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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Coming up in this incredible part 3 episode with Arthur Brooks. Can you find true meaning in your life if you do not believe in a power greater than yourself?

Speaker 2:
[00:10] The answer is no. I need his prayers, and my family needs his prayers. And he prayed for me. And it was a great day.

Speaker 1:
[00:22] I've never seen you get emotional before.

Speaker 2:
[00:24] We need each other. Your life is measured in love. If you can allow people to love you, you've lifted other people up in the way that really matters. In the only way that really matters. That's the bottom line. I think that's why we're here. I honestly think that's why we're here.

Speaker 1:
[00:44] Do you know the meaning of your life? Do you feel a true sense of purpose? Is this something you've been searching for, but perhaps are struggling with? If so, you're not alone. Millions of people, in fact, describe this feeling of a growing sense of emptiness or lack of significance. And if you can relate and if you want more meaning and fulfillment in your life, then today's episode is for you. Arthur C. Brooks is a Harvard professor, PhD social scientist, and number one bestselling author of multiple books who specializes in using the highest levels of science and philosophy to provide people with actionable strategies to live their best lives right now. And in his brand new book, it's called The Meaning of Your Life. He leans on cutting edge science and great philosophers to give us a blueprint that he says will help even the most skeptical person find a life of spiritual transcendence, passionate love, and true calling. Yes, please. Arthur speaks to audiences around the world about human happiness and he's flown across country to be here in person with you and me today. I am so excited for this conversation. And whether today you're listening for yourself or because someone you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to The Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. Thank you so much for being here. If you haven't done this already, can you take a second and click the follow or subscribe button on the app you're listening to or watching on right now? It really truly means the world to me. And also you can get more inspiration for free right now from me to you. Just join my newsletter community at jameykernlima.com. And this incredible episode today, it's not just for you and me. Please share this with every single person that you know who may need some inspiration or to find meaning in their life today. Because what you're about to hear can truly impact mine, yours and their lives too.

Speaker 3:
[02:46] Welcome to The Jamie Kern Lima Show.

Speaker 1:
[02:50] Oprah, how have you defied the odds?

Speaker 2:
[02:53] Her show is unlike any I've ever done.

Speaker 3:
[02:56] A revelation. When you listen, it feels like a hug.

Speaker 1:
[03:00] First Lady Michelle Obama. Jamie, you are going so deep.

Speaker 3:
[03:05] I have never had this in-depth conversation.

Speaker 2:
[03:08] I've actually never said that out loud to anybody in an interview before. You know how to get there.

Speaker 3:
[03:14] Your brain and your spirit and your heart is like, wow.

Speaker 1:
[03:18] Melinda French Gates.

Speaker 3:
[03:21] When I look into Jamie's eyes, I feel like I am on some other cosmic level with her.

Speaker 1:
[03:27] Megan, Duchess of Sussex.

Speaker 2:
[03:30] I wasn't expecting that one. I could see the light around her. She's infused with light.

Speaker 1:
[03:35] Maria Shriver.

Speaker 2:
[03:36] I never made that mistake again.

Speaker 1:
[03:39] Imagine overcoming self-doubt, learning to believe in yourself and trust yourself, and know you are enough. Welcome to The Jamie Kern Lima Show.

Speaker 3:
[03:51] Jamie Kern Lima is her name.

Speaker 2:
[03:52] Everybody needs Jamie Kern Lima in their life.

Speaker 3:
[03:55] Jamie Kern Lima. Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern Lima.

Speaker 1:
[04:05] Can you find true meaning in your life? If you do not believe in a power greater than yourself?

