dealers and they're not selling any buy.

Speaker 2:
[233:26] No, they can afford it. Suzuki could afford it. Suzuki Japan, absolutely, with cars and everything else rolled into it, they are doing really well revenue-wise. So Suzuki could afford it, but this is not an official Suzuki effort. So yeah, pipes would buy an insurance policy. All right. Thanks, Doc. Appreciate it, man.

Speaker 4:
[233:41] Thanks. Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[233:42] 702-586-Pulp, give us a call and Alex is on one. You need an I don't know man.

Speaker 3:
[233:50] So I got one.

Speaker 2:
[233:50] Okay. All right. Alex, what's up, man?

Speaker 4:
[233:53] Steve, I love you guys. I don't know, man. I got to run this fight.

Speaker 2:
[233:57] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[233:58] Muto, I love you too. I have a Zen tip at the end of this. So it's 420, man, and I've already been burning brain cells on this.

Speaker 3:
[234:08] Yes, you have. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[234:09] Dude, I can't even talk. The Triumph 250 situation has been, dude, I have a solution.

Speaker 3:
[234:17] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[234:19] Look, you grab McAdoo and Thrasher.

Speaker 3:
[234:23] I don't know if McAdoo is going to help with their injury problem.

Speaker 4:
[234:27] But here's the thing. One of them is going to be on the podium. One is going to be on it.

Speaker 2:
[234:32] So Thrasher, I heard Thrasher was told he has to find a ride. I heard that, not reliably, but I did hear that. But then I talked to somebody close to Star on Friday before Nate won. I said, hey, is this true? They're like, I don't know. It might be true, but with Bobby, one win and he would get another contract.

Speaker 4:
[234:50] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[234:51] Literally, he wins the next night. So Thrasher could very well be back with Star. But I do see Alex, I could see Coker signing him 100% if he leaves Star for Triumph.

Speaker 4:
[235:01] I mean, it's a 50-50-50 shot. One of them is going to be injured, one of them is going to be on the podium. Then you've got her up and Smith is going to be solid. I think a solid representation. Outdoors this year on the 450. But what do you do? You've got Deacon Denno and then you've got Swole. But what do you do with Austin and Angelique?

Speaker 2:
[235:22] Yeah, listen, there's bad seasons and then there's triumph what they're doing this year. Holy shit. Yeah, it's not been good.

Speaker 3:
[235:28] You're preaching to the choir, man. We got hurt, too.

Speaker 2:
[235:30] Yeah, yeah. I mean, look at Beta. They pull out of the Supercross all together.

Speaker 4:
[235:34] Now, you guys are going to be back. All right.

Speaker 2:
[235:36] Thanks for the call, man. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate thoughts. Real quick, Steve. Yep. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[235:40] So here's the Zen tip, Muto. You throw two threes in, not a single six.

Speaker 3:
[235:47] I'm out. Thanks, man. Thanks for the call. Appreciate it.

Speaker 4:
[235:50] All right.

Speaker 2:
[235:51] See you guys.

Speaker 3:
[235:51] Love you too.

Speaker 2:
[235:52] What the fuck's the difference?

Speaker 3:
[235:54] I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[235:54] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[235:55] I'm not in that deep, man.

Speaker 2:
[235:56] Is that a beta? I don't know, man.

Speaker 3:
[235:57] No.

Speaker 2:
[235:58] Okay. So that's my beta. I don't know, man. And yeah. What's yours?

Speaker 3:
[236:05] I don't know, man. Last time I was here, we had Grant Harlan on and he said he didn't plan on being in another LCQ and he wasn't going to throw it to go be in the LCQ race. And can you remind me, where is he at? Is he in the LCQ race now?

Speaker 2:
[236:18] He's firmly in the LCQ race.

Speaker 3:
[236:20] Oh, that's, I don't know, man. That seems a little bit odd. And then he just, you know, he secures his position in the LCQ race. And then he just makes it into the show this time, this time around. I don't know, man. That just seems a little bit fishy.

Speaker 2:
[236:33] Yeah, he's sixth. He's locked in with six points.

Speaker 3:
[236:35] I don't know, man. He was just saying he was never going to do it. He's not that guy. And then just sure as shit, Mary is locked in. See you in Salt Lake. I also think he kind of churned down on Tristan Lane. You look at that video. Real start.

Speaker 13:
[236:54] I don't know, man.

Speaker 3:
[236:55] I don't know. Check this out. Prudence film.

Speaker 2:
[236:57] Oh, come on, man.

Speaker 3:
[236:58] He made it look worse than it really was, man. That he's pouting about it, posting on social media. Like, come on, Grant. I don't know. I talked to him about this yesterday. I gave him a heads up. I was going to do this, so.

Speaker 2:
[237:12] Tristan Lane is like the nicest guy in the sport, and then he does that? He's lost his goddamn mind.

Speaker 3:
[237:19] You got to watch out for the quiet, nice guys, dude. God. The smiley face assassin.

Speaker 2:
[237:23] We all know Harlan Steele, okay? We all know.

Speaker 3:
[237:26] Yeah. We know what he's doing.

Speaker 2:
[237:27] We know what he's doing.

Speaker 3:
[237:28] Yeah, it's fine. I respect that.

Speaker 2:
[237:29] Yeah. Yeah, you got to love that. All right, Beta USA. I don't know, man. Anything else? JT not saying hi to you?

Speaker 3:
[237:35] Yeah, that was so funny. Should I tell that story?

Speaker 2:
[237:37] Sure.

Speaker 3:
[237:38] All right, so I was listening to the, was the review show?

Speaker 2:
[237:41] The review show, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[237:42] They're talking, you guys are talking about Weege getting just blown off by JT.

Speaker 2:
[237:46] Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3:
[237:47] So Daytona 2024 or 25, I don't remember. We're on the back of the tailgate, load up the semi. JT's walking by and I'm like, hey, JT, how's it going? Keeps walking. Hey, JT, what's up, man? Just keeps walking, doesn't look at me. I'm like, all right, JT, I'll go fuck myself. He walks by, just doesn't look. Doesn't look, keeps walking. And you know what, JT, that guy stinks, blah, blah, blah. Then he comes walking back again and one of our crew members is like, hey, you got to say hi to him. And he's got a power bar in his hand, he's snacking. I'm like, hey, what's up, JT, how's it going? Oh, hey, guys, pretty good race today. Just completely different. He was just hungry. He was just hungry.

Speaker 2:
[238:27] He needed protein.

Speaker 3:
[238:28] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[238:29] He needed protein.

Speaker 3:
[238:29] He needed to fuel that bod.

Speaker 2:
[238:31] Yeah, no, absolutely.

Speaker 11:
[238:32] Had to fly the girls in from LA, boy.

Speaker 2:
[238:36] Beta USA, I don't know, man. Segment. Hey, thanks to the folks at Cardo, Pulp of Mexico to save at cardosystems.com. Have you ever used a Cardo?

Speaker 3:
[238:45] No, Mitchell would never want that with me.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 3:
[239:11] Yeah, Randy's cool.

Speaker 2:
[239:12] Is he?

Speaker 3:
[239:13] Yeah, I don't know. I've never met him. He's funny. One of my buddies was the ad where the guy was talking crap on Andy. I mean, Randy, that was one of my buddies. That was kind of funny.

Speaker 2:
[239:22] Which guy? When?

Speaker 3:
[239:22] The boss, the voicemail.

Speaker 2:
[239:24] Oh, the voicemail.

Speaker 3:
[239:25] Yeah, that was one of my buddies.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 1:
[240:03] I honestly think if he would not have gotten hurt, it would have been rough at first. It was a little rough for Benny at first, and then it went up. If you look at the results, besides a couple of races like Seattle, Nashville, it was trending better, getting more comfortable with the bike. I think it would have been different. I don't know, some people also just don't vibe with every single bike. You know what I mean? Like Mumford was fast on the Suzuki, and that was his best finish ever at the time, the sixth place in San Diego. But he never was like, man, I love this bike. He didn't really like the feeling it was giving him. So it's like, I don't know, maybe it could have been one of those same things, like it maybe wouldn't have panned out.

Speaker 2:
[240:46] It didn't help for you guys. Colt's a really popular guy. He's a 125, 250 supercross champion and first year team for you guys.

Speaker 1:
[240:52] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[240:53] And it goes that way. Not a great start or a great first impression for people for beta.

Speaker 1:
[241:00] Yeah, and if it would have went bad last year with Benny and Mitchell, then it would have really been like a really hard hole to dig out of. But then it was obviously like, okay, like the bike's solid, you know? And it's, every bike's gotta like, manufacturer's gotta prove themselves. But yeah, that definitely didn't help. But yeah, I don't know. Well, it may have ended up the same way, you know? But I mean, it wasn't for lack of trying from our side and from his side. Like he obviously worked his ass off. He never threw his hands up and gave up. We never gave up on him. So it's just one of those things where maybe it just wasn't gonna mesh, you know? And I feel like that just happens sometimes.

Speaker 2:
[241:34] Where do you start out in the industry? What's your first gig? Where do you live? Where are you from?

Speaker 1:
[241:38] From Huntington Beach, California. Okay. I grew up, I was just a kid running around with some industry guys. My dad knew, like, Dan Elagier, so I've known him forever. And then Pilo, Ryan Merrill, just a little D from FMF, I've known him forever too. So I kind of always knew those guys.

Speaker 2:
[241:56] Did you race? Did you grow up racing?

Speaker 1:
[241:58] No, I did like my first ever gate drop race I did. I went DNF 1 for first overall in the 85 first timer class. Because the other guy was racing in a race mode with you. So, you know, I was stoked. Did a couple of desert races, killed myself out in the desert a couple of times. But yeah, I know. So I went to MMI. I didn't really know, like, what I wanted to do with, like, just my life in general. I was like, I like dirt bikes. Like, my dad laughs about it because, like, dude, I had never worked on my own bike. Like, I hated it. So the fact that I'm a mechanic now is hilarious.

Speaker 2:
[242:29] My dad is a car mechanic growing up, right? He taught us how to work on dirt bikes. Like, my dad was like, hey, I fix cars. You're going to fix these dirt bikes, you know, blah, blah, blah. So like, mechanicing was always from a young age. I was doing stuff.

Speaker 1:
[242:39] Yeah. Never with me. Yeah. My dad babied me, dude. He would change my tires for me. Like, I'd like grease my bike and it would take me all day to grease my bike. But so like, I went to MMI. Like, I don't even think I knew what, like, a torque wrench was.

Speaker 2:
[242:53] So when I was asking Billy about MMI, that was a point where you, Muto, would have also said I went to MMI or no?

Speaker 1:
[242:58] Well, you know, it was his time to talk, you know? But like, it was good for me because like, there were so many things that I didn't understand. Yeah, like, why was a foreshock called a foreshock? Like, I literally went in there in the base, the first two like, classes or like, basic theory of how like, a motorcycle works. And that was huge for me. So like, I learned a lot about how motorcycles work and like, how to tear down an engine.