Speaker 2:
[04:11] The answer is yes. The answer is yes. What you need to do is stand in awe of something that's amazing. So that's really what it transcends to. And you need to serve other people. You need love toward other people. And you need to be needed is actually how this works. And it's a really beautiful thing that I actually find in my research, how to be needed by somebody else. And one of the ways to do this, by the way, that a lot of people miss, is to allow people to serve you. A lot of people don't want to do that in our me, me, me, me, me, me based culture. I'm so independent. I'm such a rugged individualist that nobody, I don't need anybody. And I've experienced this, I had a very interesting experience that helped me understand this scientifically, but personally as well. I was giving a lecture at a university and I was talking about how the most selfless people allow them to be served by others because that allows other people to transcend when they help you. And a beautiful gift you can give to somebody else is letting them help you, right? And a kid puts up his hand and he said, well, what about people who I can't give anything to where there's nothing that they could do that I need? And I said, well, give me an example. He said, well, a homeless person. I said, huh. And I was stumped for a minute. Matter of fact, I went home that night and I thought about it. And then I had this idea about transcendence and this kind of switcheroo. And I was out on the street, I was in New York, and a guy asks me, he's hungry. He asks me, and so I believe you should give. So I got him food, right? And then as I was giving him the food, I said, will you do something for me? And he said, well, what? I mean, nobody's ever asked him for anything. I said, would you please pray for me and my family? Because I believe I need his prayers. The truth is, I actually need his prayers. I believe that God hears the cries of the poor, especially. And I'm not poor. I'm not poor in so many ways. I'm rich in so many ways. But I need his prayers, and my family needs his prayers. And he prayed for me. And it was a great day. It was a great day. And he was seven feet tall because he gave me something I needed. And that's what we can do. That's transcendence. Whether you believe in God or not, that's transcendence.

Speaker 1:
[06:37] That's so good. That is so beautiful. I've never seen you get emotional before.

Speaker 2:
[06:44] I need the cries of the poor. I need the prayers of the poor.

Speaker 1:
[06:54] And what do you mean exactly by that?

Speaker 2:
[06:56] You know, we need each other. And we live in a world where we're so strong, but it's not right, it isn't right. When other people help us, and when we love each other mutually, yeah, it's the right side of our brains, but it's our hearts are on fire. Again, your life is measured in love. If you can allow people to love you, you've lifted other people up in the way that really matters. And the only way that really matters, that's the bottom line. I think that's why we're here. I honestly think that's why we're here. And it's a, you know, life is full of lessons like that, right? That's why I do my work.

Speaker 1:
[07:46] I'm thinking of the homeless man and how he must have felt after praying for you.

Speaker 2:
[07:52] Yeah. And who knows if he's telling us that story? And I didn't fix his life. You know, people can watch this and say, yeah, Brooks, but did you buy him a house? Like, no, you know, but we all have little ways, big ways, of course, and public policies and taxes. And but little ways too. Because once again, it's in the micro decisions that we make that we lift each other up.

Speaker 1:
[08:15] And he lived in love in that moment.

Speaker 2:
[08:17] Yeah. And I bet he doesn't get very many of those moments. Because people don't look at him as a human. But boy, oh boy, do I need him.

Speaker 1:
[08:29] Do you believe that we all have a divine calling?

Speaker 2:
[08:34] Yes, I believe that we have a calling, which is what we're meant to do. And that doesn't mean it's the same thing all the time. It doesn't mean that you, you have one calling, Jamie. It means there's a lot of things that you're meant to do. And that are no vocation. What they have to do with is that that's how you earn your success, and uniquely using your talents, and that's how you serve other people. And that's going to change over the course of your life. And that your job is to look for that and serve it. Right, that's one of the reasons that it's so critically important in finding meaning and not getting stuck. Not getting stuck. And you know, if you go through business school, you went through business school, I teach you to business school. We know the business school culture really well. Okay, you're going to get on the path and all the way up. That's a mistake for a lot of people, because that's not a search for calling, that's a search for success. And calling is going to find you if you're actually listening, thinking how can I earn my success and how can I serve other people? And how can I uniquely do that at different points in my life? Women are better than that than men, by the way. And the reason is because women will come out of college, if they go to college and they'll do a particular job. And then they'll generally change speeds if they're having children, and they'll be spending more time creating value with the people who, with the poor who need them the most, which is their children, because these are the poor. I mean, they have nothing except for you. And then they'll, at a particular point in life, they'll go back and do something different than they did in the first phase. Generally speaking, women will have like four different phases, four different callings at different points in their life. And it's a very beautiful thing. Men struggle with that a lot more. And so I have to coach a lot of guys to be more like their wives.

Speaker 1:
[10:14] Do you think our lives are divinely orchestrated?

Speaker 2:
[10:18] Yes, I do believe that. I believe that God has a plan for my life. And my job is to actually have that, is to uncover that, to discover that, to discover what that actually is. And that's a theory. Some people think that entrepreneurs invent stuff. Some people think that entrepreneurs discover something that was already out there, it just hadn't been discovered yet. That all the ideas are kind of out there. And you got to discover it. So I would ask you, because you're an entrepreneur, do you believe that you invented something or discovered something?

Speaker 1:
[10:46] When I built it Cosmetics, a lot of people don't know this. I don't think I've ever been asked this, but we launch over 100 products. I would pray for divine downloads. I would pray, like, God, can you tell me what people need? What will inspire people? What's something that is different and better than anything else out there that's going to make someone's life better? Like, I would pray for divine downloads. I feel, just like when I wrote my books, I felt like they came through me. I didn't feel like it was me. I didn't feel like I have some talent where I thought of something. I literally would pray for it.

Speaker 2:
[11:21] You felt like you revealed something.

Speaker 1:
[11:22] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[11:23] Yeah. That's the discovery theory. See, it's not you. It's not Jamie, Jamie, Jamie. Invented this thing. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was there. It just had to be discovered by you. And that requires a lot of humility or a lot of openness is how this works. And so that's what I believe is the case for all of our lives, that our life has a real purpose to it, has that second component of meaning, and that we're here to discover what that is. And when it's time to change, to discover what that new path actually is, that's how the pilgrimage works. Every religion has a pilgrimage. And that means just walking and walking and walking until you find what you seek, but really till what you're seeking finds you. That's how this works. And I've walked pilgrimages before, like hundreds of miles, pilgrimages until you're tired and beaten down and sweaty and you've got blisters and then your truth finds you. Then the truth finds you. And I think that that's actually divine revelation. And for me, I believe that God really does have something He wants me to do with my life. You know, there were times when I thought that I could only do this one thing when I was a musician and it wasn't going very well by my late 20s. And I might be able to support my family. And until I realized much later that that wasn't my calling anymore. And I was getting, it's like God's not going to put up billboards on the interstate, but He gives you all kinds of information about this by putting things in your life that show you new opportunities, that put barriers in your life to show you that it's actually time to change, which by the way, if you're super resistant to pain, you're going to miss all those signs. You're going to miss your suffering, your pain is not going to be giving you the signals that you actually need. And when the pain comes, because something is not going right, and you're not resistant to the pain, the pain will still be there, but the suffering will be lower, and you'll be in the right lane.

Speaker 1:
[13:14] That's so good. And also, do you feel like to hear God's calling for us, or even to notice the suffering, or the roadblocks, or the this or the that, do you feel like we need to create space to do that? How do we hear what God's dream is for us, because He's divinely orchestrating our life?

Speaker 2:
[13:34] It's good to suspect something we were talking about before. Here's how we don't do it. We live in the future, because you're not listening, because the channel's not open. The relationship with God is a relationship of pure love, and you can only love now. And that means that, the practical way to do this is to practice something. It's why people who meditate and pray, that they have good information. I mean, this is download time is the way that this works, but that's because the channel of love is open. I believe that God always has his channel of love open to us, but we close off that channel. And sometimes it's because we're occupied with very important things, like what's going to happen tomorrow, and I better make some plans. But a lot of the time, we're distracting ourselves, and we're closing off that channel because we're distracting ourselves. And that's when loving now actually will make it possible for us to figure out what's going on here. That's when we're actually listening. So it's one of the things that I'll recommend to people who are traditionally religious. They go to your house of worship and listen for 15 minutes a day. Go in there and listen. What do you mean? That's prayer, listening prayer. Don't talk, listen. And you'll get the information you seek. And there's a ton of research on this. There's a ton of findings on this, that when people practice this kind of open channel listening prayer, mindfully right now, they get what they're looking for. They find, it's like, oh, oh. But if they don't, it's like, oh boy, I better keep making as many plans as I possibly can. No, no. You're actually closing off the channel information that you actually need to find what God's plan is for your life. Or if you don't believe in God, that where the divine revelation is not going to happen, where the cosmic information is actually not going to reach you, whatever language best suits your beliefs.

Speaker 1:
[15:22] Do you in your life right now know for sure God exists?