Speaker 2:
[243:22] So you went to Arizona for that?

Speaker 1:
[243:23] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I went there in 2014. So like, that was super beneficial. But on the aspect of like, a racing side, it didn't really, I didn't learn anything much on that side.

Speaker 2:
[243:34] But again, like you said, you're coming from nothing. So this is...

Speaker 1:
[243:38] Yeah, it was huge. Like, I probably wouldn't have, like, I don't know if Scott Atkins would have had the patience for someone like me. That's like, yeah, that's like a little too advanced for me. You know what I mean? If I was to go in that raw. But like, one of the industry buddies I had, Mike Monroe, was going to like, he was like a, I think he lived in Santa Cruz. And he was going to like a physical therapy place there to get like his, something fixed, whatever, and Jeff Pesano, you know Pesano, right? So he was going to the same place. And Pesano was doing his MX Clinic thing, and they have three, Honda would send over three, I don't know if they still do, but three like, they're like hot shot young guns, Japanese kids to come right over here when it's winter time in Japan. And so he was talking about needing a mechanic, and my buddy Mike heard that, and that got me my first ever job, was that connection. Like, hey, right when I graduated, it was right about when they needed somebody. And they had another mechanic there that was able to teach me a lot of things. He was really open. Like, do my first couple of years, like I was not afraid to ask the dumbest questions because I was like, I didn't know. You know what I mean? So like, uh, did that. Um, it was only two month deal lived actually at Joe Schmoda's house for two months. So I, Joe's little 12 year old, you know, he's like calm right now. He's hyper just running around. Oh yeah. It was so funny, man. Like sack tapping people. Like it was so funny, man. So it's been so cool to see him grow.

Speaker 2:
[244:56] Does he remember you from back then?

Speaker 1:
[244:57] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I like the, I was buddies with like his mom, like I met the grandparents, all that. Like his dad, Yoichi still doesn't speak a lick of English, but they were just like, I was pretty like wild. Yeah. Uh, probably maybe wilder. I'm so free. I feel like I'm a little like eccentric. Yeah. But they always like, Oh, that's like the crazy American guy.

Speaker 2:
[245:13] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[245:13] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[245:14] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[245:14] Um, but when I would go to the pits, I would go to like, uh, around to like people I'd seen like verb videos. They go like, do you need a mechanic? Do you need a mechanic? And then this guy who ended up being my buddy moving forward. But I know by the time Nate Jones heard me asking someone else and the Mosmans needed a guy, like a practice guy for Michael and a race guy for Josh. So I kind of got my foot in the door with them. Okay. And then, uh, that kind of got me kind of in.

Speaker 2:
[245:38] Was that like, was that, um, is that Josh before MXA or is that?

Speaker 1:
[245:42] Yeah. That Josh is an amateur. He was an A rider and Michael was a B rider. So it was 2015.

Speaker 2:
[245:46] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[245:46] So, uh, yes, that kind of got my foot in the door there. And then like, I still had a lot to learn, but I was very open about what I didn't know. You know what I mean? Like, hey, I'm going to work hard, but like I'd never framed a bike yet, you know? Like, um, so that was kind of like what really got me in the door because they had a good friend group in the amateur. Like a big, so like, I kind of like was doing, when I was done with the Mosmans, I kind of bounced around to like in that friend group a little bit. Um, that was kind of like, kind of solidified me a little bit to where like, okay, people in the amateur scene like knew who I was.

Speaker 2:
[246:17] Right.

Speaker 1:
[246:18] Um, but yeah, that's kind of what kind of got everything started for me for sure.

Speaker 2:
[246:23] And then where did you go from there?

Speaker 1:
[246:24] Um, I went and worked from, so Josh actually ended up firing me. Oh, which is funny because he fired me and we hugged because it was like where he was and how I kind of like loose I was like, it wasn't like the best match.

Speaker 2:
[246:36] Okay. So like it was an understanding or like him doing Bible study and you off chasing chicks.

Speaker 1:
[246:41] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like we were like, we're still really good friends like, and it was like no hard feelings. Like I was like, I understand where you're coming from, you know? So I ended up working with Max Miller who was ended up, he was an Orange Brigade 85 rider and worked for him and went and we did Monster Cup. He got third and then he'd like won four championship minios. He was like probably the fastest kid on 85 in the world that year. Won like nine championships, should have won Loretta's, went 8-1-1, like dominated and then I ended up leaving them and then worked for this kid up in Vancouver, Washington for a little bit. Just dad had a lot of money, Northwest kid, he's kind of knew who I was. I hadn't heard of him before. I was like, I like Northwest, I'll go up there and then.

Speaker 2:
[247:27] So at this point, when you're doing all this, are you like, hey, I want to be a factory mechanic? Or were you still not like, eh?

Speaker 1:
[247:32] I wanted to be like a professional race mechanic, but I'm very nervous. I'm a type of guy, I didn't ever thought I was ready. I didn't think I was good enough to do that. So I was very like, I don't think I can do that. Like kind of, I don't know what the right word to say is, but not confident in myself to go into something new and unknown and handle that. So I went and we were at like a Top Gun Race at RV's track up in Washington. I don't even know if he still owns it, Grace Harbor, or RV. I saw this kid Levi Newby and I knew he was signed to the Bar X. Then I was like, hey, do you have a mechanic? No, I kind of planted that seed. Then he ended up calling me and asking me if I wanted to be his mechanic. So that's how I ended up getting with Bar X. Then I stayed there for like four or five years, kind of left for a little bit to go work at a suspension shop. And then I got a call from Chance Hymas' dad in 2021 to be the service manager at their dealership.

Speaker 2:
[248:38] Oh, OK.

Speaker 1:
[248:38] Working with Kilroy. I worked with Levi Newby, Austin Black, and Preston Kilroy at Bar X.

Speaker 2:
[248:45] Yeah, Kilroy and Hymas are tight.

Speaker 1:
[248:47] Yeah, yeah. So I'd see them all at the RMX races. And they were close. And their Hymas family is great people. They're super, super cool. So he was like, hey, do you want to come be their service manager? I'm like, dude, I've never worked at a dealership as second in my life. He's like, no, I think you can do it. And I went in there, and they had kind of burned through a couple of service managers. They hadn't found a good fit. So it was kind of a lot to get into. I'm calling people, and it's getting motherfucked by people.

Speaker 2:
[249:15] Like, hey, your quad part is back over.

Speaker 1:
[249:18] We've had bikes that were there for a while, because the last service manager wasn't really kind of, they had a filler that wasn't, it was a little overwhelming for them. So it was a good experience, but it was a little overwhelming for me, too.

Speaker 2:
[249:29] When you were doing bar acts, though, you were doing supercrosses and nationals?

Speaker 1:
[249:32] No, it was all amateur stuff. So the last, in 2021, before I left to go do the suspension thing, because I was like, OK, I want to try to branch out and do something new. And I would have still stuck with that. But OK, the service, I was thinking like long term, like, OK, service manager can be a good opportunity for me. So yeah, they just started pro racing. I think it was, maybe it was right before that, because I came back to bar acts. So I did the service manager stuff for a little bit. And it was just like, I had to kind of like light up guys that were older than me that I didn't feel like it was my place. I learned a lot and grew a lot from that. But it was like, I could have stuck it out. There was so much I didn't know about quads, side by sides. I wasn't the right time, I guess, in my life for that role. But I always left on good terms. It's like with the Kilroy's, I knew, hey, if they needed a mechanic, I could go back there. And Larry, they all understood. So I ended up coming back with Kilroy, then doing the...

Speaker 2:
[250:37] Between the amateur motocross at bar acts, suspension shop, then service manager. You were really well-rounding yourself.

Speaker 1:
[250:45] Yeah, yeah, I learned a lot about suspension from Stephen Hill at Clover Hill in the Inland Empire area. He worked at Pro Circuit, so he had a lot of knowledge. And that was just cool to get into that. Because I always... Like whenever I'd be at the track with an amateur guy and like their trainer, like RL or whoever it was, like if there's a suspension guy there, it'd be like, hey, like, well, what do you do? And like, why did you do that? I wanted to learn, like I loved working with amateurs because you have so much like influence on their program. Like you're kind of in charge of everything, especially when it's just like a kid in their family. Like you can, you can, hey, let's use this suspension guy. Let's use this engine guy. Like that's where doing it with Colt was cool. Like our little program we did because I kind of like was able like, oh, hey, like we can use like Dave Cruz. Like I know he's really good. And then like I just had a bunch of resources I picked up along the way to kind of help run our little like mini team we had going on. But so yeah, come back with Kilroy. Go and do Loretta's with them. He crushed it that year. He won a title at Mammoth in the 250 class, which is cool. And then the last three outdoors and then we got Mumford. And so then they gave me Mumford because I've just been there the longest, the most experienced. And then that was really good.

Speaker 2:
[251:54] Was it always a Myron team with Scott Mumford involved or who owned it or how did that go?

Speaker 1:
[251:59] So at first it was the Barbieri's. Cole Barbieri was a good amateur racer. And then they started the team around Cole and a couple of other guys at first. And Myron was a part of it. So Barr is Barbieri, X is 2X Promotions. So that's where those two come together. And then when Carson came, I think Scott got involved financially a little bit with that. So then I did that with Mumford and that was just, I think I was just kind of over it. And it was hard with Mumford because he requires a lot. He was riding a lot. I was getting over going to the practice track and then just doing the practice and the race stuff. I was kind of over it. So my buddy Dawson Kirchner worked with Menenga helping build KTM track, PC track. So I did that with him. And we do just construction, heavy equipment stuff, grading stuff.

Speaker 2:
[252:51] Now you're running dozers.

Speaker 1:
[252:52] Yeah, yeah. But it was cool, though. I liked that as well. Like I was super fun. And like I was like doing people's bike work on the side, like Jared McNeil needed some bike work done. I would just like just do little bits in there, make some extra cash because the construction stuff paid good. So I was like, yeah, I was stoked on that. And then doing the, I saw like Cole had put someone on Instagram, like, oh, he needed help.

Speaker 2:
[253:13] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[253:14] Leading mechanic, maybe he needs like someone to help him out on the weekends. Like, hey, give me your bike on the weekend. I'll get you ready for the week. And then that ended up being the World Supercross deal.

Speaker 2:
[253:25] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[253:26] And I was like, okay, it was kind of like a lull.

Speaker 2:
[253:28] With Rick Ware.

Speaker 1:
[253:29] Yeah, yeah. And it was kind of a lull on the construction part. Like it was a little slow. And I was like, Cole, it's like, okay, they all give you 500 bucks a week. And then Rick Ware would pay me two grand a race.

Speaker 2:
[253:39] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[253:39] So it was supposed to be six races. So I'm like, perfect. They get to, it was basically, I was going to make about the same amount.