Speaker 2:
[15:29] Yeah. I mean, that can't be known in a scientific way. And as a scientist, that's a really interesting thing. If I were a specialist in Picasso, I could look at Picasso's painting and say, I'm sure that painting exists, but I can't find evidence that Picasso exists in that painting. Can't be done. You can't actually find evidence of the creator in the creation. You know, the Russian cosmonauts, you know, during the Soviet Union, when they were super atheistic, they used to say, you can point your telescope out into space and you won't see God. Well, of course not, because God isn't there. God is the creator of all these things. And that means that my technical way of understanding the creation is not going to get me closer to the creator. For that, I need faith, and that's a completely different technology, but it's complimentary. So here's the thing, what makes me a much better scientist is an appreciation for the creator of the science. I mean, the creation is amazing. It's amazing. It's just like my life is just like, I'm busting all the time. And it makes me so grateful to the creator, which about whom I know something on the basis of faith. And it's like a childlike faith too, by the way, because there's all sorts of ways I could say, yeah, but, yeah, but, yeah, but. And then I have to relax and say, yeah, but my faith tells me, my faith tells me that God exists and loves me. And he's creating all these wonderful things that I'm able to discover and bring to other people over the course of my life. I'm a better art historian because I believe in Picasso.

Speaker 1:
[17:08] So good. It's so incredible that someone who is one of the most famous and top researchers and experts and professors and authors and thought leaders and research driven people has such strong faith also.

Speaker 2:
[17:32] Yeah, I mean, as people will ask about that sometimes, and I have doubts like everybody else, and there's so many things that I don't actually know, but a lot of that comes down to decisions. You know, happiness and love aren't feelings, they're acts and commitments, and faith is a commitment as well. If I only practice my faith when I felt it, that'd be very occasional, you know. And it's funny because we have a lot of people who wonder about religious faith. They think I need to feel it, and then I need to have some beliefs, and then I'll have some practices. That's exactly the opposite. You need to practice, and then you'll have beliefs, and then occasionally you'll feel it. That's the right way to do it. That's the right way to live your marriage, too. You practice your marriage every day, no exceptions. It's like, I'm faithful to my marriage 99% of the time. Not good enough. You practice your marriage impeccably all the time. A lot of times you truly believe in your marriage, and then some wonderful days you truly feel your marriage. That's the way all beautiful things in life work. They're not about feeling, belief, practice. They're about practice, belief, feeling. And that's the decision that I actually make. People say, you have this strong, strong belief. Yeah, a lot, a lot. What I have is a bulletproof practice and occasional feeling. And that's good enough. That's more than good enough. That's the way I want to live.

Speaker 1:
[18:50] We need to pause for a super brief break. And while we do take a moment to share this episode with every single person that you know who this could inspire because this conversation can truly be the words and inspiration they need to hear today to keep going, to remember that they matter and to feel less alone and more enough, more connected, more inspired and more worthy. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams, you stay stuck at the level of your self worth. When you build your self worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you. In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self love, unlearn the lies that lead to self doubt and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness, overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more. Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step in to the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self doubt and unshakable self worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy. Who you spend time around is so important as energy is contagious and so is self belief. And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter. That's also a love letter to you, delivered straight to your inbox each and every Tuesday morning from me. If you haven't signed up to make sure that you get it each week, just go to jamiekernlima.com to make sure you're on the list, and you'll get your one-on-one with Jamie weekly newsletter and get ready to believe in you. If you're tired of hearing the bad news every single day and need some inspiration, some tips, tools, joy and love, hitting your inbox, I'm your girl. Subscribe at jamiekernlima.com or in the link in the show notes. Do you struggle with negative self-talk? Living with a constant mental narrative that you're not good enough is exhausting. I know because I spent most of my life in that habit. The words you say to yourself about yourself are so powerful. And when you learn to take control over your self-talk, it's life-changing. And I wanted to give you a free resource that I created for you if this is something that could benefit your life. It's called Five Ways to Overcome Negative Self-Talk and Build Self-Love. And it's a free how-to guide to overcome that negative self-talk, to build confidence and develop unshakable self-love so that you can dream big and keep going in the pursuit of your goals. Don't let self-sabotaging thoughts hinder your progress any longer. It's time to rewrite the script of your life, one filled with self-love, resilience and unwavering belief. If you're ready to take charge of your narrative, build unwavering confidence and empower yourself to persevere on the path to your dreams. You can grab your free guide to stop overthinking and learn to trust yourself at jamiekernlima.com/resources or click the link in the show notes below. And now more of this incredible conversation together. Do you think we all have or not all? Do you think you have an anointing?

Speaker 2:
[23:16] Do I believe in God as a plan for my life and I'm living it out? And the answer is, is that what you mean by an anointing? Do I believe that God put me in a particular place to do this?

Speaker 1:
[23:24] Where you access the ideas that you have, where you access the gifts, where you're able to articulate them and communicate them the way that you are, in a way that is digestible, that impacts people, that's novel in so many cases. The talent of teaching the top class at Harvard, of writing books, of explaining just in this conversation, the things you have touched on, on marriage, on meaning of life, on faith, on happiness are so profound, like all of that. Is that an anointing where that comes from? The gifts of not just understanding these concepts of the depth that you do, of not just having the intelligence to like wrap your mind around all the science and research, but then also the gift of being able to communicate it in a way that, you know, most people can understand.

Speaker 2:
[24:18] I appreciate the question because it's, it makes me feel like I'm, a lot of what I've tried to do in my life is coming to pass, that you would say that. I appreciate that. You have lifted up so many people and you have this incredible gift of doing that, of finding what people are good at and bringing it out of them and appreciating them for that. That's a charism that you have. That's why people love you, among other things, because you bring them to be their best selves and you're doing that to me right now. And I deeply love that. Appreciate that. There are many people in any parts of our lives that are individually better than what we do. And the bundle of the things that we do are together, stronger than any one of those particular strengths. So, I believe that, and I prayed about this a lot, that God wants me to explain the brilliant science that has largely been discovered by others. I've done a lot of scientific discovery in my own life. I've written a lot of academic papers, etc., etc. They were okay. But when I actually came to the part of my life where I was retailing ideas in a new way that I thought could actually touch people in a way that would really lift them up, then I was in the zone of the bundle of my abilities. And that's what people actually need to look for. You don't need to be the best at that one particular thing. You need to use all the things that you have in service of the divine and others maximally. That's the goal. It's like, Lord, use my talents. Use my talents. Do you feel the same way? Do you feel the same way about your own? Because people would look at you and say, Jamie Kern Lima is, she's anointed. She's anointed in this particular way. But then the question is, how do you define the anointing? What is the magic? Tell me the magic of why things have gone so well for you.

Speaker 1:
[26:09] So I have a question really quick.

Speaker 2:
[26:11] You didn't answer my question, Jamie.

Speaker 1:
[26:13] No, I will. It's interesting because you do the same thing I do. You try to make it about the other person. That's so fascinating. It's probably why you know so much because you study so many people, right?

Speaker 2:
[26:24] I study people, but I'm committing my life to studying people in a spirit of love and not just a spirit of intellectual inquiry. You and I are human beings. You and I are human beings, spiritual beings that are having this experience right now. We don't want to miss that.

Speaker 1:
[26:40] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[26:41] Right?

Speaker 1:
[26:42] Yeah. No, I think we all have an anointing. If we can get in that zone of what it is. And I think when we're in it, it feels so right, like flow.

Speaker 2:
[27:01] That's a right brain experience, by the way. When you're doing something and it just feels right, it means you're in the right hemisphere of your brain. When it feels profound, even if it's trivial in the world's terms, you're out working in your garden and you're planting peas and that looks trivial, but it feels profound and means you're right side of your brain. When something moves you and you can't explain why, you're in the right side of your brain. You're having a meaning experience, right? That's how you know. It's like, why? Why did that move you? I don't know. It's a train whistle at night from our shared hometown. It's the smell of rain. It's a song you once knew. It's something, and that means that there's something about it, that you're being delivered this grace of this experience of meaning. And that's how you know. And the way to kill that is, I don't know, go online. The way to kill that is to use the left side of your brain in a time when your right side is really supposed to be turned on. So you believe that you have this anointing, because we all do. And it's this comprehensive set of abilities to connect with other people in a particular way. You set up your company because you wanted to help people. You didn't set up your company just like, I want to sell it to L'Oreal. No. I know this is a part of your story. Literally, there was a problem that people had that you wanted to solve that women had all over the place, right?