Speaker 2:
[253:45] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[253:46] And then they cut the season in half. And I was like, Oh, fuck. Yeah. I was like, Uh-oh. Like that's not great for me. But so yeah, that kind of almost like working with Colt made me kind of like love the sport again. Because like I was still working like hard, like we were working a lot, but it was fun. Like it was cool to go to Pro Circuit and like go ask like Mitch for parts or like, like if we had like a Ningen rebuild, I'd go take it to Dino Dave. No, Dan, Dino Dan. Yeah. So he would like, that was kind of like my connection with there. And like I knew Schneidke a little bit before that race. It was cool to like go interact with those guys. I knew a couple of the pre-C mechanics. So it was just fun, like traveling the world. Like we, me and Colt have a good friendship. Like it was like, we kind of clicked as his people. So it made everything more fun being around Will. Like I knew Pearson since he was 13. So like training with him was cool. That little shithead, Cole Davies, he was just actually a little shithead back then. Dude, there's a couple of times where he would, like Colt would bump him and Cole would just go, literally go for the kill shot in the next corner. And we just watered, so the front end would just go down. He'd eat shit and he'd be even more mad. It was so much fun, man. But yeah, so that's kind of started that.

Speaker 2:
[254:57] What was it like for you as a kid working for Brooks at Barrex? Were you a little intimidated?

Speaker 1:
[255:01] Yeah, I'm like, that's fucking Larry Brooks. Like that was intense. Yeah, it was funny to see because it was like at first, it was like, hey, we sweep the shop. Like first year 2017, we sweep the shop before we leave. No mechanics leave until the last mechanics done. Oh, and then like there's a couple of times, like I work kind of slow.

Speaker 2:
[255:20] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[255:20] So I'd be changing a tire. Everyone stared at me. Brooks is just ribbing me. Like it was really, it was a really fun time.

Speaker 2:
[255:27] Like I feel like there's been some iterations of Barrex that were really bad, not well run and sort of held together with strings. And then other times where Barrex was fully funded and running well, you know?

Speaker 1:
[255:40] Yeah. I mean, I think that was kind of right when I left. Like when Larry left, obviously, like there's a massive void that's got. And then our crew chief that had been there forever, there was a Big Mac. He was a major glue guy. Because like we would, we never had a full time truck driver for 90% of the time I was there. So like in regard to like cleaning the semi, making sure all the parts are stocked, like Big Mac would do most of that. Like we would all try to help him where we could. But this guy was just grinding. He was just down to work. Like he would handle everything. And it was.

Speaker 2:
[256:11] So he left, Brooks left and I got.

Speaker 1:
[256:13] Yeah. So I think there was like maybe like a void to fill that guy. And I think they went through like a couple of team managers. But yeah. So now like, I think everything's all good there. Like I think they're doing fine. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[256:24] So yeah. So you like Brooks. We probably taught you a lot.

Speaker 1:
[256:27] Oh yeah. Yeah. Larry is like a second dad. Like he is like, I think we might have mentioned this, like jelly in them. But like he like loves his guy. Like if you're one of his guys, like he's all in and he would just see like, like the effort. So like, and if like, okay, you're consistently doing the same bolt checks and something. Like if something happened, it wasn't immediately like you're an idiot. It was like, okay, like I, when you say you did this, okay, well let's, it must be like an anomaly. Like, let's figure it out. You know? So it was a really good, uh, oh my God, getting choked up. I get emotional talking about Larry. I love that guy. But, uh, yeah, just like, dude, we'd road tripped in a little like Honda Civic to Texas for free stone one time. Like right. It is me, Larry Bigback, just cruising dude. Like Larry's getting bored driving on the way back from Texas. And just, he's going like 90 on a back road and just throws it onto the shoulder and just like, just rally car on the shoulder. Like, uh, there's so many memories, man. It was so much fun.

Speaker 2:
[257:30] Think about all the things Brooks has seen and done in the industry. It's just absolutely, he's, he was a bit of a mini star since the early eighties.

Speaker 1:
[257:36] Yeah. And he just, like, yeah, I think Barracks helped him like, re-find his love for the sport.

Speaker 2:
[257:42] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[257:42] Because he's, he take these kids, you'd see it like we'd get like Dylan Schwartz was a team group guy that they didn't want anymore.

Speaker 2:
[257:48] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[257:48] And then he comes over to us and he levels up and Larry's fully emotionally invested in these guys and curating them to be the best they can. And like we're on a Suzuki 250, which everyone's supposed to say sucks. But like, if you're in an amateur on the time, like besides like a star bike, that was for sure the bike to be on because we, they were really fast and you could, we'd have Rob Henry doing it or? Yeah, Jamie was doing it. Then we put a lot of effort into the engines. And then we had Rob Hendricks from RG3. So it was like, we were basically running like the factory 250 team, solely on amateurs. Like it was a cheat code. Every kid we ever got like won at some national championship or something. Never got the Loretta's title. That was kind of a bummer, but always close.

Speaker 2:
[258:34] And so they brought you to Beta?

Speaker 1:
[258:36] Yeah. So yeah, I had known Carlin. I met him in 2015 working with the Mosmans because they train with Ramsey together. And yeah, like I wasn't sure if I wanted to get that far back into it. But like I went up there, checked it out. And I was just so nervous. Like a couple of the guys that work at Beta now that I'm buddies with tell me, yeah, we thought you're an asshole because like you like didn't talk to anybody. I'm like, dude, I was so like just anxious that like I was just like tunnel vision. Like I don't like I went back to the shop after I took the job. And it's like I'd seen it for the first time again. Like I remember anything.

Speaker 2:
[259:10] Oh, that's funny.

Speaker 1:
[259:11] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[259:12] But you like it, Beta. Yeah, you like it. You like it. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[259:14] Oh, yeah. Living up there is so beautiful. And like Tim's such a great guy. Like it's just such a chill family environment. Like everybody's buddies with everybody, like everybody. I don't have any other friends up there besides the people I work with. And it's just it's so much fun coming into work every day because we got kids that are like 18, 19. And we got guys that are like in their 50s with three grandkids.

Speaker 3:
[259:37] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[259:39] We all joke around. We all bust each other's balls. Like we're all getting a good pop out of each other. It's just a great time.

Speaker 2:
[259:45] And so is most of the funding from the USA side? You know what I mean? Like, why did they decide now to go racing is what I always thought was weird. Like, you know, obviously they're doing better. There's some momentum. There's two, three, three, three, two stroke and stuff. But it's weird that they're just like, yeah, now we're going racing.

Speaker 1:
[260:01] I think it's probably with the forfeit to get in May, they had a bike to go racing supercross with. Like, that was always going to be the motocross bike.

Speaker 2:
[260:09] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[260:10] In regards to the funding, like, obviously, like, Beta Italy, like, is a big part of that, I think. But like, I don't really know. Like, we're self-sufficient. But I don't know. Like, I would assume they would, they have a part to play with it. But yeah, like, as I know, as like a company, like, we're doing fine. Like, we're healthy in that aspect.

Speaker 2:
[260:29] You guys, once you lost Fiji, though, Fiji water.

Speaker 1:
[260:32] Dude, that was such a pain in the ass to haul those around everywhere. Like, because they'd rub against the walls in the semi and, like, just stain the shit out of it. So, like, our truck driver couldn't have been happier to get rid of the Fiji bottles. But it was a very, very cool deal.

Speaker 2:
[260:46] Going downhill to me after the Fiji water. That was a great sponsorship. No, it's good. It's an interesting path for sure. God, you worked amateur motocross for a long time.

Speaker 1:
[260:56] Ever. I loved it. I loved it.

Speaker 2:
[260:58] I never did any of that. My first job was the pro team. And then when I worked for Brooks in 99 at Chaparral, in the offseason, they said, hey, you're going to go to Minneos and work for Ryan Morris. You know, at the Minneos, just because it was the offseason. So I went and did the whole Minneos for a week. And that was it for me. I was like, I got to get out of here. Like, a week of 7 a.m. jetting your bike, 5 p.m. I was over it.

Speaker 1:
[261:23] Yeah, I like the influence. Like, one of my favorite things, which I can't do as much now, because all these guys are already, like, developed, but, like, is developing a relationship with, like, a younger kid. And, like, helping kind of mold them as, like, a rider and a person. And then seeing that translate, and, like, that's that trust they have in you. Like, especially once you kind of get, like, once I gained a reputation, it was like, they're, like, when you say something, like, they'd listen. And, like, it was like to see the improvements in each rider and be able to help, especially, like, even now, like, I love packing a gate. Because I can influence, like, the race in this aspect. But, yeah, that was very fun to me. Like, to be able to mess with the suspension and just kind of have, like, a hand in everything. Like, it was really cool. Plus, you go to the races, they're a week long. Like, I could go walk to, like, 30 different campers and go get a meal and, like, hey, you want to have a beer?

Speaker 2:
[262:15] Sounds like hell to me.

Speaker 1:
[262:16] It was fun. I got over it. I got over it.

Speaker 2:
[262:19] Right.

Speaker 1:
[262:19] Because you're driving everywhere. It gets old. But, like, yeah, I got to see so much of, like, the country that I've never seen before. And you just meet so many cool families.

Speaker 2:
[262:28] Right.

Speaker 1:
[262:28] There's just, like, so many people, like, I wish I could see now. But, like, everyone gets old. They go pro. Like, once a lot of the buddies, initially, I had in 2015, like, started, like, either going pro or their kids stop racing or their mechanics stop wrenching anymore. Like, then I was kind of like, all my buddies are gone. You know what I mean? I kind of got over it a little bit.

Speaker 2:
[262:46] Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. For sure. Hey, by the way, we get to some segments coming up here, but Memorial Day weekend, May 23rd, 24th, 25th. innovativemx.com to register. What this is is a mega camp, Red Line Oil Mega Camp. It's going down Memorial Day at Bar to Bar MX. Hosted by Innovative MX Training. The training camp brings riders of all ages and skill levels together for three full days of coaching, riding and nonstop progression at Bar to Bar MX. You'll be training with USMCA certified coaches, Scott Gepkin, Rob Iamondi, Amy Quack, Mike, and I'll focus on helping you to improve every time you hit the track. So this is at Bar to Bar MX in Kansas City. Three full days of riding and coaching, tons of giveaways, raffles and prizes. Red Line Synthetic Oil is bringing you this. Guts Racing involved as well. So please check that out. innovativemx.com to register. Learn more about that. innovativemx.com to register there. And Renegade Race Fuels, PulpMX26, code to save with Renegade Race Fuels. Will Hall won a championship with Renegade. They say that and I don't remember Will winning anything.

Speaker 1:
[263:52] Dude, I'll never, I'll never. I love Will.

Speaker 2:
[263:54] Do you want to go along with that?

Speaker 1:
[263:56] No, no. That is one of my favorite human beings. He will run and jump into my arms when I see him. It's the cutest little thing ever.

Speaker 2:
[264:05] Renegade Racefuels, PulpMX26.

Speaker 1:
[264:07] It is gay.

Speaker 2:
[264:08] Thank you for that.

Speaker 1:
[264:09] It's man love.

Speaker 2:
[264:09] PulpMX26, Renegade Racefuels, deliver right to your door. Use that code to save with those guys. And also, motorcycleindustryjobs.com. Sales, Job of the Week Sales, Core Brand Specialist in WPS. This is for Georgia or Florida, full-time job. 110K total compensation.

Speaker 1:
[264:29] I saw that one, it peaked my address.

Speaker 2:
[264:33] It must reside in Georgia or Florida and check that out. It is a core brand specialist sales route. So you're basically calling on dealers and selling fly and things like that and getting a commission from it. So please check that out. Got to live in Florida or Georgia. It's good job from folks at WPS, great company, Western Power Sports, motorcycleinc.jobs.com, job of the week. Upload your resume for free today. So thank you to those guys for coming on board. Don't forget, code PULPMEX20, saves at works connection, WUSA, GetData. Also, Guts Racing, Atlas Protection, all of those guys on board with us as well. Use the codes, pulpmexshow.com for codes to save with those guys. Don't forget the LCQ raffle, people. We need you to support that. Marks, we're way behind and I blame you.

Speaker 3:
[265:19] This is all my fault every year.

Speaker 2:
[265:20] Yep, I blame you again.

Speaker 3:
[265:22] We will pick it up.

Speaker 1:
[265:24] Grant Harlan is sandbagging for nothing, people. Yeah, buy your raffle tickets.

Speaker 2:
[265:27] Yeah, god damn it. Also, Marks, the PulpMX Fantasy app coming soon.

Speaker 3:
[265:34] Yeah, soonish.

Speaker 2:
[265:35] Soonish.

Speaker 3:
[265:35] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[265:36] That thing's really cool. I've been using it.

Speaker 3:
[265:38] I'm glad to hear that.

Speaker 2:
[265:39] PulpMX app as well coming soonish.

Speaker 3:
[265:41] Soonish.

Speaker 2:
[265:42] We got some pulp exclusive content on there.

Speaker 3:
[265:46] Yeah, lots of cool things on that one, I think. You can pick random shows, you can send drops to your buddies through iMessage, you can play a game, a motocross game. You can play the game.

Speaker 4:
[265:59] You can see if life swaps happen.

Speaker 3:
[266:00] You can see if life swap has happened.

Speaker 2:
[266:01] We're locked in for that.

Speaker 3:
[266:03] Okay. Well, we'll update the banner at the appropriate time.

Speaker 2:
[266:06] We are locked in.

Speaker 1:
[266:07] This app is never coming, huh?

Speaker 4:
[266:10] I have it on my phone.

Speaker 2:
[266:11] No, the app's there.

Speaker 3:
[266:12] Oh, Muto. Ye of little faith.

Speaker 1:
[266:15] I mean, I've been hearing about it. I remember there was an app. There was an app. Is that the same app?

Speaker 4:
[266:19] Muto, if you want it, you can probably get it.

Speaker 1:
[266:22] I don't know if I honestly, I'll probably never get it. Oh, oh, oh, oh my God. So go to the photo album.

Speaker 2:
[266:29] Go to do not go to the bottom right, the extras or something.

Speaker 1:
[266:33] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[266:33] And then what's it called? It's a game.

Speaker 1:
[266:35] World Vets.

Speaker 2:
[266:35] The World Vets. Click on that.

Speaker 1:
[266:36] Oh my God. Best 281. And then I'm not raising as dark side.

Speaker 3:
[266:41] Turn your turn your volume on.

Speaker 1:
[266:42] Give me creepy keeper. Turn the volume volumes on dude. Oh my God. You can jump. Am I jumping the fence?

Speaker 2:
[266:50] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[266:51] Those are nets.

Speaker 1:
[266:54] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[266:55] So that's the game you can play.

Speaker 1:
[266:57] All right.

Speaker 3:
[266:57] Hey, color me shocked. If that reaction from Muto isn't worth it alone.

Speaker 1:
[267:02] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[267:02] Just wait for this app people. Look at blue Muto's way back.

Speaker 1:
[267:05] I wasn't expecting the.

Speaker 3:
[267:08] That was my wife's idea.

Speaker 1:
[267:09] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[267:09] She's genius.

Speaker 2:
[267:10] Shut out court.

Speaker 4:
[267:12] I don't think I played that with sound. I didn't know when I crashed I got dark side's voice.

Speaker 3:
[267:16] Yeah. We might add a couple more in there. We'll see.

Speaker 1:
[267:17] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[267:17] We got lots to do.

Speaker 1:
[267:20] What's in that photo album, Steve? You were really pressed about that. Got some hog shots in there.

Speaker 2:
[267:25] No, I don't do that. That is.

Speaker 1:
[267:27] Talent. Talent's busting up back there.

Speaker 2:
[267:30] Dude, what? I've never done that.

Speaker 1:
[267:33] It's 2026, man. You can't be sending hog shots.

Speaker 2:
[267:35] Dude, I don't think any chicks give a fuck about your hog.

Speaker 1:
[267:40] No. I mean, they care. They just don't want to see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. They care.

Speaker 2:
[267:44] But, dude, send them a photo and be like, yeah, check me out. Check me out, babe.

Speaker 1:
[267:48] Dude. More dick pics.

Speaker 2:
[267:50] That does not work, as far as I know, anyways. No. So, no, we don't really do that, but.

Speaker 1:
[267:55] I don't think they get a blowjob before the main event. All right, Briggs.

Speaker 2:
[268:00] Briggs, what's up?

Speaker 7:
[268:01] Hey, not too much. Great show. I love listening to it. It's pretty good listening. Steve, actually, listen to Matt Lemoine talk. What will you do when you finally step away and sell pulp for millions and millions of dollars with your free time?

Speaker 2:
[268:16] Work on my VO2.

Speaker 7:
[268:21] Good. So I was in Cleveland this weekend. I saw a dig dug run across the track on the first lap of, I forget what main it was, right before the finish line, which was a little wild.

Speaker 2:
[268:34] Did you see, oh, who was that? Was it Eli? There was a dig dug trying to pick up a bike. I think it might have been Eli's. Dude, this guy, you swear he never picked up a bike before in his life. He didn't know what to do or how to grab the bars or the, he was grabbing the seat and trying to lift it up.

Speaker 1:
[268:50] Dude, they don't have talent, but they got hard, dude. I do not have the balls to stand in between a rhythm section and a 250C practice.

Speaker 2:
[268:58] I know, but I couldn't believe this. This guy could not pick up this bike. I think it was Tomex.

Speaker 7:
[269:03] It was Tomex. It was actually painful to watch.

Speaker 2:
[269:06] Yeah, you're just like, guy, grab the fucking handlebars. Shut it off.

Speaker 1:
[269:10] When the bike stuck wide open and they try to pick it up and they don't do anything. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[269:16] Why are they in all black?

Speaker 2:
[269:18] Just to blend in, like Predator, like they're in the jungle.

Speaker 7:
[269:23] So you can't see them? It seems like if you put them in brighter colors, they might stand out and maybe help some of the lapping and other issues that we have.

Speaker 1:
[269:30] Yeah, but for the broadcast, that might not be what they want to be drawing the fans' eyes away from.

Speaker 7:
[269:37] That makes sense.

Speaker 1:
[269:38] I didn't think of that. I'm good for a couple of good ideas, brother.

Speaker 7:
[269:42] No, that's awesome. My other thing is, is listen, I watched some of the practice. I'm a huge fan of Privateers. It was awesome to see guys like Bobby Piazza out there. Trevor has some local Western New York and New York guys, PA guys, but some of these guys in these daytime qualifiers and they've been doing it for decades. Like, how do they even get in, to be honest? I'm talking like the bottom of the bottom.

Speaker 2:
[270:06] Yeah, I don't know, man. If you pay your 250 bucks, you can keep racing forever.

Speaker 1:
[270:11] God bless them.

Speaker 2:
[270:12] Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I don't get, well, like, I don't get, so a lot of times nowadays, I would say, what do you say, Muto, 30% of the races, there's no eliminators. 30% of the races go right to the night show, would you say?

Speaker 1:
[270:28] It is, it is kind of crazy. I noticed that a couple of times in the heat races, like the gates weren't filled.

Speaker 2:
[270:34] Yeah, so if you make the night show, you're making, I think it's 600 bucks. So you're making 400 bucks extra on top of your thing. And then you're, but you got to pay for your, I don't know how these guys do it. I don't know how it makes any financial sense. Like David Pulley, for example, like, what are we doing? Guy seems nice, everything else, but what are we doing?

Speaker 1:
[270:51] He actually is a really nice guy, but yeah.

Speaker 2:
[270:53] But what, like, how is he making it financially? I know he's got OnlyFans, but.

Speaker 1:
[270:59] No, there's gotta be some other source of income. Yes, that's supporting.

Speaker 2:
[271:03] I don't know how you could go race to race with the expenses and not make anything coming in for the most part and keep going all these years.

Speaker 1:
[271:11] Yeah, like, yeah, there's gotta be something because there's like you would not be able to live. No, let alone get a motorcycle, right? If that's all that you're relying on.

Speaker 2:
[271:20] I don't or Greco or these other guys, like I don't know how they're making it financially.

Speaker 1:
[271:25] Yeah, I don't. I want to know their secret because if I had that residual income coming in, that'd be sick.

Speaker 2:
[271:30] Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know. I don't get it. I don't quite know what. But they're out there every single year. You're right, Brakes. They're there. So.

Speaker 7:
[271:37] Yeah. I mean, it's been decades. I mean, I remember seeing guys that would be mid-pack at the local A class and be like, they're out there trying to get a supercross. Like, they can't even stay on the lead lap at a local race. And it's just, it's kind of scary. It's like, I don't know, like, this isn't tennis, right? Like, this is a serious sport and you hate to see guys get hurt and stuff, but it's like, you know, it seems to be a hazard, you know, like, where it's just doesn't seem safe.

Speaker 2:
[272:03] Yeah, no, I'm with you.

Speaker 1:
[272:04] A couple of guys are probably doing it just so they can say, like, okay, like, I raced a supercross before they stop racing. Even if they're going to be horrible, like, hey, like, you know, like, we gotta go, we gotta do it at least once.

Speaker 2:
[272:14] I get that, for sure. I just don't know how the guys keep doing it financially. Like, I don't know how the maths is mapping on that.

Speaker 1:
[272:21] I respect the fact that some guys keep doing that, but a couple of them think, like, if you like, look at their social media, like, they think they're Jet Lawrence. Like, okay, I'm out on that. Like, I'm out on that.

Speaker 2:
[272:31] Do you know who's irate about that stuff? Our guy, Phil.

Speaker 1:
[272:35] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[272:35] In our group text, he fucking loses it at these guys who aren't that good and what they say in social media.

Speaker 1:
[272:43] They do like a post, like, you know, just didn't have it this week.

Speaker 2:
[272:46] Just grind it, man. I got to get back to work. I got to get back to work, you know? And Phil's like, yeah, get back to work, like a real job. Like, you know, so there is that, too. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[272:57] Yeah, no, like, I mean, I don't know why more of these guys don't utilize like Canada. Like, I think Canada is a great step for these guys that aren't doing well. Like, go up to Canada.