Speaker 1:
[28:26] Yeah. And I believe also that our lives are divinely orchestrated. I believe our steps are ordered, even when they don't make sense. Like when I think about, I ended up doing a QVC when you go live. Most people who go live on air, they're getting your sales data in real time, and you have to hit $10,000 a minute to get airtime, otherwise you're gone and Apple iPhone is on, or Dyson vacuum is on, or whatever product will hit. And I'll never forget the first time I ever went on air, and I took this huge risk. I'm like, let me just do everything that people said wouldn't work, but that I feel, like when I pray, I feel like this is what I'm supposed to do. This is how I'm supposed to do it. And we sold out that time. But every time I ended up going back on, I realized, oh, most people never come back because it's really hard to hit their sales goal. And after doing, I spent eight years doing a thousand live shows on QVC. So it sold over a billion dollars in product, just straight to a camera, just it. And I look at that and like, oh, in those moments of going on air, you know by the second, if what you're saying is connecting with people, you know if they're responding because in real time, they're either ordering on their cell phone or they're dialing calling in or they're ordering online. And when I would get off of an airing, whether it was like an eight minute one or a one hour, or eventually we were doing three hour shows at a time. And sometimes I'd walk in the building and not leave for 36 hours because we'd be on multiple times. It was a wild eight years. But what was fascinating is that I would get off air and then, you know, my team or my husband who'd be in the green room could tell you by the second what worked or what didn't. But also when you're live presenting a product, and if it's, if what you're saying isn't working, they'll cut your time, right? Live on the air. Like, so you're in this space of constant feedback of is what you're saying. Does that matter to someone at home? Is it, are they feeling like it's for them? And the only reason I'm saying this is because, you know, my whole life, I used to watch Oprah in my living room, right? And I always had this weird sense I'd meet her one day, but I always felt like one day I want to share other people's stories with the world. I want to have kind of a talk show like that. And I go, when I look back and I think about the idea that our lives are divinely orchestrated, or that our steps are ordered, I really feel like when I went through that journey of eight years of doing over a thousand of TVC shows and understanding how to connect with somebody at home, that in that moment, in that season, my hope was that the product they got home impacted their life, or that they saw me using real people of every age and shape and size and skin tone and skin challenge. And even if they didn't buy anything, my hope was that they felt like, oh, they're a beautiful model.

Speaker 2:
[31:18] That was your objective.

Speaker 1:
[31:19] It was the objective.

Speaker 2:
[31:20] It was like, don't get to $10,000. That wasn't your objective.

Speaker 1:
[31:22] No, no, no, no. And then, but then I look at like, oh, wow. Now, having the blessing of having this conversation with you, I feel like even that going through eight years of the reps of that, it wasn't for that. It was for like, okay, how now, how can I somehow be of service to someone at home who needs to, who's feeling not hopeful right now, or down, or lost, or their child is, or their friend is. And now, they're going to hear about The Meaning of Your Life, by Arthur C. Brooks, because they're tuning into the show, because I'm blessed enough to have a show, because in part put in all those reps of even learning how to connect with people at home.

Speaker 2:
[32:13] If this were, if you stop doing that, if you started doing it for the worldly success, do you believe that the anointing would be withdrawn?

Speaker 1:
[32:22] I think people would, now I have words for it because of you, because of you. I think if I were doing it for the wrong intentions, people would hear this show with the left side of their brain. I think-

Speaker 2:
[32:34] It would just be like another show.

Speaker 1:
[32:37] Another show with information. I think in this conversation, there's so many moments in this conversation where I feel like I'm in the right side of my brain. Earlier, when we first started this conversation, and you talked about your wife and your marriage, your eyes started sparkling, and it was almost like I was watching the right side of your brain. Now, I have words for it, is that when we are doing something with that intention, or with the intention of love, that that's what people are feeling. And so, oh, that's so good, Arthur. I'm having such a big aha moment, because I think about why was it that, because there's tens of thousands of people at Gwanae and QVC every week, all of them never get invited back. And it was like, oh, why were so many times working? It's because you're in that intention of love and of caring about the person at home, and so then they're feeling something, so then they're not gonna change the channel.