Speaker 2:
[273:04] Yeah, there's not much money up there either, though. There's not much money up there, but, yeah.

Speaker 7:
[273:08] But at least go get a number. At least go, like, do well. Like, get that confidence there, you know?

Speaker 1:
[273:12] Have fun, get maybe a top 10 instead of a D&Q.

Speaker 3:
[273:16] Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 7:
[273:18] Yes, yes. That's what I'm saying. But, no, great show. Actually, I saw you and Lewis when I was leaving, Steve. You guys were crossing over the road to head to the pits right after the race. But, no, it was a good week. I was actually surprised how much prep time they did on the track. It seemed like they had a lot of time to prep the track.

Speaker 2:
[273:35] They were NBC. They did more prep track, more work on the track than I've seen in a long time because of NBC, Window. They basically, that thing was brand new for the second round.

Speaker 1:
[273:45] Yeah, I think the second one. Yeah, it looked like a lot of stuff got touched.

Speaker 2:
[273:49] Yeah, they did a lot. They had a lot of downtime for sure.

Speaker 7:
[273:52] Cool. Well, hey, great show, guys.

Speaker 2:
[273:54] Thank you.

Speaker 7:
[273:54] Love listening. Have a good night.

Speaker 2:
[273:56] Thanks. Appreciate it. All right, motorsport.com tweet at Talon segment.

Speaker 7:
[274:01] Oh, that's my mom.

Speaker 5:
[274:04] It's the motorsport.com tweet at Talon segment.

Speaker 2:
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[274:31] Pretty much. OEM and aftermarket parts. So whether it's a Cherubies or whether it's Fly, whether it's Guts Racing or any of these guys that support us, you can get it through motorsport.com. Go through the banner on PulpMX to help us out. Just click on that banner at pulpmx.com when you're buying a raffle ticket for the LCQ race and it'll help us out. And these questions are submitted at PulpMX Show to the guy in the corner over there. And he picks the best ones.

Speaker 4:
[274:54] All right, first one came through on Snowboard. It's from Joe Add. He says, not a question, but they did Steve dirty by not having a fan set up and coaching him through the test on how to pace it.

Speaker 2:
[275:04] Well, that's Jelly's job, wasn't it? I mean, that's Jelly's job. So like I said, it was pretty funny. I was on the bike, not sort of in the, not sort of locked in yet and watching fans look at me and then look at Roczen's bike and like, what the fuck is going on with the guy with the Bane mask?

Speaker 1:
[275:19] What was the weather like out there?

Speaker 2:
[275:21] Was it nice? Yeah, Friday was nice.

Speaker 1:
[275:22] What was it like? Chilly?

Speaker 2:
[275:24] No, not really. No, it was nice.

Speaker 1:
[275:25] Because you said the fan, like a fan might have been nice overheating, but.

Speaker 2:
[275:29] No, I didn't say that.

Speaker 1:
[275:30] No, that's what he was talking about with the fan, not having a fan set up for you.

Speaker 2:
[275:34] I thought you meant, okay, sorry.

Speaker 4:
[275:35] No, this guy is talking about like a blowing fan.

Speaker 2:
[275:38] No, it's fine.

Speaker 4:
[275:39] But you mentioned the fans at the pit.

Speaker 2:
[275:42] No, I didn't need a fan. It was cool enough to do that and everything else.

Speaker 1:
[275:44] That's why I asked. I figured it probably was.

Speaker 3:
[275:46] It makes a big difference. I think you'd be surprised.

Speaker 1:
[275:48] Big VO2 test guy over there. Hey, Mutch.

Speaker 2:
[275:50] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[275:51] Just as an indoor Zwift guy, so I know a thing about a fan at least.

Speaker 1:
[275:54] Yes, you do.

Speaker 2:
[275:55] Yeah, but I was outdoors.

Speaker 3:
[275:56] Yeah, but you're on stationary is the point.

Speaker 2:
[275:58] Cool, man.

Speaker 4:
[276:00] MOTOFAN254, Steve, how far can you run without stopping? Good for you for even starting. Running is not easy for us big guys. Please unblock me.

Speaker 1:
[276:10] Now.

Speaker 2:
[276:10] What's his name?

Speaker 4:
[276:11] MOTOFAN254.

Speaker 2:
[276:14] On Twitter?

Speaker 4:
[276:15] I would assume.

Speaker 2:
[276:17] Hold on.

Speaker 3:
[276:18] How big is your block list?

Speaker 2:
[276:19] Oh, fuck.

Speaker 3:
[276:21] Really? Oh, yeah. I don't block anybody, dude.

Speaker 2:
[276:23] No, man. You don't get the shit that I get. What is it, MOTOFAN what?

Speaker 4:
[276:27] 254.

Speaker 2:
[276:28] 254.

Speaker 4:
[276:29] How far can you run without stopping while you're looking that up?

Speaker 2:
[276:32] I have...

Speaker 4:
[276:34] Can you get a mile?

Speaker 2:
[276:35] Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1:
[276:36] That's so disrespectful.

Speaker 2:
[276:38] It is.

Speaker 4:
[276:38] Without stopping? I can't run a mile without stopping.

Speaker 1:
[276:41] Dude, you can run a mile without stopping.

Speaker 4:
[276:43] I can not run a mile without stopping.

Speaker 1:
[276:45] We're going running tomorrow, so come over. You can get it.

Speaker 4:
[276:47] I'm not running tomorrow.

Speaker 1:
[276:48] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[276:49] Travis, can you run a mile?

Speaker 1:
[276:51] Probably not.

Speaker 2:
[276:51] Okay, so I got up to... I was doing six miles.

Speaker 1:
[276:57] That's impressive.

Speaker 2:
[276:58] Yeah, without stopping. Six miles.

Speaker 1:
[276:59] What, like a...

Speaker 2:
[277:00] Ten-minute mile. Yeah, that's all.

Speaker 1:
[277:02] That's where you need to be.

Speaker 2:
[277:03] Yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 3:
[277:04] You can run a mile, tell me.

Speaker 4:
[277:05] Six miles without stopping?

Speaker 3:
[277:08] Start with one.

Speaker 4:
[277:09] I'm calling bullshit.

Speaker 2:
[277:11] No, no, I built up to that. I didn't start with that. My first run in fucking 15 to 20 years, when I got my Vapor Flies, went online, got Vapor Flies. My first run, what's a 5K, 3.1?

Speaker 4:
[277:26] Yeah, 3, yeah, 3.2, something like that.

Speaker 2:
[277:27] I did 2.7 without even stopping and did a circle and came home.

Speaker 1:
[277:32] This is when you've been mountain biking.

Speaker 2:
[277:33] Yeah, yeah, I'm cycling all the time.

Speaker 1:
[277:35] Yeah, that's-

Speaker 2:
[277:35] So then I got back home, I Googled a 5K and I was like, fuck, I almost did a 5K.

Speaker 1:
[277:39] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[277:39] So then I continued to just do 5Ks.

Speaker 1:
[277:42] I'm not a runner, I hate running, and everyone at our shop runs. Oh, really? They finally talked me into it, and it was the same, the first few times I ran sucked, but then after that, understanding heart rates and like, okay, Bryson, Benny is a mechanic, he's a big runner. He's like, dude, just run a 10-minute mile.

Speaker 2:
[278:00] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[278:01] It's like, because I'd been cycling a little bit, you already have some cardiovascular built up, so it's not that bad.

Speaker 2:
[278:06] No, listen.

Speaker 1:
[278:07] You're not starting from zero.

Speaker 2:
[278:09] I got my watch on and I literally look at it every 20 seconds on, how's my pace, because let's back it down or whatever. You know what I mean? You just do that.

Speaker 1:
[278:18] Yeah. We're not running an eight-minute mile. I would die. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[278:21] So I just looked at this guy's Twitter, dude. Okay. So obviously, I think Trump's an idiot and I've said a few things, but my Twitter feed is 90 marks, unobjectively, objectively, I should say. My Twitter feed is 90 percent moto, five percent politics, five percent hockey and stupid shit.

Speaker 5:
[278:45] I'd say that's pretty close. Right?

Speaker 2:
[278:46] Probably 90 percent moto and thoughts on moto and silly season stuff or whatever. I look at this guy's feed and so obviously, I think Trump's a moron. Now, you can disagree with that and I have no problem with that. But this guy, his first thing, his first tweet is about some fucking accident happened. The second one is about the Democrat Party. Scroll down everyone. Massachusetts justice system is his next one. The next one is First Amendment and calling people fucking stupid morons. He's retweeting these, but these are, his next one is something about Portland, Oregon. The next one is Somalis in Minnesota. What the fuck do you think this guy would?

Speaker 1:
[279:33] Sounds like he's on your side.

Speaker 2:
[279:33] Yeah, yeah, sounds exactly like. This guy sounds like someone that when I would make a point about Trump, this person does not sound like someone who would be rational about that. He probably struck back at me with an insult because clearly you look at his Twitter feed, he's all the way one side and holy fuck buddy, like everything you're reposting, like you're boring as fuck. Your friends are probably looking at you going, why are you doing this? You know? That's probably what they're thinking, like stop. Because you know, if I follow somebody and they are just on a fucking political rampage right or left, I'm out.

Speaker 1:
[280:11] Yeah, I'm you in that.

Speaker 2:
[280:12] I'm out. Also, if you are tweeting about nothing but cheesesteaks and every single tweet is about a Philly cheesesteak that you enjoy or that you want, I'm out. I'm also out on that.

Speaker 1:
[280:25] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[280:26] So, I guarantee you this fucking guy, looking at his Twitter feed, I said something about Trump and he came at me with some sort of insult and that's why he's blocked. So no, man.

Speaker 4:
[280:37] Sorry, Motofan, I was just trying to read your question.

Speaker 2:
[280:39] Yeah, man, I'm not doing it. I can see by your-

Speaker 4:
[280:41] Sorry, bro. You're out. The answer is no.

Speaker 2:
[280:43] But are you guys with me? Do you know what I'm saying? You look at a feed like that and you're like, well, this guy clearly couldn't handle me having a different opinion.

Speaker 4:
[280:52] I usually don't look at their feeds. I usually just start there.

Speaker 2:
[280:55] No, no. But just telling, I'm looking at his feed to judge why I blocked this guy. Why did I block this guy? Let's check his feed out. Oh, now I know why. He probably insulted me because if you insult me on Twitter, I'm blocking you. If you just say, hey, fat asshole. You can say like, hey, man, I really think the Republicans are doing great things with Trump. I'm not going to block you. I'm not going to do that. If you think-

Speaker 1:
[281:19] Allegedly.

Speaker 2:
[281:20] No, I'm just not. But if you call me a fat asshole, which is politics these days, no one can keep a sane brain.

Speaker 1:
[281:27] No, it's kill shots only.

Speaker 2:
[281:28] It's kill shots only. So then I'm going to block you. I'm just going to be like, yeah, man, I don't need this in my life. That's it. So, we have this, Marks?

Speaker 3:
[281:38] Yeah, if you know how to use search on Twitter, you can find some good stuff.

Speaker 1:
[281:43] Wait, if you just search fat asshole on Twitter, it's just kill shots of Mathis?

Speaker 2:
[281:47] Nothing came up, Marks.

Speaker 3:
[281:49] What do you mean?

Speaker 2:
[281:49] You're fake news. I clicked on that link, nothing came up.

Speaker 3:
[281:52] I'll show you, Lefter. I don't say anything egregious on here, to be fair.

Speaker 2:
[281:56] Really?

Speaker 3:
[281:57] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[281:58] You just ripped a Moto fan, a new one for no reason.

Speaker 3:
[282:01] Yeah. Where do you go?

Speaker 2:
[282:04] I'm calling BS on the egregiousness.

Speaker 3:
[282:07] I'll show you.

Speaker 2:
[282:07] So basically, yeah, if you insult me on social media, Instagram, I'll just block you. Just fuck off.

Speaker 1:
[282:12] Is there levels to this? What if they just like, oh, Matt, this you dumbass? Or it's like, no, like any type of?

Speaker 2:
[282:18] No, no, no. Like is it said like, yeah, if I say, hey, Hunter Lawrence is not going to win the Supercross title and someone says, you dumbass, Ken Roczen is. Yeah, I'm not blocking.

Speaker 1:
[282:29] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[282:29] That's just like, you know.

Speaker 1:
[282:30] We can't be too petty.

Speaker 2:
[282:31] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[282:31] Here's one for Moto fan. You can tell Dark and Kiefer are genuine good dudes. JT2, Steve, well, I could see him stepping on someone's throat to save a basset.

Speaker 1:
[282:40] That sounds fair. He might.

Speaker 2:
[282:43] Yeah. Listen, I just don't understand people, man. It's fucking weird where like, hey, I don't like Trump. Okay, you can at least understand that. If you go on my feed, it's like whenever I tweet something about politics, it's like stick to Motocross. Yeah, man, 90 percent of the time I do. Beat it.

Speaker 3:
[283:04] And then their feed is full of politics.

Speaker 2:
[283:06] Their feed is full of like anti-Libtard shit. And you're like, really, guy? I should stick to politics.

Speaker 1:
[283:13] I hate when people care if you don't care. I don't give a shit about politics. And people get so mad about it. You have to care. I'm like, dude, if I'm not going to go do something about it, then I'm not allowed to give a fuck.

Speaker 2:
[283:25] That is a great-

Speaker 1:
[283:26] I'm not going to go to my city council meeting.

Speaker 2:
[283:29] You're not protesting. You're not going to council meetings. You're not doing anything.

Speaker 1:
[283:32] Yeah, I'm like, why do I have a right to care? I don't care if people do, but don't get mad at me for not caring.

Speaker 2:
[283:38] No one used to care. I'm old enough to remember, no one gave a shit, dude, and now it is like fucking your sports team. The political party is your fucking sports team that you die with. You're like, wait, that's weird. Why would you be like that? These people don't give a fuck about you. They're all insider trading. They literally don't care about you.

Speaker 1:
[283:56] They don't give a shit about us.

Speaker 2:
[283:57] No, they're all getting rich off of us and fucking with us. And you're acting like these guys are your saviors.

Speaker 1:
[284:04] I've been on a couple of dates and politics got brought up. And, oh, man, the fact that I was on their side, they got so mad. I'm like, you're still hot, but this is weird.

Speaker 2:
[284:16] Yeah, it's really the downfall of our society right now.

Speaker 1:
[284:20] It really truly is because people like you just fucking spouting off on Twitter, man, just dividing people.

Speaker 2:
[284:27] Like I make a comment about Motocross and someone just brings politics into it. You're like, that's fucking weird, man. Because I think Nate Thrasher, it's weird that Nate Thrasher wins once a year and then that's it. And somehow that's to you equals a political leaning one way or another. But when you have mush for brains, when you sit in front of a TV, Muto, and your Facebook feeds you what you want, and you sit in front of a TV and listen to one of the channels tell you that the other side is why your life is no good, and the other side is what's going wrong with the world, and you take that all in for eight to 10 hours a day, your brain turns to mush.

Speaker 1:
[285:05] Yeah, you get brainwashed.

Speaker 2:
[285:07] Yeah, you're.

Speaker 1:
[285:08] Yeah, your Twitter feeds that, your Instagram feeds that.

Speaker 2:
[285:11] Your life is terrible because the Democrats did this over and over and over. And you're like, wait, it's not me because I work at 7-Eleven, because I have no education, it's not me, it's actually the Democrats?

Speaker 1:
[285:21] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[285:21] Like, if it wasn't for the Democrats, I would be a rocket scientist?

Speaker 1:
[285:25] Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Knock that shit off, Marks.

Speaker 2:
[285:29] Thanks, Muto. Yeah, Marks. Yeah, Marks, knock it off. That's my race-technique. Talon, you're next. Stop fucking putting politics into everything, you idiots out there. And I don't know about this guy, I'm not saying anything about this guy.

Speaker 4:
[285:41] Look, right here, he says, seriously, good on Steve and Chris is the kind of friend we could all use. But seriously, Steve broke some bad habits and got his ass moving. So many struggle just to do that. What a nice fan. Motofan254.

Speaker 1:
[285:53] I'm blocking. Let's go.

Speaker 4:
[285:53] Damon831st2025. What a great guy.

Speaker 2:
[285:57] Thank you. Thank you, Motofan, for the compliment. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1:
[285:59] Matthes sees that tweet and like, good job, fat ass. That's what he sees when he reads that.

Speaker 3:
[286:03] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[286:04] All right. Voicethedrungandpeople, is Stars Dynasty now more impressive than PCs?

Speaker 3:
[286:11] Oh my God.

Speaker 2:
[286:11] What is it with this tonight? Just because Lewis and Kelly?

Speaker 1:
[286:14] Can someone pull up the stats?

Speaker 2:
[286:17] With the caller guy talking about this, we had someone else talk. Yeah. I don't know about that. Nobody cares.

Speaker 4:
[286:21] Well, you mentioned running on the review show. Now we got running questions.

Speaker 2:
[286:25] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[286:25] It's impressive.

Speaker 4:
[286:28] SportingWood303.

Speaker 2:
[286:31] We need to bet on this Talon run a mile stuff. Could we throw down some money on this?

Speaker 1:
[286:35] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[286:35] I think he's got it. Do I get the money if I do it?

Speaker 1:
[286:39] Yeah. And then if you don't, you owe me 200 bucks.

Speaker 2:
[286:41] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[286:43] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[286:43] Fuck you, Talon.

Speaker 1:
[286:45] You can do it. It's literally just a mile.

Speaker 3:
[286:49] You don't have to go fast. You just jog. Watch out for this shit.

Speaker 1:
[286:53] One of our warehouse guys literally never ran before and just went running last week for the first time. And it wasn't pretty, but he gutted it out.

Speaker 2:
[287:03] I'll tell you what, man. It is hard to do. Like when you get started, like I did it and it's fucking your body for the first. What happens though is it gets easier, man. It really does.

Speaker 1:
[287:11] The first two times are horrible. Yeah, it sucks.

Speaker 4:
[287:14] Well, it would be my first two times.

Speaker 1:
[287:16] Yeah, then it's going to suck. But then after that, it's like, but like starting from zero, like, like we had an advantage by doing some form of cardiovascular exercise. That's that.

Speaker 2:
[287:25] I saw Talon on the e-bike out in the trail. So he has done it.

Speaker 1:
[287:28] You got a shot. Yeah, I believe in you.

Speaker 2:
[287:31] Yeah, that was the most unenthusiastic yeah I've ever heard in my life.

Speaker 4:
[287:35] I'm not a runner anyway. Sport and Wood 303. Big Lou interviewed Sugar Shane post-race this weekend. They talked about how he always gets stronger towards the end of the SX season. Percent pie, this is due to him having to drop down to 250s during the off season and or constantly racing throughout the year.

Speaker 2:
[287:52] No, because if he was constantly racing, he'd be tired by the end of the AMA Supercar stuff. So no, I don't think so.

Speaker 4:
[287:58] What about the 250?

Speaker 2:
[287:59] No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1:
[288:01] I don't know, but last year was, dude, he was ripping off. His starts were so good.

Speaker 2:
[288:05] Yeah. He got fifth in the last race of the weekend.

Speaker 1:
[288:09] Shane did?

Speaker 2:
[288:09] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[288:10] Oh yeah, Shane.

Speaker 2:
[288:11] So you got the results right there, Muto.

Speaker 1:
[288:13] Damn. Yeah, that's peak Shane. He started doing that a little bit earlier in the season last year.

Speaker 4:
[288:21] A. Lewandowski, 421, why do a majority of factory mechanics have a stopwatch with them during when the rider is on track? Are they doing anything different?

Speaker 2:
[288:29] Is this Loo Dogg?

Speaker 1:
[288:29] That's Loo Dogg from Beta? Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[288:32] Are they doing anything different than just taking lap times? And if not, wouldn't it be easier for someone on the headset to tell them?

Speaker 1:
[288:39] Anthony, you are a mechanic. You should know this.

Speaker 4:
[288:41] Yeah. That's why he's wondering.

Speaker 2:
[288:42] What's Loo Dogg doing now? Is he around?

Speaker 1:
[288:43] Dude, he's a Florida guy now.

Speaker 2:
[288:45] Oh, okay.

Speaker 1:
[288:45] Yeah, he's just surviving out there.

Speaker 2:
[288:46] Like working, wrenching or?

Speaker 1:
[288:48] I haven't know. Riding.

Speaker 2:
[288:49] He's riding?

Speaker 1:
[288:49] That's all I see. He's riding, dude. That husky's got some hours on it.

Speaker 2:
[288:53] He's got a salary? He's got a team?

Speaker 1:
[288:56] No. So Anthony, you should know this, but I think from my perspective, sometimes it doesn't update fast enough, especially if the mechanics area is right after the finish line. So I'll just use my watch and take my lap times off of a jump that's close to that.

Speaker 2:
[289:13] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[289:13] Just so that I have an accurate representation that if Carlin misses it or it just doesn't populate fast enough or someone talks to him, and then I have someone to give them. You know? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[289:22] I did the same thing.

Speaker 1:
[289:23] Yeah. That's probably why.

Speaker 2:
[289:25] Come on, Lou Dog.

Speaker 1:
[289:25] He knows. He's just giving us an easy one.

Speaker 2:
[289:28] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[289:29] Jimmy G. Taylor, when a pro level rider tests the beta, is there any common trait or characteristic that they routinely mention?

Speaker 1:
[289:37] The few that have, they just really like the chassis. They really like the chassis, suspension, churning, mainly just a lot of like, I'm very impressed by the chassis stuff. So I'd say that's the number one thing that stands out.