Speaker 2:
[33:31] Yes, exactly right. You wanted this for them. I want this for you. If this is right for you, I'm bringing it to you. It was about them. You were transcending yourself.

Speaker 1:
[33:41] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[33:41] And it's hard to transcend yourself on QVC. I mean, it's like, it's a very distracting environment for sure, but you've got the reps to actually love these ideas into existence in other people's lives, and you're doing the same thing. You're doing the same thing right now. You're doing the same thing with me right now, and all the people who are watching us right now, and that's what we can all do. I believe we're destined for that. Everybody watching us is destined to find the meaning of their life, and the way that they're going to do that is by loving ideas into existence in the lives of other people, and using the talents that they've been divinely given.

Speaker 1:
[34:12] This conversation is so life-changing. I mean, just the takeaways from this, there are so many and so many areas. I'm going to leave this show, I'm going to leave our conversation, and I'm literally going to be so much more present, and I'm going to catch myself when I'm living in the future or in the, whatever, like I'm robbing the existence of love right now, because you can only love in the present. That is huge, like that is huge. And also, I think so many people are like, what's the meaning of life? I have this career and I have my 2.5 kids, and I have whatever, whatever, whatever, why am I lost? Just there's, you talk about so many tools in here and so many answers, as you said, because if a book has one answer, not everyone's going to connect. You have so many answers, which is why I know the meaning of your life. Arthur Brooks' new book is going to be so, it's going to resonate with almost every person. No matter what space, no matter their age, no matter their time in life, you work with a lot of college age or younger kids. You talk about a lot of data on age 30 or under, but also there's a lot in here for everyone over 30, and for the season in their life that they're in. I think just the tools that you give in The Meaning of Your Life and your new book are gonna be so life changing. I was sitting at a dinner with my husband, and I was hearing this guy on his phone, and I looked over, and he was in his 70s or 80s, and he was voice texting, chat, GPT, a question. And I'm like, wow, if that's happening right now, that quickly, everything is gonna change, and it's addicting, and it numbs all of our stuff, and just and, and, and, and yet we're running around going, why am I not happy? I have everything, why am I not happy? Why am I not fulfilled?

Speaker 2:
[35:59] That's what a lot of young people will say. I have everything and I feel nothing.

Speaker 1:
[36:02] Yes, yes.

Speaker 2:
[36:04] Yeah, and that's what's missing. I mean, that's what's missing. You can be, you can store up your riches on the left side of your brain and be bereft of what you truly need on the right. And, and there's a way that we can actually get back to that. We can rebel against it in a really healthy and a beautiful way. And within kindness and love and the relationships that we're building with other people and the experiences that we're having in the marvels of this real world that we're having around us right now. This is life changing. It's been, I'm working on it myself. I'm imperfect. But it's the book that I needed, actually. It's the book that I needed to understand the why of my own life. And I hope it'll help a lot of other people as well.

Speaker 1:
[36:45] Get your copy of The Meaning of Your Life. It's out right now. Grab it anywhere. Books are sold. Download it on Audible. There's also, and we're going to link to all of this in the show notes as well. But Arthur, can you share a couple of the resources you have? Because right now people can hop on. And you have to come back because there's so much I want to talk about. I want to talk about the happiness about, there's so much I want to talk about. So we'll hopefully do it again.

Speaker 2:
[37:15] I would love it.

Speaker 1:
[37:16] And so much fun. But right now, I want people to hop on. And I know you have some quizzes where people can figure out, which of the four am I? Or where am I in my journey toward meaning or toward happiness? So where's the best place for everyone to go?

Speaker 2:
[37:33] I have a website that has all these resources. They can take a little video workshop. They can take all the tests to find where they are in their journey, how they can make progress, whether happiness or unhappiness is a greater challenge in their life. And that's it. My website, arthurbrooks.com. Lots of tools, lots of all kinds of tests, and a lot of stuff to read and videos to watch and all sorts of fun on there.

Speaker 1:
[37:56] Amazing. Thank you. Thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 2:
[37:59] Thank you, Jamie. Thank you for what you're bringing to the world. I appreciate it. One beautiful thing after another.

Speaker 1:
[38:05] Same. Arthur Brooks.

Speaker 3:
[38:09] Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1:
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