Speaker 4:
[289:56] All right. Louisville 486, does Feld have the dirt jerks vet the dirt before they buy it? Could there be a team of dirt jerks that is going weeks prior to each round to work in some soil amendments to get the dirt better?

Speaker 2:
[290:08] That's a funny one. They got to pay extra to send the dirt jerks to look at the dirt. No, man, they don't know what they're getting. They really don't. There was some controversy for Nashville where they were told it was new dirt, but it really wasn't, and they didn't know. And then they said the dirt guy was shady that they bought it from and told them it was new dirt, but they're like, we don't think so. It's a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[290:30] There's a couple of times on TrackWalk where I'm just scanning for dangerous stuff just to toss off to the side.

Speaker 2:
[290:35] I'm looking for like used condoms and hobo hats and stuff.

Speaker 1:
[290:38] It's like San Diego in the pits. You're finding like burn up spoons and needles at the old Peco.

Speaker 4:
[290:45] Be Her 95, Steve, a lot of Moto media, including the hack and the fraud, are always wanting more professionalism within the sport, but wouldn't that ruin the connection of fans' media to the riders? Example, we wouldn't see media compete in a whole shot challenge while factory riders watch.

Speaker 2:
[290:59] Yeah. I said that exact same thing to someone else that was complaining about the media, or the, sorry, complaining about the teams with the media in the sport, and they have a point, and it is very unprofessional at times, and nobody seems to give a fuck about the media and updates and caring whether we get the story or caring whether we get the interview or not, and we're a conduit to the fans, right? So you would think that in a way they don't care about the fans by not caring about the media. However, I say to this person, be careful what you wish for, because I have a buddy who follows the Toronto Maple Leafs, back to that, and that's what he does for a living.

Speaker 1:
[291:33] Protect a pig.

Speaker 2:
[291:34] And he, thank you. He can't text a player. He has a relationship with a couple of players on the team. I said, can't you text these guys and just get sort of the inside scoop like you and I would or whatever? He's like, oh no, fuck no, the PR would light him up. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1:
[291:49] Yeah, then you're ex-nade from the locker room and you're.

Speaker 2:
[291:52] And I'm just like, that's okay. Do we want that in our sport where I can't text Roczen or Savace or whoever and get a joke or a funny antidote or anything, you know? So no, be careful what you wish for.

Speaker 7:
[292:05] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[292:06] I think, go ahead.

Speaker 2:
[292:07] Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1:
[292:07] I think there should be like an F1, there's a mandatory like they have to go to the media pen.

Speaker 7:
[292:12] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[292:12] But there's more media there so there can be people just in the media pen not watching the race to go do like a little interview with someone's car breaks down midway through the race. But like if you watch those guys, like it's the pinnacle of motorsport racing in the world. And like the team principals will fuck with each other. Like the drivers will mess with each other. Like it is not as tightly buttoned up as you think.

Speaker 2:
[292:37] Right.

Speaker 1:
[292:37] So it's like if that's what they're doing at the top, I think we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously.

Speaker 2:
[292:43] Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1:
[292:44] So like there's a balance. Like they should have to talk to the media.

Speaker 2:
[292:48] Here's the thing, Feld, despite repeated requests and despite multiple meetings at Feld and Tampa and at Press Boxes and everything else, Feld refuses to help us. They refuse to help us. They don't give a fuck about whether we get the story or not, but they care very much that they get the story, they get the team manager press conferences, they get the press conferences, everything for their social, everything for their stories. And us, they don't care. We've tried, we've asked, they've asked us, we've had meetings. It's obvious they don't care. So that's how we have to deal with it. So good luck to us.

Speaker 1:
[293:32] In my brain, that just means that they're just happy with the money they're getting and that's it. They're fine. They don't want it to get bigger. It's big enough. They're fine.

Speaker 2:
[293:40] They're completely fine. They don't really help us much. And it's sad a little bit. But it is what it is.

Speaker 1:
[293:46] We try our best and we do what we can because you got the FOM and which is like the team side that had negotiates with the FIA and then said that you have some bargain to where us. It's a dictatorship.

Speaker 2:
[293:58] There's nothing. And even to be fair to Feld, when I say they don't want to help us, some of the teams in these meetings have been like, we don't fucking care. You know, we don't care. Why are we here? And we're like, because this is trying to get your media side out better. And then we got PR people that aren't PR people that work for the teams in the pits. And you're like, wait, you're not even like schooled in PR. You know, like, so it's, it's loose. But again, be careful what you wish for.

Speaker 1:
[294:27] Yeah, there's gotta be give and take on both sides.

Speaker 4:
[294:31] Thirsty says he's been training with Jelly since December, has me absolutely primed for this triathlon season.

Speaker 2:
[294:37] RS endurance, but also troll training. We got troll training on the show, so I'll forget.

Speaker 1:
[294:40] Jelly's a beast, dude. You can catch him in a hotel gym early, just beating up a treadmill.

Speaker 2:
[294:47] Yep.

Speaker 4:
[294:48] Oscar A060, what do you think the next move is for Juju? Same question for Kitchen, although different circumstances.

Speaker 2:
[294:55] Yeah, Juju's ready for the outdoors, I guess. He'll be ready, so we'll see how he does. Serious injury. Levi needs to get healthy, man. It sucks. He's not riding that well right now, and he's beat up with his back.

Speaker 1:
[295:06] Yeah, it has been weird, the speed drop off from last year, but I don't know, man. I mean, that crash at Daytona was so nasty last year, like that can linger. That could hold you back for a little bit.

Speaker 2:
[295:18] Yeah, he mentioned that, too.

Speaker 1:
[295:20] Like it's there.

Speaker 2:
[295:21] Yep.

Speaker 4:
[295:22] All right. Last two, both from Jimmy G. First one, he says, ClubMX seems to be getting everything out of their program. Do they need to jump to a different brand to become a premier A-level team? Brandon Haas must be tired of competing with Bobby Big Pockets. Reagan, who would be a good fit for them?

Speaker 2:
[295:38] Well, they've talked to Akadi, they've talked to KTM, so they're aware of that, for sure. But Yamaha is a great platform with Twisted to get some results. There's that too. Suzuki program is out there for anybody that wants it, apparently, the 250 program. So they could do it. There's help out there, but they got to decide that.

Speaker 1:
[295:56] Yeah. They need like a $2 million a year sponsor. It's just probably like they've got good riders, but they don't have like race level winning riders. That's the difference.

Speaker 2:
[296:05] But yeah, they're not going to surplant Star.

Speaker 1:
[296:08] No. Because if somebody does good enough on their bike, then they'll just get paid more and go to Star.

Speaker 4:
[296:15] All right. Last one from Jimmy G. If this 450 series comes down to the last round, I'm thinking about traveling to Salt Lake. Where do the teams normally stay and are there any bar hangouts set for all the motorheads we'll be gathering at?

Speaker 2:
[296:27] Those days are over kind of.

Speaker 1:
[296:29] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[296:29] They used to be more prevalent.

Speaker 1:
[296:31] There's like no like after race parties.

Speaker 2:
[296:33] No, dude, there used to be.

Speaker 1:
[296:34] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[296:35] I'm not kidding you. Like I'm dating myself here. Okay. But MC and Fro and Phil Lawrence and all those guys would go to the after parties after the races. They really would. And all of us would go. And they were literally like, yeah, everybody kind of knew there was a indoor, there was a bar in the mall in Indianapolis we would go to. There was a Chili's slash little bar in the hotel in Indianapolis we would go to. SoCal had a place by Glen Helen. Yeah. Like we would go. And everyone, lots of guys would go.

Speaker 1:
[297:03] Yeah. If anything, it's just like the whole, like for team wise, most riders I think are out. But like team wise, like a couple of drinks at the bar, at the hotel, as long as the race doesn't end too late.

Speaker 2:
[297:13] And I think the teams stay mostly downtown in Salt Lake, right?

Speaker 1:
[297:17] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[297:18] I mean, I stay by the airport. It's cheaper, but.

Speaker 1:
[297:20] Yeah. Well, a lot of teams, they use like the same agent. So like we'll be staying at the same place as the same teams most of the time, but also you kind of want to air it out. I mean, they don't, I mean, rider wise, you don't need a bunch of fans is bugging them. But if you see a team guy, go bullshit with them. Don't be scared. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[297:35] Once you see Benny or Oldenburg, I mean, stay away from them. They're not.

Speaker 1:
[297:38] Yeah. They're not really that friendly. Benny, Benny bites.

Speaker 2:
[297:41] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[297:43] That's horrible.

Speaker 2:
[297:44] motorsport.com go through the banner to help us out. Thank you to the motorsport guys for coming on board. Also, Brian Stone. We all live longer ages. Really is just a number Muto, but retirement is so much more than that.

Speaker 1:
[297:56] It says VOT Max, just a number.

Speaker 2:
[297:58] Brian Stone, your Edward Jones, financial... 44? 44. edwardjones.com, we get started with Brian Stone. He's an old privateer from back in the day, crushing it. Call him at 816-761-4066. Visit edwardjones.com to get started today for your investing and financial needs. Thank you to those guys. Also, don't forget, USMCA certified coaches, three full days in Mays, Kansas, bar to bar MX, Red Line Synthetic Oil is a sponsor for this mega camp going down. Check that out. Muto, Lars Lindstrom, Christian Craig, Billy Hartle, Matt Lemoine, Phil Nicoletti, Josh Ellingson. Best interview tonight.

Speaker 1:
[298:42] Probably Billy and Phil. Yeah, because they kind of combined. Yeah, yeah, the Eleven 10 Mod Stories, there really should be a podcast about that, of you guys just shooting stories back and forth.

Speaker 4:
[298:54] You should have heard how excited Phil was when I told him we were getting him on to talk to Billy. Oh, really? He was like, Billy, I was with him at Eleven 10. Instantly perked up.

Speaker 2:
[299:02] Yeah. Okay, so you're going with Phil and Billy?

Speaker 1:
[299:04] Yeah, and it was funnier, too, because I was driving up here talking to my buddy Alex, who's a New Jersey guy, he's close with Phil. He's telling me how his dad rescued Phil from the Eleven 10 mods and they went racing three races out of his box today. Oh, really?

Speaker 2:
[299:16] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Phil also was riding a CRF 450 from Brett Q while racing from Motorsport Cali 250s, so that was a great start.

Speaker 1:
[299:25] You're practicing on that?

Speaker 2:
[299:26] Yeah, practicing on that during the week. Talon, best interview for you?

Speaker 4:
[299:32] Lemoine. I haven't heard from Lemoine in 10 years probably.

Speaker 2:
[299:36] Right, a long time. Marks?

Speaker 3:
[299:39] Yeah, I think I'll go to Lemoine, too.

Speaker 2:
[299:41] Okay, I'll go Christian Craig.

Speaker 1:
[299:43] That was a good one, too.

Speaker 2:
[299:43] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[299:44] He was a little sad.

Speaker 2:
[299:44] Good to hear.

Speaker 1:
[299:45] They were all good. There wasn't a bad interview.

Speaker 2:
[299:47] No, it's because you're here. You bring out the best in people. Beta USA. Check them out. Muto, Paula, opening round.

Speaker 1:
[299:55] Catch the fever.

Speaker 2:
[299:56] Catch the fever, dude.

Speaker 1:
[299:57] We just got to make it through Paula. Make it through Paula, get that one out of the way, and then it's just regular normal tracks after that.

Speaker 2:
[300:03] Okay. First thing that comes to your mind when I say the sponsor list. Are you ready?

Speaker 1:
[300:07] I'm ready.

Speaker 2:
[300:07] Taylor Muto, here we go. motorsport.com.

Speaker 1:
[300:09] Garmin Power Pedals. That's where I got my cycling pedals from.

Speaker 2:
[300:14] Okay. That's odd.

Speaker 3:
[300:15] That's a weird start.

Speaker 2:
[300:17] Is that like through REI?

Speaker 1:
[300:19] No. They were on Motorsport? Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[300:22] So Phil told me I don't need those. They're like $800.

Speaker 1:
[300:27] Yeah. They were not cheap.

Speaker 2:
[300:28] Right. He told me not to get those.

Speaker 1:
[300:30] I feel like I got a good deal on my road bike. I was like, if I'm going to get this, I'm already a few grand in. I want to know where my power numbers are. I want to get all the info I can. Otherwise, I'm like, I want to eat it now. I'm already spending a lot of money. I'm just going to eat it now. Chick at the time was not thrilled.

Speaker 2:
[300:51] Yeah. Phil said I don't need them. Fly racing.

Speaker 1:
[300:54] I'm a fly racing athlete.

Speaker 2:
[300:56] Decal works.

Speaker 1:
[300:57] Got them on my 85 when I was young.

Speaker 2:
[301:00] Race tech.

Speaker 1:
[301:03] Matt Chase.

Speaker 2:
[301:04] X-brand.

Speaker 1:
[301:06] Rich Taylor.

Speaker 2:
[301:07] Michelin.

Speaker 1:
[301:08] Randy.

Speaker 2:
[301:09] Renthal.

Speaker 1:
[301:12] I was trying to think of the Ben that Colt ran. Paul P. Huh?

Speaker 2:
[301:17] Paul P.

Speaker 1:
[301:17] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[301:18] Cherubies.

Speaker 1:
[301:20] Sponsors. Betis. Motorcycles.

Speaker 2:
[301:22] Firepower.

Speaker 1:
[301:25] Change in Sprockets.

Speaker 2:
[301:26] Maxima USA.

Speaker 1:
[301:29] Great Contact Cleaner.

Speaker 2:
[301:31] Throw filter.

Speaker 1:
[301:33] One and done.

Speaker 2:
[301:34] OGO.

Speaker 1:
[301:35] Pilo. Love them.

Speaker 2:
[301:36] Renegade Race Fuels.

Speaker 1:
[301:38] Apparently, God will haunt a championship.

Speaker 2:
[301:40] Atlas Protection.

Speaker 1:
[301:44] Press and Core uses them.

Speaker 2:
[301:46] Guts Racing.

Speaker 1:
[301:48] Hated putting their seat covers on.

Speaker 2:
[301:49] You did?

Speaker 1:
[301:50] I don't know why. They just kicked my ass. I've only put a couple on, but they just ate me up the first time I did it.

Speaker 2:
[301:56] I thought guts are pretty good to put on myself.

Speaker 1:
[301:58] Yeah, I don't. If it's a me thing. It's a superior mechanic. Yeah, if you are.

Speaker 2:
[302:01] Cardo Systems.

Speaker 1:
[302:03] They don't want to hear me.

Speaker 2:
[302:05] Works Connection.

Speaker 1:
[302:06] The best whole shot devices in the business, hands down.

Speaker 2:
[302:09] Twisted. Sorry. motorcyclemachinesjobs.com.

Speaker 1:
[302:13] Okay. A little rant here.

Speaker 2:
[302:15] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[302:15] The last time I was in here, there was a job in Huntington Beach.

Speaker 2:
[302:19] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[302:19] I was like, oh, that's sick. I saw a comment. Somebody is like, yeah, minimum wage living in Huntington Beach sounds like a great job offer. That fucked me up when I saw that. I thought that was so funny. Chris Hymas uses them.

Speaker 2:
[302:34] All right. He mapped mine.

Speaker 1:
[302:36] Good.

Speaker 2:
[302:37] I took it to Mesquite.

Speaker 1:
[302:37] Dude, Goose goes there to use his dyno. I met Goose. I'm like, that's fucking Goose. Nobody knew who he was.

Speaker 2:
[302:42] By the way, we tried to get Berludi in, but he was out of town.

Speaker 1:
[302:45] That's fine, man. I just wanted to tell Berludi I love them and make him feel weird.

Speaker 2:
[302:48] WUSA.

Speaker 1:
[302:50] Good wheels.

Speaker 2:
[302:51] Fox Factory vehicles.

Speaker 1:
[302:53] Make anything for Tesla?

Speaker 2:
[302:55] No. I'm out. Factory chassis parts.

Speaker 1:
[303:00] Work chassis lab.

Speaker 2:
[303:02] Wiseco piston.

Speaker 1:
[303:05] Does it need some Wise pistons from your co?

Speaker 2:
[303:08] MTX braking.

Speaker 1:
[303:10] I'll hit you up when I need brake pads.

Speaker 2:
[303:11] Okay. Lux on.

Speaker 1:
[303:13] Lux Turner.

Speaker 2:
[303:16] Okay. Ethica.

Speaker 1:
[303:19] They make the best stuff. Anytime that you hit the $4 sale they had.

Speaker 2:
[303:24] I don't know. Does the code work with that, I wonder? PulpMX20. Does the code work?

Speaker 1:
[303:27] I only buy stuff off there when there's a deal and I was taking a poop at the shop. I got an email that there is a $4 sale and everything. I ran out there and I'm like, everybody get your phones out.

Speaker 2:
[303:36] Did you put your pants up first?

Speaker 1:
[303:38] No. Oh yeah. I ran out there. Dick out.

Speaker 2:
[303:40] Beta USA.

Speaker 1:
[303:41] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[303:42] HR violation.

Speaker 1:
[303:43] Yeah. We don't got one of those.

Speaker 2:
[303:45] Troll trading.

Speaker 1:
[303:47] Dog.

Speaker 2:
[303:48] He is a dog.

Speaker 1:
[303:49] Absolute dog.

Speaker 2:
[303:51] Awesome, man. Well, listen, thanks for coming in. Drove here. You got the record for the latest arrival. So there is that. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1:
[303:58] I've sat down literally all day today.

Speaker 2:
[304:00] Yeah. Not a lot of calories burned today.

Speaker 1:
[304:03] No, zero.

Speaker 2:
[304:03] Six hour drive, five hour pulp show.

Speaker 1:
[304:05] Couple naps in the Tesla.

Speaker 2:
[304:06] Right.

Speaker 1:
[304:08] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[304:09] Good news is, though, we can go for a mountain bike ride in the morning if you want.

Speaker 1:
[304:13] I think I might just go for a run.

Speaker 2:
[304:15] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[304:16] I might be down.

Speaker 2:
[304:18] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[304:19] My buddy told me I had to go on a mountain bike ride with you.

Speaker 2:
[304:21] Really?

Speaker 1:
[304:22] Why?

Speaker 2:
[304:22] Just because people do it?

Speaker 1:
[304:25] I feel like it's like a ride of passage.

Speaker 2:
[304:26] It kind of is. But you can also go for a run. Maybe I'll run with you.

Speaker 1:
[304:30] Yeah. Hey, I'll get something. I need to do something. I might have a blood claw in the way back.

Speaker 2:
[304:35] I'm sitting so long.

Speaker 1:
[304:36] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[304:37] Listen, thank you to people for watching and listening. Appreciate it. Use the codes to save at pulpmxshow.com. Please support that. LCQ Raffle. Please buy that. PulpMX gives back. Check it out as well. Christian Craig, Billy Hartle, Matt Lemoine, Phil Nicoletti, Josh Ellingson. Thank you for their time tonight. Thanks to Swiss Core and Kellen Brower and Pookie for all that they do. Marks?

Speaker 3:
[304:59] Steven.

Speaker 2:
[304:59] Good job.

Speaker 3:
[305:00] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[305:01] Talon.

Speaker 4:
[305:02] Yes, Steve.

Speaker 2:
[305:02] Great job, buddy.

Speaker 4:
[305:03] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[305:04] Great job. Thank you.

Speaker 4:
[305:05] It's an outrage.

Speaker 2:
[305:07] Taylor Muto in studio. So maybe we'll get you back. You want to come back sometime?

Speaker 1:
[305:10] Yeah. Next time if my flight gets delayed, send the PJ out to pick me up.

Speaker 2:
[305:14] Yeah, I could do that. You'll be busy grinding for the next little while, but we'll find some time.

Speaker 1:
[305:19] Yeah. Like I texted you, maybe we'll give a State of the Union one of these. Yeah. Fly back in from a race after build day or something. I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[305:26] Yeah, we'll figure it out for sure. But good luck for the upcoming summer, of course.

Speaker 1:
[305:29] No. Yeah, I appreciate it, man. It's really cool. It was really cool to come in here and do this. Yeah, it was really fun. Hopefully everyone enjoyed it. You know, it's cool to see people want more Muto. Yeah, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2:
[305:39] We gave it to him. Right, Marks? We had some comments on YouTube too.

Speaker 3:
[305:41] So every time he's in.

Speaker 1:
[305:42] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[305:43] We don't need those riders, dude.

Speaker 1:
[305:46] Something's got to get me out of the trenches, man, because apparently I'm not cut out to be a manager. So something's got to get me out of here. I'll take over The PulpMX Empire.

Speaker 2:
[305:54] There we go. That sounds good. Listen, everybody, thank you for watching and listening. Taylor Muto in studio here. We're back next week. Weege is in. Wygant's in.

Speaker 1:
[306:04] That'll be a good one.

Speaker 2:
[306:04] That'll be a really good one. It's always fucking great to have Wygant in for sure. So looking forward to that.

Speaker 1:
[306:09] You got to have Banger Nightline though.

Speaker 2:
[306:11] Yeah. Again, thanks for watching. Listen, appreciate it. See you next week.

Speaker 5:
[306:14] I'm the baddest motherfucker of all time.

Speaker 7:
[306:16] Hold my drink, bitch.

Speaker 5:
[306:19] There's something I want to get off my chest. And it's about that summer when you went away to community college. I got an offer to do Playgirl magazine. And I did it. I did a full spread for Playgirl magazine. I mean spread, man. I pulled my butt apart and stuff and I was totally nude. It was weird. I mean, you probably didn't hear about it because I went under the name of Mike Honcho. But I just wanted you to know that. If you could hear me, if it got into your brain somehow, that I spread my butt cheeks as Mike Honcho.